Britons Pause to Vote in an Election Many Did Not Want

May 23, 2019 · 43 comments
God (Heaven)
Apparently the British people aren’t buying Big Brussels’ doublespeak that self determination is slavery and submission is freedom.
NK (NYC)
If I were a UK citizen, I'd be voting Labour. To say that Jeremy Corbyn is "walking a tightrope" is just plain wrong. To use the words of the London taxi driver quoted in the article, he's done nothing but dither and equivocate for the last three years. A real disappointment...
Bruno Parfait (Burgundy)
Brexiters voting for their party in this election will not vote for brexit anymore but for a progressive self destruction of the EU itself, same agenda as all other right- winged populists in Europe. You may even deem this idea as being already born in ...1973.
AKS (Oxford)
This headline is misleading. For MANY more British citizens, the chance to vote in European elections was a cause for celebration.
Brit (Wayne Pa)
Obviously whomever Ms Mays successor may be they will have to call for a General Election . This will give the Liberal Democrats the opening to form a Government that they have long awaited . A Liberal Democrat lead and an opportunity to form coalition with Labour , will result in a call for a second Brexit vote . Then the British people will have the same choice that others in the EU have had to face recently a vote for Democracy or Populism.
Chuck French (Portland, Oregon)
"And the European elections, typically low-turnout affairs dominated by the most ideologically motivated voters, provided an excellent opportunity for voters to flock to those parties to cast a protest vote that reflects their frustrations with the major parties." Again and again, the mainstream media continue to deny any substantive basis for the surging populist vote around the western world. In election after election mainstream parties have been flayed, gutted, and left for dead by the voters, yet it's always chalked up to the "protest vote." Middle class and working class voters, apparently, are too dense or unsophisticated to actually vote intelligently, especially when they balk at the wisdom of the intellectual classes. No, the political elite has served up a lot of great ideas, whose execution has unfortunately been botched, apparently by those who don't quite understand just how good those ideas are. So the proles just protest, and they protest, and they protest, because they can't be counted on to think properly, like those educated at Oxford, Harvard, or Yale, right?
Stevenz (Auckland)
The Brexit Party is unique among political parties in that its primary - only - purpose is to put itself out of business. Believe that and I'll tell you another.
Maine Islands (Friendship)
England would be the last place where I would invest my time or money. Before the EU, my wife and I toured Europe and London. Europe had the best food and produce that we had seen anywhere in the world. London had the worst. We stuck to fish and chips and warm beer. Since the EU, England has developed into an attractive country to travel, wine and dine in. But not for long. We also enjoy people who are open to the world. England doesn't seem to be that, nor aware and proud of their once international exploration and appreciation of science and education.
Stevenz (Auckland)
@Maine Islands -- My European travel experiences back up this view 100%. The UK became a more attractive place with the same European influence that nations on the continent have long enjoyed. But the fish and chips are still better here, much better.
sean (uk)
Nonsense. You clearly visited the wrong parts of London, and England has some very beautiful and culturally rich places to visit.
Martin (Amsterdam)
In periods of major social, cultural and economic change associated with major shifts in technology, a lot of disoriented 'ordinary people', especially the poorly educated beloved of Trump, say, whose communities have usually been disproportionately affected by all the change, are easily misled by elite demagogues (like Trump, Farage and many others) into blaming some easily idenitifable 'others' (say Jews in 1930s Austria and Germany, Muslims and Mexicans, and imaginary Muslims in Mexican gangs threatening Trump's America) for changes they see as coming from outside their confused communities, disrupting some largely mythical happy past. Call it 'identity politics' if you like, but at base it's the same old, usually racist dynamic of Us v Them, used by cynical elite opportunists for millenia to get a cult of followers disadvantaged by the elites of which the snakeoil salemen are themselves a part, to challenge a dominant section of the elite from which the self-proclaimed new Leaders feel excluded. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it, and people of good will all around the world must learn from the 1930s that led to WW2 before it's too late. Otherwise we are condemned to repeat the inevitable brutally destructive consequences of earlier populism and xenophobia.
Maureen (Nyc)
Somewhat consoling to know US voters aren’t alone in their stupidity.
Maine Islands (Friendship)
Not really. Climate change will overcome humanity and no one will notice being too distracted by stupidity.
