What is missing from this article it the fact that Florida has one of the most consumer friendly exemptions from judgment laws in the country. Many people relocate to Florida to protect their property from judgment creditors. Trump is probably also seeking to again stiff people he owes money by this move.
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In the words of inimitable Milton Berle: "Our loss is their loss."
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He was probably advised to try to escape the jurisdiction of New York courts and prosecutors.
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His paperwork is dated 9/27. Melania’s is dated 10/3 - I am curious to know why the 1 week difference. Maybe we’ll find out one day in her memoir the back story - assuming the prenup allows it - then again I suspect her memoir will look a lot like Michelle Obama’s anyway.
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Yes, I can't imagine him in New York after all this. Unfortunately for him, New York and Florida have (legal) reciprocity so he won't get to escape his past. Congratulations to the citizens of Florida, who will now be supporting this family.
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NY will be more beautiful without him here, but does that mean that NY taxpayers can stop paying for the excessive police presence around Trump Tower and the NYPD can get back to doing what they trained and were hired for - protecting the real citizens of this city?
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Florida will be a good place from which to argue that the sea level isn't really rising.
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Palm Beach is not far enough of a move. Trump and family should be looking further south - Guantanamo would be appropriate for family and White House staff. Trump in an orange jumpsuit - he could blend away into obscurity.
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I have read many of the comments thus far, and I am wondering if anyone can recollect an instance where any other state official has publicly commented adversely on a state resident's impending departure. Of course, I am speaking of Gov. Cuomo's message to DJT: "good riddance!"
Not that there's anything wrong with that...(phrase attribution to Jerry Seinfeld)...I am certain New Yorkers who share that view would gladly have a parade...Fifth Avenue, perhaps?
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I have to learn to take something in and then just relax and not go immediately to a buzz kill. Stop thinking that if a glass 90% full that it is is 10% empty.
This news just made me feel great. Then I thought what if he winds up winning Florida by one vote.
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How is it possible that Trump is a lifelong New Yorker, built his business in New York, made his home in New York, told his lies and committed his crimes in New York, and The New York Times says about his taxes or mistresses or anything else he does, "there is no way to fact-check his assertion"?
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It's his eagle's nest
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“I cherish New York, and the people of New York,” he added, “and always will.”
I would hope so, - that's the folks he and PaPa built the fortune on, - ( ripped off ).
Are the jails nicer in Florida ?
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Hopefully trump is never able to be anywhere without protest again for the rest of his life. It is the least j=e deserves for the divisiveness he has ginned up. maybe her can move to one of those places they like him, lie West Virginia.
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Someone please tell him that there are no taxes on Moon. And the land is up for grabs for Trump hotels and golf courses there. He should board the first available space shuttle from his Space Force and never come back.
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The epitome of 'Florida Man' is now a resident!
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How many times did the City of New York bail him out? How many times did the banks until they just had to say no more (except for Deutsche Bank, of course, because they're even greedier than Trump)?
There is no angle this pathetic, corrupt excuse of a man won't use to cover up his corrupt activities and his true financial situation.
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Let us know when it’s safe to walk down 5th Avenue again...
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New York City's average intelligence just skyrocketed.
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Congrats, Florida residents. You will be supporting Trump and his family for the rest of your lives.
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He will fit in well down there. We can expect he will take the "Florida man" escapades to a whole new level!
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Man, for such an alleged tough guy, he sure does whine a lot. So much whining.
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I think the Trump family should move to Russia.
Or...move next door to Sarah Palin. Apparently, she can see Russia from her house.
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Finally! And please take your awful real estate with you. He will still have to deal with the pesky laws of New York City and State. But thank Zeus he is no longer going to live here. The weather's already improving.
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I am wondering what are the chances that they might consider relocating to Florida 'like full time.'
Are those moving vans that I hear were heading down Pennsylvania Ave, oh my mistake they were black, as in a prison van , better yet.
As they say Hope Springs Eternal
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Establishing his domicile at a golf club instead of the White House perfectly reflects his priorities and where he spends his time.
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This man whines about everything.. He fails to realize everyone's life does not revolve around him(selves).. He has been treated badly by New York 😵.. Think of all those who can legitimately say the same about him(selves)..
As with all things Trump, this is about 💰 💰 💰 💰 💰.
Folks.. Register to vote, get our young people registered.. Vote in 2020.. and get rid of this embarrassment and his sycophant minions.
I will miss not a one when they are gone.
Looking forward to the day when I can watch the news again without a mention of name and all if the lies told to cover up the other lies.
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Trump now "Florida Man."
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Trump's decision definitely is the "best for all concerned." He is always such a victim, like he was forced to run for and steal the presidency. Poor old codger; perhaps when he's playing golf and getting his bouffant prettied at Mar-a-Lago he can reflect on the children who are about to be kicked off of Food Stamps and the families separated and kept in cages near the Mexican border. Shed no tears for Trump or his hideous crime family; everything he gets is self-inflicted.
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Things are bad enough in the US without people making bad situations into personal vendettas.
The Governor, and other people in high places should recall that at the end of the Second World War, Adolf Hitler, in his Berlin "bunker" and nursing a paranoid grudge that his German people did not work or fight hard enough to support his Reich-began to order the destruction of his own country's infrastructure and industry. That it was not carried out to the extent he desired is a testament to Germans who began to suspect that their leader,(fuhrer, in German), must be at least a little crazy.
We are in a similar situation and it does no one any good to "goad the bull". NY and especially NYC has enough problems without our governor making a special enemy of our "leader".
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He just wants to get closer to Cuba. lol
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Isn't he concerned that more people speak... uh... you know... S-P-A-N-I-S-H there?
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Florida Man!
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Whiner in Chief! You made your money there fool, in part by cheating the banks and government. A con man like you will do better in Florida.
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Now if only we can get him out of Bedminster..
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Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
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So, have Florida adopt an inheritance tax like the rest of the country to help contribute to the Medicare for all bill. This way at least Trump will be contributing something to this country.
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I don't mean to be glib, but I feel Donald should really consider moving to Moscow. He is, in my perspective, a Putin operative, finding ways to discreetly benefit Putin while abandoning some of our allies.
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New York’s gain, is Florida’s loss.
(And yes, this is right!)
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I thought that Trump's business interests in NY weren't doing well. Trump tower has a high vacancy rate, his condos aren't selling. Is he even making enough money to pay taxes?
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It's heartwarming to know that Trump is moving to a state that will be mostly submerged by 2100. Much of Florida will be unlivable before that, because the aquifers that supply drinking water will be contaminated by sea water.
Karma. Puts a smile on your face, doesn't it?
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@The Poet McTeagle
2100? Trump won't be around so what does he care
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Love it! Why did he wait so long!
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@The Poet McTeagle unfortunately Trump won't be alive when that happens so it doesn't really matter
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Florida doesn't have an income tax, or at least they did not in the past. My wife was in the USAF. As soon as she was assigned to a USAF base in Florida, she changed her residency, i.e. domicile, to Florida.
Wow, what a sad state this nation is in, when a state governor, especially of a large influential state, can say "Good riddance" when the President leaves. And I agree with Gov. Cuomo!
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The Walter Cronkite Republican observes Mr. Trump had to do something to hold on to Florida, he knows he has lost his home state.
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I don't believe there's any place on earth that despises Trump more than NYC does. We know him the best, have always known what he is, and rejected him long ago. When will the rest of the country wake up?
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Such hostility, Mr. Cuomo. One very good thing for decency is that the media is leaving Baron alone, and if you think about it, the Trump family is pretty much not making waves or headlines. That is good. The First Lady is a good First Lady, and is an immigrant.
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And she is taking an American's job!!
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@NYT Reader
We'd never pick on a kid. Everyone feels sorry for Baron.
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Wage earners must pay non-resident taxes no matter where they live. They can't play the same games "smart" people like Trump can and move their "domiciles."
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Our maximum security prisons are full of people who’ve been “treated badly” by NY State. Maybe he’d like some company with whom to commiserate about NY’s insensitivity to their needs?
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If the universe has a sense of justice, Trump’s presidential library in Florida will sink under the rising waters of climate change.
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At least his tweets will be preserved in the cloud, since there are no major items on paper to preserve in the library.
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Don't spend too much on the movers because in about 1.5 years you will be moving back to NY. I hope you enjoy living on an island. I hear Rikers Island weather isn't that great in the winter.
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I agree with Governor Cuomo! Perhaps Mars would be a better choice than Florida, although he'd fit right in there with all the other con men.
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I am not a Trump supporter, not a fan at all. However, I really am aghast when I read in the NYT the vitriolic comments here (and relating to other articles). How as a country are we going to move forward with the level of hatred displayed here? Many, many people move to other places or deposit their money in offshore havens to avoid taxation. You would think Trump is the only person who has ever undertaken this dastardly deed. We are in serious trouble if we cannot put the venom and unmitigated loathing aside and work together.
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That's funny! I thought he would want to win Florida not alienate them.
Maybe he's attempting to win New York by leaving.
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Actually, he just realized that he made a terrible mistake.
Someone suggested moving to St. Petersburg and he thought they meant Russia.
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Wonder where he will go when seaside Mar A Lago is swallowed up by a raging ocean.
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Is Trump going to claim that Florida should "protect him" against New York? Obviously he wants to move from New York because he wants to escape responsibility for the crimes he committed in NYC.
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We don't want him either, but does he realize New York and Florida have extradition treaties?
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Another reason to love NYC!
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Could this possibly mean that all the other Trumps will also leave town?
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H should move to Russia to be with his buddy.
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@oldestonr1 That would mean he had to learn a new language. He hates people that speak more than one language.
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Go to Florida, Trump. They’ll be happy to treat you poorly, too.
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Great! Now whenever the Great One pulls another idiotic stunt or tweets nonsensical non sequiturs, he can be called "Florida Man."
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The World’s Biggest Whiner.
That alone will be reason to can Trump by the end of this term. Crybaby can go work on his tweet library as it sinks into the sea.
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Or should I have said “his Lie-brary” ?
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From one NYer to another: SEE YA!
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Another claim to fame for the Land of the Hanging Chads!
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Reading the comments just point out how much this person broke us as a country.
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Surprising that he named Florida as his place of permanent residence and not the White House.
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A good con artist always knows when to skip town.
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That’s what Florida needs, more corruption. Just another crook.
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I believe that, unlike NY law, under Florida bankruptcy law the family home is protected from creditors in the event of a personal bankruptcy.
Just saying. Who knows?
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I'm a person of modest means but I'll gladly pay for all of Trump's moving expenses.
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How much NYC taxpayer funds are spent for special protection for Trump Tower? Now that Trump is no longer a NYC resident, that amount should be zero.
Vote Blue, No Matter Who
Every office, every seat
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Those folks who see him as the “epitome” of a New Yorker are terribly mistaken. Even with those erroneous stereotypes of us were true, e.g., impolite, loud, discourteous-and they’re not, New Yorkers are among the most progressive, diverse and accepting of our country’s populace. Perhaps one reason he’s decided to leave is because he’s reviled in Manhattan and is unwilling to endure the public ridicule he’d experience whenever he’s out to dinner. Also, the prisons in the City, should he be incarcerated
after leaving office, are unwelcoming to rich white guys...
Quid pro quo y’all.
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I don't think FL has inheritance tax. His greedy kids probably encouraged his wish to avoid tax.
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We should question why POTUS believes paying taxes is the equivalent to paying bribes to law enforcement to overlook his crimes.
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Start spreadin' the news, he's leaving today,
He's not a part of it,
New York New York.
Those shuffling shoes, are straying too long,
He's out of the heart of it,
New York New York.
He's gonna wake in pen that never sleeps,
And find he's king of a cell,
On an ant heap.
He couldn't make it here,
Or make it anywhere,
Congrats to you,
New York, New York
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@Elle - Love it. I wish I could shake your hand and buy you a drink.
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The air in the City just got a lot cleaner.
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Mr. Cuomo has such good fortune. He gets to tweet an official "good riddance." I hope we all have such good fortune in November 2020!
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Growing up in the NYC area I knew too many in my age group who closely resembled today's Donald J. Trump. When it came time to attend graduate school I never thought twice about looking elsewhere to further my education. What I did learn during my first 22 years, however, was just how many despicable Grifters spoke Queens accents. Trump epitomizes the loudmouth "New Yorker" I grew to despise. How he ever got elected is beyond belief.
My condolences to the state of Florida. Perhaps a native Floridian alligator or, better yet, an immigrant giant python will find Trump a culinary delight. But watch out for the poisonous contents of Trump's gut. The brain however will be 75 year old fudge.
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So long Mr. Trump. New York will be a better place without you.
But, if you ever want to return we have a nice room for you upstate in a place called Attica.
And you can live there rent free!
Be our guest.
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Does the Don of the Trump Crime Family understand that:
his businesses are still registered and/or doing business in NY and NYC;
He can be extradited from Florida to NY;
and
Mar-o-loco suffers from the threat of hurricanes?
Once out of office he will be unable to nuke hurricanes.
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Trying to shield his assets from the eventual criminal investigation under Florida's Homestead Exemption. Florida is where all conmen eventually reside.
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We really don't want Trump in Florida....we have enough drama with him and his resorts. Stay in New York.....
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I hope he moves in early 2021.
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Cuomo must be very happy at all the New Yorkers fleeing the state! He completely ignores the issues facing the state (taxes, etc.) and focuses on this nonsense - is this even news worthy?
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If New York has more people like trump it will have less of them.
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@Big Jim
I predicted months ago, and I'm sure others did as well, that Trump would never return to New York as a resident. I love, however, how this is, in some minds, all New York's fault or that New York will wither with Trump and company moving to Florida.
First, the blue states give more to than they get from the federal government. The reverse is true for the red states. So if the blue states go down, where's the money going to come from to buck the red states up?
Second, there will always be people who live in New York for the same reason that Willie Sutton allegedly said he robbed banks: Because that's where the money is.
And where there's money, there's independence, there's culture, there's luxury.
Florida may have its beauty away from hurricane threats and many lifestyle advantages, but it does not have the intellectual and cultural glamour of New York.
You get what you pay for. -- thegamesmenplay.com
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Money
Where is the focus on what this country needs?
