What the Suspect in the Chinatown Murders Says He Remembers From That Night

Nov 18, 2019 · 44 comments
David (Washington DC)
>> folded his hands and spoke softly and matter-of-factly about his goals once he is freed. He seemed unaware that if he is convicted he faces life in prison, and talked matter-of-factly about his goals once he is freed Article repeats the phrase “matter-of-factly about his goals once he is freed.”
AlNewman (Connecticut)
Turn Rikers into a home for the criminally insane.
Nycdweller (Nyc)
His family blames everyone except themselves
Starvosk (NY, NY)
This guy is nuts. He obviously did the murders, caught on tape. We probably don't have the facilities to house criminally insane anymore, so just lock him up with the rest of the murderers.
Robert (Hoboken)
the F train doesn't go to Union Sq
Mickela (NYC)
@Robert Mr. Dazio said Mr. Santos started staring at him and his family when they got on an F train at Avenue U in Brooklyn.
Susan (Brooklyn, NY)
@Robert it has a 14th street stop.
Salix (Sunset Park, Brooklyn)
It is hard to understand why with hi record the suspect was still at large that murderous night. The Italian tourist was willing to return to testify - why was there no action?
B. (Brooklyn)
New Yorkers have been victims of both random assaults and targeted attacks ever since Creedmore and Willowbrook were shut down. I've been punched twice, once in the gut and once in the arm, by passers-by -- and I know others for whom this is true. One friend was kicked hard in the shin by a guy who walked on, turned back, and smiled. We don't even bother reporting these incidents. People are spat on, shouted at in subway cars, pushed into subway tracks, knifed on the streets, murdered in our parks. Asians tend to be handy targets. Now that it's happened to four homeless men and caught on camera, we are shocked. Well, some people are shocked, anyway.
Nycdweller (Nyc)
Thank Geraldo Rivera and his Stella reporting for having Willowbrook closed
Madeline Conant (Midwest)
Will all these prior assaults be admissible in his current trial for the murders?
Mich (Fort Worth, TX)
"He seemed unaware that if he is convicted he faces life in prison, and talked matter-of-factly about his goals once he is freed. “I take every class and activity they offer me here,” he said. “I want to educate myself. I try to stay active, occupied.” He added: “I want to get out of here and have a future. I want to marry. I want to have children.”" Given the evidence against him I write this: under no circumstance should he be allowed to mingle with society ever again. Neither in this country or his home country.
John Small (LA)
This is his home country
B. (Brooklyn)
Or to have children. There's such a thing as DNA, much as we'd like to deny it. And bi-polar disease seems to be inherited.
JaneK (Glen Ridge, NJ)
This man needs to be incarcerated for the rest of his life, and his family needs to bear some responsibility for his actions as well, unless they can document that they provided measurable evidence of care and of relentlessly seeking medical and psychological support for his condition. “I never thought he would kill someone,” she ( his mother ) said.. “I was afraid of him, though, because he punched me. That’s when I told him to get out of my house.” He soon turned violent, breaking his grandfather’s nose in a 2016 incident, and just last Monday slipped into the family home to steal a watch, a phone and three phone chargers. His mom booted Randy from the house more than three years ago, but he remained a menacing presence popping in and out of their lives. “When I told him to leave, he came back and threatened me,” she recounted. “He said when I go back to Santo Domingo, he’ll get people to cut my face.” NY Daily News October 5, 2019 Why he wasn't in jial for this alone is beyond me, but I have to ask how far the family pushed for his incarceration.
Diana (Cambridge, MA)
@JaneK While I can see your point about the importance of taking some responsibility, your ask for "proof" that the family did everything they did everything they did to provide support seems inconsiderate. You forget that to seek any type of help requires money, do you think his family had the money to seek help?
DAWGPOUND HAR (NYC)
@Diana yes. They probably had state and federal welfare support for help. Otherwise, why would they even be here?
Amala (Ithaca)
Sadness all around.
Steve (NY)
Why is this a surprise? It's exactly what every defense lawyer would tell a client.
