And people ask why women don't come forward. If a grown woman is ridiculed and raked over the coals can you imagine what would have happen if as teenage girls they told this story. Religion has nothing to do with morality because you don't need any religion to be a moral person.
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"There's a special place in hell for people who prey on children." True, though her father's message is that they're only slightly older, they're fair game.
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Listening to the news of late, it appears that the United States of America is full of predators, racists, nazis, and frauds in all branches of government. Make America Great? The biggest disaster of all times! UGH!
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Now we hear that the Alabama state GOP (Groping Old Pedophiles) is standing by "Judge" Roy Moore. I hope they have the sense to keep their underage daughters safe from this "man of God".
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For Ivanka Trump to call this man out is the height of hypocrisy. Her own father is guilty of stating that he'd like to date her, and there are more than a few icky photos of them together, mostly of her sitting on his lap with her arms draped around him, and him grabbing her by her bottom. Her father is an admitted sexual assaulter saying he likes to just grab them by their private parts. I'm so sick and tired of the hypocrites and liars.
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"Hey good looker, would you like to see the inside of an actual Alabama jail cell? I can take you there for a special, personal visit. I'm a famous D.A." One of Roy Moore's favorite teenager pick-up lines, at the mall, between those Orange Julius's.
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It's a liberal wittch hunt until the evidence becomes so overwhelming that even the ultra-religious have to cut him loose. Moore might have had an out with an apology and and a boys will be boys story, but to flat out lie is just not working.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Gee lady, I didn't think it was God that led us to perv on young (teenage) women. That Alabama Christian God you worship, he must be something else.
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Alabama Republicans, please step off the plantation!
It's in your best interest to embrace a new way of thinking. All men, women, boys and girls are created equal.
Moore has been attempting to hide his sins behind a 1 ton granite replica of the 10 Commandments. Instead, he resembles a guilty fool hiding behind his own thumb. For those who wish to follow him...
We see you!
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It is an alleged pedophile versus a confirmed democrat. It's Alabama. The race will be close for sure.
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So all those Moore voters in Alabama are perfectly fine having 30-something year old men hitting on - and perhaps sexually assaulting - their very young daughters, granddaughters, nieces, cousins, neighbors, students, family friends?
No words would be had? No fists thrown? No calling 911 to report your precious angel - she's only 14, for goodness sake!!!!! - is being bothered by a disgusting old pervert? They'd be, like, totally hunky-dory with it? Really?
For real?????
I can't even begin to think about living in that kinda screwed up head space.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Because, if he's not led by God, then by golly, he'd have done it all by himself, and he'd have to take responsibility for it. All of you so-called Christians would. No one could blame all the horrible things people do to each other on some kind of weird God who 'leads' men to sexually assault girls. Your Christian 'forgiveness' might have a slightly different smell to it if we are all simply acting as humans do, with no one to blame but ourselves.
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"The yearbook signature is a forgery," This from the man who had his wife FORGE the support of 50 pastors in a FAKE letter.
Seriously?
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In this article - the final paragraph captures the philosphy of all of moore's supporters in a nut shell:
"All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what," said Pamela Hicks.
A 30yr okd man chasing teen age girls and assaulting them is Christian but the teen girl who tells of the destruction of youthful faith toward someone who could be her parent is not Christian.
And his behavior toward these young girls is led by God?????
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“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
What? Are christians being attacked widely? Are there trains hauling them off to camps?
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I've "hit on" a few high school girls in my time but I was a high school boy at the time
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Oh and two have accused Al Franken and I heard something on Sylvester Stallone. Look the world of women seem to have been abused but everyone kept quiet for 10, 20, 30, 40 years and all of those Hollywood types got jobs and paid so they kept quiet. It is not "party specific" yet the liberals let Bill Clinton pass on it. Seems like everything comes around that goes aroumd.
“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
welcome to the formerly republican party; clueless is as clueless does.
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If Moore is elected, Republicans will throw him out of the Senate. Otherwise he'll drag the rest down with him. If it's even possible for them to sink any lower.
Meanwhile, northeast Alabama, or wherever he is from, needs to be cordoned off and declared a Superfund site.
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With all the attention rightly focused on Moore’s abhorrent behavior, we are forgetting that equally if not more disgusting and repugnant charges have been made against Trump. Chris Riotta of Newsweek has an article today where he states that Trump “has also been accused of sexual harassment or assault by at least 16 women” and “accused of rape and attempted rape a total of three times, once involving an alleged victim who was a year younger than Moore's accuser.” In the assault against the 13 year-old, the “account was corroborated by a witness in the suit, who claimed to have watched as the child performed various sexual acts on Trump and Epstein even after the two were advised she was a minor.” The online version of the article has a link to the complaint filed by the victim. Where are the Republicans (or Democrats for that matter) on this one? It is time both parties shed their silence and protection for the sexual predators in their ranks. The case of the predator-in-chief should at the top of the agenda and the headlines.
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“He’s led by God and that’s all that matters.”
Wow. How willfully blind can people get? You mean that what a person does has no bearing on who he is? You judge a person based on what they say about themselves?
These are the people voting in our country.
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Tragically, I predict that Mr. Moore will win in a landslide (they went for Trump, after all).
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Here's one fact regarding Roy Moore's behavior that is beyond debate: if a man over 30 years of age has to ask his potential date's mother's permission, SHE'S TOO YOUNG.
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Lost in all this discussion is the likelihood that Moore's accusers tempted Mr. Moore. I'd like to know more about how these women carried themselves. Were they modestly dressed with neutrally colored, loose-fitting clothes or did their clothing highlight their feminine attributes? Did they keep their hair tied tight to their heads or did they allow it to flow? Did they adorn themselves with jewels and wear perfume? Did they speak in a feminine tone of voice or did they attempt to lower their voices when addressing him? Did they smile at him and look him in the eye or did they maintain an appropriately blank countenance and avert their eyes? You cannot blame Moore if he was teased and tempted by these she-devils and then they turn around and accuse him of sexual impropriety.
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Some people have a persecution complex and take a perverse sense of pride in it. So it is with these folks. They love it if they can portray themselves as martyrs to a cause, even when that cause is unjust and undeserving. They call themselves "Christian" in order to fall under the umbrella of Christian faiths that developed from the story of Jesus, but they're not Christian at all, since clearly a number of commandments are being violated here.
For them, "Christian" has evolved into a code word amongst fellow travelers. Just slip the words "God," "church" or "prayer" into any conversation with them and you'll see an immediate change in their attitude. These people will do or say anything to protect each other, no matter what they've done and regardless of any personal sense of responsibility or conscience. So it is with Moore.
So let's make a deal. Every precinct that supports Roy Moore will be required to house 10 sex offenders from other states after their release from prison until they're 70 years old.
It would be the Christian thing to do.
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"Mr. Moore had been banned from the mall."
Now how do we ban him from the Senate?
(Or are the ethical requirements less stringent there than in the mall?)
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The daughter of some close friends was victim of a predictor at her school (coach, and church youth leader, too) a decade ago. He threatened the safety of her and family if she revealed. It took her moving two states away for College before she felt safe enough to phone home and reveal the trauma.
And even then, many in the church community turned against the family for daring to bring such disharmony to the community. The daughter was subject to dreadful experiences as result and news stories in small community paper. Further trauma.
And that is in very recent past.
Things were much worse for girls and young women challenging authority figures a few decades ago.
So let's not blame the victims for not pushing this to full exposure immediately.
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Let us all remember that the Senate and Senators are served by Senate Pages who are teenagers.
Would you want a teen in your family to be exposed to Moore?
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Moore has been removed as a judge twice due to his refusal to uphold the law. Why would anyone believe that a guy who has no respect for the laws he swore to uphold would have any respect for women?
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Let us be completely clear on this: The upcoming vote in Alabama in the 12/12 election for US Senator will tell the world what sort of people there are in Alabama. Their actions, not our opinions, will tell us. Some groups whine that they are not respected as they should be. That will not be an issue after this election. There will be respect or not around the world based solely on the actions of Alabama voters. Let us see after this election whether Alabama is a place where you will want to visit or its people among those you will want to relate to. Let us see how this comes out.
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It seems to me that if it can be demonstrated that Moore was, in fact, banned from the mall then it is game over. Or at least it should be.
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The forgery that Mr. Moore claims recently does not help him at all. While all the writing in the high school yearbook may not be his, the SIGNATURE surely is. Thus the woman, who claimed that he SIGNED HIS NAME on it, seems to be very credible. It puts Mr. Moore right where she said that he wasn't. After all, why would a D.A sign a yearbook of some 'unknown' teen?
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It is good that a year after Access Hollywood gallantry was exposed in Trump's own voice that women are being believed. It begs the obvious question: Why believe this set of women and not believe the set of women who claim that Trump sexually assaulted them?
Donald's uncharacteristic silence when asked about Moore, on his return from Asia is perhaps explained by this somewhat glaring salient point.
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The United States is morally bankrupt. Why do decent people still support it? The answer is for the separate states to go their own ways. #calexit
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Moore's response is an insult--amazing at how these folks are able to look themselves in the mirror each day..
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Do you mean locker room mirrors?
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400 more women can come out against Roy Moore and the fine Christian folks in Alabama will vote him in.
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The outpouring of vitriol directed at the girls/teens/young women who have come forward to recount their assaults at the hands of this pedophile, Roy Moore is outrageous. Let’s blame the victims some more, shall we? All
I can say is not everyone in Alabama supports this egregious excuse for a
Senate candidate. Does anyone remember that he was removed from the
Alabama Supreme Court not once, but twice??? First time for displaying a monument of the 10 Commandments in his courtroom (hello, separation of church and state!). Second time when he failed to uphold the Federal Supreme Court decision in favor of gay marriage.
Doug Jones, the Democrat candidate, is a far better choice.
I will be voting for him on December 12.
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“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Yes, Led by God. And apparently that's all that matters in Alabama. Bible thumpers display the most bizarre logic imaginable. Hiding behind the Bible is a way of life down there.
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How entertaining to see someone banned from a mall, entering US senate.
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Many of Moore's supporters refer to themselves as Evangelical.
That's like Sarah Huckabee Sanders thinking that she's Christian while coming out every day and lying and spinning for Trump. The self deception is beyond pathetic.
We really are a divided nation now, but I don't think it's divided politically as much as it is in terms of intelligence and education. I think we are divided into two groups - people who can think for themselves and figure out what's actually going on, and people who can't or won't.
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“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
What is wrong with people??!! This statement demonstrates pure lunacy. So if it's true, then what - let him go to confession and say 3 prayers for absolution? This is why religion needs to stay out of politics and our government - "he's led by God" - give me a break!
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Track down Moore 's fellow Vietnam Nam era veterans. Where did Moore spend his R & R leaves, and what did he do for pleasure? Thailand was notorious for such conduct as engaging/forces minors in such degrading sexual activity. Likely though any such knowledge will keep witnesses silent, for fear of self-incrimination.
How does a person become a child molester? When is that impulse planted? When and why is it released and acted upon?
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To the Commenters
Allegations and hearsay is enough for you.
Wait until it happens to you. THEN you'll want to see proof.
He deserves the same.
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Christie, being accused of molestation is not going to happen to me. I suspect that the only people who fear being accused already know they're guilty.
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I guess you didn’t notice - this is not a criminal or even civil trial. It’s about an election and determining if a candidate is fit for a particular position.
Maybe when it's one allegation but not when it's 9 and when it's common knowledge in his home town that he was a teen predator at the mall. At this point, it's well beyond simple hearsay.
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"It could be true, it could be false, but he's led by god, and that's what matters". Se essentially she's saying that pedophilia is great as long it's committed by someone led by god, and that god would indeed be down with pedophilia.
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So if Moore's lawyers have their experts examine the yearbook and cannot prove it's a forgery, will Moore step down and turn himself in? Didn't think so.
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According to the article, "Mr. Jauregui also suggested that a purported message from Mr. Moore to Ms. Nelson in a high school yearbook may have been a forgery, which Mr. Moore’s allies said may have been made using filings related to a divorce case for Ms. Nelson."
This is laughable. Judge Moore's wife, Kayla, asserts because two of the "7s" on the yearbook inscription look negligibly different than the other two "7s" (representing 1977 in all of the cases), then the inscription in Ms Nelson's yearbook is a forgery. Yet at the same time the attorney claims that the signature was lifted from divorce proceedings more than 25 years ago. Well, which is it?
As shown on NBC this morning, Roy Moore's autograph varies from one document to another--as does everyone else's!
I question the reliability of the designated graphologist, but if that person should proceed, then I recommend a simple test: Select 10 random examples of Roy Moore's signature from publicly available documents and mix in 10 forged signatures of Roy Moore. Then subject the graphologist to a test of the blind ability to classify the "real" signatures from the "fake." Unless that person can earn a 100% correct score, I would not accept that person's analysis.
What will destroy Justice Moore will be dispassionate scientific analysis, not faith. But he, his wife and his flock do not get that.
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One of the better things about this story is that it notes that Roy Moore was forced from office by Alabamians in the past. You wouldn't even think that possible had you been listening to some of the over-simplified narratives that today inform too many political perspectives. Those who kicked him out were not liberals, but chamber of commerce types. We know what to do if Moore wins: let him be ejected from the Senate. Here is some advice to my fellow lefties after Roy Moore is defeated and Doug Jones actually wins: Don't just rub it in. Congratulate the people of Alabama who rejected Moore (again), and remind yourself that we all need to -- and actually can -- stand up to the very worst together. That is how you win the future rather than merely congratulate yourself for being in the right.
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women are , by nature, 5o% of the world's population. when ARE we to take a stand, if not now? (thank you to the women globally that have done just that. you have been braver than i.)
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Moore should just stick to bilking donors to his Foundation for Moral Law. Wasn't 180k a year enough for him?
At some point, he's going to go to jail.
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It used to be a naughty bit of entertainment’s selling point to be advertised as “Banned in Boston.” Now, evangelicals are smitten by a guy who was Banned from the Gadsden Mall. And, not for shoplifting or kiting bad checks, but for squicking out the other patrons and employees as a creep in DA’s clothing.
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Heard the interview that Anderson Cooper did with Alabama State Rep, Ed Henry. It's on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F4RDMHW7HY
This is the guy who insisted that anybody (the growing legion of Moore's victims that are coming forward now) who had failed to speak up in the last 40 years concerning Moore's alleged predations should be prosecuted for enabling him.
Interesting concept. Victim as accomplice.
In spite of Anderson Cooper's patience, Henry was absolutely incoherent. The howling illogic Mr. Henry employed was:
1) begin with the conclusion - Roy Moore is "totally innocent"
2) and that "proves" the premise - that Moore could have never done the things he's accused of
Henry tried to elaborate by repeating an aphorism he attributed to his "pappy" - something about about frogs not having wings - but he messed that up, too.
The most disturbing aspect of this whole disgraceful brouhaha is that there are actually people stupid (or deranged) enough to be taken in by that. Talk about the US losing the moral high ground in global opinion.
Maybe they (the infamous "they") really are spiking the water supply in Etowah County with LSD. Seems like it.
