None of them have private servers in their homes, none work for the US State Dept and having top secret clearance and none are letting their emails land on the laptop of Anthony Weiner
It's not illegal but let's smear these people anyway.
Maybe Ivanka's emails were about yoga and her sister;s upcoming wedding.
The "crime" of using a private email server never warranted the "Lock Her Up" sentence Trump chanted for Hillary. However, that Trump, his family and his staff would turn around and do the exact same thing after that degree of scapegoating and with such brazen smugness makes me think a little time behind bars might be just the remedy this nation needs. It's pretty bad when the head of the DEA feels compelled to quite because the president doesn't respect the rule of law.
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This issue is old.
It is irrelevant how many email addresses a government employee has. What is relevant is that government business is conducted on government systems using government addresses. And that government systems and addresses are only used for government work.
The whitehouse is unique in that there is both a government system and a political party provided sytem for political work.
Outside the whitehouse political activity must occur in private facilities.
The Trump administration used personal email accounts that were secure. Unlike MS. Clinton. And I love the tweet pointing out that they used personal emails to campaign against HIllary. Of course they did, they were not government employees at the time. Were they supposed to use government emails that did not exist at the time?
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Everybody has email accounts the question is did they store top secret special access only government papers on their private servers like Hillary did, if so then they need to be prosecuted along with Hillary.
Government servers get hacked all the time. Thus, the use of a private email server by Hillary Clinton should have been seen as a common sense security measure. I wouldn't make a big deal about the Trump circle's use of private email either, but they maliciously and hypocritically used this issue to mislead the American public to think something wrong was going on when Hillary Clinton did it while they were doing the same thing.
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Hillary established the precedent. Mueller and Sessions failed to hold her accountable. Now, open season on secrecy. What scintillating leaks will entertain us now?
I have not heard any Republican commenting on Kushner et al. sending government business from their personal computers. When Hillary Clinton was accused of this the Republicans wanted to hang her. The entire Presidential Campaign focused on Hillary and the emails. The Republicans turned this matter over to the FBI and FBI Comey investigated the emails. Although, Comey found that no crime was committed the Republicans, especially, Jason Chavetz, Trey Goudy, Mike Pompeo, etc, insisted that she really did commit a crime and were relentless with their accusation.
Why aren't the Republicans reacting in the same manner? I'm waiting for a response from them!
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And do you think any of the Trump base will ever hear about this? Not likely.
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I honestly think that this is the reason for all the shouting coming from Trump's white palace right now. It's a real heavy lift trying to get attention away from the very thing Trump was accusing his opponent of doing during the 2016 presidential campaign and encouraging all his misguided cyber apostles to scream, "Lock her up." Why isn’t someone making as big a deal out of Trump and his entourage’s private server crimes as he did with Ms. Hillary? No one deserves payback as much as Trump.
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It never ceases to amaze me just how morally bankrupt and hypocritical every single person Trump selects to surround himself with is. This pulsing id of a man and his administration are walking studies in psychological projection; he constantly reflects his own dishonesty into other people, telegraphing every transgression he's literally in the middle of committing.
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This is confounding considering use of private emails for government business was the cornerstone of Trump's campaign against Clinton.
Trump is an Idiot surrounded by other idiots. It's like a bad reality show. Too bad we can't change the channel.
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Citizens like myself, are waiting eagerly, to see what actions President Trump will ultimately decide to take in order to show swift & sure condemnation of the individuals who have displayed disrespect & a complete lack of loyalty to President Trump.
Loyalty is something the President has expressed is necessary in order for a positive & productive relationship to exist.
The individuals who have indulged in the abhorrent activity under discussion, cannot beg ignorance as an excuse.
Since the very beginning of President Trump's campaign: he has expressed clear disdain for those who would put our nation in danger by conducting sensitive government work, while using private modes of communication, whether it be by email or by casual conversation.
The latter being something he is familiar with…
The President may have sadly come to that old realization ( like so many men in the small group of the tremendously successful who have "made it" solely through backbreaking, hard work, long hours & steely determination) "when you want a job done well, you have to do it yourself"
... Heaven help us!
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"Lock Them Up. Lock Them Up"
Never mind, I felt like an idiot repeating a meaningless chant with no information a crime was committed.
Do you think Sessions ever felt the same way?
