More Than 7,700 Cases of Coronavirus Recorded Worldwide

Chinese officials have confirmed over 7,700 cases of the mysterious illness as foreign governments airlifted their citizens out of Wuhan, the outbreak’s epicenter.

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  1. There will always be something to test us. Our response to this virus is just the latest.

  2. Yesterday Los Angeles TV station KTLA reported that the Wuhan evacuation flight of US citizens was being diverted from Ontario International Airport, California, to March Air Reserve Base near Riverside, California, where most or all passengers are likely to be quarantined for two weeks or possibly longer. It is possible that the diversion to March air base is due to the presence of one or more likely or confirmed cases of coronavirus on the plane. Ontario International airport is heavily used by commercial airlines traveling to and from locations all over the world, whereas March air base has much less traffic and a higher level of internal and external security than Ontario airport does. It is not clear whether March air base currently has appropriate quarantine and medical facilities, and whether they can accommodate over 200 potential patients. Why isn’t the NYT on top of this important story?

  3. @Mon Ray The flight was diverted because people in Ontario objected. March doesn't have the ability to turn down orders. As long as they stay in quarantine for 2 weeks I'm okay with it (I live 5 miles from March!) No confirmed cases on the plane were the reason for the change - just locals in Ontario complaining. But if they DO get sick, will they end up in the local hospital - where my husband is an ICU doctor?? That's what I worry about. But of course we need to bring out people home. That was the right decision.

  4. @Mon Ray "It is possible that the diversion to March air base is due to the presence of one or more likely or confirmed cases of coronavirus on the plane." And this is how the hysteria gets spread. Calm down. I'll wait for news of additional confirmed cases of coronavirus before panicking uselessly. In fact, even then, panicking will accomplish nothing. The only worrisome thing here is a very incompetent federal government that needs to take seriously its duty to contain any potential outbreak.

  5. @Heidi Your husband has probably treated patients with meningitis, HIV, and countless cases of pneumonia caused by various bacteria and viruses. TB is also more contagious than this virus or the flu. I think that medical professionals in Western countries are well-prepared. I am more concerned about developing countries, where medical professionals don't have access to enough disposable supplies, and access to water/soap is not always easy.

  6. What are we doing to help? How is public health, medicine, and pharma mobilizing and responding?

  7. Why have the markets responded to the upside? If this outbreak is halting commerce and the markets are forward looking - why the disconnect?

  8. @Joe A The markets are detached from reality.

  9. Unfortunately this virus can take up to 14 days to have an ill effect on people, which means it can travel widely, undetected. So far it has a 3 percent fatality rate. If a million people come down with the Wuhan virus, that will mean 30,000 fatalities, unless the virus mutates.

  10. British Airways has canceled all flights to and from China due to this Coronavirus outbreak. United Airlines also has done that. Since there is no vaccine available for this illness, at least this is the best measure we can take to prevent the spread of this disease. This is a deadly virus.

  11. My son flew to Beijing on United Airlines yesterday from San Francisco.

  12. @MARY Seriously curious but ... why? I am not a panic prone person, but at this point I don't know why one would travel to Beijing if it were avoidable. Business conversations can be handled via skype, and many tourism opportunities will be unavailable. It just seems an unnecessary risk.

  13. @Susi I suggest all travel to China today is "avoidable" and should be avoided.

  14. NYT should do a thorough report on the coronavirus simulation that health and business experts completed in October 2019 (yes, that was before the December 2019 outbreak in Wuhan). This simulation concluded with a list of things needed to be prepared for a coronavirus outbreak. The public needs to be responsibly informed about the potential dangers of nCoV-2019, and informed about where the USA (and the rest of the world) stand in preparedness.

  15. We need to suspend all flights to and from China. Big business needs to be told tough. Be proactive and we will succeed. Give in to business and the repercussions will ensue.

  16. @DA You do realize that a lot of drugs come from China, and probably a lot of medical equipment too? That a lot of industries that provide vital day-to-day services rely on spare parts made in China? I am not saying I think it's a good thing that it should be so, just that it is so. Never has individualism been so high, but never has human interdependence been so extreme either.

  17. I believe almost all of our Pharmaceuticals are made in China. Some in India and Mexico but mostly in China. And almost all of the raw materials that are used to create these Pharmaceuticals are made in China anyway.

  18. @DA Agreed. I see the previous two replies to your comment addressed pharma imports, which is sidestepping the issue. Pharma drugs produced in China are not related to the risk. People coming from China are. One of the main reasons for the existent of taxpayer funded government is to protect its citizens. This responsibility should not be overridden by financial concern... Ever.

  19. If this is the beginning of an economic crash you need to add Boeing's Max disaster, ongoing natural ones and our utter polarity. Trump will slip on this new bug and we'll ride his shoulders into the mud or bail and start making friends we may all soon need. I would not crash our economic model for a government patronage. If your life was riding on politicians (which a government's made of) your life is at risk. Love

  20. The only upside of this epidemic is the cooperation that is starting to happen. The common threat compels us to realize we are ALL human beings. The PRC needs to realize that the virus cares NOTHING for political dogma.

  21. @APatriot Right after saying that we are all human beings, you felt the need to point out that the whole PRC is apparently less rational than you, an american. That last sentence was completely unnecessary. Rather than spreading more hate and nationalistic propoganda, maybe we should focus on helping those who are sick, and those who are working toward a solution. Why aren't we donating money to provide medical supplies for those in Wuhan the way we donated money to save koalas in Australia?

  22. @Caleb You are reading too much negativity into it dude.

  23. Why is no one talking about the death rate? Does the death rate not follow a similar trajectory as the infection rate.. but delayed by a week perhaps. I have seen numbers yesterday that say 110 dead, 100 "recovered". I found that unsettling. If you look at a delay in the death rate it is hard not to see a very high death rate..

  24. The 1918 Spanish flu had a death rate of 3%, which is what the Wuhan corona virus is approaching in officially released numbers. It may be higher or lower. But, if that death rate is accurate, this is a virus to be reckoned with.

  25. @Andrew -in Wuhan the NYT has reported numerous times that citizens have not been tested for the corona virus despite presenting at hospitals with symptoms begging for help. They have been turned away to return home only to infect elderly family members and small children in their cramped apartments. Without testing, nobody can GUESS at the numbers of folks in Wuhan infected or how many are dying or have died in the past month of this virus, so all bets are off. These percentages are speculative.

  26. It is already clear that nothing other than at least a two week quarantine can clear the people being evacuated from Wuhan, and possibly not even that. They need tone quarantined for two weeks and then tested for the virus by PCR to check viral replication levels, to see if people can remain symptom free but actually be carriers capable of transmitting the virus.

  27. Airlines are limiting flights to China. What about from?

  28. As a New Yorker, I still don't understand why masks are not recommended. Just today, there is an opinion piece in the NYT by a physician who pronounced masks wearers, on an admittedly half empty street in China, "uninformed". Then she goes on to say that masks make sense in crowded areas with high infection rates. So, would a better informed person only don the mask when they arrive at the crowded grocery store? As I understand it, the fewer times you fuss with it the better. So, on the teeming and international streets of NYC, and the sardine can packing on mass transit, why are masks not sensible as cheap insurance? Not to mention that flu is still quite widespread.

  29. I live in a very highly traveled tourist area of Ireland. MANY Asian tourists wear masks while traveling, already. I see it almost every day.

  30. @The F.A.D. surgical masks have larger pores that do not stop viruses from passing through. Rather, they are meant to block larger droplets from coughs or sneezes from spreading into the air, and spreading viruses. Since they also do not seal off the nose and mouth area completely, viruses and particles that are already in the air will enter without any issue. N95 masks on the other hand could do a better job, but they only work if you're wearing it properly (which means it should not be easy to breathe in them). Most people don't wear them correctly, making them pretty much ineffective. The ones who *should* be wearing masks are those who are ill or showing symptoms, since the mask will prevent droplets of mucus or saliva from being dispersed into the air. Just like how doctors wear masks in an operating theatre so that they don't spread anything to the patient they are operating on.

  31. @The F.A.D. Take the lead, wear a mask! I used to live in Manhattan and would not hesitate to do so. Advanced societies like Tokyo, people wear masks all the time and nobody bats and eyelid.

  32. This proves that China would rather save face than save lives.

  33. In the picture of the mask factory, notice that the workers are wearing a different type of mask than the one they are making. The inflexible cup-like mask they are making don't conform to the face very well and are nearly useless for filtering air that you breath in. This picture tells you what type to buy if you are concerned about wearing a mask.