Everything trump is only about trump.
Hey. He cheats on his taxes and lies anyway.
Since Florida has no income tax, there’s one less set of documents for prosecutors to discover.
trump is the best after all. The best at corruption, dishonesty, ego.
Where’s the next move? Mar-a-Volga?
Is there an income tax in Russia?
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Some posters here are mentioning New York City's loss of the future Trump Presidential Library.
Isn't the irony so self-evident as to preclude such posts? Hint: The Trump Presidential Library wouldn't fill a second-grader's book bag.
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He whines worse than a tired toddler wanting candy from the display at the check-out stand.
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Maybe his next move will be somewhere out of the country.
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The mayor forgot to add "... to bad rubbish."
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Maybe he can declare himself a resident of another country and be done with it. Germany? Any takers?
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Trump’s moving to Florida for all the same reasons O.J. Simpson moved to Florida.
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Sorry Florida, but as a New Yorker, phew!
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This adds a whole new meaning to "Florida Man".
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When will Rudy Giuliani also finally leave New York City?
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The only place you'll be living, trump, is the gated community called "Maximum Security".
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No! Donald! Come home please! All is forgiven...
:)
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Florida will be Donald's new home
The place from which he’ll now and then roam
Maybe he’ll find folks there
To provide him with care
And treatment for his troubling syndrome
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@Larry Greenfield:
Not exactly at Larry Eisenberg level, but you have time to perfect your craft...a fun read though! Keep them coming on....
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Good riddance. What a cry baby. His daughter now compares her Daddy to Thomas Jefferson. Trump ought to go live with all those people who attend his entertainment rallies.
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Florida will be Donald’s new home
The place from which he’ll now and then roam
Maybe he’ll find folks there
To provide him with care
And treatment for his troubling syndrome
Another sniveling, whining comment from Trump...”because I was treated badly”.
I thought he was supposed to be so tough.
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What a sad sack.
All he has ever done, and can do, is try to con or squeeze an extra buck. For himself.
Everything can be leveraged for personal gain- even democracy itself and the United States' reputation as a beacon of hope.
Desire for money is his object of worship. And that desire is bottomless.
He must think more and more money will make him happy.
Then why is he so clearly miserable ?
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A guy who defrauded the govt out of hundreds of millions in estate taxes says he's been treated badly, that no one has ever been treated worse.
The ego on this clown.
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Will the self-pity ever end?
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Florida I am so sorry! New York does not want any Trumps don’t go back there! Well maybe you can live in Staten Island Donald!
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Given my druthers, I’d prefer Leavenworth, but I’ll settle for Florida.
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Great ... Climate Crisis in Florida with rising water levels, pollution, blue green algae, "fish and manatee killing" red tide ... a one of a kind pristine forest in South Florida will be bull dozed for a Walmart ... highways to no where ripping up forests and open land in North Florida ... and now ... we get Trump?
When is it going to end?
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Doesn't Mar-a-Lago close all summer? Where will poor Donald lay his head?
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Just like every other tax dodger and criminal.
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Why is that news? Happens all the time.
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Trump engineered the new tax code to punish blue states for note voting for him. That is his MO. Evil small minded bully.
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You got that right, Gov Cuomo. I am a New Yorker, transplanted to Greater Washington. I can’t imagine moving to FL for any reason, especially since a peninsula in a tropical area will be an increasingly unpleasant place to live as climate change worsens.
Yo, Trump— why not just resign and move down there now?
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This incident is a microcosm of how leftist shoot themselves in the foot. Demonizing the wealthy feels good,scores political points, perhaps signals particular virtues...but when the successful must spend more time protecting their wealth rather than creating more or are forced to flee, everyone ultimately looses.
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@Lane - what are you talking about? He doesn't pay taxes, has history of not paying employees (even stealing their actual pay due), doesn't pay his suppliers/vendors.
Looks like NY gains immensely by this decision.
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@Lane NY has not demonized Trump; he’s done that himself through his statements, actions, & policies. Frankly, his own efforts have achieved that far more effectively than anything NY could do.
The main thing at which he’s been successful is walking away from 6 bankruptcies (in *casinos*, no less!) with his personal assets intact while his investors took the fall. He’s also been successful at stiffing small business contractors whom he knew couldn’t afford the expense & time to sue him.
While I’m sure the super-rich appreciate your sympathy for the demands on their time required to protect their wealth (which the rest of us call prudent money management), be reassured that they hire people to do that for them. Surely you don’t want to put all those hard-working investment managers, tax lawyers, & accountants out of work!
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"a favorite of the wealthy for tax reasons" To me this headline shows definite bias against the wealthy. It could just as easily read: "a favorite of anyone with enough brains to want to save some tax dollars". We are a Republic comprised of a number of states with different tax codes and tax rates. If a US citizen wants to leave one state for any reason they are legally able to do so. If New York wants to have taxes so high as to drive out a number of citizens, especially the wealthy, to states that offer a better choice so be it. Don't make the headlines biased, just report the news.
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@marco7777 - you mean the "restructuring" of taxes specific to the detriment of blue states -- HE claimed as an accomplishment?
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@TC My comment has nothing to do with Trump. My comment referred to the biased headline concerning the "wealthy" in general and looking for a better state for taxes. The headline inferred that moving to another state to avoid taxes was a bad thing rather than something that was/is completely legal and smart depending on one's state of finances. Reporting should be non-biased.
Interesting he’s planning like a typical businessperson about saving on taxes in retirement. If he thinks he and his family will retire in peace, and not be subject to relentless lawsuits and indictments — as a result of the many enemies he’s made — he’s a bigger fool than imagined.
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How will he fulfill the 183 days annual required residency to become a full time member of our State?
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Rules don’t apply remember?
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@JanetL
Doesn't he spend just about every weekend golfing at Mar-a-Lago?
Everything Trump says is a lie, so why believe him now? Sure, money is his basic motivator, but currently, survival is likely more important. As things rapidly deteriorate for him, it's much easier to flee the country from PBI, MIA or via the ocean, than from LGA, EWR, JFK, SWF, HPN, or the East River. Yes, Donald Trump may just have leaked his personal plans.
On the home front here in Western New York, our insider trading, stock-manipulator congressman, Chris Collins, who admitted guilt and recently resigned, has likewise fled to Florida. He was the first Republican from Congress to endorse Trump in 2016, and has been licking his boots ever since. Collins' sentencing is scheduled for early 2020. So, did he flee to Florida for financial or survival reasons?
Within a few months, Trump and Collins will be forced to show their hands. No one should be surprised if they each change their respective residences again rather quickly.
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Surely, this is a pit stop in his search for a country with no extradition treaty, like Russia.
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For some reason the old Dan Hicks song, "How Can We Miss You When You Won't Go Away," keeps running through my head.
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Florida, no state income tax.
Florida, where you can file bankruptcy and keep your multi-million dollar home.
Florida, which has caused the biggest problems with shady election results from Gore to Hillary's mystery 1% loss in the state.
Of course, now Mickey Mouse will have to move.
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wonder if he told his wife...cue theme from green acres
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Florida is a tax cheat haven. The change of residence game must come to an end. We need a nationwide consistent and fair approach towards inheritance taxes. Otherwise our 50 states are in a race to the bottom with the 99% being the losers.
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Let him move to the Bible belt where we love him. I am sure he and his family would enjoy the heat and the weekend Bible classes.
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Good riddance, indeed! He knows once he leaves 1600 life in Manhattan would be untenable.
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Add to Trump's many titles: "Tax dodger in chief."
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Maybe he can start a Fantasy Government Park next to Disney.
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Instead of venting on the President, have the ungracious politicos of New York who are bending over each other to proclaim, "Good riddance!" asking whether Mr Trump is the most visible example of a trend since 1970 of New Yorkers fleeing tax-ageddon. The Empire State (and its blue satellites, NJ and CT) have all lost population every decade for the past half century. Doesn't that tell New Yorkers something?
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“I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse,”
What a thin-skinned little boy! Always the victim, in his mind.
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"Through it all, President Trump — rich, bombastic and to many Americans the epitome of a New Yorker — was intertwined with the city he called his lifelong home."
IMO Trump was the epitome of the "non-New Yorker." He is greedy but incompetent. He has no intellectual curiosity. No appreciation of the arts, music, nothing. He fits in with no identifiable group, apart from perhaps a media caricature of a stereotypical ignorant outerborough real-estate/slumlord/loudmouth.
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Isn’t that we’re old people go to die?
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We shall be curious to see which Russian Oligarch purchases the Trump Tower penthouse
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One other reason for Trump and his wife to leave NYC: they are both so thoroughly despised in Manhattan that they have very places where they could ever go out in public without righteous heckling trailing them every step of the way. What happened to them at the World Series game was just a foretaste of what their lives in Manhattan would become. The Trump Tower triplex would be their gilded prison. At least they have open spaces and a fawning circle of Trumpettes at Mar-a-Largo.
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Trump is a perennial loser, a leaver of things and people, a serial quitter who fails to learn, and thereby guarantees all chances of positive growth.
The very worst of America’s problems personified.
He’ll always desert/abandon his own actions and their consequences to maintain his fractured self-image.
“Good riddance” indeed.
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Good riddance indeed. Florida is exactly the place where Trump belongs.
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Not one word in ‘The Art of The Deal’ was written by Trump, so it’s shoddy journalism to use it as an attributable quotation source. The president literally ‘said’ nothing in the book. Stop it.
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So another old cranky New Yorker moves to Florida... sounds about right.
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How appropriate....He will be in his element ...back to the land of the swamps where he belongs.
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Cuomo's tweet was epic for its brevity on behalf of all New Yorkers, lol!
#goodriddance
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You have been treated very badly? You mean they won't worship you? because they know you too well?
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“I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse.”
You know what, Mr. Trump?
I, for one have been treated worse when I lost when YOU capped the SALT tax deduction to give your cronies a tax break. Tens of thousands of families in my tax situation have been treated worse.
You took the money out of MY pocket to give it to the Red States and the rich.
The city of New York who has been spending tens of millions of dollars to guard YOUR comings and goings and your real estate holdings - using OUR tax dollars - has been treated worse.
So STOP your infernal WHINING.
We New Yorkers are SICK of it and will be happy to see you go.
Bye, bye.
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Florida should mount a campaign to send Trump "Back where he came from!"
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NYC should confiscate the garish Trump Tower and remove it.
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Trumps Reasons to leave NYC
1. Taxes
2. FL Homestead laws
3. Inheritance laws
4. No more NY tax forms
5. Cyrus Vance’s tax history request
6. Not allowing Cyrus Vance to see your 2019 NY taxes because they’re more incriminating
7. Your own tax laws hurt you too
8. No one in NYC likes you
Reasons to stay
1. No one likes you and you like that
2. Katz deli
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He probably thinks SDNY cannot reach him in FL.
Any chance that he moves out of the White House?
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A line from a Somerset Maugham book, 'a sunny place for shady people,' has long been the unofficial motto of Florida. Its new resident certainly affirms that description.
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Perhaps Donald and his children will start a new cancer charity for children in Florida since they are bared from doing so in New York. Maybe a new "University" with his oversees "winnings" from foreign governments. His move is to keep one foot ahead of law enforcement officials in New York. New York still has a "Beautiful Place" for "The Chosen One" in Sing Sing Correctional Facility, should the law ever catch up to him.
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Yet another reason to never set foot in Florida.
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New York City and state have treated him very badly. Oh boo hoo! What a crybaby. Cuomo’s tweeted reply gave me a much-needed laugh — thank you, Governor! Lucky New York. Can’t wait till we can all say good riddance to the Trumps and our national nightmare. Everybody get out and work to remove Trump in 2020!!
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Trump is going to Florida for the same reason OJ did.
You see, Florida is that state where nobody can confiscate your primary residency in Florida.
He is just getting ready ahead of his come to Jesus moment when we the people get to claw back.
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Donnie don't forget to take Rudy with you. If that happened New Yorker would get two blessings. I doubt if Florida is big enough for Trump's ego. Donny is upset and wants to take his ball to Florida. See Ya!
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That really makes the most sense. Florida is probably the epicenter of his most rabid devotees. They have turned voter disenfranchisement into a new art form. Also... (fill in the blank with a joke about gators).
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And I thought Richard Nixon was the worst president to ever live down here ....
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Well as a lifelong New Yorker I remember coming to awareness of him - via the tabloids in the 80s.
Even then as a youth I thought, “who is this idiot? And why do I care that he cheated on his wife and now has a 20 something new bride?” (who he of course divorced)
It’s only now that I understand how highly highly demented he is - fully and completely and yet still I find difficult to fathom. The sheer and utter demented ness of a 70 year old child.
He is only a role model if you have craved dictatorship in America. This much he has tried, from every angle, to achieve. To some success and with terrific and zealous support of his frightened and lockstep Republican Party.
I know that his reign of wreckage will pass, and that we will have to pick up the pieces. But the question is, will Americans allow him to continue this till 2024? Or will they say, “Enough!”
I really, really, really wonder. I’m scared.
Go to Florida - go. But will this just mean a different base of operations for another four years of horror? Please no.
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Does he still get to shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it? Maybe on Worth Avenue.
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Good riddance. But that won't stop him for paying for the crimes he's committed in New York State.
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How appropriate. In future news, "Florida man ..."
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And then Florida will be hit with a few Cat 5 storms. What then?
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The whine of victimhood is never-ending. Of course, that borough plurality metric of 13% back in '16 didn't illustrate much luv for the MAGA myth either...
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'There are 8 million stories in the naked city,' and this is one that NYC should be happy to lose.
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"Florida Man" twitter is about to get a lot crazier, which is saying something.
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Given the political climate in this country it seems difficult for him and his family to move back to 5th Ave as if his presidency never happened.
I guess if I was exiled, I’d rather be in a country club than an apartment. He’s no Eloise
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Like a moth to a light, Florida attracts a certain type.... I look forward to reading a whole new type of "Florida man....." articles.
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@Doc Weaver I thought the same. The memes could be endless.
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@Doc Weaver I think you could say that about any state, but are you inferring that the people who live in FL are somehow inferior? If so, that is bigoted type behavior.