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Nothing surprising here. This unfit administration has gone against most time-honored traditions of American leadership every day. The unfit hypocrisy is perhaps the most troubling, as some supporters are so partisan as to not be able to recognize the constant affronts. The normalization of lies, anti-intellectualism and hypocrisy are the large problems that will take decades to fix. Very sad to watch these fellow Americans be so scared and confused by fox, breitbartsimpson, and infowars. Sadly undereducated.
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IOTR: It's OK, They're Republicans
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The current occupants of the White House said whatever was needed to win. They never once would apply the same standard to themselves. They are Teflon, just wait and see. Hypocrisy with a capital H. But who is surprised? More importantly, will their base even care? Naw.
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OK, on the count of three everyone shout, "Lock 'em up!"
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Trey Gowdy + Kevin Nunes - when do the investigations begin?????
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But what about Hillary?
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So far Trump has been quiet about the revelations. He must see them as a huge embarrassment. During his campaign he and Michael Flynn made a huge fuss of Clinton's use of a private email server while secretary of state, and they urged supporters to chant "lock her up" at their rallies.
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Oh the hypocrisy on full display every day.
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I despise the buffoon fake "president" and his entire family of grifters, but I think this story is about as much of a "nothing burger" as Hillary's private server was.
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This will die by tomorrow, so don't get stressed. FOXNews and Facebook will probably not even report it so all of the Trumpetts that you think will see this news, won't or won't care. They only care if it happens to Clinton.
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This is only the tip of the iceberg with the Trump family of grifters.
Lock them all up!
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Seeing Kushner's smarmy face reminds me. . Isn't he the "diplomat" charged with bringing peace to the Middle East? I'll look for the interview on PBS soon.
Oh. . .Limbaugh will be "interviewing" Jared on his show? Cool !
Jared. Keep your responses monosyllabic for his audience. Think grade school coloring books.
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But her emails..!!
Unbelievable crooks these admin people are..
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Hillary Clinton’s private email was different in at least one respect, she used a private server for the sole purpose of hiding what she wrote.
And yet…
Anyone in the Trump Administration who used private email for official business is a hypocrite, not to mention stupid and/or arrogant. It really is that simple.
Thankfully, this article reminded me of another great mystery. Why exactly are Ivanka and Jared Kushner even involved in government business in the first place?
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Hypocrisy runs rampant in this White House, So now, how about---Ivanka Trump- lock her up! Ivanka & Jared - lock 'em up! Now those have a real ring to those chants. Get these clowns outta here!! We New Yorkers have known Trump for a long time---we KNEW he was bad news all the way around. It's the rest of the country that's just that's now starting to figure it out. Sadly, some will never be able to! I was born and raised in a really red state
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To use Don Jr's famous phrase: I love it.
Clearly this isn't on the scale of HRC's 30K messages and if the Trump campaign hadn't been so all-fired sanctimonious about it, I really wouldn't give a flying fruitcake. However, between "Crooked Hillary" and the frenzied howls of "Lock her up!" -- not to mention the fact that the Tweeter-in-Chief still can't let it go -- this crew richly deserves to have their noses rubbed in their hypocrisy.
It would save a lot of time if they'd all just wear t-shirts saying "Do as I say, not as I do."
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And HRC's 30K emails (apparently personal, which are allowed to be deleted) were nowhere on the scale of Bush 43's administration's 22 MILLION deleted emails.
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they were not allowed, that is obstruction of justice for most people. She decided to delete first and tell the prosecutor later.
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Private email servers, Trump says Lock Them Up. Those are the rules. His supporters say Lock Them Up. Oh sorry they are American hypocrites, gutless to the core
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We should all close our own Gmail accounts just to prove we're not hypocrites ourselves. Or just keep throwing stones since that's so constructive.
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What can one say but "lock them up, lock them up..."
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Should we expect better of an administration that discusses our plans for North Korea over dinner at Mar-a-Lago?
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All this moaning, tsk-tsk-ing and outrage about the hypocrisy and unfairness of it. *They* don't care about hypocrisy and unfairness. They got elected. What They care about now is (1) not getting caught, (2) avoiding the consequences of getting caught, (3) how to get elected next time. And shame on us if we think that elections are the only mechanism which They are contemplating for retaining power.
How does it feel now, now that the shoe is on the other foot?
Or are the Republicans going to pretend they don't know one foot from another, and that it is all part of ODS [Obama Derangement Syndrome]?
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Is the Revenge of the Knuckleheads over yet? When can the nerds come back?
