Oh spare us the stories about the sanctimonious, spoiled, entitled boys of Georgetown Prep, Brett Kavanaugh being one of them. Aren't they proud? I, on the other hand am disgusted. We know the truth: He doesn't believe he could ever do such a thing, primarily because he has convinced himself that he is one of the anointed, a man who "deserved" to be a Supreme Court justice, but also because literally he actually doesn't remember doing this, due to his alcohol consumption. We have much evidence of Kavanaugh's hard partying ways; his friends from high school and college all remember his excessive drinking. In fact, he documented it himself, on his now famous calendars and in his yearbook. Kavanaugh's lying about his drinking, his evasive behavior when questioned about it, his mysterious gambling debts that conveniently disappeared, his smarmy interview on Fox on which he claimed to be a choir boy, his combative attitude when he essentially yelled through what was essentially a job interview--all these--I lay beside Dr. Blasey Ford's testimony, and I once again realize how completely inappropriate Kavanaugh's appointment to the Supreme Court is. Georgetown Prep can be proud, but in fact they have much to be ashamed of, and Mr. Kavanaugh is but exhibit one. Anyone who sends their son there, well, one has to wonder what the goal is.
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"What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep." ~Brett Kavanaugh
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"At Georgetown Prep’s annual reunion weekend, he was hailed as a conquering hero." I think all members of the Supreme Court are heroes and welcome its newest member who I have no doubt will make a fine addition. I do not believe the accusations made against Mr. Kavanaugh, but I do believe that he is a product of an obscene culture. I do not see his adolescent behavior as admirable. Nothing he did in his youth disqualifies him, but I do think this youth culture is to be condemned and discouraged. I read daily about hazing rituals gone wrong, excessive alcohol and drug abuse, racist taunts, and sexual abuse of every kind including rape. This culture should not be celebrated. Those of us who praise Justice Kavanaugh's great accomplishments owe it to young people throughout the country to discourage them from emulating what appears to have been a regrettable chapter in this fine man's past.
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So, Fr. Van Dyke, male elitist prep school loyalty is more important than common decency and respecting all people, including women? Is that the Catholic values you teach at Georgetown Prep?
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Your paper’s obsession with Georgetown Prep is evident of a deep psychosis and anti catholic bigotry. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the Catholic Church is the single most significant charity organization in the world. It feeds more of the poor, educate more of the uneducated and provide more shelter to the homeless than any religious or charitable group. Not even close. And they don’t ask for any acknowledgment.
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@Dady
No, the Times just reports the news and its contexts. What about the clerical sexual abuse issue? Is the Times obsessed with the Vatican?
I’m a product of a Catholic education (all schools co-ed, blessedly) but the culture revealed in the Georgetown Prep’s yearbook and other sources was extremely sexist and unhealthy—and hardly mitigated by the religious and other male teachers at the school. If boys in their formative years have such attitudes towards woman—basically seeing them as potential conquests to then be boasted about—do you think that their attitudes about the personhood of a woman will be so different when they are adults? And, by the way, the puritanical Catholic attitude toward sex ensured that the prep school boys felt that they had to get drunk before they tried to have sex with a girl. It’s all out there in writing.
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Gee, what a surprise.
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What was all that constipated, tearful whining we witnessed on the floor of the Senate? "My life is ruined! My family is ruined!"
Garbage. Of course he's a hero at GP; he was a legacy admit at Yale. He's the patron saint of spoiled frat boys everywhere.
Straight white male privilege means an entitlement to rage when you don't get what you want immediately.
I'd like to see him play tennis with Serena Williams.
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So a man can no longer go to his high school reunion without being trolled by the NYTimes? Of course he asked his friends to put down their beers for the group photo! He's not stupid and he now knows how anything will be used as "proof" of his alcoholism. Even asking the others to put down their beers (he was not drinking).
It is a very fine attribute for one to be loyal to someone one has known well for decades and knows to be an honorable (if not perfect) person. To do otherwise, just because of attacks by the press and the opposition party, would be akin to "rats leaving a sinking ship". We see that all too often these days - everyone running for cover lest they be painted with the same brush.
My late husband and my son both went to a New England prep school, at the time they attended, still all-boys. I accompanied my husband to 3 of these reunions. And yes, the booze flowed freely as it tends to do at parties for adults who are not part of a religious group that abstains from all alcohol. And yes, they fondly reminesced about their high-jinks at the time they were students. And being human, there were high-jinks, all of which were pretty harmless.
Schools, be they public or private then to honor their alums who achieve greatly. Sure - some of it is enjoying a bit of "reflected glory". I can't wonder if the article would have been slanted differently if this had been a public high school in Nebraska. a bit of reverse snobbery, perhaps?
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@India Holding her down with his hand over her mouth while his best buddy watched Ann’s laughed. Definitely some harmless high-jinks, eh?
