Whatever metric is used to determine “winning” the debate (decibel strength? Talking time?). The format of the debate forces the public to view only a tiny fragment of the candidates. There’s a very low correlation between debate performance and likelihood of being a capable President of the USA. Gawd Dems know how to conduct a circular firing squad.
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In real life, a President will not be able to practice. What we saw during the debate was a stage full of candidates with canned, gotcha lines, cackling and not letting anyone finish an answer. Presidential material? Hardly. Everyone now is turning to attack Bloomberg over things the majority of the country could care less about. Then you have old angry Bernie spouting his socialist nonsense that being a billionaire is immoral. Time to get a grip. Trump is going no where unless this tribal nonsense is stopped.
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Crushed the debate? I beg to differ. Ripping into your opponents with personal attacks is in my mind NOT crushing it. She was rude and unpresidential. In this era of Trumpian toxicity, the American people want civility. She lost my vote.
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Elizabeth Warren is the woman of the moment. She’s tough and smart. She’s persistent and enthusiastic. She’s a champion for the most vulnerable. She genuinely wants to make our country and government more sustainable and fair. She wants to fix what’s wrong with our politics, law, and economy without throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water. She’s the only one who can fix what’s broken in the US. It can’t be “too late” for Warren. She’s here fighting for all of us - just in the nick of time!
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Elizabeth is disciplined, strategic, energetic and unknowable.
Not unlike Obama, who worked out well.
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Elizabeth is disciplined, strategic, energetic and unknowable.
Not unlike Obama, who worked out well.
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Elizabeth proved she’s gifted with words and stamina to crush the billionaire in the room. Democrats please choose Elizabeth to take Trump out of the White House. Vote now. I just sent in my early ballot in California. And a few more bucks to her campaign. Go Elizabeth!
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I had written off Warren until the performance on Tuesday's debate. She dressed down a wealthy powerful man. He was not in a position to counter her barbs with fire because she was right and he knew it. It set the stage for someone whom can take on Trump.
Her message was also consistent with her work in the Senate. She has a record of fighting the unfairness of big money influence. I think her feeling on the abuses of concentrated wealth and a rigged economy are deeply felt and that drove her visceral take-down of Bloomberg.
Perhaps this was a singular good night for her, but I don't think so. This has got to play well with educated suburban women (and male allies) an important group for a Democratic candidate to win.
The pathetic display of Trump sycophancy from most Republican members of Congress during the Impeachment Inquiry and later Senate Trial was depressing. I admit to feeling like our government is overwhelmed by self-serving pols who care about their personal acquisition of power and wealth at the expense of the Country. I don't think I am alone with those feelings. The strong--and I believe--sincere performance of Warren definitely lifted me up.
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Warren's debate performance was just that - a performance. It was well done, but attacking Bloomberg doesn't make her or her far left policies any more palatable to American voters. So while she got a boost in fund raising, her debate performance will not significantly improve her chances of being nominated.
And her stunt of drafting a contract for Bloomberg to sign regarding NDAs is a foolish diversion from what voters are desparate for - a candidate with a plan to beat Trump.
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Elizabeth Warren doesn't have a prayer of beating Trump, who branded her Pocahontas a year ago and will keep drilling down on his claim she's a liar.
There's nothing presidential about her and for her to keep demanding Bloomberg - who is a million times more accomplished than she is - must drop out is laughable. It would be foolish to choose a nominee because they were 'good' at busting another nominee with unproven claims and allegations in a debate.
What Warren did to Bloomberg reminded me of that gaggle of Senators - Warren included - who chase Senator Al Franken out of office over unproven allegations - refusing to allow him a Senate Ethics Investigation over the allegations.
We could sure use Al Franken now.
Elizabeth Warren - yelling and flailing in her shrunken gym clothes - won't do.
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She is MY PRESIDENT! Her performance at the debate was right on and unrelentingly exposed the weaknesses of the other candidates while bolstering her plans for health care and ethical behavior in government.
I have supported Elizabeth from day 1 and was not discouraged by her flatter performance in Iowa and New Hampshire. This is really early in the process and there are many more primaries and caucuses to go... Everybody has moments of less combativity, one cannot sustain the grueling pace of campaigning without some less lackluster moments. And... she was ill in N.H. and Iowa!
I just wish the press would quit focusing on the negative!
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I think that Ms Warrens attack on Bloomberg might help him. Trumps is president today in spite of his attitude towards women. The same might very well happen to Bloomberg. This years election might very well be decided by elderly white men that are impressed by real a self made billionaire. Bloomberg is not the candidate I would like to win, but I think the impact of Warrens is overrated.
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I’m not looking for strident in a candidate. I’m looking for competence, integrity, and staying cool under fire, a policy based on science and on government working for the 99%.
Bloomberg wasn’t brilliant in his first debate, but his supporters did not see the disaster pundits are proclaiming. Warren seemed totally uninterested in Bloomberg’s current employment practice (equal pay for plentiful good jobs), or in his role in turning the House Blue, or his work for reproductive choice and gun control. “I was wrong and here’s how I took corrective action” is more important to me than playing gotcha.
“We tried it, it didn’t work, we tried something that worked better,” is the government philosophy more likely to save the planet than ideological purity or slavish devotion to Trump. As Bloomberg stood watching the rest get in shouting matches, I expected him to say, “This is why I’m running.” Hopefully, next debate, he will.
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Warren owned that debate stage and captured the attention of millions of Americans who are about to vote in the primaries. She is utterly genuine, and holds a kind of strength that can take down plutocrats like Bloomberg ... or Trump.
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Elizabeth Warren's debate performance was stunning. She was a powerhouse. I'm so glad to see her in full form again. She's at her best when she holds nothing back.
I'll add, I'm now seeing many friends and family--including my husband--who have declared their support for Warren. I realize my observation is anecdotal, but I'm guessing this is a trend.
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Myself and all my friends and family (living throughout the country) are voting for Elizabeth! I think she is our answer to removing Trump from office and she will guide our country well!
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It's totally irresponsible for anyone to discount any of the leading candidates this early in the primary season. Super Tuesday is approaching. We'll get a far better idea of who is in the lead following that. Elizabeth Warren has everything it takes to defeat Donald Trump and be an excellent President.
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Elizabeth Warren pushed past boundaries long holding women in check, barring women from our rightful claim to express bluntly and angrily when appropriate. She nailed it, sliding onto home base in spite of the many opposing reasons to just sit pretty and play the role female candidates and women in general have been forced into for ages. I'm proud of her and I'm grateful. Of course it's not too late. I'm bored with these ridiculous notions of it being too late so early on in the campaign. I would hope every reputable news source out there and especially the NY Times would be reluctant to freeze a candidate out (or suggest/declare her done) who so clearly still has a strong voice in this race. She will so thoroughly rip Trump to shreds. She's got my vote. #PresidentElizabethWarren
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Are you guys a newspaper or a horoscope? I can't tell by that headline.
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Soooo tired of the media minimizing Warren. If she were a male candidate, the coverage would be completely different. “Too late”?? NYT do better
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EILI5 guys!..we've had Dems in 2 states out of 50 have their say and you have the unmitigated gall to say it may be "too late"? Get out of town! Only 4% of the country has had its say and polls are notoriously inaccurate at this point in the electoral "season". Just stop with this nonsense and let the rest of us vote.
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"Crushed the debate"?
How? Through personal under-the-belt attacks on a competitor who had the noblesse oblige not to remind her of her own pecadilloes (posing as a Native American, etc)? For a supposed policy wonk, there was no substance in Warren's barrage of personal takedowns.
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It’s about time someone brought attention to the outrageous overuse of Non-Disclosure Agreements. These “agreements” may be useful to protect intellectual property, but are mostly used to hide bad behavior or protect corporations and employers from employee backlash in case of fraudulent, criminal or scandalous actions by their bosses. Elizabeth Warren did the country a great service by bringing these un-American instruments of censorship into the light.
How are NDA’s even legal?
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True, her performance may not translate to votes, but it did haul in enough money to keep her campaign afloat.
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I just early voted for Warren in California and every friend of mine throughout the country tells me they are all in for Warren!
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Only 2% of delegates in does not mean it’s too late. She’s in third so far! I’m on Team Warren because her campaign is about caring first. She has fought her whole life for the little guy. Being a former Republican from Oklahoma is a strength: it shows her trajectory after hard study of what ails the middle class and it shows independents and Republicans how to change. Also, Republican administrations of Eisenhower and Ford were to the left economically and tax-wise of any administration since 1980. She is poised to fight Trump’s fascism better than anyone. Her economic plans are informed by the intersection of race and gender (including LGBT issues) more than anyone else’s. The choice in the primary is about who represents our values the best, not what others think or what the polls say. Being true to our personal values now will strengthen the nominee in the general election later.
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Elizabeth warren was AMAZING in this debate. I get goosebumps thinking about her as President. She’s got the heart and experience to fix what the GOP and trump have done to our government. I don’t know if anyone else on that stage has created a govt department based on standing up to corporate powers and ran it!!!!
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Is it too late? We’ve had two very small, highly unrepresentative states weigh in on this race, with 48 more states to go. Does the NYT understand math?
Elizabeth Warren was at the top of her game during the debate, which meant that she far outshone all other candidates on stage. She is clearly the smartest, most verbally quick, most fluent in the nuances of policy, is able to connect with voters on a personal level, and is principled when it comes to fundraising. Add to all of this her incredible stamina and energy on the campaign trail, she’s the one Democrat able to beat Trump. I myself had questions about that before I saw her live in Chicago back in June. But once I witnessed her energy and charisma in person, it was clear she would be able hogtie and discard Trump in a matter of seconds.
Elizabeth Warren is the Democratic candidate we need.
Anyone still questioning her “electability” needs to examine their own sexism or internalized sexism.
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Warren showed herself the toughest, smartest, most ready we've got. What more do we want?
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Elizabeth Warren killed it last night. She destroyed Mike Bloomberg and did damage to all the other candidates. The best communicator in the race, she did it with rhetorical skill and substance on the issues. She showed she will be a dangerous opponent for Trump.
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@Jenny I'm confused as to how "destroying Mike Blooberg" and doing "damage to all the other candidates" helps us pull together to defeat Donald Trump.
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Dear New York Times, How nice it would be if you reported on what was happening rather than trying to shape it again. "Is it too late?" isn't a question in a leading newspaper headline; it's a statement, and your job is not to report on the future or to try to shape it with manipulative language; it's to report on the past and the present. Maybe you should have died of shame for how you suppressed some facts (about the Russian intervention and Trump's criminal past), hyped others, and screeched about her emails endlessly in 2016 but since you didn't, please try to do better. And if this is because you hate women, please see a therapist and take a time out.
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Warren's scripted attack on Bloomberg in a debate where she was largely unchallenged hardly makes up for her past miserable debate performances and her inability to craft a coherent and consistent message. And pundits who are confused over why the candidates have not focused their attacks on Sanders, who is the front runner, I will explain. Sanders' base of support is static. They won't change that. But if the other candidates can knock off some of their rivals and whittle down the field, they will likely overtake Sanders.
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@cindy exactly.
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@cindy The mistake that Warren made several months ago was being too kind to other candidates who who attacked her with misleading ads paid by big money donors who are very scared of her tax billionaires wealth proposal. She and Sanders are absolutely right to reject Big Money donor funds because there's always a quid pro quid involved. Refusing to take big money donations and relying on millions of people to pay very modest amounts is the surest test that a candidate really stands with the majority of Americans interests.
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@cindy Except that he's been moving up in the polls and that doesn't fit the definition of static.
He does have a firm floor. But he also has some weaker support.
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Everyone I’ve spoken with, as well as myself felt Warren was terrible. No doubt she’s smart; but she came across as the annoying smart kid who always raises her hand and acts smug amongst her peers. After last night, I don’t think I could ever vote for her and she would annoy so many people in the general election that no one would want to vote for her.
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@HJ. I think the election of Bush II proved the folly of "who you'd prefer to have a beer with?" candidate parsing.
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@HJ I’m confused—don’t we want the smart kid with all the answers as our leader? That’s who I’d want to work with and learn from.
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Everyone I spoke to thought Elizabeth Warren was fabulous! She energized us. She energized the Democratic Party. A rhetorical genius, a woman with a plan, she started a government agency, understands economics as well as the smartest minds, is extremely smart and well-spoken, and will defeat Trump.
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I am very glad to welcome back the Elizabeth Warren who seemed to have gone missing on the campaign trail. Her take down of Mike Bloomberg was righteous, relentless, and on target. (And she even took time to show solidarity for a flummoxed Klobuchar.)
Meanwhile Bloomberg put out a manipulated video making it look as if he had trounced the debate competition. He is shown saying something and then it cuts to the sound of crickets and shots of his opponents looking like he's crushed each of them - but the footage of them are from other parts of the debate when they were reacting to things which Bloomberg had no part in! Unbelievable!
I like Warren's policy wonkiness, her priorities, and her willingness to adapt to reality checks And exposing Bloomberg does us all a big favor.
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Candidates like Warren are part of the reason for the rise of the alt-right.
Her “woke” attack on Bloomberg illustrated it perfectly.
If things Bloomberg may have said in the past disqualifies him from being the president, than perhaps the majority of us should be disqualified from being U.S. citizens in a Warren administration.
...or perhaps Warren should be disqualified from representing Americans, most of whom have said it done regrettable things at some point in their past.
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Warren crushes it, crushed Bloomberg and everyone on the stage. If you can’t stand Donald Trump, if you want a candidate that has proven she can take it to him. If you want to see him beaten and defeated, intellectually, morally, and electorally, a candidate has emerged, her name is Elizabeth Warren.
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Very instructive to see the difference in tone between NYT Picks and Readers’ Picks in the comments. It’s really getting old, having the media drive the conversation in it’s own, pro-business direction.
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Equating Bloomberg's treatment of women with Trump's is a seedy backroom tactic.
Same as "letting slip" a private conversation with Bernie.
It's repulsive enough to drive votes to Trump.
Incidentally I don't believe Bloomberg mistreated any women. America is lawyer-crazy and as a billionaire that works with his employees he's a "large target".
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Is it too late? Boy, I hope so.
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The clickbait headline of the online version of this article is yet another example of news media working overtime to create a negative narrative about Warren. We are two tiny, white states into the race. She had the best night of the campaign. Her fundraising has surged. Heck no, it’s not “too late”! This is far too reminiscent of the “first, second, fourth” reporting that attempted to erase Warren from the news cycle after Iowa and NH. Pay attention.
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This headline understands the same accurate math that the Bloomberg campaign has been trying to illuminate. Yes, only two states have voted,and yes, Bernie is poised to become unstoppable in his path to nomination. And I agree with the Bloomberg campaign; a Bernie nomination would be a disaster. So to all the commenters harping on how early it still is in this race, aside from the issue of Warren's obnoxious, hectoring behavior the other night, it probably is too late.
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This article asks the wring question. The true question is: “Is Donald Trump Scared?”. Elizabeth’s performance at the debate was fantastic. She demonstrated exactly how she will go after Donald Trump and expose him for the corrupt coward that he is. I’ve always been supporting Elizabeth and now I will support her more. Her performance gave me a bolt of energy and I am excited to be in this fight with her!
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I see several comments recommending a Sanders/Warren ticket. My feeling is that we need more age balance. If we nominate an older presidential candidate, s/he should be balanced by someone younger in the VP slot.
My own choice for president among the Democrats is Warren. I resonated strongly to Paul Krugman’s defense of her for standing up to the bullies of Wall St. and spearheading formation of the Consumer Protection Board.
Please try to avoid falling into the “shrill bitch” trap where females are judged more harshly than males for their statements.
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Two small white states have held primaries, one with a totally botched outcome, another with only a handful of delegates at stake — and the question now asked of Warren: “is it too late?”
What is wrong with this picture?
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@Rip It does sound like the media and Democratic Party want her to be invisible. I cannot understand why Klobuchar was presented as a winner when she came in third place but Warren was criticized as a loser when she came in third place.
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@Rip I’m with you 100%! It feels similar to gerrymandering.
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@Rip She's fallen quite a bit in the polls. And I'm talking about national polls. We still have a lot of candidates, more than is typical at this stage.
It’s absolutely not too late for Warren and the media’s general erasure of her in the last number of weeks not only inexcusable but damaging to country and party. Thursday night she went and effectively made her case for why she will be the only person in this race to not only win by not being the only candidate with a legitimate implantation strategy for bi-partisan-ly palatable progressive policies that Bernie and others discuss but have no real plan for, but also by having plans to effectively working across the aisle (while some candidates boast this mantra as campaign propaganda Warren is the only candidate with the prowess and experience to do so). Her “tearing down” Bloomberg it any of the other candidates was not aggressive, it was her stating the facts and making her case. That’s what the electorate deserves. Bloomberg simply should have been better prepared to defend his record or make amends. Money cannot buy you out of that on a presidential debate stage.
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Elizabeth Warren really stood out at the debate. She came across as someone who is unafraid, who has bold ideas for how to bring about real change in Washington, and who will absolutely destroy Trump in a general election. She’s the opposite of Trump in every way (smart, thoughtful, caring) and I’m thinking that’s the contrast Democrats need in November. She earned my vote, for sure.
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I am so fed up with the 'mainstream' media not providing EQUAL time to Ms. Warren's presidential bid. The equation of 'electability' plus 'white male' equals 'president' is as trite and worn out as the buffoon currently residing in the white house.
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Elizabeth Warren spoke truth to power exposing Bloomberg's fault lines which we cannot afford in a race against Trump. She was forceful, articulate and witty. Please don't forget she has plenty of practice going up against the big wealthy corporate welfare kings. She knows what it takes and she's got what it takes. Thank you, Elizabeth. I'm voting for you in the primary.
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I believe the country needs a leader who will unite us, or at least consider opposing points of view. It is obvious that Elizabeth Warren is not that person. If she knifes and guts members of her own party to gain an advantage, I see no hope that she would be able to reach out to moderate Republicans to gain a critical mass of citizen support for anything she wants to do. Bloomberg should have been better prepared, but that does not diminish what her attack revealed about Warren.
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Warren acted more like a moderator than the moderators did. Why does she get to pose the questions and demand answers?
Not a good look at all.
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Warren was absolutely effective during the debate. She expertly communicated her positions and contrasted herself with the other candidates. She rightly took Michael Bloomberg to task and exposed his smooth talking points about the NDAs he had women sign as well as his disingenuous non-apology for stop and frisk. She’s a rhetorical genius on the debate stage, backed with an unparalleled depth of knowledge about the subjects she discusses. I can’t wait to see her take down Donald Trump the same way.
Besides that, she was able to demonstrate her understanding of how people of color are disproportionately harmed by existing structures (such as the racial entrepreneurship gap due to lack of capital) and explain how her plans included targeted strategies to chip away at those barriers. Those aspects of her plans deserve a lot more attention.
She’s proven herself to be the candidate that her supporters have always known her to be. As the author pointed out in the article, the New Hampshire debate had an impact on voters’ ultimate decisions in that primary, and I believe that this debate will have an impact on the results in Nevada and beyond.
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As an undecided primary voter who is voting on Tuesday, I watched the debates hoping for clarity. I got it. I’m choosing Warren. She is progressive (but not too lefty), tough (her opening comment was a killer), informed and articulate. I finally have my candidate! I believe she can do the job (defeat Trump)
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She crushed it as an attack dog. She was the initiator of the circular firing squad and nasty brawl, and the nastiest of them all. Mike Bloomberg actually looked the most presidential, staying above the gotcha attacks. Fo me the decision will come down to Klobuchar or Bloomberg. Bernie is too left, Elizabeth is too mean, Pete is too green and glib, and Joe, well he looks like the old uncle at the dining room table who has seen better days.
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Warren was on fire! Just the person we need to take on Trump! I’m with her all the way!
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I love Warren—she is not afraid to tell it like it is in a way that has broad appeal. People are angry and tired of how unfair our system has become, and Warren is the one who can harness this to do good.
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So, the greatest hits of of a single candidate in one debate is what passes for political reporting. Spectator democracy, with its inherent ridiculousness, has ruined what’s left of our country. It’s no coincidence that the trends of the exponential increase in tribes, ill-informed partisans as well as apathetic non-voters tracks the influence of mass advertising and the hollowing out of the middle class who absurdly keep buying stuff from countries where their outsourced jobs now enrich other people’s children. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people and you’ll never be poor. The fact that Nixon and Kissinger have their fingerprints all over the “opening” of China and Clinton’s fingerprints are all over it’s admission to the WTO as well as his NAFTA farce says it all. The party system has been consumed by the oligarchy thus the failure of our democracy. Do tell what the latest sound bite is, it’s so much more entertaining.
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Why? Because she spent the debate attacking fellow Democrats instead of Donald? All she did was regurgitate what was in the news all week. I was disappointed in her.
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No, it's not too late.
"It always seems impossible until it's done."
Nelson Mandela
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I thought Warren performed brilliantly at the Las Vegas debate on Thursday. She has been virtually erased by many news outlets, including this paper, despite a lukewarm co-endorsement by the Times' editorial board earlier this year. She was bold, sharp and addressed critical problems with Bloomberg's candidacy that would certainly be highlighted in a race against Trump. She showed a combination of grit, intelligence, and courage.
As others have noted, the title for this piece adds to my criticism of your and other news outlets' attempt to sensationalize on the one hand and predetermine outcomes on the other hand. It is in no way too late after only 2% of delegates have been counted. Even if Warren has not gotten to voters in Nevada in time, might you have the patience to wait until Super Tuesday when so much more is at stake? Social media was abuzz yesterday following her remarkable performance and capacity to speak both to policy and demonstrated her political prowess.
Again and again, we hear that we need a powerful, passionate and inspiring candidate to take on Trump in 2020.In my view, we have that candidate in Warren.
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@Suzieb3 I meant to write Wednesday, not Thursday night.
It’s not “too late”.
Stop with the negative headlines about women candidates.
Warren can and will win.
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Well, I couldn’t stand her so much I had to mute her for much of the debate. She is disingenuous and fake. Her attacks ran hollow throughout the debate. Her candidacy fell apart weeks ago because people agree with me, an independent moderate.
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Warren did not crush the debate. She did what she does best. She knows she has lost her shine so she must do what she does best, drag down all others to push them below her own standing. There is no way she can push herself back up to the top on merit, so she is focused on bringing everyone else so much down that she emerges as the winner.
But her tactics will not work for her Medicare plan is financially unviable. Plus she is not leader enough to admit that her original plan is impractical.
In this last debate Bloomberg was attacked the most proving that he is the top choice in their minds. Bloomberg has baggage, but who doesn't? Bernie and Warren's real baggage are their past mediocre records and their current unviable Medicare and other plans. Biden's baggage is even more serious. He is an opportunist. When it suited him he worked with his segregationist mentors and threw Blacks under the bus. Even as VP for 8 long years he made no attempts to undo his damage. Blacks are hurting to this day. Just imagine he has hurt and destroyed innumerable Black lives that are continuing to suffer. Now he has wrapped himself in Obama's good deeds toward Blacks. Biden has crossed similar red lines as Bloomberg. Bloomberg has at least compensated those offended. Biden has not even admitted his mistakes.
Bloomberg is not a spinner but an accomplished achiever. His baggage needs to be overlooked to enable the most deserving talent to take charge to make America better than ever before.
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It is devastating that the rhetoric of political debate has devolved so determinedly to below-the-belt gotcha tactics purely for cheap applause. And even more terrifying that the normalization if this has become so widely embraced by the media and the public. If Warren has anything of substantial value to offer in the debate she should stick to it, and win or lose on the merits of her positions, not cheap shots, as should every political candidate if they want our legitimate respect. I was behind Warren prior to this debate. After this, I’ve lost so much respect for her I really don’t know if I could ever support her. Unfortunately I don’t feel much more confidence about any other politician today, on either side of the aisle. This is without question the scariest and most depressing time in US political history, when there is no legitimate cause to completely trust, respect, or support a single politician in either party. These are supposed to be our leaders, people we look up to, yet I cannot think of another group of individuals more shameful, ineffectual, clearly self-serving, and reprehensible than US politicians. Every single one of them. These positions used to represent our citizens’ loftiest aspirations. Given the current state of affairs I would sooner see my daughter aspire to a career in porn than to be a state senator.
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She crushed the stage and did her in at the same time.
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Her attacks on Bloomberg took me aback & I felt she just allowed Bernie to blow by her by not attacking him... unless she’s already conceded to Bernie the n a deal where she’ll be his running mate... looks pretty obvious to me because she helped herself zero but gave Bernie a great victory in the debate. Her catty vindictive attitude, much like that of Trumps attacks on Dems only served to hurt the whole field. But it’s obvious she wS a woman scorned and clearly Bloomberg’s hurt her in National polling the worst. Him at 19% her at 10%... that was a demonstration folks of how vindictive, unprofessional and quick tempered she’d be as President. I made donations to her campaign but I struck her from my list last night. She’s a professional orator speaking and debating her whole life as a professor and only recently involved the n government. We all know why professors are professors.. because they can’t cut it in the corporate world. With her my way or the highway attitude it’s obvious she could never have managed people with n a business environment... she’d have made so many enemies they’d been rid of her before she ever got to middle management. No savvy, only anger. I like some of her ideas but professors always had great ideas but they pitch them in a perfect world and things that could never be implemented in the real world. I’m sticking with Bloomberg for one reason... Many many Republicans that hate Trump will vote for him in droves. He’s by far the LEAST RISKY CANDIDATE
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Warren raised 5 million in the 24 hours since the debate. It behooves Bloomberg to give her another 5 million in appreciation of her exquisite take-down of him.
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Why does Bloomberg have this ‘mystic’ aura of being so electable? He is completely out of touch and tone deaf. He will connect with very few voters. And getting slapped around all night by Elizabeth Warren made him look very weak. He is wasting his money. Warren looked much tougher than him. People don’t follow a weak leader.
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Of course she crushed the debate but that is exactly the problem with her campaign. She argues the opposition into submission and believes that because logic and reason are on her side, she has come out ahead. In fact, she is disliked as a candidate exactly because of her aggressive tone and how she seems to bully and humiliate her opponents.
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She is unemotional, smart, hard-working, and a policy wonk. I choose her over any of those running against her. She and Castro will invigorate the Democratic electorate.
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Elizabeth Warren reminds me of the women in corporate HR departments who never produce anything useful, but who are full of self-righteous opinions about the behavior of those who do.