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Sweat Home Alabama - NOT! Only in a state like Alabama, with its virtuous christian majority, would we be treated to such a display of hypocrisy and lack or respect for woman. In a day and age when of enlightenment for many about the plight of women who have been oppressed for year, the people of the 'South' (those of Southern Charm, hospitality and civil disposition) make clear that women need to stand down and not be heard. Join that black folk at the back of the line while the rest of the world makes social progress.
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It's hard to admit when you're wrong. Sentient beings down in Alabama are showing us just how hard it is by continuing to support this odious man rather than drop him. They need a way out that saves face and I don't think there is one. So he is probably going to be elected because their pride isn't going to allow the elites up north to tell them when they are wrong. Mercy. What a mess!
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They save face by condemning all pedophiles, and demanding exposure and consequences.
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“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
No, Ms. Hicks, Christians are not always attacked no matter what. Right wing media wants you to think that, but it is not true. Moore is being "attacked", not because he's a "Christian", but because he made enough advances on young women for the whole town to notice, apparently. I cannot say what is in Mr. Moore's heart, but I doubt very much he's being led by God, now or in the past. The proof is in his behavior.
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Do the folks who object to the timing of the women’s accusations live in a vacuum? They are mindlessly repeating lines heard in pro-Moore media. It’s extremely common for victims not to report sexual abuse at the time of the incident. Think people: this is nothing new! Without such widespread coverage of their abuse, how could these women accuse politically powerful men and be taken seriously? Sexual abuse robs victims of their self-worth.
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It is quite clear by now Roy Moore has learned nothing, has no conscience, and continues to deny the allegations, now that 4 more women have stepped forward; making the total 13 women whom have been groped, attacked or molested by Roy Moore. Is it too late to file charges? If not, file them. The character exhibited by Mr Moore is the antithesis of that needed in the United States Senate. Mr Moore is no christian. What is clear is he has no moral or ethical compass which guides the rest of us, including the citizens of Alabama, whom I implore to look within before casting their vote. Who you vote for is who you are as well.
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"[H]e’s led by God, and that’s all that matters." - Moore voter
These people, many of whom apparently vote solely on the issue of abortion, explicitly try to use politics to impose their religious beliefs on others. In this way, they are anti-American values and are the effective equivalent of the Taliban. That's who Roy Moore is.
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It is not my place to judge the sincerity of another person's religious views. But I live in a society governed by secular laws. We all have to obey the laws. Moore does not get that. He thinks that as a judge he can follow his religious ideas and ignore the rulings of a higher court. He thinks that he can molest a fourteen year old girl and since his God forgives him, he is in the clear. How many of the horrors of our contemporary world a committed in the name of religion?-- probably most of them.
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Moore has put himself on the same level as a Hebrew National hot dog. They both answer to a "higher power."
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"it could be true, it could be false, but he's led by God, and that's all that matters." I don't know how to begin to parse this. How could a man who repeatedly assaulted teens be "led by God"?
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His version of god led him led him to assault teens.
Moore should never, ever have held or hold public office of any sort.
Perhaps, though, if the Senate had refused to confirm Jeff Sessions--a known racist, an acknowledged bigot, an apparent liar--as Attorney General, Republicans and the nation-at-large wouldn't be in this particular embarrassing debacle.
It's your mess, Senators. Just one addition to the current cesspool of Republican politics.
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Hey Roy, this is God. Did you really think you could slip one past me?
ZAP!
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I believe people are not giving the irony of this situation enough attention- this man was a prosecutor and a judge - sending other men to jail or prison for the same things he was doing. And it’s a fact that when he was a judge in Calhoun County, he had zero leniency in his sentencing. This man has a god complex like nothing the other 49 states have ever seen. I promise you that! He got it honestly though because he’s gotten away with all his creepy behavior for so long. This man was removed from the bench and people in AL voted him back into office. There is no reasoning with most people in AL regarding these allegations. As long as he keeps up the god talk, the sheeple will follow him anywhere. I hope Mitch McConnell is going to walk the walk when AL sends the Roy Moore crazy train to DC.
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Roy Moore is the poster-man-child for the Republican party. Hypocrite. Liar. Misanthrope. Coward. Fool.
The party deserves him. Go ahead and let him be elected. He's the icing on their cake.
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In all the history of AMERICA, how many guys have been BANNED from a mall entirely???
Alabama, hold your head even LOWER.
Who goes to the rescue of a person 9 TIMES accused of pedophilia and sexual harassment then, uses the name of GOD as a cover? I'll tell you who, FAKE Christians....that's who does THAT.
You've got to wonder, how many little girls actually gave in to that beast and (understandably) just have not come forward to relive their 40 yr old tragedies all over again only to be called "liars" by their fellow Alabamans. So sad, I wanna CRY (or fisticuffs!)!!
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So Roy Moore and caught in the cookie jar? How much more guilty can you be when you deny your own signature? I am grateful to his victim saving that note from the pedophile.
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Allegations and hearsay is enough for you.
Wait until it happens to you. THEN you'll want to see proof.
He deserves the same.
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I've been the victim of sexual assault and I know what it is like to not be believed. Don't make assumptions about me.
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Christie,
He deserves no prison sentence yet for reasons you state. But he does NOT deserve public office and the perks that USSenators have while his character and the question of him being a serial, longstanding pedophile is so strong.
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These liars are using god as their shield. How shameful!
What's worst are the fools that blindly follows them.
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A handwriting analysis of Moore might be interesting.
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45* is locked in ironic silence! Everyone can find something good in THAT.
The biggest mouth on the planet with something (unenlightened) to say about EVERYTHING is mum on this one. The silence you hear is actually the sound of squirming!
A Pulitzer moment awaits the first journalist to ask 45* "Do you believe the women?". I guarantee you Donald will pretend for cameras that no question was even asked!!
* = illegit as a leader and TOTALLY a sexual harasser himself!!
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He has been studiously ignoring shouted questions from reporters on this very topic ever since he got back from Asia. You better believe he doesn't want to invite any scrutiny of the Donald on this matter!
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“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”nyt
You know that gif of someone smacking their head against a wall...
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God is leading (or has ever led) Roy Moore (or anyone else) to seduce under-aged girls? Pamela Hicks. Really? You really believe that?
In case you didn't notice, the accusations are of a self-described 'Christian' (I use the term loosely) seducing Christian girls.
We're up to nine now. What will it take for you to believe even one of them?
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C'mon NYT--Headline should be "Trump--MIA". Lobbing softballs at him.
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AS the Chairman of the "Death and Taxes" Party, I would like to announce our support for Judge Roy Moore.
1. While the Death and Taxes Party condemns any and all sexual predator behavior, and we suspect that Judge Roy Moore is indeed guilty of this behavior......we also suspect that Judge Roy Moore is little worse than the current membership of the US Senate.
2. The overwhelming evidence concerning the development of the Judge Roy Moore Scandal forces us to conclude that morality is NOT the issue. The over-riding issue is for Entrenched Political Powers to manipulate the citizens of Alabama into defeating someone who does not share loyalty to WashDC, but instead claims a loyalty to his constituents, to the US Constitution, and is percieved as a threat to the aging Status Quo of WashDC.
3. The Death and Taxes Party believes it is far more important to "walk thru the hot coals, the trial by fire" and elect the better political agenda....than it is to timidly surrender to the cynical, manipulative forces of a WashDC power structure that is guiding the ship of state onto the rocks of destruction.
4. After the election is over, the Judge will have his day in court. At that time justice will be served. Only two things in life are inevitable.....DEATH and TAXES.
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Revisionism is a dangerous weapon. Judging people for acts that took place in a time and place very different from where we are now politically and ethically will inevitably lead to some odd and hard-to-accept conclusions.
But irrespective of whether or not the acts of a man in his 30's -- who later may not have behaved in a similar way as he grew older -- is sufficient to disqualify him for office now, it certainly looks and feels like one heck of a political hit job.
If it is successful in derailing his candidacy, we'll likely see even worse in the future, because the bar will have been lowered even further . . . It will be certainly entertaining to watch . . .
"Judging people for acts that took place in a time and place very different from where we are now"
Tell that to the 2nd Amendment people. Or the Evangelicals who want Christian-Shariah law imposed on all of us. Moore is getting what he deserves, also called KARMA.
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Must have missed that decade when it was OK for a 30 year old man to force himself on a 14 year old.
There has never been anything "ethical" about attempted rape of a teenage girl - even 40 or 50 years ago.
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Is there ANYONE in this country who isn't a sexual harassing predator (besides me)?
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If only these girls had had the presence of mind to wear clothing with the Ten Commandments printed on them, because one thing we know about Roy Moore, he will not remove the Ten Commandments.
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Handwriting experts? Do men really think that "coming out" is self-aggrandizement? That women do this for the spotlight? This is one of the hardest things any woman would ever do. That there are more coming forward is no real surprise...there is strength in numbers. If they can do it, I can do it - and maybe he will be stopped. No one is ruining Mr Moore's good name except Mr Moore.
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Substitute Roy Moore's name with any teacher, or healthcare worker and they would be out of a job!!
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Unless his name was Bill Clinton.
Do not let this man anywhere near the Washington Mall.
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Why would anyone want him in the Senate if he was not even wanted inside a shopping mall? Spare us all Alabama and quit making yourselves the laughing stock of this nation.
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Geez, Minnesota resident. You sent Al Franken to the Senate. See his photo today? And his allegations are from this century.
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It doesn't matter what century the allegations are from, AZPurdue. (And Al Franken's disgusting behavior doesn't get a pass in my book either, just for the record.) The point is Moore assaulted young and vulnerable girls as a grown man in a position of power. He committed terribly egregious acts and, worse still, seems totally unrepentant. If the patrons and owners of that Alabama shopping mall didn't want him around, why in the world should he expect to be welcomed in the Senate?
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To AZPurdue: you’re overlooking one small fact, namely that this accusation against Al Franken only JUST came out. How on earth could Eva or any other Minnesota resident have voted against Al Franken because of this when it only became known today?
Further, examine the facts of this one accusation against Franken and compare them with the details of the MULTIPLE offenses of Roy Moore. Do they really look the same to you?
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This article was pretty much nuetral on the subject of religion, the wisdom, or lack thereof, of the voting public, and politics in Alabama in general, sticking pretty much to just reporting the facts. However, even a cursory review of the comments, many readers have used it to bash Alabama, Trump voters, Christians in general, the president, and Repubicans. To me, they show little concern on their part for the possible victims of abuse, because all they are doing, even while they haughtily express their own moral and intellectual superiority to Moore, Alabamans, Trump voters, etc., is using the victims to try to score cheap political points.
For whatever he did or claims he didn't do with regard to the women, Moore just doesn't seem like the kind of person that I would want to represent me in a court of law or in the Senate. At the very least, he appear to think that county, state and federal laws, not to mention the laws of decency, do not apply to him. If I lived in Alabama, I would not vote for him.
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Moore’s dating habits are creepy now but were acceptable in 1970’s Alabama. If the Al Franken groping is true, then it’s criminal. Even if it isn’t, he creeps me out and I don’t want him as a senator.
My point, however, is that we have proof of this incident. Moore could argue that we don’t of his, and that if Franken gets to stay, why can’t he. And if Franken does get to stay, well, Moore would have a very sad point.
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"Get to stay"? Franken was elected. If he committed a sex crime, he should be prosecuted if the statute of limitations does not bar prosecution. If his fellow senators are convinced he committed a sex crime, whether or not he is prosecuted they have the power to expel him and they should.
Moore has not been elected. If he is elected, the same thing applies to him. If the other senators are convinced he committed sex crimes, they have the power to expel him, and they should.
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Where there's stink, there's a skunk.
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Moore supporter: “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Wow. Just wow.
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Let's make ex comedian Al Franken ex senator soon! This disgusting behaviour as we all know is bipartisan.
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It could seem somewhat unusual for a 30+ year old man to date an 18-year old woman, though, there's substantial evidence of many such relationships generating long-lasting, loving marriages that were socially-acceptable.
But if some of the women were in fact minors at the time he asked to date them, if those allegations are true, then THAT would be unacceptable.
CONVERSELY, this man has been a public figure / judge for decades and has entered many elections. Where were these accusers then?
The allegations are approximately 40-years old. Memories morph and fade. It's been 4-decades, why wait so long?
Hasn't this man stood up for so many values that have made America great and for which have come under attack, especially over the last decade?
Even if all of the allegations are true (and there's substantial inaccuracy and exaggeration in most of the echo-chamber reports [number of allegations, severity, sensationalistic-language, conflicting and changing corroboration,]) to most people, this MSM hatchet-job reeks of politics, much more so than possible advocacy for these women, irregardless of accuracy.
3 of the stories I read vilified this man, for, essentially asking single women out on dates, and, in one instance, kissing one and or grabbing her butt, 40-year ago.
When juxtaposed against the cesspool of the 70's and of present-day, these allegations, even if true, are mild.
Fake News 101:Moore can't recall ever propositioning numerous underage teenagers at the Mall when he was in his 30's, but he is 100% sure he never signed a year book 30 +years ago. He demands a handwriting expert to prove that all his accusers are liars.
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The top story of the HuffPost is that Senator Al Franken has been accused of groping a woman. And the picture sure does back up the claim.
So, are the Dems going to demand that Al resign? Will they just have him read a Kevin Spacey apology hoping all is forgiven?
I do not see how Franken can stay in office while demanding that Moore be barred from office when they are both accused of harassing and assaulting women. And it will be interesting to see what Bill Maher has to say about all of this:)
Look at the photo of Franken again. His hands are not touching her. And Franken hasn't been barred from any shopping malls in Minnesota because he stalks young girls.
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One is accused of harassing women, which is terrible enough. The other is accused of being a pedophile. That's a different league.
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Isn’t there an important question going unaddressed here? Why does Mr. Moore lust so to be a US Senator? His own inane defense and bombastic, warped religiosity suggest there is only one reason: to be a bomb thrower and blow up the Senate. Is that what Alabamians want? Is that what Republicans want? Does his candidacy portend the death rattle of the Bannon “revolution?” All of the above?
Roy Moore seems to be at the same time a hand puppet of a false god and a tool of a false prophet.
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Crickets from Trump. Three-card monte from Hannity. And let's carbon date that yearbook, by all means. God is in the details!
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If Roy Moore is truly 'God-fearing' he should be scared to death right now. 'Cause God ain't very happy with him.
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"He's led by God"???? What about that commandment about false testimony?
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I used to refuse to consider whether a politician had an affair, or was divorced, swore a lot, or smoked pot when they were in college, etc. etc. so long as it did not appear to impact their qualifications for the job in question, or indicate a that they would to perform that job improperly. I am starting to move towards considering the "ewwwww" factor a little more now because of people like Moore, in recognition of the fact that no one wants to work with people like this no matter what important goal they might be striving to accomplish.
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Is that you, Al Franken?
"...no one wants to work with people like this no matter what important goal they might be striving to accomplish." Unless of course he's Donald Trump or any of his rabid supporters or perhaps a Republican Senator who is worried about losing his majority in the Senate.
