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O.K., it’s time for Milwaukee madness. Who knew?

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  1. No mention of Laverne & Shirley? Well, time has rolled on, and perhaps now it is by far the greatest center of tech from Kenosha all the way to Sheboygan. Thank you for the image of the postcard, to remind of how it was!

  2. @Dana: Laverne & Shirley are over (actually, over and out). Move the convention to Genoa City, Wisconsin. And nominate Victor Newman! He can out-fox Trump.

  3. @Dana Or Harley Davidson. Or Briggs & Stratton. Companies with very loyal customers. Fine city.

  4. @Dana Schlameezle, schlamazzle, hassenfeffer incorporated!

  5. Democrats need to focus on their support of capitalism, with reasonable regulation, coupled to the idea that we need to take care of one another. That invokes the "social safety net," not socialism per se. We already have a social safety net that is working well, in the forms of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. We collect tax revenues used for the public good, such as for the funding of public schools, the police, and fire departments. If Democrats want to win in 2020, they need to bring this core message along with them to Milwaukee. It would be a shock if the Democratic presidential nominee does not win New York, New Jersey, and most states in the Northeast. That person will also win the left coast. It only makes sense to emphasize the Midwest. It's time for a change. It's time to win.

  6. @Blue Moon Democratic Socialism is exactly the kinder, gentler capitalism you describe. Neither Senators Sanders or Warren have ever described themselves as anything other than capitalists. Warren started out as a Republican. The term Democratic Socialism has been demystified to some extent over the last three years. We've had many discussions about what it is. Paul Krugman wrote a column about Denmark. Americans still think of Europe in very strange ways. Germany is a capitalist country. So are Sweden, The Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland and all the others. They treat their citizens with far more fairness and respect than we do our own. Yet, we're all capitalists. --- Things Trump Did While You Weren’t Looking [2019]

  7. @Blue Moon, I am saying my prayers that the safety net you describe will not be stripped of its vitality by the Current Resident and his minions. I agree -- the system has worked, can continue to work, and has helped millions of people who needed a leg up, or a long-term solution to insurmountable odds. But I don't think we can claim this safety net as something that's part of our fiber. Our fiber is being rewoven daily. Can't rest on it.

  8. @Rima Regas Although, given the toxic nature of the term "socialism" for far too many Americans, I've been urging somebody to pick up on the term "Social Capitalism", which refers to much the same thing as you describe--an economy based in free enterprise but with major legal limits on that through regulation and a commitment to tax funded universal health care, higher education, and housing. And, oh, yes, the public funding for elections with no organizational contributions around and a very low three digit limit on individual contributions per campaign. Democratic Socialism without the second word.

  9. If socialism means I get to keep my Medicare and Social Security then I’m for it. Also you have to admit Milwaukee has given us some of the best beer drinking slogans around. Sounds like the Democrats might be getting their act together to me.

  10. @Jerry Totes Is it time for a repeat: "Tell the government to keep its hands off my Medicare and Social Security!"

  11. From the Land of Sky Blue Waters ...

  12. Milwaukee is a very hip town with a superb art museum and terrific restaurants. Itr's not all about the beer.

  13. @Viking Plus the thriving Milwaukee Symphony and the Florentine Opera as well.

  14. @Viking Even if it was all about beer that would be okay too. Brewing is an artform.

  15. @Viking That is a good tip from a Norwegian.

  16. "Clinton won the popular vote by about 2.9 million, but she lost the electoral vote due to tiny, tiny margins in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. " Actually the 2.9 million margin was entirely due to California. Over the other 49 states, Trump beat Clinton by some 800,000 votes. Maybe we subtract California, Michigan and Wisconsin and see what transpires?

  17. Which just goes to show that California voters are disenfranchised when their votes count for a fraction of the influence a voter has in, say, Wyoming. The Electoral College is so past its sell-by date.

  18. @David G. The only college more corrupt than Trump University - The Electoral College.

  19. @Ludwig I say you're only started disfranchising voters. Keep going! I want to see you at the finish line.

  20. How about "The Milwaukee that Made Beer Famous"—? That colored margarine thing was a hoot. Long after it was no longer illegal, there were faded signs on barns and such along highways just south of the border with Illinois touting "Last Chance to Buy Colored Margarine" and the like. (I think there was also something about selling margarine in quarter-pound sticks, but I may have dreamed that.)

  21. @als We lived in the Chicago suburbs when I was in the 6th and 7th grades, having moved up from Kentucky. My sister and I had the chore of squeezing the margarine packet to distribute the color. It was disgusting and I never ate any of it. Did Illinois make pre colored margarine legal before Wisconsin?

  22. @als The dairy state (my home state, Wisconsin) didn't want to make it easy to use margarine so they made a law that said all margarine must be uncolored. For a long time only butter could be served in restaurants. As the daughter of a farmer, up to my ankles in cow manure, it sure made sense to me.

  23. Milwaukee still has some of the best sausages in the country: Weisswurst, Bratwurst, Summer Sausage, etc. I have been ordering online for years and maintain a freezer full of goodies to prepare at any moment. Yum.

  24. @lynn - Landjaegers from New Glarus!!!! I may attend the convention just to stock up. Spotted Cow pints anyone? Perfect choice.

  25. I have always been curious about Milwaukee. There's a cool line of power tools named after the place. It's not that big but everyone knows about it, I guess because of the beer. It's the sort of place most people could not place on a map, but probably still have an opinion about. In my head Milwaukee doesn't have any tall buildings. Toronto is about as close as I've ever come to Milwaukee so I don't know why I have this idea.

  26. @Dan For a brief time in the late 1800's Milwaukee City Hall was the tallest building in the world. There is great architecture there including many tall buildings.

  27. And the City Hall is still there, recently redone, and beautiful.

  28. @Dan Only some of their tools are still made in the USA, although they are supposedly expanding their footprint here. It's one of those well regarded brand names that has been bought and resold a number of times. It's like when you see "Bell and Howell" products, like flashlights hawked on TV, that company, going back almost a hundred years, is now chiefly a licensing agent, whose business is selling the "prestige" of their name, like our president.

  29. I LOVE Milwaukee! Never lived there but visited every year as a kid, and it had a kind of magic for me — the 1950s Happy Days elements were still there to see, the great summer festivals by the lake, all the immigrant groups, the laid-back atmosphere of Brewers games. It’s probably different now, but I hope it hasn’t changed too much. I can’t think of a better place if you want to connect with the best of middle America.

  30. @Treetop Where the Brewers in Milwaukee in the 1950's or was it the Braves!

  31. @Altabum Milwaukee Braves! Won World Series in 1957 over the Yankees -- Spahn Aaron, Matthews, etc.

  32. It’s pretty much the same—just more hip restaurants, fewer bubblers, and bigger fish fry’s—and a Fonzie statue!

  33. Thanks Gail as someone who loves Wisconsin. But I do need to make a small correction - Hillary did visit (during the primaries). Maybe not enough, but we saw her in Eau Claire. Same day that Bernie was. And she was terrific!

  34. @Julie Did anyone really need to see the 2016 candidates in person last time around in order to assess their fitness for office? Hillary could have spent more time in the midwest. Sure. But I assume televisions are in wide use in Wisconsin, Illinois, and Ohio, and any newspaper in the country is accessible online, along with candidates' websites. A canned stump speech is going to make a difference? I never saw Donald Trump in person as a candidate but I had no trouble assessing his fitness for office.

  35. @Julie We saw her in Michigan too. Several times. Again, maybe not enough but we saw here. Barack Obama even came to the University of Michigan to campaign for her. Enormous audience. That day made me feel good about America. I hope to feel that way again, someday.

  36. @Julie Wasn't that terrific: Bernie beat her in WI. MI, too.

  37. Good for Milwaukee (and I am saying this as a resident of Minneapolis). I hope the convention goes well, and that people realize the value of the upper Midwest. Milwaukee is a great city with a great tradition. It will be a great venue for the Democratic Convention

  38. A convention in the land of cheese, sausage and beer for a party loaded with vegetarians and wine drinkers. Ought to be quite an interesting experience for all!

  39. @Chris Oregon is full of Democrats. It also has long established, thriving microbreweries; and excellent cheese (Tillamook cheddar is delicious). There is plenty of delicious sausage as well. Get to know some actual Democrats. Surprisingly, they are very like Republicans, in many ways.

  40. We have a lot more fun than that!

  41. It's not a good idea to rely on stereotypes.

  42. I grew up near Milwaukee in the 60s and there's only one slogan the makes the grade: from the Blatz beer jingle "I'm from Milwaukee and I oughta know..."

  43. I lived in Milwaukee for a few years. It was cold, bitterly cold and windy. Minus 20s for a week at a time. Then in the summer, suffocatingly hot. In between, when spring finally came and the black-speckled snowbanks finally melted, the air was filled with the sweet smell of -- thawing canine ordure. And all year 'round, there was the surreal (to an East Coaster) sound of foghorns. It is probably better now, with people picking up after their dogs, as I assume they do there as here, and by convention time it will be warm anyway. Oh, and when I was living there, a quart of beer could be had for less than a quart of milk at the corner store.

  44. Are you fun at parties?

  45. @Seabiscute: I spend the academic year in your state, Massachusetts, land of Dunkin' Donuts, Bertucci's and lovely cities like Saugus, Lowell, and Worcester. That you look down your nose at Milwaukee is hysterically funny. You must be in denial.