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@India While I believe better Justices were available, I did not take Kavanaugh's high school behavior into consideration. He did enough damage to himself during the hearings. He made himself out to be someone he was not during the first hearings - a man of perfect behavior (only later did he admit to being human or Homer Simpson-like - "I like beer."). During his hearings, he was misleading and told what were possiblly lies to the Committee. And then his behavior on his "Lack of Anger Management Day" was atrocious. I don't mind him acting angry on the personal attacks, but his behavior, to Senators and partisan statements, were wild, irresponsible and flippant. I would have disqualified him for all of those reasons.
And the Trump outcry afterwards - what does one expect from a Reality Circus Ringleader? Not the truth.
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@eat crow Clearly, you believe in "guilty until proven innocent". I do not. Even the experienced sex crimes prosecutor who questioned Dr Ford said,
""A 'he said, she said' case is incredibly difficult to prove. But this case is even weaker than that," Mitchell wrote. "Dr. Ford identified other witnesses to the event, and those witnesses either refuted her allegations or failed to corroborate them."
She also said, ""For the reasons discussed below, I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case based on the evidence before the [Senate Judiciary] Committee," Mitchell wrote. "Nor do I believe that this evidence is sufficient to satisfy the preponderance-of-the-evidence standard."
I guess that's just not enough for those who wanted so very badly to find some possible way to stop Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation.
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Well, at least now conservatives can't whine anymore about how much Judge Kavanaugh and his "reputation'' have suffered.
Sounds like he is doing just fine.
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In the land of white privilege, he is a hero. I like beer.
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He still does.
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Hopefully Democrats will pay come election day for the despicable smear campaign they waged.
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@Don Logan: What smear campaign would that be? That man is so unfit to be on the Supreme Court. When I heard about all those bombs being mailed to the Clintons and other Democrats, I thought not only of Trump and all his hatred, but of Kavanaugh's ugly and paranoid rant against those very same people. Unfit!
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A new low.
As a fairly well to do white male I can say with some level of certainty that this is why many have nothing but disdain for the 1%.
The newest addition to the less than supreme court is a pig!
Asking a sitting US Senator if she had ever blacked out in response to his alcohol problem is deplorable.
But the GOP now owns him (for life) so it’s fitting.
As a fairly well to do white male I can say with some level of certainty that this is why many have nothing but disdain for the 1%.
The newest addition to the less than supreme court is a pig!
Asking a sitting US Senator if she had ever blacked out in response to his alcohol problem is deplorable.
But the GOP now owns him (for life) so it’s fitting.
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@Is_the_audit_over_yet
Such language coming for the elite liberal side. Shame.
And there was much ralphing...
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A great divide. If one is an "Ivy League" alcoholic he gets to be a member of the US Supreme Court. If a "disavantaged" smoking "weed/pot, etc." you get to become a member of a prison.
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"Following allegations that he had sexually assaulted a young woman during high school, Justice Kavanaugh’s drinking, rowdy behavior and treatment of women at Georgetown Prep nearly derailed his nomination."
Forgive me if I missed something during the Kavanaugh hearings but other than the unsupported allegations of Dr. Ford and Julie Swetnick, no one from Justice Kavanaugh's high school years has come forward to accuse him of mistreatment while he was in high school. In fact, many women who have actually known him during high school and throughout his career have contradicted this uncorroborated narrative and have attested to his positive support and treatment of women.
The problem with this whole matter has been the utter disregard for due process during and after the Kavanaugh confirmation.
It should frighten both liberal and conservative thinkers in this country that we were so willing to discard the idea of due process in the context of these messed up hearings. I actually heard Alyssa Milano say that we have to "figure out" what due process is in matters such as these. If we believe that due process is a right that changes with the circumstances, than we really have no understanding of the concept of justice under the Constitution,and we really are in trouble,
Forgive me if I missed something during the Kavanaugh hearings but other than the unsupported allegations of Dr. Ford and Julie Swetnick, no one from Justice Kavanaugh's high school years has come forward to accuse him of mistreatment while he was in high school. In fact, many women who have actually known him during high school and throughout his career have contradicted this uncorroborated narrative and have attested to his positive support and treatment of women.
The problem with this whole matter has been the utter disregard for due process during and after the Kavanaugh confirmation.
It should frighten both liberal and conservative thinkers in this country that we were so willing to discard the idea of due process in the context of these messed up hearings. I actually heard Alyssa Milano say that we have to "figure out" what due process is in matters such as these. If we believe that due process is a right that changes with the circumstances, than we really have no understanding of the concept of justice under the Constitution,and we really are in trouble,
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Where is the victim’s due process?
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@ACP Due Process is an issue in criminal cases, no? This was a job interview and after his pitiful performance he did not deserve the job. Agressive, cry baby behavior demeans the court he now sits on He did not display a sense of his own dignity or that of Senator Klobuchar in his reponse to her. He was performing for Trump. Failure in my book. Sad.
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The Jesuit’s America Magazine pulled its endorsement. Apparently they felt that white, upper class privilege was in the end insufficient qualification for a person so credibly accused (and with his response!) — even if that person attended one of their schools.
