Elizabeth Warren will make a fine president. Kellyanne Conway ("KAC") says Elizabeth Warren is lying about herself. Trump has lied more than 13,000 times since being in office. He still continually lies about himself. He started out with a million dollars from his family when he actually inherited 200 million dollars and proceeded to go bankrupt five times, putting a lie to the fact he's a great deal maker. KAC is a propagandist, nothing more, nothing less.
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The Republicans are not attacking her because she’s a woman. They are attacking her because she is a viable candidate for President. They have and will continue to attack all viable candidates, just as the Democrats do. And the media and the twitterati exacerbate the situation. That’s presidential politics these days.
And considering the plethora of lies Trump has told, I find it very hard to believe that anyone seriously considering voting for Warren would vote for Trump instead because of allegations she lied about being fired for being pregnant in the 1970s.
It boggles my mind to read of readers; e.g. Janet from Boston, who find Ms. Warren's small, incomplete details to be worthy of attack, when the Republican party, for decades, has resorted to way below the belt tactics, to attack their Democratic opponents.
Only a blind and deaf person would fiind the current occupant of the White House anything but a kelptocrat, a daily liar (oh, the adjectives that come to mind!), completely unfit for office, compared to all of the current Dem. candidates.
Elizabeth Warren takes principled positions, not always popular. She wants to move America forward, to face the real problems of income inequality, climate change, immigration reform, infrastructure needs, etc.. What do the Republicans offer- nothing but slander and an obscene desire to remain in power, no matter how unscrupulous their boss.
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In 1975 I was let go from my banking position at 7 months pregnant because I was "showing." I believe Elizabeth. I knew several women from our generation who went through this crap. It wasn't unusual. Sexism ran rampant, as we were forced to wear dresses to school, could not get a credit card without our husband's permission, and worked for far less pay than men. Sometimes I wonder how much has really changed. It's damn time a well qualified woman ran this country!
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Questioning a politician's authenticity is only done to women?
Claiming when something that has always been done to men, is sexist when done to women is a common Leftist trope.
It's also sexist.
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Good to see the Times is dusting off the old playbook whenever a female politician who they hope to reach higher office is criticized - accuse them of misogyny.
Problem is that Ms. Warren has a track record of "misstatements" and fabrications. One emerging story here is how the Times really doesn't have an interest in actually investigating this story - rather, they'll just take their candidate's word for it.
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This is why Warren is the most likely to win in November and the most likely to marshal significant change through as President.
It took more than 10 years, but she managed to create the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau despite the opposition of nearly the whole entrenched government on both sides of the aisle.
Warren knows how to deal with bullies an those who feel entitled to dismiss objections to their policies and behaviors without addressing the problems, just by refusing to acknowledge that those who are pointing them out have standing.
More importantly, she knows, from years of experience, how to listen to those who are routinely ignored. That's where change comes from.
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Elizabeth Warren is not Hillary Clinton, who, by the way, won the popular vote by 3 million. And, without Jill Stein, she'd have won the presidency outright. Clinton has much, much, much more baggage. Her husband, for one. He made it much more difficult to target Trump for bad behavior.
If all Republicans have on Warren is a story of being dismissed for pregnancy--a real and serious issue for many, many women--and a claim of Native American ancestry, they are in deep trouble.
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Warren panders to her Left wing base. Her cradle to grave, government funded nanny state is funded by taxes up and down the social and financial register. She no longer denies that her wealth tax plan will not creep down to the Middle Class. Redistribution plans have never ended well regardless of how you try to disguise them. My wish is that enough people read and understand what she proposes before they get too caught up in the idea of "free stuff" and before they enter the voting booth.
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Of course it’s fine to redistribute wealth up as in tax breaks for all kinds of businesses and taxing earned income more than investment gains.
Both sides practice the same assaults on character, there are no saints on either side, the self-righteousness of both sides is disgusting.
The writer misrepresents the public concerns with the Warren story -- and I write as a potential supporter of her candidacy. The issue is not whether schools penalized female teachers that became pregnant -- no one is disputing that history.
The issue is whether Warren was in fact penalized when she became pregnant as a teacher. If not, then she has falsely accused a principal and school district of discrimination for political gain.
At this point, the issue needs to be examined. She has repeated the story to a nation audiences. It raises questions about her character and trustworthiness if the story turns out to be an exaggeration.
Ms. Warren, please do not use the mean history of gender discrimination as a tool to deflect legitimate questions on this issue. You could end up in the same sad position as the TV actor Jussie Smollet.
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@roger
I don't think she was even the "public school teacher" she pretended to be. A temporary, part-time, resume-building experience - without certification - doesn't really make her a former, public school teacher.
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Would be delighted to have Ms. Warren as a neighbor. I like her but find her platform needs a little modification. But, as a very moderate republican I would vote for nearly any candidate other than Trump. It’s time to give that man free room and board at another federal facility.
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I love this quote: “The more examples like this that surface, the more it will stick with voters that this is someone who cannot be trusted,” Ms. Harrington said.
As if Mrs. Harrington's choice for president can be trusted in any way.
Oh, excuse me! Trump can be completely trusted to do the wrong things and then brag about how he's keeping promises.
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@Stephen Beard
But she's not running against Trump now.
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Mrs. Warren embellishments regarding her personal history tend to backfire. That she continues this tact is puzzling and disturbing. A healthy respect for the truth would seem to be a prerequisite for one seeking to lead the most powerful country in the world.
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A healthy respect for the truth is exactly what we don’t have now in our leader.
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It all depends on where trump is holding with the swing voters in the states that matter assuming he is not impeached or resigns beforehand. At present Warren is the strongest democratic candidate and a few minor lies told in the past won’t hurt her even if proven which is not yet the case . if trump voters held being caught in lies as serious trump would never have won the past election.
@AVIEL
But if we still can choose a viable candidate who doesn't lie like this....
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Attacking Warren on the issue of authenticity will surely backfire. Trump is the biggest phony in modern political history. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
If Trump is foolish enough to cry "Pocahontas", he will look foolish when forced to explain why he: claimed in his book that he is Swedish, knowing full well that he is of German ancestry; and claimed that his father was born in Germany, knowing full well that his father was born in New York City.
The GOP is setting a trap for themselves and walking right into it. Since they cannot run on the issues, a personal attack is their only hope of distracting voters from Ttrump's countless gross misdeeds.
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It does seem that the Republican movement is full of rabid dogs willing to go to any lengths to discourage rivals from even challenging their presidential candidates. That's quite alarming given that there is nothing presidential about Donald Trump, quite the opposite. As a UK spectator I support Elizabeth Warren to be the next US President because I believe that she has the necessary compassion, honesty, nerve and reliability needed to deliver practical and beneficial policies to the American people.
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President Warren will pull this country, once again, out of the ditch the Republicans drove it into.
We need the strength of our women. Now is the time. American women have been paving the way for all citizen’s of the world for decades. All have been strengthen though the women’s liberation movement just as we have all been strengthened by the civil rights movement. All women and especially African American women have been tempered by resilience to lead this country. Now is the time Warren is the one, War on trump.
It is actually going to be fun to watch Warwin beat Trump every step along the way. A very welcome and long overdue change in American politics.
Got a plan for structural change? She sure dose! 2%
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The facts are:
Democrats are just like the Republicans when they intimidate others who have different opinions about Warren.
NYT is bias in its reporting about Warren.
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I am tired of the “sexist trope” trope.
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Yeah, but your candidate is a worse liar. There's your slogan
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Warren's integrity issues are not just concerns of Republicans - and not just Republican fabrications. I'm more liberal than she and really like most of her policy proposals. Unfortunately, I find her hard to trust. For example, in the last debate she acted proud of being a "public school teacher".
But as I understand it, she used her speech pathology and audiology degree right after college to get a part-time, temporary job working with special needs kids at the public school. She had no teaching certificate. She is apparently not the former, public school teacher that she pretended to be. Since this 'teaching experience' immediately preceded law school for her, I have to wonder if it didn't mainly serve to advance her career - a thoroughly academic one (respected mostly by those with advanced degrees).
NYT clearly works hard in Warren's defense, which worries me. I think they're promoting her dubious, female persecution story here because Warren's campaign will be relying on the female vote, knowing that working class and minority voters are not going to find her appealing, in general.
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@carl bumba
Spot on.
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@carl Bumba
Let me educate you:
I’m a certified speech-language pathologist. When I first starting working in the schools, my official title was ‘Teacher of the Communication Impaired’. The next state I moved to allowed me to work in private practice or in a medical setting with my certificate, but to work in schools i had to take additional courses in order to get a teaching certificate.
My husband still sometimes tells people I’m s teacher when they ask because it’s easier than having to explain what an SLP is. It’s what I write down on immigration forms when traveling for the same reason
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If she lied -- and she has been caught lying about several important claims in her past, then its not a sexist trope. Its a lie.
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@Allan H. If Warren lied then what is it that Donald Trump does every day and 200+ times on Sunday? Because I would say that their respective alleged violations, and their responses to being called on them, are orders of magnitude apart.
Elizabeth Warren took a DNA test to confirm her family story about having a Native American ancestor (which, by the way, would still, truthfully, be her family's story even if the DNA test had not confirmed it). Trump has yet to release his long-promised tax returns, and in fact has gone to court multiple times specifically to resist releasing them despite his promises. Which action has the greater concrete consequences for American taxpayers (a group that very well may not include Donald J. Trump)? I include the lies on the tax returns along with the lies about the tax returns, by the way.
Next we can compare Warren's stories about her past job experiences to Trump's bankruptcies and frauds, including the Trump Foundation and Trump University, if you would like.
The sexist trope is your obsession with the mote in Warren's eye while conspicuously ignoring (or worse, forgiving) the logjam flowing from Trump's.
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@Lisa Are you saying volume of lies is the significant factor? There's got to be a better way.
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@Margo Volume. Size. Consequence. I would say Trump "wins" on all three. And while I'm sure that many of Trump's lies actually are lies, in the sense of their being deliberate untruths or intended deceptions, I'm not so clear that Warren's "lies" are anything but hyped up Republican malarky.
I mean, she told a story about being fired for being pregnant and glossed over the precise details of the exact sequence of events of of the whole sad process that happened... 50 years ago? Wow! What a Mata Hari!
Next I suppose the Trump flunkies will be attacking her for having lied to the principal by hiding her pregnancy in the first place. That such scrupulous ethicists seem to be utterly unaware of the glaring faults of their own candidate is truly a wonder to me. Like the Emperor's tailors who talk all the time about seeing those wonderful clothes...
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I hope Sen. Warren's team is saving a secret judo move for the election: cop to it. When Trump calls her Pocahontas, Warren lays the fully frank and exact truth on the table - whatever that is. E.g. "there was a lot of pressure to improve diversity in certain circles, and that one time...I went along". It's a direct pivot to talking about responsibility and resolving to do better, something everyone needs. And it -demonstrates- her honesty, in the moment. And the Native American issue is done. "Show don't tell!"
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Warren can take Bill Maher's suggestion: When 45 calls her Pocahontas, she can call him Broke-a-hontas. I guess she's above that, but one thing he obviously hates is being teased or having a rival get under his skin.
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Most women can identify with Warrens true experience. I have my own story. I was a young widow with two small children looking for a job so that I could support them. As soon as my application was reviewed the first question I was asked was did I have any children. When I answered yes the interview was immediately terminated. After the fourth interview I had to make a decision as to how to get a job.
My solution was to have to resort to lying about having children
It was then that I was hired so that I could support my children.
Six months into the job I went into my boss and told him what I had done and why. I was not fired luckily.
I suppose those who are casting aspersions on Warren would have also castigated me if I lived on welfare instead.
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Good thing you're not erasing Sen. Warren's name from the conversation, like The Democratic Frontrunner Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned.
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I expect the NYT comment section will now be overrun with Trump supporters, including dear old Vlad. What to do? Ignore them? Or counter their every vicious lie and smear?
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The problem is that Elizabeth Warren has in fact lied multiple times.
Her justification that pregnancy discrimination was common during her time doesn’t change the fact that she, herself, was not targeted due to pregnancy discrimination.
Likewise, her justification that her Native American heritage claim did not actually help her career, doesn’t change the fact that she claimed Native American heritage in the first place.
