Religious Objections to the Measles Vaccine? Get the Shots, Faith Leaders Say

Apr 26, 2019 · 31 comments
A Goldstein (Portland)
"Religious authorities...have ruled that [measles vaccines] do not violate Jewish, Islamic or Catholic law." So much for the rules of science, public health, common sense and now, the religious authorities. The no-vaccine folks are, it seems to me, committing child abuse and that should be against the law.
Robert (Out west)
Congrats, antivaxxers, on coming up with a whole new resolution to the Fermi paradox.
Skip Bonbright (Pasadena, CA)
Most “religious” concerns about vaccines come from spiritual communities that qualify as cults, and as such are not deserving of religious exemptions.
simon sez (Maryland)
There is a national vaccine injury compensation program which the Federal government runs and funds. It is very difficult to navigate the system and even more difficult to win a case. Nonetheless, since 1988 over four billion dollars has been paid out to Americans who have been injured by vaccinations. In 2005, in response to complaints from vaccine manufacturers who were afraid of the large number of suits against them for their products injuring and killing people, Bush signed a law that prohibited Americans from seeking legal action against Big Pharma vaccinations. Sen. Edward Kennedy, speaking to NPR said,what ended up in the bill is far broader than what had been discussed in the negotiations. Kennedy said the final language in the bill provides "a basic blank check for the industry, not only on pandemic flu, but just about any other kind of, quote, epidemic that anyone can think of." Those who favor compulsory vaccination are doing everything possible to vilify their opponents, Americans who are justly concerned about the police state tactics of compulsory vaccination. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/4-billion-and-growing-u-s-payouts-for-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-keep-climbing/ I am waiting for the NY Times to run an opinion piece that opposes compulsory vaccination.
Robert (Out west)
And I am waiting for the likes of you to go talk to somebody who’s just miscarried, or found out that you’ve helped hand her a permanently brain-damaged child to take care of.
Robert (Out west)
Absolute, ignorant, vicious nonsense. How dare you risk the lives of children like this.
Bobby (Ft Lauderdale)
Look, you can believe whatever you want. That is your right. But when your actions endanger other people's kids OR YOUR OWN, because of those beliefs, then you have lost the right to act out your belief. When I was kid they taught us this is school: "Your right to swing your arm ends where my [kid's] face begins". When I was a kid you had to show your smallpox vaccination scar to get enrolled in school. Period. End of story.
John Mccoy (Long Beach, CA)
Not inherently a religious issue! Except that preventing suffering should be a universal value, and not preventing suffering, a moral defect.
Dan Barthel (Surprise AZ)
This is one of the worst outcomes of Facebook's fake news. Everything the antivacers hold near and dear has been thoroughly debunked. Mark do a search using the word vaccination on your site and delete everything you find. You'll do the world a service.
Jay David (NM)
Parents who do not vaccinate their children are not "devout', they are stupid...and possibly criminally so.
Bernice Hausman (Hummelstown, PA)
There is little evidence that misinformation is a primary driver of the current measles outbreaks in the U.S. Instead, global outbreaks are linked to American cases through international travel. The U.S. is experiencing some of its highest rates of childhood vaccination. In New York City and New York state, the rate of MMR vaccination for kindergartners was over 97%, over the rate expected for herd immunity. Nationally, the median rate for children the same age was over 94%. Readers deserve better, more accurate journalism. It's easy to finger misinformation and its purveyors, but the truth is more complicated, and the problem of susceptibility to measles outbreaks more difficult to solve than blaming antivaxxers.
Caro Wall (Virginia)
Autism and severe allergies have been dramatically increasing along with immunizations. It's not illogical for divergent thinking parents to be very cautious before subjecting their children to such risks. The most significant public health success of the last 100 years is the dramatic improvement in personal hygiene and access to safe, running water. In the West, other diseases for which there are no effective vaccines, such as scarlet fever and cholera, have all but disappeared. The numbers of cases of childhood diseases and consequent deaths were already plummeting before the mass introduction of vaccines.
JSintheStates (Washington,USA)
@Caro Wall You obviously didn’t read the same NYT article I just finished!
Robert (Out west)
Scarlet fever’s pretty much preventable with good handwashing, and easily cured with antibiotics. Yeah, there IS a cholera vaccine. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2016/06/single-dose-oral-cholera-vaccine-first-get-us-approval You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I would be, if I were endangering children like that. So...what quack nostrum are YOU hawking? What probiotic, what homeopathy, what worthless dietary supplement?
