Saudis Close to Crown Prince Discussed Killing Other Enemies a Year Before Khashoggi’s Death

The truth revealed in this report is unbelievable. There is no secret that Saudis may want to perform the act of international terror. But what is unbelievable is hiring a private corp in London to perform the operation. Is "War on Terror" is a pure joke?

I think that we've legitimate interest in knowing about that «small group of businessmen», — and about the meaning of « directing his advisers to escalate military and intelligence operations outside the kingdom». Was the C.I.A. or MI6 or even Israeli Mossad contacted as 'advisors'? Perhaps not, as the horrific details of Khashoggi murder and body disposal plus the rocambolesque 'explanations' that followed were rather the result of childish and coarse improvisation. But, nevertheless, knowing the close relationships between all of them it's worth asking.

Saudi Arabia is anticipating and expecting an American Israeli pass to kill its own anywhere anytime with immunity and impunity. Prince Mohammad bin Salman's implausible denial is meant to terrorize friend and foe.

This newspaper has reported that the recording of the Khashoggi murder has been released to several western countries, including the United States. When is the press going to question President Trump regarding what he and our CIA director have learned from the recording and what action will they pursue in response to it.

We know it wasn't a 'rogue killing' as there is far too much evidence. What sickens me, beyond the murder, is that way Erdogan has played games since the start - this should have been a clear indictment of Saudi Arabia since the end of the first week. The evidence was all there, Erdogan knew as did the 'Prince' and his cohorts. What is going to happen now?

We need to demand that our government stops doing any business with these creeps Period.

So once again the world sees the kingdom of Saudi Arabia for what it really is, a global sponsor of terrorism and a ruthless killer. And what happens now? Will we see sanctions against Saudi Arabia like the ones against North Korea or Iran? Right, nothing will happen as the kingdom is also the best friend of the US and the role of the bad guys was set to be Iran. Since the US does not stop this terrorist country it is fully legitimate to call the US a state sponsor of terrorism as well. Which is already the image the US has in the region.

Donald's low friends in high places, the new autocrat's alliance.

What a surprise Trump and Jared friends of Prince who has journalist killed. Putin also adheres to that belief and yes Trump friendly with him too. Both countries governments can’t see what the rest of the world is so upset about. Trump in his mind is the dictator he was born to be. You guys fumbled an easy job. That’s how much he cares about this.

A line from this article referring to Messrs. Nader and Zamel both being witnesses in the Mueller investigation states "It is unclear how this line of inquiry fits into Mr. Mueller’s broader inquiry". The answer is, of course, they don't. This is just another fishing expedition by the Special Counsel, desperately looking to hook some small fry in order to justify his existence.

No great surprise - the Saudis and Israelis are doing their best to destroy Iran in order to further their own vicious goals and now they have a convenient and reliable attack dog in Trump. Obama actually broke free of the Saudi-Israeli stranglehold on US foreign policy in the Middle East and pursued a course of action that would bring peace and go a great distance towards bringing Iran back into the international system. But that would also mean that Israel would lose its freedom of movement in occupying Palestine and the Saudis would have to compromise their own goals. So, they set out to push the US back to its regressive and destructive policies and were successful. Hopefully, a Democratic President in 2020 will be able to fix the damage. In the meantime, I remind everyone that in the 1990s, more than 500,000 Iraqi children died from lack of medicine. In Iran, lack of medicine is already being felt. How many hundreds of thousands more people will the West murder so Israel can continue its illegal occupation and the Saudis can continue to play regional games with their oil wealth?

This dictator with one foot still in the 15th C. thinks he can get away with it too. Right now MSB and Iran etc. are talking about cutting oil production. Is the next war going to be about oil? I forgot we went into Iraq over oil. People are really afraid this self-indulgent ignorant bully Trump will get us in another war.

The American people are supposed to be lulled into apathy each time Jared and Ivanka tweet pictures of their children and family vacations on the ski slopes, and Ivanka's lovely handbags. Funny they don't talk about their friends' ambitions to political murder. The depth of their depravity leaves me speechless.

"Close to the Crown Prince" - does that mean he knew about it, ordered it - or was it a rogue effort? Does the U.S. target and kill enemies of the state? Align with Saudis or with Iran? Which has a worse human rights record and has killed more innocents? Many more facts needed in this article.