I can see how she might appeal to a certain type of person, and how such a person might genuinely believe that Ms. Warren “crushed” her opponents. I doubt, however, that this opinion is universally shared.
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Why do people continue to expect a debate between Trump and the Democratic nominee?
Tyrants and dictators don’t do debates. There isn’t going to be one.
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Warren is the pitbull Democrats need to fight Trump (and answer his tweets), hope she gets nominated!
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Too little too late. While Warren had one good debate she has has to much baggage and her support in the progressive community has dwindled. Why? First she was a Republican until the age of 46 supporting Nixon Reagan. Second, she attempted to pull off a hoax on the American public pretending to be Native American going so far as to allow the administration at Harvard to list her as a faculty of color. Opportunist. Third, she backtracked on her commitment to Universal health care like a "reed in the wind" politician. Four she attempted to defame Bernie Sanders as a "sexist" who didn't believe a woman could be President. Slandering a social democrat who has been the leading force for progressive politics in the United State for decades. Five she agreed not to take money from PACs and now in another act of crass opportunism is taking PAC money. These acts are a series of incidents that reflect a fatal character flaw. Tio Bernie (as he is affectionately referred to by Latinos) has created a truly multiracial, multi-generational coalition which is why he has won Iowa, New Hampshire, will win Nevada, and is at 45 percent in California. The best thing Warren could do when she comes to the conclusion that, because she has all this baggage she cannot carry the banner of progressive politics, in this election should withdraw and endorse Sanders thereby consolidating the progressive community.
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Many of my Trump friends love this and I can see why. Warren is brilliant as a professor, but her attacks on Bloomberg is a rage women have against powerful and successful men. All the Bernie/Warrenites really believe she gave it to him! The look on Bloomberg's face is the pain that the Socialist-elite Democratic Party is working to re-elect Donald Trump. Warren is now auditioning to be Sanders's running mate. Bloomberg has done more acts of kindness than self-serving Sanders or Warren ever have done. Democrats are panicking, but I am prepared: Trump will win, Ginsburg will get replaced by another one of Warren's favorite men, and the world will be a terrible place thanks to Warren's nonsense savage attacks on Bloomberg. It must feel so good to be right all the time.
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Who won the Democratic debate?
Donald Trump did and he wasn’t even there.
How?
The candidates beat up on each other instead of discussing and focusing how each one could beat Trump. A circular firing squad won’t win the Presidency.
Las Vegas was a strategic blunder. A Pyrrhic victory for whoever you thought won that night.
What is a Pyrrhic victory? You win the battle but still lose the war.
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Yes... A day late and a dollar short...
So the primary qualification to be President of the United States is the ability to verbally joust with others? Once elected, is that what is going to best serve the citizenry? The current office holder is very skilled at verbal attacks and look where that has taken our very divided country. I prefer a uniter. I’m so tired of our “leaders” attacking each other.
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Warren hurled unfair attacks against Bernie. I respect attacks that are true but hers were not.
Also she claimed that a candidate has to be responsible for his/her supporters. Does not make sense. When you have 10 million supporters, you will be responsible for all of them? No. You don't own or control your supporters.
Warren can’t catch Sanders. It’s as simple as that.
If it’s Sanders, you may as well have a Sanders / Warren ticket. Putting a moderate next to Sanders will do no good.
I’d love to see either Sanders or Warren as President. But I’m apparently much to “liberal” for America, which is why I’m leaving. Not going to waste any more life in this sad country than I have to.
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I would very much like to see Elizabeth Warren on the ticket--in either position.
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"Crushing the debate" does not necessarily equate to success at the ballot box.
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I think this nomination is now between Sanders and Bloomberg and everyone else can pack up and go home! Sanders has the supporters and ground-swell, and Bloomberg can and will buy his way into the convention. Sanders does have financial campaign health, but not like Bloomberg. Bloomberg wants this nomination...the DNC wants him to have it...and they will both try to block Sanders from victory. Will they succeed?
Warren has been lagging in the polls. That's all that matters. Not "winning" the debate. Not attacking Bloomberg because he has more resources than her. No discussion of the issues, just trying to take Bloomberg out. She's not coming across as that likeable, leaning towards mania with her "energy." Lets see how the voting goes.
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It is sad that Ms Warren success was based on having the most effective attacks. One of the people on that stage will be the Democratic nominee for the most powerful office on earth. Each of them profess to first and foremost wanting to beat President Trump, and also profess to want to get things done. If they want to acheive their goals, should they not be building each other up?
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Would be very enthusiastic about a Warren/Sanders or a Sanders/Warren ticket, but I think that we'll end up having Bloomberg or Buttigieg foisted upon us.
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After the NH primary, the Times ran what amounted to an obituary for Warren's candidacy and all praise was heaped on Amy Klobuchar. I cautioned not to count Warren out, that she might get a second wind. Now a couple of weeks later, the media is praising Warren for her performance in the Nevada debate and dissing Klobuchar. They are the same people; they did not change their policies or their characters. Why is so much credence given by the media to one debate? Sometimes people perform well and sometimes not. Some candidates, like Beto O'Rourke did not do well in the debate format and was quickly dismissed. Surely there are better ways to evaluate a candidate's worth than how they "perform" on the debate stage.
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Let me be brief, and crystal clear. If you really watched the entire Debate, paid attention, and can judge fairly: Warren was the runaway Winner. If you can’t quite admit that, you’re hopelessly in love with your pretty Pony, confused or flat out misogynistic.
Choose.
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@Phyliss Dalmatian You sound like you might be Elizabeth Warren's sister. Everyone has to agree with you or be labeled a fascist or a woman hater. I never knew Native Americans were so intolerant.
Whether she won the debate or not, she has none of the qualities I want in a president. She's a self-righteous know-it-all with no charisma, no sense of humor and no ability to preside over a meeting of opposing minds. She's the last person capable of beating Donald Trump.
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@Phyliss Dalmatian I am sick of the phrases “circular firing squad,”, “democracy is messy”, calling anybody who doesn’t like one of the women candidates “misogynistic, “ and of people naming the candidate who is just going to “shred”Trump in the debates, in which he won’t be participating. I am also sick of the media and everybody else telling me who won the debate. I am perfectly capable of deciding who comes closest to what I am looking for in a president. I don’t need the N.Y. Times to do that for me.
Everybody on this panel had their own opinion of first and last. What is the point? Stephens, the token conservative loves Amy, she gets 10 out of 10. He doesn’t like much about Warren. Maureen Dowd comes closest to my own opinion, both Amy and Warren are at the bottom of her list.
Vote for the candidate of your choice, but drop the shrillness and name calling, just because others see something different in the candidates than you do. It turns people away from your candidate. It doesn’t win them votes.
Remember how well “deplorable” worked for Clinton.
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Absolutely horrid performance by Elizabeth Warren. Reading your analysis of how she "crushed" the debate reminded me of times I saw a miserable play on Broadway on opening night and then read a rave review.
Hard for me to believe the reviewer and I were in the same audience. She confused a fellow candidate in her own party for the "enemy". No, Mrs. Warren, Mike Bloomberg is NOT Donald Trump.And your fellow rival in the primary is NOT your rival in the election. Good Lord!
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I mean, her whole campaign premise is taking on oligarchs buying political influence and Bloomberg is a textbook definition of an oligarch buying political influence.
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@Nancy Sculerati MD Absolutely agree. Debates should not be about crushing, but about elucidating policy differences. I thought she hurt herself as well as Bloomberg. I prefer someone who is thoughtful and balanced, and she comes off as very judgmental.
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True. Bloomberg isn’t Trump. He is a competent version of Donald Trump. Which makes him even more dangerous.
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Good God, gentlemen: who is your headline writer? Is this the best your paper can do? How many delegates are still up for grabs, and the headline is "But is it too late?" This reads like a tabloid headline. Do better, please.
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@T.B.
It’s not widely known, but writing headlines is a separate job from reporting.
Given headlines are all most people read on their newsfeeds, if one really wanted to influence voters, the most efficient strategy would be to buy favors from these folks.
Headlines like this make you wonder if others haven’t figured this out.
I thought Warren was vicious, opportunistic and calculating when she attacked Bloomberg last night. I also question her judgement and honesty. For example, she said Bloomberg hides his taxes when he released his tax records every year he was the mayor of NYC- and he promises to release current tax info soon. In addition, she described 30 year old allegations about things he supposedly said regarding women as facts.
Warren was similarly disingenuous when she previously attacked Sanders alleging he told her a woman could not win the presidency. I’m not a Bernie fan but I doubt he believes a woman can’t win and believe he either never said what Warren alleges or she intentionally took his comments out of context.
Furthermore, when she attacks Mayor Pete for “sucking up to billionaires” I’m offended by the character assignation- and I’m also not a fan of Buttigieg. By the way, Maggie Severn wrote an 11/18/19 article for Politico describing Warren’s own ties to big money donors.
In my opinion, Warren’s rants are too often cheap smears. I suspect others share my sentiments and this is why her poll numbers are not very good. I am pretty much an anybody but Trump voter but I would have a difficult time voting for Warren in November because of her personae, which comes off as insincere.
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Baby Billionaire Bloomberg can’t stand up for himself. He has to pay people to do it for him. All of that talk by his supporters about him eating Trump alive has gone out the window. Now he is a poor little victim because big bad Elizabeth was mean to him instead of giving him a free pass when he bought his way into the debate and doesn’t deserve to be there. Poor little guy.
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I'm a Democratic-leaning independent who absolutely did not vote for Trump in 2016, nor ever would. For the past few weeks, I've been leaning toward Klobuchar or Buttigieg. However, all those debates where each person is allowed only about one minute to respond, do not provide sufficient info. Instead, it's all showmanship.
Then came Thursday's town hall with Biden and then Warren and both of them were a welcome relief. They were both so articulate, both possessed significant historical and current knowledge of all the issues. I decided that Warren is the most likely to be able to top Trump during debates, thus winning the election in November. If I had to vote tomorrow, I'd vote for Warren. Sorry not to vote for Biden, but Warren, with her strong legal mind, can best beat Trump.
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Her attacks on Bloomberg seemed focused and pre-meditated. But the way she lashed out, self-righteously, at everyone on that stage makes me nervous about empowering her with the US military (just as Trump worries me in another way). Her lack of honesty about herself is the real problem here. It's not just her tax bracket; it's pretty much everything. She's not "a teacher".... she's a Harvard Law School Professor! I doubt she thinks were that dumb. She just seems to be on autopilot.
After the NH debate, I saw her interviewed by five or six moderators where she excoriated "the rich", again and again. NO ONE there said a word during this righteous display, no one asked her, "how long have YOU been a millionaire"... maybe 40 years, since her days as a Republican? No one there said a word because no one there does their shopping at Dollar General. No one there has to leave items at the register that they can't afford. And this is why the working class in her own state and now across the country steers clear of Warren.
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She did very well. I can now envision her successfully debating The Donald.
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@Mary
Dictators just don’t do debates. And Trump has already signaled that he won’t.
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Do not understand how attacking Bloomberg helps her defeat Sanders . Similar to Chris Christie savaging Marco Rubio in 2016 which got him nothing. Am I missing something here?
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@Harry My guess is her strategy is first take votes from the vulnerable moderates. Then when she shows Bernie supporters that she's a legit candidate then try to entice them to her side. Loyal Bernie followers won't leave him at this stage.
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@Harry
Grest analogy. Political power seems to be a good motivator.
Her entire campaign is premised on fighting oligarchs that buy political influence... so yeah I think you are missing something glaringly obvious.
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All these people want to use the government to change wealth distribution, we need to change society first. Society needs to value each other .
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The overall winner from all the debates thus far is Elizabeth Warren. She’s been high, low and in between, always recovering. She has no choice but to be a party to misogynistic attacks and demeaning, especially when she has been on the attack. But she never stands and quivers. I get the sense she knows enough Not to take things personally, which may be the very hardest thing of all. I ask everyone to rewatch the debates beginning after she destroys Bloomberg. Note that Biden and other men jump in. Biden actually is quivering with anger. Yet you will note that not a soul takes Biden or any male candidate to task for attacking Bloomberg. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner. Elizabeth Warren prevailed. The others did their best to compensate, and or defend. But I believe even Bernie did not come close.
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@GGram Do you base your vote solely on whether a person is a good debater? She may won on points, but as many here point out, she was vicious, personalistic and judgmental, not the characteristics most of us what in a president. This is the reason that she has no traction.
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I have tried to like Sen. Warren and cover my ears when her really annoying style has grated like proverbial finger nails on a blackboard.
What did she “win” last night by verbally assaulting her fellow Dems with loud mouthed puritanical rants? I thought she was awful...destructive and very much not... presidential.
Mike Bloomberg held off on running because he is 77 years old... not the time in life when one normally decides to become president. He also held off because he is truly doing a great deal of good in fighting for gun control and against climate change. He entered the race and is now trying very hard to beat down the truly hideous individual who is pretending to be our president and screwing up just about everything. Why didn’t Sen Warren praise Mike for his willingness to try to remove trump as well as his many substantive accomplishments and ongoing efforts on behalf of the people of our country? That would have been a classy move on her part. Instead she went weirdly apoplectic and “eviscerated” him... one reporter wrote? Ummm...Not really....Mike will be back. Count on it.
trump has got to be beaten decisively in November... the stakes are very big for our country and the world. The Democrats can lead the way but they have to first have to be lucky enough to nominate a real leader.
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Warren's attacks against Bloomberg were effective in pounding Bloomberg, but did not do anything for Warren's candidacy. She needed to take away support from Bernie, not Bloomberg. Warren is flaming out, meanwhile taking Bloomberg with her. Bye bye to a couple of miserable, tone-deaf campaigns.
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@Dave Oedel How do you know that. It earned her campaign their biggest payday, so it helped at least somewhat.
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@steve
Angry people hearing Warren channel their anger will give more to fuel their rage, but that is not a path to nomination for Warren. Voters in general want someone and solid things to believe in, not raw anger, hatred of other Dem candidates, and myriad plans that are both incomprehensible and unaffordable.
Warren is toast.
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NO its not too late.
If she stops the virtue signalling about immigration.
That simple.
Tough in immigration she will win.
Easy as that.
@scientella
“Virtue signaling about immigration “?
So is objecting to the kidnapping of children and treating people running from life threatening situations like animals a bad thing now?
It really doesn’t take a whole lot of virtue to object to that.
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All the so-called frontrunners right now, except Biden, have had troubles making inroads with black voters. That includes Sanders, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Warren, and Bloomberg. While they might appeal to the core Dems crowds, they have yet to break through to the moderate and disenfranchised Republicans, whom Biden (and Yang) have been able to appeal to.
The 2016 election was lost due to the small handful of swing states leaning to Trump. Sanders/Klobuchar/Warren/Buttigieg have yet to show me that they can flip these voters. Without these few states, Dems are going to lost 2020 again, even if it might garner more popular votes. But what's the point of winning the popular contest when you lose in electoral college?
Personally I don't give a rat about endorsements. Klobuchar could be a good veep pick, but I don't see big vision from her. Sanders' socialist stance is going to hand the election handily to Trump, same goes with Warren. Buttigieg gets biggest contrast from Trump, but far-right conservatives will never side with him. Biden, lethargic as his campaign is, is still the safest bet. Bloomberg is smart in floating the idea of picking HRC on his ticket which will be a sure win. And although Bloomberg bungled in the latest debate, his massive ad campaign can still prop him up. And with Bloomberg's massive wealth, he's the ONLY one that Trump is unable to talk him down, except to mock his short stature.
I like a ticket of Biden/Klobuchar, or Bloomberg/HRC. Focus on Nov.
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@tiddle Why should Pete care about far right Conservatives? They won't vote for any Dem candidate.
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Some thoughts:
Nearly 70,000 people in Nevada took advantage of early voting - they voted BEFORE last night's debate. It will be interesting to see how those votes were cast, as well as how they are interpreted and spun by the candidates. Would any early voter vote differently after watching the debate?
Tom Steyer was not on the debate stage, but is still in the Nevada caucus. His ads are continuing to run in the Carolinas. No presence no press, but is that good or bad?
I still see Gabbard signs in SC. What if she manages a surprising finish in SC?
Klobuchar's anger showed. Reports of how she treated employees and staffers came to mind and it was not a good look . I feel Warren originally started losing momentum after asking Sanders if he had called her a liar on national TV. While Trump can seemingly say or do anything, coming across as both did make them appear emotionally fragile. Trump will delight in getting under their skin.
Bloomberg was hit, but how he performs in the NEXT debate in SC will matter more. Expect him to be on the offensive Tuesday. If he wins the last debate before Super Tuesday, his money and momentum will make voters forget last night.
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Warren came across as a high school kid sounding off a tantrum about everything that would good to have with disregard what is already in place, and if not in place, why hasn't it been implemented. No thought at all from this high school kid about what is feasible and functional: but she is appealing to the democratic mainstream and there is no need for that. She crushed herself.
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Pretty sad state of affairs if she really got such public support for her scorched earth display last night, attacking everyone in sight as if everyone's house is made of glass, but hers. From my understanding Warren received around 10 million in big donor/PAC money for her faux senate campaign that she transferred to her presidential campaign and then got another 10 million of similarly sourced funding for this campaign, all before renouncing such money (and never offering to return it or transfer it to a general fund for democratic candidates). She then (correctly) attacks others for harvesting such "quid pro quos" - without mentioning her own 20 million! Unless I'm overlooking something, this shows incredible audacity.
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I see a number of comments disavowing Warren because she was pugnacious last night. That's hard to fathom because The Democrats need someone who can bring the skills Warren showed to the debate stage with Donald Trump. It feels like a double standard at work, that she is getting flak because she is, ironically, a skilled debater.
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@Martha Reis
No, she's getting flack for being opportunistic, hypocritical and maybe a bit irate. Buttigieg, on the other hand, deserves to catch flak for being a skilled debator that make points and wins arguments without listening or learning much.
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Agreed but then go after Trump not vicious attacks against your own! She helped Trump- unforgivable
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What is Wrong with You People?
She imbues a sense of "(Sense and Sensibility)". It works, she is a measured intelligent and a real person.
I just donated!
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In no way do I think Elizabeth Warren nailed anything. She was totally unglued. I like my candidates to rise above the fray. She didn’t at all. Elizabeth and Bernie sounded like another side of the Trump planet.
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The Wizard of Bloomberg just had the curtain pulled by Toto, revealing the arrogant little man behind all those commercials.
Except it wasn't Toto pulling the curtain. It was Liz Warren.
Well, at this point she has no fewer delegates than no Turbo Tax Mike. Maybe Mike will offer her a job and a nondisclosure agreement to drop out.
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"Too late?"
Between 65% and 75% of Democratic voters have expressed a preference for candidates other than Bernie Sanders. He cannot go into the Democratic convention with a third or fewer delegates committed to him and expect to win the nomination. The lack of a winner on the first round of voting at the convention allows super-delegates to begin voting (which was how Bernie wanted it). To expect that the super-delegates will vote for a candidate who will be slaughtered by Trump in the fall is a fool's errand.
For those not familiar with the election of 1972, it is time to get out the history books. Elizabeth is far from being out of the running.
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@Tom Q
Bernie and his supporters wanted NO super-delegates. This was a forced compromise.
I think you mean '68, not '72. Milwaukee might want to prep a little.
Lester Holt encouraged "..each each of you to directly engage with each other on the issues." And what ensued was not a debate but an uncivilized feeding frenzy. Interruptions, berating each other and especially Warren after Bloomberg. It was a disgrace. It made for a great reality show watching people unleash their wrath on each other. I was looking for an actual civilized debate the issues and facts. It wasn't there. The Democrats had better get their collective act together and present a modicum of respect for each other with the desire to displace Trump. I saw a school yard scrap heap instead.
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Warren needs to get and maintain traction in order to have a chance. She rises in the polls but then shoots herself in the foot somehow. First it was the Native heritage issue, then the exorbitant cost of "Medicare for All" - she needs to rise, and then just stay there and not do or say something silly that blows it again. I do think she's way better than Sanders, when she's not blowing it.
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Bloomberg supporters/bots are feeling very prickly today. He wasn't prepared. She was. Deal with it. She didn't do anything wrong. Warren takes down Billionaires. It's what she does. Nothing she said should have come to a surprise.
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Warren was vicious and over the top in her abusive attacks on Bloomberg.To me,her delivery was akin to nails on a blackboard .
As a Democrat I found the whole debate to be a food fight with little substance and I thought Bloombergs comments on its ridiculous nature to be spot on.
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She didn’t crush me. I’ve always found Warren distasteful.
And even though I loathe Trump, she absolutely owns the Pocahontas nickname. Where did she come up with that doozy about being Native.
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Is it too late? It is the third primary/caucus. It is the first in a state with a less than 90% white population. She is ahead of Klobuchar and Buttigieg in the national polls. It may be too late after Super Tuesday, but it is not too late today.
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Warrren crushed the debate? It's a matter of opinion.
For me, she was a complete turn-off. All that squawking and attacking of Bloomberg with unfounded claims disqualifies her from ever getting my vote.
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Unfounded? Which claims?
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Debates are a waste, the press loves to hear the gotchas , I think it’s a horrible way to select a President. People attacking decent people to make themselves look good only to get attacked and judged themselves, it all sickening really. It’s worse than a reality TV show because reality TV has become reality. And in the end , voters don’t get a chance, everyone drops out before half the country voted all based on what , how they did in Iowa? Why Iowa? Why not California, New York, Texas, Illinois , New Jersey? All states should vote on the same day, whittle the field to three and vote a second time two months later. The top two could be pres and vp? Just cause I vote for Bernie doesn’t mean I dont like joe, or Elizabeth or Bloomberg. They are all good , why do they have to rip each other apart. Let’s just vote and move on.
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It seems to me she's on time all the time. Go Sen. Warren!
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Shouldn’t Trump have been the common enemy and person to beat up on last night?
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@Tio Sam They can't all win the primary. They have to compete against each other, too.
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Welcome back Lizzie! I have known schoolmarms. They were all intelligent, well-prepared women. They were fair and demanded the best of you. Go Warren!
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One piece of advice for Warren. When you win the nomination at get to debate Bozo, he will stalk you while you are interacting with the audience.
When he looms over you, turn around and tell him to sit down and stop stalking you. Embarrass the bully, confront him.
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@Svirchev
I don't know about here, but people many seem to be looking for a presidential candidate to help them relive bad experiences... like in some Quentin Tarantino movie.
Two teeny states have voted/caucused. One didn't know exactly what was going on with its results, at that. For all the hand-wringing about how Iowa and NH shouldn't be allowed to choose the nominees, I think this year they absolutely did not. Why aren't more people excited about that as they go to vote for Super Tuesday?
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Oh, my God. I am so trilled to see Elizabeth Warren gaining ground in the primaries. She is very much a liberal and she is so smart and so congenial that I wonder why so many voters are followers of Sanders. Warren's platforms and policies are extremely well thought out and her demeanor is congenial when she means to be and tough when she needs to be.
Warren is Bernie minus the anger. She has other emotions as well. Warren was a member of the lower middle class constantly on the verge of being shuffled down to the level of poverty.
Warren's life as a politician came about because she learned through her study of the bankruptcy laws and through her understanding of what those laws were doing to middle-class people. It is only at that point the Warren became a Democrat. ( She had always been an Oklahoma republican). She understood at that point which party represented workers and I am grateful that she arrived at the need to support Democratic candidates and even to be one herself.
It isn't just luck that put Warren in the camp of the Democrats, It was her understanding of which party represented working people, in fact most of us who are scraping by just to make ends meet.
I so look forward to awakening of the Democrats to the treasure we have received from Warren's decision to join the Democratic party and to fight to bring working class people into the struggle to create a legal system that represents all of us, not just the 1%.
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@pajaritomt Preach!
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98% of voters have not voted yet, and 98% of the delegates remain available. So, no, it's not too late - voters only start to think it's too late if that is the prevailing narrative in the press. Warren proved last night that she has the intelligence, agility & empathy to win both the nomination and the presidency.
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I find that NYT is not supporting EW and constantly putting her candidacy under question, with titles like this and the way they ignore her. Somebody is afraid of her candidacy. She is powerful. She has deep expertise. She persists. She is energetic.
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As a woman in the instantaneous format of our "debates," Warren made Bloomberg look like Trump, absurd as that comparison is in reality. Does anyone think that Trump could play similar tricks on Bloomberg?
Bloomberg remains the only person who can beat Trump.
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@Kevin Cahill That's what he keeps saying. Why should I believe it?
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You call that crushing the debate? I’m speaking as a liberal Dem. She was awful! Whiny, clearly envious of Bloomberg, and acting like a real brat. Bloomberg just silently waited it out, the adult in the room.
Warren is really unfortunate. No presence, no gravitas. She looks like she’s on her way to the supermarket. It’s scary to think she would attend a conference of world leaders looking like that. And don’t tell me we don’t hold men to these same standards because at this level we most certainly do. Maybe she thinks dumpy looking women are less threatening than women who look like professionals. (She’s wrong about that.) Now she’s decided that it’s her job to destroy Bloomberg. I say, keep your eye on the ball, Elizabeth. Try running against Trump. It’s a lot harder, I know, but it’s probably more helpful.
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@Voter It's the Dem primaries. Right now she is running against Mike, Amy, Joe, Pete, and Bernie. She's jot allowed to skip ahead to Trump. As far as being "dumpy looking," dude you really need to reboot yourself. You sound like you're in the 1970's.
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Only Bloomberg who im not a fan off has a chance at beating trump ... I was surprised how silly Bloomberg’s responses were, if I were him .... from the get go I would have said continuously only I can beat Trump ... do u want to talk about policy or perceived past mistakes
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Has this become the only measure of a candidate’s performance: his or her aggressiveness toward other candidates? Great job promoting Trump’s own values, NYT. You guys look down on Joe Rogan’s podcast but it is the only place where I actually got to listen to some candidates talk about their views and ideas at length without being distracted by the pressure to trash their fellow candidates.
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In reality, Liz is one little heart murmur away from being the frontrunner. And it's going to be a long, hot, muggy summer.
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For better or worse, I really see it that Elizabeth Warren is merely just a more likable, and also smarter version of Hilary Clinton. I would definitely vote for Warren, because she sure is a decent politician who will restore sanity and wisdom. But most unfortunately she does not seem to be the candidate who can get people to vote for her. Or rather, get enough Dems out to vote for her.
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Could all of the Paid by Mike posters here please change up the script a little, the rest of us would appreciate it....thanks.
