‘I Felt Like Crying’: Coronavirus Shakes China’s Expecting Mothers

Feb 25, 2020 · 52 comments
J (Shanghai)
Jeepers Alex do you have nothing better to report on? Are you confident that your government would have done way way better than ours? Well word has it there is gonna be a break-out in the US so maybe we will actaully find the answer.
Linda (New Jersey)
How does this fit with all the Chinese citizens in Europe and the U.S. buying luxury items? If this is what it's like in China, the country has the worst features of an oligarchy and of communism. Isn't it dangerous for the people interviewed here to be critical of the government? Did the man who tried to bribe the security guard know he'd be identified by the Times? Do you tell the interviewees that the Times will be read by Chinese government officials? This story could cause irreparable damage to these people's lives.
wsmrer (chengbu)
@Linda I like many who so desire read the NYT on a VPN in China. It was band after a series exposing the wealth of the former Primer’s family’s. One acquaintance a PSB officer reads the WSJ daily. Both are no doubt known to the authorizes if they are interested. Policing 1.4 billion people something of a joke, and only of interest if the individual seen as a threat. The social networks are full of criticism that may or may not be deleted. Not the image found in the Times.
Linda (New Jersey)
@wsmrer I'm confused. Are you saying Chinese citizens aren't in danger of being reprimanded for criticizing the government to foreigners, or for trying to get around the system's limitations? I get it that there are too many Chinese people to police them all for being critical. But even living here in the U.S., I wouldn't criticize local and state government for publication in the Times if I thought I'd need something from a politician.
wsmrer (chengbu)
@Linda The Chinese have mastered the concept ‘those watched will not misbehave,’ any old way to establish ‘order.’ A critic may expect a response or not and respond accordingly. It works, you never see a car do anything but stop as the traffic light blinks, no crossing on yellow under those cameras’. But people j-walk often also an offence; does that tell you anything?
Jay (qca)
So why is she wearing a mask? Don't they know that they have been proven ineffective? If people would just practice better hygiene viruses like this would never spread so badly. Look around and see how many times everyday people wipe,touch their face, eyes, nose and touch things. There has to be some awareness.
wsmrer (chengbu)
A touching story but not really. No country is equipped for such endemic outbreaks and when they occur saving lives rushes to the fore. The burden falls in China on the public hospitals; private hospitals are unlike elsewhere of lower levels of competency but easier access. Pregnancy requires special attention but has historically been aided by midwifes; such needed now.
Rebecca (Philadelphia, PA, USA)
Are there midwives in China? They could certainly alleviate the fears of pregnant women by visiting them at home and, unless there are complications as with the woman who may need dialysis, women can have their babies at home, where at least they will feel safe from the virus.
Frank (Chicago)
Good luck!
Nancy Robertson (Mobile)
It's time to face the cold, hard truth. We are now in the worst-case scenario of globalization run amok. The Coronavirus from Wuhan is heading out way. It's estimated that half the population will eventually contract the disease. And of those who do get it, 20% will have a severe case. And this pandemic could last for years. So, if we're older and/or have any underlying health condition, a death certificate has already been prepared for us. And if by some perverse miracle we survive weeks of hospitalization in a converted gymnasium, we will be stuck with a bill so large, we will go bankrupt and be forced out into the streets.
Michael (Utah, US)
@Nancy Robertson "We are now in the worst-case scenario of globalization run amok." I for one am glad that the Spanish Flu and Black Death hit before globalization. Imagine if they had spread through the world!
Salix (Sunset Park, Brooklyn)
@Nancy Robertson Really??? It is not clear to me how/why you think that the coronavirus is heading to Mobil. LA. Your estimates of the infection rate, & its severity don't match even the worst ASSUMPTIONS about the Wuhan outbreak. Your vision of "us" being stuck in a converted gymnasium, then bankrupted & living on the street would make a great movie. More people die of the flu each year, but people are so blase that they don't even get flu shots. Hyperventilation is not good for your health.
Linda (New Jersey)
@Nancy Robertson You're catastrophizing. If you're going to state "It's estimated that half the population will eventually contract the disease," you need to cite a source for that statistic. Did you make it up? This virus is serious, but it isn't the bubonic plague.
MH (Rhinebeck NY)
The Chinese response is interesting. They are able to build mass facilities for ill people, something that may be beyond the fast response capability of the West. By the time a western government responded it would are far too late. Certain failings are known: lack of sufficient personal protected gear, which should be stockpiled (but that costs money for a resource which has a shelf life), and now the lack of personnel. The former can be fixed for the next event, the latter is much more problematic. Perhaps a little of the dribble of money the government is preparing with (2.5 billion? Lose that much in a month if the infection rages) could be spent training people in basic patient care in order to free up more experienced personnel for critical cases.
