This comment section is like Senator Warrens campaign; past it's time to close and yet here it is still persisting.
Sorry Ms. Warren, it's not going to happen for you. Time to decide what your persisting is accomplishing.
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She gave it the all American try, bravo! As for the matter of "persisting"... I'm pretty tired of all the facetime candidates in this race who want to persist forever. This thing started with 26 people. It's going to end up with only one... that was never a secret. We are in the elimination process. After another loss or two, the word "quit" would apply.
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To describe Warren, who has spent four years swinging like a weathervane- first to the left to chase the perceived AOC/anti-Trump swing of the party, then desperately away from her own proposals toward the practical center - as "unbending to the realities of a competitive primary happening around her" is so wildly generous and blind. She's the least sound candidate in the field and her finishes so far better than she should have done and better than she will ever do again. South Carolina will finish her off
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I’ve admired Warren’s stance on many issues related to reining in the financial sector, bankruptcy and protecting consumers. I am completely miffed as to why she decided to attack Sanders who frankly, is the only candidate who aligns with her policy prescriptions. She backtracked on Med4All, used a phony accusation regarding Bernie’s statement on the chances of having a female president & today is adding to a nasty campaign tactic to scare union members in Nevada to be very wary of Medicare4All. As her campaign falters, she needs to decide if her corruption agenda is worth sacrificing for some personal quest that may not succeed. If Bernie becomes the nominee, these misguided strategies will backfire. He is her greatest chance for enacting some of her policies.
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She is not behind the union attacks of M4A in Nevada. She still supports Medicare for All. Don't spread lies.
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Warren is toast. Why write a puff piece?
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i think she is amazing. I am voting for her.
Do you think she will be a VP pick if she does not make it?
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You got a ceiling- it’s a basement view. Elizabeth Warren was a serious person one time, just not now
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Please stop trying to call the election before 48 states have had a chance to weigh in! The primaries have barely begun and already negative assessments are being made about some of the candidates. We have to do something about the unfairness of the primary elections--changing to a national day for primaries and a ranked choice system seems to be the answer. Elizabeth Warren remains the most outstanding candidate since Barack Obama, in my mind, and I can't wait to vote for her!
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Warren would be the best POTUS. She is the most prepared and would bring America back to real Americans. Her slogan should be "Make America Proud Again"!!
She has plans and ideas. Some ideas said on the stump might not be good but the bulk of her ideas are stellar and for the best of the bottom 90%.
Does America even deserve her yet?
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I do not understand how Warren's third place finish is a disaster and Klobuchar's third place finish makes her a winner.
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uh, Warren's political life is all in her lying pseudo-intellectual head. she never was a contender, and will no influence on American politics. her followers will just move on.
Seems like a crummy job.
Elizabeth Warren for Provost!!! Vote now.
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I was first attracted to a Warren candidacy years ago, when she spoke so intelligently about college debt, and doing practical things like reducing interest rates on the college debt burden of millions of Americans. That is a great issue for the Democrats, because it is about fairness, and not a free lunch like free tuition at 4 year institutions. Yet, she got side-tracked on Medicare for All and forcing millions of their healthcare. That is when she lost me.
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Elizabeth Warren may want to conduct a campaign based on ideas, but she plays a bad hand relying on the gender card.
It was a mistake for Warren to reveal her spat with Bernie regarding what he reputedly told her about a woman not being electable to the nation's highest office. He said, she said? Really? Then Hillary Clinton weighed in - another mistake. Then we keep hearing Warren say that America needs to, or that it's time to, elect a "woman President".
As a supporter of Hillary's before the 2016 primaries began, I can honestly state that it all grates on this man's ears. I want to vote for the best candidate and for anyone over Trump. But I do not want to be reminded, just because Hillary won by three million votes (or not), that it's a woman's turn - any woman's.
The beneficiary of all this so far seems to be Klobuchar, who has not appeared quite as militant or controversial about the issue. Will she, then, be "the woman" of choice for those who will to allow gender bias to influence or determine their vote?
Please, let's keep the Democratic primaries gender-free, gender-neutral. The real race begins when Trump knows who his opponent will be in the fall.
At that point, I advise everyone to "Fasten your seatbelts; it's going to be a bumpy ride!"
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Senator Warren said: my job is to "persist"! Persisting for what? By then, the primaries are over -- persisting or not.
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Politics is a game of perceptions and for quite some time Warren was doing well in that game, consistently bright (in Moore than one sense of that word), a Happy Warrior who had a plan for everything and persisted. Remarkable that her policy positions withstood a lot of frontal attacks, especially from the center right MSM. There’s never any one moment when a campaign falters in the way Warren’s has, but she didn’t help herself by going negative on Sanders on the woman question and then lining up with Klobuchar on the same. This not only blew her HW persona but put gender identification over political commitments and by virtue of that helped add legitimacy to Klobuchar’s candidacy. For now.
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After a year of plans full of punishments and resentments, Warren's recent claim to electability is her defeat if Scott Brown, a wholly unqualified Reb candidate in a deep blue state. On the next ballot she trailed our Republican governor by a wide margin. the point is there was no love for her in Massachusetts. Then she abandoned her 30 year history as a resident of Cambridge to re-position herself as a Okie. Simply inauthentic. Though very different, NH saw what we see: a climber who seems more interested in looking over your shoulder rather than being genuinely concerned about her constituents.
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The Centrist Club here at the Times has succeeded in making people afraid of easily the Dem’s best candidate.
The Times has allowed and contributed to the lie that Elizabeth Warren will “take away your healthcare” in 4 years.
The Times elevated Amy Klobuchar to Elizabeth Warren’s level out of this same fear, which backfired and just helped propel Bernie further at Warren’s expense.
The Times has run wild with the false notion of “electability” and attached the word to Elizabeth Warren as if that is any kind of valid critique. Nobody can claim to know who is “electable” against Trump in 2020, shame on you for equating “centrism” with “electability”. Every day.
Whenever I hear someone say that Elizabeth Warren is their favorite candidate but they “just don’t think she can win” I think...thanks NY Times. Thanks a lot.
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Really well said.
And I’m a Sanders volunteer!
But this article is incomplete without mentioning her thinly veiled cheap shots against Sanders - I believe that she’s making this shift to undo the damage she’s done to the party and her candidacy. I think unfortunately she’s hurt herself more than anyone else could - which really deflates her argument that other folks would burn down the party...
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@Noah G Well said! Thank you. Here’s a reminder to voters that when choosing a candidate, positions on issues are key: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/elizabeth-warren/
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Planning services for Warren’s candidacy is premature. And, these articles dismissing candidates at this point of the process are somewhat ridiculous. Two small states, not representative of the country as a whole, weighed in. In Iowa, fellow Midwesterner Klobuchar was a distant 5th. Warren, a New Englander, came in third and received 8 electoral votes. Was there a call for Klobuchar to drop out? No. Then, after many debates in which she did not have an electoral pulse, strategists and “so-called” media pundits declared Klobuchar won the N.H. debate and she then came in 3rd in the New Hampshire primary, after polling at 4% before the debate. If one debate performance can propel a candidate to viability, why should any candidate drop out if he or she has the resources to continue. The South Carolina debate may propel another in this electoral season where 25% make up their minds at the last minute. Warren is 3rd in delegates, ahead of Klobuchar, after two states. She should continue. Her plans are substantive and she has much to offer. Her resume is impressive. Biden also should continue to allow a more diverse electorate to weigh in. It’s foolish to allow two states with a 99% white population determine who the nominee of a party should be. Shouldn’t the citizens of the other states and territories have the same opportunity to weigh in? I certainly do not want either Iowa or New Hampshire selecting a candidate for me.
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Iowa and New Hampshire only matter because of the media narrative.
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At this point, she is the back up candidate should Sanders's health decline further.
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Elizabeth Warren is an exceptional individual with an amazing professional record. I am disappointed that many fellow NYTimes readers would quickly dispatch her with one dismissive sentence on the Indian test DNA or the lack of support for Bernie in 2016, or for her M4A plan. Or for switching democrat in 1995. Or for her high-pitched voice! Guys we are not electing a buddy for a beer! Look where that got us with W. Bush. We are electing someone who must show that he or she really cares and has common sense, dedication and sound decision making. There really is just one candidate out there like that and it’s EW.
What this really shows is that “double standards” is alive and well, most likely gender-based, because the men candidates are getting away with far more consequential and worse. She deserves our support and respect not this kindergarten bullying.
Meanwhile:
Bloomberg more or less gets away with being a racist mayor and a serial switcher.
Buttigieg gets away with his history of opportunistic flip-flopping on policy positions and his atrocious track record on race relationship in a small town.
Amy: let’s cut her some slack but the scrutiny is just starting now on her prosecutorial past.
Shall I continue?
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Warren's comment she did not want to “burn down the rest of the party” in order to triumph is the exact reason Warren would defeat Trump. She carries a big sword but never has any intentions of using it. One must be reasonable, and one must get on the band wagon now and support Bloomberg. Otherwise, it is 4 more years of a rotten, political D.C.
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Warren has uniquely poor political instincts (which, unlike Biden's, cannot be blamed on cognitive decline):
--Her DNA test fiasco showed she would accept Trump's framing and fight on his turf.
--Her initial embrace of M4A was a winner, but she backed off under pressure from the corporate interests that control the institutional Democratic party (and her big money donors).
--Finally, her desperate gambit of smearing Bernie as a crypto-sexist, rendered incredible by his entire political history, as well as his preference that she run in the progressive lane in 2016, marked a pivot away from her policy-wonk strength to the politics of identity and resentment that served Hillary Clinton so poorly.
I would ask principled Warren supporters to consider backing Sanders in the primary. If you truly care about the progressive ideas that Sen. Warren has heretofore championed, you have the opportunity to back a clear front-runner who has refused to compromise on those ideals.
And if insulting tweets turn you away from backing universal health care and a Green New Deal, then perhaps you were never committed to progressive ideals in the first place.
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@Jon
Let’s put it another, and far more respectful, way: EW is not a born politician. She is in fact pretty new to this game which she only entered in her early 60s. And only after republicans blocked her out as head of the Consumer Bureau.
But you see, I am ok with her rookie mistakes. I had enough with the professional snake charmers who are everywhere in politics and always find a way to disappoint. Buttigieg being the worst of all. I like Bernie too but Bernie’s camp needs to show respect.
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@R Thank you, well said!
I don't appreciate this article. Though I'm far from certain Warren will get my vote, this author does too much reading of the tea leaves.
I highly respect Warren's commitment not to trash other candidates. It's not clear to me that an instinct to attack competitors from your own party is an asset for being in the White House.
Her track record makes it clear she's quite effective taking on opposition in the cause of policy change. She deserves credit for withholding attack on other Democrats.
Give the candidate some space to maneuver without imposing your interpretation of outcomes so quickly!
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Not sure why the New York Times, which endorsed Warren, is running so many negative articles about her. Don’t you realize that people shape their opinion largely on the perception of how everyone else thinks and headlines (and article descriptions) that are unnecessarily negative do significant damage. Ok, maybe the article is more balanced, but most people won’t read that far. I wish NYT would examine their messaging and consider its impact, especially in this high stakes context.
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Yes, perist, because what we love more than anything is a cute slogan.
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I used to be a Warren supporter and even attended her rally in San Diego.
She lost my support when I started to read her policy proposals and began to get a feeling that big structural change could lead to economic chaos. I think imposing Medicare for All on the nation and taking employer based health care away from 160 million Americans was an election loser. What about the elimination of all those insurance industry jobs? No plan for that problem created.
I got tired of her bashing Amazon, who makes my life significantly easier on a weekly basis.
At this point, she (and Biden) should drop out quickly before we end up with the election loser Sanders. The progressive moderate vote needs to coalesce. Our percentage is much larger than Bernie’s 24 percent.
Drop out Elizabeth.
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For a candidate as strong as Warren, its hypocritical for us all to criticize the way Iowa and New Hampshire always come first, and the disorder in Iowa these last three cycles, yet keep using the results from just those two small, unrepresentative states to extrapolate a narrative of failure.
Surprise success like Buttigieg and Klobuchar on the top end and flatliners on the bottom are noteworthy and instructive, but it's way too early to write campaign obituaries.
Biden as well, although I'm increasingly concerned that Buttigieg, Biden and Klobuchar—all of whom I love—are cannibalizing each others' base and without the other two, any one of the three would've handily racked up two double-digit wins over Sanders and have the pundits calling them the presumptive nominees now.
Reality check. Warren, Biden and Klobuchar are virtually tied for third in delegates. Buttigieg was in first coming out of Iowa and remains first coming out of New Hampshire. Sanders is a close second.
Let these candidates play their hearts out through South Carolina and Nevada. Then we need to quickly take stock and humbly winnow down so on Super Tuesday we have our strongest slate free to vie for the delegates they need to win the nomination and go into the general election strong.
Then we need a good, hard look at getting a more representative state into the early primaries next cycle.
And we need these wonderful Senators to keep that body alive as we work to send them reinforcements in November!
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Warren is a second tier candidate. Her odds were always long to win the nomination.
She's been getting bad advice from her handlers/advisors. I lost interest in her two years ago. Before that she was a shoe in.
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She’ll fold up her tent and scurry back to DC hoping that Bernie picks her over AOC as his running mate!
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It’s happening again...
A well qualified, thoughtful, smart, progressive candidate in Warren, who is robust and has a plan, is doing poorly against a young, inexperienced mayor and an elderly, had a recent heart scare, Sanders who is a little reminiscent of Donald Trump and Boris Johnson in his buffoonery, responsibility toward his offspring and his hair.
Two words-gender discrimination.
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@Sarah
It's her supporters that turn me off.
They all seem so mean and stuck up. It's like the mean girls club. Always demeaning and sexist. They start the fights and then play the victims.
I like Warren. Her supporters...not so much. To bad they can't emulate Liz more.
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Surely Elizabeth Warren has a plan for how to beat the odds, just as she has a plan for everything else, and just as she had a plan for how to cheat her way into university and into a Harvard professorship. I am mortified by the fact that while she is a US Senator there are individuals out there who were denied admission to a university because she got a leg up by lying about her identity, and that there is someone as, or better qualified, who was denied a teaching position at Harvard because she was getting away with posing as an Indian.
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“Indian”? That’s Native American to you. Indians come from India; or do they come from Indiana? Can’t remember which.
She didn’t want to ‘burn the party down’, she just wanted to baselessly accuse a decades-long friend and ally of being a sexist. Right....
I entered this primary season a huge Warren fan...had been since well before she entered politics. I was dumbfounded when she didn’t run in 2015/6, and felt strongly that she would have been elected if she had run. I now find myself irrevocably disappointed in her. I’ll be glad to see her go, and would not look for her to try again.
I don’t blame this entirely on Warren herself...I think she surrounded herself with terrible (i.e. ex-Clinton) advisors who unwittingly led her to destruction. I still find it deeply disappointing. I though we had two great champions in the Senate. Turns out we only ever had one.
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She will win California. She is THE BEST candidate. Has everything to get US back on track.
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@The_Last_Lioness At best, Warren could split California with Bernie. That still leaves her well behind overall.
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Lilly,
I judge an person’s trustworthiness (in part) by how responsible they are toward their children. How one treats their children says a lot about character and Bernie didn’t pay child support for his child. He was not trustworthy or dependable towards those who are suppose to matter the most.
By contrast, Warren gave birth to, raised and financially supported her children.
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@Lilly Trustworthiness? Don't believe the lies. She genuinely believed she was part Native American. She probably is. I did 23andme and I had no idea I have Native American DNA. But the difference here is that DNA analysis relies on people putting samples into the mix. There are many, many Native American tribes who do not have representative samples in the 23andme mix, so, they are not able to compute matches accurately. I'm from there East coast and my ancestors came here in 1650. So, that's how the Native American blood got in there. She's from Oklahoma and there are just not enough Native American samples to get a match from. She is our best bet to become a great president in the same vein as FDR. Absolutely. We need her.
She still has my support. I'll make sure that's heard here in Ohio.
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“The fight between factions in our party has taken a sharp turn in recent weeks.”
- Warren
I was a strong supporter of Warren. My parents support her and another family member of mine is working for her campaign. I am also a woman of color in academia and sympathize greatly with the double standards women face in male-dominated fields. However, I became skeptical of her trustworthiness when she accused Sanders of making a sexist comment in private that could not be verified, but disengaged when the subject was brought up in a fair forum of a public debate and instead, set up a too perfectly-timed zinger. To me, she was weaponizing the “believe women” language of the #MeToo Movement for her benefit - a phrase that was originally intended to support powerless survivors, not to serve as cover for powerful presidential candidates.
This was precisely the moment she lost her position as my top candidate. More importantly, I believe this was the moment that sparked the “fight between factions” in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, and caused her previously-growing support to collapse beneath her.
For her to now place blame on others is disingenuous.
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How on earth could you not believe her that Bernie obviously said the comment? It may not have been a big deal like people made it out to be, but her campaign bringing it up made you think she’s not trustworthy? I don’t understand, of course a private conversation can’t be verified.
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@Noah G
Really?
So when you and a good friend have a private conversation, and "somehow" it gets told to 4 other people, who told other people, you'd still think you friend is trustworthy? Especially if you never said it to begin with?
When your good friend then uses said private conversation as a public gotcha, in one of the most important moments of your life...you'd still find this supposed friend trustworthy?
When your friend then begins to use said private conversation as a weapon against your good name by millions of her biased supporters...still feel she's trustworthy?
Lastly, your old friend uses something you might, supposedly, didn't say, to fundraise millions of dollars to compete against you...you're still trusting her/him?
Dang, your a better person than I. But then my trust meter is set pretty high as well.
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When Warren and others talk about unity, they mean uniting Democratic Party factions.
When Sanders talks about unity, he means uniting the American people around an agenda that works for them, not just the 1%.
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Well the media have counted Warren out, but I live in Illinois and our primary is not until March 17. No one has explained it except that Amy had one good debate moment. It's only two states!
Warren is still the person with courage, optimism, morals, compassion, intelligence, and has worked the hardest.
I see her as still the most courageous of them all, putting out multiple detailed plans to address our myriad critical issues, with innovative solutions, long before Buttigieg and Biden and Klobuchar.
Most politicians use platitudes but never really tell you their ideas, if they have any, because they don't want to defend them. Klobuchar is like that, bravely standing for the status quo. She will do if I have to accept her, but Warren is still getting my vote in the primary. (Of course, we must all vote for whoever wins the nomination.)
Warren's pitch has not changed. She is a uniter who could simply talk Trump to death! She knows her stuff and retains it. She can switch gears in a heartbeat. Read her interview with NYT board. She is brilliant.
She and Klobuchar jointly took the NYT endorsement.
I have increased my donations and you should too. Don't let the media take your choice away. Let's reward her courage. Her voice is the voice we need now.
This isn't about who is moderate or liberal, left or right.
This is about clearly seeing the heart of a deep systemic problem, and finding real solutions.
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Politics has little room for a rational, knowledgeable, thinking person who tries to find realistic solutions to serious problems. Trump is an abomination, but he’s proving every day that he’s closer to what people in this country want (and deserve) than someone like Warren is. I’m hoping someone will be able to beat him in November but I’m not holding my breath.
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It was her failure to heartily support traditional marriage, alongside equality- and the trans issue - whether girls sports or trans prison operations, it is all a bridge too far, for everyone over 50 who is not a millionaire with an IVF baby.
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If Bernie doesn't win, Warren was my 2nd choice. I'm not sure what she stands for now. Klobuchar will not get our votes ever again. We are 2 MN voters who will write someone in, if she is on the ticket. Worst votes we ever made were for her for Senator. Amy Klobuchar is not supported by many of us in MN, due to her strong support of pro-foreign mining companies and Big Ag. She is for killing endangered gray wolves, mining in ecologically sensitive areas, expansion of fracking, inaction to climate change, etc. I voted for her twice, not knowing what she was doing to the environment in MN. It is shameful. As a voter, I contacted her office over the last few years at least 25 times about her plans to delist our endangered gray wolves. I was not even able to speak with a staff member after all of these requests. She is extremely dismissive to her voters. One man told us that he tried to speak with her at the state fair and she refused, and turned away. Arrogant! Many others I know have had the same experiences. She ignores us and panders to the corporations. If you have heard about the plan to begin copper sulfide mining in the protected wilderness of the BWCA, this is something else she wants for our state. What the majority of the voters want in MN does not matter to Sen. Klobuchar.
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I too live in Minnesota. The only issue is defeating Trump
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@Sue M.
Plus, of course, she abuses her staff—verbally and even physically—in ways thst would get a male candidate run out of the campaign
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@Sue M. Wow. I didn't know any of this. Can you give some links or citations for what you've said? I'm not doubting the veracity, but I want to do the research because I've been kind of leaning her way and do not want to make a mistake, certainly not as big a mistake as it would be if her positions are as you describe. If she is as unpopular as you claim, how does that jibe with her oft-repeated claims of being elected and re-elected with strong support?
This article seems to conveniently forget that the Warren’s numbers flipped immediately after she started the “Bernie says a woman can’t win” rumor and declined to shake Sanders hand on camera. It was an aggressive and cynical tactic that backfired dramatically. Klobuchar has run a far more positive campaign and her current numbers support the merit of amicable tactics.
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Buttigieg and Klobuchar exhibit the maturity Sanders and Warren do not seem to have.
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An over-70, multimillionaire, dyed blonde, former conservative republican woman, in a pants suit, seeking the democrat presidential nomination. Now where have we seen this show before?
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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President Warren comes next, clearly; she has the unifying gift that our weary nation now needs.
If not now, soon, hopefully; in 2020, maybe 2024. With her many persuasive gifts and her shining ability to get things done, she will be President one day.
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If I could wave a magic wand over this election, I would wish that Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar would completely shake up the “politics as usual” by sitting down at a kitchen table to mediate (as only smart, determined women interested in the common good can) their differences and come up with a compromised platform that would work for both the progressive and moderate wings.
They could then release their compromised plan, along with a proposal for a joint candidacy (it’s up to them to decide who is POTUS and who is VP), including who would be their top cabinet choices (hopefully proposing their own “team of rivals”).
If this could all be done before Super Tuesday, that would be swell!
We keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result - why not try something different?
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@Catherine YES!!! YES!!! and YES!!! I have been saying all over the place that America has elected two men, President and VP, for hundreds of years and NEVER once questioned the logic and sensibility of that (well, until the two in 2016) but two women? Mon dieu!
Again: YES!!
Those two are qualified, experienced, smart - and they did it all on their own, not on the coat-tails and phony "charm" of their husband(s).
Well this article sure puts the shine on Warren. I like her but she did launch that bad-faith attack on Bernie. Seems like she saw the light only after it failed. But hey, you wanna talk bad faith I don’t think anyone understands what awaits the nominee (whoever it is) in the general election. So all’s fair in love and war but let’s not re-write history here.
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I love Kate McKinnon
I love Larry David
And would rather support either one over Warren or Sanders
Mike Bloomberg will make Trump cry!!!
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This is bigger than billionaires in an arena. This is about leading Americans out of this nightmare and destruction into uniting the world to address our common enemy, climate change. This is about recognizing all that has been stolen from working Americans to make billionaires in the first place.
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@Lilly
Now is not the time for "workers of the world unite" stuff.
Just because a person is successful don't mean they can't help the country. One of those billionaires gave money to help Democratic candidates win the mid-terms. One of those billionaires has a real charitable foundation. Please do not put Bloomberg and Trump in the same arena. One has a soul and heart. Putin junior must be defeated in November.
Having seen senator warren in a town hall in November, I came away thrilled by her candidacy and convinced that she would be the best president of all those running. She was quick witted, knew the issues, delighting the audience, which was a packed town hall, and very relatable.
Her problems began at the debate where she could not give a clear answer as to how she would pay for Medicare for all. Bernie has stated, just this past Sunday, that he really does not know how much it would all cost. But the press gives him a pass. He just talks and talks and talks and has not been fully vetted. Ditto for Pete, who speaks in platitudes and not specifics.
I am sick and tired of the National and local press failing to challenge the male candidates to the nonsense they spew. Also saw Pete in a town hall as well and he was underwhelming. And, he had the questions beforehand as well.
Warren is in trouble now. Perhaps she is just exhausted. Perhaps she peaked too early. But she remains the smartest and most competent candidate who understands the politics. And despite the lack of press coverage, she also has worked well with others in the senate.
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Don't give up on her. So she made one blunder. Nobody's perfect, yet women seem to be expected to be. She is still the best prepared, most knowledgable and smartest. I am in Illinois and she has my vote because she has the courage to drown Trump with statistics and facts.
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Just voted for her. This drama and speculation in the press needs to STOP. Let the primary play out. We have 5 great candidates who can beat this complete traitorous disgrace we currently have in the White House. But Elizabeth has proven she can get things done plus she has the energy, diplomacy and know how to make change happen. We have had 45 male presidents. Enough already.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Facebook and his owner, are actually undermining voters and do any cheap and dirty tricks to keep her from becoming the Dem candidate as it is way cheaper to take her off the ballot right now than later.
Warren chose to fight with Zuckerberg in the open and take on him and his empire after the election but never saw any of it coming at this stage as he is a despot and a cheat and may have preempted his moves against her.
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@Jey Es Wow, you raise a great point. It makes a lot of sense.
If she will take on Facebook and Trump, I can see a campaign poster or two of her garbed in armour with a flag raised high and a loyal army behind her.
She has a reformer's spirit and I can imagine her as the best of Teddy Roosevelt AND FDR - and are we ever in need of reform and wisdom and intelligence!
People should be reminded that she was reading Coretta Scott King's letter to the Senate when Mitch McConnell maneuvered to shut her up and THAT'S where the "and yet she persisted" phrase originated.
People should be reminded of how she had to fight so hard for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, including fighting Obama's opposition to her.