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I like Mike.
Can you tell me when I should expect the check from his campaign?
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Not paid here. I’m a serious moderate voter. I think it’s a sham Sanders, the socialist, is running on the Democrat ticket. And, Warren was shrill, catty and Trump-like. Yet, she was once my favorite. Bloomberg, Joe, Amy, and Pete are the Democrats I admire the most among the front runners. But, they need to move up a notch and address how Trump is swamping the country. If Bloomberg can beat Trump then I’m for him.
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Love her. But her position on fracking means she loses OH and PA. M4A is well thought bug means goodbye FL.
Her strategy has obviously been to pick off the Bernie supporters. But it backfired. They’re a thick headed minority, like Trump supporters. Meanwhile she poisoned her well.
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Not favorably impressed this time - since the resident had just pardoned a bunch of crooks the day before and NOTHING was said about by this candidate. Really? You can pick on this guy and not pick on the other? I guess you'll be arguing with your dry cleaner about a spot on a sweater when the first nukes launch...
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She will be a great head of the department of energy.
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@Armo Treasury.
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Women didn’t get to vote or join the workforce by being “nice.” They’re not going to get to lead that way either.
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I plan to vote for Senator Klobuchar in my state's primary, but Senator Warren recaptured my interest last night. Even if she doesn't get the nomination, she would make a fine cabinet member. I hope the next democratic administration uses her talents at the top!
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“Crushed”? She was spending money in her utopian world like it was Monopoly money last night. I’ll go with “Nope”.
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Crushed? well, that’s who NYT endorsed, so of course. But she was awful, the petty nun at best.
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I can’t be the only one who finds her phony? This was the way she’s demonstrating how she will go after Trump? He’s said he ain’t debating anyway.
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Unfortunately, after last night’s debate, I’m with you.. Warren sold out.
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Warren never had a chance I’d vote for her, and last night was more proof for me. Everyone seems to think she did so well in the debate. Really? Why?
She went after everyone. Desperate. Demeaning. Tearing people down. Her fire reserved only for her fellow Democrats on stage because her candidacy is losing. So obvious. The real and only threat is Trump. She thinks NDAs are the real issue, while the election is being stolen and she gives fodder to the Russian. They are going to use her attacks and sow more division among fellow Democrats. I’ve lost all respect for her. Thanks Warren for your divisiveness.
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What does it say about the media when the only way the best policy idea candidate can have an “epic” debate performance is when she goes negative and attacks other people? It’s not healthy for the media only to cover conflict.
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I have thought from day one that Warren was the most impressive candidate and the most promising would-be president. She has done (and continues to do) the work. She is as smart as a tack and she is not in it for herself. She is also someone for whom results matter, rather than personal power or fame, which I think means that as President she would work as a pragmatist. Finally, despite her clear and (in my view) admirable progressive inclination, she places a particularly high value on cross-party Democratic unity, which is necessary for success in this election, and would make her a formidable nominee.
Go Elizabeth Warren, your time has come.
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She did a good job attacking others but said little about who she is. It is sad that attacking others was rewarded by donors. This say a lot about the voters than anything else.
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She said a lot more about who she is and what she stands for than Bloomberg did. She talked about the wealth tax financing universal free and low cost childcare, universal pre-K, improving K-12, free public college, and cancelling student loan debt. She talked about investing in scientific research to dominate the global green energy market and manufacturing here in the US. She talked about closing the racial wealth gap through support for buying homes and starting businesses. She talked about fighting for the little guy and taking the corrupting influence of money out of politics. Bloomberg’s only argument was that he is a more competent manager than Trump. That is definitely true, but he didn’t talk about his values or policies.
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Warren had an epic debate performance. That's the most quickly and thoroughly I've ever seen someone dismantle another person's position in a debate.
I hope it does invigorate her campaign. I'm still undecided. I don't have anything against Mike, aside from his past behavior, but I wasn't in his camp even before this debate.
I'm supportive of and nervous about a Bernie nomination. I think he will get enough millennials off of their couches and into voting booths to offset the nervous boomers.
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Not sure what she crushed. Mistaking the competition for the enemy is burning your bridges. In the unlikely event Ms Warren is the nominee, she shouldn't expect campaigning from the other candidates. She already rejected accepting Bloomberg money, which I'm sure relieves him. He should either direct it into Senate races or spend it on something frivolous.
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@Woollfy1a She crushed the debate and showed us how she can eviscerate billionaires. That could come in handy.
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@Woollfy1a
She is saving us from a Republican vs Republican general election.
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She can do that to a Trump now, what’s stopping her? She doesn’t need to be on a stage or even be a candidate. Just speak truth.
Warren accepts political contributions from multiple corporations which also require employees to sign nondisclosure agreements including Apple, Amazon, AYT, Disney, Microsoft. Is she willing to return the $??
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@Ed Bogus
"Bogus" and "LaLa Land" - perfect for you.
Warren accepts NO political contributions from any corporations. Why do you post such nonsense?
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I can't imagine a better candidate for president. IMO, if we don't elect her, it's our failure, not hers.
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Who writes these headlines? Again and again I see misleading headlines, which I know are not written by the reporter. There is so much in the article to choose from, and the headline writer chooses "Is it too late?"
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Clearly from the comments there is a large fraction of viewers who did not think she "crushed" it.
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@Koho Nope!
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@Koho Or there is a large fraction of viewers who had a different favorite going in and can't admit their favorite wasn't the winner. It happens.
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The debates are like watching your parents fighting all the time, tearing each other apart, making it easier for the Dept of republican social services to take custody.
Is there a way that the Democratic candidates could present their points of view without cutting each other down, yelling, and all of that? Is there a way for them to create a united front, support the best in one another, and still be competing? I see this kind of supportive and friendly collegial behavior all the time on tv shows like British baking show and others. I think it hurts the Democrats who are voting to have to see the kind of behavior going on at debates. I think differences should be discussed honestly and with good intent. I think different points of view can be explored rather than attacked. I think they could work together to fine tune and troubleshoot one another’s plans.
I think they should work together now to disable the egoism and to create good feelings and strength in kindness and honesty and working together.
Let the voters decide and work together to bring the party together as one motley disjointed crew. And whomever does get the most votes, gets everyone’s support.
It does not have to be like this. It can be more pleasant, interesting, and fulfilling.
Please consider discussing this like good partners discuss differences
Thank you.
What a difference that would be for everyone.
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@Thinking
The moderators created the debate chaos with their gotcha questions, not adhering to any time limits for responders, allowing unending interruptions. For their part, the candidates should not have fallen into the traps. It was a show of shows for the network, aimed for ratings. For me it was intolerable to watch, and I shut it down after 30 min.
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No, why would it be too late?
California, with its 33 million voters, haven’t even had our Primary Election yet.
If it is too late, then democracy is on a thin thread.
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Detaching herself from M4A was a wise and risky move. It may have altered support of her in two directions at once, and probably more toward the positive than the negative. I opposed her before, and became more neutral.
Last night there may have been a sea change for Warren in this mix, but only if she repeats.
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Is it just me? Or do a lot these anti-Warren comments seem formulaic and fake? Like:
—“I was a big Warren supporter”
—“At the debate in Nevada, she was shrill and mean.”
—“I no longer support her.”
Come on, trolls. Why not get your money from one of those terrific manufacturing or mining jobs Trump promised you, instead?
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@Miller
I am grateful to not be the only one mistrusting the sincerity of a lot of the negative extreme comments.
Russian trolls?
Trump supporters?
Paid trolls?
Their comments are usually exaggerated, reactive and polarized declarations of doom for liberals and victories for the very bad man in the White House.
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I guess your “crushing” is my “annoying”- EW comes off as the little sister who tattles on everyone, boring.
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Please STOP! That person did not crush anything yesterday, but did add another “misstatement,” I never take PAC, except she did and is now accepting $ from one. There are no more factual reporters .
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@JR
Apparently it's a PAC that was just started by a group of supporters not officially affiliated with her campaign. I don't believe any money from the PAC is to be donated to her directly, but will be used separately by the supporters for ads, etc., which then would need to state who the ad sponsors are (Not Warren.) She'll benefit of course, but she and Sanders and now Bloomberg are still the only candidates that do not hold fund raisers and do not accept corporate donations.
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Well, it is too late for The New York Times if The Times has decided to treat her with the same degree of dishonesty and sexism with which it treated Hillary Clinton.
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Popular with some Democrats, that’s about it. Trump has defined Warren, all the old stuff would come back. Face it - Warren cannot win an election where Republicans can vote.
I say this not because I dislike Warren, I just want to see Trump defeated. My wish, and I know it is impossible, is a do-over - a fresh candidate not smeared by fellow Democrats, Trump and his/her own pie-in-the-sky rhetoric.
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@RJH
You do realize that no matter who the Democrat is, Fox News, Trump, Russian, and even the FBI will dutifully crank up the smear campaign. Are you proposing that we only elect someone who Fox News and Trump can't find a reason to criticize? Seriously? I don't get it...
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She never had a chance. She'll be on Bernie's ticket. She'll be Veep for the next 8 years. THEN she'll be Prez for 8. It's cool, it'll all work out. It's going to take 8 years of Bernie to get America back on track, then 8 years of Liz to make sure it stays headed in the right direction.
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@Coots There is no way either would put the other on their ticket. That's an absolute pipe dream.
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If attacking other Dems is "crushing it" then yes Warren crushed it. Trump thanks Warren for working so hard for his reelection.
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I believe the Debate was not good. But I feel bad for Warren.
With Andrew Yang gone, Warren is the only minority running for President.
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Senator Warren harping on something claimed to be told by Mayor Bloomberg 20yrs ago is cheap sensationalism unworthy of a Presidential aspirant. Senator Warren should explain how her past achievements & plans for the Future of Americans are better than Mayor Bloomberg’s achievements as elected Mayor of New York & Philanthropist & Climate Change Warrior & his Present Commitments to the American People. Clearly, Senator Warren is heading for a disastrous crash in Nevada Caucuses & South Carolina Primaries. So too is Senator Sanders with his Campaign’s obnoxious Lies to falsely smear Mr.Bloomberg. Vice President Biden is intellectually Unfit to be President. Senator Klobuchar has not shown any initiative or leadership on any National Issue to merit consideration for President. Pete Buttigieg is, surprisingly, the only candidate with the Leadership capacity to serve as President of the US.
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@S Venkatesh
Pete Buttigieg is not experienced enough to know he is not experienced enough.
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Lol Pete B went after everyone on stage and almost mad Amy K cry right after claiming he could unite everyone. Why would they unite around a bratty mean kid?
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Elizabeth Warren has lied about personal issues in order to enhance her public image. I'm not sure why anyone would consider her the right person to go on the attack against Bloomberg.
She essentially is a dishonest person who is trying to take advantage of Bloomberg's multiple problems to kick start her campaign.
If it works, then what. She is still not an honest person.
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@Texas Duck
She is not essentially a dishonest person.
She is essentially a very hard working person who wants to make sure that everyone has the opportunity to live well in America. That is who she is... essentially.
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@Texas Duck Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, W, Trump. It seems like dishonesty isn't much of a hindrance to the Presidency.
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She didn’t crush anything. She is mean, vicious and peddling, like other candidates, what could kindly be described as an unregulated dishonest marketing plan of proposals. Of the candidates last night, several are erupting like Mt. Vesuvius on ideas and proposals that have close to zero literal chance of ever becoming law. We have something called Congress. Of course no one, from the moderators to the other debaters, brings this up, despite the fact that not doing so could lead to a Sanders nomination...and his shellacking in the general.
This primary season has been an unmitigated disaster.
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Bloomberg brought it up.
Well, The best person to lead is not necessarily the person that wins the popular contest. Hillary crushed the debates with Donald but dirty tricks put Donald in office. Warren would make a good president.
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Warren's toughness when it matters is what I like most about her. The Democrats need a smart, highly articulate fighter above all else. She's the only candidate who fits the bill.
The Democrats also had a chance to pick a fighter in 2004, Howard Dean, when they needed one. Instead they picked a ponderous war hero. As it turned out, Dean was absolutely right about everything from the wrongness of the Iraq war to his call for health care for all to his 50-state strategy (which gave Obama his 8 years). And John Kerry allowed himself to be swift-boated by right-wing lowlifes.
Democrats: Don't blow it again! Pick the smart fighter this time.
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Answer: NO. It is not too late for Warren.
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Warren's aggressive performance was an act of character assassination. She probably destroyed the only candidate who had a hope of defeating Trump. Thanks for nothing.
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She was never a serious candidate with all her ridiculous plans and the inability to implement shy of the. Frivolous.
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Obama warned us recently of the “woke culture” to which Warren belongs. “The world is messy,” he says. “People who do really good stuff have flaws.” Warren elevates herself is through the denigration of others.
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Warren, like the Clintons and Jimmy Carter, wants to be president for a simple single reason: for herself.
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@sebastian You have got to be kidding me. Carter is one of the most selfless people who has ever walked this earth.
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Warren would be a fantastic Educator-in-Chief, and last night’s performance was invigorating. I’m so disappointed people criticize her for behavior that’s considered admirable when men do it. America, examine thyself!
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I was on the warren train until last night’s debate. Clearly, she’s been hiding her teeth for the previous debates but now we see her true colors. Being nasty is not a good look
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Nasty? Um no. She was tough on a misogynistic bigot who strong-arms vulnerable people into silence. She showed him the door bcs someone had to.
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Well, she has proven she can take on Trump. We know that much. For voters who want big, structural change without the scary "socialist" label and a fighter for working people, there's your candidate. The present flirtation of many Democrats with the newest billionaire on the stage is, I believe, born out of "electability" panic and not a careful consideration on the merits.
Working people do need a fighter at this moment, not a smooth-talker and not a trickle-downer. It's stand and fight time.
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***Warren-Booker 2020***
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She will not get the nomination. Ain't going to happen!
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She is Streep in a political drama. Superb actor. But I don’t like her after last night. I’m so sad.
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We need a prez who is capable, not necessarily likable. Anyway warren is both. So there.
Y’all need thicker skins.
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I don’t understand how some people take her seriously. She is like a motorized bobblehead on high speed. I can’t imagine her on the world stage or even having a normal conversation with anyone. She will not succeed and she will be crushed and soon.
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@kryziak
She is definitely not like anything you said.
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I'm a bit of a policy wonk and don't respond well to histrionics. Although I didn't particularly agree with Ross Perot's position on some things (back in the day), I did appreciate his measured and thoughtful approach to his candidacy, outlining his ideas and explanations with his famous flip charts.
This is why I like Warren. She's thoughtful, has brought her considerable talent to her policy proposals, and for my disposition, the perfect candidate.
Her debate performance was fierce and by that measure, she killed it. I just wish that such performance wasn't necessary.
Alas, that's the world we live in.
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Zealots redouble their efforts when they have lost site of their goal. I watched the debate and saw the candidates attacking Bloomberg and ignoring the one candidate least likely to defeat Trump, Bernie Sanders. The moderate Republicans did the same thing in 2016 and paved the way for this disastrous president. The Democrats should all stop dumping on each other and focus on Trump and the importance of a large democratic turnout in November.
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Please, please, Democratic Party, don't give us a candidate who campaigns like Trump. That's what we want to get rid of, not multiply. And debate moderators, please don't ask questions that will start turning one candidate against another, let's stick to issues that affect American's daily life. I was so wishing that the Democratic party was going to be different than the Republicans in 2016. Guess not.
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The Democrat Nominee will HAVE to campaign like Donald Trump. Clinton tried to stay above the fray and lost. Heck the 2016 Republican candidates tried to stay above the fray, they all lost. WE all lost.
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Have we really stooped to a level that all that matters in a debate is how much you put down another candidate, and constantly interrupt others? Hers was an awful performance.
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INTEGRITY is the primary trait I believe we need in our next president; and what has been painfully absent since Obama. I like several candidates, but after a long study, I think Warren wins in this regard.
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I've been a Warren supporter since her election to the Senate and had planned to vote for her in the MA primary in March, but her performance last night was appalling. Her rant from the outset turned the event into a made-for-TV "gotcha" fest in which the big winner was the Prince of Lies -- not because of anything damaging that was turned up against any of the Dems, but because they all colluded in a Trump-like exchange of pre-packaged insults designed to generate the best soundbites for later replay . . . and provided little if any insight about who might best serve as President. Shame also on the MSNBC gang who allowed this to devolve and the pundits who applauded the high-octane strategy for positioning (candidates) and ratings (TV network). With this kind of approach which reduces serious and complex issues (e.g. how to address a long-term global issue like climate change) to reality TV, it's not hard to see how the country elected such an unqualified individual with celebrity status to the highest office in the land. We can do better. We must.
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No. It’s definitely not too late.
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I was a FORMER supporter of Warren. Her performance last night was abhorrent. She is now just another mad dog using any nasty means to discredit her ‘opponents’. Any presidential qualities I saw in her went straight out the window. I have never been more discouraged about our nation. Focus is now on screaming between democrats instead of outrage about djt’s atrocities.
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Get over it. Someone needed to show Bloomberg the door.
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Obama is calling Dem primary a circular firing squad. But let’s celebrate Warren’s attacks on the only one that can turn the sinking ship around. Dems are doomed.
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Be realistic. America is not ready for a female president. Warren is not a real candidate and neither is Klobuchar. The only person on that stage who can beat Trump and his foreign friends is Bloomberg. Money is what counts, like it or not. Trump and the GOP are being funded by foreign interests where money is not a problem.
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If you can’t attack her on her merits...resort to the fact she is female.
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Brokered convention, yeah baby!
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Too late? Are you kidding?
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I agree that Warren went too far. I want someone who can lead, not just attack. All I heard from Warren were cheap shots that were engineered only to elevate her profile. Sad.
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@David None of her shots were cheap. They were all well earned.
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I think Warren had a difficult fight either way for multiple reasons. I still think there’s room for surprises (like with Iowa), and I’m not sure I’d rule her out for a potential VP pick.
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Warren exhibited as much class as Trump last night. She's finished but just doesn't know it yet
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"Too late"? Really, NYT editors?
Only 2 states have voted. With this headline, you've disrespected the vast majority of voters who haven't spoken yet. You know, voters in tiny states like CA and NY (snark intended).
Donations poured into Warren's campaign after last night's debate. I predict Warren is beginning her "surge".
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@heidi - agree. I was undecided, now am a warren donor and canvaser, 24 hrs later.
***Warren-Booker 2020!!***
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@Rainreason Yes! My dream ticket too. Thanks @Rainreason
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Yes, Warren dominated the debate and looked good doing it. Bernie also held his own. You can feel the true passion coming from both of them.
Bloomberg was wooden, lackluster and woefully unprepared. Biden was angry, probably because he's not the frontrunner. Amy was on the defensive, and Buttigieg went too negative with a lot of cheap shots.
If we must have another billionaire in the White House, I'll take Tom Steyer over Bloomberg in a heartbeat.
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I am sorry but I think there is one thing nobody sane wants to see right now: a mud fight on the lowest possible level between the candidates. I am looking for decency and Senator Warren delivered the opposite. I think she managed to end her candidacy yesterday but also - like Mr.Sanders in 2015/16 - did not miss the chance to damage all other candidates on her way out. I respect Senator Harris and all the other candidates who dropped out without making a big show of it - Warren and Sanders are not able to do that with their narcissism. I hope the DNC will have a word in this and gets it under control. I totally agree with Mr.Bloomberg today: it was disgusting and if I want to see stuff like that....a Trump rally is probably the right place to go.
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What is it exactly that Warren said that was not decent? She told the truth about your favorite candidate Bloomberg?? Bloomberg is the one who’s been acting indecently for years and trying to buy an election is one of the most indecent and un American (well, it should be) things to do.
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@Martin What is more important: replacing the unhinged current President who will continue to work against average Americans, will continue to destroy the environment, will continue to go after anyone not sharing his skin color, will continue to surround himself with unqualified underlings, fill the justice departments and all courts with devoted supporters who are already at work to strike down laws that were meant to protect average Americans......or continue to talk about preventing all this in 2024 then? Elisabeth Warren might have appeal for educated voters but is simply a “lying fake Native American” for the rest of the country where Fox News and talkradio are the only “media” people are listening to. There is no way for her to change that - no matter what. Bloomberg is hard to attack for those right wing outlets: the “stop-and-frisk” New York policy that seems to be Warren’s and friends favorite attack line against Bloomberg is actually something that resonates well in “Trump country”. This election is about preventing a disaster - not about principles.
"Crushed the debate" according to who? That wasn't my take on the debate. And I'm pretty sick of watching and listening to those on the stage who can't do anything but screeching talking-points and slam their opponents. The baiting by the debate moderators doesn't help either. It's all exactly what the likes of Trump wants to see too.
Show some integrity people. Unfortunately these debate are probably not helping the undecided. What do they go by? Whomever insults the rest the loudest? Disgusting.
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Sorry but after last night's debate I just don't like her. She's tearing down others when real leadership would be uniting us. I might have voted for her at one time but now I can't stand her. I hope any of the other candidates replace her.
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I have to be honest - I was leaning Warren but thought she was done after the first two states. So my husband and I voted for Bernie instead to get a progressive the nomination. Our mail ballots in CA were put in the mail yesterday . After seeing the debate I’m having second thoughts !
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I was a lifelong Republican who signed up with the Democrats around the time Trump came down the escalator and was pleased when Bloomberg followed my example and decided to run for President.
The beating he took last night from Warren et al. was, brutal and, in my opinion, was largely undeserved. Moreover, it was stupid.
When I was growing up and playing basketball and touch football on empty lots, it was commonly understood that the kid who brought the ball to the game played a special role in it and that when he went home, the game was over.
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Welcome to the Big Leagues.
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"Lacerating", "searing", a "rhetorical howitzer". The Times overheated language illustrates the extent to which Presidential elections have become a sporting event. The selection of the leader of the free world point to be a thoughtful and deliberative process, but we crave drama and entertainment and look where that has got us.
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Media is responsible for shaping this election and as much as I love the NYT, they are responsible for under reporting candidates they feel are a threat or elevating the one who is the flavor of the week. They are also responsible for elevating Trump by giving him press just because he sold papers. Most of the reporters for this paper are honorable and hard working. I ask the editors to be just as diligent.
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Why do you love the NYT. We do better with the Washington Post.
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Thank you! The Times in their constant reporting of Trump since day one has allowed him great attention. Moreover, the candidates get their research free to attack each other, without benefitting the audience with the entire story, like the ‘fat broad’ attack. Bloomberg didn’t have a decent chance, and Trump is again the winner!
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I was one of Warren's earliest supporters to sign up to campaign for her because of her seeming integrity and professionalism. Last night she lost my support. Her attack on Bloomberg were totally unfair and exploitative. One cannot compare Bloomberg to Trump. Bloomberg is among the best this country has to offer. He created an industry from nothing, he is most knowledgeable on foreign trade and policy and he has proven with his philanthropy, long before he became involved in politics, where his heart lies on many issues, including education, public health, and the environment. I was embarrassed for you last night Elizabeth!
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I don’t believe you were ever a Warren supporter. You think a rapacious billionaire with authoritarian leanings is one of the best this country has to offer. That is not someone who would support Warren.
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Agree. Also our country is littered with trolls. Check out the next polling and the Nevada results if they are able to report them which I doubt.
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Your critique of the previous commenter where you insinuate there’s only certain group of attributes in order to be a warren supporter underscores the exact point people like Klob and Bloomberg are others are making...
Picking a president based on one liners and debate performance is a very bad idea, so what, Bloomberg is a bad debator but a terrific mayor and businessman. Being president isn’t being on the debate team.
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Reagan was called the great communicator. Obama was as well. It’s important. Just watch Trump speak.
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@robert blake It's also not being a businessman.
I am a debate coach/ judge and i couldnt agree with u more!!!! Media rewards entertainers( debaters who are fiery)- would be nice! but NOT RELEVANT
I rather think she came across as shrill and desperate.
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Everybody knows what “shrill” means. It is a dog whistle meaning “I don’t like strong women. They make me uncomfortable. Don’t you feel the same way?”
No, I don’t.
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Then Bloomberg is your guy. He’s a misogynist too.
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@Ben
Warren is not strong. Cheap shots at fellow Democrats is not strong.
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Nice zingers do not a good President make
(See Donald Trump)
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Being a good debater does not equal being a good President, and vice-versa.
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You must support Bloomberg. He sure proved he can’t debate last night.
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I have watched Warren at work for a decade. I have wanted to vote for her for the Presidency for some time now. The usual political circus which brings in bucks for the media and riles up people who haven't found a candidate they want to vote for is really just white noise to me. We have seen most of these candidates for years, with the exception of Buttigieg. I feel sympathy for voters who have no one they really feel called to vote for when voting is a key civic duty. I wish you guys the best finding a Dem you can vote for. My impression of the Dem candidates is that it is a deep bench. My Primary vote goes to Warren for so many reasons the media circus can't touch, but I will feel comfortable voting for any of the people currently running if they become the nominee. I wish us all luck. We are going to need it.
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I give Warren no points for her debate performance. She has decided to win the trump way which is to savage your opponents to direct the camera from yourself.
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@MLE53 She used facts and arguments. Trump just used childish nicknames and insults. You can't see the difference?
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"Is It Too Late?" the Times asks in a headline. Well, yeah, I mean, think about it. At this late date in the season, only 98% of primary voters remain. How could those few votes possibly overwhelm the 2% of votes that have already been cast?
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Not looking for a candidate who "crushes" in a debate about mostly irrelevant topics. We don't need a glib president, we need one with good policies and the ability to get them enacted.
This is NOT a criticism of Mrs. Warren, but a knock on the writers who insist on reporting with headlines that include click-bait words.
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I thought she showed a nasty even bullying side and, frankly if we want a nasty bully in the White House, he’s already there. Quite a few viewers may have been taken aback. Further, Elizabeth better have been squeaky clean since the last time she was in diapers because Bloomberg’s well paid researchers will now be redoubling their efforts to dig up dirt on her. Either way I’d put more money on the attacked than the attacker.
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@Norman
Oh no, another nasty woman! Forgive this nasty woman for saying that you don’t sound like you normally stand up for the attacked.
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@Norman
There is a dump truck load of dirt on Warren.
