Should Gifted and Talented Education Be Eliminated?

Sep 05, 2019 · 92 comments
Daniel G. (Cayman Islands)
Gifted and talented programs should be maintained. To identify gifted students, there should be constant examination, probably a yearly test to check if you are capable enough academically to go into these gifted programs, instead of a single test done at the age of four. With these gifted and talented tests happening constantly, these programs would always be open, and fair to everyone.
Evan Thomas (Valley Stream North High School)
While I don't believe that gifted and talented programs should be removed, I think they should be heavily reformed in New York City. It's unfair that a test one takes a four years old determines whether they go to a "gifted" school or not and isn't indicative of whether or not a child is a "good" student. If New York City schools were to keep the Gifted and Talented programs, it should be evaluated when the child is older and would be based not just on how well the child did on the test but also how much effort their teachers believe they are putting in on their work and in the classroom. They should also have programs that cater to specific talents and strengths, to help students reach their full potential based on what they are good at, including programs for English, math, music, science, etc.
Gilana E. (Valley Stream North High School)
As someone who participated in gifted and talented programs since elementary school, I can say that the programs have definitely caused a divide between people of the same class. To some degree I do believe that gifted and talented programs should be eliminated, since inherently in the name it tells students that were not considered that they are not 'special' or 'gifted'. This can cause self-esteem issues among these students and even resentment against their peers that were considered gifted or talented. These can be especially damaging since everyone just acknowledges these programs as weeding out who's smart and who isn't. This leads to the fundamental problem with these programs, which is the fact that those who aren't chosen are left feeling as though they aren't smart enough. Meanwhile, those who are admitted to these gifted and talented programs may feel like they don't have to try as hard in order to succeed in their academic careers, ultimately leaving them unprepared for the future, when school gets more difficult and they must suddenly put in more effort. While this is so, I should also mention that while participating in gifted and talented programs, I felt like my brain was being more stimulated. Especially in elementary school, while in a setting of people with mixed academic levels, it was easy to feel bored with the curriculum. To some degree it is beneficial for individual students to have their minds challenged. This does not change the flaws to do with GT.
Brianna Shrestha (Sugar Land, Texas)
Former gifted student here. GT programs are inherently flawed, but are but a result of the lack of quality in a standard education. Most kids who are identified as GT are actually just neurodivergent, and the GT classification hinders earlier diagnosis, if any at all, from happening, because every symptom you have is just called "being gifted." People insist on how their kid, in fact, doesn't have ADHD/Autism (the usual diagnosis), and is GT instead, which doesn't even have much empirical evidence on what it even is- practically ableism. Gt programs don't even help students, they just make their life worse with massive workload and internalized perfectionism- all my former GT peers are now mentally ill, mainly from its toxic environment. On the outside, though, GT programs are just used by parents as a means to get their kid out of the trashy school they're zoned to, which is fine at first, until you realize that most GT exams are just IQ tests, and that IQ tests mostly test on things you receive from a formal education and has been stated by countless people to not even be a measure of actual "intelligence." So with a formal education being what you really need, the most disadvantaged people are the ones getting stuck most at their initial bad school- AKA Black and Hispanic people, thus furthering segregation. Thing is, people wouldn't need GT programs if their normal schools were actually decent. Thus, stop having GT programs, and improve normal schools. Everyone wins.
Gilana E. (Valley Stream North High School)
@Brianna Shrestha I agree that the examination processes used for GT admittance are flawed, as they box people in to a specific type of academic knowledge. They don't effectively measure everyone's intelligence level, as people's smarts will show up in various different ways.
Campbell Crabb (Iowa)
I think the gifted system is unfair and should still exist but with some different guidelines for letting people in and out. As a student I was always very academically smart but I never was put in one of these programs and regular level classes. I was never challenged in elementary and middle school. It is super unfair the way they do things. Judging if a kid should be in the program by on one test doesn’t fully reflect their academic worth. I think they should judge people by their grades, teacher recommendations and some tests. I am friends with a lot of TAG students and I feel left out. The school system hurt me and broke my heart.
Nutasfa Mulin (Pickerington OH)
No matter what anyone else says, there isn’t a valid reason to get rid of gifted classes. This is kinda outrageous to me. I am so so involved with blm, acab, and defund the police but this is far fetched, no? Because smart or “gifted” has nothing to do with race or color, and the fact that this school used as an example has mostly only white and Asians is probably just a coincidence. Because, every school I know around me has a diverse gifted program (as I’m in the gifted program, and so are many of my friends from neighboring schools). Now, whether or not the schools, all staff members, and all students in these schools practice anti-racist and equal ideas, is a different story. So while I think this is very far fetched, and that this idea needs to be shut down, I am in no way saying that our schools are perfectly diverse and anti-racist/ pro-equality; but the gifted classes has nothing to do with that idea.
sophia (atlanta, GA)
@Nutasfa Mulin it may be hard to see, but "talented and gifted" programs can often be discriminatory toward low income families and therefore racial discrimination as well. for example, the test i took to get into TAG was given to me in kindergarten. i was privileged enough to be able to attend preschool, however, numerous low income families in my town were unable to send their children to preschool as it was a service that was not required or covered by tax money. this unfortunately included a POC majority that were unable to send their kids to school at a very young age, and the test was therefore not really evaluating actual intellect - it was prior knowledge and information likely only available to those who had previous educational opportunities. this basis of testing not only targets poorer student by classist ideals, but also involves racism as well due to systemic racism and its impacts on poverty in America. considering this, think about how one test that children took BEFORE even having a elementary school education was used as an indicator of intelligence and ability and shaped the future education of students either in the program or not, with some of them receiving a better and more hands-on method of learning and others with basic and boring methods. it isnt fair. and it doesnt make sense for students to be tested before even receiving an education from my elementary school; it was entirely based on prior knowledge from an assumed past academic opportunity.
D (greenville)
As a member of gifted and talented I think that we should keep it but I don't think you should be testing a 4 year old. I didn't get in to Gifted and talented till 7th grade. Through out elementary I was in normal classes, (Except my science and math was in Spanish) and in those classes when I had to work with other people I didn't want to because they couldn't keep so I had to slow down for them. Also at my middle school there different types of GT kids. Since my school is about science and technology there are GT's for technology and science, GT's for math and art though they weren't called GT and the one I'm in GT English. My school tries and caters to its students abilities. So as someone who didn't get in as early as everyone else you need to wait and see if the child is ready for those classes because I sure wasn't when i was younger but I was slowed so I started to work harder so get to those classes and now I'm in GT English and beta club. I also got into beta club later than every one else. What I'm saying is you have to let the child want to be in those advanced classes and have them understand they have to work for what they want or what they need and a 4 year old is not going to know that.
Evan Thomas (Valley Stream North High School)
@D I agree with you that Gifted and Talented programs should be kept and that four year olds shouldn't be tested to determine whether they are allowed in the gifted programs or not. I like the way that your school handles the gifted programs: having different programs for different subjects allows students to be able to learn more in the subjects that they excel in. The fact that one can enter a GT program later on is also a good addition, encouraging students to work hard so they can have an opportunity to join those programs.