She seems to hold the idea of fairness dear to her heart and while I think she has made some campaign mistakes (e.g. erasing ALL student debt - not a fair idea), if she can regain her own footing and stop listening to any Clinton or Clinton-esque advice, she would be a great President. If she is trying to emulate Clinton? No way.
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Iowa is just one small state, and not even an important one. It's not a swing state, so it doesn't matter in the general election. And it's certainly not representative of the Democratic Party as a whole.
To say that Warren is anything other than very much in the running is proposterous.
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I hope that Warren gets the nomination. I know that, of all the candidates, she would be the best president.
No matter what I hope she stays in the race until the convention. Seems like the longer she's in the more power she will have at the convention.
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@Lilly I have been agreeing with much of what you say, but do you not agree that you are ignoring the significance of her hard-fought for creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Do you recall that she was the first (probably after Tom Steyer, bless his Impeach Now work) to advocate for impeaching trump? Warren is not a "johnny come lately" as some of your criticisms imply. I was also very disappointed and shocked when she backed Clinton in 2016 and turned her back (so to speak) on Bernie then when she had much more in common with him in that campaign. I think she sold out for some Clinton promise, and I was very, very bothered by it. I also really disliked what seemed to be an underhanded hit on Bernie with that claim she made, but I suspect that came from Clinton advisors as Clinton is really, really, really trying to destroy Bernie. If she can fell Bernie and Warren and the rest don't "emerge" then she gets a brokered convention, with Bloomberg running a "successful" campaign of expensive advertisements and slick self-promotions, unchallenged and unquestioned, then she and Bloomberg can come walking down the aisle at the convention, President and VP and they take office without either one of them actually having to RUN! The idea makes me sick but I can actually envision that as their strategy and that is one more reason why I want Warren and Bernie to do WELL and Beat Trump and beat the Clinton-run DNC!
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Whether she is leading or lagging, I have yet to see a SINGLE article in the NYT (or WaPo) that looks at Warren in anything but a negative light. Not one article exploring who her supporters are and why we support her.
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Warren’s mistakes:
1. Responding in a sincere way to Questions about how she’d pay for M4A. No one expected the guys to explain how they’d pay for their plans, including smart aleck Pete! No one demanded details from Bernie, Joe, or Pete. She naively responded and was killed for it by media and other candidates.
2. Responding in sincere way to question about her heritage. Should have ignored Trump or told him to shove it.
3. Not demanding equal treatment of her male rivals.
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@Louise
4. Lied about her Indian heritage for decades, solely to advance her career.
5. Talks about free college yet got paid $400,000 to teach on course at Harvard. Sure, she's an expert at driving down college costs.
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@AZPurdue This "lie about Indian heritage" bit is a LIE that needs to be confronted and stopped.
First, she has always said that it was her family "lore" that they had American Indian/native American heritage. MANY Americans have been told that, whether true or out of some romantic notions or out of inherited guilt, who knows. But many American families pass that kind of "lore" on in the family and why should someone doubt what they are told about their family's heritage?
Second, the trump family actually have lied about their family background. The slum-lord father lied about their (actual) German background in order to mislead Jewish tenants during the war and post-war years. trump has said they are from somewhere in Scandinavia. trump's mother was from Scotland. Funny how trump uses his hateful language against Warren when it was HE, per a biography about him, who actually tried to cheat native Americans, sued about their casinos, and did all he could to thwart their gambling operations (meanwhile he was bankrupting the ones he owned).
This whole "Pocahontas" bit that trump spreads is hate-filled for women, for Indians, and for - as always with him - the truth.
You want to even use the word "college" in your phony propaganda lines about Warren? Try the words "Trump University" on for lies, lies, lies, cheating, fraud, theft.
Let's poll Warren's students and then trump's "students" shall we, about who is a legitimate and decent human!
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Why don't you newspeople shut up with all the analysis (much of which seems to be done to show the prowess of the analyst and his ability to influence events) and just report on how things play out?
It was people like your bunch that gave us Clinton.
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Warren exercised very poor judgment when she submitted a question during the impeachment trial that was designed to embarrass the Chief Justice and call his integrity and that of the Supreme Court into question. Not smart. Warren’s grandstanding may have been the final straw that pushed Murkowski to stay in line with the rest of the Repubs.
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New York Times, stop trying to shape the election - you did that by giving Trump credibility, and now you are making Warren look the loser.
Just as foreign actors through Facebook can be meddling in our election, the media is doing it right under our noses. Please, just the facts, and let us decide. You don't get to decide for us by spinning the stories.
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If the Democrats don’t stop battling each other and start coalition building, or even drawing straws to see who drops out, they will certainly lose the 2020 election. If Trump is re-elected the world will suffer a tragic blow to the possibility of a future without utter climate chaos. Senator Warren is not the only one who needs to reminder herself of this appalling consequence, of course. Lock all of them up in a room until they come to their senses.
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"She spoke relatively little at a turning-point debate on Friday after she had dominated airtime at such gatherings last year."
ummmmm that's because the moderators focused on the men in the race. Warren got 20% less airtime during the debate than even Tom Steyer, who has NO delegates whatsoever.
And the media has ignored her since Iowa - often even listing the top 2 and the fourth place finisher in Iowa and omitting any mention she placed third.
C'mon, corporate media - I get that you're not anxious to pay more taxes, but GIVE EVERYONE A FAIR SHOT. Stop ignoring the only other candidate who's not accepting BIG MONEY.
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For god’s sake, it’s ONE state!! And a small one at that! “She Lost” in the headline (via mobile, anyway) is a bit much.
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@JS
Warren's performance in New Hampshire was a disaster. She's from a neighboring state and could only muster single digit performance. Time to call it quits.
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@AZPurdue Equating N.H. and MA voters is a mistake.
If friends with more astute antennae for this sort of thing hadn't already convinced me, a quick scan of the frequency with which the Warren detractors in this thread bounce back to the descriptor "shrill" would convince me for good of what a dog whistle of misogyny that word reliably is when applied to female candidates.
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She ends her campaign?
Hopefully.
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American election is so mean.
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Her entire life has been one lie after another. Of course there were the lies about being Native American. Followed by her lies about losing her special ed teaching job because she was pregnant. She didn't think twice about allowing Harvard to brag about having a Native American on the staff. Of course she is from Oklahoma yet ran for the Senate from Mass, Mow she's trying to play up the feminism bit to run for POTUS. The sonner we're rid of her candidacy, the better off the Dems will be.
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Given the number of people still running I don't see how the results in two small states demonstrate a catastrophic failure for Warren. Instead of talking to people in New Hampshire maybe it would be more interesting to talk to people in the upcoming states if you want to reveal something about Warren's potential to succeed. I think she's brilliant and look forward to supporting her in my state's primary.
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Interesting how this article doesn’t note the fact that her support tanked as soon as she backed away from Medicare for All with her two part transition plan, as well as the fact that she stuck a knife in Sanders’ back with the “he’s a sexist” accusation. That was the beginning of the end.
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A white woman pretending to be Native American to game the system will never make a good leader.
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Elizabeth Warren is a great candidate. We are so lucky she is willing to fight for us. But the reality is Bernie Sanders would have won in 2016 (by a landslide) and he's still the best shot we have for 2020. Systemic misogyny, externalized and internalized, is still a decider in this popularity contest.
But I have proposal for the DNC:
Go ahead and feel the Bern. If elected, the pressure of the Executive role will provide the reality check he needs to moderate in the short term but still lay the foundation for meeting more progressive long term goals. Level heads, etc. And along the way to November Bernie and his staff should propose a presumptive cabinet, inviting the other Democratic candidates to keep campaigning as a team with targeted messaging. Why is this crazy?
As the threat of autocracy becomes more and more real, the Democrats cannot continue with business as usual. Perhaps there is an alternative. Perhaps with consistent messaging provided by trusted allies on the national stage the swing state voters might better understand the broader implications of Trumpism, and how to evaluate what is really at stake if they choose to reelect him. We cannot abide four more years.
And when the truth is in question, Trump has no defense. His actions and those of his Cabinet members are indefensible. As such, with an organized messaging effort that is forthright, thoroughgoing, and spin-free, the Dems can dismantle the Trump presidency piece by piece. Dare I to dream?
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She's a senator. Go back to the Senate and work hard for the people of Massachusetts who elected her. Make up for all the time lost while out campaigning for the Democratic nomination.
When she feels rested, endorse a candidate and do what she can to help her/him. No hard feelings. Invite the others who dropped out to spend a weekend in Cambridge. Eat, drink, and be merry.
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@ Pecan is so sweet to demean a female candidate so well. The Senator has posted about her progress in putting forward bills to the senate, fighting for her (and our) progress. Ask Republican senators to drink and be merry. Join the President for weekends in Florida we pay for.
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This is an amazingly competent woman who should not fall by the wayside. Yet, it is happening. It sounds like she is resigned to not being on top. A point made elsewhere makes sense to me. The candidates doing best in NH also did best in the last debate. Impressiion therefore is that voters made up their minds at the end and were influenced strongly by debate performance. Warren was not at her best in that debate.
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“ When she did speak — be it onstage, to voters or to reporters — she mostly stuck to her familiar and comfortable script of “big, structural change” that powered her rise but has not prevented her subsequent fall. Some people around Ms. Warren were talking about being at peace with how the campaign had been run.”
I support E. Warren. I am not at peace.
For starters, most of what people “love” about Bernie is the stuff he lifted from her. Bernie Bro’s stridency isn't what put him on the electoral map. It was giving regular people a fair deal, like the consumer protection bureau sought to provide. It wasn't an Intervention of bernie’s, no. It was E. Warren‘S idea. She was denied the right to lead the agency she made up so she ran for senate against a pickup truck driving pinup boy. She won handily.
She doesn’t take donations from the donors with deepest pockets, only those from small donors like me. Unfortunately small donors make the DNC radar twitch. My phone is buzzing constantly from a couple of small donations. I feel like I fed a stray cat.
I had a text from Mark Kelly’s campaign today. They bragged that he had pulled into the lead (yay) and then went into the donation begging mode: our candidate can’t overcome the barrage of conservative donations coming his way. They spun it as needing to climb out of a polling slump that required donations to overcome. Makes no sense: our candid has taken the lead; pay us to climb out of our impossible polling slump.
Aargh!
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Kamala Harris should have stayed in the race. Warren and Biden aren't cutting it.
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Oh please! Stop given the two itty-bitty states credit for more influence than they deserve.
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Warren is incredibly smart and has a great platform.
Unfortunately, her campaign strategy was terrible.
She lost points on:
The fake Native American, affirmative action debacle
Pandering to fringe identity politics positions highlighted by doubling down on giving a transgender child decisions in her administration
Waffling on M4A, alienating both the left and the right halves of the party
Attacking Bernie. Whatever happened was clearly orchestrated with CNN and the optics of working with CNN is tantamount to treason on the left
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This article reads like an obituary. Don't count Warren out yet, please! She has run an amazing race, so far. After only one primary and one caucus, neither of which are in states that represent the population of the country, there is plenty of time for her to catch her second wind and surge up to the top again. All of this hyper-head scratching by would-be political experts is not helpful.
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Warren should have run in 2016 when throngs were asking her to run.
Hillary shut that one down and Warren did not challenge her.
Bernie did and everyone laughed. But Bernie elevated everyone he spoke to. He said, join me and let's transform this together. I cannot do it alone. It showed voters who truly has the guts to stand up to the establishment and tell the truth.
Warren is wonderful too but her calculated ridiculous attack on Bernie left most people shaking their heads. Who advised her that attacking Bernie as not being a feminist is a winning strategy. Really? The man who who has been unapologetically fighting for women's rights and financial equality decades before Warren switched over from being a republican. It flopped badly like her reveal of the Native American DNA test.
Also, I remember the recent NYT article discussing how she met with Hilary to get her advice and blessings. Lizzy, you're smart, and you do not need camp Hillary's lessons on how to she managed to loose the presidency to the worst opponent in recent memory.
Despite Warren's lack of authenticity, I think Bernie and her would make a great force for good together!
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@DC I love your post, DC, and hope Warren sees it.
Your question, "Who advised her that attacking Bernie as not being a feminist is a winning strategy. " leads me to answer with my suspicion that it was advice from Hillary Clinton's cult and I suspect that Hillary would be glad to get Warren "shut down" again, as in 2016, while doing a two-fer as the Hillarys attack Bernie and they get both Warren and Bernie shut out. When nobody else "emerges" and while Bloomberg is running a virtual campaign with ads, billboards, and tons of money, Hillary and Bloomberg connive to emerge from a brokered convention they have strategized to achieve as President and VP. Thus Hillary becomes President, after losing TWICE (too bad she can't blame Bernie for loss #1 as she is for loss #2) and Bloomberg becomes VP (with Bill soon displacing Mike as the 'real' VP - back in the White House!), both of them in office without actually running. Yes, Hillary's cult members actually do still spout " that she is the most qualified person EVER to run for the Presidency." Good grief. Warren and Klobuchar and Harris have ALL achieved great things on their own, not on their husband's coat-tails! And yes, she and Bill clearly believe themselves to be very, very special and entitled. No more Clintons in office. Nobody elected who didn't actually run and face the music. No more buying the office. And END corruption with reform, decency, morality and PROGRESS!
Warren and Bernie - yes, great idea!
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I've been a Warren supporter from the very beginning and to me it's painfully evident that gender biases still drag women candidates down and render them invisible no matter who they are and what they do.
Elizabeth started her campaign off with smart, thoughtful plans for how she would root out corruption in all areas of the government and private sector, and then has continued to release plans that shows she's really listening and cares about the issues that are affecting everyday people. And she's done it all while holding her own campaign to high standards with fundraising that excludes PACs and wealthy influence to grassroots canvassing that seeks to share her ideas and listen to voter concerns without tearing down the other candidates...and yet..it's still not good enough.
I realize there are many in the media and establishment who are eager to drown out her candidacy, but even amongst endorsers and supporters, she treads an almost impossibly thin line. When she called out Buttigieg for his wine cave fundraisers or raised the gender issue with Sanders, she was criticized for being belligerent and divisive. But when she focuses on listening to voters, sharing policy ideas or a vision of a Warren presidency, it's crickets.
As voters we need to take honest inventory. Do we want sizzle or do we want steak?
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The beginning of the end was when she jumped on the Medicare for all bandwagon but made everyone wait a week to hear how she would pay for it. The end of the end was promising to let some unnamed transgender student exercise veto power over her choice for Secretary of Education. A picture emerged of a fundamentally unserious candidate, chasing the whims of the left-fringe of the party with free everything times two, and comically kow-towing to every demand of identity group politics. She might be a good lawyer, but she is cringe-fully unfit to be president.
If her campaign staff pushed her in that direction, or failed to counsel her, it's partly on them. But maybe it's her fundamental character. Either way, she ought to head back to the lecture circuit.
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@Sourpuss, "made everyone wait a week"? She's the only candidate that bothered to work out a way it could be paid for at all.
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@Sourpuss Warren was for medicare-for-all for months before she became a front runner and only then did it became a liability. It was the only thing anyone talked about for the first five debates. She still supports MFA -- she just also supports taking immediate action without Congress.
Also, unlike Sanders, Warren worked for months to determine how she would pay for MFA and ultimately figured out a way that did not raise taxes on the middle class. If that is a liability, it's only because the ADHD news cycle ignores Warren's key strength -- the ability to analyze information and adapt to impediments, of which there will be many for any President.
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@Olga The way Warren went about it, or at least the way it was conveyed in the corporate media, conveyed a lack of gravitas. It seemed like she latched onto MFA as an impulsive move to compete with Sanders on freebies, and only later started to think about how to pay for it.
Sanders gets a pass because he is old uncle Bernie the geriatric socialist, who conjures up gauzy memories of Warren Beatty in "Reds." No one expects him to know how to pay for anything, or get anything past a Republican Senate. But Warren, who positions herself as the razor-sharp policy wonk, with 20-page policy papers on more topics than you knew existed, can't get away with such a huge thing and no plan behind it. It makes the whole policy wonk facade seem fake, and exposes her as someone who under pressure will just promise the kids whatever they want, like she was running for student body president rather than president. Politics isn't fair; too bad. But a candidate without some minimal intelligence about how to navigate the landscape will lose. It has nothing to do with attacking too much or too little.
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With all respects to Leo Durocher, I don’t think this is some nice guys finish last thing. Warren was doing good in polls because people had heard of her, same as Biden. Once people start paying attention they discovered that they like some of the candidates they hadn’t heard of more. It’s kind of typical, the voters don’t really tend to get serious until it’s time to vote.
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Warren: “The CFPB has protected over __ million Americans from a financial system that’s rigged, saving over $ __ billion! We need a fair system. I built that. That what I stand for. A fair and just America. We have to fight for that because the big money wants that sort of uncompetitive system. We can all be better than that. That’s why you should vote Warren. I can get it done. We can get it done.”
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She’s not giving up after two states have held their primaries. She may not end up the candidate but she’s a long way from out of steam in the race.
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The media completely erased Senator Warren post Iowa. She finished third, but the post Iowa punditry involved the three B white male candidates names in every discussion on cable news and in the major papers. Silence is hard to hear, but in this case it is deafening.
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It’s reassuring to hear Warren speak these words of party unity. The Bernie Bro’s I’ve been speaking to recently are all lock step in their determination to “Burn the House Down” if their Dear Leader doesn’t get the nomination. They’re fanatically committed to making sure that everyone indeed “Feels The Burn” if they don’t get their way. They did it once and they’re avowed to do it again. Sadistically smiling at the prospect too. Like Trump Supporters they share a chromosome for a need to be led, to follow, and to worship.
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Sadly, it did not work for her, or Biden.
Time for both to call it quits and rally around whomever comes out on top.
Our world cannot endure four more years of America's insanity under Trump.
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And because of Klobuchar she can't blame it on sexism...
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Warren is losing, or lost, because she attacked Sanders with am accusation of sexism. Her ratings fell immediately, because it was a lie. At the time I was donating to both of them.
Bernie Sanders ideas are right on point. He is the inspired leader. Mike Bloomberg says so.
If you want to see inspired and honest women who won and can win, watch Democratic Representatives AOC, Ayanna Presley, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar: on Democracy Now's Monday show.
Bloomberg and the billionaires are all insider traders. Insider trading used to be illegal for a good reason. If Mike Bloomberg is sincere about defeating Trump, and supporting the best most inspired candidate to be nominated for president, Senator Bernie Sanders, he should help out if needed. We need all hands on deck to defeat and remove Trump from office; to reverse climate change; and to powerfully support our democracy, our planet, and our society.
Matt Stoller is my new hero. I heard him on npr in the middle of the night, while driving across Kansas. You can hear him on youtube, Matt Stoller@Harvard Law. Or read his wonderful book Golliath.
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I've never been this torn between two candidates. I've followed Sanders and Warren both closely, attended their town halls, and considered their pros and cons until it made my head spin. Both speak directly to my values and the issues I prioritize. In person, I found both empathetic, inspiring, on point, and magnetic. I mulled it over and over until I found myself inside a voting both, seriously considering flipping a coin.
In the end I made my choice for Sanders, and regretted not voting for Warren immediately. But I know if I'd chosen Warren, I would've regretted not voting for Sanders. I still don't know if I made the right choice, but this "Bernie Bro" hopes that Warren does surge again. I'm going to donate to her campaign, and might even volunteer to phone or write letters on her behalf. Because based on merit, Warren absolutely should be contesting the #1 spot. And if she surges again and Bernie is the person she takes the top spot from, half of me will celebrate.
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@Chris Consider the possibility that another poster here suggested: a ticket of Warren and Sanders (THEY decide "the billing.") It eases a lot of the angst, doesn't it.
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Elizabeth Warren has consistently been the candidate most feared by Wall Street and the republicans. I refuse to give up on her just because of she came in fourth in the state right next to Bernie Sanders country. And I'm tired of hearing about how her Medicare for all plan was her downfall and I believe Bernie also supports some kind of Medicare for all and currently appears in the lead. If Warren is losing steam, I think it's because of a systematic string of bad press generated by the very people who fear her the most. If they could somehow turn that republic fear of Warren into a catchy slogan, she just might win.
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Warren seemed to peak when she was coming out with new policies seemingly every day. But since then she has steadily lost ground. Her main problem is she is a progressive and Bernie Sanders is widely seen as the real deal progressive not Warren who was once a Republican. She is not going to get much support from the center-left wing of the party because she is firmly in the progressive wing. I think it is over for Warren as far as this race goes. A big question is can Sanders do well in diverse state. There is no reason to think so. Another big question is can Biden's candidacy get back on track in a diverse state. South Carolina should be a big test for him. It is looking more and more that Michael Bloomberg could actually win by default meaning there are no really good candidates and he could turn out to be the best choice in the field for defeating Trump.
@Bob The bit about Warren having once been a Republican is so thoroughly irrelevant. Bloomberg has been a Republican, a Democrat and an Independent (?)
Hillary Clinton was a young-adult Republican worker.
(Hillary and Bill remained Republicans but called it "new-Democrats" in their follow the money form of politics, a la trump). How any politicians have changed parties just to remain in office when their districts changed preferences?
People change. Their knowledge base and fund of information changes. Their hearts change. It's OK. It's not OK to change parties for opportunistic or craven reasons, but for principle? for values? That's pretty terrific actually - and this is America; we can change!
Bloomberg does not deserve to "be taken seriously" at all until and unless he actually runs, not his billionaire ads and billboards, but he himself out there among the hoi-poloi, in the mix, answering the questions, shaking hands, confronting the rabble. He's not a candidate; he's an electronic set of images (and I actually LIKE his ads) and THAT, along with trying to BUY the nomination, is wrong and unfair.
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Like Kamala, her pandering to the left did her in.
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If she does not win she will be an awesome member of the Sanders administration. Maybe she will run again later on.
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Elizabeth Warren is an intelligent, articulate woman. I feel great sadness that she could not come out ahead in Iowa and New Hampshire but none the less, whoever wins the democratic nomination, everyone must support the nominee regardless of the divisions between them. Events of this past week make this imperative.... We are on the precipice between democracy and dictatorship.
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Elizabeth Warren helps us remember what class is all about - and she has it in spades.
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Trump has ruined Mr Bidens chance to become President like he ruined Hilary Clintons. Now it looks like Sanders is going to be the nominee. He won’t stand a chance in a debate with Trump. He already had a health scare on the campaign trail. I plan on voting for Mr Biden or Mr Bloomburg. Mr Sanders wants to give to much free education and health care to the young . They will have everything handed to them and that is not the right way to go.
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@D.j.j.k.
Biden ruin his chances. His family took $3.1 million from Burisma.
Hillary ruined her chances. She did the Goldman Sachs speeches, she put private email server in her basement (she should be in jail) she was too stuck up to campaign in Mich, Penn, and Wisc. etc... etc...
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@Reader In Wash, DC
Why did she get the 3 million more votes . We all did not hear that or did not believe it. Now we have Trump for another 4 years and we will be wearing pollution masks from coal and from you supporting him. No shame from his supporters.
There is no mystery about Warren's failure to win the nomination and it's a sure bet she won't: 1. Few people have forgotten her duplicity in pretending to have Native American heritage when she didn't to get academic advantage. 2. She signed on to " Medicare for all" with three words " I'm with Bernie", not having thought through throwing 180 million people off their private insurance that they receive or have. Then she backed off it and lost credibility. 3. She seemed petulant when she refused to shake Bernie's hand after a debate. 4. Then it was discovered that she was a Republican until age 47!!! and defended large corporation for a million dollars. Now she despises them. She hasn't evolved; she is insincere and people have caught on. She can help the Progressive cause big time: by withdrawing now. Eventually she'll have to anyway. Do it for the party and salvage something.
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Warren has made mistakes, but leaving the Republican Party 23 years ago isn't one of them. I agree that raising her hand for the gotcha question was an error. But you seem determined to find fault in her. I can assure you that oppo research will find stuff of similar magnitude in everyone of the candidates, as they have lived in Earth for more than two minutes.
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@Eben Good points but what I am saying is Warren's mistakes have cost her the nomination. Sure others have made mistakes but they are still viable candidates. She is not. She's entitled to switch parties but not entitled to be an enemy of big corporations when she defended them for a million dollars. She's not entitled to try to pass herself off as a native American. And that image of her refusing to shake Bernie's hand sticks in my craw.
Elizabeth; you might win, you might lose, but you can help all of us win if you remain and tell it like it is. You know "The Wall" street. They are rigging the election again. The fix is in for a Television Billionaire to win. It appears the setup is Trump versus Bloomberg.
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If the media covered elections as serious decision-making points at which voters/citizens have the power to significantly influence via self-government the trajectory of our country's future -- rather than as NFL playoffs crossed with every reality show that ever aired -- then Senatory Warren would be our next President.
She is the best choice: integrity, experience, character, smarts, education, and a consistent-over-time genuine vocation of preserving America's ordinary middle class people, and of protecting us from the slick suits.
We might be in too much shock to vote well, related to PTSD in which the T stands for President Lance: Who to his credit -- not that this was his intent -- has incised a festering abscess, if you will.
Now, Americans of every stripe are trying to clean up, as best they know how, all the purulent drainage, so that our wonderful nation can heal and proceed with becoming its best self, as per our founding documents.
We do not yet walk the talk, but the talk is excellent.
I have had so many great conversations since 11/2016, with all kinds of people. It has been amazing. People who aren't actively crazy and don't worship money vs God have all kinds of areas of agreement on what is basically good and right and fair.
Thus I am certain Senator Warren will be an excellent President. She and the many stellar candidates, who each have so much to contribute to the common good, will join forces with voters, and all shall be well, if messy.
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Liz Warren did just fine. Hillary set the woman's movement back fifty years and Liz was carrying that weight. She fought her fight and moved the ball forward. The people are not ready for her and they don't deserve her. No big deal. Happens all the time. You can bet she will do great things in the near future.