  46. I think the choice of Milwaukee is an excellent tribute to the people who stood up against Scott Walker.

  47. Well, thank you! Sadly, it took a long time to rid ourselves of him, but not because of Milwaukee. It’s the suburbs and (some) farmers who cursed our fair state with this dullard mini-Trump.

  48. @YoRalph And maybe a way to move beyond some of the damage caused by Paul Ryan, too.

  49. Holding the convention in Milwaukee may help the Democratic cause in Wisconsin, but if I were the DNC I'd be making sure I was putting together the elements of a good ground game for election season--phone banks, carpools, text chains, and lawyers ready to challenge attempts at voter suppression. Voter suppression notwithstanding, a lot of the reason Hillary lost WI, MI, PA, FL, and NC was that urban African American voters in these states' cities--particularly male urban African American voters--did not come out in the numbers they did for Barack. That can not be allowed to happen again.

  50. @Glenn Ribotsky Aah, yes, but overall African-American females were the group to support Hilary by the largest percentage of their size. The issue rests with the candidate, imho. African-Americans do vote, and we are extremely loyal democrats. We just want to be valued and respected in return. This requires that a candidate resonate with the constituency. As I told a white colleague, Dems had better choose the right candidate. Hilary was expected to be the candidate, warts and all- a scenario young African-Americans rejected. I cannot blame them. I felt exactly the same way.

  51. @HMJ. So trump was the acceptable alternative?

  52. Black votes matter!

  53. I can think of an excellent slogan. It's the concluding sentence of Lincoln's second inaugural address: With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.

  54. @hen3ry I love the idea but the bumper sticker aspect could be a tad problematic, yes?

  55. @hen3ry - thanks for writing this...the party needs the inspiration.

  56. @hen3ry - these words would be a wonderful reminder in the keynote to remind the party who we are, and what and who we stand for - as one party, to restore our country from the scourge of Trump. @Marge Keller - your bumper sticker comment made me think of the movie Jaws - instead of 'we need a bigger boat' it would be 'we need a bigger car!'

  57. Milwaukee is one of my old stomping grounds. I always thought of it as a big little town, a real blue collar kind of place where folks work hard, have strong values, and really love Wisconsin. But to be honest, I never thought of Milwaukee hosting a DNC - EVER, however, I know they can pull it off. The setting is beautiful with Lake Michigan on one side and the Milwaukee Brewers on the other. In between there are those wonderful and homey Friday night fish fries and tasty cheese curds galore. A possible convention slogan: The Brat Stop (or not). The best part is that Milwaukee is only 90 miles south of Chicago, where I live. I'm sure I can find something to do there to help. History making in practically my backyard to the North. How cool is that?

  58. @Marge Keller I guess it's pretty obvious that I could get lost in a beer keg because Milwaukee is 90 miles NORTH of Chicago, where I live, not south. apologies for the error.

  59. Marge, Milwaukee is 90 miles north from Chicago.

  60. @Marge Keller North oh Chicago, and you can take a train! Milwaukee has worked on modernizing for decades. Will the convention mess us the State Fair?

  61. Milwaukee is indeed a gem. I have invested in tech startups throughout the Midwest since 2005, and find the cost of living and building a company, along with great universities, and motivated people, provide a fertile ground for entrepreneurism. That, and the beauty of the area, great architecture, and the friendly people keep me coming back (currently an investor in a Madison start up).

  62. Hillary lost Wisconsin because of gerrymandering - the stronger Republican Assembly and Senate then passed voter ID laws. These laws were in effect for 2016. Hillary probably would have won. Still haven’t had any voter fraud yet in Wisconsin before or after this law. This ID bill cost Wisconsin millions to implement. Sigh..... Sure glad Walker is out though.

  63. @Pat Presidents and Senators don't really lose because of gerrymandering; Representatives do. Can we just agree that Hillary lost because not enough people in the right places voted for her, and dedicate ourselves to making sure everyone votes in 2020?

  64. ...yet the one convicted person for voter fraud was a Republican Robert Monroe Robert Monroe, identified by prosecutors as the worst multiple-voter in state history, pleaded no contest to charges that he voted more than once in 2011 and 2012. Monroe's record was extensive: he voted twice in the April 2011 Wisconsin Supreme Court election, twice in the 2011 recall election of state Senator Alberta Darling, and five times in Gov. Scott Walker's recall election. He also cast an illegal ballot in the August 2012 primary and voted twice in the 2012 general election. On four of the counts, Monroe received a suspended three-year prison sentence, and will serve up to a year in jail. He also received five years' probation, and was ordered to complete 300 hours of community service and pay a $5,000 fine. Source:

  65. @Pat What does gerrymandering have to do with the results of a Statewide Federal election. Wisconsin is deep red bleeding right wing. La Follete, and Proxmire are unknown, and you saw what happened when Russ tried to make a comeback.

  66. First, I love Milwaukee, and I love Wisconsin, having been born and raised and spending a good amount of my adult life there. I am excited that the DNC is coming to the city, and I know delegates will enjoy it. It is also a horribly segregated city, and this decision will finally get its residents to address these issues. Unfortunately, the surrounding counties of Ozaukee, Waukesha, and Washington are the ones that continue to promote these fears. Residents are predominately white, wealthy, and Republican. My hope is that the DNC will shift the opinions of these residents. This was where Scott Walker was King. With the debacle that the Foxconn is becoming and how it can become the symbol for corporate giveaways, this could return Wisconsin back to the ideals of Bob La Follete, Russ Feingold, and Bill Proxmire.

  67. @Bcdoc - When I went to grad school there in 1978 it and Chicago were 1-2 of most segregated cities in the US. Milwaukee is still 1 or 2. After 40 years that can't be a coincidence.

  68. @Bcdoc I grew up in Mequon/Thiensville, and I could not have stated this any better than you did. I still remember when we put a custom-made banner on our fence to support a friend who was running as a democrat to the State Assembly in 1988. The next morning after we put it up, we found someone had cut it in two down the middle. In 1980, my grade school teacher had us go to a corner to show who we would caucus for in the presidential election. I was the only kid in the Carter corner, the rest voting for Reagan. Ozaukee County is notoriously segregated, conservative, and home to the close-minded. I know, I grew up there. Senselessbrenner, as I call him, will be relected as long as he wants to serve.

  69. @Stevenz Tell me Milwaukee is more segregated than Chicago or Cleveland or Manhattan! The city is 50%-50 black and white. I'm white and live in a Milwaukee suburb. I go to a Walmart one mile from my house, all the time, and it is probably has a 80%+ black customer base. No one looks at me funny or gives me any trouble. I'm a 67 y/o white guy and feel totally safe going there. The problems Milwaukee has are no different than any other large urban area in the country. I know many people who moved here from Chicago, Boston and NYC, et al, and they all love Milwaukee. So enough with the stereotypes already.

  70. There was an amazing big league pitcher, Melvin Famee, working the mound in Milwaukee sometime in mid-last century. It being the 1950s or so, beer drinking baseball players were not only tolerated, but celebrated. He was known to drink during games and casually toss empty beer cans into the visitors dug out for opposing teams to crush during less the inevitable less exciting moments of a baseball game. At the close of one noteworthy contest during a late July heatwave, Famee's team held a one run lead into the ninth, but being slightly inebriated by then, he couldn't hold it and walked six straight batters to a dreadful loss. When the visiting third base coached turned to his skipper with a look of astonishment, the manager motioned to the crushed cans in the dugout and said, "It was the beer that made Mel Famee walk us."

  71. @Bill Roberts Don't forget the great Milwaukee Braves teams (and players Aaron, Spahn, Matthews, etc.) of the late '50s. Went to two World Series' and defeated the Yankees in '57 for the title.

  72. @Bill Roberts You definitely got me! LOL

  73. @Bill Roberts Nice story.The first time I heard it I laughed so hard I wet my diapers.

  74. Gail, how does Milwaukee stand as opposed to your native Cincinnati? I spent the first 21years of my life in Northern KY across the Ohio River from Cincinnati and when I left for medical school I vowed never to return to a place that was so socially conservative. Just today a Federal Appeals court in Ohio agreed with Ohio's defunding Planned Parenthood and do not forget the number of times they re elected Boehner and have you forgotten the banning of the Maplethorpe exhibit?

  75. Well, if nothing else it might get Hillary to make a visit to the state, albeit a bit late. Lost the primary to Bernie there and didn’t get the hint she might have some work to do in the general election, just took the state for granted. However, I’m sure she won’t pass up taking a bow at the convention.

  76. After last November’s Wisconsin election, all 5 statewide offices on the ballot, from governor to state treasurer, went to the Democrats. The logically challenged state assembly leader, a gerrymandered Republican, summed it up this way: “If you took Madison and Milwaukee out of the state election formula, we would have a clear majority.” In other words, if you ignored half of the state’s voters, they would have won. This is the mentality of Wisconsin Republicans towards Milwaukee. And yet where does the execrable Scott Walker choose to live now that he’s been booted out of the governor’s mansion? Downtown Milwaukee. Hope the convention isn’t too noisy for him.

  77. @Arcturus - Oh, I hope it is.

  78. Just to clarify: Hillary DID visit Wisconsin during the campaign, but not in the closing weeks. 31 of 31 Wisconsin state polls showed her leading Trump. Even if she won Wisconsin she still would have lost in the electoral college. Everyone, especially older female pundits, LOVE to bash Hillary even as they are lamenting at the same time that she just won't go away. So, as we head into 2020 what do you say, older female pundits? Time to stop playing the Hillary card?

  79. @Paul Thank the Russian trolls and bots (and who knows who else within the Trump cabal) for that late swing in WI in 2016.

