Stoking Fears, Trump Defied Bureaucracy to Advance Immigration Agenda

Dec 23, 2017 · 702 comments
Drt (Boston)
I am just a bit confused that Sarah H, the press secretary after July 20 Something, was up doing the ring around the trump dance in June.
DAM (Tokyo)
People are strange when you're a stranger.
BWS (Canberra Australia)
As Timothy Snyder has so succinctly pointed out in his book, On Tyranny, this is how it starts. If I had just one wish this year it would be that all members of Congress and the Supreme Court read this book and ponder the twenty lessons from the twentieth century that Snyder draws attention to. Your country is headed towards a catastrophe and dragging the rest of the world with it. There is, though, still time to change course. It will take courage and unselfishness. The real question is whether your political leaders and highest judiciary are up to it - and whether the rest of you will continue to let them take you steadily towards the abyss. Merry Christmas and a (truly) New Year!
MS (West Hollywood, CA)
What strikes me is how easy it is to believe that Trump said these things given his track record.
PAN (NC)
Ironically chain migration to this country started back on Plymouth Rock. Perhaps there is a way to hire away all the immigrants working at trump properties and businesses to better paying more respectful employers. Se how trump likes the results. He is wealthy because other's made it for him. I find it quite appropriate that so many nations essentially voted against him in the UN las week.
Azalea Lover (Northwest Georgia)
From the NY Times 10/26/1995: ''Before President Clinton took office, enforcement of our immigration laws and an up-to-date immigration policy had been absent for nearly a decade,'' said Leon E. Panetta, the White House chief of staff. ''The Clinton Administration has developed a comprehensive anti-illegal immigration policy that beefs up our border and workplace enforcement inspections and has used the criminal justice system to deport a record number of criminals and other illegal aliens.'' http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/26/us/milestones-and-missteps-on-immigrat... "
Mark Hogden (Washington )
I immigrated legally from Australia fifty years ago, and not once has anyone made so much as a hushed aside about my status other than to query why it took me, a white male, so long to become a US citizen. Trump's immigration position is strictly about having a skin color other than white, and sadly it's all too familiar to me. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
Attention Jerry G. It was Emperor Constantine who made Christianity a bona fide religious. Till then it was a scattered minor sect. In truth iChrist himself was never a Christian. I am, but I have often wondered what that good and tolerant man would say about the evil done in his name: the wars and bigotry. These are things quite alien to the original Christian spirit. Yes, I have read Acts.
Back Up (Black Mount)
The article is full of sources such as "another person who was told by someone who was in the room". Never any names, just someone who heard it from someone. That's not going to get it - except for the "true believers on this page. Trump has accomplished more in his first year, which admittedly was bungled by inexperience, than any president in modern times yet the Times is still dredging up old news relying on questionable sources to bash Trump. Is it because of the recent tax break, the mood of optimism throughout the country or maybe that illegal immigration is at a standstill? The Times, like so much "journalism" in the country today, is not reporting the news, they're manipulating the news.
areader (us)
"He's always had anxiety about food and safety when he travels” - what an awful human being!
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
For Richard Mitchell-Lowe. It is absolutely not right to attack the Muslim faith. In fact, it is heinous, despicable. I am a Christian but religious prejudice like you express enrages me.. Each of us has a right to believe in God in his own way You are not God's spokespersons. How presumptuous!
RC (Brooklyn)
Whether true or not, on Christmas Eve, The New York Times has chosen to match the depravity of the accused. A story from last June, plucked out of time with completely anonymous sources. This 'newspaper' has sunk to the depths. God help us all.
jaco (Nevada)
Pure hatred is my guess.
RC (Brooklyn)
My happiness is truly fulfilled when I see all the Good will and Blessings shard with all peoples of the world, both from ourselves and our elected leaders. Let us come together and find common grounds for peace and harmony. Let us rejoice in the happiness of our brothers an sisters, no matter where they came from and why they are here.
bcer (Vancouver)
CBC's Radio One's Sunday Edition with Michael Enright featured an interview with a former UN advocate on migration. He said the 21st Century is the Century of the Migrant and that national boundaries do nothing to stop this. The well informed NYT readers know what drives this...CLIMATE CHANGE such as drought..huge problem in Africa. Conflict..why is America involved in 150 to 160 wars. Instead of increasing the American military budget ad infinitum...to the right wingers...why not save your tax dollars...follow your Bible and turn swords into plowshares...stabilize those 150 countries so the locals have an opportunity for life where they are. I realize that the right wing business types profit immensely from munitions and war related products..planes and bombs and drones etc. But could not there be legitimate profit in country building including America in that. Just think if you had medical for all how much business would be around that. I realize your right wingers do not believe that education, medical care, housing, and adequate food is a human right. This way of thinking just boggles this 71 year old mind.
Spook (Left Coast)
I dislike most things about Trump, but I also despise the DNC, and the elitists controlling it. The US has no duty or obligation to take ANY refugees, or immigrants of any sort, and we should not do so without a clear benefit to our nation by permitting only educated and well-off persons to come here. Kick the dross out, and block them at the borders is a fine strategy.
B PC (MD)
The United States has an obligation under US and international law to not return to persecution a refugee (see the 1951 UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, the 1967 UN Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees and The Refugee Act of 1980).
Thought Provoking (USA)
What do you about too many(and growing) dross and deadbeats within the country? No one would take them even if they are kicked out. US has an obligation because the Iraqi refugee problem is entirely because of us. Syrian refugee problem is partially due to Iraqi war. As long as the US denies climate change and doesn’t take any action to control it we are responsible for the damage caused. As a preeminent power we are responsible for taking care of the world and it’s people. It is negligent and even criminal to blow up the world and do nothing to fix it or worse, just walk away from our moral responsibility to the human species and all life forms. Are you fine with the humanity laying the blame of extinction of millions of life forms and death of millions of humans when we were on the watch?
Scared To Death (Canada)
Poor America
areader (us)
Great sources! Very objective! The real news! Very important! The NYT at its best!
batazoid (Cedartown,GA)
Here's the problem...in fact, you state it perfectly in your opening words:"Stoking Fears, Trump Defied Bureaucracy to AdvanceImmigration Agenda "The changes have had far-reaching consequences, both for the immigrants who have sought to make a new home in this country and for America’s image in the world." That's not what middle-class, working Americans see as their immigration goals. Their first immigration priority is ensuring permanent legal protection against yet another 15 to 20 million more aliens will illegally invade this country ten years down the road. To this end, if Dreamers support the 1994 Jordan Commission recommendations, end chain migration, reform birthright citizenship, implement a robust E-Verify system, close the Child Tax Credit loophole, establish English as the official language of the U.S., and agree to limit legal immigration over the next decade, a general (green card) amnesty for the first 11 million registered illegal aliens living and working here at a time certain can be supported with Pres. Trump's leadership and his power base's support; IMHO.
cbindc (dc)
Trump was totally successful at dimishing America all over the world. It is his greatest "win" as a true puppet of his Russian benifactor.
SteveNYC (NYC)
I think Christie has the goods on Trump and his family. Wait for it.....
Blank (Venice)
That would explain why Director Wray got picked for FBI.
areader (us)
Greatly appreciated that the Times took care to let this one and similar articles to stay as the main news on the front page whole weekends long. Very thoughtful, informative and newsworthy.
areader (us)
The main NEWS. All weekend long. Very NEWSWORTHY. Great idea.
Joeline Webber (Northern California)
If Sarah Huckabee Sanders said it then you can properly assume it is a lie. She has proven so dishonest we'd be a fool to trust anything she said. Immigration is healthy for this country. Yes, we need controlled immigration and must stop illegal immigration but what to do with those already here, especially the DREAMers must be handled very cautiously and with real compassion. Therein lies the problem. Donald Trump has no idea what compassion is, nor does he care. He has filled his administration with people who think like him so it's a filthy den of nastiness. We, the American People, have to stand up to the Trumpites and force them to treat these people fairly.
Jeanette Colville (Cheyenne, Wyoming)
"If Sarah Huckabee Sanders said it then you can properly assume it is a lie. She has proven so dishonest we'd be a fool to trust anything she said." Joline, you state the facts here clearly. I asked my friend today, "... after months of months of Ms. Huckabee standing in front of the world spewing lies after lie, do you think that the Trump Cult worshippers" will get the message of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and they will see the light?" What do you think? Lie after lie, day after day. And Joline, Ms Huckabee has made it clear month after month that she is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. Is this the Christian moral compass that one thinks of when this particular religious faith is invoked?
EM (Seattle)
This situation in regard to immigration in this country presently is disgraceful. Deeply disgraceful. Can't find the words to describe how wrong it is.
Maloyo (New York)
If Trump or anyone else really wants to end illegal immigration, they will go after the employers. I wish I could put that in bold italics, but since I can't I'll say it again--they need to go after the employers.
NNI (Peekskill)
I thought I was very blessed when I landed in my utopia of dreams. Every step was thrilling, exciting. My green card, my social security card, my driver's license and most of all taking the oath to become a full-fledged citizen. This was my country where anything was possible if you strive for it. And then I became the extremely proud parent of two children, born here and could become the President of the greatest Democracy in the world. But now, every day that utopia is being chipped away, unfortunately rapidly like the polar ice caps. Personal and social fabric are in tatters. There is no melting pot but tribal elements refusing to meld. Homes are being broken due to poverty or stagnation. Hope has almost vanished. There are only the have- haves and the have-nots, the line in between becoming a solid wall. I am a legal citizen but what I am witnessing today is anything but a utopia. We have become more tribal than the inner-most tribes of the Amazon. With this Administration the question of all immigrants would be,"Who's next"?
THE REAL WMK NOT THE IMPOSTER (New York City)
I am Catholic but the one area I do not agree with my Church on is supporting undocumented immigrants. There are some in the Church who have said we should allow them to enter unlawfully but they are breaking our laws. I love my Church but disagree with them on this subject vehemently. What Catholics should be doing is aiding them in applying for legal status and assisting them with following the proper channels to gain entry just like any other immigrant. It is unjust that illegal immigrants break ahead in the line and cut in front of those who come here legally. We are a land of rules which must be followed. This is inequitable to those who have applied for citizenship and waited years to earn their citizenship papers. No one is above our laws. I love my Church and follow its tenets but they must stay out of this political issue. They should be prepared to help those immigrants once they have arrived with securing employment and other valuable services. This is where their help will be very useful.
mj (ma)
But the Catholic Church would have died if it weren't for Latin American immigrants. That's their bread and butter crossing over that border.
Stephen (Austin, TX)
'Stoking fear' and race-baiting is Trump's only platform apart from tax breaks for the rich.. The disgraceful treatment of the 'Dreamers' is cruel and I can only hope our citizenry will stand strong against their threatened deportation. This is just Trump trying to appeal to his white-supremist base.
Winthrop Staples (Newbury Park, CA)
If as Ken and the economist priest hood who want ever more "bodies" have insisted that we need a perpetually growing population for "economic growth" or prosperity what are we going to do when there are a billion people in the United States in 2100, and much of our productive farm, range and forest lands have been bulldozed for housing, businesses, schools, hospitals, roads and our lands and waters are as nasty a poisoned sewer as those in China and India are now, and we can no longer increase the population? Why not stabilize the US population at a sustainable level now as opposed to blowing up a population bubble and having 100's of millions die in plagues, famines and civil war battles between the many not required to assimilate ethnic factions that our 1% are creating via mass immigration. The readers might also be interested in what the "reputation" of the USA is to the 3 million illegals who live in sanctuary California who get all manner of free schooling, health care, food assistance at churches, food stamps they are not eligible for, housing assistance, and work off the books and so pay little or no tax is. They laugh and say the US is a nation of suckers who allow themselves to be cheated by both illegals from the bottom, and from the top by the million-billionaires who employ illegals that live in the High School sized mansions on the hills around LA.
Thought Provoking (USA)
Sure we can just forget about capitalism and its need for constant growth IF we are fine to lose the super power status. As long as we don’t fight to control everything in the world we don’t need to grow the economy at all cost or keep a huge military(costing billions) stationed at all corners of earth. We should just be ready to follow the rules set by the historical top two economies, China and India. We would still be wealthy and have sustainable growth in population and economy. But we would no longer be able to afford a large military or be a top trading country or a top military power, basically we won’t be a super power anymore. Are you fine with it?
Mitchell Fuller (Houston TX)
In the end, two things will determine our ability to take in millions of legal and illegal persons a year; 1. The money available to support many of them. There is not an endless supply. 2. Impact on environment which will effect all of our quality of life. See China / India for what overpopulation can do to an environmental area. We maybe past full and non sustainable on both points already.
Iver Thompson (Pasadena, CA)
I wonder how all those countries of origin got to be so horrible in the first place so as to make them so unlivable for all those who feel they must flee to come here. Or is that Trump’s fault too? America may in fact be anything but exceptional, rather only the momentary lesser of two evils. Quite an accomplishment, of course we’re still relatively young.
Doug Thomson (British Columbia)
Well, Iver Thompson, the thing is that the problems of most of these nations is a direct result of colonialism and economic and political interference by the “West”. There has always been two assumptions made by the “West”. First that we know the best way and all we have to do is impose our rule and our “systems” and we can drag these savages into the real civilization (that is far from civilized). We subjugated the indigenous peoples, making them beggars in their own lands and then left them in a vacuum. Second, that these nations are ripe for exploitation by the forces of both capitalism and communism. The result has been poverty and death, tribalism and war.
Richard Monckton (San Francisco, CA)
Americans must have to come to terms with the fact that their fantasy of a meritocratic nation where you reach your goals as a function of your abilities is just that, a Hollywood fantasy. A white person with a strong sense of morality and ethics is left with the difficult choice of staying in the US and being an unwitting participant in the farcical play American Democracy has degenerated into, or leaving for greener pastures. My choice is the latter, the American Collapse is better watched from the distance.
B PC (MD)
Many non-whites are living lives outside the United States as parents, students, workers, residents and refugees whose human rights are guaranteed through universal healthcare, universal higher education, reasonable government regulation of industry and world class infrastructure. Why should only white US citizens have options outside the US?
Bashh (Philadelphia, Pa.)
Instead of attempting to revive the meaning of Christmas by mindlessly chanting "Merry Christmas" to those who might not celebrate the holiday Trump and his admirers should open their Bibles and read the story of Christmas. It is the story of a baby born to parents who away from their own land and had no place to take shelter while on their journey. The Trump Christmas decorations are all white and their hearts are all quite black.
Carol (Tampa, FL)
Many of the commenters (liberals) have their heads buried in the sand. How many people do they want in our country...500,000...a billion...two billion? Can we afford this? Many immigrants are collecting some form of welfare. Yes, let's welcome more traffic, more overdevelopment, more sprawl. The echo chambers do not care about sustainability, the environment, animal welfare/wildlife habitat. The problem is human overpopulation.
Bashh (Philadelphia, Pa.)
Well, as long as your family got theirs I guess it's time to shut the doors. My Cambodian in-law was up at 5AM to get to the farms picking strawberries when he was 12, with the rest of his brothers no sisters. You like strawberries? Find a lot of Americans who are willing to do that kind of work or put their kids out to do it.
B PC (MD)
I read commenters to this article citing facts and sources about the contributions of immigrants to this country.
William L. Valenti (Bend, Oregon)
A Christmas Wish: If I prayed, I'd pray That Trump would see That Jesus was a refugee
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
BearBoy. Trump needs no help from the masses. He is perfectly capable of slandering himself each time he lies about the racist immigration ban and the tax bill.
Richard Mitchell-Lowe (New Zealand)
There is a certain level of naive stupidity about the notion that any human being is a suitable refugee or migrant. Belief systems and background do matter. We find it easy to condemn the Nazi ideology that gave rise to German imperial expansion and their hatred and killing of Jews. We find it far less easy to condemn the Islamic ideology that gives rise to human rights abuses, failed states, persecution of other religions, calls for death to atheists and infidels and calls for the subjugation of all humanity under Islam. Despite the fact that ISIS simply acted out literal Islamic teachings from the Quran, Muslims fail to see their religion as a profound problem. It is a problem that many westerners have not taken the time to read the Quran and tacitly assume it is just another religion like Christianity. A religion that has people blowing up buildings with planes, shooting LGBTQ people in night clubs, running through streets stabbing and shooting people and driving trucks through crowds of people is unfit for human consumption. Islam is no more compatible with the aspirations of western civilisation than Nazism. Merkel’s open door policy on Islamic Syrian refugees triggered Brexit. Trump is tapping the revulsion many people rightfully have for Islam. It is ironic that Islam is shielded by liberal howls of Islamaphobia when liberal ideals are crushed within Islamic societies. We should never shy away from criticizing bad ideas or loving other human beings.
Lisa (Somewhere)
And when the IRA were blowing up London, amongst other places, did we condemn all Catholics and proclaim Christianity the problem? No, I thought not...
Richard Mitchell-Lowe (New Zealand)
Lisa: Facts matter. Do yourself and your children a favour, read the Quran. You will see with your own eyes in plain text the hate speech that terrorists follow as their gospel. Any religion that calls explicitly for death to other human beings must be condemned as hate speech of the worst kind. Your reference to the IRA is not directly relevant to this discussion because although the conflict spanned groups of people following different flavours of Christianity it was a political conflict and the IRA was NOT following any explicit Christian teaching or dogma.
B PC (MD)
Christians have used the Bible to justify slavery, war and genocide, including against the Jewish people of Europe, hundreds of ethnic groups in Africa, and ethnic groups in the Western Hemisphere. But I won't make sweeping conclusions about any religion. My vote will always go to those US political candidates who have a rational understanding of religious and other forms of tolerance--such an outlook promotes peace and security.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
For the AACNY. No Democrats haven't gotten the message. We know there was collusion and we also know Obama has improved the job market but with the outflow of American youth we need intelligent immigrants. As it is most doctors are already foreign born along with many essential technologists and these are areas Trump despises out of ignorance and for which our country will Suffer.
pixilated (New York, NY)
Like most of Trump's policies, if we can call them that and not the unleashing of Id, his stance on immigration is based purely on his own emotional reactions encouraged by the extremists in his cabinet with very little, if any, knowledge of the facts concerning whatever subject he happens to be addressing. This on top of his very pronounced authoritarian streak is a dangerous and disturbing style of leadership that renders him intractable to the point of absurdity. It appears that as far as this president is concerned he really did learn everything he needed to know in kindergarten where he probably got his way by pitching fits and bullying his peers into compliance. Pundits have suggested that Mr. Trump is transforming the presidency, but I disagree; the presidency continues to exist, he just ignores its protocols and parameters, preferring to behave like a thwarted autocrat who was anointed, not elected by a relatively narrow margin. Admittedly his election was a surprise and valid according to the Constitution, but his behavior before and since has been close to the borderline on all fronts including the latter. That immigrants of all varieties but white Christians are living in a state of if not overt fear, than unease, is a measure of just how arbitrary and incoherent his policies are beyond a racist thru line.
BettyInToronto (Toronto, Canada)
My understanding is Trump is of German heritage. Is there any modern group of people who have more to answer for than the Germans? Well ... maybe the U.S. when they dropped the only atomic bombs that have ever been dropped on human beings? So glad I am Canadian although I loved living in New York City and feel sad to know I will never go there again. What a great town it was and hopefully will always be - but surely it isn't American?
Rae (New Jersey)
Are you blaming Germans for Trump?! No. We are 100% responsible for this man. Fascism flowers everywhere. Even in Canada. Never say never. It happened here.
Allison Weiss (Silver Spring, MD)
NYT keeps commenting on the "white working class Americans" who support Trump. My understanding is that well-educated, professionals also voted for Trump in huge numbers. I wish the media would stop blaming everything on the working class. Trump and his ill-conceived policieis would be nowhere without the support of rich people.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
AACNY. Your statement that 75% of Americans will get a big tax cut covers a barefaced lie and you know it. The tax cut for the rich is permanent but for the middle class it is temporary. Nor do you mention the deductions to be cut for the middle class and college students. Obviously your group lies as well as the president. But we who are able to read the law do. You can bamboozle Trump's unread base support but as was once said "you can't fool all of the people all of the time." We are not fooled---not for a single minute. The tax law is a cheat and the immigration ban is dreadful. America needs people willing to work at jobs Americans don't want to do. America especially needs educated immigrants to replace the grievous losses in many important fields like medicine. Quit your kidding.
jaco (Nevada)
You need to read something other than propaganda "Prof". AACNY is correct ~ 75% of Americans are getting a tax cut. The Wall Street Journal is a good source of info perhaps you could start there in a quest to become more informed.
bcer (Vancouver)
Wall Street Journal is a right wing propaganda sheet. It is all about big business and capitalism and Trump.
Jane Taras Carlson (Story, WY)
Trump's intolerance continues. I still can't understand why he got elected, especially by immigrates already here.
Les (Chicago)
One small question for trump. After all immigration is stopped, who will be the cooks, maids, etc at your hotels? At $25 / hour, you will find enough folks, but then you will complaint about how expensive Americans are.
Jeffrey Bank (Baltimore Maryland)
It should have dawned on me earlier, but the word I would use to describe the Trump Administration, leaving all of the demeaning words aside, even though they might apply, is just plain "unprofessional". No skill, no thought, no planning. Everything they do is just plain ham-handed and amateurish. Know nothing-ism still lives in the good ole USA.
GEM (Dover, MA)
Here's something Big and Little Rocket Men can agree to sit down to a table about—Little can tell Big how successful his Wall has been at keeping folks in place, and maybe offer a few tips for Big.
PaulB67 (Charlotte)
Trump, Miller and others in this failed Administration have never bothered to answer the question of why they want to control immigration — legal and illegal. I can’t recall any explanation, backed by facts or irrefutable data, demonstrating that immigration hurts this country economically, socially or culturally. (There is, on the other hand) all kinds of data showing that immigration strengthens our society). So, what it is that drives the Trump Team? Since Trump himself seems to have no set ideology beyond self-adulation, I can only conclude he has borrowed racist xenophobia as one would borrow a rental car : because he needed it to win the 2016 election. That he continues along this path, for no other reason than to curry favor with his “base,” simply means that we are cursed with a president who is an immoral, loathsome fool. Worse, his persistence about curbing immigration despite all beneficial evidence to the contrary, reveals a man with a total misunderstanding of America’s unique place in world history.
Willard (Bridgeport, Connecticut)
The snubs of the Haitians by our President are so typical. Yet so beneath the seriousness of the office that he holds. He is just without respect for nations where persons of color are in charge.
Nancy (Great Neck)
This is a president riddled with prejudice and all the disdain that is part of prejudice. I worry continually about the decision making of a president who is so taken by prejudice.
EmmaLib (Oregon)
It's a sad and sorry day when America no longer accepts the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Lady Liberty and the world weep.
Dean (Australia )
Spot on. I wish Australia had such a great leader.
E pluribus unum (America)
You can have him. We don’t want him.
William Case (United States)
The number of visas overstays now exceeds the number of persons who enter the United States illegally. Overstay statistics suggests that number and rate of overstays—not their race or ethnicity—is the cause of concern. The Department of Homeland Security’s 2016 Entry/Exit Overstay report shows the average overstay rate for all countries is 2.07 percent. The report shows that that 12,043 Nigerians, or 6.34 percent of the 189,883 Nigerians who entered the United States, overstayed their visas. This is the most overstays for any country except India, which had 17,763 overstays, but a lower than average overstay rate of 1.77 percent. The report shows 5,660 Haitians, or 4.3 percent, overstayed their visas. It shows that 299 Afghans, or 14.08 percent, overstayed their visas. Many countries have higher overstay rates, but few overstays. For example, Micronesia had a 25-percent overstay rate, but only 40 Micronesians entered the United States in 2016, and only 10 of them overstayed their visas. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Entry%20and%20Exit%...
Robert (Out West)
The beauty part isn't that Hizzoner couldn't care less about overstays--odds are, he's never heard of them--but that, completely unconsciously, you followed a disavowal of race as an issue by makng race an issue. Enjoy your Christmas.
JG (Denver)
It is wrong to abuse our laws and immigration proceedings. I wonder how welcome we will be if you we walked in huge numbers in Mexico or any other country in South America. We would be held hostage for ransoms.
William Case (United States)
The article, not me, makes race an issue. It quotes Frank Sharry, the executive director of America’s Voice, a pro-immigration group, who argues that the president’s immigration agenda is motivated by racism.
Glen (Washington State)
We as a country do not have the labor necessary to maintain our current GDP. Without immigrants we all will suffer.
Josh (CT)
Current immigration policy has de facto shown a racial preference by disproportionately favoring non-whites. How is that fair?
Doug Thomson (British Columbia)
What silliness, the immigration policy does nothing of the sort. The policy is complex, indeed, but if you want a summary of the official policy, perhaps read here: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-im... Being informed is important. In truth, the number and diversity of immigrants to the US very much depends on who actually wants to move to the US. While the US harbours the belief that it is the greatest country in the world, there are a minority among the population of the developed world who might agree. By any measure of contentment, happiness, whatever, the US is far from the top of the pile.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
For AACNY. Yes let's keep good people in and add more. As things stand now young American talent is fleeing our country in droves, especially in areas of science technology and medicine. No sense staying in a country meant only for white bigots with permanent tax deductions only for the rich and no national health system. I am a professor and my students are beating a path out. That should make you happy I guess.
jaco (Nevada)
Really "Prof"? Where pray tell are these "droves" immigrating to?
B PC (MD)
I can't speak for CdRS, but I personally know of many non-US students preferring to study in less expensive, healthier (they also have access to Canada's healthcare) and less violent Canada. Unfortunately, the more people know about this option, the more competitive Canada will become.
Ponderer (Mexico City)
"Friends were calling to say he looked like a fool, Mr. Trump said." Wow. Who knew? I have something in common with Trump's friends, after all.
IWaverly (Falls Church, VA)
What has this man accomplished so far, anyway? Besides widening and deepening divisions within the country and destroying America's credibility and good name abroad? Everyone is invited to vote - except the Republican Syco Troika of Pence, Mitch, and Ryan.
GeorgeZ (California)
Has any body checked if Trumps ansesters came into the country legally? Just a thought.
Rosary (Tarrytown, NY)
Not to worry about ancestors, it seems probable his wife arrived illegally
Azalea Lover (Northwest Georgia)
News reports by newspaper after newspaper report that his wife came into the USA legally. Many reports say she overstayed her Visa while working as a model.........and paying income taxes.
pro-science (Washinton State)
4% unemployment (mostly "unemployable) is about 6 million people. There are over 20 million illegal workers in the US...do the math....The fact is that the GOP want to demonize illegal workers so they don't complain about abuse and low pay. The rational solution is to issue work temporary permits...but no, then the'd have rights...illegal labor is actually better than slavery...employers don't have to feed, cloth and house them. BTW...Trump hires thousands of illegals in his hotels and casinos....yet another proof positive of this fraud.
Screenwritethis (America)
First and foremost, the term 'refugee' has lost any and all meaning. It only remains as unending radical left political prattle for importing people into America who will be receiving unending government aid. Why in the world would any rational modern country allow people to immigrate who are not financially self sufficient, educated, speak English? Absent this, what or how can they contribute? Doing so is stupefying, defies reason..
B PC (MD)
According to a June/July 2017 US Dept of Health and Human Services report (a Google search will direct you to the full report), refugees resettled in the US have contributed more (in the billions of dollars to the US economy) than they have taken in government services. As for the refugee definition, it can be found in The Refugee Act of 1980, the 1967 UN Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1951 UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.
tony (north carolina)
We are in the hands of an impetuous, spoiled, narcissistic and vindictive adolescent.
Blank (Venice)
He himself is offspring of 1st Generation immigrants.
deus02 (Toronto)
It seems "The Tweetster" has never looked at the statistic in which almost HALF of the current Fortune 500 companies were started by first generation or the offspring of FIRST generation immigrants.
BBD (San Francisco)
I came to this country as a Refugee originally from Pakistan/Afghanistan region: Not all refugees are the same. There are many well educated ones who happen to have worked to secure this country at their own peril. For me I am very grateful that the US fulfilled its obligation to provide me refuge, and very grateful for the military community and friends specifically some Marine friends who helped me in the process. When I came to the US I already had an Engineering degree from the UK and although there was a period of adjustment after working as an Engineer I have contributed in the advancement of technology (I now work as a software engineer at a major tech company, originally an EEE Engineer), contribute in ability of a company to deliver a product to millions of people around US and Europe and contribute heavily in tax revenue and contribute much more to the Social Security than average pupils (because of my earnings). Many like me doctors, engineers and other professionals are seemingly indistinguishable from any other of your colleagues and work to and have worked to benefit your/our country, in fortune and in security and prosperity. Einstein came to this country as a refugee. Please mister president dont think of us as a drain, because we are not, we are part and fabric of this society and work to benefit this country and immensely proud of and grateful to this country.
Doug Thomson (British Columbia)
Indeed, the US should be thankful for you!
JG (Denver)
Einstein didn't come to the US as a refugee. He was so indispensable to the allies as the most valuable scientist of the century that they smuggled him along with other scientists by paying big sums of money to get him.
B PC (MD)
According to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland, Albert Einstein was a refugee. Look it up.
JaaArr (Los Angeles)
Trump's family emigrated from Germany. There have been many times when Germans were not welcome in the US. And yet, they made it. This is a nation of immigrants, not a nation where people want to escape dictators, especially those with a negative population growth like Russia.
NYC Independent (NY, NY)
Immigrants add to this country's economy. Many become entrepreneurs and they supply a younger workforce to our country's aging population. I'm a Hispanic immigrant. I came to the U.S. when I was five and became a citizen in Faneuil Hall in Boston during my last year at Wellesley. I love this country in ways that few natural born citizens do because I know how special it is. I later went on to earn my MBA from Columbian and spent a career in banking. I spent most of my adult life volunteering and supporting non-profit organizations in education, the arts, and social services. When Donald Trump describes immigrants, he is not describing me or my immigrant friends. The image of the criminal, raping, drug pushing immigrant is not of anyone I know. It's a caricature, evil in its intentions. But I think Donald Trump knows that. He is targeting people's worst fears and feed them with hate, all so he could get elected. Ever since Trump walked down that escalator in Trump Tower, I've felt less and less comfortable in my own country. There are days when I feel heartbroken at what Donald Trump is doing to our great country.
