Bernie's run in 2016 started as a sincere effort to influence the debate, but turned into a quixotic ego trip. I can't understand why anyone is standing with him after his petulant refusal to concede before the convention resulted in his own supporters booing him and failing to support the nominee.
Not content to have brought us only one Trump term, now he's back, splitting the progressive vote and virtually ensuring that Biden will be the nominee.
For spoiling the 2016 election with his narcissism, his pied pipering and his sexist attacks on Clinton, no Democrat should forgive him.
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@Patrick what sexist attacks?
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@Patrick "For spoiling the 2016 election with his narcissism, his pied pipering and his sexist attacks on Clinton, no Democrat should forgive him."
That's too much. Hillary lost MI, WI, and PA because of her own disconnection to those poor whites, not Bernie's fault.
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@A
It was a combination of turning a blind eye to his Very Online supporters' sexist attacks, and his own line of attacking her for her speaking fees, and for being "unqualified."
Regarding the trolls: remember "Killary," "Shrillary," "Shillary?" The references to Monica Lewinsky? The assertion that her supporters were just "voting for her because she's a woman"? Do you really think that Bernie did everything he should have, to set a better tone for his supporters? I recall one time that he criticized them, in a campaign that ran for over a year.
On the subject of her speaking fees: Clinton was one of the most accomplished people in politics -and- an active presidential candidate at the time, and her speaking fees were not out of line with those commanded by other high-profile public figures, and have since been dwarfed by others (including Barack Obama). Did Bernie ever criticize a male public figure for his speaking fees?
There was an implicit notion that she couldn't be worth it; that nobody would pay her that much if it wasn't quid pro quo. "It must have been some speech," wink wink.
And, of course, his famous claim that she wasn't "qualified" to be President, despite having been elected as a Senator and appointed Secretary of State, to say nothing of her presence during 8 years of Bill Clinton's administration. He claimed this was in response to her questioning his qualifications, when in fact, she never did.
So, yes. Sexist attacks.
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Dear Bernie,
After reading comments posted here, I love you even more than before. I will be the happiest man alive if you become the President of this nation.
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Bernie Sanders gave us Donald Trump.
No thanks.
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@Will.
Now that's an alternate and opposite reality....
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Yes, Bernie has earned our appreciation for turning the Democratic party left. He did the country a great service. However, Warren has better thought out plans. I can't be with Bernie simply because he thought of it first. Braque thought of Cubism first but Picasso implemented Cubism better. Bernie may have been first but Elizabeth is better. Please don't be bitter. Don't put Bernie before country and vote Green or don't vote at all. It's too important.
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@Deirdre
It's not about who had the positions first, but who had the positions the longest. It's about depth of conviction. The country hoped for major reforms with Obama, but did not really get it. He started 'playing ball' in his cabinet and fed picks and everything else followed suit (until his executive orders at the end). Major reforms will likely require deep conviction, not just campaign policies and promises.
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Print diverse views. As you receive them, not a day later.
Then I will listen to your views with more respect!
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It is becoming more and more clear that Hillary Clinton's candidacy was a double whammy.
The second whammy was that she snookered Elizabeth Warren. It would have been political suicide for Warren to not support another woman. But is clear that philosophically Warren is much much closer to Sanders. Can you imagine how electrifying a Sanders-Warren ticket would have been. Young voters especially would have been super energized.
The first whammy of course was that Clinton is a corporate stooge, and everyone saw this. That the establishment pushed her so hard was turn off to many, and the lack of enthusiasm is entirely their fault. It is not the other way around -- the stuffed shirts and blouses must do what is necessary is to excite the base, not demand that that the base support whomever they put up.
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Bernie just reached over ONE MILLION individual donors. 1,000,000+. This accounts for something, indeed, and represents a 'berning' sensation amongst the electorate. Fired up!
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Bless him and let the Lord bless us by making him our president.
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Elizabeth Warren is too far left to win a general election.
She parrots everything that Bernie, the proud Democratic Socialist says.
This week she happily accepted the endorsement of the Working Families Party, the voice of Democratic Socialism according to Bernie.
She will bring us four more years of Trump.
We need a centrist progressive like Mayor Pete, Amy, Yang, Booker. A far left candidate will not win.
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My thought is the young left in 16 for the Green Party and libertarian party. We can’t lose them this time.
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If Trump was not to far right to win an election, no one running today would be too left to win an election.
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Solution:
Bernie Sanders as President for 4 years with Warren as Vice President.
Then Warren as President for 8 years.
Bernie is a fighter, ready for battle. Warren is not quite there yet, but would be after 4 years as Vice behind Bernie.
By the end of those 12 years the U.S. would be transformed and the Republican Party buried in their collective grave.
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I have been suggesting exactly the same formula which makes so much sense.
Great to see that I have a friend here!
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I wonder...If Warren takes a clear lead as the progressive candidate, will Bernie’s ego allow him to support her? I worry that underneath Bernie’s grandfatherly thoughtful exterior, there is a guy who thinks he is “the only one” that can save the country.
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@Greg Gilliom
She's not a "progressive" candidate.
She's playacting one for the primary.
Stealing/misleading many on the Left to come into the Dem. establishment fold, for whom she works for.
Progressive's don't vote for 2of3 of Trumps' MIC giveaways. Progressives don't suddenly see the light in a campaign year and flood the primary with DEMO's written White Papers. All conveniently Leftish, but not as far Left as her competitor she's trying to undercut.
Just centrist enough that most commenters here know she'll pivot back towards the center as designed.
It is a sheepdogging trick. The ol' bait 'n switch. Dems are notorious for doing so. Notice progressive ideals never come up nor are pushed for once in office?~!
See Pres. O. See Warren flip-flop and now beginning her softening on all the ideals.
No, Sanders doesn't think only he can save the country. That is where NOT ME, US comes in.
Structural change doesn't happen by one man. He knows this and repeatedly says such. It is up to US~!
But having a voice in office, using the powers of the presidency and the bully pulpit goes along way to being heard and seen doesn't it.
Warren talks "structural change" at her rallies. Behind closed doors with Wall Street CEO's, Corp. and with the Dem. powers, she talks "revival". She is another bought 'n paid pol, playing a roll as the progressive.
She isn't. She is and always has been a high-priced corp. lawyer. A typical Dem politician.
We trust Bernie. Not the Dems.
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I’m supporting and donating to Sanders.
I will not vote for Biden nor will I consider any Democratic Party candidate other than Sanders and Warren.
I am fed up with the American Plutocracy and ready for Scandinavian style socialist democracy. If the DNC nominates Biden or some other GOP lite centrist pol I’ll do what I did in 2016 and vote for the Greens!
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Bernie said the biggest threat to national security is Climate Change! In 2016.
Clinton had a response that no one remembers.
So yeah, a lot of people have since copied him.
But I will still buy the original instead of a bootleg version of Bernie.
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Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, either will do just fine.
We have two critical tasks ahead - first, send Trump and his gang into oblivion, and second, make absolutely positively sure that the Republican-Lite Pelosi Schumer democrats and their annointed incrementalist practioner, Joe Biden, get nowhere near our White House.
Once Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, or perhaps both, as President and Vice President, take back our stolen democracy, the game is over for this current corporate owned government.
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I look forward to the Sanders presidency.
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You and your alias will soon see that happen. It would be delightful to celebrate in both worlds :-)
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This article is merely another part of the paper's move from-anyone-but-Biden to advocating for Warren.
Precisely who in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and, maybe, Florida who did not vote for Clinton in 2016 will vote for Warren in 2020? The degree of victory in the rest of the states is entirely irrelevant to the electoral college outcome.
As well, as much as most Blacks appear to detest Trump, they've heard "plans" and "promises" forever, and unless the Democrats nominate someone (Biden/Klobuchar ticket?), who they believe can actually accomplish something in the Washington of 2020, accomplish something moderate rather than not accomplish utopia, many are likely to just sit home.
As well, the Democrats are busily neutralizing support from young, white, (primarily but not exclusively) male voters. What 20-year old guy making minimum wage (if he has a job), hoping for some sex and eventual marriage, is going to bother voting for candidates that tell him he is worthless, that everyone else should get preferential treatment over him?
Meanwhile, the "appeal" of Trump has not changed. He has essentially acted as expected since Day One. Thus there is not likely to be a diminution of those who voted for him in 2016.
The large majority of voters, especially those whose minds are actually open, vote on an evaluation of what the candidate will do for his or her priorities, not what the candidate says should be their priorities. Warren fails on this latter point.
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My trust in the New York Times was significantly eroded during the 2016 election. The effort by the Democratic party and the media on the left to squash the Sanders campaign using unfair and dishonest tactics that I would expect from right wing media was used, when almost everything he embodied seemed to be in line with what they supposedly stood for.
The special case with Sanders was that he was someone who REALLY WOULD hold the feet of corporate power to the fire if he were elected. The NYT, Washington Post, MSNC are corporations. They talk the talk because their consumers have those values, but in reality, they did not want that.
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Bernie Sanders is simply not electable; should he become the general election candidate his views on pluralistic marriage, his time at the commune, his honeymoon in Russia would make him the Walter Mondale of our millennium. Don't get me wrong I donated to the Sanders campaign multiple times in 2016; however, pragmatism and strategy require that I support Elizabeth Warren now and you should too.