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The hypocrisy is truly breath-taking. Emails on a secure server vs. "sporadic" unsecured emails by (at last count) six of Our Fearless Leader's closest advisers. It's OK, though. They only did this sporadically.
Let's be fair. Probably the reason is that it happened when all of them were so new at their Very Difficult jobs, and new to Washington politics, and the poor widdle things just didn't know any better. Probably also why they consistently lied on their security clearance paperwork. D'oh, they just didn't know any better! This is hard stuff, you guys. Who knew that lying about everything -- their stock in trade -- wasn't something that they should continue doing? No one told them!
Our Fearless Leader's followers still chant "Lock her up!" because like him they are insanely obsessed with Hillary Clinton, and everything gets back to her emails.
But the thing is ...
IOKIYAAR
It's OK If You Are A Republican
The rules don't apply to them, you see. The rules don't apply to the corrupt, mendacious grifters occupying our government whose only goal is self-enrichment. That's been clear for a long time. They have flouted every rule of decent behavior quite apart from their incessant bungling and outright attempts to deconstruct and destroy the pillars that until now have held up our society in some sort of a functional form.
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This is an outrageous and disgusting display of arrogance to the umph degree .
I wonder what Sean Hattity has to say about this . Unreal
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This is conduct due to nefariousness, stupidity, or arrogance. You can discount one, or two, or re-arrange them into your preferred order, but there is no escaping what in a moral society would be the disqualifying fact of the conduct.
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Trump made a huge deal of Hillary's emails but it must be said, he did it with a lot of help from the NYT. "But her emails!" was such an utter non-issue, especially compared with the vast extent of Trump's real and meaningful ethical problems, that the NYT's incessant banging of the drum on that topic was a terrible disservice to the American public. Ultimately there is zero evidence the Clinton server was hacked (unlike the State Dept server, for example) and there is zero evidence that Clinton committed any actual wrongdoing. Had you spent half the ink revealing the extent of Trump's unethical business dealings that you spent implying shady dealings by Clinton, we might have a very different scenario today. You owe us all an apology.
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Trump has no skills.
Is anyone really surprised or shocked by this discovery. Quite possibly the one consistent feature of the Trump administration and Trump White House is hypocracy.
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Don't tell Bernie Sanders, he's "tired of the whole email thing."
The hypocrisy is stunning. It also is now typical.
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Although never a huge Hillary fan, hearing the chants of "Lock her up!" at Trump rallies made me physically ill. The fact that it was encouraged and stoked by the man who is now our President is contemptible. So what are the Faithful going to chant now? Does it even matter to them? What will they say when the first Russian indictments come down? Fake news?
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Trump campaign and the Republicans could not make a big deal about Clinton emails if the media, especially the 24x7 cable channels, didn't make it a big deal - just to have something to talk about. They, the media knew that using private emails was not the big deal they made it out to be, but it was a shiny object and they had to run after it. Yes, Trump and Republicans are hypocrites, but the blame rest solely at the feet of the media.
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The media had a field day with the narrative that HRC was dirty, even when she really wasn't.
And why shouldn't they?? Clinton and her staff used a private server, private accounts, etc., etc. provably storing and communicating classified information on them, and were given a complete pass. No incentive to behave here, when laws are enforced selectively. If Clinton and Co. get pass, so does Trump and Co. If you weren't outraged when the Clintons did it, then please spare me your outrage now.
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Um, they found a handful of emails that were not correctly classified/marked (so she got it wrong), or that were later deemed to not be worthy of classification. The deleted emails were reviewed by lawyers, and some mistakes were made in sorting work-related vs personal. Personal emails are not required to be kept.
As for destroying devices - they followed protocol for that.
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And so we return, yet again, to the old expression, "When you point the finger of blame at someone else, you still have three fingers pointing back at yourself." Or six.
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More TPS (Trump Projection Syndrome). If he's attacking someone you can be sure he and his enablers are guilty of that very thing.
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People seem surprised anew each time this sort of thing happens. Why can't we see that this is a corrupt, lying, defrauding, scoff-law gang of nasties? It is a whole cider-mill of rotten apples--yet we still lift the glass, sip the contents and then cry out in disgust.
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Let's not forget that Donald Trump Sr., after being elected & after entering the WH, was found to be sending all of those crazy tweets from his personal unsecured S3 cell phone, even after being told by admin not to. I believe they had to pry it out of his cold, un-callused hands.
