For a Roof in Old Westbury, N.Y., a Singular Slate From England

Dec 20, 2019 · 30 comments
R.F. (Shelburne Falls, MA)
A wonderful article. I worked my way thru college doing roofing in suburban NJ. I could never master the art of slate roofing, though, so my boss put me on the jobs where asphalt shingles were being used. Now, many years later, I own a 135 year old home with a gorgeous slate roof. Our slate comes from quarries in Vermont near the NY state line. Over the years, very few slate have had to be replaced. I'd estimate that 95% of the roof is original slate.
Nigel Smith (Collyweston)
@R.F. To see the project photo album then please visit our website, also see our other interesting roof projects at Cambridge Colleges. www.claudesmith.co.uk
GT (NYC)
Excellent story: I'm about done replacing the original slate roof on an 1870's church that's my weekend residence. Could not bring myself to install asphalt. Slate is painfully expensive -- but gorgeous for an old house lover. Interesting to see how this slate is combined with mortar for proper install -- so, it's not only old buildings destroyed by not using true lime mortal. Shame -- the original roof should have lasted so much longer. I'm surprised they are using a waterproof Grace underlayment with the new ... trapped moisture? Before other materials became widely available, slate was a regional material. It was too difficult to ship ... labor to quarry and install low. My building was clad with PA blue black slate -- it has iron ribbon contamination and will eventually fail. Today, only the best slate is worth the trouble to quarry -- Labor being the lions share of the cost. I used a non fading black slate from Virginia that can last 100's of years ... Jefferson used it. I'm going to make a point to get over and see this roof .. Thanks NYT !
Richard (West Hartford, CT)
This was an excellent well- researched article. Even better, it follows so well the long running Times "Streetscapes" weekly series in the past. I recall that was written by Christopher Grey. Judging by the comments. many other readers enjoyed this article too.
L Martin (BC)
Did I miss that naughty $ thing here everyone is asking from word one?
Pat (California)
This is just a feel-good article - something special in a time when things like this are rare I suspect. And being from California - check out one of the pictures of the Gladding McBean decorative elements. They were major providers of architectural terra cotta across the US (and even in the far east) at the turn of the century until the 1930's. (From beaux arts to art deco!). Still in business in Lincoln, CA, they are now being called upon to repair the weather-related damage to these 100 yr old architectural decorations that make these buildings such beauties.
Lynn Russell (Los Angeles, Ca.)
@Pat Glad you mentioned Gladding McBean whose lovely green and black tiles I have in a bathroom. Unfortunately some opportunistic owners of historic buildings , they don't have protected interiors, have simply ripped out the tile which went straight to the dumpster in an effort yo upgrade. Ugh! Downgrade on the owners!
B. (Brooklyn)
And your point? A feel-good comment about terra-cotta roofs? Which I also like, don't get me wrong.
Doug (N Georgia)
A wonderful house and gardens open to the public. The house also appeared in the Alfred Hitchcock movie, “North By Northwest,” as the home where Cary Grant faces the first of many perils.
Yaj (NYC)
Regards the original choice: Why would anyone use limestone as roofing material, especially as thin "slates"? Lime stone absorbs water, and it has little shear strength. I guess this is like the Lincoln Center buildings clad in that porous marble, which is a limestone. Think Lincoln Center learnt its lesson after 45 years? No. Examine the new pink granite paving stones for the plaza which have little shear strength and also absorb water. Then even if the old mine reopened why use the stuff that will fail again? Now, there is geopolymer concrete which can be made based on the same lime stone: that's at least entirely water proof and even though it may not have great shear strength at that thickness, the "slates" could be replaced during yearly maintenance, as is done with real slate roofs.
B. (Brooklyn)
Fail again? The slate lasted a pretty long time.
Robert J. Wlkinson (Charlotte, NC)
@Yaj Why pooh-pooh this wonderful historic preservation project? And please, the latest trends in building technology are not always the answer. Collyweston slate is apparently an historically proven roofing material, not to mention an astonishing expression of fine craftsmanship. Get a grip, Yaj!
Yaj (NYC)
@B: Real slate, unlike porous limestone, lasts hundreds of years as a roofing material, as long as broken slates are replaced annually, and the building doesn't move much. 100 years for a slate roof that is well maintained is nothing. However this wasn't ever a slate roofed building. Slate is not porous.
emmy (Dallas)
Fabulous article. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you!
