Film Club: ‘Brexit Pain at the Irish Border’

Mar 14, 2019 · 31 comments
Veri (Czech Republic)
This documentary is really well made. It´s full of information - some of them were new to me. I didn´t know, that the connection between the Northen Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is so close. All this natural talks with people living in the Northen Ireland made the documentary more effective.
Rohan Wadhwa (New Jersey)
This documentary was quite enlightening about the issues with Brexit, which is a topic I don't know much about. It's clear that Brexit is a complex issue that is causing a lot of divisiveness in the UK. Due to the Irish people desire not to leave the EU, I feel as if they should at least obtain open borders if the UK does end up leaving as a sort of compromise.
Michael Ressler (Orlando, FL)
This is well made and really highlights each type of problem for each group of people interviewed. It also gives me a ground view on the issue instead of hearing facts about it without anything to care about.
Mitchell Reid (Orlando, FL)
This documentary appears to give a very thought out and neutral view of the Anglo-Irish fray. It's very interesting to me how they frame the generational divide between the Irish that remembers the Catholic uprisings and those that grew up after the violence. The interviews with those two groups coupled with the shots of the remnants of that violence portray the tenseness of the situation.
Brianna Kim (Northbrook, Illinois)
What intrigued me the most about the video was seeing how real people felt on the situation going on. Instead of hearing a person apart of the government talking it made me really see how it impacts people today. Some people do struggle with their identity and some people don't so it is a situation with strong opinions. I was surprised that this issue has been going on for so long especially because it's about protestants and Catholics. I would assume they would want to solve the problem with peace. I learned more about Brexit and Ireland as a whole because I never really knew about what was going on. Thinking about this situation in my life, it would be like splitting up half of Northbrook and not being able to cross the invisible line.
Brandon (Illinois)
The film makes me mostly realize that there is a lot more going on in the world then just in the U.S. I was surprised to hear about the time when I.R.A bombed vehicles and hurt people. Also its surprising to me that the U.K would even be apart of Ireland, I thought Ireland was totally a independent country.
June Lee (Glenbrook North High School)
After learning the feelings of the citizens in Northern Ireland, I was able to make a weak, but a definite connection to my life. I am a citizen of and was born in South Korea. This means that there is an obvious border between South and North. Ever since I was little, the two sides of Korea never really got along, and never really tried to interact and mend their relationships. I was always taught that all the people of North Korea are devils and barbarians that still use swords and spears as weapons. Although I believed it, I also thought that maybe the border is pointless and we should unite as fellow Koreans back then. Sure, there're no visible posters or flags everywhere that shows the obvious effects of the relationships between the countries, but the requirement for Korean men having to be in the military for 1-2 years is because there might be a war anytime.
Elizza Moon (Northbrook)
A moment that stood out for me in this film is when the girl said that if you have an Irish passport your Irish, and when the other girl said that Irland gives you a choice to be irish. british, or both. The reason that these sood lut is because of the border you get to choose but in the USA you are american.
Jason (northbrook, Illinios)
One part of the film that stood out to me; is when a girl in the movie said that she doesn't want to get dragged back into the past. It shows how bast history was in Ireland. Ireland use to have these mini terrorist attacks. Kids would leave to school to become terrorist. After 30 years of mini/huge terrorist attacks their is finally peace. Ireland was divided into two parts, northern Ireland and Ireland. The Brexit exit could lead to the past becoming the present again. The quote from the girl shows how much she doesn't want this to happen since it was so bad. It also shows the new generation of Norther Ireland and Ireland want peace.
Emmett Cuncannan (Glenbrook North Highschool)
One moment in this film that stood out to me was that England left the European Union. This caused many teenagers to become afraid for their future selves because there might be hard borders again. This stood out to me because this was how it was during the wars. Another thing that stood out to me was that you can choose if you want to be british or Irish or both. This stood out because a lot of time you can't choose what country your from. I also was wondering which is better. Another question I have is how will all of this affect the lives of the teenagers in northern Ireland and ireland.
Andy Lee (Northbrook)
The separation between Northern Ireland and Ireland. The ambassador said that the UK is not part of the European Union. The students and adults in Northern Ireland don't know who they are. The student's faces show how worried they are. The kids are nervous if they're gonna be another war. Also, lots of destruction in Ireland
Sidney Holman (Northbrook, IL)
Based on watching that video I was shown that borders can be dangerous. They can be dangerous because people could protest or get mad, and even start riots. This video showed me that borders that are being created should be necessary. I mean that when putting up a border or taking down a border a lot of thought should be put into it, and it should be necessary because people usually don't like change when there is no real big problems. I think the border in Brexit is very dumb and not needed at all because without the border there were no real big problems, and with the border it has caused lots of conflict.
