Hurricane Dorian Swamps North Carolina’s Outer Banks

Sep 06, 2019 · 66 comments
PAN (NC)
The sun is now shining after a quick blow through Atlantic Beach by Dorian. I can almost make out Lookout lighthouse in the distance from my deck, One of the buildings damaged by Florence was just finished being repaired last week with a new and better roof - now flapping in the wind with the same result to the repaired roof in the building behind it. My building has yet to be repaired - perhaps next month - many units still gutted and my top floor unit is still intact - even the Florence compromised roof held up better than the new improved roof being installed and due to be installed on my building. Go figure! Florence took its time and dumped a lot more water and and caused more flooding than Dorian, though Dorian kicked up early series of tornados just down the beach at Emerald Isle. I still feel safer hunkered down with an ocean view with options to fall back should there be a severe storm surge. Like Florence, the wind direction seems to have minimized the surge. It is insane to evacuate and get on the road only to increase my risk of being stranded, flooded, electrocuted, or shot by crowds of homeless, stranded or desperate people with guns. It is trump country in this area after all. Feeling safe and enjoying an empty beach, a hot cup of coffee watching the cool wave action on the ocean and catching up with The Times using limitless solar power to keep my iPhone charged while others are “stranded” in no mans in-land on the other side of the bridge.
Artemis (USA)
Where is your empathy for those not as fortunate as you? And you wonder why those in trump country can't stand those who are not part of their tribe. Generalizing and criminalizing other survivors not as fortunate as you, those out on the street as you describe below, is not much different than trump describing all Mexicans as criminals and rapists. You wrote: "It is insane to evacuate and get on the road only to increase my risk of being stranded, flooded, electrocuted, or shot by crowds of homeless, stranded or desperate people with guns."
PAN (NC)
@Artemis I actually agree with you if you read that statement the negative way you did. I did not intend to generalize to survivors - and I certainly did not imply criminalizing survivors, only those who will use guns to victimize other survivors to get their way (that is the trump mentality) - survival of the most armed. I was inartfully pointing out that the blanket abandon ship mentality of mandatory evacuations versus hunkering down should not apply to all - as was demonstrated by the deaths caused by evacuations from other storms in the Gulf coast after Katrina. Unfortunately, those less fortunate will find themselves in very harsh circumstances as was evident after Florence for which the trump always showed ZERO empathy even though a majority of the victims of Florence support him playing golf and tweeting during hurricanes. As someone who grew up with and have many close Mexican friends, I reserve the right to throw slings and arrows against those who support this depraved president who has children dying in his cages, and children receiving lifesaving medical care receiving death sentences by mail, and proxies shooting Mexicans to death at Walmarts. Compared to trump and his ilk, I do have empathy - as vilified a sentiment as that is on the callous right which obviously does not.
Nad Nerb (The Country)
The assumption is not they're "less fortunate"; it's that they're less smart for not waiting it out. They could've been just as fortunate as PAN, if they were just a little smarter. Of course, that could be their misfortune.
SN (Philadelphia)
I hear the storm is taking a sharp turn southwest and is headed to Alabama.
Dave (Miami)
Everyone I know in Miami is helping -- dropping supplies, donating money, or, in heroic cases, making the trip to physically assist. Many of us went through Andrew, and know first hand the misery of a Cat 5. We rebuilt in South Miami Dade -- the Bahamas will as well.
Kaleberg (Port Angeles, WA)
@Dave That's a valiant sentiment, but it's exactly the wrong thing to do. The Bahamas are an impoverished archipelago in a hurricane prone region subject to the most drastic effects of global warming. The highest point in the islands is only about 200 feet. In other words, they are a deathtrap. Maybe if they had the economic resources of Singapore they could find a way to deal with rising seas and bigger storms, but they don't. The belief that we should always rebuild in the face of nature's wrath is not going to survive climate change.