Look no where, Saudi government is the real sponsor of terrorism, now this MSB has direct hand in killing his dissidents.

All the little International Mafia dictators are getting ready for WW3. WE THE PEOPLE - average people across OUR United States of America and the world - are the only ones who can/will stop them. Thanks to the international media and other courageous people who are making this information public. WE THE PEOPLE can only fight the things we know about and NOW is the time. Before they can start WW3 and destroy OUR lives again.

Before I finished the first paragraph I knew Erik Princes's name was going to come up. I suspect that Mr. Mueller is finding more collusion with the trump group in the middle east than actually with Russia. trump is going to turn out to be the most easily manipulated puppet imaginable. The man is a laughingstock.

At long last, Jared's peace plan sees the light of day.

I have long thought that Iran would be a better ally for the United States than Saudi Arabia. Its people are cultured, educated, modern, industrious and young. About 60% of Iranians are under 30. They resent the religious strictures of the mullahs and weren't even born when Ayatollah Khomeini's followers overthrew the CIA-installed shah and later triggered the U.S. Embassy hostage crisis. By comparison, Saudi Arabia is still in the dark ages -- darker than ever now because of the power grab by MBS. Turkey has given Trump a tape recording of Khashoggi's murder but I'm still waiting to see what he does about it.

trump seemed to be angry less about kashoggis assassination than about the amateurish execution of it... had kashoggi been murdered in a more professional way, the president would not have been asked unpleasant questions... could it be that the saudis felt so secure because they had asked for some kind of consensus beforehand?

I for one was for trading relationships : Iran for Saudi Arabia. Iran’s population is cultured, educated, moderate, industrious. They are a more natural ally. Saudi Arabia wants to live in the dark ages. What their people did to the U S on 911 is infinitely worse than the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979. Let’s start demanding this from our politicians. And while at it, let’s start demanding that our politicians stop taking Saudi bribes!

So what else is new, Mossad has been doing this for years, particularly egregious in my mind is knocking of Iranian scientists who are thought to be working on the nuclear program. Can you imagine the uproar if one Israeli scientist or Statesman were assasinated, it would probably be reason cause to raise our defense budget by another hundred billion or so. Needless to say we have been destroying entire countries that don’t go along with our program for decades, including the Iranian coup when we overthrew their duly elected President and inserted the Shah as our and Israels puppet. All part of “ The War on Terror”, only trouble is who’s the terrorists these days, there have been many more deaths in America from domestic violence and “ domestic terrorism “ for lack of a better phrase when people who should be getting medical treatment are turned loose in a society where an Uzi can be bought at any gun show or on any street corner. Can one begin to wonder what a difference to our citizens were that $700,000,000,000.00/ year spent on infrastructure, education, housing and health care, not to mention the seven trillion spent off the books on the war on terror since the bombing of Iraq in retaliation for 9/11, an attack on our soil perpetrated not by Iraqis or Iranians but by Saudis including a member of the Saudi Elite, Osama Bin Ladin. BTW there was not a single Iranian involved in the financial crisis that crippled the worlds economy for a decade, we’re mad at the wrong guys.

In our US politics money buys a lot of power and the Saudis have a lot of it to purchase their friends. There will be no retaliation, they can literally get away with murder and the world is/ will be looking the other way. As it does in case of mass starvation in Yemen.

The Saudi monarchy could be abolished, all members of the royal family killed and a Republic of Arabia established. The U.S., perhaps acting together with other countries, COULD do this. It be a radical move but it would be solve the problem...forever.

What if after 9/11 the US had sent a wave of assasins ( plenty of KGB people were out of work the) to kill Islamist enemies whereever they were found? What if radical Islamist writers and preachers in London, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere had found themselves in imminent mortal danger? What if we had assassinated radical Islamist political leaders globally with no refuge? Maybe we wouldn’t be sitting on a 17 year long war that we can’t admit we have lost, leaving millions more humans under control of an malevolent anti-humanity ideology.

Perhaps an oversimplification. Leave the entire Middle East to their own devices. Stay well away in all respects.