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So sad Warren has become a hack politician telling out and out lies about Bernie. He has released .more detailed medical information than any candidate from 3 different doctors. She has taken super Pac money She once shamed any other candidate for doing . Bernie has never taken corporate Pac money and will not take Bloomberg's it be gets the nomination. Which the corrupted dems and Bloomberg and fellow billionaires and now Warren are going to use lies and dirty and trick to stop him. Warren thinks she may get crowned president me thinks by joining the elite mostly white club in DC in holding onto their power over the rest of us .The opinion on WAP. That the elites should have final say who it the candidate was letting us know our votes will not count and Democracy must die . And Warren is fine with that. I think the e!ite have underestimated the US in the slogan of Bernie's. and our hunger for a fighter for US.
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I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness but i thought Warren was laid bare as a great fighter and an egomaniacal ,condecending ,opportunistic, phoney. How is viciously lumping all billionaires in the trashbin of humanity not prejudice as dehumanizing as racial or religious prejudice. How is it possible that noone saw beyond her” great debating,” to the vicious human being she exposed herself to be? Queen of the circular firing squad. Great endorsement NYT!! I am sympathetic because although rejecting her because of her condescending nastiness, she did not lay bare the full horror of her soul until last nite
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Want a billionaire running the government? We already have one. How’s that working out for you? The fact is that in order to become a billionaire you have to be ruthless, corrupt, and probably a psychopath.
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Steyer is an exception. The exception proves the rule.
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I was not impressed by Warren's attacks on Bloomburg. Certainly he's a good old boy -- from a different era--but a lot of New Yorkers loved him, and he has done a lot of good stuff with his money. Just think what a great candidate Al Franken could have been had the MeToo Valkyries not forced his resignation for his very mild misconduct.
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By what measure did she crush the debate? Certainly not by strengthening her case as to why she should be president. She went after Michael Bloomberg, who proved an easy, surprisingly passive target. So what?
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Bloomberg only has himself to blame. If you are going to make the claim you are the only one who can effectively take on Trump in a debate it is only reasonable to except that your opponents will try to disprove that. Warren was brilliant and showed not only is Bloomberg unlikely to be an effective debator against Trump but that she can get the job done!!!
Go Warren!!!
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@NA So she's going to grab a lot of his voters.
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If as a woman she puts up her dukes and fights, it is unbecoming. If she’s deferential and likable, she’s weak. I’ve heard it all before about Warren. But when it comes down to it she brings a lifetime of experience, she’s a brilliant debater, and she’d provide a powerful counterpoint in energy, character, and wit to Trump or the other autocrat billionaire and phony Democrat that she gave it to last night.
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A lot of misogynistic comments about Warren today. A lot of “shrill” and “scold” and “shrieking.” No male candidate would be called those things. People are bitter because she made their favorite male candidates look weak last night, so they resort to the tired old tropes. People wanted a fighter? They got one. Elizabeth Warren.
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Wrong! Al Gore got same put-downs!!!
Depends, she would benefit from coverage which focussed on her many positive qualities as opposed to a single focus in electability.
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Go Elizabeth, you have the least amount of baggage of anyone campaigning and for that reason alone you may be the best candidate. I long to witness you eviscerate trump in a one-on-one debate. However, I doubt if he would agree to debate you because he is a coward.
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This is the Elizabeth Warren I thrilled to as a regulator testifying before congress (it's worth a trip to the CSpan archives to hear her.) Laser sharp. Facts at the ready. Take no enemies. Maybe she finally had a real issue to do battle with (I mean, wine cellars? Really.) Where has she been? Welcome back! Hoping it's not too late
Even if Warren accomplishes little else than taking Bloomberg out of the race, we can breathe a sigh of relief, say thank you from the bottom of our hearts, get on with the campaign, and unite to win.
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@pi
Trump would be thrilled if Warren took Bloomberg out.
That would be the biggest gift he got since the fake impeachment.
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No, she came off as a Screaming Mimi. All faked-up self-righteousness and venom. She has substance but this kind of cheap hysteria lowers my confidence in her potential to unite a diverse country. I share the obvious disgust of Mayor Bloomberg in her antics.
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Thank you! My take exactly. Why are we voices in the wilderness. Has trump venom inured us?she is godawful mean and nasty. Btw i am a longtime debate judge
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Warren crushed Warren, not the debate. She came across as badly and as obnoxious as Trump, attacking Bloomberg in a disgusting way, instead of focusing on Trump who is the main problem. All you pundits are wrong; Warren is toast and we won't see her again, even as Senator. We are tired of the nastiness.
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Thank you. Every commentator on CNN and MSNBC And in NYT live commentary she was hailed as glorious warrior. Only Buttigieg showed decency and honest solid arguing. I hope you are right that you here are more of us that are nauseated by her no holds barred viciousness
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I was completely turned off by Elizabeth Warren's performance at the debate last night. The fact that it was basically a 'stunt' makes it even worse. She threw flames at everyone on the stage, not just Bloomberg. She's willing to take everyone down with her. Wasn't her message last week that she was going to be a uniter? With that performance, I think not.
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Whatever she does, the Times manages to plow into some deliberatively negative tone. You embarrass yourselves.
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“Crushed it” I dunno. Much of what Warren railed about were ad hominem and hyperbole attacks of dubious accuracy. Sound and fury, signifying little. Passionate to be sure, but not a lot of substance.
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@Nils Anderson Name one ad hominem.
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Since 2015, Trump’s sole mission in politics has been to demonstrate that no matter how corrupt and self-serving he is, the politicians and bureaucrats in Washington are no better than he is. The Democratic debates, including Warren's beheading of Bloomberg, are aiding Trump’s cause, and by the time they’re finished, the nation will have no choice other than to re-elect Donald Trump.
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Sorry, her appeals to the downtrodden and her OK roots are not going to defeat Mr t. Context, context, context. Bloomberg showed great restraint in not calling attention to her caricatured bleeding heart liberalism which doesn’t work today. After all, who’s voting for mr t.
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Funny how perceptions are so different.
First of all the debate format is so idiotic, it was constantly lurching out of control. And you don't need a Republican to say,it was a great night for Trump.
I found Warren strident, desperate sounding, pushy, talking over people, hogging the time and allowed to get away with it.
Actually she sounded like she was on steroids or something.
Bernie was Bernie, so she gained nothing on him.
Those who love her, loved her more, but the rest of us were probably turned off.
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1.Despite chatter that says Bloomberg bombed, I believe he did exactly what he wanted which was to give the media no juicy sound bites. He showed up, yawned, then went back home to run more ads.
2. I really liked Klobuchar prior to this debate. She became too visibly incensed over comments she could easily have deflected with a clever, biting rejoinder.
3. I'm back to Elizabeth Warren but terrified that she cannot win this.
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The Democratic circular firing squad continues as Donald Trump burns the United States to the ground. They should be talking about him, not bickering among themselves.
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Wrong. they need to prove they can stand up and fight each other first. Once we have a candidate the focus will be on Trump. Also, everybody already knows how terrible Trump is. Some people just don’t care. That isn’t going to change.
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i miss Obama!
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So does the rest of the world.
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@PeteH
Many US allies eg DEPENDENTS don't like Trump. He want them to starting pulling their own weight for their defense. The US taxpayer is tapped out.
She got my vote! Intelligent, passionate, caring, tough, real...a candidate I could work for.
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Once upon a time, Warren had integrity, honesty and a doer. Like many others, I supported her. It was pathetic to watch her desperate act during the debate. She is a completely different person today than the past. People say politics is a dirty game. Well,Warren has mastered it well. Her relentless attacks on Bloomberg was uncalled for. She is another pol like the con man creature in the White House who will do anything to retain power. Did she forget that it is Bloomberg’s money which played a major role in capturing the Congress? Con man was impeached because of the Democratic majority in the Congress. Con man has destroyed most of the basic foundations that protect people. We would be a banana Republic today if democats couldn’t win the majority in Congress in 2018. Bloomberg is a technocrat and gentle by nature. Warren was lucky that Bloomberg didn’t bring her false native Indian heritage.Her vulgar attacks proved that she does not stand for anything but power. Instead of going after the real con man Bernie, she picked her fight against the wrong person. Funding will play a major part during the election. Con man with the help from wall street crooks (aka polluters, tax freeloaders) will spend over a billion to win the election. It is an irony that the billionaire basher Warren already has started super PAC. Bernie will do the same if he wins the primary. Mrs. Warren- look at the mirror and see what you have transformed into.
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@Rm So so true. She has zero chances to win anything. Pathetic performance last night. Bloomberg is the one.
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Bloomberg is pathetic and weak. He showed everyone that he is just a bag of money and no substance.
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Elizabeth Warren showed that, in any debate with Donald Trump ( if he were ever so foolish to engage in one), she would pulverize him.
Her knowledge and policy depth are outstanding, showing Klobuchar and Buttigieg to be like little kids making it up as they go.
She works like a dog, every day. Wouldn't a president like that be a breath of fresh air? She is everything that Trump isn't, then a whole lot more.
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I’ve long been of the opinion that Sen. Warren could dress down trump like no other. It would drive him crazy. It’s gonna be ugly ; she’s a fighter.
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so, success is measured on money raised?
Bloomberg can see her 52 mill, excuse the NYT, 5 mil, and raise her 10. does that make him the winner now?
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@AutumnLeaf Yes. Because he didn't raise the money, and that was your criteria.
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Warren did a very good job persuading me from voting for Bloomberg. She did absolutely nothing to persuade me to vote for her.
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If she were a man, she'd have been the top contender months ago.
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Warren is the perfect foil to corrupt Trump. Thoughtful, honest, caring above the fray but so so tough. She will show integrity and passion for the common American. And she can bring along the Sanders folks while uniting the middle. She is the horse we need to ride to victory. The main stream media is irresponsible in the way they present her. Look at the ridiculous title of this story. She has ten times the chops of Klobuchar and Buttigieg. The NYT IS flat out SEXIST in your reporting on her and I am fed up with it. Many other women are too. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Stop it.
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So anything but fawning servility is "sexist"? That's what you're claiming. Critically analysing Senator Warren's claims isn't sexist. Criticising her isn't sexist.
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The media's analysis of this is wrong and according to the 538 not supported by the data, let alone my anecdotal opinion. Perhaps living in NYC is dulling their brain.
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I feel Bloomberg’s calm straightforward answers conveyed confidence and awareness.
Warrens rabid and frothing at the mouth gender and class warfare baiting seemed desperate.
In Bloomberg’s defense, anyone that employs thousands of people has been accused of all kinds of garbage. Settling cases using NDAs is oftentimes the fastest most economical way to deal with them and move on. They are practical adult solutions.
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Unfortunately the logic of your argument will not sit well with the Warren set. Logic is not their strongpoint.
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One man's opinion: Although I like her very much, Warren lost me when she came out for Medicare For All. I believe this position inexplicably hands the Republicans the health insurance issue which has been and should be a major Democratic advantage. I've heard that she's moderated this or will now phase it in. I suggest she look in the camera in the next debate and explain where she stands on this - she did a lot of complaining of the other candidate's plans last night, but we heard little about hers. If she cleans up this issue, maybe she could be the sensible compromise candidate between both wings of the party.
All 6 of our remaining candidates would move the country in the right direction and are light years ahead of the Trump Administration. Please positively support your favorite and support the winner.
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I, actually, think M4A was her biggest attraction. What hurt her is an attempt to put justification on that without the plan to defend the justification. Her calculations were fine, but that was the number for whole healthcare, while Buttigieg cited only the government's part, ignoring premiums and deductibles that private citizens will have to pay.
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Blah blah blah. All of these debates are irrelevant.
Bread and Circuses.
Mondale Ferraro Is Coming
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Trump looked good last night compared to these yahoos.
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Does he?
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Are you kidding? Warren and Sanders both looked and acted like raving idiots. You want one of them running country?
Bloomberg is the only person with their head attached.
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@Steven Impossible that we watched the same debate.
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cheap shot artist. what has she ever done in the real world? Bernie can't be happy she is back in the discussion -- since they have the same "base" she'll steal his numbers (and vice versa). more troubling, they have the same [almost total] lack of experience or qualifications in the areas that drive the welfare of US and its citizens, leadership/business acumen (since when is that a dirty word?); global economy; foreign policy; international security, and can't beat Trump. the commentary in the liberal outlets (NYT/CNN) is untethered -- and i say this as a Dem for close to 50 years. i remember McGovern (who had more substance that either of them) and what a disaster he was for the party....i didn't vote for a winning Dem presidential candidate (except Carter) until Clinton. want that again? keep on pushing these two....ugh, that's the best we got?
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I don't think she was outstanding. She interrupted, spoke in a strident, scolding voice and tried to hog the air time. Bloomberg remained quiet and in my opinion was the only civilized grownup in the room while all the others were like children demanding attention.
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Speaking of misogyny, the NY Times had another article on Warren today with the subtile "She will not be ignored."
Everyone knows that is a reference to the unhinged girlfriend (played by Glenn Close) stalking Michael Douglas in the movie "Fatal Attraction."
Is the that the analogy The NY Times really wants to make?
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Would Elizabeth Warren like to take back her mockery of Pete Buttigieg when he met in a wine cave. It seems that she is now taking super PAC money. She’s a hypocrite!
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Yes, she is a hypocrite.
She has been accusing and yelling at Buttigieg so much about getting superPAC money and now, look what she (and also Amy) is doing - all getting money from superPAC!
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I had a lot of fun watching the debate last night. What theater! I'm curious to see how this plays out for Warren. I personally didn't like her debate performance. I think that the focus on gender issues, while allowing for hilarious quips, is a losing proposition.
I also believe that the demonizing of Bloomberg for using his own money and then bragging to everyone how much money you just made in donations is somewhat hypocritical. I agree that there is too much money in politics but lets be honest here. One of the biggest focus points of this whole primary season has been and continues to be what Democrat can get the most money.
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I thought last evening's debate was awful. It was a "circular firing squad" pitting Democrat against Democrat and a few to a Democrat Socialist.
I don't believe it knocked out any of of the remaining 6 candidates. If anything was accomplished it was a re-election of Trump.
Elizabeth Warren ganged up on everyone except Sanders. Perhaps she will get a bump in campaign funds. Just like Harris did in the first debate against Joe Biden.
I think the panel from NBC should have asked about Trump and his lawless behavior. Instead they asked about health insurance (again).
The opponent is not another Democrat nominee. The real opponent is residing in the White House.
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She’s too whiny and pedantic. Yes, we know you came from nothing in Oklahoma. Get over it and spend those valuable minutes on stage discussing issues cogently. Lambasting Bloomberg was uncalled for. She’s on her way out.
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There is no reason she cannot still win the nomination and the election. Talking heads like you are the only ones casting doubts and many, many women are watching your negativity and will not forget.
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So many bitter Bloomberg Bots. They hate Warren because they think she made their boss look ridiculous. The truth is that his candidacy was ridiculous from the get-go. She was just the first one to point it out. Don’t shoot the messenger. Don’t hate her because you won’t be getting a paycheck for very much longer. Remember, your only goal is supposed to be beating Trump!
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Warren got my smidgeon of money today, and she got my vote. She’s done a whole lot more to protect the people than anyone on that stage- even Bernie. And by goddess, she used to be a sped teacher. She’s been down in the trenches. She will fight corruption and empty the swamp.
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Why keep talking about 4th and 5th places so much NYT? The focus must be on the 3 front-runners nationally - Sanders, Bloomberg and Biden - and which one of them can build a coalition strong enough to take DJT which runs a pretty sofisticated operation, now again with Russian support... The Dem candidate name is not enough. It needs a machine as sophisticated to succeed. The time to put together plans and just give speeches has ended. Obama himself used a sophfisticated online operation to win. Bloomberg proved that the media operation works. And he is heard nationally more than any other candidate other than Trump. He knows that delivering in person speeches across America is important to seed himself early in the minds of the electorate, which becomes immutable, no matter what happens here an there. Trump proved it.
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Of the three “front runners” you list, only one of them has a claim to that title. Bernie, who has picked up the most delegates so far along with Mayor Pete. What are you basing your assertion that Biden and Bloomberg are front runners on?
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I have generally been ok with Warren, and I didn’t mind her opening shot at Bloomberg. I think he deserved that. And I think he should have had a really, really good explanation for why he is unwilling to offer to release women from any NDAs that involve him personally.
But she lost me on a point that has won her plaudits from many. That was when she defended Klobuchar against Pete’s oh-so-unfair criticism of klobuchar’s Telemundo interview. Klobuchar did not have an understandable brain burb and forgot AMLO’s name. She demonstrated both an appalling lack of knowledge about our neighbor and important trading partner and a serious lack of preparation for an important interview. Further, her absolute inability to respond with grace and humility to the embarrassing situation her interviewer found himself in was just about as non-presidential as it gets (excluding Trump, of course).
Shame on Warren for creating the impression that poor Amy was being picked on and that Pete was a meany. Pete could have reduced Klobuchar to ashes, had he been so inclined.
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Warren’s attacks on Bloomberg were unnecessary and counterproductive in the same way buttigieg’s attacks on klobacher were. What was the point? They both sounded like spoiled kids who think they are better and smarter than everyone else. I for one am sick of hearing about her “plans” for everything and how taxing the rich will result in free this free that free anything. And the mayor’s attack finally demonstrated what Mansplaining means. Talk loud, talk over, and be rude. Thanks mayor. You lost my vote. Still like Amy though.
But the best was when Bernie told Bloomberg his comment was a cheap shot. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Bernie is the original limbo man, go low Bernie. Still think a woman can’t beat trump? And it’s ok to criticize someone who did what a lot of us would love to have done and he did it on his own? And you want to mandate a health care program the majority don’t want? Bloomberg’s comment was stupid but not a cheap shot.
Did joe even show up? Did he say anything new if he did?
At least we know Bloomberg is ready to take on trump and call him out on the total nonsense trump is pulling. And he is the only one that discussed what it means to be in charge and what needs to happen to get things done. He’s looking forward while the rest are looking backwards or sideways or are just not looking at all.
Bloomberg is fine. If he and Amy weren’t so much alike they might be a good team. But Bloomberg gets my vote now.
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@John I think Bloomberg has always had your vote and that you would find any excuse to disparage Warren. Buttigieg is negligible.
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If Bloomberg had any political smarts he would have responded to Warren’s NDA attack by bringing up her DNA and pounded her relentlessly on her dishonesty.
He’s no Trump.
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I cannot believe how tone-deaf NYTimes has become. Warren ROCKED the universe last night. I have family and friends all over the US and it's without a doubt a game-changer display of brilliance that she did last night. My "bernie bro" bro in Oregon said he's switching to back Warren. My moderate cousin in Indiana donated to her after being camp Pete. And, I was jumping up and down. What is wrong with NY Times? Did you watch it? Do you live in a bubble of tone-deafness? I'm in awe.
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I’m sorry but Liz Warren came off as an out of control, camera grabbing show boater. She spent too much time attacking Mike Bloomberg and not enough on Trump. She had her chance this summer and blew it by changing her healthcare plan (she is still changing). I didn’t hear her complain when she excepted money from Mike Bloomberg for her Senate campaign.
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@John Of course she did, John. And shrill and school-marmish and loud and inconsistent and her Senate campaign was years ago. People can and do change. Enjoy your vote for the white male of your choice.
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Elizabeth Warren smartly challenged the other candidates running for the democratic nomination, demolishing Bloomberg, while showing her political and leadership strengths. What kind of coverage did from reporters of this article give her?
'But the question was whether it was too late to help Ms.
Warren’s campaign.'
No question mark at the end of their question, so maybe
these two reporters think that it is too late. Should we ignore that two men wrote the article? They wouldn't give short shrift to a female candidate as accomplished as Warren, would they?
This is a short article with very little information about the arguments Warren made, instead mentioned her cold and the amount of money she raised after the debate. The piece is simply about these reporters doubts that there is anything Warren can do to improve her vote getting position. It took two guys to write nothing.
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i'd like to know what was in that throat spray....send me some
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@brian lindberg Here's an old voiceover trick: If you lose your voice, sip straight lemon juice. Nothing added, just lemon juice. It should return long enough to make your point or presentation. Then go home and take care of yourself
Well, what happened in Vegas definitely did not stay in Vegas.
I am no fan of Sen Warren but give her credit for an improvised comeback - when all of us have come to expect - canned lines.
Come to think of it - may be DNC should prohibit these practice sessions and have candidates come "unplugged."
May be, the voters will get to see "true candidates"
After all, once they get elected and go for a media interview - no one prepares them.
I must say that Ben Rhodes - the Obama aide - had predicted this fascination of media with primaries and elections.
And the resources the media allocates to it as compared to covering rest of the world and America, for that matter - which is really what these elections are really about.
And he boasted - once primaries and elections are over - some journalists will take whatever is fed to them on security - even if it is just White House propaganda.
With these incessant stories by multiple journalists - reporting minutiae of campaigns - why, next Ben Rhodes will succeed again.
She's finally showing her lawyer stripes.
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Oh boy, you hit Bloomberg about a joke he made 30 years ago. You're so tough.
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You know who definitely isn’t tough? Bloomberg. He is a broken little man.
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Too late?! This is laughable. Two states have voted in the primary. TWO. We are quite literally just getting started.
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@Allison What else can we expect from MSM re Warren? I'm amazed they noticed she was in the debate.
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Donald Trump would never debate Warren. Even this egomaniac knows she would skim him alive.
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How on earth could it be too late? Only 2 states have had their primaries/caucuses.
Speculative reporting, while sometimes relevant, should be undertaken with care. The headline alone on this article is enough to plant a self-fulfilling doubt. Stop it.
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Seems all of the criticism is good 'ol misogyny. Tough to determine if it's Mike's employees; or, Vlad's.
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I don't think it's too late for Elizabeth Warren. I think Mr. Sander's has some reasonable health concerns. The proof is his unwillingness to release his medical records. I don't think Mr. Sanders can go the whole distance and can envision him throwing his support to Warren at the convention. At that point he will be exhausted and forced to address his heath limitations. But, will have succeeded with his "revolution". May the best candidate win.
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I see person after person metaphorically salivating over the prospect of Warren eviscerating Trump in a debate, but nothing says he'll debate. So if the nominee, whether it's Warren or someone else, can't showcase their verbal sparring skills in that format, how will the case be made to the public that the D candidate should be elected?
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Maybe the electorate will have to read about the candidates positions; do some critical thinking and make an informed decision on Election Day.
Oh right, this is America. If it’s not spoon fed to us on a screen, how do we figure out what to do?
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Warren could end up the MVP of the race by blocking a Bernie delegate rampage on Super Tuesday. At the same time, Bernie is probably keeping her from winning, which is also ok. Not much of a campaign slogan, but a patriotic effort.
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"Russia Backs Trump’s Re-election, and He Fears Democrats Will Exploit Its Support
A classified briefing to lawmakers angered the president, who complained that Democrats would “weaponize” the disclosure."
Trump's serious illegal misdeeds are endless.
Elizabeth will pulverize Trump with his twisted self-dealing sins in any debate and all over the airwaves if chosen as the Democratic nominee.
If not, we'll be in good hands with Bernie.
Help us save our democracy. It's one minute to twelve on the Trump doomsday clock.
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If Elizabeth Warren gets any momentum out of her appalling performance last night it would reflect poorly on Democratic voters' judgment. She signally failed to achieve her political aim: closing the expanding gap between herself and Bernie Sanders In fact, she didn't even make him the focus of her often vicious attacks. She ignored him -- the only person with whom she is competing for the left/liberal lane. She wasted the great majority of her time attacking the more moderate candidates, exhibiting considerable nastiness when she did. (I'm not speaking about Bloomberg.) Her ideas are just a smidgeon more rational than those of the fanatic Sanders. But the bottom line is that Sanders was left unscathed, coasting through the debate. The same could be said of the REAL WINNER of the debate: President Trump. For reasons best known to this disappointing batch of candidates, was not a target. The Democrats engaged in a circular firing squad -- with Warren doing most of the shooting. My guess is she will gain little from this ugly exercise in sanctimony but she will have inflicted plenty of damage and will make it far more difficult for Democrats to come together to defeat President Trump.
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@Dr. Svetistephen: Thank you.
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Dear Ms warren - I’m sending you $. Pls keep it up. And wear colors that say you mean business.
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I love Elizabeth Warren!!
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Warren was like a 3rd grade student repeating to the teacher exactly what Bloomie said.
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Except Bernie is a one note tune: healthcare. Yes, it’s important-maybe even the most important, but he’s old, recovering from a heart attack and one butterscotch disk away from another one.
Step aside.
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Hilarious- so true. Her and trump on stage? Media eats it up. Battle of the babies
STOP ERASING HER.
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@Kate Reymann
Are you aware the Times endorsed her?
This is an op-ed piece. Not all opinions are going to mirror yours. Why are you yelling?
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@Kate Reymann omg nobody erases her. It’s more like she’s being shoved down our throats!
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@Kate Reymann
They endorsed her for heaven's sake. Hardly erased.
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We don’t want another nasty person in the White House. Good bye Warren. Your attacks are a disgrace. You should be attacking Trump and not your running mates.
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I don’t think trump is ‘nasty’ because he called out flimsy healthcare policies. Does he even have an articulated policy?
No, Trump is ‘nasty’ because he lies multiple times a day; is vindictive against perceived enemies; serves himself above all others; sexually harasses women; pays for sex; mocks the disabled, gold-star families, children killed in Sandy Hook; sides with nearly every strongman and human rights violators on the planet.
Settle down and pay more attention to what’s actually going on.
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They aren’t her running mates. I’m sure you would have been fine if Bloomberg had trashed Warren in the debates. But he didn’t. He couldn’t. He doesn’t have the ability. So now you resent the person who revealed him to be all wallet and no substance.
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@Gary Yes. Get a nice man in there who will continue to enable other men, particularly those of a corporate or finance stripe. No more nasty, a word OP reserves for women, no doubt.
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Warren needs to build on the debate by doing well this weekend at the caucuses. I understand that the Culinary Union in Southern Nevada has not endorsed a candidate, however, the union does not favor Medicare For All. Warren is on the wrong side of this issue for this very powerful union in Vegas. A poor showing in Nevada will put the campaign back where it was last week--stuck in fourth place and slipping.
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Presidents need not be the ones coming up with all the policies and plans. If this is Warren's strongest point then she'd do a great job as a Cabinet member or policy advisor. Presidents mostly delegate, hire and fire, set broad goals and manage people and have tons of meetings. There's a huge difference between what Senators do and what governors, mayors and other executives do. After Trump I think it's time for a competent manager calm under fire who knows how to keep her/his tweet gun shut.