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I wouldn't care too much if he'd just been interested in teenagers. But he's actually accused of being a predator: deceiving them to get them in situations where they're vulnerable, sexually assaulting them, nearly raping them and causing longterm emotional damage to them.
“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
This is beyond disgusting. I have never known God to lead men into accosting and assaulting young women and girls.
Meanwhile, nine women have now come forward to tell their stories. Apparently, they finally feel empowered to tell what happened to them. They are not lying.
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Let this sink in so you understand the depravity of their moral and ethical viewpoint: They'd rather have a pedophile than a Democrat. They'd turn down fresh air if it came from a Democrat and gladly inhale poison smoke from a Republican. If reason and morality don't matter in guiding their principles, what else can be said in a society of share governance? This is zealotry not representative democracy.
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But the mooching hypocrites of Alabama have no problem taking handouts from the hardworking, net-contributor blue states.
"In Alabama, residents see $2.46 in return for every dollar paid in federal income tax, which ranks third highest in the US. 36.64% of Alabama's state revenue is comprised of federal funds, which is 11th highest in the country. "
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What all this scandal shows is that Evangelicals do not have any moral ground to stand on, and that all their Christian values are just a cover. What they are really aiming for is the restoration of a patriarchal family structure and the imposition of their religion (not moral values, but hierarchy) on the rest of society. It is OK if a man abuses their young daughter, as long as he defends posting the ten commands in a court of law and (Christian) prayer in schools. Men in power do not have to be virtuous themselves, but impose their beliefs on everyone else. If you are accused of anything, the Christian beliefs of the judge have more weight than the law. So, if you are not a Christian, the law will be against you no matter what, If you are not Christian, your kids will be nevertheless indoctrinated at school, and rejected if they resist. The same goes for other democratic institutions in this country. The want to go back to the time when "all men are created equal" meant only white men. And if they are in the minority and don't get what they want, they will continue this game of attacks to civil society while playing the role of the victim at the same time. That explains that they don't care about his behavior, their "moral" priorities are elsewhere.
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Allegations such as these are troubling. They are nearly impossible to prove, and the default is to believe the women, with no consideration for the men in the case that the allegations are false.
no consideration !?
he's been a DA and a judge !! if half of what half of these women say is true he'd have to put HIMSELF in jail
get real ...
Chalk one up for Neil Young and "agin'" Lynyrd Skynyrd for this one.
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When several women all say the same thing it's pretty much the truth. Subpoena his personal internet traffic I guarantee there's some perverted material about teenage girls he's viewing.
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When I read some of the statements attempting to defend Roy Moore's behavior I'm reminded of the Seinfeld episode where the morally questionable George advises Jerry: “It’s not a lie . . . if you believe it.”
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It is insane to defend Roy Moore, who's built his entire ugly career on thumping the Bible and screaming about good old-fashioned Christian decency and the need to return to that happy day when men were men, women were Respected, and we celebrated the Family.
If you want to yell at Bill Clinton or whoever, yell at them. If you want to yell about them polly-ticians in Washington (though how this works aince you got the President and Congress you wanted, I've no idea), yell about that. If you need to thump the Bible and demand a Return to Jesus, go right on ahead.
But defending this guy is crazy.
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It's odd that the defense is to point to Clinton, who was impeached.
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Exactly when would be a better time for these survivors to come forward? If not at the peak moment where the perpetrator is about to be given more power, what is the right time? If not when women are finally being believed and receiving the support they deserve, when? When? When?
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Timing seems to be a problem for the conservatives. The timing for discussing the tragedy in Vegas has still not been approved.
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the problem with this is that moore is being judged by today's standards of acceptable behavior and the current hysteria where everyone is claiming abuse of some kind. things were much different 30-40 years ago being much more lenient and tolerant as to what guys could get away with particularly in certain regions of the country. now the underage lack of legal consent accusation is problematic for moore but the other conduct would have been considered weird or unusual but hardly unprecedented for that time period.
and let's not forget that moore was probably getting ambivalent and mixed signals from these girls as they are very common for any teenager. furthermore his lack of social awareness in these situations may have been deficient; it's no excuse but this was a period of time when saying no was not really as accepted as saying no might be today.
outside interference with this election is disgraceful and a signal that alabama voters need some snooty, elite washington types to make decisions for them. if they want to elect moore they will and senate leadership will have no legal
alternative to stop it and no legal grounds to hold ethics hearings or expulsion votes absent some disqualifying conduct while a member of the senate.
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Personally, I've always meant "No" when I said "No" in every era. Meaning of the word hasn't changed as far as I know.
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Perhaps he should not be judged by today's standards. On the other hand, 40 years ago he was supposedly banned from a mall; one must assume that was based not on today's standards but on those in place at the time.
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Right. So, she voted for Donald Trump but is bent on defeating Moore's run for the Senate on political grounds? That makes sense.
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The false news memes promoted by Breitbart et al make it almost impossible for anything with facts that contradict faith to get any traction. While we read the NY Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe and try to see multiple sources of sometimes contradictory information the Moore supporters simply live on faith and firm belief that they are fighting for the true cause against the forces of evil (secular multiculturalism). Regardless of how many women come forward, how many inches of column space this gets or hours of airtime the "true believers" will not waiver. They are literally beyond saving.
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How is it that party leadership doesn't have a final say in deciding who ultimately should or should not be their candidate, as these things tend to unfold after primaries are over?
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I'm in no way defending Roy Moore, or the deeds he's been accused of, though I find it most interesting that no one seems to bring up the fact that over 30% (though that number is probably higher) of pedophiles have been victimized by an adult during their own adolescence. This is exemplified even more-so when one factors in the fervent religious overtones and moralities pedophiles impose on society at large in later life.
"Alabama, you've got the weight on your shoulders that's breaking your back... "
Neil Young was right, and apparently they have a way to go.
But then he said:
"Alabama, you've got the rest of the Union to help you along... "
The rest of us are no saints either. Hollywood and Sacramento have both figured prominently in this discussion. Maybe we're all in this together and we all have to help each other to clean this mess up.
If we succeed in cleaning up this mess, not only will we have a more fair society, but we'll have better leadership, leading to improvements leading to overall improvements in our society. It's a win for everyone except the creeps.
Banned from a shopping Mall? Can anyone really say they know of someone who was banned from a shopping mall? And now he may be come a U.S. Senator? Well America elected Trump so anything is now possible.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
And now we understand exactly how the religions can be used to perpetuate abuse.
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And bone-deep ignorance.
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Does Moore's lawyer even know what his client said? Moore stated he never met the woman who possesses the yearbook she said he signed. Moore's lawyer said the woman lied when she said she never crossed paths with Moore again after the alleged incident. Moore's lawyer went on to say that she lied about that because Moore was the judge that signed off on her divorce. So essentially Moore's lawyer said Moore lied when he said he never met her. Did I miss something?
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Let us all stop the false hope and put our anger back in the bottle. Save your New Testament verses for Sunday School because Roy Moore is going to win his election and he will be seated in the Senate.
Trying to use the bible to rationalise to evangelical conservatives is a gross waste of time because most of these folks forsake Christ when they voted for Trump, a twice divorced womanizer who cheates in business dealings. As said by a self described evangelical pastor in an editorial, Trump supporting evangelicals have long treated their faith as a cardigan to be worn and removed as the political temperature dictates.
Roy Moore will be no different. A teenager seducing paraphile? Sure, but Roy brought the ten commandments to the AL Supreme Court, so let's take the Christ cardigan off. What about Constitutional separation of church and state? Well that was a Founder's oversight so put the cardigan back on and vote for Moore.
See how easy this is? Blind support of Christ and Christ-like suffering are the two-headed coin of evangelical politics because anyone can read any religious text and convince themselves that they are correct in behavior and action. So don't loose sleep over Roy Moore or fair weather political evangelicals.
One cannot reason with those who form opinions-and now facts these days-in the absence of reason.
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Enough with accusations, they're easy to do. The accusers should file charges, with proof to back up their accusations.
The difference between the Weinstein, Louis CK, Spacey, and certain other scandals is that the Moore is denying the allegations against him. If someone admits, they admit. It is done. If someone denies, there is not necessarily automatic guilt, even in a civil sense, or even in an opinion sense. Maybe some of you prefer to assume guilt, because it suits your political preferences, and that's your right as a voter, but a NEWS organization--as opposed to a political announcement from the democratic party headquarters--should report a matter differently if the person denies allegations. The difference should be more than just using the word alleged.
Bill Clinton has denied allegations, and insufficient proof was offered to find him guilty of the many instances in which he supposedly violated women. Let it be so. He has denied, the proof is not there. He did not resign in disgrace for being a masher.
On that basis, Moore, at least for now, should have the CLINTON GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card, and be permitted to occupy his position unbesmirched by mere allegations by accusers who may be doing this solely or political reasons. It is not beyond the imagination in this environment that 4 women might decide to do this, even without a spoken conspiracy among them.
I have no serious objections to treating Roy Moore precisely as Bill Clinton's been treated: let the right-wing screaming, impeachment, endless investigations and so on begin.
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I know nothing about this man and I'm not from Alabama. But have there been no women coming forward with complaints about him other than those which took place 30-40 years ago? Surely, if he is a sexual predator (or at least someone who doesn't realize when his advances are unwelcome), he has continued this behavior to the present. If he hasn't, then perhaps he finally grew up and realized he should not be doing this. I just want to hear from women who experienced this 1 - 5 - 7 years ago.
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If Roy Moore gets his hands on that yearbook, that will be the final time it sees the light of day.
Whatever happened to the tradition of Southern gentlemen respecting and venerating ladies? Here we have a bevy of down home Alabama ladies--one that seems to increase every day--and yet they are viciously and repeatedly denigrated by many supposedly good old devout and conservative male Alabamians. I'd guess from their behaviors that they frankly don't give a damn anymore about that tradition. But would that constitute blasphemy?
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"Whatever happened to the tradition of Southern gentlemen respecting and venerating ladies? "
That "tradition" was in the movies. That's why its called fiction.
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Back 50 years ago when I was an Evangelical Christian, even one woman having any thing to say at all about a potential Senator's sexuality would have put him out of the race pronto. They taught me the meaning of Hypocrisy. These days, they've sold out, and all they care about is "us being right and them being wrong." All his supporters would be considered blasphemers, including him, back then. I think they all better get right with their God.
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May I recommend the novel "Southern Ladies and Gentlemen" by Florence King, as well as her other works. You will laugh for several days ----
Right, God is leading him to be a predator -lady, you're giving all Christians a bad name
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Donald Trump has finally met his match. He is now stymied by a fellow demagogue as hard-headed as he is. He can't speak out (or tweet) against Roy Moore because of that old pot-calling-the-kettle-black thing, and Moore won't step down. Having to sit on his tweeting thumbs, Trump can only watch as more women come forth and Moore's numbers plunge in Alabama - a perfect storm.
Unable to remove Moore's name from the ballot, Trump seeks to get the governor of Alabama to postpone the election until such time as the Republicans can figure out what to do. We go to war to help other countries instill democracies, but would show them what total disregard that we have for our own.
See:
RevolutionOfReason.com
TheRogueRevolutionist.com
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We've got to admit, this whole mess has had the happy effect of making Trump be relatively quiet for a few days. For once he realizes he'd better shut up.
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To Mr. Moore's faithful supporters, a message from Matthew 7:15:
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves."
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I've never seen conservative/religious folks speak and work together on such rational and concrete terms as when attempting to defend the filthiest of their brethren in the face of ever-growing population of its accusers. It's an almost socialistic pitching in, isn't it?
What happened to these folks' fondness for the fabled pioneer and every-man-for-himself? Why can't Moore just pull himself up by his bootstraps? If he were a poor and or sick man, who was gaining notoriety in the media, who needed a little help to get by, none of these people would admit to knowing him. You're not trying hard enough, they'd say. God helps those who help themselves, they'd say.
But look at how they all pitch in to help the poor creepy child abuser when he's down.
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Would Roy Moore promise to drop out of the race if the signature is his? Is he willing to also testify under oath? Let's call the bluff.
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Perhaps he simply didn't notice that anyone would criticize his behavior and perhaps he also thought that he was more powerful than their criticism; so he didn't have to notice that anyone might be critical of his behavior. He did it in a mall; in public; in view of the whole town. He signed the note in here yearbook; Roy Moore DA. Really DA. Power.
What is wrong is using power to manipulate for sex with people who don't want it or are too young to know that it isn't what is good for them.
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This man, that dupes many with his charisma and ability to falsely project earnestness, is bluffing. We'll see if enough Alabama residents can see through this paper cutout.
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Roy Moore feels like forgery.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Well, it seems that god may have led him to places and acts that he should have avoided. He needed better leadership.
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Bannon figures he'll emerge from this mess stronger than ever if Moore does win. The message will be "vote for my primary candidates, I'm so strong I was able to get a child molester elected to the U.S. Senate".
And he knows he could very well win this fight, he was able to get a sexual predator elected President of the United States.
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Is it the least bit surprising that creeps like Roy Moore will surface on the national stage when our Commander-in-Chief is himself a self-proclaimed sexual predator? Not only has he been accused by a slew of women; my understanding is that some of these claims are in litigation.
It's not the least bit surprising that Trump studiously refuses to say a word about Moore's fitness for office.
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Roy Moore is up to 9 accusers -- still 8 short of Trump's 17 woman-grabbing record
But here's still time for more women to step forward and put Moore over the top! C'mon girls!
Moore new bumper sticker: "C'mere little girl"
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Moore has to be the biggest INSULT to truly devout Christians - he has 'blabber mouthed' his meaning of Christianity since long before his attempts to DATE and mistreat young girls.
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Kind of like how Trump has insulted main stream Republicans. I am not sure why Trump dislikes Moore - they really are two peas of a pod.
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Sexual assault allegations have been made against senator Al Franken.
I'm just timing the NYT and other MSM outlets to see how long they will drag their feet in giving that story any prominence.
Also, will it be an above-the-fold big story with daily sustained coverage, of buried deed somewhere?
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Is it several women?
Are they underage?
Does he deny it?
Does he take responsibility?
There are reasons that Moore is "above-the-fold".
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It’s in fat headlines on CNN, but unlike Roy Moore, Al Franken acknowledges his bad behavior and apologized for it. Too little, too late, but Roy Moore is attacking his victims against all signs they told the truth.
Actually, a) MSNBC ran the story literally five minutes after it started, and b) the complaint has to do with a claim that Franken harassed her while they were doing a comedy sketch on that very topic.
And the picture they're circulating was posed, and has another guy in it.
And if there's more to it, that'll get reported too.
Oh, and yes, we noticed that you're simply trying to fog up the issue with Roy Moore.
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Evangelical Christians detest Democrats and stand by their Republican 'leaders' under any and all circumstances, which is why the GOP panders to them. These two groups work together hand in glove. But Moore presents a problem for the party -- he's Bannon's guy and all it implies -and that has thrown them into turmoil. Rejecting him will anger a significant part of the base that actually believes he's led by God.
