South African Riots Over ‘Xenophobia’ Prompt Backlash Across Africa

Sep 05, 2019 · 36 comments
David Anderson (Chelsea NYC)
Lots below in the comments about overpopulation - certainly a cause of poverty. What causes overpopulation? Religion, the Catholic church (and Islam) in particular. When Popes say that condom use is worse than AIDS they're producing the kind of misery overpopulation causes. "Religion poisons everything" - Hitchens.
Fasoh (Illinois)
Canada knows how to smartly handle immigration.
ron (san francisco)
All of this is catalyzed by over-population, particularly. in Africa. Nigeria which had a population of 45M+ in 1960 now numbers over 200M and is projected to grow to over400M in 2050..with birth rates arguably between 6-7 per family. The result....massive attempted migration to Europe and South Africa, both areas with perceived economies far better than at home. Of course there is pushback...sometimes violent. This problem will never be resolved until the populations, particularly of less developed countries are brought back to economically sustainable levels. Absent that, we will see a breakdown of political borders with a continued 'free-flow' of the economically savaged people to wealthier countries.
Ma (Atl)
Sometimes I think it's pure luck that the US developed and succeeded in starting a new country, one based on rule of law. While initial laws may not have been good (e.g. early slavery) and enforcement not perfect (e.g. late slavery), I can think of no better country when it comes to freedom co-existing with rule of law and diversity. Humans do not appear to be able to create peaceful governments and societies that last. But South Africa is a heartbreak and has been, even after apartheid. Perhaps worse than those times. Greed? Hate? Which comes first? This is not new in South Africa, and it's not isolated to that part of the continent. Seems whether you are white, black, yellow, or something in between, you are still human and struggle with us vs. them.
Chris (Minneapolis)
Over population in respect to available resources. And then this--every Republican administration cuts of family planning aid to Africa. And now we have the Pope in Africa hoping to fill his Catholic coffers once again.
D (Btown)
I lived in South Africa for 6 months there is ramped unemployment but foreign nationals still flood the country and take SA citizens jobs. SA needs mandatory military subscription for those who don’t attend college this provides jobs discipline , and. a trained workforce
Laura Narayani (DC)
Not military subscription but a peace subscription..... yes to the discipline and using government power to engender folks helping folks and getting help in return or as a by product ..... classic win win win.
Stanley Gomez (DC)
Africa (and South and Central America) have a population growth which is 40% higher than that of the rest of the world. That puts tremendous pressure on economically challenged countries. This is the root cause of south Africa's immigration problems- not racism or climate change.
Jordan (Lagos, Nigeria)
@Stanley Gomez Tribalism is a key factor and job scarcity foments violence within that construct. Population growth plus the global economic transformation has furthered angst and competition for fewer jobs.
Robin (Rwanda)
South Africans, please be strong enough to see those enterprising other Africans as people who admired your culture and can help your country grow along with the rest of Africa. In the East African Union, we have to get used to the idea that competition, while painful at first, actually makes us stronger. Today Rwandan goods are increasing in quality, thanks to that competition. Now when I bring a Rwandan gift, I feel proud of what we make. Let’s “lift all boats”.
JPH (USA)
The ravages of capitalism and colonialism continue and transform into new forces, new shapes, and new history .
Linda (Anchorage)
@JPH Whilst colonialism has had deep and long lasting consequences throughout the world, there comes a time for nations to take responsibility for the actions taken within. Continually blaming colonialism for violence in Africa makes it sound like these countries cannot move on. My daughter-in-law is from Uganda and tells me that many countries are doing a lot better today than years ago, progress is happening but it is too slow for many. The lesson here is not about the ravages of colonialism, it is about how humanity turns on people we see as different. In the US poor wages and a loss of hope for good jobs, especially in the rust belt, has been used to turn people on illegal immigrants. Look at the nastiness in our country. This evil crosses racial boundaries and cultures throughout the world. Sadly, Africa is showing us that we are very much the same throughout the world. Same for Myanmar, same for Sri Lanka and same for the US.
Jordan (Lagos, Nigeria)
@JPH You are judging Africans as though they have no say in their own destiny. Sovereign African states are empowered to make their own decisions to transform their respective countries.
JPH (USA)
@Linda What are you trying to say ? You seem so confused . It is not the question of blaming colonialism but capitalism and colonialism. Capitalism is today's responsibility and these country cannot do anything because they don't have the means and their resources are being abused still in the 21st century by the nations that were colonizing them in the last centuries. Just different means . Same effect .
