A win for globalist Hillary Clinton would have strengthened terrorists around the globe. Putin knew that. So of course he wanted Trump to win, because Russia has a serious terrorist problem And at the same time Putin knows that a political civil war in America will help Russia to become a more powerful nation. So Russia sowed seeds of discord to instigate and promote animosity between the Democrats and Republicans.
They all should have warn rubber Richard Nixon masks. Then for certain they would have went unnoticed.
The is going to be a hard-won battle, protecting our media from outside influences....and the ruling party has to care a little bit.
The bogeyman doesn't come looking like the bogeyman.
"... did not envision the seemingly far-fetched possibility that Russians might enlist them as unwitting players in a scheme to undermine American democracy."
They still don't.
Not only were the Russians able to infiltrate the Florida Trump campaign, they were also able effectively to deactivate the Facebook account as the sign of such involvement. Is that where police keep their secrets?
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Of course the writer knows that none of this speculation shall be tested in Court. The indictment could have said that President Trump wrote Hillary Clinton's incriminating emails. There is a good principle of American Law and of Law in most countries; that principle is innocent until proven guilty. It would be good if the corporate media could follow the basic principles of Law and cease creating fake news to promote its own agenda.
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The reason that none of the indictments against he Russians will be tested in court is that Putin will not extradite any of those folks for trial and presumably none of them will voluntarily appear either.
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Why would someone take the time to read the NYT, then take more time to write a comment calling out the NYT as “the corporate media” and “creating fake news to promote it's own agenda?" If you dislike the corporate media and consider the NYT as part of the corporate media, and say they create self serving fake news, then why on earth would you read something you dislike so much? This seems suspicious. Trolls come to mind.
He goes on to state, “There is a good principle of American Law and of Law in most countries; that principle is innocent until proven guilty.” That statement is interesting because the commenter identifies himself as coming from Ankara, the capital of Turkey. Interesting because Turkey doesn’t buy into that principle. Over 110,000 have been locked up after the coup attempt with only about 41,000 charged. That leaves over 60,000 detained without charges. So much for innocent until proven guilty.
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I read the New York Times so that I have some factual basis for comments I make about the Corporate Media. It really is important to hear the viewpoints of people we disagree with; and it helps to understand what propaganda is used nowadays to drive US opinion.
‘Corporate Media’ is a collective term for media which are owned by a small group of Corporations which dictate all editorial content. Nothing unusual in that and it is a widely used term. The newspaper ‘Pravda’ was one of the better known in the days of the Soviet Union. ‘Pravda’ means truth in Russian. Many in the USA, perhaps Mr. Dipple included, do not realise that Corporations, like Facebook and Google are now exercising censorship of views that diverge from the current US Government ‘Pravda’. My Lithuanian friends tell me that nobody believed Pravda when Lithuania was ‘occupied into’ the Soviet Union.
I live in Lithuania – not Turkey. Not sure why that location stuck in my laptop, but I recently worked in Ankara for a couple of months. Mr. Dipple, that error makes the rest of your comments irrelevant. In Ireland we say, that bad sports men go for the man, not the ball. Please reconsider when you realise that error in your conclusions; and please drop that silly term ‘Trolls come to mind’ – it really is infantile.
So, for you, Turkey’s legal practices are an acceptable basis for the USA to dismiss the principle “Innocent until proven Guilty”. blaming others for your own errors is also infantile.
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Confronted with evidence that the Russians infiltrated the Florida Trump campaign, Ms. Ramos proceeds to blame the Democrats and Hillary Clinton.
"Ms. Ramos, who briefly worked for the Trump administration before returning to Florida, suggested that Mrs. Clinton’s allies might have tried to frame the Trump campaign. “I’ve been around long enough to know that if Democrats are blaming Republicans for something, they’ve already done it, and they’ve done it worse,” she said. “So I feel like maybe your questions are best directed to someone from the Hillary campaign, rather than myself, because I’ve not seen anything that would represent any type of collusion or any Russian influence.”
Wow. This woman exemplifies what is wrong with our country today: belligerent ignorance and lack of shame, and no moral rudder.
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The entire arc of 45's disgusting existence has been to launder money for criminals... how could anyone NOT see Russia's hand behind every dollar and every offer of help?
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Given this information, it sure seems to an outsider that Trump is either dangerously stupid or willingly complicit in the destruction of America (at Russia's behest). I find it odd that he has not simply been thrown out of office yet, the damage he is doing is enormous.
Americans should be ashamed.
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Even without Russian interference and social media trolling on the internet, the GOP nominee for president had legions of supporters out there who believed in him and wanted to bring down Hillary Clinton. The Republican nominee's raucous rallies, positive media coverage from Fox and Breitbart News and James Comey's 11th hour letter may have been enough for him to win.
The Russian trolls seemed to understand the stress and strain of a presidential campaign, voting patterns and blocs better than American staffers and campaign aides supporting the candidate.
This is why the FBI and intelligence agencies need to urgently monitor cyber crimes, despite the president's indifference to the electoral system being poisoned by a foreign virus. If political volunteers can be taken advantage of in a general election, America's unique democratic traditions for electing their leaders will have to be recalibrated, a process that will consume years into the future.
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Well, we could turn around, especially with this bought and paid for GOP ruled Congress, and say that when they point the fingers at the Democrats it is most definitely a crime that Trump or they are committing. We have learned that to our dismay and total disgust.
This group probably were innocent dupes, but all the meetings, emails, calls and contacts made by Don Jr. and Kushner were certainly not because they did not know they were dealing with Russians. They went hunting for dog, or Putin or just sat up and begged for his help when it was offered.
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On December 5, 2015, I sent the following email message to the Public Editor at the New York Times using my real name and address.
It goes without saying (of course) that no one at the Times ever saw fit to respond to my warning.
Dear Ms. Sullivan:
For the second day running, someone using the handle "Kunal Mukesh" has posted a comment about Trump. In each day it has ended up in the second or first ranked position.
This has clearly happened because someone is specifically sending a link to this comment to people who are otherwise not part of the Times' readership community.
Below is a screenshot of today's message 38 minutes after it was posted; there were zero recommendations.
[Image of New York Times comment posted by someone using the handle "Kunal Mukesh".]
Now [less than eight hours later] that same comment is ranked at number 1:
[Updated image of New York Times comment posted by someone using the handle "Kunal Mukesh".]
Someone from or supportive of the Trump campaign is seriously manipulating and distorting your readers' forum. This is not a good thing.
I urge you to prevent these trolls from destroying a vibrant and honest intellectual community.
/s/
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Our open society allows this type of manipulation to take place. It is ironic that the platform is Facebook. Facebook was the enabler of this messy business yet it is the creation of a person who is the antithesis of Trump. There was no reason to know Skiber was phony and part of a Russian scheme. The Democrats would have fallen for the same ploy. We understand that Facebook and other social media is trying to put safeguards in place. Good Luck. Maybe people should be encouraged to vote on the basis of what candidates actually say. Watch the debates. Read mainstream press. Rely on first hand experience or commentary from well recognized individuals. Still, we do not know and Mueller's office has not said that the meddling actually effected outcome. So far, we have been told the opposite. And, we do know that HC lost 70 electoral votes in the rust belt that she had taken for granted. That is how DT won: it was those 70 votes. But, what about next time? Maybe the Russians can not be stopped, but maybe we can be more vigilant.
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“Nobody reasonably would have asked — or even thought to ask — ‘Are you sure you’re not with Russia?’”
No, but they could have asked,"Are you sure you're not supporting some form of fascism?"
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