Why Is Russia Helping Venezuela?

Mar 08, 2019 · 42 comments
WT (Denver)
The idea that US sanctions are responsible for Venezuela’s economic situation is ludicrous. Chavez borrowed heavily when oil prices were high, and gradually overextended the country’s finances. Part of these loans were spent on social programs, and some went to very expensive arbitration cases arising from the nationalization of companies, but a great deal of this was siphoned off to pay party loyalists. The sanctions passed by both the Obama and Trump administrations is/was intended to punish specific individuals within the Maduro government as well as to prevent the regime from continuing to borrow into the future. Are those sanctions working? Probably not, as long as Russia gives Venezuela a line of credit.
Red Allover (New York, NY)
This sinister and cynical article is trying to justify the coming US attack on Venezuela as Reagan justified his secret war against Nicaragua--to counter the bogeyman of Soviet (now Russian) threats. But Russia now has an economy smaller than Italy's. American & other NATO troops line its borders. Russia presents no threat to the USA. . . . . Here is what the Foreign Minister of Venezuela told Amy Goodman: "Because the coup failed, now . . . that's going to be a war on Venezuela . . .Venezuelan people are going to die. There's going to be bloodshed. But also American soldiers will die, Marines will die in Venezuela, because we know how to resist. We are ready to defend or homeland. But that's not what we want. I believe that the American people . . . can stop this from happening, this insane proposal of invading Venezuela. And this is the right time to do it." . . . Americans of conscience must say: Hands off Venezuela! No more blood for oil!
ron dion (monson mass)
Yah here we go!
Hector (Bellflower)
And many wealthy Venezuelan people hated the overly generous Chavez and did everything they could to make his program fail, fallowing farms and businesses, sending cash abroad, sabotaging the economy, I believe, and it just got worse under Maduro who, like Trump, was in way way over his head.
John Wilson (Ny)
You have a country of 50 million without power for a second day because of the ravages of socialism and I can't find a single article in this newspaper about it. Pretty mind blowing. I would say it is the most important story on the planet right now. A country has collapsed because of a flawed economic model. Especially in this time of renewed talk of socialism in the US, this paper has an obligation remind todays youth how bad it is.
Hector (Bellflower)
@John Wilson, John W., Socialism did not fail, people failed. Individuals failed to do their jobs properly, people wasted government resources, government officials hired crooks and fools to manage utilities, housing, and government services. Law enforcement--always crooked in that country--failed. Too many people were on the dole when they should have been working on farms and in businesses, hiring Colombians and others to do their low wage labor. Nepotism (are you paying attention, Trump?) was rampant. It was not socialism but corruption, greed, stupidity, ignorance--the same things that can ruin America.
dearworld2 (NYC)
@John Wilson. Guess you’re not looking at the front page of the online N.Y. Times. It details the ravages of this second day of energy blackout. Socialism did not collapse the Venezuelan economy. Corruption and mismanagement among the political elite did that. Perhaps you need to do some research on socialism. Solicialism has brought Americans things such as....Medicare...,social security....public schools...public libraries....highways Things that society bands together to create for the common good. So you need to be thankful for many of the good things that American ‘socialism’ has brought to your life.
fFinbar (Queens Village, nyc)
Story on page A9 of the March 8 print edition. 3-8-19, 716 pm.
J. von Hettlingen (Switzerland)
As the political crisis in Venezuela drags on, Russia is divided over its support for Maduro, pitting “pragmatic technocrats and career diplomats” against the hawkish “defense and security establishment.” Russian oil companies like Rosneft want to make sure that their investments and loans will be safe in the event of a regime change. They urge the Kremlin to reach out to the opposition to secure their interests there. The hawks in Moscow see Venezuela as a venue to flex muscles in America’s backyard. Although two Russian nuclear bombers had been flown to Venezuela in December, and Russian contractors linked to the Wagner group, which has carried out clandestine missions in Ukraine and Syria, had reportedly travelled to Venezuela in January, it’s most unlikely that Russia will double down on its military role there. The geographical distance poses a challenge. Besides, there’s no ally in the region, that could lay the groundwork for a Russian intervention. In Syria, Russians could rely on Iran. The conflict was multi-layered with many regional players – Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran – involved with opposing interests, in contrast to Latin American leaders, who have adopted a unified stance against Maduro.