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@Janet of course she was. I have no idea how old you are but I can vividly remember when I was in third grade, my teacher was pregnant in the middle of the school year and at some point, I think it was after February vacation, she did not return. When I was in high school in the early sixties, girls who got pregnant were instructed to leave school. These are facts that are not easily refuted. Just because the school board minutes don’t say that Ms. Warren was dismissed because she was pregnant doesn’t mean that wasn’t the reason. That’s the way things were done back then in almost every case because it was expected that a new mother would not work but, instead, stay at home with the child.
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@Janet Everybody lies. We get the choice of two people Janet. If she wins the nomination, our choice will be a woman who's lied twice, or a man literally unable to tell the truth.
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@Janet
"she, herself, was not targeted due to pregnancy discrimination."
False. She was fired after she was 5 months pregnant and starting to show. They asked for her resignation letter and she gave it.
If that's not discrimination, then words have no meaning. But facts still do. You can't call reality a lie.
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Wait, they’re attacking someone who has lied for decades about being a racial minority and about losing their job due to discrimination over their authenticity? The nerve!
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No, they attack the woman who offers the solutions of many American ills
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@Mike
Warren never claimed she was a minority: She noted on an application that she had Native American ancestry (a small amount, yes, but factually proven). Extensive journalistic investigations have dealt with that issue, in her favor.
She alleges that she was fired from a position because she was pregnant. There's noting inauthentic about that, because from all appearances, that seems to be the case.
So your point was.... what, exactly?
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@Timothy Samara
Elizabeth Warren 100% had Native American on her Texas bar application. She 100% used it to move ahead of other candidates at Harvard.
Warren used a lie to scheme the Affirmative Action system.
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Anyone else notice that the posters calling the Senator a "liar" and "inauthentic" tend to have just initials? Anyone else also suspect they're men who just don't like powerful women?
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@Just Stop Or trumpbots.
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@Just Stop - I like powerful women. My mother was a former Marine who taught me how to go through teargas when I was 15 years old. My ex-wife poured concrete and operated a backhoe.
I have no tolerance for lies of any kind from anyone. I don't care how good your plans are or what you say on the trail. If you have a history of lying to people, especially about who and what your are, then I will call you a liar and inauthentic to your face.
Mother had NO tolerance for even a white lie. That was the most important rule in the house. And I'm the same way.
Warren has been caught trying to convince others that she is/was something other than what she really is. I have no tolerance for that. And apparently, neither does the Cherokee Nation who called her out on her "heritage". Were they just afraid of powerful women?
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@Tom Well said. I'm with you on this.
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Elizabeth Warren in 2007 about her one year as a public school teacher, 1970-71: “I actually didn’t have the education courses.”
She says that in a video which this article takes until the 16th paragraph to mention. That's the source of questions about whether Warren is being honest. It should have been mentioned in the first paragraph.
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Absurd when you consider the more than 10,000 lies from Trump counted so far.
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I am sooooo sick of Republicans AND Democrats.
Everyday, this paper and the readers get upset over all of Trump's lies, as they should. But if Warren gets caught in some big lies, the response is "but what about Trump".
Trump has a secret server hiding conversations and the readers are upset as they should be. But they tooth and nail defend Hillary for doing the exact same thing. Oh, her 30,000 deleted emails that she fought with everything she has to hide from Americans are just about Chelsea's wedding. Then, why not just turn them over to the State Department on day one when they were requested.
Both parties are completely corrupt and voting in one party or the other will not make your life any better. It will line the pockets of the 1% of this country and make your kids end up with less than you had...which is less than what your parents had and so on.
If you want to defend "fauxcahantas" and Joe Biden using his job to get his derelict son sweet jobs that he doesn't qualify for, go ahead. But then don't turn around and wax on about Trump's lies or Ivanka in the White House.
To a Democrat, asking a female candidate a tough question is sexist. I think its equally sexist that the media hammers Trump for lying but is defending Warren for lying.
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I am ready for someone to drain the swamp and attack the health care problem. I think she can do it.
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She will cause the destruction of the retirement of funds of millions by decimating insurance companies.
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Hogwash. How would that happen? We are talking health insurance here.
Republicans lie with expected immunity while trying to nail Democrats to the cross if they think they're lying..
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Most Americans believe that they can do whatever they wish because the constitution gives them permission....no matter if what they do is moral or immoral, decent or indecent, or right or wrong. With this kind of total freedom the future will have no need of prisons, law enforcement agencies, nor law books. Why? Because if the law allows you to do what you want, then there is no wrong you can do.
Blessed are those who do not see yet believe. To those who believe in His name: who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
It’s funny how some comments sections to articles about the 2020 campaign are heavily trolled, like this one, and some are not at all. Has anyone else noticed this and know why? Is there a story behind this?
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It's part of the 2020 Republican Presidential campaign to troll every article on Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren with lies and smears dreamed up at Fox News, aka the Republican Party troll talking-points training camp.
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never mind the pregnancy bit. The Republicans should o after the way she discriminated against Blacks in her rentals, how she bankrupted those casinos and shredded the retirements of those employees, how she paid off those women, how she dodged the draft,
oops, wrong dossier.
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This will backfire on the Republicans. They are already having problems with suburban women. This will make those problems worse as women identify with this discrimination and rally to Elizabeth's defense.
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It will affect the Democrat nomination first. She's not the only possible Democrat candidate.
@Margo It’s “Democratic.” Don’t parrot the Great Non-Reader. It’s a bad look on you.
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The media and Democratic Party need to figure out how to handle the challenge to democracy that comes from pervasive spreading of lies through Facebook, Twitter, FOX, etc.
The GOP playbook guarantees that claims not remotely true will be spread widely and persistently. We've seen that hurt Biden. Whoever may be the eventual Democratic candidate will be damaged by lies in the absence of strategies to combat this.
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People are really eager to pounce on Warren for "lying" about her ethnic identity. I can say in my own experience, what my parents told me about my origins is what I believed--why wouldn't I? And if she grew up being told she was of Native descent, why wouldn't she believe and be proud of that? Is that really the same thing as lying? It's not like she made it up one day...
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Elizabeth Warren’s truthful responses are showing what a great nominee she will be to face Trump.
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A NYTimes commenter put it best....
The Repubs will do ANYTHING to win the 2020 election, because they will then have the chance to stack the Supreme Court with a 7-2 advantage (given the ages of our current Justices).
All progress that Dems put together over the next decades will eventually get snuffed out by the courts.
VOTE, and VOTE OUT EVERY REPUB. Your life in the "Land of the Free" is at stake. Vote like it.
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How mind bogglingly stupid!
It's one thing to come up with petty and childish attacks against one's opponent. It's quite another to attack your opponent on ground where your candidate is extremely vulnerable.
I can't believe that Republican strategists are that incompetent.
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She became a Democrat after studying bankruptcy and learning how the current legal system screws regular working people and pampers the powerful and wealthy who don't need help. She started the CFPB to try to level the playing field, provide useful information to consumers on loans, and to police creditor misbehavior that drives the most vulnerable deeper into debt. Unlike Republicans, she realized at some point, she wants everyone to thrive.
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I think the right-wing attacks on Warren are hypocritical and repugnant. But fact-checking is now sexist? I don’t think so.
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Why is this even news? If a dirty trick tactic works -- the Republicans will use it. The problem isn't that they do so. It's that the American electorate so readily falls for it.
Simply put, America is a bigoted, narrow-minded, far right wing society. All this hand wringing by liberals is useless.
We've got to move beyond shock and surprise each time we learn how dark and negative our society really is.
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The only sexist thropes being rolled out her are by the Senator lying about the impact of her pregnancy on her employment 40 years ago.
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Hillary was attacked for being a liar because she constantly lied. Despite claims that Warren's use of Indian heritage didn't enhance her career, it wasn't for lack of trying. Some of her actions were hardly innocent. In one case she was asked on a form what her heritage was. She indicated American Indian. Not 1%, 5% or 50% but just just American Indian. Considering Warren is less than 2% American Indian (and possibly much less), this defies belief. Warren is a liar.
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I thought Kelly Ann was fixing the opioid/OxyContin problem. Charged by our President. Silly me
Just another showman living in this ever growing swamp
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What a great tactic employed by Senator Warren and her team - turn Trump’s false claims into a teaching moment. In so doing, she gains further support and deflates the bag of wind sitting in the WH. Keep it up Liz!!
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When it comes to a discussion of integrity, how can Elizabeth Warren and Trump be compared in the same sentence? Wow.
Yes, if you're not for Wall Street-style epochal fraud, you must be a communist from Venezuela etc etc....
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After the clown Trump they dare talk about authenticity. She is 100 times more authentic than our clownish reality start traitor coward Trump. The only authentic thing about Trump is that he is a con-man who managed by a technicality to get himself elected president. Trump's legacy America's con-man President. A presidents whose carnage will take 20 years to clean up.
The words under Trump's presidential portrait.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".
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The Republican Party's tactics are old, bigoted, and misogynistic. Call them out each and every time. Get right in their fascist faces. A spineless politician from a spineless political party that supports Trump, and deserts the field of battle so our allies can be butchered has nothing to say about anybody. They should just crowd-fund for canteen money in support of their operatives who are in jail.
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'Can't teach an old dog new tricks.' That won't keep the old GOP dogs from tryin'!
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The Times writes, "But in the past week, conservative news sites have challenged Ms. Warren’s story about how a public school principal forced her out of a teaching job in 1971 because she was “visibly pregnant"...
Why is The Times lending credibility to right-wing propaganda outlets? Why pretend that this is an issue?
Is this yet another "emails" scandal that The Times promotes by treating it as if it were legitimate?
The Times needs to seriously consider what it's doing here.
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Everything in this article makes sense and rings true except for the central premise that calling a politician a liar is a "sexist trope".
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@Mmm
...for the central premise that calling a politician a liar is a "sexist trope".
Finally someone who cracked the code of NYT's implicit (bias) in indirect speech act and reporting.
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Welcome to day 993 of the GOP-Trump Toilet, America.
These folks don't have a decent bone in their bodies.
Make America Hate Again: Trump-GOP 2019
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Maybe Liz Warren just lied?
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Ah Republicans: what else is new? Liars, slanderers, racists, bigots, homophobes, xenophobes, misogynists faux Christians, crooks, crackpots, warmongers, traitors. They run on everything but their miserable policies and abysmal record: war, recession, defects, do nothingism. Hopefully on November 3, 2020 the American voter will flush those criminal cabal down the toilet of history, never to heard from again, except when they are finally carted off to the prison where they have so long belonged.
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What else is new? Character assassination is part of the playbook. Remember how many things they threw at Obama? Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, the house deal in Chicago, the "community organizer," the birthplace, the secret Muslim, etc.? All of that and worse will come at whomever is the 2020 Democratic nominee.
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Once Warren gets the nod - why not give her and Trump each 1500 characters daily...
Side-by-side...
On your front page...
Only thing you ask - that they write it themselves...
You'll get at least two more paid digital subscriptions out of it...
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I would hope NYT will come out this strongly in defence of Biden next time... haven’t seen that so far
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Democrats must never ever think that republicans would ever stoop too low, they’re shameless
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A new book "All the President's Women: Donald Trump and the Making of a Predator" is being released in 2 weeks, reportedly detailing 3 dozen new accounts from women Trump molested or sexually harassed over the years. A woman who attended a party at Mar-A-Lego with her dying husband details in an excerpt in Esquire how she was grabbed from behind a curtain by Trump who grabbed her and pulled her over by her private parts and kissed her. She was horrified. She'd never met Trump before and this is the first time she's told her story. Trump got her phone number from someone and repeatedly called her. He offered to send a plane to pick her up and bring her to Mar-A-Lago for the day and she replied she was caring for her dying husband. Trump replied "He doesn't have to know."
We know all about you Donald Trump.
If the Trump campaign thinks the way to go is to try humiliate Elizabeth Warren and claim she lied about being fired while pregnant they're more out of their minds than we currently know.
Trump hates women. It's like a plane skywriting every day "Trump hates women!"
Let's focus, organize and get rid of this jerk.
Go Liz go!
