Jeff Bezos, Please Release Your Dirty Selfies

It’s for the good of the country. Especially our kids.

Comments: 236

  1. I agree with the basic idea behind this column. It is past-due time that people let go of the facade of "innocence." The sooner that happens, the sooner society ceases to reward those who are particularly adept at creating and maintaining a facade. These are hardly the people we want to celebrate. With each new generation, the share of people who have created and traded nude selfies has increased substantially. There is no positive value to pretending this is not so.

  2. @Flaminia I haven't. My wife hasn't. Is that merely a facade?

  3. @Flaminia But what is wrong with "innocence" ? What is wrong with maintaining some reasonable expectation that your image --naked or clothed --should be an inviolate part of one's being, something to be shared volitionally, and not as part of a blackmail scheme?

  4. @Flaminia You're sure that young children don't deserve for their innocence to be preserved anymore ? Did you ever notice that infants possess an astonishing, prescient way of looking right through adults, as if they could truly see into them ? Perhaps they are seeing and sensing some lack in those who are said to be their protectors.

  5. Yes. This analysis is spot on. Closets are for clothes. The more reveal of ourselves the less we have to fear from others. Privacy is a trap.

  6. Go for it. Post your selfies. Transparency rules.

  7. I don’t believe for a second that 88 percent of adults have sent (or even possess) naked pictures of themselves. And while I like Dan Savage and generally support his efforts to get America to lighten up about sex and sexuality, I think Jeff Bezos’ reaction is exactly like that the vast majority of folks would have if faced with public revelation of nude photos of themselves. The lesson here is not to put oneself entirely on public display, but rather that we all should remember that nothing posted online or sent electronically can be presumed private.

  8. What you believe doesn't have to be connected with reality. Exchanging salacious photos is a ubiquitous practice, even if the Puritans among us would prefer not to believe it.

  9. Believe or not, I think the statistics are accurate!

  10. 88 percent? Puhleez!!!

  11. Why the heck didn't Mr. Bezos use an encrypted chat app? I don't expect him to release the photos, and I don't think he should have to. But I'm surprised he was so cavalier about his privacy.

  12. To recall a phrase from the past in a different context, "Have you no sense of decency?" Yikes this is offensive.

  13. Sorry, this is insane. We are urged to violate our privacy so that others are not similarly constrained. Err... NO. I don't know where I got the idea that Dan Savage was a serious commentator. Why doesn't he ask that the editorial board expose themselves and see if that gets published.

  14. @wnhoke Mr Savage did not ASK Mr Bezos to expose himself, so your proposal makes no sense.

  15. ...Or maybe Jeff Bezos' situation might encourage people to think twice before creating compromising material of themselves.

  16. It seems to me very plausible that Bezos was caught in a honeytrap and sting. He should have known better than to have an affair with a FOX news reporter whose own brother is a rabid Trump supporter. This really forces us to question his judgment, including his famous business savvy.

  17. @Pinchas Liebman "It seems to me very plausible that Bezos was caught in a honeytrap and sting. It sure does. However, I would have though that Jeff Bezos would have been too smart to fall for such a trap.

  18. @Pinchas Liebman Bezos is a sleazy adulterer with all the judgement of a stereotypical teenage boy. His business success only proves that some people have a good idea at the right time and enough luck and persistence to see it through--nothing to do with intelligence or “savvy”.

  19. @Pinchas Liebman I think that they (Mr. Bezos and Mrs. Sanchez) truly loved each other and did not expect this mess to happen

  20. Hmm, no thanks. Most women do not want to see society become more sexually explicit. It is just not our thing.

  21. @springtime Hypocrisy at it's best!

  22. @Indisk Indisk, your location says it all!

  23. @springtime And most men as well. Not all men like this. We are only naked in front of our wife, and not anyone else and not all the time either.

  24. Actually, just send one pic of anybody's to everybody. They all look the same.

  25. Almost all the same. Variety is the spice of life. Yum.

  26. @C Wolf Except, apparently, Trump's.

  27. @C Wolf Actually, they are all the same in overall design, but there are differences, meaningful ones.

  28. Ah, you gotta love Dan Savage. Part tongue in cheek, part serious, and 100% amusing. The real truth is that society is built on hypocrisy. It allows us to function with some sense of daily dignity. We're wouldn't know what to do without it.

  29. @jeffg Thank you, JeffG. Based on scanning through other comments (sorted by most "liked"), I was beginning to think I was the only one who has ever heard of Dan Savage, let alone read his columns or listened to his podcasts. ITMFA

  30. @jeffg Yeah, I think the general age of commenters on the NYT is probably more than 50 which is why many are not familiar with Dan. Having grown up in Seattle, I still remember the day when he gave a talk at my dorm. And his beginning columns for The Stranger. Dan is amazing at balancing truth with satire and humor.

  31. Bezos made his point. Releasing his photos is entirely unnecessary.

  32. "The National Enquirer [which] did more to put Donald Trump in the White House than perhaps anyone other than Vladimir Putin." aren't you forgetting James Comey, the mainstream media so obsessed with appearing *fairly balanced," the American voting public and even Hillary Clinton herself?

  33. Just wanted to say LOVE THIS. So smart, Dan.

  34. Thank you for referring to Lauren Sanchez as his "girlfriend." I'm fed up with female partners of adulterous men being referred to as "mistress," which unfortunately you did also do in this column.

  35. Yes, and one would guess all billionaires are straight males.

  36. @Susan M Girlfriend? Home-wrecker would be more appropriate.

  37. @Don Juan Bezos was/ is a consenting adult. The woman didn't wreck his home. He wrecked his own home.

  38. The new way to salvation is a smart use of the word "We" - if used properly it will lead to forgiveness. From Northam to Bezos, from Weiner to Fairfax. And, of course, dirty pictures. And more of them, please.

  39. I doubt there were many women, and hopefully men, who did not love the scene in the second “Bridget Jones” film when Mark Darcy expresses appreciation for Bridget’s “wobbly bits,” and asks her not to hide them under the covers. It was a romantic, funny and sexy moment in the film for me, and I’m glad that it took place before the (according to this article) “trend” for sending “genitalia selfies” over the Internet. I just don’t think that scene would have had the same charming resonance if we’d known that Mark and Bridget had already been exchanging photos of their “wobbly” and “dangly” bits beforehand. I guess I’m showing my age.