Ivy (Leaguer)
Yes, it IS illogical. And wrong. If I cut my hair, it grows back; does that mean that cutting my hair makes my hair grow? And increase in my sleeping late coincides with it being sunnier out when I awake. Is it logical to conclude that my increased morning sleep is causing the sun to shine brighter or more often?
ricardoRI (Providence)
Wow, in an article strongly supporting vaccinations, with support from important religious leaders, the NYTimes has confirmed that some vaccines actually do contain up to 3% pork-derived gelatin. The origins of other vaccines are derived from aborted fetuses. Although I am a strong believer in mandatory vaccination (except for specific medical reasons), I fear that this article may harden the pro-plaguers (aka anti-vaxxers) into even more staunch resistance.
White Buffalo (SE PA)
@ricardoRI Our side does not lie, unlike the other side. I understand your concern when dealing with the irrational, but it is better to be honest and forthright about this than have the other side somehow happen upon this information and then waive it about as evidence they they were lied to or that there was some type of nefarious cover-up.
Robert (Out west)
I see that the anti-vaxxers’ reading skills remain at par with their scientific knowledge.
Audaz (US)
Religious exemptions are a violation of the separation between church and state. I am deeply concerned that the Supreme Court has been ruling otherwise. You don't get to disobey a law because of your religion. Human sacrifice being an obvious example.
Dan Barthel (Surprise AZ)
@Audaz The Supremes can't be trusted with this. Look at Hobby Lobby and the other carve outs they consider. Common sense says public health should trump religion, good luck with that.
Di (California)
There are always those who, out of pride or a misguided sense of piety or both, feel they must be more Catholic than the Pope.
PrairieFlax (Grand Island, NE)
What would the anti-vacc community say to treating a person for possible exposure to rabies? Like Yiddishamama, I'm appalled at the intentional misinformation out there. In fact, this Lutheran (me) was in Boston last weekend where she attended a community Chabad (one of the highest levels of Jewish orthodoxy) Passover seder in which the Rabbi encouraged all to be vaccinated - and, in almost the same breath, to support the strikers of the grocery chain Stop & Stop.
Non-Russian (Here)
Does anyone know whether and how much Russian or other anti-American misinformants are/we're behind the promotion of anti-vacs propaganda? What about white supremacists?
BerBer (South Carolina)
@Non-Russian, from what I've read, they were putting out msgs both for and against vaccines. So, fanning the flames not starting the fire.
Joseph (new york)
Had the City stuck to its guns and outlawed the controversial oral suction administered during the circumcision ritual by many Ultra-Orthodox Jews, we may have been spared this recent measles outbreak in Brooklyn. By caving into pressure and allowing the dangerous oral suction practice to continue, it sent the message that following the guidance given by the NYC Health Department is optional. Shame on Mayor DeBlasio for putting his bloc vote ahead of the welfare of defenseless children. Rabbi Joseph Newfield Brooklyn, NY
Yiddishamama (NY)
I too am deeply offended by the misappropriation of Holocaust symbolism. The utter lack of sensitivity or, likely, willful ignorance of those protesters is deplorable. It is particularly so given that vaccines are, with rare exception, life-saving, and Judaism teaches that all but three specific rules ("mitzvot") of the 613 listed in the Bible (Torah) may be temporarily broken if it is to save a life. Shame on these people for misleading others on the facts about and value of even long-used and -effective vaccines, and for misrepresenting the nature of genocide and of the Holocaust in particular, and of the profound and multifaceted and multigenerational suffering it caused -- and which their callousness continues.
PrairieFlax (Grand Island, NE)
@Yiddishamama Interesting. Although no work can be done on the Sabbath, it is considered a mitzvah to deliver a baby or otherwise save a life on the Jewish Sabbath. I like that.
cc1038 (Madison)
@Yiddishamama “Self-imposed predicaments of the pious” - C Hitchens
White Buffalo (SE PA)
@Yiddishamama Far too often those claiming religious expertise and bases for their arguments actually know nothing about the religious texts they cite as authority.
Michael Ando (Cresco, PA)
"Vaccines are made from viruses, which are just protein shells containing short stretches of DNA or RNA and can multiply only when grown in broths of live cells. Those cells are unusual in that they must be “immortal” — that is, able to replicate for decades without suffering “cell death,” the aging process." To be clear, this is only true for some vaccines, definitely not all, and probably not even most. As noted in the article, flu vaccine is grown in eggs, not immortal cells, and vaccines for bacterial diseases (as opposed to viral) are made from bacteria grown in fermenters without the need for any other cells, and others are synthesized chemically. Vaccines are certainly not all the same in how they are made or what manufacturing residuals may be present.
Robert (Out west)
Vaccines are not “synthesized chemically,” your other c,aims are almost as far off, and we could all do with less disinformation. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/how-vaccines-are-made