  34. If the cup like mask is an N95 mask, then a properly fitted one is much more protective than the surgical masks they appear to be wearing.

  35. How is the Trump Administration responding to the Coronavirus? Are they placing the same pressure on the CDC to keep the US population from becoming alarmed, just as the Chinese government did in the weeks before the outbreak could no longer be controlled? It is quite possible. Donald Trump has spent the last three years slashing government spending on the very health care institutions that are needed to coordinate rapid responses to these types of epidemics. When you argue for a smaller federal government, and you promote secrecy, this is the logical outcome.

  36. It wont hurt him. If we wind up with a crisis, he will claim that it was the result of bureaucratic incompetence by “Obama hires” and Democratic legislators. He is the master of deflection and finger pointing.

  37. He’ll blame Hillary!

  38. @STSI People living under corrupt governments are, obviously, less likely to trust what the government experts tell them to do when an outbreak like this happens. This was a factor in the spread of the influenza of 1918 (which, as it happens, most likely originated in the mid-west, most definitely didn't originate in Spain).

  39. From reading your interesting article on how bats live with many viruses, it strikes me that in our hyper-allergic, over-excited immune system population, this virus would elicit rather a terrible response. Yes, folks are working on the vaccine, but would it not be better and more sensible to figure out if perhaps antihistamines might work to help people combat this disease? Maybe dim the response just like in bats. Please eat homemade yoghurt, easy enough to make it ( no need to buy any special equipment) and much more friendly lactic acid bacteria to aid gut inflammation. I suspect in the end all our responses come down to the integrity of the gut lining and the gut immune system.

  40. Containment has failed-since the virus can be spread by clinically symptomatic persons via person to person contact or via symptomatic coughs or sneezes producing aerosolized moisture containing an inhalable viral load (the exact mechanism for infection is not yet dispositively understood for cases of transmission) - airport screenings are relatively useless for containment as they only identify people showing clinical symptoms and fail to identify people who are infected but asymptomatic or subclinical in regard to infection. Hence, containment fails so long as airports operate and carry hosts around the globe. At this point, the infection (which thankfully has a relatively low mortality rate but which bears alarming similarities to the Spanish Influenza pandemic of 1918-1920) could of course mutate into a much more virulent form and is a dire risk to elderly and immune system compromised patients or those with COPD or Asthma or other pulmonary disease. The pandemic is by its nature spread like fire and so long as combustible materials exist, contagion is difficult. The race now is to contain the spread long enough for a vaccine to become available for healthcare workers as the risk is that overburdened hospital workers walk off the job as they and their coworkers and families are put at risk. That would cause chaos and open the lid of Pandora's box further - a commercially available vaccine is months if not over a year or more from availability.

  41. The most concerning fact (?) I heard was that the Coronavirus can be spread while people are asymptomatic. If true, this means that allowing passengers, or any exposed person, into the US before they have been properly quarantined will only spread the virus. I think numbers will sharply rise before this thing is contained. Given the very poor and slow response from China and even the US, a pandemic of some kind will eventually happen.

  42. I've been alarmed by all this. But then a friend of mine, who's a nurse, suggested I Google the number of flu deaths in the US for the 2019-20 season so far. I'm not so concerned any more.

  43. GETTING YR FLU SHOT AS WELL AS 2 phnemonia shots is EASY! Most people believe they are immune to it all and laugh about getting immunized. If u EVER had the flu, you will take the availability of the shot in the USA seriously.

  44. @Nick W Instead of looking at the raw numbers, look at the percentage of deaths. Also consider the rate with which this virus is spreading, especially given that whole cities are isolated (millions of people) and everyone is now wearing masks everywhere.

  45. A nurse is not a virologist, and it’s not helpful to do an apples to apples comparison between the flu and the coronavirus at the current stage that it is. Based on the characteristics of this virus it has all the makings of a potentially sustained global pandemic—read what they are writing over at Scientific American.

  46. Over and over again the virus is being reported as "mysterious". This frightens people. It is known and understood as a coronavirus. It's properties are not mysterious. It is, however, new, which is why it is called a novel coronavirus.

  47. @Able Ashcroft Yes, I noticed that here, too. But it's part of the apolitical deterioration of the NYT style sheet. See article--NEWS story, supposedly--on current state of Brexit, with a statement or question about what has changed--and the 'reporter' then wrote "Nothing!" But "mysterious" in re: the coronavirus is pathetic.

  48. @Able Ashcroft This is the first exposure to this new virus. Viruses are known but in a first encounter, important characteristics of a new virus are not known yet - how spread to others, when do symptoms show themselves. how deadly. So, what's the proper response?

  49. @Able Ashcroft Remember that Panic=Profit. Just look at the NYT picks and their selection of information provided about this outbreak. They really prefer the paranoid to the informative because panic makes people come back to seek more information. When this is all set and done it will be no different from SARS and Ebola - a lot of noise but no rain.

  50. I don’t understand why the “professor” finds it concerning that a Japanese tour bus driver contracted the corona virus from a group of tourists from Wuhan. There is nothing magical about Wuhan itself, the issue is the people who live, work, or visit the area. They spread the contagion when they leave China as the Wuhan tour group did in Japan and the Chinese coworker did in Germany. It is past time to isolate China. ALL flights to and from China should be suspended. Anyone attempting to fly to the US from other countries and has been in China at any time in the past month should be screened, and if the visit was within 14 days, said individual should not be allowed aboard a US-bound flight.

  51. @Lynn in DC Americans abroad should definitely be allowed home. Quarantine them as necessary, but abandoning them to whatever is about to happen in China is irresponsible and cruel.

  52. OK ,here comes the xenophobe . Dual citizenship- I'm looking for clarity, Not a fight. What is the obligation of a country to people that travel on a passport of convivence , ( Whoops I meant of their country of birth), and when there is a ,"Dust Up", out pops the US passport and here comes the get out of jail card. Poorly worded question but how does this work?

  53. @mark Answer: Self preservation. You do what you have to to protect yourself.

  54. @mark I have dual nationality and I am keeping it.

  55. @Sarah A reason to control giving out passports, citizenship. Each country is chartering planes to fly their citizens out of China. Not everyone.

  56. About to board the train to Seattle, my daily commute. Also take an additional light rail train downtown plus buses every day. It’s flu season, lots of upper respiratory stuff going around as usual. Should I be worried? I look to the CDC for that answer. Please stay on top of this, NYT. I trust your reporting over our local coverage now.

  57. I'm a little disappointed at the pumped-up rhetoric in this headline. The new virus is no deadlier than any other flu virus, according to the CDC. Fanning the flames of panic is truly not helping the situation, and it's giving hateful people more fodder to foster racism against the Chinese and East Asian communities.

  58. This virus is deadlier than the flu.

  59. Simply wrong on the facts. This CoV is much more lethal than any flu virus in recent memory, possibly due to the lack of preexisting immunity.

  60. @Stephanie The true danger is not known at this time. Plus, the virus mutates and can become far more deadlier. There are no known treatment options. Even if we assume that the virus is not worse than the flu, it is one additional risk factor in ADDITION to the flu. If I point a gun at you and the risk of a bullet is in the chamber is less than the risk of the flu, do you feel safe? Is that an OK risk?

  61. Perhaps I’ve missed it, but I’m saddened by the absence of any discussion of what brought this virus into being in the first place. The scientists appear to agree that the source are “ wild animals “, while the horrific human treatment of these accused wild animals goes unmentioned. How those animals are caught, caged, sold and butchered in those markets might give almost anyone pause and most considerable motivation to insist that the horror is ended, even before a virus erupts to threaten the perpetrators and the innocent alike. I believe responsibility should be placed on both the horrific treatment of animals as well as those people and cultures who practice it, not the animals themselves. We should be ending it, but we are not even talking about it.

  62. Thank you! I’m very tired of the exploitation of animals by humans. China is one of the worst offenders but the US has dirty hands as well. Labs who spend government funds doing egregious things to helpless sentient beings. Maybe we need a rude awakening.

  63. @Robin Kennedy Thank you. My thoughts exactly. The number of pigs killed a while back was disgusting. All you had to do was not breed so many (or any) animals for food, not go into the rainforest for more exotics (this was reported here recently).

  64. @Robin Kennedy I agree with you and I want to add that wild animals ie. bats, mixing with domestic animals in large scale farming, like factory farms also has dangerous potential. We can blame China all we want, but we had better also, take a very close look at farming practices everywhere. Antibiotics will not always work if something breaks out. Animals being raised in close proximity and very large numbers are a ticking time bomb.