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Moore's defenders can't say "Why did they wait so long to come forward" and at the same time say "I'm not saying they're lying".
Mutually exclusive - unless your point is that yes, what they're saying is probably true but it was the Washington Post that published their stories to hurt Moore in the election. So then we're back to square one, he did what his accusers say he did.
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I can see where all this is going ... he's going to be elected, I believe.
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That was what everyone thought here in Seattle about former Mayor Ed Murray. But the people kept coming forward while he screamed witch hunt but when his own cousin came forward, that was the nail that closed that coffin for good. It is almost a month till this election and the women are just getting geared up against Moore.
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What society are we living in, where teenagers might end up on a sex offender list for "sexting" with peers and a predatory creep like Roy Moore can freely roam the lands plus get elected as senate representative?
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The questions go to the medical community. Mr. Moore has a condition that can likely be described and managed by psychiatrists, psychologists, and possibly others. If the problem is technically an obsession he seems to have been practicing it for at least 30 years. His behavior has breached many laws. It is reasonable to assume that his doctor/s were as aware as the rest of the community and the state were of his proclivities. Women were apparently intimidated and/or fearful to come forward (and their parents?). More power to them for coming forward now. Where were the doctor/s?But the deeper question remains. Mr. Moore is likely only one example of many in a culture and a society that has protected and thereby encouraged behavior that ignores the law, but worse makes a mockery of their touted values.
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Events of 40 years ago, even these, are not disqualifying for higher office. Indeed, the passage of time --much time-- without such conduct suggests a person improving, growing -- becoming better. This should be commended.
What may be disqualifying is dishonesty, present-day dishonesty, if these events are true. Moore may be in a bind -- or think that since they happened a long time ago and he got himself better that he can effectively say that they never occurred.
But people need to have faith, trust in, their elected officials. They have to know that the person they elect is honorable and honest -and trusts them with the truth.
And it may be said that God is the guiding light of truth -- or truth (and humor) are God's "languages." One of those commandments that Moore so treasures speaks of not lying -not bearing false witness; it is that sacrosanct.
Folks mess up and get better, that's what it means to be alive, to be human.
To borrow from Nixon, people need to know if their elected officials are honest and true. If not, they have every right to find someone who is.
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Marty, it's true that folks mess up and get better all the time. But Moore apparently did more than just mess up: he assaulted teenage girls, and was lecherous to such a degree that he was banned from an Alabama mall. Whether or not he's been good as gold ever since - and somehow I doubt it - doesn't matter: he still committed crimes against these young and vulnerable girls and for that reason alone, he should not hold any public office.
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lol, you know we have hit a low when we are looking to Nixon for guidance:)
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You're very, very wrong. Perhaps you've forgotten about Moore instructing Alabama probate judges to defy the Supreme Court's ruling on same-sex marriage, but many of us will not ever forget. When someone like Roy Moore chooses to use his office to shove his warped concept of "morality" down everyone else's throats, an utter lack of morality is indeed disqualifying.
You wouldn't trust this man with your fourteen year old daughter. Do you really want to trust him with one of the highest offices in the country?
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In defense of Roy Moore, “All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks.
Alright. Tell me again, from what religious extraction were the girls he preyed upon? Christian, you say?
Oh. Hmmm. What do we do now?
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What a guy! Fits right in with Congress and Whitehouse.
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If he's "led by God," that explains why I'm an atheist.
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That is precisely why i became an atheist at 13.
Look, over there! A Clinton!!!!
Thanks, GOP.
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The fact that Trump got women's votes after the tape with him describing groping other women tells me there is certainly hope for this pervert religious zealot.
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And these are among the people who make up Trumps staunch voting base? Why should we fear that their man has his finger on the nuclear trigger?
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Actually, I would argue that these are the people that make up Bannons base. Donald never wanted Moore to begin with, Steve did.
"It could be true, it could be false, but he's led by God, and that's all that matters."
Doesn't matter if he's telling the truth, doesn't matter if he's lying, he's doing God's work.
Some God you and Ol' Roy got there, Pamela Hicks.
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If these accusations were made against Doug Jones, I would still vote for him just like I voted for Bill Clinton despite knowing he was a sexual predator. Its not that I don't think the charges are serious or that they are unimportant. Its that there are a lot of other consequences to someone getting elected for all sorts of people.
Actually the most disturbing and outrageous response was by the Republican Senator who wanted to refuse to seat Moore even if the people of Alabama elected him. He wants to substitute his judgment and that of other senators for the judgment of voters. The reality is lots of people agree with him. We are rapidly losing our belief in democracy and self-government. We only believe in it when we are on the winning side. We think people who disagree with us are stupid and not really "qualified" to vote.
You can see that attitude in a lot of the responses here.
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I know there's always talk of secession, but is there any way to EXPEL a state from the Union?
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If this proves true then I should only expect that all the verdicts we won as DA and decisions as judge be overturned. All traces of the man must be eliminated for their to be any real closure for all the violated parties. Even it that means letting guilty people walk. Women's rights are everybody's rights, right?
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Bizarre extrapolation.
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"All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what."
The persecution complex is the gift that keeps on giving. Sadly, that probably is all she really knows. The concept of separation of church and state is obviously fake news invented by the liberal media...
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Conservatives LOVE to rail against the hypocrisy and immorality of liberals.
But it isn't that they hate hypocrisy or immorality.
They just hate liberals.
In a very hypocritical and immoral manner.
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If the residents of Alabama elects this creep into the Senate, the rest of the country needs to boycott all things Alabama. That includes boycotting any companies who have their headquarters there until they leave; any and all tourism; and pressure any and all business to stop trade and sending any money their way. If they are not willing to listen to reason, I'm willing to bet that they will listen to money.
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Alabama, like most red states, gets most of its money from the federal government -- far more than it pays taxes into the government.
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I am sure the people of Alabama are lovely but when I go on vacation, I cant say that Birmingham is my first choice.
As for boycotting? How about James Corden starting a new segment on his show - Keurig Karaoke.
The longer Moore lets this drag on, the more likely he will be faced with more accusations from victims and recollections about seeing him approach young women in malls, in restaurants.
From the accounts, its seems like Moore’s mind was always on young women, that he felt an inner pressure to approach them, phone them (at school? On his work time?). This is very troubling behavior.
Will we ultimately hear from his Military Academy classmates? Or his law school classmates?
I suspect this will just grow and grow and grow.
All the while reminding everybody that there is a Sex Predator in the White House! And when a person at the top gets away with it, that sets a terrible precedent which is not going away either!
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The Roy Moore attempts to discredit the accusers and the evidence of a signed yearbook smack of what the Republicans did to discredit the reporting about George W Bush going AWOL. It’s tried & true: to discredit the reporters.
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Note Ivanka’s support for the victims, which mirrors Jeff Sessions’ equivocating formulation: “I have no reason to doubt [the women]”. Weak and lawyer-like, leaving the door open for a reversal later if “reasons” appear. Mitch McConnell should get credit for his definitive and strong “I believe the women”.
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It takes more than crucifying sinners to make one a saint, just in case the rest don't realize it. They'll have to figure out a way to do that themselves, if they're even able. All people nowadays want to do is find shortcuts, in the process only making themselves weaker and less capable.
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I find your point here inscrutable. Is it a roundabout way of blaming the victims, obscured by some kind of quasi-philosophy?
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Christians will always be attacked no matter what? That says it all. REALLY. Ignore logic, ignore facts, cram YOUR beliefs down everyone's throat no matter how harmful, ignore beneficisl efforts of people dedicated towards making this world a better place to live for all concened and proceed on hypocrisy, denial, willful ignorance and narrow mindedness you do increase the likelihood that your ideas will get attacked. But l will say this, most people l know are not interested in attacking people, they are intersted in attacking harmful acts. Start paying attention to people outside your own little world and start trusting basic cause and effect logic and have some true goodwill towards people who don't buy your highly compromised version of "truth" and the attacks will stop.
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Today Al Franken was accused. Franken and Moore both need to go! Moore needs to stop campaigning for office! And Franken needs to resign from office.
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And Trump, too, then.
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All this publicity around sexual harassment brings up some interesting dilemmas.
First, he's being tried and found guilty in the court of public opinion without due process, but given the number of complaints, he's probably guilty.
Second, if you created a plot to have women take over the world, you'd first create a mechanism for taking out the most powerful men. If those men did what they are accused of, it's high time. Perhaps we should tread carefully; not all accused people are guilty.
Third, it is traditional for men to court women. This means that the man must make some sort of advance, and take the risk that it might not be welcome. How much of an 'advance' is acceptable, especially for a man with more power than the woman? Will every man who's ever propositioned his secretary be publicly castigated, and lose their position? What is the new protocol for testing if an advance is welcome? Do women need to make the first move for it to be acceptable?
Fourth, when women obtain positions of power, will they do the same, in the same ratios as powerful men? What would they seek? Sexual favors? Something else?
Finally, let's be careful to not tar all men with the same brush. Some of us are pigs; most of us are not. Our culture is morphing into something approaching equality, but it's not there yet. Mr. Moore's reprehensible behavior was egregious and chronic, but the next case might be more subtle. It would be too easy to go overboard with this whole thing.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.” This is deeply disturbing to me. If the allegations are in fact true, how can a man who lies be 'led by God'? How on Earth is that justifiable?
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And ya know.... There's really not a whole lot of character difference between Moore and Trump.
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The hypocrisy of religious conservatives who continue to back Moore is mind-boggling. It's clear that their first priority is not Christian principles or even basic morality. They are willing to sell out all of that just for political power that will help them to impose their pseudo-christianity on the rest of the population. Moore is disgusting, but the people who back him in the name of religion are worse.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
This statement right here is the #1 reason why belief in Christianity falls year by year. It has become the religion of child molesters, moral Luddites, racists, and hateful rhetoric. Rather than kicking these criminals out of their order, the true believers defend them to the death as part of their tribe. Then they wonder why only 28% of millennials will go to church every week.
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Can we find some women in Alabama who were not approached by this creep? Might be easier than counting victims.
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Now that even Hannity is turning on him, I wonder if all of his supporters will run out and buy replacement Keurig machines for the ones they broke a few days ago (lol)
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Hannity seems to have changed his mind yet again and seems to be back on team Moore.
Keurig and Hannity are both very bad for the planet. Maybe Hannity's one saving grace is that he got those pod people to stop using those everlasting little containers for a few days at least.
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What in the world does Moore have to gain by becoming a US Senator that would compel him to continue to pursue the position in the face of allegations of stalking and groping by multiple women, hounding by the media, and urging by members of his political party and members of the Senate to give it up? Really. What is he going to gain that would make this public humiliation worth it? Has he a shred of humility or integrity?
What is wrong with voters in Alabama that they would consider putting a man of—at best—questionable ethics and morals and—at worst—a history of pedophilia into office to represent them in the Senate? Are there no men or women in Alabama with high ethical and moral values and who have not been banned from setting foot in a mall because they have been accused of stalking and/or groping young women, who can run for a seat in the Senate instead of Moore?
What is wrong with a so-called president, known to have admitted to wanton womanizing and groping at will anyone he wants because of his position of power and fame, who refuses to make a statement on this man's appropriateness for office? Trump has blatantly lied about the integrity of other leaders, members of his administration, and his own children to put them in a good light. For what reason is he holding his wicked twitter-finger and keeping his foot out of his mouth for once?
What is going on?
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Money, money, money.
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@Gerithegreek518, you asked: "What in the world does Moore have to gain by becoming a US Senator..." Well, one possible reason is that the Senate and House are chock full of pages, many of whom are young girls, some very attractive. What a playground (literally and figuratively) it would be for Moore! The only mall he would have to visit would be the Capitol Mall! A pedophile's paradise!
Does this sound silly? Of course it does! But the Republicans under Trump have sunk so low in morality that my explanation has risen to the level of plausibility.
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In supporting Moore, Trump would be saying his own groping was OK, which would open up the tapes again. He wants those forgotten. To not support Moore, would make him a hypocrite. Thus he is silent. For once.
In analyzing this situation, it is possible to find relevant scripture
John11:35
(Jesus wept)
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If Jesus ran for office in the U.S., He would be branded a Socialist and spurned by His own followers. Sell all that you own, give to the poor, then come follow Me? That would be called Marxism:)
This is good: "Christians will always be attacked no matter what", in the last paragraph. I thought that was Jews, and Muslims and African Americans.
The most scary part for me is how some of us can believe some of the things some of the time, with no basis in reality.
That need to be right--no matter what-- is a most dangerous thing.
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Dear Roy Moore: You've shown such wisdom, such rectitude, such humility throughout this whole episode brought on by nasty women and lying reporters. You so deserve that special place to which Ivanka refers. Maybe you'll find it in the U.S. Senate even before your next life.
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I'm happy to not live there!
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That Moore is in line to be the next Republican senator from Alabama is laughable. I used to think that a Trump presidency was laughable also. Past sex assault behavior doesn’t seem to be a deal breaker when it comes to getting elected. It isn’t a deal breaker when it comes to staying in Office either, as it was announced two sitting lawmakers are under investigation for sexual Harassment. Maybe we should make it a hard and fast rule that you can’t run for Office or hold office if you have a history of sexual harassment. Since our politicians and our voters seem unable to police themselves, someone else is going to have to do it. Let women voters in the country decide how to take care of this problem. The men don’t seem to have a clue.
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It is now up to the women in Alabama to do the right thing and show their voice. Women overwhelmingly went for the Democrat in Virginia. Both Harvey and Roy are symbols of women finding their voice and saying enough! That is what brought the nine accusers out of the woods in Alabama.
If trump says one word defending Moore he will increase the women's disgust for the GOP.
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Perhaps I am wrong but it seems to me that it should be possible to confirm if Moore was indeed banned from the mall for sexual harassment. That should put to lie his denials. Malls are not noted for turning people away without cause. That anyone would vote for such a sleezeball astounds me.
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Astounding indeed. A recent broadcast news report had a voter from the state who declared he would vote for Moore "because he was honest". I suppose being accused, perhaps correctly, about being a sexual predator is either a badge of honor among voters, and many fellow GOP politicians, or occurs so frequently the acts are ignored, or just plain party line voting must be adhered to that warrants a vote for the alleged transgressor.
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It was in the 1980s, so I doubt the mall is going to have records going back that far, but I guess it's worth a shot.
Somebody who is still alive worked there and knows. Should not be too difficult.
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*shrug* let him, his lawyers, the accusers and Allred fight it out.
Enough of this story already
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Why all the consternation about this guy’s behavior. DJT is president.
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Moore knows whether he signed the yearbook or not. If he really believes it's a forgery, he can swear out a criminal warrant for that crime. That exposes him to a charge of false swearing if he is lying. Then the state can have the signature analyzed and charge the liar, whomever that might be.
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Samuel Johnson famously said that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. I would add religion to that, making for a very toxic brew on the GOP side.
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Religion has always been the 1st refuge of scoundrels, ets.
They put on their piety clothes and all are fooled - but no moore.
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I am still waiting to see accusations from less than 3 decades ago.