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/10/02/father-matt-malone-why-america-magazine-called-withdrawal-brett
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Shame on Georgetown Prep, their faculty, staff, parents, alumni, and current students. As an alum of another Jesuit high school, Father Van Dyke and Georgetown Prep have demonstrated their complete abdication from all Jesuit values. Father Van Dyke's words are scraping the bottom of the barrel, not striving for the magis. How can they expect their students to be Loving and Committed to Doing Justice when they welcome back Brett Kavanaugh? Is Dr. Blasey Ford not worthy of cura personalis? How dare any of them claim their words or actions are Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam. Disgusting.
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@catherine Wow! The Catholic Church would be rebuked if it followed its own discipline (as not perverted by Teddy McCarrick's distortion of letters from Rome) and refused to give Communion to "Catholic" politicians that support prenatal capital punishment; but if a Catholic school welcomes its own alumnus, against whom nothing has been proven, back for a football game, it's an example of "lack of cura personalis?" That's disgusting.
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Who cares. High school reunions? Who goes to them anyway. Maybe it’s different at prep schools, but it seems like reunions are about one-upping people and remembering “the good old days” that weren’t so good unless you were a jock or a cheerleader. Grow up people, high school is OVER. Be an adult. Get on with real life, and football is not it.
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@KathyGail
Pretty much. Reunions are sad. It's all "who are you and what do you do.........I'm bettter than you.....nothing has changed with that person.
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Some hero.
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Wow. So disgusting. Just shows what the culture is like there, if you can use the word culture in this context. I hope, at least, the faculty there is mortified.
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And to think, he almost lost his ability to take away a woman's right to choose by taking away a woman's right to choose. Another pro-birth man terrified of his invisible sky fairy.
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Any student who could not tell Kavanaugh was lying deserves to flunk.
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@William Doolittle Anyone who could not tell his accusers were lying deserves to be ruined by a false uncorroborated accuser.
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@Don Logan So I couldn't tell they were lying...exactly what convinced YOU they were lying? The money they received (oops, none there)? the fame they received (oops, death threats don't count)? I'd really like to know how guys can "just tell" that women are lying...
Looked to me like they were telling the truth for absolutely no gain at all on their part, and had corroboration that no one cared to hear or investigate (that would be the "limited" FBI investigation that resulted in many, many people with information being ignored).
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@Don Logan And yet she passed a polygraph and was on the record with having discussed the incident with several people years earlier.
Much stronger evidence than his temper tantrum.
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As a Roman Catholic I was very concerned about the charges of alcohol abuse and the denigration of girls in past years at a Catholic school. I am very familiar with parochial schools, having attended them in my childhood. Catholic boys and girls are no angels and not necessarily different from other students. However, I was really appalled at the apparent seedy behavior of some former alumni. Instead of attending bars, Fr. Van Dyke would be better off ensuring that this now infamous high school's history of drunken behavior in past years is not repeated again. Georgetown Prep is not the kind of school that I would allow my grandson to attend.
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For all those Trumpies out there waiting for me to apologize to Kavanaugh. Forget it! Just like he forgot the incident with Dr. Ford so many years ago.
I still see him as a partisan hothead, waiting to get back at any of the groups he mentioned in his rant before the Judiciary Committee.
The only thing corrupt about the hearing was the stunt that Graham pulled and a Republican Senate that always does what the master wants.
I still see him as a partisan hothead, waiting to get back at any of the groups he mentioned in his rant before the Judiciary Committee.
The only thing corrupt about the hearing was the stunt that Graham pulled and a Republican Senate that always does what the master wants.
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@Michael Kelly Miss Graham certainly did have the vaapurrs.
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You can just see how his life was ruined and why he had to yell at the Senators that questioned him.
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This is Trump visiting a rural state and having a rally. Kavanaugh, is the same person, a narcissist looking for validation. Yes, Mr. Kavanaugh, you are an, “evil,” monster, and deep down, you know it.
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The president of the school wrote a piece on how Kavanaugh did not represent the school. So why the hero treatment?
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Proud of Kavanaugh???? How horrible. I'd be ashamed if he'd been in my class.
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oh yes, he sets a shining example for the prep students. here's how to prep:
• blatantly lie under oath before the U.S. Congress
• lie again when a previous lie is uncovered
• get rewarded with a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court
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The fact that the first event of the Homecoming weekend is called "Stag Night" says it all.
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There are different views of Georgetown Prep and, of course, different views of Brett Kavanaugh, including whether he deserves to be Associate Justice Kavanaugh.
Some of us who never attended Georgetown Prep have vivid memories of Georgetown Prep grads we encountered at Georgetown University.
Those memories of hard-drinking, socially clumsy young men made the indignant denials of misconduct by Brett Kavanaugh at his confirmation hearing utterly beyond belief.
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My world view was expanded and liberalized by my education at Georgetown (University, not the Prep) and has continued to expand through my community at a Jesuit parish in San Francisco. I don't even recognize the attitudes of Georgetown Prep as Jesuit. Shame on them. You need to re-examine what it means to be a man and woman for others, not just your mates.