  65. News media loves events of catastrophic nature. If the event is not truly catastrophic, at least it might potentially become one. The outbreak is not worse than a seasonal flu, in terms of both infectiousness and fatality rate. Being a new coronavirus strain is the only uncertain factor. Virus mutates all the time. Flu mutates, which is why we need annual shots of flu vaccine. HIV mutates in a stunning speed, which is why we cannot design an effective vaccine yet. But mutated flu is still flu, HIV is still HIV.

  66. @Mary Ellen The page you provided shows that the fatality rate of seasonal flu is 1 in every 10,000 cases, which is obviously wrong (way underestimated). It more sounds like 1 in 10,000 in general population. The CDC gave the number 2.0 per 100,000 population, based on data from the year 2017.

  67. Daily alarmist headlines from The New York Times that feed our anxiety and -in some cases- xenophobia. I prefer to read well-reasoned and balanced opinions such as Ms Rosenthal's in today's NYT: For those who like to be alarmed, here's what the CDC tells us about our own home grown flu: 8,200 – 20,000 estimated flu deaths from October 2019 to January 18, 2020.

  68. @Confucius People keep pointing to the flu number as a retort. It isn't. That figure is based on an estimate of 15,000,000 to 21,000,000 infections. Even taking the high-end death estimate with the low-end infection estimate, the rate of death is barely over one tenth of one percent. With the Coronavirus, it is too early to know exactly where we are headed. But the current death rate tips a bit over two percent. If 15,000,000 are infected, that would be 300,000 deaths. However, of the first 41 victims in this long-incubation virus, almost 15% died. We don't know exactly how that figure will land. What we do know is that it is spreading rapidly. The known infections are over 6,000, almost as many as SARS reached in two years. Given China's lack of testing kits, that is almost certainly a gross underestimate already. Panic? Not helpful. Downplaying? Not helpful.

  69. @bp I think the point about influenza is that there is still a high number of deaths, in spite of there being a vaccine. The population in China is 150 million higher in 2019 compared to 2003 so one would expect the numbers to go higher than SARS. They are also approaching it much differently this time and it is noteworthy that so far there have been no deaths outside of China.

  70. @bp From MacroBusiness [Australia] 29 January: PalimpsestMEMBER January 30, 2020 at 11:19 am Even basic mathematics like taking today’s death total and dividing by yesterday’s infected total gives a number closer to 3%. The issue is that we are using a method for a steady state or mature epidemic (using today’s known totals for death and infection) and mistakenly applying it to an early phase where there is exponential growth. In this current situation the fact that death lags presentation by 3-5 days really matters when assessing mortality rate. The two curves have a similar shape but offset by say 4.7 days. Therefore actual mortality rate looks about 6-8% if figures can be believed. That’s about what one would expect of a dangerous new flu. Something close to the SARS rate.--

  71. The CDC and now Pompeo are playing down this virus. I understand not wanting to cause a panic but this virus is spreading extremely rapidly (a higher Rnot than the common flu strains) and is lethal (people in their thirties do not typically die from the flu). Finally, it has an incubation period of ten to fourteen days (longer than common flu strains). Pompeo and co. will do what they can not to cause damage (temporary) to the economy but the reality is, when it comes to this virus (and viruses to come) better safe than sorry.

  72. "Government scientists in China, the United States and Australia, as well as those working at Johnson & Johnson, Moderna Therapeutics and Inovio Pharmaceuticals are all engaged." When a virus like this hits, it is essential that all hands be on deck, including the government and very much including pharmaceutical companies, such as Johnson and Johnson. A few years ago, there was understandable panic over Ebola cases in the US. Today, effective vaccines and treatments for Ebola are becoming available, in large part due to the efforts of drug companies. With luck and a lot of work, the same thing will happen with the corona virus. But it is worth noting that our pharmaceutical companies are today facing an existential threat: American trial lawyers. For example, multiple billion dollar verdicts have been levied by juries against Johnson and Johnson for baby powder, its alleged role in the opioid epidemic, and its drug risperdal. It takes only a few billion dollar judgments to bankrupt a company. Most of the verdicts are grossly disproportionate, and many, probably most, are based on junk science. During the 1970's and 1980's our out of control liability system threatened the very existence of vaccine availability in the US; only when Congress passed a no-fault liability law at the 11th hour, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, was vaccine availability able to continue. We need to reform tort law in this country, probably through a Federal law, and quickly.

  73. @Alex It is not tort reform needed-but global pharma reform. J&J caused severe harm to opioid patients (eg. fentanyl), and the talc science is far from' junk' as you claim. I had a 50 yr career in the global pharma industry and in fact observed that profit and various management incentives lead to questionable practices. Neither the FDA nor CDC adequately regulate such breeches. Let shareholders hold executives and board directors accountable when financial judgements are levied by juries. After all, money is the only thing the pharma industry responds to. And by the way, as for R&D, pharma long ago gave up on basic scientific research, now relying on NIH and academia to provide the starting points (and intellectual property) for drug and vaccine development. So lets not paint the pharma industry in glowing accolades. Yes, many fine people work in the industry. But problems exist as well.

  74. Any excuse to help corporate American

  75. @Alex Companies that are making billions of products for consumers should be held up to very high standards. If they fail those standards they should be punished.

  76. A lot of people are comparing the Wuhan virus to the common flu strains in the USA. This flu season, for every 560 people that are infected with the common flu there is one death. For the Wuhan virus, currently, for every 46 people that are infected, there is one death.

  77. We can't know yet how many people are going to die - a French specialist talked about four weeks from symptoms onset - and there's no way of telling how many people are infected. I remember hearing a virologist explain that, contrary to common belief, the flu, for example, can take more benign forms. Similarly, this virus may cause pneumonia in some but only mild symptoms in others. I don't see how, at this point, scientists have the data to accurately estimate the mortality rate of this disease.

  78. For all the comparisons against the common flu strains in the US - this season, there were 8,200 deaths from common flu strains in the US. If the same amount of people were infected with the Wuhan virus, assuming the number of deaths reported by China are accurate, the number of deaths would by 266,000.

  79. @Michael Anthony is this a serious comment? you do realize that the common flu has been active much longer and there’s very little effort to contain it? While novel coronavirus is currently at 1 in 50 leads to death. These two diseases are not comparable. Novel coronavirus is also asymptomatic and it’s believed to be contagious in the 14-day incubation period. China has sealed off a region of 52 million people, yet the 6000+ cases trace back to that place. Imagine if they hadn’t banned travel or if people in the region weren’t fervently active in protecting against it. Hand soaps, anti-bacterial and others, hand sanitizers are all sold out. There’s tremendous effort to contain this thing. Meanwhile in America there are people waving their fingers and saying “but the flu” this and that—check the CDC website, flu in US typically kills 1 in 1800 infected. Worldwide I don’t know the numbers. Novel coronavirus has only been on the radar for a matter of weeks. At least acknowledge that it’s worth understanding and stop the whataboutism

  80. Also we really don’t know the number of the infected and the dead since the Chinese government is vastly under reporting. Even with those numbers its citizens are panicking. Take a look at Twitter.

  81. @Izzaball Kam Exactly! That’s why it is pointless that so many people in the US are comparing this disease to common flu strains.

  82. Recommend Elizabeth Rosenthal article in the Times for those wanting something in perspective and rational. Media doing what is often done by them, spreading panic by sensationalizing without responsible education about this disease. Rosenthal points out how simple hand washing, frequently, served her family well while in China doing the SARS outbreak. She also questions the safety of all the face masks we see in the media, since they may themselves have become a source of infection, collecting infected droplets on their surfaces.

  83. @blgreenie nothing to see here...wash your is all good

  84. The number of reported cases has already exceeded those for SARS. China’s NHC says that about 60000 people are under observation to see if they are infected ( yes the number has 4 zeroes). Hand washing is always a great idea but it is clear from examples such as the bus driver in Japan getting infected from driving around Wuhan tourists in Japan that this virus spreads easily through casual contact and that precautions are warranted. The Chinese govt. is taking this much more seriously than SARS and clearly they know a lot more than we do.

  85. In an earlier story by The New York Times on Japan's reaction to the coronavirus the writer cited racism as a motive. Will The New York Times now cite all countries as racist who place travel restrictions based on the coronavirus?