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@Doc Weaver
Does the same go for the other eight income tax free states?
Income-Tax-Free States
• Alaska
• Nevada
• New Hampshire*
• South Dakota
• Tennessee*
• Texas
• Washington
• Wyoming
* Has tax on dividends and investment income
And he's not alone. Nevada has seen an influx of California residents fleeing the state’s income tax for years.
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What he says about this move has nothing to do with his decisions. He is like others leaving to improve his tax situation, not because of Cuomo and DiBlasio. If things go the way they should, his residence should become a federal penitentiary where he serves a sentence for whatever charges can be prosecuted for using his office to further his own ends rather than furthering the country's security interests. When he is done with his time for that, he should spend some more time for the likely determination of his tax evasion and what might amount to racketeering charge in how he handled the real estate dealings in NY.
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This is terrific move for the President and others .
Russian Oligarchs can now save enormous costs on travel , lodging and contacts.
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Nobody who actually thinks believes that Trump is the epitome of a New Yorker once they know NYC voted against him by 9:1. I'm surprised he got that many honest votes.
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I used to believe I would remain in California until the end.
I'll miss the climate, but I won't miss the rest of it.
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@BDG it was pretty “synthetic” to begin with. :(
Good riddance. If I were the Governor of New York I would have the same thoughts. What has Trump accomplished other than to enrich himself at other people's expense? Seems to me Trump is now on the run by moving his residency to Florida. Just an educated guess, but Trump is going to be served a court summons from New York state for property and state tax fraud.
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Just another way for him to keep his money, not have his taxes released by the NY AG and he already knows FL AG not going after him.
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And for the love of God, do NOT allow a presidential library to be built in New York State for Trump. What would be in that library anyway? Tweets and bullet points, because Trump is so uninterested in anything but money?
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"Good riddance" is exactly right. We need to get over the idea that oligarchs are good for a location. They are not. They use their power to distort markets, and extract wealth from other segments of society. New York will be a better, richer, place without a welfare queen like trump.
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“I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse,”
Well, I certainly feel that I have been treated very badly by Trump AND his GOP pals. The problem is that I have no place to relocate to in the U.S. to get away from Trump because he and the effects of his decisions continue to haunt me daily.
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This is another tax avoidance scheme. He will massage, manipulate, deceive and deconstruct anything he can to avoid the public finding out about his refusal to pay taxes and his criminality.
We can clearly see his business and political machinations. We know he's not an honorable or even remotely intelligent man.
From this point on, we drag our feet at our own peril. This man will do anything to prevent his impending demise.
The times, and the truth, have found him.
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Trump changing his residence to Florida does not mean he has yet changed the states where his businesses are incorporated. This will be a pickle for him, because if he files to change where the business HQ is, it will draw even more scrutiny that he's currently trying to avoid.
Mr. Trump: please file to change which state your businesses are incorporated in. We need a good laugh.
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No need. They’re Delaware companies.
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Elba might have been a better choice.
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shame on Gov. Cuomo for saying "it's not like Trump paid taxes anyway." Who let him do that? I was once audited and dinged for $5.87 of additional tax and interest; it was almost a shock that NYS would go through all the time and trouble of a binder full of documentation for such a small amount. But they did. Yet Trump was off the hook?
Many New Yorkers will be hurt by Trump's new tax bill that eliminates SALT deductions. Not everyone will be able to relocate. It is shameful that Trump will do so. Repeal the tax act now.
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Florida deserves him. Congratulations New York!!
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Trump is just angry that the Attorney general of New York State may just win in the courts and show us all his forbidden to see income taxes and in doing that showing the world where and who his money comes from ....foreign Governments anyone?
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Trump’s planning his retirement.
Good idea.
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Trump can run & run, but he cannot hide. Trump probably believes that becoming a FL resident will save him from criminal tax evasion in NY. Hopefully, Trump will be back in NY soon with a new residence: Attica, Cell 69.
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There is one state that is going to enact a statewide holiday. And it won’t be Florida. Congratulations New York. Could you let us know what you did to get these results?
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It's always about the money and, of course, the lawsuit . . .
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Woe betide Palm Beach! Trump was NEVER liked in NYC, having been a pariah there for his entire life. Gov. Cuomo is right: GOOD RIDDANCE.
This move on Trump's part will not absolve him of the many crimes he has committed in the State. SDNY is on his fat tail and will hold him accountable for his swindles, money laundering, tax evasion and God knows what else within their purview.
We can all have a smile knowing that CLIMATE CHANGE will sink Mar a Lago in the proximal future and Trump will get his comeuppance one way or another. I think he should vacate his properties in other States too - they'll have cleaner air and less corruption without him. He's probably eyeing a new home in Moscow anyway.
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He can move but his tax liabilities and avoidance schemes will follow him. Crimes don’t just vanish because one moves. Lol
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In addition to wanting to dodge taxes, I think Trump is terrified to return to NYC on a full-time basis. He is a pariah in New York, disliked for bringing his ugly brand of autocracy to a nation that needed a leader and got a fraud instead. He may be able to pull off a MAGA rally west of the Hudson, but it will NEVER fly anywhere near the Big Apple. Good riddance, Trump. You were, are, and always will be a deplorable stain on the greatest city in the world.
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Gov. Cuomo is right . Trump is a stain on the fair name of Queens.
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I was born and grew up in Florida but also lived for many years in NYC. As far as I'm concerned he's not welcome either place. I will also add that during my years in NYC (84-98) Trump was considered a joke by most who lived there. He was a belligerent self-promoter, a braggart made of nothing but hot air, and a well known bully who regularly picked on women and people of color. His thin skinned pettiness was regular fodder for the NYC tabloids and he regularly came up in street conversation as a clownish buffoon who it was embarrassing to have "represent" the city. I mean, come on, he couldn't even win NY in 2016 because people there knew all too well what this urban rube was made of.
It seems he hasn't changed much in the time since, except now he wants to stain my home state with his bloviating style and criminal ways. The funny thing is the people of South Florida probably don't like him any better than the average New Yorker. Maybe if he moves to a trailer park a good distance from the coast he will finally find "his" Florida people, the kind who admire and see themselves reflected in the mirror that Trump is so found of gazing in.
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“I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse,” he said, describing his decision as the “best for all concerned.”
Boo hoo. Pass the tissues and the Visine. That's Ol' Donnie - playing the "victim" to the bitter end. Welcome to the Sunshine State.
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I wish NYC politicians had this attitude starting 50 years ago when it was plain as day the Trump's father was a criminal. Trump not only learned that crime pays, even though he still loses money like a sieve.
But politicians do what they do best and ignore the filthy rich until in this case one of them is now the POTUS.
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Well that's a relief. The further away the better. He couldn't go to a restaurant or event in NYC ever again without being heckled...neither could Melania. That's the reason they are moving.
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Has the party started yet? I imagine there are many, many, many New Yorkers who are happy to wash their hands of the Grifter-in-Chief altogether.
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Definitely a TAX DODGE from the FAKE PRESIDENT who doesn't have much of a fortune he didn't get (and not squander) from DADDY and he certainly didn't ever pay any REAL TAXES....
(Is that how he'd TWITTER it if it was anyone but him he was talking about?)
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Trump, the epitome of a New Yorker? Hardly! New York City is the most fascinating and tolerant melting pot in the world. It is difficult to conceive someone with his consistently intolerant, racist , xenophobic, views on immigration as having anything to do with our great city.
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His new domicile in Florida will be underwater in a few years due to climate change. You can't bully science.
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If he can't make it there...
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Is someone trying to find the presidential pardon loophole, since NY has close theirs?
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Please tell me he’s retiring.
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This isn't a tax dodge. It is hope that Florida won't extradite him to NY after he leaves office and a warrant is issued for his arrest for fraud.
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While New York and Miami will soon be underwater at least in Florida the water will be warm.
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Finally—
He also needs to vacate the White House.
And he can be arrested either in Florida at his Mar-a-Lago or in Washington when he vacates the White House.
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Pursuing him fiscally for his “move” to Florida is like prosecuting a serial killer on a parking violation.
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I say good for NYC, bad for Florida. Anything this film flam man does is to benefit himself at the expense of others. Look out Palm Beach.
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Ever the victim crying that the people of New York have been mean to him. He is all yours, Florida. NYC hasn't wanted him for many years. I hope NYC doesn't waste one second going after Trump once his debacle at the WH is over.
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This move is an indication that he knows he is likely to lose 2020 and thus will lose executive privilege protections, and that NY is seeking aggressive prosecution for just about anything Trump. Read this as he has commenced his run to escape, and planning his exile. NYers are now rejoicing to be rid of the parasite they have long spit on.
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is it a ploy to avoid all legal battle in the court of NY after the presidency? will it work? he did all crimes while in NY all his life
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In the city that I love midweek, I could already tell that the air quality was better. Good riddance, Donald Trump!
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This pathetic man is probably thinking that if he moves to Florida he will have less of a chance of being indicted by the Southern District of New York. He knows that hammer is going to come down as soon as he becomes a private citizen so perhaps he imagines that living in Florida he might see himself as being immune to prosecution. This is where actually knowing the law helps.
New Yorkers all over Manhattan are probably throwing parties this week knowing that they will not have to deal with Donald Trump , his lies, and his toxicity. But for the rest of us we still have to contend for a little longer with this current occupant of the Oval Office who has done far more damage than anyone would have thought possible in his 1015 days in office.
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. . . and thus opens a new chapter in the popular "Florida Man" series.
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Winter is near. Therefore, the winter white house. No taxes filed...
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He now gets to watch the impact of global warming first hand, as the shoreline slowly creeps up to his house. “Not in your backyard?” Hide and watch, Donald.
Trump's Louis XIV-"style" triplex on the 58th floor.
Louis XIV is spinning in his grave that his name is being used for the utterly gaudy version of a faux little Versailles this vulgarian built for himself.
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Gov Cuomo: Please keep in mind that we go high...
Does this free Trump from NY State income taxes? Does he think the Republicans of Florida will intercede to stop NY State from getting his tax records? That he could shoot someone on A 1 A and not lose one supporter? Does this get him closer to exile in some cozy South American redoubt should push come to shove?
A message from south Florida residents: we don't want you, Mr. Trump. Let us suggest a friendlier and more welcoming place of residence: Moscow. You'll be close to your good friend, Vladi, and you can use your combined wealth to buy Ukraine and a golf resort in Crimea.
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As a native New Yorker, I say good riddance.. My only hope is that he has to continue to make trips to Mew
York when he is finally out of office to answer depositions. Grifters always pack up and move
when things get too hot.
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Trump realized that Mar a Lago would be a more preferable place to be under house arrest than Trump Tower in Manhattan.
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Florida has been good to Trump.
Remember when he pocketed a $17,000,000 insurance payout when Hurricane Wilma knocked over a few trees at Mar-a-Lago? Plus, the state has been happy to look away when big construction projects have been done on his property without permits.
But fear not, New Yorkers who love him. When the weather gets bad, he'll be back.
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Good for New Yorkers, now they need not fear of getting shot on Fifth Avenue. Let Floridians worry about that. They'll probably cheer him for shooting up their streets, regardless.
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Can we finally tear down Trump Tower now and put up a much needed Duane Reade or Chase ATM lobby?
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Being a resident of Florida is convenient. It means he won't have to travel as far when he is transferred to a Florida prison.
The quintessential Florida Man.
Another advantage, Florida is closer to Argentina, historically a favored final destination for dictators.
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Go, just go already. Leave New York. We don’t want him.
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Now he is the ultimate embodiment of the “Florida Man.”
When New York sends its people to Florida, they're not sending their best. They’re sending people who have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with them. They’re bringing cheaters. They’re bringing crime. They’re women- grabbers. The people of Florida should build a wall to keep them out.
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Brilliant, sir! Muy bueno!
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So the climate-change denier in chief is moving to a resort much of which is forecast to be underwater in 20 years?
If Trump finds New York taxes burdensome, he probably is in debt up to his eyeballs
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The Ultimate “ Florida Man “.
Seriously.
I don't get it : is he not supposed to live in Washington DC, where he works ? Ha, OK, I get it...
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Florida welcomes him? Really? Which Florida?
“I believed, perhaps to an irrational degree, that Manhattan was always going to be the best place to live — the center of the world,” Mr. Trump wrote in his book “The Art of the Deal.”
Ms Haberman reports this presumably with a straight face. donaldtrump wrote nothing. donaldtrump is incapable of speaking like this. His ghostwriter Tony Schwartz is responsible for every word in this book, the book, unfortunately put him on the map.
Nitpicking but it should say top marginal rate, no one pays income tax at the top rate on all of their income.
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Have to also consider and add as a possible reason Florida’s unlimited homestead exemption in bankruptcy. There is acreage limits, and time requirements, but in the end it is unlimited. Creditors will not be able to touch the residence in FL, including all the solid gold toilets are attached to it.
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As far as being treated poorly by state and local officials, Trump was the beneficiary of repeated tax breaks, tax credits, and tax incentives for most of his real estate deals. His multiple bankruptcies were also borne primarily by the city and state of New York.
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You could have left out the part about Trump's being "rich, bombastic and to many Americans the epitome of a New Yorker". New Yorkers hate him. We are nothing like him, he is the epitome of the mob, not of the lovely people in the Big Apple. If we are bombastic it is real, if he is bombastic it is a put-on show meant to persuade. We are imperfect but we definitely have our good sides. (Once, a NYC cabbie returned the wallet I had left in his cab. He drove to my apt (address on my drivers license) and returned it. With all the $150 cash in it. True story). Yes, we have many good sides.. He has no good side, he is just a totally repugnant person. Those out there in the rest of America who think he is the "epitome" of a New Yorker don't know New Yorkers. You could have left this insulting phrase out of the article.
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Thank you, Judy, you took the words out of my mouth.
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@judy: Well said Judy. As a former NYer myself, he is NOTHING like any NYer I have ever known. My grandparents came to Ellis Island from Italy. Even his so called "mafia" act doesn't measure up. He is a fake, a loser, a grifter and a fraud. NY is most likely very happy to see him leave!