  80. The Dems should have picked Pittsburgh or Philadelphia because they have an excellent chance of carrying Pennsylvania next time round. Wisconsin? Not so much. They say Pa. has two major cities at each end and "Alabama in the middle". Republican, in other words. Once powerful unions have deflated like a Macy's balloon at the end of the big parade, the coal regions around Scranton and Wilkes-Barre have shrunk in importance and concern about abortion swept the state from one end to another, but Pennsylvania always votes for the candidate they think can keep the economy humming and bring the most jobs. When the recession hits late this year and early next, Trumpism isn't going to smell so good to people in Pennsylvania. Michigan as well as Pennsylvania are likely to swing to the Democrats next time around and it wouldn't take that many more big states to send Trump back to his 5th Avenue tower, complaining all the way about a rigged system and the biased news media. The location of the convention mainly helps because local people get saturation news coverage leading up to and through the big show. It will take more than that to turn Wisconsin blue. What they need more than anything is a good candidate who can stand up to Trump fearlessly.

  81. @Doug Terry Estimates range from 800,000 to 1,600,000 Floridians will be registered to vote in 2020 who were felons and denied the franchise until last year. Florida is definitely in play for Democrats next year.

  82. Governor Evers, a Democrat, just took over for Scott Walker in Wisconsin. It could easily return to its progressive roots now that the black cloud is gone.

  83. @Doug Terry That's really not true of WI's political prospects in 2020.

  84. As a transplant to Chicago from that east coast city whose named twice, cough, cough... I have to say I love Wisconsin. Madison is a great little city and Milwaukee is pretty awesome too. There are some amazing Art Deco buildings and a great art scene in Milwaukee. Wisconsin was a truly progressive state, that is until the GOP took the governorship and managing to dismantle a world class university system, labor unions and strong environmental protections.

  85. @Issy Wisconsin Dells looks like a pretty nice place to catch some fresh air and fresh, piney scent, too.

  86. A good choice for the Dems. A great newspaper and a working class of educated people. The superb bookstore at the airport says a lot about priorities. Wisconsin was an early part of welfare reform as well. Receiving hand-outs when you know you can work breeds self-loathing. The working dairy farmers wouldn't stand for it.

  87. @Lloyd MacMillan I had forgotten that great ( used) book store. I never missed going there when I lived in and flew from Milwaukee.

  88. Well I think it's a fine choice to have the convention there. And the NBA Basketball team is one of the best this year, and I suspect for a few years to come.

  89. Perhaps this is 'fake news', and yet while the rural region population remains somewhat forgotten, apparently this presidency suggested that we could move to Milwaukee. This year last when running this by an honest American and staunch republican, he grunted. There was Governor Scott Walker, who started at an early age, an enterprising business selling home-made lemonade. There was no mention of beer in his career, and he took to task a youngster who asked him for his views on Mother Nature, now known as 'Climate Change'. With a great affinity for our dairy products and aware that the workers in our farming industry are having a struggling time, a cheesy political candidate may not be appreciated at this time. Strident calls for The Green New Deal should be tempered at best so as not to cry over spilled milk, while the color 'green' is favored. Many Americans wear green on St. Paddy's Day, and Milwaukee deserves a Guinness Award for being astute, warm and welcoming in the Meet in The Middle Democratic Convention. 'Good Things Take Time', and our Country is moving forth, with hope to restore and mend our fences.

  90. Hey, it's the basketball capital of the Universe now, so be polite. And by the way, after a century of socialist mayors, Milwaukee was known for its very high level of public service, meticulously maintained parks and roads, and clean, professional government. It's the forsaking of its socialist tradition that have hurt it, among other calamities.

  91. My favorite slogan associated with Wisconsin is our University's Magna Charta, and I think it's relatively bipartisan: "Freedom in pursuit of truth." This is better political shorthand for a phrase that makes me tear up *every* time: "Whatever may be the limitations which trammel inquiry elsewhere we believe the great state University of Wisconsin should ever encourage that continual and fearless sifting and winnowing by which alone the truth can be found."

  92. UW-Madison professor here. Yes.

  93. Wisconsin, a great place to be from... Kidding aside I miss my home state, and considering the politics of the state of recent years, this kinda thrills me. An old Central Wisconsin boy, Madison grad, and family in Waukesha. I'd be inclined to be there if I were closer. Infuse the party with the old progressive roots!

  94. If our country ever sinks into oblivion, we will always be remembered for our advertising slogans. This we do well.

  95. @David Henry Such as "The Beer That Made Milwaukee Famous"

  96. My experience of Milwaukee is that it is sort of a groovy city which was un-ruined by the post-war uglification of Bauhaus building. There is a sincere civic pride expressed in confident brick buildings, and fantastical expressions of Guild or Masonic or whatever its called exuberance also expressed in brick. I will never forget a brick statue of a recumbent camel the size of a city bus, which caused me to pull over my car and gaze thunderstruck. Maybe a mini-bus? On the waterfront there is a beautiful ship-shaped post-modern building which I think is a museum. Also , Wisconsin has just been liberated from the Totalitarian Republican Regime of Scott Walker and the ALEC oligarchy. The Democrats are right to roll in there not in tanks, but with the platform of "Truth Justice, and the American Way"

  97. That is indeed the Milwaukee Art Museum on the water, with its moving roof by Calatrava. The museum was recently renovated and it has a terrific permanent collection and hosts wonderful traveling exhibits. Transplanted east-coaster here—and I love MKE.

  98. It can be fixed, but first Democrats need to understand that they have a much bigger problem in the middle of the country that Gail mentions here, much bigger than the excuse machine wants to admit. "The Democrats have begun to realize that the Midwest is a problem. Clinton won the popular vote by about 2.9 million, but she lost the electoral vote due to tiny, tiny margins in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin." Actually, She won the popular vote in California by about 5 million votes. She then lost the popular vote in the entire rest of the country by about 2 million votes. It was some places more than others, and distribution matters. However, a 2 million vote loss is a bigger problem than the tiny margins in the closest states. Sure, She might have eked out a win, but it was supposed to be a blowout on the scale of California, across the whole country. That isn't what happened at all, not even close. That needs explanation, and it needs fixing. It can be. That starts with realizing it.

  99. @Mark Thomason She won in California by 4.3 million; which means she lost in the rest of the country by 1.4 million(~1%). You can't really just discount California though as much in part as 1) not as high a percentage of people vote in California as in the country at large(this is partly an EC effect) but most of all 2) 1 out of every 8 people in the country lives in California. It's like saying that Texas(with only 60% of California's population in 2000) if you don't count that, Al Gore beat George Bush by 2 million votes in the rest of the country. Further, you seem to forget that 11 million more people voted against Trump than for him; it was his "luck" that 8 million of those despised him and Hillary both; she "only" beat him by the 2.9 million(48% to 46%) instead of what Dems just got 54% to Trumpublicans' 45% here in 2018 was the biggest turnout Midterm in 104 years, exceeded even what we've had for some Presidential elections!

  100. @Ted Steves -- I agree. That is another way to make my point. "Further, you seem to forget that 11 million more people voted against Trump than for him; it was his "luck" that 8 million of those despised him and Hillary both" As you say, the Democrats' problem was that their primary and convention system picked Hillary. That isn't a defense of Trump. It isn't about Her either. It is about the system we are about to see among Democrats. It is something the Democrats must not do again.

  101. @Mark Thomason I would start with the realization that Californians are Americans too...and that you can be a loser and end up in the Oval Office.

  102. Before the Koch Brothers and the Republican Party sent Scott Walker to destroy Wisconsin for the sake of pure corporate greed, Wisconsin had a great progressive history. Robert La Follette was a Progressive Republican from the Theodore Roosevelt generation of Progressive Republicans -- 100 years ago before the GOP turned into the Greed Over People party in 1920 when Harding-Coolidge sealed the corrupt greedy deal for the GOP. La Follette was a governor of Wisconsin and a US Senator. La Follette pushed the Wisconsin legislature to institute direct primary elections to let voters choose their own candidates. He supported measures that doubled the taxes on railroads, broke up monopolies, preserved the state's forests, protected workers' rights, defended small farmers and regulated lobbying to end patronage politics. La Follette worked closely with University of Wisconsin professors to help the state become "a laboratory of democracy." La Follette became a national progressive figure. University of Wisconsin professor of economics John Commons, a La Follette advisor, also taught student Edwin Witte, who went on to author the 1935 Social Security act for FDR. Wisconsin Progressives drafted much of FDR's New Deal. La Follette and Wisconsin's Progressives inspired John F Kennedy's "New Frontier" and Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" programs. There was a lot to celebrate about Wisconsin progressivism when Republicans actually cared about Americans. On Wisconsin !

  103. @Socrates This is an informative breakdown of our history, and it's particularly important at a time when the concept of a "Progressive Republican" is foreign. It's striking to me how in the scope of history what we define as "progressive" must be redefined as bipartisan; both Democrats and Republicans have historical precedent for protecting social welfare. In that vein of thinking, though, and because your moniker is Socrates, I think it's important to note that corporate greed has historically influenced Democratic policy as well. No party in the United States has an unadulterated historical claim to either the well-being of citizens or corporate greed.

  104. @Socrates You can add to that the environmental consciousness nurtured by John Muir, Aldo Leopold and Gaylord Nelson. Wisconsin also claims to be the birthplace of the Republican party, BTW.