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I have been undecided but was most impressed by Warren last night. She demonstrated her toughness when dealing with Bloomberg. I was really impressed when she stood up for Klobuchar against Pete...she managed to bring them both down a notch while doing the right thing. She shut down their time-wasting argument and brought the attention back to herself. She can think on her feet while managing and even dominating big egos. I’m guessing she’s also an excellent negotiator. Senator Warren gained my vote in this primary. I think she can win the Presidency but I will vote blue no matter who in the general election.
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Wonderful! A vote well cast!
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I turned in my mail-in ballot today. Sen Warren earned my vote too
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These candidates are providing all the ammunition trump will need to beat the eventual nominee. Debates should be limited to who the speaker is, not who s/he thinks the other candidates are.
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I thought Warren had the worst night, as she appeared nervous, overly excited, scared and petty, particularly toward Bloomberg and to an extent Buttigieg, who himself committed some smallish jabs, such as at Klobuchar. Bloomberg was considerably better than some of the pundits felt/feel. He had many good points, but got incessantly interrupted by the other candidates. Biden at times gets fired up & delivers a good point but when he stutters - - it's no good & gives the appearance he's getting tired.
However, I largely blame the journalists on the panel for what was an unruly, petty, interruptive, uninformative and chaotic debate.
Lester Holt, did his customary poor job of moderating a debate. Holt, Chuck Todd (who did slightly better than the others. did not do well. Hallie Jackson & Vanessa Hauc also did not do well. Hauc asked picayune, unimportant questions.
Their questions had far too much gotcha to them; they and the candidates asked too many questions that were smallish and occurred many years ago
Good people and public figures change some of their stances with the years due to their own analysis, new information that becomes available, and public sentiment.
These chaotic debates, are a hindrance in attracting independents, enlightened Republicans and even keeping some Dems. Enough spouting off.
After this debate a disaster - I'm more concerned Trump may get 4 more years.
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Warren is a capable policy wonk. If she can continue to show the fearless aggressiveness needed to defeat he-who-shall-not-be-named I would be happy to give her my vote.
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I was a strong supporter of Bernie Sanders in 2015 and still admire Him very much. I am supporting Elizabeth Warren this time around. The notion that any candidate has sewn up the race at this point is ludicrous. The statement that Bloomberg has "upended the race" must give the republican element of the Democratic Party at least a marginal hope to return to the status quo. Ditto for Biden. Bernie as much as I admire him will not get support from either Republicans OR Democrats if he is elected and we DON"T have 4 years to waste. Mayor Pete doesn't have my trust or the experience, and Amy, as much as I admire her appears very shaky under pressure. Liz Warren in my mind is articulate, understands the workings and machinery of Government, has been forthcoming with presenting plans to implement her visions, and has shown the wisdom to tailor those plans once she has gotten feedback. There of course is the double standard of being a woman striking out for the Highest Office in the Land; last debate she wasn't aggressive enough, this time "she's all teeth and elbows"....the most consistent objections to her candidacy seem very superficial to me given the dire downward spiral of our country. Women all over the country have stepped up! Progressives and young people have driven the recapture of the House! The Senate AND the White House are our next opportunities to renew the vision and nobility of this country. Liz is the real deal. Vote Warren!
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Not really. Warren is phony as the con man creature in the White House. Perhaps you don’t realize that Bloomberg played a major role to capture the Congress in 2018. Con man was impeached because of the democratic majority. Warren’s pathetic desperate vulgar act is despicable. Bloomberg is a technocrat and gentle by nature. Any other pols would jump into her false native Indian heritage issue. Warren is lucky that it didn’t happen. Instead pf picking on con Bernie, she picked up the wrong fight. Everyone I spoke to felt that she was a disgrace.
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I have been wavering been Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren. Both are whip smart, decent people. For all their professed policy disagreements they have more in common than they have differences.
But after last night I'm all in for Warren. She was passionate, articulate and a fighter. Pete was smart as usual but smug as usual too, which is becoming tiresome (you're still just a small town mayor, dude).
Ideal candidates are as common as unicorns. So I'm going to stop searching for one. Elizabeth Warren is plenty good and that's good enough for me.
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I don’t like watching the candidates attack each other.
But, Trump will certainly attack below the belt. If the candidate is going to crumple, or can’t retaliate effectively-
We need to know, ASAP.
As painful as it is to watch, it’s useful information.
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I’ve never understood the support for Sanders; he talks but that’s about it and recently he’s become a raging, anger senior. As for Warren, she was a consideration but after last night, well she was an embarrassment. Why can’t these people manage themselves? I mean they’re supposed to be statesman (states people?). Trump has absolutely no self control and after what I saw last night, neither do the original five. Although Bloomberg got hammered, he maintained professionalism. That’s what I want representing the country I live in. Bloomberg must have wondered “this is a political debate?” Just a bunch of overly emotional government reps.
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@SandraL You want a businessman to represent America with the help of elite technocrats? Bloomberg was struck dumb. He expected politesse in the face of his grandeur but learned that to the outside world, he's human as anyone else.
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Warren was just ranting at the debate. She has transformed from a sensible progressive to an erratic shouter with nothing anchoring her philosophy. She's dumped Medicare for all and proclaimed "I'm a capitalist!". What's next? I hate to think about that possibility.
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@Roger T Oh gosh, another male sensibility offended by an angry Warren. Have you never seen her go after a corporate miscreant in a hearing? They're on YouTube and quite thrilling. She is a capitalist and wishes that monopolists would get out of the way so there could be more capitalists allowed to grow without being killed or devoured by Amazon.
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What do Bloomberg supporters see that I absolutely do not? He makes Biden sound eloquent and he does it with a patronizing, Al Gore half-smirk. Warren is even tempered and well spoken, but the commenters here—especially the men—seem to hear her voice in an entirely different register.
I’d have my lazy, entitled, female millennial ears checked, but I have a pre-existing condition (juvenile arthritis my parents chose not to treat!) and earn ~$4/hour before taxes as a contract worker, so I’ll just eat my steamed rice dinner and hope that a nice rich man will tell me the truth about the world.
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What do Bloomberg supporters see? A paycheck. Bloomberg buys his supporters.
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I recorded the debate and have replayed it a few times and came the conclusion this was no better than a Jr. HS President debate, but with much more screaming and trying to score gotchas. I found it pathetic.
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Personally I think her attacks were repugnant. I would never vote for her.
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She's been pandering in Nevada. Promises to pay off all gambling debts.
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All of these candidates need to get in a room and, as Democrats, sort out the boundaries of this campaign. As it stands now, they are simply adding fuel to the eventual reelection of Trump. Time to put aside the rhetoric for winning the nomination and know what the American people need from this party. I don’t think what is currently happening is working.
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I truly hope last night's debate helps Elizabeth. I am amazed by the way that the press and so many in the Democratic party give Bernie a pass when he evades questions. He gets away with things that other politicians don't. Unless, of course, you compare him to Trump.
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Where does this kind of thinking come from? We have an amazingly smart and passionate group of candidates. You may disagree with them on policy nuances, but overall, they are far more patriotic and thoughtful than any republican in the Senate or White House today.
Voters are thinking hard about each of them and who articulates the best vision for the nation's future. They are doing their job. We do not owe pundits and analysts any apology for taking our time in making what is probably one of the most important voting decisions of our lifetime.
There is no reason for this decision to be made now or to satisfy a deadline. I have been for Elizabeth Warren since the beginning but I see merits in every Democrat on that stage.
The drama is just beginning. Let it unfold in its own time. The stakes are too high to do otherwise.
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It's not her debate performance which scares me. It's the fact that she wants to cut my income in half, take away my health care insurance, raise my income tax, my capital gains tax, and my payroll tax, and tax my financial investments, my wealth, and my death!
I'm a mid career physician who went to school for 25 years to be a doctor. I've practiced for almost twenty years and yes, I make a good income. But I'm not made of money. My income has ranged from $125k -$325k and averaged in the high 200s. I've saved my pennies and am now comfortable. Is that outrageous for a quarter century of schooling and training and a daily life for almost two decades of very fast paced, high stress, life and death decision making? According to Warren and Sanders, it is. So I won't vote for her no matter what her debate performance.
And if she wins? I will probably retire. I wonder what that will do for health care access?
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@rob
Why 25 years? No offense meant, but please explain....
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Replace all you said with my peak income of, barely, $35,000/year: seven years of college—two degrees, worked hard, served the public, PLUS regularly support multiple agencies I believe do important work. I have no sympathy for you.
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@Marcus Aurelius: college+medical school?
Warren was TOXIC last night. Why would you replace Toxic Trump with the female version.
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Exactly!!!!
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Did she mock disabled people? Did she call Bloomberg ‘little Mick’ or whatever? Did she call him ‘nasty’ and threaten to lock him up? Pray, tell me what was toxic about her, and not about Bernie Sanders (shouting and fist waving) or about Buttigieg (nagging endlessly about Klobuchar).
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@Greg
Why? Well, because she has a strong Native American heritage...Hmmmm... Whoops! That won’t work, I guess...
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Whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. I doubt there were any winners or losers in Vegas.
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They all lost last nite. It was uncivil. We need to get our act together to focus on the tyrant Trump and not each other. We are playing right into Putin’s plans for 2020. Wake up people!
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The Democrats would be foolish to nominate this strident, inconsistent, pie in the sky, unelectable screecher.
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What does it mean if you get a message that your comment is approved by when you follow the link you see “your comment is currently not available”. Does anyone have an idea what that means? It happens especially often in case of comments relating to Israel, I have noticed. But about Elizabeth Warren?
I get that sometimes too. NYT has never explained why when I’ve asked, several times. But I think it’s a computer glitch, not the Comment Editors just being picky. Almost always comments that follow their protocol get the ok. Glad you brought it up.
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Is there any thing that Warren does that the NYT's doesn't offer up with one hand and take away with the other? She had a fantastic debate and your summary under the headline is that it may be too late? Not one of her zingy lines? Not how she may confound those who counted her among the dead? Instead, it's yeah, but...
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Warren reminds me of Hillary; always attacking men because they are men.
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@John OBrienj
No; attacking men who behave badly. That's not all men. Just those ones.
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The premise of this article is dumb. Only two states have had their primary/caucus. How can it be too late? The framing makes zero sense.
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@L It’s because debates have not proven to influence elections. Warren’s debate performance will likely have very little impact on her polling or performance.
@John
That hypothesis will be tested again Saturday. The proximity of the debate to the caucus is interesting in this case.
This is a caucus so the rule are a bit different. Given the format, the caucus is probably going to attract more of the party faithful who have made up their minds on a candidate. I can't see many of my co-workers who are Pete supporter changing to Warren.
@John
That hypothesis will be tested again Saturday. The proximity of the debate to the caucus is interesting in this case.
Problem is, Bloomberg is the complete gentleman compared to Trump. I don't think Warren ultimately proved much by beating up Bloomberg. Bloomberg, being a basically decent human being, looked chastened. Trump would have just got nastier. Trump doesn't bleed like a normal person, because he is a sociopath.
It wasn't quite a Christie/Rubio moment. It felt like Lizzie detonated the suicide vest on the wrong target at the wrong time. Although l appreciate her dilemma, I must admit I liked her a lot more when she was about her ideas, and wasn't attacking fellow Democrats in such a personal and muck-raking fashion. But perhaps she feels she no longer has the luxury of choice.
The process feels fundamentally flawed.
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Brilliant! “ a suicide vest at the wrong time and wrong place!”
I use to be a Warren fan (I'm from Mass.) and I thought she was a total embarrassment last night. Her yelling and constantly raising her hand I found horrible. I don't mind aggression but there is an art to it and she was just plain ole obnoxious. Biden won the evening in my opinion and Bloomberg? I thought he displayed stoic dignity and tried to stay above the rediculous spectacle whirling around him.
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Totally agree. Really a disaster especially for Warren.
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@lorraine parish
She was as the Grifter would say, tremendous.
Just imagine Warren and the Liar in a debate: he would be slapped silly.
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Have you not noticed Sanders doing exactly the same? Please look at the debate again. Sanders doing that all the time was what I noticed. Are you sure you are not being sexist? Watch the debate again. I mean it.
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I know NYT endorsed Warren, but was it "Warren's Dominant Debate Performance"? She shrieked a lot but dominant?
I don't agree.
She sounded rather desperate to me knowing last night was her live or die moment after decimal results of previous contest.
If she wouldn't finish top 2 after her "dominant debate", game is over for her.
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Someone who will torch anyone to get ahead. While she was dumping on the hapless Bloomberg, not a word about Trump. Not my cup of tea.
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Totally agree! There were three decent people on the stage: Bloomberg, Biden and mostly Amy. I did not like that Pete attacks Amy. They should be attacking Trump!
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Reading some of these comments is incredibly depressing.
The winner last night: Trump.
Last night's shout-a-thon was excruciating. There is nobody inspiring up there, and nobody took on Trump in any significant way. I cannot listen to Bernie or Elizabeth Warren when they are shrieking in desperation, as if we can't hear or understand their repetitive bleatings. Bernie refuses to disown his MAGAs, and I cannot believe Warren is so naive as to think that this country wouldn't run without the wealthy, who she is obsessed with trashing. We NEED the support of wealthy Ds, Rs, and Independents on our side.
Another thing - apparently, no one is ever allowed to move on from a mistake, no matter how bad, in this country. All we do is judge everyone every second of the day. Social media has unleashed Pandora's monsters of opinion - everybody seems to think it's ok to trash anyone for anything if they don't agree with it.
Sad, pathetic actually, and incredibly embarrassing. I have never been so disgusted in my civic life as I am today. There is no high road, at this point. What I wouldn't give to have President Obama back.
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If you think Warren can't go head to head with Trump, and win - think again!
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@Nancy
Warren has to win the nomination first. A first step would be for her to be competitive in a caucus or primary. Right now she is struggling with this challenge.
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@Nancy She would eviscerate Trump in a debate. His people even wouldn't let him debate her if she won the Dem nomination. Guarantee you that.
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Angry Liz - which is Brand Liz marketed by Team Liz (Persist!) - is probably no more electable than Nice Liz (though Nice Liz was Beta tested to mixed reviews), NYT endorsement and debate trophy notwithstanding. In the tradition of Mass. federal incumbent politics, Liz will be reelected to the Senate for decades to come if she wants. Mass. Liz Fans love their Angry Liz. But Mass. is not Toledo, or for that matter, Oklahoma City either.
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It's at the Democratic Convention, July 13–16, 2020 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at the Fiserv Forum that the 2020 Democratic nominee will be decided on, chosen and named.
Vice Presidents matter too. The team matters.
These individual state caucuses are like the 30 MLB teams playing/battling to win the place in the world series.
MLB WS is Oct. 20, a potential Game 7 would be October 28. The Dem convention is like the World Series. July 13–16
The nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates, est. in 1987, sponsors and runs the final debates.
The first of three presidential debates will take place in Indiana on 29 Sep. with two more in October. 5 debates in all.
Donald Trump should have a full mobile hospital response team from Walter Reed close by on alert during those 5 debates.
If the Dem speaker is Bernie, Biden or Bloomberg a second first responder team should be also on high alert and available.
The VP debate will take place on October 7 in Utah.
Vote in your State Primary then,
Watch the conventions for party platforms and nomination
Watch the debates in Sept/Oct
Vote for your POTUS/VPOTUS team on
Tuesday, November 3, 2020.
It will be the 59th quadrennial presidential election.
Everyone is calling Warren out for being mean or shrill. Seriously? If a man gave that same performance, he would be universally lauded today. The hypocrisy (from men AND women) about this is just insane.
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@steve: I disagree. Sanders was also his usual self...aggressive and shrill....and so just as unlikable as Warren.
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It is sickening and devastating. I hate Americans right now.
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@Hortencia So that's one comment about Sanders being shrill and roughly a thousand about Warren being shrill. Seems equal to me.
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I find her to be an angry, lecturing turn off. I don’t believe being hateful is a qualification for the presidency unless you’re Trump and God knows we’re drowning in that.
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Allowing early voting a few days prior to the debate is mighty dumb. 15-20% of the vote is already in the bank before everyone debated.
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@Edward V The rest were not likely to change their minds due to the debate.
We get it. The Corportracy doesn't want Elizabeth Warren to become president. According to corporate media she can't win. Yes, the same corporate media that told us Hillary Clinton was a sure bet.
Elizabeth Warren isn't Hillary Clinton. She'll earn every vote she gets, and they will be enough - and in the right places - for her to be the 46th president.
Because she can.
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@Vanessa Hall
Senator Warren needs to win the nomination first and right now her campaign is struggling.
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To all the commentators here complaining about how Warren was angry and shrill and on the attack in the debate last night, ask yourself this: have you ever made a similar comment about a male candidate? I didn’t think so. We have a long way to go in this country. Women are judged by a totally different standard than men. Just look at who occupies the White House.
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Yes I have, and his name is Sanders, aggressive, preachy, so shrill he’s ready to bust. Ugh. Criticism of Warren is not about male/female.
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I commented that nasty shrill witchy and so on are words that should be off limits, and cause for banning a comment because they are never used for men, even though men behave in the same way as women. They are also shrill (Sanders) and nasty (Buttigieg) but it is not called that way. But, my comment “is not available right now”. Whatever...
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@Elisabeth: My comment on the person who used those words is also "not available right now", and I don't find the original writer,either. Perhaps he or she was thought to be abusive and the comment and responses were all deleted.
So Warren, from the bottom of the pile, struck back by starting her first comment with a clearly rehearsed line that she was relishing using? And then used more (Powerpoints and PostIt notes)? And on and on.
That’s what passes for energy and controlling a debate? The first time you speak, literally going down the line and dropping an anvil on every single person?
Too little too late, and in her desperation she provided more talking points to the other side. Talk about putting yourself before your country.
What’s worse: It won’t even help her. Her televised script-fest was blowing up the house on your way out. Shame. We need to be united. At least for that Supreme Court nomination honestly, if nothing else.
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She can’t unite the party. I, along with a major chunk of Bernie’s base, will not rally around a slippery snake that wants a contested convention. Bernie is the only choice.
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@JM So if Bernie doesn't win the nomination, what do you do.
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@JM
Be realistic. You want Trump out? You'll vote for whoever the C nominee turns out to be. or maybe you're one of the snowflakes who sat out or voted for Jill in 2016 and gave us Trump. Try to see beyond being selfish.
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I was extremely disappointed with the “debate”.
The real winner was Trump -
I am beginning to really doubt that the primary goal of each of the candidates is to defeat Trump.
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Elizabeth Warren is my preferred president for an America that, unfortunately, does not exist. That 45% of my fellow citizens support this barbarian as president chills me to the bone, I could not have imagined this. But that doesn’t mean we have to put up with him.
This election will be won in the swing states, we know how Net York, California, Mississippi and Arkansas will vote. We have to choose a candidate who can win Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. That will be one of the moderates. Hopefully not Bloomberg, but vote blue no matter who.
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Warren did great in last night's debate, I hope it gives her a boost in the poles and gains her some major donors. It would certainly be nice to see a bit of intelligence returned to the White House.
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I was very disappointed with E. Warren's performance at the latest debate. Instead of using the time allocated to her to explain her program and show why she thinks that it is better than the programs of her competitors, she was yelling, screaming, and attacking M. Bloomberg viciously. To his credit, Mr. Bloomberg was quite dignified, and did not try to point out to her some of her serious shortcomings (such as her sad record of claiming that she is a Native American, and getting the benefits of this minority group to advance her career, at the expense of this minority group; the worst kind of white privilege is when it is used to exploit minorities, while claiming that they fight racism). Yelling and screaming does not win the arguments. Cool presentation of specifics of the plan would do. Her anger, interruption of others, eagerness to get her word in, were not appealing.
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She DOES have Native American ancestry. Is Not member of a tribe though.
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Her dominant showing? She is still a Progressive without a realistic program for the Voters. “Pie in the Sky” is a realistic description of her plans for the Nation. Her chances of installing any of her program for medical care is minimal, her free schooling, her wealth tax on the wealthy are all iffy at best. A Dreamer in Wire Rim Glasses. Granny Liz!
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I would wager that some Republican operatives are documenting every quip, each criticism and all the back-and-forth from every Dem candidate, past and present, this election cycle, to build an arsenal for The Donald to wield during the campaign. The ads the Republicans air will be endless. I’m ordering cases of microwave popcorn as we speak.
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@From Where I Sit This s done EVERY election.
To my fellow highly educated white women: It's THEATER! And last night she nailed it by bringing a very well-prepared Prof. Warren to the debate, the same one you can see on YouTube dissecting corporate miscreants like the ex-Wells Fargo CEO. She revealed Bloomberg's complacence with the impossible disclosure demand, plus covered a range of other bases, even contradictory ones (defending Klobuchar but slamming her policies) and got away with it. (One MSNBC commentator noted her in a collegial-looking discussion with Bloomberg on the break.) I think she also differentiated herself from Bernie who is dynamic but repetitive and declamatory.
One or two more of these, plus the Persist PAC, and she might have a real shot.
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The only thing that is "too late" about Elizabeth Warren's candidacy is the media and its tendency to treat a forum for political judgment about the future of the country as a horse race, betting on a future they cannot know. What's the point of speculation anyway, apart from providing a false sense of security and certainty. If only the media would recognize the character of Elizabeth Warren as a presidential candidate and her campaign. She clearly is the person to bring together the party behind herself, the unquestionably strongest candidate. And of course, there's the sexism that's shaping these external public opinions of her and her campaign. Just think if someone with her background, experience, accomplishments, and smarts were a man. She's in it to the end. Don't dare to bet against her or count her out.
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Warren's pit bull push on Bloomberg's NDAs was lame and all for theatrics. He answered weakly, but he shouldn't have.
NDAs have become a code for "some predator (man) hiding bad behavior." That isn't always the case, and there are different circumstances surrounding NDAs. But because they are legal agreements between two or more parties, you certainly can't just "release them" on public television. For Warren to demand that was insane and counter to all legal ramifications of breaking the agreements. As Bloomberg noted, some of the signers may have WANTED the confidentiality - perhaps they received a monetary settlement, perhaps they don't want to jeopardize their professional situations, etc. In any legal matter where there is a settlement, there was always the alternative to go to trial. Signers of NDAs choose not to. And if the agreement protected some accusation of bad behavior in return for cash, then breaching the agreement would require that the cash be returned.
To compare that to Mayor Pete asking to be released from an NDA that protected the names of corporate clients more than a decade ago is/was ridiculous as well. Keeping consulting relationships private is not necessarily nefarious, just good business practice. That's why undoing it years later was merely archival.
If someone does want to reveal the details behind a Bloomberg NDA, the proper channel might be to petition the court to reopen it - not truth or dare on TV.
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$5 million? Bloomberg is spending that much every day, at least. How can anyone win against someone with that much money?
Only her fans thought EW was "dominant." Dominant in the sense that a toddler throwing a tantrum is dominant. Desperate might be the correct description. I'm an "old" Democrat and watched with my old boomer friends. Yeah, she scorched Bloomberg in a manner that concluded in the group consensus with "thumbs down/can't stand her." But we'd vote for her if it came to that.
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I was dismayed at Warren's attacks. Democrats sniping at each other depress me. I see it as politics as usual, attacking the person at the top to get ahead, when this election is anything but politics as usual.
Democrats need to direct their venom against Trump. Bloomberg is not perfect, but compared to Trump, he is a saint. Those agreements at his companies were all over Bloomberg's personal conduct, right? Wbo knows, who cares. He is fighting Trump in a way no one else can.
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This is interesting coverage that seems to hastily conclude Elizabeth Warren is toast. She is currently third in delegates after two states, she is tied for third in polling with several other candidates nationally, and she is raising money at a respectable clip. Why focus, in particular, on her projected demise when she shares many of the same advantages...and disadvantages...with other candidates? She proved once again last night that she has the mettle and intelligence to slice through nonsense and get to the core of issues, while remaining calm and collected. I like that and would value that in a President.
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May the major media outlets take up Warren’s challenge to Bloomberg. How many nondisclosure agreements were made? Will Bloomberg, who wants the top job in the US government, allow those who want to come forward do so without retribution? If his answer is no, he needs to be called on it in the next week. Post MeToo women are not going to let this pass. Just as minorities will not back off stop and frisk. Enough is enough. And get his tax returns now. Bloomberg should be held to a high standard. How much ink have Warren’s “failures” as a candidate gotten thus far? Parity please.
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I live in California and was planning on supporting Yang until he dropped out. Elizabeth Warren's debate performance swayed me to her side. I found her to be passionate, persuasive, and cut Bloomberg up like a tuna. I hope I get to see her do that to Trump.
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A smart person would wait until after the votes come in to see if Warren's candidacy has received a boost.
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@Cynical It can't happen in Nevada. Most of those votes have already been cast. I'd wait for California to see if she's a legit candidate.
Out of approximately 330 million people in the USA, it is true some sent Warren some money last night. I found her performance extraordinarily unpleasant and would be greatly surprised if she does well in Nevada or subsequent primaries.
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The only issue concerning Warren is her electability against Trump. Otherwise, nothing else matters.
Why do so many pundits and columnists consider Warren's performance last night a winning one? I have liked her in the past, but she went beyond the pale last night for me. Her constant, vicious attacks on everyone, except perhaps Bernie, were full of extreme exaggerations, innuendo, and out and out falsehoods (Klobuchar's healthcare plan would "fit on a post-it note"). She interrupted more and was ruder than any other candidate so far in the debates. It reeked of desperation, and has ended any consideration I might give her for my vote.
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In the past 7 generations of my family, there has been at least one person serving in the US military. So when I look at whom I think should be POTUS, I always think about who is best to be CIC of our armed forces Because that is one job that we know POTUS will do.
Last night I saw two people on the stage who I think have the ability to understand complicated military structures and plans But I only saw one who I am confident has the incisive questioning ability, and moral integrity to seriously probe any military plans she is presented with.
That is Elizabeth Warren.
I was not surprised. I hope others will be considering as well just what mental qualities the job demands.
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Sure - she had some made for TV lines against Mike. But to me, she came across as shrill and wanting her way. Yes, she will get more money, and stay in the game a little longer. But she did nothing to persuade me to change my vote. If I want ‘socialism’ I’ll vote for Bernie. And if I want pragmatism I’ll vote for Mike/Pete/Amy. Not sure in which world I would vote for Warren.
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Warren is a smart woman who does her homework. She’s a believer in capitalism with guardrails.