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Just got my ballot in the mail. California for Warren 2020 and 2024!
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Ms. Warren's candidacy ended with her "Medicare for all" plan. She will stay loyal to the party and continue to be a powerful voice of reason in the Senate. If the Democrats can somehow flip the Senate, she would be an excellent Majority leader.
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She didn't want to burn down the party, but like Sanders, she's perfectly happy burning the economy to a crisp.
Good riddance.
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“ — her primary-night speech was not carried live by any of the major cable networks.”
Biden’s was - from S. Carolina. Why the media ghosting?
She was/is leading him in early voting, delegates, and most polls.
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Senator Warren's candidacy has demonstrated the peril inherent in proposing specific plans rather than hollow platitudes. But I don't think the voters want just empty bromides. And if the article's title is meant to imply that Elizabeth Warren would garner more support if she were just nastier to her opponents, I don't think that's what the voters want either.
Iowa and New Hampshire are small unique states. There are still many candidates in the race, with both the progressive and centrist vote split among them. There are 55 state and territory primaries yet to go, and a brokered convention remains a distinct possibility.
I wouldn't count Senator Warren out just yet.
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This is the 2nd headling declaring Warren as a goner in 2 days. Yes, Iowa and New Hampshire were less than ideal and will probably hurt her, but headlines like these create a self fulfilling prophecy and are incredibly unfair. Please, let the people think for themselves instead of making eye catching brash predictions when only 64 delegates have been awarded. It's unprofessional, greedy, and only exacerbates the faults of the primary process.
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I agree with “winemaker,” a letter writer below, who details the entirety of Senator Warren’s health services plan. Paying for Medicare for all would be less expensive than our mass health robbery system. Only one or two percent of a billionaire’s net worth would pay for the greater amount. And raising Social security yearly contribution caps for the wealthy, above the roughly $170,00. would protect the trust fund indefinitely. Her facts count. Media attention to glamorous candidates without experience or the ability to pull congress along, as Warren can, are misguided. And that also includes both Sanders and Mayor Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg largely privatized the social supports for families in New York City, bring in Wisconsin Ayn Rand acolytes who closed and sold housing for homeless youth, forcing them to the streets or inappropriate placements doomed to fail. He ruthlessly cut union rights as much as he could and showed contempt for working people throughout his reign. I know. My husband was fired along with hundreds of skilled youth workers, social workers, and educators in 1992.
I contribute my little bit monthly to Senator Warren, will march for her, whatever is needed. (Though I’d also like to suit her up. Power dressing never hurt.)
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@Dana O Yours is a wonderful comment, although I disagree with your dismissal of Sanders. What you wrote about Warren is wonderful.
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Her descent began after she ambushed Sanders and accused him of saying no woman could be elected president. Apparently attacks backfire in these democratic primaries, especially this one since it didn't sound like Sanders; he denied it; and he's never been caught lying. I like Warren more since she's been humbled but would prefer seeing her as Secretary of Commerce or on the Supreme Court. Her ten percent and the loyalty of her supporters are going to be important to any nominee.
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@frankly 32
For a Secretary of Commerce there's already a competition between Steyer and AOC.
For plenty of people who aren't living in Iowa and New Hampshire, she's still our candidate, and it's not over! California WILL weigh in in two weeks.
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Warren simply didn't get as many votes or others, for whatever reason(s): her positions, her presentation, voters simply liking other candidates more... any number of reasons.
But that do her results have to do with her "rejecting 'you win, I lose' politics" (whatever that means), or any similar, simplistic, reductive, soundbiteesque, statement by a headline-writer or reporter?
How about just reporting on the events, and then offering several possible explanations as part of your analysis -- clearly separating the two, please! -- and not trying to reduce any news story to a soundbite? Isn't *that* the role of candidates' PR spinners, not the news media?
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Warren needs to be warren. She is a strong, educated woman with a moral compass. Warren needs to stop listening to her detractors and plow forward. I’m so over the humans who say she lied about her NA dna. Reality, how many really know what his/her dna is. Most humans go by whatever the parents say.
Bernie hasn’t had a proper job in decades. It is easy to be a left winger when you live in an underpopulated state and have been collecting a government paycheck and health benefits for decade.
He’s not well liked... can he really get the legislative branch to support him? I’m still befuddled that Mitch has been able to but then, there is no greater liar than Mitch. Well, maybe Trump.
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She's still in this. If you look at the delegate counts, she's #3. New Hampshire is a tiny, not very representative state. And she still had the grace to congratulate Amy Klobuchar for doing so well. She may be too good for us. I wish she hadn't backed down on the medicare for all issue, the way that narrative has been controlled by those indebted to the industry, and all the $$ that that industry brings, was so transparent.
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Warren has been my pick since the campaigns began. She’s clearly the smartest candidate in the race. If she’s out tho I will support Bernie. And Bernie loses (some of his “supporters” are beyond bullies) I will support the democratic Nominee. When I hear a supporter of any democratic candidate say they will support trump if their fave doesn’t get nod they are either Russian bots or beyond privileged in that trumps evil policies have not affected them YET.
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I was thinking of her as my first choice last fall, until she said in an early debate that she favored outlawing private insurance. Outside the progressive bubble, that's a recipe for losing elections.
Obamacare with a public option is like what they have in Germany, Holland, and Switzerland, and they get great results: wide coverage and excellent health outcomes. It's a myth that every other advanced country does single payer. There is more than one route to the health care goals we all share.
So my candidate now is Amy Klobuchar, the only one who has won general elections (3 of them!) in a competitive state. The Electoral College vote is how the presidency is won or lost; the Republicans know they have no chance in California, New York, Massachusetts, or Vermont.
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I just love her so much. I feel sad that the misogyny of 2016 is repeating itself.
I voted for Bernie in the primary in 2016 but am so turned off by his supporters' venom and his unwillingness to ask them to tone it down. His campaign manager is like a leftwing Kellyanne Conway. If he doesn't pick EW as his running mate (if he gets the nomination), I might have to write someone in. (Just like Bernie's campaign manager did in 2016.)
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Please spare me.
The woman lied for years about her heritage. The Boston Globe said it didn't help her career but then why did Harvard list her as a Native American? That should have disqualified her. As much as Trump can be a bully and a blowhard he was absolutely right to taunt her about her lies.
Then she lied about being fired for getting pregnant. She quit to go to law school.
Just because the press gave her passes (a Republican who claimed a false ethnicity would not be allowed to continue running), doesn't mean the American people can't see through this charade.
Her campaign slogan should have been "Free stuff and no way to pay for it!" The WSJ called her plans to provide government health care without increases in middle class taxes a "fairy tale". And how do we pay a trillion dollars in student loan debt? People with no college education pay the bills for people who attended colleges they couldn't afford and got degrees they can't use. That's called regressive taxation.
There are a limited number of people who believe the Middle Class is suffering when every economic statistic says otherwise. There are a limited number of people who believe insurance and pharmaceutical companies are the villains when we have the best cancer survival statistics in the world-much better than countries with nationalized health care. There are a limited number of people who believed Warren's fairy tales.
Apparently they're voting for Sanders. Saint Liz wasn't a victim.
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Nailed. It.
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Wow 3 articles about the death of Warren’s campaign in 24 hours. Why is the NYT so eager to write her off?
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Thank you. This nails it
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@Justin Because they didn’t really mean their endorsement. The board doesn’t want progressives to threaten the power structure of the Dems.
I really think, once again, the media is shaping the story & trying to determine the outcome rather than reporting the facts carefully. This is a serious issue. Most of the data is not in. Anyone ever look at how make people make choices—1st, 2nd, 3rd preferences? This is too important to wrap up without sufficient data or the bulk of people weighing in. Don’t count Elizabeth Warren out. And for people just responding to the headlights—go to a respected site and evaluate her effectiveness in Congress over others. Data can really help
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Rebecca, my thoughts exactly! I’m baffled as to why the pundits and the media have decided Warren is done for - even before New Hampshire. Her silence at the debate was largely because the moderators didn’t call on her. She is by far the smartest, best organized candidate with well-developed policy plans. She’s progressive without being a bomb-thrower. She refuses to tear down the other candidates, because she’s tough but fair. I believe she could successfully defeat Trump, if it weren’t for the conventional wisdom that “a woman can’t win” based on a sample size of exactly one.
The conventional wisdom is still woefully sexist, and always looking for the sensational. Elizabeth Warren is a far better representative of the progressive view in this election than Bernie. I’ll support her as far as she will go. I wonder if she’s too good for us!
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Just over 1% of the population of the US lives in both IA and NH. What a joke to put so much significance on these results.
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She should drop out and endorse Klobuchar, who remains the Dems best bet by a long shot to beat Trump this fall.
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I started out being a Warren fan and wished she had run last time instead of Hillary. But having watched her for awhile I think she is not able to focus on a few critical issues and build momentum. She has a plan for every single left wing pet project and gives them equal weight. I don't believe that transgender bathroom issues (real as they may be) rise to the level of protecting American democracy and freedom. The house is on fire. It is not time to worry about the rug in the living room being frayed. Democrats need a cohesive message around saving the country from a despotic sociopathic president and a cowardly traitorous party that has rallied behind him. Nothing else matters in this election. Nothing.
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I've never heard her talk about transgender bathrooms before, and she has detailed plans addressing climate change. So I'm not sure where you're getting your info from.
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Warren has not found, nor do I think she can find, the middle ground between desperate and confident.
She seems to follow the finger pointing of Bernie and the seeming rationale of Amy.
It's too later her. If she couldn't win in NH, she done.
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Is that really what she did? She lost my confidence when she tried to put words in Bernie's mouth.
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@Aaron
I agree. That and when she backtracked on Medicare for All made her seem like just another maneuvering politician.
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If there's blame for Sen Warren's poor performance in Iowa and NH, it's the media. The media unfairly attacked her last fall on her plan to pay for Medicare-for-All in an intellectually unfair way, ignoring/not publicizing facts known all to well.
The US health care industry accounts for 20% of GDP, over $4 trillion/yr. Ten years ago we were wringing our hands because it was then 16%. It's only gone up. Look at the monthly jobs report - health care jobs usually lead the gains, which only means health care is increasing its GDP share. We KNOW other developed countries spend about half/person on health care with BETTER OUTCOMES.
So what does the media focus on? (1) How much is this new government program going to cost? They throw out $3T per year, or a huge number like $30T (for the 10 year budget, without mentioning it). Fear. Be scared! They don't mention that we'll spend at least $40T over the 10 years no matter what!
(2) OMG, how much will this raise our taxes? A huge tax increase. Be afraid! Come on. We're already spending this money hand over fist. We're just moving it around. This spending includes private health industry profits and probably 20% of inefficient admin costs - costs that provides not an ounce of cure. Savings!
(3) We will lose our private health care and CHOICE. Horrible! Your employer chooses, not you. Your insurance company chooses, not you. Private care docs will become Medicare docs.
The media is in the pockets of the health industry.
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@Winemaker And Big Pharma and Big Insurance. Ever watch TV? How many ads are for drugs and insurance? That is $$$. Challenge those and you challenge the greed and wealth of those who are benefiting.
Oh Warren the great progressive.
She and her husband are one percenter multimillionaires. She proposes a wealth tax. Its threshold is high enough that bleeding heart liberal Warren would not have to pay.
She's against school choice. Sent her son to a private school.
She is for gun control. Surrounds herself with an armed security detail.
She says the world will end from climate change. She jets around on private planes.
Wants to tackle student debt. Reportedly makes $500k per year teaching one section of one course per sememster.
Worries endlessly about the middle class and poor. Yet wants open borders to drive down wages and drive up housing costs.
Wants to give taxpayer paid healthcare to illegal aliens.
She is a real gem that Warren.
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Bernie is a millionaire too. At least warren worked a real job for decades.
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@Reader In Wash, DC Likewise.
@ Reader in Wash, DC has really got garbage to throw. This is encouraging, because Senator Warren can win, tax the extremely wealthy to pay for health care, and the scares both the Russians and the plutocrats. She’s the President is afraid ofthis Trump-sound-alike
As a Democrat, I'm very worried about the direction the voting has taken so far. Warren has been my candidate since last summer, and I'm frankly surprised she hasn't done better. Biden is out of the question; doesn't project enough energy, too Neo Liberal. Mayor Pete is too green and too young. I question Sanders' electability, though I like his policies. I just don't see middle of the road Dems voting for him, too cranky, too divisive. Klobuchar is also too Neo Liberal. So I'm a progressive who wants someone who can appeal more broadly; that is Warren. I just hope she can get it turned around soon, because if not, we are in big trouble in Nov.
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I was surprised by the numbers from Iowa and New Hampshire because I think Elizabeth Warren would dance circles around Trump. She is quick witted and sharp. I think she would be the most equipped to create stop-gaps for presidents who get the impulse to run rogue.
The media is handwringing over how Bernie is too far left. Elizabeth is not as far left. Many of her policies are what we are currently doing in California. And, we have a surplus.
We have many states to go and all of the press is prematurely calculating results. I am for Warren and I will be cheering her on.
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@d In SF, Elisabeth Warren would dance circles around practically all opponents but SF is not by the wildest stretch of imagination representative of the nation's political sentiment. Like it or not, much of the nation is not willing to accept many of her policies.
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@disillussioned1
I might be making the wrong assumption with your stating SF is not the wildest stretch...rep of the nation's political sentiment, but I think you are saying we are unique to the rest of the country.
I would argue: We are a highly diverse state; We grow food for the nation; We pay high taxes due to highly populated cities within the state; We border Mexico; We have rural towns. And with all that we face, we have a surplus. Due to our high taxes Californians have moved to other states and our country is changing. I just think if we keep "wondering why our cookies don't come out right, we make them the same every time" to "play it so completely safe", we go nowhere.
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Worst run campaign ever. Her strategists should all leave politics forever.
Most Dems would never support blowing up our existing health care system. Nor do they support free college when they just put their kids through with loans and sacrifices.
Stupid, stupid.
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I’m glad that Elizabeth Warren appears to be in serious trouble. Not because I find her policies unappealing. But at a time when Donald Trump rules the country, the last thing I want is a president who is a fraud. A) She was a Republican until 1996 and switched when she was already 47 years old. That means she was a Republican when Reagan and Bush I were presidents. When Anita Hill was torched, when Hillary Clinton was being savaged, vilified, accused of murder. Warren became a Democrat in 1996 - when she got her job at Harvard. Quite a coincidence.
Her supporters forgave her the Cherokee business, but I have only one Native American acquaintance - a prominent activist, attorney, academic - and she told me that she would never consider voting for Warren. Her mendacity was a big deal; if she’d claimed she was black, she’d have been done. Native Americans always get the short end of the stick.
There are conflicting accounts from her about her pregnancy and having to leave her position as a teacher. Most dramatic, however, is her shift on Israel. In 2014, at Cape Cod, she said: “When Hamas puts its rocket launchers next to hospitals, next to schools, they’re using their civilian population to protect their military assets. And I believe Israel has a right, at that point, to defend itself.”
Now she pretends to be a champion of the Palestinians. Six years later? She’s not to be believed, and shouldn’t be president.
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Call me crazy, but being able to change one's mind based on personal experience and evidence seems like a strength, not the weakness of character you make it out to be.
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@Expunged Your account is bizarre but a great lesson in perception.
Moderates got us nowhere four years ago. That was Hillary and she literally stole the primary from Sanders. Warren is just another moderate in pretend progressive sheep's clothing. If the party goes with another moderate, you won't have my vote and I'll just leave the president blank.
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@FrankM
You don't know the meaning of literally.
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Cool take, "I can't have my way, so you all get Trump". Considering the eventual candidate will need voters who may have wanted someone else, these reactionary stances are foolish and short-sighted. Seriously, just out yourself in another supporters position and say that same thing. It's a bad stance.
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@FrankM We're from blue states and can get away with that sort of thing. Just hope you won't encourage everyone to stay home.
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What I think really did her in was her spat with Sanders where she refused to shake his hand. For someone as publicly measured and polite to show such a petty side was a bad mistake. What I really don't understand is the refusal of the press to take Buttigieg seriously. He finished less than 2 points behind Sanders in two contests now and a much wider spread ahead of the rest of the pack. Doesn't that count for anything?
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@TimG Only a woman could get disqualified by failing to shake someone's hand while a 38 year old mayor from Indiana who speaks in management retreat platitudes and thinks enough of himself to apply for president without Congressional office first, who hoodwinks millions into thinking he's got original ideas, or could even execute the ones he has is the darling of the MSM.
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Oh my god what a great country we would be if we elected Warren for president.
Republicans are, to my great admiration, the new American Kamikaze. To prevail their race-based purity, they are willing to sacrifice their children and grandchildren to a climate catastrophe, gutted education, rusted infrastructure, and corrupted justice. One must respect adversaries like this; willing to make these kinds of sacrifices in order to control. Any party that can pull off a Benghazi on Hillary, and Hunter on Biden - has my admiration. And I am amazed that they are in cahoots with Putin, and an army of American and foreign scam artists.
To fight the Kamikaze, you need a stern warrior. He must rally the troops, get people charged and angry. Only Bloomberg fits that bill. None, not Warren, not anyone, is aware of this - they still think America is land seduced by promises of kindness, goodness, equality and justice - when the data is overwhelmingly, in flashing neon, indicates the exact opposite.
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Bloomberg is just another arrogant oligarch and he was a terrible mayor who gave over the city to the real estate industry
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@Kalidan I think Warren is completely aware of it. She should talk about it but she's getting some very bad advice from presentation consultants.
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Warren is on the mark when she calls for Barr to resign or be impeached for intervening in Roger Stone's sentencing.
Warren is the voice we need, speaking against corruption, and for some real meaning in the word justice.
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Plenty of time to adjust.
Warren is hitting a trough now because (1) she was the first scrutinized with her plans. (2) she needs to get a little more sharp elbowed, too nice (3) underestimated winning Bernie’s “lane” and got too much in it (4) she’s pivoting early to center in the long game which seems confusing to many.
The “horse race” coverage doesn’t work to her strengths. Her focus on the first two states didn’t pay off. She’s smart. She’ll figure it out.
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She accused Bernie of lying “on national television” - something someone on Springer would say. She has no self control. Fancy refusing to shake Bernie’s hand?
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I am troubled by the media trying to use the results from two small states that are not representative of the diversity of the general population of this nation, let alone the minimal number of delegates chosen to call out whether a candidate is viable. It would be tragic if this is made to be a self-fulfilling prophesy even though it is not true at this time.
I do recall right before the November election in 2016, every pundit was discussing the end of the Republican party because of their nomination of Donald Trump, as well as some Democrats celebrating their system allowing "super delegates" to override the voters if necessary.
I have not decided whether to vote for Sanders or Warren, and do not think it would be fair or right if my choice (or anyone else in the most populous state) should be taken away after only Iowa and New Hampshire voted. I also hope that the so-called "party establishment" does try to override people's will by sabotaging any progressive candidate because that will turn voters off and 2016 will be repeated.
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@migobears I'm going to assume that you meant to write that you "also hope that the so-called "party establishment" does NOT try to override people's will by sabotaging any progressive candidate because that will turn voters off and 2016 will be repeated."
It's a good statement and needs to be read so I hope you don't mind my "intervention." My fingers and brain sometimes refuse to dance together, too!
The moment Warren hired Obama/Clinton staffers into organizing her campaign, she started to waffle on her healthcare and other proposals, at which point, her polling trajectory started to go downhill, never really to recover.
In starting out as a "progressive", and then not sticking to her principles, she lost the "progressive" war to one who does continually stand by his principles, Bernie Sanders and the voter took notice.
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Warren should focus upon restoring the consensus among all Americans which provides reality to government by the consent of the governed. That’s how she gets popular without tearing down her Democratic opponents. Focus on getting to what we must do together instead of focusing upon what I will do that nobody else can.
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Trump does not debate policies, he bullies. And Warren does not look like she could take and give back.
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@Eastbackbay
Trump will look like the con man he really is after 20 minutes with Elizabeth Warren.
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@Barry McKenna Trump looks like a con man every second of his miserable existence. The bigger issue is that so, so many people don't care that we turned out country over to a career criminal.
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Sen. Warren was too honest.
The other candidates proposing colossally expensive programs just confused questioners with extravagant tales of much money flowing around without adding that none of it was government cash and could never be used to pay for anything.
But Warren honestly tried to express her best ideas at the time of how to pay for tens of trillions in new spending, and the grossly unprofessional news media blamed her for her efforts.
Were these two electoral exercises being conducted in a Harvard law classroom, she'd have come out smelling like a rose. An EXPENSIVE rose, but an honest one.
In American politics, there wil never be a gold star for the best thinkers or presenters, or Jeff Zucker would be out of a job - as well as officefuls of political advocates in NYC and Washington, D.C. newspaper offices.
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Warren is right the system is rigged and she's part of the problem. She wants to reward irresponbile students who borrowed beyond their means and give them a big gift courtesy of the taxpayers. Students who borrowed responsibly or worked their way through school get no gift. People who did not even get to go to college get no gift.
PLUS she wants to let the schools off the hook. They are the ones who should pay for any college loan forgiveness. She reportedly make a cool $500k per year teaching one session of one course per semester. She is a big part of the higher education racket.
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@Reader In Wash, DC No, courtesy of the Bernie billionaiahs.
Where will Warren's support go?
Sanders who shares her values and policies?
Buttigieg who has ZERO experience and has no accomplishments to name?
Klobuchar the only other woman in the race?
Hardly. Clinton was a product of an incumbency. No matter how competent, her candidacy was tainted by dynastic entitlement -- and incredibly poor political judgement. Anyone planning to run for President as a champion of greater economic equality giving absurdly compensated private speeches at Goldman Sachs either is dumb, fundamentally unaware, or has a macabre sense of humor. She is clearly extremely smart and publicly humorless.
Warren, in contrast, is a beneficiary of hard work, empathy, and. like us all, a great deal of luck. She's made strategic plunders. Universal healthcare should be a national goal, but the addiction to the present system is deep. Wiping out private health insurance is threatening a junkie with kicking the habit cold turkey. The way to it has to be gradual for both practical and political reasons.
Warren's not going to be President, but she'd make a great Cabinet member.
@Eben
Lots of words describe HRC but competent is not one of them. As Colin Powell said she screws up everything she touches.
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@Reader In Wash, DC You mean the Colin Powell that stood before the nation using his credibility to justify war against Iraq? That Colin Powell?
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I have said this before, and every time I read these analyses I think it bears repeating:
This is a primary.
Support the candidate who best represents what you think will lead our party. Why vote based on who you _don't_ want?! That is crazy.
Electability arguments are inherently flawed ; the candidate that wins is the most electable. That is how that works.
Finally, I think it's also incumbent on everyone in the party to keep in mind this is the setup for the general election. Realize even the Dem candidates you don't like (hopefully)compare massively better than the current mess.
Read news about the latest budget! Thats nuts.
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Warrens lies and misrepresentations finally caught up with her is why she lost big in the State next door to hers. Give the voters credit for seeing her for what she really is: a very flawed person who does, or says, anything to get a step up over her peers by any means necessary....No more!
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Sanders/Warren.
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TWO PERCENT of the country has voted. She is in THIRD PLACE in the delegate count. She had an absolute army of supporters and volunteers across the country (not just in states with hugely white populations!) who haven’t skipped a beat after yesterday. What on earth is up with these NYT hit pieces??
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Thank you!!!
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Of course the genius is getting pushed out. We are in the Idiot Age.
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Warren is definitely the brains of the Democratic Party, and her focus on helping the middle class and restraining the "malefactors of great wealth" ( to use FDR's phrase) are just what the Democratic Party needs. I've always liked her and admired her, but she seemed unlikely to be the nominee because she has the affect of a really good teacher (energetic, tense, able to communicate complicated ideas in simple ways) rather than the affect of a good leader ( calm, deliberative, solid). If she ends up as the nominee, it will be fine with me, but if she doesn't, we should still cherish her for the intellectual foundation she has given the party. And if she is the nominee, she needs to work on seeming more like an executive than a teacher.
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Warren unfortunately lost the race for the presidency because she didn’t have a compelling explanation of how to pay for her new programs. In part this was problem if explication and explanation. In part, because you have to be careful how much you promise.
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Eventually you just have to question her political instincts. The DNA test, caving to bad-faith pressure on Medicare-for-All, and going after Bernie when, it turns out, Buttigieg was busy stealing her lunch...
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Warren is the only one talking about American government as a social contract.People construct a government that will allow them to obtain goods that we can't achieve individually.The most fundamental American good is individual freedom & government's responsibility is to protect it for everyone.
What Warren points out is that "freedom" isn't defined by what is good for a straight healthy wealthy white male The conditions necessary for this group's freedom do not prevail for everybody else.
Racism,sexism,homophobia,ableism,poverty reduce the opportunities for people to be in control of their own destinies. As do corruption of the marketplace enabled by a corrupted government so that capitalism isn't having the use it proclaims
Capitalism is an economic tool a society can use to achieve human goods & freedom.It isn't the model of human relationships & shouldn't structure them.So in order to enable human freedom government needs to step in to ensure that the economic system is not subverting freedom & the overall amount of human happiness.
All morality is based on a notion of reciprocity Nobody creates himself & what we become depends on what others, including government,have aided us with.So those that have benefited from the system, like the wealthy,need to start paying back into it so others can have the opportunities they had.
If Isaac Newton could say that he only achieved because he stood on the shoulders of others who is Martin Shkreli to say he did it all on his own?
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@Christine I hope the candidates will contact you for permission to use this beautiful comment. It's great.
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Warren continues to shift her narrative - Native American, woman, now “a consensus” candidate. And her exciting plan to resurrect her campaign is “a memo?” It is hard not to laugh. Her neighbors clearly see through her - she is hardly the leader America needs.