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Then it's up to you as journalists to not report
Trump republican nonsense and instead focus attention on her assets; skill, intelligence, helping average Americans.
No " Elizabeth" bashing pieces by the likes of
Maureen Dowd.
It's up to you.
Don't give the republicans fodder.
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Phone call to the president of Ukraine:
Quick there is a change of our story, it was not just the Bidens who were corrupt it was also Liz Warren who now is trying to rig the 2020 election, on behalf of of those treasonous Democrats. You have 5 days to investigate, before I may be impeached. Contact Giuliani or Barr.
Your pal ,Donald.
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They're not "sexist tropes" if they're true.
From Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr.:
"Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."
It has also been conclusively demonstrated that Ms. Warren's separation from her 1971 teaching job was voluntary and had nothing to do with a pregnancy. Unfortunately the school principal she needlessly smeared is no longer alive to defend himself.
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Most traditionalists (even Democrat-leaning ones) won’t openly say, “I won’t vote for a woman.” Instead, they jump on any ridiculous pretext to justify voting against a good candidate. This is why a lot of people didn’t vote for Hillary even though they really, really didn’t want Trump to win. Let’s hope they grow up by 2020.
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I watched the video linked here.
It's great!
Go Liz!
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Attacking authenticity is a tactic reserved for women?
Al Gore's war record was "swift-boated," as was George H.W. Bush's, and Barack Obama's very citizenship was questioned.
I think we're straining to make this a feminist issue.
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Warren reminds me of my sixth grade english teacher who I didn't like. I bet she reminds others as well. There is really no warmth there just a lot of fist clenching.
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Let me see if I get this straight: politicians questioning each others' authenticity is sexist? Huh? It's a tried and true method that happens all the time. Some examples:
1) Accusations Obama was not really Christian, but really Muslim.
2) Accusations Obama was not born in the United States
3) Accusations Romney was a phoney pretending to care about the average American after the video surfaced of him telling a moneyed audience that a significant portion of Americans pay no taxes, want handouts, and can never be recruited by Republicans.
4) The swift boating of John Kerry.
5) In Canada right now, Trudeau's blackface pictures raising accusations his progressive stance is a facade.
6) Ditto in Canada accusations that his main rival, Scheer (another Man) is inauthentic because he lied about being an insurance broker.
As a minority, I'm VERY careful about making accusations of racism because, like crying wolf, it looses efficacy if you pull the trigger frequently and with questionable bases. Please learn how to pick your battles.
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Pocahontas is an American heroine and so is Elizabeth Warren.
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So by highlighting this story Harrington and the RNC hopes to show that Warren “cannot be trusted”. Now THATS funny - and sad and oh so full of hypocrisy.
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One of the strongest arguments for Elizabeth Warren for President is to simply judge her by looking at who her enemies are. Big banks, Wall street, Amazon as a monopoly, Zuckerberg's policy of allowing lies to spread on FB, and now, misogyny. Go Liz!
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Waren was hoping to be the first native american and woman as President. Sadly those hopes have been dashed.
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Can't wait to see her debate Trump. She'll take him to the woodshed.
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She was raised with a bunch of brothers...and learned how to fight fair.
Then she got into politics, and is learning how to deal with dirty fighting.
So far, she has turned every negative story about her into a positive. Fired for being pregnant? Hey, I am an angry old white man...and I can remember women being forced out of the workplace when they got pregnant - if for no other reason than to assure that no health care charges would come to the employer.
And "No support from Democratic donors on Wall Street"?
She has made it know that she doesn't NEED them.
Oh, and 'tax the rich'??? heck yes! Who else has any money in this country after 40 years of trickle-down voodoo economics?
"I have a plan for that." ....she says, and so far every one of her plans makes a lot of sense to me.
We have a choice - we can replace the corrupt plutocrat currently ruining this country, or we can change direction, and head off a serious tragedy.
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The GOP are an insufferable lot, aren't they?
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How can Republicans’ opinions on anything be credible at this point in time. Their candidate who they still fully support is the least credible person ever to occupy the White House. How is it possible for anyone to take any Trump supporting Republican (that’s all of them except for one who left the party) seriously? Those who do seem mentally ill like Trump.
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So GOP playbook is for Elizabeth Warren to lose some of her authenticity which would sway voters to the totally inauthentic Donald J. Trump? GOP considers voters to be dumber than dirt. Voters, prove them wrong.
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Should we expect anything less from the party of Trump?
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I don't know if anyone else bothered to look this up--the reporter doesn't seem to have--but Warren's daughter Amelia was born in very early September 1971, and thus, she would indeed have been 5-6 months pregnant at the end of the school year, and if that was indeed an issue at that school at that time, which others who were there say it was, the whole story makes perfect sense.
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The republican sexist portray against Elizabeth Warren will likely backfire on them. Certainly, they will not lose their stalwart dupes, ultra orthodox christian, anti LGBTQ and xenophobic immigration haters. However, many women and men will take exception to their anti women approach.
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I don't know that it's sexist. They questioned John Kerry's authenticity too. Wasn't that a tactic against Dukakis as well? Heck Barack Obama's very nationality and birthplace were questioned, as well as his religion.
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Elizabeth Warren is an open book and as honest and authentic as they come. The fact that Republicans would stoop to the same old vicious swift-boating of good people while defending the lying scofflaw thug Trump says more about them than her. Their world view is twisted beyond recognition where Republicans, however much they lie and hide their records and break and mock the law are always good, and Democrats, however smart and brave warriors, and law-abiding citizens they are, are always bad. Republicans have nothing to offer but negativity.
It's going to be a long year.
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Trump has been hit with everything in the book, some deserved and some straight out of the gutter. Now we are to worry that Warren is being “attacked over authenticity, a sexual trope”.
As wrong as it is, these tactics will be front and center in a campaign against Warren. That's why a male has the better chance of being trxmp. That would take a lot of air out of their campaign of attack, slander and innuendo. It's too bad, but this isn't the time for symbols. The female president can wait.
One day Kellyanne might stray from her default script. What a thing to be her. To be so imprisoned by her own hatefulness is a terrible burden for someone to bear.
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As predictable as the notion that the sun will rise tomorrow. Misleading Willie Horton ads brought down Dukakis. Swiftboat lies sank Kerry. “But her emails” absurdity undid Clinton. Get ready for Republican attacks on Warren, but know that will almost certainly be based on lies. The Republican Party cannot win in a fair fight. Recognize it, and never let them get away with their lies.
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@wills11111
Truly!,, it doesn’t bother you one whit that Trump has told over 12,000 lies so far
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@wills11111
Republicans will scare people with the likely pending reality that their 401ks will take a beating and she is no lock to win the election but It seems to me most improbable that people won’t vote for her because she exaggerated the extent of her native American ancestry in pursuit of career advancement .
@wills11111
"hard to think of any single mistake being as immediately disqualifying" -- have you overlooked Trump's blatant remarks on tape about assaulting women being utterly ignored by millions of voters who chose him over a better qualified woman? As for lying about her racial identity, she does have native American DNA -- very small, but still evident.
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Republicans love fake narratives and conspiracy theories.They could turn Mother Teresa into a questionable personality.Remember that Trump spent several years questioning Obama’s biography insisting that he was not an American.Republicans are equal opportunity purveyors of falsehoods.Any Democrat will come in for criticism-Elizabeth Warren is not the only recipient of manufactured Republican scorn.
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@JANET MICHAEL
I'd hate to be accused of defending Republicans, but a glance at Wikipedia's "Criticism of Mother Teresa" article shows that she was hardly an uncontroversial figure. As a point of fact, Mother Teresa's charitable work and political positions have received considerable well-founded criticism over the years. A number of investigators, including an editor of British medical journal The Lancet, found that care at her facilities was "haphazard" and "glorified suffering," and that her "hallowed image...does not stand up to analysis." Dismissing something as a "conspiracy theory" is a much too easy way to disregard facts that are inconvenient to one's own favored narratives. In the realm of media-driven politics we are almost always dealing with spin.
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Pregnancy discrimination in teaching jobs was a real problem in the 60’ s and 70’s. Many of us were the sole wage earners while our husbands went back to school after their military service commitments. My husband had served in the Navy and then went grad school. I went to work. Remember that this was before modern contraception was easily available. We squeaked by on my salary. Fortunately he finished in time- but I would not have been allowed to continue the next year.
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Warren should tell the public specifically why she switched from the Republican to the Democratic party and what her reasons were.
Interesting that Hillary Clinton also made this switch. Her father was Republican, as a teen she canvassed for Nixon, and later was a "Goldwater Girl". Barry Goldwater was the arch conservative of the GOP.
Would Warren as an earlier Republican have ever created and promoted the CFPB--Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?
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I became a Republican as a result of finding the ERA in the 1952 Republican platform. I liked Ike - saw him during the campaign and as a high school student was a page at the 1956 state convention. The ERA continued to be in the platform until 1980. I have letters from 1976 where the National chairs confirmed that it would be retained. It was not included in 1980 under Reagan and with Reagan’s southern strategy the party left me. I had been quite active - being a delegate to state conventions and serving in local and count party positions. With fewer and fewer of my moderate Republican friends stayed during the next few years. I was independent for a time but now consider myself a Democrat. I am a little older than Ms Warren but have no question about why she might have followed a similar path. The Republican and Democratic parties are both very different from what they were when we first participated.
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The idea that Trump, the “self-made billionaire” who only got a small loan of $1 million (plus an extra half-billion) from his father, who claims to be a man of the people, would attack the authenticity of Senator Warren is so rich it should release its taxes. I bet it pays more than Trump does.
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@Thad
Not quite sure what you are saying. Are you saying that (a) Trump isn't authentic, so it does not matter whether Warren is inauthentic, or (b) Warren must be authentic, because Trump is not? Significantly, what I do not hear you saying is that Warren actually is authentic.
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Nothing the GOP can say will change my mind about how much I love Elizabeth Warren. I cannot wait to vote for her.
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@Casey
"Nothing can change my mind" is the very definition of irrational.
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Republicans have not need to use subtle means to diminish her appeal. Frankly, they think she would be an ideal representative for the Democrats. Her lack of appeal to the general electorate will be based on her anti-business, socialist, regulatory approach to running the Country. Those are views that she has a long track record of supporting and very specific proposals currently part of her platform.
In other words, there is no need for Republicans to be subtle about her when she is being so overt in her beliefs all by herself.
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Warren is a good person, smart and honorable I believe. But so is Biden and I think he would not only make a great president but has a better chance of beating Trump because he doesn't generate fear among moderate conservatives and independents like Warren does. Also, while I may be more to the left than Biden is, I know we have both the left and the right in the US and the best leader will be one that is pragmatic and doesn't alienate half the people in our country.
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@Jay Casey - "...and the best leader will be one that is pragmatic and doesn't alienate half the people in our country."
Then why on earth did the Democratic Party put up Hillary Clinton when it was clear that half the country would vote for Trump simply to stop her from being Queen of the World?
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What will get Trump re-elected is the same thing that got him elected in the first place: discouraging/suppressing voter turnout.
The Russian-Republican team has established the gold standard for U.S. voter disenfranchisement. Only through a suppressed turnout does the Russian-Republican side have a chance at prevailing against democracy in 2020.
Fortunately for Sen. Warren, highlighting the issue of pregnancy discrimination is likely to drive voter turnout among women across almost all socio-economic groups.
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Remind me how a presidential candidate not previously in any elected or government office was able to suppress votes? There must be a good story you can tell.
Elizabeth and her team are brilliant at re-framing issues.
This has been a Democratic weakness. Linquist George Lakoff wrote "Don't Think of an Elephant!: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate". They say 'We need tax relief' and Dems respond 'We don't need tax relief.' So taxes are framed as a form of pain.... And so on.
I can't wait for the debates! Donald's scared of Elizabeth for good reason. His 'reality distortion field' won't work on her.
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If republicans go after a woman about issues concerning her pregnancy they are making a huge mistake. Hopefully this will guarantee Ms. Warren 75% of the women's vote and a majority
of the men's vote if she is the nominee.
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I was a skeptic, but Ms Warren is slowly turning me into a believer. Much quicker on her feet than Biden, and much sharper.