  40. Ok, I've never sent a nude photo, nor will I. However, I hear the young people laughing about this subject when they think the oldsters are not listening. They don't think it is serious, so maybe Mr. Savage is right about this subject. Just don't send any to me, please.

  41. I agree with Mr. Savage, but would like to point out an important issue: Mr. Bezos was violated. And that violation is of a sexual nature. We cannot overlook, or dismiss, that.

  42. @H.L. Mr Bezos also "violated" his wife by having a mistress while he was still married. Does not speak much to his character!

  43. @Don Juan-Nor does the trio of lawyers he's hired: David Boie who paid Israeli investigators to dig up dirt on Harvey Weinsteins' victims, Jonathan Sherman who previously represented The National Enquirer's parent company AMI as it worked to squash negative stories about President Trump, and Martin Singer who represented Bill Cosby. When I read this list, I worried that Bezos is going after his (former) wife as each of these lawyers seem ethically challenged and extremely misogynist by who they choose to represent. I hope Mrs. Bezos reviews www.chumplady.com. Lots of sage advice from women who've been similarly wronged. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/business/media/jeff-bezos-ami-nationa.

  44. Mr. Bezos has not acknowledged that these were selfies. It appears they may have been obtained through telescopic lens. He doesnt owe explanations of his personal life to the general public.

  45. @pb: Incorrect. The photos were selfies. This was clearly acknowledged in the article Bezos wrote for Medium wherein he exposed AMI’s blackmail.

  46. To each their own, but what I’d really like to see exposed is American Media by federal prosecutors. I’m sure that will paint a much dirtier picture than anything Bezos has to share.

  47. @T It appears likely that the National Enquirer's attempt to blackmail Jeff Bezos will result in the outcome you desire. Hopefully, Jeff Bezos is about to expose American Media, and the Emperor in Chief, himself, for in the end, it is the Emperor who has no clothes.

  48. The logical conclusion of Savage’s idea is that we should all walk around without pants, at least in warmer weather. I’m not sure I want to live in that world. In my 70s, I’m not crazy about what I see in the mirror, and I certainly don’t want to force all of you to share the experience.

  49. @T This wins the NYT comment section this week. Perfect. (And I'm with you.)

  50. Is this really the issue of our time; i.e. pornographic selfies?

  51. Thanks Mr Savage, but I'm already feeling I have no place to hide from in my face revelations of american bodies. Maybe you should just go ahead and release your own, but do it in your closet, please.

  52. I cannot think of anything funnier than have people send nude photos of themselves. Talk about a narcissistic endeavor.

  53. Ew, release-a-dirty pic day. No thanks.

  54. No, please don't. I don't really want to see it.

  55. Right on Dan!

  56. What ridiculous advice from a guy who has been known to give some real doozies out passing as "sex advice." While I have read and enjoyed his columns in the past, I would not rely upon him for sex or relational advice, and you shouldn't either. Everyone is entitled to some expectation of privacy, whether clothed or unclothed, and to suggest otherwise is sheer nonsense.

  57. @javamaster The advice is not about privacy, it’s about de-shaming nude photos--removing their power to wreck lives and reputations. I say don’t take them to begin with, but I would support Savage’s idea anyway.

  58. You first, Dan. Many would enjoy a peek.

  59. @macbill Not me, if it bears any relationship to the 'quality' of his writing.

  60. There is no innocence in JB’s publicly published behavior. He’s not hiding by not producing those photos. Dan Savage, what are you going to do with these photos? Show them to your kids and say, “Don’t do like Jeff does?” This is an idiotic column, about as subtle as deserved while still being direct.

  61. No, your sexts wouldn’t change the world, but it would show that you have some skin in the game. You wouldn’t be asking others to be braver for you. What say?

  62. Haha, this was brilliant.

  63. What a time to be alive.

  64. Someone has lost all perspective. Is this in the NY Times? We are all better than this.

  65. @T. O'Rourke No, no we're not!

  66. @T. O’Rourke All of the commenters not familiar with the work of Dan Savage should google his name. And T. O”Rourke, you should lighten up--this is exactly the point Savage is trying to make. Nudie selfies only have whatever power attitutes like yours give them.

  67. @T. O'Rourke. Thanks. Some corrupt business people may be tearing down government & we get news about rich people's selfies, gloating over someone's divorce, insults, and lies. How's the water quality in Flints, Michigan? Or your town? Is the EPA acting director busy helping coal mine owners poison local streams. A student's parent had a heart attack and she dropped a class to be part-time but the federal aid rules said no and cut all her aid. Ed Sec DeVos isn't helping our students or our schools. One third of federal jobs are vacant and our government may be shut down again in 4 days. US. journalists are murdered and dismembered without our State Department doing anything to protect them. But yes, let's ignore nation's needs and drive up fear and anxiety over some rich guy's stupid pics. A crime syndicate with help of a foreign adversary may be dismantling our country - and we should be distracted by supermarket tabloid nonsense. Auughh!

  68. I agree completely. The more people in the public eye voluntarily publish their "dirty pics"--I prefer "anatomical selfies," since I don't think naked body parts are dirty--the more such pics are deprived of the power to destroy people's lives. Let's begin with Hollywood types, starting with, say, Liam Neeson. He could not only get the ball rolling but divert attention from his recent negative PR. Liam, are you listening?

  69. @Cufflink Why Liam Neeson? I mean, he's OK, but he is going onto 70. I would be more interested in.... Sorry, can't say, that would be sexual harassment!

  70. Sorry , sending nude photos is not normal ; perhaps egotistical and insecure . If the "ME" culture is normal as opposed to dysfunctional and all about me(where the world revolves) ; I say it's sociopathic . When an indiscretion becomes public for all to see , then nothing is private and renders dirty pictures mundane to giggle over and sensationalistic for those who aim to shame . A pic of someone's genitalia is not sexy nor pornographic but encyclopedic topography in a medical journal . Just don't do it .

  71. @sm You may not want it to be normal, but it is. Labeling those who share these sorts of photos as "sociopathic" just because you don't like it is more extreme than the behavior that you're condemning.

  72. @sm Oh, thank heavens! A comment from the "Normal Police" just arrived! How would we know what is normal and not normal if not for you, @sm?

  73. @Jen and East/West: it's not abnormal in the clinical sense, but it is a depressing lack of dignity, class, privacy and simple adult behavior. I am not shocked that teens show off this way, clueless to the fact that such stuff lives on, with the internet and social media -- that a teen does not realize that today's "new boyfriend" is tomorrow's loser and skank -- I AM shocked that men of 55 and 56 do not process this, or that women actually believe this makes them seem "desirable".