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There was an excellent column over the weekend on a different platform by Patrick Coyle, the director of marketing and communications for Georgetown Prep, entitled “Georgetown Prep after the Smear” that bears reading. The performance of the left-biased media on this topic was abominably unethical and unprofessional.
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@Mark T I am truly shocked the the director of marketing for Georgetown Prep had something positive to say about the school he works for. It's not like saying good things about the school is his job or anything.....
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@Mark T
Excellent? I read the same piece, and I was struck by the defensiveness and ignorance of it. Coyle, of course, is a Georgetown Prep graduate.
Coyle wants the reader to take at face value the claim that since the boys study theology, then they are obviously sinless. Yikes. I'm an observant Christian, and I can see right through that.
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Was Renate there, or just the Alumnus?
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I am sure women are still getting beaten up by angry men who feel validated by Kavanaugh's disgusting display of screaming anger on national TV.
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@@dogmavat argument by exaggeration is not a valid case. Domestic violence has always existed. After Kavakegstands infantile nationally televised screaming fit, calls to hotlines increased by 750%. Haven't you ever heard of leading by example? Well. Anger with a capitol A is what Kavakegstand embodies.
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A blackout drunk and dyed in the wool republican extremist. Good job, Georgetown Prep. Looking forward to seeing your Supreme Court justice in prison garb.
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Another article without a real topic about something that was alleged from over 35 years ago. A platform from which the underachievers can throw rocks up at their betters.
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@DaveD: Their betters? Hardly.
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He's a big hero to anyone who cares about bedrock principles of fairness, along with Sens. Collins, Graham, and Grassley.
The villains are equally obvious---the treacherous Sen. Feinstein, Sens. Schumer, "I am Spartacus" Booker, Harris, and Blumenthal.
Special mention for lawyer Michael Avenatti, who actually helped Kavanaugh--atta boy !
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@FredO HAHAHA!! good joke..First defense, always accuse your accuser of what you are guilty of yourself..
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@Grace Thorsen ... guilty of what? A flimsy allegation of sexual assault quickly crumbled despite Democratic efforts to pump it up.
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@BD I would rather wish he owned up to be a viscious partisan and a drunk, and that he follows the wishes of corporations and big money over workers and americans 100% of the time. Own it, Kavanaugh - plead jguilty, don' even pretend you can be fair or base your judgements in law...
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The men won on this. If it had been a Democrat the GOP would have been all over the place about it. What bothers me is that Kavanaugh was not held to a higher standard than the rest of us. I guess that being a white male in the GOP means you can do anything you want and get away with it. After all, look who's running the country into the ground right now: a rich white male who , like Kavanaugh, believes himself to be entitled.
Others have been hung out to dry in the court of public opinion for far less than what Kavanaugh was accused of doing. Yet the GOP and Trump, in a typical play for power, decided that it was fine to put a liar on the Supreme Court. He and Clarence Thomas, whether they are brilliant or not, lied to get to where they are now. They are not worthy of the honor.
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If Kavanaugh had been a Democrat, these allegations would never have been surfaced. This was simply a politically motivated character assassination.
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@Mark T For the sake of argument, I'll say I agree with you that this was a "politically motivated character assassination." (I don't agree BTW.)
Therefore, are you saying that Republicans don't take part in things like that? Swift Boats come to mind? Give me a break.
Therefore, are you saying that Republicans don't take part in things like that? Swift Boats come to mind? Give me a break.
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@hen3ry
She lied.
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A hero?? Only in a land which has been utterly bereft of heroes for decades.
Americans don't even know what that word means.
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@joel strayer
It just goes to show, when everything becomes an excuse for something "sacred" that nothing is sacred.
Thank God Kavanaugh isn't a priest. Old victims and unsubstantiated charges are victim friendly, if rarely acted upon, and never seem to go away.
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Georgetown Prep will now become itself even more so: parents who ascribe to "boys will be boys" and men should rule the world and religious faith is rigorously enforced only for some will want to send their sons there.
Parents who want their sons to learn in an environment that adheres to Jesus' message, that respectfully treats women as equals and that admonishes those with privilege to use it for the greater good should look to other schools.
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@Dee
Spoken like a true liberal.
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No one is talking about the winning football team.
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Why don't the NYT editors see this as the type of "fake news" President Trump justifiably rails against at his rallies? I am not a Trump supporter, but when I read an obviously biased and trumped up story like this one, I can't help but agree with Trump that certain so-called "journalists" are out to bend and twist facts in order to malign him, and in this particular case, his recent nominee to the Supreme Court.
Justice Kavenaugh visited his alma mater during homecoming weekend to watch a football game and socialize -- an activity many thousands of people undertake throughout the country this time of year. Naturally, his friends and co-alumnae are proud of him. The charges of sexual assault were thoroughly debunked during a public Congressional hearing and FBI investigation. The woman who accused him was caught lying, for no apparent reason, about her supposedly paralyzing fear of air plane travel. So how could anyone give any credence to anything else she had to say? Allegations without a shred of evidence to support them cannot be used to destroy people's lives. Not in America. Kavenaugh effectively defended himself against the allegation. He's entitled to watch a football game and socialize with old friends -- and accept congratulations -- without his every move being turned into a biased "fake news" account.