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Unfortunately for Warren this does not make her look like she would beat Trump. If she performs the way she did Friday night against Trump he will talk over her and paint portraits of her that aren’t true and she will offer responses that are long winded and policy heavy and will not resonate with people. L Trump says what people want to hear and gives short answers. To beat Trump you have to be willing to throw punches and you have to be aggressive or he will make you look bad. Bernie I think would be able to hang with Trump. He could come back just as forcefully as trump would come at him. I think Buttigieg will lose momentum and slowly drop out on Super Tuesday. As for Klobuchar everybody should look up the article the NYT posted on how she treats her staff, completely changes my perspective on her. Feel the Bern!
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@Walker Magrinat (age 14) you may wish to study up a bit on Feel the Bernie's history. You may learn what is in store for him should he get the nomination. A billion dollars in negative ads by the GOP will simply destroy Feel the Bernie. As Trump says, Bernie will go through some things.
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it is time for her to back Bloomberg with a promise of a cabinet seat to permit her to execute some of her ideas backed by authority.
Ms Warren we stand behind you and we don’t listen to the white male voices.
Warren has done the work and any self respecting democratic woman better get out and vote, support Warren
Otherwise no one wants to hear about the me to movement . If you don’t vote for a woman your just in bed with do nothing white elite men
White Women get your act together and vote for a woman who is going to support women’s rights, minorities know who to vote for
No white man cares about any women
Do the right thing, Amy will be another Susan Collins do nothing
Warren is a Winner as is Bernie
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Time to quit Liz.
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Nice try, Ms Warren. You are not losing because you were too good; you are losing because your misrepresentations showed you had no authenticity and could not be trusted.
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Everyone, take heart.
Elizabeth Warren is the most qualified candidate for president we have had in many decades.
Elizabeth Warren is the only candidate that can speak to the problems in the Democratic Party that bore the chaos of the Iowa Caucus.
Headline politics is not very nourishing.
We need substance.
Who else has had the kind of vision that brought the American people the kind of help that created the CFPB?
NH has lived next to Bernie for many years.
Many, many primaries to go.
We need a long distance runner.
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Iowa and NH are not representative of the country, and certainly not me. Why conclude that any candidate is not viable? When Bloomberg shows his strength, the show will be different.
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One primary from a small state and one caucus whose results can’t be trusted so far and Liz Warren is supposed to give up! Did Amy Klobuchar give up when she was behind in polling and fund raising early on. One great debate and a memorable story about FDR put her back in the mix. And I am glad for her. She is way more qualified than Mayor Pete. So is Liz Warren. Women know they have to work harder and be more qualified than men with whom they compete. I want Liz to continue fighting for us. My husband and I are sending her donations today. A Warren/Klobuchar ticket would be awesome!
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Senator Warren is a wonderful person, sound and authentic, smart and sensible. We are so lucky to have her as our Senator. What we must do is unite around Bloomberg, win the White House, the Senate and the House -- so that she can sponsor progressive legislation and have the satisfaction of implementing some of her stellar initiatives.
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This is a test of Warren, true.
But it is also a test of us. Can we support a candidate who is honest, who is modest, who presents well thought out plans, who has deep experience addressing the Wall St/Main St divide, both in government and in academia?
Or must we have a savior, either in the form of a shiny young candidate with no record, or in the form of a claimant of the revolution mantel?
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@True Left Very we’ll said. Thank you.
The question the media and America needs to answer is how is it that running a yellow dog to beat Donald Trump isn't viewed as a totally doable, and inevitable thing?
Elizabeth Warren stating that she doesn't want to "burn down the rest of the party" in order to triumph are words of high character. Something the United States hasn't seen anywhere near the Oval Office in over 3 years.
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"We need a Democratic nominee, that our whole party can come together behind..." Warren said after her 4th place NH loss. Isn't this "You win, I lose"? I don't think she's offering the nomination to Bernie. It's a subtle Warren threat.
Ms. Warren lectures to those who disagree with her, failed to give an ex-vice President ANY credit for his achievements and has only recently embraced being a progressive, unlike Bernie.
It's no surprise she doesn't connect with most voters.
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Sanders is a New Deal Democrat who toxically labeled himself decades ago. Credit him with moving the Overton Window so that the Republican religion of shareholder value above all others could be once again seen as extremist. But he's not going to be President. Trump had avoided going after Sanders for the obvious reason: once nominated, Sanders will be easy for Trump to Bidenize.
I'm not thrilled by a battle of billionaires, but in this case 'little' Mike is the only candidate who can take the bully down.
I wish Warren had ran in 2016 -- I believe she missed her moment. She would have won against Clinton and voters would have had a choice between two strong women candidates, one center, and one to the left of center. She would have soared past Sanders then and would have been the middle choice.
I don't believe she can catch up now though I do believe she would be a good president.
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Shut up! Me and 48 states haven't even voted yet!
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What next comes next? Bernie Sanders, that’s what next. It’s not that Sanders can beat Trump, he can. The point is that Sanders is better than Trump, and better wins. People are picking up on this.
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This is not honest. Warren did attempt to go after Bernie including the infamous scolding non handshake. Her popularity has declined ever since. To pretend now that she takes the high road is not credible and will not win back the many who were disillusioned with her behaviour several weeks ago.
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@Norman Journalistic integrity: missing.
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I just showed my support for Warren by making a donation to her campaign. She shows the most promise of uniting people. I hope she continues to fight.
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I like Warren, gave to her campaign. I just feel she needs to be a bit more aggressive with her approach. The last debate in N.H. made me so upset how she wasn’t jumping in or trying to speak like everyone else was doing. We knows she’s kind and courteous, but she needs to show she can throw a punch or two.
She alos would do well by changing how she delivers her talking points. Often candidates start to sound too rehearsed and too robotic by saying the same thing , exactly the same way, over and over again.
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Both Senator Warren and VP Biden peaked early in a long, stressful primary campaign. Momentum may change back
I’m their favor in urban states but it feels like voters want “new” faces. This is unfortunate because both would be excellent presidents: extremely smart, kind, and more experienced than others. If a Democrat wins the presidency, they will have a momentous (and dangerous) job ahead.
Senator Sanders is the most like President Trump in that he is a brand name with a solid base of loyal supporters. The similarities end there. A Democratic Socialist versus an autocrat.
Not sure if Bloomberg is helping to get a moderate Democrat on the ticket. Love his commercials though! They show our president as the cruel, dangerous fraud he is. For that I am grateful.
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Your article is disappointing and inaccurate. Lizzie is honest, tough, intelligent, empathetic, willing to take on the rich boys, and big bully Trump! She will make a wonderful President of whom we will all be proud.
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It's really hard to get the nomination in this country. You have to appeal to the intelligent citizens, and Elizabeth Warren certainly is one of, if not the most intelligent candidate running for president. Unfortunately, you also have to be a super showman and provide entertainment for the mentally challenged among us. You have to grab their attention and keep it coming. Maybe she should start having fun with it and come up with her version of "Lock Her Up" and lead the unwashed in some unholy chants. If she claims that she's a stable genius, she wouldn't be lying. She would make an excellent president and would turn everything right-side up again. Then there's that little pesky fact that she's a woman. OMG! Personally, I think she'd eat Trump alive in a debate, but that's me. I don't see any of the other candidates doing that.
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Trump will refuse to debate anyone he's scared of. He'll use the MSM is unfair card. Watch.
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@Eben I think you are absolutely right about Trump not participating in debates. You don't see autocrats debating anyone. Since impeachment ended he is getting his full autocrat on. Debates will be beneath him.
This belongs in the opinion section not in politcs. You are shaping opinion by declaring Warren a loser after two contests.
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So are these authors implicitly saying Sen Warren made a mistake here? Is this what we want in not only our politics, but in business practices, personal relationships, job competition - every facet of life. We have enough "I win, you lose" mentality in this country. I for one admire Sen Warren taking the high road. It's unfortunate but too often true - "no good deed goes unpunished". But I'd rather go to sleep with a clear conscience than win at all costs. Isn't this part of the character humanity ought to be striving to achieve?
The media, these authors and the NYT included, are more interested in the trashy bickering - the fight - amongst the candidates that educating readers and the public about the truth of their policies. CNN, MSNBC, The Times love reporting on the candidates taking shots at each other. IT SELLS, that's all they care. Meanwhile, they completely ignore the true substance of the race. And they take the public down the same path as it feeds upon itself, like a self-licking ice cream cone.
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She said it in her speech on Tuesday night. She is not the candidate of "platitudes" (PB), "nice rhetoric" (Bernie), and she is not beholden (PB, AK). I haven't asked her, but I think she's "got a plan" to win. Don't count her out, NYT. Continue to count on the best person to run for President of the United States in 52 years.
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I will surely support whomever the Democratic candidate is but, currently I am not ready to swallow the DOOMSDAY scenario being painted on the Warren campaign … so early in the primaries.
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We’ve had one caucus and one primary in two of the smallest and least representative states. Only a tiny fraction of the total delegates up for grabs have been awarded. Warren is building a grassroots movement that continues to bring in a steady stream of small dollar donations from supporters like me. She was a dark horse early in her first senate run in Massachusetts against a popular incumbent. She won that race. So please, spare us all the obituaries about her candidacy. This isn’t over until every delegate is counted.
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um... if she really stood for what she said, she would endorse B.Sanders. If not, maybe that's part of why she's losing -- people didn't believe her, and that was correct? Let's see....
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How gentle the Times is with their darling Elizabeth. was it really how she rejected 'You Win, I Lose’ Politics? Could it have been a professorial and pedantic style coupled with vacuous policies of: the-government-can-do-it-all-and-we'll-never-lose-again (so "the government" will always be wise and benevolent)?
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I think Buttigieg and Klobuchar are going to fade out--they're the big media flavor of the week right now, but Warren has 8 delegates to Klobuchar's seven and we've got a long way to go. I still think she has the best chance of unifying both sides of the party and will come up strong in the upcoming races. She is both progressive and pragmatic, smart and always learning.
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The two New Englanders shouted ''universal medical care'' from Day One.
Warren tried to give details about how she'd pay for it while Sanders absolutley refused to discuss that, insisting that we simply look at all the NON-governmental cash involved in medicine and just hoped people would get tired of thinking within half a minute.
Sanders' method seems to have worked. If it is going to take hard questions from reporters to MAKE Sanders explain how he is going to find the sixty trillion single-payer will cost, the media may be too invested in him - ala Obama 2008 - to ever get the first straight answer from Bernie the Soviet.
Who knew Bernie would fall in love with citizens having the status of farm animals in Russia with their government?
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@L osservatore I am confident that Bernie's history will surface on a wide scale concerning his past anti-American rhetoric. It won't be pretty, especially when framed by Trump and the goat rodeo.
Elizabeth Warren is highly qualified candidate ; however her message got muddled and muddied by the Sanders message of free everything . She should have stuck to her original message and what she's good at ; the consumer protection bureau , a brilliant creation in the fight against consumer abuse by companies . Skittish ? I don't think so, she just doesn't get down in the mud flinging and wrestling of some of the other candidates . Unfortunately , it seems some of the voters seem prefer a candidate that does . I hope she stays in the fray . There is so much that needs to be righted . When Bernie promises free medicare for all and Trump is busy with cuts to the existing social programs , we need a candidate that will restore what is being destroyed ; not the moon . This is the reality that is facing our country now and a candidate that will earnestly work hard to bring this country out of this miasma is crucial . If she doesn't win , I hope whoever is the nominee will consider her for a position in their cabinet .
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The NYT asks: “What comes next?” Answer: 48 more states.
No rush to judgment journalism please.
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Of course she has faded. She was incredibly unlikable and came off as very fake, not to mention having a real issue with telling the truth. Even when the truth might serve better than a lie. A toxic combination. It was almost like someone in a lab created a candidate with Hillary Clinton’s most negative characteristics but turned up to eleven.
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As opposed to Donald Trump who tells the truth all the time.
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@Elle Trump is worse isn't an answer to every question. And the fact that "Trump is bad" seems to be the Democrat primary message will likely lead to his second term. Enjoy.
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@Todd Can't think of anyone more toxic than Trump ; who fabricates all the time . Obvious you prefer that but wait , you're probably ankle deep in the in coming flood water that isn't climate change in Key West . Another lab created , or imagined untruth of the democrats.
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I wrote to her campaign many times asking for her to focus on her core policy strength- economic stability and opportunity through sound financial regulations- this is where most Americans can firmly follow Ms. Warren and the more consequential policy to the middle class. A wealth tax and the myriad of policy positions won’t be as effective in either persuading the electorate nor changing the economic hardships of this nation.
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If I were Elizabeth Warren, I’d at least go through South Carolina and Nevada. Those states have more varied voters, and will give a better indication of what’s to come. Several low hanging fruit candidates have just dropped out. I understand her wavering, the NH primary has been disappointing. However, she has been in the top tier. At least she is willing to face the reality that too many candidates make it harder to beat Trump. Voters need to decide whether they want a progressive of more conservative liberal to run against Trump. The field has to be narrow enough to allow that choice to be made.
Warren was my choice over Clinton years ago. She remains my favorite today.
I don't think the media ever got behind her (or any of the democratic candidates) because they would rather cover the completely insane criminal Trump 24/7 to get more clickbait and in-turn more revenue.
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Smartest woman in any room, the one who terrifies Trump, and the media is continuing to dismiss her. A handful of delegates have been 'won'. She's not giving up and neither am I. Warren 2020.
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@PaulaC. Warren’s best shot now is as Sanders’ running mate. That’s the only way she will be on a 2020 presidential ticket.
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@John -oh my gosh, the Democrats may risk losing even New York with that ticket.
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The question is:
Where did the early supporters for Warren go
and will they come back to her ?
If Bernie was not in the race what percentage of his
supporters would turn to Warren ?
The media is cruel to those who come in 4th or lower,
as the article noted many media outlets did not show her
speech after the polls closed.
Maybe a Bloomberg / Warren ticket, where she can go up
to the Congress and get bills passed that need passing and
his money can make their candidacy viable ?
Meanwhile, the Campaign signs, choose a different background
color, something more vibrant.
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It’s Statue of Liberty green. Something we need right now. There’s a message there if you are open to listening.
It has been hard for people to accept that Warren is a second tier Democratic candidate. Her best path forward is to be Bernie’s running mate if he gets the nomination. Hopefully she hasn’t burned that bridge when she called Bernie out.
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Warren had the best message which is about a currupt system which nothing can get done in politics unless we curtail the power of high powered political donors and lobbyist. This message resonates with both the right and left.
She could have used this message to explain any policy discussions and then recommended her own. She didn't do that, she got lost with specifics often goated by her opponents with minutia and lost her message. This is a derelict of duty by her advisers. Politics is about a simple message and she has it. It maybe too late for her which is a shame for America to the benefit of corporate democrats. Unless Bernie becomes the president.
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"The fight between factions in our party has taken a sharp turn in recent weeks, with ads mocking other candidates and with supporters of some candidates shouting curses about other Democratic candidates,” she said. “These harsh tactics might work if you are willing to burn down the rest of the party in order to be the last man standing.”
"burning down the rest of the party" is probably a good thing for the Democrats actually.
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In a competition where only one person can win, rejecting "'you win, I lose' politics" is a pretty ill-informed strategy.
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She sails into the sunset. Her ideals are outdated and modeled on a 1930's Roosevelt.
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Mrs. Warren is completely correct.
Her approach to Not attack other democrats is absolutely correct. This may have not helped her in the short run, and may have even hurt her relative to others who did fight. However, she did what is best for the party - and that will help her in the long run.
She's gaining good karma!
I wish other democrats did the same - putting the party above themselves.
I see the most selfish behaviors from Mr. Sanders and his rabid supporters. Mr. Sanders needs to do more to stop some of his supporters who now are openly saying they will not vote for the Democratic Nominee if Mr. Sanders is not chosen. This is not only wrong, it will help trump to another win. He needs to quickly become aware of this ticking time-bomb that his "supporters" are creating, and using pressure he must tell those supporters to NOT do so.
The truth is, ANYONE attacking other democratic candidates is actually helping trump.
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As an independent, I am stuck with whomever a group of tiny states decide the parties should support.
This is ridiculous, especially as no one knows what the vote would have been if only four or five candidates were on the ballot.
Warren was six percentage points behind Sanders. If she had the votes cast for Steyer (3.6%), Gabbard (3.4%) and Yang (2.8%), she would have won. By next week, more candidates may be out and Bloomberg will be on the ballot. It will be a whole different ball game. She is right to keep striving.
Why are we so anxious to have two small, largely white states make these crucial decisions for us? The fact that hisorically the winners of these primaries have won the nomination is merely proof of the ridiculous influence these primaries have. Losing either race discourages otherwise viable candidates.
It's time to get corporate money out of politics and reinstates rational election laws. As it stands now, the big PACs, with secret members, can push their agendas at will.
Further, it is more than time to get the Electoral College in hand. You would think that Republicans would be behind this as well. After all, my Republican dad's vote did not count for anything in New Jersey, even if a Democratic vote in Ohio was worthless.
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Sanders blew right past Warren in the left lane in Iowa. That was her caution “yellow” light. But NH was always going to be a showdown between Sanders and Warren given the geography. It should have been closer, but he clearly won that battle by a wide margin.
How is that not seen as a red light, Senator Warren? Want to save the party? Hold onto your Senate seat, bow out now and throw your support to Amy while it still might make a difference. Women deserve a shot at the top of the ticket.
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She is by far the smartest, most qualified, best prepared, and most principled person in the race. What a shame that voters have let the spin blind them to her excellence. The Republicans and 1%ers fear her far more than they do Bernie because she knows how to get things done. These results are baffling. Then again, Donald Trump, a person who can barely read, is president and norms, laws, and rules of all kind are falling faster then I ever thought possible. The whole world has turned inside out.
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Bloomberg should reach out to Warren and invite her to be part of his ticket... adopting some of her key-stone policy objectives as part of the deal. Then Bernie can go fly a kite.
@New World , you need a little dose of the "old word" which means make some compromise, swallowing your pride and building a coalition. Fail to bring the two sides together and you get four more years of an even more brutal dictatorship.
@On Therideau No need for Mass. liberal in fight over the rust belt, Klobuchar far better.
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@Northcountry , I appreciate the thought but would have the other former Senator from Minnesota would have had more centre left bona fides.
As a Mainer, you're close enough to Vermont and New Hampshire to know that you need someone who can bleed support from the 'Burn" in order to cement a coalition that will assuage the unrealistic ideologues for the greater good.
This is crazy- two inconsequential races have been held. Many more ahead. I wish the press would stop the horse race and just report on the results. They’re partly to blame for why so much emphasis is put on these small states that are hardly representative of the country. You could be killing her chances! I wish we would move to a single primary day, like the general, that allows people of any party or independents to vote for the candidate and not the party.
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I just voted for Warren in the California primary; we've been voting for over a week now. We are a diverse state with more than 8.5 million eligible voters registered as Democrats. Why do Iowa and New Hampshire hold so much power this early in the process?
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Warren loves plans, but hasn’t demonstrated the ability to let her game plan evolve. Her talking points are way past their pull dates. Softball questions result in canned answers that appear to be more elusive than substantive. Warren’s wonky homespun charm used to feel authentic, now it feels scripted. With her campaign in free fall she might as well start improvising. What could it possibly hurt?
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Warren demonstrated that she can evolve when listening to the public, eg pulling back on Medicare for All. Why isn’t the press giving her credit for this?
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@Mark Hale
Very true, it's hard to critique Robo Pete and Amy One-liner when your canned answers are worse. Biden would like to be anned but can't. Even Bernie sometimes slips into the can, or appears to due to his phrases:
"Look, at the end of the day..."
"I wrote the damn bill..."
"The millionaires and billionaires..."
To all of this I would say "I am not a fan."
Yes we can.
How did Warren once win debates on the debating team? Maybe because the judges weren't real people.
The debates are killing her, especially with obviously scripted and boring answers. She is not all that an appealing speaker, or has not shown to be so far. At the very least she needs to appear more authentic, and understand how to appeal to a live television audience. If not, she doesn't deserve to win because she wouldn't be able to beat Trump.
In what universerve since 1960 has it not been important in the presidential election to win debates. Surprise, 1960 had primary debates, check YouTube
Warren didn't lose because she rejected "you win, I lose" politics. She lost because she tried to appeal to both progressives and centrists, and you can't do both. Progressives could tell that she wasn't committed to policies like Medicare for All. She went back and forth about it, and look how quickly she dropped the subject once she slid in the polls. Can you imagine Bernie dropping Medicare for All if he dropped in the polls? It's inconceivable.
She lost because it became clear in the October debate that she can't answer a straight question and she can't take a punch very well. Then she hired ex-Clinton advisers and started going negative on Bernie, smearing her "good friend" as a sexist, refusing to shake his hand on TV. That backfired in a big way.
Everyone can see that she puts her personal ambition above her professed progressive ideals. That alienates progressives, and yet she's too far left for moderates, who are happier with someone like Klobuchar.
That's why she lost.
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@Chris
She has said explicitly that she believes Medicare for All is the best plan, but to get it though the Congress the voters have to believe that it is better than what they have
So, she proposes an introductory period with the public option, with the expectation that people will come to see the wisdom of Medicare for All, support it, and push their representatives to vote for it.
Warren's plan is both aspirational and practical
But for those who prefer simple slogans to thoughtfulness (looking at you Bernie) it falls flat
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A state with not a lot of people in it is "the biggest contest of her life"? and you jump in with a gloating (sounds like largely pre-written and eagerly waiting) obituary for her political career, with a darting nod to, ah, um, speculations about media bias? really? Which my cell phone presents with a picture of a grey-haired female atop the story -- since we all know that's America's idea of a vigorous political campaign?
I have tried and tried to understand why the media is trying so very very hard to kill Warren's candidacy. In this one, I just scrolled up to see who wrote the article. Two more dudes, trying to write her off -- determined to pronounce and thereby create the end of her campaign.
Just stop. Your own paper endorsed her. Give America a chance to give her a chance, her clarity and sanity and ability to get things done in Washington -- you know, those other 48 states, the ones with a lot of delegates?
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@Z Bailey
I agree. From reading a few of his articles, this Astead W. Herndon who seems to have been assigned to her campaign seems patronizing, seems to feel superior and judgmental and certainly appears to be uninterested in her policies
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I was totally unimpressed any time she had to respond to a question about foreign policy, which left me uncomfortable with the idea of a Warren presidency and functioning as commander-in-chief. Outsourcing veto power over the choice of Secretary of Education to a child did not impress me either.
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Senator Warren is the best choice. Where we are now, I do not know. Amy Klobuchar is a safe choice but does not inspire so much. Sanders is too radical and too old. I don’t see him defeating DT. Biden is past his prime. Buttigieg will never carry the South or Midwest.
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@Kris Sanders and Warren can’t carry the south or Midwest.
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Iowa and New Hampshire are not representative of the US. The primaries process needs to change. Why are these 2 tiny irrelevant states able to drive real contenders out of the race? Just because Warren had a poor showing in those states doesn’t mean she will elsewhere. It’s time to stop old white people from setting the future of our democracy.
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@ABly What difference does this make in relation to Warren. She doesn’t poll well with minorities. Biden will win most of the diverse states, especially in the south and Midwest.
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While Elizabeth attempted to frame the race as the men against the women, sexism, it turns out it was the another woman, Amy, who actually received twice as many votes in NH as Elizabeth. It apparently was the other woman in the race, Amy, who simply had the more appealing presentation as a candidate to be president. Yes indeed, a woman can be elected president, but not necessarily Elizabeth. Elizabeth's sexism complaint turns out to be a bit of a red herring. Twice as many voters in NH were quite willing to vote for another woman and that was part of Elizabeth's problem.
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What happened to the candidate that the NYT endorsed??? Nothing really, except to say that Warren will have to learn from her mistakes. She has to refine her message and re-group her campaign. Having this happen early on in campaign is tough to navigate but if she is successful she will be back in the top tier of candidates. Warren is a fighter, so don't count her out just yet.
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I wish the "Pod Save America" guys will tell her how to be better at politics.
And I wish Senator Sanders didn't have the heart attack, when he got sick, the tide turned for him and against her.
Trump's brilliant stroke earlier on calling her out on using a fake 'Native American' ancestry that paved her career rise was the first serious blow. And the fact that she has a personal net worth in the millions on a government salary while railing against billionaires (not to mention the weird robo like dynamics with her husband) hurt her credibility and broader appeal from the start and sealed her fate in terms of her chances at the highest office. People even in her own party started to look at her as a Hillary 2.0.
The sooner it dawns on her and makes serious efforts to unite the party around the popular Democrat candidate chosen by the Democrat voters, the better it is for her to save face from further decline in popularity.
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As the old saying goes, all candidates have a single opponent, who's name is "Expectations".
Last night the big winners were Pete and Amy. Bernie was a slight loser (yes, he won, but barely squeaked it out against a young mayor of a small city). Warren took a pretty substantial loss - not just because she came in 4th, but because just a short while ago you would have thought she'd be in the top two. And Biden, obviously, lost huge. The former VP of one of the most popular Democratic Presidents in a generation, and he finished fifth?
But the biggest "Expectations" news was the size of the loss, and the speed at which things are changing. Three months ago I could have easily seen Warren and Biden leading (respectively) the progressive and mainstream lanes. The fact that they not only finished fourth and fifth and walked out of NH with no delegates, but that Amy got more votes than both of them combined is actually a bit shocking.
This election cycle is truly a bit surreal.
However, these are still sort of spring training games. The top five all have the resources to stay in until the real season starts - Super Tuesday, who's delegate count swamps anything prior (or anything after). And this year has the added complexity of playing by (not to push the analogy too far) American League rules. The Designated Hitter (Bloomberg) will be stepping to the plate.
This is going to be a genuinely bizarre year.
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Elizabeth Warren is my first choice,but I’m writing to speak up for Amy Klobuchar who you characterized as the choice of those “looking to elect a woman.” My first thought was, “a man wrote that.” A woman would have done a better job of explaining why Ms. Klobuchar is an attractive candidate. Scrolling back to the by line, I discovered I was wrong. Two men wrote this.
