In a Sour Season Between the U.K. and Russia, a New Casualty: Debutantes

Sep 16, 2018 · 20 comments
Dionne (Pennsylvania)
Give me a break. Russian oligarchs unable to have proms and to be presented to society in the way they are accustomed. All because of those inconvenience poisoning’s on London soil. These are the same Oligarchs that are closely tied to Putin etc... Truly this article sounds tone deaf and they are likely in for more “inconvenience “ as if we ever truly investigated and addressed Russian interference in our elections and internationally then Russians may find themselves paying a steep price for their actions.
Paul Baylard (California)
The sins of the parents fall upon the daughters? How pathetic reading the NYTimes commentary below as so many have fallen into their own abyss and strike out at others whom are just starting out in the world.
Jack (Austin, TX)
Wealthy Russians willing to drop thousands of $$$ to re-live their 200 years old lost history and they can afford it... No problem... But... let's keep in mind that most of these people are the sycophants of uncle Vlad and his echo chamber of anti-Americanism, anti-liberalism, troll factories, election wrecking and chem poisoning kleptocracy called Russian regime. As they say, some countries have mafia... in Russia, mafia has the country.
alyosha (wv)
It's good to see that, at last, we've decided really to get tough with the Russians. When you go for the Deb Option, you get their attention.
LadyScrivener (Between Terra Firma and the Clouds)
Cities such as NYC, Miami, Tampa and likely Las Vegas are in need of similar legislation (if they don't have it already) to check into the provenances of luxury properties, as there are more than a few foreign property buyers with murky documentation, who have purchased property in big U.S. cities. Heck, there are probably more than a few in Trump tower alone! These people use LLCs to purchase properties in relatives' names. In the past, publications like The New York Times had written extensively about this. Has any progress been made on identifying who these people are and where their money came from?
Edith Thomsen (Wa state)
@LadyScrivener 'House of Trump, House of Putin' (Craig Unger) is a must read for anyone interested in the oligarchs/Russian mob/Trump and realty connections.
Neil (Texas)
It's pure decadence - nothing else. And Brits are paying for it and will continue to - until they realize that this ill gotten wealth is a posoned chalice. Most Brits who are "commoners" aspire just for a day to be members of the "high class" untouchable society. Go to the Ascots - to get a measure. This society - clinging to it's dwindling fortunes thanks to taxes and problems with inheritances - have embraced these thieves to replenish their stock and make themselves still relevant. Until this spineless British government realizes the poison eating out it's society - remember, we threw out more Russian diplomats over this murder than all nation's combined - Russians know that Brits care little for welfare of it's "commoners."
Helen (UK)
@Neil "Most Brits who are "commoners" aspire just for a day to be members of the "high class" untouchable society". Really? Really? Where on earth did you get that idea from? Most of us just want to do the same as most of you - get a job, get paid, pay our taxes, have a roof over our heads, etc. Regarding Londonstan ... Might you have thrown out more Russian diplomats over the Skripal case because there were more posted in the US? I don't know - do you?
Rocky (Seattle)
Is this where one can get one's money and one's costume laundered in one place?
Terri Cheng (Portland, OR)
When one witnesses the hardships endured by the majority of Russians in Russia, you can only feel contempt for those who have stolen the wealth of Russia and ensconced themselves in the West, feeding their children with the figurative gold stolen from the teeth of the poor.
M. Paire (NYC)
They should not have waited until the deaths of civilians. Scrutiny of ill gotten gains should be part of the vetting process of everyone. Russian oligarchs, Chinese oligarchs, everyone. And with the recent shameless compromise of America's institutions, it's a wonder how long they escaped this vetting so far. Money laundering through real estate is also a problem in New York and other cities in North America. Thousands of apartments sit empty while working class citizens are shut out of housing. I guess crime does pay.
Erland Nettum (Oslo, Norway)
Not likely to be much honest earned rubles spent on that ball.
Mat (Kerberos)
Cracking down on oligarchs or Putin apparatchiks is long, long overdue in this country, so I have little patience for an over-wealthy privileged few complaining about visa problems. While this sounds encouraging, the govt is not really very serious about tackling dirty money of Russian origin. They could take a look at the likes of KPMG, EY or PWC who profit from providing financial services and accounting to oligarchs (while ignoring ‘unusual’ or unknown sources of income for their new employer). But oh no, the UK government also employ these companies for various services. (There’s a good investigation into govt-employed orUK-based accountancy companies and their blind eye towards possible crimes/laundering in wealthy Russian accounts in Private Eye #1478).
Rocky (Seattle)
@Mat The City and Wall Street, who run the world, don't care about the provenance of money, as long as it pays good commissions.
Helen (UK)
@Mat Allegedly the UK government pays Amazon more for it's cloud-based services than the company pays in taxes. It's not just the Russians who aren't paying enough.
Caroline (Chicago)
It's hard to sympathize with the British visa woes of elite Russian debutants, given the hell that truly needy migrants suffer. What a fascinating, refreshing take on something that usually begins from, and ends with, geopolitical policy actors.
Joel Sanders (Montgomery, AL)
It’s ironic. While the British consumed with angst about brown skinned immigrants, great swaths of London have been taken over by Russian oligarchs.
MB (W D.C.)
Exactly and even when their own citizens are murdered, Theresa May and her cronies might pass a law next year??? Weak response, it will happen again.
Helen (UK)
@Joel Sanders Really? I don't think we're consumed with angst about brown skinned immigrants, or black-skinned immigrants come to that. There are some small-minded people in rural towns who are, but the cities? No. But then I live a 20 minute drive from the dead centre of London, so what do I know. Oh - and it's not great swathes of the city that have been taken over by oligarchs. Some areas have a relatively high percentage of Russian owners, but other areas have a high percentage of Americans. And others have French, Germans, Dutch, Italians and Swedes, etc. etc.
Helen (UK)
@MB "And when their own citizens are murdered …" Have you compared our rates with yours on a pro-rata basis? We had 791 homicides in 2016 (1.2 per 100,000 population). A terrible statistic. But in the US it was 17,250 (5.35 per 100,000). We have plenty of problems over here, but it is relative.