Rob Houck (Pittsburgh)
I‘m a former NYer, now living a 10 minute walk from Phipps Conservatory in Pittsburgh, where the money for this extravaganza came, and next to Carnegie Mellon. It‘s Car NEGe, by the way. Our prior 2 houses had slate roofs, so I know how terribly expensive even simple slate roofs are. I wonder if all those English laborers had work permits and paid taxes. ICE could have deported them to Honduras. Great story.
Nigel Smith (Collyweston)
@Rob Houck just to confirm our skilled slaters have all got the 0-1 and 0-2 working visas. See our website to view the project photo album and our other interesting projects in Cambridge www.claudesmith.co.uk
Birdsong (Memphis)
We had to remove our slate roof when it was about 90 years old. The slate was in good condition, but the nails had rotted.
Lynn Russell (Los Angeles, Ca.)
@Birdsong Our slate roof is to be laid off, reskinned and replaced. Unfortunately it is behind schedule and with one more rainy season we will have water logged beams on top of it all. One has to stay on top of this beauty for it to last. Deferred maintenance doesn't quite work in historic structures.
E. Jakmauh, FAIA (Little Compton, RI)
@Birdsong Now we know to use stainless steel nails or screws.
Lynn Russell (Los Angeles, Ca.)
Many thanks Mr. Gill for this brilliantly written article. The old trades, like art forms, are to be respected and hopefully rejuvenated especially for lovely places like Westbury House and the like. The article also resonated as I live in a landmark building of 1928 and fully appreciate all aspects of a slate roof, although not the sumptuous Collyweston, and its inherent perils.
dl (renton)
Great article. Beautiful project. Beautiful house. I hope to be able to see it some day. It is said that money can't buy happiness, though perhaps it's fair to say it can create beauty.
David (Flushing)
Closer to home, we had a slate center in Bangor, PA, between Easton and Stroudsburg. Today, there remains huge piles of unusable pieces. The color was more of the prosaic gray and not nearly as attractive as that used at Westbury.
NYCRedhead (Nashville)
When I moved to Nashville a few years ago, I was driving around and getting to know my new surroundings. I came upon a house not far from mine and the sight of it made me slam on my breaks. It’s a replica of Old Westbury Gardens. I went home and researched it. The house was built less than 20 years ago. Not as grand as the original and certainly without the gorgeous slate roof. But pretty impressive.
mainesummers (USA)
I don't need to ask how much that new roof is- it has to be the prettiest one I have ever seen in my life. I hope the two roofers, so far from home, are treated to an exquisite dinner in that home when they're done.
Nigel Smith (Collyweston)
@mainesummers thank you for your kind words. The Slater’s are getting looked after very well indeed by the lovely people at OWG. www.claudesmith.co.uk
B. (Brooklyn)
One of my favorite places for a stroll -- the grand but surprisingly comfortable house, the gardens, the dog cemetery. Wonderful that the quarry reopened and the house will get its new roof.
David (Here)
Great article. Thanks for going into detail about the installation process. It left me wanting to know more. Well done.
Lynn Russell (Los Angeles, Ca.)
@David Am sending this article on to ICCA Institute of Classical Architecture & Art for anyone that may have missed it. They usually have a good repertoire of craftsmen. Nice little chat here about slate and tile..... which is lovely to live with.
KB (West)
This is truly lovely. The slate is mouth wateringly pretty. For a few moments I imagined them on my decidedly un-grand house. I’m always happy to read about traditional things like this being revived. It makes a really worrisome world seem much more hopeful, and beautiful. When I bought my house I did not think ahead to how the sloping land around the house would complicate replacing the roof, and the roofers all wore sturdy safety gear. I see no safety harnesses on the roofers in this article. Surely they would not be doing the job without them.
Jean (Vancouver)
@KB I noticed the same thing. They should be tied off to a sturdy spike at the the top of the house. I know it is a nuisance to them, but I also know the results of a roofer falling. This one was my husband's patient. The roof was not too high, and he probably would have survived the fall, but maybe with a broken pelvis or back, and he did survive. However, he fell into the vat of hot tar that the other fellows were using for the flat part of the roof. His burns were terrible, and altered his life. All could have been prevented by wearing that safety harness.