Also way too much hugging in this episode
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Continuity alert. Cut scene of Hugh cowering during the Cube fight shows the knife in his throat before she throws it! Doh!
In Greek mythology, Nepenthe was a drug that made the taker forget pain and grief. Vergessen, the name of the planet where Icheb died, is the verb "to forget" in German. Coincidence , or are the writers trying to tell us something?
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Thaddeus, the name of their deceased son was also the name of one of Riker's ancestors who was saved by Quinn (a member of the Q continuum), as told by Q in the Voyager episode Death Wish
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I'm confused by Narek chasing Rios and the gang when they should be heading for Soji's home world. Wasn't that the main objective?
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@Jackie Vogel
Narek was chasing Rios because he knew that Rios was going to meet up with Picard & Soji.
Don’t think Rios knew where the 2 red planet home world was yet
The slowing-down maneuver to allow the enemy craft to fly past you is straight out of “Top Gun “.
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@Lorraine you are right. This is an old Maverick and Goose trick.
He didn’t slow down- he warped far far away then slowed down waiting for Natek to pass over their ship; Rios then later suspects tracking device ad Narek finds them again
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So instead of exploring ideas and (speculative) natural wonders of the galaxy as in the original and next generation series, we have, what? reveals and conflicts of these same old characters? There is absolutely nothing mentioned in the article that I am interested in. STIMO. Star Trek in name only.
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@wlieu- Dallas
Give the first season time to clear up bits as it’s now 20 years later and Picard discovers Soji through Data’s appearance in the vineyard. Guilt and regrets and boredom and the itch to be back in the galaxy and a mole in the admin of The Federation spurs Picard away from the grapes. These loose ends being tied up will propel the series forward so closure for some characters and past timeline chronological sewed up and sorted out or explained to us as the new mapping out plot lines and characters develop in a world 20 years later with those subsequent tech/scientific advanced offered up to us on each new episode. Be patient, impatient HughMans.
The allowances for meatier adult conversations and interactions is because it is a paid CBS Access series and not a standard CBS censored episodic series. I’ve loved each episode and am of course curious to see how Jurati’s arch or character evolves or is dropped. She is the Synth expert. Loved seeing Troi and Will and Kestra in Nepenthe. Not liking Narek and hopeful for more Data. Would love to see a Ferengi. I can always do without the Klingons.
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This was the worst episode so far. Picard would not carelessly give away Soji's identity as an android the way he did, when she was right there listening, before he knew for certain whether she had drawn this same conclusion. Nor would he have mocked her concerns, however playfully, at being able to trust no one. When Troi tells him to be Picard, I wondered why he wasn't being Picard. His behavior toward Soji undercut the fact that he'd just risked his life to save her and has been obsessed with her well-being since learning she is descended from Data.
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@Yadaaaah
He’s 20 years older, has lost a few steps and he no longer reports to the Federation or is a Captain nor Admiral and cannot click his demands. Somethings happens to us aging folk- we behave more self righteously and arrogantly and so so full of wisdom our mouth blurts out casual insensitive bits but well meaning and we have to apologize more and adjust. Lighten up dude or turn off. It’s all been fun to watch.
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@LCF CBS touted that this would be a character driven show and Picard is the lead character. I cannot recall Picard ever acting so out of character in TNG. I'm old enough to have watched TOS in its original run and can't say I would ever behave like that. If anything, age makes us more emotionally intelligent due to our experience, not less so. Picard pulling gaffes like that is new, 180 degrees from what we know of him, and completely unexplained. I believe it was a sacrifice of accurate character in order to push the plot.
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And,so far, no one has mentioned what to me was the most distracting aspect of this episode. Troi and Ryker are too old to have a young teenager as a daughter.It may be that in the 24th C ,life expectancy is considerably lengthened,but Troi and Ryker look their IRL ages.Grandparents yes,adoptive parents yes.......birth parents no.....
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@sagefemme50 That got to me too, and then I just decided that Betazoid's experienced menopause later.
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@profjere - Actually in the series, Deanna's mother (played by Majel Barrett) went through menopause at an age we'd consider very advanced for a human. IIRC, he remarries some fellow and has a baby several years after that.