  105. @Kristy: As it is now, corporate greed may have influenced Democratic policy in that Democrats had to oppose it and their policies were not as progressive as they could have been, but corporate greed has totally overtaken the Republican party to the exclusion of everything else, including the interests of the 99%...

  106. May Milwaukee emerge as a tell for All Of Us. Great choice, reality check.

  107. I find it interesting that not a single person in the country believes that any of the Democratic candidates have any chance of winning the election, or even Wisconsin. When you don't name a candidate, Democrats seem to have a pretty good chance. But can Bernie or Biden beat Trump? Very few people think so. Can Harris or Beto beat Trump? Nobody thinks so at all. Though the 2018 elections demonstrated that a large majority of the country will vote for any Democrat over Trump or any Trump-supporting politician, and even in places like Texas and Georgia nearly half of them will vote for whatever Democrat happens to come along, there are no Democrats who seem to have any chance of winning the presidency. Somewhere in the background you have Warren, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, Booker, Gabbard and a dozen others whose campaigns are DOA. So it's down to four candidates, and it looks like Bernie will be the nominee. Not because anyone thinks he can win, but because he represents Democrat voters' vision of what they want their party to be. Once the tone is set and the topic of conversation established, we might see a candidate capable of taking on Haley or Trump Jr. or whoever Republicans draft to clean up Trump's mess in 2024.

  108. @Ryan Polls actually show Trump losing to most –if not all– of the individual candidates in the Democratic field so far. He is rated by every reasonable polling outfit as the least popular President since modern polling began. Add to that, The Hill reported that Trump trails Vice President Joe Biden by 12 points, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) by 10 points, Sen. Kamala Harris by 7 percentage points, Sen. Elizabeth Warren by 6 percentage points and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand by 5 percentage points. So take a deep breath.

  109. @Ryan Funny how when you forget everything you know about trump, he seems unbeatable. It's a weird condition. Of course, the 2020 election was on the line for trump in 2018. He went for full fear and xenophobia, and biffed it bigly.

  110. @Ryan God, I hope bernie doesn't win. He has done enough harm to the party. Being forced to join the Democratic Party recently just to run again is even more disgusting than when he declared "I am not a Democrat! I am a socialist!" And now he's changed again from Independent on congressional roles to Democrat thinking we will choose him over a real Democrat. When he loses, he will go back to being an Independent. Bet on it. bernie just wants to win, he doesn't care how he does it. Let's make sure we don't abandon real Democrats for a fake one.

  111. Although they elected him for two terms as governor, at least the good people of Wisconsin were able, albeit by a slim margin, to recognize the damage Republican Scott Walker had wrought on their schools, and send him packing in 2018- putting an educator in his place. I like to think that at least some of the voters who flipped, also remembered when Mr. Walker tried furtively, in 2015 to remove the words “search for truth” and “improve the human condition” in the University of Wisconsin’s mission statement and substitute “ meet the state’s workforce needs” - later claiming (lying) it was a “drafting error” by his staff. The outrage engendered by Scott’s “Orwellian” attempt to attack one of Wisconsin’s proudest institutions gives me hope that Wisconsin will do the right thing in 2020 - not just for their state, but for the rest of us.

  112. @Susan They still re-elected him. Unforgivable.

  113. @Susan: I will never forget the people of Wisconsin 'inhabiting' the Capitol. Wow. That truly was wonderful. We had a 'mini-Trump' in our Republican Tea Party governor here in Maine (LePage Horribilus) but we did not protest, ever, the way Wisconsinites did. Magnificent effort.

  114. Democratic attempts to woo back the Midwest remind me of the recent Wells Fargo ads where they try to convince us that, in only a few short months since the last of their many scandals, the entire culture of the bank had changed and they are now a caring, customer-first bank. Democrats started taking the Midwest for granted with the Obama crowd and then Hillary, even though they were all from Chicago. The coasts were where the money was at and it was more fun hanging out with Barbara Streisand and David Geffen than touring tool and die shops in Racine. This has led to the Democrats' true Midwest issue: An Authenticity Gap. Perhaps the only thing refreshing about Trump and the GOP is that make no bones about what they stand for. "We like rich white guys and guns, and hate brown people, taxes, environmental laws and abortions." Democrats got themselves in trouble by pretending to be for the Midwest working class and farmers, but then constantly being seen at Hollywood awards shows, with the Davos crowd and at events with Silicon Valley tech billionaires. Republicans don't show up in photos at Burning Man. The Midwest noticed. It will take more than a convention and a few nights at the Pfister Hotel for the Democrats to win back the Midwest.

  115. @Jack Sonville: It’s the policies that count, not kissing babies and having a beer with workers and farmers for a photo-op. The Republicans want to destroy the New Deal that the 99% depend on and the Democrats want to strengthen it. That’s good enough for me, whether I personally like the Democratic candidate or not, whether he or she personally comes to visit me in my hometown or not. I can turn on the tv and read platforms on the web if I want to know more.

  116. @Anna While I agree with you, Anna, apparently many in the Midwest did not in 2016. Maybe four years of Trump will be enough to change their minds. But it would not hurt if Democrats showed up in Sheboygan as much as San Jose.

  117. @Jack Sonville That’s not what recently elected Democratic Governor Evers said.

  118. According to Greg Palast, Hillary Clinton won WI and MI if the provisional ballots were counted. In both states more than 25,000 Black and Hispanic registered Democrats voters were successfully targeted by Republican operatives to have their names removed from the voting rolls so when they did vote at the polls in 2016, their votes were provisional. Republican legislatures in both states decided NOT to count their votes.

  119. @BigGuy Even if true, having to worry about provisional ballots in "firewall" states like WI and MI is like having to worry about hanging chads in Florida when you can't win Tennessee or New Hampshire or Missouri (was still a bellwether state at the time) or Nevada, and your name is Gore. Clinton should have mauled Trump. Unfortunately, that's what her campaign thought too, so they didn't work hard enough to turn out the vote in places like Milwaukee County, though she still won the county easily. Obama 2008 - 319,000; Obama 2012 - 332,000; Clinton 2016 - 288,000. Maybe holding the convention in Milwaukee will bring back those 40,000 voters to the polls, though Clinton's problems were statewide, like they were in most Obama states she could not hold. Nearly two dozen Wisconsin counties flipped to the Republicans in the 2016 election. Unfortunately for Dems, they cannot hold their convention simultaneously in Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Columbus, and Detroit.

  120. @Gnirol Hillary had the votes in the Obama states, but those votes were NOT counted. That's the point. She won the popular vote by 3 million votes, but should have, could have won by more than 5 million votes.

  121. @BigGuy Didn't know this. This is the kind of stuff that needs to be on billboards.

  122. You forgot to mention Summer-fest. One of the great outdoor music events in the country. This city knows how to enjoy life.

  123. I don't understand the selection of Milwaukee. I just read an article a few days ago where an NBA player and the coach of the basketball team said that Milwaukee is a very segregated and racist city. The NYT wrote a story a couple of years ago talking about how segregated Milwaukee is. Now today I'm reading that it's all Laverne and Shirley and sausage and beer and happy times but what happened to the segregated city that was described by the Times just a couple of years ago? I just find this to be a very curious choice when there are presumably quite a few midwest cities that don't have this baggage --or maybe there aren't. I always thought of Milwaukee as kind of a nice, wholesome city, but then I read the NYT article and most recently the comments from the NBA player and it puts some questions in my mind, that's all.

  124. @Sandy As 2020 approaches, we Democrats have to keep reminding ourselves: "No purity tests!" There is no perfect. Any city the Democrats choose for the convention will have Republicans jumping all over it and demonizing it. Let's not help them.

  125. @Hugh CC This is what the basketball player, Malcolm Brogdon, said: ""Before I came to Milwaukee I'd heard the city was the most segregated in the country," Brogdon said. "I'd heard it was racist. When I got here it was extremely segregated. I've never lived in a city this segregated. Milwaukee's very behind in terms of being progressive. There are things that need to change rapidly.” This is what the basketball team president, Peter Feigin, said in 2016: ""Very bluntly, Milwaukee is the most segregated, racist place I've ever experienced in my life. It just is a place that is antiquated. It is in desperate need of repair and has happened for a long, long time. One of our messages and one of our goals is to lead by example." Maybe you don't think that merits a question as to the choice of Milwaukee for the convention, but I do.

  126. @Hugh CC If I can't question my own party, I guess I can't be a Democrat anymore. You're imposing a purity test on me, aren't you? Pfft. I am so tired of other Dems telling me how to think and to just shush and not be critical of my own party. That is Mitch McConnell territory and I REJECT it. Maybe you don't like my opinion but by god don't tell me I shouldn't voice it.

  127. One of Indiana’s most recent catchphrases is “Indiana: A State That Works.” It’s supposed to be a testament to hardworking Hoosiers but also functions nicely to say “Unions Not Welcome Here.” The slogan is emblazoned in giant letters on the side of the state government building in Indianapolis. When the Pence administration installed the sign in 2015, there was some kind of mix-up with the order and not all the letters were installed at once. For a few weeks, the sign proudly said “Indiana: A State” which I feel is just about the best slogan a state could have.

