The Greatest Figure Skater Ever Is Michael Jackson on Ice, Surrounded by Winnie the Poohs

Jan 04, 2018 · 49 comments
topazgirl170 (Milwaukee WI)
For me, Hanyu is the greatest male figure skater of all time. He is perfect blend of musicality, artistry, difficult technical elements, performance and skating skills. He works super hard, never complains, very humble and gracious in defeat and when winning. He makes everything looke easy and effortless. 2015 He beat the world record twice in a two week period His performances at the 2015 Grand Prix Final are considered the best ever. Here is the free program from the 2015 Grand Prix Final. https://youtu.be/QWQs--Rgl4k
Sara (New York)
Why is it that the amazing stories of American women skaters, one steadily building to triump and one with an astounding comeback, are lumped into one group story on the back page of the sports section - while the story of one erratic male skater (much adored by his countrywomen, natch) takes not only the front page of the section but a double truck (TWO facing pages in their entirety) inside the sports section? Who would the young women need to sleep with at the NYTimes to get adequate coverage for their sports accomplishments?
Susan Slattery (Western MA)
Off to You Tube I went for a look at Hanyu's performances. I have to say, Chang W. Lee's photos say more to me than seeing the actual performances. If I were Hanyu, I would frame the photo with the caption "He's powerful and tender," one fan said. "His emotion will heal your heart." This photo is not of Hanyu doing a quad, nor a spin, it just seems to me to be a perfect capture of what I believe is Hanyu's aura, presence, his utter appeal.
james (portland)
Great skater, athlete, but MJ? Hunh?
JBC (Indianapolis)
With better music selection his gifts would be showcased even more.
patwashburn (Maine)
Hey NYTimes digital team, we have a bunch of photos of the skating but only a video of the scrum with the stuffed animals. Could we perchance add a video of the man skating so we know what the fuss is about?
stuckincali (l.a.)
It always makes me laugh when Frank Carroll puts down skaters. This is the guy who pushed and pulled to have Tara Lapinski compete at the senior level, even though she was a little girl. She went pro after the Olympics, so she would not be beaten by Kwan or the other female skaters who had bad days on th eice.
Anne (Washington State)
Are you saying that Michelle Kwan's coach, Frank Carroll, "pushed and pulled" to have Tara Lipinski skate at the Senior level?
Louise Lu (Vancouver)
"His routines bear the appealing, tense contrast between art and athleticism at the heart of figure skating. " What's unique about Yuzuru Hanyu's figure skate is that it beautifully combines art and athleticism together. He is capable of producing programs with got high technical/element scores (high base value of element plus excellent grade of execution) and high program component scores (factors of which are skating skills, transitions, performance, composition, interpretation of the music). This is why he has broken world records for 12 times. In fact, as he matures, he is one and only person who breaks world records in the last four years, 10 times between Dec 5, 2013 to Sept 22. 2017, inclusively. He just start jumping his new Quad Lz publicly in 2017 Rostelecom Cup in last October. Those 4lz were executed astonishingly. The one that he put in his long program earned him positive grade of execution. To me it means that he has not reach his full potential. I am very looking forward to his performance in the future competitions.
Eleanor Clark (New York)
Hanyu is not the greatest figure skater and is not even the greatest male figure skater. I watched his program from 2017, and then rewatched Plushenko's 4 Olympic performances, Yagudin and Kulik's medal winning performances. No comparison with them, even really, in terms of technical ability -- if they had trained under the new system they would have adapted. And his countrywoman, Mao Asada, was a more beautiful and passionate skater.
John (CO)
The “Greatest Ever” is such a ridiculous expression. New heights are reached through a combination of new training and equipment development. Have you seen today’s skates vs those of 1960? If we didn’t progress to new heights it wouldn’t be a natural evolution. It’s like saying the greatest car or computer ever was built in 2018. Can’t compare to the first that ever was produced that started a whole new technology.Thus, please define the greatest ever.
Minkelina (Seattle, WA)
Greatest figure skater ever? The definition has repeatedly changed over the years, but in my view, after sixty years of watching skaters, not by a long shot.
Soprano39 (Cincinnati)
If you look at the picture in the article you will see that they are the Disney Pooh bears. The Pooh in the AA Milne stories looks more like a Stief bear which is the classic Teddy.But Disney has pretty much taken over the character since the animated film.
E Faro, EA (NYC, NY)
The Milne family sold the rights to Disney.
Neil M (Texas)
Thank you. I am going to Korea for the Olympics. Now, I have a reason to make it an interesting trip - just watch the Japanese fans and Winnie. Tickets to many events are still available, so I need to see if I can snag a ticket when this young man is skating.
David Godinez (Kansas City, MO)
Frank Carroll's comments about Hanyu were very interesting. Possibly he remembers Hanyu's Olympic winning skate in 2014 as being the most flawed program ever to win an Olympic gold, and which said more about the current figure skating scoring system than about his abilities. At the age of 23, Yuzuru Hanyu is now middle-aged for the sport, and given the severity of his injuries, his fans should be happy if he can just come back and stand on the Olympic ice without regard to how well he can perform. It will certainly be one of the central figure skating stories of these Games.