Saudis in good company with their allies in Israel and the US. All have used political assassinations in the recent past.

The Saudis have spent decades and over 100 billion dollars exporting Wahhabism which gave us the Taliban, al Qaeda and ISIL, to name but a few of the terrorist Saudi-Wahhabist organizations. The number one goal of Wahhabism is to eliminate Shiites who the consider heretics. Thus Iran, the Houthi of Yemen and the al-Assad Syrian government are the Saudi's primary targets for destruction. The Saudis attack Syria through their terrorist proxies. In Yemen the ISIL terrorists fight in conjunction with the Saudi military to kill Houthi. The US government under both Republican and Democratic administrations have either looked the other way or supported Saudi Arabia. For the US it is all about money, oil and arms sales. This latest "Crown Prince" has kidnapped the Prime Minister of Lebanon, tortured and murdered a journalist in Turkey and is using US weapons and support to kill and starve million of people in Yemen. I guess allowing women to drive in Saudi Arabia is supposed to convince us that he is reforming Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is a monarchy. How many other true monarchies are left? None. That is because their people rose up in disgust over their totalitarian behavior. The Saudis have become besotted with power and exercise total and complete control over their citizens... and want to export the same control over others!

No wonder the Mueller investigation is on-going. Every thread they pull leads to another mind-blowing case.

1953 ..The USA overturns a popular and democratically elected Iranian government at the behest of British oil interests.. 2018 ..History repeating itself ...as farce.

Why is this story getting buried? This needs to be front page news, along with reminders of the operatives within the Trump and Obama administration who made this quagmire possible. MBS is bad news but his PR companies (based in the US) knew this already when they agreed to advise him and his US tour through the USA. It wouldn’t surprise me that with all this news coming to light, the CIA is counting on other Saudi royals to usurp authority away from MBS to “restore authority”. It’s been done before, and it will happen again and again and again...

The ability of MBS to shape his own image as a reformer is certainly circumscribed by the emerging body of evidence that he is a murderous thug. Someone in the kingdom is leaking. Unfortunately with Pompeo, Bolton, Kushner, and Trump in the mix, MBS is likely to get a pass from America. Other countries may not be so invested in the relationship. I suspect that when the going gets tough, the Trump/Kushner clan may rely on MBS to whisk them away in exile. Self interest always prevails with Donald and co.

The UN Charter articulates the aspiration of the nations of the Earth towards the rule of law after two devastating world wars where perhaps 100 million were killed. State ordered murders have continued despite the Charter. Now, the memories of those wars are becoming a fading memory and the nationalisms like those that led to the state ordered killings of millions are on the rise. The Security Council was established by the Charter to address crises that endanger world peace. Chapter VII empowered the Security Council to authorize sanctions and other measures against states whose actions pose a threat to peace. In 2015 the Security Council authorized the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action to curtail nuclear weapons development by Iran. The JCPOA represents the capacity of the Security Council to address nuclear weapons proliferation and other challenges. In 2018 the U.S. withdrew from JCPOA thereby weakening the power of the Security Council to fulfill its purpose defined in the Charter. Now, in view of the Khashoggi murder it would be appropriate for the U.S. to reaffirm its commitment to the rule of law and reenter the JCPOA . This would re-empower the Security Council and create opportunities for the Council to address issues with Iran that are outside nuclear weapons. The other permanent members of the Council plus the EU could then join with the U.S. to facilitate a comprehensive settlement of issues facing the region.

An unstable monarchy (MBS) is only a little less stable than an unstable democracy (DJT). Kings and presidents are reluctant to use direct assassination because they know, what goes around, comes around. That's why they prefer to wage wars using young adults and they teach their followers that to destroy the other is more virtuous than more productive uses of time and energy. Young people who feel they have no purpose find glory in the destructive career of the military and fear they will be bored if their lives aren't packed with destructive endeavors. In the US, Corporations have more say than the government does. We would fare well after a few beheadings. We do it all the time at the polls and in the press. Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, is on the brink of a total meltdown for they have put all their eggs in the king's basket and that's not a good bet.