Mohammad Khan (Glenbard West HS, Glen Ellyn IL)
I personally feel that gifted/talented education should not be eliminated since it allows these gifted students to actually challenge themselves in school. By eliminating these programs these students are forced to stay in classes that are too easy for them causing them to essentially just waste time by going to class. It would be hindering to gifted students to be held back due to their advanced abilities in class. But I also think that these classes shouldn’t be labeled as “gifted” or “talented due to the negative connotations this has related to the students in the normal classes. All students should be upheld to equal standards and if gifted students aren’t being challenged during their regular classes then they should be placed in classes where they are provided that challenge.
Guadalupe Patino (Glenbard West HS Glen Ellyn, IL)
I don't think that gifted and talented programs should be eliminated because the students put into these programs would not be able to grow academically as quickly as they could while in these programs but, I do think that these programs have impacted certain students in negative ways. I have heard many students who were considered gifted say that they were never taught effective study methods because they were 'naturally smart' and are extremely burnt out because they have been expected to take high-level classes that they don't necessarily enjoy. Placing the 'gifted' title on a child can make them believe they have to maintain it throughout their entire education, leading them to focus on their studies more than regular kid things. A straight-A gifted student is not as likely to hangout with friends as often as a regular student. I think that schools should keep these programs but should not label these students as gifted for the sake of their mental health and to not make the students in regular classes feel like they were too dumb to be in the program. These programs are to accommodate for a student's needs, not to hold them up on a pedestal.
Alexander (Eugene Oregon)
I do not believe that "Gifted and Talented Programs" should be eliminated. If you get rid of these groups, then many kids that wanted to learn more will be denied the option. And if we deny someone's ability to learn, then we are denying a person's ability to progress. I myself am a 7th grader doing 8th grade math in a "Gifted and Talented" math program. But we don't call it that. We just call it "The Back Room Group." It's a group of kids from my class who have shown that we can take in the knowledge, we accept it, and want to learn it. Many of the kids in my class that aren't in the group could easily learn what "The Back Room Group" is learning, but they don't want to take the time, or effort to even try. Or maybe if they were given the chance, but until they catch up on their work, they won't be given this chance. Who does, and doesn't get into these programs shouldn't be determined by race, or skin color. It shouldn't even be decided by how smart you are, but by how much you want your future to accelerate, and how fast you want it to become your reality. People who want to be in these groups should only have to ask to be put in, and not have to prove themselves. If they begin to fail, then that's okay, you can ask them if they want to leave the group. Accelerated tests should also be optional to everyone. If you want an accelerated test, no problem, you got it. Sadly, that's not the reality. Thank you, Alexander.
Reeva Lalani (Tennessee)
@Alexander ugh yes yes yes. i am also this same type of program and i agree with your thoughts. spot on.
Anneka J (KC, MO)
I believe that gifted and talented programs should not be eliminated. When these programs are eliminated, students who are gifted and therefore need an academic experience that benefits their social-emotional and intellectual needs. I do not know what way we should select students for gifted programs, as research shows that standardized testing may favor the wealthy due to the higher level of education and experiences a child may have had before schooling. However, in this example of a single test at four years old, if we are to continue using standardized tests, research has shown that it is extremely difficult to tell a child's intellectual capability using an IQ test before the age of 6. I was a part of my school's gifted program, not an entirely separate school- however, I do think it was beneficial to my social-emotional health. I was able to develop the critical thinking skills that placed me ahead of my age mates, and I was able to find students with similar thought processes as myself. (Questions 1-4)
Anneka J (KC, MO)
Part 2 because my first comment got too long. If you're going to ask 7 questions about I topic I am knowledgeable about, you'd better expect long answers. Research has shown that there are aspects of gifted individuals that set them apart from typical students, such as ability to solve difficult problems, see connections, relationships, and multiple perspectives, detailed and extensive memory, heightened emotional sensitivity, and general intellectual ability (which does not necessarily mean academic achievement), all from a young age. I believe that gifted children should be placed in separate classes for a period of time, just not 100% of the time (for example, my gifted program placed me in a separate class once a week). This is because research into differentiation has shown that academically gifted students benefit from a heterogeneous setting, but it does not make sense for gifted children to leave their intellectual and emotional skills undeveloped. I go to one of the most diverse schools in my state, so I do not think segregation is much of a problem. However, studies have shown that racial profiling (intentional or not) is an issue in identifying gifted students- teachers need to be trained to identify gifted students and in culturally responsible teaching. No, I would not recommend eliminating gifted programs. It would leave behind all gifted students instead of just those of color and low socioeconomic status.
Sungida-LB (YC CLIP)
I do not agree about that we should take test the student at age of 4 for gifted program. How we can measure their ability by taken a single test? It is not fair for at this stage of child .we can change the method to involve children in this program. They are not feeling that they are being discriminated by test score. This program also make Question on other student ability. Guardian also puts pressure on this kid to be eligible in this program. Every Child talents blown up in different age. We cannot define it by any particular time or particular test. It not only concern about exam it also concern that most of the student are white and Asian. Gifted talented run schools also become just for white and Asian. Automatically it promote segregation between students who do not qualify into this program. We should not eliminate the program, we should find the best way to choose gifted talented child.
Jordyn (Sarasota FL)
I believe gifted and talented programs should not be eliminated because advanced students should not be slowed down for the sake of their classmates. As a gifted person myself, I appreciate being ahead and being able to comprehend criteria faster than my classmates because I would be able to help others. It’s definitely not an opportunity to exclude people, it’s a learning opportunity for those who step up to the plate and begin to challenge themselves. If those people who may “feel excluded” it’s their job to work harder and push themselves to get up to the advanced level.
Judy Saafein (Mountain House, CA)
I believe gifted and talented programs undermine the individual success of a child. By claiming some children are better than others, it makes those not chosen feel worthless. Sure, some kids grasp concepts faster than others, but there must be a better way to help those that are gifted and those who are not. Perhaps apply the high school system, and let the kids pick classes to their liking. If an average student wants to do an honors class, let them. Anyone can become smart if they try enough. For example, Thomas Edison, inventor of the light bulb, was called stupid and was forced to drop out of school. By restricting kids who are considered “dumb” of “average”, the world just might lack another Thomas Edison.
Ian Condon (Hoggard High School)
There is no need for education programs for gifted and talented students to be eliminated. It is not a matter of segregation, however that of whether the students who are “gifted” have to be “dragged down” by others. If you have the ability to be in gifted classes or programs, then go for it; it doesn’t matter what your ethnicity, race, or social class is. If anything, eliminating gifted programs for children will be more of a detriment than a benefit. If people who have the mental ability to take higher-level classes are now forced to take lower-level classes, this will slow down their learning process. The speed at which a lower-level class is usually based on the level of learning of the lowest-level student in the class, which can end up being a detriment to the other students. I am part of a gifted program and was in an “on-level” program when I was younger. I was so bored with how slow the class and my classmates were progressing that I unconsciously started to disrupt the class which ended up getting me in trouble a lot. When I started going to a gifted middle-school, I stopped getting into trouble and started focusing on my schoolwork. And this change happened in just three years. Gifted programs invest in students to find the way they learn and work with them to make them a better student in the long run, just like they did and are still doing for me. If there is no program to invest in a students joy for learning and expand on it, the students will all (cont.)