  128. The Democrats, since Bill Clinton, have moved increasingly to the right. They are, ipso facto, Republican Lite. They present a fractious, garbled message so it's no wonder voters are fed up with them. Seeing the Obamas in photo ops with George W. does not build confidence or loyalty. Thanks to the verbal contortionists at Fox and on right wing radio, people like Trump have the opportunity to rise to the surface. People on both sides are told repeatedly how bad they have it now and this or that group is to blame. I've all but thrown in the towel. Read Robert Caro on LBJ and see how disciplined the Democrats were fifty years ago. Now we have Hillary (who I voted for last time--any port in a storm, etc) giving well paid, private speeches to outfits like Goldman Sachs. We still don't know what she promised them. The Dems are now bogged down in identity politics. The voting public saw that the Democrats really offered them nothing but a bunch of tired platitudes. I've voted Dem since the early 70's but if Biden or Bernie is anywhere on the ticket, I'll stay home in Nov '20. Biden is the male HRC. How has that worked out? Bernie's promises of "free college" is a fantasy. The taxpayer knows that "free college" means that they'll be picking up the tab. I'm in Milwaukee and am glad that the convention is here but if the pols that roll into town don't figure out something intelligent to say, they might as well stay home. I'm not overly optimistic though.

  129. @Economy Biscuits I have a strong feeling that your comments would have applied to most decades in modern times. It's just that now with the prevalence of social media and connectivity by nearly 100% of the population, we instantly know everything about everything and everyone. There is no time given for thought or rational discourse anymore.

  130. @Economy Biscuits: So instead of "Republican lite" (I don't agree, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden would have strengthened the ACA instead of sabotaging it and they would have protected the New Deal, consumers and the environment and invested in infrastructure), you prefer outright authoritarianism and oppression of the 99% by the 1%. Because that happens if you don't vote. You will endorse the worst of two evils, if that's how you see Democrats (somewhat evil) and Republicans (very evil).

  131. @Economy Biscuits -- HRC's Goldman Sachs "speeches" have been available online for three years or so. If those documents are legitimate transcripts, they hardly seem like Hillary kissing up to Wall Street. Read them. And to be fair, nearly all famous politicians earn big bucks in this way. But I do strongly agree that we need Democratic candidates who are stronger and fresher than Bernie or Biden ... and I'm only slightly younger than them.

  132. It's been a few years since I've been there but Milwaukee used to be a nice little city. I'm just fine with the Dems holding their convention there. I mean after all from our viewer standpoint they could hold it in the Marriott in Peoria. We don't see the outside. Just the convention center. Still you have think about those teeny tiny slim as sliver majorities in just the right states to give Trump the electoral advantage, don't you? I know I do.

  133. Wisconsin. Cheese, Beer, and home to one of America's most progressive politicians -- Robert M. La Follette, Sr. The Democrats could do worse in 2020 than revisit some of "Fighting Bob's" ideas and proposals for their platform.

  134. @Fred Spot on Fred. "Fighting Bob" La Follette liked to say his chief goal was to break the "combined power of the private monopoly system over the political and economic life of the American people." Starting in politics as the District Attorney for the county containing the State Capital and later serving in the US Senate as a progressive Republican, does his biography remind anyone of the candidate currently running for President who served as D.A. for the county containing the Twin City of the State Capitol of a mid-western state who now serves in the US Senate. OK, its facile, but could this be a year when Midwest pragmatism and common sense linked with progressive ideas and forward thinking rides to the rescue?

  135. Quick now, does anyone remember which cities hosted the 2016 conventions? It's like trying to remember last year's World Series winner w/o looking it up. Why does it matter? What is said and how the respective platforms are presented are what matters. I don't remember much about the GOP convention, mostly a bunch of 3rd rate celebrities, but one shining moment stands out above all else: Melania Trump's blatant plagiarism of a speech given some years earlier by none other than Michelle Obama. Priceless.

  136. About twenty years ago a colleague went to a medical conference in Milwaukee. On her return I asked how was Milwaukee? Her response "it was closed". Hopefully the city has remedied that over the past two decades and could the slogan "not closed anymore"?

  137. @Son of Bricstan Most cities "close up" their downtowns after hours, notwithstanding restaurants who might be open till 10 PM. Chicago, New York, Miami being the exceptions. The reason is probably because we're all working so darn hard to make ends meet that most of us are in bed by 10 or soon thereafter.

  138. @Son of Bricstan Wow. You're from New Jersey and you're mocking Wisconsin? Ever heard of "irony?"

  139. I was born and raised there. True, we drove to Chicago for our dose of culture, but the world-renowned art center changed all that. Nowadays, plenty is happening. Even my Boston-bred nephew had some positive things to say when he visited the city on business a couple months ago and stayed downtown. When I asked him how he liked Milwaukee, he mentioned that it was “clean, with good restaurant options.” One could do a lot worse.

  140. @1 Woman I think the best thing about Milwaukee is the park system. There's a beautiful string of parks along the lakefront, with lots of recreation along the way. And inland there are parkways and green spaces all through the city. It's a wonderful place for taking a walk.

  141. Well, the Dems lost their luster in picking Milwaukee. I see it as if they just stuck their toe in the hole. Ironically, it falls in line with the Dems trying to get two dozen candidates to go for the nomination. We just added Beto O'Rourke, so we are getting closer. Picking a city only known for its beer doesn't impress me, but maybe it will improve sales since beer has been somewhat of a 'downer' lately. I can't get excited, but want to thank Gail Collins for giving us a pep talk on the city. We have some time left to turn this around. Has any party ever cancelled their original site after announcing it to the public?

  142. Ever heard of Harley Davidson?

  143. @Me Too You were hoping for....Atlanta?

  144. My son-in-law grew up in Milwaukee. He and my daughter met in Milwaukee and worked for GE. My only granddaughter was born in Milwaukee. My only sibling attended Marquette in Milwaukee. With this personal resume, I feel confident in saying that I’m glad the Democrats are convening in Milwaukee, but I have no idea why I’m glad or what would be a good slogan for the city. Maybe a more creative person can come up with a slogan based on the factoid provided today by Gail Collins that the name of Milwaukee comes from a Native American language: Menominee. That origin has an apt phonetic resonance for a political convention. In the meantime, everyone should know that Milwaukee has a wonderful art museum with huge moving wings attached to the exterior. Seriously.

  145. @sdw Hi! Fellow Clevelander here. I was at the Milwaukee Art Museum last September - my first time ever in Milwaukee - and was quite impressed. A lovely building (combination of three) situated on the lake, a terrific collection of O'Keefes. I enjoyed it very much, hope them Dems take in some culture while there.

  146. Hillary Clinton took for granted/failed to visit/lost Michigan in 2016. Here’s a crazy thought: the Dems do something other than chase after appearances, scratch the surface, and actually try to represent their followers by drastically revamping the primary system. The New Hampshire primary and the Iowa caucus are not representative of the Party base or of the national electorate. Yet, they play a dominant role in deciding who the Democrat candidate will be. States that hold early primaries are “battlegrounds;” their decision makes the opinion of Dem voters in other States irrelevant (when was the last time the California primary mattered?). A better way of choosing the Democrat candidate would be a system of rotation by which the fifty States would be divided into eight heterogeneous groups according to their differing geographic, demographic, and economic attributes (coastal, Rocky Mountains, industrial, agricultural, ethnically diverse, etc.) of six or seven. With such a system, each group would have a turn holding its primary first every sixth election cycle. If this were done, the Dems might actually nominate someone the vast majority of the party could enthusiastically get behind.

  147. @Joe Clinton WON the popular vote by nearly 3 million of those individual citizen's votes (even with gerrymandering and voter suppression). I'd prefer revamping the whole electoral college thing that gives less populated states more 'say' than those with more population.

  148. Also heard on CBS news last night that the University of Wisconsin - was not on the college cheating list and they have the highest number of placed CEO's of any university. In spite of Scott Walkler and the Repulbican wrecking machine, education is still strong in Wisconsin. We are hoping Tony Evers can clean up the made by Walker and continue to move our state forward.

  149. I grew up in Milwaukee and still visit from time to time. The city has changed quite a lot since the 70’s. I think the Democrats would be well served to take some factory tours. Try Ladish Co. In Cudahy. I worked there summers during college and back then it had 4500 employees. Today it does the same work, commercial, aerospace, some military, as back in 1970 but does it with about 850 employees. None of those jobs that disappeared moved to China or Mexico, they were wrung out of the company by technology displacing skilled labor. Take it as an example of how the workplace has been transformed not by China or Mexico taking jobs, but the effects of integrating tech into the work place.

  150. Through the "W" years we Wisconsinites could take pride in the fact that we consistently gave our electoral votes to the Democratic nominee, and that we had the finest of all U.S. Senators, Russ Feingold. That eventually came crashing down and we found ourselves the state of Scott Walker and Ron Johnson, and our pride has taken a serious beating. We have a wonderful city in Milwaukee, and when the weather is good, I wouldn't trade it for anywhere. The other 9 months we spend building character. I believe I have now either shoveled snow, chopped ice, or removed melted run off every day for the past five weeks. We're deeply segregated. We also have a history of good people battling against that problem - Vel Phillips, James Groppi, Lloyd Barbee and so on. But there's no doubt about it, Milwaukee is one place for whites and an entirely different place for blacks (and for that matter, yet another place for Latinos/Latinas). If you want our electoral votes in 2020, you're going to have to appeal to those of us whose focus is on racial and gender justice issues and also those of us whose focus is on economic security and opportunity. You shouldn't be deciding which of those constituencies to choose: you should be figuring out how to accommodate both.

  151. Visiting Milwaukee probably isn't on many bucket lists. but I'm sure it's a perfectly ok place. I was hoping the Democrats would be a little more daring and choose someplace in Alabama or Iowa and there's nothing wrong with Kansas or Nebraska..

