C.D.C. Gives New Guidelines, New York to Close Restaurants and Schools and Italian Deaths Rise

The Federal Reserve cuts rates. The pandemic dominates the Democratic debate. And Germany imposes border restrictions.

Comments: 319

  1. I was shocked this morning to see on tv the unbelievably long lines of passengers at O'Hare waiting to be screened by health workers for signs of CV - I'm sure the scene was the same at all the other airports in the country designated to screen passengers arriving on flights from Europe (often more than one at the same time). 6 hours in line, thousands of people shoulder to shoulder, not yet tested and nobody even wearing a protective mask. If this isn't the optimum way to spread the contagion, I don't know what is.

  2. @M. Imberti This is federal malfeasance in it's extreme. Clearly.... zero planing and preparation ahead of Trumps "surprise" jump out from behind a rock announcements and executive order. There are reports of TSA agents demanding people nudge closer together as the long lines form. /facepalm Any American abroad right now is probably better sitting tight wherever they may be, if possible. Movement right now, by any from of public transportation, particularly air travel is putting your life at risk. Shelter in place, because the US airport arrivals are a COVID-19 petri dish right now.

  3. @M. Imberti Yes. Crowd people in long lines before they get onto the plane. Then crowd them in economy seats while they are flying.

  4. @M. Imberti All that wait and then for what testing: A body temperature? No virus tests to be performed in a lab? Those persons packed in line may be asymptomatic for COVID-19 yet they are spreading airborne virus.

  5. We are witnessing a historic global disaster unfold and, in all likelihood, the worst is yet to come. Loss of life, livelihood, leisure, all at the same time, is unprecedented. Very sad times for humankind.

  6. I’ve had enough of witnessing global disasters caused directly or indirectly by the actions of a small handful of global billionaire families and organizations who now control everything. One disaster after another. One crisis after another. One war after another. All for what? Their personal profit, power and control. That’s grand-scale psychopathy, my friends, and we are the victims of their chaos and greed. To name a few: Murdochs Mitch McConnell’s Republican Party Trumps Kirshners Koch Brothers Waltons Zuckerberg Bezos Al Saud Putin and oligarchs World “leaders” of fascists dictatorships, oligarchies and kleotocracies on every continent

  7. @JJ you aren't paying attention to the success in China and South Korea.

  8. 1. If Trump and his friends can be tested on the spot, why can't the rest of the public? 2. The first cases in US were reported two months ago. Why haven't testing kits been created and shipped to states yet? 3. LA's decision to open "family resources centers" would cause the same exposure/risk as schools (e.g. groups of people gathering and employees or volunteers). It doesn't make sense. Offering a drive through or pick up service might be a better option.

  9. @Hope The WHO offered testing kits at the end of January but America said no thank you. I guess America’s go it alone paid off!

  10. I wish NYT would keep its COVID-19 case and death count - both global and US - regularly updated. Worldometer is an excellent and very reliable source for Coronavirus updates by country. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/. Their latest count shows >162,000 global cases and >6,000 deaths, including 3,083/60 for the US.

  11. They are not testing live people in the US, as well as those who may have died from the virus. There are folks who died recently in the Kirkland Home facility who have not been tested. How crazy is that?!

  12. The buck stops at an empty desk.

  13. @Chuck Burton At which is seated an empty suit.

  14. Airports are a pandemic’s happy place. There are 1/3 less planes flying now, and only a small fraction from Europe & China. Sounds like we need a little plane rescheduling & some outdoor testing tents. And look anew at security checks, a 9/11 holdover. That was 20 years ago. The threat today is the line itself. Oops, wrong war!

  15. In a week I am due to fly Ireland to Miami then on to Austin the next day. Of course I won’t be going and will sadly miss a dear friend’s memorial service. When I posted on Facebook that I wasn’t coming, almost every friend in Austin (and it’s a lot of people!) phoned or texted me to ask “why? Are you sure?” When I explained it m asthmatic and an self isolating in Ireland at my house, they’re dumbfounded. “Just be careful and wash your hands!” One friend even thinks their vacation to visit me next month is “absolutely going to go on.” Oh my God. The Yanks are in denial. Susan Expat in Waterville

  16. @Susan Baughman Bless you. You are doing the right thing and acting responsibly. Airports and planes are centers of contagion, chaos, and confusion right now.

  17. In a week, your friend’s memorial service will be cancelled because the whole US will be on lockdown.

  18. @Susan Baughman It's not so much the Yanks (Northerners) but the Southern State religious yahoos who support Trump and watch Fox.

  19. NYT was very negative of China when it locked down a province including doubts if that was an effective strategy, and comments on its political system. Now that European democratic countries age locking down entire populations, the negative attitude is missing. I am not from China, or a China sympathiser. I just want unbiased coverage.

  20. Unfortunately here in SF, people aren’t appropriately practicing social distancing and don’t understand how if we don’t get ahead of this virus, we’ll become the next Wuhan or Italy. Healthy, young individuals may not show symptoms of the disease, but can easily spread it by being out and about partying w/ their friends. It’s totally irresponsible. The time is now for Newsom to shut down all non-essential businesses - at this point, we’re delaying the inevitable by not doing so. Why not start now to make sure we don’t overflow our hospitals & wreak even worse havoc on our economy ? For someone like me (young living with Cystic Fibrosis), seeing the selfishness of my peers & their lack of understanding on how their actions effect others is truly disheartening. Please, social distance now. It’ll save lives like mine.

  21. @Keith The same in happening in the Seattle area. Being young is not a get-out-of-disease-free card. We have an Emergency Room doctor in his 40s in critical condition. We can’t endanger the lives of our medical staff with a growing pandemic. My generation grew up with the draft; you could go to war in the Vietnamese jungle, where there were many ways to die or get maimed. This is a war now, and young people need to help fight it.

  22. At this point, being the next Wuhan would be best case scenario. We have completely squandered our time to prepare. The tsunami is upon us.

  23. @Keith Your comparison to Wuhan and Italy isn't correct. As soon as the first case was discovered in Italy, and we were thefrst in Europe, we started isolating the known clusters and testing all those who had come into contact. And we continue to do so. But in the other countries they had weeks' time to learn from China and Italy and to take action. Why didn't you do anything?

  24. This is typical of federal government leadership. What is important to this administration is the show, the big announcement, the positive spin that they are doing something “huge” or “strong.” There is little thought given to the actual efficacy of the decision and NO thought to secondary effects. Knowing that there was going to be a massive influx of travelers, where were all the federal personnel at the major international hubs? Where were the plans to divert passengers to large hangers, as open holding areas, so that in-processing could occur in an area, other than the confined spaces. Once again, the clown at the top was self-congratulatory about his swell idea and he reality is that we are worse off than before the closures as he has guaranteed that the virus was spread amount all returning passengers.

  25. @Paul Please differentiate between federal government leadership and the Trump administration. The latter has tried everything to emasculate the former.

  26. @Paul This is typical of the leadership of the Trump administration, not necessarily of the federal government as a whole.

  27. The hours long wait to be screened at the airport: Yet another poorly handled measure by Trump and Pence. Seemingly, all Trump can do is criticize Obama! Pence has shown he is also in over his head.

  28. @Dave It does appear that it doesn't take much to get both of them in over their head.

  29. @Dave No, no, Trump says the screening is “precise” (whatever that means).

  30. @Dave: Trump and Pence should both get out of the way and let #3 in the line of succession succeed.

  31. A 5x increase in one week. Gulp.

  32. Is there absolutely nothing that the current administration can’t mismanage? Asking people to wait in lines for hours at the airport to endure a rudimentary screening, inadequately planned, inadequately staffed, is terrible on so many levels. It is bad public health and it is a cruel and inconsiderate way to treat people. What is wrong with these people?

  33. @Hope S. It is positively inhumane. I hope many of those people will commit to voting, donating and volunteering to oust Trump in November.

  34. @Hope S. What is wrong with these people ? Alot !

  35. What would you have done if you were in charge?

  36. Thank you NYT for this comprehensive and calm reporting -

  37. Too many people are not taking this seriously! I was at a Walmart in NH yesterday and two elderly workers at the register were saying that the media was hyping the virus and it was basically “fake news”! (No doubt they watch Fox “news”. ) Then the woman cashier started coughing with no covering of her mouth. Apparently, unless they aren’t seeing people falling dead in the streets, it’s all a hoax. I’m an elderly woman who lives alone, with my six dogs. Fortunately, I now have everything we need to self-isolate for six months. I also have many acres of land to walk around. But what about people in the cities, so close together on the streets? I’m afraid there are going to be many,many depressed people in America. My biggest fear is if we lose power.

  38. @NMS - What do the homeless do?

  39. @NMS As an elderly woman with a dog, my fear is falling ill/dead and nobody checking for a couple/few days. Sorry to say it but my pooch has full access to enough food to last a month...goes without saying why, right?

  40. @jahnay Suffer more than ever.

  41. Of course there is chaos at the airports. The “stable genius” not only has a poor relationship with facts and expertise, he also does not understand the effects of throwing out a policy without first making sure that the agencies and people involved know exactly how it is supposed to work.