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this despicable excuse for a real man is running from the law on many fronts, this one in particular is him trying to get away from the NY State AG, as he is finally beginning to feel he may very well not make a 2nd term, blowing his chances at the statute of limitations 7 years helping him evade prosecution in NY, and getting out of having multiple indictments served to him, AND his corrupt family members.....I knew long ago that he would never return to NY as a 1-term'er ....
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Does this mean that his "presidential" library won't be built in Queens? Too bad; I really wanted to see his personally engraved copy of Art of the Deal.
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@stu freeman Wow, the Trump presidential library isn't something I had ever thought about before. Can you even imagine what that's going to look like? I'm reminded of that Ben Stiller movie where he uses his fortune to open the "Derek Zoolander Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too."
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@stu freeman
If they only include documents Trump has actually read, they can put it in a phone booth and still have room for a snack machine.
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Trump shouldn't get too, cozy with the idea of moving to Florida. After NY audits his tax records, prison is his mostly likely new la bode.
Trump has lived his entire life as a crooked con man. Becoming President was the worst decision he ever made. Being President means Trump lives his life in the public eye. Had he simply embraced his falsehood of the successful business man and worked the reality TV angle, he could have kept that falsehood alive. Now the world knows the truth of Trump and his dirty business practices.
Send the only message Republicans will understand. "Unemployment". Vote each and every Republican out of office. America has had enough.
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Florida- we all welcome him.
DC was never a good fit for the inveterate man of leisure.
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The Cayman Islands would have been a better relocation address.
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Tacky on both counts.
Not defending Trump, just sad to see everyone stooping to his tactics.
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@Mick
Politicians this bad deserve to be ridiculed. Perhaps New Yorkers and those in DC will want to tar and feather him as well. I think it would be entirely appropriate to send him and Flotus back to her country.
Maybe Baron could stay with his evil stepsister.
Convicted felons can only vote in FL if they agree to pay fines and fees. Trump - sure to be convicted the day he is ousted from the White House - never pays anything he owes. Therefore, is it safe to assume he won’t be allowed to vote in FL? Asking for a friend who works for the deep state ... :)
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On the bright side, can we assume his Presidential Library will also be in Florida? If so, when global warming - accelerated by his administration - floods that state, the library will be history.
That'll be a fitting end note to his regime, whoops, I mean administration.
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Florida gets just a little bit crazier, if such was even possible. And it's appropriately ironic his adopted home city is the nexus of fouled-up elections.
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Florida is the home of many retirees. Let’s make him one, too.
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Poor Trump, who continues to be the most aggrieved overprivileged white man in America. Unloved and unwanted even in his hometown, where his self destructive behavior turned him into a punchline.
As a longtime New York City resident, it was always offensive to hear Trump described as a typical New Yorker, that is, brash, loud and rude. Anyone who has ever lived in the city wouldn’t recognize these traits as normalized behavior there or anywhere.
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He's broke. He needs the money. Plus, he's got a captive fan club at Mar A Lago. He's toxic in New York. The social invites are non-existant.
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New York does not deserve Trump, after treating him so badly all the years. His move to Florida is a fair punishment for New York.
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@Mr. Newman
New Yorkers are elated that he's leaving. Even the Statue of Liberty was smiling in response.
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Actually- this should be no surprise....he is despised in NY particularly NYC...his ego could not handle returning and being hated by the average guy on the street. He currently only speaks to people or attends events where he is adored....welcome to the real world Donald...
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I just read Trump's Declaration of Domicile document. I wonder what a handwriting expert would say about his signature.
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Trump's desire to avoid taxes is no surprise. But I think another factor in his decision is his knowledge that the New York society from which he wants approval and acceptance and to which he wants admittance has repudiated him. Governor Cuomo's "good riddance" is an ugly and unnecessary--may I say, m Trump-like?--expression of repugnance at Trump.
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Trump has to spend 183 days a year in FL to establish residency.... He has to get an FL drivers license (in person process), register a vehicle there, etc. How will he do that while President?
New Yorkers rejoice; Palm Beachers groan.
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Once he's released from prison, he'll need to put a 183-day countdown clock on the wall of his 5th Ave. playpen to avoid the residency tax.
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Actually reporter Maggie Haberman is the true New Yorker, not he scoundrel Trump. She is a wonderful hard working journalist and the daughter of a legendary journalist, Clyde Haberman. By contrast, Trump is the son of a legendary crooked developer. What a contrast!
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Moving to Florida is quintessentially New York.
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The question of your tax returns still stands, sir, whether you relocate to Florida or Mars. You say you’ve paid “millions” in various New,York state and local taxes. Show us the money. We’ll wait; it’s what we’ve been asking for, after all.
And don’t be coy...you know you won’t get the parades, brass bands, and ticker tape from an adoring New York public upon your retirement. Mar a Lago will become your Xanadu, where you’ll live out your days much like Charles “Citizen” Kane.
Florida’s “gain” isn’t New York’s loss. Gov, Cuomo is right.
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Trump is showing a typical pattern. Escape to Florida when things get tough. Many”Florida Man” stories are based on transplants. I don’t recall Trump ever visiting the area during the summer. By the way, Trump International golf club is on land that is leased from the Palm Beach County Department of Aviation (long story). I am sure his move will wind up costing the people of Palm Beach County $$$$.
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I wish NYC politicians had this attitude starting 50 years ago when it was plain as day the Trump's father was a criminal. Trump not only learned that crime pays, even though he still loses money like a sieve.
But politicians do what they do best and ignore the filthy rich until in this case one of them is now the POTUS.
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I like my hometown better already. Anytime the garbage is cleaned up it’s an improvement. This is the first time I agree with BOTH Cuomo and DeBlasio
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You can run, Don, but you can't hide.
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l hope and pray this is a start for him , first good by NY, well come Florida and NOW GOOD BY USA and well come CUBA or who ever they want's this think, our country hopefully learn some lessons from this so coll president, if he stays 4 more years our country will be a 3 world country sad sad sad why because GOP still closing their eyes and turning their head, this is also their country why they do not want to see that TRUMP does not belong the WHITE HOUSE , even like a door man
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So, Gotham will no longer be home to the head of another crime syndicate.
Unfortunately, unlike the originals - Gambino, Lucchese, Genovese, Colombo, and Bonanno - who are sleeping with the fishes, we will still be exposed to the above-ground stench of this New York City born and bred capo di tutti capi.
Surely, the day can’t be far off when the US Constitution will cement him in its brilliant construction so that we who have been traumatized by his reign of terror, may finally Rest In Peace.
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Hmm, I thought he lived in Washington DC. Guess not.
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I have a better idea; he could get an even larger tax break if he moved to the US Virgin Islands. You just have to be there 180 days a year... Since he already thinks the USVI has it’s own president, maybe he could just resign and take over that role? (Shhh... don’t tell him it doesn’t actually exist). He loses US voting power and could spend his days sipping tropical drinks. A win for us all?
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We don't want Trump in Florida unless he is in one of our prisons!
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I can see the dancing in the streets throughout Manhattan from my roof top in Portland. Trump has given New Yorkers the very best gift ever.
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“I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse,”
My God, what a crybaby & whiner of the 1st order.
Here's the definition of Unseemly: Not in accord with accepted standards of decency or morality. That word says it all.
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Well, as a native of New York City, Trump does not speak with New York accent. He may either be considered a New Floridian transplant from New York, or acquire a fake Southern accent.
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Share my thoughts: with trump’s attitude as a climate change denier his precious mar-a-lago will be drowned as the ice caps continue to melt. Do not ask me or other tax payers for a rescue or help to recover his lost Atlantis.
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While I have never been in complete agreement with Gov. Cuomo about a lot of issues, he certainly nailed it in his tweet "Good riddance . . . It’s not like Mr. Trump paid taxes here anyway. He’s all yours, Florida.”
Great sentiment shared by many!!!!
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The news headlines should practically write themselves:
"Florida man found guilty on multiple counts of tax evasion in New York State court..."
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@Tim Ha, indeed; a perfect fit I think for the ongoing "Florida Man" series...
Lucky Florida. Now I know where I will no longer go.
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Someone should explain extradition to him.
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I’ll be checking these comments regularly. I have a feeling there are going to be some doozies!
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I bet he figures if he does this it will end his tax evasion problems in NYC. He's not too bright so that figures in perfectly. Let him go to Florida, they deserve him.
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Just another piece of crazy to add to what will eventually be your legacy: Gordon Gekko on steroids.
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Trump doesn't want New York residency...........
I suspect the feeling is mutual...........
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The people of New York sir, and I am one if them do not cherish you! You are a poor example for a human being and take deference to the point in the article that you and your antics epitomizes New Yorkers, they don't, we are a tough but compassionate people.
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Great move. Now NYers won’t have to worry about him shooting someone on 5th Ave and getting away with it.
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P.S. To most New Yorkers, Donald was always an object of ridicule and certainly not a typical New Yorker.
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Of course it's all about taxes.
But now that Trump is officially 'gone' there's no reason not to rename part of Fifth Avenue.
Barack Obama Avenue. Just do it.
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Trump is leaving because New Yorkers know him best of all and hate him. That’s really all there is to it .
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Hope he gets to join the many other retirees down there very soon!
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I will be interested to see how the chinese hoax that is climate change is dealt with by his lawyers - no doubt he will be summering in red tide and not held responsible or even conscious of any of the death and destruction his policies have wrought..
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So Trump thwarts the tax law and then takes advantage of it by moving to Florida. Has this guy ever done anything for "the good of the order"? Has he ever given a nickel to a homeless person? Has he ever done a kindness? New York Times: please research and get back to us.
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The presidential library is better suited to Florida, where there’s plenty of land to develop...though I did enjoy Staten Island’s recent pitch. I look forward to visiting it as undoubtedly many others will as well. Florida will benefit from all this new tourist money but I’m sure Andrew Cuomo could care less about that as well.
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If he has indeed paid “millions” in various New York taxes, and if that is the main reason he’s walking away in a huff, you’d think he’d be eager to prove just how “unfair” everyone’s been to him by disclosing his returns. But I bet an even bigger reason is he knows he will not get a hero’s welcome if he returned to New York, which has been on to his shadiness for decades. That, more than taxes, is what’s truly sticking in the man’s craw.
Citizen Trump will live out his retirement in his own Xanadu, reveling in his own glory and his own revisionist history while his fortune slowly dwindles — and as long as we never hear from him again after 2020, I think I’ll be good with that.
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@MDB - Not for anything, but I hear that Puerto Rico has an even more favorable tax rate. He could be farther from the lamestream press and we could be farther from him, and the indigenous population just loves him....
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Great, glad to see him go, to spend his twilight years in FL. Most New Yorkers will not miss his presence one bit. And the trump "empire" should be held to reimburse NYS for all the costs involved in capturing and bringing him back up here for his trials after he's out of office.
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The story written by Maggie Haberman misses the key point.
Do you think the Governor will get it? I think not. His wealthy tax base is leaving and has been for several years. That base includes businesses and wealthy individuals that pay millions in taxes annually. What is the back-fill for the lost taxes - immigrants requiring financial public assistance and health care?
Your point would make sense if we were talking about the rust belt - whose best days are behind it. But this is New York, which is constantly reinventing itself. The crusty old white folks are being replaced by a broader spectrum of residents.
And yes, some of those immigrants on public assistance will go on to start successful billion dollar businesses. And pay a lot of taxes.
It’s called change. Scary.
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Giuliani must be Trump's tax lawyer. My understanding is that, to qualify for Florida's favorite tax provisions as a resident, one has to reside in Florida at least half a year every year.
Thus, for the foreseeable future, The Donald will be paying NY State and city taxes. OH YES, HE MOST PROBABLY WILL BE PAYING A BUNDLE OF PAST TAXES, BECAUSE HE FUDGED COMPANY BOOKS FOR MANY YEARS.
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I don't believe we need to make more of this than it is. If I had his kind of money I wouldn't live there either. He's not the only wealthy man moving out, for good reason.
Would you live in a State you're not wanted? Spend your money elsewhere.
@PanchoVilla
Oh, to the contrary; I think we can make a great deal of this ridiculous excuse of a human being and his absurd gyrations to avoid responsibility and the clutches of state law. Karma and comeuppance linger just over the 2020 horizon, and it will be delicious to watch.
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Florida's homestead exemption allows someone in bankruptcy to keep their home if they have equity in it. It appears Trump may be planning for the future.
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@Christopher Davis - Putin and buddies probably
own Mar a Lago since trump might have refinanced it.
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To quote Oscar Levant: "Our loss is their loss."
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@Tom
Succinctly perfect.
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Exactly how is Governor Cuomo's Twitter message of "good riddance" any different in sentiment from the President's tweets about Democratic Congresswomen that so outraged the press last summer? The truth is, it isn't, and no governing official should ever tell a constituent such a thing no matter what political difference divides them. The Governor does nothing with his disparaging tweet other then lower himself to the level of the President.
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Like Trump, Maine's former deplorable governor LePage moved to Florida for the tax benefits. And now LePage is talking about running for Maine governor again. We implore both men to remain in the sunshine state. Perhaps they can buy up acres of waterfront property there.
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Don't we get a voice in this matter? Do we just have to accept him as a new 'resident' of our state? Maybe the GOP is right about the 'open borders' problem. I guess we will just have to take solace in the fact that his residence here will be temporary, until he is placed in a different government facility. And because he will most likely be pardoned of federal crimes, that facility will probably be back in NY State somewhere. The new revolving door.
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Taxes played a small part in Trump’s decision to declare Florida as his official residence. He has only visited his hometown only a few times since taking office. He declared Florida as his official residence because the people of the New York metropolitan area hate him, and they are not afraid to confront him with the truth.
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He can run, but he can't hide. His past will catch up with him and he will be brought to heel before the court.
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Presumably, the change of residency for DT will be temporary. After the 2020 election, and before the new president is sworn in, DT will no doubt change his residence to Russia to join Snowden because there is no extradition.
It will be interesting to see how well Putin welcomes DT when DT's money laundering and other financial misdealings with the Russians have been exposed and halted. When DT becomes more of a liability to Putin than an asset, Moscow may be much colder to DT than the weather would indicate.
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@Jdcolv - Saudi Arabia is toasty in winter.
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No doubt this is a move to try to evade NY investigations into his finances. It won't work. He will still be investigated.