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There is only one way to explain this. Trump and his aids think they are above he law. What applies to everybody else does not apply to them. So sad.
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It is no wonder persons in the Trump White House use private e-mail accounts--Hillary Clinton was never punished for use of a private e-mail server while SecState.
Of course, because the trump cabal lives in an alternate universe, rules do not apply. Until his "base" recognizes that this lack of accountability will lead to the end of American life as we have known it we are doomed.
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When the NY Times finds that Trump’s staff sent thousands of classified emails across the Internet, as did Clinton, then that will be news. Or come back when we find Trump’s staff exclusively did gov’t business via a private email server then withheld half those emails from the US Government. Clinton is still in legal jeopardy, real legal jeopardy for violating the espionage act.
I honestly think that this is the reason for all the shouting coming from Trump's white palace right now. It's a real heavy lift trying to get attention away from the very thing Trump was accusing his opponent of doing during the 2016 presidential campaign and encouraging all his misguided cyber apostles to scream, "Lock her up." Why isn’t someone making as big a deal out of Trump and his entourage’s private server crimes as he did with Ms. Hillary? No one deserves payback as much as Trump.
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Lock them up! Lock them up! Lock them up! Wasn't that the call of the Republican attendees to the Trump rallies when Mr. Trump brought up the topic of Ms. Clinton's poor choice in handling some of her emails?
You would think they would have been more aware of the optics of this behavior. But then, when you think you are above the law then any action seems reasonable. Ain't that right, Jared?
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The actual report on the Clinton emails is interesting. Clinton used a private server as did Colin Powell. Conde Rice did not use emails at all. John Kerry used official department of state email account and infrequently used personal email for official business. The report was more about non-compliance with the department of state IT practices for the preservation of official government documents pursuant to retention schedules and security concerns such as hacking. It had nothing to do with Clinton's criminal intent. Those of us in the public sector, and in the private sector to some extent, are always concerned with the possible breach of security protocols by our employees. I would bet that the so-called 30,000 emails were duplicates of emails. She produced over 55,000 hard copies of emails representing the 30,000 emails that were supposedly "missing". Those emails existed in official government email accounts because she copied other people in the state department. Of those emails there were very few if any, marked classified and some were designated classified after the fact. The tragedy is really that the narrative got away from Clinton and she was not very good at explaining the findings of the report. She should have hired a well spoken IT expert to explain it on her behalf.
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The media didn't help - they conflated those emails with the ones taken in the DNC hack.
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Just because Trump and his supporters use it as a rational for opposing Clinton doesn't mean that it is wrong. Trump supporters will believe anything they are told about the opposition.
To avoid the appearance of a "double standard," Congress MUST conduct an investigation into the use of private email services by certain members of the Trump Administration. This investigation should be done to determine whether the Federal Records Act was violated as well as whether confidential or top secret government information was improperly disclosed by Trump officials. In order to avoid the appearance of a "selective prosecution" and preserve the appearance of an impartial justice system, the FBI must also investigate this matter to determine if any criminal laws were violated. Because this is a subject of immense public interest and the impartiality of the FBI and criminal justice system is in question, the FBI MUST disclose to the American public that it has in fact commenced such an investigation, as permitted under the U.S. Attorney's Manual.
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But it is not illegal for White House officials to use private email accounts as long as they forward work-related messages to their work accounts so they can be preserved.
This should have meant this is a non-story. until it is found that they did as HRC or worse, that is that. If they are forwarding for documentation and not handling classified information this way, then this is not HRC. The false equivalence implied here and embraced by most posted comments makes it that much easier to justify claims of fake news. Stop feeding the monster, It has enough to eat. Trump has little credibility. Why damage your own just to get a little more of a dig in?
So if anyone was wondering about the timing of those controversial NFL tweets...
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Were they bleached after they were subpoenaed? If not, then, What difference, at this point, does it make?
Not only does Trump and his minions think they can condemn others for they themselves feel is okay to do, but more frightening is what Russia tried to do to help Trump win the election is probably okay for them to do at next election. Trump is right, Washington is a swamp, but it's the White House that needs to be drained.
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I guess we should all yell "Lock them up", the hypocrisy from the Trump administration is staggering.
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I wonder if any of these officials could stand up to a 9 hour grilling for this, under oath, in front of a Senate Committee (a la Secretary Clinton).