  86. I just don't believe in any information sent by chineses. I mean, let be honest, in a city with 30 millions of people, considering a virus that in ONE BUS infected 3 people, do u really believe that this number of 6k contamined is true? Guys, I think we should be a little be more worried about it, because, as a closed nation, they gave this numbers -that is critical by the way- but far a way from the reality. In my opinion, the number of infected, now, is about 500k (thinking positive) and the number of deaths has already reached 500 hundreds. they're letting us know what they want us to.. but there is a limit of how u can hide the information frow the world.. if im telling the truth, and I really hope I don't, till friday the numer of deaths will have reached at least 300, and infected over 10k.. (official number of Chinese) (all they say, u may double. rs) good luck everyone

  87. This is why publishing fake news is dangerous. Something serious like this happens, and I no longer believe anything NYT publishes because they've shown in recent history that they don't actually care about what's true.

  88. Seal the borders. Clean up the mess. Then go back to being happy. I'm tired of half measures.

  89. So basically avoid Chinese food?

  90. This is the latest in a series of irresponsible headlines totally out of proportion to the threat.

  91. There are four cases of infection in Germany, not one.

  92. As a friend in China who is mostly trapped in her apartment wrote on Chinese social media, after years of being caged by humans, wild animals have used this virus to turn the tables, and have managed to cage a billion people. Payback, I guess.

  93. France, UK, and Australia are among countries quarantining their citizens arriving from Wuhan for 14 days as a precautionary measure. The US is bringing back citizens, diplomats and their families, holding them in quarantine at March military base in SoCal "for a period of time" - no specification that it will be the precautionary 2 weeks incubation period which other countries are taking. Dr Offit, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at UPenn, has stated that since we don't quarantine people for the flu and up to 35,000 people in the US have died from the annual flu, we should not go to extreme measures like quarantining for the corona virus. Offit chooses to ignore some important information. The death rate so far from the corona virus is about 2-3% of those infected. The death rate from the annual flu is about 1/10 of 1%. Sounds to me like some officials are distorting the potential severity of the corona virus. Chinese officials have stated that the corona virus can be spread during the incubation period. US officials say they need to see proof of that. Hello? Wait for proof???? Should it become a pandemic (due to lack of precautionary controls like appropriate quarantines) and infect 45 million people like the annual flu did in 2017-18 season, the death rate at 2% would be 900,000 people, compared to the 35,000 people infected and dying from the annual flu which Offit cites. No brainer. Quarantine. 14 days.

  94. I appreciate the NYTimes coverage of this story, but there is some information that I haven't yet seen: What is happening with people who survive this virus? More specifically, of the 6000+ confirmed cases who have not died, are people recovering and, healthy again, going about their daily lives? Or are they still sick, perhaps getting sicker, and perhaps eventually to be counted among the dead?

  95. @scrim1 you can use the over 70 people that are confirmed cases in non-China countries as a gage. So far no one has died yet and some have them have had symptoms and been quarantine for a week already. Most of the hospitals have said the patients are either doing well or stable. There is one mention severe case of an 80 year old man in France. It's possible that some people may have already recovered from it earlier and didn't realize that they even had it.

  96. @scrim1 Also very curious about this

  97. Just to let you know, the German man from Munich probably caught the Virus from a Woman who came to his company from China to teach a group of employees. She developed Symptoms on the plane on the way back to China.

  98. Today, the BBC news reported that in France, there are overtly racist incidents against All Asian people. Contrast that with America, in Southern California, there is 1 incident of a carrier but no identification of which city that person is in. Perhaps this is to minimize potential stigmatization, but this sort of leadership non victim blaming behavior is typical of American culture. At school, kids are not stigmatized / identified, even if an anti vaccer has pertussis or recently an outbreak of strep throat. Appreciate the difference in cultural tolerance, that is why in Chinese, America is called "beautiful country".

  99. Flying internationally this weekend. I hope Duane Reade has not sold out of surgical masks and hand sanitizer!

  100. They are as are all online pharmacies like CVs, Walgreens etc.

  101. Great article...but, you failed to answer questions about the virus. How is it spread...airborne? Physical contact? Food? Water? What is the best defense? Hand washing? Masks? What is the incubation period? What are the first symptoms? Please...more information. I think the CDC would know the answers. Thanks

  102. We noticed another side effect of the New Year holiday combined with this quarantine of cities and areas in the PRC – the air is much cleaner in Seoul since industries there are idle now!

  103. OK, let's do some math. The population of the US is 327.2 million. According to the CDC, on average, 5% to 20% of the population gets the flu each year. The case mortality rate of the 2019-nCoV (CDC-ese for this virus) is about 2.1%. If this virus were to have a transmission rate similar to that of a typical seasonal flu, this would result in anywhere from about 343,500 to 1,374,200 deaths in the US. In one year. For perspective, from 2010 through 2017 (the most recent year for which the CDC has finalized statistics), seasonal flu has killed an estimated 12,000 to 51,000 people per year in the US. The (much more virulent) 1918-1919 flu is thought to have killed about 500,000 to 750,000 Americans. Wash your hands frequently, stay home from work/school if you are sick, and try not to think about it too much.

  104. you know the governmental health officials are gas lighting when they tout "...even people who are infected who don’t get sick at all..." as a good thing. those infected people who don't get sick at all are busily transmitting the contagion like an army of Typhoid Marys because they were screened and let loose into the population. if a virus pandemic won't kill you the pandemic of willful ignorance surely will.

  105. Many comments here re: ascertaining relative risk from nCoV versus seasonal flu are misguided. I agree that where I live my risk of morbidity & mortality is greater from the seasonal flu because of the "prevalence" of it in my area. However, fatality rates, transmission rates (think exponential fct), incubation periods, & avail. meds & vaccine to treat ARE vastly different between the two. So if nCoV spreads rapidly in US (or mutates significantly) -it's a whole new ballgame. See: for reliable stats. Halting flights from hot zones or quarantines of incoming R ways to mitigate rapid exponential spread until treatments & testing further developed.

  106. Yes, these kinds of viruses can have devastating consequences when bats are eaten and traded in livestock markets and when their territory is invaded. This is how the ebola virus started in Africa. The message here that doesn’t seem to be getting through is to stop hunting, eating and killing bats and just leave them alone. Of course the Chinese will eat anything that walks, crawls, flies or swims.

  107. Apparently, a Chinese National research scientist was accused of stealing coronavirus from an infectious disease lab in Canada in July 2019. This all sounds like paranoid conspiracy theory, but Chinese agents have been caught in various research areas of academia and private industry accessing high level biotech research and development. I’m skeptical that this all started with raw snake meat.

  108. Why are countries bringing back citizens who may have been exposed to the virus ? Why risk their bringing the virus with them ? Why is anyone in China allowed to travel ?

  109. @John Brown They can test for the virus by its DNA so even someone not showing symptoms like a fever will be identified as infected if they in fact are. They are also going to be quarantined again after that screening before they just go on with their lives here. Governments have a responsibility to their citizens and exist for this reason.

  110. @GregP I have no doubt that tens if not hundreds or even thousands of people have traveled around the world since being infected. What evidence do you have that those put on airplanes to come back "home" have been adequately tested and are being quarantined ?

  111. @John Brown It doesn't matter if they bring the virus "home" what matters is if they pass the virus to others. By knowing who they are and where they are and testing them repeatedly; we can actually ensure that they do not infect anybody else. We can isolate them if infected, track down all their contacts (for testing) and all these other effective basic epidemiological interventions. On the other hand if we ban them and they sneak across the border to get home - and hide from any contact with health care authorities (for fear of being discovered) - they could infect a lot of people before they finally give up and surrender to authorities.

  112. CDC clearly corrupt now and negligent for not declaring global emergency. Hope CAnada follows UK and stop all flight from China until the epidemic is stopped. Why isn’t USA stopping flights since they have so many cases and the disease spreads so easily, even without symptoms. It’s easier to stop before it spreads to general population.

  113. @Stephen Gergely Economic fears.

  114. @Stephen Gergely Blame TRUMP.

  115. The CDC judgement has obviously been compromised by politics. The meeting tomorrow, the third this week...will be enlightening on several levels.

  116. Although this virus may be no deadlier than flu, it's a lot more prolific. There is no vaccine. No one in the United States - or anywhere else - has any immunity to it, and once it gets a toehold, it will spread quickly. As someone who is immune compromised, I would ask everyone to please wash your hands thoroughly many times a day. Please cover your cough. Please stay home if you are sick. These are basic steps we can all take to prevent this, and any other corona virus, from spreading.