Stevenz (Auckland)
@Maine Islands -- "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." Friedrich Schiller
rd (dallas, tx)
The phrase "too smart by half" is two halves too high to describe these Brits voting for the Brexit party.
Brit (Wayne Pa)
@rd I could not agree more they are as politically naive and lacking a moral compass, as those in the US who continue to support Trump.
Mott (Newburgh NY)
Brexit is in the running for the most damaging political move in the 21st century. A long way to go but it's in the lead.
EveT (Connecticut)
Thank you for covering the #DeniedMyVote issue: "Some people complained they had been sent the wrong forms needed by European Union citizens to vote outside their home country, or received them too late." “I didn’t receive my form in the mail, but when I called the council yesterday, they said I was eligible,” Solange Martin, a French student living in London, said. “But today when I went to vote, they abruptly said no.”
Ewan Lamont (Edinburgh)
@EveT There will also be voters who have moved home and forgotten to update their eligibility and who found they could not vote.
EveT (Connecticut)
Please note that thousands of EU citizens were #DeniedMyVote by being turned away at the polls because of delays in filing voting cards, clerical errors, etc. UK citizens living abroad also didn't get their vote-by-mail ballots in time. See, for example, coverage in The Guardian and BBC.
Practical Thoughts (East Coast)
Britain needs to bring this Brexit to a close. Now this is just dragging on an exacerbating the politics. They should “crash out” if necessary. While Brexit will mostly hurt the UK, it won’t be the catastrophe predicted. Just more paperwork and bureaucracy. Some job loss, but the country will still be a top tier place in the world.
nolongeradoc (London, UK)
@Practical Thoughts Certainly should be brought to a close. No need to 'crash out' - simply abandon Brexit (revoke Article 50) is what many of us favour. The referendum was advisory only, not legally binding on Parliament (check this out, whatever the Brexit liars say). We definitely need a frank non-partisan discussion about what sort of future Britain we want to be - openly and enthusiastically European and accepting the responsibilities of what that means OR a vassal state of the US vigorously embracing Trumpism. Nigel Farage is a remarkably effective politician. Astonishingly so. Articulate, charismatic, intelligent and very good at connecting a crowd with his own ideas. He's also alarmingly entwined with Steve Bannon and the darker side of Trumpism and gives off a strong smell of someone else's money - source suspected but not confirmed.
Garrett (Alaska)
@nolongeradoc Is the UK not quite literally a 'vassel state' of the European Union?
Brit (Wayne Pa)
@Practical Thoughts I love your sense of humor.
J111111 (Toronto)
The news is that EU voters residing in the UK and UK voters residing in Europe are being turned away. Meanwhile Little England is facing an election of Boris, Jeremy or Nigel - would be better off with Larry, Moe and Curley Joe.
CapitalistRoader (Denver, CO)
"...with Leavers streaming to a Brexit Party that did not exist four months ago and Remainers to the Liberal Democrats..." The latest polling shows Leavers voting for Brexit outnumbering Remainers voting for Liberal Democrats three-to-one.
Nori (London)
@capitalistroader The reason that more leavers are voting for the Brexit Party than remainers are for Liberal Democrats is because the remain vote is being spilt amongst many other remain parties i.e. SNP, Greens and Change UK. Polling indicated that when you added all the remain voters together the total number of leave and remain voters are neck and neck. Of course when the results come out on Sunday will see the true picture. My hope is that conservatives come last, they truly are the most incompetent and sub par politicians I have seen in my lifetime.
Dan Mabbutt (Utah)
@Nori "most incompetent and sub par politicians" Oh, c'mon now! SURELY you can't mean that they're worse than Trump.
Ewan Lamont (Edinburgh)
@Nori I was shocked at the voting booth to see how many Remain options there were. The Remain parties have only themselves to blame for their vote blocs being shredded. The EU Referendum might have been "advisory" but when Parliament "advises" the Queen, she takes the advice. Neither I nor anyone I know thought that the EU Referendum was anything less than a final decision and there is something sickening about the way the Remainers have damaged the Constitution of the UK by trying every manoeuvre to avoid Brexit. Especially pernicious is the notion that the majority was not big enough for such an important decision. In all voting, one vote wins and the more divisive the issue the closer the vote tends to be.