My guess is they won’t last 5 minutes. Pathetic and hypocritical to say the least.
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Lock them up? I think I heard that somewhere.
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With the Trump administration everything just doesn't stop on "just that".
It's always a drip, drip, drip...
Where is conservative hero Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC)?
Is he already preparing to open an investigation and grill them all, like he and his committee did to Hillary Clinton?
Can't wait to see that happening...
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Oh the hypocrisy. This is too funny, I almost can't believe it.
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It almost sounds as though the 2016 campaign issue of the Democratic candidate's use of a private e-mail server was only a cynical & empty political ploy....
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Are you caring 100 emails that Kushner received that contained no confidential information and that he forwarded to the government server with Clinton's 60,000 private emails, 30.000 of which she deleted?
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Yes, I am.
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You have been Trumped America.
The family that grifts together is the family that fleeces together.
They are robbing us blind, colluding and monetizing the presidency while shrouding themselves in the flag.
Pay attention to what they do, not what they say....
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Puerto Rico, Russian Election Interference, Voter Suppression, Voter Fraud Commission, Health Care Legislation, and Tax "Reform" Legislation - these are the topics I want covered by the NYT in excruciating, boring detail. If the email habits of the current administration are relevant, please include, but please, no stories focused on what may or may not be a problem.
What "Russian Election Interference"?
All we've seen are claims regards, and no evidence to back up those claims.
You do know the difference between assertion and evidence.
What voter fraud? You sound like a Trump supporter claiming he won the popular vote.
Right, Trump sure is ignoring Puerto Rico.
Was the info classified? If yes, lock them up.
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Clinton's wasn't classified either as determined by 14 separate investigations.
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But, of course, this was okay. They are "loyal" Trump followers. They made an "innocent" mistake. What can we expect of these folks who are still "learning" the wrongs and rights of political life? They are still babes in the woods. And congress...well, they will "forgive" and require no atonement other than the words, "Mea culpa, mea culpa", if even that. Jared, Ivanka et al will be blessed by the high priest himself for all their "hard" work and all they "accomplished" only 9 months in to this new administration.
As for Hillary Clinton, well, she is a woman, a Democrat, experienced, and smarter than the combined IQ's of the above. But baggage, so much baggage! I bet this corrupt president is more than pleased in his firing of Mr. Comey, who "bungled Emailgate" (but was getting too close to Russiagate). Just think of what this ex-FBI director would have done to his beloved. But...oops, we do have Mr. Mueller now. So the joke is on The Trump.
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One thing you won't hear Trump supporters chanting at rallies, "Lock them up." Nor will you see a Republican led Congress holding any investigations around the use of private email to do government business. Now, like the good hypocrites they are it will all be all right. Nothing to worry about. Just the fake news media giving Trump a hard time, etc., etc., Frankly, for those of us who still have something called ethics and integrity, politics without real principles is a pretty sickening affair.
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History will note the hypocrisy and cruelty of this administration and the people associated with it.
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no the victors write the history - dems don't want to win
And yet, despite rampant hypocrisy, inability to accomplish anything beyond small-ball executive fiats, Trump's base loves him. Hmmm, what did he both promise and is now delivering that could explain the persistence of this sordid love affair? Racism and xenophobia.
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The false equivalency between trafficking unclassified government information on gmail or yahoo email accounts and trafficking top secret classified information through an unsecured private server is laughable. The first situation is foolish but the second is criminal. Unless Clinton is indicted and tried for her crimes, the Department of Justice will be derelict in its duty.
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Trafficking top secret classified information? References in support, please.
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sorry but HRC DID use a secured server.
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To be fair, Hillary Clinton was a woman seeking power, so it seems only right to crush that by whatever means necessary. Kushner, Bannon, Preibus, these were men exercising their entitlement, so they really ought to be excused.
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I assume you're being sarcastic.
Only the "little people" follow the law.
Only a woman can be "locked up" for using a private email account.
Nothing is illegal, immoral or fattening if you're a member of the GOP.
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I wonder if trump’s university ever offered a
degree on Racketeering ?
Hmmm?
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He said he would hire the smartest people....
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The Trump White House is held to a different standard by Congress and the American people, thus it is likely that nothing will come of these revelations. Like all privileged whites, the Trump White House is constantly excused for problems, while women and minorities are attacked over the smallest things. Thank goodness the Times is trying to get this information out to the public and Congress.
