Sanders and Warren Meet and Agree: They Both Are Probably Running

I am one giant awesome fan of Senator Warren. I support her causes whole heartedly and I think she speaks truth to power. I will keep supporting her career in the senate. That said, Senator Sanders is another (better) league altogether. Not only is he a totally incorruptible progressive, he speaks and conducts himself in a manner that endears people to him. I have never thought possible that common sense things like medicare for all would even be considered until Sanders. Even so, I yearn for someone in Sanders’ mold and his personality that is far younger. I just dont see that in Beto. I want to, but the man sounds more like a product: maybe I need to know more of him.

Some editor at the NYT must give out an award for the gratuitous potshot of the day at Sanders. And to all the bereaved Clintonites who continue to hold Sanders responsible for their own failures, give it up. Clinton neo-liberalism is over. Now all this manufactured talk about age, diversity, sexuality etc is just an effort to put lip[stick on the pig and make a comeback for the same Wall St/Hollywood Democratic Party that has been hurting working people of all ages, races, and genders since the '80s.

To all the bereaved Clintonites who continue to hold Sanders responsible for their own failures, give it up. Clinton neo-liberalism is over. Now all this manufactured talk about age, diversity, sexuality etc is just an effort to put lipstick on the pig and make a comeback for the same Wall St/Hollywood Democratic Party that has been hurting working people of all ages, races, and genders since the '80s.

Bernie and Warren, doing what they do best...guaranteeing us another 4 years of Trump. NEITHER is electable nationally, and all you supporters posting here need to pull your heads out of the sand. It doesn't matter how much YOU like them. What matters is what the electorate as a whole thinks.

As I stood at a roundabout for both the primary and general elections with signs for Hillary Clinton, the Bernie "bro" bunch yelled out the worst insults from their cars--far worse than Trump supporters. Sanders' ego, his refusal to truly campaign for Clinton (as she did gracefully in 2008 for Obama), his dismissal of identity politics (i.e., diversity), and his unwillingness to expand his conversation beyond universal health care and Wall Street...well he has done more damage than good by far. It will show up historically as such. Senator Warren is a servant leader. She is the real deal. We can predict that those misogynist Bernie bro white guys (and too many women) will seek to discredit Warren in the same way they did with Clinton. IT IS TIME FOR COMPETENT LEADERSHIP. Move over, boys.

Look, whoever is the eventual Democratic nominee, we will all rally around him or her, no doubt. But let's get real. The Democratic base after the 2018 elections is not only women, it is increasingly young people and people of color, and we need to present a representative Party leadership. The last five Democrats elected (LBJ succeeded) to the presidency were JFK, Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama -- average age mid-40s. Democrats in the House are about to endorse a leadership trio with an average age of 78.7, so it is even more important to think young for 2020. For Elizabeth Warren's next condo luncheon, I suggest she invite four septuagenarian friends -- Bernie, Hillary, Joe, and Michael B (he can pick up the tab) -- and task the five of them to come up with a fresh new ticket that respects women and youth, that will attract independents and working people, and that can win the 2020 showdown to restore sanity and save humanity.

Bernie and Liz would have been the ideal ticket in 2016 and had they ran we would have had 16 years of progressivism, 8 with Bernie at the helm 8 with Liz, but when she jumped ship and backed Clinton she lost her boniifdes with true progressives, also on her “ tough on Wall Street” moniker, I don’t see evidence of that, Blankfein, Fuld, Dimon, Mazillo are all still walking around while a bit player like Cohen paying off hookers goes to prison, pathetic, oh I forgot, there is the Russian influence,how about our “ influence” in selling Saudis and giving Israelis billions in weapons to murder and starve Yemenis, which is only the latest example of the extent we go to to “ influence” nations that don’t agree with our way of life, which BTW if you ask the average citizen has been in decline for decades and no having a cell phone, 60” T.V. with no home to put it in and a closet full of Chinese made t- shirts and sneakers doesn’t mean you’re “livin the dream”. I loved Presidents Obama and Carter but neither were able to counteract the status quo, Bernie and a progressive member of the younger generation like Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez together would be formidable I should think: The young educated generation, aside from the Wall Street clones, are overwhelming disgusted with capitalism, they see how poorly it serves society at large, when a push toward the Sandanavian or German model is an option. I never put away my Bernie Buttons, Bernie/ Alexandria2020!!