This certainly isn’t the first time the US has aligned with nasty regimes all around the world and certainly not the last. The MBS of today is like the Shah of Iran 50 years back - ruthless and ambitious. The only difference since 2017 is that the US itself is run by a regime that does not even pretend to be about morality and civility. I would not be the least surprised if some folks in the Trump administration knew of the Impending elimination of Jamal Khashoggi and did not bother doing anything about it.

MBS knew, several calls were made to him from the consulate while the hit team, which included some of his own bodyguards, were there. The information about the calls leaked early on then the focus turned to the tapes, we will be hearing about the calls again if Turkey finds it advantageous. The question, and it's the only thing that really matters, is are Mr. Trump and Mr. Kushner and the Congress going to bed down with MBS knowing what they and everyone else knows? Are they really that corrupt and venal to let Saudi money be the determining factor?

It seems that the evidence indicates that crown prince mohamed bin salaman is not far from what happened to Khashokgi .. it is feared that due to worldwide pressure saudi arabia will have to choose between maintaining its international relations and its stability and between a change in the ruling heirarchy.

The United States has a horrible record when is comes to the leaders/countries we have backed in the Middle East. The list starts with the Shah of Iran and includes Saddam Hussain and Osama bin Laden. Our long term love affair with Saudi Arabia is inexplicable, considering that the 9/11 perpetrators were Saudis-no matter where they trained for the attack.

It seems to me, the Saudis would have been better off if the Obama Nuclear deal had been achieved unless they too have nuclear weapons. Did they not take into account that the other countries involved would go ahead with the agreement. How does this effect the Saudis? When and what part did Kushner play in all of this? Who did these business men meet with from the trump administration?

The CIA has had considerable experience and would probably have it at a cheaper rate. But perhaps this was the Kingdom’s bow to free enterprise.

Trump's "acheivements" are uniformly negative. He is replicating his " art of the deal" on the country---nothing more nothing less!

Unfortunately, this is not surprising news.

What does Jared Kushner know about all this and when did he know it? After all, he is close to the Saudi Crown Prince, to Netanyahu and to Donald Trump.

Interestingly the timing of this coincided with Saudi Arabia and Russia cooperating more with OPEC pricing. There seems to be a pattern to those who cooperate with Russia. Brutality, media manipulation, increased ethnic tensions, and instability.

It’s amazing how greedy adventurists like George Nader and Joel Zamel had been successful making a quick buck off the Saudis and other Sunni Arbs. They sought to fulfill their clients' requests, which ranged from contract killing of opponents and enemies overseas to other clandestine activities. Apart from Russian meddling, Trump also received help from Nader and Zamel, who did the bidding of Israel and the Saudi-led alliance. They all believed that a Hillary Clinton presidency would uphold Obama’s 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, and there would be “little appetite...for a concerted campaign to cripple the Iranian economy.” The Psy-Group, an Israeli company owned by Zamel formed a strategic partnership with Robert Mercer’s Cambridge Analytica, a data firm for Trump’s campaign in a joint bid to win business from the US government and other clients after the 2016 election. Cambridge Analytica is now under FBI investigation. Nader met Trump at a fundraising event in Dallas a year ago. He is cooperating with Robert Mueller, who investigates the flow of Arab money into Trump’s campaign, which is forbidden.

The world is becoming a much more dangerous place because of military technology, and the U. S. must increase efforts to promote peace. Currently we are on the wrong track. These leaders do not have the health of the planet and environment topmost in their priorities.

Even if the U.S. would have gotten $1T, let alone a puny few billions, arms sale from the Saudis, Trump needs to back away from cozying up with SMB. Remember OBL was once friendly with the U.S. when both were dealing with the Soviet in Afghanistan? The Chinese may still remember Nixon and Kissinger but the Saudis have no qualm to use the U.S. but turn against her alternatively if not at the same time. Israel too should be careful getting in bed with the Saudis simply because both hate Iran. The U.S. should extract herself from the whole snake nest when all the aforementioned players, including Israel, are using her one way or another. Remember the Stinger missiles the U.S. gave to the Mujahideen against the Soviet? They ended up pointing at America!

It would be interesting to know what the reaction of the Trump transition/administration members was to this talk of assassination. Likely they (and Trump himself if he knew) would at least tacitly approve of even illegal or underhanded behavior if it would forward their agenda.