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@Max Rosenberg: I fully agree that Andrew Yang should not be discounted. In late August I was at a family pre-wedding dinner where a progressive, politically active 40-something asked five of her aunts--all in their 60s and 70s--which candidate they'd liked in the debates. Almost spontaneously, all of us said "Andrew Yang." Basically we all said we hadn't been much aware of him, but that he made sense and had a strong vision for the future in which jobs will be very different. His comment about his wife's unpaid work as the mom of an autistic child also resonated with us. Our niece's jaw literally dropped. (I should add that these are different sides of the family and I'd actually never met these other aunts, so it's not like we'd gotten together and discussed this beforehand.) She also couldn't believe that some of us like Tulsi Gabbard, another candidate being pushed aside, in her case by the DNC.
Yang is a fresh contrast to Bernie, whom we all admire but who is starting to feel stale. The declaration of some Bernie adherents, that they will not vote for anyone else, also rankles (I'm looking at you, Democratic Socialists of America). With that kind of rigidity we're more likely to suffer four more years of Cult 45, which will cement the end of democracy as we know it.
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Love the NYT’s constant, down right ignoring of Bernie..with the occasional story (this), just DRIPPING in snark. I, personally, love Bernie because he’s authentic, honest and consistent. What are you afraid of??? Careful, your colors are showing. #bernie2020
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Im so sick of people complaining about how Bernies message "hasn't changed." This is *exactly* what we his supporters love about him. As he himself said, he'll start talking about new topics when the deep structural problems he's long identified are actually solved. Folks who want him to "change the subject" are those benefiting from the status quo or are blind or indifferent to the damage and injustice it's causing. I say, keep beating the drum, Bernie, we are with you!
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@J
Well put!
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People, keep your eyes on the prize. Debate the positives of your candidate. The Trump campaign is surely watching to see what negative messages resonate - think back to him encouraging Bernie supporters to stay home from the 2016 election.
We have to come together to support the DEM candidate coming out of the primaries if we want to avoid another 4 years of Trump and GOP.
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I am still feeling the Bern.
Bernie has not based his policy stances on popularity or national trends like other candidates.
Don't get me wrong, I like that other candidates have embraced many of his major policies but governing will also require decisions on smaller and less visible issues. I need someone I can trust with the details of governing.
I trust Bernie to make the right decisions on those details as well.
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What a surprise. Young people are fickle and latch on to the “cool new thing”. Which is one of many reasons why its stupid to base a party around their whims
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Are you kidding me? What's it? Rebellion against their oldest? They, bernie, putin, and the 88 thousand in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Ohio gave us trump. What's the goal now? Four more years of stupidity on global warming, clean water, workers rights and racism from the White House? This is the most depressing news of the day. Damm.
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No sir, the badly educated Americans fed on empty rhetoric for centuries gave us Trump.
If you have learned something in these two and a half years, you will vote for Bernie. If not you will vote for Biden and feel good for a few hours.
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@Frank Lopez What did Minnesota do? We went Blue - I think you mean Michigan
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I felt the Bern last time and still have lots of respect for him this time but I don't think he's the man of the moment. He's met his goal of bringing his ideas to the country but I think many other candidates are better. I wish we'd had more choices last time!
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The irony of using disposable plastic cups to promote the Green New Deal...
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That’s fine. Don’t miss the forest for the tree. You know if Bernie has his way the environment will thank us all.
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The USA really needs a new FDR and the return of policies that can be lumped under the banner of the New Deal.
I have watched Bernie Sanders for a very long time. I am convinced Bernie Sanders is what America needs to return our government back to an organization that serves the people. The Democratic leadership is trying to dilute Bernie Sanders message by running with a gaggle 20 or more candidates.
Regardless what the pundits say I been looking at what various groups such as "traindemocrats.org" been saying since before Donald Trump was elected. They seem to burn up a lot of money and are missing what is really important. It is like said organizations have never been to the heart land of America.
I think the DNC is conflicted. The DNC wants our money and votes, yet they play games in the primaries to make sure only their candidates are on the ballot. What the DSCC is doing in Colorado trying to destroy any organization trying help a progressive is just rotten to the core. Then there is the DCCC who is trying to make sure any reform within the Democratic party will be impossible.
If there was just three candidates: Bernie, Warren, and Biden. Biden would be the loser.
Joe Biden at best is just someone who kicks the "Can" down the road. The problem we are running up against a precipice were we all will be hurt.
BTW, I am 68 year old person. I agree with the youth.
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@DogRancher
" The Democratic leadership is trying to dilute Bernie Sanders message by running with a gaggle 20 or more candidates. "
The Party is not running 20 candidates. 20 candidates are running in the party, with one candidate only running alongside the party while refusing to join it.
With Bernie supporters, it's always some conspiracy against him because he's not winning.
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@DogRancher I love your comment, It heartens me to hear such good sense. Everything you say is what is really going on and never carried in mainstream media. Hurray for you!
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Wow, I really like this idea of universal basic income, just let me know where to sign up for the free $1,000 per month.
I also want the extra $200 a month in Social Security, college loan forgiveness, free college for my grandkids, Medicare for all (including illegal immigrants), reparations for blacks and gays, Green New Deal and federal job guarantees—you know, all the free stuff the Democratic candidates have been promising.
All of the fabulously wealthy individuals and corporations put together do not have enough money to pay the trillions of dollars required for all of these goodies year after year, and even Bernie Sanders has admitted that taxes will have to be raised on the middle class just to pay for free college, not to mention all of those other freebies. (For perspective, the annual US budget is about $4 trillion per year; by all means, let’s quadruple it or more to pay for all the free stuff.)
As Margaret Thatcher aptly noted, the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.
Remember, folks, our goal is to elect a Democratic president in 2020, not to make Karl Marx smile in his grave. Free everything for everyone will get Trump re-elected.
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Universal basic income will help consolidate the welfare state and shrink government bureaucracy. For most middle class Americans, it amounts to a tax credit of up to $1000 per month. It’s capitalism that starts at $12,000 per year instead of zero.
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Margaret Thatcher! There is someone to look up to (you probably had to kneel but that is OK).
Don’t worry Marx has other things on his mind down there to worry about us up here.
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@Dan. Yang’s Universal Income plan is solid math with one caveat; it will nail our coffin economically if every American spends that $1k on goods made in China. Yang needs to make that a condition. This should Not a way to line Amazon’s coffers rife with Chinese made merchandise.
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I can’t help but be struck by the incredible contrast between Trump and Bernie Sanders.
Trump is the embodiment of hate, selfishness, greed, and division.
Bernie, on the other hand, is for inclusiveness and working together to make the country stable and vibrant for all Americans.
Bernie has inspired a renewed understanding of the American dream and a call to action against the corruption that has become rampant.
Thank you Bernie !
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@Grove
"understanding of the American dream and a call to action against the corruption"
So does Elizabeth Warren. And she's understood it for a long time.
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Young black voting people didn't feel the ' Bern' in 2016. They still aren't ' feeling' Bernie Sanders in 2019.
Vermont is the 2nd least populous and one of the whitest majority states in the America.
While Bernie Sanders is the oldest candidate in the race, his sojourn in Vermont hasn't erased his Brooklyn accent style and ethos.
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@Blackmamba
Bernie got more of the black youth vote than Clinton did, fwiw.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/huge-split-between-older-younger-blacks-democratic-primary-n580996
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"Bernie-land" is infested with Republican operatives whose intent is to convince the others that both parties stink and to stay home or vote Trump to "tear it all down"
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Young black people haven't voted much, period. Nor have many other groups. Let us hope for much more participation next year. Bernie's policies will directly impact youth, the old, the marginalized and those seeking a better society.
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I’m a millennial, and I’m feeling the bern... for Andrew Yang.
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Yang is a smart guy but he really is a joke in this race. He should be given a cabinet post created for him: innovation, technology and inequality reduction.
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He sounds like a joke because he is only given 5 minutes to get his ideas out at the debates. The DNC won’t give him the time, so he has to say something to grab people’s attention. Please listen to any one of his many podcasts with liberal and conservative commentators alike before making a conclusion.
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Yes I have listened to him directly and that is why I am saying he is a smart guy who should be given a cabinet post with a specific description. He would then gain some experience in politics and may run in a future time without sounding like a joke.
Politics is something that requires some training in politics! Of course we have horrid creatures like Trump and McConnell who get elected and are appointed to hugely influential positions but I am talking about good intentioned people who want to do good for others.
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This 62 year old female still "Feels the Bern".
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Young people shmung people.
First come out to vote. Then we will think about taking you seriously.
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The 2016 Bernie phenomenon was in part because for the first time in a long time a real Democrat was espousing a message not tested and sanitized for minimal donor class heartburn. Yes, I said the independent democratic socialist is a real Democrat. His policies are the modern successors to the New Deal, Fair Deal, New Frontier and Great Society, unlike Ms Clinton and Mr Biden.
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Whether he gets the nomination or not, Bernie has accomplished an enormous amount, and I am grateful for it.
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@N My name is Emilie I am a black French woman, and I was born in 1981 so I lived most of my life under a socialist government. I graduated from the Sorbonne, took an EU exchange programme in London, took my masters in litterature back at the Sorbonne and graduated debt-free.
Three months into my first job at 24, I bought myself a flat in Paris. I had paid for tuition and expenses every year working saturdays at a department store. Most of us in the EU graduate debt-free.
Earlier this year my father got an unexpected heart transplant, a doctor mentioned it was a 150.000 Euros procedure, but my dad has been french for 20 years after coming here as an medical resident. After my dad received his heart transplant, he was in quite some pain. He did not receive any opioid though. Mostly paracetamol. Because our State-run medical system oversee and protects its patients.
