Unfortunately, this kind of incident is no longer as shocking as it used to be. How Christians who worship a Jewish carpenter can hate Jewish people is beyond me.
So sorry for the Jersey City community and all those directly affected. May God bring good out of this.
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Sending my thoughts to the GOP/NRA Party. The usual, and unprintable.
Vote them ALL out, it’s the only solution. 2020.
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@Phyliss Dalmatian What does politics have to do with this? Evil people perpetrated an evil act, something both sides can state and have stated. You dilute the sacrifices of the law enforcement officials involved by posting this.
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Condolences to Detective Seals' family, friends, and fellow law enforcement officers.
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Were these murderers caught?
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@NextGeneration They were killed in the grocery.
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HOW on Earth could they possibly be 'terrorists' if they're White?
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Putin chuckles and plans to send more $$$$ to his pals at the NRA.
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"They drove about a mile, stopping in a Hasidic neighborhood where dozens of young ultra-Orthodox families have relocated to in recent years."
This was known yesterday afternoon. Since when has driving to a Jewish neighborhood and shooting up a store ever been a coincidence, or an accident?
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"Detective Seals had lived in North Arlington, N.J., about eight miles north of Jersey City, for at least five years, neighbors said. Neighbors described him as a dedicated father with five children."
Clearly Republicans in Congress who enable overcompensating gun-huggers care more for their NRA campaign $$$ than for the lives of brave policemen such as Detective Seals and their loving, now mourning, families.
Anyone who votes for any Republican these days allows this ongoing carnage to continue.
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The NY Post reported that Leah Mindel Ferencz was one of the victims who passed away. My deepest condolences to everyone affected.
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Guess no one knows or wants to say who the suspects are, huh? Too much concern about protecting their rights as vicious killers?
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@signmeup They're dead, so I doubt that their "rights" are an issue. (Not counting their right to carry guns, of course.)
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America has a math problem. Each gun purchase is simply an additional gun that can end up in the hands of someone with bad intentions. It's as simple as 1 1
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@Rich Holder There is no statistical basis for your point. We have vastly increased gun ownership but not seen the same vast increase in crime.
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"God bless America", well that's wishful thinking. This country is cursed, and if anything needs an exorcism.
Condolences to the families of those killed and injured in this outrageous assault.
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This highlights why law enforcement needs armored vehicles. They were used to engage the perpetrators and could have been used to rescue the school children if they were not able to shelter in place
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Only six dead; hardly worth our attention. That is just how accustomed we have become to gun violence.
Gun violence requires a federal solution to stop the flow of guns from the Southeast. I was shot in NYC with a .45 that was probably purchased in South Carolina.
Gun violence is an abstraction ... until you or a family member get shot. Our elected representatives are predisposed to take money - or avoid attack ads - from the NRA. When we collectively get angry enough, Congress will act.
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@David Cary Hart You should probably look at statistics for the odds of you dying in a "mass shooting" versus motor vehicle incident or lightning strike. Violence in any form is terrible but guns are used in self defense FAR more than criminal activity. Plus, all outlawing the guns does is take them from law abiding, responsible gun owners. It's already criminal to use a gun in a crime, all more laws would do would make it more difficult to defend oneself from criminals.
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@Walt "Guns are used in self defense FAR more than criminal activity" is quite a nice delusion for fans of the NRA. Not so much for fans of reality.
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@Jim Demers CDC statistics. https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-defensive-handgun-uses-annually/
That doesn't include deterrence or undocumented defensive uses. Even at 10% of the above numbers, it's FAR more defensive uses than criminal uses, especially mass shootings (no matter the definition).
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It's good to see the Times quality of writing hasn't improved. You end the article talking about how it will be a 'sad Christmas' for the family? It's a sad moment in American history for a number of reasons, but to denigrate the service of these officers with this drivel is absurd. Every law enforcement officer puts on a badge, gun and uniform (or civilian clothes) to go to work, every day. They are ready to sacrifice themselves to allows the other 314,300,000 odd people to live their lives. The issue here is the perpetrators, not the guns. Murder in the heart is a societal issue, not a political one. May the law enforcement officers rest in peace knowing they stood their watch until it ended. May the current law enforcement officers be reminded of this incident and maintain their vigilance. May the civilians recognize that evil exists and they must do what is necessary to protect themselves and their loved ones. A 'sad Christmas' indeed.