Padman (Boston)
A Pew Research poll conducted in 2018 showed that 62% of South Africans viewed immigrants as a burden on society by taking jobs and social benefits and that 61% of South Africans thought that immigrants were more responsible for crime than other groups. Can you believe that? sounds almost like Donald Trump and his supporters. Xenophobia has become a worldwide phenomenon. Prior to 1994, immigrants from elsewhere faced discrimination and even violence in South Africa. After the election of Black majority government in 1994, contrary to expectations, the incidence of xenophobia has increased. Xenophobia is not anything unique to white countries like US and Europe
citicrab (Moscow, Russia)
@Padman What if both those attitudes reflect reality? Whether or not immigration places an economic burden on the host is a matter of research and statistics, not faux indignation. The issue of crime is even more straightforward: the crime data either confirms or refutes the poll's results. Attitudes based on hard facts are not xenophobia.
Middleman MD (New York, NY)
This tension and conflict between South Africans and the migrants who enter South Africa from poorer countries like Zimbabwe has been going on now for several years, and has received precious little attention from the press. A similar situation exists in both Brazil and Colombia, two countries that have absorbed many thousands of Venezuelans fleeing poverty, food insecurity and a collapsing and oppressive government. While it's convenient to blame all of this anti-migrant sentiment on xenophobia, it's also largely wrong, particularly in the case of Colombia and Venezuela, two countries which share a border, a common language, and for the most part a common ethnicity and culture, so much so that one could say that Venezuela and Colombia are more alike than are California and Arizona are to each other. Economic factors, including competition for jobs as well as the specter of greater stress on the social resource net (schools, jails, hospitals, shared public spaces) are the primary driving force behind the reaction to large scale illegal immigration. The political center and left ignore this at their own peril. As David Frum has warned, if reasonable politicians don't take this problem seriously, voters will turn to unreasonable leaders to do the job.
Yer Mom (everywhere)
@Middleman MD Yes, a large part of the solution is birth control.
Cleo (Portland)
@Middleman MD Economic issues, high violence rates, poor education, etc can all cause and contribute to migratory patterns, yes, but the South African protestors are apathetic about the institutionalized problems outside of South Africa. They aren't protesting the cause of immigration so much as they are protesting the product of it. They don't care about Nigeria's violence or how contributing to a larger economy can foster economic growth. They want the foreigners out so the government can provide all its resources to its recognized citizens. It is so incredibly important to understand the causing factors of migration, but I don't think empathy for the foreigner or a global understanding of economics will make these protests stop. Maybe the friction hasn't always been racially charged, but it is now.
Phil (Brentwood)
Controlled immigration is good, healthy, and usually well received. But uncontrolled or excessive immigration inevitably leads to a backlash. The anti-immigrant violence in South Africa is unusual, but strong anti-immigrant feelings can be seen in many countries that have had a surge of immigrants. There's a lesson here for those who are calling for open borders in the U.S. and the elimination of ICE.
Lulu (Philadelphia)
What do you think is going to happen when climate change and overpopulation get even worse ?
Ma (Atl)
@Phil Thank you for your comment. Open border policies and the internal push for open borders by too many 'non-profits' will re-elect Trump. I've yet to hear a Dem candidate really propose anything to protect the borders, especially in their zeal to 'abolish ICE' as a strategy.
Herry (NY)
@Phil You can easily put Italy in that last sentence and how the "ONG" or non profit funded boats ferry illegal immigrants from Lybia. Its causing issues across the globe.
Paul (Brooklyn)
Nelson Mandela turning over in his grave just like our founding fathers turning over in their graves with Trump.
Joseph (New York)
Keep in mind that as the climate crisis worsens and land use issues arise there will be more of these riots. People will migrate across nations to reach a safe harbor. Those who are barely surviving in that safe harbor will rebel to protect what little they have. Oceans are warming, seas are rising, glaciers are melting, the planet is burning, deserts are expanding. All of this squeezes the existing populace into smaller and smaller land areas. Politicians are maintaining power not by solving problems, mitigating climate effects, creating jobs and increasing food supply but by stoking this "fear of the other" -- creating tribalism and using it to their own ends. The likes of Trump and Johnson are masters of this as were Hitler and Mussolini in the last century. There will be more riots and border wars as those who have something, even barely something, do everything they can to keep out those who have nothing.