  74. Extortion and blackmail are ugly; belief in on-line privacy is plain dumb.

  75. Nice editorial Dan! You do good work, however, candid, frank and to the point, but let's get Mr. Trump to release some selfies and prove to us that he's not as short in the shorts as Stormy Daniels says he is: he could prove to us his manliness once and for all!

  76. @neb nilknarf And put to rest comparison to fungae.

  77. @neb nilknarf Nobody wants to see that, I am pretty darn sure.

  78. @neb nilknarf , ew. No. Just no. Please not that!

  79. I assume this essay was not written as satire, like some postmodern “A Modest Proposal.” That being the case, Mr. Savage, are you kidding? I agree that Bezos did the right thing by hitting the Enquirer hard and describing the texts in question. But to actually publish them? Yikes! Think of the impact on Bezos’ children, who’ve already been humiliated enough. I won’t judge their morality, but people are just plain stupid if they send, receive, or store photos of their privates. Look what happened to Anthony Weiner. If you’ve got them on your smartphone now, hit the delete button. And while you are at it, clear your device’s browser history at least once a day. And New York Times, why would you ever publish an essay like this?

  80. @Mark Siegel Those poor Bezos children. How is it that so many parents don't consider their children ? How could someone as smart as Jeff Bezos take and "sext" nude selfies ? Also, parents should cease and desist from taking and posting nude photos of their babies ,and sharing them, by any means. Fortunately, social media and cell phones didn't exist when my parents thought taking a photo of me sitting on a potty as a baby was a good idea. While my body was not exposed, I found that photo to be embarrassing, and took the liberty of removing what I hope was the only copy from my mother's photo album . Given that my father had to run what looked like a Chapstick over the Polaroids he took, I believe it was the only photo. Thank goodness that photo was taken in 1963, and not in 2019.

  81. @Mark Siegel Yes, their father's genitals would be on the internet. Then what? Literally then what happens? How are kids affected by it? I'm not saying it's good, I'm just sick of vague references to "what about the children" with little critical thought behind them.

  82. Bravo, Dan Savage!

  83. Nice try to attempt a spin from the real issue at hand: Political and sexual extortion by AMI exposed by Mr. Bezos and corroborated by journalist Ronan Farrow. So, I wonder, what does AMI have on you, Mr. Savage?

  84. @Susanna He is not spinning anything nor is he taking anything away from the real issue. The real issue in fact is what he is pointing out. The ability of extortionists to extort people by way of getting access to their privacies. That's the issue, not whatever you are imagining here.

  85. @Indisk Don't presume to characterize what I'm 'imagining.'

  86. @Susanna "So, I wonder, what does AMI have on you, Mr. Savage?" That's really quite a cheap shot Susanna. I don't see that Savage was in any way trying to diminish the significance of AMI's, Pecker's and its/his lackey's outrageous and criminal behavior.

  87. Please Mr. Bezos, keep your selfies to yourself.

  88. @lswonder 100% agree. This op-ed was sickening. Bezos releasing his pics would not serve to benefit anyone or our society. Period.

  89. Of all the Op-Ed columns I've read throughout the years, this is by far the most ridiculous column ever written. Maybe it was meant as tongue in cheek, but I'm guessing not. It would make sense if today was April 1st. But no... What has our world come to when such a stupid concept is given any merit at all by the Times? Allowing a column such as this any validity at all is baffling to me.

  90. @David If you are not sure whether or not this column is tongue in cheek, you have a problem. As for Mr. Bezos, this recent episode proves again that all the money in the world does not make a decent man. At least he is not murdering people like Mohammed bin Salman.

  91. @David Oh, for heaven's sake.

  92. @David. Agreed.

  93. Great perspective. I agree. Consier--there is so much tsk-tsking about the Bezos (text) texts, when in reality they are just completely normal, sweet, and for those of us who haven't actually exchanged nude photos (I'm a generation or two too late), are representative of our own texts to our spouse/significant other. But because it's "lifting the curtain" they are somehow titillating and embarrassing?

  94. @Ricardo Dear Ricardo, "...sweet...?" you must be kidding. Saccharine for sure, but sweet..." Jeff Bezos is not sweet and his sexts are hardly praiseworthy. He has abused his employees for decades and profited handsomely. It is hard for me to find anything meritorious in Mr. Bezos life history.

  95. @gpickard I'm talking about his texts, not his life or business practices. And "normal and sweet" does not equal praiseworthy; rather, the point is that they are completely mundane.

  96. The author states: Far from being a threat to our relationships, sexting correlated strongly “with greater sexual satisfaction, especially for those in a relationship.” If this is true of most people in a meaningful relationship in our society today, then I truly feel sorry for that majority.

  97. @ERAthen I truly feel sorry for that majority. Why? Why would sexting cause pity from you? People have written love letters that were explicit over the history of time. Do you feel sorry for those historical figures that engaged in that behavior too? Or is it because it is either over a cell network or the internet and not via a quill?

  98. @Mary I believe the author was encouraging Bezos to make public his nude and intimate pictures of himself sent to his girlfriend, not just words.

  99. Thanks for this bit of snark Dan. But mostly as a person who is virtually certain that there is no such pics of me anywhere you made me feel like the 2000 year old woman. Perhaps there is a benefit to getting married young and staying married. I guess it depends on your point of view. But at least I don't have these concerns. As Forrest Gump said so succinctly "one less thing."

  100. @Jenifer, I’m an old-married, too. I am 100 percent certain that if I were dating now (or even dozen years ago) I would not send anyone an intimate photo. Nor would I be happy to receive one from a man. I cannot, however, be certain that some of the men I dated when I was young (before cell phones, or BCP) would not have taken (without my permission) and shared a nude photo of me. Some of those men, I know now, were not trustworthy people. So that is another reason to de-weaponize the cell-phone-shared nude pic: sometimes it is taken without permission.

  101. @Jenifer As Bezos said. One less complexifier.

  102. @Jenifer Ahhhh.....nothing like a touch of self righteousness. We'd all like to think we have such tidy little lives.

  103. Great advice from Dan Savage. And, I'll add, Savage's call for us to stand-up against this 'weaponizing' of explicit pictures should also extend to inane and thoughtless texts, tweets, memes, etc. If someone uses the 'n' word in what they construe as an off-the-cuff, acceptable context among friends, should this be the basis of possibly being held as a smear on that person's professional or personal life for all eternity? Social media has taken judging and shaming on the thinnest of pretext to an extreme that would make our Puritan forefathers so very proud.