Armando Cedillo (Los Angeles)
America's immigration policy as been far too lenient, even decadent, for the last three decades. The result is excessive and unsustainable population growth and growing cultural balkanization. Trump is vulgar to be sure but he and Mr. Miller's agenda is exactly what the country needs right now. We need to get our population stabilized and our percentage of foreign born down to about 8 percent before we liberalize our immigration policies.
Maloyo (New York)
Do you think they're just going to stop at the foreign born? Really? Look at Trump's cabinet and see the future he wants for the country.
Joanne (Pennsylvania)
In 1983, union members sued Donald Trump, a union boss, and Trump's direct contractor for cheating that union out of pension/welfare funds by hiring Polish immigrants to tear down an old building to build Trump Tower. Trump owed the union pension fund $1 million. (Unknown if the union recouped that $$) Trump had a specific deadline, and it was arranged that 200 undocumented laborers from Poland were brought on. These immigrants were off the books, and worked 12-hour shifts 7 days a week for $4 to $5 an hour, with no overtime although it was due. Some were never paid at all. Eventually, Manhattan Judge Charles Stewart ruled against Trump, claiming his representative "knew the Polish workers were doing demolition work" and that his company participated in a "conspiracy" to cheat the union. He ruled Trump owed the workers over $325,000 plus interest & attorney’s fees & costs. For 11 years Trump appealed, then quietly settled--- the agreement was somehow placed under seal. He could have paid millions--or not. He absolutely cheated the workers. WHO WERE IMMIGRANTS.
lftash (NY)
Is the USA going to have the problems found in some European countries that have welcomed imigrants into their countries and now find that they refuse to assimilate into the society and have formed neighborhoods that the various police organizations are reluctant to enter. Is this what we want in the USA? Please see the thinking of the POTUSA!
scorcher14 (San Francisco)
It greatly sadden me to read this article. Although we all pretty much know it, hearing these disgusting quotes from someone in the presidency is profoundly disturbing on Christmas Eve. The level of bigotry and hatred exhibited by this person puts our entire nation to shame. I pray that our democracy will hold and eventually make things right, so America can rise to the greatness of its ideals, but hope seems dim, especially when the GOP leaders seem to tacitly agree and support this depressing situation.
William Geller (Vermont)
Just look at his 71 year record, his relationship with his wives , how he says he had nothing to do with bringing up children, his relations with woman, his lies to the press his whole life, his worship in "The Church of Glitter" his play acting soldier in high school, his lack of fitness, no display at all of any real values, his lies about charity , his lack of education about cultures of the world. This person has nothing that would make him a positive image to anyone.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
For Southern Boy. The law needs to reflect the unhappiness of the 60-65 % majority in our country who despise Trumo's white supremacist campaign, his permanent big tax reduction for people who don't need it and also shows the temporary tax cut for the middle class. Have you read the law? Have you seen how your deductions have been cut? And what about the taxes in your home? Do you know how many talented Americans, people in science, technology and medicine, are moving to other countries where they will find jobs that leave America isolated and behind? We better start accepting talented immigrants or we will soon be from nowhere.
William O. Beeman (Minneapolis, Minnesota)
Earth to Emperor Donald. Only your base hates immigrants. The rest of us realize that we are all immigrants, and that immigration benefits our nation. Hate does not, and your legacy as a hater will not stand up well.
Armando Cedillo (Los Angeles)
I grew up in California, voted for Hillary in the last election but I also realize that we are not all immigrants. In fact, the majority of US residents are bonafide US citizens - native born - NOT immigrants. And here in California we are seeing the devastating consequences of overpopulation in a drought ravaged state.
Rae (New Jersey)
Armando, we are all immigrants. I was born a U.S. citizen in West Germany in a U.S. military hospital. One side of my family resided in colonial Salem in the late 1600's and another escaped with their lives from Russia over 100 years ago. Immigrants - and citizens - all of us.
mister meister (utah)
Come here legally and prove you love America, are not a hater and will benefit America and you are welcome. People from hater countries not welcome! President Trump is making us safe. Liberal Democrats are trying to flood with undesirables like what's happened in Europe. God Bless President Trump!
EmmaLib (Oregon)
If they hate America, why would they seek shelter here? I would never seek shelter from my enemies. Your logic is twisted. And coming here legally takes a lot of money, something the poor and the war torn refugees don't have. Republicans only want more rich Rupert Murdoch who they can schmooze, play golf with and have martinis. People who might vote Republican.
B PC (MD)
According to the Inter-American Development Bank, headquartered in Washington, DC, individuals of Haitian descent in the US send at least $2 billion each year to Haiti (at least six times greater than the US government’s annual foreign assistance to Haiti). In Canada, where there are fewer social and economic barriers for most immigrants, a former Haitian refugee who arrived in Canada in 1968 as an eleven-year old girl, Michaelle Jean, became the first black Governor General of Canada (the UK Queen’s representative in Canada whose signature is required for every national law in Canada to enter into force) from 2005 to 2010. The resilience and talent of immigrants is what really frightens this administration. I am awed by what the US could accomplish if we elected a government that meaningfully invested in all its people, including newcomers.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
I forgot to mention antisemitism in my earlier list of Trumpian oppression. Odd since as Republicans should know both Christ and Peter were Jews and would not sanction the new wave of abuse of their religion. The Christian faith was born 300 years after Christ's death in pagan Rome.
Jerry G (California)
Sir: Please read the book of Acts . . . the first church where believers were called Christians was in Antioch of Syria. Peter and Paul did not live 300 years after Christ's death. And it was not in Rome where the faith was born.
CPBrown (Baltimore, MD)
Jared Kushner ?
RDC (East Lansing, Michigan)
Thank you New York Times!
Ravenna (NY)
"Friends were calling to say he looked like a fool, Mr. Trump said."....but wait. Trump IS a fool.....a fool for not knowing what drives this economy. I'd like to see how long Trump's empire would last if every immigrant who works for him walked off the job.
Jane Taras Carlson (Story, WY)
Great comment!
Bottles (Southbury, CT 06488)
To Trump, if you are not lily white, you are not welcome.
ihatejoemcCarthy (south florida)
Trump who should never be addressed by anyone as president because of the illegal way he achieved the highest office of our great country. Colluding with our enemy Russia, is much worse than what any 'undocumented workers' has done to our country for which he should tried for treason. Trump should also be reminded that his grandfather was an illegal immigrant too. Frederick Trump, Donald's grandfather who lost his German citizenship for not fulfilling his military service there, sneaked to U.S.A. and had done more awful things like running a prostitution ring So actually in comparison to what Trump's grandfather did in his time in U.S.A., 99.9% our 'undocumented immigrants' are innocents. They do not "bring drugs;" or "bringing crime" or "not rapists" as he falsely accused the Mexican immigrants on his inaugural campaign in Trump Tower in June of 2015. Actually being born to a racist father who as a member of the most notorious KKK in the '20s did most horrible things like lynching of the totally innocent Black folks,Trump instead of killing his racist father which anybody else would've done, inherited all his father's traits while he was growing up in Queens, NY. Instead of running away from a home where his father came back with blood of young and old Black folks whom he butchered along with his friends, Trump as a child developed all the ugly qualities of his deadly father. His hatred for Black and other minority immigrants developed since he was a 4 yr.old child.
Patrick Stevens (MN)
Our boy president throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his way? Well, golly, how about putting him in the corner facing the wall for a half hour until he settles down. That worked for me with some children when I taught in the schools. Whoops! That won't work. It's an oval office! My bad. Our only option then is to ignore him, or impeach the idiot before he get us into real trouble with the rest of the world. I'm for that. He doesn't understand how our government works. Until he does, he really should not be trying to run it.
M (Seattle)
If Democrats push for more illegal immigration and refugees again, they will lose again
EmmaLib (Oregon)
Please show and share with me, I must have missed something, when the dems PUSHED for more illegal immigration. Refugees come here legally. They come here already vetted.
Willy P (Puget Sound, WA)
'Immigrants'? Nah -- refugees -- escaping the joys of unfettered, unbridled winner-take-ALL Capitalism, and (at least one of) its unwanted offspring, desertification... They gotta go Somewhere. Or die.
DSS (Ottawa)
Let's call this what it is. It is not an immigration agenda, it's a racist anti-immigration policy.
JWMathews (Sarasota, FL)
On this day, Christmas Ever, when good will should abound and my Jewish and Muslim friends wish me "Merry Christmas", we have a fakir to his fast dwindling flock who sees him as the "New Messiah". That "Messiah" is white, evangelical, ill educated, ignorant of scientific theory and history. It is intolerant, opposed to rational thought and the teachings of Jesus that they have twisted into some horrid weapon of evil. Immigration is the lifeblood of our country. Always has been and always will be. Our days our numbered if we do not get the aforementioned "fakir" our of power and his "harem of acolytes" as well.
Aristotle Gluteus Maximus (Louisiana)
Remember when Castro emptied his prisons and insane asylums and sent them all to the USA. They were called the Marielitos. It's incredible when you read today of entire schools here in the USA being emptied when the ICE starts working in a community because all of the kids are afraid of being arrested and deported. Or maybe when the southern border was flooded with tens of thousands of children during the Obama administration? 6,000 in 2011 and 60,000 in 2014 and 130,000 in 2015, which cost the American taxpayers Billions of dollars every year.
Kim (NYC)
Hmm, and yet they called Barack O the reporter-in-chief. Fake news, indeed.
Joanne GM (Chicago)
I consider the Times to be a high credibility news source, which is why I subscribe. I am curious about the timing of this story. Why are we just now hearing about it if it took place last May?
richard (denver)
Not that the IndivisibleAgainstTrump New York Times cares, but I find it very difficult to believe these ' anonymous ' sources who either ' attended or were briefed by people who attended ' these meetings. These less than flattering comments , typically of the Resistance Movement , are the reason MSM outlets like The Old Grey lady no longer have any credibility with the public who are sick and tired of the biased ' news ' from all of these mysterious ' anonymous ' sources . Smoke and Mirrors.
T3D (San Francisco)
"Trump berated senior advisers, angered that the influx of foreigners was making a mockery of his campaign pledge." Trump himself makes a mockery of the office of President every time he opens his mouth or logs into his twitter account. Only the moronic refuse to see the damage he inflicts on the integrity of America every day of the week. The only thing sadder is that the republicans keep their heads buried in the sand no matter what lies trump says to his gullible supporters, how coarse and vulgar his behavior, or how casually he destroys American institutions. America will be decades in the rebuilding effort in a Can't-Arrive-Soon_Enough post-trump world.
DanielMarcMD (Virginia)
Yada yada yada. End of the day, in 2017 illegal border crossings were down almost 100% compared to 2016. Trump is a loudmouth, but he gets things done.
Kim (NYC)
They were already done and going done during Obama. That 100% is likely inaccurate, btw.
Jane Taras Carlson (Story, WY)
What things are he getting done?
Elias (New York)
Honestly, it seems that everyday if Trump is more demoralizing. He flails his mad hatter alligator tail at issues. The GOP, Kelly, the generals know he’s unhinged. Alas they follow the money and now to the madness. No integrity in the horizon. Perhaps one will surprise us and pull away with dignity and speak truthfully. Yeah I know unlikely. Money money money.
nemesis (Virginia)
Memo to "intellectual elites", particularly "intellectual elites" in de facto Sanctuary states like CA, NJ, NY, MD, D.C. (they want Statehood). Illegal immigration and failed "intellectual elitist" programs have driven your State and Local taxes up exponentially and chased businesses away. You have virtually NO affordable housing for legal residents let alone illegals and CA can't afford to clear combustible dead brush or environmental regulations forbid it. If the "intellectual elitists" among you want to welcome more illegal immigrants into your state and pay for their services and attendant costs, Raise your taxes and have at it. The rest of us will continue to support your needs for legal residents, we love most of them, but not for the unlawful YOU wish to invite in. If they are, as you claim, an economic assets to your states, you have no need for us to foot YOUR illegals expenses. Complain to your General Assembly and Gov. Moonbeam, not us. That should be understandable to even the creme de la creme of "intellectual elitists", you think?
HANK (Newark, DE)
Shutting the immigration gates does absolutely nothing to stop home grown 2nd Amendment terrorism.
Christopher C. Lovett (Topeka, Kansas)
Despite Trump's denials, and those of his official mouthpieces, Trump's racism is evident in this report. Anyone who lives in New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut, know the Trumps. They know what they stand for, and I can assure those who live in the hinterland, those statements ring all too true. Donald J Trump is a racist and he doesn't care who knows it. Only now he seeks to deny the bigotry that is the centerpiece of his being. How sad for us that he is our president and represents all of us.
WWITK (mD)
So, once again, the arrogant intellectualist liberal perspective that infuses another spoonful of dumb writing. Sigh. First, there is the standard lack of understanding of Trump by ego-sore writers from the tarnished Democrat side of the fence writing as if they gifted authorities on POTUS. Except they aren't. In this latest teachable moment we learn that Trump's stance on DACA, were in reality he is leaving a path to some sort of green card application possibility but only with extensive conditions and then only for some (allowing those who came as VERY young children under age 8 or so; & who have no criminal background; & who are willing to do or have done some military service or approved community service; and are not on welfare). Our erudite authorities on Trump call this a "contradiction". Words matter, and the because you are a journalist you own a superior brain to that of Trump has been proven foolish time & again, tho he continues to liberal intellectual writer's pinpoint predictions. They don't own up much to their mistakes, these journalists, and with every defeat comes a new logic-parsed explanation to satiate the ego of the Vassar or Berkeley grad hired by the Times, Post, CNN, etc. to pronounce (they call it "news analysis") on things they partially or, more commonly, completely misunderstand. Trump is a pragmatist who doesn't get "frustrated" or "afraid" nor does he "backtrack" etc. He is objective-driven. And the MAGA Movement is too.
kceh (Wolverine Lake, Michigan)
So this article, published the day after Trump signed his major legislative victory into law, is based upon comments Trump allegedly made SIX months ago?? Do you remember the apology the NYTimes gave its' readers after getting the presidential race so wrong? They had been too blinded by their own biases; too sheltered from Middle America. If the economy does next year what it did this year, and if the Repubs don't rob medicare or social security, the DEMS and the MSM are going to have to come up with something better than "Trump's a jerk".
Jazyjerome (Albuquerque)
Maybe Drump can be sued for creating a hostile work environment.
John Engelman (Delaware)
Reducing immigration is Trump's strongest issue and the reason he is president. There never has been much enthusiasm for tax cuts for the rich. If Trump can substantially reduce immigration this will have "far reaching consequences" helping American employees and increasing the chances that President Trump will be reelected in 2020. The immigration of races characterized by intelligence and obedience to the law (of course I am thinking of Jews and Orientals) depresses wages. The immigration of races characterized by low intelligence, crime and illegitimacy (everyone knows who I mean) burdens our criminal justice and welfare systems.
Tom (Florida)
How's Mr. Trump doing on his pledge to bring more persecuted Christian refugees into the U.S.? How about it Evangelicals? How's your president doing on that score? (Numbers down dramatically from Obama years. Of course, you're right, Holy Ones, the numbers are probably fake, more work of the anti Trump bogeyman )
Julioantonio (Los Angeles)
Is the president of the United State of America allowed to use such denigrating, racist language against some groups of people, based on myths and stereotypes? Apparently so.
John Grillo (Edgewater,MD)
If a successful Nigerian business person arrived here, fresh from his "hut" in Lagos and wished to buy one of Trump's for sale on Fifth Avenue, would the sale be consummated? I thought so.
Lynne (Usa)
Trump has a hit list that also includes US citizens. Democrats, African Americans, latinos, Europe, china, Australia, London, handicapped, old, very young and informed. So, when is it going to be enough for people? Women are entering the fire storm and any non evangelical religion. Will the Catholics, Mormons, Baptists stand up? He doesn't go near the Jews because of their voting power but he has no problem unleashing Bannon for that job.
Bryan (California)
Trump has no problem welcoming the Russian mob and other white eastern block criminals into our country and Trump tower. Of course, the fact that two of his wives and mother are/were immigrants and that his grandfather was an undesirable immigrant (he was kicked out of Germany!) doesn't count because they are all white. Personally, I do not object to limited immigration but it would appear the primary objective of this administration here is to limit immigration to only white Christians. This appeals to the xenophobia and racism of his base. It is becoming truly difficult to remain proud of my country and countrymen many of which are willing to turn look the other way regarding the nepotism and apparent criminal deeds of this administration to obtain their goals. Presently, the biggest threat to our republic is Russia continuing to meddle in our democracy. This could easily result in tainted elections for our congress and executive branch. Of course, it is not in Trump's interest to protect the integrity of our elections and, therefore, is doing absolutely nothing to deter it. Trump and his republican enablers are nothing other than treasonous to allow this to continue! The longer term and more insidious legacy of this administration and the christian fundamentalists is the anti-press/anti-fact/anti-science assault. Welcome to our modern day Dark Ages. Who would have thought we would come to this in the 21st century?
Mary Anne Gruen (New York)
This article isn't surprising. Trump is a Cruel, Hate Filled, Soulless old man. Who wants to make the whole world as Cruel and Soulless as he is. Trump's father was a Klansman and both Trumps got in legal trouble for trying to keep their properties closed to minorities. So of course Trump wants them out of the country as well. Trump's father also told him to be a king and a killer. Perhaps Trump feels closer to his father when he acts in Cruel and/or Racist ways. Perhaps he feels doing Cruel and/or Racist things he's doing would make his father proud of him. Who knows. Trump is by this time obviously mentally ill. Perhaps that runs in his family as well. Today is Christmas Eve. From the sound of things, Trump is trying to ruin peole's holidays with his Hate Filled Twitterings today. We must commit ourselves to removing this evil administration. But let's wall Trump out today and tomorrow. Let's not let him destroy our Christmas by letting him make us like him. Let us instead remember the baby born in a manger, and what he tried to teach us in terms of loving our neighbor, giving to the poor, and healing whoever we can. I know it's hard when there's a hobgoblin screaming on Twitter. But we need to do it for ourselves. Today claim God's or the Universe's peace. Turn the Hate Filled energy that Trump puts out back to him and gather with your loved ones and reach out to those in need. We are the United States. And we will be us again. Whether Trump likes it or not.
SJM (Astoria)
The United States has fundamentally changed for the worst during the past year. Trump is pure evil and anyone who supports this monster should examine their own life and figure out what is is that is that makes them so hateful and mean spirited. We've lost our way as a country. Happy Holidays.
Howard64 (New Jersey)
the midterm elections may mean life or death for trump and pence.
Archytas (Paris)
Immigration (of colon) is diluation of the national ownership. Why should you want to make your descendent poorer by diluting the infracstructure ? If it was done equally in both way and accounted in number as the trade to be sure that there has as many Europan gene going to Africa and African gene going to France it would be allright.
Agee (UK)
Rubbish , Southern African countries are flooded with European genes , the so called Afrikaans , if you want to try to justify racism then try another lame excuse .
Electra (Smith)
I am entirely uncertain what 'inclusion' means... a term so many people want to use to mean a 'welcoming' society. My understanding is that there are 8 billion people on Planet Earth and that about 7 billion of them would like to live in America. At which 'billion' are we going to hold our hands up and say, 'stop, we're all full up..'? My grandparents were immigrants from the old Russian Empire and I grew up in New York, the ultimate melting pot... but the pace at which people are travelling, 'emigrating' from one part of the world to another is very different now to 100 years ago. At which point are the desirable nations like the UK and the USA going to say.. 'sorry... all full up...'? And when you reach that point.. how are you going to stop the rest from coming?
Dan Frazier (Santa Fe, NM)
Catherine, whose comment on this story currently stands as the most recommended by readers, speaks for many when she recalls her many fond memories of immigrants. But she adds that "There are a few bad apples in all walks of life..." Unfortunately, this holds true in politics too. The Trump presidency is one of the worst "bad apples" I have ever seen. I hope I never see another like it. On another matter, what the heck does Trump have in his hair in the photo splashed largely over this article? Whatever it is, it helps to capture the unkempt lunatic-like feel of the Trump presidency.
DSS (Ottawa)
Believe it or not, but new immigrants make the best citizens. Let's start with Alexander Hamilton.
jwp-nyc (New York)
It is impossible to ignore the allegations levied against Donald Trump in connection with Jeffrey Epstein and the rape of a 13-year-old-girl at the time she allegedly was his victim in light of the fact that in her testimony, which can be listened to by following the Google link at: "Justice for Katie dot com." These allegations reveal that Trump's sadistic fantasies have been acted out and his germ-a-phobic, and anti-immigrant obsessions are tightly wrapped around his sexual fantasies of domination and degradation. This would be troubling enough if Trump were simply a private, privileged, developer, acting out his fantasies on living victims, as his supposed enabler, convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein, apparently did. But, Trump is now President, and his perversions, as well as his need to obscure, redact, and 'scrub' them are threatening our whole justice system. Pay attention, America, and remove this menace. For, make no mistake, Trump is an existential menace to the United States of America.
Kim (Westport)
It does appear as if Trump has been hiring 'scrubbers' to try to hide http://www.justiceforkatie.com I know a lot of women who can't seem to even get through watching it because it's so painful and infuriating. This man has been allowed to be president? Terrifying.
Steve C. (Hunt Valley, MD)
After seeing the comment from "Ed in VA" as a NYT pick, I must again question where we are?; what has happened...?; and where are we going? It's Christmas Eve 2017...I'm trying so hard to even just "remember" that, yes...to "highlight" our past... 1) I have supported and lived through the remarkable eight years of our first African-American President Barack Obama and thought this would change...a lot of things... 2) I have supported and lived through the historic nomination of our first woman, Hillary Rodham Clinton, for President of the United States...and thought that this would change a lot of things... 3) I have been able to legally and publicly marry and proudly show my love for my husband of 30 years...and thought that this would change a lot of things... I have a lot of questions that will never be answered truthfully...we thought our world was changing in a good way...progress was "seemingly" upon us...and then...the dissonant voices decided that a bigger, better, whiter "voice" was needed to remind everyone that a "bigger, better, and whiter" voice is just too loud to be ignored... Please, I want to wake up soon...
Mik (Stockholm)
I hope the US heals.Anger is fuelling both Republicans and Democrats.It may be good for politics but wont be good for the US.
JR Gilles (Boston MA)
To the tune of Santa Claus is Coming To Town You better not pout, you better not cry You better watch out for lie after lie, Don the Con is coming to town He's making a list, he's checking it twice He knows everyone that hasn't been nice Don the Con is coming to town He knows if you've been tweeting Or read the the mainstream news He knows if you've been pro or con Or if you're smart enough to choose He's spreading the wealth, He's spreading the hate He just wants to make a'Murica great Don the Con is coming to town He sits up in his tower Smirking at the land He's feeling full of power and grabbing kittens with his hand (whoa!) You better not pout, you better not cry You better watch out for lie after lie Don the Con is coming to town
Steve Bolger (New York City)
If you want to see a side by side comparison of two countries with different population growth rates, zoom in on the island of Hispaniola and view it from Goggle satellite. You will see the Haitian end of the island clearly demarcated from the Dominican Republican end by the massive deforestation and permanent soil loss evident in the former. It is a little cheeky to say "I ruined my country, now let me in to your's!" in an ever more crowded world.
B PC (MD)
According to the Inter-American Development Bank, headquartered in Washington, DC, individuals of Haitian descent in the US send at least $2 billion each year to Haiti (at least six times greater than the US government’s annual foreign assistance to Haiti). In Canada, where there are fewer social and economic barriers for most immigrants, a former Haitian refugee who arrived in Canada in 1968 as an eleven-year old girl, Michaelle Jean, became the first black Governor General of Canada (the UK Queen’s representative in Canada whose signature is required for every national law in Canada to enter into force) from 2005 to 2010. The resilience and talent of immigrants is what really frightens this administration. I am awed by what the US could accomplish if we elected a government that meaningfully invested in all its people, including newcomers. By the way, the colonial powers, starting with Spain, then France and later the US, exploited Haiti's labor and other resources (including sugar and stolen labor from Africa) to build their wealth. After Haiti's Africans defeated the French to establish a republic in 1804, all of Europe and its colonies throughout the Western Hemisphere retaliated against Haiti through brutal economic embargoes and continued genocide. But Haitians are resilient.
mj (ma)
Unfettered immigration, both legal and illegal, does NOT benefit the average American in any way whatsoever.
Cold War Vet (Seattle)
Everyone knows that it's the legacy of slavery which underlies the racism that continues to resurface in the so-called United States. Everyone knows it's not about immigrants. It's the racism that fuels this poor excuse of an administration.
Cliff Simon (Birmingham, Alabama)
"Some of his friends called and said he looked like a fool" Of course they did. That must happen pretty often.
John0123 (Denver)
"Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, denied on Saturday morning that Mr. Trump had made derogatory statements about immigrants during the meeting." Of course Trump's comments are entirely believable. We have heard this bigoted creature say as much, and worse, with his own foul mouth and taped for posterity.
JB (Mo)
This must happen...assuming, anything is left by then, a blizzard of snowflakes must descend on every polling place in November to blow the myth, ignorance and superstition out of DC and restore the natural order. While Mueller is fiddling, Rome is burning. Every generation has it's crisis, this one is ours. As it always does, when we are threatened, it falls to the people to save Mr. Franklin's republic. This time is no different and we will prevail.
Wm. Brown (SF Bay Area)
Trump’s mother and all four of his grandparents were foreign born. Not clear if his mother’s entry was entirely legal. She probably would not have gotten in if the criteria he wants had been applied. You would think that his family’s immigrant history would make him more sympathetic. Perhaps it’s not immigration so much as the skin color and religion of the immigrants that stoke his rage.
Azalea Lover (Northwest Georgia)
Perhaps it's legal vs. illegal that's the issue. Perhaps it's assimilation vs. remaining separate by choice that's the issue. See France for further information on remaining separate by choice......along with legal vs illegal.
Bemused (Canada)
At some point in time, this stance will come back to bite the United States. Whether it's denying strategic employees the necessary paperwork to contribute to the American economy, or on a humanitarian level, this deeply racist man is well on his way to destroying the image of compassion and forward thinking that the United States previously enjoyed.
Martin Cohen (New York City)
I wonder if either Mr. Trumps's grandfather or mother, both immigrants, would have passed muster under his new requirements.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
Can you picture Trump's grandfather telling the immigration officer that his occupation was "brothel manager"?
Joanne (Pennsylvania)
How about Trump's dad being arrested by the NY police for activities that he took part in at a KKK rally? And his name and picture appearing in the newspaper. Apple, tree, falling apple, not far from, etc.
Former Republican (NC)
The ratings of his impeachment and conviction would destroy anything ever broadcast in this country.
AACNY (New York)
The left will accuse Trump of being xenophobic, bigoted, racist, etc. So what else is new? It matters little what the policy is, the left's response is always the same old, same old. Meanwhile, rational Americans realize our immigration policies under Obama were too lenient, and someone needs to enforce the concept of lawful immigration. Stop complaining when the republicans take the lead and try to do this. Democrats can't or won't.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
What do you do besides screech "Eeek! A liberal!" as if we were mice?
mj (ma)
If they want to lose elections then just keep doing what they're doing. Sanctuary cities/states, DACA, endless economic migrants and Muslim refugees are not in the best interest of America and its citizens. Why don't liberals ever care about them? It is so hypocritical.
Joanne (Pennsylvania)
@AACNY Why do you Trump supporters make up stuff when it can be fact-checked? Pres. Obama deported more undocumented immigrants than any administration ever. You failed today's basic history quiz. Between 2009 + 2015, his administration removed over 2.5 million people via immigration orders. Many others self-deported or were turned away-- then went back to their country of origin via U.S. Customs and Border Protection staffers. I don't have the data of record from 2016. Trump probably destroyed the records. He's so jealous of Obama.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
For Bear Boy. You have the wrong party. It is and has always been the Republican Party that is elitist and Republicans all know that. That is why the tax bill reduced taxes on by 10% permanently and cut taxes for the middle class and poor just for a short time. Maybe you ought to find out what is the the new tax law. Oh and best check you Home taxes and the deductions you will no more have. Then we can talk about which party is elitist. The Democrats are not known for elitism-- never have been
CPBrown (Baltimore, MD)
I don't like Trumps attitudes towards foreigners and his plans for restricting immigration in general. But this idea that he "defied" a bureaucracy . Isn't he the chief executive of this bureaucracy ? Elections DO have consequences, after all. I would imagine the NYT cheering on a future president reversing Trumps changes. But let's be consistent. Should presidents have such far reaching authority to make sweeping changes ? If so, then you have to accept these changes as a result. If not, we need to fight the Imperial Presidency no matter who is in office and what they are doing. Like it or not.
angel98 (nyc)
If the Government honestly wanted to enforce immigration policy it would go after companies and individuals who hire illegal immigrants. No one would come here if there was definitely no work to be had, if policies and policing were in place to prevent hiring illegal immigrants and penalties high enough to deter individuals who hire illegal house-keepers and nannies to companies like Trump's who hire illegal immigrants for construction work. Or is it because there is a hidden upside to illegal immigration? Is it because many businesses thrive and survive and even stay in business by hiring illegal immigrants paying lower wages, often with no health, labor, safety rules or rights in place. Do these businesses have a powerful lobby? Because they are the ones bringing down the hourly wage (if that is a fact), pitting US citizens against illegal immigrants, yet not a word against them, no one is directing venom at them, attacking them. US companies and US citizens give illegal immigrants jobs, illegal immigrants do not take the jobs they are not the ones who decide. As for attacking recent legal immigrants, temporary visa holders and refugees there is no question, it is just ugly tribalism and pitchfork policy – it is directed against non-whites and non-Christians. It always amazes me that people think the US is a white, Christian country. It's never been a white country, there are myriad religions, always have been. It's a country of immigrants of all colors and beliefs.
mj (ma)
Um sorry to burst your bubble but the US has ALWAYS been a white majority nation for the last 300 years.