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I sincerely hope that, if Senator Warren wins the Democratic nomination, Trump bases his campaign strategy on her dishonesty. A woman who has apparently lied twice, or a man who is unable to tell the truth. That will be a difficult choice.
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Key to the GOP's campaign strategy is to smear whomever the Dems nominate. This strategy was been central to the GOP playbook for years (remember how war hero John Kerry was swiftboated), though Trump has elevated the strategy to an art form.
Any Dem who begins to rise in popularity will face an onslaught of lies, baseless attacks, and character assassinations. Warren is experiencing these now precisely because her campaign prospects are looking up.
While I agree Warren is playing things well at the present, we all need to keep in mind that no matter how well one counters the GOP mudslinging, some amount of stink will still stick, even if the person is a saint.
Look back at Hillary Clinton. The MSM still falls into the trap of referring to her as a uniquely disliked and unpopular candidate, and that that is one reason Trump won. Well, an accurate historical view shows that Clinton, as Secty of State, was enormously popular in poll after poll. It was only after she emerged as a candidate for 2016 that the GOP attack machine started smearing and slandering her. Even though every investigation -- Benghazi, emails -- came up with no wrongdoing, many Americans came to feel there was something wrong with Clinton and her popularity dropped. Personality attacks based on her gender were used like grenades. Clinton's popularity dropped not because of anything she did, but because of these relentless attacks.
EW, or whoever ends up as the Dem nominee, will face the same problem.
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@Richard Fleming - Hillary Clinton fought every bit as hard to hide 30,000 emails as Donald Trump has fought to hide his tax returns.
But Democrats rally the wagons around Hillary all claiming that there is nothing in the emails except discussions about yoga and Chelsea's wedding...which is why Hillary had a team of 5 lawyers hitting the delete key as fast as possible.
Not one Democratic supporter ever saw those emails, they just took them on faith. The same faith that the Trump supporters have in their candidate.
I don't need a president who has a secret server hiding emails from the State Department, do you?
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@tom harrison
Most Dems I know felt Clinton should not have deleted those emails. It was a mistake on her part.
My point is that two FBI investigations into the Clinton email issue found nothing prosecutable. Nonetheless, the GOP continually invoked the email issue (including her use of a private email account for govt business, just like Colin Powell used before her) and Benghazi (Republican-led investigation came up with no wrong-doing) to tar her, along with gender-based attacks (shrill, not friendly). The GOP relies on character assassination because they know they can’t compete effectively on policy issues.
In the 2020 campaign, whether it is Trump or Pence carrying the GOP’s torch, the GOP will most assuredly go after the character, ethics, morality, and personality of whoever the Dems nominate, as well as calling them un-American, socialist, and disparage their physical appearance. You and all reasonable people who have lived in America the last few decades know that will happen.
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@Richard, nothing, I repeat, nothing would have changed my mind about refusing to vote for Hilary Clinton. I remember too much.
This tactic suggests a well-earned fear of unhinged GOP strategists who plucked the logs from their own eyes to throttle sensible traditional conservatives. I welcome back conservatives who reflected on their oaths, values, and, by the hour, are taking responsibility for their own public legacies which history will soon cement. Perhaps an impeachment may be the very first time Trump is held accountable in his life for anything. No wonder he is puzzled and frothing. “Derangement syndrome” is just a perfectly natural response of Americans familiar with democracy, the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Watching Trump hug our flag used to feel mildly creepy to me. Visualizing John McCain in place of the American Flag instantly clarified everything. See you on Election Day.
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"I think I'll have a beer..." hurt her worse in my view than either the NA or pregnancy reference. Her home made video was so inauthentic, to me, I about gagged. She well might make an excellent pres but her attempts to self identify with certain groups is a weak spot in her story. Tell her to knock it off. She is what we see...a blue eyed, white, intellectual trying to pass herself off as a downtrodden something or other.
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I will vote for Warren over Trump, if she’s the nominee.
But it seems she’s yet again been caught in a lie. How is that a “sexist trope?”
I want Trump to be beaten - for many reasons, but especially because I fought alongside Kurdish peshmerga in Iraq in multiple tours.
I want the strongest nominee to oppose Trump. But I fear he will use these lies of hers (this and the Native American lie, and the “misdirection” about not taking large donations) to yet again sway the small group of Midwestern voters that won him the electoral college.
This exposure of Warren’s pattern of lying is what primaries are all about - to weed out the poor candidates and get the strongest one. It’s not a “trope,” or unfair; it’s politics.
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@Stephen It doesn't seem as though she's been caught in a lie, what do you mean?
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Did you read the article? How is it a lie? The principal told her not to come back! Hello!
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For those who secretly didn't care that Joe Biden was attacked by Trump because you're really Elizabeth Warren fans and want to see her rise to the top: by not being outraged by Trump's character assassination of Biden, you have tacitly permitted the same tactics to now be used on Warren.
Unite, democrats. The future of the world is at stake.
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I support Elizabeth Warren, share many but not all of her plans, contribute to her campaign, intend to vote for her in the NYS Democratic primary (bar a major shift or slip up), and will vote for her in the main election next November should she win the nomination. I couldn’t care less what the GOP has to say about her because when I look at the GOP I see Trump, and when I see Trump I see lies, and cheats, and cruelty, and misogyny, and bullying, and corruption, and destruction, and one big dead end. Slander all they want, but unless Elizabeth Warren goes out on Fifth Avenue and shoots someone, I am on her side.
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It may be sexist. But women politicians need to be able to take whatever attacks that come their way if they are to be serious contenders. And politics isn't always decent.
Also, we have never thought about it, but how many attacks do male politicians endure, which women tend to be spared, and we don't call it sexist, we just laugh at it. I remember a cartoon showing some male politicians dressed up as street prostitutes. And I just laughed at it, as did everyone else.
Equality for women in politics would mean having mud be slung at them and it not being an "issue." Saying it's an "issue" is like saying women are too fragile to be part of that game. And, yeah, some might be. Those who want to be part of that anyway probably don't appreciate being treated as damsels in distress.
In a democracy, being a politician includes being insulted and scorned in every way people can think of. If you can take it, then people respect you. By the way, Elizabeth Warren has something going for her in terms of her taking on Wall Street.
And there is something about the shrillness -- or not shrillness but it's something that only women can do -- with which she dresses down all those overweight out of shape fat cat Male CEO's of banks which is like Margaret Thatcher and somehow is powerful in a way a man couldn't be.
Men are sometimes obliged to be "nice" at times in order to be seen as likeable, whereas a woman can clean house. Don't try to "rescue" her, she doesn't need it.
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@Damian But it's pretty different if female candidates are shown dressed as "street prostitutes." They may be able to withstand it fine, but it's much, much uglier.
This entire “gets it” thing must be applied to the men and women in the Republican Party who perpetuate this kind of opposition research and propaganda. The electorate is rapidly changing. Younger people (especially women and persons of color) are sophisticated and intellectually prepared to determine these are lies and half truths. The Republican operatives need to get that. Republicans are a dying power.
I want nothing more than to have Trump and Pence out of the White House. Warren is like Clinton 2.0. I so want to like her but that explanation of her use of Native American ancestry is just not credible. Just be honest and give a real answer and move on. The sideshow with DNA analysis makes me also question the judgment of her handlers. It was absurd and embarrassing to still claim that ancestry after those abysmal test results. Really?!?! Now, we have this convoluted tale of firing and resignation.
The average voter will not trust her, especially when she has to explain that her embracing the mantle of socialism will not create all of the horrors that repubs will claim.
We cannot lose this one.
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Typical GOP strategy of the last 30 or so years. They can't win a policy debate so their attack becomes personal. Not one word of mention from the RNC critical of Warren's many concrete policy positions. This is all the GOP has. For decades it's been deregulation, tax cuts and what a terrible job government does at anything. Oh, and the POC is responsible for your lot in life.
Elizabeth Warren 2020!!
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Thank you, NYT, for being more deliberate this time about covering the sexism that presidential candidates experience. Contributing to sexist narratives was a major failing of NYT's coverage of the 2016 race. Words like "likeability" and "authenticity" carry baggage when being applied to a woman candidate. Whatever a woman does, it is never seen as "enough," especially when she aspires to power.
@MWT, PhD
"Whatever a woman does, it is never seen as 'enough,' especially when she aspires to power."
This is not true, and there are powerful women who became/are successful while being consistent, and exuded integrity, e.g. Hannah Arendt or Seyran Ates.
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By all means let’s hold ourselves to lofty standards while the side other lies, cheats and steals.
The press release is complicit in this. Reporting every one of these breathlessly.
The Republican slime machine just isn’t going to work this time around. Whatever they say about the Democratic candidates (even if true and these stories rarely are) pales in comparison to the horror of the Trump presidency, his corruption, his treatment of women, his backwards economic and environmental policies, and constant lies.
Whoever the Democratic nominee is, they have my vote, my monetary support, and my time and effort to relieve us of this stain on the country.
Republican hypocrisy truly knows no bounds. The article quotes a Republican spokeswoman saying, “Like her false claim of Native American status, this is another example of Warren seemingly shifting the facts of her life story for personal gain.”
Let's correct that, shall we? . . .
“Like his false claim of being a self-made billionaire, expert in economics, foreign policy, and everything else, and like his false claim of having done no impeachable offense, this is another example of Trump seemingly shifting the facts of his life story for personal gain.”
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The Republicans are clearly worried about a woman who is smarter than all the talking heads in the White House combined, and has more courage of conviction than all the Republican Senate can muster. Republican trolls should be worried when a Democrat has ideas which work, who has actually helped consumers, and cannot be intimidated by their empty-headed bluster. Trump is an empty vessel who floats lower into the muck of his own ideas day after day, who has betrayed all creditors, wives, is really friendless in this world, now deals death to allies on bewildering logic (Kurds were not there in Normandy on D-Day) which really lays bare a wasteland of a mind in that vacant dome called his head.
Warren is one to be feared when you are doing no good and violating laws with much abandon. When she is elected this country will find its' sense of right after being led wrong for four years....if Trump makes it that long. He has own pardon already planned just as some planned prison breaks well in advance.
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Trump is a serial liar. The GOP is being run into the ground by two men: McConnell and Trump. McConnell seems to have lost all capability of independent thought with Trump in office.
The GOP can use that old tactic all it wants. However, for those of us who have been discriminated against because of our feminine gender, whether due to pregnancy, the possibility of pregnancy, the possibility that we might marry, her story rings true. And for anyone who knows anything about Oklahoma or America's history with Native Americans, her having some Cherokee ancestry makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why the American Indians decided to be angry with her rather than Trump.
If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee I'll take Elizabeth Warren. She's shown that she can change her mind when the data warrants it. I have yet to read of another politician doing that. I have yet to read of any politician admitting s/he made a mistake.
I want Warren to persist. I want her to continue to be a thorn in the side of the GOP. This is not about her gender, her looks, or her ancestry. It's about our willingness as Americans to accept that a woman can do just as good a job as a man as president. It's about how this country is being run for the benefit of the richest rather than all of us. Taxing the rich will not drive out the job creators. Bad government will and we've got plenty of that going around.
10/10/2019 5:18pm first submit
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Regrettably, it’s not only the “conservative” nationalist press that’s been on the attack. It’s also the main stream media that wants to keep the status quo, thus they’re support for VP Biden.
Attacks on Senator Warren have come from the Times, Post, CNN, MSNBC and others, which have labeled her as “far left”, “left fringe”, or, gulp! “Progressive”, as if her ideas and platform came from a sort of Maoist, “Shining Light” messianic charlatan. In fact, Senator Warren’s platform is based on informed and intellectually developed evidence; indeed, she has been very clear that what the country screams for is “Capitalism With Rules”. That is, a return at the very least, or revised FDR era regulations that worked so well since 1940s, but that meritocrats lead by Milton Friedman destroyed it. Senator Warren has also been attacked for talking about her ethnic background - never understood why the DNA test was denounced, though she proved to have Native American heritage. And also for being a woman, period
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In 2016, Sanders criticized Clinton over and over for her speeches to Wall Street banks, with no evidence about what she had said (which turned out to be well-measured remonstrances to the effect that Wall St. needs to mend its ways). Oh yeah, and she was getting paid to speak (at about 1/2 what other people got). How dare she do that?! That infighting put a significant dent into Clinton's reputation when the election came around and caused a number of voters to sit on their hands (and backsides) instead of voting for her. And here we are now.