Kamar Pearson (Bryant High School)
After reading the article, I think schools should keep their gifted and talented programs. The programs actually helps more students with potential to be more capable than others. Although there is a racial difference for children in the program, schools still shouldn't stop the chance for early child growth. Everyone is gifted in their own way, but those who have talent towards studies should be kept in programs made to enhance their early abilities. As a student who's been allowed to join the gifted and talented program, I've seen and been a part of the academic growth of learning under a program made for academics. I wouldn't suggest keeping the program the way it is, obviously schools shouldn't have a racial majority of students in the programs, and also giving a test to a four year old to determine how they should be placed in schools. Instead I propose for those in charge to take a look at what has been built and how to change it for the better.
Joe Keller (Hoggard High School)
Gifted and Talented Education programs are options that should exist for any student gifted enough to acquire them, despite how archaic their problems can be. As a kid who has been in said programs for 7 years, it has helped me grow my character and my drive to learn more than if I was just sitting in a classroom learning concepts I already know and stunting my developmental growth with other like-minded people. The drive it gave me to learn cannot have enough precedence, before I was bored out of my mind until I could join these programs, and when I joined I was with classes with individuals way smarter than me, which gave me motivation to improve, unlike groveling in class. To deny a child a right to a higher education is as petty as taking candy from a baby and then eating it in front of it’s little beady eyes. That being said, testing a four year old on whether or not he can apply to higher education has so many holes in it, I can’t believe it hasn’t collapsed under its own weight. Even with that said, the benefits of gifted programs far outweigh the cons. As the article states, one of the main arguments against gifted programs is that it ‘segregates’ children from learning together, despite the fact that these programs group together like-minded people and form a sense of camaraderie. The fact that some children feel left out should never be a key factor for abolishing a system that rewards students for doing their best. I mean if everyone is special, then no one is.
Lizbeth Bolanos (Hoggard High School in Wilmington, NC)
I feel as if that if we were to terminate the gifted and talented programs, there wouldn’t be that much of a difference because either way students who are more well prepared for school (or for those students who just got the concepts more easily) will get more opportunities regardless. Although my main problem with this is really just the fact that they are testing four year olds to be placed in an academically talented section. I’m not one to say that I know when kids should be tested for these kinds of things but I feel as if 4 is too early. I feel that we should just treat all the kids the same way as the “gifted”, that way there is a much greater inspiration to learn as well as motivation. The kids of today will be our future and not all kids will be able to get into certain programs such as gifted ones, so you might as well teach all of them so all of them are well informed children. Of course there will be money costs to this but so will there be for any other program. I feel that any parent, if given the chance would definitely help if it means a better education system for their children. Rather than eliminate the gifted programs, why don’t we just integrate them into our normal school classrooms?
Ian Condon (Hoggard High School)
(Part 2) become bored and end up disrupting class, which, especially once you get to high school, can become extremely detrimental. The student’s peers, whether gifted or not, can become distracted from their own work along with the problem student. This can make grades plummet which can lead to long term effects such as students not being able to get jobs or get into the college they want to get into. The school system is not about fairness, but is for indulging in a student’s will to learn in order to, essentially, make them a better person in the long run at that student’s pace. And that student’s pace varies. The major reason why gifted programs were made common was because of the pace issue. It has never been about race or separating students based on it. If a student has the will to learn, no matter their race, sex, or socioecomonic position they should be able to, and I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. It ends up being a matter of whether you actually want to learn and what your pace is, and that is displayed differently in every student. Now the situation in New York is a different story. I believe that this particular system needs reform. Humans know that there is no way to categorize and put a label on a child and predict whether that will come true. A lot of students don’t even know what they want to do all the way up to college. The New York school system is classifying a student as gifted or not, based off of a test that the student takes when (cont.)
Ian Condon (Hoggard High School)
(Part 3) are four years old. Psychology Today suggests to wait until you see the impact of school on your child. It also mentions to test for giftedness from ages five to eight, with most psychologists suggestions leaning to the latter. You have to test your student in the learning environment before placing them in a gifted program. A majority of these programs don’t have a lot of only “smart” people, but a lot of people who are willing to learn.
Gavin Miller (Bryant, Arkansas)
Although the testing of four-year-olds to determine gifted ability and educational needs is obviously the result of a flawed system, gifted and talented programs are needed in education. As a student who has attended public school for eleven years, I believe that the termination of gifted and talented education would be detrimental for high-achieving students. In the third grade, I was tested for my elementary school’s gifted and talented program. I passed the test, and started to go to a GT class a couple of times per week with other gifted students. In this class, I mastered elementary curriculum, prepared for middle school concepts, and intellectually grew with other students that desired to learn. In most public school systems, there are students with little to no motivation to learn, and a gifted and talented program provides academically motivated students with the opportunity to further their intellect and grow with like-minded peers. The lack of a gifted program in school could hinder the intellectual development of advanced students. Furthermore, a gifted and talented program does not imply that advanced students must be separated from on-level students; gifted and talented education only ensures that students with higher academic ability receive the attention and material they need to live up to their full academic potential.
Brodie H (Bryant High School, Arkansas)
Being the product of the gifted and talented program, I am aware of the great benefits it adds to a child academic career. However, I strongly disagree with the New York school district's method of conducting their program. Children aged 4 should not have to test whether or not they can find patterns or solve equations. To think that how a student can perform when they are that young should dictate the rest of their academic career is preposterous. There will always be higher-ability students and we need to nurture their growth, all while not denying the growth of the students who were so unfortunate as to take an exam as a preschooler. My time in the gifted and talented program has brought tremendous growth in my life; hard work, grit, and critical thinking are all products. In an ethnically diverse city such as New York, it is hard to justify the racial barrier in the gifted and talented program. Possibly it is justified through racism, or maybe it is just an outlier. I do believe that if the exam and means of getting into the program are eased and more gifted and talented programs are offered, the race issue would fix itself. If I had the chance to speak with Mayor de Blasio, I would ask him to not rid the school district of the "GT" program, for the growth and development of students is extremely important. I would also suggest that if he was to change anything, the exam would need to be.
Nora Perley (Philadelphia, PA)
As a figure in a public school district, I personally believe that mentally gifted programs should not be terminated from our school systems. Although to many, it may seem unfair that some students are receiving "special treatment" from their peers and their teachers, the program that they receive is a way to individualize public education. Most to all of the time we as students spend our 7-8 hours in a classroom, all being taught the same way. The gifted program allows students to be challenged, and embrace their full potential. If New York was to eliminate the gifted program, they would be deriving students of the opportunity to be challenged and learn/utilize the service that they need to be the best student and person that they can be. Taking away the gifted program for the reason of wanting all students to be equal would sort of be like taking away a special help program for needy students. It may make all students equal, but it prevents some students from receiving what they need to strive. If we continue to treat students like robots, in factory rows, all programmed the exact same way, we strip them of an opportunity to boost them up to the next level of success in life.