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New York City will have a ticker tape parade celebrating the end of Trump there. Ah, but there are still 18 investigations pending. He can't avoid visiting.
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Just a tangential question: If Trump ends up being evicted from his 1600 Pennsylvania premises by way of impeachment, does he still get the Secret Service protection at our expense? And, if so, why?
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I wonder how much money Trump has generated for lawyers in the New York area over the years. On a similar note, how much court time and resources have been tied up by all Trump-related lawsuits in NY?
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New Yorkers made up Trump's mind for him. He can't appear in New York without being booed and treated rudely. There are consequences to planting hate, and Trump richly deserves all of them.
In Florida, on the other hand, Trump doesn't have to worry about street life and sidewalk vitriol. It is inside the limo from home to the golf course and back, and that's all he needs, which is fortunate for him because most people would despise those limits as a kind of gilded detention.
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Don't forget a stop at the drive-through at his chosen fast food meal of the day.
another reason people move to Florida for is retirement. I will take that if it means a saner Republican (an oxymoron) on the 2020 ballot.
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“I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse,”
Well, if few have been treated worse it's probably because few have been as terrible as this guy - across the board.
His "declaration of domiicile" is probably the best gift he has even given to New York and New Yorkers.
Besides, look on the bright side - the state of Florida is more prone to hurricanes than the state of New York. Anything could happen.
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You know as a Republican I liked the President but since then any appeal in Trump and the party has disappeared. It is all about appearance, achievements, corruption by conceited means. All I hear everyday is Trumps remarks about his accomplishments via Twitter and the scared party massively trying to paint a different picture. The party has lawyers who have become so corrupt that they don't seem to care about the law which they learned. As far as I am concerned Trump might as well move to Ukraine.
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Could this be a move to shore up Florida for the Presidential election? He won Florida last time and it’s a swing state. Maybe he thinks being a Florida citizen will help his election. Also, Florida has no income tax.
When Trump says he has "been treated very badly" what he means is that he has not been allowed to continue perpetrating crimes against the city and state.
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Having retired to the South, I'm continually amazed at the number of former NY/Mass/Conn/MD/NJ residents I've met that are essentially tax refugees. These Democratic state governments simply cannot grasp the idea that there's a limit to how much citizens will put up with. The notion that there's an unlimited tax ATM in the citizens' wallets is simply false. These folks are voting with their feet and the Democratic dystopias are clueless. My advice? Get out now...........
No thanks. I'll stay here. Taxes are a small price to pay for life here.
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Trump picked Florida because he wrongfully believes that there is no extradition to New York to stand trial for criminal charges.
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New York dropped the ball on prosecuting and convicting Trump for his criminal activity over the past 30 years, and now we're all paying for it. So pardon me if I think Cuomo's being a little flippant about this situation. I always think of New York as the place where people get done what they want to see done. Did New Yorkers ever really want to prosecute and convict Trump? I wonder if they wanted to look the other way, and hope to pick up the windfalls he left behind.
Stay in NY where the taxes are high and the political leaders hate him, or go to FL where there are not state taxes and the political leaders (many) do not hate. Hmm, tough decision...
After Trump has passed on to a forgiving place, Science should preserve his noodle for study.
Maybe then we can all understand what possesses a human being to denigrate so many other human beings without apparently realizing that every mock, every smear, every dismissal loses him a potential ally, casts him as a wretch, and assures he'll quickly be forgotten.
Trump thinks he's cool, impregnable, and, most tragic of all, a leader, for the very reason that he's a "perfect" architect of alienation.
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I'm sure it has nothing to do with the facts that Florida has no state income tax and one of the most generous sweetheart deals on inheritance tax.
Or perhaps he means to make his fortune on dunning the state and federal government on climate collapse high water invasion at Mar-a-largo, which sits at sea level.
What a fool he is to move to the one place that is going to get nailed with infrastructure collapse, first.
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He's broke. NY Times- follow the money trail. He's also put up the DC Trump Tower for sale; this is one of his few money making properties. Why would a person make these moves unless they needed cash? Florida law also permits a person to keep one property after they declare bankruptcy. This could be his 7th and final bankruptcy.
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Closer to Argentina, for his eventual retirement.
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Florida is also a State in which a persons home cannot be seized in a personal bankruptcy. Maybe Donald Trump is hedging his future.
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If Trump is so fabulously wealthy, who does he feel compelled to move to Florida to avoid paying taxes? You don't see Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos moving there, and they have much — MUCH — more money than Trump. Let me guess: He's not so rich after all. Surprise, surprise!
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Has this man any principles? Is his behaviour governed by other than money?
All anyone has to do is Google “Trump US Open” to see exactly how New Yorkers have ALWAYS felt about Trump. Given my few experiences of Florida, Trump has really always been a Floridian at heart.
Of course he’s leaving because of tax reasons but I’m sure for other reasons as well. Why would he live in Manhattan where everyone hates him and the state does not vote for him? Florida supports him. It’s a good place to retire which, if there’s a god, he’ll be doing in 2020. It’s easier for him to get to the links. Good riddance to him. I used to see him when he came to my bank looking for bankruptcy financing. He was held in contempt and was a relentless bloviator even then.Ugh, good luck Florida.
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His fellow Floridians will be none to happy with their new resident once there is no money for Social Security or Medicaid.
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The state financials should improve without the biggest tax leech that ever existed out of the state.
The welfare king of New York.
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Mar a lago will be underwater in the near future. So it will be back to Trump Tower to await its submergence.
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Trump is moving as far away from the District Court in the Southern District of New York as he can.He is already listed as defendant number 1 in the case against Michael Cohen,his fixer who is now in jail.
Of course it is all about the taxes.
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Tax reasons, yes, but how many New Yorkers would love to give him a Bronx cheer, if encountering him in public? He can't handle the truth — Fifth Avenue and NYC don't want him either.
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By this move, Trump will be able to witness firsthand the destructive effects of climate change and rising sea levels. A harden man made climate change denier, he may return NYC as a climate change refugee.
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The Census Bureau reports that New York’s population fell by 48,510 in 2018, despite a large influx of legal and illegal immigrants. New York could lose up to two congressional seats when it is reapportioned in 2022.
This is a typical Trump move (literally and figuratively). Relocate to a state where you pay no taxes. Now how about really making it formal and moving there now rather than waiting for your impeachment. You probably can even make a deal with Mike Pence to pardon you!
Bet you he spend summers in New York. Golf in Florida's heat and humidity can be brutal, especially for someone carrying around a few extra pounds. I also predict Melania gets the Trump Tower apartment in the divorce.
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If he wanted to punish New York for his bad treatment, he'd remain a resident.
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And, in a single bound, Mr. Trump raises the intelligence level of both states!
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@Sera
Nice burn!
(if you haven't already, you should go to work for one of the late night show comedy writing teams)
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Trump should stay; Cuomo should leave.
The more one knows about Trump and his history (personal, intimate, business dealings, politically), and the more interactions someone has of him in-person, the less he is liked, trusted or respected - and understandably so.
Trump is the school yard bully that runs around spitting on the other kids, kicking in the groin and sucker punching them, but then who cries piteously to the teacher when he finally gets his comeuppance.
'He claims he has been treated so badly by political leaders' in NY, but never considers that this "bad treatment" is well-deserved.
At this point, many subcontractors in the NY area refuse to do business with him, given how often they have been stiffed.
His campaign, despite taking in millions in campaign donations, stiff city governments so often, many are now asking for the payment of the extra costs associated with his campaign rallies (extra law enforcement, etc.) be paid up front.
He is a weak, thin-skinned bully who lies incessantly, so dramatically more than any other politician, he has a wikipedia page dedicated to the unprecedented number of variable lies he has told, on camera no less - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
By the values normally espoused by his supporters in every other context, it makes no sense they support this "man" so lacking in character, so whiny, childish, mean-spirited and petty.
American Citizens abandoning Patriotism to be blind acolytes in Trump's Cult of Personality...
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He will still only be here for the season. Florida is still 6 months and a day but Mara Largo is still a business not sure how that legally qualifies as a residence. Feel sorry for the Jupiter Island folks. Watch out he’s coming your way. All of the pro golfers live here as well as his golf course.
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He should find a welcoming cohort of other seventy-somethings who do a lot of ranting and complaining about their disappointing children and changing times for early-bird dinners at bad restaurants.
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"Behind every great fortune lies a great forgotten crime."
- Honore de Balzac
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"Good riddance"? I can think of no politician who is more detestable and incompetent than Andrew Cuomo.
The subways, for which he is responsible, stink, the streets are crowded with Uber-like vehicles used by people seeking viable alternatives, his Buffalo initiative is an expensive bust, and look at the horrible job he did when he headed HUD.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2008/08/05/andrew-cuomo-and-fannie-and-freddie/
Cuomo practically, singlehandedly caused the housing and mortgage crises which led to the collapse of banks and the implosion of the economy resulting in the Great Recession.
This whining miscreant has had the job of governor for over 8 years. His closest associates are in jail, on their way to jail or indicted. The man has not ever done anything right. How are his new casinos doing? I can think of only one worse governor in my lifetime and that was his father Mario.
He put up a new, needless, ugly replacement for the Tappan Zee Bridge so he could name it for his daddy.
He has barred a natural gas pipeline between New York and New Jersey.
He has prohibited fracking for oil on the NY-Pennsylvania border while PA fracks like crazy on their side earning big bucks and producing energy.
He has ordered the closure of the zero-emissions Indian Point power plant which provides NYC and Westchester with huge amounts of energy by 2021.
The politician to whom I would most like to wish "good riddance" is Andrew Cuomo.
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@MIKEinNYC
For just about every issue you cite, there are major reasons that most people agree with for the decisions he made.
Fracking? Really?? It contaminates ground water and the amount of crude it produces is microscopic compared to our overall demand.
The Tappan Zee bridge was at the end of it's engineered life span, so I suppose you'd rather wait until a piece of it gave way plunging a few cars into the Hudson before anything was done. Oh, but at least then you'd have another reason to pillory the Governor who was in office when it happened.
For what it's worth, I hate Cuomo too (I voted for Teachout in the last primary), but at least I can admit when he does something necessary and useful.
BEST NEWS TO WAKE UP TO , GOOD RIDDANCE ! we don't need a monster living among us ! well, may be now he has no choice but showing his tax returns to the States --proving he DOES NOT stay in NY/ NJ area more than 180 days yearly.
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Oh, wonderful. Stephen Miller will be designing Florida voting booths now.
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Let's all hope that he has to change his permanent residence to a Federal Prison.
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NY isn’t picking on Trump. That’s silly. The state treats anyone who earns over $50K annually and owns a residence with equal contempt.
No more “king of the hill, top of the heap, a number one” (though it would make a lovely inmate number, SDNY).
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Will he sell his condo at Trump Tower? Or list it as a bed/breakfast, VRBO? Could earn him some much needed cash.
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The only reason he ever stayed was to collect on the $40 million in tax breaks that his daddy negotiated with New York City on Donald's behalf.
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It's hard to top Governor Cuomo's tweet, but we really should finish it appropriately: good riddance to bad rubbish.
And no article describing where Trump spends his time is complete without mentioning that he has spent 224 days @Golf courses during his administration, at $110 million cost to taxpayers.
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@common sense advocate
I certainly like your "finished" version better.
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Did Melanie move her residency too? Or are they now officially living apart?
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Taxes indeed. No doubt to shield himself from prosecution for tax fraud in NY, and to provide him a way to keep his NY tax returns secret. I’m not sure how that works, in fact I’m sure it wouldn’t work for the average citizen, but I am sure we’ll find out how it works for the rich and powerful.
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Trump's taxes are definitely the reason he's leaving NY.
He can't afford to stay there since the changes to the tax code and he can't write off as much.
Moving to Florida won't spare Trump prosecution from tax fraud in NY, along with charges for lying to banks, falsifying financial documents, etc. And State charges can't be pardoned away by the president.
Trump can run, but he can't hide.
Vote Democratic in 2020.
Every office, every seat.
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@Andrew
Not communist. More like Sweden/ Denmark/Norway.
Are any of them Communist?
No, they aren't.
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@Andrew
How do you feel about Trumps relationship with Putin?
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@Andrew All due respect, until you take realistic, firm efforts toward better educating and informing yourself, and see more clearly the natures, degrees, and often, blending(s) of capitalist, socialist, and communist maintenance of societies pleased reconsider articulating your viewpoints. Until then, you maintain a risk of offering opinions which appear to be poorly thought out. A number of potential services are available: consider PBS, NPR, a university course or two, local libraries, a variety/cross section of related publications. Al Jazeera is an option in reporting of international conditions and events. Do some introspective thinking: as yourself, for example, what do I really mean when I think of or use the word(s) "communism" or "socialism"? Take a moment to break away from your opinions to journey into facts based on reasonably objective research.
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It makes no difference where Trump’s declared residency is: he can direct his Administration in his as usual manner from any location as long as he has access to social media and a toilet upon which to compose his Tweets.
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This sort of remind me of the old broken window policy, removing visible signs of crime to prevent more crimes from happening.
Most of us celebrated the day his name was taken down in the Central Park skating rink and many are hoping that his name is removed from everything forever. I personally would like to see Trump Tower renamed "The Central Park Five Building."
While it's true that losing rich people for taxes, losing toxic rich people who get away with cheating on their taxes, that's a case of cleaning up the city.
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@Edward Crimmins
I agree.
People, usually red staters, love to bash California or New York as too taxing for wealthy people who are leaving for Texas if they’re from California or Florida if from New York but many aren’t paying the same percentage of total income in taxes as the average person anyways due to egregious loopholes or outright cheating. And they’re often libertarian if not outright Republican in their stubborn selfish opposition to the progressive reforms the state’s people want to bring to pass.
Cut those toxic roadblocks loose and let them cheat, ripoff, and obstruct another state. We’ll make due, we always have, and if it means a bit less toxic capitalism, we’ll be better prepared for the inevitable future its bringing anyways. What makes California special is its natural beauty and independent freethinking spirit, not hoards of material goods and piles of cash. A few less toxic millionaires and billionaires meddling in our shared affairs would do us all good. Good riddance indeed!