Ben Ross (Western, MA)
Jane, (reply to jane) I won't bother with well documented and supported statistics - too many blocked by the editorial board here. Be that as it may, it costs $50,000 a YEAR to provide medical treatment for someone with aids. Is it your position that we should further deny American citizens medical treatment to pay for it? Doctors time cost money and so do the researchers who develop medicines. I'm having to work well past retirement- for medical care; the SSecurity cost of living increase was taken away by increased cost for Medicare. TO PAY FOR THOSE ON WELFARE - OBAMACARE fueled by immigration. Not too mention that Nigeria has one of the highest population growth rates in the world. FRrom an unpopulated country at the start of the 20th century they are set to surpass the usa by 2050 in population. Should we reward this egotistically driven population growth - a growth that shows a total disdain for the lives of non human beings - wiping out species after species with hardly even a voice amongst them being raised in objection.
Stephen Holland (Nevada City)
I see a lot of writers who refer to liberals supporting "unrestricted immigration." I have never, ever heard any liberal pol say they support unrestricted immigration. What the article points out is that DT is a barely concealed racist (and an apparently open one in private.) All kinds of panaceas are offered up by writers, from border security to population control, and all are good debatable ideas. But what the article shows us (back to the subject at hand please) is that DT is an individual who cannot control his rage, who cannot dictate by fiat, who abuses subordinates, and who has no real command of the machinery of government. Let us pray for a new year of consolidated opposition to this man, his acolytes, and his party, for a new Congress, and ideas to move forward, not backward.
John DOE (Phoenix)
There are 7 billion people on the world and growing. Around 4 billion live with less than $4/day. You can make a good guess assuming that around 1 percent, or 70M people are criminals. If you open the doors many will jump in. What people do we want on our country? what skills? what for? are corporations looking to reduce professionals' wages with H1 visas? is cheap labor needed for construction? This is something that the country should think carefully and make a precise selection rather than open the doors to anyone. The economic system strongly marked the immigration policy, either legal or illegal. We brought Africans in masses for cheap farm labor, then the Mexicans. Now this economic system needs population growth to work as a large base should sustain the aging population. It is a Ponzi scheme, but who cares. At this point the game is on by opening the gates to immigration keeping the wheel spinning. Like the right of bear arms, the right to choose who you let into your country and your house should be exercised with care.
THE REAL WMK NOT THE IMPOSTER (New York City)
Contrary to what the liberals are reporting, young adult immigrants do not have high school diplomas. We are importing a mostly uneducated class of undocumented immigrants who are a drain on our economy. They are taking services and jobs away from deserving Americans but this is rarely reported. They are also receiving subsidized education that Americans are paying exorbitant fees for and often taking on large amounts of debt. Once they receive their college degrees, they are saddled with college tuition costs that take years to repay. This is a travesty to our American-born citizens. This is why President Trump sits in the White House today. He is listening to their frustrations and taking action.
Mellon (Texas)
It's fake news -- the real stuff-- that Donald is a fixer of immigration flaws. Everyone agrees that you can change the basic criteria on immigration and curtail illegal border-hopping. However, that's not the idea behind Trump. Trump's appeal is primarily to people who want Hispanics chased out of their cities and off the airwaves, and out of the colleges, and who want Muslms barred for reasons of religious bigotry. Period. In 1900, it was Italians and Ukrainians, before that, it was the Irish. By the way, the Kaiser got it right in the early 20th century, when his men refused to take Donald's grandfather back in. That's after the Trump patriarch found the going tough in America. Got it right for Germany, not America, which he seems to have cursed.
mj (ma)
Yeah but the Italians, Ukrainians, Irish and others assimilated and did not want to endlessly murder, bomb, maim and destroy us.
Mike (California)
For some time, the fertility rate of American women has been below the level that is necessary to sustain our level of population. A growing workforce is essential to economic growth. Therefore immigration is our only hope for the benefits of a growing economy.
Diogenes (Belmont MA)
62 million citizens voted for Mr. Trump, because they believed he would get things done, such as stopping immigration and deporting illegal immigrants, even if that required breaking families apart. They also believed he would do this efficiently, avoiding procedural justice and the legislative and judicial branches of the government. Trump has fulfilled their wishes, but at the unknown cost of diminishing America's moral standing and of its ability to maintain its importance as a civilization and as an economic and technological power. Only an open and free society that encourages immigration, integration, travel, and trade can take advantage of the ideas and energies of other peoples. A case in point: Andy Grove, who came to this country in 1956 as a refugee from the Hungarian revolution, penniless. He worked hard, received a good technical education at a free public college, CCNY, and went on to start the Intel Corporation, which makes the chips that run many computers. If we continue to maintain and strengthen these policies, we will decline as a first-rate civilization and power, much as Spain did in the seventeenth century. It hasn't recovered since.
deus02 (Toronto)
For the record, America's "default infrastructure" situation is now number 50 out of the top 50 industrialized nations of the world. Add to that continuing cutbacks in education and the inability for students to attend post-secondary education, that decline AND America's reduced competitive standing in the world is all but guaranteed.
Bian (Arizona)
I can not give Mr T credit for much, but there is a genuine and well founded fear that even legal migrants from the middle east will radicalize or they come that way and we end up with the massacres of San Bernardino and the others. And, they continue as we just saw in NY and nearly again, again in New York from a native of a Muslim country. It is hard to argue against actual vetting, which did not take place with respect to the fiannce visa that resulted in the San Benradino murder of so many. The US needs to be realistic about the people coming in to the US who wish to do us harm, and we have the opportunity to shape who comes in to the US who may actually help the US. Other countries including our dear Canada neighbor have qualifications for whom might come in. Here sadly, we allow in the penniless and illiterate and those who hate us but are glad to take our handouts. Immigration should be addressed: too bad congress both Democrats and Republicans can not quite get to it.
mj (ma)
The only requirement we have is to have two feet so you can walk over our borders or through an airport terminal.
Ross Salinger (Carlsbad California)
I'm still trying to figure out why an engineer from a top foreign school cannot get a green card but the uncle of a taxi driver gets a special pass to come and live here. For decades the policy of "family first" has hurt our economy in so many ways. We have 350 million people in the USA now, isn't that enough?
Terry (Ohio)
A country- any country- is nothing without borders. Borders enshrine the boundaries of national laws and expectations of the citizens within those boundaries. Some laws extend beyond the boundaries but no law ceases to exist within the boundaries. Immigration laws are not open to interpretation by hashtags or liberal/progressive guilt complexes. Legal immigration exists in this country and has for centuries. I fully expect a very rough year for so-called sanctuary cities as they thumb their nose at the laws of our nation, as well it should be.
Robert Maxwell (Deming, NM)
"When he got word that the Office of Refugee Resettlement had drafted a 55-page report showing that refugees were a net positive to the economy, Mr. Miller swiftly intervened. The study never made it to the White House; it was shelved in favor of a three-page list of all the federal assistance programs that refugees used." I see no way in which the US can serve as a lifeboat for the rest of the world's poor and distressed. The nation's carrying capacity is limited. Yet the problem shouldn't be approached in a state of ignorance, let alone outright misinformation. Here's a list of the ways in which immigrants are a "net boon" to the economy. http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/index.html
MCH (Florida)
This is just another NYT hate piece to inspire Democrats who offer our country nothing.
Former Republican (NC)
Oh that's hilarious, considering the Obama tax code and Obamacare is still law, and even Trump confesses that the economy is doing great as a result. The stock market TRIPLED under Obama's budgets, and unemployment is at a 17 year low. So much for Democrats offering nothing, they just happen to have given you everything.
Unpresidented (Los Angeles)
The hate is not in The New York Times, sir or madam. The hate is in your heart, projected onto those around you, and onto those you view as opposing your ideas. Through the lens of hatred, facts become fake news. But facts are still real news, even if you wish they weren't true. You can live in a fantasy world of your own creation, but the real world does not cease to exist. It simply moves on without you.
Robert (Out West)
And a happy holiday to you, on the day of the Child born in Bethelehem as a sign of God's mercy and love, to you as well
DennisD (Joplin, MO)
Considering that Trump borders on self-parody & self-defeat on an ordinary day, it's interesting to see these rants happen where he vents like a small child. When the next presidential election occurs, it's not like rivals won't have plenty of damning material to dredge up ...
Asem (Southern California)
46% racists voted for a White Nationalists President. Elections have consequences and these are some of them.
Seabeau (Augusta,Ga.)
All throughout the nation, whites and blacks once made up the majority of construction workers. Now most construction workers are legal and illegal aliens whose cheaper prices have undercut our native born. Where have the displaced whites and blacks gone? Apparently, no liberal cares.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
As someone who is a jack of several building trades, I can tell you that the workers with the greatest initiatives have hired immigrants who will sell superior skills or endurance for less, and they now engage in real estate capitalism themselves.
Mark Bower (West Norriton, PA)
I would look to their employers before blanket-blaming liberals.
dba (nyc)
Blame and penalize the contractors who hire them. Why aren't they detained for violating the law? If they weren't hiring, the immigrants wouldn't be coming here.
Joe B. (Center City)
Are you surprised to hear of the racist rantings of the white supremacist clown in the white house? Hint for next time -- if your preferred presidential pick often describes himself as "the least racist person in the world", he is probably at the "most" end if the continuum. So on X-mas Eve, might I suggest that all you proud white christians righteously go to church and pray for guidance on your continued support for our racist, hate-filled, despot-wannabe leader. What would Jesus do, indeed.
Alex Vine (Tallahassee, Florida)
Hey Donald, I hate to have to break this to you. This is not Russia. Or China. Or North Korea. Or any country really where you can rule with pure arrogance and abuse. Also, it's also not enough to have as your base white supremacists, KKK members and Nazis because they're still a minority, and even trying as hard as you have to make it bigger you haven't succeeded. As a matter of fact you have succeeded in one sense. You have turned virtually all the young people, minorities and women against you. That's a lot of hate for one narcissist to generate and it will prove to be your undoing.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
Hey, that was a majority of the Congress and Senate dripping unction all over the divine emissary from the far side of the sky a couple of days ago. Aren't they America's best and brightest?
Scott Keller (Tallahassee, Florida)
Archie Bunker was an old white bigot from Queens. Somehow we have his doppelgänger in the White House. As Dirty Harry might say..."Swell."
John (Bernardsville, NJ)
Immigration policy written with hate is not what America should be known for...we need to get rid of these creeps.
Dennis (Florida)
More race baiting agenda a non factual based leftist nonsense. As usual. They play the race card as a power grab and use it to there corrupt immoral agenda. More of the same from Obama's legacy of hate racism and division.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
What is the matter with power-grabbing? You do it.
Beth (Chicago, IL)
I do not wish for this comment to be published, but thought you should know. If you do more research I’m sure that you’ll find there is an error in this article—the refugee program is actually run by USCIS in DHS. “And if there was one “deep state” stronghold of Obama holdovers that Mr. Trump and his allies suspected of undermining them on immigration, it was the State Department, which administers the refugee program.”
Jake Wagner (Los Angeles)
We should be thankful that Trump at least started the needed discussion on illegal immigration. Yes, he was a poor spokesperson for the issue. He vilified illegal immigrants by saying that some of them are rapists. In fact, immigrants are people just like you and me. The only problem is that there are too many of them. Indeed, there are too many people on planet earth, and that is because we have not had a collective plan for limiting population growth. How sanctimonious it is for liberals to preach about global warming and then condemn those who call for limitations on immigration. Do they not realize that population growth is ruining the country? Look at LA for example. It is a hell-hole of traffic jams under a sea of smog, with insufficient water because it is in the middle of a desert. Yet liberals declare LA a sanctuary city, and California a sanctuary state in complete denial of the obvious fact that California is already overcrowded. We need: 1. A complete stop to illegal immigration. Trump is right on that issue. 2. A one-child policy like that of China to limit population growth in the US. With fewer children, we can divert finds from K12 education to universities, thus training more doctors and engineers, and fewer steelworkers and coal-miners. China introduced a one-child policy in 1979. And that has enabled China to improve living standards for a more slowly growing population. As a result, our children will bend the knee to Chinese emperors.
Griffin (Somewhere In Massachusetts)
I agree that the world is overpopulated and yes there are many places in the US that are way to crowded and a drain on natural resources. But your suggestion of a one child policy is laughable in myriad ways but one the one that comes to mind front and center would be the need for solid planned parenthood in this country. And we know how the sanctimonious Republican Party feels about that, don’t we.
Robert (Out West)
For openers, the US birthrate has generally been in decline for decades, as for all the industrialized countries. But it is fun to hear from people who think that a name like "Los Angeles," is plain old Amurrcan white-bread.
Susan T (Southernmost Maine)
We can "divert funds from K-12" education and direct toward universities? Already US schools are falling down on STEM preparation. If primary and secondary schools lose even more funding, I assure you, there will be no one but foreigners who our universities will train.
Philip S. Wenz (Corvallis, Oregon)
Don't forget. It's not just Trump. As they have shown, the Trumpublicans are with him every step of the way.
Les Smith (Rockville, MD)
Yes, Mr. Wenz. The US Census published its annual population estimates on December 20th. If you go to the US Population Clock it notes that adding births - deaths + international migrants, the USA is adding one person every 16 seconds. In 1980, the USA's population was 215,000,000. Today it is 326,000,000 - we have added 110,000,000 more people, primarily through immigration and their off-spring since 37 years - given the support the NY Times and various other leftist groups for continued high immigration, we're projected to reach 435,000,000 in 2050 - adding another 110,000,000 - only 32 years - 5 years less than the 1980 - 2017 period.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
If you look closely, you may see that they have painted "Rapture or Bust!" on their circled wagons.
ZJB (East Hampton NY )
US needs strong defendable boarders. Nothing wrong with that? Doesn't mean that compassion for refugees, guest worker programs, visiter visas ect should not be pursued. Confusing the two issues is an injustice to all parties.
DSS (Ottawa)
I assume that strong borders means strict but fair regulations, not a thick wall. There was a wall in Berlin and another in China, but I don't think they achieved their purpose.
AACNY (New York)
A poor argument to use examples of walls that were built to keep people in.
Carl (Atlanta)
Freudian slip ... ?
BJ (Bergen County)
I am retired and work P/T as a driver for an adult day care center. They have over 100 clients of which none speak English albeit Good-morning and thank you. None of these clients were born in this Country yet the vast majority also reside in senior citizen complexes. They collect Social Security and Medicaid PAYS for the adult daycare center which I am told averages $100/day/client. I am also told there are over 170 of these facilities throughout NJ - primarily populated by foreigners. Some facilities cater strictly to Koreans while others cater to the Russians and or immigrants from India and China. As I drive one group of passengers home to a senior citizens complex (where no one speaks English either) we pass by a large colony of homeless people, living in the woods under blue tarps. I'm told these people have all fallen on hard times after being priced out of their community (Hoboken and Jersey City). Someone kindly explain what is so terribly wrong with this picture? Those that were born and lived here their entire lives are now homeless while those that have come to this County (within the last decade) are reaping government benefits.
mj (ma)
Until we can fully take care of our native born American vets, children, handicapped and elderly, we have no business importing endless amounts of foreigners into our country. I see this same phenomena where I live. These families that come here must somehow remain financially responsible (including medical) for their elderly parents/grandparents that chain migration affords them to bring them here to begin with. These senior services are heavily abused by families who make very good salaries too. Then there is nothing left in the pot for us who paid in for our lifetimes. I know it'll all be gone when I retire.
joe foster (missouri)
You haven't said if these people have lived and worked here for many years or are new arrivals. Many immigrants, especially older ones, have trouble learning English and so remain in a 'ghetto' of similar people. I would hate to have to move to a non-English speaking country because I would be lost and isolated by my lack of language.
PhillipGarcia (Illinois)
At some point someone needs to make the hard decisions. Reagan granted sweeping amnesty in the 80's. Obviously it didn't work. Now we're at a crossroads again. I applaud what Trump is doing, because you can't just have porous borders otherwise you get what we have now... ILLEGAL immigrants stressing our systems from social programs to the legal system. There's a very good reason my immigrant parents waited a couple years and spent a significant amount of money before they could enter the US. They were thoroughly vetted. They weren't criminals. My dad went on to become a citizen and work for the Government and was a pillar of what a successful immigrant looks like. Liberals always equate everything to "feelings" and identity politics. This isn't the time for feelings and identity politics it's time to fix our broken system and like they say, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
Do not expect Republicans to address the root causes of any problem when applying their band-aid solutions. Next time you have an amnesty, do it in conjunction with setting up a national ID system.
Mike (San Jose CA)
I think you just demonstrated what the problem is. Two years? That is almost a joke. If I wanted to bring my daughter she woukd have to wait 15. A lot of money? So are you advocating only the well-off should try? Where’s the fairness?
B PC (MD)
Here are some facts: According to the Inter-American Development Bank (never considered liberal), headquartered in Washington, DC, individuals of Haitian descent in the US send at least $2 billion each year to Haiti (at least six times greater than the US government’s annual foreign assistance to Haiti). In Canada, where there are fewer social and economic barriers for most immigrants, a former Haitian refugee who arrived in Canada in 1968 as an eleven-year old girl, Michaelle Jean, became the first black Governor General of Canada (the UK Queen’s representative in Canada whose signature is required for every national law in Canada to enter into force) from 2005 to 2010. According to the World Bank (not liberal at all), migration unequivocally contributes to positive economic development in both the destination country and the sending country. My opinion is that the resilience and talent of immigrants is what really frightens this administration. I am awed by what the US could accomplish if we elected a government that meaningfully invested in all its people, including newcomers.
Southern Boy (The Volunteer State)
America is in serious need of immigration reform; the nation has not had serious immigration reform since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Legislation since then to halt illegal immigration has failed miserably. The nation needs something similar to the 1965 law. We live in an entirely different world than in 1965. The law needs to reflect the realities of the 21st century. Above all immigration law must provide a strong foundation to American culture. Liberals argue that unrestricted immigration promotes diversity, which they claim strengthens the nation. Well that might be true to an extent, but I believe that new immigrants must assimilate into American society, learn to speak and write English. By assimilation, they strengthened the nation, as they did in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. At the same time, however, they brought in unsavory habits, customs, and ideas that did not contribute to but undermined Americanism, which led to laws to curb immigration in the 1920s. We see the same thing happening now. It seems that immigration has gone full circle. For that reason America needs immigration reform and President Donald J. Trump is the man who has the courage and wherewithal to make that happen. I support the President. I support Trump. I support America; America as it should be and will be. Thank you.
Bashh (Philadelphia, Pa.)
One of the ways immigrants were assimilated into the American way of life and learned the English language was by attending public schools. With Betsy DeVos and her love for charter schools that is going to be more and more difficult. Charters are able to pick and choose their students and are less likely to admit anybody who needs extra or special services like ESOL. It affects their bottom line, all that is important anymore in this country under Trump. I am all for immigrants being assimilated into an American way of life, which includes the use of the English language. That is why many of us liberals volunteer to assist in ESOL programs for adult immigrants. Unfortunately the kind of America we hoped they and we would be able to experience is disappearing under the second coming of the Know Nothings now under the leadership of Trump with the advice of Miller
B PC (MD)
According to the Inter-American Development Bank, headquartered in Washington, DC, individuals of Haitian descent in the US send at least $2 billion each year to Haiti (at least six times greater than the US government’s annual foreign assistance to Haiti). In Canada, where there are fewer social and economic barriers for most immigrants, a former Haitian refugee who arrived in Canada in 1968 as an eleven-year old girl, Michaelle Jean, became the first black Governor General of Canada (the UK Queen’s representative in Canada whose signature is required for every national law in Canada to enter into force) from 2005 to 2010. The resilience and talent of immigrants is what really frightens this administration. I am awed by what the US could accomplish if we elected a government that meaningfully invested in all its people, including newcomers
mj (ma)
We can posthumously thank Senator Ted Kennedy for what we've got going today. The Hart-Celler Act abolished immigration restrictions. Teddy fiercely supported it so that more from Ireland could come over here. Thing is it is no longer 1965. Time for a do-over.
B PC (MD)
According to the Inter-American Development Bank, headquartered in Washington, DC, individuals of Haitian descent in the US send at least $2 billion each year to Haiti (at least six times greater than the US government’s annual foreign assistance to Haiti). In Canada, where there are fewer social and economic barriers for most immigrants, a former Haitian refugee who arrived in Canada in 1968 as an eleven-year old girl, Michaelle Jean, became the first black Governor General of Canada (the UK Queen’s representative in Canada whose signature is required for every national law in Canada to enter into force) from 2005 to 2010. The resilience and talent of immigrants is what really frightens this administration. I am awed by what the US could accomplish if we elected a government that meaningfully invested in all its people, including newcomers.
John (Florida)
Immigration is not a bad thing, but uncontrolled illegal immigration is. I personally agree with Trumps plan to allow immigrants who will help our country as opposed to those who will drain our resources. I know everyone can come up with at least one example as Catherine has but there are also countless examples of people we do not want here such as the MS12 gaing. If we do not control who comes in, we will become a nation living under terrorism, crime and fear. I cannot believe that people do not understand this. Additionally, I cannot understand why the press wants to parse every word spoken into something. If that continues, no one can ever say anything as we all make generalized statements in the heat of a moment and that we do not actually mean it - ask your wife or your husband. If people continue to pick apart every word and action by our leaders, we will destroy the best nation on earth - one that helps so many other nations. However, we are not able to take in all the people from all the corrupt nations in the rest of the world - especially if they do not want to assimilate into our culture. Catherine gives a perfect example of an illegal immigrant who did assimilate but the people coming today do not seem to want to do that and it will not work if they do not. We will become a mixture of disparate cultures with non-similar goals and directions.
mj (ma)
The Balkanization of our nation can be chalked up to unassimilation and never ending 'diversity' support from liberals. People from foreign cultures keeping their traditions is a-o.k. but not for white people or Americans in general.
david x (new haven ct)
"Friends were calling to say he looked like a fool, Mr. Trump said." The problem, Mr. Trump, is that you're making our nation look like a country of fools. "But while Mr. Trump has been repeatedly frustrated by the limits of his power...." Yes, nothing but a dictatorship will do. Kim Jun Un can launch a missile or explode a nuclear device whenever he feels like it. Why can't I? How come the press writes all these terrible things about me? You don't see Putin or Duterte putting up with that kind of stuff. Trump just doesn't get that there are supposed to be limits to his powers--that that's our system of government. But if this stuff keeps up, who knows what our nation will become?
Intellectual (NYC)
I have worked in higher education for 19 years, including with international students on the F1 visa. Many are able to obtain H1B work visa sponsorship. The ones that do are often filling roles where few qualified US citizens/permanent residents exist, such as biostatisticians, data scientists, doctors, researchers, professors, software engineers at the master's and doctoral levels. They are ambitious, hardworking, and appreciative of work opportunities, to an extent that employers are willing to spend $10,000 more for them. Immigrants bring tremendous benefit to our country economically. If Trump were truly worried about them "taking American jobs" then he'd be investing in rigorous K-12 mathematics and science education so that our students choose these disciplines to study, to pursue PhDs in. Instead, these smart immigrants are going to go to other countries, bringing their innovative ideas with them, and our economy will be left in the past, with "shovel ready" jobs for an under-educated and un-ambitious workforce with shoddy primary education.
mj (ma)
Isn't it nice that the countries that these students come from are afforded undergraduate educations for free or low cost? How can Americans compete with that?
john (washington,dc)
You seem to have a lot of unrelated points. Why can’t the states invest in K-12? Does everything have to be the Feds? How about if we cut down on student visas so fewer foreigners are taking up spots in engineering schools?
arztin (dayton OH)
And with DeVos' determined attacks on public education, it will get worse
KOOLTOZE (FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA)
Unemployment is at just over 4% nationally. That means that nearly 96% of the workforce is employed. Trump and Congressional Republican'ts keep saying their policies will create more jobs. Who will fill them? Trump is doing everything he can to lower the number of legal immigrants allowed to enter America. There has been no proposals advanced by the Go-P leadership to create a guest-worker program. Agriculture businesses are unable to find the laborers they need to operate. Many diverse businesses are struggling to find qualified laborers. As I drive along US highways I see countless "HIRING" signs. Who will they hire? Some employers, like produce farms and food processing plants, have always relied on immigrants (both legal and undocumented) to survive and flourish. That's why enforcement of 'E-Verify' has been ignored by Congress and ICE. Big Agriculture doesn't want all illegals deported and they spend hundreds of millions of dollars lobbying and bribing Officials to look the other way. As for Trump's 'wall', By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Monday, May 22, 2017 The nexus of illegal immigration into the U.S. has shifted away from the southwest border and into the country’s air and sea ports, where more than 54 million visitors checked in last year — and nearly 630,000 of them didn’t go home, according to new numbers released Monday. Indeed, more than 98.5 percent of those admitted through airports and seaports departed before their admissions expired in 2016.
John Townsend (Mexico)
@WATSON re "Everything this administration does will be reversed". The threat of a DEM electoral win can only mean of course that Russian meddling in our election process will be shoved into high gear for 2018, and trump's complicity in it will become even more brazen, concerted and entrenched. The man is power crazed and has no scruples about pulling out all stops to keep it that way. The GOP will continue to use its wide elective powers to aggressively advance their voter suppression scheming in blatant gerrymandering and tampering with voting rights and mechanisms. At this very moment they are expanding the "Interstate Crosscheck" that has already illegally and unconstitutionally denied over 1 million poor, minority, and inner city people their right to vote.
john (washington,dc)
Do you go to the Dark Web to get this stuff? Please tell us what proof you have of Trump’s complicity? So far only the corruption on the seventh floor of the FBI has been proved.
AACNY (New York)
Guess you didn't get the memo. Democrats have realized there's no collusion so they've moved on. Their new strategy is impeachment based on allegations of sexual assault. Perhaps democrats would prefer to focus on jobs and the economy, which is what their constituents keep telling them is most important, but their extremist left is forcing them to pursue impeachment, along with unpopular immigration policies.
Diogenes (Florida)
One-third of Americans approve of the president. In their view, he merely expounds what they believe and he has promised to correct the perceived injustices of the political system. The Republican Party in a turn-around has also pledged its fealty. The grovelling exhibited at the tax bill signing exemplifies this 180- degree change. The coming year will see more attacks on the immigration system, rather than a bi-partisan attempt to correct its flaws.
VK (São Paulo)
Irony of destiny is that only a minority of the contemporary American population has a genuine American pedigree. The first colonial settlements were an absolute failure, and most of its settlers died within one year after landing. That was the case even for the famous Plymouth colony, where most died within one year of settlement. Most Americans living right now are descendents of European immigrants from the late 19th Century and first half of the 20th Century (specially the inter-war and post-war periods). Few Americans can claim full American descent by more than 150 years. More ironically, that also means that the African-American population can claim more American pedigree than most white Americans, since most can trace their American descent back to slaves from the pre-Civil War era. Another ironic fact: albeit the USA has been growing circa 3% of GDP, it has the second biggest demographic bonus of the OCDE nations (behind only India). That means its per capita growth is only a little bit above 1.3%. That means Trump can claim economic growth largely thanks to 21st Century immigrants -- mostly, Central Americans and Brazilians, who come into droves to work almost for free, without any rights of citizenship.
Llyod (Austin)
It does seem to me immigration should be viewed from the perspective of how it will help The citizens of United States and not how it helps the immigrants themselves (though usually they are both mutually inclusive like a work-equity ownership arrangement). I understand some people will recoil at the premise but it is a realistic, cleared eyed view of why a nation must have specific goal in mind for a immigration policy. Much like why people hire live in employees as these immigrants will be living in our home country and we must ensure that it is for our country’s benefit.
John Walker (Coaldale)
Why do many of the people who bemoan global warming fail to see the connection to population growth and immigration? Immigration to the US provides a safety valve for the ongoing overpopulation elsewhere, including countries that are culturing despair and terrorism because they create people faster than they create meaningful employment. On top of that, most of those who reach our shores also up their consumption significantly and contribute directly to global warming. The world is a complex place full of interlocking problems. We need to integrate our populations and our thinking if we are to best serve the coming generations.
Colenso (Cairns)
If he were able to speak to us across the centuries, what would Tecumseh declaim about immigration into the Americas from Northern Europe and elsewhere? If those sold into slavery and shipped across the Atlantic in chains were allowed to be heard today, centuries later, what would they have to say about the abduction, forced migration, and relocation, of millions of African men, women and children? Immigration benefits certain groups of humans. It does not benefit everyone. It never has and it never will.
jwljpm (Topeka, Ks.)
Trump is right about one thing. We need tougher vetting. For example, if we had more carefully vetted a German trying to become a citizen by the name of Frederick Trump, circa 1885, and eliminated him from consideration as an immigrant because of his racist views, and prevented him from ever entering the United States, we'd be far better off as a country.
Barbara (SC)
As with most everything he does, Mr. Trump approaches immigration with a heavy hand. He fails to recognize that immigration led to his own family's wealth. He fails to see that the skills and enthusiastic hard work of most immigrants has made our country the wonderful place it is.
Sailaway (Friendship)
As we celebrate Joseph and Mary finding refuge in a manger at the inn and giving birth to Jesus, our nation under this president turns the Josephs and Marys away with no offer of shelter, and calls their Jesus's anchor babies. We are a Godless nation claiming to be Christian. God knows fakes when He sees them. When we don't stand up and prepare the manger, offer our charity, and live the life that Jesus taught us, we don't deserve His praise, comfort or blessings. Stop kidding ourselves. We aren't the shining example of Christian, other religious and humanistic values we claim to be. Conservative and liberals owe it to our children and further generations to make our nation the example that Jesus offered. Christmas 2017 can be the beginning of a better America. It starts with each of us.
Harriet (San Francisco)
This article illustrates why we must not be hopeful for 2018 or 2020. That fragile victory in the Alabama senate race, the repeated letters to the Times predicting that once Republican voters see the results of this or that tax bill or administrative policy, they will switch votes--no, they will not. The Republicans are addressing deep-seated emotions which outweigh evidence or even self-interest, and how close Ray Moore came to the Senate is proof. We cannot "take back" Congress or the White House, our national lands or our international reputation, until anti-Republican voters are fired with the same "passionate intensity", as WB Yeats put it, as are the Republican voters.
AACNY (New York)
There's also the small detail that 3/4 of taxpayers will see their taxes reduced. International reputation is unimportant to most Americans, while more money in their paychecks and improved jobs' prospects will always grab their attention.