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Bless you for holding onto your sanity and decency. If only there were people like you running media organizations.
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Thoroughly debunked? Guess you were watching another channel. Shoved through is more like it.
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Remember what Kavanaugh proclaimed in several speeches: "What happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep".
With apologies to Robert Frost, "And that has made all the difference".
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It is my impression that Catholic boys schools are in trouble. The application pool is declining. BC High in Boston has seen applications decline by almost half, and I wonder whether applications will go down even more after this.
The folks who can pay tuition are making other choices for their sons.
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@Cousy
Yea, because they got greedy and decided they wanted to be a 6-12 school, rather than just a high school. Oh, that and the price tag is now north of $20k.
I lost respect for that place when I read in a local newspaper that the son of a local real estate multi-millionaire was awarded+a scholarship. That's great, but where are your priorities? The kid should not have been eligible for any scholarship when it would be noting than a drop in the bucket for his father to pay the bill.
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In power and in your face.
No doubt a bright lad. Then and now.
The outrage just getting rolling.
Not sure why Trump didn't just appoint himself to the court. OH, HE DID.
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"Partying with the Privileged" (alternative title)
I wonder how the pro-Kavanaugh supporters would describe a reunion at Georgetown Prep?
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@Question Everything Beer, beer and lots more beer.
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Having gone to a similar school during a similar period of time, Mr. Kavanaugh’s lies about his high school years during his hearing rang particularly hollow. Going to a boy’s school for the privileged few has many benefits; but self-reflection is rarely one of them, even as the school motto proclaims honor and service to society. With time and maturity most graduates of these schools go on to their pre-ordained lives of socio-economic success and society is none the worse off for the cringeworthy excesses of youth. That does not mean that the bad judgment of the old school days is granted a complete reprieve by the passage of time.
There is a memorable quote from the protagonist in the movie Three Days of the Condor to the effect that to some, not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth. Mr. Kavanaugh was caught in his lies and his behavior in getting caught and not confessing does not pass muster. He did not tell the truth simply because he knew he would not be held properly accountable for his lies. He is a disgrace to the school that honors him and a stain upon the Court upon which he serves. That should be the lesson learned by the boys of Georgetown Prep.
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@D. Smith ... lies? What lies? The allegations against him crumbled despite the efforts of Spartacus et al.
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The sublimation of indecency, Trumps alchemy
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It is nice that some normality has descended on Justice Kavanaugh and Georgetown Prep. Sorry to read all the snarky comments about both. Are not we supposed to be healing rather than dividing now?
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Normality = Party Time at Georgetown Prep
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@JimVanM We don't heal when being forced to accept a dramatically unqualified man onto the SCOTUS. No we don't. That would just be kowtowing to a tyranny.
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@JimVanM "Are not we supposed to be healing rather than dividing now?"
The Kavanaugh hangover is a really tough one to heal from.
The Kavanaugh hangover is a really tough one to heal from.
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Kavanaugh got what he wanted. He showed himself to be a biased person who is not suited for the bench. Nothing for any rational person to celebrate.
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Justice Kavanaugh is a hero to these students at Georgetown Prep as he should be. He has achieved the American Dream and has proven that with intelligence, hard work and grit that you can achieve much success in life. He is an excellent role model not only for them but for students throughout the country. They should be so proud of this fine and decent man and it is a privilege to have someone who is so outstanding and brilliant sitting on the Supreme Court. He went through a lot to get here and he deserves much credit for not ever giving up.
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Justice Kavanaugh is a hero to the Georgeteown Prep students, because they, too, are attending a secondary school that feeds into the Ivies, and they, too, feel entitled to the advantages they're reaping with a huge head start in life. Brett Kavanaugh was a legacy student at Yale, and while he may have worked and studied hard in school, he didn't have to be "troubled" by a work/study job or an off-campus job to pay for his books and education. Most importantly, BK demonstrated a completely unsuitable temperament for the highest court in the land with his alternate rudeness, weepiness, defensiveness, and out and out partisanship. He is an utter disgrace.
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@WPLMMT Heroes don't victimize the weak.
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@WPLMMT Does a decent man lie multiple times during a Senate hearing? Does a decent man brush aside the sincere and humble suffering of one of his victims? Your idea of decency is disturbingly grotesque.
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Who should be surprised by this? This is a school that has obviously been getting things wrong for a long, long time.
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Loyalty and looking after one another age generally laudable characteristics, but misguided loyalty and camaraderie often leave individual members of an institution unable to see the flaws and shortcomings of that institution. It is important for administrators of elite institutions such as Georgetown Prep to realize this because many of this school's graduates will go on to take leadership positions that require a higher set of loyalties (e.g., to justice and equal opportunity for all citizens).