  117. @Lee Please note that face masks fill two important functions: 1. They generally reduce the number of virus particles one inhales, not by 100%, but by a meaningful amount. 2. Masks also reduce the number of virus particles expelled by infected persons when they cough or sneeze, not by 100% but by a meaningful amount. This is why you see pictures of infected patients wearing masks even in isolation wards, to reduce the chances they will infect others. Thought for the day: If you are sitting on a plane and your seatmate starts sneezing or coughing, put on your own mask and offer your seatmate one, too. Due to the coronavirus outbreak I have started carrying several masks with me when I travel in order to deal with just such eventualities. Oh, and don't forget the personal-size hand sanitizer bottles or packets in case it is not possible to wash your hands frequently.

  118. @Lee. As for covering ones cough: Yes, please. Not just because of this new virus, but it's good basic hygiene and civilized behavior at all times. And, in case it helps: unless one has a large-enough tissue to contain the sneeze or cough, cover the cough with the arm, not the hand! This and most other viruses are primarily spread from people's contaminated hands.

  119. @Lee The flu vaccine from 2019 is NOT effective against a strain this year's flu hatched in CA. Vaccination cuts down but does not eliminate risk. Live healthfully and keep your hands away from your face- nose and eyes!! ALSO wipe down door knobs in public places and computer keyboards along with handwashing and masks... or a scarf across your gace.

  120. Why are people comparing this coronavirus to the flu ? When flu patients appear at my local hospital or doctor's offices, the medical staff does not change into hazmat gear. Are you certain that we are receiving all the information necessary to make an educated assessment here ?

  121. @JaneK At the hospital where I work as a pediatrician, patients who present with respiratory symptoms that could be due to influenza or another respiratory virus are routinely placed in isolation rooms and the staff all wear disposable gowns, gloves and masks while caring for them. This is a long term policy aimed to trying to reduce transmission of the routine respiratory viruses, not something new due to the Wuhan coronavirus.

  122. @JaneK The flu is actually much worse. Influenza has already sickened at least 13 million Americans this winter, hospitalizing 120,000 and killing 6,600, according to the CDC. And flu season hasn’t even peaked. In a bad year, the flu kills up to 61,000 Americans. The flu hits us every year in the USA and we've just gotten used to it. It doesn't make headlines very often. (Think about that all of us who skip the flu shot every year.) I'm not saying that this Wuhan virus isn't a problem. It's a major problem for Wuhan and surrounding areas. It could turn into a worldwide problem but it would be hard pressed to do even a small fraction of the killing that influenza does every year.

  123. @JaneK This coronavirus right now figures at 2.2% fatality rate, so 2,200 per 100K. Just asking, so please don't get mad, but how does that compare to a bad flu year? I understand the sample is much smaller with this C.V.

  124. I have flown into and out of Ontario International Airport many times, and lived near and had friends and family who worked at March Field, to which the evacuation flight originally slated to land at Ontario was diverted. Ontario Intl has been a designated recipient of medical and other evacuees for going on ten years, though this would have been its first such use. One possible reason for diverting the flight to March Field (officially known as March Air Reserve Base) is that it is much easier to control public--and media--access on a US military airfield than it is at a public airport like Ontario.

  125. @Mon Ray more importantly is has facilities to house the more than 200 passengers who will be quarantined for up to two weeks...maybe longer.

  126. The confirmed cases will exploded in the coming days as more testing kits will be at best adequately available in China due to manufacturing limited capacity. Thus, underreporting of infected cases is a given. The countries in the region which are mostly poor and with inadequate health care systems should take drastic measures, due to asymptomatic infections and shortage of testing kits, to limit the spreading of the coronavirus including closing their land borders with China and halt all flights from and to China like the UK has done.

  127. One thing I have not yet seen/heard discussed is the role that smoking has played in potentially weakening the immune systems of those who have died from the coronavirus. As someone who travels to China regularly for work, I can attest to the fact that chain smoking is widespread there. Could an already weakened respiratory and immune system be the nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for those who have died from the virus?

  128. Please note that face masks fill two important functions: 1. They generally reduce the number of virus particles one inhales, not by 100%, but by a meaningful amount. 2. Masks also reduce the number of virus particles expelled by infected persons when they cough or sneeze, not by 100% but by a meaningful amount. This is why you see pictures of infected patients wearing masks even in isolation wards, to reduce the chances they will infect others. Thought for the day: If you are sitting on a plane and your seatmate starts sneezing or coughing, put on your own mask and offer your seatmate one, too. Due to the coronavirus outbreak I have started carrying several masks with me when I travel in order to deal with just such eventualities. Oh, and don't forget the personal-size hand sanitizer bottles or packets in case it is not possible to wash your hands frequently.

  129. @Mon Ray Actually, CDC does not recommend that people who do not have direct exposure to the outbreak area (Wuhan, and other parts of China) wear a mask. The only people who are recommended to wear masks are people exposed directly to the virus and medical workers caring for the ill. It is much more effective to wash your hands. That is the message that we are trying to get across. Wash wash wash and then wash some more. Don't touch your face. Practice good respiratory etiquette: cover your face when you sneeze or cough.

  130. @CB still don't understand why you wouldn't do both. masks are fairly inexpensive and even the disposable surgical ones may have some utility. Wear a mask should in no way preclude handwashing or use of hand sanitizer. Masks may even help with preventing fomite transmission as one is made more conscious about touching one's face.

  131. @Mon Ray I have worn the regular surgical masks from the drug store for three years in the winter, when I go out in public. Have not had a cold in three years. I think they help avoid winter illnesses, in general. I also carry hand wipe packets to use before eating something in public.

  132. It'd be great if NYT has a coverage section specifically on NYC regarding this outbreak, considering it's NYT home city...

  133. As a sidebar, this is where Xi could reall step up and halt all black market selling of pangolins, rhino horn and tigers. It would make him look good to the rest of the world!

  134. Britons coming from Wuhan, quarantined for 14 days, Americans who just arrived in CA, 3 days...

  135. Countries should sign an agreement to prevent the deployment of bioweapons. Not saying this virus is a bio weapon but just in case a country tries to isolate this virus and use it.

  136. The US CDC will surely make recommendations to the president. The administration will make its final statements about what is happening after consulting Fox and Friends.

  137. @Shack LOL LOL, kinda sad if you really think about it....what has US become?

  138. Meanwhile the World Health Organization is twiddling its thumbs and playing politics. People's lives are at stake!!! A health emergency should have been declared a week ago.

  139. A very bad sign: Mike Pompeo said that Americans shouldn't overreact to the corona virus.

  140. As long as governments and organizations consider avoiding 'public panic' and loss of tourism and other business to be more important than safeguarding the health and lives of their citizens, we will continue to respond ineffectively to this and other outbreaks of new illnesses. It is better to over react and damage your economy than to under react and risk the lives of millions. Strangely enough, North Korea is the only country who seems to be getting it right. They closed their borders early. Helps to be an isolated backward brutal dictatorship sometimes. If this gets worse, we might all end up wishing we were ruled by comrade Kim. More than 50 million people died during the Spanish flu.

  141. I feel like the virus is a part of conspiracy. It is possible that it was planned to be Chinese bio weapon and then leaked from lab, or it may be a bio weapon of another country. Nevertheless, China is likely to take a huge loss in her economical and political strength.

  142. @Davlat It's highly improbable that our Administration and/or the CIA would plant a viral bio weapon in a Chinese city to curtail its powerful economic and commercial progress that it's so frightened of. It might use other means such as computer viruses et al, but biological viruses and kill people? No way.

  143. My husband and I are retired and in our mid to late 60s. The minute the Wuhan Coronavirus hits our region we will go into voluntary quarantine so we can stay healthy and avoid obscenely expensive hospital stays during what very well may become a lengthy worldwide pandemic. We will order our groceries online and pick them up at the local supermarket once a week on Tuesdays at 2 am. Other than that, we will stay put inside the house and avoid all contact with other people. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

  144. @Nancy Robertson - I'm your same age and the virus has already hit my area. The first case is about 10-15 miles from me. I am not the slightest bit afraid even though my landlady's mother-in-law works at Sea-Tac where the first case landed. Just picking up your groceries at the market will expose you. I didn't die when I got hit by a truck while riding a bike at age 6. Nor when I had measles, mumps, and chickenpox all while practicing Duck and Cover. I have not died from having HIV for 20 years. I did not die the three different times my heart stopped during grand-mal seizures. Nor from the three suicide attempts due to wrong epilepsy meds. I wasn't eaten by coyotes, black bears, or cougars during my week long solo ventures into the Cascade Mountains. I haven't been shot while waiting for a bus downtown. I don't know about you but I know that someday I'm going to die. Even the Messiah died. The question is - am I going to live first? And I really, truly don't believe that the reason I still breath is to hide in my apartment for the rest of my life in fear of every new virus that pops up on the other side of the planet. What you should really fear is getting into an automobile because that is the number one cause of death in this country. Yet you think nothing of driving to the supermarket at 2 a.m. when the drunks are driving home from the bars? Relax - its not your time yet.