Whatever you've heard about socialists we are not bad people, we like to argue and demonstrate and we disagree plenty, but we all agree on tuition free college and the welfare state.
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God bless you my dear. This is a wonderful comment.
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@Emilie
Good for you.
There is no free.
Many people were forced to pay for your and your father's "free" stuff in a nation of just 45 million. All good as long as you and your father also pay most of your income in taxes for the rest of your lives in support of your fellow French citizens. The U.S. is 335 million people, where half pay zero into the federal coffers every year.
@Maggie As I mentionned I worked to pay for my tuition : 250 euros a year undergrad, 600 euros for grad school. I now pay 30 % income, it is not low but it is not most of my income.
My father contributed his whole career to the health system by paying lots of taxes and also working as a doctor. He does not regret paying those taxes.
If half the American population cannot pay taxes, maybe the salaries are not high enough ? If salaries are not high enough, how will graduates refund their student loans ? How will they leave their parents' homes ?
The US is leading us all towards yet another financial crisis.
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I have serious doubts about Warren in the states that matter: Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio. She will get hammered on campaign finance for switching from pro-major donor, to small donors, then back again, not to mention the siphoning of big money from the Senate run to her presidential bid. She is not popular among the working class demographics and so has little chance to cut into Trump's base. A few weeks ago Warren seemed to have a chance but after reviewing some background information I have serious doubts about her ability to win the General.
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@Nick I'm across the river in Cincinnati and I also have serious doubts. I honestly don't see a path for Sanders here or Warren, unless she puts a lot of time in our counties (not just in our cities with the big donor$.) I'd say Biden, but I don't know that he'll make it through the primaries. A lot of people around here, including me, are really interested in Buttigieg and Yang. Two questions for you as a KY voter: 1) Which Dem candidates do you think have a shot in our neck of the woods? And 2) Do you think we have any chance of ditching Mitch in 2020? I can't get a straight read on that race at all.
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I wonder did it ever occur to the MSM and this author in particular as to why other candidates are now being embraced along with Bernie? Bernie always stated it was not about him, it was about his ideas that in 2016 many thought(and the MSM still does)his policy ideas were "pie in the sky" yet, look now who is embracing those policies and how they are being accepted by a large part of the electorate, especially those under 45 voters who represent the future.
Centrist/moderate/corporate/establishment democrats are nothing more than Republicans of 30 yrs. ago with the democrat label. The article pertaining to young black voters telling their parents to forget Biden is just another confirmation that they wish to look to the future, not the past.
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Could someone do an article how the three front runners will effect state and congressional races in swing states?
The senate is at least as important as the Presidency.
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Bernie has Bold Ideas, I can Trust him, and he isn't going to be influenced by K street at this time in his lfe!
Most of us know who he is. Warren lost me with her Beer commercial .
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@jack Optics more important than substance. Why would anyone care if she makes an awkward "Warren at Home" commercial? There are 240 million or so adult Americans. She is neither going to invite them to dinner at the White House nor to her kitchen. On that basis, one could vote for Donald J. Trump, and a good chunk of his 63 million voters did, for just that reason. He "came across" as more authentic than Hillary. Whoopee. Authentic he is. Authentic Donald J. Trump, the same one we've been pretty much sickened by for forty years.
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I have the uttermost respect for Bernie Sanders. For my first vote as a new US citizen, I will nevertheless probably vote for Elizabeth Warren, as I think she is the best Democratic candidate. And if she wins but proves herself not to be the best one? It won’t be the end of the world for me as none of the Democratic candidate could be 1/10th as damaging as a second Trump’s term.
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Bernie has obviously brought a lot of issues to the fore and he deserves full credit for that. BUT...he needs to step aside. He looks in poor health and it's time for a new progressive leader like Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris to take up the mantle. We don't need another old, tired white man fumbling through the presidency (ditto Joe Biden). Let's make some change and do it before the other side paints Bernie as a socialist madman and we lose in 2020.
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Hopefully Bernie's supporters will still vote for the Democrat who wins the nomination
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@Terry
They will, because if it's not Bernie Sanders, it will be Elizabeth Warren.
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@Terry Many of them certainly didn't last time. On election night, all -- I mean ALL -- of my friends who were Sanders supporters were crowing about Clinton's loss on Facebook.
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@Terry
This cuts both ways. Hopefully Biden's supporters will still vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination. Tired of hearing how progressives have to bite the bullet and vote for the moderate to beat Trump. It's time the moderates bite the bullet and vote progressive if they really want to beat Trump. Staying home or voting for Trump instead of Bernie will just give us four more years of a Trump nightmare.
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Bernie has had 50 yrs to change the world and hasn’t been able to do anything. Time to move on
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@Pete. but............... Everyone is Ready Now!
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My worry is that Sanders and Warren will split the progressive tidal wave in the primaries and Biden will predominate. We almost HAVE to make up our minds beforehand. I love the idea of a Warren presidency, but I think Sanders could have crushed Trump in 2016 and I think he can do it again in 2020. Not so sure about Warren.
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@DGC_NH Sanders has never been vetted, because the Republicans didn't take him seriously as a threat (rightly so) and were counting on him splitting the Democratic vote, which he succeeded in doing. And what we ended up with is horrible beyond belief.
I really don't understand how anyone can seriously believe that Sanders could have 'crushed Trump.' He would have earned a moniker such as 'Bolshevik Bernie,' which would have played out really really well in the Heartland. Never mind the fact that he is a hypocritical opportunist who mooched off the Democratic Party. He needs to go away, and we need to unite the Democratic party to make Trump go away.
And then there is that minor issue of Sanders' Rape Essay....just charming.
However, if by some miracle, Sanders snags the Democratic candidacy (even though he's not a Democrat), I will hold my nose and vote for him.
The Democrat 2020.
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@DGC_NH Some of us like one; some, the other. That's why "we" will never unite behind Sanders or Warren until it becomes clearer which one the primary voters prefer.
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@DGC_NH you won’t have to wait long. Sometime before or after the California primary it will be obvious that either Bernie or Warren is going to carry the progressive mantel. As long as one or the other doesn’t pout, the person standing will be the front runner and will go on to win the nomination and defeat Trump.
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Bernie has inspired young Americans and they have heard his message, and they have followed him to the summit, and can they see the land that he had promised, but unfortunately, he will not set foot on it. He will have to leave it to someone else to complete the journey. I believe Elizabeth Warren is the most able to pick up Bernie’s staff and lead us forward.
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@Time - Space
Well said.
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Bernie just surpassed one million individual donors.
If Biden and Warren combined, they'd be at 700k.
Keep telling me how unpopular Bernie is, NY Times.
It doesn't reflect reality, but it does a great job reflecting bias in journalism.
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I read the article. It says nowhere that Bernie is “unpopular”. Let’s stick to the truth while we voice our opinions.
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@Jim
The NY Times, more than anything else, is committed to the maintenance of the status quo and the incrementalist policies of the Pelosi Schumer democrats, which means they support Joe Biden and unless he begins to lose support more than he already is, they will eventually endorse him.
Corporate America is literally terrified of a Sanders or Warren nomination, and believe me the mainstream media, including the NY Times, will use every perception management tactic they can, to influence Sanders and Warren supporters to switch to Biden.
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@Daniel B The hair is split nicely. Yes, I guess the article stating that there's a "lack of enthusiasm" does not mean that he's not "popular".
I mean, so many people are wildly popular while failing to create enthusiasm.
Let's stick to the truth when we try to reframe.
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Bernie is the Democrat’s demagogue.
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Am I the only one who finds it ironic (and disturbing) that the photo of Green New Deal Pong shows the game being played with large plastic non-biodegradable cups?
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@HadEnough We don't need a few people fighting climate change perfectly, we need many people fighting it imperfectly.
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@HadEnough That was my first thought.
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@HadEnough There are such things as paper cups and, god forbid, reusable cups like a pint glass.
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Bernie is Bernie despite the weather which is part of what makes him so cool.
In the last debate we watched him struggle to express himself through his hoarseness, prompting off-the-mark proclamations to the effect that he'd lost his groove, his momentum, when in reality he's out there giving his all to the myriad Americans instinctually drawn to his sincere conviction that together we rise.
Take care of those pipes.
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Warren has all the bernie ideas, and she really knows her stuff. She is well informed, detail interested, open to improvements and has a lot of energy. Not to say anything negative abut Bernie but she is a really attractive candidate. Can she beat trump? No, b not with his base or perhaps lots of repubs but she will excite many others, Remember, over 100 million people did not vote last election and Hillary won the popular vote.
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@RichardHead
You are ignoring the polls that state unequivocally that Sanders and Warren(even Biden)would defeat Trump handily.
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You are forgetting the silent majority
@Deus How many electoral votes would they each get? That is still the only thing that counts whether we like it or not. While the polls, for what they are worth, show that Bernie, Warren and Biden all beat Trump in the popular vote, the margin does make a difference. If your margin is 2%, you have probably lost the Electoral College; 4%, you can still lose, but it might be close. 8% or 12% ahead, which is where many polls show Bernie and Biden, and you haven't just won the blue states by big margins. You've cut the GOP margins in TX, GA, OH and won MI, PA and WI, maybe NC, FL and AZ. The definition of "handily" is very important. 4% is not handily in the current polarized landscape. Who can get 70 million people or more to vote for him or her? That is basically the question. I don't know how you find the answer, but it doesn't include either wishful or pessimistic thinking about any of our candidates.