I hope that Sanders and the rest of the Democratic candidates have learned from that mistake and won't make it again.
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I suppose we should have had a coronation instead of a primary. Get over yourself with the negativity regarding Sanders. He has more integrity than you could ever hope to have. His policies, the ones considered too far left, are now mainstream. We owe Bernie a boatload of gratitude for all he has done for the poor, working and middle class.
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Liz Harrington and Kellyann Conway have a lot of nerve claiming Warren is a liar when Trump lies every single day; multiple lies daily.
No matter who is the Democratic nominee, she/he will have my support. We must rid the stain of Trumpism.
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@Sue Salvesen
Yes, of course. Warren must be telling the truth, always, because Trump is a liar. That makes perfect sense.
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It’s Swift-Boating again.
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But I thought accusations of inauthenticity were sexist! You don't say, male politicians get accused of that too?!
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My question is, as a subscriber, will the Times lend the Republican Smear Machine a hand? They did with HRC. You’ve parroted false claims against Biden already. Being non-partisan is well and good, but helping along the lies of known liars is not.
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Nobody's buying Hillary Clinton's whining that sexism cost her the election, and it won't sell with Warren either.
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It doesn’t help that she lied about her ethnic identity.
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@Saint Leslie Ann Of Geddes: She did not.
Read the article, she did not lie.
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I support Warren, but saying that attacking a candidate's "auhenticity" is a "sexist trope" is dumb and actually harmful to Warren. John Kerry, Al Gore, and even Obama all faced authenticity attacks. No doubt that female candidates do face sexism, but calling every attack on a female candidate "sexist" risks a backlash and produces nothing but resentment against the candidate.
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In 1972, early in my marriage, I interviewed for a job as a driver's license examiner. One of the individuals interviewing me (they were all male) asked me why I wanted to work, didn't I want to stay home and have babies? I don't remember my answer; I do remember coming home and ranting to my husband about the unfairness of the question. Years later I realized that I was a bit early for dealing with gendered job discrimination. I once told my sons that if a man tried something like that now (in the 90s), he wouldn't even manage to make his lips move to phrase the question. I get where Elizabeth Warren is coming from and I applaud her and her supporters for holding their ground.
And, BTW, where do they get these staffers who come up with something like Fauxcahontas? Has the miscreant in the oval office destroyed the brain cells of everyone around him?
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It is time to remind America that no member of the Trump family has ever served in a armed service....Trump wraps himself around the flag but failed to answer the call to arms when his turn was on the horizon: the Trumps are all liars and cowards.
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@Rick And how many Obama family members have served?
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So...if you criticize a female politician for lying or outright corruption it's misogynist?
Liz lied about her American Indian heritage. Whether it promoted her career is debatable, she was listed in the Harvard Law School faculty roster as a minority, but regardless she absolutely lied. Her DNA showed she is no more from Native American ancestry than the average Caucasian American.
She lied about being fired for being pregnant. She decided to go to law school and quit. It's not about her being a woman, she lied.
A lawyer, who said Kavanaugh was not qualified for the Supreme Court, based on an allegation that had absolutely no supporting evidence, the witnesses named said they knew nothing about, and then denied him the right to cross-examine her, even though it is a right guaranteed in our Constitution, really has no basis to accuse others of unfair attacks. Then, the NYT threw another accusation at him in which the "victim" had no memory of the attack and Liz said Kavanaugh needed to be impeached. She's as pure as the driven snow!
Taking away people's health insurance which they've paid for because other people don't have good health insurance isn't socialist, it's Marxist. Blaming the "wealthy" for income inequality when she was paid $400,000 to teach one class at Harvard is just bald face hypocrisy.
There is nothing unfair or inappropriate in attacking her. She's led her life, she's made her statements, now she has to defend it...even if she's a woman.
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Bravo! You said it right. In the same vein, DJT shouldn’t defend himself. He should just decline to engage with impeachment enquiry.
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One point you touched on: the demand that someone be impeached based in public opinion rather than fact. Warren should know better - it simply reinforced the idea that the impeachment talk is politicized.
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Oh, we can all see where this is going. Future Republican attacks on Elizabeth Warren:
"Elizabeth Warren: did she pay off porn stars for silence regarding marital infidelity?"
"Does Elizabeth Warren watch too much TV?"
"What's really in Elizabeth Warren's tax returns?"
"Could Elizabeth Warren be a Russian puppet?"
"Did Elizabeth Warren bankrupt her own casinos?"
"Elizabeth Warren misspelled a word in a tweet!"
"Elizabeth Warren: grabber of others' private parts"
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There are things I like about Warren, but the Native American thing is going to stick. It is almost the perfect conservative scandal. The simple version, easily conveyed to voters, is that liberal Harvard elites such as Warren use diversity as a sham to advance their own careers while keeping the average blue-collar white guy down. Most voters aren’t going to dig into the nuances of whether she actually benefitted or not. Most voters also aren’t being going to have the patience to dig into what exactly is happening with Ukraine, but they can understand Fauxcahontas. Nominating Warren will be very risky.
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So criticizing Elizabeth Warren for lying is sexism now?
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Warren's response video is brilliant and measured. Such a contrast to the raving lunatic in the WH.
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No! Once American voters saw past trump’s various transgressions backed by witnesses, the same American voters would be hypocritical and driven by sheer sexism if they paid any attention to any of this nonsense.
If anyone can parry Trump's ham-handed, witless and belligerent nicknames and slander, it's Elizabeth Warren. All she has to do is tell the truth and expose this fraud and his enablers over and over and over.
Keep your left hand up and the haymaker cocked and ready to punch, Ms. Warren. You can outflank and out-think this clown while asleep. Looking forward to the debates, where you reduce this recalcitrant and corrupt traitor to a pool of foul ichor.....
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More editorials, pretending to be news analysis. Warren is a serial liar and the attacks are quite fair.
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Warren/Buttigieg 2020.
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This is one of those sexist tropes deployed against Al Gore and John Kerry, right?
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"Confidently parried"? Is this a news article or a press release from Ms. Warren's campaign?
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@Jeff
Now that Biden is damaged goods and Bernie has had his heart attack the NYT is all in with Warren.
She will get 60% of the female vote. Trump is hated by the female vote outside of Florida women who seem brainless at best. Texas will turn on Trump this time. Majority feel he is a crook. I see pictures of Trump with the porno star, the playboy girl, Putin’s spy also known as Melania, and the recent writer who claims she was raped by Trump. It maybe best for the Republican Party if he resigns for when Democrats get control all of Trumps projects will be reversed.
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Why don't the Dems be smart and do the same thing in reverse? Start calling him President Bone Spurs or the illegitimate President. Say it enough time until it registers. But Dems are afraid of the Despot and his violent base. No one dare go up against his hoodlums including Russians and Turks.
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Classic Democratic trope - don't worship a female democratic candidate? You're misogynist.
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Please have Ms. Warren publish her employment application to Harvard with specific reference to her ethnic origin. Also please have her explain the discrepancy in her own versions of why she lost a teaching job in the past. After that we can discuss her authenticity. I would like these issues resolved before the 2020 election. I'm not willing to vote for any corrupt politicians, Republican or Democrat.
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Let's see Trumps tax return and college transcripts as well.
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@Toni
There will be more. As someone who has been living in Massachusetts among right wing media obsessed with Warren, I can tell you they have a lot more saved up. Probably planning a drip, drip, drip campaign.
@Toni If you'll only vote for a person who's never lied Toni, I'm afraid I have some rather bad news.
Yes....women were fired for being pregnant back then. It happened. But the question is, did it happen to Elizabeth Warren as she's claiming it did? It's a simple question.
If there is evidence that she resigned by choice, then she needs to stop claiming she was fired.
And yes, I am well aware that Trump lies with impunity. We aren't talking about him here though.
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What happened to Elizabeth Warren is exactly what happened to me one year earlier. In June I was 8 months pregnant, and asked to appear in the superintendent's office. I was told that I would be given an excellent recommendation to wherever I wanted to go --but not back to this district. The reason given? The superintendent believed that mothers should be at home. I was also told that I could hand in a letter of resignation, which is what any teacher would prefer in her file--rather than the notation: fired. But the message was crystal clear: We are firing you because you are pregnant, but we will allow you to resign so that "fired" is not on your record. This is likely the same scenario Elizabeth faced.
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Sorry can’t have different morality codes for men and women, Democratic or republican.
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@RP Smith Just about everyone in Trump's cabinet who he's fired "resigned" too RP.
Giving nay-sayers every benefit of the doubt, when placed under a microscope there are no perfect Democratic candidates. My advice is, get over it. She's got what it takes to help this country climb out of the mess we're in. Nevertheless she persisted ...
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She'll be President, I think, but the problem of the Republicans will remain.
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What a Trump campaign strategy. Making a Trump opponent look like he/she cannot be trusted.
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I am reasonably confident that Elizabeth Warren will be our next President. She has an authentic story. She was not born with a silver spoon in one hand and a rich daddy's hand in the other.
There is no way the Republicans or any other detractors can refute this.
The attacks on her "authenticity" are either fake or hair-splittingly absurd. The upside that their attacks can only make her more attractive as a candidate.
Americans like to see the underdog overcome, just as she has done.
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@gpickard - "She has an authentic story."
??? The more I learn about Elizabeth Warren, the less authentic she becomes. Its a good story and belongs on the fiction shelf in the library.
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Meh. This is the tried-and-true Karl Rove strategy to attack Democrat opponents on their strengths, no matter how supposedly unassailable, not their weaknesses. The closest comparison is the swift-boating of John Kerry, a man.
Frankly, Democrats would do well to do the same, and persistently: Trump's wealth, his alleged business success, his wife's dubious immigration file.
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@Uxf Trump's (supposed) wealth, endless lies, self-aggrandizement and corruption are all well known by rational people, and simply don't register with his desperately frightened base. Negative campaigning has become nauseatingly common, and many of us are sick of it. I'll hit the mute button the minute it starts. Let's concentrate on issues and solutions instead of personal attacks, three-word chants, and who can bully up better schoolyard nicknames.
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Amazing; Trump will tell more lies today alone than she will over the next year on the campaign trail, yet American media will still hold it up as somehow equal and deserving of robust daily attention. It's exactly how the right in America played the media with your last election; when there is no lie to report, they will make one up and attribute it to her.
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Oh, come on - there is a lot more we are going to learn about this senator.
This sentence caught my attention :
"..In doing so, Republicans employed a tactic — questioning a female candidate’s authenticity — that is at once often a sexist trope in politics and a strategy used against Hillary Clinton in 2016..."
Surely, I am not naive to believe that this tactic made her to lose the election.
Until the very Tuesday night - Hillary was talking about her victory as a forgone conclusion as in saying not "if I become a POTUS" but "when I become one."
Hillary lost for a lot of reasons but I say for two reasons : 1. She took the election for granted. And 2. She is really not a likeable person despite Obama famously assuring her.
I think this senator in that regard is still a canvass to be painted.
Interestingly, Diane Feinstein endorsed Joe - that should be a warning.
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Seriously? Clinton lost because she wasn’t ‘likeable’? If you’re judging all the candidates on likeability I would rate her far higher than the petty, crass, rude and bigoted man who won - but then, you weren’t holding them to the same standard, were you.
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here's the ugly truth Ive learned over many years in operations management: many women are unsupportive of other women. rather than cooperate or collaborate, they backstab and undermine each other. Add that to the evangelical view of women in leadership, Warren (or any woman) has a big hill to overcome.
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Some commenters are labeling Warren as a liar over the pregnancy story and the claim of being Native American, both of which are explained and debunked in the article. But few of these explanations will matter to many voters. Once the accusation is out there, the accused must respond, and this is exactly what republicans want. Attack always. And while your opponent tries to dig out from under the lies, attack again regardless of the truth. In fact, the the bigger the lie the better. And no one will play this game better than trump.
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@CP - Debunked? Did or did not Elizabeth Warren apologize to the Cherokee Nation for her ethnic claim? Is the Cherokee Nation a sexist group of Republicans out to smear her? The lies are coming from Ms. Warren and she has no one to blame but herself.