  104. @Common Sense How about of-the-cuff taped remarks? Say "grab them by the ..."?

  105. The organization I worked for over 20 years taught me this mantra at least 10 years ago: If it’s electronic, it’s not confidential. Period.

  106. @Hungrybrain Add to that: If it can be scanned, then it's potentially electronic. Sorry, the only way these days you can be reasonably certain any communication remains private is if you take the person you are communicating with out on a boat, then both get naked, jump overboard and have your conversation in the water, out or earshot of your boat. Not entirely fool-proof, but the person you are talking to would have to go to extreme lengths to record THAT conversation. It's that or Maxwell Smart's cone of silence. That never worked very well, as I recall, though....

  107. @Hungrybrain Very well said.

  108. I think there is a conflict between intimacy and publicity. While Mr. Savage is right that by making our nude bodies a source of embarrassment in our culture we create many other problems, I'm not sure that displaying private pictures in public solves any of them. What Jeff Bezos and others in charge of our technology need to learn from this is not how to be more liberated, but how to make sure that all of us have better privacy protections.

  109. This column is based on a presumption that releasing images of our naked bodies is a simple, matter of fact, transaction. But it isn't. For many of us, our unclothed selves are private and deeply emotional. We don't want former partners to have sexual photos of us to hold onto, let alone a wide viewing audience.

  110. No offense, Mr. Bezos, but please don't. And where did this author get 88%? I don't believe it. (Although I just remembered a former photographer boyfriend who took a picture of me years ago that, well ... often wondered what happened to it.)

  111. @CateS --- he says where he got the 88% figure from. It might be wrong, but he's not making it up.

  112. @Bruce. Yes, I saw that, thanks. I was simply more interested in the data he cites as evidence; for example, where and how the sample was collected, its demographic and other characteristics, etc.

  113. Dear Dan Savage, Your article is a bit confusing. As I understood Mr. Bezos and others like him, they feel their privacy was violated when someone obtained access to their "private photos". Adding in a blackmail attempt by the Enquirer amps up the notion; that, nude selfies should not be made public without permission. What is confusing to me is that you seem to be advocating that everyone relinquish their privacy by releasing nude selfies to the world. I can see that this might blunt the market for blackmail photos, but honestly, I don't want anyone sharing photos of me in the nude to whoever wants to look. It is a bit creepy. I have no nude selfies to share so I feel comforted in that, but if as uou report, many people do exchange such photos, how many of those people do you really believe are completely sanguine to share them with the world. I haven't taken a poll, but my guess is the majority would not. Perhaps your research shows otherwise. I would be interested to know.

  114. Is this a joke? Whatever happened to decency? Or modesty? Or common sense?

  115. Except for common sense, all the others are highly overrated.

  116. So it doesn’t matter to the shareholders that the pics are from an affair when he gave a vow to his wife and family? I don’t know doesn’t integrity count for anything anymore? I know these things happen but what dignity was given to his family by his decisions ?

  117. Um, not everyone has nude photos of themselves and, if they do, not everyone sends them out to others. Please, please do not encourage people to share. I really do not want to have more things to avoid in the media.

  118. Does Mr. Savage suggest that any below-the-belt photo cannot be convincing without a celebrity face?

  119. I don’t believe that our status (as one of the more puritanical countries, purportedly) has done us ANY good. We are great at suppression of sexual behaviors, gay-conversion “therapies”, and other energy wasting activities.....but what we seem to actually be doing is giving AMI (and others) leverage against all people, not just famous ones.

  120. Heck, why not go even further? When people are indoors or outdoors on nice warm days, why wear clothes at all? Mr. Bezos would have no worries with blackmail. And our current president, who gets so upset when people talk about his small hands, would settle that matter once and for all.

  121. Good advice. First, the people who think it's really exciting and edgy and adventurous to send nude pictures of themselves would be forced to admit that there is nothing sexy about a naked pencil-necked geek. In fact, it's creepy and cheesy, and those who find a thrill looking at such things are not cool but, instead, pathetic and lame. Second, the people, and particularly teenagers, who think that what they post on social media or text to each other is neither safe nor secure. If a guy who essentially owns the tech world and has an army of security people to make sure of it can get his grotty pictures hijacked by the sleazoids at The National Enquirer, you can be sure that your mom, dad, principal and police chief can get yours.

  122. "We’ve all taken and sent photos like the ones you sent your girlfriend. " "We’re all carrying little pornography studios around with us in our pockets." "So we do it online. We swipe left or right and start swapping texts with a stranger. The conversation quickly progresses from flirty to dirty and, before we know it, we’re exchanging nudes with that stranger." "We've all "?! ""We're all ?! ""We"?!! Speak for yourself and others like you whose judgement is so poor such that you choose to circulate nude photos of yourselves. There are millions of us who would never take a nude selfie, let alone "sext "it to anyone else. The only way a nude photo of me is going to be taken is if I am unconscious, or at gunpoint, which would not constitute a "Selfie". That Drexel University study was based on 870 people who were willing to participate in the study. Where is the evidence that those 870 people are representative of the general population in the U.S ?!

  123. @DJS I do have a few 'nudies' on my phone. They happen to be amazing ice sculpture replicas of iconic Greek statues. That is it. And summer took care of the ice art. Agreed about this wrong use of the 'royal we'. And why would any conversation about commingling be 'dirty' ? The author is the one in the dark ages. Spare us the stranger danger. Be honorable, it's always a good choice and makes it easier to live with oneself.

  124. I appreciate some of the snarky wit here if not the main point, but "JB, please don't!..." (Especially for our/your kids!) Nude sharing among most people is meant to be private. That is or should be the main point even if the privacy is not guaranteed. Does no one care about the “poor” girlfriend and more importantly, the poor kids of Bezos and the kids of all others who would submit themselves to such immense ridicule? His wife has already suffered bristling humiliation, but let’s not forget our empathy here either. Re: “we are all in danger of being blackmailed” if JB doesn’t release them, I think not, Dan. But thanks for the chuckles.

  125. Looking at Bezos' bald pate is enough for me. Hold the lettuce.

  126. I suppose this is one way to expose hypocrisy...and make privacy a scorn. Who said that today's technological prowess, in exposing each other, has not gone berzerk?