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@Denwings
Exactly.
If I had another choice that was NOT Georgetown Prep then I would hire the other person.
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A hero's welcome at the football game.
And the school's Catholic priest hails him as well.
Of course.
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According to the Papal theologian, women may not be priests because they are not capable of logical syllogistic thought, and cannot repair roofs. Seriously, he said exactly these things. Also, women are happily in no need of being priests because they are able to worship and love Jesus as spouses, just because they are women and Jesus is a man. They can “kiss his feet and wipe his feet with their hair.” Now, if this is the Catholic view of women, presumably being taught at Gtown Prep, we can assume this is what Kavanaugh believes. Disgusting human male fantasy, this sort of thing, nothing whatsoever to do with God.
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Their poor daughters.
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Kavanaugh seems to have bounced back quickly and in robust physical and emotional health from the terrible trauma he claimed ruined his life and crushed his family. When was that--less than a month ago? My God the bad news in Trump America comes at us so fast!
Sad to see this school didn't take this opportunity to examine their culture, past and present. But why? Two, two! SCOTUS justices are alums! But no Squi at homecoming? Bummer.
Did anybody ask Kav about Ginrich's admission that "we'll see if all the Kavanaugh fight was worth it" when the expected upcoming showdown over revealing Trump's tax return hits the SC? Kav already has his vote ready.
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Brett Kavanaugh: High school hero.
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Was that a MAGA hat that Georgetown Prep's returning "hero" was wearing? Ever the calculating politico, his instruction to former classmates to hide their beers was most revealing. What were you afraid of Brett?
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@John Grillo my thoughts too. If he has nothing to worry about with respect to his drinking why did he tell former classmates to hide them? He's legal now even if he wasn't then. I'm not surprised that he's going back to the place where he was able to be so free, to be a "boy" rather than learning how to be a responsible mensch. He still has a lot to learn about being responsible, kind, gracious, and a Supreme Court Associate Justice.
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@John Grillo If it were a MAGA hat I seriously doubt a reporter for the NYT would has failed to mention that.
@John Grillo
If it was, a pic of it would have run on the print edition of this paper and would have been plastered all over this same news and ildeology site.
Oh! Rich-kid Catholics! -- a category unknown to my 'caste' in mid 20th-C. Brooklyn (thankfully, I might and do add, upon regard of Georgetown Prep's motley 'Kavanaugh crew').
P.S. Hey! Father Van Dyke:
As 'well' as you herald that crew, you'd probably 'make' a near-perfect cheerleader for the church's 'hide-the-predators' campaign. Geez ... more than 40 years since I exorcised religion, with 15 years of Catholic 'school' education 'under my belt,' I was still so naïve as to expect more from the Jesuits. Then again, in the Georgetown Prep worlds, I guess the money is right -- and so ... I shoulda 'known.'
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Gee, what a shock! Kavanaugh welcomed by white, privileged and entitled classmates. They like beer!
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This article is clearly a biased NYT article against the justice with its emphasis on prep school drinking and rowdiness. What was the point of doing this article beyond being able to continue throwing a shadow on Justice Kavanaugh and besmirching a prep school further. I really don’t know why I continue my Times subscription with such blatantly ‘agenda’ pieces.
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@JoLaw NYT was spot on with this and other articles. This is why I recently subscribed. Kavanaugh is a stain on our SCOTUS.
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Read the article twice. Seems fact-based to me. In fact, seemed even-handed with no “agenda.” Maybe you didn’t like the instruction to put down the beers? If an article like this makes you angry, why do you read the NYT? Just stick with Fox. They’ll tell you what you want to hear.
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@JoLaw The point of the article was to show that the place where he learned disrespect for everyone and was trained in privilege continues to do the same for everyone who goes there. It shows that besides molesting little boys and covering it up, the Catholic church believes in treating women like slaves. Your personal discomfort with this is not the concern of the rest of us who now understand that his animosity to all who are not white and privileged is learned in an institution that teaches those values.
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A hero? That doesn't speak well of Catholic male education. Seems sexcapades by priests and lay members are just A OK in the Catholic Church. No contraception, women's equality, or abortions but yo are free as Catholic en to screw around, boys, girls women not a problem, just no men.
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This piece made me nauseous.....'put down your beer'.....gross.
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Father Van Dyke lauded “the loyalty that you have had to each other, the way that you have looked after each other, and not just in the big stories but also a lot of small stories.”
This is the crux of the problem. An elite Catholic school which prides itself in protection itself. Even if the actions they are protecting run afoul with the norms of our society, let alone the laws of our country.
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Why exactly do parents send their boys to Georgetown Prep? Their beer-loving-drink-until-black-out alumnus is hardly an endorsement for quality education. Not to mention the lying under oath, hubris, and disrespect to others.
The good thing is, the truth about Brett/Bart will eventually come out. It always does.
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I will always think of Kavanaugh as the judge who refused to take a lie detector test to prove his innocence. The fact that the Democrats failed to question Kavanaugh about this refusal is especially infuriating in light of Kavanaugh's so called "harsh" treatment.