ZJB (East Hampton NY )
US needs strong defendable boarders. Nothing wrong with that? Doesn't mean that compassion for refugees, guest worker programs, visiter visas ect should not be pursued. Confusing the two issues is an injustice to all parties.
Alex B (Newton, MA)
We were shown Frank Sinatra's "The House I Live In" in school in 1945. I hope we all watch it now. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2j5str.
JeffP (Brooklyn)
First we create an excuse to go to war. Then we destabilize entire regions, forcing innocent civilians to flee for their lives. Then we refuse to help those people we turned into victims. The Decline and Fall of the American Empire cannot happen fast enough to save the millions of people we do not care about.
J. Harmon Smith (Washington state)
Legal, controlled, selective, strategic immigration that does not overcome and swamp the existing culture is a good thing, an essential component of a thriving economy and a vibrant country. Many other nations, including nations considered progressive, enforce immigration laws with these goals (Canada for example). If our country had continued to look the other way and accept massive immigration that originates with, and is mostly driven by failed and corrupt nations and impoverished cultures, we would risk being dragged down to their level eventually. I don't blame the illegals at all, those who come here to assimilate, to support themselves, to follow the law. I'd sneak across a border too, had I been born in a rotten part of the world. I do blame our elected and bureaucratic leaders on both sides of the aisle for this mess, for looking the other way for decades while cheap workers streamed in. Had they been doing their jobs, they would have 1) created an effective and fair guest worker program, 2) enforced the law at our borders, and 3) supported the forces of freedom and success in nations that callously ignore the needs of their own people.
Monica (New York City)
If this were a movie, would anyone be rooting for the Stephen Miller and Donald Trump characters? I can't wait until we are no longer led by the villains.
Sarah M. (USA)
I believe there are reasons aside from racism for his stance on immigration. I have read that lower population growth inevitably causes greater concentration of wealth; It's one of the basic premises of the Piketty book. Americans do not reproduce sufficiently and without immigration the rich get richer as the income from capital outpaces the income from labor. Having fewer workers also gives this administration a more credible case for cutting social security.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
A 50% increase of the total amount of CO2 emitted by fossil fuel combustion since the industrial revolution first gathered steam 200 years ago is already baked into the next 25 years. If you don't save the planet, you'll have no legacy at all.
Ralph (Golden, CO)
A friend's family had planned to go to Belgium for a wedding party to meet relatives of the bride with a green card. The bride was warned by US immigration that returning to the US was not guaranteed. The trip for the family was cancelled. Trump is restricting the legitimate and legal travel of immigrants by his threats.
Scott Rader (LasVegas)
If we spent less time destabilizing much of the world we would have a lesser problem with illegal immigration. We spent many decades, over the course of multiple administrations, enthusiastically causing chaos and death in Central America. We can't seem to muster any energy or interest in the region now, beyond complaining about the gangs that we are largely responsible for creating. It's too bad that we are trapped with the Trump administration's nasty version of the world, but is this really anything new, or is it just a monster truck version of the same badly driven vehicle that we've been driving all along? I think that Donald Trump should be congratulated for revealing to us who we really are. The unvarnished Id steps forth.
Ms. Pea (Seattle)
I often get the impression that Trump really doesn't believe in his policies that much, he just wants to prove he's president and can change policy if he wants to. All his life, it seems he's been attempting to prove that he's a man of substance, who should be feared. But, as always with men like that, he only becomes weaker in the eyes of others. His posturing, his tantrums, his berating aides, his insults and lies--these are all attempts to force others to respect him, but all they do is the opposite. So it is with his immigration policies. It's possible that he doesn't care at all about immigration--he's brought foreign workers into his businesses for years. And, court documents were unsealed this year that showed Trump hired hundreds of undocumented immigrants in the past and made them work in unsafe conditions. He ultimately paid $1.375 million for labor violations. Trump doesn't care much about anything that isn't directly associated with his business or his family. So, like all his other policies, his immigration policies are just his attempts to spite his opponents. He is actually devoid of conviction, changing policy just because he can.
frank monaco (Brooklyn NY)
I find it so amusing that Mr. Trump and many of his followers talk about keeping immigrants out, yet these same people hire them for cheap Labor. Trump hires them at Mar-Largo they can't complain if they do they get sent back to their country.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
In grown-up country, Trump would have been shunned after his first rabble-rousing rally.
AACNY (New York)
In a grown up country, they wouldn't be trying to impeach an elected president just because they don't approve of him.
Joanne (Pennsylvania)
@ AACNY Keep up. How about he scammed an election with Russia and their propaganda arm of Wikileaks and there's no way he should have won the election by 70,000 votes in 3 states other than coordinated fraud and targeted voters. How about his son 'loved it' that Russian operatives offered dirt on his political opponent so he invited the same Russians to Trump Tower and we're supposed to believe Trump himself didn't attend when he was in the building that afternoon, home from a fundraiser in NY. 9 of his staffers had proven contacts with Russia. One's on house arrest, another is on a virtual chain, two lied to the FBI and are collaborating witnesses who likely wore wires for months while in contact with the entire Trump Soprano Family.
Danny (NYC)
“Friends are calling to say he looked like a fool” To prevent that perhaps he should not have made sweeping over generalizations about the nature of immigration issues, conflated these issues with bigotry, and made promises he could not deliver on. Most people are for reasonable immigration laws and reform where necessary. Trump is a bigoted nativist that lives in an extremely small bubble. His views on the world mirror a 1970’s “Archie Bunker” type from Queens.
Margaret (Colorado)
Oh, trump is much worse than Archie Bunker.
C. Holmes (Rancho Mirage, CA)
When Melania Trump came to this country exactly what special contribution was she offering that thousands of native-born Americans couldn't give she? The then named Ms. Knavs had only a high-school education (having lied about graduating college) and worked illegally in the US. God knows what "off the books" type work this struggling "model" probably did in the meantime. The hypocrisy of this Administration knows no limits, it has no shame.
Bucketomeat (The Zone)
Just what special skills did she possess, indeed. One could speculate.
P McGrath (USA)
Mr. Trump truly had his hands full. The outgoing president was a big fan of illegal immigration telling the frustrated border guards to "stand down". Mr. Obama kicked small business in the teeth by foisting the largest tax increase in history on them in the form of Obama care in the middle of a recession. Mr. Trump was replacing an American President that cuddled up to Iran the largest exporter of terrorism and turned his back on Saudi Arabia. Mr. Trump was replacing a president that hated Netenyahu and hated Israel. Mr. Trump also was replacing a president that lectured the American people on Islamophobia while American blood was still in the streets and in the Pulse Nightclub. Mr. Trump follows a President that kicked the North Korea can down the road again and again. In one short year illegal immigration has been cut down by 70% The economy is roaring The stock market hit 80 all time highs since Mr. Trump took office Veterans are being paid attention to. America has much better relationships with Israel, Russia, Egypt and Saudi Arabia to name a few.
Steve (Colorado)
Six supposed sources but only one was identified as supposedly having actually been in the meeting. The others are identified as having been 'briefed'. If only one person allegedly heard these comments then told 5 others about what he says he heard then that is one source. Not 6. All the others who were identified by name as having been in the meeting say that 'aids' nor 'huts' was mentioned. So the reporters run with the unnamed and those allegedly 'briefed' to create this story and the attending narrative. There is a reason trust in the press is waning.
Former Republican (NC)
This nitpicking of the press hasn't been this prevalent since Nixon. Figures ...
Erik Rensberger (Maryland)
To be clear-- Sarah Huckabee Sanders, notably peccable in word, and also not present, *says* that the named officials did not hear those phrases. The direct witnesses who said, to the Times, that they did not hear the most egregious slurs, are as confidential as those that said they did. In any case, the undisputed parts of the story paint a damning enough scene of an ignorant, impulsive, weak, and vindictive executive.
Dennis D. (New York City)
In the first year of the Trump, the United States has reached a historic milestone. We now know what it's like to have the worse president in history at the helm of what was once a great country. Once considered a beacon of hope to the world, the United States is now looked upon as a laughingstock. Rubbing salt into the wound, we have Republicans, who control both Houses of Congress, colluding with this deranged demagogue determined to do as much harm as possible until voters revolt, and remove the majorities from both Houses. Trump is the last chief executive one would want to give a rubber stamp Congress to, a Congress which dutifully marches off to the White House to heap praise and endless compliments upon their naked emperor. What beautiful attire their Fearless Leader is wearing today, they extol. How exquisite, seconds the Speaker of the House, while the Majority Leader of the Senate marvels at how engaged this president is with the most arcane facets of the tax bill. Trump must be the smartest person in the world. Or so he says. Have a Merry Christmas, Republicans. As for a Happy New Year? I wouldn't want to be in your shoes come next November. DD Manhattan
Margaret (Colorado)
Ms. Goldberg's hypothesis makes the most sense to me: "Erich Fromm, a German-Jewish psychoanalyst who fled Nazism, described authoritarian personalities as simultaneously craving power and submission. “The authoritarian character loves those conditions that limit human freedom; he loves being submitted to fate,” he wrote. Fate, in his formulation, can be the laws of the market, the will of God, or the whims of a leader. According to Fromm, authoritarians might make a show of valuing freedom and independence — watchwords of the American right — but long to be ruled by a stronger force. Viewed this way, it’s not surprising that religious conservatives have been among Trump’s most ardent fans. Certainly, it’s understandable that people on the right would try to get what they can out of this president. But the relationship between Trump and many Republicans increasingly looks less like a marriage of convenience than a sadomasochistic affair." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/opinion/fifty-shades-trump-republican... If we are going to save our country, November 2018 elections are our best hope. We must do all we can to support ethical candidates, and to encourage everyone we know to vote for them. We also need to be calling Congress every day, right now. 202-225-3121. 202-224-3121 And once we win back the House and Senate, we need to remember to be ever vigilant.
michael roloff (Seattle)
what a catastrophe has befallen the united states in having Trump for a chief executive!
THE REAL WMK NOT THE IMPOSTER (New York City)
Members of President Trump's staff are denying he ever made these racist remarks. Who are we to believe? I believe Mr. Trump given the fake news media track record that we have seen recently by those media outlets that will discredit our president at every opportunity. Pope Francis is calling out the news media for their false reporting. He should know as he has been a victim of false news reporting.
Former Republican (NC)
DOTUS lied about the number of Congressional races won by Democrats. He lies about simple, irrefutable facts. The only honest statement I can recall him making was that the election was rigged.
Paul King (USA)
Now the good news. Only one more year of President Trump. On November 3, 2018, you and I will vote along with a massive WAVE of Americans, from all political leanings, who still can think straight and know phony from fact, and a Russian conspirator when they see one. The House and Senate will be stripped of Radical Republican rule and that will effectively end the Trump presidency. Over the next 10 months Trump will absolutely provide many additional crazy moments to motivate Americans to hate him, assuring his downfall. Only one more year. Register to vote in November. Catch the wave!!
John Townsend (Mexico)
We need to stop entertaining intellectual curiosity items about this guy and hold him to account for doing everything from obstructing investigations to enriching himself by refusing to divest interests. His henchmen keep trying to normalize the abnormality of his behavior. Nothing about his time in office has been normal and nothing about him has changed. He is grossly incompetent and proves it daily. He is using the office to enrich himself and his spawn, and proves it daily.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
A popular Christmas carol tells us that under Christ "all oppression shall cease." Apparently Trump and his so- called Christian Republican Congress have not heard this one. Under the Republican cabal Americans have endured an oppression never known before, including suppressive immigration bans, an uncontrolled NRA, unfair taxation, attacks on the Constitution and rule of law, denigration of an obviously honorable FBI and unholy extremist racism etc. What have I left out?
Occupy Government (Oakland)
Donald and his children have never faced a problem they couldn't fix with money, so they don't see the need for compromise. Donald routinely hires Romanians at Mar-a-Lago on H-1B visas claiming he can't find anyone in Florida who can make beds and bus tables. Not incidentally, Romanians are all white. Conclusion: Donald is an outlier; an out and out liar.
Dan Lockerh (Brooklyn)
Trump is angered by illegal immigrants not legal immigrants. I have watched some of the Mexican protesters demanding they be allowed to stay in our country because it is their right. Are they serious? The problem is no one really understands our current immigration laws. There must be a way to work this out short of the Obama approach which was to let illegals all in. It cost us 26B a year to provide benefits like Medicaid and food stamps to all the illegals in our country. We can't afford to do this when our vets can't afford proper health care. We have been suckered by the Mexican government on immigration and NAFTA. They take our factories and send us their unemployables. What is wrong with this picture?
Peter S (Western Canada)
Watching what's going on the United States from next door is truly disturbing; one can only imagine how it feels from inside. There is the horror of directly experiencing the plight of being trapped by the web of executive orders, judicial restraints and reversals along with the immigration patrols; then there is the horror of realizing that about 30% of Americans think these are good things... It's Christmas too...one can imagine Jesus at just about any stage of his life being held, along with his family, in some squalid refugee holding tank for "illegals" or just being deported back to the Middle East, and a rather certain death. It's a familiar story, eh?
Les Smith (Rockville, MD)
Let's send all the people who you pretend to care about to live in Canada, afterall, Canada has less than 1/3 the USA population in a land mass larger than the USA - then you can deal with the costs and problems of massive immigration.
Peter S (Western Canada)
This is about how people are treated, not your ability to control your borders. Canada is much smaller than 1/3 your size and per capita takes many more people and spends more money per capita on them too. As for our large land mass--try living in the arctic yourself if you think its habitable.
Robert Roth (NYC)
It continues to astound me how such terrible people keep disagreeing on the nuances of their viciousness.
Jane (NY State)
Well also - suppose some Haitian immigrants did have AIDS, or some Nigerians did come from extreme poverty? Trump's attitude is totally non-compassionate. He just denigrates them for their problems, wants them to go away and take their personal tragedies somewhere else. It doesn't occur to him that the USA might help them.
Jeremy (Vermont)
Racist baby throws a hissy fit. This is news? He is an insult to the office and to the nation. We knew that before this latest report of his instability and his thin-skinned ego. Can't wait for his time in the spotlight to end.
Welcome Canada (Canada)
Either the Grifter lies or/and goes crazy, the man needs help. America is a bad joke. Not even funny!
Robert Henry Eller (Portland, Oregon)
"But so many foreigners had flooded into the country since January, he vented to his national security team, that it was making a mockery of his pledge." No, President Holster Mouth. Every pledge you make, during your campaign, during your administration, is a mockery. Why? Because it came out of your mouth.
Elliott Jacobson (Wilmington, DE)
Witnessing this presidency, is like watching a synthesis of the nativist leader, Bill "The Butcher" Cutting (Gangs of New York) and Archie Bunker landing in the Oval Office. Inspired by his ignorance, excited by his prejudices, intoxicated with his power, he policy making grows out of barroom talk, beauty parlor babble, street corner debates. In short, Donald Trump is just not a president and God, Allah, Buddha, money, his base, ten thousand angels and his sycophants cannot make him one.
Nicholas (Canada)
Lady Liberty - a GOP remake. Like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With haggard limbs collapsed from bank to bank; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A vile harpy with a stench, whose fame Are the crushed innocents, and her name Mother of Oligarchs. From her withered hand Grows plutocratic corruption; her cruel eyes command The air-bridged harbour that twin cities frame. “Keep, ancient lands, your weak and poor!” cries she With sneering lips. “Give me your privileged, your rich, Your golden gilded few, yearning to deprive the many, Those who instrumentally use and dispose of men. Send these, to create homeless families and despair, I lift my blood soaked hand, for I’m the golden gorgon.
khughes1963 (Centerville, OH)
Splendid! You've captured the zeitgeist of this miserable maladministration!
JC (NY)
I read what you wrote from the last line upwards, it is amazing and makes sense no matter which end you start reading it.
DrSam (Seattle-ish)
I'm ashamed of our government. And I'm ashamed of our country for allowing this evil and ignorant person, and his sycophants, to assume and maintain power. I don't know what more there is to be said.
Rw (Canada)
Well of course he made those comments. And if the hours of video from the making of The Apprentice are ever released, they will, according to reporting from Oct/16, show him speaking in the same manner. He's an ignorant pig, about everything and everybody.
P Wilkinson (Guadalajara, MX)
This is such an inappropriate and illegally acting president. He represents the citizens of the US, not his supporters or his image, which to me is of fat old buffoon. Let´s impeach the guy. Thanks Oval Office leakers - imagine any boss "storming in raging" and spouting insane stereotypes. This behaviour has no place in the USA, certainly not in the Oval Office.
MDB (Indiana)
I don’t know what enrages me more: The fact that Trump would make such a blatant and outrageous lie about Haitian immigrants, or the fact that I’m not the least bit surprised that he would make such a blatant and outrageous lie about Haitian immigrants. What a disgrace.
Chris (CA)
I will do everything in my power as a writer and a citizen to make sure that Donald Trump is remembered in history as a monster who sowed hatred and that punished and oppressed those people who most needed support in the world. This president is not Hitler, but we will use his example in the same way that we used Hitler to create good for future generations.
Linda Easterlin (New Orleans)
Such ugliness, such naked ignorance, not a hint of shame. How did trump ever get one American to vote for him much less win the presidency?
Mark Esposito (Bronx)
Trump is a disgrace to this country. He has got to go.
Bren (Windsor, CA)
Pathetic that his enablers are still so ready and willing to lie for him. You'd think that the convictions of Flynn and Papadopoulos would start making them think twice about lying so consistently, since the habit might trip them up when they are finally forced to testify under oath.
THE REAL WMK NOT THE IMPOSTER (New York City)
It is a falsehood that the young adults immigrating here are high school graduates. Many are dropouts with criminal backgrounds. Once here, they continue their criminal activities and are crowding our prisons. These are not the sweet and innocent types the liberals and media paint them to be. These are the criminal element that their counties want to get rid of and deposit them onto our shores. Once here, it is next to impossible to send them back to their home countries. There is an easy solution. Do not allow them into our country in the first place.
Tomas O'Connor (The Diaspora)
A germaphobe and "humophobe" who is purported by his ex-wife to have read only one book in his life, "My New Order" - a collection of Hitler's greatest speeches, now the leader of the free world. What could possible go wrong?
FilmMD (New York)
I am baffled as to why Mr. Trump is furiously denying these slurs. He has already said many worse things in public. Maybe he has forgotten that he has labeled Mexicans as criminals and rapists.
Rae (New Jersey)
to cover up the fact that he leaked this
Edward Calabrese (Palm Beach Fl.)
There is nothing to disguise the blatant disdain that DJT has for any non-whites. His disgraceful descriptions of Hatians as AIDS carriers and Nigerians as "hut dwellers" are something one might have expected to hear in some George Wallace days high school in the 'Ole South' Having grown up in the 1960's, I well remember the influx of Cuban refugees that attended my parochial school. Interacting with these people opened a new world to me that I still value those experiences. Mr. Unpresidential is a man filled with hate who would have this country solely populated by the inbred and ignorant who would only serve his billionaires boys club.
Gino G (Palm Desert, CA)
Amazing, people would rather believe two unnamed sources- one of who got it second hand! - than believe absolute denials from people who were there, who give their names, and who were willing to go on the record. Worse, far worse, the Times prints these words as if Trump did in fact say them, and prints nothing, right afterward, which gives even equal space to those who deny the president used those words. The way the Times choose to print this story appeared to give absolute credence to the unnamed sources. And - the paper conveniently buries the fact that other unidentified sources who were present said they did not hear Trump say those words. The paper interviews dozens, then picks out a disputed item which only one unnamed person actually there claims to have heard. And, true to form, cable news media picked it up and re-reported the "bombshell". This is absolutely disgusting irresponsible journalism at its worst. To all those who gleefully rush to believe the "unnamed" source, I hope that you never are the subject of an unfounded untrue rumor from an unnamed source. I have been. It will cause chaos in your life. By the time you hear it, so many others will have heard it already that it will be impossible to defend yourself. Because people, especially people you don't know, or who might not like you, would much rather believe a juicy rumor than believe you.
just a sophomore (nj)
Your point is well taken. Perhaps, Donald Trump never made these hasty generalizations. Even if he hadn't, there is so much public evidence about his heartless vision, his limited thinking, his boorish nature, and his disregard for those not of his clan (white male Americans, to which I belong), that such statements are believable, even if not true. Sadly, we expect the worst from this man. And more sadly still, he delivers. I would love to hear a story about him where he exhibits 100% compassion simply for compassion's sake and not with self-aggrandizement as his motive. Can you relate such a story to us?
Perrin Lam (San Francisco)
Trump has a decades long, well documented history of making racist remarks and taking racist actions. He also has a well-recorded penchant for demanding absolute fawning loyalty and obedience. In a fifty-fifty contest of which witnesses are lying, any rational opinion points to Trump's Nazi inclinations.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
America was the land of the free. We want it back. Praise God for the leakers our defense again a selfish Godless president!
jaco (Nevada)
If the leakers really exist they are cowards for remaining anonymous.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
New News for Trump. Arabs are Caucasian, only their religion is different from many white Americans. But since we have freedom of religion in this country and whites, blacks and beige people essentially share the same DNA who is Trump to discriminate. His bigotry is built on ignorance. Homo Sapiens ALL came from Africa.
Electra (Smith)
That's not entirely true... homo sapien species are being found all over the planet up to 4 million years ago. it is a very old theory that all of what we consider to be human life came out of what is now africa...
Jeanette Colville (Cheyenne, Wyoming)
No mystery here. Trump learned well at the knee of his toxic racist slum-lord father who told Donny that he would never rent to "Blacks". And now we have a president of the United States of America who is one of the biggest racists in any leadership position on Planet Earth. We know that he's terrified of AIDS, having watched his corrupt NYC lawyer and mentor Roy Cohn waste away from the disease, which Trump somehow now connects with the Haitian culture. He publicly disdains all NON-Christian faith followers, and shows not one once of compassion for the great diverse Family of Man unless that person is a White Christian voter. Racism rules this man's path in life, and now that he has the great power of the presidency, his racism has become a reign of terror, nothing less.
Pompom (Pittsburgh)
Has anyone noticed how the most vicious Trump advisor on immigration policy is a Jew? How have they forgotten what Hitler did to them? How have they lost all empathy for all the refugees of the world? I have a Jewish friend who came to US as a child when her parents fled USSR, without passport. They basically came to US as illegal immigrant and applied for refugee status. Her father was a doctor who was not allowed to practice in USSR and they were not allowed to have passport in USSR. She is all grown up now and supports Trump. She speaks fluent Russian, still has relatives in Russia- meaning she is still a first generation American. Is it just about hating brown people then?
Rae (New Jersey)
Yes, it's noticeable. Self-hating Jews are not a new phenomenon. And your friend? probably her Russianness (and desire to be an American) predominates despite the fact her family was discriminated against in Russia. Often first-generation Jewish-Americans are more interested in the American part and may even seek to downplay the Jewish part (as some of my family fleeing pogroms in Russia did) depending on their experience.
Wherever Hugo (There, UR)
I think the NYT promotes the wrong message and the wrong solution to "immigration". The NYT seems to advocate an old-time circa 1930s world view....that America is the ONLY safe-haven from oppression and mean dictators....... In the 21st Century, this narrow world view,,,,,,is a mistake.....potentially a fatal mistake for American Society. Humans now have organized societies in every nook and crany of Planet Earth. In fact, many agree,,,,,the planet is overpopulated with humans. There is no escape from oppression, poverty, war, pestilence, whatever............ It is time to Stand and Fight. In other words, people of planet earth, it is time to shake off the subliminal oppression of "culture". This was often spoken of by scary, firebrands of communism during the Cold War with horrifying results......chinese children shooting their own parents, Vietnam sending lawyers, doctors to "re-education" camps. Russian Siberian work camps. .... But the un-escapable need is this.......if other "cultures' wish to enjoy the benefits of prosperity, life, pursuit of happiness...Its no longer possible to "immigrate" to America....we're full up.... Maybe its time for America to come to YOUR country. Not militarily.....but its time for the rest of the Planet to overthrow its oppressive cultures of "state religion" and "unilateral unchallenged power".....the american way has always, always been: 1. Pioneer spirit. 2. Rugged individualism 3. Yankee pragmatism 4. Judeo-Christian work ethic.
Electra (Smith)
Fantastic point.. and TRUE... But I had another idea.... why don't all Americans just emigrate to some other place and leave America to whoever wants to come. We could do complete 'culture and population exchanges'... All Americans for example could go to Nigeria and all Nigerians come to America... we ciould try it on a trial basis.
just Robert (North Carolina)
In his childish way of twisting reality to what he thinks it should be Trump has no use for procedures or laws. In his mind because he says immigration will stop it is automatically so. It is the way of the bullying autocrat and the way he acted on his 'reality' TV show and what his blinded backers want him to be, a bull in a China shop where all you get is broken China. There is a sound reason and method to government that needs to be honored or all you get is chaos which is what Trump seeks. After all it is easy to hide your sins when you can hide them behind a smoke screen of verbal confusion and bluster. Trump is a Putin want a be, but Trump can not even succeed at this.
June (Charleston)
Separating children from parents, Haitians "all have AIDS", Afghanis are from a terrorist haven - sounds just like "Christ" to me. This is clearly why the "Christian" evangelicals find The Conman so appealing. What next - shoot anyone who attempts to cross the border?
Ken (MT Vernon, NH)
The NYT seems somewhat the simpleton when examining our immigration problems and Trump's efforts. Trump ran partially on the fact that our immigration system is broken. It is a fact. Our immigration system is broken. Trump has several themes: 1: People should not be allowed to immigrate to this country illegally and outside of our established laws and processes 2: Our immigrant selection process should focus more on skills and benefits that immigrants bring rather than family ties - as most developed countries 3: People currently here illegally should expeditiously be removed, focusing on criminals as the biggest priority 4: Border security and additions to the wall are needed 5: e-Verify and preventing the hiring of illegal aliens must be in place Contrast Trump's position to the Democrats' position. The Democrats only seem to argue for allowing more people that come illegally to be allowed to stay. That is the entire extent of their immigration policy. Let illegals stay. The NYT niftily boils this all down to Trump is a racist. Do Americans believe Trump is focused correctly or do they agree with the Democrats and the NYT that attempting to fix our immigration system means you are a racist?
bob jones (Earth lunar colony)
Good, its long past time the government decided to do what was right, and ignored the completely clueless, out-of-touch mainstream media, some elements which are owned and controlled by the mexican billionaire carlos slim whose ill-gotten wealth is dependant upon the mass illegal alien flow into the US, and began enforcing its borders. THIS is why we voted for Trump, and democrats, no matter how much the despicable editorial board of this "publication" advocates for illegals and amnesty, will simply not support a democrat until they cease pushing for that lunatic platform. Illegals cost US taxpayers over $135 BILLION per year, an insane subsidy of the middle class - who pays most of the taxes - to the wealthy and corporate america, all so that businesses get cheap labor, and the democrats get voters. Imagine how many poor that could feed, vets it could medically support, infrastructure we could build and repair, like the NYC subway. Doesn't any liberal put two and two together to see how their support for this idiotic policy of subsidizing the 1%, corporate america, and the wealthy of south america dumping their mass uneducated poor on the US? This outrage, which has gone on for 50 years since the lunatic 1965 Immigration act was passed, will now be stopped, and hopefully, Trump and the federal government will fulfill its primary duty to protect american citizens before illegal aliens. Deport all of them now, and end the anchor baby nonsense immediately.
bcer (Vancouver)
Trump is such a miserable excuse for a human being. I bet every person on the planet who did not crawl out from under a rock and had some semblance of a functional family grew up with some theme or variation of: If you cannot say anything nice about someone don't say anything. All Haitians have AIDS...All Africans live in huts. This would be a surprise to many residents of Africa. Bet he thinks all Canadians live in igloos.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
I watched Trump's fake prayer session on TV and had a hardy laugh. I doubt that his prayers will be answered though since Christ was a good and generous man and would not accept Trump's immigration plan any more than I do. Then some ignorant Fox commentator actually said the FBI should be arrested since it is in "tatters." How stupid. The only one in tatters besides her is the fearful president himself. Running scared.
hillski999 (New Jersey)
Unless news outlets start listening their sources I am want to believe a word. Far too many stories are salacious and based upon what? Two people who say the same thing? That is not hard to find and does not make something true. I find it hard to believe that Trump would say things as such as he has been accused of in front of people who were not close to him. It then begs the question as to why someone close to him would reveal such info. My answer is they would not. So then who are these sources? my guess Obama holdovers how see an opportunity like everyone else on the Left to take a shot at Trump and they found a willing partner in the nY times which has sold its soul to the devil. Really distasteful journalism. They publish this gossip column worthy article above the fold and fail to cover any story that is counter to an obvious agenda . Yet every day I get a solicitation to renew my subscription. Maybe when you return to being newspaper and not an ideology driven semi news organization
HarmlessHemp (Planet Earth)
Not sure why the White House doesn't just own Trump's racism. Racists elected him, why not just come out of the closet once and for all?
Dominic Barzilla (Queens)
This man is s disgrace to our country. He should resign immediately
Red O. Greene (Albuquerque, NM, USA)
Merry Christmas, America. You've got a racist of the first order at the helm. If Mueller doesn't take this man out, you must cripple him in the voting booths next November. This imbecile is disgusting and dangerous.
Otto Gruendig (Miami)
So this presidents Christmas wish is that he would prefer all blacks had remained, and still remain, in their African huts! You can’t make this stuff up. Why is he still in office?
Srikanth (Washington, D.C.)
Can we just drop the euphemisms and use the word "racist" now -- for Trump, Miller and Kelly?
meloop (NYC)
Had Obama done anything to aid the Democrats in the last election, DT might not have won. I will not ever understand why an individual-even though a naive and ignorant one term Senator-after serving two terms as president, would pull away from subsequent presidential politics as though he were neutral, and allow such a disaster to transpire! Obama was aware that Russians probed and interfered in American electoral business. Our ignorance and weakness via the WWW and newspapers like the NYTimes, which ignored DT as if he were a nit, to investigate Mrs Clinton for crimes and illusory offenses in foreign countries during wartime. The election of Trump , like the election of Hitler in Germany in 1933, is a disaster an unprepared nation has brought on themselves. Obama was among those in a position to have done the most to prevent it but who did the least. 'Never did so many do so little to prevent an obvious and impending disaster.'