RLW (Chicago)
Russia's support for the Maduro government will not make Russia more popular in Venezuela or the rest of Latin America. They will need to bring in billions to just feed the Venezuelan economy. Russia has enough oil of it's own so all they can do for reimbursementt is help Venezuela sell its oil to buyers elsewhere in the world. Let them prop up the failing Maduro regime. Russia will suffer the consequences, and the people may at least be prevented from starving. Look at the history of Cuba to see how that turned out. Of course Cuba was never as desperate as Venezuela, but Cuba did not have oil reserves. Let Russia stew in its own mess. America First!
David (Washington State)
The articles in the Times repeat the idea that it is Maduros' economic performance that has tanked their economy but if Trump suddenly lost 7% of the GDP and was unable to access the income from the biggest US exports how do you think he would fare?
RLW (Chicago)
The Venezuelan future is for the Venezuelan people to decide. Neither Mr Putin nor Mr Trump should involve their countries in this purely internal civil war. If Russia interferes as they did for decades in Cuba, let the Russians suffer the consequences, which they will. Venezuelans can remake their future without Maduro. But until that happens they will suffer and no one outside of the country can or has the right to interfere.
dearworld2 (NYC)
@RLW. Absolutely! Let those Venezuelan children and babies suffering from malnutrition caused by a government that refuses to allow humanitarian aid come in to save them...let them starve to death! We American Christians know better than to interfere....after all...they’re only foreigners.
WT (Denver)
@RLW I agree the US must stay out of any direct involvement with the Venezuelan situation. But there is an obvious crisis of legitimacy. Maduro won the election by banning two of the most popular candidates, Henrique Capriles and Leopoldo López, and threatening to withdraw access to social programs to those who failed to vote, all the while using state media and state finances for Maduro's campaign. Respecting Venezuelan sovereignty means calling for new elections, which Maduro has refused to do. As it stands, there is no domestic or foreign solution to any of this, and sadly, the Venezuelan people will continue to suffer.
LizziemaeF (CA)
Woe to all of us, most especially citizens of Venezuela, if this situation devolves into a proxy war. Deft diplomacy, allowing Russia to maintain some of its commercial interests, offering Maduro a cushy exile, guaranteeing free elections, and restoring the Assembly’s former legislative powers would be the best outcome for all concerned. Sadly, The US seems to be fresh out of deft diplomats...
WillydeBerger (France)
@LizziemaeF. Not John Bolton then?
N. Smith (New York City)
There's little reason to doubt Russia will come down on the side of the Maduro government; not only to vex any intentions of the U.S., but to obtain a foothold in this part of the hemisphere while keeping tabs on Venezuela's vast oil reserves.
Jabin (Everywhere)
@N. Smith " ... keeping tabs on Venezuela's vast oil reserves" Interestingly, the US with all its energy independence seems to be very preoccupied with everybody else's. Not surprisingly, the US has placed itself at odds with one of the few state defenders of Christianity.
SMPH (MARYLAND)
in bonding with Maduro Russia is in the better position for the outcome .. they play both ends against the middle .. the bombers were a violation of the Monroe Doctrine..
bruno (caracas)
"..Mr. Maduro’s..............has led the opposition to claim the country’s leadership with the support of the United States, the European Union and most South American nations." Correction: Mr. Maduro's fraudulent reelection has forced the only remaining legitimate democratically elected institution in the country, The National Assembly and his president Juan Guaido to claim Venezuelan leadership, as the Venezuelan constitution dictates. Guaido's role as interim president has been recognized by over 50 countries. These countries include: Canada, the United States, the European Union and most South American nations.
alvaror (Houston)
What this article fails to state is that the US is involved again in regime change, threatening once more time to use of force in South America. Most countries of the world do not support the coup leader Guaido. Mexico, for instance, has refused to get involved, citing the principles of the Mexican constitution against intervention in the internal affairs of other countries, the right of self determination of nations and refusal to use force in international affairs. This article also tries to smear Venezuela with the anti-Russian fervor (a residual form of the anti-communism used against the former Soviet Union) currently in vogue in this country. Let Venezuela determine its own future and No TO US Intervention in Venezuela.