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@Jack Edwards There is a reason lie detector results are not allowed as evidence in court; they are quite unreliable.
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"I like beer." "Devil's Triangle." Trying to take a girl's clothes off. Of course, he's a hero to teenage boys.
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The only satisfaction I get out of the whole thing -- Kavanaugh's lies, his co-conspirator Republicans' sweeping of his dreadful character under the rug, and, worst, Georgetown Prep's celebration of THIS man's ascension to judge the rest of us for the rest of our lives -- is that what they thought would protect him, namely the cynical and absurdly truncated and narrowed FBI 'investigation,' has instead put him under the cloud of public suspicion that, like Clarence Thomas's, he won't ever escape.
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He likes beer. I get that. But drinking beer at a high school football game? What kind of role modeling is that? Who allows that?
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"Prep's mission is to form men of competence, conscience, courage, and compassion; men of faith and men for others," is part of the statement posted on the school's website. Kavanaugh lacks almost all of these characteristics yet he is held as the gold standard for young men and alumni. What shallow, empty words.
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It is great to see the Justice enjoying himself with some good, long time friends.
These unfounded and unproven smears on his character were a national disgrace.
So glad this good man is now on the Court.
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@JJS
"So glad" that you don't care about women, under-age drinking, unions, pensions, voting rights, separation of Church and State, child molestation or lies.
And I seriously doubt that Kavanaugh has any friends.
Friends don't let friends drink and grope.
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@JJS
Truth is not disgraceful.
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The Pope must just be so proud.
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thinking of the message this disgusting chain of events sends to the current generation of high school boys: it's ok to drunkenly force yourself on an unwilling girl, as long as all your buds have your back and deny the whole thing. majority rules! so much for truth and justice.
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@chatsnoir So "innocent until proven guilty" , you mean that message ? Or the intolerant left and there blind hatred of things not going their way ?
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Shame on you Georgetown Prep.
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He is grotesque, and shameless. They are clueless, and ignorant.
Period.
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@Phyliss Dalmatian Rally. He is a great man, that was targeted by the left for the sole fact that they lost an election. He is a GREAT man. Remember : innocent until proven guilty in a court of law ?
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@DJ Trump It wasn't a court of law.
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The court of public opinion. doesn't have to play by those rules.
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Note to self: keep my daughter away from Georgetown Prep boys.
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I was struck in the Kavanaugh hearings at his frequently expressed views about what "everybody" does.
Of course all high school kids drink huge amounts of beer. Of course high school kids spend their summers driving from country clubs to rented beach houses. Of course studying theology insulates one from accusations of misconduct. Of course locker room behavior and course behavior is to be expected. Of course girls are sexual objects.
These views are fostered at all boys Catholic schools like no other environment. I don;t see the draw.
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We, our sons & daughter were Jesuit educated in the ‘70’s, ‘90’s & early ‘00s. We observed that many oblivious kids arrived at school with a home-grown culture of (white) privilege that was carefully tended, defended & honored by parents, students and alumni. Superseding it required vigilance with our kids, their Jesuit and lay teachers, coaches, peers and peer parents.
We recognize now that the own Church’s pernicious abuse & protection of power prevents it from realizing its declared mission to counter ingrained cultures of injustice. VanDyke’s comments still shocked us in contrast to the way Jesuit Presidents who once led our sons’ schools publicly confronted issues of abuse and injustice. Sadly, we’d likely choose differently today.
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@MILWAUKEE
My son also went to a Jesuit high school and I can relate to your comments. There are good, thoughtful, and compassionate young men who are alums of Jesuit high schools. Then there are the Brett/Bart Kavanaughs and their ilk.
My son, also a graduate of GPrep, is an EMT who works overnight weekend shifts for our local Fire Dept. He is working his way through college. He was overwhelmed by the hypocrisy he experienced at GPrep. And now, after reading this story about Kavanaugh's welcome back to the GPrep campus, he is saddened by the weight of injustice and disregard for the truth his alma mater is displaying.
So sad to see Jesuit education undermined in this way, including the comments by the school's new president and those who have responded to this NYT story by claiming it is one more attempt to smear a qualified justice.
Perhaps there is no way to clue the GPrep community in on what compassion truly means, or what a true "man for others" aspires to achieve and represent.
So sad.
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Get over it. All the might of a major political party and the press were not able to find one single piece of corroboration or evidence. Following a man out of spite is called trolling.
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@J Park
They didn't look.
In fact, they were expressly told NOT to look.
THAT is what will follow this man and the Supreme Court for the next half-century.
Just like Clarence Thomas.
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This was not a court of law, it was a hearing on the behavior and fitness of a potential SupremeCourt judge. He was obviously not fit by temperament, and we were never allowed to know the man’s actual behavior during his most important work for Bush, so we can assume that things detrimental to his character were being most deliberately hidden. But Trump did as he wished. Kavanaugh is a symbol and forever will be a symbol of what happens when, through manipulation foreign and McConollian, democracy is totally subverted and an utterly immoral man is elected to the Presidency.