Dominic (New York)
@Joseph while it is not incorrect to lay at least some blame for this and similar crises around the world on climate change the root cause is a century or more of exponential population increases particularly in the developing world. Unchecked population growth, aided by modern medicine and more efficient systems of food distribution have lowered infant mortality and increased life expectancy in rural communities across the global south. Even while fertility rates have declined, at last in some regions, overall population has swelled, stressing farmland, accelerating deforestation, taxing water resources and amplifying climate change through increased use of fossil fuels and clearing land with fire. Climate change has played a direct and indirect role in recent mass migrations out of Syria, West Africa, Bangladesh and Central America by oxygenating a process fueled by human population growth, child-heavy societies and shrinking opportunity.
Stanley Gomez (DC)
@Joseph: In this case the migration crisis is not due to climate change. South Africa and neighboring countries share the same general climate. This crisis is economically based.
Phil (Brentwood)
@Joseph The people burning immigrant shops and cars in South Africa could care less about climate change. They are upset because they see the immigrants as a threat to their jobs and their culture. The same is true for anti-immigrant feelings in the U.S., much of Europe, and Britain where it triggered Brexit.
Betsy S (Upstate NY)
People who think "Africans" are a homogeneous group ought to read this. Many of those African nations, created by European colonialists, are home to a variety of people who have different languages, cultures and, even, appearances. There are historical enmities. Unfortunately, ruthless people use prejudices and hate to enhance their power. We in the USA can hardly be smug about how we deal with that universal reality here.
Phil (Brentwood)
@Betsy S Africa has deep tribal roots. Members of one tribe are viewed with suspicion by other tribes. This type of prejudice has been deeply ingrained in humans over millenia. If one tribe is white and the other is back, we call it "racism." If the tribes comes from different countries, we call it xenophobia. Those relatively moden labels are just descriptions of tribal preference.
Jordan (Lagos, Nigeria)
@Phil Very well said. Bravo.
Ma (Atl)
@Betsy S I suggest you try living in Africa and then tell me how bad we in the US are.
Lily (Brooklyn)
The issue of human migration will only intensify as global warming makes areas uninhabitable. And, from Brexit to mainland European elections, to our own national dialogue, it is obvious that there are so many of us on the planet, that competition for scarce resources will lead to mass unrest, and perhaps wars. Had we kept the conversation of the 1970s about population control going, perhaps we would not have gotten here. How could something so obvious and basic, such as smaller families, have become taboo to talk about? If “political correctness” stalled those talks, then we can blame “political correctness” for a percentage of global warming and the coming civil unrest. These scenarios were what our First Amendment was for. In an open market place of ideas, where there is no self-censuring, we could have continued the robust debate and perhaps kept numbers lower. The sad truth is that humans fare better when we have lower population numbers. After every mass plague, Europe’s economy saw a big boost, throughout the Middle Ages. We should have thought more deeply before we shamed China out of their one or two child policy. The future looks distopian, and it’s our own darn fault (and a special “thanks a lot” to the institutionalized religions for wanting greater number of tithing followers, rather than think about the benefits of lower populations, from fewer plastic bottles, to more available housing, smaller schoolroom numbers, to global warming).
Joseph (New York)
@Lily What you say of the 1970s was true -- in the 1970s. I remember the push for smaller families. But, Thomas Malthus was wrong. Population growth is diminishing. The population growth rate in China is around 1.5, which is slightly lower than that of the US which is 1.8. Growth rates of 1.5 or less appear across the European continent and, since 1965, the population growth rate of the entire world has been cut in half. Most of the nations in the world have a growth rate less that the replacement rate. Japan is suffering from an even lower growth rate of 1.5 and is struggling to maintain its economy. We might look toward the future when there will be fewer people in the world. But, that means lower economic activity, weakened investments, business losses and everything that comes from a loss of consumers. So, yes the world is facing a dystopian future in which there will not be enough resources to support even a reduced population. But, the reason for that is not population growth but resource destruction.
Skippy (Boston)
@Joseph There's not a population issue in any of those countries you mentioned. It's in Africa, Central America, the Indian subcontinent where the problem is out-of-control. And, yes, where political correctedness prevents us from discussing it. Our children, grandchildren--indeed, the entire planet--will pay the price.
mdef (nyc)
@Joseph ive read that the worlds population will not decrease but rather increase somewhat more to about 10-12 billion and then plateau(remain stable,in equilibrium) at that number