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I had no idea Walman Rink no longer says Trump! Woohoo, I can go back to patronizing it now!
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@left coast finch
True enough but you maybe are not aware that the toxic politics that has destroyed the nation for the last 50 years is born and bred in California. The evils of using propaganda, miseducation and otherwise using deceit to "win" votes then lying about what you are doing in office as you pass laws that take apart the system taking it away from the people is all from CA. Think of the movie "Chinatown". That real evil being depicted never went away after they got the water. It just turned its eye to other projects.
He should probably be looking for someplace to retire that doesn't have an extradition agreement.
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@June That would be China?
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It’s made sense for a long time given income taxes and asset protection.
However, Florida will still honor a criminal extradition request.
Another elderly NY resident moves to Florida.
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@Brad Why did OJ move to Florida? Protection of assets from civil case awards.
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What else would anyone expect the nation's leading tax dodgers and scam artists ?
I know....this makes him 'smart' according to Trump and his supporters.
But this 'legal' tax dodge represents everything that is wrong with America's state and federal tax codes that allows Reverse Robin Hoods to hide their money from the common good.
Elizabeth Warren's wealth tax makes more and more sense for America's broken taxation system that is chronically evaded and underfunded by the gilded class (although Trump's actual personal wealth is clearly not as much as he pretends it to be).
Tax rates need to go up in this country so we can pay for a decent civilization...and the rates especially need to increase on the wealthy tax-dodging grifters and Florida tax evaders..
The 0.1% GOP Welfare Queen Programs must stop.
November 3 2020
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@Socrates
the best...and most accurate comments posted here. period.
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@Socrates, the bigger problem is all the tax loopholes. Many people make millions and don't pay any income tax because of deductions, shelters, etc. And now with the new Republican tax scheme, many wealthy people can form LLCs and pay at the lower corporate tax rate - raising the individual rates won't affect this. Beefing up the alternative minimum tax and cutting the loopholes are big items.
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@adam stoler
That's how we paid for WWII, highter taxes. And we had more deductions too.
We have 17+ years of war to pay for not to mention the rape of the planet with the possible reduction in O2 as a byproduct of that, thanks EXXON.
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It's a tax dodge--nothing else.
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This move will certainly not endear him to prospective jurors in New York, although I doubt if too many were enamored with him prior to this "cut and run" effort. Too bad Putin did not offer a dacha on the Sea of Azov.
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@The Lone Protestor
How do we know that Putin hasn't?
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@The Lone Protestor oh no problem, believe me, we are thrilled to see him go!
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Standard move for fraudsters everywhere: Buy the biggest and most expensive house in FL, declare that your "domicile," file for bankruptcy.
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@Ed The Rabbit
He has been morally bankrupt for decades.
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Florida does not have a state income tax. NYC residents pay both state and city tax. He will have to pay New York state and city taxes in 2019 for the months in which he resided there. Because he will be earning income in the state and city of New York after he changes his domicile to Florida I believe he will also have to pay taxes on that income.
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He admits to the obvious tax angle.
I suspect this is part of the legal strategy to fight against the requirement that pols running for office show their federal tax returns to get on the ballot in many states.
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The tax deduction for state and local taxes was not repealed in the 2017 tax bill. It was capped at $10,000. In addition, high-earning taxpayers weren’t getting the benefit of the deduction if they were forced to use the AMT calculation.
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Perhaps with the many minions he has in Florida, he will declare himself king and the state his kingdom. All trumpeters can move there and Florida can secede. They can enjoy the swamp together as climate change intensifies.
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PLEASE DO MOVE TO FLORIDA !
There would be less chance of me breathing the same air that you breathed.
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Sorry Florida, Now he is your parasite.
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Being a CPA specializing in income taxes, I would recommend to my clients, think twice about living in NYC let alone NY State. The income tax burden, even with the former federal income tax deduction for SALt and the interaction with the alternative minimum tax, was a significant economic cost that could be minimized by telecommuting. Living in another state (e.g., Florida) reduces the burden for reporting income earned in other states. People are leaving these states because of income taxes. The government authorities just do not tell you.
In Trump's case, it is more than income taxes, it is all of the other costs (secret service) that will be saved because of the surrounding complexities.
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I live in a high tax city. I would not want to move to some boring place like Palm Beach. There is more to living than tax avoidance.
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@John Samore, Jr.
Another argument for restoring the system we had before de-regulation which worked to equalize things across the country and prevent these sham moves to steal money from the people.
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@John Samore, Jr. - no state income tax in Florida.
Private schools are expensive.
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While I am willing to believe that tax levies played a role in trump's move, my first reaction was: Oh, so he is moving to a state which is known far and wide for its generous treatment of the bankrupt.
By moving to Mar A Lago full-time, trump ensures that he will control his primary domicile during a bankruptcy.
The only head-scratcher is that he may spend all of his years in "retirement" in one court or another and most of those actions will be in New York...unless he is able to plead for changes of venue in each/every case. He is likely to accumulate quite a few "free" air miles...he may well sell them to Melania at a discount.
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Put all politics aside and the simple fact is that it millions are moving from cold, grey, high-tax states to warm, sunny low tax states. It’s a no brainer.
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@ehillesum
And, in the absence of so much as a thank you, those of us in the "cold, grey high-tax [blue] states" are pretty sick of carrying the hot red states, the white populations of which are disproportionate users of all "liberal" social programs (and who vote against their own self interest.)
Its; a no-brainer."
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@ehillesum - Yep, just in time to see many of those nice warm cities slip under water.
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@ehillesum
And soon finding they've moved to sunny high-tide states, too. Call it a "NOAA brainer."
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Finally! So hopefully, 56th st will reopen to traffic between 5th and Madison and the NYPD personnel will be reassigned to actually do something more useful than blocking pedestrian from walking on the sidewalk alongside THAT building.
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Maybe he did this on the advice of his lawyers. Would it be too much to hope that he's thinking about retirement.
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@Jim
He realized that Mar a Lago would be a more preferable place to be under house arrest than Trump Tower in Manhattan.
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New York tax authorities will continue to pursue Trump to pay state taxes for a while no matter that he has declared Florida to be his residence. He still gets money from New York, has property there, and hasn't put his Trump Tower unit up for sale. (The Trump Tower unit will go for a much lower price than Trump would want because his misconduct in office has cheapened his brand.) Thanks to the Trump tax cut, he can't deduct much in the way of New York city and state taxes, so he wants to move to Florida to escape the conequenes of his own actions. BTW, he still doesn't physically reside in Florida, so he should pay District of Columbia taxes.
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@Edward B The next person to call Trump's apartment home is going to have to burn a lot of sage to cleanse all that negative energy. I think I'd have an easier time sleeping in a house where someone died.
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Cuomo’s good riddance comment get Trump off the hook for any tax pursuit. Any taxpayer can use Cuomo’s good riddance comment as carte Blanche to move to Florida and quit paying New York taxes.
As a resident of NYC I am thrilled at this news. Hopefully he sells Trump tower also so that the tax payer is not constantly paying for all the police that are protecting it even when he is not in town.
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@Tim
Better yet, maybe they'll tear it down.
When I and a friend went to NYC in 1986 for the Statue of Liberty celebration, my friend wanted to visit Tiffany's. When we were standing across the street from said store, my friend said, "Oh my God, what an ugly building." I asked her, "What, Tiffany's?" She replied, "No. Trump Tower. That thing is hideous. I feel sorry for Tiffany's."
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I assure you paid taxes to the state at least indirectly. Payroll taxes (there is no to avoid these), state income tax paid by his NY employees, unemployment taxes, and real estate taxes.
He’s not the 1st to leave and won’t be the last wealthy person to leave for Florida. Moving to Florida yields an easy, big fat tax cut for those who do.
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Unmentioned in all this continuing Trump fraud is that Florida protects homestead property from lawsuit recovery (i.e., it is the millionaires tax haven for ill-gotten gain and bankruptcies). In effect, Florida will stymie collection of debts owed as a result of legal suits by exempting value of a 'homestead", however large.
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Of course, a state with no income tax ( assuming he was going to pay taxes...)
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I am not surprised. NY has some of the highest taxes in the country.
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@Steven Gordon
And we've got some of the best of everything else, to boot. Worth every penny we pay.
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It’s not about the taxes it’s about keeping his principal residence, Mara Lago, after he’s forced into bankruptcy.
Florida law makes one’s principal residence off limits to creditors, no matter how much it’s worth.
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Way too funny!
This reminds me of celebrities who say they'll move to Canada if the election doesn't go the way they want.
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Thank goodness. He's preparing for the very near future, retirement.
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Also a bankruptcy strategy, no?
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We can boycott vacationing in Florida, Disney World, etc. And since Florida is a swing state, there are plenty of Democrats willing to do just that.
But I feel for the Florida residents. Yep. He's yours now.
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To borrow from Will Rodgers:
When Trump leaves New York for Florida, he will raise the intelligence, and class, of both states.
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As Seinfeld said, "He didn't really want to, but he's over 65, and it's the law."
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“ Few have been treated worse”?? Few have acted worse.
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"to many Americans the epitome of a New Yorker"
Really? I thought they all think of us a "coastal elites" and "snobs" trying to "tell them how to live." At least that's what the rest of the punditry tells me.
Unless, of course, you're speaking of a very specific type of New Yorker as portrayed in Hollywood movies by such luminaries as, say, Marlon Brando.
In any case, we gave him a great parting gift in 2016, a nine to one defeat. Too bad the rest of the country didn't listen to us.
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There was no need for this article. Trump is a terrestrial embarrassment. As a lifelong New Yorker, oh, except for the year I spent in South Vietnam while Trump drove around New York in his Cadillac with the DJT vanity plates, I, like Governor Cuomo, am glad to have him gone.
P.S. I wonder how painful it was from Trump to use his feet on the gas and brake pedals of that Caddy ?
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@John Taylor
He drove his own car?
I thought he had been chauffeured since birth.
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@Roxie - will he qualify for a Florida driver's
license?
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Look at it this way. This may not be the smartest move regardless of tax or political considerations. The Climate Change Denier in Chief’s property will be gone when Florida sinks beneath the rising seas in a few years. Of course, unlike most of the Floridians who supported him, he will just get on his jet and fly to higher ground. What’s the elevation of Moscow?
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I wish his changing residency meant he was leaving the White House and resigning from the Presidency.
But something is wrong if he can just file a document and his residency is changed. He lives in Washington D.C. at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. That is both his primary residence and place of business. How can he choose another place just because he has property there too?
He lied on his Declaration of Domicile on which he stated he "resided" there. Is there nothing this man won't lie about?
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After he loses the White House Trump won't have to worry about his next residence. The courts will decide where he lives.
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Taxes are the reason, followed by the hatred nearly all NYers feel toward this malcontent. He knows he's equated to a feral cat, messing in every corner. Booed at baseball games would be least problem of his public appearances in the Big Apple. Absent the protection afforded the president, he's alone except for leeches making a living off him. Moving domiciles? Usually an emotional burden for most. But for this man, who has no emotional attachments to anything or anyone, except his ego and listing on the world's richest, it's a cheap price paid by a bankrupt soulless man.
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@george
He gets Secret Service protection for his lifetime.
He would be happier there (if there were anything about him that seemed capable of happiness).
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To read the Times comment writers this is such a good thing, only he is not the first nor the last wealthy New Yorker to leave. Now who will replace all the revenue lost to pay for all these pie in the sky liberal ideas new jail 8.7 billion new bike lanes 1:7 billion money for illegal immigrants. I myself while not as wealthy will be joining many of my friends in35 months leaving NYC for lower taxes my account said the best thing you could do is leave I will save 50 to 70 thousand a year that pays for a lot of hand outs.
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@EAH
“I myself while not as wealthy...”
OK so you’re not as wealthy as Trump but you’re wealthy enough to save $70K just in taxes alone? That’s twice what the average American earns in a year. Sounds pretty wealthy to me.
So why are you waiting 3 years to leave NY?
I’ll bet it has something to do with money. That Florida tax break just doesn’t make sense right now for some reason.
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This seems to be all about avoiding financial scrutiny as to Trump's taxes and whatever else that may uncover, at least from 2020 forward. Since Florida has no income tax, there will be no Florida tax audits. And, the IRS is controlled by Trump and apparently is doing nothing to meaningfully audit his apparent tax fraud. So that leaves NY to audit his taxes up through 2019. I am not sleazy enough to think of something but I feel certain Trump's attorneys will try to argue that since he is no longer a NY resident, "presidential immunity" protects him from NY's investigation.
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@Jonathan
Even Michael Cohen was directing investigators to look at Trump's financial and tax reporting!
Trump uses one set of figures to value his properties and income for the IRS and vastly different figures for applying for bank loans.
Isn't this called "fraud"?
Are the banks laundering money?
Cohen says Trump's been doing it for years.
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@Jonathan
MSNBC and Joe Scarborough and his wife pull that scam by declaring that their studio is actually in FL, not NY, where they actually film and would be obligated to reveal to the public if they were actual news people. https://pagesix.com/2019/01/26/the-tax-strategy-behind-joe-and-mikas-florida-studio/.
So it very clearly is a tax dodge, done by even the most ardent Democrats.
Unlike Joe and Mike, Trump voluntarily spends so much time golfing in Florida that he might was well live there.
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@Jonathan So far the courts say there is no presidential anything protecting Trump from state investigations, just as there was nothing protecting Nixon from being convicted of tax fraud.
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Trump probably made the decision to change his legal domicile because he thinks erroneously that he can't be extradited back to NY or the change will present a obstacle in the current NY investigations. I assume that he presently doesn't pay much tax in NY.
However, declaration of domiciliary is only one item that is considered for a change of domicile. Others include: (1) State of driver's license (2) Voter's registration card (3) state of automobile registration and (4) contacts with state. In Florida a homestead exemption requires 180 days of physical presence in the state. To have the benefit of Florida's generous bankruptcy protection, Trump would have to be a resident for 720 days, so maybe he is preparing for his next bankruptcy. Final thought, it is very difficult to claim residency for a military person who happens to be stationed in Florida - this seems like an analogous situation.