  145. @Nancy Robertson Good for you for having a plan in place, but the luxury of self-imposed quarantine isn’t realistic for much of the country, including the people who will keep groceries on the shelves and pack your pick-up order.

  146. @Beth Undertaking a voluntary self-quarantine isn't just a "luxury." It can lower the infection rate and help ease the skyrocketing demand for hospital beds and medical treatment.

  147. This is the inevitable outcome of human encroachment on nature --the Chinese merely hastened its peripheral impacts. This virus appears rather benign in its mortality rate, in its current form. I fear the day when a virus emerges that can infect 20 people for every 1 carrier and has a kill rate is 30% or higher. If we truly learn from this and act to curtail our invasion of natural space, then it may have been a worthwhile exercise. I fear it is all in vain and the inevitable will remain so.

  148. We also have to remember that viruses mutate and become stronger and harder to overcome. This needs to be contained at all costs.

  149. At the very least, the WHO should declare this a world health emergency. WQhy? Simply because it is better to be safe than sorry. This goes for every single living person on the planet.

  150. @Easy Goer WHO make a press conference tomorrow where they decide to push it up to a world wild medical emercency Alarm or not. They already raised it to High risk worldwide before some Days. What is higher it ever was.

  151. Europe is placing its evacuated citizens in 14-day quarantine. I hope we will be doing the same thing.

  152. Is something missing here ? The death rate increased from 106 to 135 over the last 24 hours, so basic math indicates something like 30% more deaths in 24 hours; presuming we are getting the actual numbers. This thing is about to get very ugly ... I think we need to immediately declare a planet wide crises and start closing borders, unless a proven vaccine is available within the next few days. There will be no economy anywhere, left to salvage, if this thing keeps increasing at a 30% rate.

  153. Most of these viruses usually go away by May or earlier! Let us hope

  154. Why are our elected officials not protecting us? The UK is setting a 14 day quarantine for individuals returning from Wuhan. What is the US doing? 3 days quarantine in one of the most populous states in the country. This is absurd.

  155. More cases than SARS? No surprise if you keep up with information. That was predicted days ago. It's more infectious, less lethal. Besides staying healthy, the challenge we have is to be forever skeptical of scary headlines that are in themselves misleading written by journalists whose interest is to grab our attention and our clicks and less interested in providing a well balanced understanding. Like with current US politics, we readers are better off if we do less reading.

  156. Imagine the global economic consequences if people suspect container ships from China are infected? This is an airborne virus. It gets in your eyes, your nose, etc. from a sneeze or a cough or touching something. We don't know how long it lives on surfaces, what the incubation period is from exposure to symptoms and we don't know if it has already mutated. Who knows if the Chinese government is telling all they know? I'm carrying hand sanitizer, clorox wipes and a mini-bottle of Lysol. Better safe than sorry.

  157. @Erbal a cororna virus is a RNA Virus. so it can survive some hours at surfaces, because the protein base who save him. so who knows. If you want use sanitizer, only alc over 70% could help. Better wash your hand often real good, this helps a lot more. and stay calm, waitng what WHO spread out tomorow. Here a good source of a real update map about the spread. As you can see, today the raising seens to be come down a bit.

  158. It has already been known since yesterday that Germany has four cases. All work in the same company and were probably infected by a Chinese colleague visiting a training in that company in Germany, and who only started showing symptoms on her way back. It is regarded to be an important observation that it is an early, (at the time) symptom-free case of transmission

  159. One aspect I'd like to see more coverage of is the apparently still lacking ability of health departments at the State and local level to test for this virus. The technique used by most laboratories in the world currently set up for this test -RT-PCR- is readily and widely available, and the exact protocol (primer sequences etc) published. Having to send samples to the CDC and waiting for the results puts an unnecessary restriction on larger-scale screening of possible infected individuals. If Governor Cuomo wants to show leadership, he'd make setting this test up here in New York City a priority. It would help calm people down, and help contain any outbreak around here before it takes off.

  160. @Pete in Downtown Yes it's a bit frustrating to see how slow the US testing is compared to UK who have finished at least 79 tests already. It's not that reassuring to make people wait so long for the tests to come in and it creates hysteria in the whole country. One of the positive outcomes of this hysteria could be that our annual flu cases might go down due to more vigilance and better hygiene in general.

  161. So I am still keeping busy not thinking about the Coronavirus by ordering items from Amazon and eBay from China. Now I am wondering if there is any possibility of this virus being able to live on packing materials and items sent to me from China? This epidemic might be better than Trump's tariffs at getting trade surpluses down.

  162. At this point we need a 3 week quarantine for all inbound travelers from China. Flights from China should be rerouted to military bases and travelers should be held there until they are known to be virus free. The US government should provide salary compensation and child care assistance to the people being held. After being released from quarantine travelers should carry a tracker app on their smart phone for 6 months so that their contacts should be traced if they become sick later on. Why 3 weeks? Our knowledge of the virus is rapidly evolving and we cannot be certain that the reported incubation time of 2 to 14 days is accurate. 3 weeks would provide a 50% safety margin over what we currently think is necessary. Very limited exceptions to quarantine should be granted to people involved in fighting the outbreak. Being an infectious disease doctor might merit an exception. Being a billionaire with business interests in China like Sheldon Adelson would not. Secret exceptions would not be allowed under any circumstances. The threat of virus particles on dry goods coming in from China is probably fairly low. Certain classes of imports may pose more of a threat. In the case of frozen catfish, I would be concerned that the freezing process might preserve viable virus particles. Items like blood products would be an even greater concern. Imports from China should be reviewed for contagion hazards and certain classes of imports should probably be banned.

  163. I'm flying tomorrow, and you can be sure I'm wearing a topnotch face mask on the plane. But not in the airport, or the Lyft to the airport. I'll take clean wipes to wipe down the tray table, and maybe the bathroom door handle, but will still eat food from an airport restaurant. Partial is better than zero, and partial is better than obsession. At least, today.

  164. @Snowball Partial is not better than zero. It's inadequate.

  165. I think the Western press is engaging in hysteria in its coverage of this illness. Although the Chinese have every reason to be alarmed here are the numbers for last year's flu epidemic for comparison. 42.9 million sick. 647,000 hospitalized. 61,200 dead. Having a flue vaccine available doesn't seem to have helped much. The major problem in China seems to be an overburdened health care system as this disease seems to be treatable if people can get to care. That is not the case here. So stop scaring people who do have access to health care. Obviously we should stay out of China, that's a no brainer.

  166. @hazel18 Based on your numbers and the numbers provided in this article, this coronavirus has a death rate 15 times greater than last year's flu.

  167. @hazel18 And imagine what the numbers would be if we didn't have a vaccine? That's what we're dealing with here with the new virus and it hasn't even been around for a month.

  168. Except nowhere in all this reporting is the key stat: how many of these died and how many recovered completely and went home. See? That’s how math works.

  169. Meanwhile there have been 6,600 US deaths from the fly this year. But I guess dying from flu isn’t as sexy as “New Illness” whatever it is this year.

  170. @MP Bet many of the flu victims did not get vaccinated. There is no vaccine for this new flu.

  171. Who can my family sue should I catch this and die from it? The government of China? Where does the buck stop? That’s all I want to know right now. China, yes glorious China with all its stolen technology and science...find a cure. You let the cat out of the bag...YOU FIX THIS!!

  172. This event duplicates almost exactly Event 201, an exercise enacted last year by Johns Hopkins and the Bill and Melissa Gates Foundation. Coincidence? One shouldn't really worry until the Bud Lite virus emerges.

  173. The media report # of cases of coronavirus and # died. How about telling us about recoveries. Is everyone who has beeninfected still ill or are many better? And, how long did it take to recover? This information is as important as the sensationalist stats we're being fed. Why isn't it shared?

  174. @Ann I have read last night that 106 confirmed people have recovered already, this may be less than the actual amount that have not be diagnosed. I have a feeling that this virus was circulating quietly for at least a month before anyone even realized it wasn't the common cold or flu. The problem with the media is that they are not giving us the whole picture, meaning confirmed cases, suspected cases, projected cases, recovered cases, etc. We just get the confirmed infections and the confirmed deaths usually.