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Bernie is the real deal. He’s consistently been ahead of the curve, and consistent in his ideals. We know where he stands.
Warren, a former Republican, is a walk-backer, a half-stepper. Watch, if she wins the nomination, she’ll be courting big donors in no time. How long before she changes her mind on Medicare For All?
Sanders is right: We need a political revolution. Big change. Only one candidate can deliver it.
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@Jeff D
Warren needs to pivot on M4A. Americans are not ready to give up their insurance. A robust medicare public option on the ACA exchange is the perfect pivot vehicle that will drive competitiveness with private insurers. Let Americans make the decision to ditch their insurance, don't take it away from them.
I'm with the other 80% of the Ds on the debate stage, and I'm a raging "progressive".
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@LEM
Indeed, if she can. Hard for an idealist to do that. Academics are not know for flexibility.I fear we will have Trump for 4 more.
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@LEM
I very much agree with you on this. No other country has gone as far as to outlaw private insurance, and to do so would require the American people to have a tremendous amount of trust in the federal government--the same government that shut down for over a month less than a year ago.
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We ave a once in a lifetime candidate in Bernie Sanders and people are about to ruin it by running to warren to avoid being shamed by the democratic establishment. Wild. Sanders was there for us in 2016, he was there for us in 1976. Warren sat out the 2016 race didn't stand up for the working class and endorse Bernie because it wasn't politically savvy to alienate the Clintons and ruin her bid for VP. Now she is coming and adopting the platform and people are buying it. I can't believe it.
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@James D
My thoughts exactly. All his ideas in a different voice?
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I can't believe that anyone who voted 5 times against the Brady Bill, who voted to allow firearms on Amtrak, who wouldn't support increased responsibility for gun manufacturers, who did absolutely nothing to stem the tide of vulgar misogynistic vitriol coming from so many of his supporters, who has his own history of failing to connect with black activists in Vermont, is somehow viewed as anything resembling a progressive.
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@James D Interesting analysis. You claim folks are worried about being "shamed by the democratic establishment". What does that even mean? That's as incoherent as the nonsense Trump says.
I get it. Bernie is your hero (hero worship is always a bad idea) and it's looking like he's not going to win so now you're prepared to trash Senator Warren. Bernie ain't doing that. He & Ms. Warren are friends.
Take a deep breath. Now go read some of the plans she's put out. She ain't fakin' and she's been thinkin'. Ain't telling you not to keep backing Bernie but stop with the negativity.
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Green New Deal Pong in plastic solo cups? come on!
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The real danger is Biden: he will lose to Trump, and doesn't deserve to win anyway, considering the laws he helped pass in the 1990s which put millions of minorities in prison... and then his global "neoliberalism" (= money is the solution to everything, and if we send the entire economy to China it will be better for us as long as we keep the GAFAM tech monopolies to exploit us and sell our data) under Obama...
Warren is probably more electable than Bernie: she is a woman to start with, and the time has come to get out of sexism. Trump will have an easier time running against Sanders (showing this "socialist" vacationing in the USSR, etc.) than against whom he calls "Pocahontas" (who, indeed, after all, has some Native American ancestors...)
And Trump knows this.
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@Patrice Ayme
I think both Sanders and Warren could handle Trump in a debate, and I’m really hoping to see one of them do it. They are honest, confident in their positions, and direct. Neither of them suffers fools gladly. I believe Trump’s inane and dishonest attacks would meet with the response they deserve, leaving him floundering. Time will tell...
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Another tired neoliberal attempt to take control of the narrative. Increasingly, Warren is becoming the DNC's candidate of choice. Biden was their man but he has devolved before their horrified eyes. They would like Harris, but she isn't even supported by the black community and is being dragged down by her record as California AG (a record the DNC would be just fine with if it weren't killing her at the polls). Buttigieg would do, but even they realize that the closer you look, the less there is. They are interested in Warren because she is co-optable, something she has been furiously signaling to them of late. She is not "advocating for Bernie's policies" -- her support for Medicare for All is devolving towards the public option that would keep insurance companies in play. Her foreign policy would satisfy the most rabid neocon. She says she's not taking the corporate money, but increasingly, she is.
The latest Fox News poll released two days ago showed that Biden's support had fallen to a low of 29% and that Bernie had moved ahead of Warren into second place with 18%. MSNBC's Joe Scarborough dismissed it, saying that it didn't "feel right" because Warren and Biden had "done so well" in the last debate and that the poll must be an outlier -- with absolutely no evidence to back it up. An Emerson poll in Texas shows Bernie beating Trump by a larger margin than any other candidate -- in Texas! This all has the DNC in a panic, hence the roll-out of pieces like this one.
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@Boris Jones
Ignore the MSM. The "status quo" gives them more comfort.
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@Boris Jones Let Sanders mooch off the Republican party this time. After all, as he has said numerous time, he is NOT a Democrat. He needs to go away.
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Young voters are looking for their “Obama” candidate. Ideals can win, but they need to learn to flex and keep their eye on the prize... “anybody but Trump”.
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Whatever happens with Bernie Sanders this time around, I feel such tremendous gratitude to him for raising the level of the debate from “going nowhere status quo” to the progressive vision that he embodies.
His vision and relentless dedication to an America that is truly FOR We the People has shaped the platforms of most if not all of the Democratic field.
He is the patron Saint of the American People, whether they realize it or not.
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Having as much money in his coffers as he does unfortunately means that Bernie will be able to pull the same stunt in 2020 that he did in 2016--namely, staying in the primary even though he no longer has a mathematical possibility of winning the nomination, and creating a lingering bad odor for whomever the nominee is.
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@Lisa
"creating a lingering bad odor for whomever the nominee is"
Perhaps you're conflating Senator Sanders with Julian Assange, James Comey, or an officer of the GRU?
Did you not read Volume 1?
Sanders graciously endorsed Clinton, as expected. What wasn't expected was the deception on Facebook that occurred between Clinton clinching the nomination and Sander's endorsement of her--the well-timed wedge.
I'm getting tired of antsy folks hating on the candidates that most threaten their candidate. Diversity is a GOOD thing.
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@Lisa
It is funny people like you forget, WHY he has been able to collect the amount of money he has and what it means. Perhaps it is his policies and why more and more of them are being embraced by both "some" democrats and (many polls confirm), the electorate?
It is called "trends' and in 2016, when he came from 60 points down to the "annointed one" ultimately winning 22 sates and 46% of the primary vote.
You are still in a state of denial, the DNC and Hillary Clinton got Trump elected, NOT Bernie Sanders.
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Another attack in NYTimes continuing war against Bernie Sanders, but you lost this one a long time ago and it's really time to move on.
It's not him, it's us. You can't beat all of us, the progressive tide is rolling and will not be denied. It doesn't matter if Bernie ends up in the White House, he's already done more than most presidents in my lifetime.
Thank you, Bernie!
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As much as I like Warren, I think Sanders has earned a very long leash in his candidacy. There isn’t any reasonable way to tell him to leave after he’s done so much work to reframe the discussion. Whatever happens, I hope that in the end he and Warren huddle before one of them bows out. If they handle it right, Biden and his way of thinking will be defeated, as will Trump.
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We can thank Bernie for pushing for and bringing front center the need for structural change. I am a fan of Elizabeth Warren who I think has refined Bernie's ideas and approach.
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@Steve The NY Times seems to fearBernie with this myth that only young people are for him. You can see people all ages at other events. Unlike Biden, age hasn’t diminished his sharp mind. It won’t be Biden. Warren is also exciting. . Since Biden is too old now, splitting the progressive vote between Warren and Bernie won’t help him. Warren is an attractive candidate too.
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@Gallopinto
I agree, I love Bernie but think that he is a bit past his prime physically, certainly not mentally. Read David Brooks column today on Warren. I think it summarizes the general tone of the NYT on both Bernie and Warren. For all of the good the NYT does we must remember that they are very middle of the road and part of the establishment. They are afraid of anyone who poses structural changes to our government and our regulation of capitalism. The haves want to remain the haves and keep the rest of us "in our proper place".
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I'm a white, male, college-educated septuagenarian who feels it's time for the next generation to take the reins, and I lean toward Elizabeth Warren. She appears, to me anyway, to be the smartest of the candidates, and I want to see a woman as president.
Bernie and Joe are both older than I am, and that's too old. We do need to rethink what it means to be a Democrat, and I suspect it's time to take a bold tack to address the significant long-term problems that will afflict the next generation more than they will afflict me. If we run another fungible centrist for safety, we will abandon the next generation and they will abandon us.
This is an opportunity to get the country back on the right track. Let's not squander it.
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@Bill McGrath Respectfully, how is Warren the next generation? She's 70. What does this platitude mean?
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Stand up in front of a group of college age kids and promise them free tuition. Of course they’ll think you should be President. Add Yang, who wants to give everyone $12,000 a year.
To kids who have been supported by mom and dad and are now thrust into a cruel cold world it makes sense. But these young adults are fiscal idiots who have no idea how all the freebies will be paid for. Sanders’s and Warren’s answers are “soak the rich”. Sanders is an old hippie, but Warren knows better.
The rich aren’t going to pay the amount of taxes required to finance these programs, especially after Trump’s huge tax give away. Yes, I know the Scandinavians accept a 70% tax rate, but we are not Scandinavians.