Nell (NY)
Such a sad story. For Mr Santos, yes, but so much more for those he attacked so viciously- perhaps driven by fierce delusions of his illness- and those he liked, and their families. Even the Bronx Freedom Fund - a group that does good work to help people - got it badly wrong in this case. Intent to help contributed to harm. This is not a downstream issue about homelessness. This is about a failure of efforts at public health and support or care of poor people with chronic mental illness, as the commentator with the violently schizophrenic son can attest. When family is overwhelmed, when community isn’t enough, when people have histories of unpredictable violence...there has to be a better way. I wish the article had included interviews with state psychiatric facilities about what it might take to get Mr Santos in a safer place. (Anything short of murder convictions?) 3 days, 3 weeks, 30 days of treatment sometimes is not enough. If Mr Santos, 5 years ago , had been confined somewhere he could learn English, practice more regular living, managing his illness with support - if he had been able to do that for several consecutive years, and then released to supportive housing on probation- his story and those of all hi victims and their families might have been so much better. Public mental health is a lifetime, and sometimes life or death, issue. We need to do better.
Rose (San Francisco)
In generations past individuals with history of severe mental dysfunction, pathological outbursts and drug addiction, individuals like Santos with documented threat to himself and others, would have been legally transferred into the custodial care of mental health facilities. The late 1960s saw a new view introduced regarding the mentally ill with California taking the lead under then Governor Ronald Reagan. The closing of mental hospitals. It coincided with the development of new drugs which it was believed would allow those with chronic mental illness to live independent lives within the community. Over the last 50 years this has all too tragically shown itself to be a misguided and overly optimistic expectation. It's become routine to see reports of domestic and random violence carried out by individuals unable to carry out the minimal level of responsibility required to manage their illness. Refusing to take the medication required. Unable to receive or take advantage of support mechanisms in place. America has a mental health crisis that in an of itself is operationally dysfunctional.
R (New York)
The story from mr. Dazio is something that unfortunately happens a lot. When you walk around lower Manhattan or take subways early morning or late evening, there's quite a few deranged people around. They scream, shout and harass. It can feel very menacing. Worst thing is, there's no obvious solution. All of this feels like a downstream effect of the homelessness crisis, but I don't think giving shelter and/or homes will accomplish much once they're in such a state.
Nell (NY)
Not a downstream problem of homelessness. Downstream of public lack of support for the poor and chronically mentally ill. We could do better. But it is not an easy problem, and not an attractive or in any way influential constituency. And people may need to be confined in some humane way until they can show themselves capable of basic self management and supported independent life. Which itself needs tax money. Citizens need to decide if this is with it. If you think so, the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) has a history of advocacy.
Emilie Mitcham (Denver, CO)
I cannot help thinking about my adult son, who lives with unmedicated schizophrenia on the street, when I read this account. My son has been offered treatment ad infinitum and refuses it due to the symptoms of the illness (lack of insight) and instead self-medicates with hallucinogenics and street drugs (in addition to the strongest pot he can purchase or convince others to share.) These drugs impact his memory & he has delusions of being "gang stalked."(If people take pictures of him he thinks they are reaching into his brain to assault him in some way.) He assaulted me viciously and severely injured me 7 years ago, and was expelled from college for holding a large knife to his roommate's throat. He constantly scares and threatens others and has been evicted twice from homes the city has given him vouchers for. He is incredibly smart and manipulative. No matter how often and under what circumstances I call police, they refuse to hospitalize him for long if at all (most of the time completely declining), saying his civil rights trump any theoretical future danger. Whenever he is hospitalized, meds help but he goes off them after being released. They never hold him for more than 30 days, and sometimes it takes a jury (and my testimony) to hold him that long. I pray he never kills anyone. And I look for brave legislators who are interested in solving our mental health and homelessness problems in this country. When I find them, I will partner with them to help us all.
Nell (NY)
Incredibly brave and insightful comment. Thank you and God bless you and your son and your community. Families of the severely mentally ill need love, support and compassion for what they go through. But they also need a decent public health system that has capacity to face and help manage these extraordinarily difficult cases and patients. We all do.
Theresa Clarke (Wilton, CT)
@Emilie Mitcham Brave and heartbreaking. People don’t realize the suffering of those plagued with schizophrenia and how their families forever struggle. They suffer like Jesus Christ. Public humiliation. I’m just wishing your whole family moments of peace and comfort.