Rebecca (Northbrook IL)
I can connect with the catholic minorities who went against the gov. and started rioting at every corner. But they were trying to get what they wanted, they took a risk, came out of their comfort zone. And fought for what they believe should be future. They didn't necessarily get the greatest outcome, but they tried. As for myself I broke a boundary when I tore my ACL I wanted to go to school the next day, but the nurses said I couldn't because of the medication I was on. I was absolutely furious and I kept arguing trying to let them change their mind. But they still said no, I didn't get what I wanted. But I tried and I'm still surviving today. I know it's not as dangerous as the riots by the Catholic minorities, but in a weird way we both had the same mindset. Both hoping for a change.
Kade (Northbrook)
I think that this situation in Ireland is similar to what happened around 1950s. People black or white lived in the same cities and could never cross that line from black to white which is similar to how in Ireland how they can't go on to the other religion's land. This situation shows how they live separated and experiences that you could have did not happen. For example, a guy in the video said that he lived there all his life and still hasn't seen most of the other side of land. I think that it would be tough to live in this situation because they are in fear of their past coming back. I think that I would be scared if this happened to the U.S. and segregation came back. I think people of all races would be scared and live similar to people in Ireland.
Brady (G)
I think the moment where people wanted to unite all of Ireland stood out to me. There has been a lot of conflict in the past, and people want to fix all of this. They are not nervous to stand out for a cause which is pretty interesting. There is a fake border where people will stay on the same side based on what religion they are. I found this a little odd because I thought Ireland was united. Northern Ireland and Ireland are two separate areas. I thought there was one whole Ireland and not two parts. There has been violence, and people were nervous. This had to do with people being seperated by religion.
Caroline Gracia (Providence RI)
I learned that the sentiments of those that reside in Northern Ireland were largely ignored in the making of the decision that the United Kingdom will leave the European Union. Ireland has suffered centuries of mistreatment under British rule. However, I did not know that a strong divide still stands between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland. I also learned that the decision that the United Kingdom will leave the European Union does not include protections for Northern Ireland. In the film, several teenagers spoke on the subject of their cultural identity. They discussed the terms of British or Irish identity, or both. The idea of such rigid, harsh boundaries separating cultural identity is new to me. In the film, one teenage girl mentioned that her parents told her that social and cultural identity are determined based on which group she feels most comfortable or welcome in. I like this way go thinking, because I know that social and cultural identity is a very real conflict for people who come from differing backgrounds or who live in cross-cultural communities. I agree that the sentiment that is expressed in the film, which is the idea that Brexit should provide for an open border between Northern Ireland and its surroundings. I think that a closed border would be a step backward, and historically, a closed border has fostered widespread resentment. Also, the young generation should not be forced into this backward step that only promotes a closed community.
Dylan Collins (Fargo ND)
I think that this conflict all together is a bit silly. Ireland should just be Ireland. If you want to be Irish then live there and if you don't then live in England. It seems to me that there are English people that are trying to take the northern part of Ireland. All a boarder is going to do is make conflict worse and reverse years of acclamation.
Devin (Illinois)
@Dylan Collins I think you are partly correct. I believe you are right about whoever wants to be Irish should live in Ireland, and whoever wants to be English should live in England. But I disagree when you said English people are trying to take over Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland like living with England, they just disagree with this one dilemma. Both England and Northern Ireland both believe in the same things religiously. I also disagree when you say this is silly. It is a serious matter that caused violence and destruction. The Troubles are a dangerous group of people and people's belongings were being destroyed. Overall your response was good, but for some advice, you should add more detail and support your claims a bit more. Also, I would suggest you add more claims to prove your point, this situation is silly.
Veri (Czech Republic)
@Dylan Collins From one point of view I agree with you. Ireland should just be Ireland and all people living there should be Irish. It would make everything easier. From another point of view borders are a historical problem. About the union of England and Ireland had dreamt a plenty of kings of England and they had been trying to make their dream true. Than they succeeded, but this success made problems. The situation was solved in 1922, but this solution was not perfect, because it´s impossible. The Irish and British people, the Catolics and Protestants are inseparable. In my opinion, the solution is only in compromise.
Vanessa C. (Nipomo, Ca)
Watching this film, I felt that there is a lot of unresolved tension being brought out by Great Britain's choice to exit the European Union. During the 1950's there was riots in Ireland between Protestant and Catholics. It was ultimately resolved with a compromise called the Good Friday Agreement. Even with that people were divided, certain parts of town designated to Catholics or Protestants. A moment that stood out for me was when I heard people say a border gave a hostile feel, so many were against that. Many want a new resolution so that they don't have to experience the 1950's again.