H (WA)
As a student, I think that gifted and talented programs should be eliminated. While I do believe that some students need extra challenges in the classroom, I don't think that separating them from their peers is the right way to do it. I tested into the gifted and talented program (referred to as HCC, or "highly capable cohort") in my school district but decided not to go to an HCC school. Friends who have decided to go to HCC schools confirm my suspicions: that they aren't learning much more than I am at my normal school. The classmates I know who tested into (and go to) HCC schools are primarily white, male. They tend to think that going to an HCC school gives them more entitlement to some things than others. Why does a test (which they say they mostly guessed about things on) that they took as 4-year-olds determine which schools they will go to/be accepted into as adults?
Jeffrey Estevez (Providence RI)
The elimination of gifted and talented education should not happen. Sure, I have never attended any of these programs, but it doesn't mean that I don't have a say in this large manner. The benefit of a gifted and talented program is very large; students should seek benefits like those in order to achieve distant goals that are kept behind their pillows- dreams that are unthinkable to the mind of a child yet so close in terms of will and drive. It should not be a matter of segregation- more so a matter of if the child has the will or drive to achieve a "total goal". It should not be a matter of if children are considered "gifted" either; it is only a title that grants access to something. If the children are granted these high-rank "titles", then good for them. They earned it through their ultimate drive and will. Schools should be grouped according to ability or achievement. It's historically been that way since the early to mid 1900's, and should stay that way in order to pave the way for newcomers bringing potential to the world that is Earth. To remove such a grouping would destroy the high chances of a child gaining the brightest ideas, only through the brightest educators. Racial segregation is not a problem at my school, Classical High School, but the same can't be said for the whole system of schools- although it is usually not known to others, so the matter is trivial. Talent plays no role in that. If I were an adviser to the Mayor, I'd tell him to listen to me.
Jane Morrow (Elmsford NY)
As long as any test exists where individuals may gain prime placing with top marks, those who plan to jump the hoops of the test --be it in the form of family engagement, historical favors, community engagement, self engagement will have high representation in those prime places. The solution is elimination of testing as criteria for prime placing.
Skye Williams (Sarasota, Florida)
I do not believe that Gifted and Talented education should be eliminated because students should have the opportunity to be challenged. As a Gifted and Talented student being in general education classes was very simple for me and I felt that i was not learning as much as i needed to. Once I got in to Gifted and Talented education I had to work a lot harder but it was also beneficial because I learned a lot more than I did in General education.
Kerryan-LB (YC-CLIP)
The education is important to everyone because we can improve our skills. I don’t agree with eliminate the talent program because everybody need to express themselves because all the person have a talent. Each person are intelligent. One way to now if the children are gifted is when they is good for school or they show the talents that they have. Is good to them have a friends to share and helps each other’s.
Nathalie-LB (YC-CLIP)
I think that Gifted and Talented Education should be eliminated. Every kid should be treated equal. They should not separate children by level of wisdom because the other kids are going to feel that they does not have the capacity and/or intelligence to be on this program. When they grow up are going to think they are not enough. You cannot determined the intelligence of a person with only 4 years old because while you are growing you gain more knowledge.
Sam (New York)
Maybe sports should follow this model as well. Talented athletes should play on the same teams as the slow and uncoordinated. Sure it may hinder the potential of athletes if the standards of practices and games were lowered to ensure anyone who desires could participate, but hey equality is more important, right?!
July - LB (YC CLIP)
Should Gifted and Talented Education Be Eliminated? In my opinion, many students with special talents should be reward with monetary help. What they should do is, analyze what kind of students are applying to access at this program. That filters should be according with the possibilities that the have. For example in case that this program was removed, no every schools could reward their students, because sometimes do not count on with enough money. In addition, those students should be recognize. The other hang I think that the test is not the correct way to identify gifted students; this is because every school has different methods to teach them, even sometimes it is related to assigned budget, and every student would have different aptitudes. Instead, they should identify those competences in how every student act in some situation, or how with simples tools they could give a solution. That is because every student has a different talent and according with their ages how can develop some activities.
Nicolle-LB (YC- CLIP)
I believe that gifted and talented program should be eliminated. All students should have the opportunity to learn together and do not continue with the segregation between the most and least intelligent. I think the gifted and talent programs should be abolished and created a new and different programs where they can help both sides at the same time, also they can interact together to learn a lot of different things, this also can be a very good option to mooted equity. In my opinion I think it is unfair that some children’s grow up thinking that they are not intelligent because they can be able to be accepted in this types of programs. We are all able to learn and be at the same level of knowledge as another person.
Crab Northwest (Germantown)
Lots of people learn in different ways, and the public school system is only tailored to a few of those ways. The small amount of people who learn in these ways that the school system tailors to, are the people that are in the “gifted and talented” programs. I don’t think these programs should be eliminated, I think more should be made for people who learn in other ways that schools do not teach in. They can be put into groups that encourage them to learn and actually get them to learn the things they want to learn about. Schools could start relating student’s passions and interests to normal classes, and generally make people not in these programs actually feel smart, because everyone is, they just are better at certain things than others.
Hannah Floorfies (Germantown)
Gifted and Talented Education should not be eliminated. Every student deserves to be challenged in School. It might seem unfair to the people who don't get in but it's not too desegregate student but to give all students an opportunity to learn at there full potential. It may seems like its to make certain students feel smarter than others but in reality some student need to go on a faster pace. The gifted and talented education should only be about the students actual abilities and not pressure from parents and other members of society. Everybody isn't the same which means that every student isn't the same. Gifted and Talented education gives certain students a chance to push themselves to their full potential which they deserve.
Emerson Floorfies (Germantown, MD)
As a student currently in a special program, I recognize the importance of these special programs. No one should be denied an opportunity at these programs based on the premise of equality. If someone does not deserve the right to get into one of these programs because they didn't work hard enough, they should not cry equality and then get these programs taken away from kids who deserve them. Equality should only go so far, there should be fair opportunities for all kids, and these programs allow people to properly express themselves. Everyone deserves a fair education and to be challenged, if removed these programs would not challenge some kids and this would cause them to not access there true academic potential. So, these programs should not be taken away to desegregate, the people who deserve these programs get in, that should be the bottom line.
Elizabeth K. (CA)
Hi, my name is Elizabeth H. I currently attend a GATE school and I believe it has been less difficult for me. In elementary, I did not have the option to go to a GATE school due to some circumstances. I always had it easy in school because I would learn a subject then have to wait days to learn something else because other people in my class had to catch up. I would get frustrated because I had to wait for everyone else. At my new school, I don't have to wait for anyone. I don't have to wait days to move onto another subject. I believe that these opportunities given to children are incredible because they can learn at their pace. I found this school so much less frustrating and so much easier for me because I learned at my pace. I knew that I needed a challenge and I found one at my GATE school. This school is also helping me advance in high school credits, which I think is extremely helpful, especially if I want to get into a good college. GATE schools help advance in many more ways than just one.