The question for voters should be who is the candidate now, not who was he 30 years ago.
It's unfortunate that the media, rather than elevating discussion to the important policy issues, just can't resist any story with sex in it, even if they have to go back decades to find it.
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Someone who sexually molested children, even if it was 30 years ago, and has failed to admit to his behavior is still a criminal in my book.
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Who is the candidate now?
Well, it appears he is a lying hypocrite who is trying to smear the women he attacked over 30 years ago for daring to tell their stories.
Is that about right?
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Seriously... I guess the hypocrisy eludes you
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If Moore "emphatically denies these false allegations", Does that make them true?
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Of course Trump is very reluctant to comment. The evidence of sexual predation against him is much along the same lines as the evidence against Moore. Twenty years ago instead of forty years ago, fifteen women came forward instead of seven, and as far as we know, no physical assault against underage girls.
Say it, if the charges against Trump are true, he isn't fit to be President.
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I would disagree with the statement about Trump, "as far as we know, no physical assault against underage girls." There was a pending lawsuit against Trump for violently raping a 13-year old girl at one of Jeffery Epstein's sex parties in 1994 and the woman had two corroborating witnesses, but the suit was dropped due to death threats. It's true that the claimant and both witnesses stayed anonymous and the suit never made it to trial, but I certainly do know about it. The farthest I could go is to say, "Trump has never been found guilty of physical assault against underage girls." Not quite the same thing!
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The people of Alabama have to ask themselves one question, what if one of these women is telling the truth. It doesn't have to be all of them but if one, just one is telling it the way it was then maybe Moore isn't telling the truth and if that's the case do you really want him to represent you?
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My theory is that the voters of Alabama all believe the women -- and they want to get Roy Moore as far from their daughters as possible -- by sending him to Washington.
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Unfortunately the final quote in the article is quite telling, “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
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They could also ask themselves, "What if this had happened to your daughter, sister, mother, grandmother, or you?"
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Moore's attorney wants the high school yearbook to 'test' the autograph for authenticity. Why not just cut to the chase and have Moore submit to a lie detector test?
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Roy Moore gives new meaning to the term “mall rat.”
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The Roy Moore case has made it clear to the entire world that Southern religion is both unAmerican and
Fake Christianity.
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Surely if Roy Moore could be banned from a shopping center for trolling for teenage girls, a way can be found to ban him from the Senate.
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Clearly, Sears Roebuck has stricter standards than the U.S. Senate.
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One would think so, but these are our spineless senators you're talking about. Mall security has more scruples and moral backbone.
Youthful actions show character: Dem. candidate helped bring KKK killers of girls in church to justice while Rep. candidate was a serial pedophile. Which will it be, voters in AL? And sexual abusers Bill Clinton and Donald Trump could be honest and accept personal responsibility while moving to condemn Moore and the coverup. Kudos to many Rep. Congressional leaders for calling on Moore to step aside, even if it is to save their skins and avoid the taint of far-right sex ignoramuses like Todd Aiken who helped Dems get into the Senate from MO and IN. Evangelicals should ask themselves: "What would Jesus do?"
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Moore is a weirdo and probably unfit for Congress...but...look at the handwriting in that photo, clearly forged, look at the 7's and the e's!
Are we now a country governed by mob rule?
Dennis in Connecticut, are you a handwriting expert familiar with Moore's script? I would say, look at the "T"; those flourishes were still being taught when I was in school in the 1950s.
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Conservative "Christians" have a lot to answer for. They are supreme hypocrites who are proof why church and state must be completely separate. Their values are without value in a modern society, accepting behaviors that everyone else condemns because they are small-minded, ignorant and failures as Christians.
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The party that claims trans women may prey on our daughters of allowed to use the female bathroom, may very well elect a man who actually preys on our daughters to the Senate.
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Now we understand why the Denny Hastert investigation was limited to the investigation of blackmail and no religious conservative wanted the priest abuse cases to be commonly brought out in an open courtroom.
Here we have Roy Moore, a holy man, par excellent, famous for decades for upholding the "Good News".
But here's the "bad news". Stalking. Grabbing. Being banned from shopping malls. Stripping down with 14-year-olds. Lotsa tongue. Ogling in the shower room at the YMCA. Signing high-school yearbooks....
How is this not Denny Hastert?
Oh, that's right - these victims are females.
Male 14-year-olds are believed.
They don't have to prove anything except proximity.
No one will ever drag them through the gauntlet of irate wives, handwriting analysis, interviews with security guards from 40 years ago....
There are many, many, many men who need to be in jail for sexual abuse of the young -.
- but only females are put through the "Prove it!" gauntlet.
And why does it take 9 females for these women to be believed?
Is this the Christian version of Islamic law where it takes 2 females to equal the testimony of one male?
Really? Islam: 2 needed.
Christianity: 9 needed.
For years I've watched this double-standard on sex abuse, the females being automatically labeled "liars" versus the cases of young males where it is all hushed up. There's no howling at them, no vigilantes, no hours and hours on the telly.
Oh, come on: Can't we at least treat females as equal even HERE?
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And I have never heard that the young men were asking for it by the way they dress.
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“He’s led by God and that’s all that matters.”
What can one say to that kind of blind religious logic? Who are these people??
Note to self: avoid even driving through Alabama.
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The excuses that Alabamans make for this sexual predator astounds me. A strange man who hangs around malls to chat up young girls, a strange man calling out young girls at their high schools and a strange man who hovers over young girls at diners. Not young women, young girls. Young enough where mom has to grant permission.
"I forgive him." Do the victims forgive him? "He is a West Pointer." Fox News reported in March 2017 the rise of sexual assaults at West Point-not fake news. "Why now?" You are a young girl from a rural town where a West Pointer, District Attorney threatens you with "Who will believe you?" You live with this all your life until many women and at least one male mall employee confirm this behavior. Strange man and young girl is generally not a good picture. If you elect this strange man to the US Senate you are declaring open season on your young girls. You are better than this. Do the right thing. RISE UP!
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I am so sick of watching this snarling cretin - second only to Trump in snarl factor. Let's face facts. He is going to be elected. He is from Alabama - the state that has given rise to the likes of Jefferson Beauregard aka I don't remember Sessions. Despite the phony protestations of McConnell, he will be seated in the Senate and will fit right in and serve there for many years along with the other Republican wackos.
There must be something in the drinking water of Alabama that has messed up the gene pool of many of its citizens.
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Perhaps you haven't noticed the "off" button on the TV remote or computer. It's definitely the greatest invention I know of by man.
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Yes, true. And my MUTE button is wearing out from being pressed every time Trump starts to snarl. If only there was a TV feature that muted and/or changed station instantly when Trump's face appears.
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I wonder if they also think all the rogue priests should be reinstated and would send their kids to that church? After all they were men of god too.
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Banned from a mall?
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Enough!!! IF there is sufficient evidence, the let him be indicted. Otherwise, I don't want to hear or read any more about Moore. Give him his day in court and be done with it. I'm starting to wonder about this whole 'metoo' campaign.
Dems, you have many skeletons in your closet as well; should we start by investigating sitting senators and representatives across the board? Looking back 40 years ago, I would bet over most women in the working world would be able to give you at least one event where they felt harassed or intimidated. And those advances were definitely NOT limited to a conservative or a Rep.
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You're right that it's a non-partisan issue, but that doesn't mean we should give both sides a pass. You're right about Democrats. I made excuses for Clinton, and this is where that led.
Regardless of party, we can't continue to let our country be run by people with corrupted judgement and no impulse control, regardless of how well they pander to us.
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Classic “Whataboutism”. This stuff is wrong. Period. Finding someone else is did the same has no relevance. With that logic, murder is fine, because someone else did it.
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So you can talk the trash but can't deal with the smell of truth?
What if you were molested or you Mother or Sister or daughter or cousin, etc?
Wouldn't be so ready to talk trash then I bet!
40 years or 40 minutes ago - that is an irrelevant point!
Abuse is abuse - time will not change that!
Yes, many women can and will still be giving at least 1 event of abuse or harassment - all these accounts are VALID!
Not limited to Demos or Republicans - stop with the trump deflection, it will not validate your point.
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After reading yet another article regarding the prevalence and tolerance of sexual harassment on Capitol Hill, I almost wonder why Roy Moore's reprehensible past behavior makes him persona non grata? Retiring the Good Ole Boy's Club will not be easy.
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Gennifer Flowers might wish we'd had this discussion forty years ago.
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Shush, here we don't talk about that. Hypocrisy is not in our dictionary, remember? It's amazing the idyllic artificial world one create for themselves by selecting only certain pieces and provided you're willing to live in it all by yourself.
We had that discussion 25 years ago. Now we are having this discussion.
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Yes. I'm a lifelong Democrat and I am increasingly ashamed of how I justified things in the 90s. But now is now. Let's be better. Let's have the discussion now that we should have had then. Let's keep having it and never let it go.
Older men being attracted to young pubescent girls is nothing new, nor is it uncommon. We are after all mammals, and passing on our genes is a biologic imperative. I doubt that there is a man who can honestly say he has not looked at a teen age girl and admired her youthful beauty. Some men may feel compelled top act on those desires.
The problem with Mr. Moore is that he presents himself as a righteous, pious, religious, God fearing man, tries to impose his religious views on others, and yet his behavior is that of a Pagan satyr.
My only advice to Mr. Moore is : Take the log out of your own eye before trying to take the sliver out of mine. I think Jesus of Nazareth is credited with that statement.
By their works you shall know them.
HYPOCRITE!!
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lol, I am gay so , no, I have never looked at a teen age girl and admired her youthful beauty. And as for teenage boys? I am too busy checking out their hunky dads to notice:)
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The fact that we're even having this conversation about Moore's fitness for office, after all that has transpired, is a reflection of how far apart many of us in this country are from each other. To any rational person it is obvious that he is monumentally unfit to run...for anything. Apologist for him are driven to contortions to remain in support. The most asinine comment is probably the the most common reason for his continued support. To wit: “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
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And no doubt those people feel the same about your's. Everything is reciprocal.
Etienne...your comment is sadly right on the mark.
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"...monumentally unfit to run...for anything."
If I heard that phrase out of context, I would assume it was referring to the current occupant of the White House.
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"...he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
How many priests, how many bishops, how many sexual predators have been led by God throughout history?
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Only Christians could feel attacked in a majority Christian nation.
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Liar?
Doesn't matter.
Pedophile?
Doesn't matter.
Conman?
Doesn't matter.
Conspiracy theorist?
Doesn't matter.
Tax cheat?
Doesn't matter.
Authoritarian?
Doesn't matter.
Imbecile?
Doesn't matter.
Just so long my candidate professes to be a Christian, disavows immigrants, people of colour, and espouses the views of of the NRA. That's who I want to
vote for.
The problem is we allow people like this to govern us, we get societies like the Third Reich, Zimbabwe, North Korea or Venezuela to name a few.
We must all do our part to save democracy. That can only happen if we all become involved.
The remarkable thing is that only 40% of American's support these views. We cannot let the view of this minority govern society no matter where in the world we live.
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The minority rule is a result of gerrymandering. Let districts be redrawn in a rational manner and we'll see who gets elected. Republicans, however, won't like that much.
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NINE women.....Has this man or his callow supporters no shame?
Imagine, if you will, that the person accused was a Democrat. The state would be up in arms, ready to lynch. But Moore? Why he's an (allegedly) "good christian" who's a republican....gosh, the voters can't turn away from this repeat child predator lest a non-republican get in office.
Congrats, Alabama.
You've make North Carolina's foolish 'bathroom bill' look reasonable in comparison.
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I will be curious to see what the Dems along with Bill Maher do with the Franken accusation that came out today. The picture on the front page of HuffPost doesnt look good for Al. I do not hear Al saying, hey you go me, I am going to resign. It seems like he is just going to offer an apology and keep his job. So, all Moore needs to do is apologize for something that happened 40 years ago and he should be good to go. This will be an interesting few days of checking the news:)
Okay, what do Moore supporters have to say about Ivanka Trump's interview? Pretty strong language condemning Moore.
Is she right or is she wrong?
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She's a woman so who cares?
Amazing that people know that someone is "led by God"! Is it because Roy Moore told them so? Myth-makers! Perfectly described in Kurt Andersen's new book, "Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire" - a must read!
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Let me ask people the following question.
We know that Bill Clinton was guilty of many sexual shenanigans.
And as far as we know, George W. Bush has not been guilty of any such sexual shenanigans.
If the election were to be held next week and the two candidates were Clinton and Bush, which one would YOU vote for?
And NO ducking of the question with the answer "not relevant". I am just trying to find out what your real values are.
Clinton was, on the whole, a good president. Bush led us into the disaster which was the war on Iraq.
But sexually, it is Bush who comes out better. Clinton MAY have even been guilty of sexual assault.
So who wins?
The world is not a tidy place.
If you WOULD vote for Clinton then you should be willing to be tolerant of those Alabama voters who would vote for Moore.
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Chanakya: You raise an interesting question. Before this 'Bama-style dating" hit the news, I thought Moore should not be seated in the Senate if he won, based on his defying the law and court orders while he was on the Alabama Supreme Court, twice, and was removed from office because of it. How can this behavior not be considered cause for barring holding elective office? This teen-age dating is just the latest objectionable part of this man's history.
What makes Moore's case so objectionable, when compared to Bill Clinton, is that Moore, and his co-evangelicals, angrily demand laws against LGBT's, bathroom bills, contraception bills, wedding cake bills, abortion bills - you name it. If it is sex related those people are against it! The hypocrisy is what is so egregious!
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I think this is a really important question and absolutely relevant. I'm not sure how to answer it. Maybe the best answer is that then (and now) I would wish for a delayed election so that the party can find a better candidate. I think it's fair to say we were wrong then and search our hearts to find out why. I think we do have to reckon with this. It's weighing heavily on me this week. I think then I tried to justify my vote by saying that I only cared about how he would vote. I think now I would find that harder to stomach. We can only be as woke as we are and we can only continue to try to do better. But I do think some soul-searching is important for all of us.
Simple. I would not vote for either. We are not limited to the lessor of two evils in any election. But the Dems and Repubs have convinced Americans that that is the case.
Jesus had some pretty harsh words for people who misled children.
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." -- Matthew 18:6
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Has anyone examined the bank accounts of Moore's accusers for significant cash deposits?
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Are you for real? The only nefarious, shady conduct here is what Roy Moore perpetrated on those young girls. Sometimes a lowlife man is just that: a lowlife, not a hapless victim of scheming women.
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Attention voters: I have to report to you that God just reached out to me and told me to tell y'all that he forgives Roy Moore for stalking teenage girls when he was the District Attorney. And he forgives Trump and all his crew too. So stop paying attention to all this and forgive!! God says Vote Republican and that's that. Have faith.
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We should all learn.. All these religious people that deny anything sexual. Ridiculous. When religious leaders see any potential of lawsuits or losing the very life they need to exist they make excuses.. Have we not learned this from decades of abuse, denial and neglect by the Catholic Church by Catholic Priest who sexually abused many, many children.