WT (Denver)
@alvaror Opposition to foreign interference is the price of admission for any reasonable discussion about Venezuela. But I am frustrated that many on the left blithely ignore the question that inevitably follows: Given that Maduro banned anyone who had any chance of winning from the previous election, what is anyone to do with an illegitimate government? Pretending against all evidence that US sanctions is the cause of the economic crisis (or more bizarrely, pretending the crisis is a media conspiracy), as the common response is, is absurd in the extreme. I think the only answer is to force Maduro into calling for new elections, something he has repeatedly refused to do. There is no obvious solution to any of this.
phacker (florida)
“goal is liquidation of governments of inconvenient countries" an easily refer to Russia's operation in Ukraine, not to mention other "inconvenient" countries in the region.
Charlie (NJ)
There aren't a lot of nations within the Russian orbit with thriving economies.
J Albers (Cincinnati, Ohio)
Venezuela has been pushed into the arms of Russia over the past 20 years as both Democratic and Republican administrations attempted to undermine the economic democratization taking place in Venezuela beginning with support for the opposition's 2002 failed coup against Chavez. Conditions in Venezuela are terrible and getting much worse, but not because of the real or exaggerated mismanagement of the economy or political-business corruption. It's the US sanctions that have expanded and deepened the the recession in Venezuela following the halving of the price of oil (around $98 to $48 per barrel) during 2015. The revenue loss from falling oil sales led to less dollars for the maintenance and necessary investment in the oil sector which resulted in a drop in production. Illegal sanctions - per the Organization of American States' by-laws - intensified under the tRump administration, as they initially blocked the PDVSA and Maduro government's access to necessary financial services around the globe costing billions of dollars. Recent sanctions prohibiting payment for delivered oil and CITGO profits have cost the government billions. These are the dollars that financed the expansion of education, health care, housing and food programs to the most vulnerable in Venezuela and the funds that allowed the private sector to import what they needed for production. The policy is to make the Venezuelan economy scream and hurt as many people as possible.
Jose Ragazzi (Winnipeg, Canada)
@J Albers The image of the fist in your picture says everything I need to know. Is the money that have ended in the pockets of the Chavez family and alies what is needed to recover the economy of Venezuela. Not to mention the fact that they control absolutelly all levels of public and formerly private companies, that do not produce anything, but rich bureocrats that, by the way, love to go and spend that stolen money in the US. But I don't think you'll see them in Cincinatti, OH; that's not cool. And Yes, I'm a Venezuelan that changed that devastated "left paradise" for the cold weather up north, because unfortunately there are too many people that still believe socialism / comunism really cares for the people, so my country would probably never be the same...
J Albers (Cincinnati, Ohio)
@Jose Ragazzi If you're Venezuelan then you should know that political-business corruption is a persisting feature of the Venezuelan economy, not a inherent feature of Chavismo. Some might even say it's as Venezuelan as arepas! Opposition parties have a long history of political and business corruption, remember the "2 Apostles"? And there hasn't been anything close to the repression of the 1989 Caracazo under Chavismo. I have venezuelan friends whose parents were really tortured in the 1960s. Well, maybe you;ve forgotten your history already. Good luck in Canada and stay warm!
PC (Aurora, Colorado)
Anyone who thinks Russia cares for Venezuela, its citizens, or Maduro is misreading the situation. Russia cares for one thing: oil Venezuela is the 12th largest producer/exporter. The only policy Russia cares about is NOT having the U.S. control this output because it affects Russia’s economic interests. And in turn, Putin’s viability.
Viking 1 (Atlanta)
@PC The last thing Russia needs is more oil. It is the 3rd largest producer in the world! Rather, it is yet another Russian ploy to weaken US influence wherever possible. It unfortunately will drive the US to react and justify its traditional imperialist policies in Latin America.