SK (Ca)
Ms Liu, you have our sympathy and do the best to take care of your unborn. Across the Pacific Ocean, we have not much to brat about our healthcare system in one of the most prosperous country in the world. We have a fiscal medical crisis without a major immediate medical crisis. There are shortage of physicians in rural areas. There are 20-30 millions of people without health insurance, more than 30 millions are under-insured and at least 500,000 filled bankruptcy annually for medical reasons. What an irony, sharp contrast between these two pictures ?
Just Curious (Oregon)
Institutions will be overwhelmed, even with American Exceptionalism. I shudder to imagine the chaos when the virus strikes our prison populations. Will low paid guards show up for work? Will inmates get any care?
Salix (Sunset Park, Brooklyn)
@Just Curious Rest easy. That wall will keep it out - along with thought and prayers.
wsmrer (chengbu)
@Salix Not true it has been recently reported in a prison by the Times.
American2020 (USA)
Sarcastic comments about China's healthcare and lack of it miss the point. My heart breaks for these mothers-to-be. Of course, they are scared and have every right to be. Every healthcare system in the world is or will be overtaxed by this virus, including the United States'. If this becomes a true pandemic everywhere, these pregnant women's problems will be commonplace and the routine healthcare we take for granted will become an unknown. I hope and pray this doesn't happen but Trump has gutted so many federal agencies that could deal effectively with this, how can we know if the United States is prepared? Just throwing money at it won't work. There has to be intelligence behind the efforts and we all know that is sadly lacking in the White House.
George Thoroughgood (Nyc)
Is this the future of US medical care as envisioned by Medicare for all?
Steph (New York)
@George Thoroughgood China's healthcare system consists of both Private and Public medical institutions and programs just like the United States. This would be our reality with the systems this nation has currently in place.
Tony (New York City)
@George Thoroughgood Well George I don't know where you live but this is a snap shot of the American for profit health care system. We have the highest minority mortality death rate in the US. We have ignorant people in this administration and once the 14 number begins to climb we have nothing to stop it. This administration has cut so many programs and hired so many ignorant people guess what we are just like China
kenneth (nyc)
@George Thoroughgood Nope. Not even close.
E Wang (NJ)
This article exactly explains why Chinese government used extreme measure to slow down the outbreak: Overwhelmed health care system will turn away ppl without the disease. So far it has been effective as the number of patients are declining there. The same may challenge other nations if they don't prepare for it. This is not about politics. Our CDC just got its funding cut?
Very Confused (Queens NY)
Reading what these poor women are going through I felt like...shakes China’s expecting mothers... Crying? Coronavirus! ‘I Felt Like Crying’: Coronavirus Shakes China’s Expecting Mothers’
Jay Peters (Bronx)
For all its faults, the Communist party showed how authoritarian power, when wielded properly can be of great benefit. By quickly locking down 60 M people - an unheard of number - with no due process or court challenges etc, China was able to save hundreds of thousands of lives. If this establishes a foothold in the US, we are in big trouble. Do you think we can quarantine the whole of California and allow people to go out only once every 3 days for groceries? Nope. Let’s hope summer comes soon to save us.
M (The midst of Babylon)
@Jay Peters That's awful nice of the Communist party to lock down 60 million people after their policies caused this disease to spread in the first place. If a doctor reports a suspected disease in the US he is not detained and forced to apologize, only to end up dying from that very diseases that the communist party says did not exist. Don't you dare compare the US to the communist party, they deserve no praise and if they were not so inept the rest of the world would not have to be worried about coronovirus to begin with.
Salix (Sunset Park, Brooklyn)
@Jay Peters Alas, "authoritarian power, when wielded properly" does not described what happened in December in Wuhan. Muzzling and berating doctors who were trying to tell their colleagues that a nasty pneumonia was being seen, and then having those doctors die of the disease, is not a successful campaign.
Tony (New York City)
@Jay Peters Who made the statement that summer is going to cure this monster? Trump? he told the people in India everything is under control. l We don't even know how it affects people and we don't know what the long term effects are.
Evan (B'ham Alabama)
China more interested in nuclear weapons, controlling territory in the South Seas and stealing intellectual property than modern medicine. Russia is more interested in nuclear weapons and posturing about its military to keep keep the 70 kleptocratic billionaires rolling in the money than providing modern healthcare for its people.
kenneth (nyc)
@Evan Yes, such very bad people in all those other countries around the world. Lucky for us we're perfect.
wsmrer (chengbu)
@Evan Let's see the US spends more on military that the next 6 (used to be 10) countries combined and the Military-Industrial-Complex is a reality in every Congressional district or your congress person is not doing their job.
