Anything that's not good for trump is good for the country
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The NYT of course has interpreted the facts backwards.
Putting Dreamers on notice, or possibly deporting them to their home countries is exactly what the voters want, and it promotes the President's popularity; Americans first in America. Not such a radical idea to tens of millions of patriots. We reject the Democratic Party open borders strategy of importing millions of uneducated serfs to the U.S. on economic, social, moral, and environmental grounds.
There are no shades of gray when it comes to ones lawful status. Either you are here legally or you are an illegal alien.
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Democrats hated Trump so much that they wouldn't compromise on the wall to extend DACA. A secure border will be the foundation upon which immigration progress will depend, no matter which party is in charge.
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Might not be a good thing for Trump but it sure will be great for America.
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Great idea. Let’s deport 800,000 people who have committed no crimes, completed various levels of education, speak English, and are likely already married with children of their own, all so the president can make Obama look bad.
Smart move. Makes America great again, no doubt!
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The court decision is expected in June 2020, five short months before the election. If Trump defers action on DACA (assuming the court ruled in his favor) it will still be one more reason for sympathetic voters to vote Democratic because a Democratic president would surely let the immigrants stay. If he tries to eject the immigrants, the media will make it a PR black eye for him. Seems to me this is a losing issue for him either way.
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Since those enrolled in DACA were brought here as youngsters through no fault of their own, many of us would be willing to let them retain protected status. If is their parents who are at fault, not them. Yet, it might not be possible to offer legal status to just the DACA recipients without their protesting that we should also protect their parents and other undocumented immigrants.
This newspaper has reported that large philanthropies have been donating, for years, to social service agencies that organize the undocumented to demand U.S. citizenship. After telling them multiple times that a president lacked the authority to unilaterally offer them amnesty, President Obama created DACA to protect those who had been brought here as children. This was not enough for them. The social service agencies immediately called on the President to protect more people.
Still, the agencies realized that it would be wise to demand that one additional group at a time to be given protection. After DACA, they decided to focus on anyone who had a son or daughter who was living here legally.
DACA recipients demanded that their parents be given legal status, saying their parents had been the original dreamers. The President complied, and tried to create DAPA.
If we legitimize DACA recipients, the social service agencies will be organizing them to protest on behalf of their parents, their other family members, extended relatives, and anyone who has moved here illegally.
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Whenever Trump decides to deport 660,000 young people who were brought here illegally but tried to make their lives legal in good faith relying on DACA, he will take a lot of heat. Destroy 660,000 lives because 1) you don't like brown people and 2) you will do anything to undo ANYTHING Obama did, and you will take heat. Of all the horrible things Trump has done and stood for, this is the one keeping me awake at night - 660,000 young people thrown under the bus when they relied on the word of the US government. These young people are going to be punished for trying to do the right thing. The world and anyone in it would be insane trust a thing the US promises anymore (but of course, Native Americans learned that lesson long ago - they've been trying to tell us the truth for years, but I doubt even they are happy about this way of being proven they were right).
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What is the basis for saying that Obama’s DACA executive order is invalid? If this executive order is invalid then all of Trump’s executive orders should be thrown out.
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What Trump really wants by ending DACA is a deal.
The fact that 80% of Americans do not want to see Dreamers deported adds to their value as hostages to Trump's immigration policies.
He will release the hostages if Congress releases tens of billions to "build the wall" and adds some other restrictive immigration policies, in a single legislative package.
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The Dems will already be able to rally about this and propagandize without it being passed. This is a good policy move. I still say all of the bluster about immigration reform and enforcing borders is a bit silly - in the sense that all you would have to do is enforce penalties on employers who hire illegals, and take away their access to free educations and medical treatment and this immigration problem goes away without a wall. If they come North and realize they can't get free medical treatment, educations, and better paying jobs - they won't come.
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Here's my prediction: The Supreme Court will throw out DACA and Trump will offer DACA relief in exchange for the Wall and every other item on the Republican wish list. Nancy, Schumer, and crew will cave and give it to him.
The 'we own it' comment will make a terrific talking point for the Democrats. They'll get to hammer Trump with that from now right up to Election Day.
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DACA was never meant to be permanant, it was meant so they could obtain citizenship not so they could stay on DACA forever
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@Carthan ,It doesn't work that way.Most of these Daca cannot apply for citizenship because they do not meet the requirements.Citizenship requirements are different and more involved than Daca requirements,otherwise they would all be citizens by now.
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@Carthan
Correct. But citizenship is only possible through an act of Congress.
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May God’s Grace inspire Justice Roberts to protect our Dreamers, who are our children.
