In Chicago Hospital Shooting, Domestic Violence Flares Into Public View

Nov 20, 2018 · 36 comments
A Doctor (Boston)
Here are some conclusions from the scientific literature on intimate partner homicide (IPH). The rate of IPH has been decreasing for several decades. Men are far more likely to be victims of homicide than women; men account for 80 - 90% of all homicide victims. About 5% of these male victims are killed by intimate partners. Women are the victims of IPH in about 70% of cases, and men are the victims of IPH in 30% of cases. Conclusion: Men are disproportionately victimized by homicide. In the domestic setting 30% of victims are men. Domestic violence remains a major public health issue, and both men and women are victims. (Source: Journal of Criminal Justice. Trends in rates and characteristics of intimate partner homicides between 1990 and 2013)
Crystal (Wisconsin)
My question is for the NRA. Now that a physician has (again) very publicly died due to gun violence can they be in the lane now?
Maggie (U.S.A.)
4,774,000 = The number of women in the U.S. who experience physical violence by an intimate partner every year. The number of American troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq between 2001 and 2012 = 6,488. The number of American women who were murdered by current or ex male partners during that time = 11,766.
Carlitos Corazon (Morocco)
@Maggie The first statistic is not truly germane (a slap and murder are not the same thing) and includes woman-on-woman violence. Linking the second and third statistics is not valid as the population sizes are radically different, as is the overarching enviroment; and the troops include women.
Maggie (U.S.A.)
@Carlitos Corazon Don't be precious, if not obtuse. 1. This murder of Dr. O'Neal was an act of domestic violence by a violent raging immature male who couldn't self-regulate and handle rejection. Just as is the case with nearly FIVE MILLION females in the U.S. every year. 2. The scale is tragic and unacceptable. Instead of shining a light on that brutal horrific degeneracy and heartbreaking injustice, societies focus 99% on weak, widdy biddy violent men, in making more of the excuse laden testosterone amped and making more female victims. Because, you know, all the ancient religious desert peasant cults decree it. Domestic violence is a massively underreported crime in America and around the world. It degrades every society, damages every nation, destroys females infant to granny and families everywhere - as well as inculcating that a false superiority and savage deviancy into young males who grow up in heavily patriarchal violent cultures wherein they witness men beating, raping and murdering females in the home or in society. With impunity. For the sake of American girls and women, stay in Morocco. Same goes for your male relatives and cohorts. Doubtless, this is terrible for Moroccan females, but you are theirs not ours. We have more than enough like you, sadly.
Carlitos Corazon (Morocco)
Another day, another (mass) shooting. Another day for the pro-gun lobby and the self-serving cowards in Congress to tell us that we have to find a way to deny guns to anyone who is upset about anything... Ridiculous obviously, and revealingly moronic. Write this down: Guns are NOT the problem, but real gun control is the only viable solution.
Kay (Sieverding)
It sounds like her ex never hit her; none of the reports said that she cancelled the engagement because of temper or violence. It sounds more like he was suicidal but that having the gun made it easier to involve others. If they actually had set a marriage date for October and made public announcements of their marriage, he must have been very embarrassed about the break up. Also, he might have counted financially on her doctor's income and made expenditures in anticipation of their marriage that he could not afford. Most people would feel really depressed in they had major financial problems and were publicly humiliated.
Amy Agigian (Somerville, MA)
It sounds like you are justifying his actions.
Vera (Albuquerque, NM)
@Kay The factor that leads to domestic violence is needing an inappropriate level of control over another. The vast majority of people don't feel entitled to kill others because they are upset about break-up and/or facing financial problems.
June (Charleston)
Domestic violence is so common across all socio-economic levels. Women need to think twice and investigate before entering into a romantic relationship with any man. Men pose the greatest danger to women.
Michael (London UK)
What a waste. And over the last few months of reading about American mass murders, all committed through the medium of guns, I do not recall any of them being illegally acquired weapons? Doesn’t this tell you something?
Phyliss Dalmatian (Wichita, Kansas)
Same old story. Enraged male decides to go out with a bang. A small suggestion: Skip the preliminaries, just shoot yourself, privately. Have SOME dignity, and save your Family from lifelong shame. Seriously.
MS (Mass)
Why should we even separate DV from violence in general? Or treat it differently? Violence is violence is violence. Any man convicted of nearly beating his partner to death is obviously a psychopathic maniac. This is done to the person he supposedly loves or loved the most and very often the mother to his own children. Lowest form of depravity. And evil. If the perpetrator knows the victim, (even from one date), does it somehow make it OK or acceptable? Or 'Domestic'?
