That whole "America's Mayor" idiocy was started by Oprah Winfrey who hung that tag on Giuliani after 9/11/01. It was a piece of hokum designed to appeal to the rubes who hang on Oprah's every word. Nobody here in NYC ever bought that banana oil. We knew better.
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That whole "America's Mayor" idiocy was started by Oprah Winfrey who hung that tag on Giuliani after 9/11/01. It was a piece of hokum designed to appeal to the rubes who hang on Oprah's every word. Nobody here in NYC ever bought that banana oil. We knew better.
Giuliani's most egregious 9/11 offense, before Oprah dubbed him America's Mayor, was his craven attempt to delay NYC's 2001 mayoral election. Never forget than in the wake of a terrorist attack on America, Giuliani's first action was a move to stifle democracy in NYC.
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Let me sum it up. Rudy G sold his soul to the devil.
He use to be part of a team that put brutal mafia criminals away for life now he joined the other side with Trump ie not quite as brutal but just as criminal.
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Giuliani became a grifter the moment he left office, parlaying his supposed expertise in "security" after his poor decisions on location of headquarters in WTC 7 and choice of communications devices that cost the lives of hundreds of WTC first responders. HIs alliance with criminal Bernard Kerick speaks volumes on his judgement and lack of morals.
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America’s mayor to America’s nightmare.
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Now just another criminal, just like his boss.
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He was never my mayor
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Please stop using the term "America's Mayor". That was always a fiction created by, and sustained by, the media. Giuliani was deeply unpopular then, and even then his sociopathic tendencies came through loud and clear. He was and remains a wanna-be strongman, professional grifter, and a leech on the American body politic.
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Giuliani became a grifter the moment he left office, parlaying his supposed expertise in "security" after his poor decisions on location of headquarters in WTC 7 and choice of communications devices that cost the lives of hundreds of WTC first responders. HIs alliance with criminal Bernard Kerik speaks volumes on his judgement and lack of morals.
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Let's be clear about one thing.
The only reason Rudy Giuliani was called "America's Mayor" is because he was still in office during 9/11 and knew how to grab the headlines and every available photo-op.
Otherwise he was down and out in popularity and in the polls, and most New Yorkers couldn't wait to get rid of him and his particularly brutal reign of terror.
And true to his sycophantic nature, it's no surprise that he's ended up in the employ and yet an even greater narcissistic sycophant whose only interest is getting ahead and getting over, no matter the price.
It's only fitting that they should both go down together.
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Please STOP calling him something he never was, America’s Mayor. This is the man who told the press he was divorcing the mother of his children, who he was cheating on with Judith Nathan, He hadn’t told his wife though so she found out about the divorce from the press. America’s Mayor? I think not
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Precisely.
I was glad enough to be rid of the squeegee men at every traffic light, but telling the mother of your children, via a radio interview, that you're divorcing her really is crossing a moral line.
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Rudy in the spotlight? The best satire from The Borowitz Report:
"Giuliani Kidnapped by Ukrainian Circus. By Andy Borowitz
While on a mission to Ukraine to acquire information about the business dealings of Hunter Biden, Rudy Giuliani was kidnapped by a travelling Ukrainian circus, Giuliani confirmed on Tuesday.
“It was the strangest thing,” he told reporters. “I was on a street corner talking to some people about the Bidens, and these guys came up to me and said, ‘Come with us.’ I thought they were taking me to a cable-news studio.”
Where they were taking him, it turned out, was the Krychevsky Wonder Show, a popular family-owned circus that has been travelling around Ukraine since 1873.
“We saw this guy acting entirely bizarre, and we decided we had to have him in our circus,” Oleh Krychevsky, its current proprietor, said. “It’s hard to find a sideshow attraction with that much potential.”
For two days, Giuliani filled a giant tent at Krychevsky’s, regaling audiences with tales of CrowdStrike, Burisma, and a person named Alexandra Chalupa. But soon his relationship with the circus soured.
“Even after the crowds went home, and we were all ready for bed, he wouldn’t stop talking,” Krychevsky, who ultimately fired Giuliani from the circus, said. “He is exhausting.”
Only after Giuliani’s tenure with the circus was over did Krychevsky learn the man’s true identity. “I was told he was the former mayor of New York. I still find that impossible to believe.”
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That's brilliant! Highlight of my day, thanks for sharing
Despite the media appellation, Rudy was never “America’s Mayor,” whatever that is supposed to mean. He is a classic case of believing in his own media image.
On a far less serious note, the Dallas Cowboys are and never were Americas’s team.