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@C222.17
Hi Concerned Citizen: Florida Statute reads:
"Manifesting and evidencing domicile in Florida.—
(1) Any person who shall have established a domicile in this state may manifest and evidence the same by filing in the office of the clerk of the circuit court for the county in which the said person shall reside, a sworn statement showing that he or she resides in and maintains a place of abode in that county which he or she recognizes and intends to maintain as his or her permanent home.
(2) Any person who shall have established a domicile in the State of Florida, but who shall maintain another place or places of abode in some other state or states, may manifest and evidence his or her domicile in this state by filing in the office of the clerk of the circuit court for the county in which he or she resides, a sworn statement that his or her place of abode in Florida constitutes his or her predominant and principal home, and that he or she intends to continue it permanently as such.
(3) Such sworn statement shall contain, in addition to the foregoing, a declaration that the person making the same is, at the time of making such statement, a bona fide resident of the state, and shall set forth therein his or her place of residence within the state, the city, county and state wherein he or she formerly resided, and the place or places, if any, where he or she maintains another or other place or places of abode.oncerned Citizen
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Do you believe Trump can drive a car?
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New York should declare a public holiday now. Then, once Trump is out of the White House via resignation, impeachment and conviction, or vote, we as a nation can all inaugurate a new National Barbecue Day, "the day Trump's blank is finally fried."
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@C.L.S.
Thanks CLS. You just put me off hot dogs for the rest of my life.
If Trump thinks New York is the only place that treats him "badly", he's not listening. There are 49 others that can't stand him, either.
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(Of course, the only way this buffoon listens is to himself.)
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Maybe he can get an appropriate sendoff from New York if we all sing a slightly altered version of the classic Roy Rogers theme show to him:
"Happy trials to you..."
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Just one more added to a long list of wealthy people fleeing a high tax and low quality of living region.
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So basically after six bankruptcies, Trump is finally admitting he can't make it there.
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@Mark
Exactly right. New York is for winners. He's going to the land of retirement to circle the drain.
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@Mark
And we sing this refrain to SDNY:
"Come on, come through, New York, New York!"
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@Mark
There are heaps of great comments today, but yours is
spot-on wittiest!
Thanks!
Will be stay there for 6 months and 1 day like everyone else is required?
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“I believed, perhaps to an irrational degree, that Manhattan was always going to be the best place to live — the center of the world,” Mr. Trump wrote in his book “The Art of the Deal.”
Riiiiight. Trump "wrote" that book. He displays his mastery of prose each day for all the world to see, 280 characters at a time.
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Like the Burmese python, another invasive species takes up residence in Florida. My condolences to the Sunshine State.
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It will all be moot if his address is that a federal prison after he gets out of office
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If we can convince him to keep going, maybe Slovenia, it would be perfect.
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Such a baby. If he wants to change domicile, just file it and move on like any other normal adult.
What disturbs me are the number of people who still support this damaged and disturbed person.
Generally like the policies or stances? There are better options in the Republican party without the horrid behavior traits. Find someone else.
Now we wait for the inevitable future whining that the officials of Florida have been treating him horribly, worse than anyone in history.
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President Trump wants a thank you for paying his taxes.
He is merely thinking of himself again.
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Should give Carl Hiaasen some new material.
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@Dan88
Chemo meets Trump.
I can’t wait.
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Trump has treated NYC people poorly, using bankruptcy as a wealth building tool, fronting a fake nonprofit that had to be shut down, hiding his tax returns, and firing immigrants for political reasons, to name just a few “bad” things he did. Of course he only gets invited to his own cocktail parties! The gilded emperor’s clothes are invisible to New Yorkers. No tears for DJT.
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A corrupt official changes the laws to benefit himself. He changed the tax laws to eliminate the state and local tax deduction. We don't know anything about his taxes except his move to Florida eliminates the need for him to use the deduction of state and local taxes from his return. That his true corruption changing the rules to make/save money for himself. That is true corruption, corruption, corruption!
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I think Andrew Cuomo got it right. Good Riddance. I doubt many residents of New York are sad to see the tax cheat and buffoon gone One can only assume that Trump knows he is about as popular in his home state as leprosy. You also have to believe as the in depth multiple investigations into his taxes (or lack thereof) are giving him severe jitters that when people know the truth about his cheating ways; he will be even more scorned and ostracized than he is now. His ego could never handle that kind of rejection. Poor Florida.
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FLA. no problem. Cut school funding to pay for donnies increased security costs.
Its the republican way.
New Yorker's are currently dancing in the street over losing the traffic jams due to his eminence.
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I have also left NYC, after over 2yrs, because any good area to live in is ridiculously expensive and even people who make a million a year seem to count their pennies, forget about normal folks and creatives. Everything in NYC is shamelessly overpriced.
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@Idealist
I have been a working musician for over 4 decades
"normal folks and creatives." are not mutually exclusive
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Wow...and I was absolutely sure he’d move to West Virginia and start developing golf course resorts at mountaintop removal coal mine sites.
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My father currently lives in Florida. He said when trump won people were in their pickup trucks with the confederate flag doing donuts . And, It appears to be completely segregated, I’m sure he loves that.
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As I said last night, I hope he keeps moving as far south as he can go. Also, isn't this about him trying to keep his taxes secret because of new laws imposed by New York, not to mention the ones eliminating loop holes?
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"Florida Man flees, then tweets rant against high taxes in state investigating him for fraud"
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Xanadu.
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He goes where he's loved.
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Good riddance. Donald Trump was never a proper New Yorker. He is a Trump-voter's idea of a New Yorker. In fact he has more in common with the tourists from Trump country than with New Yorkers: like the former, he too wanders around in a MAGA hat, has no idea how to ride the subway, and is afraid to venture beyond Midtown.
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He remains an apparent tax cheat.
I am sick of carrying him and his grifter family with my hard earned tax dollars.
No other POTUS has ever refused to release tax returns.
What is he hiding ?
The truth will out, not matter where he runs.
Tick tock.
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@Concerned Citizen
The comment was, "No other POTUS has ever refused...." That is true. No one refused when asked. Of course, no one asked in the days when it wasn't the norm to release tax returns. Thus, r mackinnon was right.
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Before long NY will have lost a major tax base as those who can afford it are exiting the city and state. You really can’t blame them. Even foie gras is now illegal in NYC. It’s a nanny state with a nanny city bordering on socialism.
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Good! If people leave prices may come back down to earth. Demand is sky high in NYC.
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@Mike L - As opposed to those red state utopias who want to dictate who you can marry and which medical decisions you can make for yourself?
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@Mike L
The good people in NY have avoided foie gras since the 1960's in my memory. But I'm glad to hear that it's now officially off the menu.
I grew up in NY. Trump is not the "epitome of a New Yorker".
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Moving to Florida is the epitome of being a New Yorker. Notice you left too.
Wonder how Melanie feels about Florida? Leaving NYC may not have been part of the mail-order bride agreement?
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New York must be closing in on his tax returns...
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I wonder if anyone has told him yet that he is still liable for state felonies he committed that occurred in New York.
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Tell him we don't want him either.
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Trump isn't faithful to anyone or anything or anywhere.
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Part of Trump's narcissus complex is a belief in victimization, both covered with layers of rage and fury!
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Does anyone really think that he and Melania will be here after April when the weather gets so oppressively hot you can't play golf or walk outside. I think NJ should be worried too. And BTW Palm Beach County is BLUE.
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@Debbie
there's always Jersey !!
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Ah, Trump! Ever telling the truth he didn't mean to tell. “I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state...." You know, like Rudy Giuliani.
And by the way, has there ever been such a whiner?
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Just in the same spirit of a criminal having a "go bag" for running away at a moment's notice.
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We don't want him either.
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preparing for the lawsuits with a pre-emptive move to Florida
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@swade, It doesn't get him out of any legal entanglements in New York except paying future income taxes. Which probably doesn't matter much because the way our income taxes are set up people in the real estate business generally don't pay much income tax anyway.
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At least he didn’t list Washington, DC as his permanent residence.
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What do you wager Trump is selling Trump Tower to the Saudi prince for ten times it's true value?
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@Panthiest
Trump real estate investments have always been about money laundering.
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What if we don't want him?
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Move to avoid disclosing tax returns in NY?
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@SN, He may think so, he appears to be that out of it, but there is no legal basis. Since he and his businesses filed tax returns in NY those returns are subject to legal action in NY.
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You know, Palm Beach is mostly blue. Why is he not going for a predominant red county?
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Because he has nothing but scorn and disdain for those who comprise his unshakeable "base."
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Wow he is desperate to hide his taxes.
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Bye-Bye. Can't wait to see the photos of you in Bermuda shorts and knee-high black socks.
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That would sum up New York Democrats’ opinions of the rich.
Good riddance. We don’t need you.
Until they figure out who’s been paying the bills all these years.
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@Ken - You seem to have missed the fact that Trump brags about not paying taxes.
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There are plenty of rich democrats in New York
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Yeah, that what Donald Trump is known for: paying his bills.
Do you people hear yourselves?
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New York no longer wants him and he has serious legal threats there. He feels safe in the red state of Florida. But we will get him. He cannot hide.
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Question: If Donald Trump is only now moving his residency form New York to Florida, why did his annually replaced White or Black Rolls Royce, that he used to drive personally from CPW to Trump National Westchester, nearly every weekend for more than a decade, have Florida license plates?
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@G No doubt because it was probably ten bucks cheaper than if he registered in NY.
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Welcome to Florida Mr. President.
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Just face it, NYC is the basement of political thought. A great center for the arts (although slowly pricing itself out of the game) creative thought can be daring, contrarian, self-indulgent and disruptive. Political thought and action, by contrast must be slow, tested, and beneficial to the sustenance and growth of the mainstream. NYC once represented the great consumer market of the middle class. Now, NYC represents the largest economic gap in the country between wealth and poverty. Totally opposite of the liberal ideal.
He never belonged in New York. He is part of the force that destroyed the authenticity of Manhattan and turned it into one big development that squeezed out the ( non celebrity) artists and other creative people that were its lifeblood.
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No surprise. Donald Trump knows exactly what kind of reception he would face if he were to ever came back here as a private citizen.
That much was made clear just after his inauguration when thousands took the streets in opposition and even more recently when the tenants of several of his buildings demanded to strip his name off of them.
And then, there's that pesky Southern District Court which shows no signs of letting p when it comes to his business transactions.
Besides. We didn't vote for him.
There's no love lost for Trump here in New York City.
And he knows it.
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@N. Smith
Yup. He'd get a dose of NYC cold shoulder every time he ventured our of his tower.
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This goes way beyond Trump. New York is bleeding off an entire class of super-rich to Florida over tax issues. It's an issue that will have economic impact at some point; Cuomo should tread carefully.
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So another New Yorker retires and moves to Florida. Nearly every older relative I have has done this. Without those high paying jobs the lower taxes in Southern states are oh so appealing. And this guy has many reason to skip town.
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This has more to do with evading taxes than taking advantage of the 'early bird specials' at the local restaurant. Trump has always had a problem with paying taxes; he just doesn't want tov— it's that simple. And so far he's been able to get away with it. Let's hope the SDNY can bring him to justice before he allegedly vacates Fifth Avenue and shows up for the 4:15 baked flounder and mashed potatoes at the West Palm Grill.
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I'm sure the famously even-tempered, fair-minded people of New York City will not mock this decision in any way.
Unrelated question, is it possible to get a negative percentage of the vote in an election?
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with an election year coming up, calculation that Florida votes count a great deal more than NY votes for this candidate, besides the tax considerations... No NY State tax forms or disclosures needed...
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Though not specific to Trump, this does highlight a very disgusting issue with Florida: their refusal to collect state income and estate taxes as do most other states, and to then use that no-tax status to attract wealthy individuals and businesses from those states.
And then Florida, a wealthy state, turns around and expects the taxpayers in all those other states to bail them out after their frequent hurricanes. If there was ever a state that ought to show some self-responsibility and collect a good rainy day fund from its own people, it is Florida.
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There are so many ways to collect operating revenue besides an income tax on individuals and businesses.
You don’t have a clear understanding about hurricanes. The federal government does not have a program for wind and hail damage. That is run by the state with help of any type from the federal government. The cost of wind and hail insurance would shock you.
The flood insurance plan is run by the government and has risk-based premiums, which can’t be avoided.
Another way to look at not having state income tax is that you have to pay more federal income tax since it is not deductible from your federal tax. Could it be said that those who deduct their state income tax are grifters and not paying their full share?
@Jim
I'm a snowbird who owns property in Florida, and have attended the "become a Florida resident" seminars. The no-income tax status is the number one feature pushed as a reason to become a "resident". I use quotes because often these people don't just pack up and move, but maintain a presence in the old state, paying close attention to what needs to be done to keep the old state's tax collectors at bay.
And while there not be a standing program to cover hurricane damage, every major one is followed by a special "disaster relief" bill.
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@Jim S.
I have a hunch that the insurance companies which have done studies on climate change, will eventually not write policies in FL, or make it so expensive that many of the people living there will have to move or live in tents.
How this plays out for the rest of us taxpayers of this once great Democratic Republic Union, I don't know. Ask CA residents how they feel about bailing out most of the country.
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Isn't FL one of the few states where if you are convicted of a felony the govt can't take your primary residency as part of of your sentence (value of that property can't be used for fines, financial compensation, etc.)? That's another good reason for him to make the move...
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Who gets the gold toilet? Who gets the tanning booth?
He probably determined that he could rip off the government more by renting bungalows at Mar a Lago to the Secret Service. (However, I'm not sure he keeps that privilege if he's thrown out of office).
The Trump Organization will still need to submit 2019 NYS income tax, which could be just as informative as his personal returns.
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Call me a dreamer, but in a country where logic and fairness of the laws govern, Trump would be stripped of his US citizenship for his behavior as the head executive of his country who acted actively in the interests of a foreign adversary for his entire term in office. He can go to Russia and pay taxes, or not, there.
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This is a typical tax scheme for the ultra rich to avoid paying taxes in the state where they actually live. They will jump through many hoops to prove the percentage of time they’ve spent in Florida. The IRS should audit all of them so We the People can collect the tax revenue we need to pay for essential services. So sick of hearing from these same tax dodgers that the US cannot afford to give basic, preventative healthcare and education to every American!