  127. Here's a possibly radical idea: Keep it for date night.

  128. Ah, nice to see a local boy in the NYT. Dan, I'd challenge that 88% figure, looks like some were bragging. I've never done this, my wife's never done this, and we're far from prudes. We're just smarter than that. This came up at a family function last summer with all her sibs and mine (10 in all, plus spouses). Only one admitted doing it once. The rest all said it's a stupid and unsafe thing to do.

  129. @J Darby I doubt people are going to admit to engaging in this behavior at a family function. I know I would not.

  130. @J Darby, What people say to their family members and what they do can vary greatly. Or even what they say to others. Take the Garbage Project, for example. They polled people on their drinking habits and then examined the the local landfill. For a community of people who had the occasional glass of wine or beer, there were a lot of liquor bottles. I’m not discussing the particulars of my sex life with my family or even my friends. My reticence should not be taken as a sign that I don’t have a sex life. Your relative who admitted to nude pics probably regretted admitting it, as they were the only one. The only one to admit it. You can be assured that one of your family members decided a discreet lie was a better choice. Don’t pry.

  131. @Mary I was expecting this response, it's what I might say. But folks don't know our family and how frank our discussions are. Especially after a few drinks.

  132. Thank you Dan for saying out loud what most of the adults out here are thinking. We need to grow up in this culture and be less hypocritical about almost everything we do, think, believe, and practice in the privacy of our own digs with whomever is a willing partner. What a relief it would be if we never again had to feign shock at behavior that is really more stupid than illicit. Take the power away from the slime bags who use that stuff to intimidate, embarrass, or blackmail people.

  133. Spot on opinion piece, except for one pretty serious fault. Your rationale for not releasing your own selfies is lame at best. If I was asking someone to go to great lengths to further a cause, I would be the first one to set the example. I expect more from Dan Savage.

  134. The only nude selfies I’ve ever taken were to record how thin I was when I thought I was fat.

  135. Dan Savage I love you! I always have and always will!!!

  136. Oh, how different the discourse of the media would be if dirty selfies of Trump were brought up to light!!! Would he be considered a hero on par with Bezos?

  137. Why 'dirty'? It always amazes me that any part of a body (human or otherwise) is considered 'dirty', nay! capable of inciting mass hysteria (cf: women's bare breasts, New Hampshire). Especially a part that has the capability of perpetrating our species, among other equally important functions and features for the well-being of our species. If people didn't have such bizarre notions the blackmailer's market would all but collapse.

  138. Actually Jeff Bezos, please don't release your dirty pics. I think there are better ones on the internet, and besides, you have enough money to shield yourself from the naked truth. thanks!

  139. Love it. Go, Dan Savage!

  140. I am 100% certain there are no nude selfies of me anywhere in the world. While I am an atheist and have the puritanical morals of a porn star, I’ve been in a loving and monogamous relationship since before selfies were ever a thing, and my wife already know what I look like naked. She can see it whenever she wants. I’m not complaining.

  141. I think for men sending pics of their junk is kinda like male birds showing off their colorful feathers.

  142. @New World Except feathers are beautiful.

  143. Is this actually a bona fide exhortation to publish nude photographs en masse?! Shame on you, Mr. Savage. Our young people deserve more considered advice rooted in modesty and morality.

  144. Yesss! 21st century America’s uptightness about sex truly reflects our Puritan roots. If Americans could shed all their inhibitions and body shame issues, we might all find ourselves happier, healthier and in a more productive country. Hooray for Bezos day!

  145. Great column and I agree that an 'out your nude self' day is outside the (camera) box thinking. What I've been wondering about is this: the connection between his lover Sanchez and her brother. Was this a sting operation? Was there a plan by Sanchez and her brother to honey trap him? I'm way more interested in the Saudi connection than I am in seeing Mr. Bezos' nudies. And the Roger Stone connection with Mr. Sanchez. And the Carter Page connection with Mr. Sanchez. Will Mr. Mueller interview Mr. and Ms. Sanchez? I sincerely hope so. Because this is just tooooo closely connected. Also, I do not understand why this is not clearly extortion. The tv lawyers are saying it's not and maybe not and I don't understand that at all. AMI, in my view, threatened Bezos as surely as if they had said, "Nice pair of legs ya got there....hate to see them get broken". Sounds like AMI has also threatened other journalists such as Ronan Farrow and AP reporters. Not extortion and blackmail? That really needs to be explained more fully. But I thank Mr. Bezos and I promise that if you release your nude selfie, I won't look. Not one peek, I promise!

  146. @sophia "Was there a plan by Sanchez and her brother to honey trap him?" or: Was it all a plan by Bezos and friends to trap Peckers and show him for what he is: a blackmailer? If it was, it sure worked.

  147. @Fran Fran, I also wondered whether the mistress and her brother, both (I read somewhere) with professional ties to AMI, are somehow involved in this.

  148. No, not everyone has a porn stash on their phone, just as not everyone has a Facebook or Twitter account, or sends embarrassing or even criminal messages via email, which is the digital equivalent of a postcard. Lots of us have actual lives, and don't depend on obsessive technology distraction to get through the day.

  149. @ossefogva Roger that. And what ever happened to the time-honored (and proven) idea that sexual modesty can be (wait for it) sexy ?

  150. @Irene Yes, Irene, some modesty is sexy, and so is some immodesty: see how that works?

  151. @ossefogva Thank you!

  152. Saying that those who send a sexual image to another person are stupid blames the victim. It's the blackmailer or recipient who shares the image without authorization that is to blame. Sharing sexual images or texts is normal sexual behavior because it is literally the norm by virtue of enough people doing it. Savage is saying "let's just get over it." He's right. As part of sex education we should teach how to send a sexual image safely, as in don't include your face or anything that identifies you.

  153. @Kathryn any digital image someone creates and transmit can be traced back to them, has nothing to do with your face being in it.

  154. Savage is brilliant. Although, I hate to say it, not as clever as the New York Post headline. So much pearl clutching going on in these comments. Clearly no one reading the Times has ever been naked.

  155. @Michael c ...or bothers to find out who Dan Savage is, or what he writes about!

  156. @Michael c, clearly Savage isn't the only brilliant one commenting here. Your notion that "clearly no one reading the Times has ever been naked" is spot on funny. Thanks for the pick-me-up!