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@Bathsheba Robie You may not be old enough to recall that Americans not only accepted a 70% top marginal rate, but that they also accepted an 90% top marginal rate. That led to America's period of greatest prosperity and the rise of the middle class. The rich WILL pay higher taxes ... when we have a new Senate & administration.
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Really, "fiscal idiots"? I happen to think the real "fiscal idiots" are the people who think having an entire generation of young people entering the workforce with crippling student debt, unaffordable housing and no healthcare is good for the economy.
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All great and fine, enjoy yourselves. BUT, unless you actually VOTE, your opinion doesn’t count. I’ll be harsh, because it’s necessary: Put up, or Shut up. VOTE.
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Lindsey Graham of ABC probably did Mr Trump a great favor by dredging up the issue of Biden to own up the responsibility of slavery. Slavery indeed is the worst thing that happened in our history. But did she think in four more years of Republican dominated political rule it will become all better? Her question reminded me of Bernard Shaw's question to Dukakis what would he do if somebody raped his wife. These are the cheap tricks the media people have to gain notoriety among their target audience.
Young people are needed to participate in our political process. But in their youthful exuberance they loose sight of reality and focus of the important goal.
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Bernie takes away voters from other candidates as he did in the last election and what we got pretty awful. More than that, but the question to me is why does Bernie jump on the Democratic wagon anyway? He's an independent and his presence is not wanted anymore. Too important each time, but very much so now. I do not see Warren getting the bid, either, for the two of them want to throw out ACA and start anew in a GOP-dominated world where judges and governors rule, where the economy looks rosy but may not be great and regardless of that, the country faces enormous deficits. Thank you again, GOP. It simply has to be may the best candidate win. Lots of good ones up there. I'm from Texas and think Beto's a good choice and Texas has lots of delegates. I like Kamala, Cory, and won't cry if it is Biden, but don't think it will be. In the trifecta of Warren, Bernie and Joe, Joe would get the win, I think.
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@Katalina Thank you. Sanders is a mooch and a do-nothing.
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This article is blatantly slanted against Senator Sanders. Shame on the NYT. Get objective reporting or don't call yourselves journalists. Bezos (NYT owner) and others like him are a HUGE part of the problem. Bernie knows it and they know Bernie knows. That's why this garbage keeps getting printed. Go Bernie!
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Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
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@SHK The Bernie - who shows up every election cycle wanting Dem campaign $$$, when he hasn't helped Dem's fundraise, nor does he help downstream Dem candidates get elected - is being taken advantage of?
The article is anti-Bernie because is acknowledges that some former Bernie fan's are looking elsewhere this election cycle...is that kinda their right?
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@SHK Bezos does not own the NY Times.
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Having lived most of my life in a college town I absolutely abhor the ubiquitous red plastic solo cup. These things are a blight on my beautiful town, especially during the sick alcohol drenched football weekends. It's so depressing to watch the tradition, especially at fraternities, of binge drinking beer ponged polluters not giving a damn about their own health or the environment. I challenge the generation interested in the green new deal to stop using these cups and as many other awful plastic bits of garbage as possible.
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Lost in the discussion is the fact that ANY one of the Democrats running is a thousand times better than what we have now. I just hope people, quite a few perhaps, do not hold on to their particular "special" candidate, but coalesce behind one candidate when casting their vote in 2020. It's always been about compromise.
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@Anton
I would vote for any of the other candidates, including Marianne Williamson over Donald J Trump.
It seems to me that these young voters are being very pragmatic.
It makes no sense to fall in love with your candidate to the point where you come to hate everyone else in the race. You may end up having to vote for one of those people and it’s much easier on the nose if you can find some good in the other guys. As a 60 something citizen who has in her entire voting life never had the opportunity to vote for my first choice in a general election I feel I can speak with some authority on the matter.
I am a staunch Sanders supporter but I admire Warren’s grasp of the issues. (I would like to see her tone down her “I know what’s best for you “ vibe though ) but I also like Amy Klobuchar’s ability to promote liberal ideas in a not so liberal state. I’d say the same about Steve Bullock.
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@Brooklyncowgirl Thank you for your level headed comments, while still expressing a strong preference. Messiah-like following of any candidate is extremely concerning to me, whether it's on the right or the left.
The reality is only the DEM or GOP candidates have any chance of being president. Sitting out an election or voting a protest vote only helps the party you don't want to win. Like you, I've never sat out an election and much of my life voted for a personal 2nd or 3rd choice major DEM/GOP candidate. I think many young liberal voters become so enamored with one candidate, that they loose sight that in the general election, the GOP candidate is the opposition, not the DEM candidate they didn't love in the primary.
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Well if it's any consolation, aside from what the polls say, while I'm going to go with Biden since the best candidate, Pete Buttigieg, isn't gonna get the nomination, I've come to the decision that I now like Sanders better than Warren. Sanders, in his gruffness, entertains and is somehow even endearing in his clear sincerity. Warren? She's SO jittery and skittish and full of self-righteousness that I just can't stand listening to her. She makes me so uncomfortable with her demeanor. She's not a bad person and he's a smart person but she's NOT what I want for my next president. In the final analysis I DO believe that common sense will prevail and we'll get Biden - i.e an easy win over Trump. Sanders has a role to play in American politics in that he's bringing up issues that no one else has been talking about before and that's a good thing in the long run. But no, he's not gonna be the next President of the United States.
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@ManhattanWilliam
Sanders is a fraud. He was a fraud four years ago and he's a fraud today.
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We should be so lucky for a Sanders nomination. He knows the players on the debate stages and will pluck the best talent for his team. Warren is Winderfuk - love her - Booker, Yang Buttigieg - these are people w ideas and zeal, and we need their inputs, but I’m for Bernie ... till the last.
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It’s over Bernie.
You and your supporters gave us trump.
It’s time for a new generation of leaders.
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@Brad
No Brad.
40 years of corporate donor rule starting with Reagan and hitting the unions and the commons for the profits of the wealthy gave us Trump. Racism in this country gave us Trump. Science denial and a move away from public education as the problem to private religious schools that teach belief gave us Trump. The constant attacks against labor gave us Trump. Fox News and right wing extremism gave us Trump. Constant attacks against the person and not the policy gave us Trump. We can’t afford that except when it’s war and republicans running things gave us Trump. Corporate democrats like Hillary and yes even Obama bailing out the Wall Street banks gave us Trump.
Brad people like you gave us Trump. Stop acting like a republican and projecting and take responsibility by looking at the issues and finding real solutions.
Yes we can do it and yes we can afford it. If we can give trillion dollar tax cuts to the wealthy shifting the tax burden to labor and deficits don’t matter we can do it.
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Actually, it was Clinton and the awful neo-liberal economic policies of the Democrats over the last 25 years that brought us Trump. If you actually cared about "the next generation", you'd side with the only candidate with overwhelming support from young voters: Bernie Sanders
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@Brad
Right before the last presidential election I had an argument with an ardent Bernie supporter who told me that Hillary was corrupt, and would win no matter what Bernie did.
Many, many factors led to the election result, but in the immediate past, it was obvious who siphoned off the tiny number of votes that would have given us an extremely different world right now.
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I was a big fan of Bernie Sanders after listening to a radio program for years that featured a weekly call in hour with Bernie. Eventually I noticed that he's great at messaging/slogans but short on well thought out critical paths to get there.
But the big clincher for me was when I finally realized after the California primary that anyone who's spent their entire, long career calling himself a "socialist" can never win a NATIONAL election at this time. I saw the billboards, heard the radio ads, and saw the TV spots with pictures of Soviet gulag, Kruschev or Hitler next to a shot of Bernie, and the glaring word "SOCIALISM".
The Republicans will paint the Democrats as raving socialists in the old Soviet/Fascist mold anyway, don't confirm their tactics by agreeing with the smears. The WORD socialist is poison and even Europeans practicing real Democratic Socialism won't use it. They call themselves Social Democrats.
Shot yourself in the foot, Bernie.
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@Entera
It's essential that the Democrats redefine the word "Socialist" in the American mind. The Dems haven't shown themselves to be particularly good at messaging, but it's time they figured out how. Socialist is far from Communist, and the Dems need to show that difference and show it again and again and again. Oh, and "Socialist" is about 180 from Hitler who was a Fascist.
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I must say, this headline smacks of 2016 establishment fear.
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Bernie is so 2016. I saw a comment on CNN where a woman said she felt he was shouting at her, I kind of agree. I wouldn't vote for him.
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Picking the proper time (a few weeks pre-Convention?) to bring the troops behind Warren should not be a big problem for all but die hard Berners. This opportunity to address 21st century realities should not be missed.
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@Purity of
"She'll lose to Trump." Trump, who has the most defeating and soul-destroying "solutions" to both trade and immigration? Really?
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An awful lot of people have felt and are now feeling the bern. I admire him. support many of his positions, and donated to his campaign in the last election.
But, Sanders has become an aging Johnny One Note with a message that resonates but never changes. As I watched the last two debates, the thought that Bernie could be replaced with a hologram from his appearances in 2016. We get it. Anything new? Like a foreign policy platform?
Our young voters want change. They face crippling costs for a lifetime after graduating college, the reality of armed intruder drills in their schools, biases in the older generation they view as hateful throwbacks to a time they barely understand, but more importantly the fear of a dismal future on a dying planet. They may want to believe a Democrat can be nominated who will fight for meaningful change but in reality, they see a party coming apart at the seams.