Marymary (Indiana)
Hanyu has also skated several beautiful, nearly perfect programs since then. Figure skating takes place at times other than the Olympics.
stuckincali (l.a.)
Till the American men can do 4 or 5 quads like the rest of the world,they will always finish out of the medals.
Molybdenum (Seattle)
Nathan Chen has been doing just that for a while -- and he's been beating Hanyu in the process. Chen is just 18. Check him out, he's one of the world's best and barring injury or disaster will likely earn a medal in S. Korea.
TWI (HK)
Yuzuru hanyu may not be the one has included most quads in his program, but he is definitely the best one who makes all quads part of his program. He once said, i wanted all my quads can get a high GOE no matter who watched it. And that is what he is working on. His quads include complex transitions and difficult entries, and take off from no where, have a beautiful in air position, left the curve on ice with scientific beauty. That is how he attracted the audience. He combines the artistry and athletic together with his high technique. And it is totally different from other skaters, that is why he attracted audience who lack of interest in figure skating. His figure skating is new, is live, is with inspiration and personality. His great technique makes quads effortless, and taken the men's figure skating to another level, not because of the calculated base value. Once watched his program in arena, you will know why people think it worth their long traveling and high price.
Ess (LA)
he's such a beautiful skater.
Arya (Winterfell)
I am very disappointed that this article wasn’t accompanied by a video illustrating why he’s so great. A big omission, editors.
Marymary (Indiana)
Agreed. Worlds 2017 FS and/or GPF 2015 short program and free skate would be nice to see.
Pam (UK)
I have seen Hanyu live recently breaking 2 world records (both already his own), in March 2017 at World Championship in Helsinki with his perfect free skate (with 4 quads) entitled Hope and Legacy, and in September 2017 at Montreal where he obtained a new world record score for his short programme Chopin Ballade Number 1 at the Autumn Classic International competition. Both are on You tube. Do watch. More info from Wikipedia: Yuzuru Hanyu...is the 2014 Olympic champion, a two-time World champion (2014, 2017), a four-time Grand Prix Final champion (2013–2016), a three-time Four Continents silver medalist (2011, 2013, 2017), the 2010 World Junior champion, the 2009–10 Junior Grand Prix Final champion, and a four-time Japanese national champion (2012–2015). He has also medaled at three other World Championships, taking bronze in 2012, and silver in 2015 and 2016. Hanyu has broken world records twelve times, and currently holds the world records for the highest short program, free skating, and combined total scores.
Marge Keller (Midwest)
While there was no accompanying video illustrating this young man's skill and talent, YouTube is full of past performances. It is worth viewing. This kid is exceptional. His skates truly bring some fire to the ice!
ivyleaguer (Dubai)
I wouldn't call him the greatest male skater ever even though he has a good mix of quads and artistry or even cause he has adoring fans in Japan. There are others who were better with or without quads such as Kulik, Browning, Cousins and Yagudin and Chan ( despite his inconsistencies). Also, greatest only lasts until the next figure skater comes along , which is generally about one season later. So by this measure by 2019, we will be calling Nathan Chen the greatest ever. F
Marymary (Indiana)
I love all those skaters, except Patrick Chan, and none can touch Yuzuru. It's not just the quads It is the quality of his jumps, the speed, the delicacy and strength he projects. When he is on, there is no one better. In over 40 years watching figure skating, I've seen no one better, at least not in the men's category.
wm (nyc)
don't forget about John Curry...
writemor (Virginia)
Why no video of his performance in this article? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbyQujtFro Breathtaking.
Laura West (SF Bay Area)
Thank you writer for providing this video--something the Tims should have included!
AJ (Artin)
Isn't it time there be weight classes in competitive figure skating now that the sport is essentially dominated by waifish men and women that have far less mass to move around?
Michael Evans-Layng (San Diego)
I’ve also thought there should be weight classes in gymnastics for the same reasons.
Gnirol (Tokyo, Japan)
When Hanyu skates, he becomes the performance and the performance becomes him. There have been a few times when you can see that hasn't happened. Perhaps Mr. Carroll was referring to those moments. More male skaters seem to be achieving this. Fernandez has become very convincing on the ice, and Mischa Ge knocked me over with his Massenet this year. Nathan Chen isn't close, though he can be considered potentially the greatest jumper ever, if he can attain consistency. Then he has to find his own style, find music that fits his personality and do the same thing. No reason to assume he couldn't. What I have always found interesting in Hanyu is that he manages all the grace of a ballet dancer but also has what would typically be called a killer instinct in sports, which we don't normally associate with graceful athleticism. Particularly, once he gets ahead in the short program, he becomes focused on winning. You can see that at the end of his free skate performances when they're flawless. I'm not sure if he is feeling he has conquered the routine or his opponents on the ice, but conquered something, he has. Uno is getting that fire in himself too and learning to express himself on the ice as well, not copying Hanyu, but learning from Hanyu's success. Since I first saw him, I look at Uno and swear I am seeing a Japanese Kevin Arnold from "Wonder Years". Oh, and finally, yes, Yuzuru Hanyu is the greatest... so far. Who else is Plushenko and Curry rolled into one?