Joylynn (TN)
An article worthy of Newsweek - but better written. I was actually reading another article that quoted this one and hit the link thinking that their was no way the New York times would stoop to posting a gossipy, anonymous source, and he-said-she-said, piece. Unfortunately, I was wrong.
Galactus (Milky Way)
We have over 12 million illegal aliens currently living in the United States today. These criminals cost US taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars, commit crimes and drain our social welfare system of needed resourced for our own American citizens. Priority should be made to deporting all illegal aliens and reducing the total number of new immigrants into the United States.
charlie (NYC)
People who enter The US illegally should be deported. So sad that The NYTimes & other MSM have interchanged immigration and ILLEGAL immigration
M.R. Khan (Chicago)
There is no hiding it anymore, we have an unvarnished racist and white supremacist sitting in the Oval Office. His immigration policy designed by the loathsome Steven Miller is transparently meant to allow only immigrants like Trump's Scottish mother or German grandfather in or illegally working East European consorts with heavy accents and the supporters of the blood and soil nationalism of Israel's Likud Bloc in the case of Miller and his mentor David Horowitz. This sort of racism in American openly existed when the KKK was in power. We have gone back to that period and only a complete defeat of the GOP and its base will vindicate this country.
Former Republican (NC)
This year has been a historic failure. There is no wall. We still have terrorist attacks, and now we have more domestic terrorists than foreign born terrorists under Obama: Nazis that he calls "good people". Crime is now RISING after falling by a third under Obama. And it's no surprise when your leader sits on his golf cart insulting the police week after week. He ought to be fuming. He's failing all over the place. The only thing propping this guy up was the Obama economy. And now that the Obama tax code is gone, and Obamacare has been sabotaged, it's likely that the economy will start to falter too. And now gas prices are on the rise, a tax on everyday people that the press has been warned to ignore. But we all see it, no matter how hard Fox and CNN want to pretend otherwise.
Noodles123 (Monterey Ca)
No DACA...No illegals. No chain migration. No Work Visas. No more garbage.
Slr (Kansas City)
Then no Melania and her family. She overstayed her visa without consequences, married trump, and brought her family over.
R.E. (Cold Spring, NY)
This from the so-called POTUS who responded to the violence in Charlottesville that there were "good people" among the neo-Nazis, KKK, and other white supremacists. As someone who is better informed and more generous of spirit, I'm willing to concede that there may be a few "good people" among those who voted for this self-centered ignorant blowhard.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
Yes, the president is a fear monger who feeds on the uninformed and unread to promote his unholy agenda.
Mark (Florida)
Just heard that as an undocumented immigrant, Santa will not be allowed into the country. Sorry kids, but we must protect our borders and stop the massive influx of illegals.
Albert Edmud (Earth)
Mx. Several Participants dispute our esteemed jurinalists' basic premise, while only Mx. Two Officials support it. You do the math. Nevertheless, our esteemed jurinalists proceed with their own story about a meeting that took place six months ago. Sad, Times.
Evangelos (Brooklyn)
When you strip away the camouflage of grandiose ideologies and geopolitics, at the core of this issue — at the core of our entire Trumpian national crisis — is that we’ve somehow elected our crazy, mean old racist uncle to high office.
John (San Francisco, CA)
The Lying Donald J. Trump is a loser. Who can believe someone who lies all the time? Where are his eye witnesses who will support his claim that he doesn't know the women who have accused him of sexual misconduct? Where is his healthcare bill? Where are the manufacturing jobs that he has either saved or created? All the American public gets from lying Donald is one lie after another. There is financial collusion with the Russians and Trump's tax statements will show this to be true. His transition team did collude with the Russians and that will be shown to be true. Forget about Hillary's e-mails. Focus on the Trump team's e-mails. Forget about the irrelevant investigations and focus on just how the Russians interfered with the elections in the USA. Trump and his enablers have made a mockery of the USA and all that it stood for. Trump is, in my opinion. a disloyal citizen and a harm to the USA.
Chico (New Hampshire)
Trump's way is not only stoking fear, but insulting and denigrating any and all public career servants. Now, he's focused on FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and his wife, by smearing them on twitter, and I read where he is going to retire. I think it is a smart move of Andrew McCabe to retire, then he can feel free to speak his mind. I am retired after serving this country for 32 in the DOD, and there has never been a President that I have held in as low regard as this Moronic Buffoon, Donald Trump. I've never respected a President a little as I do Donald Trump, in fact I don't even think of this imbecile as actually being President, because he has no gravitas, no curiosity other watching Fox News or going to his country club and playing golf. Donald Trump's idea of reading a book, is getting out the Crayola crayons and opening up a coloring book. I wouldn't even call Trump a mental lightweight, because that is too much of a compliment, he doesn't even use a regular pen to sign his inane executive orders, he has to use a Big Black Magic Marker like a grammar school kid using those old-time fat no. 2 pencils we used in kindergarten in the 60's, because he can't write properly. Donald Trump is the most inarticulate and dimmest of bulbs to ever sit in the Oval Office, even young grammar school kids in remedial reading classes have better reading skills than this moron. I just hope Trump has not dumbed down the Presidency and the country beyond repair.
Randy (Washington State)
What HYPOCRISY! Trump hires foreign workers for Mar-a-Lago.
Joe From Boston (Massachusetts)
"Friends were calling to say he looked like a fool, Mr. Trump said." Nah, he does not LOOK LIKE a fool, he is the EMBODIMENT of a fool. The real thing, top to bottom. Believe me. BIGLY.
Mahesh (Florida)
Dude. The man is saying what a fair proportion of European Americans think & express among their flock. I would estimate 30-40 % ! The dye was cast for #40 years ago when we stood up to racism, bigotry & hate with eyes wide shut. I would like to hear why these European Americans feel this land belongs to them alone & the rest should be subjugated. That is why they cling to their guns & I should do the same with my Glok. Peace out.
Doyle G. Graham (North Carolina)
"president" trump is seen as a fool because he is one, a dangerous one. In less than a year he has done tremendous damage to our country and to its standing in the world. We must RESIST him at every turn, every day, loudly.
Bruce Savin (Montecito)
America produced this president. It's America's responsibility to get rid of him before he destroys everything sacred on this planet.
Joseph Tierno (Melbourne Beach, F l)
Trying to make sense out of anything this deranged mind concocts is folly. He doesn't know from one conversation to the next what it is he believes and if you tell what he said yesterday, he lies about it. Unless and until the idiotic but kissers who call themselves Republicans, wake up to this fact, he will rage on and on and on, bouncing from pillar to post with is neurotic antics about this and that. He is unhinged, ignorant and beyond redemption, no matter how many conversations he has in elevators. What we need is a wall around the White House to keep him out of the rest of the country.
Frederick Williams (San Francisco CA)
This is an excellent, and (to me) incredibly disturbing article. My impression can be summed up easily. Trump is a venal racist. And he was elected by the solid, unwavering support of the one-third of the country who are also venal racists. That is his base. The rest of his margin of victory (bearing in mind that he lost the popular vote by 3 million--MILLION--votes) came from establishment Republicans, who were simply voting for their party's nominee. But the core of his support--like the core of his shriveled, pathetic soul--is utterly racist. That's who he is. And that's why he's President, unfortunately.
Michigander (Michigan)
"Mr. Trump entered office with an agenda of symbolic but incompletely thought-out goals, the product not of rigorous policy debate but of emotionally charged personal interactions and an instinct for tapping into the nativist views of white working-class Americans." I don't think Trump has an "instinct" for tapping into nativist view of white working-class Americans . . . I think he is a just another ignorant and racist white man. He really believes what he says along with, unfortunately, a large but not dominate segment of our population.
Kathrine (Austin)
I'd prefer to keep all the Nigerians and Haitians and deport the entire Trump family. America would be better for it.
David Macauley (Philadelphia)
Trump is public enemy #1. The greatest and gravest danger to US history. I hope the press and the American people stop dancing around this fact. Wake up people or you and your liberties will perish all too soon. This man is a monster.
Nick Metrowsky (Longmont CO)
Trump is a frustrated autocrat, just like Nero was a frustrated autocrat. Like, Nero, Trump lays blame for his empire's ills on a particular group of people. For Nero, it was Christians, for Trump it is anyone who comes from south of the border. Nero has Rome burnt, in oder to blame it on the Christians. Trump is burning America (the middle and working class), and to blame e it on Mexico and NAFTA. With passage of so called "tax reform", he has waged war on the middle and working class. As well as NAFTA, illegal immigrants and Mexico. He is going to blame the failure of "trickle down" economics, on the failure of ridding this country of illegal immigrants, not having a border wall, and that NAFTA is "unfair". He is going to punish the middle and working class, so they help drive out a particular group of people; in this case Hispanics. Similar, to what Nero did with Christians, and Hitler did with Jews. The United States is slowly rotting from within, like Rome did, before it fell to the so called "barbarians". The UN vote this week on Trump's Jerusalem policy, shows the United States is part of the problem, and no longer leader of the free world. Trump's response would be that of current dictators like Putin and Erdogan. One has to wonder if now a wall is to keep Americans in, and not immigrants out. This raises the question. With Trump in charge, why would any one want to come here? Also, Canada reported a record number of requests to immigrate from the US to Canada.
Paul Abrahams (Deerfield, Massachusetts)
With all his railing against Muslims, it's noteworthy that he has not had a harsh word to say about Saudi Arabia, which is of course where the 9/11 hijackers mostly came from.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
I think Trump likes this new Saudi prince who incarcerates others for corruption while buying himself $500 million palaces.
N D B (USA)
I have just one question: would you support a very liberal immigration policy? Would you support a 25% increase in US population in 5 years? would ytou support a 50% increase in 10 years? This can happen easily if the rules are modified just a wee bit. would you support a US with whites population being less than 30%? I am not a white person, but be honest. Is that good for the US? Put aside your standard liberal bias and think. Put aside NY Times agenda and think. Put aside your "racism" rhetoric and think. Maybe you dont mind, but think without bias. Trump is obviously paranoid but there are always two extremes.
Alan White (Toronto)
Your questions are good (except the one about the fraction of the population that should be white). I think that this is the conversation that the US should be having. What immigration policy do we want and why. And let it be a fact based conversation.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
Further growth of the world population is almost certain to ruin the whole Earth.
E pluribus unum (America)
The original inhabitants of this country were brown people. We stole it from them. Now they’re the most impoverished people in the country, living in conditions that rival the worst in developing nations. How can you say these things? And still look at yourself in the mirror?
Dave Martin (Nashville, TN)
So sad, the country nativist movement still exists. The only natives I view are people who have fully integrated as real Americans. Some American’s think they just came over on the boater when they say am Irish, Mexican, ltalian, Russian .......whatever. When confronted with these folks I query , OH! You must speak Gaelic, Spanish, , Italian or Russian, When the response is no I only speak American, I respond “ Great you must be a real American, Perhaps , with the emerging generation , interracial marriages, ambivalence to religion, and a new generation of politicians we all might be calling each other “Americans”
Charles (Clifton, NJ)
“We have taken a giant steamliner barreling full speed,” Mr. Miller said in a recent interview. “Slowed it, stopped it, begun to turn it around and started sailing in the other direction.” We have hit an iceberg.
Mike (Little Falls, NY)
He’s angered by the influx of immigrants? Odd for a guy who hires nothing but immigrants to work at his resorts.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
"Me First!" is the only logical consistency tying Trump together.
Monica (New York City)
And a man whose mother and two out of three wives came here from elsewhere!
JWMathews (Sarasota, FL)
Not to mention he married two of them.
Francis (Florida)
Keep it up Mr President. Let white America and the world see you make America great again. Keep talking that stuff. As a black man in his seventies, I enjoy it. I also know that you are as likely to change as I am. I look forward to turning on my TV each morning and listen to people trying to explain irrationality. Even your racist support are looking to fall on their swords while praising you.
Dorian's Truth (NY. NY)
Make America hate again. He has succeeded!
MC (USA)
I have a couple of questions....how come Saudi Arabia is not on his list? How many Saudis were responsible for the worst attack on America on 9/11?
Brett Olsen (California)
Because Saudi Arabia wasn't on the Obama administration list they used to craft the ban. This was stated in the article...?
Karn Griffen (Riverside, CA)
Let's face it we elected a bigot and a criminal. It's hard to say which is worse.
CAS (Hartford )
The country is being run by a child - a spoiled, dim, lazy child, surrounded by (mostly) adults agreeing with his every random decree in a frantic effort to keep his tantrums out of the public eye. Who would ever have believed that the president of the United States would require helicopter parents?
Steve Bolger (New York City)
Who would have expected a shortsighted collection of nihilistic plutocrats to turn public discourse into a character assassination contest here?
Dorothy Darling (New York)
Surely everyone knows at this point Trump is a racist. Kids, comments in the NYT are fine but where’s your call to senators? 202 224-3121 and you can reach any senators office. Small S intended for all GOP senators. The country is too demoralized and fragmented. Trump needs to go. Pray for impeachment. God please help America.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
The US desperately needs to get over its ludicrous pretensions to be a divine creation. Help from God will never happen.
Marj R. (Somewhere in the North East)
It is ironical that 2of 3 of Trump's wives are immigrants...and the current one has questionable immigration status with regard to work permits, etc. But wait...they are both white !!
Conley pettimore (The tight spot)
Not sure if it is "ironical", but the previous president looked the other way while his black illegal immigrant relatives were allowed to remain in the country even though some had criminal convictions. That argument stinks does it not. So stop using it.
justthefactsma'am (USS)
I taught at an Orthodox Jewish school. When I asked them why they disliked Muslims, they said that's what their parents taught them. Fred Trump was a virulent racist. It obviously filtered to his son, who has unleashed a level of public hate not seen in this country since Jim Crow days.
josef012 (new york, new york)
Even if all this were made up (and I trust the NYT that it’s not) it’s easy to believe that Trump said all this... and that’s a problem
Reina de Laz (Oklahoma City)
If President Trump wants to score a big hit with the anti-immigrant crowd, he can do so very easily and quickly. All he has to do is enforce all the deportation orders currently in place against all incarcerated foreign nationals. Thousands of men and women in our prisons are ready for ICE to put them on a bus to the nearest port so they can stop costing the taxpayers billions of dollars a year getting more meals and better access to healthcare than millions of working Americans have on a daily basis. Score with the Anti-Castro crowd by beginning with a dump of Marielito drug lords.
Hank (NY)
"They all have AIDS" or "go back to their huts" for any other president, any other time in history, is a front page story, dominating the news cycle. NYT, put this story front and center instead of a buried grumble. Do not be complicit with the ever lowering bar. Cover this man the way a normal president needs to be covered.
JDG (West Chester, PA)
Being the NYT, I am sure you did thorough home work to make sure he actually did say those comments, rather than just believe "one person who attended the meeting". After all they rather serious accusations.
nursemom1 (bethlehem Pa.)
Interesting that some who attended that meeting "Don't recall" Trump usingt hose words/phrases. Those who do have a clear recollection of the event state (and at the time stated to others) that the quote is clear and accurate. Given Trump's penchant for lies , deception and racist and hateful remarks, who is the most logical source to believe?. How pathetic has this White house become to now have to deny this?
Ronald Tee Johnson (Blue Ridge Mountains, NC)
Trump is like the grandfather at family Christmas dinner suddenly denouncing family members who were not born in America or look like they weren't born here. He's hateful and mentally unstable and has been ever since he inherited the money while in his twenties.
JNan (Arlington, VA)
This story just confirms what's been clear for a long time: Trump is a stone-cold racist, as are some of his staff--most certainly Stephen Miller. They're all a disgrace to the nation.
sbmd (florida)
He really doesn't do much more than rant and rave, play golf, eat, boast, and watch TV. If he looks like a fool it's because he acts like one.
Eleanor (Augusta, Maine)
Mr. Trump is first a racist and that colors his attitude toward any one not lily white. Beyond that the criteria will be if the immigrant is of use to the Trump business world.
B. Ligon (Greeley, Colorado)
I'm sure, when Mr. Trump is talking about immigrants and how he wants to stop them from coming to this country, he is talking about moslems, and people of color. After all, two of his three wives are immigrants, (white immigrants), so they are welcome if they've white, he will even marry them.
Dr. Reality (Morristown, NJ)
America under Trump, is no longer a third world banana republic run by a lawless class of elites who use government power (Justice Dept., FBI, IRS) to protect their own kind and to harass and persecute political opposition. A rogue Secy of State who disregards the law and accepts bribes disguised as contributions to her "foundation" for selling off national resources. A rogue president who facilitates open borders and then encourages illegal immigrants to vote Democrat in American elections. The most disgraceful administration in history.
Brett Olsen (California)
Don't forget, "I'll be more flexible after the election." Obama, to Putin shortly before the 2012 election.
bao si (nyc)
"A rogue president who facilitates open borders and then encourages illegal immigrants to vote Democrat in American elections." Please provide proof that's not from Breitbart or Fox News or their ilk. Just because you say it doesn't make it true, unlike what Trump believes (or the ambassador to the Netherlands, who was caught lying about lying).
Sue (Vancouver, BC)
I feel dirty just reading his remarks about AIDS and huts, and I'm not even American.
Anur Darb (Houston)
""Racist, erratic and unpredictable, brutal, inept, bellicose, irrational, ridiculous, and militaristic"--Sounds familiar? These are words of U.S. Ambassador Thomas Patrick Melady describing Ugandan government under Idi Amin. We are in real good company.
E Campbell (Southeastern PA)
NO idea why he feels so compelled to deliver on this so-called "campaign promise" when he has broken so many others. The swampiest WH in history with tax cuts for the rich and now a threat to SS and Medicare. Can it be that this is what his base is most concerned about? I doubt it.
socal60 (california)
Flip the house and senate in 2018. Only when the compromised and complicit McConnell and Ryan regimes are out of control can we impeach and expel this nut.
Oma (Lauf, Germany)
Trump is without a doubt the most dangerous President the USA has ever had, and however short or long his tenure, it will take generations to undo what this maniac has done in less than one year.
Meg (Troy, Ohio)
Campaign pledges to his base are all that matter. He is not president of the United States; he is president of his base. When are we going to get this? He doesn't care about 67% of us--it is only his white, ignorant, fox-loving base that matters. The rest of us do no exist for the Trump Administration.
LibertyLover (California)
He is a complete disgrace to this nation. He has all the class of a John Gotti and the deplorable personality and conscience to match. He is an imminent threat to the national security of this fair nation. He should resign.
skg (ny)
After Trump gets impeached, Stephen Miller should be arrested for treason.
Edward (Phila., PA)
If I was a low life, uneducated, morally compromised, suspected sexual predator, tax evading scoundrel, in order to deflect attention from my immense personal failures, I would repeatedly attack everyone in sight. Reasonable tactics from such an individual; tactics with a fair chance of success.
Corazon (CT)
He wants to establish an absolute dictatorship.
Firew (Jersey City)
Hello Brothers and Sisters, In this tough economic situation to work or to study in the US is very hard. According to the Department of Labor (DoL), about 7 Million Americans are currently unemployed however, this figure is much lower than the 93 million Trump once said to the TV show Sarah Palin TV show. Another 11 million illegal immigrants also need a job. It is obvious to see hundreds and hundreds of people queuing to apply for a single job in America. Right now to get a job is like to win a power ball in this country. If I couldn't work, study or live in the United States peacefully why they brought me here in the first place? I have had a university Degree in Accounting and have 5 years experience while they said; I 'won' a diversity visa lottery program in my native, Ethiopia in 2010. I left everything there and I came to here with American dream but the challenges what I faced in here are not what their FAKE NEWS (Propaganda) has circulated in Ethiopia and elsewhere in Africa. As I tried to explained above, in this tough economic and social crisis, the US is inviting millions with a huge propaganda campaign circulating across Africa to register young Africans into so called Diversity Visa lottery Program starting from October. They plan to bring another 50,000 ‘winners’’; I should rather say, victims, starting from May 2018. This is totally different than what Trump often says on media about immigrants. SHAME ON YOU MR. PRESIDENT.
Brett Olsen (California)
Blatant lie. I got a job in one day from spamming resumes and applications. There's lots of jobs available; you just think you are too good for them.
Margo (Atlanta)
If you're not happy you can leave. No problem.
Richard Williams MD (Davis, Ca)
How long will the good people of the United States have to endure the vile racist (and refractory liar, sociopath, ignoramus, and sex offender) who is Donald Trump as our face and voice to the world? He would already have been forced from office had the Republican Party not made the craven and cynical calculation that it was time to betray America and all she stands for. Once the stain of Trumpism has been expunged the GOP must be held accountable. To my mind it has forfeited any right of future participation in our democracy and Republic.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
To top it all off, these fools enabled Trump because they regarded him as a miracle.
Nate Scarborough (Polo Grounds)
"Why is this person still President?" -- Me, today, for about the 340th time this year.
Bad Man (Out West)
The fewer ILLEGAL people we have in the USA the better. Cut the sad sack stories about people that have no legal basis to be here. And start screening everyone coming into the USA for diseases like TB, Whooping Cough, AIDS/HIV and German Measles. It's way overdue.
Margo (Atlanta)
There actually is health screening in place.
CNYorker (Central New York)
Trump and everyone in his family have followed the family tradition of lying, scamming and refusing to serve in the military. He's spent most of his adult life as a narcissistic wastrel. From all accounts, he was a bully as a child and had a hatred of his father. He apparently could not work out his relationship with his mother ... who came from a family that lived in a croft. His adult business life has been an admixture of bankruptcies, working with mobsters, bluster and getting money from unsavory sources. He hates others and uses xenophobia to hide the shame of the above. I could go on but it is not a pretty picture. My grandfather used to say to me as a child in the early 1950s that Americans were too stupid to run an empire. He speculated that within my lifetime -- Pax Americana would end at the hands of a complete fool. I never considered that one day -- my mother's immigrant father would one day be correct. Sad.
Hey Joe (Northern CA)
Every once in a while I’m convinced all Trump wants is to see the world burn, even if he burns with it. He IS that nuts.
William Rodham (Hope)
Well the NYT has reliably delivered their holiday present to liberals bashing trump as a racist using second and third hand anonymous sources from a meeting held over six months ago. Interestingly the NYT didn’t publish these lies then. Rather much like nbc with the access Hollywood tape the NYT has held them waiting for the right moment, just prior to the upcoming immigration debate. Robots and other technology means developed countries no longer need a vast uneducated poor labor pool. Continuing to allow unskilled and uneducated immigrants flood our country is insane. Chain migration is insane. Lottery visa are insane. We simply need a merit based system that will add valuable talent to our country. Trump once again is correct on this issue.
DaDa (Chicago)
What's frustrating is the way the NY Times keeps reporting on Trump as if he's a normal politician, whose words should be analyzed for subtext or intent. When will reporters face the reality that there's' a deranged, and willfully ignorant blowhard in the White House?-- and start reporting on him as such instead of always giving him so much grace?
Turgut Dincer (Chicago)
This deportation policy is a historical blunder which makes mockery of our values and of our foundation, comparable to the deportation of Jews from Spain six centuries ago by its Catholic kings. Prevention of illegal immigration is lawful, but deportation of those who came here because of our neglect is inhuman.
SMB (Savannah)
I've also been thinking about the Inquisition lately. When there is an official position of enormous cruelty, punishing people because they follow another faith, and terrorizing the rest, this is a crime against humanity. It feels these days that all people of color, most women, the LGBT community, the sick and the disabled, the poor, both those already in America and those trying to visit or immigrate, are all subject to this type of torture continuously, whether it is in terms of official policies or the barrage of bigotry now out in the open. Take a knee, peacefully protest, go to a clinic, apply for a visa to visit your family, flee a dangerous situation, and all kinds of innocent activities suddenly become subject to attacks.
[email protected] (Cumberland, MD)
Why is it inhuman to deport people who have broken the law by living and working in the US when they have no legal right to be here? Deporting these people is called enforcing our immigration laws. I don't understand why you have a problem with that. After all we are a nation of laws and those who break our laws must be punished.
nilootero (Pacific Palisades)
An immigrant, Rupert Murdoch, got him elected. Unfortunately.
Jeanette Smith (Texas)
He is and has been despicable and insulting to everyone except Vlad Putin and his dictator-model Erdoğan. Trump does nothing but lie, lie, lie, and insult and degrade people and our ally nations. For these things alone he should be banished. More so, he should be impeached as incompetent and breaking his oath of office! The words and lies are untenable and America is becoming a pariah around the world because of Trump.
SMB (Savannah)
Great photo. A gilded historical frame, flags, and the back of Trump's head. No face, no expression. There is a dangerous lack of humanity in the administration's actions and words. When you dehumanize people, atrocities happen. Separating innocent children from their families whether at the border or with Dreamers is blood guilt, a savage concept employed by cruel societies. Condemning people for their religion, their race, their sexual identities or their nationality is another tactic of despots. Trump's racism and bigotry are deeply rooted. His father was once arrested for violence at a KKK rally. He praised white supremacists directly after they killed a protestor. Trump's years-long rabid birther lie combined attacks on the first black president's race, religion and national origin. It was a prophecy of what was to come. Trump cannot be defended as a working class white man who is afraid his job will be lost to a minority. His bigotry is based on a deep core of racism. But why do Republicans continue to support him? Why do White House officials always lie for him? This is a cult of madness and hatred dragging America into an abyss.
Const (NY)
I'm not a Trump fan, but I feel like the NYT's has become the more intellectual version of Fox. If this story was not based on anonymous sources, it would be newsworthy. In this case, no one is speaking on the record so it is unworthy of a newspaper I once admired.
Mister Ed (Maine)
No matter what we intellectual elites think about the benefits of globalization and immigration, they are a visceral negative for a significant number of Americans and constitute a clear majority of Americans as well as perhaps even a majority of American voters. Trump instinctively "feels" this resentment and thinks it is his most successful drum to beat. We progressives have got to find a better message and to accept the fact that an "open-borders" strategy will keep progressives out of power for a very long time. Although we sincerely think the country is better off in the long run for its increasing diversity, we have not convinced the rest of the country. The immigration advocates need to back off from their current absolutist positions and work to bring the rest of the country around. Even those advocates who earn their living by promoting open borders need to understand they are poisoning the well in the near term by adhering to absolutist positions.
Hector (Bellflower)
The idea of open borders is good, but in reality we are so crowded here in LA County with immigrants that we can't move on our roads, housing is too expensive, schools are usually bad and full, jails are full, homeless camps are exploding, and most kids have poor job prospects.
Albert Edmud (Earth)
What is an intellectual elite? Is that one of those clubs that the alt-left dreamed up to stoke their egos? Can anyone join, or is it an example of inclusion and diversity that is based on exclusion and homogeneity? You are right about one thing though, Mister Ed. Progressives are masters at poisoning wells. You would think that a bunch of self-proclaimed Big Thinkers could figure out how to bamboozle the unwashed masses.
Brett Olsen (California)
You can't have both open borders and a socialized state; pick one or the other.
Apple Jack (Oregon Cascades)
Don't kid yourselves. Virtually all of these Republican plutocrats & their enablers use immigrants, undocumented & otherwise, in their homes & enterprises. A quiet & discreet illegal is a very profitable employee indeed, in the home or on the farm. Witness the discrepancy between private & public response by the president on this & other issues. Where have we heard of this before? Overseas in a dark & violent bygone era that speaks to the present? Still we need scrutinize immigration in this age of terrorism, not use it for nefarious "populist" elective purposes.
Brett Olsen (California)
I saw a lot more profiting off illegals in California, the liberal state, than I did in Idaho or Montana, conservative states.
Apple Jack (Oregon Cascades)
Lots of wealthy Republicans & Libertarians in Calif., BO. Lots of people too. Remember the Terminator?
OldEngineer (SE Michigan)
I favor immigration on the part of individuals who who can support themselves, contribute to society and the economy, and are willing to assimilate peacefully. Our current system does not remotely assure that outcome. Unrestricted entry by dependant persons unwilling or unable to help is national suicide.
Syliva (Pacific Northwest)
I think you would be surprised by the percentage of immigrants who fit the criteria you favor. I and everyone I know who has worked with immigrants - in landscaping, childcare and in education - has commented on how much harder they are willing to work than the Americans along side of them. And how much less they complain.
PS1 (NYC)
My friend a Hondiran gardner/laborer supports himself, contributes to society and the economy, and is willing to assimilate peacefully. Just like the waves & generations of uneducated, hard-working immigrants who preceded him, including Jews, Italians and Irish who were hated, beaten and banned. They helped build this country, their children served in the military and police and kept us safe. And here comes this draft-dodger, wannabe tyrant who doesn't pay taxes, rousing the rabble with demagoguery, telling the masses that immigrants are ripping them off. Well guess what middle America: he just ripped you off to the tune of $1.5 trillion, some of which goes straight into his pocket. And you still approve and applaud. Wow.
Gary (Florida)
I like to read many of the comments given prior to making my own. I stopped after a few hundred as they all seemed from the same side of the fence. Around 50 years ago our immigration policy changed from merit based with around 250,000 immigrants a year to the one that exists today with most being low skilled with minimal education. Studies have shown that this has resulted in lower earnings for less skilled Americans to the tune of $300 billion a year and LEGAL immigrants consuming another $300 billion in social costs. Other studies have shown that up to 70% of these immigrants never achieve a working knowledge in the English language. There are a few minimums that should be expected if you are going to live in a country and speaking the native language is one of them. They say that around 90 million working age Americans are not in the work force so it begs the question why we would want more people moving here especially if they are not going to assimilate into our society and end up forming their own enclaves with their language and customs. There is a recent study showing that 20% of the murders, and close to 50% of other felonies, and 72% of the drug related prisoners are immigrants currently in our prisons. Is that what we want on our streets until they get caught or the risk that represents to other people living in our country both citizens and legal immigrants.
Paul King (USA)
Cite your "studies." All your numbers are far fetched. It's impossible that immigrants, who make up a tiny fraction of our total population, could be the ones primarily in prison. It just defies logic. If one is capable of logic. 90 million Americans not in workforce. Kids and retired people. The unemployment rate is 4.1%. That's incredibly low. Any other Fox fantasies you wanna share?