Steve Bright (North Avoca, NSW. Australia)
It amazes me that having seen the chaos that Brexit has caused (quite different to what Farage promised them) so many in the UK will support the Brexit Party. When the English call themselves the bulldog breed for their stubbornness, they mean it.
Gwyn Matthews (Abergavenny UK)
@Steve Bright To help with understanding the issue and why so many Brits want to take control again is not racist dogma, as some on here have written. These EU elections are just a fig leaf to democracy: the real engine of state in the EU is the non-elected, jobs for life, European Commission and Euro Courts of Justice. Voting locally in any part of Europe is futile. There is no democracy and this is what Farage has been on about for 30 years.
Barry Lane (Quebec)
Why is it that conservative right-wing governments are trying to destroy the foundation of western civilization? It is completely irrational!
CapitalistRoader (Denver, CO)
@Barry Lane, I guess people are touchy about their countries being flooded with third-world immigrants and the associated increase in welfare roles and crime, especially sexual assault.
nolongeradoc (London, UK)
@CapitalistRoader The EU isn't about 'third world immigrants'. What the EU has faced has been a tsunami of refugees fleeing wars in North Africa and the Middle East. The United Kingdom has essentially refused to take more than a few hundred of these - a fairly typical UK response to any request from Brussels for help, solidarity and flexibility. So, no. the UK has no flood of 3rd world migrants - except the ones it has chosen to take and leaving the EU won't influence that - nor will it prevent illegal immigration; actually, Brexit will INCREASE illegal migrants as the French discontinue their collaboration to protect the UK's borders as a result of Britain's departure from the EU. We have no 'EU sexual assaults' in the UK. We have had organised sexual grooming gangs but nothing to do with EU immigrants. Quite the opposite and Brexit won't fix that. You mentioned touchy. Many Brits get touchy about Americans giving us advice about dealing with our war refugees. WAR refugees. Refugees from wars that have been started... get my drift?
Garrett (Alaska)
@nolongeradoc it seems that many Brits do not need a reason to be touchy concerning Americans. Your deep seated resentment of the US seems apparent through-out this comment thread. If we are REALLY trying consider the destabilization of the middle east thoughtfully, what role does the British partitioning of the old Ottoman Empire play, I wonder? I wonder how many allies of the British were installed as despots and monarchs. I know of at least Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt....
Sam I Am (Windsor, CT)
I thought Brexit was because the EU was a faceless, unaccountable bureaucracy. How does that square with it having a Parliament with free elections? I guess it doesn't, unless you're sour grapes over the fact that your elected body doesn't do exactly what you want.
Michael Blazin (Dallas, TX)
The EU Parliament is not a real parliament. It has a voice, but the people on the Commission and the bureaucrats really run the show.
nolongeradoc (London, UK)
@Michael Blazin You mean like the UK parliament, where the lawmakers have a voice but the Prime Minister and the cabinet really run the show? Or like the US, where there are two elected assemblies but President Trump does pretty much as he pleases? How's Ms Pelosi getting on with reining him in? The Commission members are nominated by the governments of EU member states and the bureaucrats are ELECTED by the leaders (PMs, Presidents) of the member countries. Countries outside the EU rarely have their civil servants elected by the people, so there's nothing unusual about the EU's internal functioning. You're just regurgitating anti-EU propaganda.
Michael Blazin (Dallas, TX)
In the course of your rant, you do realize you completely supported my points that the Parliament had a voice, but other groups made the key appointments and set policy.
Oh (Please)
The UK should hold a second referendum. That way at least they would know its the true will of the people, and not a majority of the minority of people who voted the first time around. Plus, its a certainty that Russia interfered with the first Brexit vote, just as they will with a second Brexit vote if it were held. It's tragic stupidity to cling to a bogus electoral result.
Rich Murphy (Palm City)
By your reasoning we should get a second vote on Trump. Russia interfered and we were misled.
Rich Murphy (Palm City)
By your reasoning we should get a second vote on Trump. Russia interfered and we were misled.
Ewan Lamont (Edinburgh)
@Oh The EU Referendum was conducted correctly. The result was unexpected by the Remain supporters. It appears our rulers were complacent and ill-informed about the public mood and David Cameron resigned.