Tristan (Randolph High school)
As a student of 12 years, I can say that the gifted and talented program is an excellent way for students who excel to be challenged and allowed to shine even higher. However, I do not agree with the fact that the exam should be given at such a low age. Student of the age of 4 are typically in kindergarten; thus, it is harder for these students to grasp how important this exam is. They do not know that this exam may affect them for the rest of their school life. If they are forced to stay where they are because of one test, then all the benefits they could have received could be lost. For example, Students who typically are in more challenging programs often have a better chance at getting admitted to their dream colleges, while students who may be studios and as smart have lower chances of getting into their dream schools because one test told them they're not gifted nor talented. I also think this test makes a considerable impact on the young student's self-esteem. Imagine how heart-wrenching it is, when the parent or teacher of a particular student says, "sorry, but you'll be separated from your friends from now on." And to a young child that hurts. Even on Teenagers, when they aren't selected for an honors program, they undervalue themselves and create thoughts in their minds that tell them they aren't smart. I think the best solution would be a second chance when the students are older, so problems like racial separation and self-esteem issues among students dont appear
Tamanna LB (YC CLIP)
Gifted and talented education programs is a special kind of test for children. From this test teacher or education board can identify the student’s level. After that they can make a proper curriculum for each students. For example, the students who have great score or have high skills, teacher can easily differentiate them from regular students. Then teacher can take a particular care of students. If educational system don’t allow gifted programs it will be unfair for bright students. Because different children have different knowledge and have different capability .However, if they put all the students in same scale and take class together, it will be mashed up. Some students who are not intelligent as much as like other students. They may be feel annoying and bored. Because they don’t get what teacher want to be say.
Antonio LB (YC CLIP)
According to the article “Should Gifted and Talented Education Be Eliminated” last month Mayor Bill de Blasio was forced by an education task to eliminated all of programs which are benefit for people who has talented, also for equality and fairness. I think it is a good idea if this kind of programs be eliminated because, without this programs people can get equality especially for kinds who has four years old. If we think about kids who have four years old his/her mind its still very fresh to absorb everything what they see or they hear. This programs what are doing is putting in their mind inequality by this kind of information. We can see that everyone has talent it doesn’t matter where they came from for example; a day one of my fried invited me to see a lot of culture which the people has around the world, that was in Manhattan. So I see that a lot of people has different type of talented.
Sabiha-LB (YC CLIP)
I believe that “gifted and talented’’ program should not be eliminated. The school should addressed students on their grades which is I think is system in every school. I believe that this program will be open for the children who are eligible. It’s should be the perfect program for children who are able to achieve higher position in his/her professional life. On other hand this program is really important to find it out who are not eligible and who are eligible for gifted and talented. The children who are eligible and they are unique student who could bring lots of opportunity for themselves and also for country.
Claudinia T (Virginia)
1. I think that gifted programs should not be eliminated because they give students a way of showing what they know and what is special about them. 2. Since many students are enrolled in gifted programs, if these programs were eliminated, schools should use maybe certificates or awards to address them. 3. I think that they should be identified from their grades and how they participate at school. 4. I do not know what classes would be counted as gifted. 5. I feel that many students are gifted, but they have a hard time showing that they are. I think that they should not be chosen by a test, but how they perform in a certain way. 6. Racial segregation is not really a big problem in this school, but there are some incidents where one person may think differently about someone else. Other than that, I think that gifted programs do not play any roles with racism. 7. No, I think that we should keep them, so that students can have the opportunity to shine bright in their own way.
Emily Orsino (Florida)
In my opinion, i believe gifted and talented programs should not be eliminated. Because, if they were eliminated, then when the children who learn at a faster pace will be slowed down with their education when they have the potential for so much more. Some students just grasp certain concepts at different rates and learn in a variety of different ways.
J V (California)
I think it shouldn't be eliminated because it can show which students need more work and improvement. Also, if other students see it and more students know about the gifted/talented education format, they can work harder and aim for better goals in their life. They can be inspired by lots of kids in the gifted/talented schools, and try to succeed more. Another positive thing about gifted/talented education is, it takes hard work to get into these schools, and if kids need the gifted/talented education, they can work harder than they have before, and hopefully reach their goal, by making it into these schools. I feel gifted/talented education was made for a reason, it wasn't made for people to be mad at it, it was made so people can try harder, learn from their mistakes and even reach higher for there goals. Not only that but, kids might not come from rich families, but being rich is not what matters, what matters is the education, the learning, the experience, and the effort you put in. They shouldn't be eliminated because if there weren't any gifted/talented schools, kids would still settle for less, and they wouldn't know how to or even want a better education for themselves. It teaches kids that grades do matter, and without that kind of discipline, kids wouldn't be able to learn from any mistakes, and wouldn't even care if they got bad grades.
Mariama-LB (YC CLIP)
I think gifted and talented program should not be eliminated because is a program that improve the child education. This program is kind of challenge between the students, and help the children to be more smart and intelligent. Many parents would like their children to participate in a school gifted education program. It makes parents feel good to know that their child is considered 'gifted' and most people believe that being gifted places kids on path toward success. Being in the gifted and talented program can benefits to you however it has an effect. The advantages is that staying in a classroom with only smart kid can make you more intelligent and have courage to study more.The effect is especially amplified when placed in a classroom along with non-identified students; gifted students tend to achieve academically at higher level and, therefore, feel better when compared to non identified peers. I can also say that gifted and talented program can't help the less intelligent kids because is not going to improve their learning skill. If they put them in the same class, the smart kids can help them to progress more than if they were segregated. Intelligent kids and less intelligent kids should stay in the same class. That will help them to challenged between them and their education will grow up, they will know and treat each other as the same because they will know that they are the same students even though those are better smart than others.This program should be banned.
AV (California)
I think that they should eliminate gifted and talented because talented and gifted education doesn't make the student any smarter or challenged. this program can make kids very stressed and if they remove it then kids will be able to enjoy there childhood and not just sit in there room all stressed about work. I have been in a gifted and talented school and it is really stressful and takes a lot of time of my day away from me. It is also very hard to manage your grades
Gio (Florida)
Even though im not in any gifted classes myself (even though i have big brain) I believe that gifted programs should not be eliminated. If the student is capable enough to be in the class i think he should stay there. If a gifted student is to smart for a class why should the student be there he/she should learn new and challenging things.