SLM (Charleston, SC)
Those numbers are simply not true, none of them. Many young Americans may be underemployed, but as a country, we are nearly fully employed. 90 million would be more than a fifth of the total US population, making it simply implausible. “Working age” also includes all those in college and professional school, stay-at-home parents, and early retirees. The vast majority of people in the US prison system are there for nonviolent offenses, over 95%. With an incarceration rate of 1 in 100 people in the country, there simply are not enough immigrants to constitute the prison population you’ve described.
Jake (The Hinterlands)
Donald Trump won't be in office beyond the next three to seven years. But the challenge of managing emigration to America will continue for decades to come. Trump was elected, in part, because of the failure of politicians to deal with illegal immigration long before he took office. I welcome legal immigrants. America needs sound, humane and workable immigration policies. It's hard work but it needs to be done.
Ann (Chicago)
I wish that you had removed the anonymous sourced meeting from the top of this article. This is a great examination of objective evidence of all that has transpired in the past year but it will be overshadowed by the report of a meeting sourced by anonymous sources. Knowing that Trump said disparaging things about various immigrant groups is not news and you have given the Right to continue to obfuscate by focusing on "fake news" . If you had laid out the scope and impact of changes to immigration policy and the work arounds the bureaucracy it would have been a much more powerful article that is not personal.
qcell (honolulu)
We are a family of color. My daughter is in High School in CA and she has to compete with illegal immigrants for coveted spots in colleges and for financial aid. My son who graduated UC Berkeley cannot get a job in tech because illegal immigrants are preferred by tech companies. I have fought for our Nation in the military but federal budgets are diverted to help illegal immigrants. Try to tell me that illegal immigration does not have an adverse effect on the hard working Citizens of our Nation.
D. Knight (Canada)
What is it about a comparatively small group of immigrants with next to nothing that can terrify a nation of over 350,000,000? One can only suspect that the 350,000,000 must not have much faith in their nation’s ability to absorb and integrate new people. In the words of the man himself, sad.
Ronny (Dublin, CA)
The Republican ideology of low taxes and small government only benefits a small handful of the American people. The only way they can get to a majority of votes is by using fear and loathing campaigns to play on the prejudices and anxieties of the people their policies most harm. American people need to stand up against fear and loathing and stand for our American values of equality and opportunity for all.
Ben (Minneapolis)
During elections, Trump spoke against illegal immigration. But now he is against all immigration. NYT should do an article on this issue. During election he said, we should staple Green card to the passport of international students. On the ground reality is Trump administration has made life tough for these graduates. USCIS announced last week that they will change rules for "fraud and abuse" of OPT. Optional practical training (OPT) is nothing but giving students an opportunity to work in the US prior to returning home. It is almost like an entitlement after 4 years of college, paying tuition fees almost double of what US students pay. Trump administration will harm the international student market leading to higher tuition fees for US students. Likewise, new road blocks have been created by the Trump administration for permanent resident applications. Processing times have been increased and routinely applications are held up by asking for more evidence. His motive is to kill both legal and illegal immigration without saying so.
Brett Olsen (California)
A driving force of high tuition fees is endless government student loans making consumers insensitive to cost and resulting in no reduction in enrollment as tuition increases, resulting in... you guess d it, more tuition increases. Not to mention all the bloated administrators, especially now that we are adding diversity and social justice departments to everything. We can't afford enough teachers and lab hours are cut, but it's ok, we're putting up gender neutral signs on the bathrooms!
Airborne (Philadelphia, Pa.)
But, in general, it is not racist to want to limit immigration. How many citizens know the population of our country? it is well over 300 million--far too many, especially since much of the population growth of the still beautiful western states comes from newcomers. Notice i said limit--not end immigration to preserve the specialness of the country--and the wide open spaces.
Djt (Norcsl)
America can survive without immigrants, or at least admitting only highly skilled immigrants that won't be an economic burden. But America can't survive the current GOP. The current GOP wins because its stance on immigration is more popular. Democrats, you need to get rid of your open borders label, run on enforcement of the law, and boot the GOP from power. It's self preservation at this point.
Kiwi Kid (SoHem)
The United States of America was founded, survived, and thrived due to the shared values and life experiences of those who entered this country, and might I say, legally or illegally. This current president thinks that removing or otherwise restraining foreign people from living in the United States will make our country safer and stronger. How can one person, who has shown his ineptitude and lack of mental aptitude on so many issues, be allowed to pretend that this United States of America has, via an election, become his personal property with which he can do whatever he pleases? It amazes me that his co-elected representatives can stand by idly, watching, smirking, applauding, and otherwise supporting this president and his ignorance-based behavior. It is written that this president has an agenda. He has no agenda. He is incapable of having an agenda. Agendas demand forethought, review, and discussion before implementation. He blabbers because that's all he can do. The bulb at the top of the national Christmas tree is far brighter than this president who threw the switch to turn it on. He has become an overworn blight on this country, both nationally and internationally. Something needs to happen before this president succeeds in spoiling this nation for decades to come.
su (ny)
I watched "post" Movie. I deeply consider that I believe that still, the Nixon will be way, way better President than Trump in every single issue. We are one year in and he literally stripped us naked what we are proud of.
SLM (Charleston, SC)
Nixon was many terrible things, but he had enough respect for the intelligence of the American people to at least creat some well-constructed lies. He had enough dignity to resign rather than force the hand of Congress when it became clear that his impeachment was imminent. Trump has never even attempted to create an alternative scenario that makes sense. He will have to be removed, kicking and screaming, as he tears down the institutions of this democracy.
Patrick (NYC)
I strongly believe not only that Trump said this stuff, but that the leaks (about which were issued many firm denials, wink wink) were intentional. Trump is telegraphing to his deplorable base that he speaks their language.
Skip Conrad (Santa Clara, CA)
We are the 3rd most populous nation on the planet, after China and India, yet we import more foreign settlers than any other nation. What's wrong with this picture? Time for other nations to step up.
RLW (Chicago)
Donald J. Trump, all by himself makes a mockery of America. He represents all that is wrong with America today and his supporters will destroy what America could have become in the 21st Century. We are witnessing the decline of all that was good about American values. 2016 will go down in history as the beginning of the end of the American Democracy. The world became a less hospitable place the day Trump was born. SAD! doesn't begin to described the tragedy of the Trump presidency.
Ronny (Dublin, CA)
The Trump economy will NEVER reach 3% GDP growth without a huge influx of immigrants. Trump should be very happy some people still want to come to America in spite of him being our POTUS.
Julie (West Reading, PA)
As nasty as these comments are, they are providing diversion and distraction from what is really going on: the stripping of everything that will protect us from fascism completely taking hold in our country. The attrition at State, the EPA, and now the FBI has or will result in these organizations not being able to do their jobs. Maybe there has been no "Reichstag fire" as yet, but all of these things may have the same effect. The list of banned words sent chills all through me. Those are the words we really need to be attending to.
Michael Gallagher (Cortland, NY)
Until this story is corroborated by other sources, I won't accept this meeting actually happened. That it sounds like what one would expect from Trump doesn't make it any more credible. That said, he ran the most racist and xenophobic presidential campaign I think anyone has ever seen. His first campaign ad made illegal immigrants and non-white Muslims seem to be THE threats to the United States. And although he lost the popular vote by almost three million, more than 60 million people, many of them white, voted for him; and in the months since the election, his name has been used as a racial slur and white supremacist groups have gained members. If the world survives the Trump administration, it will be one of the worst stains on our history. And the way he coaxed the racist and xenophobic impulses of too many people and used them for political gain, regardless of the damage to our country, will be one of the reasons why.
Peter Piper (N.Y. State)
The people who should have the greatest say over immigration to this country are the native Americans. Perhaps we should start by asking them if they agree with the policy of admitting nearly one million new people every year.
Jd (Western MA)
This administration is waging war on everything Christmas stands for while blaming others for doing so.
S.L. (Briarcliff Manor, NY)
Is the toddler throwing another temper tantrum?
Bongo (NY Metro)
As usual, Trump has his facts wrong. The incidence of AIDS in Haiti is 2% of the population. However, there are countries where his claim is closer to the truth. SAD ! Swaziland 27.20% Lesotho 25.00% Botswana 21.90%
Kristen (TC)
Christmas reality show special on firing of the immigrants. Too bad we can't change the channel until November 20 or 24.
nogard (CA)
Thank God that this country finally has a president who is fulfilling his promises and making the welfare of this country and it's legal citizens his number one priority, just as it should be. He has had a fantastic first year in spite of the insane opposition and denials of the left and rinos, batting aside their phony charges of collusion and seditious attempts to remove him from the presidency. Thankfully, he will even drain the swamp from the compromised and corrupted FBI admin, doing so with their own words concerning their true collusion and bias!
Carol lee (Minnesota)
I am happy that Mueller got Flynn, Manafort and the Greek guy, and hopefully is moving on to Don Jr, Jared, and Rudy Guiliani.
Ugly Times (New York)
I'm calling it. There is officially a complete disconnect between the ability to run for office and the ability to govern. There is no common sense campaign debate about balancing concerns between the possible criminality and job competition associated with immigration and the economic benefits we get from immigration. There is only, "the Mexicans are sending us rapists." There is no common sense campaign debate about balancing the economic cost of environmental regulation and the health/climate consequences of abandoning regulation. There is only, "climate change is hoax invented by the Chinese." There is no constructive fact-based debate at all. There is only wild unsubstantiated factual assertions and the flippant dismissal of reporting based on viable sources as FAKE NEWS. Interestingly, the advent of social media has been the death knell of the market place of ideas as a foundation of democracy. Although people complain about main stream media, public opinions and factual assertions used to go through an editing and verification process by educated experts with accompanying legitimacy. No more. The result is an incompetent, ignorant, bigoted, dysfunctional reality show host, who was capable of successfully campaigning for the highest office in the land, stomping around the oval office between lies and hypocritical twitter bursts wondering why it's a problem to exclude and remove from this country more people with the wrong kind of pigmentation.
MGM (New York, N.Y.)
He and that punk Stephen Miller are quite the pair. There's really something mentally wrong with both of them.
Wherever Hugo (There, UR)
Most college educated americans share the world view of the 9th District Court of the United States of America. That equates to roughly only 25% of America...a 25% that is largely blessed(ie....lucky) to enjoy the life, the liberty, the pursuit of happiness that our AMerican Society promises. The rest of America, this narrow segment beleives, would best be served if they just kept quiet and did what the Intelligencia told them to do....... Sadly, this Intelligencia, itself, was completely indoctrinated with a world view that was once very, very successful....but is now proving to be completely out of sync with reality. The upper 25% of society, those that have power, money, education still see America as a Refuge.....WW2 era.....a safe haven from the Dictators of the world. They are trained to fervently believe that every human harbors a desire to "become american". In the Post WW2 era, we were all taught to believe that it was a g-d given, unalienable right to immigrate to America thru Ellis Island and cling to Old World belief systems. We taught ourselves half-truths, and misconceptions of Supreme Court Rulings about "dual-citizenship" and "anchor babies". There is little objective analysis....only vengeful enforcement of one opinion or another based on who has the most POWER at the moment. ...
Tony B (Sarasota)
There’s a shocker- Sarah Sanders saying a witnessed , reported argument and statements are not true...what a nest of vipers....
Acey (Washington, DC)
Stephen Miller's mangling of the English language (a quadruple mixed metaphor!) may be the least obnoxious detail in this woeful tale of racist xenophobia, but it's a telling one: people with no respect for clarity in language also have no capacity for clarity in thought. That includes, evidently, everyone in the Trump administration, Trump and his apologist Sanders probably being the worst of the lot.
Joe yohka (NYC)
which country in this world is more open than the USA? The hypocrisy of others throwing stones. Can I move to Mexico, China, Afghanistan, Yemen, with no visa and just get work or handouts? I can't even bring a bible to many middle eastern countries, or practice falun gong in China without retribution (not that I carry bibles or practice falun gong). Compared to the rest of this world, we are still doing fine, people
Charles (FL)
We support what President Trump is doing.. Continue on with your immigration policies.
alexander harrison (Ny and Wilton Manors, FLA.)
@Catherine: No se ofenda, but your soapy comment deserves clarification. So let this be a teaching moment for Alexander Harrison and a learning moment for u and those who agree with you. Americans r fair minded, and go along with the policy of (a)1 million immigrants per year and (b) that those who r admitted have waited their turn. What Trump supporters object to is open borders, O's philosophy of "Heck, let em all in,"w/o distinction and who r entitled, despite their illegal status, to full card of welfare benefits, more than citizens:"Bref,"O's plan to transform America to America's detriment.Liberals support diversity, but how many live in sociologically diverse neighborhoods? How many know the peril of living in a housing project?Trump and his followers also object to chain immigration which poses an obvious danger.ISIS zealot who mowed down 8 passers by in Manhattan had benefitted from chain immigration.We who support Trump want a safe, sane tolerant America. We want to feel we own the country. that the Constitution and its laws r respected.We did not feel that way under Obama.How many of the 1,000 people who recommended u live, not in "quartiers"known for diversity, but in self segregated, wealthy enclaves.Do u think anyone on Times newspaper would dare set foot, much less live in a housing project like those on Chicago's south side? Not likely. 1 final point. Article is based on anonymous sources. How reliable can it be?
Mark Miller (WI)
Why do these Secretaries, and so many more Trump appointees, put up with this ranting fool? They don't need the jobs or the paychecks, and were probably much happier with life before Trump. It can't be that they love the limelight of their positions, constantly trash-talked by someone who is an illinformed clumsy lying oaf at best. They can't have a bit of respect for him; his behaiors, his racism, his simple minded "Aids", "huts" commentary, or his inability to even get his fact right. He lashes out at them, sometimes publicly, yet they cuddle up to him like a litter of whipped puppies. Since he isn't smartening up any, they can only expect that the beratings will continue and that their jobs will continue to be unpleasant and unrewarding. In contrast, one can sort of understand Sarah Huckster's lying and coverups for Trump; she didn't have much of a career before becoming the chief WH fact-denier and probably won't have one if Trump dumps her. By why do competent people with significant careers submit themselves to being Trump's whipping boys?
p. kay (new york)
There is little doubt that this bigoted man, so racially flawed, said these things. He spoke them at his rallies and plays only to his ignorant base, supported by a Republican congress filled with participants in his agenda of hate and bigotry. They are all a disgrace to the country and are moving us back to a time of injustice that we fought so hard to expunge. This President is disgracing us to our history and to the world. His lying words will go down in history - he and his supporters will be vilified in the end as the scale of justice must tip in democracy's favor. We shall overcome.
Joseph (Dallas)
It matters very little what he may or may not have said in the meeting. The public knows what he stands for or they should. One only has to review, if you really want to, his own words in many speeches...disgusting.
Cordelia (New York City)
My husband is Cuban American. He arrived here in 1968 and is an artist, chess master and lover of classical music. His late mother, who arrived here in the 1970s, held a doctorate in philosophy. Members of my husband's extended family have settled in the U.S. over the course of decades through family immigration petitions, attaining refugee status or the lottery. They are all hard working and high achievers. A cousin's son will be graduating from Cornell next spring. Another cousin's son is a nuclear engineer and his daughter a speech therapist. His cousins include an investment banker, an attorney and a doctor. His sister and niece were teachers. Knowing how hard they have all worked to make better lives for themselves and their children makes me bristle when I listen to Trump's racist nativist views. Trump is an inferior human being when compared to any of my Cuban American in-laws. His hateful and ignorant policies sicken me.
Prof. Jai Prakash Sharma (Jaipur, India.)
Until he remains in office President Trump would keep harping on his wild campaign agenda and capitalise on fear mongering be it immigration or the joblessness, but would do nothing by way of suggesting such policy course that really benefits the country.
Gary Winter (SC)
The parallels to 1930 Germany are scary. The denigration of the press. The white supremacy, the sycophants who surround Trump. Are we really going to repeat history? If there ever was a President who should be impeached, this is the one. Congress do your job. NOW!
Steve Bolger (New York City)
The Republican Congress answers only to God, which is effectively themselves in their mirrors.
Steve (Colorado)
Did the press in the 1930's Germany get busted running so many false stories as has our press of late?
Samuel (New York)
Anything Huckabee Sanders says is a lie. Just like her King .
Chico (New Hampshire)
I can't believe anyone with a grain of common sense would believe anything Sarah Huckabee Sanders says, her denials are a joke. I don't who is dumber and a bigger liar, her father Mike Huckabee or her......both cut from the same cloth.
Steve (Colorado)
But you have no problem believing unnamed sources. Some of which were only told by others what supposedly was said in this meeting?
Me (MA)
Trump is at his Florida mansion all aglow from his major tax cut legislative victory and the memory of all those republican toadies singing his praise. He rides around in his little golf cart, his chariot of winning so bigly, and gets his narcissistic fix from Fox & Friends. All is right in Trumpland and the Donald is finally getting the adoration he has always so desperately craved. And then the "fake news", the failing New York Times, runs this article on the front page of the Sunday edition on Christmas Eve and drops a massive lump of coal in the Donald's stocking. Merry Christmas, Donald J Trump -we all know how much you love coal. And you certainly have earned it. Little Donny would ride the subway from Queens into Manhattan, illegally standing between the subway cars as any young hoodlum would, dreaming of the day he would make it there and own the city. He achieved many of his dreams, most likely by criminal methods, but never got the respect he needed from the power brokers in the city he tried to rebrand as all things Trump. And now, as the President of the United States, he expects the whole world to bow before him and finally recognize his greatness. Instead, we all wish you would take the subway home to Queens where your new neighbors are likely to be Haitian and Nigerian, possibly even Muslim. Maybe they could open your eyes to the real world and make you a better person. But really, we wish you would just go away.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
The spoiled brat hasn't ridden the decaying subways for decades. I hope he is flushed before he rebuilds the US nuclear arsenal back to 30,000 bombs.
Nina (Newburg)
Alas, here I was hoping that, at least for Christmas weekend, none of us would have to hear one word or see one photo of the degenerate who occupies our White House. Please, all of you, don't write any more about him....you are just feeding his insatiable ego, and ruining yet another holiday. Please!
Joanne (Pennsylvania)
This is a cancer on the presidency. And the GOP has stood by this far too long.
Rea Tarr (Malone, NY)
Trump's reasoning (well, the reasoning of his wordsmiths) when he lied was that it was a "rhetorical device to whip up crowds." So, why can't The New York Times write "They 'all have AIDS,' he grumbled," for the same purpose? What's so terrible if The Times prints that Trump added that, once the Nigerians "had seen the United States, they would never 'go back to their huts' in Africa?" Why should my side not be allowed to keep the flames burning under me and my countrymen who are wearying of the daily horrors seeping from the noggin of the nincompoop in the White House? Thanks for today's fuel, Mr. Shear and Ms. Davis. I needed that.
KF (North Carolina)
When a boy is raised by a bigoted father and is indoctrinated into the KKK at an early age, why should anyone expect that same boy at age 70-something to be different? Trump shows all the same mental sicknesses as Hitler, and look what Hitler's insecurity and hatred of 'the other' did to a proud nation like Germany. Someone needs to stop Trump and his racist buddies in the White House, Kelly, Miller, Pence and all the others, from continuing down this path before it is too late. I remember the poem "When they came for the Jews, I did not say anything..." and worry about what America is becoming under this man's direction. I am American-born and I am scared, so I cannot imagine what legal immigrants and refugees with visas are feeling.
GreedRulesUS (Santa Barbara)
Mr trump, just perhaps it is YOU who have made a mockery of our United States.... just perhaps.
DTOM (CA)
The Apprentice is a xenophobe of epic proportion. This is anti-American. We are a nation of immigrants. When we deny this aspect of our history, we are denying our strength as a Nation forevermore. Xenophobia is a weakness we cannot tolerate. Immigrants represent possibility and potential to our nation. Our weakness is denying immigration as a positive in our Nation’s growth and development. Trump is our Nation’s big flaw currently and he must be removed immediately. His stupidity and unwavering ignorance are a cancer in this country along with the deplorables who believe in his garbage of ‘make America great’ by exclusion of immigrants.
rowoldy (Seattle)
"Merry Christmas", Mr. Trump! Just want to also say that the guy that owns the saptic tank service truck in rural Pacific County where we have a beach place does work that deserves higher praise than your agenda. At least the guy does not leave a mess. Hope there is a country that will accept you when you, like Napoleon, are deported!
Carlos Hiraldo (Queens, New York)
Oh come, does President Trump come across as the kind of guy who would use that kind of language?
Michael Bithet (Freeport, Maine)
He is a racist plain and simple. The apologists should be silenced. And the 46% who voted for him did so with the knowledge of his overt racial appeals. Now the research in the Times and elsewhere shows—surprise!— that people voted for him base on racial prejudice rather than economics, poverty, poor white class or other. Our country and those voters should be ashamed. For the resistance one simple question: how do we politically combat racist views and provide candidates in the next election who can appeal to our better angels.
Weber (Boston)
Reading this painful article about Trump and his low life enabler Stephen Miller i reminded of this article. We have been here before. https://www.brainpickings.org/2017/02/07/hannah-arendt-the-banality-of-e...
Omar (Chicago)
Browsing the comments section, I am shocked that anyone is still shocked by the buffoon's racist misconduct in the first place. It reminds of that SNL skit, in which Dave C and Chris Rock laugh at the back as their white friends express shock and dismay at the buffoon's election win. As minorities, we are still laughing.
Mike (Canada)
They are having the same Trump effect in Canada. Soon Canada would follow suit and would be deemed as a 'bad' place for immigrants. White nationalists and supremacist are in 'rise' in western world in general if you look around the globle. Sad but true.
MJM14 (Houston)
For you that think these illegals do not bring diseases into the school and work force have absolutely no knowledge of the conditions in their home countries. Illegals have NO rights in this country. It is easy to be all benevolent when YOU have not been a victim of Illegals Crime. People that have no plans on becoming legal immigrants do not deserve your sympathy.
Robert (Out West)
And a Merry Christmas to you as well.
T. M. Conner (Texas)
I am the granddaughter of a Mexican immigrant. My grandmother was once employed as a custodian at the university from which I took my diploma. She was an honest, hard-working woman who loved her family and sought no special treatment from anyone. She merely sought to be respected as a human being. She learned to speak English, but she never learned to read or write it very well. I, however, am poised to complete my master's degree soon. The first in my entire family with a graduate degree. I am her legacy. Though lacking for formal education, my Mexican grandmother had more sense, decency, and worth than the despicable dolt in the White House.
Justme (Here)
Hiw nice it would be to keep HIM out.
Al (New York)
I really do hope this administration passes a comprehensive immigration reform in line to what other countries like UK, Canada, Australia have in place so we can bring the talent and the brain that can make our economy competitive. Enough with the morbid storytelling around illegal immigrants who have been for over 20 years in the country and still don’t speak English and the chain family immigration- people who take advantage of hard owing tax payer money and give nothing back to the economy. NYT how about you report right and stop this ad hominem articles. It’s getting ridiculous
Zejee (Bronx)
The children all learn English. And immigrants do work. Just open your eyes. My Italian neighbor, a grandmother, never learned English either.
JM (San Francisco, CA)
When is the next march on Washington?
Kay Walsh (Sacramento)
California , once the golden state when I moved there years ago with good schools clean air and the language was English. Today under Democrat leadership we have reached 40 million people, white people in the minority, schools packed with kids who can't speak English ranking now 47th in the nation. Our roads are a mess, we are a Sanctuary state with 20% of the nations welfare recipients and 3 million illegal immigrants costing tax payers 26 billion a year in services. Trump is right about severely limiting immigration and ending chain migration. My heart aches for this beautiful state what is left of it-
Joe Bob the III (MN)
"Mr. Trump’s visceral approach to an issue..." Visceral approach? Come on. The remarks about Haitians having AIDS and Nigerians living in huts are the basest level racial and ethnic prejudice. There is no need to sanitize it with vague euphemisms. Through the genius of American democracy, a simpleminded bigot is in the White House.
Ed (Virginia)
The alleged comments are racist & I won’t defend them. I do however support Trump’s immigration stances and execution of them. They’re enough for me to hold my nose and vote for him again.
Christopher C. Lovett (Topeka, Kansas)
Sad...I advise you to read John Kennedy's A Nation of Immigrants. It may open you mind, and more important, your soul.
Jon W (Seattle)
Ed. Please don’t become a single-issue voter. There is plenty of policy room between Trump’s bombastic racism and a rational, compassionate, practicable immigration program that I think you could live with. Surely we can find a way to meet somewhere in the middle. Merry Christmas, -Jon
Syliva (Pacific Northwest)
But do you honestly think that spending on a wall will help Americans more than the myriad other ways billions could be spent? And what percentage of immigrants do you think it will keep out, as opposed to other, cheaper measures? I am sympathetic to aspects of both sides of the immigration issue, but spending money on the wall just seems like grandstanding compared to other ways we could spend money to support US-born Americans.
Gale Watts (Camden, Maine)
Be honest, Anthony, it was the disaffected white, working class voter (some 80,000 in three states) that put this man and his agenda into office.
Bob (Seattle)
Echoing John Adams of California's comment "tiny heart"... It goes well with his "tiny hands" and tiny everything else about him.
Meme (Boston)
Most leaks have been proven unfounded. so I don't put much stock into this one. Way too much Fake News by discredited media.
Paul King (USA)
Secure the borders. Have smart immigration quotas. Work out a path to citizenship for those already in the country who are good, productive people. They don't hurt us at all. Absolutely protect and keep our Dreamers. Use knowledge and facts about immigrants as our guide to policy. Resist knee-jerk, no-nothings who just want to score political points and stoke fear for their gain. America has always been about immigrants seeking a better life. Always. Any questions?
Jam77 (New York Ciry)
Please don’t lump all immigrants together. There is a difference between LEGAL immigrants and ILLEGAL aliens (aka Undocumented immigrants). The attempt to protect the Illegal immigrants, especially those who have committed additional crimes beyond breaking immigration laws, is severely hurting the Lagal immigrants ability to assimilate into their new homeland. Lagal immigrants worked very hard, and many spent good money to come to the U.S. legally, and want to be good members of society. When Illegal immigrants commit crimes, and are then protected from being deported, it gives all immigrants a bad name. Please stop protecting illegal aliens so the rest of us can live in peace together.
Robert Haberman (Old Mystic)
It's Christmas Eve. Wouldn't it be nice if the Ghosts of Past, Present and Future visited him. Although, that probably still wouldn't change his grotesque personality.
MJM14 (Houston)
This fantasy has already been denied by everyone in the meeting.!
Maria (Garden City, NY)
One way or another, he always finds a way to act against people with any shade of skin but white. Sustained Twitter wars with Muslims and African Americans, attacks on African American basketball and football players, ICE seizures of DACA enrollees, threatened reneging on DACA itself, immigration bans, negligence on hurricane aid along with demeaning comments for Puerto Rico. There’s some new manifestation of it all the time.
Snip (Canada)
Formula for MAGA: decrease immigration of gifted people; concentrate on whipping up resentment among the most poorly educated white citizens while simultaneously starving their states for funds for healthcare and schooling. Here we go down the rabbit hole of history, folks.
Miss Ley (New York)
Dear Mimi, Thank you for the delightful new calendar and the reminder that Election Day is Tuesday, November 6, 2018.
Make America Sane (NYC)
HUMMM.. Refugees fleeing for a better life.... OK but the US and EU cannot provide for all of these people from war-torn and more corrupt than we are countries. Is 9 billion rally all the people the earth can support?? We supposedly will be therein 20 years... and what about our fellow living brething creatures and other life-- plants that make this planet either habitable-- the plants or interesting -- the animals?? I have no real idea as to what an immigration policy should be. Why this emphasis on family BTW? (encourages tribalism and corruption perhaps?) An old friend aged 70 recently immigrated to Australia -- in fact two old friends now living there--one with, one without husband.. Permutations of family. I do know we need birth control uber alles.. and esp. in the so called developing world. I believe in much less war. The world needs economic opportunity no matter where. The world needs civility everywhere. What has CONGRESS that august body done about DACA? Discussion need to be much broader IMO. Trump this Tump that.. meaningless.. Haiti got cholera from the UN peacekeepers. (AIDS a problem of hormonal control.. and again MEN doing the wrong thing. and women helping them along.
just Robert (North Carolina)
I just finished reading two marvelous NYT pieces one featuring Dr Martin Luther King Jr.'s vision of the world as interconnected and interdependent. The other saw Jesus in the face of suffering refugees caught in horrid filthy camps. What would either Jesus or Dr. King say about Mr. Trump who seems to lack any empathy for the suffering people of the world? The human race says we seek to live up to our highest visions of the world and yet we are dragged back to our lowest by a man who sees people as things to be manipulated and discarded. Trump represents our new Herod and our worst natures. Is he here at this time to show us that we must transcend his tiny demented vision of people and the world.
Lawrence (Colorado)
This important article gives a depressing summary of more of the damage that Trump and his minions in the White House and the craven GOP congress enablers are inflicting on the US. The US was built on immigration. Looking ahead to the midterm elections... "GOP: not even for assistant dog catcher!"
Citizenz (Albany NY)
In the mid 1850s the "Know Nothing" or American Party movement were against immigrants coming intro the country because they were threatening the white ruling class. The immigrants in question at that time were Irish and German. I am ashamed to see where our current president is taking our Great Country.
Josh (CT)
If the US loses it’s white majority, it will be the beginning of the end. Every country needs an ethnic/religious majority for its stability.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
Technology is indifferent to race and tribe. It is a common language and discipline transcending them all.
SLM (Charleston, SC)
Hate speech like this should be an impeachable offense for a US President. I grew up in the District and had the privilege of learning young that there is so much more in this world than well-done steaks and ketchup. We are stronger for every immigrant here, for every different viewpoint at the table, for the competing smells of puposas and pho. Each person brings with them their home and makes this country immeasurably richer for it. This bigot has no place in my hometown, let alone the White House.
David (Albuquerque)
Perhaps friends were calling chrump to say he looked like a fool for a host of other reasons--all legitimate.