Our Road to Hatred (nj)
Not for N. Caroliona--but surely for the Bahamas, the richest .01% or so, can find room in their hearts and pocketbooks to collectively spare and donate whatever aid is needed for a humanitarian effort. If not, I'm sure the decaying stench will reach our shores.
New World (NYC)
@Our Road to Hatred The 1% will get the message when all that trash land on the shores of their beach mansions.
Richard Katz (Tucson)
Trump has just issued an Executive Order permitting certain Republican voting states to open "franchises" in other states. Alabama has already fast-tracked its filing for an Alabama franchise in North Carolina so that Alabama can be in the path of the hurricane. Holy Trump!
Lisa Skye (San Jose CA)
Did they see it coming?
Becky (Raleigh)
The link for damages in Wilmington is inaccurate. This is damage from hurricane Florence. You may want to correct it.
Citizen (White Plains, NY)
I wish the NYT could have provided additional videos and pictures showing our troops, helicopters, planes and ships providing necessary medical, food and other supplies to the people of Bahama. A massive invasion of humanity. How proud would I be of my Country, especially in contrast with some of the ugliness that we see almost daily.
CitizenX (Detroit Metro)
@Citizen I heartily agree. Apparently, many people are unaware that the U.S. Coast Guard was one of the very first responders and has been evacuating many people all week.
Citizen (White Plains, NY)
Not much press on the US government aid. It appears to this viewer that most of the aid is coming from non-governmental organizations (NGOs). Maybe the White House should spend a little time discussing our assistance?
Marie (Boston)
RE: "The storm is moving out to sea" All the graphics in the Times show the world ending in North Carolina as the storm track heading out as if there is nothing north of there. Why is then that all the forecasts show Dorian to continue up the coastline and for the southeast corner of New England (where there is a tropical storm warning) as well as parts of NJ and NY to be affected by the storm but it doesn't deserve a mention in the Times? It's as if the storm is over. Out to sea.
New World (NYC)
@Marie Yea, and what about Long Island and Fire Island, What are we, mashugana. ?
Newfie (Newfoundland)
Yeah, and what about Nova Scotia and Newfoundland ??!!
Carl Lee (Minnetonka, MN)
They must have thought Dorian was going to Alabama. Now how could they have gotten such an idea?
Mark (Golden State)
NJ/NY/New England beware the Sharpie Nostradumus! no truth that he keeps it handy, in his sock like TO used to - perhaps a fine is in order?
AJ (Trump Towers sub basement)
What are these people doing in the Outer Banks? And why do we have to pay for their rescues if they were too dumb to follow evacuation guidelines/requirements?
Greenfordanger (Yukon)
I genuinely ask why people choose not to evacuate during these catastrophes if they have that option. Do they think that the catastrophe will be less severe than predicted ( as perhaps per Ms. Lanier who had never seen water that high), believe the forecast but have confidence in their ability to withstand it and feel that evacuating would be too great an inconvenience or are they frightened that others might vandalize their residences if they left them. I understand the instinct to stay close to your home but I would not hesitate to evacuate if that option was available because the impact of miscalculating the risk is just too high.
As-I-Seeit (Albuquerque)
SHAME on the Outer Banks residents who refused to evacuate, and selfishly and needlessly put first responders like my son at risk! There ought to be a penalty for them, or at least public shaming.
J Darby (Woodinville, WA)
@As-I-Seeit "Public shaming?" Restraining stocks in the Public Square?
Debra F. (United States)
@As-I-Seeit If they don’t, then they should, bill everyone rescued from areas under an evacuation order for the cost of their rescue. And then publish who is billed and how much. Might make people think before they stay the next time.
Jonathan Katz (St. Louis)
There are places people shouldn't live: Outer Banks, Bahamas, low-lying coasts and flood plains.
Dan (Palo Alto)
@Jonathan Katz Florida, Savannah, Charleston, Morehead City, Wilmington, Baltimore, New York, Providence, Boston, Cape Cod, Mobile, New Orleans, Houston, San Diego, L.A.