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@J Park
Trump quashed the FBI investigation.
But you knew that.
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Mr. Kavanaugh was vetted 6 times during his long government career and a 7th time after his hearings, and the FBI found no evidence of wrong-doing.
Dr. Ford, who accused Mr. Kavanaugh of sexual assault, was unable to remember the day, month, year, city or house in which the alleged assault took place, nor how she got to or from her home to the location of the alleged assault. The witnesses she named as being present were, according to the FBI, unable to recall the alleged incident. Dr. Ford has had 35 years in which to bring criminal or civil complaints against Mr. Kavanaugh, but did not do so and has now said she does not plan to do so. She was the Dems' star witness, and her allegations were unsupportable because they were uncorroborated and lacked even rudimentary evidence.
Dr. Ford's high school yearbooks, which were purged from the school website, showed a culture of drinking and misbehaving that precisely paralleled that of Georgetown Prep.
As a life-long Democrat I am disgusted with the so-called Democratic leaders and their phony attempt to derail Kavanaugh's confirmation and tarnish his reputation, an exercise in political theater rather than a genuine search for truth and justice.
Let's stop this nonsense and focus on getting out the vote next month and in 2020, the best way to exercise--and achieve--Democratic power. Besides, continuing to attack Justice Kavanaugh can only energize the Republican base and push some independents/undecideds to the dark side.
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@Ro Ma Sure - you're a life long Democrat. For myself, I just won the lottery!
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To Ro Ma. Did you read the account of Mr Weber about the synagogue shooting? He couldn’t find his way home in his familiar neighborhood. That’s how traumatic events can affect people.
Just simply admit that in your mind the white males get whatever they want, even if there is ample evidence on display, in a televised meltdown, that Bart is still the rage-filled entitled brat he always was.
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You might want to do some serious reading on the effects of trauma on memory, something that Dr. Ford her self brought up during the hearing, but I guess you missed that part.
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“At Georgetown Prep’s annual reunion weekend, he was hailed as a conquering hero.”
As well he should be.
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What a shame
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So much for his life being ruined...
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@Kevin J.
This is what "ruined" looks like to someone like Kavanaugh and his tribe of P.J.s and Squis.
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@Kevin J.
That was such nonsense. He would still be a federal judge. He would still live in a circle of influence and wealth. And since his father made $4 million a year as a lobbyist and Brett was the only child, I assume he would have still inherited quite a bit. Compare that to people who work all their lives for minimum or slightly above minimum wage and who can be fired in a heart beat, lose their income and their insurance, if they had any.
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@Nas..he lives in the poor neighborhood in Chevy Chase!
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I hope the media will for once and do it's job and ride Kavanaugh like they did Hillary ride him until he breaks.
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Shame on you, Georgetown Prep. I was sitting around a table with my neighbors the other day, and they talked about how many of their kids went to Georgetown Prep in the 80s. They talked about the well-known culture (their kids told them later in life) of heavy drinking and partying. You know that and Judge Kavanaugh knows that ... and we don't know what happened. But to be cheering at a time like this, when we do know—from many from DC who went to school there at that time—that the there was fertile ground for what happened to Dr Ford. Shame on you Georgetown Prep.
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@Jordan I hope that Georgetown Prep and other elite Jesuit schools learned something from the Kavanaugh hearings. Yes, I am sure that drinking and partying have gone on while the Jesuits look the other way, but the yearbook trolling by the Democrats during the confirmation process hopefully taught prep schools something. However, a reunion is not a time for correcting past mistakes. It was a victory celebration.
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@Jordan
How is it possible that your friends didn't know their adolescent students at Georgetown Prep were drinking at parties in the '80's? They didn't know a hangover when they saw one? They never asked where the parties were, and who the adult chaperones were? They didn't know that alcohol, drugs, and sex are present at unchaperoned teenage parties? Either your friends were clueless to the point of naivete, or they think you are.
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@Jordan. People used, and still use, I believe, Private Elite Secondary Schools as a substitute for the responsible-parenting that they were too lazy (and too “busy”, and too spoilt themselves) to do. As mr. Kavanaugh himself suggested, mr. Judge was one case of the casualties of that neglect. No, you cannot purchase parenting for your teen.
Georgetown Prep appears to reject responsibility for the behavior of its students, then and now.
They may have a Supreme Court alumnus, but they also have a man who lied under oath for the highest court in the land and abused women. Nice going - hope you've learned how to educate more responsible young men since then, Georgetown.
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@socal60 actually they have 2 SC alumni. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh!
Proof that GPrep turns out men intended for great things. Stop being jealous and flying with uncorroborated allegations.
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@socal60 You have no proof that he ever abused anyone. Allegations are not evidence.
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@socal60 We saw his partisan and disrespectful, sneering attitude. His rich, white, powerful, man's self pity was outstanding. He was obviously unfit for the highest court in the land whether he attacked a girl or not.
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