Anne (New York City)
Let's stop with the euphemisms: Women aren't killed by "intimate partners" or "spouses;" they are killed by husbands and boyfriends. It's not "intimate partner violence;" it's male violence. It's not "domestic abuse;" it's male violence. When was the last time you read about a lesbian committing a mass murder as part of an attack on her partner? That's right, because it never happened.
Dave (Sacramento)
@Anne Domestic abuse of men by their girlfriends/wives isn't front and center in news stories. Like this one. Only male on female abuse is ever talked about. Men leaving an abusive relationship don't even have a place to go, unlike WEAVE. If the topic is abuse, ALL abuse should be talked about. Including woman on male abuse. Not all men are cold hearted and strong. Many men were taught never to hit a woman, even if she is in the process of hitting him. This article should have included domestic violence even when the victim is male.
BJ (WA)
@Dave Yes, men are also victims of domestic violence. My own partner was assaulted by his previous partner. Yes, it needs to be talked about. HOWEVER. The vast, vast majority of domestic violence in this country is perpetrated by men and the vast majority of victims are female. Misogyny and male violence are at the root of this issue and must be addressed and by bringing up "but men are victims too" you are deflecting from this conversation and trying to invalidate this problem. Even my partner would be the first to tell you that DV is primarily a male violence issue and we should treat it as such.
In medio stat virtus (Switzerland)
How come there aren't nearly as many gun-caused deaths in countries with stricter gun laws? The answer is simple: enforce stricter gun laws and drastically reduce guns in circulation in the USA. The frequency of killings in the US is appalling, it is no longer perceived as a safe country to visit or let alone move to. This is not good for the future of the country. Get guns out!
Maggie (U.S.A.)
@In medio stat virtus But the amount of domestic violence, rape and abuse of females remains the same in every country, regardless of the proliferation of weapons that are just substitutes for the male ego.
Rita Prangle (Mishawaka, IN)
@Maggie Can you back up your assertion that the amount of domestic violence, rape and abuse of females remains the same in every country?
Penny White (San Francisco)
Every Single Day, in the USA alone, three women are murdered by a husband or boyfriend. Every Day. Yet male violence against women is so normalized that it's not even considered a Hate Crime (even though it is by far the most common of all Hate Crimes). We cannot change what we refuse to name: Male Violence Against Women is epidemic, and it is a key feature of the toxic masculinity that defines Gun Culture.
Alpha Dog (Saint Louis)
@Penny White You were reasonably correct at the start, then went off the rails, ending in a total train wreck, with the statement. "Male Violence Against Women is epidemic, and is a key feature of the toxic masculinity that defines Gun Culture". Three murders a day in a country of 320 +/- million people is not an epidemic. Toxic masculinity may have something in common with rapists, but to equate it with whatever the "Gun Culture" is. is way out of line and total hyperbole. Some "Gun Culture", folks (like me) enjoy things like target shooting, hunting, and collecting fine pieces of mechanical equipment. Toxic masculinity ? Not in my book. Most gun owners and NRA members are people who cherish and defend women, a large number of whom, are women.
In medio stat virtus (Switzerland)
@Alpha Dog: answer this: How come the frequency of gun-related deaths and mass shootings is so much higher in the US than in any other country with stricter gun laws? The mass shootings in the US make the country look terrible and unsafe, a lot of people are bypassing it as a tourist destination out of safety concerns, or as a destination for higher studies (which is really bad for the future of research and development in the country). Tourism brings lots of revenue. Nobody prevents you from having and using your beloved gun in target shooting, but gun laws should be vastly stricter and strictly enforced. Strict background checks, registration of weapons and owners in public databases, and banning of automatic weapons unless a specific need is demonstrated, strictly controlled sales of guns in specific stores only. If one follows these rules, then they would have nothing to fear, they can still keep their guns. In Europe I wouldn't even have any idea of where I could buy a gun, I never even see a store that sells them. In the US you can buy guns in the same store where you buy groceries, which is totally ridiculous. Get stricter gun laws, for your own safety and international reputation, and drastically reduce the number of guns in circulation! The Far West era is over, although it does not look like it, based on the widespread use of guns and the continuous news of mass shootings coming from the US.
Maggie (U.S.A.)