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If Alabama's Christian parents vote for Moore, they cannot complain when their daughters are victims of pedophiles “led by God”.
We have heard the same monstrous distortions from church leaders for decades.
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Simply disgusting. How could any person with any moral conciseness want this man to be in the highest legislative body in the USA? The insane thing is, that almost all of his supporters pretend to belong to the "faith and family right wing" group. Let's face it, his supporters supposedly vote Republican to "protect their family values" but how on earth is electing a pedophile going to help with that. This is far and away the most appalling example of hypocrisy in American politics.
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I take comfort in the woman's belief in Moore, and the notion that "he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.” All of this doesn't change my belief Alabama is the cesspool of american politics. Give me separation of church, state and Alabama!
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Pamela Hicks: “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Matthew 7:15
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christians need to understand their bible more if they don't want to be duped.
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I think that these women are largely telling the truth. But I also think that the letter from the yearbook is clearly a forgery, and shame on the NYTimes for not giving the evidence that this is true. This is the "paper of record." You cannot try to bury facts that go against your narrative for political purposes. The Times damages its credibility to do so.
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You’ve seen the yearbook?
You can read minds?
If Moore's attorney somehow is successful in getting an independent hand writing analyst to look at the yearbook, I hope that Gloria Alredd also gets the court to approve a DNA swab of Moore and analysis of what most certainly be his drool stains on the yearbook entry.
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At this point in time, this story defies commentary . The quote from Pamela Hicks at the end of the article says it all. As long as you invoke God, you have a free pass.
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On the one hand, Anthony Weiner, Louie C.K., Kevin Spacey, and other liberals found to commit sexual harassment admitted to their bad acts and promised better behavior. On the other hand, pedophile right winger Roy Moore refuses to acknowledge the myriad claims and turns his perversion into a political issue of “persecution”. Will Alabama right wingers buy into his false claim the credible charges are “made up”? Will the United States Senate have a member of such low morals? Will the GOP reveal it is an organization so cynically partisan that it seats him?
I’m afraid to answer these questions out of fear the answer will be “yes” to all of them.
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"“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Seriously, when was the last time a Christain was attacked in this country because of his/her faith? Moore isn't carrying The Cross Ms. Hicks, he's hiding behind it. As for being led by God, somehow I doubt if God led him to the Gadsden Mall, time and time again.
The people we elect represent us. I'm sure that by now, every voter in Alabama is aware of the serious and well-substantiated allegations made against Moore. If this piece of slime is who the voters of Alabama want to represent their state in the most prestigious legislative body in the world, what does it say about them?
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Roy Moore's apparent sexual boundary violations with women helps Americans to refocus on the sexual predatory behaviors of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Kennedy and George HW Bush. Moore's case also allows further exposure of many more congressional sexual boundary violations and impropriety.
What do the Old Testament Ten Commandments have to say about pedophilia?
Moore knows they say nothing. Moore ignores the New Testament of Jesus Christ which has a lot to say on that subject and the separation of church and state. See Matthew 25:31-46.
Moore echoes Revelation 6:7-8 "Behold a pale horse" and Revelation 13: 15-18 "the mark of the beast".
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It's the trickle down theory of disgusting, creepy, Predators.
Right, Donald???? And, thanks, GOP.
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Roy Moore is a Republican. Steve Bannon is a Republican. Mitch McConnell is a Republican. Sen. Susan Collins is a Republican. Oh, and Trump says he's one, too.
I'd say the party has outgrown its tent.
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If you want to know what Christian Sharia Law is like, look no further. This is has the feel of radical Islamists defending terrorism, genital mutilation and honor codes.
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That quote in the last paragraph both sickens and enrages me. I’m certain this woman has absolutely no idea that she’s obliquely advocating for America to be run as a theocracy.
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She does. She doesn't care. As long as it is her version of God.
Many witnesses have said it was common knowledge Moore was banned from the shopping mall. In a small town news like this would get around quickly. So how is it that he kept his job as DA? And how is it that he rose to be Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court without this history bubbling to the surface? He won election after election. What does this say about that community? About Alabama? Maybe it is this sort of question that moves people to continue in Moore’s defense. If they acknowledge the truth now, they have to confront uncomfortable questions about themselves.
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Most people seem to believe Roy Moore's accusers. And in our new age, we have 'whataboutism' rising to the top of the pile.
What about Bill Clinton's accusers? OK valid question.
But if we are to go back in time and revisit old accusations, lets not skip over Donald Trump. Where is the article and headline about his accusers? Hey, NYT I am looking at you. Where is the article and headline about the women who accused President Donald Trump of sexually aggressive actions last year?
After you have gone and revisited that story in its entirety, then go after Bill Clinton. Trump's accusers are current and deserve their day in the sunshine too.
And Trump is our sitting President so it would seem a more timely and relevant re-examination than Bill Clinton of 20 years ago.
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Brava!
I'm not surprised that more women are coming forward, in part because of how Moore is handling this. There are two basic allegations against Moore, one far more serious than the other. One is that he was a creepy presence in the mall, hitting on girls who were over the age of consent and not taking their signals that they weren't interested. The second is that he has sexually assaulted young women, some under the age of consent. Now wherever some Alabamians are on the second charge, seems to me that the first is fairly well established. The best play by Moore is to say, "I didn't realize I was making young women uncomfortable and I apologize if I did. But I categorically deny..." and then go on to deny the charges with teeth. (To be clear, I think he's guilty of all of it.) But instead - Moore and his defenders and saying that everybody is lying! So of course all the young women working in the Mall at that time, who remember that they had a creeper alert for this guy, are going to come forward. I remember working retail/ waitressing as a teen and there were definitely guys we all watched out for. If one of them ran for office now, my first thought would probably be that decades have passed and, especially if he'd been married for many years, let bygones be bygones. But if he started denying he'd ever been a creeper, I'd call the press to back the other women up.
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Really? Groping a teenage girl against her wishes, even if they were old enough to consent, is a bygone by bygone event? Having nine different woman, showing the courage to stand up to this sexual predator who is a powerful man in Alabama, is a test of who is lying? How can it be that your "advice" on how he should respond be the right thing to do? I think it's just shameful he has gotten away with it. And if the people of Alabama elect him anyway, then all I can do is view them with disgust and label all their religious pontifications all lies.
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Oh I completely agree with you, wfisher - the criminal acts he is accused of are unforgivable. I'm talking about the other allegations, that he was someone girls avoided in the Mall. From my own youth, I can remember people like that, and I would be peeved if they later said any girl who alleged that was a liar. I think he's making his own problem worse by not copping to the stuff that was just bad judgment, because more women will come forward.
Insightful comment.
I've read one poll that showed many Alabamans would vote for Moore even if he admitted the accusations against him are true. Hard to believe, but there it is. These people would vote for him even if they knew he was guilty. All you can do is shake your head and have a drink to calm your nerves. These are crazy times.
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The hypocrisy of Bible-thumping politicians is yet again exposed. The irony is rich. I say to the Judge, Roy Moore, Judge ye not, lest ye be judged. Oops, too late.
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If you were going to build a plant, open a store , pick a school, or donate to a university, would you consider anything in Alabama?
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Don't know much about working conditions and laws in Alabama but if they are as lax about safety and environmental regulations and make it difficult for unions to operate as they are about their politicians then I can easily see businesses rushing to open plants in places like Alabama. Why have your products made in Bangladesh when with the help of a Republican Congress and Southern lawmakers you can recreate the abysmal working conditions of a developing nation right here at home
The twitter replies to Roy Moore's "Bring. It. On." message to McConnell are priceless. They will keep you laughing for hours.
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It is truly jaw-dropping that women support predatory men like Moore and our illustrious president. Do their religious and political beliefs blind them to the point of such denial?
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Look who's President.
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“Well, I’ll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said. “You know, I’m inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.”
- Donald Trump, from a 2005 interview with Howard Stern
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“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” says a Roy Moore supporter. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
This woman is wrong when she says that Roy Moore is led by God, and therein lies the problem. The Christian evangelical right, inflexible and intolerant, always has ready-made excuses to pardon the inappropriate behavior of a member of its flock while casting aspersions on people they feel are persecuting them. This is the defense of hypocritical people who see themselves as martyrs and cloak themselves in Biblical raiment to fend off outrage and ridicule.
What this supporter doesn’t get is that Moore was not listening to God when he targeted teenage girls to date, he was being led into temptation by perhaps man’s most animal and base impulse. If Moore’s conscience warned him of impending sin and criminal behavior, he wasn’t listening, to his conscience or to God.
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"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
No Bible scholar here, but seems pretty clear what the Christian (Christ's) position is.
From this article, “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.” Perhaps, Judge Roy Moore used a similar line on teenage girls at the mall back in the seventies? That would be a good point to investigate“.
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I'm betting it's true. The more women come forward, the more I know it's true...
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Gov. Kay Ivey of Alabama "said this month that she would vote Mr. Moore, but would not endorse his candidacy." Do I miss something here?
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It appears that Republican voters just don't care about sexual assault. Trump admitted to such conduct and got elected. Using that as a guide, why should Moore think these allegations will prevent him from getting elected as well?
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Moore is the kind of creepy guy your parents warn you against when they tell you don't talk to strangers. So people of Alabama, here is a guy running for US Senate, no less, that as parents you warn your daughters to not talk to. Just keep that in mind as you cast your ballot.
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A person with Moore's history has no business going into politics and controlling public policy.
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Haven't we hear heard these accusations before; leveled at Bill Clinton. Where were all the liberals then?
I don't know, that was 25 years ago and I can't remember.
Where are all of the Clinton-haters now that another man is accused of sexual assaulting minors and preying on young children? How come they suddenly don't care, when they have been hunting Clinton for 25 years?
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What part of “under the age of consent” are you missing?
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Here we go with the whataboutisms.
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The concluding comment made by Pamela Hicks (“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters”) offers a sad insight into the willful blindness that saturates American political camps these days. It also demonstrates that Moore's supporters need to become more familiar with the Scriptures that allegedly guide his own daily life:
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world." (1 John 2:16)
"Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death." (James 1:13-15)
Hopefully Moore's sins have come back to haunt him, and the death of his campaign for power is imminent.
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Moore for Senator? Never. Moore for President? Maybe.
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Roy Moore was the judge Beverly Young Nelson's divorce case. Moore's lawyers claimed she forged Roy Moore's signature in her yearbook from court documents. The "D.A." attached to his signature doesn't stand for "district attorney" as she apparently assumed. It is the initials of the court clerk.
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I don't care for or about Moore.
But that yearbook signature looks fishy. Look at it. Two different pens. the "7's" are different. "Olde" should have been "Old", if one were to misspell it, they'd have done the opposite; "D.A." were his assistant's initials at the time, when Moore was actually a DDA, not a DA. This same accuser did not request that Moore recuse himself when he presided over HER divorce case.
If that signature is proven fake, Moore is exonerated even if some of the attacks were true. Gloria Allred's reputation is sketchy at best.
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Please see National Review's comment on the "Olde Hickory House":
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453723/olde-hickory-houses
Summary: Moore supporters have argued that the present-day "Old Hickory House" restaurant did not exist in 1977; however, contemporary phonebooks and advertisements show that a restaurant called the "Olde [with an E] Hickory House" did exist in Gadsden in 1977. The use of the 1977-era name actually supports the authenticity of the yearbook, being something that a modern day faker would be unlikely to know and replicate.
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The onus is on the plaintiff to request the presiding judge, who sexually assaulted you, recuse himself???? Get real. He should have recused himself if he had any decency which clearly he does not.
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"Christians will always be attacked..."
Important part of the right-wing playbook: always play the victim and act as if you're an oppressed minority.
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Ivanka must think some victims are more equal than others. You can’t support some accusers and ignore others, even if she did place her condemnation on “those who prey on children.” How about self confessed abusers who brag about it on tape, and on tv and radio discuss their daughter and wives in sexual terms?
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It was fine for Moore to be an Alabama-only freak show when he held state offices or served on their Supreme Court. But now he wants to bring his perversion to the US Senate and be able to have influence over all of our lives.
We say no - we're not going to allow it.
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I am sorry I don;'t believe these women. Their appearance was just too oppoturne and the fact that the Washington Post when down there looking for these women, makes their story doubly unbelievable.
This is a story created by the Main Stream Media so the Dems could win a Senate Seat. That is what this is all about. Once you have Gloria Alread involved, you know the story is false.
I am sorry this is just a made up story to win a Senate Seat for the Dems - these women just agreed to participate in this campaign - I am sure if they were asked we would find out that they were Democrats. Some have even admitted that at the time they were flattered by Moore's attention. What changed - the Reported of the Washington Post changed their mind and influenced them.
Sorry, some of the accusers have been asked, and they are Republicans.
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Roy Moore is supported by a large group of conservative "Christians" who apparently are fine with the motto "Let Us Prey"...
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It could be true
It could be false
I don't care about wandering hands
I've got my man
He's led by God
We all should laud
XX Judge Roy Bean Moore
Who could ask for anything more?
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Obviously, Roy Moore is a man led by God, and all those girls he assaulted are led by she-devils. Moore, as a young man, was battling evil. He eventually won.
Truly, the god of the patriarchy moves in mysterious ways. He creates she-devils just to allow men to demonstrate their superiority and power. Hillary Clinton is but one example. Dozens of women in Alabama are examples, too.
No wonder old white men bow down before their god. They would be stupid not to. After all, he is made in their image, though older and with more hair. He is also very rich and eager to share his largess with those most like him to show his approval.
What a set-up! No small wonder old white men are so religious and so resistant to change. As young men, when they could still get it up, they had beautiful she-devils. As old men, they have their wealth and power. And, now with Erectile disfunction drugs, they can always have both!
Is their god good or what?
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No surprise to me that Trump is remaining silent on the issue lately. It would be difficult for one alleged sexual predator (remember the genital grabbing boasting) to call another alleged (which at this point may be true) sexual predator a predator who shouldn't run or hold office.
The irony and conundrum the whacky GO0 faces today.
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"It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Greetings from the American Taliban.
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Would you send your children to God to be groped?
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Ivanka Trump believes “there’s a special place in hell for people who prey on children”? I'm guessing that's something she learned from her mother - probably while her father was preying on teen pageant contestants.
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Steve Bannon "doubles down" on support of pedophilia saving the culture for the forgotten white men. Bravo.
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I note that none of the comments in this thread are datelined Alabama. I suppose nobody down there reads the NYT. So vent all you like for all the difference it will make.
I wonder how Pamela Hicks would feel if she or her daughter were a victim of this man. Would she still believe that "he's led by God?"
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Roy Moore has got nothing on this sexual predator.
“If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
Republican president.
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Hypocrisy, thy name is Roy Moore!
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What's the over under on this cretin winning and being seated? He will make the president look like a boy scout.
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Child molester
assaulter
groper
liar
Protect the brand. Protect our way of life. "It could be true, it could be false, but he's led by God and that's all that matters."
Roy Moore could molest a woman in full view at the GADSDEN MALL and his supporters wouldn't jump ship. Sound familiar.
Note to Moore supporters:
Roy Moore is luck he's not in jail.