  42. Obviously, it’s the fault of the “very stupid” people trying to implement his half-baked commands.

  43. @MKlik Someone who has never flown commercial, let alone coach, in his life, and has always been ushered through VIP escort and access, has no clue about any of this...and couldn’t care less to learn.

  44. @MKlik We all know the "stable genius" is totally corrupt. I don't plan on obeying any new law he signs, as it will be designed to his benefit.

  45. As a nurse and health care policy consultant, I am disturbed as many are about skyrocketing numbers of cases here in the US and around the world. But while we have been inundated by the many messages from the CDC and the media to follow precautions, precious time has slipped away. Why are officials not saying, “STAY HOME!!”. With an incubation period of up to 5 days, numerous individuals are walking around spreading the virus. We need the following to do the following: 1. Massive increase in testing - as in South Korea this identifies cases which informs the population as well as public health officials to identify clusters and intensify containment. 2. Strategic immediate action to convert college dormitories, gymnasiums, vacant hotels (who’s traveling) to makeshift health care facilities. 3. STAY HOME!! STAY HOME!! STAY HOME!! We Americans think we are invincible/ in denial. If we don’t contain communities and large populations, we will be in the same place as Italy. Federal, state and local agencies need to impose regulations requiring all individuals to stay at home with the exception of necessary trips to stores/ pharmacies/gas stations. Italy doing this now but too late. We are still at the early part of the curve. Call in the medical Corp and bring in the military to assist.

  46. @K Girl, True. But ... Working people can’t afford to stay home. Even among those who feel sick, millions have no paid sick leave.

  47. I absolutely agree. As an example, the two school systems in our county decided to start back after spring break, tomorrow, because there had been no cases of Covid-19 in the county. The school board obviously is uninformed or misinformed. School kids staying home is not just about the kids and teachers, it is about the community. From the onset, the Trump administration’s minimal testing protocol was designed to determine the percentage of those who displayed symptoms similar to Covid-19 who actually were symptomatic of this specific viral infection. They did not ask the question of what percentage of those who are not symptomatic actually test positive. Thus, we have NO idea of the chances of a case existing in a population who would generally present as asymptomatic or experience mind symptoms. Because the administration decided not to find out, we have NO idea of the viral vectors in the general population. The only sane path now is to force people to stay home!

  48. @Wherever Hugo Too soon to make any such blanket statements. Have you studied epidemiology and epidemiological history much? If not....

  49. So, how many new cases will there be tracked back the hoards if folks in cramped quarters waiting to be screened? Unintended consequences are inevitable, but this Administration can’t conceive of any beyond one step away. We are at the mercy of a mind with limited faculties - especially when it involves more than the self.

  50. Similar risk has been created as panicky crowds flood markets to stock up on toilet paper et al. The people most afraid actually increased contact and risk. Self awareness and the 3-ft rule is the first line of defense, not hoarding.

  51. Yesterday, terminal 7 JFK I couldn’t find hand sanitizer offered anywhere. No one was wiping down the common eating areas. TSA was yelling exasperated at travelers for not standing close to each other. I told the agent some countries are mandating people stand apart and they told me “This is America.” In contrast, LAX has hand sanitizer posted everywhere with a sticker that says something to the effect of property of LAX airport. What are airports required to do to ensure their employees and travelers are safe? (Especially, JFK??)

  52. @Abb Of course, we are forbidden to bring our own hand sanitizer on an airplane because it is supposedly a liquid. How liquids are a terrorist threat has never been explained.

  53. @Jonathan Katz - :) You don't watch MacGyver.

  54. "The Plague" by Albert Camus comes to mind. I hope this exponential growth does not continue.

  55. I think articles, like the one in today’s paper about how a lab in Boston is mapping the spread of Coronavirus, are tremendously helpful and uplifting. It is now clear to me that without the intervention of the US Armed Forces to implement and plan, and private industry to help think, we will be in a real pickle. The federal, state and local governments have failed at every turn. I would like to hear about the private companies that are helping. And not the drivel that Walmart is giving us a piece of their parking lot. Real journalism about important companies and specifics as to how they are going to get us out of this mess.

  56. The Armed Forces are also part of government, no? But I do agree that some private entities are also doing more to help than the federal government in particular, starting with the NBA as the first the make us realize that what was unimaginable is urgently necessary.

  57. @Retired Hard Worker - Locally, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have been working on a free home testing kit. Amazon has agreed to deliver/pickup to the UW lab for testing in hours (for free). Amazon also ponied up a few million to bail out all of the neighborhood businesses that are empty since 15,000 employees were told to stay home. And our very vocal city-council woman Kshama Sawant has been calling for a moratorium on evictions during this crisis.

  58. Other countries should ban travelers from the U.S.. The lack of testing and the denialism practiced by the Federal government (along with the general hostility to science and reality of Trump and his administration) means that there is likely a hidden tsunami of infections in the American community. Until the American medical industry stops working out how to make a profit out of the situation (designing their own test…which didn't work) and follows the practices of other nations that have controlled infection rates by mass testing and backtracking, it's just too risky for other countries to rely on American assurances of their own infallibility.

  59. @casbott Nobody should travel anywhere. Everybody should hunker down at home for 1 month. Stay 6 feet from everybody. Read a long book and drink some wine. Otherwise the toll will be staggering...... oops too late!

  60. Dr. Luciana Borio, May 7, 2018 (White House - Director for Medical and Biodefense Preparedness): “The threat of pandemic flu is our number one health security concern. We know that it cannot be stopped at the border.” May 8, 2018: Trump fired Dr. Luciana Borio, by closing her White House unit “Medical and Biodefense Preparedness”, which is part of the National Security Council.

  61. @I Gadfly Collect the facts: a more than serious postmortem, a very public one, must and will be had if/when things settle.

  62. @I Gadfly This campaign ad writes itself, and I hope someone uses it against Trump. If his administration had taken public health more seriously and reacted appropriately during the optimal window of time, this crisis could have been blunted dramatically.

  63. @I Gadfly Typical move by Republicans like Trump and Bolton who know nothing about science or health and could care less. Of course they would get rid of Medical Biodefense Preparedness since they wanted the money for their large tax cuts for the wealthy.

  64. “I don’t take responsibility at all,” for the testing lag, - President Donald J. Trump.

  65. @Tom S. If the Dems don't make this a a commercial and flood the airwaves...they deserve to lose. In fact, the opposite could be a tagline for the campaigns going forward. "I do and I will take responsibility!"

  66. @Tom S. It doesn't matter if he admits fault. The majority of voters will assign the blame him and his sycophant sidekick, Pence.

  67. Courses offered in Trump University’s The School of Management Leadership 101: Don’t take responsibility for anything Leadership 102: If something goes wrong, blame your subordinates

  68. I am baffled that the USA is not a restricted travel zone in your map. It’s one of the worst place to be right now on earth. Yet, no travel restriction. Kind of weird patriotism...

  69. Many in Canada are asking for our border to be shut down. The USA is now a stew pot of virus transmitters with no real coordination.

  70. @James Here in Montreal as of today basically everything a tourist might want to experience or visit, including bars, has been shut. So Americans can only really shop in our grocery stores and stare at the river. This will be similar across the country in the next day or two. If we don't shut our border, we can shut everything else of interest!

  71. @Marc Peloquin American exceptionalism at its worse.

  72. The sudden implementation Of the 2017 Muslim ban I've seen this movie Dr. Strangelove Leadership . A comedy

  73. President Trump, help!

  74. Is this a joke? No, there’s no one home. its a fake. It’s not a fake. Its a National emergency but there’s no test kits. DJT tests negative but he could bd carrying the virus as a host. The Stain is lost and has been for most of his life.

  75. Can't. Unable. Operating with SEVERELY diminished mental capacity. Too bad it took an international emergency for the rest of us with more than two brain cells to rub together to realize it.

  76. He "doesn't know" or "is not responsible" for that.

  77. Now the inept and selfish attitude of the last 3 years has come to roost. More spreading of it will probably come from packing in the returning travelers abiding by the stupid law enacted. Relying on our governor who is brilliant.

  78. And we are supposed to believe trump’s doctor because...?

  79. @Okbyme - In trumpworld up is down and positive is negative.

  80. I mean... but tbh who really cares about Trump? Let his doctor pretend Trump is healthy. Who cares?

  81. @Misplaced Modifier If he actually is positive and spreads it around to lots of other people who then do the same, then we should all care.

  82. “No, Sir, we can’t fire a nuke at it.”

  83. America looks like a failed state me.

  84. @Nacho what do you call Italy? and Spain? and France? and Germany? is China a failed state with 80k infected?

  85. @Nacho What do you mean? "Looks like"???

  86. @Julio Those are called 'fairly well-managed' with this virus. Imagine what it will look like in the US in the coming months with its determined non-management. 'Failed state' is correct. 'Tragic' might be better given the superb resources that have been sidelined or crippled by this administration.

  87. Packed, like cattle, into arrivals at U.S. Customs with virus-carriers of every description . . . No escape. Try it and you’ll be handcuffed and thrown in jail. Lots bought tickets based on the President’s inaccurate and misleading statements . . . MAGA!!!!!!!!