B. Rothman (NYC)
Our fake populist President is a wrecking ball. He is acting out Steve Bannon’s script, which is to destroy the government as it exists, and they are aided and abetted by FOX media and a silent cowed Republican Congress. This President and the 1/3 of the Republican Party who will never desert him live to give the finger to anything that works well in government. When the Republican Party sold its soul to the money men who pay for their elections they also signed onto Reagan’s false idea that government is the problem. Sadly, when all our agencies are no longer functional and we actually have to physically bribe someone to do their job, we’ll see how much more of a problem there is without functioning ethical government. Trump’s complaints about everything are fake news to the max. But there is no cure for stupid or in his case also no cure for terminal narcissism.
Former Republican (NC)
He's right. There is no wall. We still have terrorist attacks, and now we have as more domestic terrorists than we had foreign born terrorists under Obama. He ought to be fuming. He's failing all over the place. The only thing propping this guy up was the Obama economy. And now that the Obama tax code is gone, and Obamacare has been sabotaged, it's likely that the economy will start to falter too. And now gas prices are on the rise, a tax on everyday people that the press has been warned to ignore.
bob (chicago)
Of course he said that about Haitians! His mind is still in the 80s before a lot was learned about HIV/AIDS. Many people thought Haitians "brought" AIDS over to the US on their refugee boats, a theory that was quickly debunked. He's still in a Studio 54 daze. A total disgrace.
NBrooke (CA)
He does a great job making a mockery of himself all by himself. No help needed.
Joel G (Upstate NY)
Nevermind for a moment that the President's remarks are highly offensive and clearly coming from a place of deep bigotry and hostility toward non-white immigrants, the statements are extremely inaccurate. Only about 2% of Haitians are HIV posititive, and of course only a fraction of those actually have AIDS. Second, people in Africa increasingly live in overcrowded cities, not huts. Unfortunately, many live in conditions far worse than a hut in a rural location, because the shanty-towns outside of major cities are abysmal slums. However, such people are very unlikely to be able to get on a jet and fly to the U.S., simply because airfare is out of reach for that caste. Once again, Trump reveals himself to be not only a bigot, but also incredibly ignorant and small-minded. Too much cable news, for far too long.
MIMA (heartsny)
Ironic poor Donald Trump is from Queens, the most diverse city in the country. Maybe the grit and humanity all those “others” have/had while Donald lived on his high horse with Daddy’s money, shamed Donald emotionally long, long ago. And he just can’t and never could stand it. Miller, Kelly, Sessions, Mc Gahn, Sanders, Conway.....they”re just as bad. They’re the birds of a feather that flock together that have tried to ruin the image of our country. “Trump’s not my president” is more and more popular. But the rest of us should not have to wear the shame and cruelty and insanity he has smeared on this country and on us. While many of us have taught our children and future generations to honor diversity, learn from others, embrace humanity, we are stuck with Donald Trump who preaches the opposite. How do we explain that to our grandchildren and to the rest of the world? I mean, did some of us who were affected by Germany ever get over it?
DFP (Boston, MA)
Tragically there is a Lady standing on Ellis Island that has become another one of Trump's rape victims, Fortunately she will standing as a reminder on how America has and will become truly great again long after Trump has long been forgotten, and his polices discarded. “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
Carl Center Jr (NJ)
Trump does a bang up job of making a mockery of his presidency all by himself. That's the one thing he doesn't need help with.
Jim Dwyer (Bisbee, AZ)
Trump starts looking and sounding more like the Depression Era corrupt dictator Huey Long, who was Governor and Senator from Louisiana before he got shot dead by a doctor who had seen and heard enough from Huey. And while the medical code suggests that doctors do no harm, we are allowing harm to thrive while this vile person runs the greatest nation in history. Merry Christmas!
Thomas Dorman (Ocean Grove NJ 07756)
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"---inscription at Statue of LIberty.
Jack (East Coast)
Would it be possible for the NYT to get Trump out of the headlines for just a few days so that an exhausted America can celebrate Christmas and having survived this year. Put Trump stories in a special section where those so inclined can find them. Thank you.
L'osservatore (Fair Verona, where we lay our scene)
Liberal anger was what had to fill Ted Kennedy in the mid-1960's when he completely went to war against the America that existed then. We had gone a long time with minimal Mexican illegal immigration when he rewrote our immigration laws. Kennedy's law flooded out borders so much that 15 years later people knew that we were in trouble. As of today we have large cities with over a quarter of their students not hearing English spoken at home and wages that have no kept up with inflation for a long time. Never let progressives write your immigration laws.
Pat (Texas)
So, you are talking about the Hart-Celler law, right? And trying to skew the truth to fit your agenda. Here are the facts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 In 1952, President Truman had directed the Commission on Immigration and Naturalization to conduct an investigation and produce a report on the current immigration regulations. The report, Whom We Shall Welcome, served as the blueprint for the Hart–Celler Act.[5] At the height of the Civil Rights Movement the restrictive immigration laws were seen as an embarrassment. President Lyndon Johnson signed the 1965 act into law at the foot of the Statue of Liberty. Whoops! Ted Kennedy did NOT write the law!
The Owl (Massachusetts)
some people deserve to be fired. That was both a privileged and classified meeting. The leakers are disgusting and should stop calling themselves Americans. Jail time would be appropriate.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
The Owl. On the contrary, THANK GOD for the leakers. There is nothing to thank our corrupt president and the evil he has wrought.
Mike (From VT)
The problem with lying is eventually you get caught. Once caught people will doubt any thing you say or deny. The problem of habitually lying is that people will assume that you are lying again and never believe a word you say. This is Mr Trump’s problem.
Daisy Clampit (Stockholm)
Hi Mike, Unfortunately, that seems to be the way it was not the way it is. Trump has been lying for many decades, probably since he could talk. But let's hope you're right!
khughes1963 (Centerville, OH)
Trump has been a liar for a long time. I regard him as about Baghdad Bob's level of accuracy, which was lousy!
ManhattanWilliam (New York, NY)
Although the damage inflicted on the Office of President and this country will never fully heal, we must remember that whatever perfidy is being done CAN BE UNDONE. Filibusters no longer being enforced, the Democrats will, in spite of their incompetence as a unified political force, regain the presidency and control of Congress and THEN will be the test to see if they or anyone in this country has the stature to smite down each and every vile law currently being enacted and replace them with laws that represent what this country was meant to stand for: the rule of law and EQUAL JUSTICE under it.
frank w (high in the mountains)
my friend is going to try to cross the boarder again this winter, he failed to cross safely this past summer, he has spent over twenty five years going back and forth over the boarder, each passing year it gets harder and harder to do, it is almost impossible these days but we still need a wall, he's a great guy I hope he makes this try
Pat (Texas)
Who is this boarder to whom you refer? Clue: no wall will keep people out as long as the country includes an ocean or two as one of the borders.
lansford (Toronto, Canada)
From where I sit, it seems that Trump has won, and America has lost. The GOP probably thinks they’ve won but only trump and his ilk have. America and the world lost, because republicans value winning over everything, and I do mean everything, else. What is most concerning is that there are still years to go, and much damage to avoid. I sincerely hope, that at the end of trumps tenure, America still has the respect of us it’s allies.
Drspock (New York)
While Trump may be all over the map on immigration, the question is where is the GOP plan for immigration reform? Sadly the answer is there is none. Despite controlling both houses the GOP wants to placate businesses, especially agribusiness and have sensible reform, while at the same time playing Trump's 'race card' to keep 'those people' out. They can't do both. Protecting the Dreamers should be easy. No one should want to punish a child for the sins of the parent. But still, no deal, no resolution and no GOP leadership. The party that was against everything during the Obama administration now can't figure out what they're for. The result is Trump's erratic administrative orders, Homeland Security's arrest everyone tactics and effectively a "we have no policy" policy. We deserve better than this.
VS (Boise)
Call me skeptic, but if Trump is that true to the immigration issue then why hire immigrants at Mar-a-Lago. He is treating the Presidency as his personal fief and to get all the profits from it.
John (Connecticut)
Since the mid sixties Congress has failed to either secure the borders of this country or provide an immigration policy or laws that aids the USA either economically or socially.In addition undocumented immigrants or illegal immigrants,”take your pick”.have swelled our census.An immigration system that secures our borders allows immigrants preference who might provide benefit to this country rather than so called “chain migration” which I believe accounts for 70% of current immigration,as well as eliminating the lottery process might improve our future and that of our country.
Crossing Overhead (In The Air)
If they're undocumented they're breaking the law. How difficult is that to understand? No one is saying NO immigration. We simply want them to respect the law as we are expected to. Breaking our laws as the first act of being on our soil runs counter to being a good American citizen. This is simple, common sense and shouldn't be a topic for debate in any intelligent circles.
Common Sense (Planet Earth)
And if a president can’t speak one sentence without offending someone or telling a lie.....?
D (NewYork)
Sarah Huckabee Sanders has lied so often about easily verifiable facts, that she has lost all credibility. Why should we now believe her when she says Trump did not make the derogatory statements reported by the Times? Yes, the Times has sometimes made mistakes, as all news outlets may do, but the Trump administration has adopted lying as their normal policy.
Andrea Landry (Lynn, MA)
Derogatory remarks about anyone and everyone who does not resemble what Trump sees in the mirror all day long are nothing new. Stereotypical insulting generalizations on anyone not white are nothing new either. Temper tantrums to get his way are now part of the daily routine and he is surrounded by enablers who allow him to terrorize them which ultimately results in Trump terrorizing the majority of Americans and the rest of the free world. Thank you very little, enablers. Personally, I wish his 'extreme vetting' had been in place when his grandfather emigrated here and started up a bawdy house for gold miners. It eventually was shut down by the law according to reports, but not before it created a nest egg or start up money for further American enterprise. If this historical account is true, then it illustrates the amoral gene that got passed down generationally. If PT Barnum never said 'a sucker is born every minute' that has to be Trump thought especially in light of his habit of throwing everyone under the bus who serves no direct purpose to Trump, his ego, or his personal holdings worth billions.
Siebolt Frieswyk 'Sid' (Topeka, KS)
Facts matter. All of us not descended from American Indian tribes at the beginning of English settlers who traveled here to start at Plymouth as a commercial outpost for Britain are immigrants. Trump is an erratic even primitive man whose lack of self regulation, impaired judgment and demagogic conduct creates chaos and turbulence. Yet, he gives voice to fears of many who readily blame the 'other' rather than evaluating the modes in which we function as the source of their disquietude and lack of opportunity to improve our lives. That paranoia fanned by Trump is a clever ruse for the Republicans to distract from the reality that for the most part our Nation is ruled and run for the benefit of the elite guaranteed access to political power by citizens united that makes politicians open for purchase under the ruse of conservative ideology and distorted Christian theology. Trump is a remarkable circus act whose erratic conduct imperils us but not for the reason one might easily think. His irascible, incompetent, brutish and self centered bullying is the 'noise' that keeps us unaware that the vast and powerful forces of multinational corporations rule us. Exploiting racism is as old as time. We need the well tempered, egalitarian and cool competence that Obama brought to the table. His keen and discerning vision is what we miss the most. The president we now have behaves like an unfettered pig/boar to mask the real drama unfolding, the death of our representative democracy.
Joanne (Pennsylvania)
Thus far Mueller’s investigation has resulted in 2 guilty pleas. Both Flynn and Papadopoulos pleaded guilty and are cooperating witnesses. His son is in deep. Mr. Trump is indifferent to the truth--- approaching 2000 verifiable lies for this year. He should resign over these racist comments, and over the sexually accusations and misogynist tweet he directed at Democratic Senator Kirstin Gillibrand. This is the year of #Me Too. It's Him ALSO. Hope he watched CNN's documentary on Nixon's Watergate last night. His scandal with Russia is far worse. Mueller’s investigation has so far resulted in major guilty pleas. Both advisers Flynn + Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI and have been cooperating witnesses. Likely Flynn has been wired. These investigations are tied to federal, state and local -- Mr. Trump cannot pardon them or get them out of it. Psychiatrists weighed in. The president is out of control with malignant narcissism and outright incompetence. His emboldened looting of the treasury to enrich himself, coupled with his lies on the matter, should bring his resignation. The same legislators who just praised him were discussing how to wrestle the nuclear codes from him not long ago.
Blackmamba (Il)
Donald John Trump's cowardly dishonorable unpatriotic German grandfather was forced to flee to America to avoid criminal prosecution for evading the German Bavarian military draft. Trump's Scottish mother and his Czech first wife and Slovenian third wife came to America as gold diggers looking to mate and marry well. America does not need nor deserve "immigrants" like these. We could do with less greed and more character and talent. We could do with fewer model/beauty queens. We need many more immigrants like "The Dreamers" and far fewer "Schemers" like Trump, Pence, Adelson, Saban, Ryan and McConnell. We need more Steve Jobs and Sergei Brin and Shirley Chisolm and Colin Powell. No more Don, Jr., Ivanka, Eric, Tiffany and Barron Trump. My white roots in America go back to 1640 Lancaster County in the Virginia Colony. My free-person of color roots in America go back to the American Revolution in Virginia and South Carolina. My enslaved black African ancestors were in Georgia in 1830/35. My brown Native ancestors were in Georgia and South Carolina in 1830/35. That heritage makes me all and only black African in America. Neither Natives nor enslaved Africans were "immigrants".
Joanne (Pennsylvania)
I believe every word of this article. Maggie Habermann said that just before publication of this story, the White House pushed out cabinet members to deny the details of the president's remarks. In my opinion, the president, due to his history, lacks any credibility pn denying racism. Of course he said it, and of course people in the room heard it. Even those who left the room when an argument ensued heard it.
rlk (New York)
We need to be perfectly clear: We have a bigot as our President. He's not the first, nor will he be the last. Every one of them has diminished our soul. And brought shame to our history and legacy.
Panny pan (LA)
So anyone and everyone willing to put their name and face on the record, including the very people he was berating, deny Trump said anything derogatory. Only a couple conveniently anonymous "sources" claim he did. I would think RESPONSIBLE journalists would exercise some restraint. Let those anonymous sources and their anonymous friends* take their petty spite to the tabloids. *rags in general need to quit this "friends/family confirmed he/she told them at the time" nonsense. As if hearsay all of a sudden magically lends a story credibility.
Paul Worobec (San Francisco)
Trump is a vigilante and will risk regardless of odds anyone’s family integrity, even his own, to gain approval from the GOP and his base constituents.
Jon Smith (Washington State)
Will the whining from the Democrats and the MSM ever end? No I doubt it will. After the 2018 elections--where they will lose and after the 2020 elections where President Trump will be reelected the whining will continue.
S (Germany)
I came here because my local news site in Germany reported it, and I followed the link. America's reputation in the world is being diminished by this sad person and his feeble ego every day.
Commodore Hull BB and Outdoor Treks (CT)
To all Commuters of I-95 in Fairfield County, CT who drive over the Yankee Doodle Bridge in Norwalk............that bridge is DEFUNCT, in poor condition!~ Notice the beautiful seagulls and shimmering waters far below where your car may soon plunge thanks to lack of FUNDS. Malloy is broadcasting dire transportation situation here YET sanctuary cities abound? This is but ONE EXAMPLE across the U.S. NICE! Sooooo, the President prefers to shore up our military, infrastructures...basics...over reckless generosity; and, he has supporters.
SM (Tucson)
Trump was elected by the American people to do certain things, including curbing large-scale immigration of poorly educated, low-skilled migrants, and those from regions of the world known to produce terrorists. He's doing it. So, the 'deep state', composed of long-serving government officials wholly unsympathetic to the president's agenda, leak to their Acela-corridor friends in the press and try to obstruct implementation of the polices the American people have chosen. That's fundamentally undemocratic. NYT: we see you.
emb (manhattan, ny)
Trump was not elected by the American people. He lost the popular vote.
R (San Francisco)
Why aren't Pakistan and Saudi Arabia on the banned list? 9-11 bombers came from and trained in those countries.
Rose Turner (San Diego)
Excellent article. A request - can you continue to use this photo for all Trump articles? I don't want to see his face anymore.
Michael (Rochester, NY)
In the southwest illegal immigration has burdened schools, as they take on illegal aliens (not immigrants which the NY Times liberally applies to people illegally occupying America). The schools in Texas, in some towns, have 25-40% of the population of the students from illegal aliens who do not pay property taxes to support public education. Does this make sense for the people who are actual legal immigrants paying taxes? Funding illegals who don't pay any tax? As long as some members of society, insulated from the consequences of illegal aliens, are willing to refer to illegal aliens, in America illegally, as "immigrants", then, America needs Trump.
CdRS (Chicago, IL)
Michael. A simple solution. Grant the illegals citizenship and they will pay taxes. We need them to replace the young talented Americans fleeing the country for countries where there is opportunity and good healthcare.
Ivan (Prague)
Just build a big wall around the USA. No more problems.
Angela M. Mogin (San Mateo)
All the claims that "the Donald"{ is duly elected should wait on the Mueller investigation. There is still doubt about his legitimacy and his ties to Russia. To allow a minority president to change established policy based on nothing but his paranoia and fears i.e. all Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers and all Haitians have AIDS is ridiculous. His treatment of the dreamers is particularly sadistic. First they are to be deported, then they can stay, then they are to be deported again. This is not a policy but a temper tantrum. We need a consistent, coherent immigration policy and we will not get one from this President who wants to ban all Muslims because they are Muslim. The only thing he is attempting to protect is his crediblity with his more extreme base. Mexico won't pay for the wall and Congress just added $1trillion to the deficit. Should we now spend billions to keep out people who are not Mexicans- net immigration from that country has been zero for several years but are Central and South Americans fleeing gang violence and drug lords? Wouldn't it make more sense to go after violent gang members instead of concentrating on low hanging fruit- people with jobs and families, fixed addresses and no tendency toward violence? So far, these are the people ICE seems to be selecting for deportation while gang members terrorize whole neighborhoods unmolested.
drew (nyc)
Happy Holidays to everyone except Trump/GOP/FOX. May they experience as much misery as they've inflicted on others.
itsmildeyes (philadelphia)
To be fair, Donald Trump probably thinks I live in a hut. I do my own housework.
Carter Nicholas (Charlottesville)
Possibly we shouldn't discuss this Executive Branch. Its monstrousness only endears it to its Party.
James (Here there and everywhere)
@Parker: Apparently, yes.
David R. (Baltimore)
Reasonable people can have a good debate about immigration, legal and otherwise. But this kid Miller is about the most dangerous guy I can imagine.
Olivia James (Boston)
Instead of trump's portraits in government buildings, let's have the Goya etching, "the sleep of reason breeds monsters." With immigration, as in everything else trump does where ignorance and gate is his guide, monstrousness arises.
Art Seaman (Kittanning, PA)
From the moment of his presidential run announcement 45 has espoused openly racist and bigoted views. The term, "secure our borders" is code for keep the non-whites out of our country. He is a vulgar man who promotes white nationalism. I am sure this is all true, despite the denials. Our nation is better than this, and we need to reject this in all of its ramifications for the sake of the soul of our nation.
apparatchick (Kennesaw GA)
If Republicans (business owners) wanted illegal immigration to stop, it would stop. They are not about to kill the goose that layed the golden egg for them, cheap labor. Instead of expensive walls, hoards of border patrol agents, drones, prosecute, convict and jail the owners of companies that hire illegal immigrants. Don't hold your breath.
AS (New York)
Although Nigeria has fabulous wealth the overwhelming majority live in filthy huts. Is it right for the US to enable Nigerians who could stand up and improve the nation to escape to the USugh. If there had been any escape from Plymouth would they have made it work when times were tough? Even though Trump is a disaster people will vote for him because he is doing the work the pro immigration liberals have blocked. Let us open up the practice of US law to anyone worldwide. . you would see quite a protest.
faivel1 (NY)
The fleecing of any moral value in our country is devastating. It's getting very hard not to despair. I know it didn't happen overnight, it took decades of terrible public policy and it came to the full fruition. The apathy, the ignorance, the decline of morality at every industry and institution prevailed and put us on a edge of self destruction. One big march is not enough, we should be taking to the streets every day, everywhere. It can't be tolerated any longer!!!
MDB (Indiana)
I don’t know what’s worse: Being embarrassed and ashamed of Trump’s opinions of Haitians and Nigerians (or of any immigrant, for that matter), or just coming to expect these prounouncements as standard operating procedure from the White House. Any kind of reform of social policy — be it immigration, welfare, what have you — must be based on unbiased factual studies, research, and discussion and not on one man’s unfounded perceptions, bigotry, and hate.
Eric H. (Maryland)
This Christmas, thank God we have Donald J. Trump in office, a man who--while he may be brusque and uneducated--is committed to preserving our great American heritage by limited immigration from the Middle East and Africa. While it's appropriate to allow a small number of refugees from the countries to come to the U.S., the fact is that these people DO NOT share our Judeo-Christian values. By letting in millions and millions of these people, we are eroding the moral fabric of our nation and weakening ourselves. When the fall of America eventually happens--and it will happen someday--it won't be from external invasion but from internal collapse. When you continue to import people who don't share your basic values, the country won't stand for long. While I suspect the NY Times won't print this comment, I believe it represents the opinion of the majority of our country still. Thank God for Donald Trump.
Thought Provoking (USA)
If Judio-Christian values are so great then why are many becoming lazy, entitled, greedy, addicted to opioids, becoming white supremacists etc. How do you explain Asian Americans with HIndu-Buddhist-Taoist values becoming the best performers in America? Asian Americans are the top performers in Math and science. There is nothing special about any particular culture. Every culture has its own strengths and weaknesses. Every culture accustomed to wealth become too comfortable, entitled and rot. The one way to stem this rot is to constantly replenish with fresh immigrant blood. And that’s the secret sauce of American greatness. Europe(Christian) and Japan(Shinto Buddhist), as different as they are, are stagnating because they don’t have a steady stream of fresh blood stemming their internal cultural rot.
Ronny (Dublin, CA)
I believe it does represent the opinion of Trump supporters. It represents the values of the 30% of Americans who support racism, xenophobia and economic warfare against the middle class.
Walter Rhett (Charleston, SC)
Forget Russian collusion. Now we have racist cover-ups.
[email protected] (Cumberland, MD)
I voted for Trump on the basis of his stand on immigrants and that he would enforce our immigration laws and deport as many as he could. I was glad to see him reduce our refugee quota to 45000 and only wish it would be lower. We can see what refugees have done to Europe. I agree that it is best to help them where they are a not bring to this or other countries. Resettlement harms the receiving country - see Europe for what happens. We need to end chain migration, end automatic family reunification for refugees, and end the diversity visa. Trump should not let the refugee bureaucrats at State or in the various VOLAGS stop him. In the New Year I want to see fewer refugees, and more deportations. Trump is doing the right thing.
JP (Portland)
There is no way that Mr. Trump would have gotten elected if he had not taken such a hard line stance against illegals. It's refreshing to see a President that actually is trying to follow through on his campaign promises. Keep it up Mr. Trump!
APB (Boise, ID)
"Refreshing" that our President uses blatantly racist rhetoric? Appalling.
JER. (LEWIS)
It appears President Trump has no problem with immigrants when he hires them to work at his properties.
Dave (New York)
The election of Mr Obama showed the large majority of Americans favor tolerance and are hopeful for their country. The last election showed that is still the case by the actual vote tally despite having a seriously flawed and dislikable, Democratic machine driven and owned candidate as an alternative. Dramatic change is needed from both parties.
Rae (New Jersey)
The last election is the reaction of racist America to eight years of a black Presidency. There is a sizable portion of our citizenry who never accepted him as President and were seemingly affronted every single day he was in office, supported in their attitude by what I will now call the racist way Republicans interacted with him in office.
Dave (New York)
Clinton had a lead of over 3 million in the popular vote but lost the electoral because her failure to grasp the political necessities imposed by the electoral college. Also, because of Hillary Clinton's unpopularity millions failed to vote. Her controlled special electors in the DNC did not reckon with either the political reality of the electoral college or Clinton's unpopularity. Even the traditional Republican Party did not want Trump. This was not a win for racism this was a Democratic failure.
Mutt (Australia)
As a foreigner, I wouldn't visit America at this point in time. That has NOTHING to do with the people or the country, and EVERYTHING to do with the President. Even as a white, middle-class English-speaking Australian of no specific religious beliefs, I would feel uncomfortable under his chameleon policies. I do not trust him, I do not believe him, and I most certainly do not respect him in any way, shape or form: he deserves none. The man is debased.
Dennis D. (New York City)
When are Republicans, and it is they who must act, going to put country before party and do something about this completely deranged specimen of a human who sits in the White House? Trump should be under the care of professionals in the field of psychiatry not in charge of the nuclear codes of the most powerful nation on Earth. Good God, Republicans have washed their hands of this travesty they've propped up. They soothe his ego so he won't blow his top, they bathe him in compliments galore, they kiss up to him in fear of his wrath. Is there anyone among them who will announce to the world this Emperor is naked? We the people are looking for some solace from the party in power. They provide US with none. Instead they pass the worst tax overhaul in history. What is wrong with these Republicans? DD Manhattan
Lawrence Rupp (New London NH)
The headline should read "President Trump works to fulfill his campaign promises on immigration, which is what the people elected him to do,"
JP (CT)
The people voted for someone else. 18th century slaveowners put him in office.
bob (NYC)
Trump is right on so many things. He also believes that climate change politics are a threat to our national security by undermining economic vitality and a diversified energy base. Meanwhile the buffoon obama encouraged climate change politics. So perhaps in a way obama was correct about climate change being a security threat, but not for the reason he cited.
JP (CT)
Meanwhile, climate change accelerates, wind is now the cheapest form of power in India, CA is three years ahead of its 50% renewables goal with no economic damage to that state while environmental issues contribute to its drought and fires... but somehow all of these realities are just part of Obama’s fever dream about science?
bob (NYC)
Nothing is wrong with wind or solar as long as it competes economically with other forms of energy. Additionally, without effective storage capacity, wind and solar will still not be able to provide a base load power source. Financial incentives are probably more necessary for base load generation due to the disruptive and unpredictable pattern of renewable Finally lets not forget about the significant land use and disruption of habitat for wildlife tha comes with wind and solar.
JP (CT)
(1)it does (2) ask australia about storage (3) nowhere near the damage done by combustion production.
hammerstamp (earth)
Unnamed sources are little more than gossip. I'll wait for those that can be verified.
Max Kaninsky (NJ)
How did this reporter know that Trump's agenda is "the product not of rigorous policy debate but of emotionally charged personal interactions and an instinct for tapping into the nativist views of white working-class Americans"? If that's the author's opinion or a deduction she reached, it ought to be labeled as such.
Ronny (Dublin, CA)
It is the same opinion reached by two thirds of the American people.
JP (CT)
Two years of parrotting Bannon and Miller and having now a third court strike down his capricious ban have pretty much produced a consensus on how he forms his choices. There are polls to show that such a conclusion about his “policies” are shared by a majority of Americans.
Rae (New Jersey)
Only a racist - and a particular type at that - could have imagined and sustained the birther campaign Donald Trump waged against Barack Obama. The fact of Obama's birthplace was much debated but not so much the outrageousness of Trump's claim in the first place. It was clear that his sole focus and driving force was Obama's birthplace - as a way of exploiting his "otherness" (skin color) - and not the person at all. Like his supporters, he seems to have spent Obama's Presidency incensed that America had actually elected and then re-elected a black man.
Wall St Main St (SF, CA)
Foreign Aid. Economic incentives. America can't sustain absorbing immigrants that even the NYT calls out as being well below US averages for income and education and are a burden to the US tax payer. (Eg $27b 10yr price tag for keeping DACAs) If they can't come here, we need to work to make their world a little better, so they can see a way to making life in their country a better choice than being illegal in ours. Don't just build a wall, show them how to fish...
JP (CT)
Except he also wants to eviscerate foreign aid. It’s impossible for him to govern in the modern world when he believes there is only one lever to pull on pretty much any given issue. Until of course when he takes a tarnac question from anyone who compketed the 10th grade, then all of a sudden he throws up an octopus-worthy smoke screen of stream-of-consciousness infonuggets that prove nothing more or less than he has not read more than annexecutive summary or a news headline about the issue.
Cosby (NYC)
@WallStMainSt :"If they can't come here, we need to work to make their world a little better, so they can see a way to making life in their country a better choice than being illegal in ours." Better yet, let's stop bombing countries, interfering in civil wars we can't 'win' and stop supporting dictators who push their citizens out. The Empire is striking back here just as it is doing in Europe.
Julie Sattazahn (Playa del Rey, CA)
Steven Miller says they've turned around the steamship USA and gotten her sailing in the opposite direction. Terrifying, a chief architect of Trumpism who believes like Bannon in Clash of Civilizations (or whatever it takes to get brpwns out) but knows the politics from being Sen Jeff Sessions right hand. I'm not sure what we'll be called upon to do in days to come, but we'd better be awake to the rug being pulled out ever more from regular order and soon, rule of law. Machiavellian, nihilistic and happening in front of our eyes.
Cosby (NYC)
Talking about ships and sailing, here's a piece in the NYT from 2 years ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/comparing-jewish-refugees-of-the-1... Unfortunately, Stephen Miller's folks managed to slip through :)
Jcaz (Arizona)
And how many H2B visas did Mar-a-Lago get for this upcoming season?
Derek (Fl)
It is true that most of Haitian have hiv, refer to WHO data. If they are there or coming here, they will positive among them. Why countries like ALL in Middle East test everyone, American or European or Indian no matter, on HIV before allowng him to get Any visa ? If tested has HIV, it is 'rejected without reason' not to spread it around.
JJ (MC)
A year ago this would have been a shocking revelation. Now it's just another piece of information that confirms what we already know about this despicable man's personality. The far right can deny all they want - there isn't a person in America who dosn't know that DJT is a racist. The shocking story is the continuing effort by FOX news to stoke the fires of racial hatred with those INCESSANT propaganda pieces on the "catastrophe" of illegal immigration, from every angle, but with the same viewpoint: law enforcement: heroes, immigrants: villains. Then there's Jeff Sessions running around in the background, doing his best to make sure people of color, immigrants (legal and illegal,) as well as American citizens themselves, loose as many rights as he can possibly kill. The Administration and far right allies are already inciting racial violence in subtle and not so subtle ways. Where is this going to lead? Don't tell me they'll be satisfied with what they've only just started.