Respecting the rule of law matters.
AND THAT"S ALL THAT MATTERS!
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Mr. Moore, please do not deceive yourself and others. You are NOT an evangelical because by your actions you deny the essence of the Christian gospel. You are a very right wing of fundamentalism and you actually deny the heart of the Christian gospel. Some of your answers are absolute lies. You had better read carefully the Sermon on the Mount found in the early chapters of Matthew. Yes, Matthew is in the Bible but evidently unknown to you!!
This reminds me of the Catholic Bishops and Cardinals who tried so hard to cover the tracks of pedophile priests.
The teachings of Jesus lay crushed and broken under the wheels of power and greed- again.
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Get real America.
You already elected a SELF PROCLAIMED (and braggart on tape) sexual predator to be your president.
Republicans fake outrage is laughable and embarrassing.
Besides what more harm could one more sexual predator do?
Moore can NOT trump the predator-in-chief.
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"He's led by God"? Since when is God a sexual predator who gives license to men like Moore to do the same?
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A question all Americans should be asking themselves.
What kind of Christian is a sexual predator?
God told them to do this?
We already have a reality TV personality and SELF PROCLAIMED sexual predator pretending to be a real president.
Just add Moore to his cabinet.
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Add "more" to the online main page headline.
Moore is a sexist, mysoginist cretin trying to wrap himself in a Christian blanket ; it should be a sack cloth and placement in a public stockade and there he and the liar in chief whose history with women is quite similar as a predator ,can try to make it a media and Leftist attack. 2 things these miscreants cant abide is the truth and scrutiny I nto their litany of misdeeds and bad acts against women. Lock them up !
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Oh ye faithful, answer this question.
Would you feel the same way if Moore had been led by God to molest one of your daughters?
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Well, all I really know is Pamela Hicks is an idiot.
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According to Ivanka, “there’s a special place in hell for people who prey on children.” Yes.
So is there a circle of hell, too, for people who neglect children, resulting in harm? As to that, what's the latest on the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) that Congress needed to reauthorize by September 30? Haven't heard much about that since sometime in October. Did they ever get around to taking care of those children? Maybe Ivanka could check and get back to us.
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If I wanted to live in a theocracy, I'd move to Iran.
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Spams the "like" button
You don't have to go that far, theocracy is alive and well in Utah.
The brain-washed fox so-called news, social media, radical religion victims will not change their minds. They are still fighting the civil war and ancient rivalries from the "old country".
They have not taken the advantage of the opportunity The United States of America offers to get a decent education and learn about the world. Their deep-seated hatred and "isms" keep them from actually thinking.
However, there are many reasonable people in Alabama who finally see what a monster Roy Moore. Rachel Maddow (MSNBC 9 pm weeknights) reported last night that an extremely "conservative" news site has pulled it's support for the predator.
Smart people in Alabama will vote for the democratic candidate to save themselves from the democracy-destroying Robber Barons who had the gall to try to get Moore elected.
WE THE PEOPLE will make sure he never sits in OUR United States Senate.
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He may very well be guilty as sin. But the timing and nature of these accusations are certainly suspect. Remember those 10 or so women who, prior to the election, said Trump harassed them? After the election, all of those accusations and women magically went away. And remember when it was revealed that the Clinton campaign paid people to start brawls at Trump campaign events?
When people suddenly come out of the woodwork 40 years later, and do so a few days before an election, it certainly raises eyebrows. Do you believe in coincidences?
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They didn't magically go away. Many lawsuits are still pending against Trump.
In the 80s, in my early 20s, I worked for a silicon valley company and was sexually harassed by several guys. One top manager decided he was "in love" with me, left his wife, got an apartment, had the rest of our lives planned out down to what dress I would wear to dinner at his favorite restaurant, thought I would be a great stepmom to his kids (who were only a couple years younger than me) and sprang that all onto unsuspecting me in a meeting that ostensibly was called to discuss my job performance!!!
He hounded me all summer, left pleading tearful messages on my answering machine, tried to hug and kiss me in the break room and otherwise made an intimidating. miserable pest of himself. My boyfriend at the time knew, but no one else.
I kept telling him to leave me alone and finally one day he was mean when I was late to work I got up my nerve to say "OK, let's call so-and-so in HR right this minute. You can tell them I was late and I can tell them what you have been doing to me the past four months."
He walked out of the room, never spoke to me again, left the company soon after and I've have never told anyone else to this day.
Stop with the "if it really happened they would've said something long ago." You have ZERO idea what you are talking about.
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it's certainly feasible that the allegations have surfaced as a matter of conscience, not conspiracy. The women feel obligated to tell their truth.
That doesn't imply a lie, but a report. There is no legal consequence to Roy Moore's actions from 40 years ago, but it sure has social consequence to the women who have reported his behavior. A holier than thou one sided approach blurs the complete story.
It's much more likely Roy Moore is reinventing his/story than the women are making up theirs.
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the 10 women who came forward to say Trump molested them did not magically go away. Rather, tragically,The public chose not to believe them and he got elected despite his own admission on the tape that he grabbed women by their genitalia. Now, one year later, the US seems a different place. People are believing women and the sexual predators are facing their demons and the law. Perhaps the majority of Americans now realize what a mistake it was to elect a sexual predator and are determined not to let it happen again. It is not a few days before the election, by the way. And, no, I dont remember when it was revealed that Clinton paid people to start fights at Trump rallies.
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An issue that seems not to be discussed is whether the actions of a 32 year old man can be laid at the door of a 70 year old man. If these things did happen, then the proper thing for Moore to do would be to apologize, pay compensation and let the Alabama voters decide whether they still want him as their senator. But Alabama removed the 3 year old statute of limitations on such crimes so if Moore apologizes, he would be signing his own admission ticket to prison.
Our penal system depends on the patently false assumption that a man remains the "same person" over many decades. But he does not. Who is Moore now? Who was Moore 38 years ago? It isn't a 32 year old man running for election.
Maybe the 70 year old man is distasteful in his own way. But that issue is for the voters to decide.
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"An issue that seems not to be discussed is whether the actions of a 32 year old man can be laid at the door of a 70 year old man."....Is the 70 year old man lying about what he did when he was 32? Is lying a disqualifer?
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Maybe he's different but he's not any better - it seems pretty clear he was skeevy then and is a liar and a bully now. I don't give any merit to the idea that he can't apologize for his actions because CONSEQUENCES. If the consequences are so terrible perhaps he shouldn't have done the wrong in the first place. Or kept on with the wrong over the years. Or called all the women liars.
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A party and its voters who have completely lost their moral compass.
This is the challenge that this country needs to wrestle with over the upcoming decades.
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Mr. Moore may be guilty of chasing after younger girls and should step down. The problem is that it is political motivation at its best. We watched the actions of a serial predator as president for 8 years, chose to berate his acusers, voted for his enabling wife to represent the democratic party, and somehow thats ok. Of course there is a double standard, and people have lost faith jn our press and leaders.
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Yes, there is a double standard. The women who accused Bill Clinton were of legal age and the right has screamed about them for 25 years. They even blame his wife after that long.
Now they are happy to vote for someone who did the same or worse with women who were still in their teens, shrugging off any accusation of hypocrisy.
Right wingers, particularly evangelicals, sure get away with things nobody else ever would among their own. That's a true double standard.
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Sexual harrassment knows no party. Just ask Harvey.
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I wonder why the need to release the yearbook for handwriting analysis to take place? I have seen images of the yearbook entry all over the internet. What more do they need to give a hand-writing expert? Why can't Moore use the already published images? I am asking... I am not a handwriting expert, obviously.
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Where were all these people ( accusers and supporters alike ) decades ago ?
I firmly believe the women, and want to know more as to why there were not police reports , and if there, why were they seemingly suppressed or swept under the rug. I want to know where were supporters and law enforce in general. I want to know what is wrong with the people of Alabama\republicans that they continually vote for this guy.
I want to know why 535 members of Congress, The President, The VIce President and anyone in front of a microphone is not firmly denouncing this guy and going a step further to suggest more protections for women.
I want to know why Americans voted for the President when they heard him on tape ADMITTING that he had sexually assaulted women.
The behaviour starts from the top.
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If you want to know there aren't police reports, you have a lot to learn about girls and young women dealing with this crap. Especially in 1977.
Much has been written about why these crimes are not reported. Read it. And talk with---and most importantly---listen to the women you know. They'll tell you.
Every woman I know understands this.
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Perhaps the Moore supporters feel hoodwinked by a man, cloaked in a cape of Christianity and the gab of godliness, and they continue defending him out of embarrassment. It would be far less painful for them and the rest of us for the supporters to admit that they were taken in by Moore´s 10 Commandments drama and either sit out the election or God Forbid, elect a democrat who aims to represent all Alabamians, the blue and the red ones.
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Now we hear that Moore was banned from the local mall due to his predatory practices. Someone that bad should not be allowed to flip hamburgers at a fast food joint, let along serve in the US Senate. Then again, when I look at the current composition of Congress and consider the members’ temperament and civility… well, Moore might fit right in.
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For every woman who has come forward to tell their atories about Roy Moore, there are several that haven’t. Think about that for a minute. Serial sexual predators don’t ever, in my experience, stop with a few encounters.
I so relate to these women’s stories, they are as familiar to me as my own memories.
I hope that these stories move more women to talk about their experiences. Talking about my sexual abuse was very freeing and powerful for me. Not everybody approved, some even castigated me for “asking for it”. But while I found some disapproval, I also found many, many expressions of sympathy for my past and good wishes for my future. It helped me find a measure of peace and contentment in my present. Now, I use every opportunity to support survivors of sexual abuse and assault. My message is: I am here for you. I believe you. You are important.
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As much as I abhor Roy Moore, I think he's entitled to challenge the authenticity of a written yearbook comment and signature offered as incriminating evidence. His defence of accusations thus far has been implausible and unconvincing.
A handwriting analysis by an independent expert would either corroborate this particular complaint or discredit it. It would seem to me that if Ms. Allread is convinced of to its bonafides, she would welcome the opportunity to call Mr. Moore's bluff.
Beyond that, we can only hope the people of Alabama will see fit not only to elect a candidate that could creditably represent their interests in Washington but at the same time tighten the reins on a runaway presidency and a cynical, sycophantic congress.
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This could turn into a win-win for Republicans: Mitch McConnell and others show "moral character" by encouraging a write-in vote for Alabama's most popular son, Jeff Sessions, who, upon winning a write-in, will step down as Attorney General to preserve the GOP's slim majority, while simultaneously ridding Trump of his meddlesome priest and allowing appointment of an even greater toad to the position of AG.
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People in Alabama seem to be caught up in their own weird value system time warp that the state has nurtured over the years and remains intact. They can't see past their borders and feel they are entitled to act weird (e.g.fundamental Christianity) because it is part of their religious principles. It seems bizarre to most, but they feel they are preserving their heritage and that is what pushes them to resist change. Roy Moore is part of that heritage. They feel that Roy is like Jesus, persecuted for unjust cause.
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“I’m the only one who can unite Democrats and Republicans because I seem to be opposed by both.”
That quote from Roy Moore should be enough of a reason for Mr. Moore to bow out now. He has little support beyond those who will ignore everything so long as there is a little (r) next to his name on the ballot.
I suspect that we’ll soon see Jeff Sessions being “encouraged” to resign his AG post, and offer himself as a write in candidate. Yeah, that will likely split the vote, but it does allow Sessions some degree of a graceful exit from Trump.
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Ray Moore is definitely the man who is all hat an no cattle. And beneath the hat there isn't much of anything that would qualify him to be a judge lawmaker.
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We are a country of laws and at it’s core is one is innocent until proven guilty , beyond a reasonable doubt.I personally believe More is guilty, however my opinion alone is worthless in convicting this man. Lets stop the he said She Said & bring it before a Congressional Committee & let them decide.The appointment is too important to let it slide by.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.” I've seen this sentiment expressed several times by Alabamans. More than just a senate seat, December 12 will tell us where the *people* of Alabama really stand.
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Bill Clinton claimed to be led by God, too, but apparently they only recognize snake oil when it comes from a Democrat.
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Moore always wanted to be the evangelical preacher. That's fine, but religious zealotry to the point of ignoring US laws and the Constitution is unacceptable for a public position, and certainly for a judge or senator.
Mr. Moore, you do not belong in any government position. You do not respect the law.
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Where were all these people ( accusers and supporters alike ) decades ago ?
I firmly believe the women, and want to know more as to why there were not police reports , and if there, why were they seemingly suppressed or swept under the rug. I want to know where were supporters and law enforce in general. I want to know what is wrong with the people of Alabama\republicans that they continually vote for this guy.
I want to know why 535 members of Congress, The President, The VIce President and anyone in front of a microphone is not firmly denouncing this guy and going a step further to suggest more protections for women.
I want to know why Americans voted for the President when they heard him on tape ADMITTING that he had sexually assaulted women.
The behaviour starts from the top.
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It is amazing to see the worst of religiosity at play as well as the victim blaming. No wonder women don’t come forward. Their intentions questioned, their lives on display...why would women have the courage to step forward when they see the vicious attacks and lies by Roy Moore believed in their communities ? Men who think they have power, like Roy Moore, believe they can rewrite history with no consequence.
Just wait Roy Moore.
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Consider that Alabama GOP Governor Bentley was only recently forced to resign over adultery allegations with his private foundation paid staffer. The current governor assumed his office only after long denials he could not overcome. He plead out his criminal case. Civil suit against him by the whistleblower is ongoing. The Alabama House Speaker was recently convicted of 11 felonies over corruption. His appeal is ongoing. One party rule has had a terrible impact in Alabama and the Alabama Republican Party has big problems. Sure, Democrats have issues of corruption in the state as well. Hopefully, Karma will guide the Democrat Doug Jones to the Senate and the people of the Great State of Alabama will get a wake up call. Power corrupts and that is quite evident in Alabama.
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Regarding Ms Hicks' remark, what is attacked is the insistence on the part of some Christians that the rest of the country live by their rules and their version of God. That and imposing God on government.
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“I’m the only one who can unite Democrats and Republicans because I seem to be opposed by both.”
No, Mr. Moore, you unite people who are repulsed by your behavior and beliefs.
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“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday. “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Ms. Hicks - I am a Christian. I have taught Sunday School for the last 10 years, led teenagers on pilgrimage, and I send my kids to a Christian camp. You do not speak for me. I am saddened every day by those who debase Christianity with loathsome views and behavior.
God wants us to love one another. He wants us to use the brains that he gave us. If we are inclined to lead, God wants us to lead by example, as Jesus did.
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Just think of how many people are like the ones quoted here, who day after day let their tribalism, racism, magical thinking and credence in the supernatural override common sense, rational standards and decency.
It's unbelievable that a majority of the political power in the country - at the state, local and national level, in all three branches of government -- has been ceded to such ilk.
It's pretty disheartening. We truly are devolving into an idiocracy.