  88. Sorry you listened to tRUMP. Perhaps you might consider voicing your complaint at the polls on November 3rd.

  89. Otherwise known as lies.

  90. Trump’s solution to any problem is to deny it, then lay blame for it, then lay a heavy hand on it — all the while keeping up front his insatiable ego and his bottom line. I don’t even understand what kind of screening they are doing at airports. Asking people if they feel sick? That won’t test for CV. South Korea has the solution. The US is leagues behind. What a disgrace.

  91. Yeah, but we’re the BEST disgrace! U.S.A. etc...

  92. @Jerry Engelbach And soon to be a monumental travesty.

  93. @Jerry Engelbach Interesting to see which form of health care will wade through this mess the best.

  94. “Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!” Dr. Peter Venkman Stay in your houses, clean up, be quiet for a while.

  95. If we were in a socialist country, a true socialist country the fear mongering, panic, and ineptitude would be zero to nothing! But we're in the land of the slave and greed where president IQ45 hasn't a clue. In 2016 scientists were working on a cure for the Coronavirus, but it wasn't profitable! Profit over people! Capitalism and vampirism!

  96. @Buck Tex Nosferatu bravo, exactly correct, they thought about the money and the stocks first, and just now are trying to get around to protecting the human beings!

  97. @Buck Tex Nosferatu The first mention of corona virus I read was in December of 2019 following the virus's emergence in the largest self-identified socialist country in the world: the People's Republic of China. Please tell me where you discovered that the virus existed in 2016?

  98. Wrong. We’d be lied to just like everywhere else just to keep the Socialist leadership in power. Try China, Russia, The Philippines for examples.

  99. @Bert Caris If in fact trump has made this request (and I have no reason to doubt the report) it will be viewed very negatively in Europe.

  100. @Bert Caris Trump must have invested in that company, its already out there he purposely delayed his response for profit of not only himself but American companies.

  101. @Bert Caris very little mention of that in US media. I imagine it'll stay that way. Nothing that paints us as "the bad guy" is ever published.

  102. Why not just add an additional and standard "Customs Declaration" that are filled out while still on the plane? The basic health questions could be asked, scanned by customs officials, and the forms held for record keeping.

  103. All airports should remain open and people should be given 30 days notice of closures and cancellations. Can you imagine having wait 4 hours in line during a national emergency. Testing should done door to door with results emailed in 12 hours, people should be able to track the progress of thier sample through the process online with text message updates. We also need to build and maintain several million staffed and supported hospital beds in case this happens again. 100's of millions of test kits for strains of viruses that have not yet presented need to be manufactured staged all over the country. Let's see I think I hit all the complaints presented in these comments.

  104. Waiting 30 days to close or cancel would make the whole exercise pointless as by that time the damage would be done. It is probably already too late. It has been clear since Lombardy was locked down and the Diamond Princess was quarantined that travel would be affected and should be wrapped up as quickly as possible. People have had plenty of time to exercise caution and get home. Waiting many hours is unfortunate but on the scale of things not that great a hardship. I do sympathize with those who really had to travel for work or study but not so much with folks who decided to take advantage of lower prices to go jaunting off on holiday.

  105. @Mkm In 10 days we have the number if cases Italy has.

  106. Trump stated he was waiving the interest on government held student loans. What isn't clear is he waving the accrual of interest or the payment of interest, or both? IMHO it should be both along with a suspension of principle payments.

  107. He probably doesn’t know, it just sounded good. No doubt his administration is scrambling to figure out how to make something happen that resembles what the President announced.

  108. @mlb4ever Lol. Trump has been spewing all sorts of unfounded, unsupported ideas. Don't act like your payments are still not due and in their full amount. Nothing has actually been enacted, nothing like this (lie) has been instituted. Stop relying on Trump for even a tissue...

  109. @Boregard Maybe not a tissue, certainly a roll of paper towels.

  110. I live in Illinois, and I am very concerned about the lack of action or even discussion regarding the upcoming primary on Tuesday. Living in Chicago, many of us ride public transportation to commute around the city, including to our polling stations. In a year when the election matters more than ever, why isn’t Illinois (and the other states with upcoming primaries) more concerned about the public health of its residents, and upholding our right to vote?

  111. @Mollie Novaria Excuse me for pointing out a clear reality. Has anybody in IL died from something that is positively identified as Covid-19??? I think the answer is No.

  112. @Mollie Novaria - You could have voted by mail.

  113. I think it is only a matter of time (days rather than weeks) before the EU states (including the UK now) will require that US residents who do not have an essential purpose for visiting Europe will be turned away at their borders. It is to be hoped that the decision is made sooner rather than later so that reasonable notice can be given to ensure that those wishing to travel before the deadline(s) do not suffer 3/5 hour delays at immigration. I can't imagine that intending visitors wearing a 'USA" cap with 'trump' on the back will receive treatment that could in any way be considered favourable. But you never know.

  114. This thought struck me today while reading about a pandemic doubter and thinking about social distancing: we all need old-fashioned pen pals. It would decrease isolation and increase our sense of connection. We are all in this together. And if we were to choose someone in a hot spot, it could help them to feel better and put us in an emotional space we may soon be all too familiar with. I’ve got my pal in France all set. Need one in Italy. And now to The computer to write.

  115. @Susan Reality Check if world came to a halt today life will go on . People tend to be best in worest of times . Hope everyone can find it to make time to help homeless an sick now. Look out side our lives at mother nature an care little more about wild life lives amoung us . Caring is our greatest in times of trouble.

  116. No reason not to do what you suggest and have a pen pal, too. Time we have aplenty.

  117. Looking at the photos of various airports crowded with people awaiting testing, it occurred to me that if most/all of them don't have the virus now, they could get it while waiting and herded together. I certainly don't want to be tested if I have to wait in a crowd of people.

  118. @Garagesaler Right. If you dont have the coronavirus when you get into the line, you'll surely have been exposed to it by the time you get to the end of the line. And if you are going to enter a crowded plane, then you have more possibility of exposure.

  119. Just landed in Greenville, SC in a fly from New York. I spent a week caring for my sister who had kidney surgery. I was in New Rochelle, NY. I was out running errands, my sister had a few visitors, and my nephew commutes to NYC by train. I was 2 miles away from containment zone in New Rochelle. No one in the Greenville airport stopped me for questions, I will stay home for 14 days out of responsibly for other citizens not because any one is making sure I do.

  120. @Under the Carolina's sun it's too late - nobody tested you in NY either - if you're carrying the coronavirus, you may have already spread it.

  121. @Under the Carolina's sun Thank you for doing your part, without being asked. I appreciate your sacrifice.

  122. Wonderful. So all these people who are returning from coronavirus hot zones are all packed together for hours in lines. I wonder if there were any older people, or those with pre-existing conditions, who were forced into this situation that was literally a threat to their lives. Which brings up the difficult question that I'm sure many are pondering: Why are we taking these draconian measures to ban all travel and "lock down" whole countries when it would be so much easier to isolate the specific part of the population that is primarily affected by this virus? Is it fair to ruin the economy for everyone, with many losing their jobs and businesses? Is it fair to put people, especially children, through the psychological trauma of extended isolation like this? Is it fair for students to have to have school cancelled indefinitely? This is not fair the the majority of the population who is not even made particularly ill by this virus! Why should everyone else sacrifice when it would be much easier for the elderly to be taken care of in isolation.

  123. This is currently the UK plan. We shall see.

  124. @Sara Sounds like the Tory party and Republicans. How do we know who would fall victim to the virus? There's young people in China who died.

  125. @Sara It is not just unfair. It is counterproductive to the very reduction being sought. All kinds of functioning infrastructure is needed during times of crisis in any country. Just ask Haiti, who had a primitive or even non-existent infrastructure at the time of their earthquake and who suffered greatly because of that. We need communications, transportation, working energy, currency flow, and so much more that we take for granted.

  126. So let me get this straight. The British Government first decides, in essence, that older citizens are expendable for the survival of the "herd." When called on this they "reverse" their position by declaring that older citizens need to be "protected" with total isolation, despite the fact that, being the ones most likely to display symptoms, they're the ones least likely to be asymptomatic carriers and therefore to endanger others. Michel Foucault was right.

  127. That is a misrepresentation. It is a sensible and proportionate approach to shield only those most at risk. The plan never was to leave the elderly to chance. We can’t close the country for months.

  128. @WOID Policies are implemented incrementaly. Something is done today, something else tomorrow. Not every adjustment is a 'reversal' - however feverish journalists may be feeling

  129. @Martin wanna bet?

  130. There's a Twitter photo making the rounds today showing huge crowds coming off international flights at O'Hare waiting 8 to10 hours to get screened, pick up their bags and go through customs. I would like to know what public official is responsible for tightly packing together huge numbers of people, some of whom are undoubtedly infected, for hours on end, when we're being told to practice social isolation. This is an abomination.

  131. No mobs, no health screenings on international arrivals here in Dallas today, but thin crowds have picked up in the last 6 hours I’ve been here.