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Ms. Warren is alleged to have “spun” her Native American heritage in attempts to get faculty positions. She also may have spun how she left a teaching job, to help her identify with people who were discriminated against, in attempts to get elected to the US Senate and Democratic Presidential nomination. Such prevarications are common in job applications and political campaigns. She will admit to having done so when President Trump admits to trying to extort the Ukrainian President into investigating Joe Biden. Never.
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Considering that Warren was a Republican until 1996, it's sort of hard to see them successfully painting her as the second coming of Lenin. Then again, the GOP has never let history or reality get in the way of their ideological propensity for mendacity and manipulation of public perception.
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if we can weather four years of Trump as an "experiment", then we can certainly weather four years of Elizabeth Warren!
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E Warren really looks fake. I’m not against an alternative for Trump. I’m more rooting for Bernie as his agenda is much more consistent. All that grassroot talk feels more genuine. Warren is what a modern bot. All she does is heavily targeted. Mark my words.
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@Alex Consider them marked.
@Alex In other words, the male candidate is "genuine," the female candidate "looks fake." Got it! (And please, let's not hear from all the people saying that of course they would vote for a woman, but that the right one just never happens to run...)
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Fear will drive these Republicans to do What they do. I see this as a positive move. They recognize Elizabeth Warren as a threat.
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As a woman in a STEM field where promotion depends on getting selected by men for highly visible projects, I heard it said out loud: "Don't give it to her, she's only going to get pregnant anyway."
This kind of political attack will harden the resolve of women voters to support Warren!!!
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Any chance any of the Democrats who have been hitting rival Democrat candidates as hard as the Trump camp have learned from this that there’s no such thing as a candidate so lily white s/he can’t possibly be smeared? And that the circular firing square isn’t a winning strategy for Democrats to take back the White House? Nope? I didn’t think so.
If she was a Republican front runner the press would be giving her the Kavanaugh treatment. They would be interviewing every teacher at that school. They would find people to discredit her. You’re only a woman or a minority if you are a democrat.
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@Jim Em, not sure if you've seen a picture of all the Republican members of the House and Senate Jim. Not too many dark or female faces there. It's not that you're only a woman or a minority if you're a Democrat, more that, if you're a female or minority politician, chances are you're a Democrat!
Does it ruin the narrative to point out that the Swift Boat smear of John Kerry was an authenticity attack, same playbook, against a male opponent? Or does it just go to show that with the GOP and the right, no low is too low.
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@E. Chother
I had the same exact thought, but wasn't sure how many of the commenters would understand the reference. My thanks.
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@E. Chother Agreed--it's pure Swift Boating, and Kerry also suffered from perceptions of inauthenticity. Anyone remember "Who among us doesn't love NASCAR," a sentence Kerry never said but that dogged him for the rest of his campaign?
Besides being vicious this attack on Senator Warren will be counterproductive to the GOP.
Suburban women went for Trump in 2016.
How do you think these Trump voters will vote in 2020 given this attack on Warren.
GOP has become the party of liars, hate and fear mongers, xenophobes, racists, white nationalists, sexists, misogynists, science deniers, truth deniers, religious zealots, conspiracy theorists. No, I am not saying that all Republicans fall in all or some or any one those categories, but all those groups find a home in and are welcomed by the GOP. There is a reason that 80% to 90% of Republicans support and even admire Trump.
Republicans cannot take on Warren on her policy positions - she more than any candidate has detailed those policy positions, she has a plan for it - so, of course, Republicans will smear her with lies and sexist tropes - it’s what Republicans do.
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The GOP of course has no hope of battling on issues, so they resort to insults and smears. Party of Trump.
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So let me het this straight, we’re now supposed to trust the word of Republicans who like lime most people breath. My default any time I’m about to heR a Republicans say anything about anything is to expect “nothing but lies, mistruths and fabrications”
The GOP are the last people to be an authority on Truth and Lies.
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The Republicans these days really are despicable. It's mind boggling.
I hope our next president (who won't be Trump) can help heal our nation.
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Trump is focused on her "faux" claims? That's really rich.
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Just waiting for their Swift boat Veterans for truth Style talking points claiming Elizabeth Warren was never actually a professor. You know it will happen.
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Is it just me or are others also salivating at a Trump-Warren debate?
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@Mario Hate to disappoint you, but she'll have to debate an empty lectern. Word has it that somebody's bone spurs will be acting up that night.
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@Mario - We have already seen a Trump/Warren debate. It led to Warren apologizing to the Cherokee Nation. He mopped the floor with her for months while she fumbled around trying to find some reason to explain her heritage.
All she had to do on day one was simply say, "my mother told us we were Native American. We didn't have DNA tests back in those days to test mom's word. "
Sexist trope? The video of Warren’s 2007 interview establishes that she is now lying about the circumstances of her leaving her teaching job. The fact that pregnancy discrimination exists in society is no excuse for Warren to try to secure political gain by falsely claiming she was a victim of it. Those who, quite properly, point to Trump’s lies should call out Warren’s as well.
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Warren and her supporters seem not to have been fazed by the pregnancy attack and have handled it well. That's a good sign.
The Native American ancestry trope is also surely due for a Trump campaign reprise. One hopes Warren has as a good a response prepared for facing down Trump's slanderous racist spin when this attack returns. Besides pointing out that Warren did not rely on the ancestry claim in any efforts to secure employment or personal benefit, the campaign might also usefully make some explanatory reference to the Oklahoma historical context.
Cherokees arrived in Oklahoma as a consequence of their removal by the federal government in 1830 from their original lands in Georgia and Tennessee -- the forced march known in history as the "Trail of Tears." Membership in the Cherokee Nation as reconstituted in Oklahoma after the "Trail of Tears" is based on identifying at least one ancestor listed on a federal census performed at the end of the 19th century. No minimum blood quantum is required. Total membership in the various officially recognized Cherokee tribal groups nationwide presently exceeds 400,000.
Any family that can trace its roots in Oklahoma as far back as the early 20th century likely has some connection to the Cherokees, or may reasonably believe that it does. Warren as a little girl seems to have heard from one of her elders that the family had a Cherokee connection. It appeared plausible to her and she accepted it.
End of story.
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@woofer Same thing I heard from my grandmother, who grew up in Oklahoma. Her father was 1/2 white and 1/2 Cherokee. That was a fact to be hidden if at all possible during the late 1800's because prejudice against Native Americans was so bad. I would never have known if I had not whined to her, when I was a child, that I really wished I could be an Indian. As an adult, on Ancestry.com, I checked it out. She was right. Her father, a real ladies man, was married at least 4 times and had close to 20 children by his wives and girlfriends. Maybe more. Her mother, was the 1st wife, at age 16 and had 4 children with him. Meanwhile, he had a "wife" in another town 1 day's horseback ride away with whom he had another 4 children. When my great grandmother found out, she kicked him out. He then "married" a full blooded Cherokee teenager and had several more children, all but one of whom died at birth. That wife died after about 3 births in rapid succession, and he married again and had 10 more children.
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@woofer
Just one question: can anyone identify another Harvard Law School professor in the last 50 years who graduated from Rutgers as Warren did. I doubt there are any. And if her Native American heritage was no big deal, why did Harvard keep identifying her as such.
I'm just curious as to how come no one has identified in Bernie Sanders past a similar lie or misstatement that he has had to dissemble. Yeah, I know it's because he's not a woman. Except that it sure seems that Joe Biden has had to walk back a lot from his past.
@woofer
We have the same story in our family, that my dad's grandmother was part Cherokee. So far, my sister has found no evidence, but it makes a good story.
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We don’t care. We women - those who have and have not been pregnant - know what happened to Warren. The principal realized she was pregnant and told her she couldn’t remain in the classroom. Then the hypocrites placed a “sorry to see you go, wish you well” note in her file.
This happened all the time. In the early 1979, my cousin, a support staff worker at the American Stock Exchange, was removed from her front-desk position and hidden in a back office after letting her bosses (male) know that she was expecting. It was believed (by the men) that a pregnant woman did not belong in a “visible” position - i.e., near the trading floor.
We women- including GOP women - know what happened to Elizabeth, and citing a (typically Republican, establishment) effort by her bosses to cover up discrimination does not fool us for one minute. We also know why, initially, Elizabeth did not want to publicize had happened to her; she’d have looked like a whiner, did not want to provide a hostile response - so she deflected.
And ah, the DNA. Warren’s family told her she had Native American ancestors, and she had no reason not to believe them. My family, southern Italian, explained the tall redheads as German - Fredrick Barbarossa - so that’s what I told people until my DNA test made a “liar” of me. We’re from the Caucuses and Persia. There, I said it - does that mean I’ve claimed Iranian citizenship or culture? I don’t think so!
Go, Warren, go!
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@RCT
My blue-eyed blond (Oklahoma born) wife was told as a child that she was either 1/32nd or 1/64th Indian...but the tribe in question changed depending on which aged relative was telling the story.
If your family has lived in Oklahoma since the turn of the 20th Century - you are almost certainly going to have some family tales of Indian ancestry.
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@RCT
There is a big difference between saying one has Native American Ancestry, and saying they are really, full-blooded, or mostly Native American, which is what Elizabeth Warren claimed in an application; she wrote next to Race: Native American, not white. She must have written white, not Native American, which for most was a lie. If she's the nominee, Republicans will tear her apart. They have been and are so good at attacking Democrats, so effectively.
This is besides attacking her for being too far to the left, a Socialist.
I would say support Pete Buttigieg. He's exceptionally gifted. He's so good in spontaneous answers. He's moderate. His policy positions are quite defensible; even some of the Republicans & the rich will support them.
He looks too young & also gay, which is not insurmountable with his flawless performance.
In the end what we want is to beat Donald Trump, or his Republican substitute, which Mayor Pete can.
@A.G. Lies by Pete fans don’t help. You really think a young gay kid has a chance? Please, not another wasted vote that’ll get the crazy one back in, that will be the end of the USA.
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In contrast, Trump is completely "authentic", but as such, he is completely unsuited for the position he now holds. I hope taht Trump will be removed from this position by the voters in nov 2020. I also hope that the GOP supporters of Trump will also be removed from office by the voters at the same time.
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I've watched Warren for a while and she does have a tendency to embellish her stories to make the narrative sound more compelling than the facts. I say this as a democrat who will probably have to vote for Warren instead of Harris (whom I actually respect).
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But of course she’s the only politician running for office who embellishes for personal gain.
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@David Konerding ....Warren embellishes? But Harris misrepresents herself it seems. Read the criticisms of her record as CA prosecutor.
@David Konerding
Warren changed her motto to "forgo big money events" only after she saw that she garnered enough money. Unlike Bernie Sanders who said he would not receive money from big corporations (see DNC and corruption plan) at the beginning, Warren's move appear to be an attempt to appeal to Sanders' voters. But the fact is that: Warren only announced her U-Turn after she has gotten enough money. Warren's sudden change should not be merited a moral principle, even though it is a good announcement. So unless you are ok with such candidates with integrity issues like Warren or Biden, those two supported by NYT, seriously, you could go ahead and vote for Warren. However, there are more honest candidates whom the grassroots are rooting for, like Yang or Sanders.
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Ironic to have authenticity used when 45 has changed his political allegiances more often than some people change their car.
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@Andrew - That, as we know, is now completely beside the point. We know that every rap he lays on an opponent comes back in spades on him, but his voters don't care. Democrats need to figure out why that is. The probable answer is that they just don't know how to press a case.
@Andrew Never mind his hair color and skin tone.
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The top three Democratic candidates seem to have insurmountable baggage: Joe Biden is not handling Hunter Biden's Ukraine connection properly; his age is also a major issue. Bernie Sander's polling numbers were falling even before his heart attack, though he has diehard supporters who contribute money. Though Elizabeth Warren claiming to have Native American ancestry was factually accurate, her claim to be (full-blooded) Native American in an application to get preference wasn't & can haunt her. She performs exceptionally well, unlike Beto O'Rourke, Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, but not beter than Pete Buttigieg. Her popularity is with the hardcore (liberal) Democrats, not with Independents.