Dear Senator Warren. I have always loved and respected you -- as a role model for strong women and for doing what is right. When you failed to endorse Bernie during MA voting time in the primaries of 2016, the people lost their trust in you. Tulsi Gabbard was the only one who stood by his side. I run a Bernie Sanders political page on Facebook and since 2016 have been trying to "calm people down" with respect to their lost trust and anger toward you -- one mistake should not taint one's entire perception of a person. This has been hard to curtail ..people are still upset with you. You may remember this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z5-t6MaNHs NY Times today wrote an article stating you are considering running. If Bernie runs, please do not run against him as you will anger a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters and the same split will happen as happened with Hillary. The people need someone they can trust right now -- please let them have that. They want Bernie Sanders. Let him take the lead of the people it is what we want. Please don't run unless it is with Bernie. Truth be told though, he has the best chance is Tulsi Gabbard runs with him. Thank you for listening. Sincerely, Laurie Cestnick facebook.com/groups/occupydncconvention

Bernie has the following is THE most progressive candidate in the country. He should run as POTUS and Elizabeth Warren as VP.

Go away Bernie- your are too old, and your career is not impressive in the least. When you run against candidates that haven't been fatally injured by the conservative propaganda complex for 20 years- you will have way too much trouble getting anybody interested. Your legislative history is almost non-existent- except for minor amendments along the way- and you have a reputation of inability to work with others to achieve consensus. Any other candidate is more qualified than you when it comes to these issues- and no other candidate stood haughtily in the way of their winning opponent-sniping and causing friction- even long after you knew you had lost the contest.

Warren received criticism for taking a DNA test proving she has Native American ancestry? No, she took a DNA test proving that she does not have Native American ancestry. One-one thousandth is so diluted she may as well seek out African or Asian or Neanderthal ancestry. It proves she fabricated minority status to gain admission to law school.

Is it really news that Sanders and Warren are considering running in 2020? I think not. Here’s an idea: publish an article about someone who has already declared their candidacy and is a viable candidate that has even outlined a strong platform. I speaking of Andrew Yang. It would be a pleasant surprise to see the NYTimes run that story as news, because I think it would actually be news to most of it’s readers, though not all, as he has been campaigning now for some time.

It’s disappointing to begin to look through these comments and already see thoughtless remarks such as “Bernie isn’t even a real democrat”. “They’re great but too old” etc. Bernie has done more to shape the agenda of the current Democratic Party than every other person who will run combined. He advocated for Medicare for all long before it was cool to do so. He was advocating for LGBTG LONG before people like Clinton and Obama. Warren similarly has been pointing out financial injustice her entire career while simultaneously the Democratic Party were passing legislation which in part led to the finincial crisis. This election should be about substance, not “a look”, not checking off boxes with regards to superficial points. It should also be about putting forth a candidate that has shown over the long haul that they have values they stick to regardless of what pollsters say. Bernie and warren explemplify these ideals better than any candidate I’ve ever seen.

I supported Bernie in 2016. If he runs I will support him in 2020 despite some misgivings about his age and concerns that some bitter former Clinton supporters may not be willing to rally around him. Some of the comments on this thread unfortunately raise this possibility. My reasons for supporting him are pretty simple. Bernie Sanders has been a voice crying out in the American wilderness, If you listen to his speeches warning against NAFTA, environmental degradation and the folly of invading Iraq he has been right far more often than he has been wrong. He was an early supporter of the Civil Rights, women’s rights and the right of LGBT people. Despite his strong views, he has the ability to speak restfully with ordinary people who may disagree with him. As mayor of Burlington he was effective in getting bipartisan support to get things done. He has continued to work across the aisles most recently as one of the sponsors of the recently passed legislation to cut off support for the war in Yemen. Finally he has integrity and that is something rather rare in our politicians these days. He said he would support the winner of the 2016 primary and did, despite disappointing some of his supporters. Running against a President who seems incapable of telling the truth that is no small thing. I somehow doubt that Trump will be able to play mind games with him. My question is, “If not Bernie than who?” So far I haven’t found the answer.

While I like and agree with their policies and in general their voting records I am hopeful someone from the next generation gains recognition and hence support and funding. BTW, I am 68 years old so this is not a "they're too old dog whistle"

Oh, PLEASE! Let’s see some new talent. Time for a generational shift. To Bernie & Elizabeth & all your peers: recruit and mentor, but please don’t confuse and loose by running yourselves. It might feel good, but won’t succeed.

donnie will be impeached and removed from office before the end of his term. He will then begin a different type of term.

Maybe Bernie can run as an independent this time? Bernie is a carpetbagger; a Democrat only when convient for him. Changing his party back again after his last run was a bridge too far. Bernie is not a Democrat.