Joe Game (Brooklyn)
so sad, how awful. I imagine everyone reading this has empathy and compassion for the situation. "There is no functioning primary care system in China, where coverage can be limited and there is already a shortage of doctors." So, centralized government control of a health system does not always work?
Mel (NY)
@Joe Game Just wait until you see how our system handles this with millions who lack basic health coverage, a shortage of health care providers, and Trump's asinine decision to fire the expert in charge of pandemic preparedness (because who needs that?). Would be nice not to have a toddler in charge. But never you worry, Trump will be fine.
Tony (China)
@Joe Game China doesn't have a universal healthcare system. Nothing's free. You want to see a doctor? Pay up first. Need an x-ray? Pay up first. Need drugs? You get the idea. China is not like Canada, England, etc. where healthcare is free. Now, the prices of these services are nothing compared to the US. You can see a doctor, get a CT scan, and fill a prescription of painkillers for less than $75. Problem is, doctors are underpaid and overworked, and the quality of service is abysmal. Source: I've lived in China for four years and have government insurance through my work.
Jerry Engelbach (Mexico)
The Chinese government does not prohibit private health care. The problem is that many people cannot afford to pay for it.
Usok (Houston)
There is an ongoing crisis in China. Coronavirus is very contagious and draws world attention and Chinese national effort to stop it. Confusions about many things are bound to happen. I sympathize with the pregnant women at this moment. But things in China are improving fast. Many provinces and metropolitan areas have zero or just one new Coronavirus patient recently. Everyone feels more at ease and has more room to breath. BBC had an interview of several people in Beijing yesterday, showing people with confidence and optimism with the current progress towards fighting disease. The awkward situation for these pregnant female will soon be brought to the government attention. They will be taken care of.
Sideline Observer (Boulder)
@Usok Optimist. I hope you’re right. But without a free(ish) press, how do you know the facts?
Usok (Houston)
@Sideline Observer Please feel free to watch BBC & Phoenix news in Hong Kong. Of course, Chinese CCTV is another source of information.
Tony (New York City)
@Usok God will provide? only a fool would believe that these ladies were going to be taken care of. If that was indeed the case they wouldn't be so terrified for themselves and their unborn children. Maybe this will be a wake up call to the Trump administration which is using the Chinese crisis as a model of doing nothing
Rufus (NYC)
I can't be the only one struck by the irony of an American reporter in an American newspaper pointing out the shortfalls of another country's healthcare system. Get back to me when China's citizens receive bills for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for their healthcare and have to go bankrupt as a result.
Welf (Berlin)
@Rufus That is not an argument. Multiple things can be broken at the same time. Knowing what others do wrong can help avoiding their mistakes.
A (NYC)
All the virus related costs are paid by the Chinese government.
James (US)
@Rufus No the NYT is usually more than happy to criticize the US health care system. Why can't other countries' systems come in for legitimate criticism?
A Cynic (None of your business)
This epidemic will do more to solve China's demographic crisis than any rise in birth rates ever could. This virus selectively kills the elderly. So we can expect that large numbers of China's elderly will be dead soon. Demographic crisis solved. Similarly this virus shows great potential to solve America's problems with the ever rising costs of Social Security and Medicare. Every cloud has a silver lining!
Mauricio (Seattle)
@A Cynic Wrong way to solve the problem. Moreover, the birth rate will likely fall this year
Meng (Chicago)
@A Cynic The damage to the world economy cost a lot greater than the elderly.
Ed (New York)
@Mauricio Um... I suspect that with 60 million people on lockdown and bored at home with nothing to do... needless to say, there will be a lot of kids with October birthdays this year.
P. Dennis (NYC (Manhattan))
That mask she's wearing will do NOTHING. Seeing people, here in NYC wearing them, is like the head gear they wrote in the middle ages - more along the lines of what someone without am understanding of what they need to be protected from, reacting.
NYCSANDI (NY)
You must remember that in China, Japan, Korea the wearing of those masks is an everyday occurrence if you have a cold or other respiratory illness to protect others in their culture of being a responsible citizen. It may look strange in your neighborhood of NYC but it is the norm on the Lower East Side, Sunset Park Brooklyn and Flushing Queens.
Rufus (NYC)
@NYCSANDI point is that it's a useless precaution, nothing to do with it looking strange or what is culturally accepted.
Tony (China)
@NYCSANDI It's normal in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. Not mainland China. There's no regard for personal hygiene here. You won't even find soap in bathrooms in the hospital.