  152. Milwaukee is a delightful city with a thriving downtown. There's a lively social scene along the riverfront, lovely public parks along the lakeside, beautiful architecture, and friendly people. A great choice for the Democrats!

  153. It is my hope as an older, wiser voter that reporters and writer analysts who cover the candidacies of the various democrats will provide us with insights into more than their policies. Not only do most of our candidate choices know little about what they would confront were they to be elected, we know very little about their character values, their emotional and psychological maturity and their financial histories. Sound familiar? I believe that candidates for public office have no defensible reason NOT to share their financial records! More importantly, voters need greater, and more candid, insights into their past relationships; their ability to manage stress; their predispositions when under stress; their locations on the continuum from hyper-individualism to enmeshed connectivity and their friendships with folks NOT from their socio-economic strata, the degree of racially and cultural diversity in those friendships. Do they really make an effort to understand folks that are not members in good standing of their political “point of view?”

  154. Don’t forget. Milwaukee’s East Side. The Lake, (Michigan), UWM, Oriental Theater, Sip & Purr Cat Cafe, Hooligan’s, Brady Street......oh those days of youth that still bring a youthful feeling no matter your age.

  155. Honestly this was a no brainer. It had to be in Wisconsin or Michigan. Glad they got it right.

  156. My thoughts go to beer. Milwaukee: Tap into a great city. See what Milwaukee has on tap. See what's brewing. Hops on board! Yeast we're not Des Moines.

  157. Given the ever-growing field of candidates, how many weeks have been set aside for the convention?

  158. As a former Chicagoan, my favorite and frequent go to is: “Milwaukee, a lot like Cleveland without all the glitter.” Of course, the two cities can be flipped depending on your audience.

  159. One of the hit records in Jerry Lee Lewis's long career was "What's Made Milwaukee Famous, Made a Loser Out of Me" The 1969 song was about a perennial bar fly whose wife left him. The title referred to the once popular Schlitz beer, which used the advertising slogan "The beer that made Milwaukee famous". After 2020, perhaps those hearing the song will think of the Democratic National Convention.

  160. I think we should give state tourism offices a little bit of a break. Utah has been milking "Life Elevated" for years now. Missouri has "Enjoy the Show." What exactly does that mean? Fact of the matter is California and Florida consume the vast majority of state tourism budgets by a wide, wide margin. Everyone else is just trying to keep visitor centers open. And, oh... wine and dine business lobbyists. That's the business. Attract business. Wisconsin just got a windfall. They are mostly remembered as the state that used to host the Chicago Bears training camp. The Bears left like 10 years ago. If you want to see a successful, "why would I ever go there unless my car broke down" campaign, checkout Discover Lancaster. If you want to make all your other quasi-parasitic state agencies jealous, Lancaster is the place to go. They have an absolutely marvelous public tourism campaign. Wisconsin for show, Lancaster for pro.

  161. @Andy What!? "I Love New York" is chopped liver?

  162. Many of the good folks of Wisconsin, like their neighbors in Minnesota, are descendants of hearty Scandinavians and Germans. These people often express superlatives with a couple of synonyms (I know, being a native of Minnesota and a grad of UW-Madison), Thus, a movie is not just great, but "great, and good, too." Or restaurant meal might be described as "Tasty and delicious, too." Please note that the word "too" is pronounced as if the word had several o's, not just two. So, a cheesehead might be described as "crazy, and loony, toooooo." Okay, you get the point, All of which suggests a new motto (or "branding") for Milwaukee: something like "A pretty good city, and not too bad, tooooo." It has a certain rhythmic cadence, as in a Norwegian lullaby or German leder.

  163. Every gardener, lawn care expert, country club horticulturist knows Milwaukee is famous for Milorganite--the natural enzyme-based soil nutrient developed when Milwaukee's German socialists and populists defeated the establishment's private sewage system which forced working families to rely on outhouses and be susceptible to all sorts of public health issues and inconveniences. Having won that big victory (it ranks with eliminating private fire and water companies--and it mirrors/echoes today's fights over expanding healthcare, education, housing, and justice), the socialists demonstrated a pragmatic side and answered the critical question, how are you going to pay for it, by innovating, creating the first sewer treatment plant that converted sludge into small grained sized pellets by drying, baking/sterilizing to kill bacteria, then pulverizing it for for use on farms, lawns, gardens, arbors to stimulate green growth through feeding the soil--with the added benefit off no chemical run-off into the ecosystem (streams, rivers), protecting the environment far ahead of its time--and providing a wonderful example of how socialism is democratic, forward-thinking, full of innovations/new solutions, environmentally friendly, cost-effective and focused on jobs, solving interconnected issues, and generating businesses that last! The "Mil" in the name speaks to its history with Milwaukee and its bold, enduring success!

  164. Note: you can buy Milorganite at any big box building/garden supply store. I have used it for years, with great results! It sustains a deep blue-green for lawns. It does have a faint odor that lasts for a day or so that hints of its origins, but it is perfectly safe for pets and children. Because it is non-chemical, golf courses use it by the train car box loads.

  165. @walterhett Yes, Milorganite was/is an excellent example of recycling of our waste. Well, almost excellent. Unfortunately, all kinds of stuff gets flushed into sewage treatment plants, so Milorganite contains toxic organics and trace metals. So, it's great for flower beds and lawns, but don't use it in vegetable gardens or where your cattle graze. (These statements are based on preTrump EPA data.)

  166. @prof. pete: Hmm. So Milorganite contains toxins and heavy metals because we do?

  167. A proud Milwaukee native, I was thrilled to see it selected to host the 2020 DNC. The city knows how to host visitors regardless of their political stripes, just asky anyone who has ever visited Milwaukee’s annual Summerfest music festival along the lakefront, a source of great pride for Milwaukeans. Cheese in all forms will be on offering, as you well know Gail, so for the lactose-intolerant covering the 2020 DNC, bring your lactaid pills and enjoy a cheese curd or two!

  168. A delightful column! Thanks for some easy wit to start the day. I've never been but Go Milwaukee!

  169. Wisconsin's a great state! Cheese curds and brauts - the Badgers and Bucky - Milwaukee's finest!

  170. @JMS Miwaukee is great. However the Badgers and Bucky are in Madison, WI.

  171. As a westerner transplanted in the northeast, I am glad the Democrats chose Milwaukee. This is a vast country and few of my fellow 'coastals' for want of a better word, have had the opportunity to check out those great livable cities of the Midwest and non-coastal Western United States. I suspect during the coverage, we will learn that Milwaukee has a lot more to offer than beer and cheese. It may not be on the scale of New York, but then, what is? You can't knit this country together and expect it to stay together if you ignore great swaths of it because they are not as glitzy, glamorous, and grandiloquent as our coastal metropolises.

  172. Dems need to focus on middle America as long as it still holds the advantage of choosing the president through the electoral college.

  173. We're pretty psyched about the DNC coming to Milwaukee. All those coming from outside will be pleasantly surprised by what Milwaukee and surrounding areas can offer. Sorry to disappoint, but we are no longer JUST beer and brats (although we have lots of great beer and really good brats). Restaurants, theaters, museums, zoo, bars....all fairly easily accessible. So enjoy the time spent here...and believe me, we won't mind if Hillary Clinton doesn't come!

  174. @Margaret melville I think we already got the end of your message. I hope the DNC did as well.

  175. @Margaret melville I'll mind if Hillary doesn't come as will many of us here in Milwaukee proper--and even, yes, in beautiful downtown Riverwest.

  176. If you want to understand Milwaukee, read Evicted: Poverty & Profit in the American City by Matthew Desmond.

  177. Christian from Pittsburgh, I don't want to assume you've never been to Milwaukee, I mean you could even be from here. I do want to say that one book written about a city is not the only way to understand said city. Does Milwaukee have problems? Yes. Are we trying to fix them? Yes. Milwaukee is not unique in it's struggles. Cities like Pittsburgh have gone through the same and have come out for the better on the other side. It's time that we embrace the resurgence of cities that have struggled and were hit hard by the 2008 crisis instead of directing people to a book that was written to emphasize issues seen on a national scale during the 2008 crisis.

  178. I lived there 17 years, until recently. Milwaukee is bigger than downtown. For me, understanding a city starts with its people. Past and present. Evicted captures the experience of residents struggling with housing security across the city. The footnotes provide context with well-researched and cited material. I agree that one book does not tell the whole story. John Gurda’s The Making of Milwaukee details the events and forces that influenced where the city is today. I read both books, and as a long-term Milwaukeean found my understanding of the city vastly improved.

  179. @Christian Read it, and it explains a lot about low-income real estate and mentality of people who have no good options, but it doesn't really describe Milwaukee.

  180. Milwaukee convention slogans? How about: A) "Milwaukee -- Where Everyone Loves the Kopp's" (For the uninitiated, Kopp's Frozen Custard is alone worth a trip to Milwaukee.) B) "What Happens in Milwaukee, Inspires the Coasts!" C) "Milwaukee -- Let's Begin Again!" I just might make a day-trip to Milwaukee for a Kopp's butter-topped burger and frozen custard. An early flight there, a late flight home. The Democratic Convention will culminate in our presidential nominee. Whoever that may turn out to be, let's commit now to devoting ourselves to making her or him America's 46th president. America is not just divided, America is diminished. As history is written, Milwaukee shall forever represent America's new beginning, our our redemption, our healing, our renewed commitment to the American Dream -- For All!

  181. Thought I'd mention that Bernie won Wisconsin and Michigan in the primary (but Hillary won Pennsylvania). So if you want to beat Trump, forget Joe (aka Hillary in pants).