I'm well over 60 and think that these two have a wealth of ideas and experience between them. But they should use that to mentor someone who can actually win. Someone younger who can get out the vote of the Independents and the more centrist Democrats. While many of Warren and Sanders ideas are certainly appealing, in many cases they are ahead of their time as far as ever getting passed goes, and, in fact, turn off many that we'll need if we are to win. We need a candidate who makes promises that can be kept and there are plenty of people in both parties who would support that. My fear, for this next election, is that the field of Democratic candidates will be so wide that no one comes out a front-runner, and by the time of the general election there will be no one candidate well-known enough, and with ideas that appeal to a wide enough demographic, for the entire Democratic party (and independents) to rally behind. Do we really want another four years of what we've got now? I totally understand that we need to have forward-thinking people in government but not so far forward that we get left behind - again.

I've got a great campaign idea for Bernie. Start out by saying that you aren't going to get personal or sling mud about Warren. Then when you realize you're not getting the traction you wanted, come out swinging at Warren in a very personal, she-lacks-integrity kind of way. Accuse of being in the pocket of Wall Street or its equivalent. And see if you can time it so that what you say reinfroces what the Republicans are saying about her too. And then expess shock and dismay (and no responsibility) when Trump wins three key swing states by a paltry 70,000 votes amd takes the electoral college by storm. Sound familiar?

I realize that Senator Sanders was deflecting when he chided the media for focusing on his meeting with Senator Warren rather than the resolution on the war in Yemen that he proposed and succeeded in getting a majority, even if symbolic, support. But, in principle, it shows the media's fascination with the trivial rather than substance. I know that such puff pieces are needed to sell newspapers and/or make readers click. But should the desire to sell not be balanced with more serious analyses?

Warren and Sanders are honest progressive leaders when we need them, but surely there are honest progressive leaders who are under sixty and from states with some traditionally Republican electoral votes that would help us win the Presidential election. Has it ever come down to the wire waiting for Massachusetts and Vermont? Does anyone remember Dukakis (not Olivia)?

Bernie sanders told Andrea Mitchel that he speaks to Elizabeth Warren every day, and to please discuss the urgent issues such as how are we going to solve healthcare, wages,infrastructure,climate change, and implored media to stop focusing on the horserace.

If the Dems can’t find someone under 60, they can pack up the van and go home til 2024. We need someone who can bridge generational gaps - with ideas, language, and understanding - and inspire under 30’s to care and vote, and it ain’t anyone’s grandparents.

Who are these "officials familiar with the meeting "? Were they actually there or are they passing on 'here say'? I love the way Sanders brushes off the media when they make mountains out of molehills and pass on misinformation for news sport. There is so much guess work in this article it's worth nothing - except to get people babbling about they feel about Sanders or Warren for president.

At a minimum, both need to run and be as active as possible in the primaries. They can bring out voters who would stay for the 2020 election, even if they aren't the Democratic candidate. They both also have a lot to say, and can educate the American people in ways that no other politician can. Elizabeth Warren can explain the financial world, and Bernie, well, I voted for him for President last time so, at least to me, he speaks to the heart of what is wrong about America, the abandonment of the poor. Hugh

Well then, Trump will be elected to yet another term. God help us. Warren and Sanders are not the two pols who will suddenly sway the red states. And you cannot win with only blue states. The Progressives will be in heaven, but simple electoral math will pop that bubble.

No one, including Elizabeth Warren, has the bold progressive vision of Senator Sanders, a vision badly needed for a time when we are fighting multiple crises, that unfortunately are likely to deepen. And contrary to this article, Sanders has a great deal of support, according to every poll I have seen, among people of color. He also focuses, as he always has done, on substance, both nationally and internationally. As far as I am concerned, no one can touch him. But the mainstream media will try to denigrate his chances and obscure his achievements, as they did in 2016. As an example, Sanders was the main driver of the important measure to withdraw US support for Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen. But The Times gave him as little coverage in the article about that as they possibly could. Fortunately, Democrats will have a fairer primary contest than they did in 2016 and the voters can decide. Meanwhile Senator Sanders will work relentlessly for the people, and I suppose continue to be ignored or denigrated by what many consider the paper of record. It's a shame.

Neither should run. They have led on important issues but do not have the broad appeal a presidential contender needs to have. I trust that their polling is telling them this. Plus, they have demonstrable weaknesses. They will do far more good for the country by staying in the Senate.

Though a big Sanders' supporter and contributor in the 16 primaries, I do not want to see either of these two running for president. Ever. Someone needs to tell them that it is time for new blood if the Dems are to succeed and gain a national foothold. No to Sanders and Warren.