The Chinese Surveillance State, Part 2

May 07, 2019 · 19 comments
Ella Wang (CA)
A report should be unbiased. There is no other side of the story. uyghur terrorism
James (Rockville, MD)
A quote from the show: "The Chinese have sort of systematically moved a large number of Han Chinese into this region, trying to sort of turn what is a Muslim minority into something that's closer to the Chinese, so to kind of eradicate, in a way, the sort of markers of Uighur cultural identity." Actually US government have done much worse to Native American 150 years ago, or Japanese American during world war two.
Michael (D)
So they all moved to the US and left their mom alone in China for years?! What a great guy! How can anyone do this to your parents?
Dani (Seattle)
@Michael clearly you don't understand Chinese culture. I lived there for 3 years... and families do this regularly. You can not judge their actions by your culture or values.
Michelle L (US)
I'm so touched when he said he believed in next life and he would tell his mother he has fought for her. This is such a sad story. It's even sadder to think about numerous individuals who have the similar fate.
V (E)
Excellent reporting. This should be on the front page. I just listened to both episodes via Apple Podcasts, went to go send them to my friend and they've disappeared off from the app. Please help!
Louiecoolgato (Washington DC)
This story was very interesting...BUT.....When the commenter and the person who did this investigation talked about WHY this story is not being told more forcefully in American media, their 'blinders' were apparent. They did not mention the most important reason WHY this investigation is not getting more news media coverage. First, The Uighars themselves. They have a huge strike against them in American media: They are MUSLIM. It seems that the ONLY time American media addresses tragedies happening to any Muslims is when they want to cast a particular gov't into a negative light (China is the one for this story). That gov' that is negatively cast is usually a foe or ENEMY in some way of the US government. Second, The people who are victimized are NOT European or White Americans. Our media rarely cares about groups outside of these UNLESS the outside groups die in huge numbers, but even this does not guarantee coverage for more than one news cycle....Maybe 2 news cycles if one or more white Americans are involved. Three, Uighars, or any non-white ethnics anywhere in the world, will never be seen as primary news because of the political climate in America. People who believe in the MAGA do not care about anyone outside their particular group (white, middle americans for the most part, major jobs lost in those areas).......To dance around the elephant in the room by NOT stating US racial/religious reasons why this story is not being told is a disservice in and of itself.
S B (Ventura)
This series has been great. Thanks for the great journalism NYT.
Meritocracy (Everywhere)
Let’s stop buying Chinese products and accepting advertisement money from their propaganda outfits. I feel ashamed to own the “Made in China” stuff I already have including this phone. Certainly, we can build out supply chains in other countries that have inexpensive labor. The Chinese did it. It took them 40 years starting in 1979. I think we can do it faster with the advanced technology we have today. Ultimately, we can’t rely on China for much of anything besides issues of strong mutual agreement. I’m sure their government feels the same way. Let’s not support 21st century concentration camps.
Joanne (Australia)
Wonderful reporting. This is terrifying but nothing new. Tibetans have been under this systematic suppression for decades. They have also experienced "re-education"and also been overcome by an influx of ethnic Hang Chinese who are now in majority. They also live in fear. Perhaps, a follow-up to this show could be an investigation into Chinese activities in Tibet-- where no reporters are allowed.
Rob Smith (Taxes)
I listened to this podcast today on NPR today. Here are some of my thoughts: In order to be a unbiased report , NYT should also interviewed other uyghurs in USA whose relatives are not forced into the "camps". Throughout the podcast all I heard is voices from one side. Also, I think NYT Daily should mention the background of the story. For example, why the Chinese communist party is trying to put some Uighur into "reeducation camps" and also the back ground of Mr. Ferkat Jawdat ( how did he end up seeking asylum in the US).
David Brown (New York, NY)
A quote from the show: "The Chinese have sort of systematically moved a large number of Han Chinese into this region, trying to sort of turn what is a Muslim minority into something that's closer to the Chinese, so to kind of eradicate, in a way, the sort of markers of Uighur cultural identity." I respectfully suggest that it is unprofessional for a reporter to use filler words that change the meaning of sentence, and inexcusable in this case. I cannot imagine how one would feel to hear that their government is "sort of" trying to eradicate their culture when in fact it was actually trying to do so. P.S. I am not a crackpot.
Jeff Wu (Santa Clara, CA)
This episode made me feel incredibly sad. Haven’t felt this way in a long time. I feel that I must do something but don’t know what would be the best use of my time.
MH (Washington)
This is unbelievable and horrifying. This needs to be on headlines across the country. Great journalism - thanks for sharing.
Chris (San Diego, CA)
How much of this type of monitoring spills into Hong Kong?
JW (NY, NY)
Who is the musician playing the song at the end of the lead story?
MS (NYC)
@JW I'm curious to know that too, and surprised it wasn't credited.
MS (NYC)
@JW I'm curious to know that too, and surprised it wasn't credited. P.S. Figured it out. It's by Abdurehim Heyit, and called Karşılaşınca
AD (Indonesia)
@MS sadly, he’s the very famous traditional musician from Uyghur & being detained in the camps & not released until now (he was reportedly dead in the camp - this made the Uyghur issue being highlighted everywhere)