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The reality is that ALL of the Democratic candidates are great in their own way . I like what Bernie Sanders says but everything he talks about is getting more ridiculous fairytale land . Colleges will never be free, too many Democrats are not interested in completely throwing away Obamacare, eliminating ALL student debt is ridiculous, and on and on . Let’s get real . Let’s start with getting lower interest rates for student debt , lowering tuition , a public option and so on .
This election is getting me very nervous while Trump is heading this country into a real dictatorship.
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Warren’s attacks on Buttigieg and Sanders give the lie to the “didn’t want to burn the rest of the party”. She tried to smear them and it backfired mightily. THEN she attempted to become the “unity” candidate. She repeatedly demonstrated poor judgement in both policy proposals and campaigning strategies.
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Leo Durocher was right. Nice guys (and gals) finish last.
I knew Liz from law school. She was very bright, and the faculty recognized that she was a special student. But unlike some of our other classmates, she never tried to get ahead at the expense of a classmate.
Whoever gets this nomination will need a VP candidate. That should be Liz. VP was Teddy Roosevelt's path to the White House, and she could be the TR of the 21st century.
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No one has won or lost yet. Iowa and New Hampshire are very insignificant. The issue she has is that those who would like her also like Sanders, and quite frankly either will be a good choice.
The moderates will do their best to keep us serfs so it will take a coalition of liberals to defeat them.
Perhaps in the future the liberals should form a new party that abandons the self defeating corporate loving moderate democrats. They stand for nothing and believe in subservience to our corporate masters. They drag the DFL down and prevent any real change. They pushed a neocon war monger as the DFL candidate and gave us Trump. They may do it again. They are, like Trumpies, in that they vote against their own best interest.
Warren is the best candidate—hands down. Intelligent and experienced, with a proven ability to get things done. And yet, from the beginning, she’s been dogged by questions of electability—questions posed, circulated and amplified by the media. You have convinced America that the best candidate cannot be elected using a measure that is absolutely meaningless. (I have a background in market research. One of the first things you learn is to never ask people what they think other people will do. You ask them what they will do.)
Now we get articles like this, in which Warren is faulted for taking the high road. Are you kidding me? This newspaper needs to step back and decide what role it intends to play in educating and informing America. Your coverage of Warren suggests you’re perfect content with the immoral, inept and dangerous reality show we’re all being forced to watch.
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Even the Boston Globe wrote that she was too "divisive" to run.
She certainly is.
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Democrats can support one intolerant, in your face, idealist, my way or the highway candidate with no message of unity, not two.
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I'm thrilled that Warren got crushed. She's a very unlikeable clone of Bernie and she's a pathological liar. She's tone deaf, too.
What exactly did she ever do to relieve student debt aside from trying to lower interest rates? She was at Harvard for 20 years. She did nothing, she was part of the problem as academia became a massive liberal welfare state fueled by student loans. The bloated ranks of overpaid administrators and faculty who feasted on the debt incurred by the middle class. To the tune of $1T. They are as greedy as Wall St and she expects the rest of us to pay it? Get the debt paid by the colleges and those who benefited.
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Time for Ms.Warren to pack it in and call it a day.
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Seriously, you are writing her off after one primary and one caucus in small, disproportionately white states. Just stop this. There's a long way to go yet.
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When Warren refused to shake Sanders’ hand and called him a liar, she was finished. She’s too manipulative by half; voters won’t abide.
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Another hit job on Warren. Somebody at the NYT, in spite of the editorial endorsement of her candidacy, is determined to bury the one true thinking progressive in this campaign.
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Warren's attacks last night on Sanders and his supporters were disgusting. I used to support her for VP but now think she should be primaried out of the Senate.
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She should partner with Sanders.
And then burn down much of 'Government' and make American a place of hope, again.
Gee. Maybe insulting the Chief Justice at the impeachment hearing was not something people admired. In fact it made them think she was simply a meaner Leftist brand of Trump.
This woman is just awful. Utterly unlikeable.
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If not for Biden's more complete and better deserved collapse Warren's cratering would be a big story.
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She is a looser.She had a nasty televised attack on Sanders accusing him that he is anti women.Her attacks on Bernie backfired .Not a nice and honest person.Her behavior caught up with her.Simple as that
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Susan Collins is a New Englander.
She knows full-well what an abomination this despicable trump-administration is to the sensibilities of the vast majority of New Englanders.
She fully deserves whatever abysmal showing she can manage come the next vote by those New Englanders she purportedly represents.
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I am deeply depressed that a woman who is the most prepared with concrete plans, smart as a whip, even-tempered, indefatigable, and courageous can't get a fair shot, while Bernie cleans up. If Warren drops out I will support Klobuchar, but she's no Elizabeth Warren. It's hard to be a woman in this world, even when you've got everything going for you.
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@Barb Crook
Look, you just can't go wrong supporting Amy Klobuchar.
She's a juggernaut.
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@Barb Crook The fact that you would support Klobuchar if Warren doesn't make it says a lot about why she is losing...
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@Barb Crook I feel exactly the same way. What does she have to do?! Also, why is it seemingly decided after two very small non-representative states?
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She said she did not want to “burn down the rest of the party” in order to triumph. What comes next?
She loses. Not that complicated.
If you are not tough enough to take out Sanders or Buttigieg, you are not tough enough to take out Trump.
I was a Warren supporter. She had the most thoughtful and well developed policy positions - check out her website. She had a plan for everything. Intelligent solutions to real problems. A real champion for the middle class, for the poor, for workers, for the vast majority of Americans. She was going to take on the corporate and billionaire class that is destroying our democracy. That’s not what voters want. I guess she never stood a chance.
Her support for Medicare for All and being goaded, primarily by Buttigieg, into showing a plan for how to pay for Medicare for All, but then backing off supporting that plan when she got push back on that plan made her look weak (Bernie never backs off his positions). She never recovered. She was not willing to fight back, to fight dirty.
The billionaire class, corporations, and mainstream media including NYT were never going let her and her wealth tax win. They are never going to let Bernie win either.
Biden is done. He should have never run.
So pick either Buttigieg or Klobuchar. Or let Bloomberg buy the nomination.
Support the Democratic candidate whoever it ends up being. Do not sit this election out.
Vote Democratic 2020!!!
Our last chance to stop Trump and Trumpism.
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@MC:
Warren is smarter than you realize. She does not want to "burn down" other democrats. One reason is, that is what trump wants. He wants every candidate to be weakened by their own "circular firing squad" -- so by the time trump fights them, each democratic candidate will already be bloodied.
Second, Warren realizes that if she (and other democrats) spend money, time, effort fighting each other -- this will not only expose their own weaknesses (and give trump's hoodlums views into what attacks work and what doen't), it will also help trump's hoodlums to find what types of attacks each democrat is willing to use, vulnerable to, and their strategy.
Warren knows normal politics should not be used with trump -- including normal campaigning tactics. trump is saving his entire salvo for the democratic nominee. Warren is doing the correct thing by signaling to the other democratic candidates that their "circular firing squad" is wrong.
Even president Obama said so.
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@MC I find myself sharing all the same thoughts you expressed, except that I am not counting Elizabeth Warren out yet. She perseveres, and the circular firing squad is still taking out contenders. Let's hope she has a plan for this!
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@MC
One primary loss in a small, white state and you are giving up on Warren?
New Hampshire picked John McCain, Al Gore, and John Kerry. It is the same with Iowa, they rarely are right.
Don't give up on Warren. Fight for her.
Amy doesn't have money for the long haul. Bernie cannot win against Trump.
Warren is it! Stick with her!
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Time to fold the cards.
The "Bernie said x to me in private a year ago and I am just telling you now, sorry if this changes your mind and you spent the last year donating to Bernie" was on par with the Kamala Harris busing stunt - an act of desperation that is disqualifying once the dust settles.
It is noble to campaign to fight corruption. If, however, one is campaigning to fight corruption while also campaigning to have government grow very rapidly and manage far more of the economy, one will have a tough time unless one is running for mayor of Fantasy Island.
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Warren problem is that she tried to propose actual specific plans for Sanders fantasy promises. That had to run into at least some realities. One can be a pure ideologue or a realist, but not both.
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I don’t understand why a small number of voters in a small number of states get to decide who the candidate is. Let several other states chime in here before determining Warren’s (or any other candidate’s) fate.
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Good for her for understanding what's at stake here. The goal, for her, the other candidates, and the vast majority of Americans who understand the danger a 2nd Trump term represents, is not to get our candidate of choice handed the nomination. The goal is, and most be, to remove Trump from office. The way to make sure that happens is, during the primary, to explain why the candidate we like is good — not why the others are bad. And then, whoever the nominee may be, to turn out en masse and vote for that person. Do that, Trump loses. Fail to do that, Trump wins, and we effectively become a dictatorship. The end.
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It appears that Warren thought she could co-opt Sanders and consolidate the left by being Bernie without the Socialist baggage, the more electable progressive. Instead she got the worst of both worlds, losing what could have been populist anti-corruption moderates by hewing to the party line, and now taking nothing from Bernie.
But she is still the only progressive alternative to Bernie, whose backers will stay home if he's not the nominee, unless, possibly the only other progressive gets the nod.
A brokered convention is not at odds with democracy.
Maybe the New York Times should run a story on who are actually being elected as delegates and how much sway the candidates would have after the first ballot.
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What should Warren do next if she fails to capture the nomination? Remain a smart US Senator with good ideas and well thought out policy positions. Continue as a strong role model for women. Be the face of an inclusive Democratic Party. After all, a Democratic in the White House can only make big structural changes if we take the Senate and keep the House.
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There's no reason to associate Elizabeth Warren's low numbers with some strict adherence to moral code (which seems to imply it is hers alone). For me, two events changed my mind about her candidacy: 1) The "Pocahontas" fiasco: she revealed a total inability to fight Trump, he made mince meat out of her over nothing - and what quality does the Democratic nominee need more than that? 2) Her attitude toward Bernie Sanders was a turn off, and the opposite of what this article suggests. And finally, it hasn't helped that she has focused on identity politics and marginal issues that won't help her get more votes. I really like Elizabeth, I just think her abilities are better suited to Congressional leadership, and not the presidency.
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The Democratic Party establishment leaders are once again demonstrating that they are out of touch with modern electoral politics. Since Bernie Sanders’s surprisingly successful 2016 run, the Democratic establishment has attempted to downplay, ignore, circumvent, and oppose the liberal renaissance that Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and others have triggered. It does not take a nuclear physicist to know that the energy in the Democratic Party has been with the economic populists for the past few years. Do these people read? Reaganomics is over! It has ruined our economy for the majority of Americans in the middle and lower working classes. I knew the candidacy of their dream candidate Former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper would quickly fail. It was also obvious to any objective observer that coronating a badly deteriorating Joe Biden was a huge mistake given the awesome moderate candidates that were available. The good news is that the establishment still has available to them a candidate who could satisfy both liberals and moderates: Elizabeth Warren. But they appear ready to pass on her too. In the end, it will not matter because Bernie should win the Presidency anyway if he remains healthy. I just hope he chooses Warren for Vice President. As a progressive, I oppose the moderate establishment. It just pains me to see these smart people bungle the game so badly.
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The weakness for both Sanders and Warren is the wealth tax proposal. Warren proposes a 6% tax on billionaires, while Sanders proposes an 8% top rate. Such taxes would probably require a constitutional amendment and even if that happened would face a stiff political battle, making such a tax improbable.
Sanders and Warren use this tax to pay for universal health care at least on paper. Voters have a right to be skeptical.
The US should try to achieve universal health care, but it will take time. The fact that Democrats shove under the rug is that continued illegal immigration puts a strain on our existing health services and undercuts any long term plans for universal care.
This is simply a function of the fact that the US has finite resources. When it spends those resources on illegal immigrants, it has less available to help America's own poor, including the growing ranks of homeless in the US.
Americans don't like to face unpleasant facts, and politicians find ways of persuading voters they will accomplish what they want even when it is impossible.
But if Sanders or Warren were elected, they would be confronted with reality. Would they blame Republicans as efforts to achieve universal health care for lack of resources?
We know where that path leads. More disillusionment. More fuel for Trump clones who will run in 2024. Another step towards dissolution of democracy.
Mike Bloomberg buys us a little time. It gives us another four years to confront reality.
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She s needed to dilute the left wing vote for Sanders. Otherwise, I think we are all tired of her excitement and plans for everything. Everyone has a plan until reality strikes.
If it comes down to a brokered election where Sanders has a small lead over Mayor Pete with Amy or Mike in third, I could see where she could be chosen as a compromise candidate.
Fortunately, the Democratic voters are rejecting Warren. While in the Senate, she used every trick to get her way and undoubtedly would take Trump's lead and use existing regulations and a far-reaching view of Presidential powers to implement far-left policies. She demonstrably hates capitalism and brings no balance to her policies. It's time for voters to find the centrist that can win. If Klobuchar could raise money, she would be formidable. Bloomberg seems the clear choice.
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I share a few of the same political positions evolution with Senator Warren. I grew up in a Republican household - Eisenhower Republicans. But in my field, I realized that as an issues voter, I was consistently voting Democratic. Then I saw firsthand the racist, discriminatory and power-mad party at work and directly suffered harm as a result. I officially switched parties and had the joy of finding my absentee ballot floating in a drainage ditch - the day after an election.
Senator Warren is the first presidential candidate I'm enthusiastically supporting. I have the privilege of voting for her in the primary.
However, I hope she becomes insistent on getting adequate media coverage, speaking time at debates, and support and endorsements from fellow ethical and oath of office respecting members of Congress.
And I hope she hammers away at her anti-corruption and government restoration agenda. That resonates. She never need utter the name Trump to let everyone know just who she's including in holding Trump administration officials accountable for their criminality.
Finally, I'll add that Elizabeth Warren is no more a radical lefty than Dwight D. Eisenhower, he of building nationwide highway systems, infrastructure and affordable higher education in the state and community colleges systems.
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I support Elizabeth Warren for President of the United States. A President who would work for the People, who would make us proud.
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If you actually track and analyze her polling since her surrogates accused Sanders, her campaign has further collapsed. She lost support, plain & simple. It's ok to write that. It's hard to see her as a unifier compared to Klobuchar. Biden and Warren need to exit the race, if they truly care and their caring is authentic, for the good of the party and the country.
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Many years ago, I used to like Elizabeth Warren, believed her story of being part Native American and thought she'd be the new Hillary Clinton. However, her credibility cratered when it turned out she had almost no measurable Native American ancestry, on which she banked her admission to Harvard Law, her career at the university and her political career.
Since becoming a candidate last year, she has told so many untruths, tried to outdo Sanders on far-left talking points and came off a shrill and desperate. Her standing dropped from third in Iowa to fourth in N.H. Would she fare any better in Nevada or South Carolina? Her poor showing in N.H. is really her death knell in the race, as it appears some of her former supporters turned to the more consistent Klobuchar as their favorite female candidate.
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The demise of Warren's campaign is not inevitable but it does reinforce my fear that the person who wins the nomination is not the same person who can unify a diverse Democratic constituency and defeat Trump in the general election. The NYT has it exactly backwards: Sanders cannot win the nomination (the number of moderates currently split between three candidates exceeds Sanders's plurality, even if he were to miraculously absorb all Warren supporters) but Sanders can defeat Trump in the general--something no centrist can do. Warren can also beat Trump but for reasons not entirely clear to me Iowans and New Hampshirites were unimpressed. I'm still hoping that Warren can recover on Super Tuesday but progressives are clearly coalescing around Sanders and moderates are characteristically indecisive and seem to have bought wholesale the NYT's out-of-touch view that only a Clinton Democrat, like Buttigieg or Klobuchar can win the electoral college. A large percentage of voters want substantial change and if the Democrats offer up a faint-hearted moderate, these voters will either stay home or stick with Trump. .Iowa and NH have failed us in passing over Warren. Warren is the only candidate that can galvanize Sanders supporters (including Rust Belt voters who will vote for Trump if neither Sanders nor Warren is the nominee), and the soccer moms in the Virginia suburbs.
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Warren is not going after Bernie aggressively anymore because she’s a top VP pick for him, perhaps only rivaled by Stacey Abrams.
Bernie’s VP will be empowered given the limits at his age and with great prospects, not necessarily in a morbid way.
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I'm so tired of the way that Elizabeth Warren gets treated by the media, and in turn, by the public. She took all the political heat for how to pay for Medicare for All, while Bernie demurred. She got third place in IA, as if IA were somehow representative of the nation as a whole, and then suddenly she was written off and given reduced time at the debate, which in turn affected the media perception before the NH primary. Can the media please stop rushing this process and reading tea leaves just a few weeks in? Can you please stop holding Warren to a ridiculously high standard that doesn't seem to apply to any other candidate (i.e, where was the NYTimes story claiming Amy Klobuchar should drop out because she was 5th in IA?)? With this kind of "journalism," you're actually creating the outcome that you claim to just be reporting about. Stop it. There's still plenty of time for Warren to make her case and see what other states think of her candidacy.
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The difference between Warren and Sanders is that Bernie views the Democratic Party as an enemy whereas Elizabeth knows the only enemy is Trump.
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She deviated from her strength, viz., her ability to navigate in Washington politics as evidenced in establishing CFPB. The ground reality is different from on stage dog and pony show. I win you loose. Period. No point of hitting bush around in politics.
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Right about now, Warren must be envious of Andrew Yang. Although Yang bows out of the race, his message has always been spot-on and resonated with so many voters. (I suspect a lot of those who might have otherwise voted for Yang chose other candidates due to the "electability" factor that people thought an asian dude can't win in general election, no matter what.) And so, he lost the NH primary, yet people still love him and his message and beg him to come back.
As to Warren, she started out proclaiming her support of capitalism, her message of leveling the playfield (for the little guys) is reasonable. But then, she's decided to go after Sanders' crowd and embraced the socialist message, cue in M4A. Unfortunately, she's the johnny-come-lately, and Sanders held his fort (well, he's held it for decades now). Unable to pull back (lest she's labeled a flipflop), she pushed all her chips on the M4A table, only to get attacked in her flank by Buttigieg. Her getting personal with Buttigieg, and then Sanders, only made her look petty, without gaining any grounds from either of the guy's position. Meantime, she looked further and further into far-left that she couldn't find her way back to the middle. Is there any wonder why NH voters abandoned her?
Warren thought "I have a plan [for everything]" is a winning strategy. As the saying goes, when everything is important, then nothing is. That's how I feel about Warren's agenda.
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Elizabeth Warren can still win the nomination. However, the democratic base is going for Bernie Sanders
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After a disappointing fourth place finish in her neighboring state, Elizabeth Warren is now essentially eliminated from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. Her embrace of Medicare for All and thus her inability to separate herself from the shadow of Bernie Sanders have spelled the end of her campaign. Sanders is now the progressive candidate facing a muddled middle occupied by the surprising Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar. Whether Joe Biden will come off of life support in South Carolina is now more uncertain.
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@Paul Wortman The outsize influence of Iowa and New Hampshire I think may prove to be false this year, especially when two high spending candidates (Bloomberg and Steyer) have skipped those two states. The huge trove of delegates on SuperTuesday I think will be the real decisive marker. Warren, for example, is currently polling second to Bernie in CA.
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@Paul Wortman:
A bit premature for you to announce someone's "funeral".
Did you forget that Bernie isn't doing so great, in a state he should have swamped clean? In 2016 he obtained almost 80% of votes. This time, he barely squeaked past Buttigieg.
Buttigieg was only 1.6% of votes away from Bernie. They were in a statistical tie -- same as Iowa. So Sanders is barely hanging on, and after having spent so many millions in 2016, and more millions this time, he is tied with a total newcomer.
Does not bode well for Sanders.
Not to mention, his policies and style make him ineluctable in most states. Getting the liberal states is not sufficient to win the presidency. The candidate needs at least a few moderate and red states.
Bernie has zero chance of winning any red or moderate state. And that's before trump embarrasses him through false innuendos, attacks, hatred, fake news, etc.
What if news gets out that Bernie's pacemaker was made in Russia, and the Russian manufacturer informed his cardiovascular surgeon that that model is no longer supported. Even though this is fake news, stories like this will stick -- and harm Bernie. There are too many ways to attack and hurt him.
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@Paul Wortman
NH is almost always wrong in the primaries. NH is not indicative of America. It is 93% white.
She is the best candidate. Bernie doesn't have a chance against Trump. Dems need to back Warren or deal with 4 more years of a Trump dictatorship.
The media is sinking Warren, not voters.
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Please stop predicting who is going to succeed or fail on the results of one mismanaged caucus and one primary in two small, predominantly white and rural, states with low turnout. As Senator Warren says, its a marathon, not a sprint. Like nearly every Democrat in the country (with the possible exception of Bernie Bros), I will vote to elect whoever makes it to the top to unseat the current White House occupant. However, I still think Senator Warren is the real deal and will make an outstanding President. And please, can we have some more attention on the need to change the Senate into something that actually works for the American people?
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@Barbara Harman
New Hampshire is Warren's 'backyard' if she can't win there, there really isn't a path forward. Warren's performance in predominately white states is the sign it's over. Warren's support is predominately white and wealthier. He support among people of color is significantly less than Biden or Sanders. She's only slightly above Klobuchar and Buttigieg is at zero. A lot of Warren's support will likely go toward Klobuchar who has ran a much less problematic campaign.
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@Barbara Harman
Nailed it!
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@Barbara Harman This Sanders supporter would gladly vote for Warren if she wins the nomination. It is too early to in the race to count anyone out. But please, enough with the pejorative "Bernie Bros" nonsense.
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Warren, with all her deep convictions and her record of fighting for economic equality, MUST assert herself more in debates and town halls.
Elizabeth, we need your great plans in the White House. Raise your voice loud and clear; it is only one that's specific on policy and not just nice sounding words and promises.
With Trump's hollow brags about the economy, I was longing to hear Warren push the debate into what a soaring Dow Jones and GDP mean for the working class. To paraphrase Palin, how's the GDP working for you these days. That's a message that would unite all who don't have $50M as well as play up Warren's plan for an economy that works for all of us.
And how about the Times and WAPO reporting on what Warren does, not just speculate on her campaign strategy. It was only the Guardian today that reported Warren is the first and only presidential candidate to call for Barr to resign and to call out the silence of the Republican Senators. This is another message Warren's got to raise her voice for so it isn't only a UK paper that reports on her.
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@citizen vox Agree with all of your comments, but would add two things: 1) modify the Medicare for all to let people who actually have employers smart enough to offer a good plan keep them, and 2), for cryin' out loud, please dress a little more professional more often, rather than looking like casual day at work or going to a private party (and I say this as someone who supported casual business dress Every day of the week at work). Running for president is serious business and unfortunately for many potential voters (though not me), looking "presidential" is important; Buttigeg and Saunders don't wear a tie most of the time because it is comfortable.
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@citizen vox
Her bizarre and mystifying attack on Sanders on mic at a recent debate was inexplicable. That killed her campaign because everyone had seen them as a one two punch. Complete miscalculation on her part.
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@citizen vox
Warren has the worst political instincts to ever surface in such a public manner in recent times.
She is a fraud.
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Senator Warren is my pick to be our next president.
She has called herself a fighter who is willing to fight Wall Street, the banks, Republicans who want to gut the middle class and make huge cuts to Medicare, Medicade, and Social Security, but the one group of people she doesn't want to fight with is the group of Democrats running to get the job she wants.
In sports, you do everything you can to defeat your opponents and when everything is said and done you shake hands and congratulate each other on a tough game or fight.
Running for president isn't the debate team. Running for president is like MMA or boxing for the world championship belt. If you don't have the skills or the will to defeat your opponents at almost any and all costs, get out of the ring.
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in then nose and Elizabeth Warren just got a standing 8 count...Let's see what she has left.
I hope she can find the ability to survive this round and make a comeback.
We are about to find out.
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@Magan The NYT being a temple of woksterism, they are blind to what really took down the Warren campaign. The whole thing about did she attack too much or not enough is a red herring, and also a serious disservice to a woman candidate.
Her campaign went down because of the judgment she showed under pressure (see my comment below). There was nothing inherently wrong with refraining from attacks on the other candidates.
Note that Kamala Harris endorsed forced busing in public schools, and shortly after her campaign blew away like an autumn leaf. Kirsten Gillibrand positioned herself as the wokescold lecturing about white privilege, and soon disappeared. Evidence abounds that wokesterism does not win many votes, even with the voters supposedly being pandered to.
Warren went down because she could only hear the noisy activists within earshot, and jumped to their every demand, meanwhile lacking the gravitas and leadership savvy to understand what actually matters to the broader voting public.
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@Sourpuss
Ahh.....and so your take explains Buttigieg?
I don't see it.
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@Magan I am admittedly not a political junkie, and may be engaging in confirmation bias or arguing from thin evidence (and wouldn't watch a debate unless bound with my eyes pried open like the guy in Clockwork Orange). But as I recall, the woke police made a feeble attempt to cancel Buttigeig because he once said "all lives matter," and now his campaign is thriving. He has also gestured toward religion and been restrained on culture war topics, or at least managed to segment his messages carefully so the right audiences hear the right things.
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I've read a lot of comments here and aside from the usual "shrill" kind of critique from male-handled commenters, it looks Warren is held to a much higher standard of excellence on all levels than any of the other candidates: speech, movement, expression, gesture, wardrobe, perceived slams, perceived flipflops, intellect, experience, achievement...
Now rate the others, especially for negative comments, and she's near the bottom.
Somehow she seems to being out the worst in voters but it would be hard to fault anything she's said or done, content-wise, that is.
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@Gypsy Mandelbaum Your comment exactly proves that female candidates never take any responsibility for any actions or words that come out of their mouths. It is always someone else fault for their failings. Blame the nearest men, thing, ether, whatever !