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Court declares Obama action unlawful - a soul-salving victory for Trump. Trump then sends a bill to Congress to legalize the Dreamers - for the optics and election effects (not really caring whether it is enacted or not).
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I opened all immigrants and children of immigrants support helping these young DACA in-betweens stay in the country and culture they know best. We have all invested tax dollars in their education and development. They need a path to permanency, maybe a green card.
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@Katrin Yes granted,this is what they know,but that didn't stop their parents from making the move to another country even though they didn't even know the culture or the language,so they will have to learn the ways of their homeland.Although I doubt that they've forgotten their roots that quickly. Daca has only been around for 7 yrs not generations.But in any case,those barriers have never been an impediment to any migrant before!
Trump deserves all the negative press because he has nothing of any greater good or substance to offer Americans. His base doesn't care however----look at some of yesterday's comments about DACA deportation in the Times. One person posted a comment that Dreamers shouldn't be here in the first place. My take is that people who post those comments either don't know anyone who is a Dreamer, or they stereotype people based on what they hear. Sad.
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Who cares if it makes it difficult for him. He created the issue and now he's in it up to his neck. Just shows you what happens when you go with gut.
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POTUS why don’t you focus your energy on ridding our prisons of criminals or supposed criminals . Send them back to their home countries and leave the productive children alone many whom do not know any country except America . You are cruel .
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@DPT Justice is supposed to be blind. Illegal is illegal. You can't deport one guy for illegal presence because he committed a crime and reward another guy's illegal presence because he went to college.
That's one set of rules for the fortunate and another set of rules for those less fortunate. Justice means same crime same punishment.
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@DPT ,No,when their parents decided to come here they didn't know any different either,not the culture,not the language,and yet it didn't deter them.Nothing deters any migrant.So they can adjust the same way if they are sent back!They should be upset with their parents who brought them here illegally without thinking of their consequences!
I disagree. Trump supporters will welcome a Sup Ct decision against DACA - it will strengthen his base. And likely, Trump will have time to spin it as beneficial to those in the critical swing states who debate the ugliness of repealing DACA against the perceived benefits of enforcing immigration laws.
Remember these are people who want the wall, oppose the government (despite all they typical get from it), and oppose rational, necessary gun limitations (or candidates who opposed them) even after the slaughter of innocents at Sandy Hook, Parkland, and Las Vegas. They will willingly throw DACA kids under the bus for Trump (and what they think he gives them).
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@BMD I'm having a bit of trouble understanding your assertion that conservative "get " things from the government. It's almost as if you think the base of the Democratic Party is wealthy minorities and well-to do whites. Do the demographics of the Democratic Party really paint that type of picture for you.
Trust me, there are many well educated blacks, whites and Latinos who support Trump. I talk to many of them all the time.
In fact, I'm of the mindset that the Democratic Party agenda is taking money from the rich to buy newly legalize marijuana, get your party on, and have the government pay for abortions- because accidents do happen.
I guess one of us is on point and the other is way off. I can only tell you I support Trump, I work hard every day and I send a big check to the government and never get a check back from the government.
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@BMD,
If the Chief Justice does this correctly by off-setting any ruling's implementation by at least several years, according full due process protections to DACA-eligible individuals, and giving this issue time to influence the 2020 elections, he will safely get SCOTUS off the hook and allow this issue to play out where it belongs, in Congress.
@Jimbo You are not representative of all Republicans, a concept I find Republicans have a hard time grasping in general. You are not everyone. And the fact is that Republican-majority states receive the most federal assistance. You could even call those handouts. But that would go against the narrative Republicans have constructed for themselves, as you have here, as people who pay taxes and receive no benefits. The numbers don't bear that out.
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Silly statement... Trump in a bind? He owns the Supreme Court and the Senate. His cronies on the court have never seen a Trump position that they didn’t back.
It’s getting to the point there is no reason to argue to the court! Just have Roberts call the president and ask him what he wants. It would save so much time!
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This is a brilliant analysis.
Trump, as always, can scarcely think tactically about politics and governing, and not at all strategically.
Immigration is what separates his white conservative evangelical supporters—who have bought into the ethno-nationalism of Trumpism in its entirety—from mainstream Christianity.
Yet there are still some Trump supporters among mainstream Christians despite large numbers of opponents.
I can think of nothing more likely to turn lingering Trump supporters among mainstream Protestant, Roman Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox Christians into Trump opponents than a ruling in favor of Trump against DACA. It would go against the central message of both Testaments of Scripture as well as the entire tradition of Christian doctrine.
Only white conservative evangelicalism would be left among Christians as Trump supporters after such a ruling, a branch of Christendom cut off from the tree.
And that will cost him the presidency.
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