Juan M. (California)
I feel like the G.A.T.E. system needs to be eliminated because there is no point in needing to group students by how smart or advanced they are. That's just not how it's supposed to be. If there should be a system where the "smarter" kids need to go to, then the least you can do is put them in more accelerated classes, and then see how they do there. If it doesn't work for them there, then just keep working with the students until there is an improvement for them at school. Also, having a 4 year old take a test at that age is like asking a kid in 6th grade to do an 8th grader's homework and paying them back with a "head start" for 8th grade. Those two just don't match. I for one, haven't been to a Gifted and Talented Education school, because I know it's pointless and there's no need to work for it. And neither will the Gifted and Talented Education system be worth working to. Edit: I haven't gone to a Gifted and Talented Education school, until I went to Computech.
dom (ohio)
@Juan M. I disagree, im in gifted programs and classes and still at a normal school and mainly receive the same curriculum currently and it is terrible because a lot of the times im ahead and have nothing to do, and can barley work with anyone who shares my intellectual capabilities and does not call me a nerd, in gifted schools you actually have people who share your intellectual capabilities.
Zoë C. (California)
I think gifted and talented programs should not be eliminated. Instead of completely eradicating the program, one could instead have certain classes at a school be for gifted and talented individuals. In this way, both the needs of more talented and less talented students can be met, while they both can be at the same school, giving schools more diversity. I am currently attending a gifted and talented program, and have been part of others before. They help to challenge a person's mind, as well as make them learn more. Children who are in a standard classroom, if they are talented, often feel trapped and bored. They do not get all the curriculum they need to grow their minds and may stop trying their best in school. This can completely ruin what the person has worked hard for. That is why we should have both gifted and less gifted students in the same school, but with different classes.
Estephani-LB (YC-CLIP)
In my opinion, gifted programs should be eliminated. The purpose of the New York City department of Education is raise the knowledge, skill, and opportunity of all the people in New York. All children have the right to receive the same education regardless of the level of education, for the reason that a low level child can be even better. The children can improve with the effort and dedication the children put. Children who already show these talents can also learn new things and improve on others. The program that is public or private do not guarantee the children will be continues as it started. As we can see a child with a low level can improve even more than a high level.
Lee G. (California)
I believe that the Gifted and Talented Education program should not be eliminated because if a student is advanced when it comes to learning, putting them in an average class can slow them down in learning. If a child is advanced in learning compared to other students, that advanced child will feel out of place because they already know what to do and want to get ahead. I am attending a Gifted and Talented Education program and I appreciate this opportunity because being in this type of program increases my learning skills and pushes me over my limit to succeed. I benefit from my time being in this program because if I was put in an average learning class, I would understand faster what we are learning and won't be pushed to my limits. To add on, I enjoy my time being here and will try my best to increase my learning capabilities and hope to learn more than what I already know.
KISSY -LB (YC CLIP)
In my personal opinion, I agree the Gifted and the Talented continue because I think the smart kids can be reaching their full potential and they can’t obtain a good result if they stay in a regular school system. If this kids dismiss the opportunity maybe in the future they don’t know was if their real vocation and we missing the new generation of this talents.
A.Y. (Fresno, California)
I think that gifted and talented programs shouldn't be eliminated because the kids in the gifted and talented program are where they need to be. If they were in regular schools then the work for them would be too easy, so that's a good reason to be enrolled in the gifted and talented program. Yes, I have attended a gifted and talented program, but I wouldn't call it gifted and talented because Computech is a GATE school, not a gifted and talented school. My experience at Computech is that yes it can be hard sometimes, but it's better to try and learn harder things than to already know what you're learning in class. If you don't know something then ask questions and if you do know something then share your answers. Yes, I think that being at Computech is both beneficial and valuable in it's own ways because the people that go to Computech are smarter than average, so they learn more things to make sure that they are where their supposed to be instead of being bored of class because you already know everything. It's also valuable because Computech isn't a public school. In order to get enrolled to Computech you have to have good test scores and good grades throughout your elementary years.
Marlene (California)
I believe gifted and talented programs should not be eliminated. Gifted and talented programs are for kids who are above a regular school standards and have a good knowledge of the subjects. If gifted and talented programs were eliminated and students in those programs had to go to regular school they would be ahead of the others which might affect the learning environment. I am a student in a gifted and talented program and it has been a very beneficial experience. Here I'm able to learn things at a level in which fits my knowledge of subjects. If I, or other gifted and talented students, were to go to a regular school we would most likely be ahead of the others and it would make the experience less knowledgeable since we already know the subject. Therefore, I believe that programs for the gifted and talented shouldn't be eliminated.
Kenneth LB (YC CLIP)
As a student who had been attending public school in NY, I think that educational task created by Mayor Bill de Blasio, it was proposed to find ways to end the system called “elimination of gifted and talented program”, although New York’s schools has mostly Black and Hispanic students, the most talented students are white and Asian people. Now, as Hispanic I do not want the “Elimination of gifted and talent program” because the system of learning would be different, the student would be offended and some of them will feel discriminated by knowledge. However if the proposal its accepted by the New York’s students, things would happen like the talented students would lose time waiting for another students, for example: if I am studying math 6 and a person who is gifted came to learn in my class; he will get boring and frustrate.
destiny hernandez (Fresno)
Gifted and Talented Education should not be eliminated because some kids do not tend to be as smart as other kids. If you know more than what you should know in 2nd grade, for example, a 2nd grader knowing how to do 9th grade and above math, they are gifted. They should be put into a gifted school because then they will learn what they should know there. Gifted kids can be in any grade, so if they get bumped into a higher grade, for example, 11th and they are barely 10, age wouldn't matter because they are smart. Gifted schools should be required because if the kid is so smart, other kids might get jealous and would pick on them. Being able to be born with a gift is amazing. You wouldn't want to hide it and keep learning stuff you already know. You would want to be in a more educated environment, not with old stuff that is easy peasy but more challenging stuff that you kinda know, but its what you have to learn in the place you are most gifted in.
carlos-LB (YC CLIP)
I think the gifted and talented is too necessary in New York City, because their children need more education in all schools in New York City the schools need to have more people Hispanic because the teenager they need the opportunity to learn in the schools of the New York City. The students sometimes need to come to school I long time, because the City gifted classes are made up of about three quarters.
Daliza LB (YC Clip)
Everyone deserves to have a good life and to pursue their dreams. However, if they choose to do unfair acts, I believe they shouldn’t do so because it would be unfair to others. There is much racism in the world which results in prejudice between people. It often occurs in people who are prideful and often has negative consequence for others. A person or a group of people that think that they are better than others because they have a special ability or are from a “superior race” are not good humans. So, if this type of program is a method to find some kind of talents or gifts in children, I think this can help them develop their skills to a high level. Everyone has a different talent and some people develop their gifts more than others. It is good to find a place that helps people be better, but if it is a form of inequality I think there needs to be changes in thinking so that there is no prejudice between people. All people have the right to be integrate with others according to their capacity and talent.