  182. Happy Days are Here Again. That could be the slogan

  183. Did I just read a hollow puff piece about MKE, that managed to waste that many column inches without a substantial discussion of how the city remains a horribly divided nest of structural and overt personal racism? I love my state. I love Milwaukee. Both WI and Milwaukee fail black and brown people. I encourage anyone to look at arrest rates, educational outcomes, healthy birth outcomes, economic opportunity, and post redline segregation in Milwaukee. Please consider these stats when listening to the puffery and useless tokenism that the DNC will bring to our "fair" city. As we live in an era where organizations like the NCAA pull events from states with singular racist policies, how do we evaluate the DNC choosing a city that fails in almost every way to promote a basic quality of life for anyone not coding white? If the DNC does not substantially and openly address the reality of life in the Cream City, they're just another white agency using people of color and their pain for gain...or worse, blind to the suffering that is daily life by the lake.

  184. Milwaukee already has a slogan: "Live to Ride, Ride to Live."

  185. The Democrats need to skip the socialism and focus on labor. And what better way than to propose 'Medicare for everyone who works for a living." Call it "Medicare Work." Whatever it's called, the Democrats need to save working Americans from the Republicans who are destroying Obamacare. Who wants to lose everything they've worked for in their lives if they become ill? Who wants to be sold into medical debt slavery?

  186. MKE is a great town, speaking as a rival near-Chicagoan "south of the border". Drive north from Chitown up I-94, pierce the "cheddar curtain" at the IL-WI border, stop at the Brat Stop in Kenosha for lunch, and continue to Milwaukee. Hit the Third Ward (touristy but cool), the River Walk (beautifully redone), drive up their Lake Shore Drive, take in a game at Miller Park. Or watch the Bucks (Fear the Deer!) and enjoy the many historic buildings downtown that gratefully have not been torn down but repurposed. Enjoy some beer and fried cheese curds. No Trump Towers there, you betcha.

  187. @Zich And don’t forget to have a Copps Custard! Milwaukee is a great town. Been their four times for the NCAA Frozen Four and other tournaments. Great food, great bars, and the Hotel Pfister is a gem.

  188. @Zich Man, I miss the Brat Stop.

  189. @Zich I assume your trip advice is for the Spring and Summer.

  190. Ms. Collins, I have yet to recover from the Kilkenny Beer Festival in Ireland in 1969, but beer appears to be more popular than ever in this rural region, and in the spirit of true confession, American cheese is a staple much needed in this household and for our children in school. The runt of a tall family, perhaps a diet of powdered milk in Europe not so long after WWII, might be the cause. Milwaukee, along with other adjoining States, is the pulse and heart of our Country. The Midwest should never be considered as a problem, but as a restoration point and the best of meeting sites. Americans, who proudly carry the label of 'Republican' in the times we are living, should be taken seriously, and Joe Biden not only listens, but takes action because he cares about the future and vision of our Country. Beto O'Rourke from Texas has now thrown into the ring, his charismatic personality; an Orpheus close to our borders and on the road. America, Beloved Country, the time has come to cast away tears, and stand strong against the Enemy Within. Let us not seek to place the blame on our current commander-in-chief, or his invisible vice-president, while this voter is no longer 'sitting it out' to paraphrase Mitch McConnell, but is up and running now to regain the thorny crown that was stolen by slippery fingers, covered in patches of corruption and malevolence, that have caused our Nation to shudder.

  191. "But about Milwaukee. The city likes to push its connection to the brewing industry" Trump doesn't drink, so choosing this city might be a coded slap in the face. Sort of like a secret handshake. But, I'm conflicted about the Democrats showing bias towards Elizabeth Warren. Wasn't she .1% Algonquin??? You forgot to mention, how many of our fellow Americans were hurt by the Polar Vortex. Milwaukee is an ideal place to show empathy and remind everyone that they have not been forgotten! With that in mind, definitely don't want to choose, Houston. That's the place good ole Joey O. forgot to open the doors to his mega church during hurricane Harvey. Can you imagine how all those needy, confused souls seeking shelter would, untidy the place.

  192. Milwaukee has also been called "Cream City."

  193. Milwaukee. Chicago’s northern most suburb.

  194. I'm with @Dana - and nothing is more fitting for the Democratic Convention in Milwaukee than the Laverne and Shirley theme song: Nothing's going to hold us back now Straight ahead and on the track now We're going to make our dreams come true There ain't nothing we won't try Never heard the word impossible This time there's no stopping us We're going to do it On your marks, get set, and go now Got a dream and we must know now We're going to make our dreams come true voting BLUE!

  195. Milwaukee had Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley... Denver had Dynasty.

  196. This is way cool! I’m not a native, but I’ve come to love the place over 30 years— if not the weather. Those socialist mayors gave us an amazing county park system with many miles of trails for recreation and a lot of green space. The Lake (oddly named for some other state) is beautiful and the beer’s not bad either. I’m sending Perez one of those big foam cheese wedge hats so he can get a feel for things!

  197. Some convention slogans have already been decided: "We Like Beer Too." "Return of the Cheddar."

  198. Love your Democratic Convention slogan for Milwaukee, 2020: "Ninety-two Miles North of Chicago"! Who knew Texas and Florida would be tossed to the side for the DNC Convention in Wisconsin next summer? Nixon's fabulous winning convention was held in Miami in 1972. And we know what happened to him in 1973. With Milwaukee their convention choice, the Dems have bent to the winds of change (like the wise bamboo). They'll be donning Cheeseheads and quaffing beer, eating the red meat of the "Packers" while the G.O.P. is wearing red maga hats and making Trump a happy camper in North Carolina. We'll see what's in store for the Dems and the G.O.P. maybe sooner than next summer's conventions. Door Country Fish Boils, anyone?

  199. "Milwaukee, We Used To Make Stuff." "Milwaukee, Not As Far North As The North Pole." "Milwaukee, Scandinavians Come Here To Get Whiter." "Milwaukee, Skin Cancer Free Since We Got Here." "Milwaukee,More Than A Winter's Dream, It's A Winter's Coma."

  200. Joe Biden as the nominee with someone like Kamala Harris, or another minority (woman/Af-Am./gay/Hispanic/etc.) designed to bring out the voters in Milwaukee/Madison. (Harris checks two boxes: Af.Am and woman). And watch formal relocation plans from Chicago to Madison Milwaukee in the summer of 2020 to qualify for voting in Wisconsin. The Dems can't turn off the older, whiter base, but they have to fix it so the minority voters will turn out in droves, as they did w. Pres. Obama, and vote to offset the conservative whites.

  201. My nomination for convention slogan: Make all our dreams come voting BLUE!

  202. Here's a slogan for Milwaukee: Ach, du Lieber!

  203. Milwaukee must been a nice place, but a large majority of your readers will never go there. Meanwhile, we have a President who's nuts, guns in schoolrooms, and global warming that will extinguish the human race unless we reduce fossil fuel emissions. What's next, touring in Toledo?

  204. "Wisconsin, of course, is the state Hillary Clinton took for granted/failed to visit/lost in 2016." The latest polls from Iowa tell us that Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are the clear Democratic frontrunners. We don't know who will eventually win the nomination, but one question still nags at me. Will Hillary jump into the race? She has not definitively said she will not. And, of course, all the current candidates have their baggage. Is Hillary a sword hanging over all of us? Is it a "good" sword? I can't figure it out. She has her own problems, to be sure, but she is also the only potential candidate who has already proven that she can win the popular vote. The NYT writes essentially nothing about a possible bid from her. Am I way off base here? Are we all just resigned to waiting to see what happens next?

  205. @Blue Moon Oh, I hope she does. She can win the popular vote, but lose the election. That is because, even if she got every vote cast in California, its number of electoral votes is the same.

  206. Laugh about the cheese and brats if you want to, but if Democrats want to win the presidency in 2020, they have to win states like Wisconsin. There just aren’t enough electoral college votes in New York, New England and the Pacific coast states to put Joe or John or Bernie over the top. Milwaukee is the perfect place for Democrats to showcase their embrace of diversity, their determination to address persistent inequality, and their understanding of how “rust belt” cities can thrive again. And given the way we dress and talk and eat in the Badger State, it’s going to be hard for Republicans to portray the convention as a “latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving left wing freak show.”

  207. Happy days are here again.... really?! Until Citizens United is reversed and K Street lobby money is removed from Washington nothing will change. The dreams of the dems will remain just dreams.

  208. Milwaukee is simply where Democrats will rediscover their working class, organized labor, and comminity roots, then apply them during the general election campaign. And they will be able to sample our proud Socialist history in our lakefront and citywide parks as well.

  209. "Midwest is a problem". No. The archaic electoral college is the problem.

  210. M'waukee is one of the best kept secrets on the planet. Down to earth people, natural beauty, culturally rich, old-fashioned yet forward thinking. Warm enough to welcome Republicans! Regardless of your politics, you must visit this place!