The likely nomination of a Democrat whose past record indicates more of the same slow death may well see a sitdown strike if the election devolves into a Biden-Trump fiasco. If the big tent accommodates only loyal and aging centrists, it will likely blow away in the winds of change it saw coming, but too late. And maybe that is for the best.
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@Rick Spanier
Bernie has said that when the situation changes, he'll talk about something else. Since 2016, things have only gotten worse.
Also, please take a look at the issues page on Bernie's website. His foreign policy is actually radically different from every other Democrat in the race. You'll also notice that, in spite of what the corporate media might tell you, his plans are far more comprehensive and detailed than Warren's.
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@Rick Spanier
What changes in his 2016 campaign do you think he should have made for his 2020 campaign? I can't think of a single time he has been on the wrong side of an argument or policy. He's the same guy he's always been because that guy has always been good.
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His foreign policy this time around is sane, beautiful and ambitious. He also wants to lead the world in the fight against climate change with the GND. And let’s not forget his plan to save objective journalism. Or the fact that he stood up and defended the idea of every citizen’s right to vote even though it was framed in a way that made him sound like he supported terrorists. He doesn’t wither away from justice for immediate political expediency. That alone is a unique leadership quality we should all admire and aspire towards.
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More NYT anti-Bernie fluff. His rallies are packed with young people.
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@Hmmm
When they look at who to blame for Trump, I hope the media who ignored Bernie in 2016 include themselves.
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@Hmmm I think that was acknowledged in the article.
It's totally wrong--and in fact mainstream media propaganda--to say that Sanders is politically interchangeable with Warren.
Sanders proclaims he is a democratic socialist, Warren says she is a "capitalist to the bone."
Sanders refuses to accept corporate money, Warren says she will accept money from any source once she wins the primaries and enters the general election phase.
Sanders is resolutely in favor of Medicare for All, forgiveness of student debts and free public higher education, Warren supports these positions but is much less emphatic on all of them.
Sanders runs in opposition to the bi-partisan political establishment, Warren plays a complex double game of being both within and outside the establishment.
These differences are why the corporate media, including The New York Times, is much more sympathetic to Warren than to Sanders.
The real successor to Sanders (and the only Democratic candidate in the entire field who could pretty clearly beat Trump) is Tulsi Gabbard. But the Democratic establishment is icing her out of the campaign. From their point of view, she is far too much against our permanent war government, even more so than Sanders, though she is somewhat more conservative on domestic issues.
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@Caleb
Last time around, Warren wrote the book, did the tour, and then "POOF!" no more Warren campaign. Michael Moore and other progressives arm-twisted Bernie into running. I voted for him. He was my candidate of second choice when Warren didn't run, but he was far better than Hillary.
The differences between Bernie and Hillary were massive. The differences between Bernie and Warren are not substantive. I think Wall Street is more afraid of Warren than Bernie because she's more hip to their tricks and would be more effective at shortening their leash.
Either of them would be a massive improvement over the last few decades. The biggest risk is them splitting the vote and allowing Biden to win, and then millions stay home on election day.
Whichever side you are on in the Bernie vs Warren divide, once the voting starts and one is stronger, it's critical to support the stronger one so the establishment doesn't triumph again.
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@Caleb Tulsi Gabbard? Seriously? You better read up on her. Anyone who is willing to play footsie with war criminal Assad is no good in my book. And, btw, the vast majority of Democratic voters agree.
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Green new deal pong in plastic solo cups?
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@Thomas Cussins ~
Thank you for mentioning the plastic cups! I noticed the contradiction to a Green New Deal too.
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@Thomas Cussins I'm sure they washed and reused them until they fell apart, then recycled them.
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I was such a diehard Berniecrat in 2016 that I voted for Jill Stein. I knew Clinton would win Mass and lodged my vote in protest of a clearly rigged system (that the DNC adopted new rules this time around is a tacit admission). I’m a Millennial who abhors the moderate likes of Buttigieg and Biden. They and others will not clinch the nomination.
But I like Warren better for the job this time around. So do a lot of younger voters my age. And I think a lot of older folks in Warren’s age category are hopping on board. Quite frankly, she’s gonna win. Expect Iowa, NH, and California to be the deciding factors early on.
But we as Sandernistas will always recognize the person who started the movement Warren will take to the West Wing. He deserves the credit he claims. And the DNC and country as a whole will be better for it. Warren will thank him later. For now, it’s all her.
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@JM
We all hate that rigged DNC system. So why is Warren so earnestly cultivating her connections with it? Why is she playing footsie with Hillary Clinton? Why is she taking money from the system she says she wants to regulate? Why does she call herself a capitalist to her bones?
Signed, a fellow Sandernista.
P.S: compare Bernie and Warren's foreign policies. Bernie's called a Sandernista for good reason. Warren, in comparison, would have exterminated the Sandanistas as gleefully as Reagan, whom she probably voted for.
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@JM. And if Biden is the nominee will you and others in your generation who wants to protect the environment, etc..."protest against a rigged system" again?
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@JM
Buttigieg is a fine candidate. You are mistaken about him.
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Senator Sanders is too elderly to be our next President. So is Vice- President Biden. Senator Warren will be my choice along with my daughter who will be 18 and will vote for the very first time. She stands for what I want- more equality across the board, better wages for teachers, higher taxes for the mega wealthy and the huge corporations like Amazon. Americans must wake up and see through all the rubbish. Is your life better now or 20 years ago? What about your children and grand- children? What about the EARTH? Get real people, Biden will not be able to withstand the pressures of the campaign nor the job of President. He is not nearly progressive or forward- thinking enough. Note that Obama has not come out for him. Do you wonder why?
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@Lou
Ageism in action! "Bernie's too old!" There's an eight-year difference between him and Warren. Eight years means you're too old and can't do anything, I guess.
Warren is powering her campaign with donations from the same companies you despise. You can't take money from the same system you say you want to change.
We had a well-prepared, well-qualified candidate with lots of plans run against Trump in 2016. She lost. Why not give someone else a try this time? Even Nate Silver said that Bernie would have won in 2016, had he been our nominee.
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@A.T. Schwartz
If I understand correctly, Warren will only take those donations if she becomes the candidate. I’d check your facts. And yes, the body, the bones and mind face accelerated decomposition at that age. Each year is exponentially different. I’d check those facts, too.
Finally, Nate Silver said many things. Warren seems to have a public momentum that HRC just never was able to create nor capitalize on. We are obviously going to give someone else a try this time. For the reasons you scoff at, and many others, I hope it is not Bernie.
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Bernie is my man, my 1st choice. Like Hillary, there is something about Warren that just doesn't sit well. Don't have that reservation with Bernie. If Biden wins the nomination I'm voting Green again. Other nominees would get my vote on the Democrat ticket so: will advocate Bernie and when the dust settles decide if a Democrat get my vote for Prez. And yes I agree wit others that the NYTs IMHO is biased toward Warren and prejudiced toward Bernie.
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@jazzme2
Your (and others like you) protest vote last time and your threat of one in 2020 strongly influenced the election that got Trump elected. I held my nose and voted for Clinton because Trump is so appalling. I don't want Biden either but he is far and away superior to another Trump election. Who I want and who I get as the Democratic nominee may not be the same but I will use my protest vote against Trump not for him as you suggest.
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You probably have that feeling with Warren because she's already schmoozing with DNC insiders and the Clinton's. How can we trust her to change the system when she's already sucking up to it?
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@jazzme2 could that something be internalized misogyny?
I despised Clinton, but I adore Warren. It might help if you get to meet her. She has done and been everything that she said she would be as our senator?
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Sanders brought a message that was unusual in 2016. Now his message is considered not that unique for 2020 and he is facing more skepticism about his ability to deliver.
Sanders has been an outsider in the Senate all this time. Outsiders are important to shake up the status quo but they are not suitable by temperament to work within a system to bring about change. How many bills has he championed and turned into law during his time in the Senate?
Warren has the ability to not only propose bold ideas but she also has shown the ability by creating the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau over the objection of many Democratic Wall Street backers. She must have made compromises to achieve that but that is the essence of politics. To accept a good or better outcome rather than hold out for the best.
Sanders should be tapped for a cabinet position but I think he is not right for the job of a President.
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@Meenal Mamdani
Tell me: who is running the CFPB right now, and why did Warren vote against this person?
Here's a long list of Bernie's accomplishments:
http://occasionalplanet.org/2016/03/04/a-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments/
Among them, Bernie voted against the FIRST Iraq War while Warren was voting for Republicans. There's nothing wrong with changing your mind, but we have a choice in this election between someone who has always been right, and someone else who has usually been wrong. We nominated a well-prepared, well-qualified expert centrist with all kinds of plans in 2016. She lost. And now even Nate Silver says that Bernie would have won. Why don't we try something a little different this time?
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@A.T. Schwartz
“And now even Nate Silver says that Bernie would have won.” Source?
Both Sanders and Warren remind us that there is a class war going on in this country, and that the middle and lower class are losing . No other candidates have acknowledged that greater and greater wealth is held by fewer and fewer people, and that the trend is accelerating.
Sanders and Warren are singing from the same book, but IMO Warren's voice is a little clearer.
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I was an avid supporter of Bernie in 2016 and was more than a bit disappointed when the New York Times and other mainstream media all but shut him out...yes, you! He’s back and he’s brought some like-minded friends with him. While I am still a fan, it’s a toss-up for me with Elizabeth Warren.