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@Walt Particularly tone deaf to end with "a sad Christmas" when it looks like victims may have been targeted based on Judaism.
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There are few comments because readers have come to expect violence and crime. They will not agree to laws that ban weapons because America is a dangerous place, and they may someday need weapons of their own. Rapid dissemination of news when these tragedies occur keeps people anxious and fearful. As long as we receive daily doses of news about murders and mass murders, people will remain defensive. The police are the only thing standing between us and mayhem, and we don’t have enough of them. Raise their salaries.
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Events like this contribute to the prevailing concern of police concerning the proliferation of guns. At this point, anyone approaching a 'suspect' these days is likely to assume that this person is armed. The answer always seems to be 'more guns'.
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@David What law enforcement officer wouldn't be concerned with the proliferation of guns when the criminals caught with them aren't punished enough to dissuade others from pursuing guns used for criminal activity? Enforce the laws we have.
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@Walt Two days ago Houston Police Chief Acevedo lost one of his officers in a shooting, and he had the courage to speak out. So, don't worry about the government taking your guns away (the subtext of your comments), and support local and national law enforcement by passing legislation that will help to keep guns out the hands of people like the ones who killed 6 people in Jersey City yesterday.
Police Chief Acevedo on his fallen officer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0PsRg1cFTY
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@Karen The subtext of my comment is "enforce the laws we have," nothing more. See what criminals who are caught using a firearm actually get charged/convicted with. Bleeding hearts want to take the guns from law abiding citizens while not punishing people who break the laws we have regarding guns. This is to not even touch the fact that the Chief has to keep his job, so bucking the Police and Fire Comission (likely not pro-2nd Amendment) wouldn't be good for self-preservation. Not impugning the man, just his motives based on my experience with upper level management types.
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I share the other commenters sentiments and also find it difficult to continue to send "thoughts and prayers" and admiration for those in Blue who give their lives to help us live ours peacefully. And I am weary of feeling such sadness for a community and also fearful that my community could be next, and what other community could be next. Is there no way we can fight this intolerable suffering brought on our nation by those who seek money and power, including the power of owning a weapon of mass destruction? Greed. Corporate greed and xenophobia. We went to war over WMD. How many more mass murders before we understand that a WMD can be a single firearm? It doesn't have to be a bomb. When will we outlaw ALL WMD?
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@mouseone Who would be responsible for gathering all these "WMD?" A large segment of the pro-2nd Amendment crowd are law enforcement and/or military folks. They won't do it, and they shouldn't. There are more guns than people in this country, yet these instances are (statistically) rare. You can't stop evil people from committing evil acts. Removal of firearms from the people is how the government truly controls the people. I don't think either side of the aisle can be trusted when it comes to that much power over the populace.
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Unfortunately we have become numb to the increasing violence. Our collective "shock and anger" has diminished over the years as certain congressional members, the president and the NRA have done the best to produce the worse. Until we see millions rise in protest like we currently see in Hong Kong there will be no difference.
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@Viktor prizgintas The protests in Hong Kong are over excessive government control. The government can exert that control because the citizens are not armed.
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No comments. I believe it is 9:23 am and still no comments. I believe I understand why. What's the point? Certainly, everyone not blindly seduced by the gun lobbies and the NRA appreciates the need for at least basic gun control (eg banning assault rifles with high capacity magazines and closing the gun show loophole)But tragically, everyone also knows there is no traction politically for gun control because politicians are terrified of organized political action by the gun lobbies. It appears the only thing that will be effective is for voters to make clear at the polls that failure to support sensible gun control will result in one being turned out of office. But that is not going to happen. So it places me in a paradox. It's pointless to comment, but how can one observe endless mass shootings and NOT comment?
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@Robert Wilson It's possible people did comment but had their comments moderated out because it didn't meet the the publication's civility standards. Also I think that people are more apt to comment when the information about the attacker fits their preferred view about sources of danger -- the people behind the guns. We have very little informatipn on that.
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@Robert Wilson. You're correct that it is pointless to comment at the moment. There is no information about the gunmen or the motives. We can only observe as the authorities learn more.
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@Robert Wilson comments are coming in on one of the other articles.
I hope they'll update with more information about the incident that caused the detective to approach the truck in the cemetery.
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