One lost in 2016 due to that and still going on tours with the bickering and blame game helped by her female groupies in the media.
Perhaps, a little introspection, realization and an attempt to come down from that high horse and meet the public at the ground level and be human would help !
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@Gypsy Mandelbaum
She's not held to any higher standard than anyone else. She is just not a likeable politician..
You can disdain and dismiss men all you like but they make up half the electorate and they vote.
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@Asher, "likeable"? You're basically demonstrating what the poster was complaining about.
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I am really sad that Elizabeth Warren may not get the Democratic nomination. I thought she had an excellent chance to be the first woman President of the United States.
Her mistake was when she began to rise in polls, she became a little too elated. The Time Magazine Headline, "I Have a Plan for That" added to it. She dispatched John Delaney who opted ONLY for adding a public option to cover everyone, "If you can't fight for such things, what's the point in taking the trouble to run for president?" (That retort visibly stunned Delaney and finishing off his candidacy. I thought he was the best candidate to beat Trump, by seeing Joe Biden's weaknesses)
Furthermore, she should have said her wealth-tax was only a "goal," if she could achieve that after and if she won and explained what all things we could achieve with that. Medicare-for-All also should have been a goal. Like others, she would start with a public option. She should have talked about the difficulty in passing legislations, hence her plans are just goals towards which she would "fight" for. That wouldn't alienate people.
Yet another factor is that, she's too nervous, while speaking, she audibly gasps for breath after every few syllables; hope it isn't from a heart issue.
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The night of Iowa's Caucus, the first thing Warren did in her speech was to thank her volunteers for all their hard work and dedication, especially the group of volunteers who provided free babysitting services for families with small children, so the families can participate in caucuses. The night of NH's primary, the first thing she did was congratulating her Dem competitors especially Amy K. for her wonderful performance. Then, she spent another hour taking selfies with her supporters until most of them left.
I firmly believe that a leader's true strength and character is not measured by how she carries herself when everything is smooth sailing. Rather, it's demonstrated by her grace and confidence towards her competitors in a time of temporary defeat, as well as her consistent openness and respect for her supporters at all times. I'm so proud to be her supporter.
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The Warren juggernaut looks a lot less formidable in February than it did in say November or December 2019.
Warren raised a lot of money She spent a lot of time and resources trying to build organizations in many states. Organizations win these contest. The results of two tiny states should not be enough to push these efforts off the rails. Super Tuesday will tell a great deal about whether her efforts were effective.
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I have been all in for Elizabeth Warren since her first run for office. People familiar with her background - her research, her advocacy before she ran for office, her role in overseeing TARP, her conceiving and bringing to fruition the CFPB - know that she brings a great deal of knowledge and thoughtfulness to her plans. It was clear there would be a lot of push back but I was looking forward to seeing her engage with those who disagreed with her, as she had done so well in the past. In this campaign, she has focused almost exclusively at reaching the people who she believes will benefit most from her programs, and displaying little concern about any criticisms from the people she views as "the weatlhy and the well connected". She has tried to excite people about the possibilities she believes she can open up, but in the process of positioning herself as a populist candidate - possibly to counter the Sanders claim that all her voters were well educated elites - she missed the opportunity to distinguish herself as a more savvy and strategic progressive. She made clear she was a champion of the underdog and the marginalized, to those who need help getting healthcare or relief from student loans, but didn't speak to the doubters or the skeptics, pointing to the needs she was addressing as if her solutions were self-evident. Her plans are detailed, well laid out, but that does not come across in her speeches.
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Like many others, I began as an enthusiastic supporter of Senator Warren. I watched her take down of the CEO and Chairman of Wells Fargo. She looked radiant and authoritative. Her myriad of plans became an encyclopedia of many important domestic issues. But then as she touted Medicare For All, an increase in Social Security, benefits, abolishing student debt, free college etc., her "ideas" were defined by their cost as well as what seemed like pandering to students, seniors, and their families. And what was particularly in excusable was her refusal to respond to questions as to whether Medicare For All would require tax increases on middle and working class Americans. Senator Sanders had already said it would as what should be obvious to anyone. Senator Warren is a valuable public official and I would hope she would alter her appearance to the Senator who grilled the Wells Fargo banker, expand her arsenal to include a more perceptive and knowledgeable view of international relations, change not so much what she says but how she says it and make herself a candidate for Vice President of the US.
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Warren is an extraordinary person who had already accomplished a great deal for this country before she entered politics. The Consumer Finance Protection Bureau exists today because of Warren. In the Senate, she's persistently leveraged her position to serve interests of Americans who are too often short-changed by their government. She has a gifted teacher's talent for bringing clarity to complex, interrelated issues. She has expertise and experience that make her uniquely well-suited to challenging corporate power and the income inequality that now plagues our society. She makes mistakes, like any politician, but she has the honesty and integrity to confront them head-on, learn from them and continue to move forward. Voters owe it to themselves to consider Warren's candidacy. There's a lot there that could help make this a more just and stronger country.
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I believe Elizabeth Warren is a great American and I admire her very much. Much of her story is truly inspirational. And her voice was loud and influential in the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau after the meltdown in 2008.
However, I think the American people have essentially heard her out and rejected her candidacy. I do not believe she will persist or endure. Not winning neighboring New Hampshire is the death knell for her campaign.
She will have to show more broad-based support in Nevada and South Carolina, but I don't think she has it.
I look for her to redeem her pledge to unite with the nominee and campaign in a crusade to defeat Trump.
She will surely have the last laugh if she can help more women see how much Trump threatens women's rights and self-respect before election day 2020. If so, look for her on the bandstand election eve celebrating the big win Democrats must have no matter who has to carry the water.
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I like Warren. I like Sanders. If you liked Sanders' ideas but wanted them to be anchored in data, Warren was the person to go to, and that's exactly where she drew in many of her followers. Then she decided to follow what all others are doing and bag on Sanders and that's exactly when her numbers started to plummet. I liked Warren. I like Sanders.
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I saw many great candidates at Friday’s debate, which makes it disgraceful that Thomas Friedman’s latest column exhorted his readers to reject the efforts and abilities displayed by them and gravitate to Mr. Bloomburg.
For the record, I will vote for Mayor Bloomberg if he merits it, but he has yet to EARN my vote as the Democratic candidates I saw have been working for.
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@Is I seriously don't understand Friedman's argument that Bloomberg is the candidate who can beat Trump. The Republican base chose a criminal because he pretends to be anti-establishment. If anything, Bloomberg is the epitome of US capitalism, hence, establishment. If there is a candidate who is truly anti-establishment, it is Bernie. If there is a candidate who is capable of drawing in the disaffected Republicans, it is Bernie; they want nothing to do with Bloomberg, Biden, or Buttigieg. If Sanders is out, we're in for another four years of Trump, if not, we're most definitely in for another character like Trump in a few years. This won't end until we have someone who truly is speaking to those who were left behind. Sanders is the only person in this election who can do just that.
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What do you call the allegations against Sanders? If that was not a negative attack what is? The fact is Warren is poor choice and bad fit for President. This just becomes more plain to voters as time passes. I expect her to continue to trail in the polls and in the primaries and then fade out. Setting aside her most glaring faults, she is a technocrat (or at least tries to come across as one maybe that is a fake persona as well). That is not the skill set that is needed in a leader at this point in history.
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@Daphne Maybe they're true. She's a professor known for empirical data about corporations and consumer debt. She can summon more brain power than any other candidate and she's not corrupt. Bernie is Bernie. Same show every time. (I love Bernie.) WYSIWYG. Warren has a far trickier task of balancing an academic career, a political career and being female for a diverse audience. She's a great choice and fit for President and I hope she disappoints your bleak and unexplored expectations.
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I too couldn’t believe this story didn’t mention her ambush of Bernie on the eve of the New Hampshire primary. That and her health care plan that didn’t add up were the reasons she tanked. Certainly not because she refused to take the low road.
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@Gypsy Mandelbaum
A bureaucratic job would be better fit but I would not want her in that role either. I do not trust her with any power.
Elizabeth, yes, it’s early in the process, but after Super Tuesday (Colorado included) you can bail if your position doesn’t change.
Currently we have two Liberal-Liberals. Between you and Bernie, the voters are reminiscent of the DNC snubbing him in 2016. Democrats in their entirety, are fair. It may be Bernie’s chance now.
We know the Dems will narrow to one Moderate and one Liberal; eventually settling on one, probably the Moderate.
So the question remains, which man / which woman?
I say the woman. But hey, I’ve been saying all along...that -only- a woman can beat Trump. I just didn’t think it would be Amy. I thought it would be you.
Anyhow Elizabeth, Massachusetts needs you in the Senate. Bernie or Amy might not be there and we need as much oversight in that branch of government as we can get.
It's Time For A New Senate Major Leader, and her name is Elizabeth Warren.
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Warren came into the race an underdog and fought her way to the top by with a brilliant strategy executed flawlessly. Then she strayed from it and the wheels come off the cart. She had a plan for everything, but wouldn't give the particulars of her most audacious plan, and then when she did, it became obvious that at least one of her plans was built on a dream. She refused to go negative... until she did, and when she did, she alienated a lot of people at the worst possible time. It's too bad, because when she was at her best, she was remarkable.
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Elizabeth Warren is a candidate who is intelligent and has thought through her policy positions. She has said she believes in Capitalism but that it has got out of balance and needs serious re-adjustment as it now only works for the few at the top.This should be obvious:the US has the biggest gap between the very rich and every one else in the western democracies.
She is not a great orator, she is not “jokey” and she is not about making little adjustments around the edges on Health Care, paying for college, child care etc.
In the present toxic political climate she may just be too good.
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This is a competition. Only one person can win and everything else is meaningless. The top three — Sanders, Mayor Pete, and Klobuchar — recognize this. If Warren doesn’t or does but won’t act that it’s getting late, she will be joining the rest of us as spectators.
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@Brad
It's getting late? So far there's been one caucus and one primary vote. Last week, it was Buttigieg, Sanders and Warren. It's weird the way we expect politicians to campaign for over a year, let the press define them for us, and then push to wrap it all up in two or three contests.
Super Tuesday has yet to vote. I plan to vote for Warren here in California, the largest state in the nation with a real potential to impact this race. Why do we act as if two delegate-poor states are somehow equivalent to games one and two of the World Series? They're not. Vote for your candidate of choice! It is FAR too early to start capitulating.
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Exactly!
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Warren, who must now be spoken of in the past tense, came across to me ( I watched her in all the debates) as hectoring, shrill, and off putting.
I am not surprised that she lost big time in Iowa where she was said to have the best ground operation and in NH, next door to Mass.
Unlike Bernie, whom I loathe, she was a weather vane, changing her tune in accordance with polls. At least the Socialist candidate, whose major accomplishment over 30 years was getting a post office renamed, is consistent. He never changes his tune and like any fundamentalist preacher always knows how to wow his groupies.
I will not miss Liz.
I am looking forward to someone who will deliver us from Trump, take back both houses of Congress and get this country back on track.
Mike Bloomberg is the person for this job. He will get it done.
I love his slogan:
Trust in God, but everyone else bring data.
An engineer by training he knows how to identify problems, solve them and keep things moving ahead.
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@Simon Sez You pretty much nailed how a lot of us feel about Warren and Sanders. She's a great senator, but a scold. He's ineffective and unhinged.
I'll vote for the nominee, but it'd be far easier for me to mark my ballot for Bloomberg than Sanders or Warren.
Increasingly, I'm impressed with Senator Klobuchar. If she does well on Super Tuesday, I'm prepared to go door-to-door for her.
@Simon Sez Oh, no! Not hectoring shrill AND off-putting AND must be spoken of in the past tense.
Prithee, SimonS, who really sounds the most hectoring and shrill and off-putting? You have her beat by a mile.
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Shrill?! I guess she should smile more too, eh?
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Any candidate who promises to cancel everyone's private health insurance will lose the all-important Great Lakes States where more than 400 thousand United Auto Workers Union members and retirees live and vote. Amazingly, democratic primary voters seem to have realized this. The UAW and other unions have through painful strikes over the years won generous health care benefits from their employers, and many union members wouldn't vote for a candidate who promises to force them into 'medicare-for-all'.
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This race is far from over. I think Elizabeth Warren is an absolutely fantastic woman and she would make an outstanding President.
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The Democratic party is in for a real reckoning. I thought that was the case after 2016, but apparently we've learned little. Nobody is perfect enough, apparently, to appease the endless list of demands from the blue electorate. The GOP, appealing to autocrat types, saw the wildly flawed and marginally competent Trump, and anointed him God. Guess which approach seems to be prevailing right now.
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All this figuring out and analysis of tactics and how does this message play and how does that message play. What you're really asking is what's the best finagle. Guys, it's simple. Warren has a shrill, thin, phony affect. She isn't pleasant to listen to or think about. She is a lot like Hillary Clinton. Like Clinton, people don't like her.
You don't need political or media analysis. Just get yourselves a good theatre critic.
Donald Trump is good at one thing, being a demagogue. And that's apparently enough to rule the world.
My fellow Democrats, learn from your mistakes.
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Liz Warren fell on Bernie's sword. She took the time to explain what it would take, what it would cost, to achieve Medicare-for-All, and got skewered for it. Thrown off the top of th hill. Bernie? Same ideas, but without details, and with great rock bands. Works much better!
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I care less who the minuscule number of voters in Iowa and NH think should be President than Bloomberg does.
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There have been only 2 races completed (well - 1.9). It is a little bit early to be calling who the Democratic candidate will be.
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All the Democratic candidates should immediately refuse to participate in any more of those nonsensical "debates" in which they simply take pot shots at each other in sound-bite contests that serve only to feed the other side. What a destructive and farcical system! I suggested this a few "debates" ago: Let two candidates at a time sit down with a single moderator and talk about the issues for half an hour. Then two more, then two more, until they've all had a chance to speak for more that 45 seconds and maybe even make some sense. THAT is a debate. But quite honestly, I don't need to hear from any Democratic candidate about their plans. I just need to know who is going to WIN. Show me that person and let's get a move on!
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Neither Warren nor Sanders has shown me any aptitude for executive or leadership roles. Both attack, attack, attack. They both conduct themselves is if they already know everything, have a plan or explanation for everything, and all they will accept from their followers is zealous and unquestioning obedience. In this, they are exactly, precisely like Trump.
The three of them appeal to voters who do not understand that the job of the president is not to fix problems; the president's job is to guide, inspire, and enable others to fix the problems. A president must project values, inspire cooperation, stay out of the way, and be generous with praise for others.
That was Obama's strength. It is Klobuchar's strength, and to a slightly lesser extent, Buttigieg's as well. For whatever reason, Obama was better than Buttigieg at projecting a softened version of his intellect to make himself more relatable. With Pete, it's sometimes clear that the intellect of a Rhodes scholar is struggling mightily to not lose patience.
But for Warren, if you style yourself as a fighter, you have to fight.
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Warren, along with Sanders, are both horrors and neither of them will ever be nominated. My guess is that Bloomberg will be nominated along with Klobuchar. Any other ticket will never win against Trump.
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@Carol They both have terrible records against AA and POC. Look them up.
Warren’s only glaring weakness is her unpopularity with Black Nd Hispanic voters owing in part to her repeated claims of Native American ancestry. A Harvard publication identifying her as the first woman of color on the law faculty does not sit well with real People of Color. Still, Black and Hispanic Democratic voters, like their White counterparts, seem committed to vote blue, no matter who. Some are even defecting from Biden’s sinking ship to billionaire Bloomberg, in spite of his stop-and-frisk policy and related controversial remarks about profiling young minority men, Besides lack of support among People of Color, my only other concern is her ability to handle Trump’s attacks during debates and on the campaign trail. Negative campaigning is effective, sadly, and that’s why candidates engage in it. I’m very sad to think that Senator Warren might be a bit too nice to defeat the Orange Menace, busy punishing those who dared to expose and oppose his high crimes and misdemeanors.
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@Jan Allen Actually Warren is pretty popular with women POC because of her firm standing on pro-choice, and universal pre-K.
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I still think that she's got the right personal traits to win, and I hope she doesn't lose faith. After all, Amy Klobuchar catapulted to the upper tier of candidates just from one outstanding and incredibly well-timed debate performance.
I do think Warren should moderate some policy positions.
Supporting government subsidized abortions for poor women is a political loser, whether it's good public policy or not.
Cancelling student debt, while it does right a huge wrong, also leaves too many people feeling cheated either because it's too late for them to take advantage or because they feel like they are subsidizing someone else's path to success.
Medicare For All. While it's where we need to head, we ideally need to get there in a way that brings people along without taking away whatever security they feel with the current system.
Universal Child Care. The Republicans will paint it as "gifts" to the Democratic base (read: women of color) and will gin up white resentment. However unfair, this is what will happen.
Warren's core message should be about getting the corrupting power of money out of our politics, because that alone is a monstrosity of the problem and without fixing that, nothing else will get done. Period. This is the message she is incredibly well qualified to deliver. And it's a winning message.
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Fantastic candidate. I hope she stays in and remains energized. She can beat Trump if people just get out and vote (and aren't PREVENTED from voting).
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If I must commit the one sin I accuse others of and pretend there is a United States of America, this is what I see.
I don't know whose is the smartest, most intellectual and wisest of Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Bernie Sanders, or Tom Steyer but only Elizabeth Warren dares present her intellectual credentials and her humanity. Elizabeth is brilliant; how can she be so ignorant? America hates wisdom and knowledge; they love empty calories and vegetable starch.
I have lived in red and blue America and starting to educate a nation of true believers is much harder than cleaning Stygian Stables.
Two hours north of Massachusetts we know healthcare, education and welfare are rights that guarantee our future.
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@Montreal Moe
It was 70 years ago that I first encountered the Big Apple and I have watched NYC develop for 70 years. It was a fantasy world for my peers and myself. It was a land of the world's most talented and creative people it was a magnet for the world's best and brightest. Maybe it really is but I am grateful to Donald for pulling the curtain. When your city is simply that big even a fair share of talent seems an abundance of riches. Donald and his NY associates have informed me that NYC is the same shtetl we fled in Europe and red America is the same Russia we were forbidden. I no longer speak the language of the shtetl which is very sad because I did so enjoy the newspaper of record.
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I was surprised at Elizabeth Warren's results/numbers in Iowa and New Hampshire. For all of the hand wringing over how far to the left Bernie Sanders lands, Elizabeth Warren is not far to the left and presents herself as a true "thinker". She could dance circles around Trump. She is quick witted and sharp.
Almost all of Elizabeth Warren's policies match what we are already doing in California. And we have a large surplus. I do not understand the reluctance thus far.
I voted for her and my ballot has been delivered. I would like to hear her talk about how her policies stack against Trump. Trump needs to be discredited other than calling his administration corrupt. The administration certainly is corrupt, but I think the public needs to hear exactly why and what will be done. Warren would be the perfect person to identify all of the areas Trump has abused and tell the public how she would prevent another president from dismantling our democracy as Trump is currently doing.
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It's like one of the NH talking heads pointed out, that Warren is brilliant and would make an excellent POTUS, but she lacks political skill (i.e., timing, charisma, true confidence, how to wield power). Amy Klobuchar has everything Warren lacks. Bill Clinton and Obama had it too, warmth and an easy going confidence. Klobuchar could destroy Trump in a debate without ever raising her voice.
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Senator Warren is better than all other candidates, she's the only one who promised not to lie if she becomes a President. People can't write her off too early.
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Her decline started when she pulled the (hypocritical) "wine cave" stunt with Pete. Whoever attacks Pete ends up suffering and usually leaving. Even her followers were commenting on her facebook wine cave ad that it was beneath her and made her look petty...and it's not too late to pull the ad. Nope, she ignored that and brought it up again and suffered as a result.
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I agree. That was a major misstep that made her look like a gigantic hypocrite at exactly the wrong moment in her campaign.
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@Elizabeth Cole One wine cave infraction compared to the barbs darts spitballs missiles mud balls and slime the others have wielded. Why is Warren held to such an impossible level of speech production and commentary?
This is totally anecdotal, of course, but here in NH we have seen a lot of Elizabeth Warren, and although many people I know really like her and her policies, others tired of what they characterized as her manic behavior. Her voice always seemed raised and soon sounded tired and weak, rather like that of a schoolteacher yelling at a class she couldn't control.
It is totally unfair to criticize style over substance, but after having someone in the White House who is not at all presidential, although she would be a great improvement, some of us were looking for someone calmer.
But to prove how wrong I am, Bernie won in this state! Although added together the calmer Buttigieg and Klobuchar did beat him.
My point is that the fact that she didn't t attack others is certainly not the only reason she did so poorly. In fact when she called Bernie a liar, some of us felt that attack showed poor judgment. To split the party over a conversation that may have just been misconstrued was not a great move.
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I hope Elizabeth persists, the Democratic Party field of candidates, needs her critical mind and years of experience
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She may have said she didn't want to burn down the rest of the party, but her actions/words said otherwise, esp. the way she came at Bernie after that debate about a non-issue of sexism. That is why she faded. Same reason Kamala faded. People have had it with people playing the race/gender/whatever card. Good riddance.
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Now she can head back to the gym with her yoga outfit on (as usual) and forget about the presidency. Bloomberg/Klobuchar are the only two who can beat Trump. Warren and Biden need to drop out of the race.
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We just went through a failed effort to impeach and remove Trump, for acting too much like a king, not a president--and now we think the consummate autocrat Bloomberg, a multibillionaire who has been allowed to buy his way in, will be the answer to our prayers? Can you not see the extreme hypocrisy in this? Let alone the futility?
Moderates need to start getting used to the idea of voting for Bernie. All these fear-based rationales for "anyone but" will be our undoing, in 2020 just as in 2016.
If we really want to win (and I do question if for some party elites that is actually the goal here, and not just keeping their gravy trains on track, at any cost), the party needs to throw support behind its most robust candidate; clearly that's Bernie.
The time has come for all Democrats to embrace their inner liberal! Fear not! We can get through this but it wont be by clinging to nefarious, opportunistic characters like Bloomberg (or Trump for that matter) or to lame ducks like Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, or Klobuchar. .
@reality check Sanders is a horror and if the Democrats nominate him , they are fools. I don't think they will nominate him. Only Bloomberg has a chance at beating Trump. And Klobuchar would be a great V.P.
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“I know there’s only going to be one winner,” Ms. Warren said. “I’m not — I’m not turning away from that. But I am turning away from the idea of seeing each other as if I win, you lose. You know, if you win, I lose.”
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Another reason I continue to support Warren.
I hope something changes and Warren emerges as the nominee. I think she combines the best of progressive priorities and a willingness to find compromises that will move us forward.
And while I hope something changes that leads to Warren becoming the nominee, I also think she is the candidate who will put her ego aside to help elect who ever is the Democrat’s nominee. Yet another reason it should be her.
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I am a suburban woman in the greater Boston area, and I campaigned for Elizabeth Warren (EW) in her first bid for the US Senate when she handily dispatched Scott Brown. But I wrote her office a letter when the Ralph Northam (RN) black face scandal erupted in May 2019. I compared EW's casual linkage of her family history to Cherokee heritage to Northam's black face, and this is why I see it this way.
In both instances, lily white, rich, entitled people were putting on a costume, something that could easily be ignored in day to day white entitled life, but fun to pull out of the closet just for entertainment value. In EW's situation, she has used her family story to interesting effect. It's fun to contribute recipes to a Native American cookbook. But did she ever visit a reservation as a law student, lawyer, teacher, law professor? Did she ever champion Native American students to be welcomed into her law classes, or her select band of interns? While studying bankruptcy did she ever look at the plight of Native American households? For EW, like RN, her inability to see the poseur aspect of celebrating her Cherokee ancestry makes my gorge rise. For her, it's just a costume with no responsibility to pay back to the culture she claims. I'm happy to keep her an intellectual senator from MA. But she is not my candidate for president.
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@Gwendolyn Wong
Please, that should be her “alleged” Cherokee ancestry...
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Or maybe the turning point was when Warren decided to stab her friend Bernie in the back with that sorry appeal to identity politics, showing herself to be as craven as any other detested politician. She didn't have charm to begin with, and that was the nail in the coffin.
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Warren has zero personal appeal. She comes across as an annoyed high school teacher. No one wants to deal with that.
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They are dropping like flies. First, former Governor Patrick. Soon, Senator Warren. The group of Massachusetts favorite sons and daughters, all candidates for President will soon fall to a single candidate: former Governor Bill Weld (Who?).
Maybe we can expect former Senator Kerry to ride in to save the day.
Warren's story is simple. She was initially "the second lefty" next to Bernie Sanders, then she pivoted and moved to the center in a wishy-washy way. Then in the January debate she got down and dirty on Sanders ("You called me a liar"), and she lost the rest of her liberal base without having convinced any centrists. It's a shame, because her resume is strong, but her poll numbers are the result of her very intentional campaign strategy moves.
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What's next? Bloomberg - Warren, please.
I'm thinking Bloomberg may be the nation's best reboot. Ford redux? Recommend if you agree. :)
Umm...anyone remember the wine cave? The problem wasn't that Warren went negative, but that the thrust of the comment was inaccurate.
Errors like that (inc the Cherokee stuff) have left people unsure of who Warren really is. A shame, she has so much real substance -- expertise, ideas, compassion -- but she doesn't really know how to package herself.
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This title is very silly - first the quote is not something people can understand without reading the article; “you lose, I win politics” is not a known concept. Second, it makes it sound like she did something bad - whereas the article is pointing out that she’s campaigned on an idea of unity and not perpetuating petty attacks on opponents like the bad, soulless politics that many Americans hate to see. If this is an article about how playing nice and by your own higher standards could be a fatal flaw in a party primary filled with other people ready and willing to deliver low blows - then the tone of the title is very off-putting. Would love to see the Times stray away from sensationalism via misleading titles, for the sake of accurate and less provocative journalism.