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It’s ridiculous to have placed a label of America’s Mayor on someone who just had been in office during 9/11.
He was a good mayor with coffers filled. That allowed him to hire hire and hire.
Hire police
Hire fire department
Hire sanitation
Fill a few pot holes.
Your golden in NYC.
That’s the secret.
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Rudy was a mediocre mayor with a flair for the dramatic and the spotlight and hugely dislike for his “methods” all the way back from when he was district attorney, then 9/11 happen and “rescue” him... he’s been living off the backs of those who perished that day ever since... only now we all get to see the despicable human being that he is.
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I think you mean the Grand Havana Club in Jared Kushner’s building. Never heard of the the Grand Savannah Cigar Bar, and we have so few cigar bars in NYC I def would have heard of it.
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Is Savannah known for cigars?
Unless it's a praline club, or a candied pecan club, and not a cigar club.
Anyone remember Clark Clifford? I can't believe I remember his tale! I recall that he was a cabinet member and trusted adviser to Presidents in the 50s and 60s, and then unfortunately sought relevancy again, as an old man, in the 1990s, and got caught up in a bank scandal that tainted his legacy. This is what comes to mind when I think of Giuliani.
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"[Giuliani] was the first federal prosecutor who really put himself on television."
That was my introduction to him. He would come on Nightline to be interviewed by Ted Koppel about his office's cases against the Mafia. I thought he was smart and principled.
Instead, I was young and dumb. I'm also slow. I still can't believe that a former United States Attorney, head of the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, one of the top two federal prosecution offices in the country, has fallen so low.
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Let’s be clear his grandstanding ‘after’ 911 did nothing (e.g. make face masks available to all first responders) to make him America’s Mayor. Not even in NYC whose wisened electorate knew his shameless association with 911 was self promotional.
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I remember seeing Giuliani at a Barnes and Noble towards the end of his term. He was buying self-help/ reinventing yourself in business books by various authors. He had at least four of them. I wish I could remember what they were. How did he get from there to wherever he is now is certainly an appropriate question.
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Springsteen's "Glory Days" comes to mind. There are many people who could have a great legacy if they would just exit the stage gracefully. Some (like Springsteen himself, perhaps Clint Eastwood) transition to an older, age-appropriate version of themselves.
But too many, like Giuliani think they can still run in the fast lane and they become parodies, or caricatures of their former selves, willing to do anything it seems, to bask in the limelight. In his case, he threw away any claim to integrity, probity to become Trump's gofer and Cohen replacement.
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@SurlyBird - Whether legacy is more important or staying alive and occupied while you can more important - that seems to be an individual choice. (My mom at 91 mostly loves retirement, like cards and bingo with friends at the nearby Casita, though she was fulfilled working for the decades her skills were in top form; my dad loves staying busy at 99, even adding when he can to a memoir for after he's gone of surviving the concentration camps.)
In theater, for example, there's Lerner and Loewe - Loewe stopped at some point, but Lerner felt a need to keep writing more shows - he never equalled the success of "Camelot" and "My Fair Lady" in terms of shows, but those flop shows produced so many wonderful songs, and resting was not part of what Lerner wanted to do.
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Birds of a feather, flock together. This is the marriage of Trump and Guiliani
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I really wish the media would stop with this fiction that what Giuliani is doing is acting as the President's lawyer. This is not legal work, and it gives it a veneer of acceptability to describe his role as though it were. Giuliani wants us to believe that his actions somehow are in service of providing a legal defense. Just more of Trumpworld's efforts to confuse and twist reality. He is engaging in political dirty tricksterism and Russian style disinformation -- not something you need a law license to do.
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@Mike - regarding " Just more of Trumpworld's efforts to confuse and twist reality. He is engaging in political dirty tricksterism"
And yet lawyers all over the country (maybe the world?) do oppressive things that are considered the practice of law, often within limits by members of the Bar - even on behalf of very rich people using loopholes and inventive readings of the laws against middle-class and poor people who simply can't afford legal representation.
Many lawyers "confuse and twist reality" - I gather the only boundary is when it goes beyond being a selective reorganization of reality and steps over into clear dishonesty, actual lying. It would be great to think that realizing the repercussions of what "being a lawyer" allows someone to do in a case like this without losing their license will be a wake-up call - but it's hard to imagine after all these decades (centuries?). enough members of the Bar want that change. As with the AMA, for the most part, the last people who want to remove protections from other doctors, in doing what they do, decisions they make, seem to be are other doctors. ( There's also been a lot more talk of the thin blue line, where we seem to see that in many locations, the last people who want to remove protections from the police day to day are often other police.
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