  132. If DJT doesn't drop the facade and level with those who blindly place their trust in him, he will join the ranks of the worst leaders in the history of the world. The Absolute worst of them! DJT does not equal GOD, people who have shaded into that mistake are in need of understanding, sympathy and patience. He is causing deadly chaos and some of us are completely blind to it.

  133. Yesterday, France (NYT) reported that of their 300 serious cases of Coronavirus, 50 percent were among people under the age of forty. This may or not be a glitch in public health testing, but it does raise the question of the danger of this virus—across all age groups—not just seniors. The fact that the message thus far has been that those under the age of forty are pretty much immune to this illness has created a laissez-faire attitude among young people—who are continuing—at least in my community—to gather at clubs, bars, and music venues en masse—flaunting their so-called freedom to defy the rules of social distancing. I’m embarrassed to say that my own son has said to me that I am overreacting to the pandemic, and that he intends to live his life as usual. Young Italians now under quarantine in their country admit that they, too, ignored the warnings about social distancing until it was too late. Our young people need to listen and learn from their experience. We cannot trust young adults to act responsibly during this crisis—especially since the government’s message thus far has been one of dismissal. Two weeks of closing bars, clubs, and venues where large groups of young people gather could be the key to “flattening the curve” that Dr. Fauci repeatedly points to as the only way our health care system can be saved from collapse!

  134. @Angela Minton Yeah, no way is this "lock down" gonna work for more than a couple of days for young people especially. This is absurd to expect people to do this voluntarily. It is even psychologically traumatic for children, who are not even vulnerable to this illness. How is this fair ?? That is why I think it is only the elderly and others with obvious pre-existing conditions, who should be locked down instead of the rest of society. They should be the ones in isolation. The UK is already implementing this policy.

  135. @Angela Minton No one has said that those under the age of 40 are immune. They are merely less at risk, as a group, than the over 50. The complication risk increases with age. I read that something like half the population of Italy is elderly (70's to 90's). Hence the higher proportion of deaths there. Cruise ships are petrie dishes with lots of seniors. Nursing homes, the same.

  136. @Sara The UK has said that seniors are confined to their homes?

  137. Here’s a thought: Rather than stop and ask pointless questions of highly-aware people rushing to get home amid warnings to “social distance” and self-monitor, speed their way instead. Wouldn’t a piece of paper with warnings and advice serve the same purpose?

  138. I am sure the administration would have told us if 45’s test came back positive.

  139. @freeasabird - We'll know it was positive when Trump walks up and gives Pelosi a big hug.

  140. While I appreciate the airlines wanting to stay afloat, I don’t like how they’ve enticed my adult son to fly to Vegas for $20 to visit his extended family and friends there. He’s going despite the call for ‘social distancing’ because heck; why not? For $20? Airlines are undermining our efforts to slow this virus by offering rock-bottom fares.

  141. @Dorothy The hard reality is that these draconian restrictions are not going to work very long for anyone, much less young people. And it is absurd and cruel to hold them accountable for more than about a week. I suggest we emulate the more feasible realistic plan of the UK. The UK has decided not to implement draconian travel restrictions and lock-downs-- which they have wisely predicted will not work for long. The UK is instead being more targeted in its restrictions based on tracking known cases. Also, the UK will soon require those most vulnerable to the virus-- the elderly over 70 and those with obvious pre-existing conditions-- to isolate, while the rest of society can function and hopefully develop mass community immunity that will eventually protect all (hopefully in about 3-4 months). This is the ONLY way we can realistically overcome this because driving ourselves mad and ruining the world economy.

  142. @Dorothy: The rock-bottom prices helped us get our son out of NYC and home for the next few weeks. Without them, he would have been stuck there with no income (his college suspended all work-study jobs) and no way to feed himself. At least he's at home now, and if he gets sick, he's in a place where he'll have someone to look after him. There are advantages and disadvantages to everything.

  143. @Sara If you follow credible UK media, you'll find that the UK is already changing its strategy away from what you are proposing.

  144. Re the waits at airports, why not use cabin crew to pre-screen returning passengers while on route?

  145. When this Pandemic is under control, the Feds should make education on Risk Assessment mandatory. If any person wants to go on a Cruise, stay in another Country for a extended time, etc., they need to understand the good & bad of their decisions. We have had Pandemics in the past and this current one will not be the last. Take personal responsibility. What did all those persons arriving back here before the travel ban comes into effect expect? - flowers and a candy basket?

  146. @vince williams they expected a competent president and we have a joker in the white house. testing for a fever does very little. He needed to alert the airports before he made these decisions and worked out a plan to ease the people back into the country. Instead he created a panic. Trump created a panic when he held a press conference and said all flights and cargo from Europe were banned. People started to freak out then he clarified on twitter (he should have addressed the nation again) and he said I made a mistake cargo isn't banned and US citizen can get back in. He should have then had a plan on how.

  147. @lisa People "freaking out" and my President is responsible? Are you competent?

  148. None of us have anything to add to what has already been said and venting doesn't help.

  149. @RA LA - On the bright side of all of this coronavirus stuff - there has not been a mass shooting in what, 72 hours now?

  150. "Existential" has been bandied about to describe various difficulties, now though its original use by existential philosophers like Jean Paul Sartre truly applies: no exit from overwhelming threat to everyone, no safety in beliefs, authorities and institutions, no recourse in power, rank, obedience, indifference, prejudice or arrogance. Face up to limitations of being human all too human, mortality is here not distant, social distancing is absurdly hopeless. Have a nice day.

  151. The picture shows a perfect environment to spread contagious disease, if even one case is present. If no cases are present, then testing and screening accomplishes nothing. Either way, this policy is a mistake.

  152. Coronavirus is putting a test to authorities of all the countries who never care effective for the health of the people.

  153. NYPD and SLA should suspend enforcement of law prohibiting drinking outside of bars, to public areas adjacent to bars.

  154. Every time Trump steps to the podium to address the pandemic another episode of crisis, dysfunction and mass confusion ensues. I know he has demonstrated a unique ability when it comes to incompetence. But this distinct pattern created since he deployed Wilbur Ross as his designated spokesperson who pronounced "Deadly Virus Is Actually Great for America" argues that there is malign intent not just incompetence a foot. The speech Trump gave Wednesday evening that tanked the markets was rewritten at literally the last minute by Steven Miller after what passes for adults in the room these days had signed off on the text.

  155. @Mary Elizabeth Lease - Every time trump speaks more people become infected and the stock market drops further. Steven Miller is the worm in trump's brain.

  156. Bars and night clubs should definitely be shut down. Maybe not restaurants but there should be a curfew on restaurants and they should mandate that they only fill to partial capacity and increase the distance between tables. Buffets at Deli’s should be banned. Any businesses allowed to stay open should be required (perhaps with government assistance) to provide paid sick leave or else shut down.

  157. So, a number of public figures, especially politicians, have reported having tested positive for COVID-19. So, are they disproportionately exposed to the virus, or do they just have better access to testing than everyone else? Curious minds want to know about social inequality under the sign of Corona.

  158. Regarding those pictures of people wearing masks at the airports. As public health experts have repeatedly said that they are essentially worthless in protecting people from becoming infected with the coronavirus and should only be used by those who are sick to prevent their spreading disease, one can only assume that those wearing the masks fall into the latter group and believe they are already sick and are recklessly risking infecting others by traveling. Perhaps airlines should stop boarding passengers wearing masks as they are self identifying as being ill.

  159. There are apparently several days before symptoms when one can spread the virus. Only courteous to protect others.

  160. @Steve people wear masks that have a poor immune system

  161. Our “experts”. Experts in China mandate masks for all. So far, their experts have a better track record with Covid containment/mitigation. Just saying.

  162. It was the same on the 12th of March, 3 days. Maybe not as bad but even then, there were long lines, no social distancing and ZERO screening. No one thermal screened us, no one asked as about our symptoms, no questionnaires, no social tracking....nothing. we probably allowed in dozens of people with the virus and no ability to track them easily.

  163. Almost 40 years ago, Ronald Reagan uttered some of the most irresponsible and damaging words a president has ever uttered when he said, "Government isn't the solution to our problem; government IS the problem". Reagan was the spearhead of the anti-government, anti-common good, and anti-science malignancy that defines today's Republican Party. And now we are reaping the whirlwind of his virulent rhetoric, amplified and reinforced by years of right-wing propaganda and disinformation spewed 24/7 by Fox News and right-wing talk radio.

  164. @Larry M the more apt expression would be... "People aren't the solution to the problem, people are the problem."

  165. May they reap what they have sown. If a member of the GOP base loses both parents will they still blame Obama and deny science?

  166. @Larry M Right smack on the nose. Reagan really got that nonsense going, since he was the President. Goldwater gave him some help earlier, but it only resonated with a small minority at that time. It was a strategy embraced by right-wing Republicans (so-called "movement Republicans") and put into place for the long term through propaganda and a plan to take over state legislatures and the courts. It has worked, for the most part. Advisors such as Ed Rollins spotted an opening for garnering votes among the white working class by sly racial innuendo and the anti-education, anti-"elite" bias among many in the working and middle classes.