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Not to worry.
Bernie has undergone a shapeshifting in Warren.
She has the exact same ideas as the aging Socialist.
And, nice to know, the Working People's Party, the voice of Democratic Socialism in America, just endorsed her. She was ecstatic since they have a big machine to help elect "progressives" throughout the land.
As Bernie, in 2016, said in an email to his New York supporters urging them to vote for Hillary Clinton on the Working Families Party line on their ballots. In the same email, he described WFP as “the closest thing there is to a political party that believes in my vision of democratic socialism.”
There was considerable rancor this year when the WFP chose Warren without publishing the breakdown of figures and allowing the "leaders" to choose the result.
No problem.
Socialism believes in the people's democratic dictatorship.
Watch the Democratic Socialists of America waving their red flags as they march.
I am certain that this will play big in any general election.
BTW, Warren, while parroting Bernie word for word, accepting the Working Families Party endorsement, says that she is not a Socialist.
Whatever.
Actions speak louder than words.
Prepare for a massive loss to Trump and his right wing fascists when the left wing PC fascists get the Democratic nomination.
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Bernie is very much like the “rabbit” in a long distance race who goes out fast to get the other runners moving and then, Bern-ed out, leaves the race for others to win.
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This woman, with her hedge fund ties and her obvious deep prejudice against Bernie, has no business covering the campaign. Replace her with an objective reporter.
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@David Z
Wow! Great and True.
Sanders and Warren have most money from the most people=votes.
They will be unbeatable.
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@s.whether Their support overlap quite a bit and so it would not simply add up. If Sanders gets the nomination, I would rather he pick someone like Kamala Harris for VP. If Warren gets the nomination I would rather she pick Buttigieg. If I remember right, Hillary's pick of Tom Caine (totally similar candidate) and his performance against Mike Pence on their one debate also contributed to the loss of the ticket.
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@HSN. Tim Kaine was a completely uninspiring choice.
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Sanders is awesome but he is benign socialism. Benign socialism is great but it is not the best for America. Warren is identity politics and is not promoting an America for all. Andrew Yang is the real deal and the flagship proposal of UBI is a paradigm shift. Democrats should take the calculate risk and make him the nominate. He would appeal to many Trump voters more than Warren.
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@Binh Yang's UBI proposal is a trojan horse for libertarian dreams to end a social safety net for people most in need.
Medicare for all is the real deal to positively affect individual peoples lives-- and when enacted, with the movement needed to make it happen, forms the basis for greater demands to transform society (GND) by young people and the working class.
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@Binh
While I am supporting another candidate, frankly, right now Yang's UBI is the only hint from any of them towards helping the homeless, and he is the only one talking about the future of work. I don't see him in the top role but I do see him as Secretary of Labor.
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@LeftCoastReader
help the homeless? According to Yang, the UBI will be financed by a regressive VAT tax.
You got to read the label and not just drink the Kool-aid. In our political context, with the power of corporations and the one percent, Yang's UBI is a trojan horse and would be a real step back for the working class.
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This is a problem:
About Bill De Blasio. He ‘…entered the Democratic presidential race on the premise that his brand of urban progressive leadership could appeal on a national scale’.
And such a progressive leader is now gone.
The so called ‘urban progressive leader’, and the progressive wave that put AOC and such in power, could not get more than 1% of the registered Democrat vote across the country.
That puts ‘urban progressiveness’ at less than 0.25% of voters in the country.
Still Warren, Sanders, Butlieg, O’Rourke and the rest are all running on a progressive agenda.
Shouldn’t they be noticing that the ‘urban progressive leader’ of a most progressive city in the planet, could not get more than 1% of the polls?
This should be a huge red flag for all them progressives.
The Democrats bought into the AOC effect when they decided the progressive left edge was the way to go. Apparently only 1% of the country wants that kind of leadership.
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It should be a basic premise: you have to join the party whose ticket you want to be on. Bernie wants to have his cake and eat it too.
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Over ONE MILLION individual donors and growing. Party or not, which is really besides the point, this is the number. 1,000,000+. #Bernie2020
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@Anne Hajduk
Re: "It should be a basic premise: you have to join the party whose ticket you want to be on."
Would you rather Bernie run in the general as a third party candidate?
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@Anne Hajduk
Re: "It should be a basic premise: you have to join the party whose ticket you want to be on."
Would you rather Bernie run as a third party candidate in the general election?
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Just vote. If your candidate looses in the primaries, just vote for the better candidate. But vote
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I went to the Bernie event in Denver where we were 10,000 people strong. I went to school at UNC and know that they had to turn away a large number of people at the gates yesterday in Chapel Hill because the crowd was too large.
The part of your article I agree with is that Bernie Sanders still maintains a very large, double-digit lead among young people & that young people are more likely to vote in 2020.
I know the corporate masters of the NYTIMES (military industrial complex, healthcare insurance lobby, banking lobby, etc) don't want to give him a chance, which is why yesterday's sellout in Chapel Hill was covered with this awful headline, but the people are still feeling the bern & his train is rolling !!
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@Kevin Couldn’t agree more!
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Warren's NY rally had 20,000 people this week - both are getting support. and both should be supported until they join forces
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@cory
If they ran together as Pres and VP it would insure a win. But the DNC already has decided that its Biden's turn. Just like they did when they said it was Hillary's turn. If we can't turn the DNC around Trump will win again.
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Warren's mistake of endorsing the status quo (Clinton) in 2016 rather than the progressive policy candidate (Bernie) who aligned much more with her own politics still gives me pause in consdering support of her candidacy in 2020. I suspect I am not alone in feeling this way.
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im sure Warren was also being pragmatic and had a desire for a female candidate, but it is troubling. nevertheless, it is arguably irrelevant now in my opinion
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It isn't irrelevant because there are already reports that she is talking in private with DNC insiders and Hillary Clinton (probably to get her superdelegates at a contested convention). How can we trust someone to shake up the system when they so easily saddle up to it?
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@cory
Sure, let's just ignore her entire past.
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I continue to wonder, based on their incendiary and absolutely uncompromising view towards other candidates, especially Biden, whether Bernie Bros realize they can throw this election to trump. It was sad to see the level of fervent narrow-mindedness in the last election and I hope people realize the stakes to the fabric of our democracy. As with religion and food, when it comes to political zeal there can be too much of a good thing.
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@CP And I wonder if the Biden Bros realize they can throw this election to trump - talk about uncompromising vews. I like Biden, but you are correct that there can be too much of a good thing - especially when there's now a better thing.
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@CP The fervent narrow mindedness you speak of IS the "democratic" national committee who will force Joe Biden on us and (apparently) be just fine with either victory or donald j trump. Again.
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@CP
"New findings from The Economist show that women under 45 make up a larger share of Bernie Sanders’ base than do men in their same age group,"
9/20 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gyzjmb/bernie-bros-women-under-45-make-up-a-larger-share-of-bernie-sanders-base-than-men
Please stop with the Bernie Bro myth.
It was always, only myth.
President Sanders 2020!
A Future To Believe In!
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To his credit, Bernie Sanders has helped to advance the political expectations of the Democratic Party, and if he wins the primary, I wouldn’t exactly hesitate to vote for him.
That being said, populism is dangerous, no matter who is channeling it. If a politician promises that they’re going to do something, and can’t elaborate as to how that thing might be done, then that person doesn’t actually have the policy ideas that they claim to.
What they have is an ego, and a lust for power.
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@ubique
Bernie's website has a longer list of far-more detailed plans than Warren's. Don't believe me? Compare them yourself. I probably can't post them here.
Also, America has a long tradition of leftwing populism in the form of socialists like Eugene Debs, a major inspiration for Sanders, as well as the CPUSA, which played a major roll (along with lots of striking unions) in shifting FDR to the left. American rightwing populism, in contrast, tends to come in the form of the KKK. There's a pretty massive, obvious difference. The working class at the moment is fed up with capitalism, which is why so many people are distancing themselves from sclerotic centrists like Warren, Biden, and the rest of the Democratic clown car.
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Bernie waited too late to withdraw from the race in 2016. Had he thrown his voice behind Hillary sooner, we may not have had Trump.
I hope history doesn’t repeat itself. Bernie and Warren are running neck and neck; they could nail this if after the primaries they run as a team. We can’t have the party split in 2020.
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He passionately campaigned for her in Wisconsin and Michigan: two states she didn't feel bothered to campaign in herself and lost by a razor thin margin. All that for a candidate who screwed him out of the nomination.
Maybe you should stop blaming Bernie and blame the nominee who felt she was owed the presidency and then lost to a reality TV rodeo clown.
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@denise Hilary lost cause she's was a bad candidate; not because of Sanders. That's a cop-out line. Any decent person should have been able to beat Trump so that tells you a lot about where the DNC stands now.
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@Neddy Seagoon -- "Maybe you should stop blaming Bernie and blame the nominee who felt she was owed the presidency and then lost to a reality TV rodeo clown."
Well put. But clowns are funny.
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Sanders remains the most authentic and honest politician
in today’s American politics.
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@New World. My goodness...Making unsustainable and unreasonable proposals (promises) doesn't exactly exude "honesty." Sorry, but any one of us could shout from a campaign stage and say "when you vote for me, I will give you...". How different is that from those who fell for Trump's pledges?
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Because his policies and proposals are sustainable. Check out his website for his plans on Medicare for All, the Green New Deal, criminal justice reform, education reform, housing reform, etc. If we can sink trillions into endless war and tax breaks for billionaires, then we can also spend that money on improving our social safety net and improving the lives of millions of Americans in fire straits.