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Oh give me a break. Senator Warren has as slimy a campaign as any. She has attacked Bernie, she she outright lied in response to questions (her son actually did go to private school, she actually did take advantage of her claims to being "native american"), and she has made loads of promises that there is no way she could keep (e.g., forgiving all student loans).
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For crying out loud, NYT, stand apart from others in the media. Only two small states have voted; that signifies next to nothing. Ask your own Nate Silver.
Additionally, stop with reporting this like it’s the playoffs or a boxing match. Be the solution to crummy reporting, not part of the problem.
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Oh come on, nytimes. There’s been two elections in states that barely register in the delegate count. To practically call her a loser at this stage is why readers feel so frustrated with you lately. Most of your articles on candidates left of center continue to be hyperbolic at best and neoliberal hit jobs at worst. Either cut that out or give the moderates and Republicans running as Democrats (ie Buttigeig and Bloomberg) the same cynical treatment.
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Nonsense.
Warren was fully willing to throw Bernie under the bus with her "Bernie said a woman can't win" story.
And she was repeatedly caught lying. About her heritage. About her dad's job. About being fired because she was pregnant. Even about Native American recipes.
She is losing because she's dishonest and plays dirty.
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She needs to go on the warpath if...
Wait. Strike that.
It is time for her to make a Last Stand...
No.
She can't have any reservations about...
Sigh. Never mind.
Bury Her Heart in Nashua and move on. She can trudge along through South Carolina if she chooses, but it will be a Trail of Tears.
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Time to bow out graciously and support Bernie Sanders
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Warren and Sanders are the only candidates for POTUS I am prepared to vote for. My dream scenario is 8 years of Bernie Sanders as POTUS and Elizabeth Warren as VPOTUS followed 8 Years of Elizabeth Warren as POTUS and AOC as VPOTUS!
Frankly I want Bernie's democratic socialism for the USA and Bernie can deliver. This is our main chance for saving this country from becoming a neofascist white nationalist plutocracy.
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How can you trust her?
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Elizabeth Warren was winning until she made two missteps: one, allegedly accusing Sanders of stating in the past that a woman won’t win the Presidency and two, when she publicly confronted Bernie on a live camera at the second to last democratic debate. Whether rightly justified or not to have done those two things; proved in the two recent Caucuses, Iowa and New Hampshire to have been her steady decline and primarily, given that those two states are heavily Bernie liberal centric. She still has a chance and shouldn’t exit just yet.
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@Sospectacular123 She made her first mistake going after Buttigieg with her “whine” caves. A quick search of the internet showed that she herself had held a fundraiser in the kind of cave she was whining about with Buttigieg. She also had made the news by dumping some of the money raised for her Senate campaign, which came from big donors, into her presidential race. She lost a few points on the purity scale for these slip ups.
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I liked Warren, even sent a small donation last year, but she wasn’t my one-and-only. I am now firmly behind Klobuchar. I just don’t see Warren as having the demeanor to take on Trump. She’s a smart woman— but that alone is not enough to win in this country at this time.
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Warren has a vision of a very different country than what we have today. If she gets 25% of what her platform calls for in her first term, we'll be lucky. But a tiny little vision leads to a tiny bit of progress when the climate crisis and ongoing collapse of the environment demand big change.
Warren is a reform capitalist, and that is as moderate as we can afford in times like these. Don't count her out yet.
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There is an old expression that the best laid plans come up short when life intervenes. That to me is Senator Warren's problem. Where others might be comforted when she proclaims that she has a "plan" for everything, I am discomforted by a rigidity that expects events to unfold according to "plan." It is more reassuring to elect a president with widely accepted core values, but the flexibility to adapt to the unknown. Ms. Warren is the wrong person for the job. She had best stay in the job she has.
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I feel the same way about mayor Pete. What’s the old saying know everything and do nothing. 
@Mike
A plan is an outline, a strategy. Most of us make plans in our lives at varying degrees of detail, but that doesn't mean we expect, or even want, to follow them rigidly. The plans reflect the vision. I'd prefer that to someone who tells me they share my values, but can't explain how they might expect to apply them.
I agree with you
Warren’s support started to fade when she mishandled questions about Medicare For All in the debates. She was evasive about raising taxes (while Sanders simply said they will go up). She then backtracked on its implementation to get the moderate vote.
She already had been criticized for being misleading about claiming Native American ancestry.
She tried to pivot away from healthcare to fighting corruption, but the damage was done. People feel she is not consistent or honest (qualities people never question about Sanders).
Ultimately Warren just wasn’t that adept a candidate. Maybe she can mount a comeback. We’ll see soon.
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I was all for Warren until she kept pushing Universal Health care for all. Her inability to pivot from that stance is what turned many people away...
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Combined, moderates won in NH.
Progressives: Sanders 27 % + Warren 10 % = 37%
Moderates: Buttigieg 24 % + Klobuchar 20 % + Biden 9 % = 53 %
Others 10 %.
A Bloomberg + Klobuchar ticket would be strong.
Also, Bloomberg + Harris.
But maybe Biden will catch up.
And will Sanders' backers boycott the election, the way they did in 2016, rather than supporting Clinton?
That is a risk.
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Win or lose, Elizabeth Warren should run a dignified campaign instead of scorched-earth campaign. When the Democrats have their brokered convention, they will be looking for a leader who can unite the party and lead it to victory, not a scorched-earth candidate who has angered many voters and who has limited appeal.
In the meantime you will do just fine, and you will persist in this quest to be the Democratic Party nominee for president.
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"Ms. Warren has more delegates than Ms. Klobuchar or Mr. Biden, she polls higher among nonwhite voters than some rivals, and she maintains an enthusiastic base of supporters and high-profile surrogates."
Let's stop writing the political obituary there. And let things take their course.
There's an assumption throughout this piece, except perhaps in David Axelrod's remarks, that we are not headed toward a brokered convention where a compromise ticket, appealing to both moderates and progressives, will be needed and hard to find if things turn ugly before then, as they are wont to do in long, hard-fought primaries with no clear leader.
Buttigieg and Klobuchar already have been lacing their speeches with set lines that are downright insulting to Sanders' voters; Klobuchar regularly calling progressive positions that are meaningful to a great many so much "noise." That may gain some traction at the moment, but it will not stand them or the party well if the primary season does not generate a clear winner. If Warren sticks to her clean "Unity" position and refrains from taking pot shots of dubious gain at her opponents, she may be in an enviable position come this summer. It's a long shot, but not unthinkable.
In any event, Warren has no call to drop out. She did not invent her policy positions for the run for President. Most are things and outgrowths of things she has fought for all her life. Fighting on the campaign trail, even if one loses, is not a bad place to fight.
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@RRI With 1.5% of the delegates committed, she has one more delegate than Klobuchar (who is is on the ascent) and two more than Biden (who is also dead in the water). Not what you want to hang her hopes on.
I love Senator Warren. She's both my neighbor and my Senator. I would love her to be President, but she's got a great day job and when we flip the Senate, she has a long list of policies to make into law and signed by the 46th President.
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I like Warren. But when she chose to first, play the gender card against Sanders, and second, act aggressive toward him afterwards, she lost my support.
She probably thought, not unreasonably, that she had to do something to get ahead of Sanders for the left lane of the party. But she chose a really bad way to do it.
If Sanders said what she claims, why wait nearly a year to mention it? And then do so in such a transparent attempt to label him somehow as anti-woman? If Sanders said what she claims, he was talking about political strategy, not fitness for the job. It seemed as though she was trying to conflate the two.
Beyond that, Sanders and Warren had been allies, and she stuck a knife in his back on live TV. Not a good look. And not what I'm looking for in a President. And REALLY not what one expects from a "unity candidate."
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@Wolf
Re: "act aggressive toward him afterwards"
It may be that they misunderstood each other in their original conversation. We can't ever know. But in his response to that ill-framed debate question, Bernie did, in fact, imply she was lying, which seemed fairly aggressive on his part.
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Her campaign is over, whether she wants to acknowledge it or not. She should look at what Andrew Yang did and not take more of her followers' money for a losing cause.
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Elizabeth Warren needs to be more honest and clear about who she is first before asking the voters to support her to be president. Warren hasn't been poor or working-class since the 1970's--more than 40 years ago. Since 1980, she's been a professor at some of the most prestigious law schools including Chicago and Harvard. Constantly casting herself as a working-class young mother, and a member of the middle-class was just annoying. She also cast herself as a fighter for the powerless while being a member of the GOP for most of her adult life. There is nothing wrong with coming into political activism later in life or to be an accomplished law professor. However, the way Warren tortured her past to recraft who she is for political purposes alienated those of us who valued authenticity as a test of truth and honesty.
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@UC Graduate
In this country, no matter how much money they have or how many generations their family has had it, many people of means like to talk about working class roots. Politicians especially. Over the years, I've herd some unlikely folks claim a bond of shared experience with those who are poor or struggling. In Warren's case, her family actually did have serious economic troubles when she was a kid; and she built her professional career by gaining the sort of expertise that could be used to redress injustices families like hers have to face. Why so quick to charge her, specifically, with dishonesty? The political landscape is littered with origin stories more deserving of distrust than Warren's.
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I think only Sanders has a chance to win the November election. I think it's getting more excited so far. I voted Trump but will will vote Sanders this time, if It's someone else I will vote Trump again.
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I think Senator Warren is the smartest candidate out there besides Bloomberg but she lost me with forgiving college debt. Her answer to the fellow who asked her about how he played by the rules and saved for his kids college left me cold. Unless college costs and medical costs are controlled, we just can't forgive peoples debts while those who played by the rules pick up the check.
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Just looking back 12 years and taking stock of what's happened to the middle and working classes in relation to the political class, anyone who calls themselves progressive, even if they're capitalist to the bone, must have realized that people not only desperately need change, but also reliability and loyalty from their politicians.
The stunt Warren pulled on her friend, Bernie Sanders, left the opposite impression on voters, whether consciously or not.
In her concession speech last night, it appeared that she handed things off to Amy Klobuchar, a centrist. Why would a progressive do that?
What was Warren's aim with this campaign? I think a lot of people are wondering and running home, to safety.
"I can't believe what you say because I see what you do."
James Baldwin
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By this logic, Warren should immediately drop out of the race so that the voters can focus on other candidates. By one headline, Sanders won NH last night. By another, he doesn't have the support of 75% of primary-voting Democrats (in 2016 he has 60% of the vote of primary-voting Democrats).
If Warren wants a fractured party, stay in the race and keep drawing 10% of the vote from Klobuchar or Buttigieg. Sanders will win the primary with his minority of fervent supporters.
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It is unfortunate, but Warren has been the subject of a dual negative campaigns from Trump and Sanders to drive up her negatives, and that seems to have worked to Sanders’ benefit.
Part of what has me so committed to Warren is precisely this issue
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@Doug K
You’re right on the money. Warren won’t take any tainted as the rest of them do.
The primary process is far too long. It makes no sense that the first two states to vote have such outsize influence on the entire country’s say. But, in any case, let the rest of our nation speak before counting anyone out.
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Warren will not win the nomination because her brand does not sit well in large swaths of the country. She is un-electable outside of New England.
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@Mford
Not true — she’s got lots of support here in IL. Canvassing here in Chicago, I find that over 50 percent of the voters that I talk to support Warren.
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I disagree with the author of this essay. The fact that Warren pleads for unity doesn’t mean she doesn’t play to win. Her problems are two-fold. She finds herself squeezed between the Bernie supporters who also want, in her words, “big structural change,” and the centrist candidates, who seek step-by-step reforms. The other problem is that she has poor judgement. Endorsing Medicare for all and then seeming to back off it in a confusing message. Attacking Sanders about his supposed statement that women couldn’t win was an unnecessary move. Attacking Justice Roberts in the impeachment trail was not smart, since Roberts was the only hope of a way around the Republicans, even if that was a long shot. She is inflexible, uncompromising, and a “my way or the highway” personality that won’t listen to others.
However, I will vote for her if she is the party’s nominee, but now unlikely.
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I'm voting for Warren here in CA, 100%. She's the right choice for America, and blows every other candidate out of the water with her drive, positions, and plans. Bernie has ideas and followers but no coherent plans on how to make his ideas work ("build a movement" is not a plan), Buttigieg has no experience and doesn't stand for anything but nice sounding platitudes about being reasonable, Amy is too "get back to where things were fine". Nope, it's gotta be Warren.
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I think that there is plenty of time for Warren to get back into the race. Keep in mind that only two small states have voted. 98 percent of the delegates are still unassigned! Warren has a deep, strong organizing force and she still has money to spend. It’s really much too early to write her off.
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Senator Warren has left me confused. When she started her campaign, her message was clear and the candidate passionate about the need to root out corruption in government. In the era of Trump, I was sold. Anyone - left,center, or right - interested in the health of democracy would support this call to arms from such an energetic, intelligent, and passionate leader.
Then she started down the road of offering more and more things to the electorate - free college, free health care, reparations - which diluted her message and opened her up to criticism from the center and right. She then veered into identity politics and whining about misogyny from Bernie Sanders - who is a lot of things but not sexist. All in all, she became someone else. Certainly not a unifier.
Last night I thought her speech was once more inspiring and on target, truly a call for good government and the need to unite to address the existential threat of Trump. THERE was Elizabeth Warren the leader I admired.
Now today she’s taking potshots at her competitors - it made my head spin. I don’t know who she is. Shame on her campaign For giving a naturally sunny, smart, natural leader such bad advice.
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@Mrs Ming "veered into identity politics"
"whining about misogyny"
Yikes. Imagine trying to include women, people of color (especially women if color, in Warren's case), queer folks, disabled people, and poor people and being called "divisive" for it. That's what you're doing. That's some thinly veiled bigotry right there.
Yikes.
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@Mrs Ming I missed her "whining about misogyny" and "taking potshots at her competitors," two things she has every right to do, but from which she has wisely, and perhaps to her own political peril, refrained.
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@Mrs Ming I agree wholeheartedly. If she kept tapping that vein cleaning up government corruption and corporate greed (maybe to put it simply, a much more thought and planned out "Drain the Swamp").
A big reason for her recent struggles is that she tried to out-progressive Sanders whose been in that business for decades, so she came off as someone trying to catch up with the leftward shift rather than sticking to her core message.
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I think it is remarkable how fast the USA has gone from "Yes We Can" to, everything is a zero sum game - If you eat a slice of pie, I will starve.
When did the positive outlook, which has defined the USA for so long, slip away?
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Warren is my second choice after Sanders, but I can't help but feel bad for her as her supporters are ditching her in droves. Here we have a woman with real policy knowledge and experience on a national political level, and people are fleeing her campaign to vote for... Pete Buttigieg, the least experienced candidate polling over 1%? Amy Klobuchar, the senator with a problematic prosecutorial record and a reputation for mistreating her employees? Surely Warren deserves better than this.
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President Trump called it exactly right in his tweet. She’s looking for an exit but can’t seem to find it.
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I admire Elizabeth Warren tremendously. However when I hear someone say they reject They win I lose politics, then I get angry. We have a winner take all system, period. You lose and your opponent wins. You do really well but not well enough you get nothing, you have zero power. Ask Hillary Clinton about that. While you get to go on the talk shows and make smart comments, your opponent is running the government!
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I am interested to see what happens in South Carolina, where 30% of the population is Black and Mayor Pete (with his negligible Black support) could very well come in fourth place or lower. I hope Warren and Klobuchar stay in through Super Tuesday. I like most of the candidates. And If Warren does drop out, she’ll simply go back to being a reliably excellent Senator. We can’t have enough of those.
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I think there are aspects of Warren's politics and demeanor make it unlikely that she'd win the presidency, even under ideal circumstances.
That said, she is one of the great Senators of our time, and it's an absolute shame that she receives such little media attention when the media made Trump what he is the moment he glided down his golden escalator.
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Warren, along with Biden and Klobuchar, should stick out out through the Super Tuesday primaries.
Its less than a month, but a lot can happen by then.
If you're still in spots 3-5 and not close to the front runners, then bail and let the two front runners duke it out.
Once the nominee is set in stone, then push for that nominee.
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Seriously-- "What Comes Next"? New Hampshire has less than 1/30th of the voters in CA. We vote in slightly less than three weeks. And we are but one of many States still to vote. What's frustrating is the NYTimes and other prominent media sources constant off balance rush to judgement.
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Perhaps Attacking your opponents is the right way to win support. Perhaps we are not ready for a person of such integrity. Perhaps we never will be.
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Warren lost me when she refused to answer how she would pay for her healthcare plans.
The Democratic Party lost my vote when every candidate raised their hand in support of decriminalizing illegal immigration and providing free health-care to illegal immigrants.
No thank you. Trump will be re-elected.
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Warren and Sanders are principled people with deeply held values and a real desire for economic equality and justice.
I am truly baffled as to why Senator Warren launched the attack on Sanders over an event that transpired a year ago. I was deeply disturbed to see this progressive coalition composed of these two tireless warriors fall apart.
What's more, why did she sidle up to Klobuchar, whose record as a prosecutor will not bear up under scrutiny in the future. As a female, I really didn't appreciate this at all.
Klobuchar is the flavor of the month. She will be another in a long line of middling losers like Dukakis, Kerry, Gore and Hillary.
Buttigieg lacks experience and in these fraught times, yes, experience matters very much. I don't see much of substance here. Another flavor of the month and when the going gets tough, he will disappear.
The media alternately casts shade, pillories and then flatters these candidates. These articles coming rapid-fire at us are truly distressing and confusing.
We must keep our heads and vote our values.
Go Bernie, Go Warren.
May the best person win. (And it ain't Billionaire Mike)
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@TM I'm ready to vote for Billionaire Mike. He's honest and so far, no hint of a scandal. Why am I ready to vote for BM? Because of the comments from actual NYC dwellers who lived under him when he was Mayor. Most were positive. His Stop and Frisk policy ended when it was no longer necessary. One or two black NYC citizens wrote and said they liked it. Black people don't like criminal gangs anymore than white people. He wants to leave the world a better place and he has the money to do it and is actually, right now, doing it. Imagine that.
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Elizabeth Warren is Solid. Let's see what happens in more diverse states--if a female lead is what you're looking for-she's a better choice than Klobuchar(Both endorsed by NYT)
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I feel we're about to make a big mistake. Democrats will regret not nominating Elizabeth Warren. I hope we wake up.
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The only reason she has fallen in my mind is because of the incident at the debate when she accused Sanders of sexism, and when he denied it, the CNN reporter ignored his denial. It was a foolish move given Bernie is progressive in the extreme, and it did damage to the "believe women" or "me too" movement, by being reckless. Its no wonder Bernie has surged.
But make no mistake, once either Amy or Pete fall to the wayside, (it will likely be Amy who falls, because Pete is running rings around everyone), the moderate center will coalese and Pete will be propelled to the front easily.
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If this intended to suggest that Sen. Warren should have 'gone negative': the fate of Julian Castro and Kamala Harris, after doing that against Biden, argue against that -- as may Biden's collapse in New Hampshire after his digital ad mocking Buttigieg's downtown renovation with decorative bricks. Democratic voters seem not to be in a mood to forgive blatant personal disparagement of any possible nominee by another -- even if they let pass Buttigieg's less personal 'turn the page' and Klobuchar's riposte of him presenting himself as a 'cool new thing'.
The NYT, and the rest of the MSM, are like a murder of crows, chasing after the latest (to them) shiny object. I for one wish they would not repeat their irresponsible coverage of elections, but perhaps that's too much to hope for. The primaries are a long game, especially when so many candidates are involved. I wouldn't count Warren out. She is smart, compassionate, experienced. She is not "shiny", but she has depth. I will happily vote for her in the primary, and hope to vote for her in November.
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Stick a fork in her; she's done. Would she make a good president? Probably. Is she going to be the nominee? No. Get over it. Find another candidate to get behind and determine to vote blue no matter who.
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Senator Warren’s humility is pretty refreshing, especially in contrast to You-Know-Who’s constant whining, his victim narrative particularly unbelievable when considering his power...
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I live in LA and have lots of friends in the movie biz. Whenever a movie fails (lots of times), they blame the marketing, the audience, the critics, whatever. No one ever says, "The movie was lousy and nobody liked it." The problem here is the candidate: she's not a good candidate. Just like Joe Biden.
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Someone incredibly smart and principled! Warren 2020!
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I already voted for Warren in my California mail-in ballot. She is my choice.
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Everyone claiming she would make a terrific president has to explain why we should believe that when she's run such a poor campaign. From where I sit, she burned a lot of initial support and good will into the ground, and now looks completely ineffectual.
I would have voted for her in the general, but I'm thrilled I won't have to. I won't *ever* forget her sleazy behavior towards Bernie Sanders - a friend and ally - at the debate.
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Warren has been viscously attacked by two camps who are threatened by her: the cultish Bernie Bros on the left and the corporate democrats on the right.
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What about baseless accusing bernie of saying a woman couldnt be president? That was the dirtiest thing we have seen the entire primary.
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....She's done, Spent.
Time to back out gracefully on your own
or
get your teeth kicked in by someone else...
Your choice.
You lost it when you accused Bernie Sanders of something immaterial, out of context and obviously designed to garnish you a few percentage points. Nothing's worse than a sore loser, bow out gracefully,go home...OH YEAH, and don't forget to endorse and promote the nominee.
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Thank god we have pundits like Goldmacher and Herndon to help steer the national political conversation towards the bloodsport we all demand. How is anyone going to sell newspapers with a "unity candidate?" While others may think it a tad premature to declare Warren "the loser," your fearless journalism will undoubtedly stoke the resentment and fear our electorate wants in 2020. Pulitzer anyone?
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More of the same. The American people have been voting for fluff and fake tough for 50 years - vague lies - Obama, Bush, Clinton (Bill), etc were all narcissists with varying degrees of coincidental good intentions in their presidencies. Why do we elect them? We are just like them. Warren is I fear, too competent, and too real for this failing nation.
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Still early days - I am still rooting for Ms. Warren - whip-smart and just the person we need to take on Trump and his goons . . .
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You sayin' Elizabeth's goin' down 'cause she didn't get no delegates in New Hampshire? Why, heck! We got a heap of 'em down here in Texas to make up for that li'l old state. Just send her down here on Super Tuesday, and we'll see if we can fix her up with a bunch of ours!
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She needs to drop out of the race at this point.
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My sense is that Warren's reluctance to criticize the other Dems comes from the hope that she will be selected as Veep nominee. If one of the men wins the nomination, odds are overwhelming he'll select a woman.
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She should have whacked Klobuchar, who's looking like she's a better choice for Veep after Iowa and NH, especially if Bernie wins the nomination.
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Shrilly accusing Bernie on air of calling her a liar in public did her in, imo. No one wants a(nother) hysteric president.
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She is the best candidate, period. I am not worried. These two states are not representative of the US or the Democratic Party.
The fact that she is not willing to back down on her principles in order to win only makes me support and love her more.
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Although I’m a Trump supporter, I initially found Warren to be an appealing candidate.
Then she appeared on the debate stage.
Her attempts at enthusiasm showed hyperactive skittishness instead. Kate McKinnon from SNL captures this perfectly.
Then Warren took increasingly extreme and, dare I say, weird positions, culminating in her pledge to give a young transgender person veto authority over any Dept. Of Education nominees. Huh??
Just another victim of self-inflicted political wounds.
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@John "hyperactive skittishness'? She's an incredibly smart and energetic individual. Light years different than DJT. I guess if you don't care about humanity and your fellow human, she's not for you.
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You criticize Warren but how would you characterize the presidents style and delivery not to mention his integrity and competence? Look!!!
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@John
Trump says windmills cause cancer, and cadmium, lead, and pesticide contamination in water tables don’t pose health risks, and you think Warren has weird positions?
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When this year's election will cost $1billion, and we have a candidate who wants five and ten bucks and nothing else, how does Warren expect to win?
I love her ideas, but I just can fathom how she can convince the voters that they can be funded.
Bernie is talking the same things he has bundled for the last 20 years. He can't articulate funding either. And his tactics are 20 years old. No wonder he's an independent senator.
Amy and Pete are the moderates with smart political strategies.
But on another note: I think everyone would love to see Warren debate Trump. She would knock him off his block.
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Maybe beside the point, but I don’t understand how the Democrats in New Hampshire can hold a primary in which a Republican can walk in, register just to vote, then unregister as soon as the vote’s cast. What is the reasoning behind that? Will Democrats be able to vote in the Republican Primary? I don’t know how two rigged primaries in a row to start it off is a good process.
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@Patrick - perhaps because the Democrats are trying to grow their party by attracting Republicans? They obviously wont for candidates like Warren, but some of the moderates have crossover appeal.
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@Patrick
That is not "rigged". Anyone can vote in the Primary for the candidate of their choice. I am "unenroled" and switch back and forth all the time in MA. Only a drone would just vote the Party line. What would be the purpose of elections if that was the case?
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@Patrick
Haven’t they let a man who is not a Democrat run in their primary? So, what’s the difference?
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Perhaps she doesn't want to "burn down the party" in pursuit of the nomination, but she hardly seemed reluctant to throw her most direct rival, Sanders, under the bus recently. I imagine he did say what she asserted he said in private, but there was no reason-- other than electoral ambition-- to have made this public. When asked in the debate whether what her staffer had said about Sanders' comment was true, she should have simply replied that it was a private conversation and, moreover, unimportant.
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To say electoral ambition precipitated this is incorrect—she only admitted he said it when pressed (repeatedly) by the media after CNN drudged up the more than year old story, which they’d been sitting on for just as long.
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@Sixofone
She played the gender card, and it didn't work. I find that refreshing. Desperation might eventually lead her back to to claims of being Native American?
@Sixofone She wasn't asked if what her staffer said was true; she was asked what she said in response to Bernie's statement. You can dislike the question, but let's stick to the facts.
