Disobey an Order

Jan 01, 2018 · 61 comments
michael (maplewood, n.j.)
28D: With so many worthy clue options, how in the world did this deplorable one slip by our esteemed reviewers?
eljay (Lansing, MI)
Why is it deplorable?
Rampiak (SF Bay Area)
Yes... how did they miss “ex-governor from Alaska”?!
Robert Michael Panoff (Durham, NC)
Alamo olé (abbr)? As alternative...
Sheila Morris (Denver, CO)
And if they're Swedish, add in OLOF or OLOV....just to add to the confusion!
Leapfinger (Durham NC)
Anyone here remember BOLO BATS as a craze in grade school? Thought the puzzle started out on the fishy side with MAKO, ORCA and EEL, but it quickly turned into the most entertaining CC puzzle I remember, Definitely a piquant theme. Kudos to the tall orders and short orders commenters have already presented. Here's what I cooked up: Disobey a numerical order? SPELL IT OUT Disobey an alphabetical order? COUNT ON IT Disobey a religious order? HAVEN'T A PRAYER (Just making idol talk here) Disobey a fraternal order? NOT MY BROTHER'S KEEPER I know that last one is weak (and over-long) but I couldn;t come up with any disobedient Mason's, Shriners, Oddfellows or ELKEs. Searching Wiki for other fraternal orders, I found this one which should challenge the most disobedient among us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concatenated_Order_of_Hoo-Hoo Now to find the puzzle's connection to cold-brew coffee. Covfefe?
Barry Ancona (New York NY)
I looked up BOLO BATS. Having done so, I realized that I remembered them well but had not remembered that they were called BOLO BATS. I'll pass on the cold-brew, covfefe or not. I enjoyed your theme extensions.
Joe J (Delaware)
I remember Bolo Bats. Once the rubber ball broke off, my mom saved the paddle so she could beat me with it. Ahh, that old school religion.
Rich in Atlanta (Clarkston, Georgia)
We called them paddle-balls and yes, I remember playing with them. I don't recall ever hearing of Bolo Bats.
Carissa (NJ)
The answer for 54a as clued is false! Amazon uses their own proprietary ID number system (ASINs) instead of the book-industry standard ISBNs.
Barry Ancona (New York NY)
Amazon assigns ASINs to everything it sells. For books, the ASIN *is* the ISBN. https://www.amazon.com/gp/seller/asin-upc-isbn-info.html
Carissa (NJ)
For books, the ASIN is the 10-digit ISBN, which is defunct to the rest of the publishing industry. ISBN-13 is the standard.
Barry Ancona (New York NY)
How do I search by ISBN? If you choose to search by ISBN, search only by that field and make sure you type the number correctly, without any dashes. https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Search-Books/b?node=241582011
Viv (Jerusalem, Israel)
I was three themers into the puzzle before I realized that the cuteness was in the clues, not the fill. As others have said, the first two were pretty straightforward and only the last two were punny. I disagree with Amitai - I understood a peck to be something other than a kiss. As in, he was ordered to give her a peck, but he gave her an actual kiss. As I entered OLAV, I checked out the clue for 7A and didn't think there was a five-letter big river in Europe starting with F, so I popped the V right in. Fond memories of a river cruise along the VOLGA, lakes and canals from Moscow to St. Petersberg in 2005.
brutus (berkeley)
I rarely take pencils to my grid, No. 2 or any other gauge. As a dead tree solver, I concluded AGES ago that the USES of a 24a method negate the convenient, erasability factor of graphite. Regardless of how fine the edge, a ball point ink applicator rolling effortlessly across my grid has never mangled the paper. I cannot say the same for a finely honed pencil point...As others did, I thought that this was an easy, breezy Tuesday. Finishing up cleanly with no write-overs made my experience that much more entertaining; thanks to ALL...Today's twofer is from a '48 Rom-Com, "The Kissing Bandit" starring Kathryn Grayson and Frank Sinatra. Cast as a jocund jongleur, Frances Albert nails the lyric to "If I STEAL A KISS" all the while fumbling his way across the fret board. What a troubadour! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f02ZP7fx-XU Next, in a scene perhaps shot through the very same LENS, is this trio. Ann Miller, Cyd Charisse and Ricardo Montalban have their ART ON TAP, cutting the rug as one in this dance instrumental. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF-mL8tGCF0 TTYL, Bru
Peter Fitzgerald (West Hollywood, CA)
ROOKIE YEAR? Come now Burnikel, "OF THE" is rather essential to the title.
Peter Fitzgerald (West Hollywood, CA)
Oops, my bad. It was their rookie year, not rookie OF THE year.
Tyler (Chicago)
It's 2018 and I encountered an earnest use of "aviatrix" (4D: 2009 aviatrix biopic).
Barry Ancona (New York NY)
I think it's acceptable as a hint at the period depicted in the biopic; I would not expect to see it used to clue a biopic on Tammy Duckworth.