  167. There are also crowded stores with people neck and neck to one another. They are all buying the food and necessities that they feel are necessary for the possible long coronavirus outbreak that may occur. The check out lines do not have the three to six feet space between the customers. This is probably a coronavirus breakout just waiting to happen.

  168. The question must be asked given we are a nation that prizes individual responsibility so highly, "How could those standing in line today at airports thought that, in the face of what has been happening for more than two months now, traveling abroad for any reason was a reasonable idea?"

  169. On one hand, yes, those who made the decision to travel abroad recently should rethink their own choices before complaining. However, not all Americans returning from abroad left recently. For instance, some are American grad students doing advanced studies in the UK who have been there for months, if not longer, and whose term won’t end for a few more months. I feel bad for them as they made the decision to come home, be safe, while putting their futures on pause and yet have to deal with the migraine of our federal bureaucracy upon landing

  170. @John I can maybe understand tourists rushing to get the first flight out before waiting or rationally considering their options. After all, tourists don't have a home base abroad and they have to worry about rapidly changing hotel closures and travel bans. But if someone is already somewhat established in Europe, like long-term grad students who aren't even done with their term, why would they suddenly rush home under the circumstances instead of waiting it out? Or at least waiting for an update the next day to sort out the confusion? This is Europe, not some lawless perilous country. Likewise, the US would never be able to exclude citizens or legal residents, so a rational critically thinking person (I assume grad students would be) would not just jump to conclusions or accept anything Trump says on a whim. I just don't think it was a wise or rational move to flood the airports unnecessarily, putting health at risk.

  171. @Sara, totally agree. Unfortunately, irrational thinking seems to be prevalent at this time. I would also assume people would want to be closer to their families during stressful times. I only wanted to point out that we should be mindful of all the possible different situations behind individual circumstances before being quick to judge others. Be safe, stay healthy, be kind!

  172. Taiwan borders neighboring China and they only have 50 cases. Take notes America. Our government leaders were laxy daisy with this now we're all paying the price.

  173. Taiwan is a self contained Island that shares no land borders with China or any other nation.

  174. Taiwan is an island!

  175. @James Ward the UK has a lot of cases. Taiwan did something right.

  176. I remain confidant that the 3 Stooges, trump, Pence and Kushner have done harm.

  177. @Technic Ally The three stooges had talent. The three you reference as stooges have none.

  178. Just saw Fauci on CNN and he refused to answer the question about DJT’s lie about the Google website. He kept saying everything will be better next week, next week, next week. How come South Korea is doing a better job than the USA? You can tell he’s trying very hard to thread the needle of pleasing DJT and telling the truth. He also said touching the microphone “was not that bad”. Unbelievable. Dr Fauci: PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH.

  179. It is for the greater good that Fauci keep his job so he has a tight rope to walk.

  180. @MB Still not as bad as the ACA website rollout.

  181. @MB Dr. Fauci is being forthright about the facts of this contagion and the pandemic it has spawned. He does not need to be drawn into politics or be asked to constantly weigh in on Trumps particular inanity and insanity. He can't fix that problem, and its to his credit that he sticks to the issues of this public health emergency. Leave off of the flailing, tangential criticism of one of the few actors in the saga whose judgement and we should be supporting.

  182. Here’s the latest insidious and selfish ploy by Trump. According to ‘Welt am Sonntag’ he is offering large sums of money to German scientists working for the German based company CureVac to secure exclusive rights to their work, to secure the vaccine for Americans ONLY. With the world in what can only be described as a grim situation this egomaniacal stratagem is abhorrent – but sadly, par for the course.

  183. @Jazzie Worth pointing out, though, that Germany tried to block deliveries of respirators etc, ordered by Switzerland from China and arriving at the port of Hamburg. Eventually, after much protest, they reluctantly send it on to the Swiss. With friends like these..

  184. @Crista, That is indeed sad to hear and I am sure will not be a singular occurrence; I have read of similar situations. I have commented elsewhere that this is a ‘War’ on Covid-19 and we must all pull together. That is really my point – we have to treat this like the existential threat it is.

  185. @Crista Source? I'm not able to verify your claim and it sounds strange.

  186. Don’t panic folks, a former reality TV star is in charge! MAGA

  187. Incompetence or malign intent? Stephen Miller is the last man alone with Trump before he gives a speech that created the largest single day loss in the markets in nearly a century. "The hastily drafted 10-minute speech had undergone last-minute edits from the president and one of his senior advisers, Stephen Miller, after other aides had left the room, one of the people said. "Among the changes they made: deleting a sentence where Trump said he and Melania were sending their prayers and love to people suffering from the illness. "The final draft that aides loaded into TelePrompter contained two significant factual errors and Trump himself inadvertently added another by mixing up his words." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/inside-the-oval-office-a-fierce-fight-over-trump-s-virus-speech

  188. So, what if you fail a screening at the airport? Say you have a temp or admit you've been to Italy. Then what? Do they escort you to a tent in the parking lot and swab your nose and mouth? We're in uncharted waters here, folks.

  189. @MarcosDean I asked myself that yesterday when departing a flight from Spain-what is the consequence if one is afflicted...

  190. Meanwhile, instead of using his social media platform to educate the public, Mr. Trump is littering the internet with a stream of all-caps ramblings and out-of-touch photos of white people in suits, touting deluded leadership. Looks like America may 45’s next Atlantic City casino project.

  191. In Iran too, people are not well and we need the help of other countries. I hope things calm down again.

  192. I hope you get it soon. Something tells me it won’t be the US. Trump has been trying to buy German research and move it to the USA for the exclusive use of Americans. A truly unpleasant man.

  193. "Councilman Mark D. Levine, a Manhattan Democrat, tweeted. “Today must be the day we move to #ShutDownNYC.” So then the rumors of the city lock down are true? Or just how the Democrats plan to deal with this? NYC on lock down. Not only a movie plot now.

  194. @AutumnLeaf Most effective plan? Close everything except hospitals and clinics with a triage system, groceries with gatekeeping and pharmacies on drive thru. Summer-scale food services for displaced students and families. Restaurants pickup only. Most everything else can wait. We can do this.

  195. @JP How about this for the most effective plan: isolate the elderly and otherwise vulnerable, and "summer scale" food services for them.

  196. Funny that the media believe that Trump‘s test result - which took much less time than for others - says no infection. How many lies are usually contained in his statements or the WH press releases? Let’s hope that this is true and not an „ alternative fact“... Do you believe anyone would have the backbone to give him negative news on this topic? Mnuchin and Pence do not even have the guts to admit that Trump‘s first address to the nation on Corona was full of mistakes...

  197. @Sina I would say the media do not believe him. They are just reporting the lie, you be the judge.

  198. @Sina We’ll see if it was true in the next few days. Viruses don’t listen to written or spoken communications.

  199. @Sina The positive result is only as good as his last handshake and close interaction.

  200. A long line isn't "chaos." Sensational headlines are counterproductive.

  201. A long line IS chaos in a small space in the middle of a pandemic. A long line, a 7 hour wait, to proceed through a bureaucratic process is not chaos, agreed, it is abysmal systems design and management.

  202. @B. It was federal customs chaos that caused the long lines and extraordinary delays. You’re right to point out that the victims of the chaos reacted calmly.

  203. @B. You don't think it's chaos cramming thousands of people into tight areas for hours--exactly the wrong thing to do when you want social distancing?

  204. Maybe if we didn't have so many ICE personnel rounding up immigrants in sanctuary cities they could have assisted with the airport crowds that resulted from President ("I don't take any responsibility" "It's not our fault") Trump's precipitous and poorly conceived announcement on travel restrictions. This is administration has been bumbling and inept from Day One but GOP apologists have been covering like crazy. Well, Fox, Limbaugh, McConnell, McCarthy, Graham, et. al., good luck covering up COVID 19.

  205. @Frank CBP handles airport immigration, not ICE.

  206. @Seatant I kept hearing "All hands on deck" and they are federal agents so...

  207. To all I suggest you stay current on what is happening in China and South Korea...the virus appears by all measures to have plateaued and may even be subsiding. It is curious to still see comments that suggest the authors have only in the last 24 hours tumbled to what is happening in the wider world. To you I suggest you find current reporting on China and South Korea.

  208. @Mary Elizabeth Lease The JHU data page is a great resource. Remember though, that we can expect to replicate results only if we take the same actions. China (eventually) locked down and built and commandeered wards. SK had extensive tracking and data sharing systems down to the neighborhood. We are about to have the annual flu rebound, this virus will likely have one, possibly a second.

  209. @pewter China didn't implement their lock down until many thought it was "way too late" and it appears it was in the nick of time. The overhanging concern is the moving target of reinfection of those thought to be cured. We still are on the bad side of the learning curve.