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It’s 24 or 25th century modern reproductive medicine. She was pregnant once for a few weeks and popped out a child- that was a strange episode.
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It is not that important, but Patrick Stewart actually directed the "Data's Day" episode featuring Data learning to dance and it might be his finest directorial effort from the series.
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Most incongruous and, frankly, distressing was the killing of the bunny-corn, whose meat was eaten on top a pizza by characters who were vegetarian and who also explicitly rejected hunting in Next Generation. It seems Troi has lost her empathetic abilities when it comes to non-humanoids.
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@Kim Bartlett True. Star Trek always goes back and forth on this, and on the existence of money. Sometimes money is a normal thing; at other times it hasn't been used for over a century. Not only that, they go back and forth on the measurement of time. Kirk refers to the fact that time is no longer measured in seconds and minutes in one TOS episode, but all of Star Trek surrounding that episode uses seconds, minutes, and hours, routinely.
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@Kim Bartlett
That's a good point. I didn't realize they actually killed and ate the bunny. What's up with that? Riker said in TNG "We no longer enslave our animals for food purposes" when they don't eat meat. Sometimes these new Star Trek producers just don't get it.
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@Stephen in NY
They need a better data base or cross referencing or a script analysis ST nerd expert
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The first Kestra didn't die in "Dark Page". Troi learned that she had an older sister who had die in the episode.
The vision of the future imparted to Agnes by Oh may be tied into the events at the end of the second season of Discovery.
Spock had visions of the same future.
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@david smith nyc
Yes. It didn’t have to be a mind meld and this is 20 years in the future for this series. New melding methods (the future melding)
@David Smith But Discovery takes place at about the same time as TOS, well before TNG. That can’t be their ‘future’
ACTUALLY, we find out in Season TWO, episode 17 ("Samaritan Snare") that Picard has an artificial heart.
Kestra doesn't die in "Dark Page". Her death, which happened many years before, is revealed. Troi never actually met her.
I grew up on ST:TNG. I've tried but I can't watch this new show. I miss the appealing earnestness and comfort-TV (and the amazing NCC 1701-D) of ST:TNG.
Somehow this show is way cheesier than TNG and that's saying a lot.
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@Liz Something is missing at the core of this show. I feel like it exists for no reason other than to trot out old Trek alumni. I had been optimistic but after episode 7 I'm feeling differently about it. It may be that episodic Trek is the best Trek because every week, a new idea, a new moral or ethical riddled to wrestle with, a new far out concept. But this show just keeps hammering at the same thing without much development other than the woman killing her mentor. I lost interest by the end of ep 7 so that when Picard left the planet, I'm not sure why he left. Or why he had gone there. Did he pick up supplies? I should re-watch but I don't know that I want to go through that again.
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@YaddaYaddaYadda
Star Trek Picard is an evolving story. Each episode peels back another layer. Do you think that everything stayed the same as shown in TNG especially after the Dominion War?
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@YaddaYaddaYadda
When you have all 7 seasons available to stream in any order, you begin to notice that TNG plots relied on things like temporal anomalies, gravimetric distortions and various incorporeal entities perhaps a little too frequently.
But I agree with you, each episode gave you something new to think about, with the satisfaction of a beginning, middle and end each week. (Not counting some very good two-parters!)
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I’m so glad that Agnes is actually who she appears to be: somewhat naive, victimized by the evil Oh, but still with a conscience. My heart broke for her. Marvelous character.
Imagine the Riker and Sisko cooking show.
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@Roswell DeLorean I would watch that show! Especially because DS9 is my favorite Trek
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@Roswell DeLorean Agnes is responsible for her actions, period. If someone showed me a 10 second movie of Earth's destruction, I wouldn't be convinced. Vulcans can't see the future and, given the state of technology in this show, that montage could have been cooked up on an iPhone 1000 and projected into her head with an app.
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@YaddaYaddaYadda
We only saw a brief glimpse of the images . Who knows what else was embedded in that mind meld and transmitted to Jurati .
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