Jimbo57 (Oceanside NY)
Easy Tuesday for me, raced through the puzzle with nary a misstep. No trouble deciphering the theme. Add me to the list of those solve INPEN. I always wait for a cross to decide between OLAV and OLAF. NAPAVALLEY puts me in mind of the musical "The Most Happy Fella," but for today's music pick, I'm going with the bouncy, tuneful "STEAL My KISSes" by singer-songwriter Ben Harper. The song was a hit in 2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCyMmzL308
Bobby 34 (New York City)
Methinks one can solve "with a pen", or "in ink", but not "in pen".
Barry Ancona (New York NY)
Bobby, you may (or may not) enjoy the "pen" discussion linked here: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/with-a-pen-by-pen-in-pen.2207025/
Leapfinger (Durham NC)
Methought as did thou, Bobby34.
Meg H. (Salt Point)
Flowed nicely for me except for the northeast. Sports clues usually bring me to a halt and since 10a didn't come to me either, it took me quite awhile to figure of this section. Oddly BALD was a toughie for me; I had somehow interpreted "chrome head" to mean a dope, so even with the BAL_ I couldn't alphabet my way to an answer. Finally an AHA moment so now I'm on my way to the rest of my day.
archaeoprof (Jupiter, FL)
Smooth, fresh, interesting. At 14A I tried SLur before SLAM. Always solve INPEN, with a Sharpie, in a different color each day. And they say I’m obsessive-compulsive.
CS (Providence)
Inasmuch as I still don't know what day of the week it is, I had no problem with the level of difficulty of today's offering. I enjoyed the cluing and found the theme somewhat amusing. My only quibble is that two of the theme combos felt straightforward and two felt more like puns. TAKE IT SLOW would literally violate a rush order, as would MOVE AHEAD with regard to a stop order. KISS as to pecking order and SEAT as to standing order are much more clever. Kinda like Lewis keeping it short and thus disobeying a tall order.
Mary Penry (Pennsylvania)
Oh I am so happy! Okay, so it's really a Monday puzzle, but I am so new at this -- a recent graduate of your advice on How To Solve and a longtime Mini solver -- how nice to begin the year able to continue my New Year Gratitude streak for at least ONE DAY into a New TRUMPian Year. Love ya. GLAD.
Deb Amlen (Wordplay, the Road Tour)
Happy graduation, Mary, and welcome! Here's to a whole year of successful solving.
eljay (Lansing, MI)
A bit to pick: was anyone else bothered by the clue to 25D? The citizenship seeker is seeking citizenship in the country to which she has immigrated; she is no longer in the country from which she has EMIGRated.
eljay (Lansing, MI)
Should have been nit, not bit.
Mary Penry (Pennsylvania)
Nope. Once an emigre always an emigre. You may have left your native land long since, and been seeking new citizenship since long before you immigrated anywhere, much less to the place where you are seeking citizenship. Indeed, you may immigrate and not seek new citizenship, or be allowed to. The word 'stateless' mean anything to you? Trust me.
Leapfinger (Durham NC)
Philip Nolan. I read "The Man Without a Country" as a kid, and even now get misty remembering how it made me weep.
Rich in Atlanta (Clarkston, Georgia)
Like others, I completed this in short order. Yes, a bit more Mondayish but then I don't really expect a huge difference between Monday and Tuesday. The play on words was much more evident with the last two theme answers than with the first two. Notable moment was my absolute worst memory blip ever, as I couldn't recall Hemingway's first name when I read that clue. It did come to me before I finished reading the rest of the across clues, but it will probably bother me all day. Nice puzzle with some nice non-theme entries as well.
Barry Ancona (New York NY)
Please *don't* let it bother you all day, Rich. And on Friday or Saturday, it might have been MARIEL.
Lewis (Asheville, NC)
I will keep it short (Disobey a tall order): 1. Nice French feel with NAIVETE and EMIGRE. 2. AMELIA and the first six letters of EMAILALERT are anagrams. 3. COMA / AORTA / OZAWA / ARIA / ASIA / AMELIA / STANZA / DELTA 4. Is it too soon for STEAL A KISS?
Amitai Halevi (Regba, Israel)
A smooth, enjoyable Monday-ish (I agree) jaunt, though I did have to run a last minute alphabet crawl for the L at the DSL/TTYL crossing. I hate to be a spoilsport, but IMO, the clue for 65A is questionable. Wouldn’t it have to be: “Disobey a non-pecking order”. I know there is no such thing an a non-pecking order, but doesn’t “pecking order” mean an order to peck, e.g. ”Kiss me”?
Amitai Halevi (Regba, Israel)
Having done some research – purely academic, I assure you – on the subject, I believe that I can justify the clue as it stands. The stealth involves conversion of a PECK, which is in ORDER to a real kiss, which is not.
Paul Frommer (Los Angeles, CA)
Re KIEV: "Currently, Kiev is the traditional and most commonly used English name for the city, but in 1995 the Ukrainian government adopted Kyiv as the mandatory romanization for use in legislative and official acts." [Wikipedia] Wonder if KYIV has ever appeared in the NYT XW?