  210. the information being presented in terms of new cases, total cases, and outcomes is woefully incomplete - and a big part of that is the absence of testing. part of that is related to trump's broken promise of test kits for anybody who needs to be tested - as amended by members of the administration. he already stated that he doesn't want to see big numbers and slowing the distribution of test kits is one way to keep them down. published statistics suggest that US cases of about 10 per million of population are not true - most other countries have cases per million on the range of 60 to 300 with many around 150-160. as a result, the number of cases is likely understated by an enormous number. there have been many comments from governors and others on this morning's tv and radio broadcasts. i won't repeat the numbers as they are also probably inaccurate and very scary. if it's 150, we are ultimately looking at 45,000 cases - not the approximately 3,000 that have been reported. our government must be honest with us. i have no confidence that will happen under trump. he isn't responsible for the coronavirus, but he is responsible to protect us and lying hurts us. even lies of omission. they're still lies. thanks to state and local governments for taking tough steps to slow the spread of the virus. now let's get the truth along with test kits.

  211. @Steve Ell do you mean Trump and Pence telling the truth? After more than 16,000 lies in the last 3 years!

  212. Meanwhile, Trump, the endless loop of stupidity, tweets that he is “watching a great and beautiful service by Pastor Jentezen Franklin”. In other words, the idiot that dare not speak its name is so moved during his sacred and holy contemplation that he can’t resist the temptation to engage in anti-social media in the midst of it. So much for the Ides of March “national day of prayer”. God help us one and all!

  213. I’m sure trump has time today for a couple of rounds of golf and a fundraiser or two.

  214. And two rallies.

  215. @Joe Based on how he looked this evening, I don't think he feels well enough to golf.

  216. "Trump tested negative." I know -- uh, oh, you mean the virus? Who says?

  217. @Wolfgang Krug Yesterday someone wrote: "trump's virus test will be written up in the medical journals as the first recorded case of a virus rejecting its host." Frankly, despite what they lie about, he looks unwell.

  218. @Wolfgang Krug But, Covfefevirus-45 is still active.

  219. @Wolfgang Krug I'm guessing he waited to take 'the test' until whatever Very Excellent Antivirals (available only to royalty) he is on had taken effect . . . .

  220. When the President and his cronies drain the so called swamp and appoint unqualified loyalists, why expect a government that works. We are officially a Banana Republic and the King has no clothes. Nothing new here. History proves this MO doesn’t work.

  221. @Tim Craven Yes, let us just try to count up how many people in the Administration have appointments as an "Acting" Such-and-Such. They haven't been in their positions long in a revolving-door administration, generally would have hard times taking stock of how to respond quickly when they lack social networks within their organizations, and in some cases may lack authority to take action. People say this is not the time to be pointing fingers. But it is the time, at moments when situations are clear, to point out issues about structural and administrative inadequacies that can be assessed later.

  222. @John California : As Trump makes his way through the 3rd and 4th appointees to many critical positions, the level of competence, experience and professionalism has dwindled to the point where it's now amateur hour.

  223. @John California - They are reaching into the bottom of the barrel.

  224. please check out the response from Minnesota Governor Tim Walz today on school closures a planning. An impressive model for how government should work! There is a well thought out plan, not alarmist, and created with input from many agencies to take into account various educational, health, and workforce impacts. For example, when schools close next week they will still provide childcare for children of nurses and first responders. There are many other examples in the planning and execution of how to do things right---especially in comparison to the federal response. So proud to be in Minnesota.

  225. Here in Central NJ, school trips were cancelled ahead of time in anticipation of things getting worse, a week ago. Remote learning capability was quickly added. Kids without laptops were provided with chromebooks. And families in low income groups were directed to Comcast’s $10/month internet connections ( based on income). Proud to be in a blue state!

  226. Governor Andrew Cuomo is currently holding a press conference and is saying we should not start the blame game now. We must wait until this catastrophe is over before pointing fingers at one another. Then we can start talking about what should and should not have been done. I am no fan of Governor Cuomo but he has been level headed and a very good governor at this very trying time. He has ordered many tests and other precautions that must be taken to reduce this virus. We should all be listening to him and follow his advice. He has some excellent ideas that must be followed for our safety.

  227. @KMW if we don’t start the blame game now, what got us to this point will just continue! Wait and the catastrophic results will continue.

  228. I agree, right now we should not be blaming this on trump. Blame it on him when it passes.

  229. @KMW prudent advice...only adults should be allowed to address the nation on this topic going forward. and for those immediately thinking "yeah but who decides who is an adult?" after two minutes it will be obvious—with Trump 30 seconds.

  230. Reporting right now from the Dallas airport: arrived on an international flight at dawn to find not chaos but an eerie and deserted immigration arrivals hall - a place that’s usually a packed madhouse. Security for moving into the domestic gates area was also quiet and the TSA people report it’s the quietest they’ve seen. Everyone I’ve seen is calm. The hours have gone by and terminals D and A are unusually quiet. In anticipation of more flight cutbacks starting tomorrow, people are coming and going on the mostly-filled remaining flights. I guess some can’t change their travel plans, some are just the brave and intrepid, and some may be flying because they are afraid they won’t be able to get to their destinations later. Crowds are sparse.

  231. @Pottree Which raises the question "Why are TV networks' news operations CHOOSING to report and highlight scenes that suggest otherwise?"

  232. Are US states allowed to restrict travel into/out of their airports FROM OTHER US states? The infection densities are pretty intense in some places and very small in other places. I would not be surprised if the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution is challenged as states try to protect their populations.

  233. @JFR What about the interstate freeway and all the other roads that cross state borders? Once the airport mess ends this week, people will still be able to move around. The second confirmed case in my state was in a remote rural area and the person had not traveled. But there is an interstate freeway where the person works, so I expected cases to start cropping up along that interstate, which has happened. Everything is interconnected, and if you rely on stores for food, you will eventually be exposed.

  234. The virus is already here. And we have no idea how many are really infected (your illogical“infection density” reference) because so few have been tested. Social distancing will reduce all sorts of travel, be it down the street or across the country.

  235. @JFR Too late. Remember it's a two week incubation period. We don't actually know where it is. The Feds could shut down air travel. What about cxasr travel?

  236. When this sad episode is behind us and a new and responsible administration is elected, I hope we all will realize how INTER-CONNECTED we are...In trade, finance, transportation, healthcare, cultural exchange, and common humanity. Isolationism makes for an interesting campaign slogan but in real life it means suffering alone.

  237. New York is very lucky to have a governor who is taking charge of this madness. I am counting the planes flying over my house and lots of them are landing. I fear the second wave of infections will soon reach our communities. This is the time for seriousness folks because we now have no choice but to mingle with those just getting off the planes from Europe. They must shop is same grocery stores, pharmacies, etc. Some may be carriers and have no symptoms and feel confident to eat in a restaurant, go out for coffee, etc. You never know who you are standing next to in line.

  238. @Curious Agreed. A lot of people don't like Cuomo for some reason, but I think he's good in a crisis.

  239. @Curious I hope you aren’t serious about the governor; this is sarcasm, right? By leaving NYC schools open, he is giving the virus carte blanche to spread exponentially amongst our 9 million citizens. Hundreds will die, young and old. You can’t blame the White House for this one; blame the governor of NY state for allowing this outrage to happen.

  240. I think it is time to give it a rest and let the Federal and State governments do what they know needs to be done. There isn't any point to continually blame the opposing political party 24/7 or the President. Doing that is our politics and certainly not helpful. If anyone has any helpful suggestions that aren't being considered or have been missed bring them forward. If someone sees something that is being planned and thinks that something was missed or will go wrong then speak up. Otherwise stay home and don't say anything that will not be helpful to stopping the spread of the virus or helping treat it.

  241. @NYChap And what do the Federal and State governments know what needs to be done?? Look at the federal response and and the response of all 50 states and tell me if there is consensus and a uniform response. If there is no consensus then some of those governments don't know what needs to be done. Who do we then trust? The federal government or the state governments? Which state government? This needs to be discussed and debated for a long long time because the next pandemic is coming sooner rather than later and we all need a coherent worldwide strategy. One thing is clear to me and that is that Medicare for All and worker protections are paramount to a healthy and just society in the 21st century.

  242. Medicare for all doesn’t solve a shortage of hospital beds. First and foremost each person is responsible for his or her own well-being. Healthy people without underlying medical complications are the best defense. A diet of cola, cookies and pizza does not offer a strong foundation for a body to fight off any disease.

  243. @Robert McArdle I agree with you on the diet, and I would add regular exercise for physical and mental health. But Medicare for All does solve a shortage of hospital beds because it is preventative medicine because All can be Cared for with regular affordable visits to doctors before they need to go to the ER and fill up a hospital bed. People without health insurance or those who are underinsured only engage with the for-profit health care system when it's an emergency, and by then they are in emergency rooms and most likely being put into hospital beds. If they can prevent the underlying cause of their ER visit by having routine and affordable preventative care then they won't be filling up those hospital beds as much. We can do everything correctly health-wise but if a poor worker is contagious and is handling our children's food because they can't afford to not work and they can't afford health care then we have a long-term problem.

  244. A lot of comments point out that the federal authorities should be telling or requiring people to stay at home. Trump will never allow this as he desperately needs a good economy if he has any chance of being re-elected, and consumers drive the economy. It's as simple as that - Trump is putting his needs above the needs of 320 million Americans.