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@New World
Honest. He is a bully!
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I am fairly disappointed by the exclusion of any mention of Andrew Yang. He has been consistently been polling higher than Biden for voters under 35 and is the fresher faced, extremely intelligent, and stunningly eloquent candidate that many people in that age group are turning to in a race crowded by politicians who will be octogenarians by the time they leave office. You can’t talk about Bernie alternatives without mentioning Yang.
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@Max Rosenberg Yang is mentioned in the article.
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@JK Going over the article again I see that I must've missed it, but frankly the allusion seems more like that of an entertaining afterthought than as the serious contender that he is turning out to be. I almost find this more insulting to him to be honest.
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Bernie generated the vision and created the door which the likes of Warren et al stepped through. He was a voice crying in the wilderness just a few short years ago, ridiculed by the Clinton neo-liberals who could neither articulate a vision nor inspire if their lives depended on it.
He continues to survive repeated attacks by reporters like Embers, a person steeped in the world of finance who was tapped, inexplicably, to cover the man loathed by those in the world of Wall St.
People like Bernie are often used and then cast out. But their voices resonate long after they are "eliminated" by the pundits, who never seem to run out of breath.
Whether he wins or not, he made his mark in an heroic effort to make things better.
For that, he should have our respect. Thank you, Bernie.
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@TM Exactly! People like Warren and Yang only have a platform because of Bernie. He's like Barry Goldwater, considered the father of the conservative movement, only for the Progressives instead.
Also, for everyone who's like "Bernie's always yelling; he's too aggressive." Honestly, that's what's bothering you? Trump can rant but Bernie can't yell. He yells because he's passionate. Also, yes true debates are not his best platform. But if you listen to his town halls or his podcast with Joe Rogan on Youtube or other longer form conversations, you will hear him talk and explain his policies better and more calmly. I wish he could explain himself better too.
Having said that, I would also support either Warren or Yang. However, it doesn't make sense to support Sanders and then have Pete or Harris or Biden as your second choice. Completely different policies. I don't get it.
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@TM
The status quo is what's given us Donald Trump and it's what's gonna continue to give us catastrophic climate change.
By far the most expensive military on the Planet -- ours, and you can be proud of that fact, or not -- happens to agree with Senator Sanders -- this existential threat to human, and nearly all life, as we know it, faces massive challenges, and it's gonna take someone NOT beholden to corporations to take action.
The kids know it.
The ''adults'' are mostly clueless.
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@TM
He should have not only our respect, but our vote.
I like Warren, but I trust policy.Sanders more, particularly on foreign policy.
While Sanders' passion for forty years has been improving the lives of ALL working people, he has always cared about foreign policy. Sanders gut instinct is a demilitarized, diplomacy oriented foreign policy. Only Sanders has the vision and courage to stand up to the extraordinarily powerful, Washington foreign policy establishment and the military industrial complex.
The US desperately needs a foreign policy that enables a more stable and sustainable world.
President Sanders 2020!
A Future To Believe In!
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The moment will come when there is one democratic candidate to vote for... Removing the current administration by way of an election, will require the conviction to VOTE based on what is at stake for our future...that means NOT sitting out the election because your favorite candidate isn't the nominee.
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Elizabeth Warren has a number of advantages over Bernie.
First, she is a far better messenger. I don’t think yelling makes an argument more compelling, but it sure can turn people off from the message.
Second, she is actually a member of the Democratic Party. Getting the support of the rank and file member of Congress with be critical for anything to be done. Bernie has made a lot of enemies over the years, thus it will be challenging for him to build a coalition to work with him.
Lastly, Warren has moved from being a conservative to becoming a liberal. While some might say “see, she’s a fraud”, I would counter that no, she paid attention and her world view adjusted as a result. Better? She knows how conservatives think and how to counter their arguments. Bernie? He just yells louder.
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@Bill Seng
1. If you aren't angry about the state of the world, there is something wrong with you. Outside of your cocktail parties, people are suffering, and we are extremely angry.
2. People—even plenty of Democrats—despise the Democratic Party for many, many good reasons. Not being a member of the party is a plus, particularly when it comes to winning over Republicans and Independents. Sanders is extremely popular in rural Vermont, while Warren has, at best, lackluster support in urban blue Massachusetts. There's an 18% approval gap based on gender with Warren, and more women currently support Sanders than Warren. Ditto when it comes to young people of color. We love Bernie!
3. Bernie has always been in the right place. Warren only stopped voting for Republicans when she turned 47. We have a choice between someone who has usually been wrong and someone else who has always been right. Even Nate Silver said that Bernie would have won in 2016. We tried a well-prepared, well-qualified centrist in 2016. She lost. Let's try something different.
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@Bill Seng
This is a ridiculous take. The member of the Democratic party argument is irrelevant. He has literally set the agenda for the Democratic party! All the ideas being talked about on the debate stage are because of him bringing them to light. The Democratic label has been stained by years of neo-liberalism, but, in practice, Bernie espouses more FDR-based Democratic principles than any of them. Furthermore, your understanding of politics is conventional and outdated. No potential president is getting anything worthwhile done with the Republicans or corporate Dems via compromise. Bernie is the only candidate who will use the power of grassroots enthusiasm to affect real change. Throughout American history, the only time meaningful change has been accomplished was when the people demanded it, not a bunch of politicians passing bills. The women's rights, civil rights and labor movement all came from the bottom-up, not the top down. Bernie is the only politician who I trust to actual advocate for the American people and not pay lip service like the rest of them. He has a life-long track record of principled integrity. Also, this Bernie yells a lot is another smear laid upon him. He is deeply passionate, no doubt, but listen him on the Joe Rogan experience or in his town halls and tell me that the man is not incredibly articulate and thoughtful in his answers. To conclude, I will gladly vote for Warren, but your mischaracterization of Bernie Sanders shows real ignorance.
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@Bill Seng For everyone who's like "Bernie's always yelling; he's too aggressive." Honestly, that's what's bothering you? Trump can rant but Bernie can't yell? He yells because he's passionate. Also, yes true debates are not his best platform. But if you listen to his town halls or his podcast with Joe Rogan on Youtube or other longer form conversations, you will hear him talk and explain his policies better and more calmly. I wish he could explain himself better too. He has been fighting for the working people for 40 years, while Warren was still a Republican.
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Of course "young people" support other candidates that advocate for similar policy goals. The media elite and the Democratic establishment are the only ones who thought that Mr. Sanders' support was due to some cult of personality made up of "Bernie Bro's." It was his policies which are now being much more widely embraced by the rest of the party, some likely sincerely and other just a lip service. However, like Mr. Sanders, Ms. Warren has been an advocate for similar policies since before it was "cool" to do so.
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Bernie has been fighting for what we all need for over forty years.
He’s the one who is doing it for everyone, not because he wants to be president.
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Then why didn’t she endorse Bernie last election?
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@Lilly
Bernie is not doing it for me! Warren is a better choice.
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We all like Elizabeth Warren, but I will stand for Bernie. I don’t need a fresh face or new ideas when Bernie has the best ideas, and I know, he has and always will fight for those ideas.
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@rebecca1048
The basic issue in the choice between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren is that Sanders wants to change the system, whereas Warren wants to continue and improve the system, or "regulation vs. revolution,” as Elizabeth Bruenig, of the Washington Post said.
Vox had a good explanation https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18678000/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020-similarities-differences
"Warren’s vision is deeply rooted in her policies solving the ills of society, whereas Sanders is calling for a social movement to upend the American political order as we know it. Then again, it’s hard to ignore that they back many of the same policies."
So, in my reading, Sanders supports broad, sweeping changes, like canceling student debt. Warren supports compromises, like cancelling *some* student debt.
I think we need broad, sweeping changes. The conservatives destroyed the government since Ronald Reagan. We have to build it up again. As the Chinese are demonstrating to us, a modern economy needs broad central planning, with integrated education, manufacturing, transportation, housing, and a national strategy. We must combine Chinese strategy with American freedoms.
Bernie Sanders will give us fundamental change. Warren will give us incremental change. I think fundamental change is better. But either way, this is a tremendous improvement for the Democratic Party.
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@rebecca1048
Wow, I really like this idea of universal basic income, just let me know where to sign up for the free $1,000 per month.
I also want the extra $200 a month in Social Security, college loan forgiveness, free college for my grandkids, Medicare for all (including illegal immigrants), reparations for blacks and gays, Green New Deal and federal job guarantees—you know, all the free stuff the Democratic candidates have been promising.
All of the fabulously wealthy individuals and corporations put together do not have enough money to pay the trillions of dollars required for all of these goodies year after year, and even Bernie Sanders has admitted that taxes will have to be raised on the middle class just to pay for free college, not to mention all of those other freebies. (For perspective, the annual US budget is about $4 trillion per year; by all means, let’s quadruple it or more to pay for all the free stuff.)
As Margaret Thatcher aptly noted, the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.
Remember, folks, our goal is to elect a Democratic president in 2020, not to make Karl Marx smile in his grave.
Free everything for everyone will get Trump re-elected.
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@rebecca1048 Bernie does not have the best ideas. His college debt forgiveness is a good example. Unlike Warren's plan, Bernie's plan is a one-time debt relief. This is quite short-sighted, since it means the next generation, and the generations after that, will face the exact same issue.
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