The reason why Biden remains at or near the top is because of his 'moderate' stand on issues, thus can beat Donald Trump. Which shows a moderate candidate has a better chance & ought to be considered & promoted.
That candidate I believe is Mayor Pete who is exceptionally gifted, but looks too young, also gay. The latter two liabilities can be overcome with his impressive performance. If Democrats focus on him, they will see a sure winner in Mayor Pete.
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My husband and I were just talking about this.
Having so many women in the presidential race is allowing for some differences to surface: This one seems, to the two of us at least, to be about how women have had to reveal and tell their stories differently than men in order to succeed in the same ways.
What may have been the way I had to tell a story 20 years ago, is no longer the way I need to tell it now.
It's not that the facts of the event change, it's that the ability and space for women to speak honestly about it has.
Let's continue apace--
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@Lissa well said, and I agree. I was pushed out of a job in 1998 due to my pregnancy. I was shocked, humiliated, confused, embarrassed, ashamed, furious. I know that it’s only been over time and through my being able to work through all of this upset, that I became able to talk about the incident in full. The first version of the story I told initially was a much watered-down version of the event — not a lie, but as much of the story as I was strong enough or willing enough to tell at that time. My employers shamed me, and I took that shame in, so I couldn’t tell the full story for a long time due to that internalized shame. Well, times have changed and so have I. When I tell the story today, I tell it in its full, discriminatory repugnance. The shame is now theirs to bear.
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Authentically "relatable" not just by women, but men as well.
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@John B Wood, Correct! You and I, both men, relate to her.
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@John B Wood
Amen!
Whenever I see an attack on a candidates character, I look to see which position triggered it. Because the GOP has one rule: If your opponent has a better policy (and who doesn't) attack their character.
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Sexist trope, yes, but it is a tried and true tactic used particularly effectively by the Republican Party to tarnish candidates by raising questions about supposedly character defining attributes. "Swift-boating" John Kerry was exactly the same. Being a military officer was a strength that was undermined by questioning its authenticity. Claims of Kerry being a war protester followed, further undermining a strength. So too Barack Obama--he wasn't really an American citizen was he?
Get ready. As Elizabeth Warren surges the questions of authenticity and and more direct attacks will come hot and heavy.
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@Kusel ,
Exactly. The GOP will attack Warren specifically as a woman, but they would attack her similarly if she were a man. And yes, the attacks will only intensify.
Kerry was not prepared for it, but I think Warren sees what's coming at her better than he did. And Kerry, Obama, and Clinton, like Biden, believed that the GOP were capable of acting in good faith. By now, most of us know better.
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@Duane McPherson Another question is if our press corps is prepared for it?
Are we going to read for months on end about how the "questions" raised by Warren's leaving her teaching job cast "palls and shadows" on her campaign and "create creeping doubt" in the minds of voters.
To lift a phrase from the 2000 campaign, "Is our reporters and editors learning?"
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My thoughts exactly. The Republicans are equal-opportunity smears. It doesn't matter what we call it- sexist, racist, outright false- it works for them because a certain part of the American electorate inevitably falls for their lies and votes for them. This is only the beginning- I wouldn't be surprised if there was much, much worse coming in the months ahead.
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“Republicans have tried to brand her as a socialist, attack her policy ideas and portray her as too left-wing for the American electorate. None of those arguments have diminished her political momentum, robust fund-raising or polling.”
But just wait until the broader electorate learns about her plans for private health insurance.
Elizabeth Warren is unelectable.
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Watch it. You’re talking about the next Genuine President of the United States.
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If Trump got elected, everybody is electable.
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@Michael 6 You're assuming that everyone loves their private health insurance. I hate mine, and suspect many more feel the same way.
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Sorry, but history suggests that GOP attacks on "authenticity" are not limited to female candidates. Their attacks on Al Gore were almost entirely based on him being a fake ("he hires people to tell him how to dress" and "he lies all the time"). John Kerry got the same treatment ("he looks french" and "he's not a real war hero").
The GOP are going to attack the authenticity of any Democratic candidate. We'd be fooling ourselves to think otherwise.
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@Jeff B
Please don’t stray too far into common sense and critical thinking. Elizabeth Warren might not win that way, and then what would the NYT do with all their unhurlable accusations?
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@Jeff B
The sloppiness with which this paper applies the terns "sexism," "racism," etc. should be offensive to anyone who cares to use their brain when reading an article. And each times it's done, Trump is given a rare opportunity to criticize the media and be right to do so. Please stop giving Trump opportunities to be right.
"The more it will stick with voters that this is someone who cannot be trusted"
You mean like good old trustable Donald (once-I'm-elected-I'll-release-my-tax-returns) Trump? Sure you bet.
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@Anthony Williams
Ha ha, yeah, let’s make this election about who is the more honest candidate. That should work really well for the Republicans, regardless of who the Democratic nominee turns out to be. If anything protects DT in this regard, it’s the fact that his dishonest pronouncements are so numerous that people tend not to focus on any one claim in particular. Democrats should probably weed out the worst four or five and then discuss them constantly.
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compare ms. warren's clear and forceful response to this challenge to her integrity to joe biden's ... uh ... what was it joe did exactly? -- unleash a muted grumble? two weeks after the whistleblower's report became public, he finally said what he should have said a month ago.
but this is what you get with biden. a trimmer who waits to see how the wind blows before unfurling his timid banner. anita hill can tell you all about it.
"Never Back Down" -- that is warren's attitude in life; it could be the title of her biography. she's turned defeats into victories, she's met many challenges and come out stronger. she's not only the democratic candidate most eager to stand up to her 2020 opponent, she's the one with the required temperament and resiliency.
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The notion of Republicans attacking Sen. Warren's veracity when their candidate is the most prolific liar ever to serve as President is a textbook case of chutzpah.
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@The Judge
in some contexts, "chutzpah" could be translated as "hypocrisy".
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@The Judge
That's an insult to parricide orphans everywhere.
@The Judge ....typical case of what the psychologists call 'projection'......you accuse others of your own worst qualities.
Obvious liars attack others as liars, when these others stand up for their rights.
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So, this all the Republicans have left - racial slurs, sexual slurs, slurs against whatever an opposing candidate is. Slurs are the focus of the Republican argument, not their own vision for America. It really is past time for the party to meet its end.
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@Cfiverson
If you cannot successfully attack your opponents policies - there is nothing left to do but to attack their character.
@Cfiverson
The Conservative party is doing the same thing here in Canada in the runup to our federal election in 2 weeks.
I know of a lot of rednecks here in Alberta who love all the smears and attacks and will vote conservative just to 'stick it' to the other parties.
It's a truly sad state of affairs to see that so many people are so arrogant, selfish and ignorant....
At this point, after indulging in Trump, does anything the republicans say have any validity?
Perhaps, once and for all, they have neutered themselves?
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When there is no dirt, they manufacture it. Job creators, right ?
2020. VOTE THEM ALL OUT.
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With donald and his evil sidekicks heading towards impeachment, the GOP is grasping at straws.
Go, Warren!
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Friends and supporters of the Great Bloviator Trump would try dumb stunts like this. There is no truth that pack of mud dwellers will not try to contort and undermine. They are very comfortable living his lie.
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I don't understand this relatively flattering coverage of Ms Warren. She's a liar.
Trump is a liar too.
Two wrongs won't make it right.
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@abdul74
Please list her lies.....then list Trumps 14,000...
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How is she a liar? Don’t tell me that you never lied in your life? I’ll take the fact that she mentioned that she’s part Native American than all of the lies Trump has been lying about.
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@abdul74
Everybody has lied. You’ve lied. I’ve lied. Elizabeth Warren has lied. Every single person who has ever run for any office has lied.
And then you have people like Trump for whom lying is an uncontrollable compulsion, a sickness.
They are not the same at all.
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It's rich that the GOP would challenge any candidate's authenticity when The Occupant is a serial liar who continues to misrepresent and lie about every aspect of himself. Senator Warren will not be bullied or intimidated by the GOP or this misogynist regime. That's why they are afraid.
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@Lilnomad But he's an authentic serial liar, you see.
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@Lilnomad
Even having this discussion is a bit of a capitulation. You can’t put out ignorance with a fire hose of facts, because, these days, ignorance is not due to lack of information.
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I would think the Republicans would want to move on from the pregnancy issue. I would imagine a large number of Trumps dwindling count of supporting women would take issue with their attacks - there are few women who have worked pregnant who can't identify at some level.
Of course, they will find something else to attack with - it's what they do best.
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@Plumberb The content of the attack doesn't matter so much as it satisfies his base's vicious appetite for bigotry. In other words, whatever works to keep the racist-in-chief in office is what has been "divinely ordained" by Jesus and God Jr., Donald Trump.
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Do they really want to draw attention to the discrimination against pregnant women, that was rampant before 1971, and pretty often after. Just imagine the flood of women telling their stories about discrimination.
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One would expect her popularity would increase among the democratic party -because baseless "ideas" can be expected to excel. Trump will have an easier time demonstrating she lacks credibility compared to Biden, and for Trump, is the preferred opposing candidate. Even Trump is substantially more credible policy wise compared to E. Warren and the independents, who will determine the outcome of the election will recognize that. The democratic party mindless ideologues concentrated in the big cities in Calif and NY really do not matter when it comes to electing a president - which is one the reasons the electoral college was set up in the first place.
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@sh
Future president Warren or Sanders coming your way.
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The most immoral President in history is exactly what the founding fathers feared! Radical, emotional, greedy and short sighted! Trump is everything the founders worried about.
And the electoral college didn't even work as designed for more than one election. It should just be popular vote or the House choosing. It's basically never worked as an independent group of elitist electors.
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And what are these consistent policies'? As I remember, it is tax cut that drove deficit up to new highs, and 'wonderful healthcare' which we yet to see.
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If only Future president Warren had Fox News touting her as "The people's Billionaire, over an over, hour after hour, for a year of more before election. Ironic, that Trump was actually in debt much deeper than any American I know.
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I am very disappointed in Eliana Johnson who apparently was the first one to put an article online about this. She is the new editor of a journal and now has to show her own worthiness to her male bosses who control the media. Unfortunately she chose to try and make her mark by attacking a woman of another generation who did live through the prejudice and bias that kept women out of the workplace. If Eliana had done her homework, she would have seen that 1) in mid-20th century pregnant women teachers to be banned from the classroom; and 2) that it was commonplace for women to deny and/or try and hide their pregnancies in order to keep their jobs.
While women may not be banned from the workplace today, certainly the glass ceiling still lives on....Something which Eliana must know herself.
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@anselm
Johnson is a neoconservative. This attack was due to a difference in ideology with Warren.
It might be enlightening to see how Ms. Liz Harrington, spokesperson for the RNC, holds up to scrutiny and mis-statements similar to that which the RNC is subjecting Elizabeth Warren.
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because women pay a much higher price when their honesty and integrity is called into question,” said Amanda Hunter, ...without evidence.
A nonsense phrase that cannot be proven is the central tenet of this article.
Woman or not, she lied about ancestry and employment history. I don’t care, because her politics eliminate her from my consideration as a presidential candidate. But she will shape her story to her personal benefit...which makes her exceptional how?
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@skyfiber We all describe events differently in different decades, time changes everything, but she never changed her story, only emphasized it for different purposes.
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@2skyfiber ...and yet Trump, a Republican, entitled, white male lies consistently and openly about any and everything and with grave consequences nationally and internationally and support for him does not waiver. Your moralizing about Warren’s ancestry and employment stories proved your own argument was wrong. Clever.
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@skyfiber - She repeated information she had grown up hearing all her life. How is that lie?
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Clearly, the Republican party does not value women, and doesn't care if it loses our votes. Which I hope and pray, this time, they will.
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@Katrink
Tell that to Nikki Haley, who will likely become the first female POTUS. But I don’t expect many people in the comments to acknowledge her as such.
The NY Times and other mainstream media outfits have done a masterful job of distracting us from the issue of whether Warren had lied about whether she was fired for being pregnant. Apparently, for the Times it doesn't matter if she told the truth or not - so long as pregnancy discrimination was common at the time. In other words, so long as some other women have been discriminated against, it must be that Warren is telling the truth! Of course, this is reminiscent of when the Times and other media told us that Warren "proved" she had Native American ancestry with her DNA test; even Warren herself had to ultimately apologize for the claim. Underlying all of this is the absurd claim that questioning the truthfulness of a candidate's statements is somehow proof of sex discrimination when applied to a female candidate. Women are done a disservice by such patronizing claims; if you're going to claim victim-hood by being a female candidate then don't run.