Kate C. (San Luis Obispo County, CA)
I found this video very intriguing. This is something that may tend overlook because it doesn't apply to us. Is very weird that protestants are separated from Catholics. I couldn't not imagine something like this happening in the United States of America. Its very sad that students who go to school in Brexit have to commute very long distances in order to learn and attend school. Farmers need to realize that they may not always be able to go back and forth like they do now. Nobody seems to want to bring back a hard border. I think people deserve to know whats going to happen. People seem like they are just going about life but don't truly know what is going to happen to their future, and where they are living. Northern Ireland shouldn't be driven back into the past. Everyone seems to be content living there so its sad that peoples peace could be diminishing.
Grace (California)
The unnecessary creation of borders exacerbates old or otherwise small differences between people who have the ability to live together in peace. The idea that Ireland has been so illogically divided and reopened the psychological wounds of the old and violent past separations between the Protestant people of Ireland and the Catholic minority in particular. I hope that the ramifications of Brexit do not severely impact the civil relations between Northern Ireland and the lower part of Ireland, and that the citizens caught in the middle may continue to travel and work as they generally do. Better yet, I wish that Ireland were not divided at all by the will of Great Britain in the vein that it would assist in the maintenance of civil order. The Troubles should remain in the past and not be stirred up again; the hostility aroused thereby would be damaging to all involved.
Lexie Perales (Nipomo, CA)
I really like how the school gets involved in what's going on with Ireland, I think it really helps the kids living there better understand the situation they're in. It allows the students to speak out on the matter and I like how the person who made this video included their responses. This sounds like a very difficult place that they're in and it sounds really confusing, but I just hope that they do what's best for the people. The people want a reunited Ireland and they should have that instead of making them choose if they're Irish, British, or both because I feel that would be a tough decision to make.
Garrett Sellers (Nipomo CA)
I must admit am quite lost about what the border issues are but I can't imagine it being very much fu to del with as a teen just trying to have a good life. We don't live near the border of either a stater the country but from what I've seen and what I've hard it very hostile at points with territory. I know that the human race can be very protective but I don't see the reason behind. My favorite part about this video was the table of students who were talking about being Irish is being Irish no matter what part of the country you live in. I think that in the twenty first century can have borders but nothing that will cause fear or stress to whom live around them. I think there shouldn't e a hard border at all!!
Kurtis Newton (Nipomo, CA)
Most of the films most surprising elements was the effective use of showing division of one place over the other in Ireland. Really enjoyed but was shocked at how obvious the division between Catholic and Protestant sides of the town are... so distinct people in the town can even see it. How to fix the problem? So many ways to, yet how can we make it most effective? Even though the problem may seem easy to fix, there are so many people being affected, so many different views and feelings on the topic, what can we do?
Katie Padden (California)
I have always found it fascinating to study the unique and complex history of Northern Ireland, and I recently read a book by Malcolm Gladwell which highlighted the conflict between the Protestants and Catholics during the period known as "The Troubles," the ramifications of which still serve as a divisive issue-- as little effort has been exerted to combat this intrinsic separation between the two. To choose between Britain and Ireland is a divisive decision, especially considering the geographical Brexit divisions and the parallel which is drawn between the historical conflict between Catholics and Protestants. Borders, in my mind at least, have always served as a source of tension between peoples and creates unnecessary ideological and social divisions, as nationalist ideals serve only to further this divide.
Claire (Nipomo Ca.)
This film was really informational about whats going on in the UK. I feel like living in the US its easy to only think about our own governmental problems and gee we have quite a few. But keeping our minds open to the fact that other places in the world are having hardships and are ALSO dealing with border reforms is comforting in a way .
Luis (Nipomo)
From what i understand, the EU is a group of European countries that trade with each other that was made after WW2 in order to prevent future wars. If the UK exits, The UK will be able to set their own restrictions on their own borders, which many people oppose. As well as tariffs will be introduced since the UK will no longer have the trading partners they had before with the EU.
Fabiola Vazquez (Nipomo, CA)
I felt surprised about the power that a border can have among the citizens of one country. We should encourage peace by spreading it through the media and this film was an amazing example of it. The situation in Ireland shows us what can happen in our country if we keep supporting the idea of a border. Constructing a border is not the right solution for our immigrant issues. I believe that together, we can construct a better world.
Cameron (Nipomo)
I think the UK should just dropped out of Northern Ireland just to save money and border control is easier
Julian (Nipas)
From what I understand is that the EU opened there borders up for the UK. Also that EU has a form of trading. But this file interested me the most when they were saying how they opened there borders up for people. It interested me the most because they are willing to share there country.