Trassens (Florida)
Islands are the prefer place of the hurricanes to make big disasters. Dorian will not the first.
Bill Landis (Rappahannock VA)
Trump was able to keep the focus on him via the Alabama fake. That's all he cares about.
Erik Frederiksen (Oakland, CA)
"“The water is higher than I have ever seen it,” said Ms. Lanier, who owns the independent bookstore Books to Be Red." An observation which become more and more common as the decades roll by.
Mike (la la land)
If you relied on Donald Trump, who plays a President on TV, you would never know that a hurricane destroyed a sovereign neighbor country this week. Not one small finger lifted to take action or ask to put support together for the victims. He has hardly mentioned Americans who are being affected...except those in Alabama who were not.
Lee Downie (Henrico, NC)
@Mike Our Coast Guard did get there. Those guys and girls are great!
Patrick (Maryland)
People are in need. And yet the hatred for Trump continues nonstop.
I have had it (observing)
The people get their guidance from their President.
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
Now that Dorian is headed out to sea, the residents of Alabama can finally breathe a huge sigh of relief. But seriously, let's not blow Donald Trump's vandalization of the Hurricane Dorian forecast track map out of proportion. It was just the latest black mark on his Presidency.
Lee Downie (Henrico, NC)
@Jay Orchard All he had to do was grin and say "OOPS!" Problem solved.
Jackson (Virginia)
@Jay Orchard. Snarkiness should not be confused with cleverness.
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
@Lee Downie In Trump's mind oops is a four letter word.
common sense advocate (CT)
In the midst of all of this, I'm struck by a kind of extreme sadness that translating storm warnings into the language that more than 40 million people in our country speak is headline news. The bumper sticker I'd like to see ahead of 2020: Be kind, to All people.
RN (Miami)
Thank you for taking care of the dogs, Ms. Anderson.
Tracy Donohe (Greenville, NC)
As a resident of eastern North Carolina, I appreciate the New York Time's hurricane reporting. When you're in a hurricane, as I am now, you don't need the hype that you get on TV. You need the facts and that's what I get from the New York Times.
EKB (Mexico)
Thank you, NY Times, for your excellent coverage, including the graphics and photos and videos.
Celia (Florida)
The damage in the Bahamas, from the news stories I have seen , are absolutely horrible. My sympathies are with them. We were spared here on the Florida coast, but were as ready as we could be. And I know that there is only so much you can do in a cat 5. As an engineer I also know the strength differences between the cats is not linear. And damage especially in a storm that stalls out in an unprecedented fashion. So now is the important time. To rebuild smartly and responsibly. This will not happen there. Even here in the US, rebuilding from Harvey and Michael ( both areas I travelled thru post storm) is poorly executed and slow. And we have access to many more materials and intellect. Looking at the aerial images, I see much land mass appears to have been washed out to sea. In islands that are low lying this is a deal breaker with rebuilding infrastructure in those areas. I also see many semi wealthy individuals leaving. Most likely no insurance payouts to rebuild, so go somewhere else. These are the people that could put money back into the economy. These are also people generally with the skills to rebuild in a smart way or to guide the rebuilding. I imagine the only places that will rebuild to any code will be the cruise ship destinations. Otherwise , shanties for the help that will be destroyed the next go round. And the "go round" there got historically horrific. Still, my sympathies. Maybe the Times could publish a list of legit charities ?
arcadia65 (nj)
@Celia Global Giving gets high marks. I use that charity.
CitizenX (Detroit Metro)
@Celia I would also recommend World Central Kitchen, Chef Jose Andres' non-profit. Chef Jose has been in Nasau since last weekend providing food, water and delivery of same to people in need and first responders. WCK under the empathetic, passionate, and well-organized leadership of Chef Jose is a first-responder extraordinaire!
David Hapner (Columbia, SC)
Please contact your Representatives and Senators to request that all border wall funding and military support go to the Bahamas immediately. These people need our help and the United States has the wherewithal.