  245. I don’t know - I think we can all say we pretty much depend on the economy holding up. We all have a stake in it.

  246. @Just Julien We all depend on clean air too. Just two months of China's factories being closed down led to significantly cleaner air in those Chinese cities - the satellite photos are astounding. So how do we keep buying the little plastic things that drive the economy and also have a sustainable environment? If these viruses keep coming and we all have respiratory problems then there will be a vastly different economy in 50 years. Is there anyone looking ahead into the future on this? Corporate greed focuses on the next quarterly report and we can't manage these crises on that sort of timeline.

  247. @Doug Drake In terms of testing kits, I would also add that it is in the public's interest to know how many people are infected so that we can all make the correct public health choices. It is not in Trump's best interest to have a lot of infected people because that will tank the economy, and he said as much during his trip to the CDC on Friday. With those two competing interests in mind, how many testing kits do we have in the US, how long is it taking to get them, and which above scenario benefits the most from so few testing kits? It quickly comes down to either incompetence on the part of the federal government or the Trump administration simply doesn't want the numbers to go up.

  248. We left Barcelona, Spain yesterday-a midday flight to Kennedy. We had checked in electronically so it was drop the bags and go. Security screening was quick. Entered through terminal 4 at Kennedy using one of the customs and immigration smart phone apps. Collected baggage and off to the next flight. The longest delays we had was an air traffic hold in Barcelona for 90 minutes and CDC screening in Kennedy. But, I suppose those other air ports of debarkation and entry are experiencing large crowds and long wait times may due to several factors-last minute decisions and not using all of the tools available. Kennedy was quick through customs and immigration if one use the smart phone apps. Otherwise the line was very long.

  249. I came back from Switzerland on Saturday after flying into Newark airport. Our plane was among at least 4 others arriving simultaneously. We waited on the plane for two hours sitting comfortably with AC and filled in a questionnaire about where we were, if we came in contact with a test positive person, and where we were going. Then upon deplaning, waiting on the lines, having our forehead temperature taken, having a short talk by a CDC rep, having a short interview based on the questionnaire, going through Global entry and getting my luggage, getting to the sidewalk for pickup took just over 40 minutes. For a first day since the ban took place, I expected it and thought it was reasonable.

  250. @Philip except the action should have been taken 3 weeks ago!

  251. @Philip - "if we came in contact with a test positive person" How would you know?

  252. @Philip Than you for the unbiased information.

  253. When this is all in the past, we'd be well served by the creation of some kind of investigative board (modeled, perhaps, along the lines of an NTSB accident investigation board) that will mercilessly examine what was done correctly, but, more importantly, incorrectly. No politicians allowed on the board. If we don't do this, then nothing will have been learned that might prepare us for the next pandemic.

  254. @Scott Liebling And then AG Barr can suppress any results that make the Administration look bad. Again. And another time.

  255. @Scott Liebling Right on spot Scott! We have to demand accountability.In medicine we have debriefing after some unfavorable events and PI (Performance Improvements) on regular basis, where we discuss cases and learn how to improve patient's care.We should demand it from politicians, but public representatives should be The Jury!

  256. It’s a funny thing about exponential growth. It doesn’t seem very significant until it is. Then it becomes more than significant.

  257. @Paul Toensing Funny thing also that exponential growth of common colds and influenza happen every year, yet the vast majority of the infected people RECOVER. Right now, worldwide, more than half of the people with covid-19 are recovering or have recovered. For most people, it is not a death sentence. But here's the thing: paralyze a non-socialist economy and watch people die from no income to buy the necessities of life.

  258. @Paul Toensing: And very very very quickly...

  259. @Paul Toensing I wonder how many Americans do nto know the meaning of "exponential," not to mention "existential?" The latter seems to be in constant use in the news media. I have my doubts many spouting this have much of an idea of what the word means, let alone who Sartre was.

  260. TSA with military help should screen/wand at disembarking the planes instead of waiting in long lines once inside the terminals Then direct negs to on area to for quicker processing. Also when boarding from anyone with symptoms wear mask on plane. It won’t eliminate exposure but surely better than what is going on.

  261. @bonhomie "...surely better than what is going on." if we are to believe reporting from just one of dozens of International Airport, and the one most infamous for long lines and chaos in the best of times.

  262. So the stable genius plan was to bring people back from high risk areas all at once and pack them like sardines into airports for hours. Not sure that move was well thought out.

  263. @Foxrepublican Actually there was no deadline established for their return. They all hurried back, in effect, creating a rush hour traffic jam.

  264. @Foxrepublican They don't have to. They are fleeing on their own. These are American citizens who are not affected by the ban. Don't blame the stable genius for that.

  265. Those Americans abroad should have been on their way home weeks before this.

  266. What a shock to the system. The realization that everyone's health and wellbeing is dependent on everyone else's health and wellbeing.

  267. This has always been the case, but unfortunately it will take this disaster for people to realize it.

  268. @Robert Roth YEP!!! And the health care system in the US should have changed with the introduction of TB in the inner cities - the kind that is not treatable with anti-biotics. The health care should of changed with the aging baby boomers. Unless a politician is for universal health - don't vote for them. Plenty of 3rd world countries have better health care than the US.

  269. @Robert Roth Exactly. Don't expect any epiphanies, however.

  270. As the coronavirus enters the cells via the ACE-2 receptor, how about clinical trials with ACE blockers that bind the receptors this preventing entry. ACE blockers are already being used therapeutically every day to reduce hypertension. ABRs such as Losartan, etc could be used, just as antiretroviral agents that are entry inhibitors are used to manage HIV.

  271. Excellent thought.

  272. @Charles H. Henry Curious readers may wonder WHY (and what the mechanism is) for coronavirus to utilize the ACE-2 pathway. That is not the SARS pathway, but it is the HIV pathway.

  273. Leadership: I'm seeing it in my job, where our school district has suspended classes for two weeks, probably longer, prepared with remote learning, disinfecting classrooms, and arranged for Resource Centers for children who depend on the school day for meals and day care. I'm seeing it with responsible grocers like Ralphs, where they're limiting their hours, and limiting the purchase of certain products because-- although grocers have no plans to close their doors--some Americans are behaving like ravaging locusts, swarming the aisles and clearing the shelves; sometimes making more than one trip a day to horde. I'm seeing it in numerous organizations that are suspending activities. Where I'm not seeing leadership is from the man who was supposedly elected to be our country's leader.

  274. @Gustav Aschenbach, the least he could do is help stock grocery shelves, you’d think. My Costco in Alhambra looked like a scene out of Days of Heaven.

  275. @Gustav Aschenbach Oh, Gustav, you noticed that? Puts you ahead of a fair number of MAGA hat wearers and half the Senate.

  276. Another upside-down "solution" . As a frequent traveler, I know that in many of the European airports, we are sent to a separate security area for those flying into the US. How difficult would it be, to add health check-ups to those areas? Seems it only needs a thermometer, and a few questions, according to the hordes arriving. Wouldn't it be safer,(and smarter) to stop possible ill travelers, BEFORE they get on the plane.?

  277. I am amazed that mayhem and unpreparedness continues in airports like O'Hare where many travelers returning from foreign countries where the virus is present, were shuttled to a small room, which quickly became overcrowded, waiting for hours to be tested. In the meantime, people continued to breath, cough and be in extreme close proximity. This crisis has been known for weeks and yet, no real plan nor logical system for separating and testing these travelers was put into place. On the other hand, there are some "positives" to be thankful for. Primarily - internet and web access. Meetings, conferences, and a plethora of other ways of communicating RIGHT NOW is capable. Food and other important supplies can be ordered on-line. We can talk and do face time rather than face-to-face contact. Granted the life we have taken for granted will continue to be disrupted for awhile, but at least options are available to keep things moving forward. I also have seen positive sides of folks during this pandemic. My husband and I were in line for 1.5 hours, waiting to check out of a large grocery store. An incredible conversation started with us and the ladies in front and behind us. We laughed and told stories and shared cooking tips. Each saved the other's place in line when one realized they forgot to pick something up in aisle 9. Although we were in line so long, we could have started a family, we made two new & great friends in the end, each exchanging contact information.

  278. Read today’s enlightening article about how our culture leads to patchwork health care and pandemia control.

  279. The more aggressive the response, the more testIng and confirmations, the more the statistical numbers rise and with it the panic. It used to take stepping over dead bodies in the street to induce such fear and hysteria but thanks to technology it’s now all virtual.

  280. @John Doe But that's good. If you are staying home and reading news online, you're not out there spreading the virus. If you're out in the street you're posing a risk to others. And honestly, unless I've missed it, there are no real signs of panic. Staying home as much as possible, canceling trips and activities etc. is not "panic." It's following sensible public health precautions - that's the opposite of panic. (Okay, yeah, the toilet paper thing … but I have not heard of people coming to blows over it or anything.)