  175. @Ann The assumption is that the people who were infected and didn't die are getting better, right? The press is focused on mortality rates, not what happens after someone doesn't die. Morbidity is still unknown.

  176. According the CDC there are now 36 states with patients under investigation for the virus and 92 samples currently pending for testing. However, the majority of samples that have been tested were negative for the virus. I sincerely hope the president's sharpie does not get anywhere near the CDC or their work.

  177. Not looking forward to the likely spread to south Florida with the upcoming Super Bowl. Are any precautions being taken to prevent those with symptoms from attending?

  178. Certainly everything that has happened this year has been so tragic for the whole world. We need to stop wasting our time on things like "impeachment". We all need to get together and do something about this virus which is the real threat to humanity. and then we can get back to political charade.

  179. A very good sign: Mike Pompeo said that Americans shouldn't overreact to the corona virus.

  180. SARS is a type of coronavirus

  181. I can't help but feel that if Obama were President he would have already held a National press conference calming the worlds fears, but also taking significant action as president. I doubt this President can pronounce Coronavirus.

  182. Yes, and “if you cross this red line”... or this one or, wait, this one”..... so calming.

  183. There are over 6,000 confirmed cases of the new coronavirus infection in China and 132 death, Most of the death if not all are from Wuhan. Within one month, every city or region have reported their cases except Tibet. This has demonstrated the highly infectious or contagious of this new virus. From the available reported data, it appears that the mortality rate for this new coronavirus is between 2-4% which is less than SARS 9-10% and MERS 30%. There are at least 72 cases reported outside China involved almost 15 countries with no death. We would expect 1-2 death if the same mortality rate apply to this outside population. Some of the cases are from Wuhan and then passed on second or third persons which represent second or could be third wave of infection. If this trend continues to hold truth with no death, could the new coronavirus mutated and is less virulent when it passes on from person to person ? At least, this is a hope and a thought.

  184. Terrible situation all around, and scary. I also feel bad for people like me with hearing loss who rely on lipreading to understand spoken language. It’s impossible to lipread when everyone is wearing masks.

  185. Americans are not making sense with their panic. If Americans feared diabetes the way they are acting about the latest strange virus on the other side of the planet, then gyms would be popping up everywhere, and Oreos/Ben and Jerry's/Coke would have gone out of business already. Yet, every diabetic I know is still drinking Mountain Dew while sitting on the couch complaining about the cost of insulin. If every American feared automobile deaths as much as they are reacting to this virus, the highways would be completely empty. Yet, everyone sits in traffic a couple of hours a day even though its the number one killer in this country. People are just looking for another reason to be afraid. Why not just rent a copy of "The Joker" or watch an episode of Ellen? You stand a much better chance of a heart attack watching either than dying from Ebola, SARS, Zika, AIDS, or any host of terrifying bugs that nature throws at us.

  186. @tom harrison Not everyone is selfish enough to worry only about one's self. People are concerned for others, people in other countries. So it's not about being afraid for oneself but rather being worried for all the people in the world, especially in China. It's a tragedy and we are all members of the same human race.

  187. @tom harrison I take care of my health in every way that is humanly possible, but I, like every American, would/will be entirely vulnerable to a flu strain that is perplexing the medical world.

  188. I'm sure I don't have the exact numbers correct, but it appears to me this virus was only discovered about 10 or 12 days ago. The first couple of days there were 1000 cases. Then it quickly went to 2000 cases. Then to 6,000 cases. All this in 10 short days. if you run the math out for 1 month the numbers are astronomical. Like that game a giving a person $0.01 the first day and doubling it every day for 30 days . People who keep comparing this to the flu are looking at total final flu numbers after the episode subsided and the virus came under control. In addition to that fact vaccines were made available and many people were vaccinated ahead of the flu. It could take many months before we have a vaccine for the Coronavirus. The 14-day incubation period does not help as that could mean the numbers or actual carriers could be highly underestimated. This virus is in its early stages so it seems that to the flu cannot be carried out yet. But who cares --the stock market is booming.

  189. @kat no, we have known about this since December 1st. More cases started to emerge around December 31st. This has been going on much longer than 10 days.

  190. There are reports from other sources about the American evacuation has left behind upwards of three times as many in and around Wuhan, compared to those evacuated. AP, for instance, is saying Americans couldn't find transportation to the airport. When American citizens tried to reach American representatives in China, they got nothing but recorded messages. Non American spouses and children that haven't cleared bureaucratic red tape are separated and left behind. Mr Trump has a habit of disenfranchising Americans while most of America doesn't. Lets bring our citizens and loved ones home

  191. Yes, I have heard, going back a week or so that American State Dept employees, both at embassy in Beijing and consulate in Wuhan, were not answering phones and had left unuseful recordings saying things like "don't travel to Wuhan," which were of no use to people stuck in Wuhan and looking for way out.

  192. What this says to Virologists like me is that the current Wuhan Corona Virus (WCV) is more virulent, invasive and infectious than the SARS corona virus. Also it has already spread within a short time to all continents except Africa and Antarctica. All observations from the SARS Corona virus are not therefore applicable to the WCV. It is misleading and irresponsible for an International expert to state that a person who is asymptomatic or symptom free is Corona virus free. Any virologist will tell you that after exposure to infection there is an incubation period during which viruses multiply without symptoms and could potentially transmit infection to a person in contact with them or are sharing the same air. Agreed that once symptoms are manifested as fever, sneezing, coughing, shortness of breath the rate of transmission will be much higher. Sensitive testing of patients suspected of exposure will be required to detect the virus during early stages of the Corona infection.

  193. @Robert from NY. Who told you there is no effective treatment? Do you know less than 10%of those who were infected have died. That is because a patient can in theory recover if the symptoms are treated or if the patient's immune systems beats the virus and wins the race against the virus rapidly multiplying. Why are seniors dying faster than younger patients? That is because as we age our immune system gets weaker.

  194. It is not panicking or being paranoid to state that the world seems to be rushing towards a public health emergency. The World Health Organization will say as such any minute now, too many absurd business obstacles in their way to not have done so already. The facts are the facts - this one spreads very easily, people get very sick, plus no vaccine for some time. I’d err on the side of caution, not denial.

  195. Impossible Burger needs to be introduced to China. If ever there was a country that needs to be vegetarian for health, theirs and the rest of the world, reasons China is it. Stop eating exotic wildlife and getting the world sick China.

  196. @Rebecca actually The average Chinese actually consumes more and a greater variety of vegetables than the average American who eats more highly processed food. Don't forget about Swine flu, which originated from pigs in the U.S. and killed ~10-20% of the world population. Look in the mirror first. And stop getting the rest of the world fat first.

  197. Impossible Burger is in China. . . Have you been to China?

  198. @Linda If you are talking about the 2009 pandemic, that percentage figure is way off. The total number of deaths from swine flu was 14,500 globally.

  199. This is almost certainly neither here nor there but around Christmas I (39 year old male) flew to Boston and soon after, contracted the strangest, strongest virus (?) I’ve ever experienced. Onset marked by horrible pain allllll over, then came severe flu symptoms. After a week, it seemed to largely disappear. Two days later, it regenerated (something I’ve never heard of), with symptoms that were different and even more severe. My face leaked fluid from my eyes and nose for days (never experienced anything like it. It was so constantly agitating that I actually wanted to cry). I threw up multiple times and I haven’t thrown up from illness...ever? I’m betting I just caught a nasty bug. But is it possible there were cases of the corona virus that early swirling around the planet?

  200. @Joey Blum You ought to have seen a doctor, now we would never know, would we. Besides, this is not the forum for a medical diagnosis, dude.

  201. The 1917/18 Spanish flu hit young people between 20-40, "regenerated" after a seeming recovery & was characterized by pain, fluid in the lungs, runny nose & your other symptoms. Wuhan seems less severe than that, perhaps you went through a time warp & picked something up there?

  202. See I knew I shouldn’t have leapt into that swirling vortex in the Logan Airport restroom! Plus, now it makes sense why those people were cursing the Kaiser!

  203. The FBI just arrested a Harvard researcher and department chair who was being paid $ 50,000 a month (!) by the Chinese government, with the intent to gain technical knowledge; meanwhile their hospitals are routinely understaffed, and under-supplied, even in non-emergency times. This tells you where their priorities are, despite ample resources, with public health towards the bottom. What’s a few thousand, or perhaps even millions lives to the government, when you have more than a billion people. As long as internal ‘stability’ and its image to the West are retained.

  204. Xenophobe anyone? I think tourism and business travel is far more of an issue that immigration. You do realise that the timelines for ‘chain migration’ are measured in years and even decades?