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If he's "led by God," does God sanction sexual abuse of minors? Amazing what goes on in the name of religion. Reminiscent of Warren Jeffs and yesterday's op-ed from Bethany Mandel, "Roy Moore Reminds Me of My Rabbi." When will morality and human decency really count? And why are those values conditioned upon and by one's political beliefs and religious association rather than just acceptable norms?
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I’m SURE there is plenty of footage from Gadson Mall of Moore hovering around the teens. Larry Flint, please make an offer to pay for footage of this guy in action!
Sigh. Isn't there any embarrassing news from Mississippi that we can focus on? Seriously though, do not count Moore out precisely for the reasons illustrated in the final quote of this article. Many Southerner Christians seem to relish feeling persecuted for their religious and political/social beliefs when in fact it's not their belief systems being attacked so much as their actions associated with them. For example, my in-laws believe strongly in bringing "God" back into the schools. I have no problem with God being in school; I do have a problem with requiring children in a public school to participate in organized (i.e. led by teachers) Christian activities like reading the bible, learning passages from the bible, or praying as a group, etc. That would be a case of one group imposing their religious beliefs on another group who may or may not share their beliefs. The other reason that Moore will be elected by my fellow Alabamians is their black-and-white view of the world: you are either Christian or you aren't. (Kind of like being an Auburn or Alabama fan.) And if you declare yourself a Christian, it really doesn't matter what you do in your spare time because God will judge you in the end.
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Why don't these "good Christians" feel it is their duty to protect the women from attacks?
Not just the original assaults, but the orchestrated attacks from the community and party calling them liars and worse? Threatening their safety and lives?
Presumably most if not all of these women are also Christians under attack?
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If Moore is being led by God, which God is leading him? It’s time for people like Moore to be called out for their behavior. On top of the penchant for going after young girls, the man has a history of intolerance toward certain groups of people a disrespect for the rule of law . This is NOT what Republicans or representative of the legislative branch of government should be representing. Hopefully the Republicans in the Senate and House will remember this.
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Why has no one suggested that Moore and his chief accusers (the underage and those who allege assaultive behavior, take lie detector tests to be administered by FBI or someone acceptable to both sides? This case is being tried in the court of public opinion and will never reach a court of law. An innocent man and a truthful woman should have nothing to fear from a properly administered test. I can well understand why the two sides have not brought it up but I cannot understand why the media and politicians of both parties have not even mentioned it.
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Of these 9 courageous women who have stepped forward....Think it will change the mind of any Alabama Republican? Doubtful. More likely to hear...”Bless their hearts. Now pass me the gravy and biscuits, then do your chores, clean daddy’s gun and get ready for church”
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Did the myriad women who stepped forward and accused Bill Clinton of everything from sexual harassment to rape change your mind? Let's end the hypocrisy.
Moore = Republican Party. Nothing else matters for Putin.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters,” says a Moore supporter after more women have come forward accusing him of sexual misconduct. Hum . . . when you get down (or is it up) to blaming God one doth seem to be at wits end and teetering beyond that to maybe next, “The devil made me do it, and he is a Democrat for sure.”
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More and more women who were teenagers are coming out. And yet Roy Moore and his backers remain defiant and in total denial. The latest is Alabama GOP. Polls show that despite all this Roy Moore enjoys significant support. If Alabama's women particularly white women spoke up his support will collapse. What mother would want to condone Roy Moore like behaviour just fo be able to vote GOP? Lost in all this is that Alabama's sexual misconduct problems are not unique they are a part of the ongoing national problem. It's not some "state's rights" thing that Alabamians tend to usually emphasize. It's a pivotal women's issue and women nationwide need to take the lead. Women of Alabama arise!!!!
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Moore did what he did. Trump, much the same. If Alabama can't see straight having a Democratic Senator and are willing to sacrifice their "Christian Morals", they can't complain when they become the poster child for "This is your brain on stupid". Moore and Trump show little respect for women. Most Americans will do the same for Alabama. Like President Trump, he's all yours.
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when they become the poster child?
They've been that since the civil rights '60s.
It would be a simple matter to find legal documents signed by Moore. They would be part of court case files that most every state I know of began saving to microfilm back in the 1970s. And even if for some reason documents dating from the time period when he was making himself a pest at the Gadsden Mall don't exist, which is highly unlikely, a handwriting analyst could use a present day sample to determine if he signed that yearbook.
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@redweather
And what of the other EIGHT women? Do you demand documented proof they exist too?
For those of you who keep saying of these interactions "if true" I've got news for you: by continuing to support a highly suspect child molester, you bear the stain of his sin as well.
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The age of the ink can also be ascertained...
I would like nothing better than to see Mr. Moore exposed for what he has always been.
Pamela Hicks, Alabama Apartment Manager, is quoted in this article as saying "If he is led by God, nothing else manners." I trust she does not represent the good people in Alabama.
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I have to drive cross-country in January, and given the expeced conditions, probably thru Alabama.
Frankly, I'm scared.
and yes, I've seen Easy Rider.
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Mr. Moore's wife was 24 when he married her at age 38.
Does that lend any credibility that when he was six years younger he was dating women that were six years younger.
Probably not, but it certainly reinforces that he had an eye for much younger women.
What's the old adage, take your age, divide it by two, and add seven. You shouldn't date anyone less than that age.
In Mr. Moore's case, 38 divided by two plus seven equals 26. His bride was 24. Not normal. Not criminal, but certainly not normal.
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Nope, not normal. Impossible for an older person to love a younger person.
When they married, Cary Grant was 61, and Dyan Cannon, 27.
You want to try that again?
No.
But thanks for pointing out an outlier to the data.
Roy Moore has got nothing on this sexual predator.
“If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
JDT republican president
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Touche.
Can we not find out why Mr. Moore had been banned from the mall?
Surely the records exist along with comments as to why?
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Christopher:
Perhaps this occurred in the barbaric years before malls kept formal logs of pervs who they banned. Frankly, this is still an issue, as there are no uniform US standards for mall lech recordkeeping, even though such databases have been required in the EU for years.
As a liberal, I could argue that the government intercede and require malls to keep such records, perhaps in a lockbox, but in this case, I am happy to leave this up to the animal spirits of the free market, rather than hinder job creation.
Sincerely,
Bryan
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One of the few times I've actually chuckled out loud at a Times comment, Brian. Well done!
If this man's actions have been led by God, that's the best argument for separation of Church and State yet.
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What a dark time we're in that this story is lasting more than a day. He should have been forcefully condemned by everyone immediately and resigned from the race in shame. That he's fighting and that some are standing by him is a testament to the power of the Trump era. It's very sad.
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Not only a few Republicans inside and outside of congress are passing the word, "Better a pedaphile than a democrat".
How many years ago would that be unacceptable in our society?
Now congress fights beyond dirty.
Republican votes in the senate are priceless.
Thats why i think he will win, be seated, and not expelled.
For 'Bama, he's just a good ole boy.
Watch.
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Wow. So either there is a vast conspiracy involving all of these accusers, their witnesses (including people who heard about these actions years ago), all the people who have witnessed this guy doing creepy things in malls and restaurants and legal offices, the Democrats, elected Republicans in Washington, Sean Hannity, the Washington Post, this Birmingham newspaper, and probably George Soros and Hillary of course…
...or else he’s just a pervert.
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Moore's predatory sexual behavior is disgusting and should certainly disqualify him from a senate seat. Beyond that, how is it possible that a man who twice was ousted from the Alabama Supreme Court for defying federal law could possibly become a US Senator. He obviously has no respect for women or the integrity of the US constitution.
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Unfortunately your last sentence describes our POTUS as well.
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Apparently, it takes the word of more than nine women to equal the word of one man in Alabama. Pretty sad.
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Apparently 9 is not many enough since it's still disputed.
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Remember the concept of "presumed innocence?" The weight of evidence should always favor innocence, especially when based on testimony without corroborating physical evidence. Nine-to-one might be a bit of a stretch, but one-to-one would be a real problem.
I was satisfied when the first four women came forward.
Did you think the same thing when many women came out and said Clinton raped them? Did you say anything when Clinton paid a woman 850K as a payoff for molesting her? Just curious as to how far your sadness extends.
“All I really know is that Christians will always be attacked no matter what,” said Pamela Hicks, an apartment manager who attended Mr. Moore’s speech on Tuesday.
“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
Welcome to our national insane asylum, brought to you by God, Greed and Guns Over People.
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Your last sentence is spot-on!
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I enjoy reading your posts. Your insights remind me of my Jesuit philosophy Professor from Saint Louis University. I would like to know what your career was/is.
Sincerely rslay0204
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And don't forget this gem...
“Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus”.
Therefore Roy Moore is completely innocent.
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"Ms. Gray said she eventually complained to her manager that he would not leave her alone and was later told that Mr. Moore had been banned from the mall."
The smoking gun...............
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Ms. Hicks, it is only hypocritical, holier than thou, judgmental, vindictive, hate filled, mean spirited pseudo Christians who will always be attacked, not only for perverting the word of Christ but for perverting the meaning of decency. Roy Moore is just one more of them.
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Some day we (America) really ought to give separation of church and state a try. You know, just for laughs; see how it goes.
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Disgusting that so many of his religious supporters give him their blind "faith" whether he is guilty or not, or believe it's a conspiracy and the women are all lying.
Perhaps in addition to having a handwriting expert examine his alleged perverted love note, Moore and his accusers should submit to lie detector tests to see who is telling the truth and who is is not.
One other idea if that one doesn't fly. Since politicians like to attach inappropriate items to proposed legislation, if enough Senators want to see Moore go they should add an agreement to the tax bill to unseat him after the election and maybe it will have a better chance of passing and accomplish both of those goals.
Or maybe Moore just needs to suck it up, step down and stop being such a distraction, and have faith that he'll prove his accusers wrong.
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Evidently, Moore is to darn self-righteous & power hungry...
Re last paragraph: which god would that be?
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I dunno. Randy old Zeus, maybe?
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Let us not forget that Roy Moore was, and remains, the hand-picked favorite candidate of Steve Bannon, a guy who wrote the book explaining how the ends should justify the means. May they both end up walking the same plank to oblivion.
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Wherefore art thou, Steve Bannon?
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Of course, you forgot to mention that Bannon stated very clearly:
"I will put Moore in a grave myself"
I’ve got bad news for Mr. Moore.
When it comes down to “Release the yearbook.”, you’ve already lost.
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McConnell pulling out all stops to save the Alabama senate seat.
Even postponing the election.
We shall see how the 17th Ammendment gets manipulated.
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You know they say, "Where there's smoke there's fire!" Well it appears for Mr. Moore "Where there's Fire there's Fire."
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If the good people of Alabama are true Christians they would not vote for this alleged child molester. There is too much circumstantial evidence to take a chance on this guy.
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Heck, the “good” people of that red state voted for the commander-in-chief of all sexual predators. The US president is a SELF PROCLAIMED and braggart sexual predator!
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Circumstantial? No, this is direct evidence of women saying what happened to them when they were girls and Moore was District Attorney. It's neither circumstantial nor is it hearsay. It's what they say happened. Moore disputes all their accounts. The people of Alabama can judge the situation at the polls.
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It is only that critical mass has be achieved, that women are now believed... To me, that is the saddest part of the misogyny now exposed.
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If Moore is led by God as one of his supporters says, it is not the God of the Bible--either the Hebrew one the New Testament. The God of the four gospels or the seven letters we know that SaintPaul wrote has no forgiving words for child molesters. Moore is too close to Hades and the devil.
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... and that's how important that yearbook message is. If they can't discredit that, the balance of believability shifts more to the accuser and Moore appears to have done precisely what she said he did. Look, the mudline is that the man is a sexual predator and no amount of bluster will change that.
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So it's not enough that 9 women have come forward, each with their own story, many of them corroborated? You would rather put your belief in the yearbook?
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At this rate Roy Moore could run for president of the US since republicans already voted in a SELF PROCLAIMED ( and braggart) sexual predator last year.
They claim ourrage and Christian morals and vote with party anyway.
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Isn't this enough yet?
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Your article ends with "Write a Comment" but what is there possibly left to say? It's all so breathtakingly beyond the pale, all of it. His actions. His defense. His defenders. My head spins, I'm defenseless in the face of the relentless lies, rationalization, and norm breaking behavior of the anti-democratic, big money right, the "Christian"-principles-at-any-cost right, the racist right. And the politicians who willingly sacrifice our country for power.
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huge amen, eileen.
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The last sentence of this article demonstrates the total depravity of some so-called Christians. Pamela Hicks believes that Christians "will always be attacked.." Then she finished with “It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.” God led him to stalk teenage girls and assault them???
Oh wait! I remember now! Probably the same God that approved of Lot offering his 2 virgin daughters to a crowd of angry men intent on raping the 2 male angels sent to destroy Sodom. Genesis 19 the same passages used by some Christians to prove that God hates gays!
What is wrong with people? There comes a point where one has to discount conspiracy theories when so many victims come forward with similar allegations. Moore is a low-life creep. A predator. It boggles the mind that Alabama republicans continue to support him. That Moore isn't backing down gives us a glimpse into who he really is. A seriously evil man.
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"What is wrong with people?"
Religion. But there may be hope that it can be stopped before it destroys civilization entirely.
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It could be true, it could be false, but he's led by God and that's all that matters". Do these people realize how asinine comments like that sound? If you want to vote for Roy Moore, then do so, but stop trying to paint him as godly! Believe me, God didn't lead him to that mall to prey on young women.
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Asinine AND hypocritical.
Imagine if Barack Obama had a history of hitting on children?
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It isn't 'asinine' to many, many Americans. Try to understand other views.
Maybe he's a repentant sinner. In which case, it's all good.
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“It could be true, it could be false, but he’s led by God, and that’s all that matters.”
That's pretty sick.
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I do not believe moore will ever voluntarily quit the Senate race. He honestly believes he is on a mission from his God. It is the same way he defied the the Supreme Court and his 10 Commandments display, the laws of mortal man do not apply to him. Mr. moore is more than a zealot, he is quite mad.
It is now up to the voters of the State of Alabama. Do you follow the false prophet or do you write in another candidate that can represent the people of Alabama?
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Or vote for Doug Jones who will represent AL in a wise, professional, & knowledgeable way.
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Voters of Alabama? I think it's quite safe to assume they will follow the false prophet...
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You vote for the Democrat and bring Alabama into the 20th century. I know they will be 17 years too late, but it's a start. Baby steps.
Sounds like it’s time for Roy Moore, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump to face the consequences. This is a moral issue that transcends politics.
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Agreed Mrs Ming. Although all three are alleged sexual perverts, harassers or whatever you want to call it but.
1-Moore is alleged to be a child molester.
2-Trump de facto admitted on the Bush tape that he is a sexual predator.
3-Slick Willie never admitted in general of being a sexual predator or was accused of heinous crimes like Moore is.
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Let's see, bill Clinton was impeached; Roy Moore is running for the Senate; Donald Trump got elected president.
Yep, same treatment for all of them.
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The problem with your comment is that in Bill Clinton's case, Monica Lewinski was over 18 and the affair was consentual. He was guilty of being a philandering husband, not a predator of unwilling teenage girls.
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