By all accounts from people in a position to know, she’s a good boss and a wonderful teacher. She’s got great research and advocacy credentials, has a track record of getting things done for veterans and consumers, and so far as I can see, her passion for fairness is what’s driving her.
I think she would be a great president who will attract great talent to her administration should Democrats be wise enough to nominate her and the American people get behind here.
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Too late for Warren?
Last time I checked, you need about 2,000 delegates to win the nomination, and no candidate had more than 23. Or to put it another way, this race is far from over.
After a lot of thought, I've decided to cast my vote in the California primary for Warren. Why? To put it briefly: Because out of all the candidates, she's the only one I can imagine becoming a great president.
Pete's too inexperienced. Joe lacks energy and ideas. Bernie talks (or should I say YELLS) a good game, but he and his supporters do not play well with others, and Sanders has never shown the ability to build coalitions behind all of his great ideas. To the contrary, he and his Bernie Bros tend to alienate even people who share most of their political positions.
Nobody understands fiscal policy as well as Warren, and nobody has been more specific about what she wants to do and why. And I refuse to be cowed by people who claim that Americans won't vote for a woman.
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If it's too late it's because media coverage of Bloomberg and other trending candidates muddied the waters so much for donors and voters, rather than a miscalculation by Warren.
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It is absolutely impossible for Warren -a woman—to win an election against Trump. Both she and Sanders are too extremely left to appeal to moderate Democrats anyway. So far all the Democrats candidates are weak. The party would be better off focusing on the Senate and the House. It is the only hope.
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Five per cent of the voters will determine the winner in November: Independents and Undecideds. They will not choose Bernie. He comes across as angry and rigid, the Republicans will beat him over the head with his heart attack, and they will hang a "socialist revolution" sign around his neck. Can you name one of his legislative achievements?
Bloomberg is Trump with more money and better manners. Read up on his comments about women and non-whites. Do we really want an authentic billionaire at the helm to prove once and for all that America is truly for sale?
When both Houses of Congress were controlled by Republicans, Elizabeth managed to create the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the only concrete action taken to help the 99% in the wake of the 2008 crash. She gets results. She is passionate about fighting for working families and the urgent issues facing the 99%, without being rigid. Biden, Bernie, and Buttigieg together have lost thirty elections. She has not lost one, and is the ONLY Democratic candidate to have beaten a Republican incumbent.
As a championship debater since high school, she will outmaneuver Trump, refuse to be intimidated, and get under his skin, like Nancy Pelosi. She has the character, skill, and vision we need. She is the one to beat Trump.
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Warren has grit. She proved that last night by climbing out of the hole she was in. Her main problem is what is her lane? Her policies match up most closely with Bernie and he’s gobbled up the left. She’s not a moderate yet she seems to be rethinking that. She’s doesn’t fit the Biden, Amy, Pete moderate lane either. Where does she go? She went for broke and it paid off in buzz for her but spending so much time on Bloomberg may not ultimately have been the wisest choice.
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Raising money for screaming and acting insufferable does not equate with rising political fortunes in the Democratic Party. Bernie proved that in 2016 and is doing a repeat in 2020. Warren never staked out her own identity, she is an intellectual Bernie. She does not even have a strategy for winning the nomination. The reality is, outside of Bloomberg, none of them do.
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People keep wondering why she does'nt go after Sanders. I think it's an obvious strategy. She knows she's not going to sway any loyal Sanders voters at this point. First, she needs to steal votes from vulnerable moderates and get back near the top. Only then, will some Sanders voters taker her seriously and consider her as a viable alternative.
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The bias of this paper in all this really irks me. Only a tiny fraction of delegates have been awarded. Warren has shown in every debate performance, last night more than ever, that she would be a formidable challenger against Trump. She is undoubtedly the best communicator and hardest working candidate. She’s also shown she’s not afraid to go up against billionaire bullies like Bloomberg and the current White House occupant. Maybe if the media would stop writing off her candidacy as if it’s on life support and focused more on her policy proposals and unimpeachable guiding principles, more Americans would be hip to her campaign. She will be an extraordinary President if we’re brave enough to vote for her.
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I share many of your thoughts but she, quite simply, doesn’t have the money required to make a long run in the primaries. After Super Tuesday it will boil down to the two candidates with large sums of cash: Bernie Sanders and Michael Bloomberg.
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@Woodrow That's why she just agreed to finally be backed by a super PAC
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@Dabney L
Warren has an uphill battle. Really, her numbers need to improve and soon.
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Warren began to loose me when she started walking back her supposed commitment to Medicare-for-All.
After the New York Times' dual-endorsement, Warren began to play the "Her" card and went so far as to have her staffers accuse Bernie Sanders of all people of sexism. Sanders who has fought for womens' rights for 40 years and who begged Warren to run in 2016. With that move, Warren lost the millenial progressive vote and loosing that vote cannot win the general election.
Don't take my word for it... just read or watch progressive media on line.
Bloomberg is all but an open target. It is child's play to take him on over his outrageous record. It will not earn Warren much of a comeback with progressives.
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I’m a progressive who just contributed to her campaign, today, for the first time.
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Undoubtedly the "Moderate or Die" crew, featured here daily, will find 328 reasons why Warren can't go anywhere, since they don't want her to. All while arguing that one one hand this is all over and on the other that it could all be so divided that it will go to a second ballot at the convention. Here's a concept: death to punditry.
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@BarryNash
Here is a concept--try solving for her path to the nomination with the assumption of Sanders receiving 30-35 percent of votes/delegates and the other 4 candidates (Amy, Joe, Mike, and Pete) receiving only 10 percent each of the votes/delegates.
35 percent is Bernie's ceiling, but 10 percent is the floor for the other four and three of the four have demonstrated they can do better than 10 percent.
It isn't punditry, it is some simple conservative assumptions and math that show that Senator Warren has an uphill fight ahead of her.
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What I really want to see at these debates is someone who can show me that they have the ability to be President of the United States. Again this did not happen.
Warren was very very petty. As a Harvard Law Professor and U.S. Senator, I expected a very highly intellectual well thought out debate on such topics as foreign and domestic policy, the environment and health insurance. but instead I got a trashy, demeaning show of her personality that I don't feel are worthy of the presidential office.
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Could you say what, specifically, you thought was “trashy?” I can’t think of a word less suited to Warren, especially regarding her debate performance last night.
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For a sure win the Democrats need to pick up Independent’s. I’m looking for a moderate, and was hopeful the Party would not swing too far to the left. Many who lean conservative are looking for a Trump alternative. Sanders, and Warren probably are not it. Without a strong candidate, with wide appeal, we could loose our Democracy.
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It was the best line of the night, even if it was canned...
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Warren turned in a great performance. I’ll still support Bernie, but would be happier to have some (any) combination of the two of them on the ticket.
Bloomberg was an expensive bust. He looked like one of those aging monitor lizards and was telegraphing his dismissal of the entire process.
Biden was looking more and more like an old man mumbling about his past glory, which none of us remember as fondly as he does.
Pete might as well tell us he’s smart enough to be president because he stayed at Holliday Inn Express.
Amy seems nice enough, but that’s the problem. Nice candidates finish last.
Democrats need to run a real candidate who is tough and is proposing a sea change. Too many Democrats who are comfortable in their suburban neighborhoods were hoping Bloomberg or Pete will win on promises of competence and bipartisan solutions. That is a fantasy proved wrong by election and governing results of the last quarter century.
The DNC establishment doesn’t fear a Sanders defeat in November, they fear his victory.
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I thought Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg did not perform well last night. Warren just constantly attacked (primarily Bloomberg) and I think it backfired. I would find it very difficult to support her now. Pete also went too far in criticizing Amy Klobuchar. It was just unnecessary. The two of them forgot that the focus is on beating Trump, not beating up each other. Bloomberg was a disaster. He is a smart guy and needs to stay in the race because he really gets under Trump’s skin, but it would be difficult for him to get elected. And lastly, I just don’t get Bernie. He really has nothing constructive to say about HOW he is going to get things done. He sounds exactly like Trump. Promise what people want to hear. Right now, the only reasonable candidates are Joe, Amy and maybe Pete.
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I am totally confused about who can beat Trump, but I too was a high school debate champion. At 76 and retired I now debate with my Golden, Sugar, and still can't figure out why a nasty human being can remain as president.
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@Ron Has Sugar thought about a run? At this point they would have my vote.
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Your piece assumes a fact not in evidence: that Elizabeth Warren's debate performance was "dominant." YOU think it was. If she doesn't rise in the polls, or she loses badly in Nevada's caucuses, your next article will be: Why Didn't Elizabeth Warren's Dominant Debate Performance Translate? It could be that many who aren't experts saw the performance differently.
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@Slowman It's too late for this debate to make much difference in Nevada. 750K votes have already been cast. Last election, only around 850K were cast total in Nevada.
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Warren can't win, she has to many plans and no way of achieving any of them without a democratic Senate. Right now she's just a lot of hot air and no chance of beating Trump.
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@Figaro
Likewise for Bernie.
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Elizabeth is wonderful.
She is also unelectable against Trump.
Democrats no longer enjoy the luxury of discovering the perfect candidate. We need only one candidate to beat Trump, and she is not that candidate.
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@Pop "She is also unelectable against Trump." Yep, that's what the NY Times keeps telling you.
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I’m from Mike Bloomberg. Whatever is in the nondisclosure agreements is old news as far as I’m concerned.
And I’m truthfully finished with Elizabeth Warren. I felt her lecturing was disrespectful to the process and the audience.
This weekend I’ll be working phones for Mayor Bloomberg which I’ve done before. It’s what I can change so I put my energy there.
Bernie is too extreme for me and too dogmatic.
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@Jeanne M Old news. Same man.
I don’t get to vote but I’ve always been impressed by how well she understands her core issues. Her discipline and intelligence are attractive qualities in an age of “ politicians” who seem to have been trained from birth to perform for the camera. While they’ve been doing that, she’s been in the trenches getting dirty.
If I’m going into enemy territory, I want her to lean on.
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In 2016, enough Bernie Bros voted for Trump in MI, PA and WS to tip the election to Trump.
Senator Warren represents the best chance to unify the left wing with the center.
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@robsea69
Hillary also lost because enough independents voted for Trump. Warren will lose them too. Just her shrill finger wagging lecturing will be enough to turn them off.
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Bloomberg blew it on the response. He should have said: NDAs and alleged sexist comments from over 30 years ago don't make it into the top twenty issues about which most Americans care. How about focusing on climate change, health care, economic security, crime, immigration and ridding the White House of this current toxic sludge.
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@Hal She's already laid out her plans for all or most of those topics. Has Mike? Except for climate change, she would have owned him on those.
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I notice how riled up we all are.
We are like a pinball game, bouncing off the walls. We overreact to things in candidates that may not be important in the long run.
We Democrats have been suffering abuse from this administration for over three years and it’s no wonder we want what we want. We feel powerless.
We deserve to get to a rational relaxed place and revisit what is important to us without desperation or anxiety. If only for a few moments. When it is time, what we can do to further the eventual Democratic candidate, whomever it is? The Democratic candidate is a better option, no matter who they are. I hope we can let go of needing the exact right personality or program. Our government is not going to suddenly become communist no matter whom the candidate is and or what bogeyman the opposition is drumming up so the lefties are not going to destroy What’s left of our system. Our last three have been disappointing, annoying, frustrating, devastating, scary, and demoralizing. Of course we want something to go our way.
When we vote blue, no matter who, and when Trump loses, no matter who is the Democrat, it will be worth not getting exactly what we want. At least we will have a Democrat at the helm and that is going to be good news for all of us.
I am relying upon you all to be rational enough to vote blue no matter who, so your vote counts in support of America and the Constitution it is founded upon, and so I can have a few moments of relief from this.
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Warren’s boldness in confronting Bloomberg during the debate on his sexist remarks was refreshing. Way too often we ignore abhorrent behavior when it is attached to the rich and powerful. I was glad she showed her strength of convictions.
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Sounds like the throat surgery worked.
The problem for Warren was never how well she would do on attack but how many potential voters she would, at the same time, alienate. Every good ol' boy not yet woke years ago when he told jokes about horse faced lesbians was no doubt wincing a little at the pasting Bloomberg was receiving. These are the kinds of things more experienced politicians learn the hard way. Not sure where her strategist is. Warren needs to add a little love to the scold. Knocking an opponent to the ground is a great opportunity to offer him a hand up so compassion can be demonstrated.
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@Excellency Why don't those rules apply to the current President?
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@steve
because all those good ol' boys feel safe with Trumpy. I was looking at his Nuremberg rally in Co. Springs tonite for a few minutes and he refered to the Russian "HOAX" then extended his arm and rolled his fingers out across the crowd as if he were pulling people out of the crowd, gesticulating at them, as the word HOAX settled over the crowd. He wants them to feel under siege by referring them to his own condition. This is the old fascist trick. To suggest that "we" are under siege and must stick together and conquer the scurrilous enemy, the "other".
Democrats have a different task: To convince the majority that security for the minorities doesn't mean insecurity for the majority.
Before the debate, I thought that none of the candidates except Bloomberg can beat Trump. After the debate, I still think the same thing. BTW, I'm female.
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Warren has been out-performing Biden so far, but the media, including NYT, have been writing her off far faster than Biden. To me, she is the fresh, principled, thoughtful, youthful in spirit -- but seasoned in fact -- candidate that this country needs. Please judge her on what she actually has to offer, which far exceeds the rest of the candidates.
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Wrong! NYT ENDORSED HER
She's a fierce progressive with the plans to prove it who won't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Sign me up.
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The critics of Senator Warren almost feel that she should have brought the refreshments and served the coffee.
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@Bob Hillier
It would have added a nice personal touch to the whole thing.
To be President it's crucial that you can still be yourself while being comfortable with the role. Warren and every other candidate except Bloomberg demonstrated last night that just the prospect of being President warps them into vicious and self-hating freaks firing all barrels into their hysterical circular firing squad, because THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THEMSELVES! THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THEMSELVES BEING THE NOMINEE AND NOT ON WHO AMONG THEM CAN REALISTICALLY OUTGUN THE TRUMP / PUTIN / FINANCIAL / ZUCKERBERG RESOURCES TO WIN IN 2020! They want to be the nominee first at the cost of their personal integrity and Trump / Putin buying the 2020 election like they bought 2016. Only Bloomberg remained clearly comfortable with himself in the Presidential arena no matter the noise from the rest of them, noise that only lost them and the Democrats votes in November and had Trump giggling as he watched. BLOOMBERG & ABRAMS 2020!
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I don't like whiny men and I don't like whiny women so that rules out Sanders and Warren. Amy Klobuchar would make a mighty fine president in my opinion.
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Warren should quit the primary in favor for getting the job of US Treasury secretory. She will do phenomenal job in that role and can actually help real people there.
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That debate was so depressing that I had trouble sleeping. This is what we want in a president? we already have this. Insults. Yelling. Why? because someone is successful? earned his money honestly. Gives millions to charity and philanthropy. Not beholden to special interests. Not perfect for sure..but smart and accomplished. You do not have to like Bloomberg but if I were him I would step aside and let these mean spirited people just tear themselves apart.
The pundits loved Warren. I was completely disgusted with her. I kind of liked her until last night. That debate reminded of a hockey game when a fight breaks out. The crowd and the media loved it. The referees/moderators lost control and just let them interrupt each other.
Bloomberg is correct. That debate convinced me we will have another four years of this horrible Trump chaos.
I wont watch another debate. Complete waste of time.
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@Andrew Menkjes Thank you. The coverage afterwards was as disgusting as the debate. If the vile and vicious attacks of Warren is "winning," I want no part of it.
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I think these (too many) political debates are kabuki theater ... mainly the only people watching are journalists, political pundits, and people who now follow politics as a kind of sport (the trumpification//fox news-ification), your team vs mine.
I think we are all the worse for it.
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$52 milllion raised overnight?? Where did you get that number?
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@R.A. Williams because of people like me who sent her $50 last night
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Why? Only because of you people say that!
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Elizabeth Warren is smart and capable. Therefore the democrats hate her. They want a good old fashioned servant to the wealthy. A good moderate. One of the good slaves.
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Elizabeth Warren needs to realize that she needs to stop being hectoring and shrill....um, I mean stop attacking fellow candidates...um, I mean, why isn't she in the fray? She needs to be more aggressive...um, I mean she doesn't realize all her wonky plans are irritating...um, I mean, she doesn't explain how her plan is different from Bernie...um, I mean she is too ivory tower with her Harvard experience...um, I mean, she is too much in the swamp and we need a manager from NY, um, I mean...shrill...scold...eek! estrogen!...(faints).
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The Democrats should realize that the most important responsibility of the next president will be to clean up Trump’s mess, who by the end of his first term will have damaged America’s governing institutions, justice system, environment, financial stability, social fabric - the list goes on.
This will be an Herculean job that Bloomberg is more likely to accomplish than any other Democrat currently running.
Sorry guys, the revolution will have to wait for at least four years after Trump’s exit , and it better be next January at the latest .
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@Ran How is an out-of-touch billionaire with a history of racism and misogyny, who refuses to release his own taxes and brings immense conflicts of interest because of owning an international business supposed to clean up Trump's mess?
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It may be too late for Warren to be the front-runner, but it shows that she's still competitive. I anticipate a brokered convention, in which case, progressives and moderates will need to coalesce around a candidate who can build a broader consensus, and Warren may be the one. A brokered convention also would test whether Sanders could build a consensus beyond his base, as he will have to negotiate for delegates during a second round of voting. I like both Warren and Sanders, but I think Warren is the one who can bring us all together and, once elected, build support for progressive policies.
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@Sandra
We will find out if she is competitive this coming in the next 12 days or so.
Warren is in a very good place. Polling 4th nationally going into last night [behind Bernie, Bloomberg, and Biden], she showed why, once Bloomberg implodes [thanks to Warren, it's already started] and Biden continues fading, she will be able to move up into the 2 spot. She's not just the best debater and the one best poised to take on Trump -- she's also, quite convincingly [more convincingly than Bernie], the candidate who literally wrote the book on why and how american families are suffering. Give her campaign more coverage and more air -- and a few more debates like last night -- and she will go toe to toe with Bernie and start drawing even wider support.
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@JD
Let's be clear: fourth place is not a good place.
It is even worse, when the candidate has slipped since December. People looked and moved on. The Progressive Left is tied up by Sanders. Getting voters back is a hard business. She is not built to compete in the center. .
Warren has a long steep hill to climb before March 3 if she is going to get back in the race.
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@Sendero Caribe 4th place is fine if the two places ahead of you are held by Bloomberg and Biden. The latter might have surprising staying power, but that campaign seems to be running out of steam...
Elizabeth Warren has been my choice to win the nomination since late spring of last year. I was sufficiently impressed by her performance in the first debate to learn more about her. And the more I learned the more my support for her grew.
I am unable to understand why so many are opposed to health care for all. Many argue it is too expensive but this is incorrect. With the removal of the profits now made by insurance and drug companies and all the bureaucracy of so many different insurance companies, the net cost of health care has to appreciably go down with a single payer plan. Of course, one also has to believe that every American has the right to free health care.
Over the past month or so I had consoled myself that she is unlikely to win the nomination. With her performance last night my hopes have rekindled somewhat but I remain less than optimistic about her chances for success.
As I stated in a comment many months ago, I still believe she has the capabilities to be one of the best presidents our country has ever had.
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@Richard Phelps
Health care is not free.
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You really think the insurance and healthcare companies will bend that easily. We are just going to end up with Obamacare 2.0. People seem to forget that Obama’s first attempt was at Universal healthcare, which was shot down quickly. As someone who tried Obamacare, I don’t want Universal healthcare if it’s anything like that.
Healthcare, like everything else in life should be earned. My job places me as a 1099 contractor at a rate that is substantially less than minimum wage so I cannot afford health insurance. My last medical visit was my Army pre-discharge physical 40 years ago. That’s how capitalism works. Your labor has the value your employer places on it. That value gets you whatever you have in life. Neither your employer or the taxpayer should have to fund anyone’s lifestyle.
Dominant performance? As Hillary has already proven, the voting public gets tired of a woman who stands on a platform yelling and lecturing at her audience. Elizabeth is Hillary on steroids.
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@Hozeking Only the sexist part of the audience.
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@Hozeking It has worked exceptionally well for Trump and Sanders. How do you explain that? Because they are men?
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Exactly! Double standard. The men are somehow allowed to be bullies who scream at each other and at the public.
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Elizabeth Warren comes across as a public scold. It's important to not confuse the ability to attack with the ability to be great.
Actually none of the Democrat candidates impress me, but, in order to get Trump out of the White House, I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. But I'm not changing my mind about Sanders, I still say he's too far left to beat Trump.
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Who cares?
Really, last week is was Amy's surge in New Hampshire (a third place finish and less than 20 percent of the vote) and the week before Pete's marginal win in Iowa. Today it is Warren. Big deal. Will she get 20 percent? Doubtful.
Meanwhile the Bernie wagon rolls on as does the news cycle..
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Too late for Warren's campaign? When only two percent of voters have had a chance to express their choices?
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@farhorizons
Fair enough. Perhaps she will crack the 20 percent barrier this weekend.
She has a math problem--assume for a moment that Bernie is worth about 35 percent of the vote in most contests, she is competing to create a majority with about 65 percent of the pie. It is hard. She has do better than 20 percent, starting this Saturday and Super Tuesday.
Performance is the right word. And that is not a compliment. The histronics are exhausting and a losing strategy.
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Okay. How about this:
Warren winning the nomination, with Sanders as her vice-president. Don't know if that would appeal to either of them.
As far as winning the debate, no one wins these political debates. No one DEBATES. These silly spectacles bear no relation to the kind of debating I was taught in high school, and that Lincoln and Douglas, and Kennedy and Nixon took part in. It's a boxing match. This is show biz.
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@persona -
Oh, god, please no. Even "anyone but Trump" me would vomit at having to vote for that ticket.
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Warren interrupted people during their turn and spoke longer than the designated allowed time, and for this behavior, she is designated a fighter and winner. I thought she was rude. I didn’t see the magic. But then again, I’m out of touch and a fight always draws a crowd; so, she will get a bounce and money.
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The passion and conviction- of blowing a gasket? The double standard continues to amaze me.
Not living in Massachusetts I contributed to Warren's campaign for Senator. I have 2 T shirts that say: The Best Senator Money Can't Buy, nevertheless I can't support her bid for President. I find her attitude hectoring and off putting, her tone is that of a teacher repeating the same message in the same tone, she can't convey the passion and conviction of Bernie Sanders.
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Warren lied about her heritage and why she left her first job, what makes you think she’s telling the truth now? She’s just trying to cash in like she always does.
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@JOSEPH Evidence?
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Hard to see how Warren would deal successfully with difficult people like Putin or Kim Il Jong.
She has no diplomatic skills.
Not the right person for the job.
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I lost confidence in her by her poor showing in New Hampshire ... disappeared for weeks and let Bernie take her to the cleaners, now she decides she’s a fighter, really? No days off if you’re the chosen one against Trump.
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Warren still has potentially the best shot at bridging the divide between left and center. She is a capitalist reformer, not a socialist. So while she may champion an agenda similar to Bernie's, she doesn't share his labeling problem. Plus she is far enough left to be acceptable to most of Bernie's youthful base.
Warren seems to have emerged from her winter hibernation. The smell of fresh blood may have pulled her out of her slumber. She is a good debater and at her best when angry. In terms of debating skills she is probably the best qualified to take on Trump mano-a-mano and clearly relishes the opportunity.
It's not too late for her to once again catch fire. But it won't happen unless dreamy centrists stop fooling themselves about the bogus superior "electability" of Bloomberg and Biden and jump on board.
And where are the women? Has the trauma of Hillary permanently silenced them? If women were to unite behind Warren she could coast to the nomination.
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@woofer
I don't see how a bridge connecting the divide between left and center is useful when the Bernie's support is firm. Left is left and this lefty has about 25-35 percent of the vote. His supporters are probably not moving.
Additionally, the middle is firm, although split among four candidates--Mike, Joe, Pete, and Amy.
Suppose for example, Bernie has 35 percent (his ceiling) that leaves 65 percent split among five candidates. Let's suppose each candidate has a floor of 10 percent of the vote.
So, 5 times 10 equals 50 percent. Bernie gets 35 percent. That leaves 15 percent in play for the five to fight over. If one of the candidates leaves, that moves the votes in play to 25 percent. There is not a lot of space here for the five.
While this is hypothetical, it shows how difficult the math is with the current field. Candidates need to exit to move the needle.
Where Warren fits is a problem because it is unclear if an exit by any of the four will automatically benefit Warren.
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@woofer And to the White House!
Warren can across as divisive and should have focused on the tyrant Trump and McConnell. Her attacks came across as nasty and I am really fed up with the negativity and we want some POSITIVE change and thoughts. The overall debate and moderators were a disaster. Then DNC needs to re-group.
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The presidential nominating system in this country is an absolute joke and total waste of gargantuan amounts of time and money. Senator Warren and the others (and their paid and volunteer staff members) spend months - more than a year already for some - doing the difficult and thankless work of retail campaigning. They spend tens of millions of dollars to literally blanket the airwaves with advertising. And it means zero if they don't have a doozy of a debate. Warren had her best night! She zinged 'em all good! But if she isn't in everyone's face in two weeks at the next debate, we'll be back where we were. It's all such a waste. Bring back the smoke-filled room (without the smoke, please).
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I am a Democrat. I will vote for the Democratic candidate.
It is time for the minority candidates to caucus.
IMHO, any candidate who directly attacks Trump's vulnerabilities will garner more support than one who attacks another Democrat.
Stick to Trump's lack of integrity.
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Warren pulled a Kamala, what good did it it do Harris.
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There was nothing about the attacks on Bloomberg which surprised me. We all knew they were coming. What surprised me is that he didn't seem to know they were coming!
His answers were pathetically flat-footed. He didn't have counter-attacks or heartfelt apologies or even subject changing tactics prepared? Yikes.
Still, I remain convinced that not only Bloomberg by far the person most capable of beating Trump, but also the most capable of achieving Democratic goals as president. I believe his combination of pragamatism, hyper-competence, data-driven decision making, lack of ideology could make him a very unifying, and therefore transformative, president.
Mike's got my vote.
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You guys are praising Warren for her debate performance yesterday but you forget one very very important thing. Trump will not keep listening quietly like Bloomberg, he’ll mock her for her lies and reveal her inauthenticity. And that’s a big problem. As seen in October, Warren performs badly when under attack.