  157. Jeff, Dans right. Release the pics, rep your self. Be body positive. Take away all theleverage then remind people what the richest man in the world can do when you get on his downside. Amazon is #1 because it has always been willing to be a loss leader. You should be too. Start by buying every house in his neighborhood and turn them into homeless shelters. Then poach everyone at his company. Then leak his amazon purchase history. Then offer his wife to buy out his marriage, pay his kids not to talk to him (everyone has a price, right?). The ways in which you can mess with him is endless. Get creative and enjoy it.

  158. Just as long as I don't view them in the NYT or anywhere else for that matter.

  159. Very funny.

  160. Please, if you haven’t watched it google Saturday Night Live Meet the press and watch their spoof of Meer the press pundits and the Bezos pics. Hilarious!

  161. @Nancy The best part was the alternate headlines, even better than the actual one . . . all of them deserve bylines !

  162. @Irene They were great. Some people are just so clever!

  163. Remember, a dirty pic from Anthony Weiner may well have cost a presidential election.

  164. What I find interesting is the negative comments. I wonder how many of those negative commentators would sneak a look [ just to laugh ] if the pictures were released ?

  165. And so the NY Times opens up a comic section, sure let's show what shallowness, puerile, prurient thoughts we can share. That horizon is more or less endless. But after the thrill, how long do you think you can make THAT stand up. And of course 'show me yours and I'll show you mine' is never a good idea to accept from the person offering such a trade.

  166. Good point and well-written! Thank you, Mr. Savage! I feel like millennials and the generations after us are turning the tide against the weird Puritanism that’s dictated this country’s morals for so long. I was at dinner with a couple of my friends a while back- one is devoutly religious and the other is very reserved, as am I, and at some point the conversation turned to sexting. We’d all done it. And if we’ve done it, probably everyone else has done it...so what’s the big deal if it’s between consenting parties?

  167. @Kate B agree. But these comments don't attest to this. So many claiming no way they do it, and even going so far as to say their offspring don't do it. How would they KNOW?

  168. @Kate B. It's a big deal if you are a teenager (as are all of Bezos' 4 children) and the pictures relate to your dad cheating on your mom. When you are married to a committed spouse & have 4 teens at home, you give up "rights".

  169. @Kate B., regarding the weird Puritanism: growing up at the tail end of the Boomers in the 70s & 80s, it was sex, drugs, and rock and roll, almost constantly, at least where I lived in PA. Big fun!! My, how things have changed! Where did all these anti sex / abstinence only Puritans, Calvinists and Evangelicals come from? Perhaps that's just their public personas? Like you say - what's the big deal?

  170. Your “annual release-a-nude-pic day” could really catch on, Mr. Savage. To provide this mass, national exposure experience with some necessary seriousness and solemnity, it could be held on the same day that the constitutionally mandated State of the Union Address is given by the President. Then Americans could determine, on yet another level, whether the state of our great union is indeed strong, productive, and vibrant.

  171. @John Grillo, Your "experiment" could work, but only with a different president. The current holder of the office would likely skip the speech to participate.

  172. To me the issue is the right to privacy. Laws requiring incarceration (not fines) seem a better solution than everybody just letting it all hang out. Such law would include journalists. Some lines are going to have to be drawn somewhere to balance freedom of the press, public's right to know and a person's right to some privacy and to not have their freedom of expression as may be expressed on private electronics eviscerated through theft by one party handing it off to publications who claim press immunity while raking in the bucks.

  173. Thanks for mentioning the real issues surrouding Bezos. I applaud him for standing up to bullies,but I'd applaud much more loudly if his employees were to do the same - especially by forming unions.

  174. Hardly anyone will admit it but most people take photos of themselves before a mirror, tens of thousands of men have made naughty videos and uploaded them to various sites. There is a human want to believe you have something special. Ask any 14 year old. Bezos' has a thousand watt ego and feeling that he is special, he is the richest man on Earth. Showing his manhood will be a disappointment and probably cause most adults to shrug. The National Enquirer has a political agenda and it shows. Right now politics and the Internet are the Wild West, that will change soon enough. And we will miss the noise and tackiness!

  175. @David Fairbanks "politics and the Internet are the Wild West" -- Rather: The Internet is a swamp made of quicksand, and our society is in danger of drowning in it. Wake up, America.

  176. Release the same day Trump's tax returns.

  177. The HUGE elephant at in the living room is ... ours privacy laws have not kept up with technology ... write your congressional representatives ... until we get up to date laws it’s the Wild West out there ...

  178. Bezos’s billions have come in large part from Amazon contracts with the Pentagon, the CIA, the NSA and other components of the surveillance state. For him to complain about his privacy being breached is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

  179. I like the assumption that all billionaires are men with "mistresses." I guess some things never change.

  180. The focus here should be on AMI, not Bezos. He happens to be the victim in this case. Advocating, on the front page of the NYT website of all places, that he lower himself to the AMI's level is wrongheaded. We should be talking about: - what was AMI's motivation in publishing the texts, and then threatening to publish the pics? - did the Saudis team up with AMI (and Trump) to embarrass and silence Bezos after the Khashoggi crisis? - were the Saudi's behind the acquisition? - is AMI legally liable for the release of the texts? - do the threats to publish constitute blackmail? - are the pics (and texts) personal property? copyrighted? - does the action violate the cooperation agreement with Mueller?

  181. @TPG Doesn't the cooperation agreement involve (at least primarily) the Southern District of New York, not Mueller?

  182. This is some of the best out of the box thinking I’ve read in a long time. Maybe there will not be a day of the year where everyone releases the naked truth, but by example the richest man in the world and publisher of the Washington Post can show something that stands for something. Punish blackmail and free the universal truth.

  183. There seem to be a number of readers who are shocked by Mr. Savage’s plea that the sexts in question be published. I don’t have to look at them if I don’t want to but to learn that Bezos is forcing workers to give up their tips is really scuzzy. I can’t forget that.

  184. The strategy here is to report a crime of extortion. You're confusing sexual freedom with blackmail. AMI is holding evidence in the form of electronic data, a private citizen's electronic data. The suggestion that somebody should make "Thier" evidence public before the perpetrator is a risky idea. If I have to explain why, then perhaps you should study counterfeiting, art fakes, etc. Forensics will need AMI's evidence.

  185. "By all rights you should’ve spent last week being dragged for the news that Amazon is stealing tips from delivery drivers..." So you sold your stock then, right?