  281. @DW, reports indicate that those least at risk of death are the young with their robust immune systems and those able and healthy enough to hustle and bustle out on the streets. It makes sense to protect the most vulnerable from exposure like with any other contagious disease. I teach in LA and for at least the next two weeks I’m stuck at home watching MSNBC and being driven to near suicide from their derisive Trump-bashing pessimism instead of being at a LAUSD public school with lots of sanitation supplies helping my special ed students in a place where they at least get feed and stay busy and safe everyday. God help them and their poor parents until this passes.

  282. @John Doe And the young Chinese doctors who died? BTW my TV has more than one channel. How'd you end up with one that only gets MSNBC?

  283. Let’s slowdown on the hysteria and think practical for several moments (if readers of this op-Ed are capable) and look at the data. China has 1.338 billion people as of 2017 and the US has a population of 328 million people, roughly 25 % of China’s population. So if data from China is accurate and if approximately 80,000 people in China became infected with the COVID-19 virus statistics tell us there is the possibility that approximately 20,000 people in the US will become infected. This is most likely contingent on many factors and unlike Italy, the US placed restrictions on travel from China at the end of January. For the US to minimize the health impacts on the majority of people here in the US and abroad everyone must act sensible and minimize the hysteria. For now and all the best to everyone.

  284. @MDCooks8 Is there any reason to believe in the numbers posted by the Chinese government? Has the Chinese government over the past decade(s) earned our trust?

  285. @Florian Marquardt There are no reported cases and/or deaths in North Korea and Russia also, and those countries have massive numbers of elderly citizens and people with underlying health conditions.

  286. Thanks for your thoughts. Another key variable to consider is rate of spreading of this virus. China implemented a strict lockdown in Wuhan. Once in place they were able to contain. Every day that passes, without strict lockdown, you can count on exponential virus spread. We are on pace to surpass their infection rate. Each day matters.

  287. I'd like to thank you all for your early reporting and excellent public education. Unlike Television which has likely been behind the panic, I was reading your coverage at least a month and a half ago. I very calmly set to the task of preparing and am now prepared. This is what separates Television from the free press. I am prepared enough to help my family and neighbors as well. Thank you all. This is why I have been a reader here for years, and rarely watch Television, preferring in depth factual reporting over very brief reporting on TV. Job well done to you and all the nations' papers.

  288. @PATRICK I've been seeing a lot of thoughtful, straight TV news reporting -- especially in the vetting of experts and sources -- exclusive of Fox and Sinclair. Not to take away your point about elite print.

  289. It should be obvious that any "enhanced screening" measures that allow large crowds to accumulate behind a checkpoint create a substantially greater risk than the one from which the measures are supposed to be protecting us. That's the case with TSA screening that creates a highly vulnerable terrorist target as a large herd of shoeless sheep wait for screening. It's even more true with "health checks" that create an ideal environment for virus transmission as a crowd of passengers packs the space behind the checkpoint. Bureaucratic officials seem to have a kind of myopia in situations like these. They're so narrowly focused on the very specific threat they're concerned with that they just can't see the bigger picture, the full effect of the measures they're scrambling to put in place. It's essential to publicize the problems and to call out the officials who failed to consider that their well-intended measures might do more harm than good. If that embarrasses some official in the federal bureaucracy, that's good. Officials care very much about avoiding blame, and perhaps shining the spotlight on their failure to see something that's obvious to anyone else might be what it takes to correct the problem.

  290. You are 100 percent correct. He have been dehumanized and have been programmed as robots. No critical thinking here.

  291. Princeton students reportedly went out yesterday evening for a last hurrah before leaving the campus and the surrounding community. Large groups of students crowded into restaurants and bars; they laughed and hugged and showed no awareness that their behavior was placing them, other patrons, workers and everyone they would subsequently encounter at increased risk. Are the colleges that are sending their students home doing anything to teach their departing students proper safety protocols? Or are they merely offloading an exponentially growing problem?

  292. These are adults. They have received mixed messages from various “authorities” over the past few weeks (Trump misinformation). The results are plain to see everywhere.

  293. @Elaine Francis As cynical as it is, it appears that colleges are indeed merely offloading without regard for the health or welfare of the students or community. I can't think of any other rational reason for doing this. This will only exacerbate the spread to vulnerable people.

  294. I am not a huge environmentalist. But shouldn’t this mass world wide government and society mobilisation be what we are doing for climate change. Climate change is somehow more of a vague threat but clearly we have the energy to mass mobilize when required. Shouldn’t we also be on a war footing for climate change?

  295. @James YES! YES!! This shutdown is going to help our planet -- whether we like it or not!!

  296. If the feds can’t test and quarantine air travelers, governors must do so on airport perimeters. Absent a short-term shutdown of air travel, airport hotels should be requisitioned by state authorities for screening, quarantine, triage and care. This is but one small step we need to take to save our health care system from catastrophe. Everything needs to happen triple-time. If you’re not a first responder, stay home or six feet apart from others, unless you need food. Social distancing is everything now. Everything.

  297. I think we should do the opposite. Let’s get it over with. Mingle and take your chances if you’re under 50.

  298. @jjohannson TOO LATE. It is already in the community. The reason we don' t know that. is the Federal government didn't allow private companies to do their own tests back in January when they wanted to.

  299. As I small retail business owner, I wish the government would just have all non-essential businesses close for the next two weeks--at least. For my part, I am closing my shop for the next two weeks. I wish many more small, main street businesses would do the same as proper guidance is not coming the powers that be. It is a huge worry as a small business owner that this may last longer than two weeks, but if we are all in this together, than we should all be working together to do our part help our communities and our country to get through this.

  300. Not sure why 3 additional questions and a temperature check would cause these long lines. The current procedure for citizens at DFW airport is, you go to a self serve kiosk and scan your passport, you answer some questions and it takes your biometrics and a picture. Just add an infrared thermometer and additional coronavirus questions to the kiosk and you are all set. In any case, no one is saying there should be no screening for returning passengers. They have been cooped up in an aircraft with others possibly from virus epicenters. But we could make them feel like they are really back home, when our immigration officers greet them, "Welcome home!"

  301. "President Trump, who had initially refrained from getting tested, finally underwent testing for the virus — his results were negative, his doctor said." Proving the coronavirus has standards for what it will and won't enter.

  302. SAS - Scandinavian Airlines just laid off 90 percent of its staff. British Airways making similar noise. Could be a domino effect this week...

  303. I am a self-quarantining senior—and I would like to know what I can do from home to help my community get through this crisis. I don’t knit, but I am skilled on a computer. Is there volunteer work that can be done by telecommunication? Any suggestions for people like me who are stuck at home but want to help?

  304. @Angela Minton Contact your local city representative and let them know your skills, your availability and that you would like to help. When they sort through things they may see that you would fill a need they have and contact you. Stay well.

  305. @Angela Minton You could call neighbors and check on other people who might be more isolated and find community resources assistance to direct them too. My community here has an online bulletin board for these things. And at very least, those people will know they are not alone or forgotten. Thank you.

  306. What does "hunkering down" even pragmatically mean? It should be clearly said to lock down or ban public events. The freeloaders who are not taking this seriously will end up causing damage to those of us who see the writing on the wall. The vague language coming from the government and its agencies is just leaving states and municipalities to make up their own rules, which is having a dangerous effect in some places. In my town, we have a mayor who has reluctantly just closed schools, refuses to prohibit recreational activities and is arguing with and cursing at his residents on social media accusing them of being Democrat hitmen.

  307. @Jay The "freeloaders"? Do you really expect a "lockdown" to work in a country other than China? This is absolutely the most absurd situation I have ever heard of. Then kicking tens of thousands of college students out of their dorms without notice, en masse, so now we have them travelling about the country and globe now. This is especially stupid when the solution is as clear as day: lockdown the people that are clearly most vulnerable to this disease while everyone else develops community immunity in a couple of months.

  308. @Sara Actually, lockdowns are already being done in Italy, France, and Spain and that is because they are now faced with the realities of not taking proper action when needed. It might be nice to be preventative and not reactionary.

  309. Do the First Class passengers have their own(shorter) line? This an excellent opportunity for the airlines to have a special coronovirus expedite line! Say for 100$ even an economy passenger goes to the head of the line. They could us AI to vary the rate with the length of the line.

  310. I love the New York Times. But I have completely stopped reading anything COVID-19 related. I used to read the updates daily but every time I did, anxiety would spike so much within me that I felt paralyzed. I couldn't function in my daily life. So now I listen to guidance from my government leaders, and updates from the CDC and that's all. I check in with my neighbors and friends and try to be a helper wherever I can. I'm not afraid anymore, in fact, I feel purposeful and empowered. And I won't be reading the New York Times COVID updates for a long, long time.

  311. I'm not sure why, but when I read that "president" Trump was tested and his results were negative, I didn't believe it for a New York minute. Is his credibility just a bit low, or is it me?

  312. First of all we are in a pandemic because government has failed at all levels. People should stay home but NYC schools remain open so it would be a joke if it wasn’t so serious Domestic flights continue to operate and the stock market remains open. One could hypothetically conclude this is being decided based on politics

  313. Reality Check the day earth stood still ,watch the movie very real what is happening or could happen very near future .Ending is pretty close to our present.

  314. The airport picture is frightening. It perfectly reflects the chaos that flows directly from Trump.