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I don't put much stock in these early primaries, and after watching all the candidates over the past year, reading their policies, listening to their debate performances, and analyzing their chances against Trump, I support Warren so whole-heartedly that I'm now a monthly donor to her campaign. of course I'll vote for her.
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@Judy Hill I'm with you! I send money regularly, but I will become a monthly donor too.
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It seems that Sanders and Warren will continue to split votes. This could lead to a split/open convention, which could be a disaster or a godsend.
What has bothered me all along is how much the pundits try to analyze the race as if it were only a war of personalities and strategies. It is also a question of divided loyalties. Every candidate who drops out frees up voters to reconsider the choices. And don't read in so much importance to these changes in preferences because we are all interested in getting the trumpster out of office (preferably to jail). Unfortunately, Liz is started to look less "electable" but this could still change. Biden, however, needs to get out of the way.
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Senator Warren is right to reject the primaries as being for her gain, rather than the party’s. Let’s face it, out of the many contenders we have seen, only one will emerge victorious. And if we want to have a responsible leader, we will have to rally around the ultimate nominee. Ms. Warren is on target.
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I find it odd that Elizabeth Warren postures herself as the unity candidate. I’ve always liked what she stands for, but I vividly recall her attacking fellow candidates during the debates (Buttigieg and Sanders immediately come to mind). I found her attack tactics to be very off-putting, and not at all in line with someone who purports to stand for unity.
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@sunbeam she didn’t attack she disagreed. It can look different coming from a woman.
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@sunbeam I recall several candidates, particularly Mayor Pete, challenging Elizabeth in the earliest debates when she was still considered the front runner (she and Joe Biden withstood the most attacks, her on her proposals and he on his record) in the first few debates. Not sure what "attack tactics" you are referring to, unless defending your position and challenging your opponents are considered such when they come from her but not when they come from others.
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@sunbeam - Meanwhile, Bernie supporters are booing Klobuchar and Buttigieg IN FRONT OF HIM and he's not stopping it. Funny that it's the woman who doesn't stand for unity, though.
This is a nice eulogy for her 2020 campaign but the real reason why she is not doing well isn't because of her positioning, her strategy or the competition - It's because people disagree with her ideas. Since she was the NYT recommended candidate, it's hard for you all to accept this, but the results thus far should be seen as a confirmation that her ideas (and your's) have been rejected.
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@Kev – Who are you talking to?
@Kev You're partly right but it doesn't explain why Sanders is doing well. So it is not just "people disagree with her ideas" since his ideas are largely similar. (I agree he was there first for some of it.) She should be doing at least as well as Sanders or splitting the vote with him.
See Polly's comment below. Warren impressed me for being able to work through the cost of her plans frankly. That scared people off. She also seemed most in touch with the people when she started but the whole thing becomes a dog and pony show. It's crazy... no wonder DJT is POTUS.
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I don't think Warren is rejecting reality so much as we now live in a world of unreality. What matters is not events and ideas; it's what people are saying about them, and what people are saying about those people on twitter, ad nauseam. Reporting doesn't tell us what happened; it presents the opinions of a bunch of talking heads on "both sides" as equally plausible possibilities of what happened and then goes out and interviews a bunch of lay people with no expertise on the subject and presents their opinions and just as good as the experts', without qualification.
Warren is probably the candidate who is MOST in touch with reality. She's the one who actually puts out numbers on how all these huge proposals could really be funded--and then gets lambasted for it, while people with no plans skate by on hype. It's just that the "reality" is that reality doesn't matter anymore. And the Times, and stories like these, are part of the problem. Journalism isn't reporting that the Dems say it's raining and the Republicans say it isn't. It's opening the window and looking outside. And there's precious little of that these days.
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@Polly
Plans are just that...plans.
When they go into the sausage making anything and everything gets changed.
It's the ideas and the bones of the cause that carry it to fruition. Those things you call hype.
THAT is reality.
The best quarterbacks have a plan, but it is the free association that must be done when those plans are changed; which is on every play. The bones of the "plan" still exist, it is the minutia, the externalities, the bargains and negotiations that take place that change the "plan". The goal is what is important. There are many ways to get there.
Thus you had Sanders and others, including Warren, put forth how to's and pay-fors. There were and are lots of ways to pay for M4A. But as Sanders was saying, NOBODY knows how much it will cost or turn out like, after the sausage is made. But the overriding goal, Universal Coverage at an affordable price is still the end game. That Hype.
THAT is reality in our politics/government.
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@Polly "I don't think Warren is rejecting reality so much as we now live in a world of unreality. What matters is not events and ideas; it's what people are saying about them, and what people are saying about those people on twitter, ad nauseam."
Polly, so well said.
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@Dobbys sock
As we scientists like to tell people: no model is correct, but many are useful.
She put numbers to a problem. It won't be absolutely correct, but it's a starting point. She knows that. Anybody who forms an entire government agency, the CFPB, is not a moron.
Not putting any estimates out is like a quarterback saying, hey, no plan, no play, I'm just gonna go out there and wing it everybody, but hey, you know I want a touchdown, right?!
Both Warren and Sanders understand their budgets are estimates. Sorry if Elizabeth Warren doesn't 'hype' the uncertainties to your satisfaction.
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"'I am turning away from the idea of seeing each other as if I win, you lose. You know, if you win, I lose.”
The next day, they won. She lost."
What's your point? That if she'd attacked Sanders &c she'd have done better? If so, you need to provide evidence for it.
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I’m so frustrated to see legitimate analysis like this buried in the middle of pieces on Elizabeth Warren: “Mr. Sanders and Mr. Buttigieg outpaced the fractured field with historically low totals in Iowa and New Hampshire, and Mr. Biden’s campaign is on the ropes. Ms. Warren has more delegates than Ms. Klobuchar or Mr. Biden, she polls higher among nonwhite voters than some rivals, and she maintains an enthusiastic base of supporters and high-profile surrogates.” And yet, in the NYT and other media outlets, her campaign is framed as being in a state of collapse. That is far from the truth, and underscores the ways the media is searching for dramatic twists in the race and playing up centrist concerns about electability. This is a feature of the coverage of Sanders as well, but it’s been extremely pronounced in the coverage of Warren’s campaign; I think irresponsibly so.
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Rationalize all you want, she lost. Get over with it and face reality. Polls and enthusiast supporters don’t count, The ballot box counts. Maybe,just maybe people prefer someone else.
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@Shari Yes -- every word. Thank you!
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@Shari Yes -- every word. Thank you!
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It is early. We have a leviathan snorting for more devastation. Let us recall our true power—dignity—and focus on what can empower ALL people, not on what cuts us into fearful, cowering factions. People, we are so much better than this. Please, let us cast our eyes and hearts toward a true leader, a visionary who can guide us to live into our better selves. Only then will the smoke and mirrors and fear that fogs begin to clear.
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As the field of candidates dwindles, I see a clear path for President Trump to gain his second term.
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Elizabeth Warren is in this for the long haul. She doesn't play the kind of petty horse-race politics that journalists love to foster; while reporters are trying to extinguish her campaign because she's in third with 2% of the primary votes cast, she's unflappably talking about big ideas and bounding to the next town hall. The steady, strategic optimism with which she connects with voters on a grassroots level reminds me of Obama in 2008.
She will make a fantastic President.
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@Stephanie Lee Jackson
Long haul?! Seriously? She's gone by super Tuesday.
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@GMooG I'll still vote for her in CA.
Warren is great, a straight shooter, an intellect but her downfall started when she went up to Sanders to tell him that he accused her of lying on live television. Little did she know that the television cameras were still rolling and that women are held to higher standards than men. Every little word, every little gesture, every little slip at interviews can cost women a great deal while men can resort to name-calling and mocking fellow lawmakers, purple heart veterans and still win.
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@ALN -- Warren is brilliant and capable, but lacks political skill-- demonstrated by her behavior with Sanders and her clumsiness in dealing with problems. Klobuchar has better skills and more charisma, and is held to the same standard.
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Warren walks the talk.
My hope is that other voters will value that as much as I do.
I deeply believe that our path back to democracy and good governance will come only through democratic actions, not a bunch of cheap rhetoric designed to artificially inflame conflicts so that people can make money off of it.
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Warren lost my vote when she refused to shake Bernie’s hand at the debate.
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@Carl Pugh
Yet Trump gained a few million extra votes when he refused to shake a woman’s hand.
Democrats, get into the real world.
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@Carl Pugh, she felt he'd called her a liar. Though why anyone would base their vote for president on this "feud" is beyond me.
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“The one thing you need to know about Elizabeth Warren is that you don’t get from Norman, Oklahoma, to where she is right now and take the journey she took without a steel spine and an indefatigability.”
—DAVID AXELROD
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The way she presents herself is reprehensible to people who earn above average in this country.
Clear cut language on how to provide well paying jobs for ordinary Americans is missing in her lingua.
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Warren's Cherokee fiction should have disqualified her long ago.
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She is trying to keep the party together in order to defeat Trump, and placing that goal ahead of her personal interests. How terrible!
The Republicans gave us somehow who puts his personal interests first. How is that working out for the nation?
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The story of the college student that gave her $3 of her last $6 just shows you how this progressive is waaaaaaay out of touch. Instead Warren should’ve handed her a few bucks. I would’ve if I was there. Taking from those that don’t have is now a new low for progressives.
CAN NOT WAIT TO VOTE FOR MIKE! :)
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We've made it through 1.86 percent of the elected delegates to the convention, and in two of the least representative states. Horserace opinion pieces are are pure Onanism at this point. Most people are just tuning into the race now. Why not put a useful piece about policies at the top of the virtual page?
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I like Warren. At the start of the campaign I supported her. Then she did a number of things that made me question whether she is a reliable progressive. But at this point, that's immaterial. She is clearly not going to be the nominee, and has no path forward in the primaries. If she stays in the race, she just makes it more likely we wind up with a centrist nominee like Buttigieg, which would be a terrible mistake. The 2,000 word memo from her campaign manager, Roger Lau, is effectively an argument for a brokered convention, which would be a disaster and would nearly guarantee Trump's reelection. If she really is a progressive and really wants to get rid of Trump, she needs to suspend her campaign ASAP.
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@Andy Dwyer
Nonsense!
98% of the vote is yet to be cast... and she has "no path forward"?
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@Andy Dwyer And you want us to believe you weren't a Sanders operative from the beginning, right?
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@Andy Dwyer
Cannot disagree more. A campaign is not over after Iowa and New Hampshire!
And questioning whether Warren is a reliable progressive??? Oh, my!
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Headlines like this one don't help.
Elizabeth Warren has been consistently positive. Constantly classy. An inspiration to young girls (and boys) everywhere. She has proven she is effective, she listens and yes, pivots if she needs to. That's a plus, not a demerit! We should want that in a candidate. I applaud her for supporting all the Democrats while also fighting to win. Why shouldn't she?
She is the the candidate everyone says they are searching for. Get out of her way.
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@Myasara Sorry, a wishy washy candidate is a detriment.
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@Myasara I could not agree more. The editorial team endorsed Warren and Klobuchar and yet they are completely ignored when they clearly win a debate, or get this.
Why does this article not pressure Biden to get out based on HIS pitiful Iowa and New Hampshire showing? Why only Warren?
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@Myasara
she listens and yes, pivots if she needs to. That's a plus, not a demerit!
Maybe in your world pivoting is a positive.
Her pivot on Medicare for all took post unfavorable reviews after the initial debate, all of a few days.
I personally would rather back a candidate who has convictions based on years of rumination.
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I like Elizabeth Warren and was disappointed to see that she did poorly in New Hampshire. That said, I think this article misses the point entirely. She BEGAN taking potshots at Sanders and other candidates in the last few months and it backfired. It backfired because it was very off brand for her. She was doing well, leading the poll even, when she was acting above it all.
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@Kevin
True. True. True.
Warren's very specific proposals were her strength, and she moved away from that in December.
Millions are yet to vote, I hope she gets back to her message.
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To me Elizabeth Warren does not seek the presidency because "she alone" can fix it. I think the other candidates do (including Trump). She's been fighting for decades for everyone who is exploited by all kinds of systems. She did it as a lawyer, as an educator, as a committee chair with no power except to write reports each month. Then as a senator. The presidency is another powerful way to fight for those who lack a voice, but it's not the only way to make change. When this whole election is over, even if she loses, Warren will still be fighting for the ideas she stands for now.
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@Jackson
She created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau--that's an accomplishment that exceeds the lifetime accomplishments of most Senators.
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I like Warren’s politics in the whole, and donated multiple times to her campaign. She has done a terrific job of pressing the case against the overprotection of Wall Street financiers and bankers while the ordinary person was hung out to dry.
But her uncritical stance on the problems of massive illegal immigration to me suggests she lost touch with the ordinary, law abiding US citizen.
In sum, if Warren has stuck to economic populism rather than adopting the lefts agenda, she would have had broader appeal, in my view.
Sadly, her campaign is clearly spiraling downward in rapid fashion ....
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Actually Ms. Warren, the voters are just not that into you. Sorry, but the voters can only vote for one candidate.
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@Shamrock
And there is the rub.
Imagine if there were three or four candidates on the ticket from all areas. Especially in the Senate and House. Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Progressive, Independent et al, all in our legislative bodies being required to work together to achieve a majority of votes.
It would be more equitable for everyone. Policy and legislation would have to be based on compromise.
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Senator Warren is the perfect symbol for the new Left: they never understood this is not about being right, this is about winning power.
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I have already casted my vote for Warren, in the California primary, on my mail-in ballot. She is not a life-long politician like Bernie, Joe, Amy and even Pete. Warren is an academician, she studies the facts, she analyzes the data, she proposes solutions, and she is genuinely concerned with income inequality and our current tax policy and economy structure that favor the rich. She is a reformer, not a revolutionist. Her heart is in the right place and she has a brain for solving problems. Career politicians are winning the first two States in the nomination fight. Trump beat a career politician in 2016. The Dems are flocking to career politicians again, not smart.
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@Jackson
You want a plan for reducing the debt? How about rolling back Trump's tax cuts for the very rich, closing the gaping loopholes in corporate taxes that enable major corporations to avoid paying taxes, taxing capital gains at the same rate as ordinary income, and instituting a wealth tax for billionaires? Oh, and maybe we don't need to increase the defense budget yet again.
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@Jean Kolodner
Sounds like she's the perfect cabinet member and advisor. She is a technocrat.
That's a good thing. Presidents desperately need the best and brightest.
She isn't a leader.
She is up against other that have the "it" factor.
"It" being different for everyone of course.
By the by...have you seen this years Morning Consultant Senator Ratings? Take a peak at Senator Warren.
https://morningconsult.com/senator-rankings/
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@Jackson
It's pretty well spelled out on her web site, if you care enough to look.
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She absolutely did not reject negative politics. She is losing precisely because she embraced it in her personal betrayal of a private conversation with Bernie Sanders and she is paying the price because people expected someone of her calibre to know better.
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@Campbell Watson Sorry, but this butthurt from Bernie supporters about Warren's "betrayal" is just ridiculous. Did it ever occur to any of you that Bernie might have said what he said, it got leaked by people who were frustrated that Elizabeth refused to even mention it, and once that happened, she just had to deal with it, and she just couldn't bring herself to lie and pretend it never happened? I see this as yet another example of "the woman is lying/at fault/being conniving", but the guy is "obviously telling the truth". I have absolutely no doubt that Bernie said this because it's something a lot of people were wondering and thinking: America's too sexist to elect a woman, and his response to the outing of his comments and the response from all the supporters who have shunned Warren afterwards just doubles down on the notion that Americans are generally misogynistic.
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@Campbell Watson which sounds like one of the key plans in Sanders’ smear campaign.
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@AW This is exactly what I consider to be mostly likely to have happened
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Warren has the strongest platform, the strongest mind, and the most deeply optimistic message out there. I'm excited to cast my vote for her on Super Tuesday.
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Warren: I'm all in for Medicare for all
Oh wait, Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar are saying Medicare is optional?
Warren: You can keep your insurance plan, I am dropping Medicare for all.
Fickle politicians do not get my support.
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@GP and if that were remotely accurate, you’d have a point
Mostly it was
Sanders: Let’s have Medicare 4 All, as a slogan, but not think about what the transition looks like.
Warren: gee, it’s not realistic to think we can wave a magic wand and do this overnight, so let’s think about how we pause this in, because I am adult who thinks about how things actually work because I actually get things done rather than just giving speeches about it
Of course, people seem to like completely unrealistic slogans over sober analysis, it seems
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@GP I think reasonable compromise or accomodation to others' viewpoints are the descriptors you're looking for.
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@Doug K
Israel was the last modern nation to adopt National Health Care. That policy was enacted in 1995. (25 years ago).
With that enactment, only the USA remained as a high level nation to not have national health care.
Please do not tell me National Health Care is undoable.
The framework is readily adaptable.
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I hate it that tiny little states like Iowa and New Hamshire get to decide the narrative for the next period of time after their primaries/caucuses. The democratic party's so called "democratic" nominating process is a complete and utter farce, and the NYTs and other media outlets are playing right along by publishing articles like this with title such as "Elizabeth Warren Rejected". Let the country decide on the nominee, not two tiny little and insignificant states. Why should a tiny minority of the population decide that, by the time I get to vote in my primary, Warren (or whoever else) might have dropped out. It is just stupid. The democratic party is no better than the republicans in this regard, and by the time the remaining candidates get to the nomination process in the later states, people are dispirited in a way that lingers until November thereby leading to reduced voter turnout, and thereby leading to election losses. Lets fix this!
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@Jon
well said.
a couple of thousand whitebread country people determining the party candidate seems a bit ridiculous.
sort of like the electoral college and the senate... set up to over represent places like that at the expense of the vast majority of the population.
the first primary should be in someplace that matters, like Texas, California, New York or Florida. someplace that contributes the bulk of tax dollars to the federal government.
Maybe to be fair to those low population rural states, we could alternate.
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@Jon Tiny little, highly unrepresentative states. A complete insult to democracy. This must be the last time.
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@Jon
Don't worry. History shows they are not very influential. Bill Clinton lost both. Plenty of winners never became the nominee.
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She’s smart enough to do great things for this country but perhaps falls short in navigating these primaries, unfortunately. It’ll be our loss if she bows out, but our country has been making bad choices for years now - losing her will be very regrettable but no big surprise. It’s less and less likely that our country will ever credibly reach towards the hopes we had for it.
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@Average Joe she, and Sanders, can remain in the senate where they belong...
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Au contraire, she didn't resist calls to attack her opponents. She attacked Bernie Sanders all right in Iowa while pretending not to attack and take the high road. Act Blue immediately got calls from her followers asking for their money back. Meanwhile the media was busy taking her side, skewering Bernie (particularly see CNN's moderator) - but that was when her numbers started tanking.
I read plenty of comments from Warren people after that saying "good bye" to her.
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@Miriam
She also went after Mayor Pete with that "Wine Cave" nonsense, and made herself look petty for no gain.
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@Miriam Those people were never Warren people. They were just Bernie supporters who had drifted to Warren and then fell back. I don't know of any supporters other than Bernie supporters who shoot darts at any other candidates who criticize their saintly man. And who asks ActBlue for their money back? Was there some kind of guarantee when you donated to a campaign?
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Warren's strength has never been in those early states. If you look at the maps of her voters, they have NEVER been located there. Iowa and NH are older. NH is affluent. Both are overwhelmingly WHITE. Let's see how she does in Nevada, South Carolina, and Super Tuesday.
The only thing New Hampshire did was solidify my vote.
I was undecided before yesterday.
Today, I know how I'm voting. In Virginia's Super Tuesday Primary, I am voting for Elizabeth Warren.
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@Dejah ...NH is affluent?...anyway, quite a miserable showing from someone from our neighboring state...
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@Dejah
She has a natural base in Nevada with its relatively high Native American population.
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@Dejah I haven’t decided between Warren and Klobuchar, but I’d be happy with either, neighbor.
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Omg we’ve only had two small states so far. I will likely vote for Warren. I like her substance and her style. Sick of this horse-race coverage from the media.
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Not long ago it looked like Warren had this wrapped up. On reflection, it does seem her campaign had a real tight-wire to walk, trying to pull voters from the moderates (who would prefer the more moderate Pete, Joe, or Amy) and pull voters from Bernie (and if there is one thing we know about Bernie supporters, they are bombproof in their loyalty).
Warren is still my vote but it is looking like a much harder race to win.
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Her statements always sound presidential. Her thinking is always lucid and humane. Her delivery is always direct. She is the single candidate about whom I have not a single doubt. She should be our nominee.
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she gets more shrill and lecturing every time I hear her. that combined with her occasional phony appeal and quivering voice are the reasons why she is slipping. she often seems desperate.
She will not be the nominee.
Her time to run was 2016.
maybe she’ll learn and get another run in 2024.
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@teach
What is humane about seizing people's wealth and private property?
We should be lifting people up, not waging a scapegoat war on the "rich".
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@Ronan is coming for you
There are more people in the US than just Iowa and New Hampshire.
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I have really been inspired by Elizabeth Warren and am very discouraged right now. Bernie Sanders is several steps too far for me, but I find both Klobuchar and Buttigieg to be unimaginative in their approach to big issues such as income inequality and climate change. I will probably switch to Klobuchar, if necessary, for her sheer enthusiasm. She is an intelligent person who speaks clearly to voters and, like Elizabeth Warren and so many other Americans I know, is thoughtful and persistent.
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@NancyLA
Don't get discouraged. It's early yet, and in California you have an opportunity to vote your first choice, not your second.
As another comment here says, Warren will make a great president. She'll have our back when we need it; let's have hers now.
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@NancyLA I don't think Klobuchar is going to outlast Warren in this race. Hopefully, you won't switch if Warren is still on the ballot.
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@NancyLA
Don’t switch — Warren has plenty of time to win this race! Keep in mind that 98 percent of the delegates haven’t been awarded yet, and the Iowa and NH are not very representative of the country as a whole.
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Apparently the professor didn’t know politics is a winner takes all endeavor.
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@Shamrock Apparently you don't know primaries are not a winner take all endeavor.
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People are seeing through her constant pandering and obvious manipulation. The beer in the kitchen was the beginning of the end. It's a travesty. Sanders won't win.
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@James Plus she doesn't know what "Netflix and chill" means. I still cringe.
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@James
That's a plus in my book. She's a grownup.
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Elizabeth Warren will make a great president. I'm looking forward to voting for her.
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@Jill
I plan to vote for Bernie in the primary as he has more support among non-white voters (I am white myself, but I want to beat Trump more than anything else).
That said I will vote for/work for/donate to whomever our eventual nominee is. When the nomination is over we put on our big boy/girl pants and Vote Blue No Matter Who!
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I'm so frustrated by Warren losing momentum. She has the skills to speak and connect like no one else on the debate stage, and I believe she'd do the best job of goading Trump into doing something that looks weak in a debate. I will be content to vote for Sanders, but I hope this slide doesn't continue.
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@sedanchair she didn’t connect with me. “I have a plan.” No idea what all these “ plans” will cost.
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@greatnfi Less than not having a plan.
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@Mark Be ware of those who have a “Plan” for every problem .
Elizabeth Warren's downhill slide immediately followed her attack on Bernie Sanders--for, allegedly, privately admitting he didn't think America would elect a woman.
She is losing because she went negative, not the reverse.
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@MA Dead-on. I didn’t believe the Sanders quote happened the way she portrayed it. And Warren’s on-stage “confrontation” of Sanders, well aware she was still on-mike, was just a bit too calculated.
She’s losing because she went Mean Girl, not because she’s too saintly.
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@MA Her medicare for all plan being widely panned didn't help either. The walkback of it hurt her among both progressives and moderates.
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@MA She didn't go negative. He did.
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Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
There is a double standard for female candidates. All of the women who have run for president this cycle have been punished for "going too far", "playing the gender card", "playing the victim card" etc. Warren got creamed for claiming that Bernie didn't think women could get elected to the highest office in the land.
So now Warren is being called out for NOT criticizing her primary opponents? Yeesh.
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@Cousy A legitimate criticism is "your plan won't work, you've never accomplished anything, you previously supported things that turned out to be big mistakes, you don't have the experience, you're in the pocket of big donors" etc. Attacking somebody for something they allegedly said in a private conversation (which they deny) which was a perfectly harmless thing to say in the first place (it remains an open question as to whether or not a woman CAN be elected president right now) is just complete sleaze.
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@Cousy
Amy beat her soundly. Get used to it.
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@JerseyGirl did she attack him for saying it? My recollection was that this was leaked to the press, and she was point blank asked the question in a debate about whether he had said it. I don't think Bernie supporters would have been any more satisfied if she had just said " I don't want to comment about a private conversation". I think people were just looking for something and they found it.
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Don’t count out Elizabeth Warren just yet. She’s third in delegates (albeit a distant third, but it’s early) and has an anti-corruption message that resonates with Americans of all political persuasion. Especially now.
And as the New York Times Editorial Board noted, she understands how government works.
I understand the attraction of those candidates promising to not shake things up too much and the pie-in-the-sky appeal of their promises to work with Republicans. But if we don’t tackle corruption as a nation first, there’s no guarantee that any of that will get done.
There’s a reason we have a president like Trump – and, as importantly, a reason he can get away with what he is getting away with now. Corruption runs deep in this country, and it needs to be addressed.
Warren has a plan for that. And more.
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@avrds
The NYT editorial board endorsed two women both of whom will fail to get the nomination.
They will not endorse the one person who will win the nomination, defeat Trump and save our party from a hostile left wing takeover.
And, no, I don't mean Biden who is presently on life support in South Carolina.
Mike Bloomberg to the rescue.
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@Simon Sez "Hostile left wing takeover?" I hope you meant "return to New Deal era Democratic politics and alignment with the rest of the world's contemporary democracies behind a Nordic Model for social programs".
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@Simon Sez I'm thinking it should be Bloomberg/klobuchar. Decent person with east coast connections and resources combined with Midwest intelligence, common sense and electoral college advantage.
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