@Alpha Dog The most dangerous substance on the planet and to the planet - not just to 3.5 billion girls and women - is human testosterone. Females can imagine a better world, men are afraid of it...for one reason: it requires males to self-regulate.
D.j.j.k. (south Delaware)
With the Democrats now taking over the House in January I would like to see handguns and bullets not sold any more to the out of control public who owns them. In Toronto after the shootings they stopped the hand guns and bullet sales because to do nothing they said would allow there city to get more and more deadly shootings. We know the GOP and NRA are supporting that nothing changes but with this election that changed the game. We want a safe America.
Kelly Clark (Dallas, TX)
It's rare that a mass shootings does not have some correlation with domestic violence. Perhaps when we begin to treat that crime seriously, we will see the number of shooting deaths fall. No one with a record of domestic violence should have access to a weapon.
In medio stat virtus (Switzerland)
@Kelly Clark I agree, but the only way to ensure what you say is that guns are exclusively sold in strictly controlled stores, so you need new, stricter gun laws and strict enforcement. There are way too many guns already in circulation in the USA, their number MUST be reduced if you want to improve public safety. The US is starting to look like a Western movie set with widespread gun use.
Anthony White (Boston)
I believe the editors of the comments section of the Times are allowing misandrist statements to be published which would never be tolerated in any other context. A handy test would be to substitute the word “Black” for the word “men.” If the statement feels racist, exclude it. Example in this post, “The male ego is so weak ....” Substitute, “The Black ego is so weak ....” Sound racist? It is. Kindly stop supporting sexism.
Shamrock (Westfield)
@Anthony White Good luck. I’ve made the same argument for years. I was brought up to always substitute a different ethnic group or race to hear how it sounds. I have no idea why Obama or any national leader doesn’t advocate this. There are speakers on college campuses who advocate this but it doesn’t seem to interest the Times.
Phyliss Dalmatian (Wichita, Kansas)
Sure. When men kindly stop killing Women. How's that ???
Pam Shira Fleetman (Acton Massachusetts)
@Anthony White: Your response reinforces the idea that the "male ego is weak."
RichardHead (Mill Valley ca)
More people are typically killed with guns in the U.S. in a day (about 85) than in the U.K. in a year, if suicides are included. A study conducted by the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2018, states that the worldwide gun death reach 250,000 Yearly and the United States is among just six countries that make up half of those fatalities. More guns more deaths every time, every study. The medical costs are in the billions.
Alpha Dog (Saint Louis)
@RichardHead Slightly out of context to say 85 people a day are killed with guns. Most readers contextually would assume that someone killed the 85 per day. However, only about one third are homicides and most of the remaining two thirds are suicides. This means that the majority elect to commit suicide while using a gun.
In medio stat virtus (Switzerland)
@Alpha Dog Again: how come both the absolute number and relative frequency of mass killings is so much lower in any country with stricter gun laws, for example, in any European country than in the US? The USA looks like a very unsafe country, which is not good for the US economic prospects. Having spent many years in the US and now having relocated to Europe, I feel much safer here.
Cheryl (NC)
@In medio stat virtus why are you so worried about safety in the USA if you feel so safe in Switzerland?
sob (boston)
So sad, a complete waste, for a promising young physician just starting her career. This murder fits a pattern when the man in a relationship can't handle being rejected. The male ego is so fragile, that some act out violently because they can't live with the fact that the woman would find some one .
Lake Swimmer (Chicago)
I worked at an all news radio station in Chicago for more than eight years. I had the morning shifts every weekend. That's when so many Chicago shootings take place. Over some weekends, the list of dead and wounded was so high it was impossible to write about each and every story and include them in an hourly newscast. It got to the point where I would write about the most recent incidents or ones that really stood out, such as if the victims were quite young or the situation was unusual. There was no way to keep up with the numbers, especially in arm weather when their could be 40 or 50 shootings over a weekend. In one case, a little girl was on her couch watching cartoons at her grandmother's house and stray bullets hit her in the head and stomach and she died, right there on the couch. The situation here in Chicago is just bad, bad, bad. The shooting at Mercy Hospital was particularly disturbing because it took place in a very crowded public building where people were being treated and seeking help from medical professionals. It was a place where most people feel safe, as they should. It's always so terrible when a police officer is killed but having a doctor and a pharmacy resident cut down as well is just too much. And all of them young. It's quite depressing actually. I've had to read stories that have made me choke up a bit on the air. I don't know what we are going to do but the suffering and killing here has to stop.