X-Rusky (Vancouver)
@PC "Anyone who thinks Russia cares for Venezuela, its citizens, or Maduro is misreading the situation." Absolutely correct - It's the job of Venezuela's own government to care about its people. And BTW US does not care about the people in Venezuela either, despite the declarations from Guadios' camp. If it takes over, the best it has in stock for Venezuela will the economic austerity measures akin the "shock therapy", so that the population will remember Maduro's days of "economic mismanagement" as the good old times.
Portola (Bethesda)
Perhaps Maduro can receive sanctuary in Russia. It would be better if he left peacefully, and after all his crimes, he must fear relinquishing power.
LWK (Long Neck, DE)
Even as a member the Democratic Party, I approve of the United States support of Mr. Guido. Russia has no business butting in the affairs of any country in South America. We need to continually enforce the Monroe Doctrine, which we failed to do right on our door step with Cuba.
EGD (California)
@LWK I find it amazing and completely telling that you have to preface your support for liberty with ‘(e)ven as a member (of) the Democratic Party...’ All Americans used to support freedom without qualification in foreign lands. Modern-day Democrats need a qualifier if the totalitarian regime is leftist. My how times have changed.
Ced (Canada)
@LWK "Russia has no business butting in the affairs of any country in South America" why would this be any different for the USA? South America is not in fact the Unites-State's "backyard" but rather a collection of independent countries should be treated as such. I don't wholeheartedly support Muduro, but this mentality that the West has rights (or even the responsibility) to over see and regulate Latin american politics is both rooted in racism and prone to failure. Diplomatic channels must emphasized in finding a peaceful compromise that will help the Venezuelan economy while empowering the people to have discretion over their future.
EGD (California)
@Ced The US does in fact has a vested strategic interest in ensuring chaos does not occur in its backyard, and South and Central America is its backyard. Ditto for Canada. Things would be easier, of course, if some of the nations in America’s backyard fulfilled their collective defense spending obligations for alliances like NATO, for example, instead of smugly posturing, decided to use its hard-earned democratic institutions to support liberty in places like Cuba instead of supporting the dictatorship there, etc.
mainliner (Pennsylvania)
Russia consistently backs the deplorables. Except in Syria, because even Russia wouldn't stoop to back ISIS. Russia is stuck in Venezuela. Made your bed, now lie in it.
Rafael (NYC)
@mainliner Neither U.S. or Russian actions are motivated by humanitarian ideals. The U.S. also backs deplorables when doing so is to its economic or strategic self-interest. Saudi Arabia and Prince Salmen has the full support of the Trump Administration, despite butchering WP Journalist Khashoggi with absolute impunity.
Aurace Rengifo (Miami Beach, Fl.)
Mostly true with a caveat. Get in line, Russia. Behind China. The line is not to mediate. The Line is to negotiate with Guaido and the National Assembly and, the next president of Venezuela after elections. Get over it. If Putin thinks that the crisis in Venezuela is a way of the West to undermine him, then we found the creature on earth with a bigger ego than Trump. He should look back at the time he was KGB and remember what communism does to the world. By the way, different from social democracy.
Mike (NY)
“Mr. Maduro’s catastrophic economic mismanagement has led the opposition to claim the country’s leadership with the support of the United States, the European Union and most South American nations.” This is not true. The fraudulent presidential election has caused the democratically-elected leader of the parliament to ascend to the presidency, per the Venezuelan constitution. I’m tired of news stories ignoring this fact. Mr. Guaido is not making this up as he goes along. Secondly, Russia telling the United States to stay out of other country’s affairs is absolutely laughable. This is the country that invaded the Ukraine in 2014.
Rafael (NYC)
@Mike GWB was, arguably, fraudulently elected in 2000. Should any country or group of countries either invaded the U.S. or rallied behind AG, ignoring U.S. sovereignty and International Law?
Charlie (NJ)
@Rafael Huh? The GWB election has a similarity to what is going on in Venezuela???
EGD (California)
@Rafael GWB was ‘arguably’ falsely elected? Only in the fever swamps of the Left. No way this nation was going to let local county Democrats steal an election for Gore like they did in Illinois for Kennedy in 1960. Party hacks ballots up to the lights to divine votes for Democrats, using lawyers to deny votes from military members, ad nauseam. Oh, and the SCOTUS voted 7-2 to shut the Democrat shenanigans down, thankfully.