Rich in Atlanta (Clarkston, Georgia)
Answer - nope. More than that, those 4 letters haven't ever appeared in that sequence in any answer, although ROCKYIV would seem to present one alternate possibility.
Viv (Jerusalem, Israel)
Paul, I have been seeing that spelling in a lot of contexts lately and I've wondered if it was official. Thanks for doing the Wiki research for me.
Barry Ancona (New York NY)
Somebody's gonna hafta change the menus.... (poultry)
suejean (Harrogate, UK)
I agree with the Deb and others about the relative easiness of this puzzle, although I struggled a bit in the Mid East. I didn't know the singer or the Calder cup, and also my phone is not at all smart, so wasn't sure of that answer. Otherwise smooth sailing and a smile as the theme answers became apparent.
Robert (Vancouver , Canada)
and Elke This puzzle seemed to have a lot of non-English words , thus it was nice to TAKE IT SLOW. The local transit busses sport 2 bumper stickers :''Please Yield-it's the Law'' and ''Thanks for the Brake''. Seems a mixed message. Speaking of busses and non-English words: R. remembers as a teenage EMIGRE in Vienna in his ROOKIE YEAR being on a streetcar, trying to be polite and offering his seat to a lady. He tried to say ''HAVE A SEAT'' in German and said ''Platzen Sie bitte '' .(Platz means ''place'' and platzen is ''to burst'' or '''HAVE A BLAST''). Apparently, she mumbled something (not too flattering), but took the seat. R. remembers she had A BUT(t). Nice to see the VOLGA , because I can link Paul Robeson singing the VOLGA Boatmen song again : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfsWoNpHg2s Free factoid :KIEV is not on the VOLGA, but on the Dnieper River. Wonder how the NAPA VALLEY wineries survived the recent fires- can somebody update? TTYL (i.e.tomorrow)
mymymimi (Paris, France)
Unfortunately, some NAPA VALLEY wineries had extensive fire damage.
Wags (Colorado)
Yes, a nice Mondayish puzzle. New topic: The banished words list is out. Enjoy. https://www.lssu.edu/banished-words-list/
Robert (Vancouver , Canada)
and Elke you did notice that ''covfefe'' is on it ?
Mac Knight (Yakima, WA)
Hand up for Olaf before OLAV. I was sure too, for some reason. Nice puzzle. Thanks.
Jerry Aulenbach (Edmonton, Alberta, Canada)
Hands up for “I didn’t know OLAV was an option!
Paul (Alexandria, VA)
I didn't fill in the final letter fearing I would choose the wrong one. In this case, the V was for victory (for me).
Mary Penry (Pennsylvania)
The only letter that came to me right away was the V (from Volga), and then I began mentally running through Norse-sounding names ending therein -- much easier that way. For all I knew, he coulda been Saint Uppsala.
Robert Michael Panoff (Durham, NC)
Alternative clues: 24A "Where con solves XWP" 31A "Relo a loo" 44A "What Rhett doesn't give" 73A "Half a Roadrunner call"
Babs (Etowah, NC)
Great clues and, with all due respect, more worthy of a Tuesday.
Tyler (NYC)
Those are just all bad clues, though. 24A: You don't say a con is IN PEN. Maybe IN THE PEN, but IN PEN just doesn't work for jail. 31A: Using "loo" for bathroom indicates British. MOVE A HEAD indicates a ship. Your clue doesn't match the answer. 44A: Rhett doesn't give a DAMN, not a DAM. 73A: The Road Runner goes "meep meep" not "neap neap".
Dag Ryen (Santa Fe)
I always thought the roadrunner said "beep, beep?"
Jim (Georgia)
Definitely a Monday puzzle. I zipped through in record time after having a hard time with the actual Monday puzzle. And here I thought the Danube and not the Volga was the longest river in Europe. Nice thing about puzzles—learning something every day.
dsgarcia (Austin)
Ha! Got my best time for a Tuesday. I attribute that to Deb, et al, and skills absorbed on the NYT transatlantic crossing. OTOH, yesterday’s puzzle was several minutes over my average time. Of course I attribute that to two too many glasses of champagne!
Deb Amlen (Wordplay, the Road Tour)
Ahoy, dsgarcia!
Barry Ancona (New York NY)
I agree, Deb; this was more of a Monday puzzle. And it even had the DSL that people wanted yesterday. For a true Monday, though, one would not have to wonder OLAV or OLAF; it would be clued as St. _____, college in Minnesota, which can only be OLAF (It's nine below right now in Northfield).
Bess (NH)
Uffda!
Liz B (Durham, NC)
I agree with Deb about the Monday-ness of this puzzle, and yesterday's could easily have been a Tuesday puzzle. I didn't have a problem with OLAV because I already had VOLGA in place (since DANUBE didn't fit). Of course, I was prepared to be wrong about that one. I liked the crossing of OSAKAN and OZAWA. Smooth and fast.
Robert Michael Panoff (Durham, NC)
That's fine because today feels like a Sunday. So tomorrow is Monday-ish. Works for me.