Bobby (San Jose, CA)
I'm 23 years old, and my first experience with the label "gifted" was in my first grade class, where my teacher let me pursue independent study projects in the corner of the classroom on a computer. There was discussion about skipping me ahead a grade; my parents ultimately declined because they wanted me to learn social-emotional skills with kids the same age as me. I was marked as one of the "nerdy" kids throughout primary school. I was bullied often, and I frequently felt misunderstood and isolated. Then, I took a test and qualified to be a part of one of those "gifted and talented" programs organized by a nearby university. I went to their summer programs for years, and they had a significant positive impact on my mental health and well-being, and gave me some lifelong friendships. In hindsight, I notice that the number of non-Asian students of color that were also called "gifted was" disproportionately low. I also received better resources and smaller class sizes in school - but shouldn't other students who were struggling with their academics have received those resources instead? Why was I, a student with an "advantage", receiving even more advantages? The students who experienced the first big wave of "gifted and talented" programs are now twenty-somethings, and they self-report major problems with perfectionism, anxiety, and motivation, and being in the "gifted" program at school is often cited as a reason for these mental health challenges. Reach out to them!
Tyrese Boyd (Booker High School)
What I think is that they should keep these programs so that students with higher intelligence could go further then the ordinary level students and if they’re in the same class then the students who already know would get bored of the class.
Jessie (Sarasota,FL)
I feel like the gifted and talented program should not be eliminated. The program gives children who are above average the chance to be able to get ahead and excel. Without these programs the kids would not be reaching there full potential. These exceptional children will feel bored which may cause there to be a decline in their grades. In our school system everything depends on grades. So all these children who are talented and gifted would be failing when actually these children could be going to I.V.Y League colleges. Without the program how would colleges really measure the students worth.
Julia Grandpre (Sarasota Fl)
Gifted and talented programs should not be eliminated, while the rules and regulations may be strict, some students do deserve to be in higher-level classes. The program itself gives students an opportunity to excel faster than your regular classroom. It would be unfair to take this program away because then the students who really do work harder above the rest, or are more advanced educationally, don't get the challenge they need. As for being tested at age 4, it seems pretty harsh, so maybe a more effective tactic would be to test children every few years, that way, their test results from age 4 don't affect students for the rest of their academic career. I was in the gifted and talented program and while it had definitely been more challenging, I feel like a was put in the right place. Being in the Pre-AICE program, VPA program, and two years ahead in an honors math class in high school, I don't know if I would have been able to get where I am now if I hadn't been a gifted student. I think that the people who work hard, enjoy challenges, and strive for good grades deserve to be in the gifted program, no matter sex or ethnicity. If you have someone who is smart but not a hard worker, they shouldn't have to be in the gifted program, and at some age, students should have the right to choose what they think would be best suited for them. My school is very diverse and is rich in artistic and academic opportunity and students generally get to choose what they want to pursue.
Lilu Trueschel (Sarasota,FL)
I do not think that gifted and talented programs should be eliminated. I believe this because if a child is smart enough or talented enough to have this oprotunity then they should e allowed to have it. However, I don't think that testing children at the age of four is a good way to find out if they are gifted or talented. I think that children should have a year or two in school and teachers can monitor how they are doing in school, if they are showing signs of being gifted or talented then they should be tested. I think that having these gifted and talented programs are important because it allows students to learn at a faster pace than other students who may not be able to learn as quickly. Every student should have the opportunity to join one of these programs at any age.
Roxy (Florida)
I believe gifted and talented classes should not be taken away. My reasoning is, if you are advanced you don't necessarily want to be in a class with people who learn a bit slower or need clarification on everything. But, I think that is totally fine if you need that. It just might be holding the more advance students back and is a better idea to have the gifted and talented classes too.
Peter Stover (Hanover, NH)
As a student that is currently enrolled in a the equivalent of a gifted and talented program, and has been in a district without one, I have seen the need for these programs first-hand. Depriving talented students of the ability to reach their full potential is simply inexcusable. U.S schools provide additional educational resources to help students that are below average achieve sucess, so why shouldn't they do the same for above average students. The way to solve the racial diversity problem facing the NYC schools is to develop a widespread culture of valuing education, and provide more educational resources to communities that require them. While the diversity problem must be solved, it cannot be at the expense of NYC's talented children.
Jane Morrow (Elmsford NY)
"widespread culture of valuing education, and provide more educational resources to communities that require them." ; yes, more assistance should be given to these communities in rearing their children, for whatever reason value for education is not able to be advised and sustained.
Avi Oza (Montgomery, New Jersey)
I believe that gifted and talented programs should remain in schools. I believe this because if different people need different levels of learning, they should get them. If someone already knows something that they are being taught, then they can be disruptive in class. A single test for a four year old is very unfair. Some four year olds are more attentive than others, and you learn much more as you grow. I think that the gifted and talented programs should be based on your grading from the previous year. For example, in fifth grade, if your overall grade is in the 90th percentile of your school, you make it into the gifted and talented program for the following year. This way, each student has a chance to get into gifted and talented program, every year. This ensures that if a student learns slow one year, but suddenly learns a lot the next year, they can become part of the gifted and talented program. This way, every person has an equal chance of getting in to the gifted and talented program. I have never attended a gifted and talented program, because my school doesn't have one, it only has different placements for different subjects. Some students are more advanced in subjects due to various reasons. A gifted and talented program should be applied for each subject individually. This gives students chances to show their strengths in different subjects, which creates a better environment.
Ayanna (Florida)
Gifted education shouldn’t be eliminated. Some children learn at a faster pace, understand, and excel through work easier than others. The more advanced kids shouldn’t have to be taught material that they are already familiar with and know how to do, the gifted program allows them to work at a faster pace and be able to learn more advanced level things compared to normal classes. Just because some children are faster learners then others doesn’t mean that their program should be eliminated. Some people might be offended by the gifted program, but they need to understand that not all people learn at an average pace and that others might prefer to learn faster and learn new and more advanced things.
Andrea LB (YC CLIP)
I don’t have an exactly side because the two sides have their reasons. The one side about eliminate the gifted, and talented programs, the point is equity and fairness, this is a good reason because everybody can grow up and learn at the same time with the same opportunities, and we don´t see inequity, and discrimination. But in the other side boost these children with programs is good because they can improve themselves their abilities; they can be better and contribute something for the city or beyond.
Dylan (Sarasota)
Gifted and Talented programs shouldn't be eliminated because they need to keep different achievement levels separate so they can move at different paces. The answer to keeping these gifted and talented programs in place isn't the 4-year-old test it is to have them take a test after age 7 so they have learned so things before they try to get into the gifted and talented program. I have never attended a gifted or talented program before but I know programs like it and am in a similar program. Yes children should be grouped in gifted and talented groups to show their level so then smarter students don't get stuck behind with others. Their isn't a bad segregation in my school their is a good mix of all kinds or races in all my classes and in all levels of academic achievement. If I was his adviser I'd tell him that he shouldn't think like he is cause these programs help out a lot.
Toby Jaffee (Sarasota, FL)
I was a part of a very explicitly 'gifted' education system in elementary school, and I think they absolutely should be eliminated. People who are naturally curious or receptive to being taught can take initiative and still learn at their own pace in a regular class. All being in a 'gifted' class has done is lead to anxiety about reaching my teacher's standards. The teachers taught me everything I would have learned otherwise, just under extra pressure that led to us judging those who scored too low to continue in the programs or went to 'lower' classes for other reasons. I look back at how cruel I was to some people after being told from kindergarten onward that I was 'smarter' than most of the other people in my elementary school, and often wish I was never placed in the program at all.
shamsun-LB (YC-CLIP)
gifted and talented education should not be eliminated.In my opinion every parents has their dream about their child .they wants their kids well educated and trying best to go a gifted and talented school. so, if a kids have extra talent why not he or she can get a better chance .