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@Jane She can give it too. Trump lies more on an average Tuesday than she has throughout her entire career.
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The debate has only been over about 17 hours and already her histrionic, wheedling, cheap-shot performance feels like a big bag of gas that looked good on the way up, but then quickly deflated and fell back to earth with a thud.
How many votes did it change in Nevada? I'd say a net zero. How many in South Carolina? That's probably a negative number as African Americans become refocused on her as someone who cheated identity politics to slide into undeserved jobs.
After falling under the mandatory 15 percent to tally delegates in those two states, where is she? Stuck between Bernie and the Moderates trying to oppose him.
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Elizabeth Warren, please.
And media, please stop dissing and dismissing her. She's great.
Meanwhile, I'm sick and tired of the excuses, dismissal, and conspiracy ideas of Berniebusters and Bernie bullies. I don't like the use of Bros because it's male and female. It's a significant portion of his supporters, and they should stop being so dismissive and really work at stopping it.
I love Bernie's ideas, but I am coming to intensely dislike his hectoring, bullying, domineering, simplistic insistence that he can just wave a magic wand. He's too much like Trump.
We need reason, experience, and hard work if we are to survive. All this hating and blaming is getting us nowhere.
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So far Warren has the third highest number of delegates of eight candidates. Why is the news media so eager to write her off?
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I think we know why... (But a hint anyway: starts with “s” and ends with “exism”.)
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There are way too many debates and they have been going on for, what seems like, forever. I'm sick of all the candidates! Sanders is a left-wing version of Trump. Pathetic.
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After last night, Warren has my full support. Sanders has a history of comments as an adult about the Soviet Union and Cuba that would make a college sophomore blush. Bloomberg’s misogyny is appalling. Biden apparently suffers from sundowner syndrome. Pete and Amy are decent but not particularly charismatic, the Jeb Bush of the Democratic Party.
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Correction Biden is exhausted, not agitated. Talk about overstaying one's welcome.
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Elizabeth Warren's behavior really turned me off. I guess I'll support her if she's the eventual nominee, but she lost my primary vote.
No, you are not running against Bloomberg. You are running against Trump. What an awful person.
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@JoanP No. Right now she's running against Bloomberg, and Pete and Amy and Bernie, and Joe and that other billionaire and that shady lady in the all-white. Just talking about Trump isn't going to win the Dem nomination.
Out of the gate, Ms. "I have a plan for everything" went right for Bloomberg's jugular and on the face of it, she made the former NYC mayor cower ever so slightly.
Reality check: Was Warren accusing Bloomberg of sexual harassment or members of his company? How long ago did Bloomberg supposedly call women fat broads or horse-faced lesbians? Was it in high school, college or when he was in a bar with some of his buddies having some drinks 35 years ago. Did he actually use those terms?
Warren has gotten a bump from that and some other exchanges she had last evening but, another reality check is that her campaign is on life support and the clock is ticking: T-minus 14 days and counting until her tent gets packed up.
She is fortunate that she did not leave her day job. Good riddance.
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@Spacetime So why did Bloomberg not say all that you think he could have said in his own defense?
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@Elisabeth Hi Elizabeth, I am not Mayor Bloomberg's spokesperson nor is my mind reading capability as precise as it used to be but, I could only guess that initial shell shock may have gotten in his way to articulate w/ full clarity. It was obvious that he was not the seasoned debater on the stage but, in my opinion he did hold his own during the second half of the evening. I am in favor of MB's getting the nomination and the WH so I can only project my hope that he will quickly evolve into this new role that he will have to play which, I hope will include weekly televised "fireside" chats to our nation. He will by default take on the role of the Great Communicator and reduce the Imperial Presidency that has emerged and grown during the past half century or more. Time will tell how he wishes to handle this.
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@Spacetime. If he was shell shocked, he's not ready.
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Warren “the winner” - the woman who called out Pete for his fund raising - and now she has a Super PAC - just as she claimed Native American heritage. What else has she covered up? Sure she took on Bloomberg but in a shrewish manner. And now this. People in glass houses don’t throw stones. And high and mighty Bernie - is he going to donate his money? The media are such suckers!
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@Barbara Shrew, witch, nasty, shrill. All discredited terms as they are only used for women, and there is no behavior unique to women. This comment section almost made me puke over Americans blatant sexism.
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@Barbara She actually does have Native American ancestry.
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Democrats looked like a kindergarden outfit. Cutting eachother down like trees. Egos on full display. Bloomberg was the only senaoble person on that stage. Focus people.
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If this debate performance doesn't save the lagging campaign of Elizabeth Warren, she should just step aside for Bernie. There would be no where else for her to go. If she runs better than Bernie in Nevada, however, then there's a Democratic race on our hands.
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@Logan Bernie should step aside for Warren. It is the only sensible thing for him to do. He has no chance as a socialist in the US, while she, with her agenda of reforming capitalism has. But his male ego will probably prevent him from doing the sensible an honorable thing. Ah, well: men....
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The question is whether she will peel off Sanders supporters.
During the debate she didn't appear to give any reason why they should desert him and go to her. I didn't detect any policies where she drew a strong difference between his policy proposals from his. The only difference was that she said that she was a capitalist and I doubt for many Sanders backers that this is something that will compel them to rush to her side.
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@Steve
I think it is apparent that Sanders own the "progressive" brand at this point and she simply cannot complete. Peeling off Sanders supporters is not productive.
The best thing she can do is pivot to the left-leaning middle. This might work. The problem she has is that Bernie shows up and picks up 35 percent and she is left trying to cobble together something with the remaining 65 percent. So basically, Pete, Amy, Joe and Warren are fighting over a reduced pie--getting to 50 percent plus 1 (majority) is tough when only 65 percent is realistically in play.
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I can’t understand why, with a candidates as qualified as Warren, the Democrats would go with Sanders or even Bloomberg. If people aren’t going to vote for a woman, they aren’t going to vote for a Democrat, anyway. End of story.
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@Michael Livingston’s
" If people aren’t going to vote for a woman, they aren’t going to vote for a Democrat, anyway."
Aaah, no. Some of us make decisions based on the candidate's policies, rather that the candidate's genitals.
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Definitely not too late.
They've really only just begun their fight over the 95% or more of the delegates remaining that are definitely still up for grabs.
Elizabeth Warren's performance in the debate last night and the ongoing viral coverage of it is the kind of publicity that money can't buy.
Everybody thought that Bloomberg was going to be able to buy the nomination. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
Bernie has been injured to the point that he will never get the delegates he needs to win the nomination on the first ballot, and a bunch of partisan Democratic delegates will NOT nominate an independent democratic socialist when they have loyal Democrats like Warren available to vote for on a second ballot at the convention.
Joe Biden is still the frontrunner if nobody gets the 1991 delegates they need to win on the first ballot.
But Elizabeth Warren has closed the gap and has shown the world how she's going to dismantle Donald Trump in the general election debates unless he chickens out (I think he will chicken out).
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@S Butler
Closing the gap between Joe and herself is hardly an accomplishment given, that Joe is running third or fourth.
@S Butler
Another Warren supporter I see.
Really, Bernie has 35 percent of the vote and delegates tied up. Peeling these voters off and flipping them to Warren is not a realistic expectation.
Bernie has 35 percent and everyone is fighting over the remaining 65 percent. Divide 65 by 2 or 3 candidates and see what you get. It is uphill for everyone.
@Sendero Caribe You've been running into a lot of Warren supporters? Interesting.
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Independent here - desperately looking for someone that can lead the country with both intelligence and character. Buttigieg impressed me with the eloquence, character, and calm resolve that made Obama appealing to many. Biden is not an option in this century. Warren and Sanders must be hoping that nobody is going to attack their math. Klobuchar needs a song other than 100 bills. Bloomberg has a lot of flaws, but he has a lot of assets (other than those in his pocket) if the party wants to beat Trump in November. Pete by a nose, but I don't get to vote :(
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Sen. Warren is my second choice for the nomination. She showed some real honest to goodness moxie last night. Nice to see someone finally stand up and really give it to the 1% in their face. She may have moved up to my first choice. Still time to decide. l would love to see her debate Trump, he would need to do a little more than stalk her to be intimidating.
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I don't think anyone who has followed Warren for a while questions whether she is a fighter. There are other issues around judgment that makes me question whether she should be president.
- Last summer when Biden was running against Trump, Bernie was running against billionaires, and several other candidates were running against Biden, Warren seemed to be running against Mark Zukerberg. Granted, Facebook has some serious issues, but Zukerberg isn't the big bad of the 21st century, and isn't it someone else's job to regulate businesses? She seemed to be running for the wrong position.
- She amped up her campaign against billionaires to the point where she made one cry and then sold mugs on it. Shaming a segment of the population feels a bit Trumpian.
- She's pulled the sexism card a few too many times, and I say this as someone who considers herself somewhat of a feminist. When Biden accused her attitude of being elitist, she claimed it was sexist. When Bernie overtook her in the polls, her campaign leaked a comment that he didn't think a woman would be elected president. And her most notable attack on Bloomberg last night was - you got it - about sexism.
- During the impeachment hearings, she submits a question that sounds like it is questioning Justice Roberts, which Adam Schiff seems embarrassed to respond to.
- Following Trump impeachment charges on obstruction of justice, her response is that, as president, she would instruct her DOJ to investigate her political rival.
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"Zukerberg isn't the big bad of the 21st century"
I disagree. You should listen to The Daily podcast about Child Sex Abuse videos and imagery passed through Facebook apps, specifically messenger. The company response has been to tighten encryption of messages making their internal flagging process nearly impossible to find this horrible filth because finding it means kicking users off the platform which hurts the bottom line. He, and other tech billionaires, are criminally negligent in what should be an absolute no brainer. But alas the all mighty dollar is much too important to than the protection and dignity of children. So, yeah, I disagree, he and Bezos are genuine despotic villains.
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Warren's bounce has popped her up to a 3% chance to win the Democrat's nomination. She's helping Trump more than herself at this point.
She's done, of course.
Last week she said she would not attack her fellow Dems, would not 'tear down the Party.' This week she attacked Bloomberg 11 times, giving a huge boost to Bernie. And none to herself.
What's odd is that Bernie is an Independant, a Democrat only for Presidential elections. She tossed her party under the bus for an Independant. Socialist.
Sure, the pundits want to keep her around, but they also want to keep Trump around. For the mad money he makes them.
Bottom Line: Warren has helped Trump more than anyone else. Support for her and Bernie might as well be votes for Trump at this point.
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@Rob To all the people who complain about Sanders running for President as a Democrat, do you really want him to run as a third party candidate?
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According to people who were in the debate room last night, perhaps the most interesting moment occurred when the candidates were off-mike and out of sight to TV viewers. Apparently, during one of the commercial breaks, the battered Bloomberg and the battering ram Warren got into an extremely cordial conversation, with evidence of what seemed to be genuine good feeling. I think there are two Warrens. There's the one who comes on as the ferocious, unyielding know-it-all, here to tell you where you've got it all wrong. The other is relaxed, funny and down-to-earth with an ability to laugh at herself. In a recent New Yorker profile, I got a sense of this Warren when she was heard to joke despairingly about her dog who leaves chew toys all over the living room. I am put off by the self-righteous, hectoring public Elizabeth. I wish she wouldn't confine the other Elizabeth to private moments.
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Warren was not simply awful but really desperate and even ridiculous. I am a retired professional female and I would be HORRIFIED if the NDA I once signed was suddenly brought out because some desparate candidate decided for me that I must have been intimidated, cowed, desperate, whatever. I'm none of those things--and I was not then. Instead I was strong and wise and said compensate me, don't retaliate and don't do it again--and we agreed and I got paid and agreed to not discuss it. I have no problem not discussing my personal business with others. Mike Bloomberg was right, both parties agreed. He honored it and sealed his lips, as he agreed to do on his part. Warren also knew--and that is her undoing as far as my previous support.
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@Jazzmani With all respect to your situation - she never demanded that all NDAs be brought to the public. She asked Bloomberg to release anyone who WANTED to speak about their experiences. You would apparently prefer that women who were pushed into NDAs (and we know that there are many reasons why a woman subjected to sexual discrimination or harassment would sign an NDA in the first place) are forever forbidden from discussing what actually happened to them in order to protect the harasser/discriminator (I'm sure many of Weinstein's victims would have an argument with your logic). As VP Biden effectively pointed out, most women are not given a choice to sign an NDA - it's typically the only recourse they have to get any compensation for their pain and suffering. Bloomberg was the person on that stage who came off as "simply awful... really desperate and even ridiculous", not Senator Warren.
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Why should we (voters) have to decide on buying a horse (voting) without having the opportunity to look it in the mouth (shine light in all the dark crevices)? His taxes, business affairs, employment actions and yes, legal entanglements, are fair game.
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@Mark Hawkins We disagree. YOU do not know that even a single one of these persons wishes to speak. I have a background as an investigator and I do not agree that "most women" are somehow coerced. NO.
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As a progressive candidate, she is, by temperament, HEALTH, intelligence, coalition building, experience, platform issues, and YES-by having a plan for everything, a far more desirable candidate than Bernie. That Warren is not far and away the top candidate is pure misogyny.
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@Colleen
Nonsense. Playing the misogyny card is cheap. In your framework we either support Warren or we are misogynists. I reject your false choice.
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All the middle aged commenters here clearly are not keeping up with things online. After Warren’s backstabbing attacks on Bernie in recent weeks (calling him a sexist, intentionally trying to catch him on a hot mic, disingenuously attacking M4A with argument she knows full well are illegitimate, and recently accusing him of trying to burn the party down!) a growing number of Bernie supporters have moved from “Warren is my clear second choice” to “Never Warren”. Sometimes I think I’m one of them.
Thing is, Warren has shown her true colours. She is calculating, and appears to be easily misled by her staff (perhaps her meritocratic mind is dazzled by their supposed ‘expertise’, blotting out her own, much better, political instincts?).
Warren WILL NOT fight for M4A. She has already told us that. Warren has voted for all of Trump’s defense budget increases and is substantially more hawkish than Bernie. She has too often placed her ambition ahead of her own morals (not endorsing Bernie in 2015/6, backpedaling on M4A, the whole Native American thing...).
Warren went into this race one of my favourite politicians ever. I thought she’d run away with it. She will exist this campaign a persona non grata with large swathes of the progressive left. It is heartbreaking.
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The media is bound and determined to get rid of Elizabeth Warren. They’ve barely covered her in recent months. Could it be because all of the media is owned by big corporations?
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@Cindy Mackie
Yes. It's definitely a conspiracy. No other possible explanation.
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Already tired of her. Can’t imagine four years. Lots of accusations and finger pointing. Not much was spoken about real issues for real people.
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Warren v. Bloomberg on NDAs.
It was not Bentsen destroying Quayle-
"...You're no Jack Kennedy..."
but it was close.
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@Lefthalfbach Bush/Quayle won , remember. Debate zingers rarely matter.
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NDAs are the ultimate quid pro quo add for every one that Bloomberg or one of his executives signed, there was a woman in the other side as well. Unless you can demonstrate severe distress for each and every offer, they need to be left alone.
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Elizabeth Warren reminded us all of the powerhouse that she is and how she would take on Donald Trump. She masterfully debated every single point that came up last night. She had a specific and clear answer to every concern and policy debate. She's done the work, she has the experience. I was on the fence, but no longer. She has my vote. She is clearly Presidential material.
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A powerhouse? Yeah, like Trump, exploding with narcissistic rage and talking points from Fox. If NYT hadnt endorsed her they would reveal her vicious distortions such as what Bloomberg really was saying about redlining etc.
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This was the Elizabeth Warren that I've long admired. I'm glad "she persisted" after being written off after Iowa and New Hampshire. She has the passion and charisma and brainpower to be the candidate who represents the progressive wing of the party. Even though Bernie Sanders has a big lead, too many Democrats view him as totally unacceptable while Warren does not engender the same backlash. I hope her revitalized performance, especially her demolition of Michael Bloomberg, results in significant showing in Nevada, South Carolina and on Super Tuesday. There must be a progressive voice on the Democratic ticket and Elizabeth Warren has that voice.
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I was happy in the beginning of campaign season that in Senators Sanders and Warren, we had two progressive candidates who didn't attack each other and promised not to take corporate and PAC donations. I thought that if there was a brokered convention, they might combine their delegates and one of them would cede to the other.
But my respect for Elizabeth Warren has eroded since she suddenly switched gears. She is now running as a middle candidate between Sanders and the others. I wonder what made her change her strategy?
At last night's debate she agreed with most of the other candidates that superdelegates should weigh in rather than following the will of the people. How disappointing!
I don't know what she believes in anymore, and that makes me sad.
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@PH
Bernie owns the so-called "progressive" and she simply cannot compete with him in this space.
A pivot to the middle is her best chance to hang in there by either winning enough delegates to secure the nomination or have a chance in a brokered convention, if it comes to that.
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@Sendero Caribe
I understand that she made a strategic move, but if such a "pivot" means changing one's values then she's lost me as a supporter. The whole idea of superdelegates is to thwart democracy with a small "d."
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Warren needs to realize that she’s the only one to stop Bernie from gaining the nomination. Last night, she was lauded for going after Bloomberg but never landed anything on Bernie.
She could be the only one to use the adage that for Democrats, a candidate goes to the left in the primaries and moves to the center in the general.
Her timing was good last night but she blew the opportunity to gain ground on Sanders.
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@JT FLORIDA
If she wants Sanders supporters to support her instead, she can't attack him. Thus - Bloomberg was the perfect target.
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When you say “is it too late”, you are influencing folks to not bother voting for her. The difference between the media coverage amongst the candidates is disturbing. Honesty I’d rather not have the moment-to-moment coverage of what the candidates are doing. Just outline their policies and I’ll vote on that.
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@Reneé Rodriguez
The debates simply distract from serious discussions of policies.
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I almost didn't change my party affiliation last week because I almost bought into the narrative that she's over after NH but I'm glad I can vote for her in the NY primary. Persist is a good word.
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She was brilliant. The question is, will Democrats recognize that brilliance and gravitate to her. I still think, "yes." Commentators all talk about the centrists splitting the "centrist" vote, but I don't think the Democratic electorate is really looking for "centrism"--just for "electability." Liz just needs to convince Democrats that a non-socialist who knows how to fight for traditional Democratic values can stand up to and beat Trump. Last night was a heck of a start.
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Warren was our top choice just a few months ago and I wondered why her standing dropped like a rock. No one can point out to anything she did and i think her slight change in Medicare for all or a little conflict with Bernie wasn't it.
Since her main objective to run is to mitigate the corrupt effects of money in politics. Her polls dropped because the GOP, corporate democrats and the media saw her as more of an existential threat to business as usual, which is election buying by billionaire donors.
Warren's destruction of Bloomberg, makes it obvious that she would do likewise to Trump who has a lot more vulnerabilities than Bloomberg. She hasn't changed her message or her style but now that Bernie is destroying the field, those who bashed her are now exalting because Bernie is more of threat to them than her. Bloomberg and Trump are the poster children of our rigged system all thought in a very different way.
Bernie will have a substantial lead in delegates before the convention. If not the winner, he will realize that without a Warren presidency, all his dreams of a better America will be lost. Democrats should realize that this election is only about Trump or no Trump and public policy is secondary. Democrats have a chance to not only defeat Trump but also to make the GOP a permanent minority. To do so, they must enlarge the the pool of voters by bring in the young and progressive who are mainly Bernie voters but can also live with Warren.
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@beachboy
"Bernie will have a substantial lead in delegates before the convention. If not the winner, he will realize that without a Warren presidency, all his dreams of a better America will be lost. "
Nonsense. Bernie didn't come all this way to step aside. Pure fantasy on your part.
@beachboy
She dropped like a rock for 2 reasons - she did not actually have a "plan for that" when it came to M4A and then she criticized Bernie.
That said, she is still a far better choice than Bernie Sanders or Mike Bloomberg and lovable Pete simply does not have enough experience.
So, if she is your favorite - why not go for it.
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If Warren is the nominee, I think we are in for four more years of corrupt Trump. She kept flipping from boring pedantic teacher mode to vitriolic and repetitious attacks that themselves were boring. She is not likable or ineffective. In fact, I think she made Bloomberg look presidential.
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@Mark in Louisiana Oops, typo. She is not likable or effective.
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It ain't over until it's over. Reports of EW's demise are greatly exaggerated. Keep on fighting EW!
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I sure hope it will--for three fundamental reasons. First, her continuing viability will siphon some delegates away from Bernie since they both appeal to the same leftwing lane. And I believe it is crucial to deny Bernie the nomination since he would lose to Trump and perhaps cause a down ticket debacle for the Democrats (Bernie is the American analog to Corbyn). Of course, this would be an existential crisis for our Republic and, indeed for the entire globe.
Second, as her virtuoso dismantling of Bloomberg demonstrates, debating against an egotistical, misogynist supercharges her very impressive killer instinct.
Finally it's becoming more likely that Bernie will come to the convention with the most delegates but short of a majority. The needle the party must thread is to give someone else the nomination without fatally angering his ardent supporters. Warren is the obvious compromise candidate that could accomplish this difficult feat.
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Attack dog does not equal dominant. We have one in the White House now.
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Although Warren is not as bad as Hillary was with identity/social engineering obsession, her one tough women comment, coupled with the Indian heritage flap is enough to put a lethal nail in her chances.
Ditto for Amy K who just said it's about time for a woman to be in the WH.
They did not learn the supreme lesson Obama taught candidates ie run as an American uniting people not as an angry young black man.
These women just can't seem to wean off the alcohol bottle. It's almost less sub conscious self destruction.
It will be lethal to them until one of them learn the lesson Obama taught candidates, run as an American uniting people not on identity dividing people.
We had an election with a right wing bigot Trump and a identity obsessed Neo con Hillary. Trump won by a tko.
Americans are sick of identity politics.
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When push comes to shove, does the media really still see women as nurses, not doctors, flight attendants not pilots? Elizabeth Warren is ready to fly the plane, that much is abundantly clear.
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I guess we voters in the remaining 47 states should just call it a night and not bother marking a ballot, since the NYT has already culled some of contestants from the race.
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She has my support. It was interesting watching people’s response to her standing firm on Bernie’s statement about a woman not being able to get elected. There were only 2 people present for the conversation, yet majority of people sided with Bernie. Just another everyday occurrence in America. Wish we were more modern a country like Germany. They embraced having a woman and she outsmarted everyone in the room. Egos survived. It is beyond time to stop the misogyny and elect a strong, intelligent,, thoughtful woman. Our country has a lot of catching up to do right now.
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I would really really like if journalists could show a little self-restraint and refrain from their endless (and misleading) focus on the so-called 'horse race'. The cardinal tenet of journalism is that you are supposed to report news not create it, but with endless headlines like this one ("Her strong performance helped her raise $2.8 million by night’s end. But the question was whether it was too late to help Ms. Warren’s campaign") you are CREATING outcomes. Cut it out! Two tiny white states have voted, and Iowa was a mess. Please let VOTERS decide.
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she's a petty technocrat. she fails with too much minutiae, putting most people to sleep.
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Warren came across as a rude crazy flailing screaming lunatic to me. How some people view this as a strong performance is beyond puzzling to me. Time to end the debates forever. They are worse than worthless.
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I think she is the only one who can beat Trump.
Her stance on female question, harassment, sexism is so enormous big that Trump would (finally) look as the one he is. An ugly woman user/ hater.
She gets my vote. She is my hope to get rid of Trump!
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She comes over better via a transcript than in person.
She is persistently obnoxious and preening.
She is a good senator.
She gets Bernie's goat.
Bernie should stay in the barnyard.
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She's so awful! Talk about unlikable, whining, shouting, and projects nothing other than being aggrieved. I've never seen Warren smile, make a joke, be a uniter, you know, the way a president acts. I can't stand her.
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So Sister Elisabeth knows how to scold and lecture folks she doesn't like, tempted to whack them on the knuckles with a ruler.
So that's a great qualification for president? NO.
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She's an empty suit who has flip-flopped on her positions. Given that BS Sanders occupies the left most extreme, she can't seem to figure out which slot on the progressive pole she needs to hold on to and hence her dithering. She was asked why she changed her position on Medicare for all - she never answered. Instead she came out swinging and going for Mayor Bloomberg. Honestly, Hizzoner is the most credible person with the record, wealth and capabilities to take on Trump and beat him. Unfortunately he was buried by Warren, BS, Biden. It is ironic that the most capable person also seemed to be a poor debater. Perhaps he may be better prepared for the next one.
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I had the honor of early voting for Elizabeth Warren about 8 hours before last night's debate began. I will never regret that vote no matter what happens for the rest of 2020. She is the best prepared candidate to be President. Period.
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@William Jefferson
I agree that she is certainly one of the best choices even if I prefer 2 other more moderate candidates, Klobuchar and Biden she is my 3rd choice. I really like Pete but he does not have enough experience.
So good for her - and you too for voting!
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Warren made a major mistake last night. She viewed her major competitor as Bloomberg but it is actually Sanders. Sanders has the lead with the most progressive Democrats which is also her base. She let Warren come out of that debate unscathed. Sanders will win Nevada and Warren's prospects will be on life support.
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@Mind boggling
It is true that he biggest opponent is Bernie. However, when she last went after him with the "woman can't be president comment" she sank immediately in the polls.
In order to gain his supporters and be an alternate she can't be seen criticizing him.
This is why even when Klobuchar disagrees with him she talks about all the bills they have worked on together in the Senate - it shows they are at least on the same team - even if their policies differ.
To court Bernie supporters you have to go after his "millionaires and billionaires" so Bloomberg was the perfect target. It shows she is on the side of the argument that his followers adhere to.
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Warren said she was “raised to fight.”
That struck me as strange, as I’m a woman just a bit older than her and “fighting” was never part of my upbringing. Unless you count that at times the nuns referred to us as Christian Soldiers - which never made sense to me either.
So Warren came out fighting. And explained it at the end of the debate. She’s said many times before that she was a fighter.
Anyway, I don’t need or want a fighter. What I want is someone to lower the volume, to project a desire to calm things down.
We’ve had all too much chaos and fighting since Trump appeared on the scene. And I - desperately - need peace and calm.
So I look to the candidates. And at this point Buttigieg seems more calm and peaceful that most others. (With the exception of Bloomberg last night, whose near non-participation was akin to calm, despite all the attacks he weathered.)
Perhaps running for office these days is more like going to war. And that reminds me of how over-militarized our society has become.