  211. I never thought I'd come to the kind of conclusion I have; one in which less is more, given the very high stakes and the particular situation that was created as a consequence of the 2016 election. We need far fewer candidates than there are. We need more patriotically-minded candidates to search their souls and the many polls that have been published to ask themselves whether their political views square with current public sentiment. When one looks at the public record of many of those candidates, their past actions as elected officials and their current platforms simply do not match. When we look at the new rules the DNC has in place for 2020, it is clear that more candidates means every chance for superdelegates to decide for the public who the presidential candidate will be. While, according to Politico's Jack Shafer, The Democrats’ Civil War Is Over Before It Began, the problem isn't so much with those who are purported to be warring as much as it is with those whose job it is to make sure the establishment remains in control. Bait and switch has always been the name of the game... One smart thing, though, is to give back the Midwest its place in the spotlight. It has always been very important to Democratic politics. Cheers! --- Things Trump Did While You Weren’t Looking [2019]

  212. I never thought I'd come to the kind of conclusion I have; one in which less is more, given the very high stakes and the particular situation that was created as a consequence of the 2016 election. We need far fewer candidates than there are. We need more patriotically-minded candidates to search their souls and the many polls that have been published to ask themselves whether their political views square with current public sentiment. When one looks at the public record of many of those candidates, their past actions as elected officials and their current platforms simply do not match. When we look at the new rules the DNC has in place for 2020, it is clear that more candidates means every chance for superdelegates to decide for the public who the presidential candidate will be. While, according to Politico's Jack Shafer, The Democrats’ Civil War Is Over Before It Began, the problem isn't so much with those who are purported to be warring as much as it is with those whose job it is to make sure the establishment remains in control. Bait and switch has always been the name of the game... One smart thing, though, is to give back the Midwest its place in the spotlight. It has always been very important to Democratic politics. Cheers! --- Things Trump Did While You Weren’t Looking [2019]

  213. Greetings from Milwaukee!! In the past, I could have said: greetings from The Bronx, Manhattan, Park Slope, Miami, Denver, and Seattle. But, for the last 14 years it’s been Milwaukee. And, to many people’s astonishment, I really like it here. In fact, once past all the effete coastal jokes about “flyover country”, it’s a really nice place. And while it doesn’t have Lincoln Center and MOMA, it does have a gorgeous art museum with the 5th largest collection in the country, the 5th largest film festival in the country, a great waterfront that’s being developed at warp speed, a symphony, a ballet, a rep theater, etc., etc., etc. It also has a number of excellent universities, and winning teams in all the major US sports, with venues to match. All in all, not bad. Do we have problems?? Why yes we do. The same problems that every major city in the US has. In some cases we’re worse, and in some we’re better. We’re very segregated, but we’ve reduced teen pregnancy by over 50% in seven years. So, while the cognoscenti centered in a 20 block radius around W. 41st Street (W. 43rd Street when I worked there) may look askance at Milwaukee, it’s a pretty good place to have the convention! And BTW, the cheese and beer IS great (just ask AOS Jr. who spoke in the building next door to us a few weeks ago).

  214. I knew it was a good choice not just for political reasons but because Gail Collins once lived there. She must have been one of those "wonderfully random experiences." And yes, Mike Pence was responsible for the hokey Indiana slogan, along with several other misdeeds. He's the main reason I really like Nancy Pelosi's stand on impeachment. To paraphrase a slogan that any Cincinnatian would recognize, the Democrats should strive to pick "The Winner the World Awaited."

  215. Well, Milwaukee will be fine, I am sure, but the Democrats had better not forget one of Hunter Thompson's better lines: “Freedom is something that dies unless it's used.” ― Hunter S. Thompson The fight is of deadly importance, and winning the White House with another Bill Clinton, a middle of the road Republican who talked like a Democrat...not sure that is holding high the torch of freedom, of health care for all, for a place for the poor and the powerless. Democrats, don't surrender to fear, elect someone who will use our freedom to inspire us all. Hugh Massengill, Eugene Oregon

  216. @Hugh Massengill Bill Clinton only won with the help of a strong third party candidate diverting votes. Both elections. He never got 50% of the popular vote.

  217. @Hugh Massengill Absolutely right on! The Dems need to be comfortable with people who shower AFTER work. We need more BBQ and beer, less watercress finger sandwiches and Chardonnay. No “I have half a dream. Follow me, slowly” slogans like the Clintonistas (Biden, O’Rouke, Klobuchar...). And how can we minimize Perez’ moderate voice? We need BOLD, BIG, AUDACIOUS DREAMS. That’s always been America. A man on the moon in eight years when we don’t even have a decent rocket, computer or tracking system?!? Full-throated FDR Progressive ideas, dreams, guts - led by someone who says “follow me, we got this!”

  218. Gail, you say the Democrats are having a convention in Milwaukee, Wisconsin? That is not a good omen. Am I correct that in 1859 the Republicans were founded in Ripon, Wisconsin, about 100 miles north of Milwaukee? Look what happened to the Republican Party: it lost its way and became Trump. I hope 100 years hence no one says the Democrats lost their way and embraced their own version of Trumpism.

  219. @Martina They did. Clinton.

  220. The moderates' slogan will be "There's nothing to do." The progressives' slogan will be "How do you get to Madison?" And the candidates' slogan will be "Obama said he'd endorse me."

  221. Thanks, a joy to read! Thanks Gail.

  222. my wife and i lived in wisconsin for a short time. while there, one news story dominated the news for a few days in our rural community. apparently during a party one evening, a proud owner of a cannon wanted to show his guests how it still worked and loaded it up with a bowling ball. boom. off went the bowling ball hurling through space into the next door neighbors pasture, traumatizing and seriously injuring one of the horses. so. a word of caution to those visiting. keep your head down and wear a helmut at all times. you just never know.

  223. On a very side note, the Milwaukee airport is really nice.

  224. A play on a beer slogan ? Hmm...let's go with "It's Mueller Time" - all the Dem conventioneers could wear pins showing their support for law and order, with a pic of the former FBI Director (lifetime GOP'er) as background to the slogan :) Plus, it should appeal to those 78,000 cross-over voters that Dems need to reclaim from Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania to win the Electoral College instead of just the measly (deepest sarcasm) popular vote.

  225. How about, "'Forward, randomly," as a slogan? Seems about where we are right now.

  226. The democrat candidate for prez will not repeat the mistake of Hillary by ignoring the midwest and factory worker. Trump won by a fluke ,Comey trashing Hillary, the Russians hacking and facebook trolling and Hillary hubris taking the middle class worker for granted. Trump and the GOP rammed thru tax cuts for the rich and powerful giving the economy a sugar high. The market boomed on stock buybacks but the middle class has modest holding in the market and a recession could wipe out the gains easily. Infrastructure would be the better investment for the middle class but McCONNELL and the gop fight for the donor class and they got their tax cut and deregulation of polluters.

  227. @REBCO Good points. I agree that the Democratic candidate will probably not make the mistakes of the prior campaign. The heartland cannot be ignored to win in 2020 and Democrats must sensibly address the concerns of the Midwest industrial workers. Let us face the facts. The Democrats will not loose the New York metropolitan area, metro Chicago, California and most of the Northeast. There are many disaffected independent voters who are not pleased with Mr. Trump and his ability to lead, plan, etc. These good people are a key to Democratic win in 2020.

  228. I don't see the problem. Ojibwa, Potawatomi and Menominee are all Algonquian languages.

  229. @CJW Zwart Don't bother us or our president with facts.

  230. You forgot Milwaukee is the home to the Fonz and Laverne and Shirley. So the slogans could be: A) Aaaaay; B) Hossenpfeffer Inc.; C) Lenny and Squiggy busting in saying 'hello!'; D) Sit on it.

  231. @Mike Volkman (E) Home of The Fonz

  232. @Mike Volkman You forgot: "We want to run, and run free."

  233. Ah, the slogan. An exercise in putting lots of meaning into few enough words that anyone can remember them. For some reason, this made me think of Dan Quayle. "If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure."

  234. @KJ Thanks! Best belly laugh I've had in months!

  235. @KJ, "Potatoe"

  236. @KJ Or "What a terrible thing it is not to have a mind - or to loose one."

  237. Milwaukee is a great place to visit. Wonderful German food from Mader’s, the closed Karl Ratzsch and others. Ferry service across the lake and a Hiawatha Line ride to Chicago.

  238. @Dan Gotta love the fish fry at the Turnverin Hall. Not just during Lent, either!

  239. @Dan Mader's is nice, but you can also can bike from downtown to a beer garden along the Milwaukee River, hear some authentic live polka, have a pint of brew in a stein, and eat a brat. We've got Bublr bikes everywhere now--or you can rent one for the day at the lakefront after buying and flying a kite, checking out the Les Paul exhibit at Discovery World, and paddleboating on the lagoon.

  240. If nothing else, Milwaukee is the city you want your flight to be diverted to, because it has an actual, real, honest-to-God bookstore in the airport. Renaissance Books. You can look it up.

  241. @drsophila. Yes I love that bookstore! You can easily while away some hours browsing the quirky selection.

  242. @Richard - I did that when I lived in the suburbs north of Chicago. Loved stopping by Renaissance Books to make sure I had enough reading material for the trip! Of course, Midwest Express (oh, how I miss it!) was another excellent reason to fly out of Mitchell.

  243. @Julie Carter I’m familiar with Gibson’s (which is truly great), but where is the other one?

  244. "A great place by a great lake" is a wonderful slogan compared to the dreichest ever, belonging to a Scottish new town. At one time its slogan was "What's it called? Cumbernauld." A wee way to the east was "Life is for Livingston". My favourite ever slogan referred to the local government organisation centring a large area on a city. All the outer towns, which were separate boroughs, were included. This led to the slogan "Great Britain- Greater Manchester".

  245. As my mother used to say...."Milwaukee, a nice place to be from." She was thrilled when I left Milwaukee (my hometown) and moved to NYC so she could come to NYC to visit me.

  246. Put it in Reverse, Milwaukee.