Emilie Mitcham (Denver, CO)
@Nell Thank you, Nell. I appreciate your note.
math365 (CA)
The local new television station in Los Angeles aired a segement on the same subject: Violence against unsuspecting citizens by homeless drug addicted or deranged people. The police pick them up, the judges let them go. Many of the attacks were captured on video and the perpetrator easily idenified. The police more often than not know the perpetrators from frequent interactions. We have a problem and need to come to terms with the results of ignoring. Santos' victims paid for our broken immigration and homeless systems.
Malcolm (Kein)
It's worthwhile to note that gender plays a big role in why the system failed: almost all of the victims of the assaults outrage were men. My belief is that had he assaulted a woman and in the course of that assault touched her (either intentionally or accidentally) in an inappropriate way, he would have been locked up and none of this would have happened. When the victims are men, we often brush it off.
B. (Brooklyn)
Good God. On the contrary.
Jeff (Dubai)
@Malcolm I think you should read the article more carefully before coming to conclusions. He did inappropriately touch a woman and wasn't held accountable for that either.
ES (Chicago)
One of the described assaults was his groping a woman
Morgan (Minneapolis)
I live in downtown Minneapolis and have seen many fights go without action from the police. Incidents like this are bound to happen when mayors increasingly want police to ignore crime.
Rodgerlodger (NYC)
When I represented utterly inept criminals for the Legal Aid Society in Manhattan long ago the least among them -- those who couldn't come up with at least a logical lying defense -- would tell me they didn't remember what they were doing at the time of their alleged crime.
R. (Camp)
The judges who kept setting him free should be before their own courts on charges of aiding and abetting a murderer.
What? (Crown Heights)
Horrible circumstances all around. What is particularly curious and somewhat strange however, is the reporter's decision to spill so much ink on the assault (2 years ago) of the Italian investment banker on holiday with his family...who survived...and so little attention is paid to the men who were murdered--their plight, their deaths, and their conditions seemingly less worthy of Edgar Sandoval's reporting...
Toni Archer (New York)
@what — It seems the author here focused on the attack on the Italian man to showcase the absurdity that Mr. Santos was not already in jail or receiving treatment at the time of the more recent attacks. There are links to very comprehensive, moving, and beautiful tributes to the men who were killed at the bottom of this article.
Lindershaw (US)
@What? The discussion of the assault against Dazio is well warranted. It tells us something about Santos and what might have been done to keep the public safe from him, and Dazio is able to recount facts about the incident. The later victims are sadly lost, so they can't be interviewed. Besides, the criminal justice system apparently reacted rightly to their murders, so there is little to question there.
Lindershaw (US)
@What? The discussion of the assault against Dazio is well warranted. It tells us something about Santos and what might have been done to keep the public safe from him, and Dazio is able to recount facts about the incident. The later victims are sadly lost, so they can't be interviewed. Besides, the criminal justice system apparently reacted rightly to their murders, so there is little to question there.
Paul Shindler (NH)
Non violent drug offenders rot in prisons while this obviously dangerous and very violent individual is continually let loose. The system is broken.
DAWGPOUND HAR (NYC)
In this instance, he, spending his natural life in prison would be best for the world. Because of our currently broken immigration system, if he is ever released from prison and deported back to the Dominican Republic, he would probably be back in the USA, illegally, quicker than one can bat and eye....PHEW!!!! Just awful for the victims' families and our nation.
Stephen Boston (Canada)
@DAWGPOUND HAR Prisons are not configured and their staff not chosen and trained to adequately deal with the mentally ill.
DAWGPOUND HAR (NYC)
@Stephen Boston Thanks Stephen! I think mental health care institutions associated with prisons is the answer. In New York, there is a major movement by politicians and various community stakeholders to decentralized prisons like rikers island. The proposed plan is to relocate incarceration centers to the 5 boroughs. My plan is to associate each new local borough jail with inpatient mental health care. This way, family and community supportive care is then easily accessible for both circumstances. I have lived long enough to have witnessed inpatient care. It was brutal then. But we are better now....🙏
DAWGPOUND HAR (NYC)
@Stephen Boston Thanks Stephen! I think mental health care institutions associated with prisons is the answer. In New York, there is a major movement by politicians and various community stakeholders to decentralized prisons like rikers island. The proposed plan is to relocate incarceration centers to the 5 boroughs. My plan is to associate each new local borough jail with inpatient mental health care. This way, family and community supportive care is then easily accessible for both circumstances. I have lived long enough to have witnessed inpatient care. It was brutal then. But we are better now....🙏