  186. AMI certainly got the better of Bezos. Even if he sues them will a jury ever rule in favor of the world's richest man? Too easy to vilify him.

  187. @Reader In Wash, DC - Too easy to vilify him. Sales of the National Enquirer does not equate to love for the rag or Mr. Pecker. Most people, it would seem are more sympathetic to its victims than to its publisher. All a lawyer would have to do is have the jurors imagine being the victims of his tactics.

  188. Q. What is fifty shades of grey? A. Amazon's cloud.

  189. The only thing that is abundantly clear from reading this thread of comments about this article is that most people do not have good reading comprehension skills. I say that reading comprehension is an issue over and over again in this comments section but it is somehow seen as a divisive comment and usually doesn’t get published. Mr. Savage’s point is about eliminating hypocrisy and double standards, it’s one thing to disagree with him, it is just an opinion piece, but to not actually understand what is being said is evident in these comments. Curious and bothersome indeed.

  190. @Rob E Gee, Curiouser and curiouser, but if you want to sell a product mention the words 'Secret' or 'Sex' in the title, and the cat will blow the lid off the cover, hoping to find some naughty mice to play with. The welfare of our children is what matters in this story to this reader, and if we can remain contained and in context, Mr. Savage may be entitled to receive an award from the U.N. Secretary General for opening the gates to the Plight of the Child world-wide.

  191. I had a comment published today that was made 'in reference to' Ms. Dowd's column about Bezos, etc. ... wherein (amidst some off-topic but irresistible 'trolling' of trump) I offered that I would never be so crude as to take and send a 'package pic' to anyone -- or so foolish even if I were so crude. Reading Mr. Savage's column and its reports on the 'usualness' of package pics, I wonder if I'm just not as proud of my package as even the 'average' guy 'like' me! P.S. My earlier comment also presented that, in any case, I don't know how to take and send a picture with my flip phone -- and that I wouldn't take and send a package pic even if I had a smart phone and all of the "app awareness" of someone with about 50 years fewer than my 70. However, upon reading Mr. Savage's, I am reminded ... and I confess ... that I exchanged 'porno-type' nude Polaroids with a long term girlfriend I would later marry, divorce and 'refriend' -- and I wish I had hers still (somewhere where my non-wife wife of 37 years couldn't find it).

  192. @Thomas Murray I just commented how much I would love to see the polaroid I sent my husband in Vietnam in 1969 with daisies painted on my young breasts....

  193. An upstanding citizen would comply.

  194. @Phyliss Dalmatian, ha ha. You are a hoot, and wishing you and yours a day of roses and bourbon on St. Valentine's this coming Thursday!

  195. Bezos need not release his nude selfies. He just has to tell the world that he does not care if the National Enquirer releases them. That would put the onus on the Enquirer to release or not release the pix and make them look bad if they do release.

  196. Agree! Been rereading Fouccault’s history of sexuality and realizing how much the silence and shame of sex is embedded in power dynamics in the US. Mr. Bezos and the Catholic Church and metoo. One request- you used the term mistress in relation to billionaires extramarital affairs. Fine I get it- men are the billionaires, not women, so a gendered term perhaps makes sense. But I do want to know- what are we to call all the male mistresses? When will we realize women want out of the constraints of monogamy too and we need a language for their desires and dalliances?

  197. @Anne Chapman Manter? Mantress? Maestro? (are there any American Male Lovers who would qualify?)

  198. @Anne Chapman it's "desires and dalliances" as long as it does not involve your spouse or if you are a teenager (as are all of Bezos' children) and it involves your parent. Is this something you would have dreamed of your parent doing when you were a child? I am not a prude but when I became a parent, I was determined to never do anything that would embarrass my children or make them lose respect for me. Adults who are married to a committed spouse and have minor children at home give up their "monogamy optional" card. If Bezos decided he did not want to remain monogamous, he should have divorced his wife straight away and avoided generating any digital media embarrassing to his children (and his parents).

  199. Are you assuming a gender tag to the word mistresses? I have never read it that way.

  200. I like and respect the writing and wisdom of Dan Savage and read his column regularly. I also recommend them to therapy clients because they are sex positive, informative and good examples of honest, straightforward communication between people. This is not his best work. In part, because he is extrapolating from a small sample to the general population,which includes older people. Also, I thing Bezos has done enough good by opening this corrupt bunch to the public and, I hope, the authorities. Sunshine is the best disinfectent. P S I saw one of AMI's sleazy lawyers on a talk show promoting their lame defense; "it was not blackmail/extortion because AMI had already published the earlier story." Sad.

  201. @Jim Segal "I thing Bezos"-- Freudian slip?

  202. Dan Savage enjoys his place in the media, he loves the adoration. His shock talk, presented as normal, is far from it. He does not seek to improve individuals, or society, rather he seeks to approve his own identity with columns that twist the norms of good behavior. He believes humiliating, demeaning, and disrespectful behavior can be fun in consensual relationships. Read into his thoughts about rape. When done the right way he writes, rape fantasies are a fun pastime. I’m confident most parents don’t teach their daughters fantasizing about getting raped is normal; and I’m hopeful most parent don’t teach their sons pretending to rape a girl can ever be normal. Were his advice about race relations he would offer up lynching as normal and blackface OK. He presents disturbed behavior as normal. Dan's motivation is simple, he seeks approval for himself. He is nothing more than a peddler of smut and deals in the sexual exploitation of others for the benefit of himself. He is a narcissist, in many ways the same as the President, both of them seeking attention with outlandish words. He espouses a world, would his advice be taken, we would be the worst for it, not the better.

  203. @NorthXMW I read Dan Savage's column so I disagree with your post. Dan always encourages total respect toward others in problematic relationships. He only has harsh words for folks who cause damage to others and hypocritical and bigoted politicians. I believe he does a great service to society. Also ITMFA!

  204. @NorthXNW A Christian, right? Ok, yes. Let's keep on with the sexual repression like we have now for millennia. We all know how well that works. Just ask the Catholic church.

  205. @NorthXNW Have you read Dan Savage? Maybe we're reading two different authors. I could not disagree more.

  206. Whatever happened to face-to-face sharing. I'm getting too old for this. . makes me long for those days years ago in my childhood, when exhibitionists in raincoats typically flashed passers-by. And, there were not that many of them. And no, I'm not even sure I am saying this tongue-in-cheek. Go to nude beaches and we can choose to look away at anyone's junk.