JHM (UK)
Go for it Yuzuru. Ganbatte...
Alex Wang (New York)
Honestly, I am disappointed by the lack of fact-checking. "But in Moscow, he landed clumsily on a quadruple salchow and put his hands to the ice after an awkward combination jump. The judges placed him second to Chen." The second sentence (and the video immediately following this paragraph) suggests that the context is the SP, where Hanyu was placed second after Chen (whereas in LP it was Hanyu followed by Chen). Hanyu didn't even have a salchow in his program. Any figure skating fan will see that this is not a trivial factual error. Such mistake on the writer's part points to nothing but a lack of journalistic standards and leads readers like me to doubt the credibility and strength of the arguments presented in this article. If the article means otherwise, please clarify.
LibertyNY (New York)
He may be the greatest "male" figure skater but not the greatest figure skater ever.
Ignorance Is Strength (San Francisco)
I ❤️ Peggy Fleming.
wm (nyc)
That would have to be Janet Lynn or John Curry--take your pick
S. Bernard (Hi)
The Japanese fans are hysterical about their skaters and enthusiastic supporters of all good skaters. They make competitions fun with their enthusiastic support. This is in opposition to the Russians who sit on their hands for all but their skaters and are resentful when their skaters don’t win.
Beverley Smith (Toronto)
Great story, Jere!
Marge Keller (Midwest)
I have been following the brilliance of Yuzuru Hanyu and his amazing skating skills. He performed the triple flip, quad sal triple toe, triple Salchow, triple axel, and double toe loop flawlessly. Each jump was precise, consistent, and dang near perfect. Every move he made was SO perfect; he resembled a fine tuned, fine oiled machine. I recall so fondly Brian Boitano’s gold medal performance at the 1988 Calgary Winter Olympics. What he brought to the audience and the viewing world was PASSION in addition to a clean and perfect skating program. His grace, enthusiasm, and determination brought the house down in his final stance. He was electrifying. Technical perfection in and of itself is truly something to strive for. However, when perfection is blended so beautifully and poetically with performance interpretation and presentation that it can stir the soul, well, that’s another entirely different level of greatness. Mr. Boitano delivered greatness that evening. One thing is for certain, Yuzuru Hanyu will NOT disappoint his fans next month in Seoul. The best of luck to all competing Olympians!
Cay (Brooklyn)
I don't know if I would go so far as to call him the "greatest figure skater ever," bar none. Hanyu is incredible, but there have been a lot of incredible skaters, and it is difficult to compare skaters from generation to generation in a sport that has changed so dramatically over the decades. Also, figure skating may be "fading" in the United States, but the United States is not the world. It remains incredibly popular in countries like Japan and Russia, and will most likely - again - be one of the most watched sports of the Olympics in the US.
Marge Keller (Midwest)
I concur with your assessment Cay. Is Hanyu the "greatest figure skater ever"? I doubt it - he did nothing new or original in any of his routines. He is extremely talented, but the greatest? C'mon already - enough of the over dramatization of skill and talent. The Winter Olympics haven't even begun. Now, if Hanye could juggle a couple of Winnie the Pooh bears in the process of doing a triple Salchow and then landing into a splitz on the ice - well then we might have something to write about.
Erika (Washington, DC)
Yuzu holds world record scores across the board, so if they want to call him the greatest ever then, well, they objectively can right now. I saw him before Sochi and instantly became a fan, being extremely impressed with his combination of charisma, skating skills, and remarkable jumping ability. The quality of his jumps when clean are unlike anything I've seen in this sport and he does them with little to no telegraphing which makes his programs even more exciting for me. His work ethic is also admirable because he could be trying to win with the same content that got him his big 330 score the first time, but instead he works to upgrade his content every season and improve himself. How many olympics gold medallists have won and then gone on to become a better skater than the first time they won it? How many stick around a full 4 years afterward? I can't recall many in recent memory. I admire him a heck of a lot for how clearly he gives this sport 200% of himself. He never rests on his laurels. I'll be in PyeongChang and I will be rooting for him no matter what.
Bruce Savin (Montecito)
One of the world's greatest athletes!
John Bowen (Beltsville MD)
Winnie the Pooh is NOT a "Disney" character. He is an A. A. Milne character. You should apologize to all the devoted readers of an earlier generation.
Phward4 (Ringoes, NJ)
Mr. Bowen, I caught that immediately. Who did the final editing on this article? They should be beaten with a bee hive!
SteveRR (CA)
Disney has owned Pooh since 1966 - he is a Disney character in the same way that Snow White is a Disney character and not a Grimm character.
Marge Keller (Midwest)
Good catch Mr. Bowen. Possibly editing the current text to read some like Winnie the Pooh was English author Alan Alexander Milne's creation.