Nanno (Superbia)
Since it's part of the British Commonwealth, public funds should come from that entity. That doesn't mean we as individual citizens shouldn't give generously as we choose.
Socrates (Downtown Verona. NJ)
Sorry, David Hapner. The good people of the Bahamas are not white enough for Trump and the GOP Senate to offer anything beyond paper towels. Sad.
Alan Einstoss (Pittsburgh PA)
A Times article early this week described how the tracking map was only an outside plan of what possibly could happen.The track and versus the eye ,what course it could take and the just in case scenario. All the information is important because Katrina was never supposed to hit New Orleans ,flood damage caused by rain alone has often done the most damage and there's responsibility in not warning people.
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
Enough with the nonsense about whether a hurricane makes "landfall" in the US. Making "landfall" is a technical term which refers only to the dead center of the eye crossing land. Who cares? You can have a hurricane that causes catastrophic destruction in the US without it ever making "landfall" here. This kind of "news," while accurate, is "fake" in the sense that it is not only not newsworthy, it is misleading.
Celia (Florida)
@Jay Orchard I am up North of you on the east Florida coast and was in the bullseye for awhile. I can majorly thank the Orlando Channel 6 news team for their great coverage, untiring, of the storm. For DAYS, channel 6 gave us updates as they came in, showed the predictions and gave data on the conservative side. This was to encourage evacuations from our beach areas as this storm turned out to be quite unpredictable. My home was spared, but it could have been worse. We had great info from our local news that ended up with many being prepared. Nothing wrong with that! Also, I am not affiliated with the news station, just a fan of their storm coverage.
Max Brown (New York, NY)
@Jay Orchard I take it your preferred headline is "Hurricane Dorian Damages North Carolina's Outer Banks Due to Unspecified Proximity." Much better.
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
@Max Brown No. My preferred headline is "Hurricane Dorian Pummels North Carolina." But nice try Max.
Woolly Democrat (Western Mass)
How is it barreling the Northeast? I’m in the Northeast and wondering if this article has important storm information to my region. Did I miss the reference in the article?
bu (DC)
@Woolly Democrat The latest update speaks of the southeastern corner of Massachusetts, Woods Hole, Marthas Vineyard, Nantucket and Cape Cod. Hope that you're not in the way.
Sarah Lawrence (Atlanta)
*culs de sac I’m sorry this bothered me, am I the only one?
Kat (IL)
I just skimmed the article so I didn’t notice it, but that is the correct pluralization. “De sac” is the adjective describing the noun. As an example, you would say “green apples” rather than “greens apple.”
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
Culs de sac is correct. Like the plural of attorney general which is attorneys general not attorney generals.
Jay Orchard (Miami Beach)
@Kat You mean you would say attorneys general instead of attorney generals.
Thomas (L)
Hurricane in South Carolina? I’m sorry, I thought that was just Lindsey Graham talking...
uga muga (miami fl)
"and at least one basketball hoop that was blown over." This is a frightening line. What's scary is that anyone would write, responsibly edit or read these words and consider them serious reporting in the context of an adult environment outside an insane asylum.
Jonathan Katz (St. Louis)
@uga muga It's a way to describe wind speed, not a statement that this was important or that other damage wasn't.
MIMA (heartsny)
And meanwhile President Trump insists Alabama would be involved. How about hearing a little sympathy from Trump instead? The man has absolutely no sense of others’ situations or feelings or hardships or misery.
Stephen (Florida)
You can bet we’d have heard a lot had landfall been at Mar-A-Lago!
Carlyle T. (New York City)
@Stephen Yes ! He would have sent in the Marines to get his own property in shape once again.
Ralphie (CT)
@MIMA except Alabama was threatened early on. See this article: https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/weather/2019/08/30/hurricane-dorian-alabama-update-path-track-category-projection-forecast/2164905001/ The alabama nat guard announced that Alabama was under threat from a hurricane (Dorian) and was ready to go.