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@R.P.
You missed the point if her acknowledging this experience with other women and connecting. Stop playing the victim to her experience otherwise you shouldn’t post.
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@R.P.
Thanks for Mansplaining this for us!
Next up; why Trump is a feminist (hint, ask Mother)
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The republicans will tell lies to insult and belittle any democratic candidate. That's their standard tactic when faced with an opponent who is smarter and more honorable than they are. Warren has ideas to solve real problems that normal Americans grapple with every day. The republicans don't, and that must frighten them.
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RE: "another example of Warren seemingly shifting the facts of her life story for personal gain.”
The right-wing distortion and double-standard propaganda machine has always worked overtime. Time and again what is horrifying in women (and Democrats) is simply a non-issue or even admirable for men (and Republicans).
'Well, Trump is a rogue liar, but he is a man, our man!' seems to be the only defense for Republicans of Trump who endlessly shifted facts for person gain and even wrote about it in the "Art of the Deal".
While Warren believed the family story told to her by her grandmother Donald Trump knew that he and his family were not from Sweden but Germany, and he knew the story that he repeated in his book, was a lie told for purely personal gain so he and his family could continue to rent to Jewish apartment dwellers. He even bragged that you could lie with "truthful hyperbole" for personal gain as long as you could convince yourself that somewhere in there was a nugget of truth.
Republicans can physically assault women (as Trump admitted) while women who are pregnant can be attacked.
I've both hated and admired the longevity of the Republican smear machine and long hoped whoever was running it would retire one day, but after all these years I can only believe that they have a great apprenticeship program so that it continues ad nauseam.
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I’m surprised that more hasn’t been made of the fact that he bragged about lying to his business partners in “Art of the Deal.” I guess it’s a relatively early example of how people are willing to accept and perhaps admire his deeply dishonorable behavior as long as he acts proud of it rather than ashamed.
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@Marie
“They let you do it.”
That’s not assault. Are we really relitigating this?
I guess when you let your kids go to Disneyland, you are kidnapping them.
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Authenticity? Seriously? Sen. Warren's lies about her personal life are her own phony embellishing problem. The real threat she poses is the blatant fact that all the horrific promises she's making are flat out lies that stand absolutely no chance of becoming law or policy (or succeeding - since socialist economies never do) and are not accomplishable by executive fiat. And worse, as a swamp denizen, she knows she's lying.
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@JBC - A "promise" can't really be a "lie" because that's not how time works.
Also, there are almost no Warren policy proposals that haven't worked in some form someplace in the world, say Canada or Denmark (or in an earlier United States, actually).
You can keep going with the red-baiting thing if you like, but that bogey man isn't at all scary to anybody under 40.
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The more the lying elitist Republican leadership attack Warren the more I like her. Bernie (and probably old Joe too) needs to get real about his age and stamina and get behind Warren ASAP. Warren has the intellect and legal background to be able to get a scandal free (or at least low-scandal) administration up and running quickly. DC got a good smack upside the right-side of the head. Now it is time a good smack upside the left-side. Who knows, maybe in decade or so of head smacks Washington will get some centrist-sense knocked back into it by the voters for a change and not just big-money lobbyists.
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The Democrats need to make the untrustworthiness of the Republican party a large part of their campaign. All over the country Republicans are caught doing crimes and then blaming someone else or crying fake news. We can get rid of Trump but unless the GOP is thrown out nation wide we'll have the last 4 years of Obamas Presidency again. Stonewalling legislation and more lies from the GOP. They have become the party of criminals and traitors and need to be thrown out of office and onto the trash heap.
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If she wasn't telling obviously false stories no one would be calling her a serial liar. I watched the video of the much younger her telling a completely different story. Pointing out obvious inconsistencies is a Trope? Since when?
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Sadly, the Rebekah Mercer/Steve Bannon right-wing slime machine grinds on taking ‘Swift Boating’ to new extremes...this time with Sen. Warren.
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Gutless grabbers, GOP strategists wallow in the fumes of Trump’s predations, his cowardice in pandering to Putin and abandonment of our allies. Trump has carried on an open war against women with his Access Hollywood tape, his pushing through Brett Kavanaugh for SCOTUS, and in undermining women’s right to choose.
But if Elizabeth Warren speaks one word out of turn, if she persists in her truth telling, she is condemned by the loathsome Moscow Mitch, Trump’s stoolie.
Women have long memories and will persist in the face of this misogyny. Beware, GOP. Your day is done, your goose is cooked.
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Red Republican states across this land......first they came for your forest then they came for your coal, the farm was being gobbled up by larger farmers then the banks went bust and manufacturing said good buy. You my friends are being out flanked at every turn, isn’t it about time to do something different. Go Elizabeth
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As an undecided voter whose only and main interest is getting Donald Trump out of the White House, I can only applaud any candidate that can rise to the challenge of the Republican-attack-machine by taking it head on.
And while the progressive/Sanders/Warren flank of the Democratic Party still has to create an effective dialogue with the vast majority of centrist/moderate and African-American voters, it speaks volumes that Republicans have now trained their sights on Elizabeth Warren as a nascent front-runner.
We already know their hateful racist, anti-Socialist, and misogynistic dialogue because we've seen it all before in 2016.
But then again, forewarned is forearmed.
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@N. Smith
This pregnancy discrimination issue could actually strengthen Warren because so many women relate to the reality of blatant sexist bias in the workplace. and they see that she has nevertheless she persisted!
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@As-I-Seeit
Sorry. I'm not even seeing this as an issue because I'm already too familiar with the Republican-attack-machine seizing on anything and everything in order to create even more discord.
Not only that, but the problem of blatant RACISM in this country is first and foremost in my sights as it has poisoned the well for any type of fight for equality.
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@N. Smith ...a shame many black voters still cling to Biden---VP to 1st black pres. If blacks are too centrist/moderate in our distorted politics, they hurt themselves.
The media keep repeating the GOP labels of left wing radical socialism for whatever policies represent the interests of the public interest vs private interests.
What's a democracy for? Blacks finally got the right to vote in the South only in my lifetime. Now will they vote for a regressive. manipulative Dem candidate, who they may idealize now after Trump's attacks on him?
Since when is it a "sexist trope" to attack the background, record or personality of a political opponent?
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@SJG I'm asking myself the same question. Was is sexist when a handful of vets lied about John Kerry's experience in Vietnam to tar his record?
That sub-headline is poor journalism, plain and simple.
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@SJG
The one where women come forward and are told they are pretending to be a victim and taking the mans word as correct and the woman’s as illegitimate.
That would be the one.
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@Mathias
I get it. So if Warren is criticized on the campaign trail and, as a woman, she claims to be a victim of an attack, then the attack was sexist. Very good. This should go over very well with voters who don't subscribe to the NY Times.
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Politics is dirty. Navigating it is demanding, exhausting and consuming. Bullies go after those they fear. Warren has the energy and intelligence required.
I think that countless women who were teachers and had similar experiences should post, on YouTube, what they encountered. If hundreds of women, no matter their professions, stood up and shared their personal stories, I believe that could serve like a powerful wave to drown out the nonsense that is being spewed.
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I've been in communications for years. What she is doing - brilliantly so - is co-opting the narrative.
An odd and utterly baseless accusation about an affair? Bring it back to an issue.
Pregnancy discrimination? Many women have experienced the childbearing penalty, let them talk for her.
In years past, there used to be a poll question regarding with which candidate people would prefer to have a beer (skipped for Mitt Romney). Warren has a "drink with Elizabeth" contest.
She gets it.
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@A
Agreed! It makes us feel a bond with her
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One thing I really liked about Warren was how she steadfastly, brilliantly and efficaciously defended Clinton when Trump tweeted out his usual lies and nonsense in 2016. She did so without lowering her standards. She let the pig wrestle around in the mud all by his lonesome. The other democratic candidates could do worse than to follow her lead here.
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@Robert
Yes, of course. I think Warren's defense of her was a big factor in Hillary winning in 2016. Oh...wait... nevermind.
@Robert
As she now has co-opted many of Sanders' idea, I wonder why she supported Clinton over him in 2016.
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@Steve
"As she now has co-opted many of Sanders' idea, I wonder why she supported Clinton over him in 2016."
Those ideas are hers as much as they are Sanders'. Moreover, she has many of her own positives which Sanders lacks. Doncha think she supported Clinton because Clinton won the primaries, and was by far the best general election candidate?
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I will likely vote for Senator Warren. But it is is disingenuous to continue to portray that Boston Globe article as an exoneration of her self-portrayal as Native American. While the Globe article does indeed show that she did not in fact gain by the claim, it does not clear her from the actual accusation - which is that she was attempting to gain by identifying as such. In other words the article shows that if her motivation was strategic, her strategy failed. But the question as to whether her action was a cynical, if failed, ploy remains a reasonable question.
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@Andrew
Agreed. And on the same tack, whether or not Warren gained from her representation of her heritage, the truth is that the institutions considered her a Native American to the extent that they monitor these things. Meaning that her presence, could have meant one less opportunity offered to a Native American of more legitimate ancestry. Or another person of color. If you are a person or organization who believes in programs to promote diversity, you should find Warren's misrepresentation to be an affront to your aims.
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@Andrew - Who really cares? I know at least three people (including my ex husband) who were told all their lives they had Native American heritage. Any small benefit she might have gained from saying something she believed to be true is hardly worth worrying about.
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@Andrew
My parents told me all my life that I had a lot of French Canadian ancestors. Turns out after doing dna tests they found out they were wrong.
Warren did the test and actually did have the DNA. So to me this is a non-issue. We are products of our parents and what they believe as much as anything. Her only flaw is being human in regards to this issue.
If this is really the best they can do it’s totally pathetic. Republicans really shouts start showing us the policies they actually want instead of attacking a human being for being human instead of perfect.
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Great insightful writing here. Elizabeth Warren is amazing, and I enjoyed watching her go after the Wells Fargo CEO for gouging its own customers a few months ago. I would love to see her go after Trump in the same manner. My fear is that people will equate her with Hillary Clinton, and vote for the MAN (given that Trump will even BE on the Republican Presidential Ballot).
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@Richard The Last Plantagenet King. Agreed but Wells Fargo didn’t “gouge” it’s customers, it stole from them.
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Why is it OK for every third word out of Trump’s mouth to be a lie, but EW and every other Democrat is held to the impossible standard of 100 percent veracity from every possible interpretation 100 percent of the time?
I’ll stick with Elizabeth, thank you.
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@Catherine H I'm with you. Accepting for a moment that she did exaggerate her Native ancestry or lied about why she left her first teaching job... they would rank last and second-to-last when ranked against the 1000s of lies spewed from the mouth of 45.
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Yeah, never mind the sexism—for REPUBLICANS to lecture anyone else about AUTHENTICITY is not just rich but full-on job creator.
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@Catherine H They're just playing to the misogynists and knuckle-scrapers, as they always do. They need those votes. Their real constituents are the rich jerks who don't care what Trump does to the Constitution - they don't like constitutional government anyway, because it's too egalitarian. All they care about are money and power. They fear Warren, because she will stop them from exploiting consumers and make them pay their fair share of taxes.
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“The more examples like this that surface, the more it will stick with voters that this is someone who cannot be trusted."
That's an interesting message coming from the Republican National Committee. Perhaps they should evaluate the level of trust and honesty in their own candidate first! With thousands of documented and easily proven lies increasing in number daily, it's pretty hilarious that they're preaching trust and honesty. Sadly, their base will probably eat it right up.
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@Liberty hound - Pointing it out isn't necessarily whining about it.
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@Jon C Whataboutism is key to the Republican playbook right now. It is the Putin-style systematic undermining of the free press, while at the same time arguing that all political opponents are "just as corrupt" as the current (utterly corrupt) leader.
Expect them to double down hard on this tack.
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@Liberty hound I have never seen Elizabeth Warren whine. Have you?
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