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"epitome of a New Yorker", it's never been. New York, a symbol of America in the world, is actually the least American, because it is the most cosmopolitan. Consequently, it is the most sophisticated city in the U.S. and thus in contrast with Trump.
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If Trump isn't going to be a NY resident anymore, can we stop spending a fortune treating Trump Tower like a fortress with barricades, security forces, etc.? Or if he wants to keep it he can pitch in some of his tax savings to help pay for it?
I can't wait until his new residence is a prison...
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Great news, New York won't miss him.
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He is preparing for his next bankruptcy filing. Being President has really hurt his businesses. I am sure his accountants and lawyers advised him to do this. Personally. Its no badge of honor for the State of Florida.
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If one further action was needed to persuade me that Florida is not the winter haven I was looking for, this was it. With Donald Trump moving there, I'd rather freeze than visit.
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This suggests that he knows he won’t win in 2020. Trump knows he’s about to be broken, and is looking for a place to fade away. He’s finished in NYC. It won’t work, of course.
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Smart move. No state income tax. Rich get richer and the poor---well we get to pay taxes.
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Donald Trump contributed more to the New York City economy than anyone who ever lived. On election night 2016, the Dow was at 17,000, now it’s 27,000. Those trillions of dollars created have fulfilled the dreams of big spenders like DeBlasio and Cuomo. More fun to announce a new spending initiative that to cut back. Thanks Trump.
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Interesting that President Trump is moving to the state that will most likely bear the impact of his failed environmental policies. As the seas rise, perhaps Mar-a-Lago will be cleaned out by the seawater.
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Trump isn’t going to win NY next year.
Evidently, he is feeling pressure about FL.
Democrats, keep it up !
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I don't like Trump, but I don't think Cuomo's remark's on Twitter are appropriate. Will he now rate the desirability of all other New Yorkers, maybe on a one to ten scale? We need to to tone it down, and just do the People's work.
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Zero surprise here. Trump is not the first tax avoider to enjoy the benefits of NYC while paying lower taxes elsewhere.
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"... a person close to the president said the reasons were primarily for tax purposes."
There is yet another possible reason -- the New York law that allows certain committees of the US Congress to obtain the state tax records of New York residents:
'The new law requires state tax officials to release the president’s state returns for any “specified and legitimate legislative purpose” on the request of the chair of one of three congressional committees: the House Ways and Means Committee, the Senate Finance Committee and the Joint Committee on Taxation.'*
Despite what the article says, the law is not restricted to "the president’s state returns". Other politicians could also be targeted. And note that the Republican-controlled US Senate could request New York State tax returns. IOW, the law could backfire on the Democrats who enacted it.
* Cuomo Signs a Bill to Allow Release of Trump’s State Tax Returns
By Jesse McKinley and Nicholas Fandos
July 8, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/nyregion/trump-ny-taxes-cuomo.html
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What more is there to say after Cuomo's declaration?
Many New Yorkers will have a smoother ride to work after the traffic obstructions around Trump Tower are removed. Trump's move to Florida will inconvenience only the alligators.
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"at the time of his death" is what intrigued me most in this article. Can't wait for that.
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Oh he still will have to come back to NY to face the legal system once he is out of office. I see him and his family spending a lot of time in a NY courtroom. He can run but he can’t hide.
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So so, Cuomo says good riddance to millions of tax dollars, whose going to make up the difference when many more fat cats leave? Oh yea it’s not going to be the mythical middle class.
Trump claims he’s been “ treated badly “ and its best for all that he’s “ moving on”.
That’s nonsense.
His motivation is to look out for #1.
Removing his name from buildings, “moving on” , Florida etc....
I get the feeling he has considered resigning.
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Trump really should be selecting a residence in some place where we don't have an extradition treaty. Perhaps in some dacha not far from where Putin lives.
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"... to many Americans the epitome of a New Yorker ..."
Before Trump was President, I am confident that more Americans would identify Woody Allen or the "Seinfeld" characters as notable New Yorkers.
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Regarding tax evasion, how about his adult children? Don't let them slip away. The clan seems to be wrapping up their loot, i.e. selling the lease to the Trump Hotel in D.C. I wonder if China would rescind the Ivanka licenses once Trump is out of office? Maybe not. As seen on Chinese blogs the ' modern princess' is wildly popular, they name her I-van-ka, meaning ten thousand carats. But a fallen princess?
Before 2016, Trump was not even background noise in the lives of New Yorkers. Maybe different for loyal NY Post or National Enquirer readers? I honestly don't think anyone would notice he is gone except the ensuing prosecutions that might dominate the news cycles for years to come. But again, if you follow B.B. Netanyahu and see how he is clawing his way in politics for similar reasons, makes one wonder if justice would ever have a chance.
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@Anxious,
NYC voters knew him well enough to give him 18% of their presidential votes in 2016. 10% in Manhattan and a whoppping 9% in the Bronx.
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How about the city can now stop spending millions on security for his residence here!
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Always about the almighty ME..... The conclusion I draw is that there hasn't been enough favors flowing from NY. He'll show them....
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He knows we hate him. Plus, he is about to be indicted in New York State – or will be as soon as he leaves office. He will not escape that day of judgment by hiding out in Florida.
I only hope that he takes his ugly, flashy architecture with him. Residents have campaigned to have his name removed from their apartment buildings because having him associated with those buildings reduces the property values. His hotels and Trump Tower are among the ugliest structures in New York City.
In addition, I walk past Trump Tower regularly - I work nearby - and am tired of pushing my way through worshipping Trump fans (from out of town). who stand across the street from the tower, gazing skyward, as though expecting a miraculous event to take place on the roof.
Moreover, I have spoken to employees of small shops on Fifth Avenue and the side streets, who complain that when Trump is in town, or the crowds get too large, the streets are shut off for security reasons, and they lose business. Yes, these are luxury shops, but the sales people operate on a commission basis. They can’t wait for Trump to leave.
All in all, I think that Governor Cuomo summed it up – good riddance!
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I suppose that sometime in the future, if Trump is in a NY jail, he will be counted there for purposes of the census.
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Haa... “I cherish New York, and the people of New York,” he added, “and always will.”
Like he’s ever “cherished” anything other than his own ego.
He can stay in Florida when they let him out of prison... or maybe that’s where they’ll just bury him.
As a New Yorker, I wish he’d just gone down to Florida in the 80s to “build” stuff there instead of here... he could have made his “fortune” with the other shady developers who built all those flimsy houses that fell apart during hurricane Andrew.
The poor little baby has never liked New York because there are building codes and laws to be followed and it’s a lot more expensive to bribe New York officials and inspectors than the ones in Florida.
I’m sure he’s envisioning Mar-a-Lago as being a modern version of Jefferson Davis’s Court End residence, where he and his GOP sycophants can gather to facilitate the further destruction of our democracy.
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Tax payers, shouldn't we all be happy that Trump has found a way to justify future golfing trips to Mar-a-lago while he's still in office?
As a side note, he also seems to have recognized that NYC doesn't want him back. What a surprise!
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I may be wrong but since he was a resident of NY until very recently he still has to file state income tax returns for 2019 for income etc received up to the time of his "official"move. One does not get away from a state's income tax just because you move domicile. In fact he has to file for any income he received from NY in 2019 regardless of where he lives. That is the care in Massachusetts and I suspect other states have the same requirements. A family member who was living abroad but working for a MA company had to pay out of state income tax on that income despite not living in MA at any time during the year. And ask any NH resident who works in MA about MA out of state income tax requirements.
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No mention of where the Trump organization will maintain its headquarters, though. If it remains based in New York and he is still the chairman, there will be no relief from state tax authorities for Donald. And he'll still be subject to audits.
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Although the only things Trump seems reliably able to accomplish on any given day are striking down laws that limit environmental pollution, and tweeting insults at political opponents, with this filing it’s clear, if we ever had any doubts, that he never loses focus on his personal business affairs and how to avoid taxes. The serious business of governing has never been of interest to him except as a profit center.
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Let’s hope he keeps moving South. Argentina maybe?
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@kathy I'm rooting for Antarctica.
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@kathy
I keep thinking of some place way farther south than Argentina - you know where it's hot as blazes - unstop - 24/7. He probably has a lot of friends and business associates there too.
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@njmonica
Sort of like the scene with Max and Blue Meanie in Yellow Submarine. Only the BM didn't wear a Russian Red tie.
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Well it’s true, he has been treated very badly by the leaders of New York. We are ALL being treated badly by the leaders of New York.
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Leave. Follow him and don’t come back.
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Me thinks that Trump is trying to avoid prosecution by the SDNY. after he leaves office. It should not be hard to figure out if he paid millions of taxes to New York. Public tax records, unlike IRS tax returns, can be accessed by anyone.
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The restrictions on state and local tax deductions enacted by Ryan et al, have all but effectively demolished the second home market in NY, NJ and CT. for the middle class. It has had a profound negative effect on retirees with a single home, as well. Our NYC bedroom communities have developed with excellent schools and cultural amenities, in part, based on a fair taxation system. Now, economics drives many away to the desultory south.
Trump added nothing. Good riddance.
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It’s bad enough to know he has an ugly, ostentatious residence in my county here in Florida. But now that he’s claiming residency here, it just adds another ugly, ostentatious resident, officially, to the neighborhood!
I know a couple who drained all the funds from the New Jersey-based business they shared with two other partners and, virtually overnight, escaped with the cash to Florida. There, they were safe from legal action by the cheated partners.
Now that his presidency has exposed the house of cards that is Trump Enterprises, I would surmise he's preparing to be as untouchable as possible post-presidency. But while he may escape legal action from some business associates, good luck with the SDNY. There's a reason they say You Can't Fight City Hall...
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He was never going to win New York, but moving to Florida will help him secure the much larger Electoral vote there and help his re-election. Pretty funny that Cuomo is now cheering for millionaires to move to Florida eroding the precious tax revenue he loves to spend.
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@Rick Do we really think he paid taxes? Or just kept claiming his famous business losses?
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You may think it's funny, but I applaud Mr. Cuomo's stand with regard to President Trump Inc.
By the way, can you prove Mr. Trump paid taxes, please?
We're still waiting.
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No state income tax in Florida— so one less return he can get caught lying on.
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He still has to file a New York nonresident tax return and pay tax on New York and NYC source income as a resident of Florida. His businesses would continue to be liable for filing and paying taxes on NY source income, regardless of his state of residence and are unaffected by his move.
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It is true that NY source income continues to be subject to non-resident tax. However, given the consistent evidence of tax fraud on the part of the Trump Organization’s owners, it is likely they shuffle the money elsewhere (Rusher?) to avoid filing it properly.
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Hurray! It’s bad enough having him as president, but I hated having him be from NY. He certainly doesn’t represent this city, one of the most diverse cities in the world. Hopefully he’ll sell his apartment and will rarely come here, so we won’t have to endure the closed streets etc. Florida is welcome to him.
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Politely we must decline.
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Miriam, in NYC; Many of us here in PBC, FL don’t want him either!
Maybe another country would take him!
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Although I assumed he was making the change of residence for financial reasons, as a person of low income and a frugal budget myself, I can barely manage my own finances, never mind consider anyone else’s.
And likely this will be the same case for most of his supporters. “Inheritance tax,” for example, means nothing to someone who does not expect to receive or leave an inheritance.
And state income tax does not occupy any bandwidth in the brains of those of us who have been laid off from our jobs 5 years before we expected to retire and whose savings do not generate income.
Maybe our tiny nest eggs of pre-taxed dollars would be taxed a little less in Florida as we quickly withdraw them to pay the rent, but moving is expensive itself, so we don’t bother crunching such numbers and assume it’s a wash.
Thinking about finances is psychologically painful to those of us facing destitution. I can guarantee his MAGA-hat wearers will feel better blaming his move to Florida on meanies in New York than they would considering the taxes of anyone.
Meanwhile the super rich like himself who no doubt benefitted from his policies don’t care about anyone or anything.
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@Lone Poster: I feel your pain. Every time I see one of his "rallies" I wonder what those people are cheering about. They don't look like super rich people. I don't think they'd really admit that they're not doing well. As a former NYer, I can tell you the taxes are brutal. I live in Texas now. My property taxes are a quarter of what they were in NY! Also, strump is not as rich as he would like everyone to believe. Hence he has hidden his taxes for years claiming they're under audit. He's squandered small fortunes many times. I just cannot figure out how we elected this 4 time bankrupt grifter to be president of the US!
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Trump changed his residency for two reasons. The first is that Florida has no state income tax so there will be no state tax records to be scrutinised. Second, NY will continue to pursue him for criminal acts and he does not want to give them any more information. Story written.
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You have it wrong. N.J. golf course income. He pays N.J. taxes and thus a return is populated. Same for Westchester, etc.
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vh5
The state should have the foresight to hire three shifts 365 days a year to make sure he doesn't abuse the 187 day limit. You can't depend on an honor system in that regard.
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New York St. Legislature should pass a law banning the name of Trump to any state or city properties. We cannot be celebrating a such an immoral character with his name on public parks and public buildings. (start with Taconic parkway) Give him back the donated property and charge him taxes on the inflated amount he said it worth when he gave it to the state,
And they should also permit any private building the right to change the name and signage of that building if they so desire by allowing them immunity from civil suit for breach of contract.
And as one previous commentator suggested: change the name of Fifth Ave. from 55st. to 59st to Obama Way.
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Let’s dismantle Trump Tower! The symbol of all the ways New York changed for the worst with these big developers.
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No doubt he chose Florida because of the homestead exemption. When/if he declares bankruptcy, he can keep Mar a lago! And although it's true that he's grifted more money out of a presidency than anyone thought possible, bankruptcy is always in the offing with this guy.
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Speaking of taxes - remember one of Trump’s early lies as President, that he couldn’t reveal his taxes because they were under audit and so big and complex nobody would understand them?
Seems almost quaint in the face of what’s happened since, though one suspects those taxes may reveal why Trump behaves as a Russian operative (see: call-in for Nigel Farage, etc).
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I suspect The Donald is looking to FL both as a help in 2020 and a friendlier, possibly less prosecutorial State.
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