I’m getting too old...
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@TheraP: I feel exactly the same way.
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@TheraP
I think she is referring to being raised with several brothers
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@TheraP
Totally agree about Warren and her 'fighting spirit'. But don't be fooled by Pastor Pete. He's the Ninja type of fighter. Amy did not have her best night but I think if I read the transcript her replies would have come across as thoughtful and responsive. I'm still in Amy K's camp.
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A strong debate performance, particularly when applied using the attack dog mind set... does not move the bar much for a presidential primary candidate.
A weak debate performance also does not move the bar much either.
Point: debate performances in the formats debates are conducted by the media are ineffective. They can make for great entertainment for the evening... but are quickly forgotten as soon as the next reality show gets streamed by the average American short attention span voter who will likely just vote party line in November anyway.
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@Chuck One of the questions to come out of the debate is who will be playing Bloomberg when they turn this thing into the SNL skit it resembled.
Elizabeth Warren didn't need to act as if Bloomberg were a stand-in for Trump. Mr. Bloomberg _is_ Trump in way too many ways.
It still confounds me that so many here are advocating for a man who is trying to buy his way into the presidency so he can be the alternative Republican to Trump. This is a man who does not believe in a minimum wage or taxing the rich -- it's a disincentive, he has said. As for women and minorities .. well we already know what he thinks about them.
How much are voters willing to believe about a man who could not even tolerate the idea of standing up on a debate stage -- he looked contemptuous of the entire process -- much less interact with the American people?
Money may be able to buy you all the positive spin in the world on tv, but it cannot disguise the man behind the curtain. He can pull all the levers of power back there, but hopefully he cannot also pull all the levers in the voting booth. The American people deserve better.
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@avrds
Yes I am convinced in the meantime that only! a woman can beat Trump. Why? Because women know first hand how it feels to be treated the way Trump treads women, including his own wife.
A fighter. Yes exactly.
Warren proved yesterday in the harassment question that she does not go nice against a bully. That’s what we need!
Thank you Elizabeth!!
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@Eva Because a woman did so well, even with other women, in 2016.
About 75% of Nevada has voted at this point as compared to 2016. That means her performance will have little impact on Nevada. Once she loses Nevada, all momentum is gone. Headlines and coverage will have moved on. But kudos for taking down Bloomberg!
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I hope it is not too late. While the media’s focus is on her attack on Bloomberg and others, my focus is to see if any one say why they are running for President. The only candidate who said it is Elizabeth Warren. She clearly stated why she is running for President, to help the low income groups who declared bankruptcies and lost their homes due to lack of health insurance. To defeat Trump as everyone claimed, is in itself a necessary condition but not sufficient. You need to declare what is the real purpose and realistic expectations. Besides Warren and Sanders, everyone is simply creating smoke screen through which you really can’t see where the candidates stand.
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It's not too late for Warren's campaign to surge. Late momentum is the best kind of momentum. Warren is the best candidate to unite the progressive and centrist wings of the party. And she's the one with ideas. The best candidate, period.
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I thought Warren did a great job taking the lead in cutting Bloomberg down to size. This is what female politicians have to do, male politicians do it all the time, to get elected. Some get annoyed when women aren't "nice" but nice and a dollar will get you a coffee from the dollar menu at McDonalds.
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I'm probably a rarity as a fully committed Warren supporter who has Sanders at or near the bottom of my list. The reason why is pretty simple.
The country needs two things right now: moral clarity and governing acumen. She's the only one who has both. Warren and Sanders share a diagnosis of, and righteous outrage at, the power imbalances in our system. But while he has spent more than half a century railing at the unfairness of it all and daydreaming about a "revolution" in the hothouse of ultra-left political circles, she's experienced it from the inside AND developed a workable theory of how to fight back.
I worry about her electability owing to misogyny, the country's anti-intellectual bias, and the resistance of the cannibal capitalist class--who I think fears her far more than Sanders, because she understands the levers of power. But I do think she's more electable than he is, in terms of who would hold up after the barrage of attacks and who could activate the full center-left coalition. And I'm certain she would be far more effective in office with an agenda of radical reform to advance the common good.
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@Fred DiChavis
I agree with you.
What bothers me about all the push back on behalf of Bloomberg here is the undisguised contempt expressed, and approved by the moderators, against both of the women in the race. Words like "shrill" and "schoolmarm" and "emotional," or, about Amy Klobuchar, "near tears." [What I saw in Klobuchar was barely contained contempt and fury, not tears.]
If these were translated into racist terminology, I'm confident they would not be approved for posting. We have a long ways to go in this country, but I'm hopeful Warren can rise above it.
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@Fred DiChavis
I'm right there with you! Sanders is annoying and someone who cannot get anything done.
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@Fred DiChavis I’m going to guess you are a man, Fred. Where can I meet a 70ish version of you? Because you sound like my idea of a near-perfect one!
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Bernie is the favorite of many, and the sentimental favorite for some progressives who rightly credit Bernie for opening progressive conversations on health care. But Warren is more electable. She calls herself a capitalist rather than a hybrid socialist. She is willing to entertain the idea of a somewhat gradual segue from the present system to Medicare for All. She is a little younger, without the scary health history. She can be pretty much as feisty as Bernie, and she's a better debater. She has more command of facts and details that Bernie does. If only Bernie could bask in the great change he's brought not only to the Democratic Party but to America. Make the great sacrifice and step aside in favor of Liz. We might see Warren and Klobuchar or Warren and another up-and-comer. Anyone but Mayor Pete, who is way too smug and rehearsed and inauthentic. There are probably hundreds or more possible running mates that would mesh nicely with Warren. Toward the end of the debate last night Bernie looked very flushed; despite his statements I wonder if he is out of the danger zone.
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Warren did well and for those who seem to like the idea of the larger M4A argument (even though it can't pass the Senate) - she is clearly a far better alternative to Bernie and his rather angry rhetoric and inflexible stances.
The "post-it" note comment was a big error since it can easily be proved to be fase by simply going to Klobuchar's website and made Warren seem a bit loopy and dishonest - through still a lot more sane than Bernie - so she got nailed on the fact-check sites.
Bloomberg simply proved that he is not electable and when you combine his poor debate performance with his doctored "cricket" ad that is running today - he is starting to resemble Trump in his strategy - not good at all - Bernie's people do not seem to be immune to using doctored videos either.
These doctored videos will be used by Trump in the GE - that is a guarantee -
So gee - thanks a lot boys for giving Trump more negative and misleading fodder.
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Warren and Sanders need to hang tough. This is not only a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party, as some characterize it.
It is THE fight for the working class, white, black, Hispanic, women, men, workers of all colors, all genders, all ilks.
Their policies reflect the economic structural changes we need to allow all workers to regain their equilibrium after a long drought.
Unions, healthcare, power in the boardrooms so that corporations will answer to their workers and not their shareholders only. Dedication to climate change issues, which if unaddressed will leave us devastated and unable to get back on our feet.
Bernie provided us with the template for sweeping change starting in 2016. Warren was responsible for setting up Consumer Protection which caused us to be less vulnerable against the corporate giants.
They shout because they mean what they say and they are genuinely appalled at the state we are in.
Compare that with Buttigieg's smug exterior. Yes, he's soft spoken because he never faced hard times himself and is more than willing to adopt Hillary's incrementalism, what ever the heck that is.
Where exactly did he come from anyway? Nobody ever heard of him and suddenly he is on the stage with heavy hitters. I can just guess who put him there and who his donors might be.
Bloomberg is as big a megalomaniac as trump, not a bad guy, but certainly not a poster boy for empathy, either.
Warren and Sanders. Sanders and Warren 2020
For the People
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"Her strong performance helped her...but...was [it] too late to help Ms. Warren’s campaign"?
Too late? With a mere 97.9% of delegates yet to be allocated?
More likely, it was too early: to go so negative.
Where she (and Bernie Sanders) are late (but not necessarily too late, at this still early stage) are in more closely aligning their two campaigns.
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Warren came across as shrill last night. Sorry but between the wealth tax (which has dismally failed in most every country it's ever been tried) and her tirade against fracking (I hate it too but she and Bernie will not win in PA because of their stance on this) she's a non-starter. You can't beat Trump and lose PA. The numbers do not add up. She needs to bow out now and save face.
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As a woman, you should be assamed of yourself for calling a female candidate “shrill.”. This is a put down long used to shut up intelligent women...and you fell for it.
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Senator Warren knocked the ball out of the park and into the stratosphere last night. If anyone doubts her ability to shred Trump in a head-to-head debate, you should watch her verbally eviscerate Bloomberg. I don't think I can recall a politician so fearlessly confronting another candidate live on stage. Beyond her fearless confrontation of Bloomberg's less than stellar history, she commanded the policy details on a myriad of topics. Watching her take down "another arrogant billionaire" who feels entitled to run the country because he's another arrogant billionaire was priceless. Her observation after his lame response to sexual harassment/discrimination allegations was brilliant (and his overwrought eye-roll in response more than confirmed he's got deep challenges on gender related issues - Trump employees women too and has no problem proudly displaying his overt misogyny for all to see). And as far as can be said for a roster of white candidates, I thought she was by far the most authentic and informed about issues affecting people of color and making sure that they were elevated during the debate. In this voter's eye she gave a flawless performance and deserves to be a front runner right alongside Senator Sanders.
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As to "beating Trump", Elizabeth Warren's "Fair and Welcoming Immigration System" with it's open borders, no one detained, all given a court date, free lawyer and free healthcare , and her amnesty for all, now, tomorrow and forever, will be all that Republicans need to defeat her. Read the plan, it's 15,000 words, one of 70 at her website. All the "fighting" Democrats can do won't overcome swing state voter abhorrence of this Warren plan.
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Pundits and reality show fans have judged the debate and assumed their judgement reflects the state of the race -
Anyone wanna bet Bloomberg keeps rising and Warren, Klobuchar and Biden are out the day after Super Tuesday?
Zippy remarks at a debate - or woke points scored - doesn’t translate in anything substantive.
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How can Liz endorse Medicare For All in 2019, but reject it in 2020 and not be considered a serious flip-flopper? Will the real Liz stand up?
Was she wrong then and right now, or vice-versa?
At least, Bernie is consistent; however, he shot himself in the foot by labelling himself a socialist. He should have called himself a Social Democrat or an FDR Democrat, which I think he is anyway.
Nonetheless, the more I listen to these candidates, the less I like them; their faults loom larger and larger. And, of course, Trump is out of the question. I even thought of bringing back Obama or his wife, but, no, they've suffered enough.
Is there no Pericles out there to lead us? Someone even pundits like?
Bloomberg unwisely chose to debate; if he never debated, he'd have probably won: His ads are very persuasive. His foolish decision to debate has downgraded him overnight from New York Prime to chopped liver.
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Her voice might have been physically strained but she was never more clear and eloquent. Thank you, Elizabeth! #PresidentWarren
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Warren's aggressiveness was a turn off for many Democratic voters. It helped
Trump.
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So you don’t like aggressive women. Get over it!
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Warren is a Solid VP. She proved it last night. She's perfect, not too hot, not too cold, not too young, not too old.
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I feel like a yo-yo ... first with Bernie. Than with Warren. Than back to Bernie. Now I am ready to go back to Warren. I wish they would run together. I wish they would just start a new party. The Democratic label is so toxic to so many people. A real third party with some power might actually work this time.
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Warren is the best and the brightest instead of the usual suspects: the mediocre and pablum platitude brigade. I see her as the next FDR.
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Sen. Elizabeth Warren could have been the VP on the Sanders ticket. But that ship has sailed! Hopefully, she’ll rally “blue” voters.
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The headline says "dominant showing." Not from my perspective. She was waving her arm to interrupt somebody before the debate was one minute old. She focused on destructive comments re the others. She dropped from the middle to the bottom of my preference list.
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What difference does it make, Donald J. Trump will defeat her handily, just like he defeated Hillary Rodham Clinton. Thank you.
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If by a "dominant" showing the writer means angry, shrill and insulting, then, yes I agree.
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@Robert McConnell
Sexist comments are not going to fly here. These pejoratives get pulled out when a woman is speaking. Frankly, I found Bloomberg and Pete to be frantic, desperate and jarring. Just saying!
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Having eviscerated Bloomberg, I wonder if she'll finally turn her attention to Bernie. If she doesn't, she's toast.
I know all of the media is oohing and awing over Sen. Warren's performance last night, but she really turned me off. Angry, condescending, lecturing, putting on a performance of sorts...and her policies really scare me.
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Trump could not have orchestrated it better: a circular firing squad, with Warren spraying cop-killer bullets from an AK47. Not a happy sight. Bernie and Bloomberg will survive, Warren will come to regret the whole sorry spectacle.
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If strident, mean and violent means dominate ok. But After last night I thought she was so desperate that she was willing to burn the party to the ground to get the nomination. Lucky for the party she's a non-factor.
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I suppose that as long as the media and many others think of debates and presidential campaigns as contact sports Warren was a “winner.” Ugh.
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Only 3 adults on that debate stage last night: Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg.
Warren was rude and obnoxious...I can’t believe that she gained support based on constantly interrupting and yelling.
Klobuchar is condescending and mean...no composure whatsoever. I shared Mayor Pete’s look of shock at her obvious fury and unprofessional demeanor.
I like Bernie, but let’s face it...he is a bully, always angry, and will never win the states that actually elect the President. Too many Americans associate “socialism” with “communism’, unfortunate, but true.
Last night was a fantastic night for DJT.
Alas.
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"But the question was whether it was too late to help Ms. Warren’s campaign."
Seriously? First, it is not Ms. Warren; it is Senator Warren. Just using the wrong title is a way to try to minimize her. It is very telling how most journalists refer to Mr. Biden as Vice President Biden, his title of years ago, and dare to refer to Senator Warren, a CURRENT SENATOR, as Ms. Warren. This not only disrespects her but all women. Why do some people are mentally in the 19th century?
Second, how can anyone think that it is too late for anyone's campaign? There have been only two primaries in two small states. This is only beginning and Elizabeth Warren has a huge following and millions of contributors. This article is plain ridiculous.
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Great article. Also, the writers and editors who let through this doozy need to re-visit their thinking on how to phrase and order subordinate clauses: "Her team went out in search of solutions: “elm bark” lozenges, teas and, eventually, a throat spray from a supporter who was an opera singer that Ms. Warren used to make it through the night."
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I am continually confused about the role the NYTimes is trying to play in this primary. Your reality TV show ended in a half endorsement of Warren, but your reporting has been forecasting mostly doom for her since. There are 97% of the delegates to go. Is this really a “too little too late” moment? Or more importantly why do you want us to think it is too late for Warren’s campaign? I guess you could defend the article and say that you’re asking the question of whether her debate performance was enough to change what you call a lackluster performance in IA and NH. But you’re also committing to a narrative of her as stagnant that feels troubling. Why isn’t Sanders campaign considered stagnant? He’s not bringing in a groundswell of voter turnout so far, he’s not changing minds, and he’s not explaining his positions any better than ever. Why does Klobuchar get dedicated word counts towards creative portmanteaus for her “surge” after a good debate performance and Warren gets doubt and a tone of disappointment? Your reporting seems more interested in contextualizing than sharing information. That's really disappointing.
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I'll keep working for Warren; she's the only one who understands in depth the problem of our government dominated by the interests of corporations and the wealthy. And her plans go directly at where she sees the rot in our government. Sanders has her goals, but hasn't shown much interests beyond revolution in all his decades in politics. None of the other candidates have strong messages that convey who they are and, without strong messages, how can they even have any plans. So there's really no replacement for Warren.
As for the authors Goldmacher and Herndon, without having crystal balls, what exactly qualifies them as soothsayers?
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Honestly, to people not desperately rooting for her, i.e. Northeast liberal elitists, her "strong performance" came across as mean spirited and, most of the rest of the time, pandering.
How many union workers or Hispanics in Nevada did she pick up? Zero. How many African Americans in South Carolina? Zero.
These groups are the ones that matter to her campaign, not a women's studies professor at Brandeis who finds Bernie just a little too crunchy.
And among minorities and people trying to hang on in the working class, she'll always be the phony who faked an identity to worm her way into the club with the other swells.
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I too, have been concerned about Warren's ability to capture critical votes from independents, moderates and Trump dissidents.
However, I have started to rethink this as I believe it may be possible that the traits for which she is criticized, such as vulnerability, lack of charisma, and that schoolmarmish thing (are we really so brainwashed by TV that it is imperative our leaders look and sound like a leading man?) are actually attributes that might make her less threatening to many voters who are becoming increasingly intolerant of Trump.
It seems like a lot of people (yeah, men) were put off by the seemingly smug and possibly tainted ways of Hillary Clinton. But Warren, in addition to possessing a fierce sense of integrity and brilliant policy making skills, is as pure and unassuming as they come. And for women, the latter two qualities are traditionally admired and rewarded.
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@Lucy Daniels Warren's problem is trust. She as ben caught telling so many falsehoods that she is just not believable. She lost her job because she was pregnant. False. Her kids went to public schools. False. She's part Indian. False her then about face on Medicare for All. ...and there is more.
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@Lucy Daniels I like her too and think she did well last night. But she can be shrill sometimes, a bit over-animated, and looking more like she's going to a party at someone's house rather than running for president.
Like it or not, appearances Do matter, especially to the part of the population we're trying to win away from Trump. So if she can bone up on making her look and sound more presidential, I do believe she has a good chance. And as well, keeping things simpler and to the point; she can amply provide detail to those that seek it, but the most important thing to the average American voter is for them to get the points that will win her their support first.
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@Lucy Daniels - Yeah, men? Men weren't the only gender turned off by Hillary "the anointed one" Clinton.
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EW is, and always has been, a first-rate debater. But, for too long during the fall of 2019, she mismanaged her policy and communication related to health care. End of story. The trend has been clear for far too long.
Too bad, she was my top choice.
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@PlayOn The problem with these debates is hat they prove nothing. Being debater does not make a good President.
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@Joe Agree 100%. IMO, they are somewhat like "NASCAR".
I would be much more supportive of Warren if so much of her platform didn't hinge on a wealth tax. I think that's very risky. What if it doesn't pass? What if it is ruled unconstitutional? What if it's too difficult to enforce, as it was in the majority of countries that tried it only to scrap it later? Why would it work here when it failed in so many other places? The odds look stacked against it to me.
I wish there were more discussion in the debates about the viability of a wealth tax and what plan B looks like for Warren and Sanders if their wealth taxes don't work out as well as they project (or at all). It is Warren's biggest weakness in my eyes (and one Sanders sufferers from as well). When so many of her debate lines contain the phrase "two-cent wealth tax", I can't help but think, "sure, but what if you don't get that?".
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It’s a statement of principles rather than hard and fast policy, just like most things people promise in presidential elections.
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She just got two votes from us. We had to make up our minds and vote for the candidate we like the best, without waiting to see what everyone else is going to do, without trying to make vain predictions about how other states will vote, or who is "electable," or who can "beat Trump." We did our homework, and Warren came out on top. She is the best candidate out there and will be ready to go on day one. She will make a superior president, and may even join the pantheon of truly great presidents.
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Warren needed a debate that showed her upside could outweigh her tendency to prevaricate. I think she had that in last night's debate. That's how good her performance was. And i think she was wise to go easy on Bernie. If she's to have a chance, she needs to steer toward the center where voters are still more uncertain about who can beat Trump, and therefore easier to persuade. I'm still a strong Bernie supporter but last night, Warren had my admiration and respect. If she wins, I'll be just about as ecstatic as if Bernie takes it.
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I thought Warren’s debate performance was great but for it to really have an effect she needed Sanders to have a very bad night. That didn’t happen. Bernie gave his usual strong performance and easily fought off the attacks that came his way.
I think she may draw back some support she lost to Amy and Pete but that’s about it.
She did some damage to herself in the early debates and it’s hard to see how she gets it back.
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@Brooklyncowgirl Everyone’s a pundit these days. You have no idea what impact her debate performance had—and you won’t know until the votes come in. This is all getting ridiculous.
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@KLM
Ultimately, it is not so much about votes, but the reality of money and Warren's ability to raise it quickly since when Super Tuesday arrives and she can't raise enough money to continue, her debate performances won't matter.
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@KLM
That’s right.
Political prognostication is a game that can be played by
anyone. Sometimes we’re wrong, sometimes we’re right.
I’ll admit that I was wrong when I thought Bernie was likely done after his heart attack. I may be wrong about Warren too.
But then again I may be right. As you said only the real votes count.
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I think Warren's best hope is to stay in the top four going into the convention with no candidate having a majority. If no candidate has a majority on the first ballot the superdelegates vote on the ensuing ballots and they can tip the balance to almost any of the top tier candidates. There is no way anyone, especially the superdelegates will have their delegates vote for Sanders, an avowed democratic socialist. At that point, if Sanders has his delegates vote for Warren, the only other progressive candidate, they might get enough support from a minority of the superdelegates to have a progressive leading the ticket. However, I think it is more likely that Sanders and Warren will not agree to join forces or their coalition will gather no support from the superdelegates. Rather, the superdelegates will lead an effort for the party to coalesce around one of the leading centrist candidates and the Democrats will have a centrist presidential candidate somewhere to the left of Trump.
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@Keitr ...and the Democratic nominee will go down in flames once Sanders supporters realize that their candidate has been cheated out of the nomination by sordid backroom deals. When will you "centrists" ever learn?
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@Keitr If Sanders has the most delegates by the convention and the DNC decides to not grant him the winner, you will most likely see the end of the Democratic Party, at least the end of their chances of ever winning again.
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@Keitr if the DNC takes the nomination away from Bernie via super-delegates I hope everyone enjoys another 4 years of President Trump.
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It's likely too late for Warren. Sanders has the progressive vote locked up and the moderate vote will eventually coalesce around Buttigieg, Klobuchar or maybe even Bloomberg or Biden but those two seems less likely.
The point is though this will likely be a two person race after Super Tuesday and I don't see Warren being one of those two people.
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@Scott McElroy Im a liberal but I don’t like Sanders. He has no chance of getting 95% of what he’s proposing through Congress and they hold the purse strings. Someone needs to push him on that.
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@Scott McElroy I, like many of my friends and family, voted for Bernie in the 2016. The overwhelming majority of us are all in for Warren. Not only is she the finest candidate I've seen in my lifetime (I'm 61), but I'm also sick and tired of white men as the top of the ticket.
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@Cindy Mackie
Lets say he gets 50% of what he's proposing; that is still more and in a better direction than a centrist starting from Sanders 50% and negotiating down from there is it not?!
By the by, "WE" understand the row to hoe, that is why we stay activated and primary those that can't negotiate. That is why we get out the vote and ready the next midterm pols. It will/might take time to change the course of this ship, but we are sure going to try. Sticking with incremental, business as usual pols got us here in the first place.
You don't have to like him, you just need to vote and lend a shoulder to the wheel.
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What sets Elizabeth Warren apart from all the others, for me, is how she can be so fiercely rigorous and thoughtful in her approach to policy, while being an unyielding and passionate advocate for Middle- and Working-Class Americans. Last night, I think that was on full display and I really hope that others can see that too, because she’s the president that America needs and the president America deserves.
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@Josh B We have much different opinion. Her arrogance and hypocrisy are unlimited. One of the least effective members in the Senate. Even her Democratic colleagues dislike her. Missed more than 50 percent on Congressional roll calls this session. Where are her endorsements from fellow Senators?. Please nominate anyone else.
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@Josh B Thank you, Josh. Could not have said it better. Elizabeth Warren is the best candidate in my humble opinion. She has the intelligence, experience, can think on her feet, and the humanity we need in a President.
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@Josh B - Wish I could see what you see. I find her self-righteous, hectoring, breathlessly indignant delivery as another here said - insufferable. If she's the one, I'll vote for her, although it will feel like a suicide mission (same with the Bern - burned out on Bernie fatigue).
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The State of Washington offers early voting in the primaries - so luckily I’d already mailed in my ballot before the media decided to erase her. Warren was brilliant in the debate and I feel confident in my vote. She’s the president I want.
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Senator Warren, last night, looked exactly like what she is--a candidate with nothing left to lose. We shouldn't be hailing anyone as a winner by the amount of attacks they can hurl. Period.
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@Doug These weren't desperate attacks. Yes, she needed to win big and she did. Her punches all landed and she is in the center of the discussion today. I praise her on her ability to fight back with fact, rigor and intelligence.
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@Doug The attacks were warranted because the other candidates were either dodging the issue or being lazy with details. Sometimes, the fighter in us comes out when there's nothing left to lose. If she loses, at least she exposed deficiencies in their arguments - just what any concerned citizen would do. I see a sense of justice in her remarks and questions, and her plans are rooted in science and fact. She would be a fantastic President.
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@Doug I agree; her approach was "I may be going down, but I'm taking you all with me". Only two weeks ago she was calling for unity.
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I thought Elizabeth Warren did an amazing job at this debate. She has showed that she’s still willing to fight for the nomination and is not giving up. There’s still hope for her campaign. The only issue I see is how to differentiate her policies from Bernie. I feel that they are splitting the ultra-progressive vote.
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@Ross On thing that differentiates her from Sanders is that she acknowledges being a capitalist, whereas Bernie doesn't want this descriptive. She has progressive plans for everything but isn't about to burn down the house to drive out the rats and save the mice. I think she will scare the beejeebies out of Trump thanks to her command of facts. She won't let him get away with his lies and distortions as he's been allowed to do for three years.
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@Ross, does Bernie even has a policy or a plan? Bernie just has steam of the perennially angry uncle!
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@Ross
I think there's plenty that separates her from Sanders. One she seems capable of a tactful pivot and and has an oratory that relies upon more than 6 syllables. But for anyone who doesn't see those differences... her 1 extra x chromosome should tilt the odds in her favor.
April 30, 1789. Day George Washington was inaugurated. Women make majority of our populace and yet sadly we have seen many inaugurations since... yet not a single woman. 50 years would have been a statistical anomaly but 231 years is a shameful absurdity. I think it's high time we remedy that absurdity. This never quite gnawed at me as much in the past but I have a 2 year old niece now. I don't think I can look her in the eye and tell her she can be anything she wants to be. There's very obviously an ugly ceiling. It's not a glass ceiling. It has become very visible. I think it's time...
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She pulled a Chris Christy taking down Rubio and opening a lane for Trump.
She took out Bloomberg, who is not in Nevada or Carolina, and shares zero policy overlap. Bernie, who is her real rival walked through unscathed.
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