  207. Does anyone care how Bezos’s children feel about this, or will feel when they fully understand what their father’s narcissistic behavior has cost his family?

  208. @subway rider We all worry about our kids and being role model for them. Mr. Bezos had to make a hard decision between extortion and hiding his extramarital relationship and sex luge. There is a lesson learned in risk management and ethics. Which is worse human behavior? Which should not be tolerated at all. Since we do not know much about Mr. Bezos relationship with his wife and kids, we cannot assume anything. He may have an agreement to open marriage. We do not know. But what we do know that he is willing to take responsibility for his actions and stop extortion. This should serve a role model for lesson in ethics. We women and #metoo movement should learn that paying or getting paid to keep silence emerges in abusive behavior. Good 4U Mr. Bezos. His kids will know he made the rights choice!

  209. I believe no one really cares. Do you? Why on earth.

  210. A billionaire with nothing to hide.

  211. I remain perplexed why people take these photos for any reason, particularly in the age of internet. Don't they have good memories?

  212. @Geraldine Conrad And I would lay serious money down, you only watch PBS on the TV. Photos are frozen memories that can bring back a rush of emotion, good and bad. Once I had made a photo of a gentleman at a charity dinner. But he was in a wheelchair for a serious illness, so I had slid up the table, like he was sitting down to dinner. His wife stood just behind him. Several years later I met the wife at another charity dinner and she said that picture was one of her favorites just after her husband died. He was dressed in formal wear and looked strong and elegant that night. She said it was a great comfort to her after he died. A good memory. That's why people make photos.

  213. @Darsan54 I'm referring to this particular body part. None of the women I know want to receive them.

  214. @Geraldine Conrad Or would admit to it if they did.

  215. I fear, Dan, my sweet, that once seen, I won’t be able to unsee them. To my dying day I shall never understand why people think that anything released on the internet will remain private. There is a special irony that a well known snoop would’ve thought that he would be an exception.

  216. @Martha Uniack He didn't release them on the internet. They were texts on his phone. Those are supposed to be encrypted and private.

  217. @Martha Uniack Exactly, one look at a naked Jeff Bezos and I think I'd want to take out my eyeballs and wash them.

  218. @Martha Uniack Once you've seen one, you've seen them all. Get real.

  219. There seems to be a lot of handwringing over Mr Savage’s proposal, but I think he makes an excellent point: it’s not genitalia we need to worry about being exposed. Every one of us has seen at least one gender or the other’s body parts! Where’s the big deal?!! (There’s real truth in the slang phrase for intercourse of “bumping uglies.”) True privacy involves issues like one’s intimate conversations and feelings, political opinions, personal histories, charitable giving, religious beliefs, and so forth. The non-consensual exposure of these is far more destructive than any body shot; the choice to share belongs to each individual (unless there’s a crime or other public interest involved). And I guarantee that “88%” stat is referring to sexting in general, not necessarily including photos. Sexting can be defined to include even half-serious flirting.

  220. @Hungrybrain. One person’s “charity” is too often someone else’s humanity under attack. Why must your “charity” be secret?

  221. There is no need for him to release something that is/was meant to be private. For goodness sake, enough! Really, to what end? Squeezing out every salacious detail and suggesting that he release personal photographs is mere attention getting for the writer. Makes me glad I am not uber rich. Everyone wants a piece. Pun intended.

  222. @Cheryl I do believe the suggestion that he release his naked pics was made in jest. I found the essay hilarious!

  223. @Cheryl, The term 'Uber Rich' is wondrous. While it would cause a migraine to be in possession of a diamond as big as The Ritz, funds galore would be headed in the direction of children in need on a national and global basis. Wishing you a happy Valentine's Day.

  224. @MLChadwick Not at all! While Savage is certainly very funny, I think he is completely serious about the suggestion to destigmatize nudies! Why people take these photos is beyond me, but by all means, let’s stop the odd notion we have that naked is nasty.

  225. Thank God for the Sixties. There was a decade in my life (1976-1985) when everybody I knew, including their children, I'd seen naked. This was thanks to saunas, sweat lodges, hot springs, skinny-dipping and sunbathing. I attended a party thrown by the Missoula Small Business Association at Darby Hot Springs Lodge where all forty adults were totally naked all evening, even on the dance floor. On Rawhide Night at the Frenchtown Club, I danced to "Pretty Woman" and stripped naked on stage in front of fifty hooting, howling cowgirls. In my opinion, most Americans can't handle the sight of genitals and the wildness of sensual and sexual activity.

  226. @poodlefree really - I agree. It seems that everything is so shocking to all, they can't handle anything. And this from supposed educated NY Times readers. The comments are very revealing. What a bunch of prudes!

  227. @poodlefree I loved the '60s and I am sorry that the forces of oppression and prudery brought them largely to naught. Indeed, lately we have seen a headlong tumble into the tyranny of prudery, and I would like to reverse that trend. I prefer liberty.

  228. @poodlefree The sixties and seventies were the 'golden era' after birth control became widely available, while antibiotics were still highly effective against STD's, and before HIV/AIDs. Then is not now.

  229. Dan Savage is my hero. Dan, when you run for President, I will work 24/7 for your campaign.

  230. @Craig God forbid.

  231. An upstanding member of society could comply, or deflate at the request. Just saying.

  232. Eliminating secrets so that you can't be blackmailed has a bit of a dystopian ring to it. It reminds me of the people who say they don't care if the government spies on them, because they don't have anything to hide. Information like this has power beyond public perception. We are living in an age where a photograph could be analyzed to predict what medical conditions you have. Privacy is worth protecting.

  233. With all due respect to Mr. Dan Savage, who claims, to my admiration, to be gay, he may be personally interested to see nude photos of Mr. Bezos. But I, as a straight individual, have no interest in seeing any such photos of Mr. Besoz. May I also go one step ahead and add that I have no desire to see nude photos of women either because I am a married man and I consider my marriage to be a fortress for my well-being.

  234. I don’t think I want to see Mr. Bezos’ thingy! And I definitely don’t believe 80% of Americans have that type of pictures in their possession.

  235. For more than 55 years, I've remembered everything about the beautiful college girl who was my first "experience." I hope she remembers me fondly as well. At 73, of course I don't understand sending these photos. It was tough back then--finding the opportunities to be together, but we made it work. And there's no public record--only what's left in our memories and in our hearts.

  236. @JOCKO ROGERS: Pefectly said. The reviewers blew it not making your comment an NYT Pick!