Kenzie (Minnesota)
I don't think the classes should be eliminated. If students are smart enough to get into the gifted classes then we should give them the opportunity. I know first hand what it is like to be in a class that is below where you should be. It very frustrating coasting through a course that doesn't challenge you. Though I do feel that testing kids at the age of 4 is a little weird. At that age it's not necessarily that child's fault of what they know or don't know. If kids are tested in middle school or high school then that would be more appropriate. By then they have established how they learn and study. As for the segregation part, I don't think their race should matter at all. Who care if there are more white and Asian kids in the gifted program? If they took the test and got in then that should be all that matters.
Atticus Pratt (Bradenton FL)
In my school I take all gifted classes, and I do not believe they should be abolished, however, they are no where near perfect . The test with 4 year old children is absolutely ridiculous; gifted programs should not just be purely intelligence, but also dedication. The one big problem with gifted classes is that it promotes a superior/inferior segregation system, which is all encouraged by the school. A great improvement could be to offer more ability for students in regular classes to more easily join advanced classes, either by making criteria lower, or a true choice system. either way, its better than our current method, and definitely better than New York's new idea.
Evelyn Pintus (Sarasota FL)
Gifted education is vitally important and should not be eliminated. Without it, students who are capable of above average intelligence would quickly grow bored of their enviorment and stop trying. However, while gifted education should not be eliminated, its not nessesarily fair to evaluate people based on a singular test they took when they were four years old. People should be given multipule oportunities through out their childhood to prove their intelligence.
Ty’anna Ash (Sarasota fl)
Gifted education should not be eliminated. If students are smart and intelligent then that’s just what they are, don’t try to take nothing away from them it’s not right. Considering that i am a student right now, we need to be very well-educated
kAFALE RIVERS (SARASOTA FLORIDA)
I believe that they should not be eliminated but separated cause more advance kids learning should not be hindered because of what other parents other kids should think of but with kids not being on the level as others should not be teased but should be praised with others
Zepharin (Sarasota)
I don’t think they should get rid of gifted and talented class because they are class that let kids express themselves.it also help kids who are looking forward acting or singing or dancing these classes are very important and this is why we should keep them.
Megan (Louisville, KY)
I am a 16 year old junior who has been in both public and private schools. Gifted programs should be eliminated. Schools can cater to the needs of gifted students without giving them a specific title. By offering varying levels of class rigor, you open opportunities for "average" students to grow to the level of their high achieving classmates. I was in the gifted and talented program and I can't say that it made any significant contribution to my education. I continued to take the same classes as my unidentified peers and was rewarded for low effort success in easy classes. I continued to coast through regular level classes with much success, which I believe contributed to my lack of motivation or work ethic in my classes now. The program didn't challenge me, and frankly now I am not equipped to deal with challenging coursework. The gifted program implies extreme pressure to outshine other participants, resulting in unhealthy competition. All things considered, the gifted program provided little to no educational benefits for me as a young student and taught bad habits in regards to work ethic. Despite my negative experience, I think that schools could benefit from a differentiation in course challenge level. Rather than a distinction children can earn, make leveled classes a choice at the subject level to provide students more appropriate challenge level. Taking classes of varying levels could also decrease the divide between students.
Kenzie (Minnesota)
@Megan I never really thought of it that way. I can see where the problem of coasting through classes leads to a lack of motivation. I can relate to that. I wasn't labeled a "gifted" student. I was in this weird spot where the regular classes were too easy but the gifted classes where too hard. After coasting through the regular classes I was left with little motivation and poor study habits (meaning I don't have any study habits) I still think however it depends on the school. Each school treats the gifted programs differently. If the gifted students really are taking harder classes then I think the programs should stay. But if it is like your situation where you are still taking the easy classes then yes, I think the programs should be shut down.
Ann (Idaho)
@Megan This is a very thoughtful reply. And I agree there should be leveled classes and kids are given the choice to take them. Taking a test at 4 years old in New York, that clearly segregates/elevates higher income families whose kids had pre-K, is NOT a good way to label a child as gifted.
MariaQ-LB (YC CLIP)
Education is the right for all children. Schooling is essential in everyone’s life so I think school do not have to have programs in which they make groups because some students are more intelligent than other or for any other reason. When schools do that students feel bad and sometimes they do not want to go back to their classes. Equality for all in schools will be the best key for student’s success. In some cases there are students who are not the best in their schools but for that reason the school’s system have to do something to motivate those students and in this way they can be better little by little. Equality for all.
Martha-LB (YC CLIP)
I think the best solution is not the easiest. Closing the gifted and talented programs in the city’s public school would be a step back to the training of children who need special education. Several years and efforts were invested for the creation of these programs, and very serious researches have shown that both children with special talents and children with cognitive disabilities require an education according to their needs. The solution is to create and apply an effective and accurate admission process, which does not result in racial or social or economic discrimination, as well as to follow up and constant evaluations of the development and effectiveness of the program.
Melany-LB (YC CLIP)
I think the gifted program should not be eliminated because the kids can improve themself through the program and believe every child or young people have theirs owns ways of be special like a kid could be good in math but not in biology is just depends in how they person uses their minds. Sometimes they kid or teen don't want to be in the program but the parents force them to do it that's what I say is just depends if you like it what you doing or not. I believe the methods the use to see how the brain works in the head of the child is fine I don't have problem whit it but if the child start to feel pressure and anxiety because all the works they gave to them they should give them a break.
Karolina-LB (YC-CLIP)
Education is a big opportunity to students and people that wants to success in life. Everyone has talents and deserve to have a good education. Although some people are gifted and I think that they need more education and advantages class. It depends in the student capacity and how to support them to improve their lives and be able to manage their talents.
Genesis-LB (YC CLIP)
I think gifted and talented program is good. I do not think it is a discrimination because everyone who is in this program earn this opportunity because he/she has the capacities to be there. Everyone is gifted and talented in his or her own ways, but there are some people, who are more dedicated in their studies, so I think those kind of people, should be separate if they prefer because of this way they cannot force others students with class too much high and difficult for them. Worth mentioning that no one has, the same metal capacities. There are people, who have problems, others are very slowly, and there are others who do not have great metal abilities. In sum, I think gifted and talented program is great idea for this kind of people who have these very great capacities, and this great brain.
Evangeline Brancati (Sarasota, Fl)
I believe that gifted and talented program should be eliminated, they might seem beneficial to the kids at the time, but it messes with them later then life. I know that I, along with all the previous gifted kids have a lot of issues with anxiety and fears of failing, and just overall feeling like if they cant do something that they're a failure and letting everyone down. It never ends up good for kids in the long run