Robert (Out West)
As other commentors mentioned, the fact that we have a President who cannot control his temper or separate his feelings from his sense (if any) of what's best for this country and the world is, if anything, worse than his open racism.
JSK (Crozet)
When General Kelly first came to DHS, there was some limited optimism that more moderate forces concerning immigration might surface. Many of us made that mistake: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/evaluating-john-kellys-record-a... . From Jonathan Blitzer's essay: "One of Kelly’s most revealing moments as D.H.S. secretary came in April, when he delivered a speech at George Washington University titled “Home and Away.” The remarks were a full-throated endorsement of the rank-and-file members of D.H.S. and its sub-agencies—most notably Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)—who were doing a job, as Kelly described it, that no one else had any right to criticize. “If lawmakers do not like the laws they’ve passed and we are charged to enforce—then they should have the courage and skill to change the laws,” he said. “Otherwise, they should shut up and support the men and women on the front lines. My people have been discouraged from doing their jobs for nearly a decade.”" This rhetoric is in line with the express views of the guy in the White House. If we are to see specific improvements and moderation, it is going to take congressional action and at times the ability to override a presidential veto. Just more evidence of the need to get out the vote in the 2018 midterms. The president is not one for much tolerance of "other." There is little reason to suspect he'll be influenced by positive individual stories: he is fixated on the negative.
chairmanj (left coast)
I don't know the value of printing unprovable remarks made by Trump. It only allows his defenders to loudly proclaim how you are out to get him while confirming to his base his true feelings.
What is Truth (North Carolina)
The opportunism displayed by Trump's advisers is only exceeded by the ignorance and narrow-mindedness of his core supporters.
Gerald Denis (Dublin, Ireland)
It should surprise no one that Trump is more bigoted than Archie Bunker. His racism and visceral hatreds were well known to all his supporters and detractors long before he was elected. Why is this a news item?
cfxk (washington, dc)
This is the face of evil. Woe to those who do not resist and defend humanity and decency.
Anna T. (New York City)
Trump's worst instincts on immigration are stoked by Stephen Miller, the descendant of Jewish refugees to the US, who are probably are turning in their graves seeing him becoming an acolyte of Stephen Bannon and other white nationalists. He single handedly blocked the agreement on immigration/refugees between Trump and the EU during Trump's first visit to Europe and has been emboldened every since. Together with Kelly (the so-called "moderate influence" among Trump's advisers) and senator Cotton, they are among the most dangerous individuals for the future of the US as the country who accepted and benefited by immigration throughout its existence. Miller was among those (Kushner and Ivanka) who pushed Trump to fire Comey and the person who actually drafted Trump's original letter firing Comey that White House Counsel McCan had to clean up and revise to make it pass legal muster. Hopefully his interview with Mueller and his team on this issue will result in getting him out of government service, and back to the gutter where he belongs!
KCL (Salem)
On Dec 15 Fox News ran a story saying "The White House is embarking on a major campaign to turn public opinion against the nation's largely family-based immigration system." On Dec 22, an Egyptian-born naturalized citizen is killed after some sort of shooting spree, shooting at police at least 3 times in Harrisburg PA. On Dec 23, Homeland Security issues a Twitter statement calling his attack "terrorism" and confirming that he arrived here via "family chain migration." I'm not defending the shooter - his actions were criminal, if not downright deranged. But calling it "terrorism" within 24 hours when news reports don't say he was yelling anything about Allah or ISIS, and no law enforcement has so far reported any terrorist links, just that he recently visited the Middle East. Maybe he's a "terrorist," maybe not. But he had to have lived here on a green card at least 5 yrs and gone through a process to become naturalized. So family members are no longer allowed because 5 yrs later, one of them might go nuts and start shooting? One of those "merit-based" immigrants could too - at least, if they're Muslim, you know.
W. Michael O'Shea (Flushing, NY)
Do you remember how Donald attacked the football players because they "took a knee" when the national anthem was played? He ranted and raved against them, but he has forgotten to tell Americans that he took a knee when our country asked him to join the US armed forces 50 years ago or so. He is a draft dodger and has never owned up to his cowardice and lack of patriotism. Now there are many, many immigrants supporting our country by their service in our armed forces, something which he didn't have the courage to do 50 years ago. It is ironic that a man who didn't love our country enough to answer its call has the nerve to denigrate immigrants who come here to become Americans any way they can, including doing something he was too cowardly to do 50 years ago. He has never had the decency to fes up to his past action, but points his dirty fingers at immigrants who want only to become Americans. And he points his dirty fingers at people who come from countries which have predominately people of color, much as he made sure that no American blacks were able to rent Trump apartments since he became a power in the Trump real estate business. It reminds me of what my grandma Katie used to say to people who criticized others: "Let those who are without sin cast the first stone."
Alpha (Islamabad)
It is not only Donald shortcoming he just brought it to the forefront. Racism is propagated in many form and shape, take for example of "Lord of the Rings" rarely their is a villain (creature) in the movie who is white. With exception of one .... all good guys/gals are white and of Western facial feature. While we condemn racism but subliminally it is propagated on every platform for human consumption including social media.
Matt (NYC)
I may despise Trump, but we're the enemies in those movies even human? I was under the impression that the were Orcs, Nazgul, a giant eye and other outlandish and decidedly fictional beings.
Pat (Texas)
The Lord of the Rings trilogy was written between 1937 and 1949. Try to come into the present. A good example of that would be the new Stars Wars movies. You are wrong. Well, you would have been right in ....1937, so you can find comfort in that.
JF (NYC)
Lord of the Ring? Really? Two of the three primary villains are white and one is a giant disembodied eye. And the workaday villains are orcs, goblins, and a Giant Spider. The books were written by an English guy and set in a Middle Ages milieu. Give us a break.
MKRotermund (Alexandria, Va.)
There is no chance of Trump getting off his anti-foreigner rant until such time that Stephen Miller is removed from the White House. He only serves to reinforce Trump of his long-established bigotry. It is time for Trump's generals to lay down the law: Miller must go. It would be a kindness to the republican party...bring it into this century.
A New Yorker (New York)
YOu'd have to lose Kelly, too. He's just as bad. only more subtle. Think about the cruelty with which he went after undocumented immigrants at DHS. He is as racist as Trump, just more polished.
macman2 (Philadelphia, PA)
Demography will define immigration more than any other issue. Here's the blunt truth - we are aging and becoming more diverse. By 2043 we will be a majority non white America. The result is that there will be a significant labor shortage as our need for skilled caregivers for the baby boomers, now in nursing homes will explode. Those Dreamers that we are ready to deport are the very skilled labor that we desperately need for our country. Fortunately, the new millennials embrace diversity in all its colors and view the white supremacists with distain. Trump merely reflects the last gasp of entitled white baby boomers who have handed over an America where we have saddled our millennials with a $21 trillion deficit, a tax plan that perpetuates corporate dominance, and a greenhouse gas filled planet. We should be ashamed. ' If we are lucky, immigrants will help us clean up this mess we have made.
Anthony (Mannino)
I was going along fine til I saw the part stating that Trump was "...tapping into the nativist views of white, working-class Americans." Hang on a second: I'm white, working class, but am not nativist. Why is it OK to broad-stroke me, and others like me, into a category we do not belong? This is the kind of thing that undermines whole discussions (and articles). I stopped reading at that point.
mecmec (Austin, TX)
Dear Anthony, please act and speak as decisively in the midst of any inflammatory or racist, anti-immigrant rhetoric or conversation. Thank you!
Mark Duhe (Kansas City)
Respectfully, Anthony, wasn't the article referring to working class whites who hold nativist views? If you do not hold those views, wasn't the article exempting you?
Corinne Standish (Hopkins, MN)
Can people remember next election that your vote matters? The votes for Ralph Nader in 2000 and 2016 for 3rd party candidates, Bernie or bust nonvoters could have put Al Gore, Hillary Clinton in the White House. Instead, look what we got - winning by narrow margins. A bunch of Minnesotans in the 90s thought it would be a cute protest vote to vote for the headline-grabbing pro wrestler Jesse "The Body" Ventura for State Governor. Guess who won. Although as bad as he was, even Ventura wasn't as unqualified, flagrantly dishonest, and downright dangerous as what we have in the White House now. It matters if you don't vote, and protest votes can lead to disaster. Please, next time, let us learn from the past.
Alex MacDonald (Lincoln VT)
After going through many complex medical procedures in Brookline Mass. for a chronic illness, i saw first hand the expertise of many immigrant workers in the medical field - in both cancer research and clinical care. As a result of these observations, the only conclusion i can come up with is that only someone as ignorant or as racist as Trump and those around him (such as Steven Miller) would consider immigration a net negative.
Linda and Michael (San Luis Obispo, CA)
Yet Trump sees no problem in manipulating the visa program in order to hire foreign workers for Mar-a-Lago.
MC (North Carolina)
You are so right. There have been many experienced applicants (American citizens, I might add) who were interviewed for jobs at Marilago, but were not hired. No explanation given.
Maurice F. Baggiano (Jamestown, NY)
Trump's Travel Ban not only violates Section 1182 of Title 8 of the U.S. Code, because its effect exceeds its authorization, it also violates the letter and the spirit of the First Amendment.
Chris-zzz (Boston)
The white backlash to mass immigration was predictable. By emphasizing identity and racial politics, the Dems are perceived as hostile to whites and especially white males. Combine that with the overt strategy, espoused by many, to make whites a racial minority and to rely on immigrants as reliable Dem voters, and it's no wonder that a majority of the country wants to slow down immigration. What are the true reasons there is such an ideological drive in favor of mass immigration? Perspective is often lost in the immigration discussion. Even if immigration is slowed, there are still a huge number of immigrants here now and on the doorstep. The U.S. population has doubled in my lifetime. Almost 50m people in the U.S. were born in other countries. No other country in the world welcomes as many immigrants as the U.S. Germany is having trouble absorbing a mere 1m refugees, less than 2% of it's population. Over 14% of our population is foreign born. I don't think the U.S. is in danger of being a pariah nation because it slows immigration rates.
mj (ma)
The 'Diversity' visa door should be closed. As should the visa 'Lottery'. We're good.
Dave (Omaha)
Like all staunch critics of immigration, Trump and his advisors welcome immigrants if it benefits their business. Witness his use of seasonal visas and the EB5 program whereby investors can "purchase" a green card by putting money into things like Jared Kushner's real estate deals.
matty (boston ma)
Defiance, sure. But it is the type of self-defeating defiance that we always see from our Southern states.
Labete (Sardinia)
The stories below about 'kind' immigrants are touchy-feely and 'nice'. But the question is--as I asked myself after having treated 6 of my family members to a $500 dinner (including a huge 'tip')--why do Americans have to pay for these 'kind' immigrants to come in? Why aren't these immigrants staying in their own countries and making them better? Why aren't rich Arab countries looking after them and accepting them in when they are able to pay $300 M for a chateau, $450 M for a painting and $100 M for a yacht? Why are predominantly white Americans accused of racism and niggardliness when it comes to immigration reform?
Steve Bolger (New York City)
The whole idea of opening US universities to foreign students in the first place related to giving them the knowledge to take back to their birthplaces to help them make the transition to technologically-based civilization.
Charles Edwards (Arlington, VA)
By the second generation, these folks are a net addition to the U.S. economy.
JP (CT)
Oh, I dunno... why can you afford a $500 meal when on the way home you likely drove within spitting distance of someone who does not know where their next meal is coming from? If your kids are in even a moderately large city public school, odds are they speak to someone weekly who does not eat a real meal between the school lunch on friday and the school breakfast on monday. The history of the Arab world is not one that leads to neighborliness, you could read up. Syria is uninhabitable. The richest nation in the world could have a grownup conversation about helping wartime refugees OR it could throw an 11-month long tantrum, fail to come up with a 90-day plan in a year and spend untold time, effort and loss by targeting a nonsensical collection of countries to keep 30% of the population from whining.
Getreal (Colorado)
With the mass killings, gun violence, religious intolerance, police executions of unarmed citizens, and a "non president" Trump harming the earth, it's a wonder countries aren't banning Americans.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
American travelers do experience arbitrary retaliations of US policies when traveling in some foreign nations.
Armo (San Francisco)
He's "frustrated and defiant"? I'm frustrated and becoming defiant. This country is under assault from within. The traitorous machinations with the russians, the lying, the cover-ups, the lawyer-ups, by the foul, fraud administration seems to be on a downward trajectory. And, meanwhile, back at the ranch, Mueller keeps grinding away. Tick tock, tick tock.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
Impeachment by Congress and conviction by the Senate is the only way Trump can be removed without political upheaval.
Jen (CA)
Our economy depends on an ever-expanding population. As we exercise our rights to access birth control and make our own sexual health decisions, the need to grow the population falls more and more on immigration. That's why right-wingers are also so intent on closing down Planned Parenthoods and making it hard to access birth control and sex education. So that they can encourage women to become incubators again in order to lessen the need for non-whites. In other words, the hate of women and need to control us is just as much part of their racism as the anti-immigration beliefs.
Trilby (NYC)
Where did you get the idea that a population explosion is a good thing? Resources are kinda finite. So is physical space. So are our benefits and support programs.
Steve Bolger (New York City)
No exponential growth process can continue indefinitely. The transition to stable population must occur, and before the Earth has been ruined.
latweek (no, thanks!)
What is scary, is that he has been ranting like this since before, during, and after his candidacy!
P.A. (Mass)
Trump is just out of his depth in this job. It's so obvious he is prejudiced and yet he does seem to have sympathy for the dreamers who were born here. I'd like to see him interviewed 'in depth' on this topic but he doesn't seem to allow himself to be interviewed. Just having Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon as close associates is a sign of Trump's prejudices. They remind me a bit of Halderman and Erlichman (sp?). I could never figure out why Nixon gave them high level roles in the White House but they obviously filled a need for a man who was paranoid and wanted revenge vs. his enemies. Trump is a deeply flawed president and we keep paying for his frightening flaws every day.
Concerned (Chatham, NJ)
Some campaign promises deserve to be broken. It takes an intelligent president to figure out which ones.
Marjorie Davies (Cincinnati)
"Mr. Trump entered office with an agenda of symbolic but incompletely thought-out goals." How about replacing "agenda" with "list of grievances " and "incompletely thought-out goals" with "whims"?
Sue A (NJ)
I am Irish and an immigrant. I am white and raised a christian. I have to say that I see nothing Christian about the sentiments of the Trump administration. I came to America for financial and personal reasons. I feel deeply disturbed by the fact that I am acceptable but others, who are trying to escape true hardship are being denied entry because they have the wrong faith or nationality. What really kills me and all the Irish people I know is that Kelly and all his ilk have Irish names.
WillT26 (Durham, NC)
If Trump wins a second term it will be for one reason: his position on immigration. I want to let the NYTs readership in on a little secret: entire regions of our country, and all the citizens that live there, have been abandoned and left to suffer. Resources that could help them, instead, go to help illegal immigrants. Resources go towards inefficient and wasteful deportation proceedings. It goes towards the incarceration of tens of thousands of illegal immigrant criminals. Citizenship, and its rights and responsibilities, still means something to a large number of legal residents in this country. The sanctimonious moralizing is tiresome- especially as it is coming from the wealthy who benefit from the exploitation of slave labor even as they undermine and destroy entire communities of citizens. For many tens of millions of citizens US policy is clear: citizen rights take a back-seat to the ability of the rich to exploit the suffering of the worlds poor, destroy the US working class and sell it all as compassion.
Thought Provoking (USA)
It is tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the bottom 90% that is the major cause of income inequality. Can you post any credible proof for any of your assertions? Also, Americans have become lazy and entitled and don’t want to move to new jobs or even be retrained for new jobs. Construction, Farming and other lower level jobs are not taken up by Americans because it is too hard. There is. Severe shortage of technical skills but Americans find it too hard to acquire those skills. Without immigration this country will be like Japan. Japanese economy is stuck in neutral with high debt and no easy solution because the population is declining and there simply are not enough people to even pay for the retirees. Who is gonna pay for the retiring boomers Medicare/SS or take care of the boomers? Who is gonna create the companies of the future without smart Asian immigrants? 20 years ago 75% of the Forbes global 2000 companies were from Europe/USA and Japan. Today it is down to less than 50% with China and India making the gains. Today China and India are #2 and #3 in VC funding. Without talented immigrants coming here we will lose the future to Asia. Immigration is the life blood of America without which we will go down the drain. we are only 5 % of the world market and Europe is declining because their population is declining. You want America to suffer the same fate?
Charles Edwards (Arlington, VA)
That's utter baloney. The idea that there are hordes of illegal immigrant criminals is nonsense -- immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born people. The resources you talk about are allocated by private companies, which send them overseas or use them to computerize. Get over your grievances and focus on your real problems and real solutions.
mj (ma)
WillT26, But what about the price of tomatoes! Or someone I can pay less to mow my lawn or clean my house or .....
toom (somewhere)
When will Stephan Miller be ejected from the US government? When will we be freed from the cloud over the US caused by Trump's election?
ExhaustedFightingForJusticeEveryDay (In America)
Some of the comments, coming from so-called assimilated immigrants and minorities, are shocking. This is like women who support wars, more guns and more punitive or controlling policies and laws just to convince their macho men how like men they can be. It seems some immigrants and naturalized citizens operate the same way. Come to Dallas, where third rate immigrants and naturalized citizens, with third rate thinking, talk down to me because I am a new comer...to Texas, and have been boldly critical of some Americans policies and values because I read, think, travel and see beyond the glitz, beyond the PR and don't believe my brain cells, pride, good things in my history and culture, independence have to be sacrificed or compromised to be "American". Good or great America was not built that way. I noticed in Dallas that some long term immigrants, who would be treated like dirt bags by locals and many Anglos, other than for the obedient work they do, show off to new comers like me, talking down to me...because I have lived abroad, and even to Green card holders with PhDs. Typical of colonized fools who think that playing the status game is the way to be American. Having a good immigration policy is one thing, but assimilating into a non thinking America is another. Many of these old naturalized citizens in the South are definitely the latter category.
JABUSSE (los angeles)
Dreamers seem to think if their parents steal a car and give it to them they not only get to keep it, the person from whom it was stolen has to pay the upkeep. That is a nightmare to the one who lost the car. In the context of illegal immigration that person is the american people who pay the tax for all the services and government provided things the illegal uses and it is also the illegals countryman who did not cut in line. Both of the people stolen from need to be fully paid back before the illegal dreamer should be able to stay. No one likes a line cutter. No one.
Thought Provoking (USA)
The Europeans who came to America illegally and uninvited are the ultimate line cutters. They not only killed the native Americans but brought in slaves to work for them for free. Without the free land taken from the native people and free labor to farm the stolen land where do you think European immigrants will be today? Many of the Irish and Italian immigrants came here poor, uneducated and brought all the ills from their poor countries. You think they should have been stopped from immigrating?
Jcaz (Arizona)
A tiger doesn't change his stripes. Trump most likely said these horrible things.
d ascher (Boston, ma)
it seems so out of character terms for him to rant and say racist things. He loves "my African-Americans" and some of his best friends are not Americans. He has even had two immigrant wives. And his mother was an immigrant. It is unthinkable that Mr. Trump would ever harbor any animosity toward immigrants or have any racist thoughts, let alone rant about them even in private. He is kind, even tempered, well spoken, well informed, loves the little people who day after day perform the repetitive mind numbing tasks without complaint, ... oops wait. That was Queen Elizabeth. We are blessed as a nation to have Mr. T lead us and use his amazing, unmatched deal making ability, to less us all into the abyss and drag the rest of the world allong with us.
Steve Snow (Suwanee,ga)
Democracy reduced... every single day... by the man who represents it around the globe.
Ed A (Boston)
Even Archie Bunker would be ashamed and disgusted by this foul pool of sludge. In less than a year, he and his Republiscum accomplices have succeeded in taking the United States of America from its high point of being a beacon of hope and opportunity to running down the path of becoming a banana republic, which is what ALEC and the major GOP contributors are actively seeking, and a rogue nation. Vladimir Putin must be delighted that the return on his investment in Benedict Trump has paid off far beyond he could possibly have imagined, and he has caused far more damage to the fabric of American life than Osama bin Forgotten could have dreamed as a goal for Al Qaeda.
Martin (Germany)
CNN now reports that the WH is "strongly" denying the claims made in this article. That's a problem, since nobody believes what comes out of the WH anymore. It all started with Sean Spicer and the crowd size at the inauguration (back then we thought it was funny!) and it went downhill, steeply, from there... Some of the "senior staff" are reported to have said they "can't remember" Trump saying "AIDS" or "huts". Well, after we've seen the love-fests that accompany even the smallest executive or legislative gain we can't trust this "senior staff" either anymore. They are all sycopants of Trump. That's not random, that's by design, he's chosen them and made them swear loyalty to him, so what can we expect. The Trump era will end (hopefully, there's always the "Martial Law" option...) at some point. I wonder how the next president will restore honor and truth to the Oval Office, the White House, the executive, the government and the nation as a whole. I wonder if - for example - all these EPA scientists will come back, or the diplomats. What kind of a titan of a person the next president needs to be in order to undo the damage caused be DJT and the GOP! I know that the 22th amendment prohibits Barack Obama from running again, but could you not make an exception? Just this once? Purleeese, pretty please??? For the good of the nation, you know? Because I don't see any Democrat on the horizon who could right this ship again, except for the guy who already did it once...
RB (West Palm Beach)
Trump is advancing his hateful immigration agendas after stoking the fears of the American people. The negative repercussions of Trump will be felt for many years to come.
rranch wife (California)
The White House denies that Trump ever said all Haitians had AIDS. They offer up General Kelly as a witness re the denial. So sad. We all remember General Kelly from the reporting done regarding the death of Sgt. Johnson in Niger.We are all aware that General Kelly has all the character traits possessed by the President,
Mike (NYC)
For better or worse, right or wrong, this IS the President's call. Foreigners on foreign soil have no Constitutional rights. If you don't like it, next time elect someone else.
Carol lee (Minnesota)
Actually, they do have constitutional rights. Check it out.
JP (CT)
The people did. A slaveowners’ pork-barrel provision jammed into the consitution negated that choice.
Paul (Virginia)
America DID BY SOME 3Million more votes!
Will (Kenwood, CA)
Wait, so Trump is racist and abusive to his staff in private settings too? Wow - that IS news. Meanwhile, have they started drilling in Alaskan designated wilderness yet?
Thomas Dorman (Ocean Grove NJ 07756)
Recently, Trump inexplicably decided to include Chad on the list of banned countries in the third iteration of his Muslim Ban. There is a war going on in the Sahel of Africa against ISIS and Boko Haram. Chad is a staunch ally of the United States in this war. So, what on Earth would motivate Trump to add Chad on the list of banned counties in the third iteration of his Muslim Ban? When it went public that Chad was on the list, it became very likely to inevitable that there would be a massacre of American Armed Forces in neighboring Niger. Chad had a lot of troops in Niger, and after it went public that they were included in the Muslim Ban, they predictably withdrew their troops from neighboring Niger, leaving American Armed Forces badly outnumbered there. Why did Trump do this? Is he just really really stupid or did he do it because he thought that a massacre of American Armed Forces by Muslims was in his political interest? I am tempted to say that no one could be THAT stupid, but maybe I am wrong about this and he really is THAT stupid. No wonder Trump refuses to talk about the massacre in Niger.
David Honeywell (California)
Point of view is everything. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achieveme... Teddy Roosevelt on immigration: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American … There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Karen Spear Ellinwood (Tucson AZ)
We don’t need to call on Teddy Roosevelt to find our footing on immigration. That time period was not a welcoming one for newcomers to the United States. We need to establish a welcoming atmosphere that is based in our constitutional principles and the nation’s Better Angels. Non citizens are entitled to constitutional protections under the Bill of Rights. The founders wrote it that way deliberately. The language is “person” - not citizen, and the United States Supreme Court has determined that it means what it says. So let’s appeal to our Better Angels, as Lincoln would have us do, and be a better America. Stop Trump’s administration from continuing this war against immigrants and American ideals. Trump has made it clear that his administration intends to do America harm. Proof: Trump has appointed only those who seek to undermine the mission of the cabinet positions they hold. Starve the beast is their motto and they are well on their way toward that dystopia - if we let them. So thank goodness the 9th Circuit is doing its part. Let’s hope the USSC does the right thing when the cases percolate to to the top.
Eric Hermeyer (Memphis)
So, Trump's worldview is acceptable because over a hundred years ago, when women and black folks couldn't vote, another President felt the same way? Do you think your little historical anecdote is somehow profound truth that legitimizes Trump's fear of foreign melanin?
bea durand (us)
And Trump will make sure that any illegals working at his hotels, construction sites, and many houses, will not be deported so they can continue to serve him and the royal family.
M.Z. (California)
I would love to see all news papers NOT to write anything about Trump for one week. His name is poisoning us. If something is real important to put in the news let's use #45, we all know who that is and many people who don't want to use his actual name are using #45 anyway. This would send him to the loony house, he thrives on publicity that is how he was elected with his name constantly on front page (free advertising ) and that is how he will be re-elected. His name is grooved so deeply in our memory that the check mark will be his.
HarmlessHemp (Planet Earth)
If the media had ignored Trump when he came down the escalator all those years ago, we would not be in the mess we are in today. The media is responsible for this man being president. They should have had ignored him years ago.
mj (ma)
The developed world is weary of egregious overpopulation. The US and Europe should not be compelled to destroy themselves because other nations refuse to embrace family planning. It should not be the end goal of peoples from other nations to immigrate to the US, Europe and Australia. Stop birthright citizenship. This is being abused. No DACA.
Thought Provoking (USA)
The US and Europe went to Africa, Middle East and Americas and plundered their wealth, rode slave labor to economic greatness, raped and killed the natives by millions and then washed their hands away and walked out leaving the native people to deal with the mess they created. You can’t say it is all history and then expect the abused and repressed people to figure it all out when American corporations are stationed their to exploit them forever. First step in becoming more civilized and make progress is to accept responsibility and end the denial. Are you fine with history judging white people as heinous and short sighted when millions were killed and millions of species died during their watch? And in the end what do you really achieve and to what end? How much wealth and greed is enough? A civilized and powerful world will be generous, smart, gracious and responsible for the upkeep of the world NOT support endless plunder and greed. Tribal instincts are dangerous because the tribe will keep segregating on one basis or another into sub groups. If TRIBALISM and Homogeneity makes a nation strong then Europe should be a single entity but it is not. Why not ? Because there is no common values, shared goals, ideals and dreams. That is what binds America together. You remove the shared values, goals and ideals we become Like Europe and dis-integrate.
Asem (Southern California)
Africa's blood and resources have been the foundation of the Modern Western Nation-State since its inception in 1648. 100m blacks perished in the slavery trade that built the Western Hemisphere and the entire continent's resources was blundered to build Western Europe during the Scramble and Partition for Africa. Time is a cruel thing.
Charles Shafer (Baltimore, MD)
So what is your opinion about Republican sabotaging every effort of supporting family planning throughout the world?
Hanan (New York City)
First, we've all heard and know Trump has no friends. He started out his meeting with a big lie. No friends had called him. Second, his wife was once an immigrant. Third, his grandfather arrived in America, an immigrant. If both had not arrived in this country, Trump would be in Poland or Germany whichever his family origins really are and his son Barron-- who knows. He would not have met Melania. We wouldn't know of him. Fourth, Trump cares nothing about any thoughts about him with the exception of those we hear are a part of his "base." Without them, he has no polling numbers at all. He is like a cat with 9 lives trying to please his base every single day. And fifth, He is not President in the sense that he has concerns for all Americans. He cares first for himself, then his family and so as to not be humiliated entirely as POTUS, his base. He is obnoxiously inept and he possibly knows everyone knows this about him. So he is angry all of the time. Finally, Trump has never worked for anyone other than his Father. He knows no rules, no boundaries, no policies, no one he thinks he has to respect. He is the most miserable person and President ever. His demons are his daily burden and everyone else's so long as he remains in the WH. Like he voiced the other day about the members of the UN, "we don't care." "We" is him and he alone. He listens to no one. Worse, he has no agenda other than not being tossed out of the WH, found out about his Russian collusion.
Kay Walsh (Sacramento)
More news from unnamed sources to trash the president, the longer the media keeps this up the more likely it is the Democrats lose more seats in 2018. We can't take care of our own people properly. Shut down immigration and get a policy like Canada based on merit.
Emmett (Detroit)
Donald Trump was elected President of the United States.......I still can’t believe it.
areader (us)
"He's always had anxiety about food and safety when he travels” - what an awful human being!
MaryKayklassen (Mountain Lake, Minnesota)
This issue of immigration is a multi issue discussion that has been growing for several decades. My husband lived through his entire teaching career from the beginning when they were told not to ask or report anything about those who were here illegally from Mexico. The kids used to be in the schools part of the year and go back to Texas, but they were really from Mexico, as the parents traveled back and forth in jobs related to agricultural, more seasonal then. It was very difficult for him to even have information, such as phone numbers, plus he would have to go search out the parent or parents to talk to about any number of situations related to their kids. My son rode with a Hispanic boy, where they both worked in a factory in the summer. My son, fluent in Spanish in high school, ran one of the lines. The plant would have my son translate police reports as few running these plants spoke Spanish. The girls would all drop out of school once they got pregnant, and get married, as it was their culture as Catholics, not to use birth control, usually not staying in school. For several decades, those from Australia, Asia, Africa, Central and South America, Europe, which includes Russia, intentionally overstayed their Visas, and not having any accountable way to check on them, and send them home, millions are here. The costs to taxpayers in counties, school districts, states, and the needs of businesses, and the H1B Visa, and the list goes on!!!!!
hquain (new jersey)
You mean having 'them' pick our food and assemble our goods wasn't free to taxpayers! The world is unfair.
S B Lewis (Lewis Family Farm, Essex, N. Y.)
Prof. Alexander Meiklejohn would know what to do with this president. Rep. Barbara Jordan would know what to do. Sens. Howard Baker and Sam Ervin would know. Jack Anderson would know. FBI’s #2, W. Mark Felt acted. His wife committed suicide. It takes courage and smarts.