  205. @ml People in glass houses and all that.

  206. What about the underfunded public hospitals in your country? What about the 44 million Americans 44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem? About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance.

  207. It’s time we halt all travel from China. This has nothing to do with one’s nationality and everything to do with trying to stop an epidemic. At the same time, China must, once and for all time, shut down those open air ‘markets’ as well as any and all selling, killing and consuming wild animals.

  208. How will this occur? More importantly, when???

  209. Closing organized markets will only drive them underground. Besides, the hogs eat bats that nest above their pens, then pass the virus onto humans. A vaccine which targets a broad range of flu pathogens is the best hope (Measles, mumps and polio have largely been eradicated using this method).

  210. @Peter There were 8200 deaths in the United States, alone, in 2019-2020. That's not a typo...CDC statistics. ~"It’s time we halt all travel from the United States"~

  211. Why am I reminded of "World War Z"?

  212. Where did they report zombies reported in Hunan?

  213. If you do come down with this disease a good read is The Passage by Cronin

  214. The Stand by Stephen King is closer, unless vampirism is a result of Coronavirus

  215. Serious question: Why is are there such dramatic steps being taken to control the spread of a virus that doesnt seem to be much dealier than the flu?

  216. No question that coronavirus is very fearful, globally. It is an epidemic of major proportions. But, in this country, over the past 2 decades and more, our man-made epidemic--that kills at the rate of more than 150 lives per day and now accounts for more than 400,000 deaths---by opioids and other related drugs, made by our own drug companies, distributed by our manufacturers and their cohorts, systematically ignored by our federal and state health agencies---THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC is the worst man-made epidemic the world has seen, born in the USA, received scant attention if not negligible notice when people were dying at the rate of 150 people per day. No one, save a very few isolated physicians united by PROP, who believed in the medical oath of DO NO HARM, tried to stop it. We as a nation must look into our own mirror.

  217. The real reason people are so concerned about the coronavirus is that we need something to distract us. That is what ‘news’ is all about. Human beings cannot live without a life or death mission. This is also why we are so concerned with the impeachment, with climate disruption, and with Kobe Bryant. That’s not to say these aren’t important issues. Let’s try to be a bit realistic though – our lives are so bland that we need something to distract us.

  218. it can mutate, that is what is scary about it.

  219. @Geoff My life is not bland for a minute.

  220. You would not feel so if you lived in Wuhan. Perhaps your comfortable life has numbed you to the very real dangers which threaten it.

  221. This is on you, Chinese government. You knew those markets with live wild animals were problematic (see: Ebola) and yet your local officials wink wink nudge nudge let them continue.

  222. In short, Blame it on China!

  223. 0 people outside China have died. Of the 5 that have been diagnosed in USA, from having returned directly from wuhan, 0 are sick anymore or dead. Please report facts instead of instigating pointless fear. Sure it’s potentially dangerous and China has gone out of its way to contain it to the degree that people are home bound. This is not a raging epidemic or anything.

  224. The article clearly stated there have been no deaths outside of China.

  225. Question is what is the mortality rate. Flu seems to be 0.05% 8500/15000000 This virus seems to be around 2% 132/6078 A factor of 40 greater mortality rate Experts/authorities need to figure this out. Press needs to get on the ball re potential mortality rate. Really hope the early reported numbers are wrong or misleading.

  226. death occurs after the incubation period. 132 deaths result from the old patients which was much less than 6000. considering the 3 days to 14 days incubation period, the death rate is much higher than 2 percent.

  227. CDC to cut by 80 percent efforts to prevent global disease outbreak. Thanks Trump, now what? Four years after the United States (Obama administration) pledged to help the world fight infectious-disease epidemics such as Ebola, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is dramatically downsizing its epidemic prevention activities in 39 out of 49 countries because money is running out, U.S. government officials said.

  228. This outbreak will be the first of many more viral epidemics given the urbanization and overpopulation of the planet. A few hundred thousand years ago, this coronavirus would have burned through a single small hunter-gatherer group and vanished. Even in early civilized times, the virus may have affected a small village or trading post before disappearing for lack of new hosts. Today, the virus strikes in the heart of a teeming megalopolis with hourly international flights around the world. It is not if, but when, a viral species develops into a 'perfect' infection vector: long asymptomatic period, easy airborne transmission among human hosts, and high mortality in all health subgroups. Countries like China and India, with billions of people (aka potential petri dishes) living side-by-side squalor and animal hosts, will be the source of these viral threats until public health measures change living conditions. The alternative is that Nature itself will find a biological way to curb human population, and it will not be pretty.

  229. America... Please: Evaluation of this brand spanking new Coronavirus cannot be completed effectively in three days. More like three weeks. 201 citizens could decimate your nation - regardless of their distribution. Be safe or, be sorry.

  230. @DieselEstate Agreed.

  231. People had better understand that this is a world problem and not just a China problem. It can be slowed down with travel restrictions, but it's already gotten past the border.

  232. Could someone please explain why a single temperature reading at a specific time, e.g., disembarking a plane, would be indicative of carrying the CoV virus? Temperatures flux hourly and per my understanding there is an approximate 10 day asymptomatic period. Seems it shows well on TV but is ridiculous -> guarantine every person separately from known/suspected areas in isolation 14 days. Also, German News showed entire cities in China quarantining themselves. Absolutely no-one enters these cities. They have 24/7 watchman with barriers at all entry points. I think this was done in the USA during the influenza outbreak sometime between 1915-1920 . . . So we would not be setting precedent to restrict travel.

  233. @-K Very astute observations. First, in answer to the single reading... its magic. People think that the authorities are doing something. It is about as effective as spraying the pathway in a park with disinfectant! You are correct that during the 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic, towns and cities barricaded themselves in. One town that tried that failed because it was later determined that the postman most likely had introduced the virus. The cities that did not take drastic action suffered the most. The first wave was known as the three day fever and wasn't as bad as the second wave, which was when the virus had evolved into a more deadly version - people woke up feeling fine and were dead by the evening. It has been suggested that a "cytokine storm" was what caused so many people to die. The third wave wasn't as bad because the survivors of the first two waves had built up immunity! Actually, China's action are setting a precedent, never in history has such a large scale quarantine been attempted. Last, the first recorded case of the Wuhan Pneumonia Virus was Dec 1st 2019 and at the beginning, Chinese authorities attempted to silence people about the large number of deaths that were occurring. Also there is evidence that this virus did not originate from the open air market as is being reported. In other words, factual information is lacking on this very new and novel coronavirus, the seventh that now can infect people (three months ago, there were only six!)

  234. The best hope is a vaccine that targets a broad range of flu pathogens, including versions in bats, swine, etc. Measles, mumps, polio and smallpox have largely been eradicated using this method. Microscopic viruses cannot be corralled but we can boost the human ability to withstand them.

  235. I can't think of a better argument for universal health care than a global pandemic. Do you want sick people afraid to visit a hospital because of the cost? I don't. We are living in an increasingly interconnected world. Your health and the health of our community can be affected by one ill person. Since multinational corporations have been the driving force behind globalization, perhaps they should bear the brunt of paying for universal healthcare?

  236. It doesn’t seem to be working well in China at the moment

  237. @Bill It is not working well in the UK, which is stretched to the max because of the seasonal flu. The Universal Health Care is so bad in the UK that, depending on where you're at, if you have a heart attack, it can take over an hour for someone to even show up. Heck, Sweden, which all the politicians to point at as an great example... if you make 35k US, your tax bracket is in the 60% range!

  238. In addition to our Government giving special treatment to our diplomats by only placing them in a 72 hour quarantine, while the rest of the world places a two-week quarantine on their citizens... I think that it is important to point out that the only people I see panicking is the media and Government officials! So what! Okay, so there is a run on masks... Again, so what. That is not panicking. There will always be a small group of people who will go out and stock-up on items, which is a human thing... not a panicking thing! What is frustrating is the fact that we have officials who think that they should withhold information so as not to create a panic... which is what the Chinese government did when the Wuhan Pneumonia Virus first appeared. When a hurricane threatens, people go to the store and stock up... that isn't panicking. Think about it, people who live in earthquake prone zones and take the time to stock up are not panicking. People who build a tornado shelter and plan ahead... are not panicking. Buying face-mask's in advance is not panicking!

  239. New York Times needs to check its sources. They keep reporting Singapore as having only 5 confirmed cases when they only need to check the government’s official site to learn the true number :

  240. The numbers are changing quite quickly.