There should be a new position created, an administrator, that LECTURES incoming staff to the White House/West Wing, on what is or isn't proper and necessary.. clearly they STILL lack that.
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This is a classic case of "do as I say, not as I do." Throw in a heaping dose of arrogance and there you have it -- the Trump Administration.
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After listening to trump rail against HRC throughout the campaign for her use of private email, you would think everyone in the WH would 'get it.' Nah, trump surrounds himself with at least six people who lack the smarts to avoid this scene; I can only surmise that they rationalized their use of private email as 'innocent' as opposed to Hillary's obvious malfeasance. Well, the only significant difference I see is that this bunch didn't bother to learn the Hillary lesson. All together now: Lock 'em up! Yes, that's right; lock 'em all up!
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I am so tired of the spoiled child hypocrisy of politics, embodied perfectly in our broken toy of a president.
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Hypocritical, certainly. But for all the noise, it was a simple mistake in Mrs. Clinton's case ... and it's still one here.
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The Tump Administration mantra: do as we say, not as we do. In other words, the little people just don't understand the privileged few.
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Oh, well as long as it was only "occasionally." Why does the Times feel it necessary to use that qualifier - perhaps to differentiate it from and justify their overblown coverage of Hillary's emails? And now they report with a straight face - and expect us to believe - that he set up a private server to send 100 emails in seven months. OK.
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If what's good for the goose is good for the gander, then it would be appropriate to say, "lock them all up."
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And nothing will change just like it hasn't in 8 months.
Other than sole-reliability on Mueller, no one has taken swift action to make things happen NOW. I am referring to those in position to.
All these finds would be considered foolish moves had they be tied to your everyday culprit but apparently when it comes to this Admin, their blatant actions considered savvy that even the smartest of them find themselves dissecting and questioning right and wrong.
How infuriating and exhausting how this ignominiously inane crowd still stand while rapidly destroying decades of history.
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“I think Kushner was sloppy to do this,” [Richard W. Painter] said. “I think Hillary was sloppy. I don’t think any of it was criminal.”
Perhaps both were indeed "sloppy", although that wasn't the adjective Trump and company slung around vehemently throughout the campaign. However, only one of these "sloppy" people is currently working a White House job that provides close, daily access to the president. If grilling Hillary Clinton about her e-mail etiquette was considered appropriate and in the national interest, then it stands to reason that it should be for Mr. Kushner too, and anyone else in this crew who was idiotic enough to use Gmail to communicate with reporters or discuss any aspect of the nation's business.
One would hope that these revelations would signal the death knell for the primal scream that is "Her e-mails!", but somehow I doubt it. Trump will surely spin this to his advantage some way, some how.
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Hillary set the precedent by getting away with it. It's now open to anyone and everyone who wants to use personal email instead of government email.
Again, can this surprise ANYBODY? The president is not a serious person and surrounds himself with folks like himself.
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Ivanka and Jared using their own phones and email make it easier for communication with Russia.
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"“We must not let her take her criminal scheme into the Oval Office,” Mr. Trump said last year."
"Because it will prevent me from taking my criminal scheme into the Oval Office".
Congressman Gowdy, please commence the hearings.
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It's okay to use personal email servers when you're colluding/conspiring with the Russians. It's only wrong to use a personal email server if you are a loyal American public servant. Big difference.
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The one thing that this has in common with HRCs problem is that it gets right into the issue that the opposing side doesn't trust the other. The number of emails doesn't matter. It's about understanding how this looks. Case in point, my first thought is that they are trying to hide whatever Russian communication they were undertaking from the public. May or may not be true but that's a problem now.
The other possibility is that they are incredibly ignorant of how this looks, after all they did with Hillary. Hard to believe the incompetence.
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No one expected Mr. Trump and his family and their entourage to follow rules of convention or rules of law. They were brought in to undo years of good and bad government.
He did not show us his returns and when we found out that he didn't pay taxes no one mined; he groped women and his followers said it was a long time ago. He's defied our strongest allies, not because they've done anything but because they were there and his base wants change. He wants to undo treaties that protected the world for decades or that have laid the ground for divergent government to join the world of nations; he wants to un-write contracts and trade agreements that have fostered growth at home and abroad simply to undo anything that was done by 'Washington,' whatever that means on any given day. He sees the job and a boost to ego; promotion to his brand and way to replace private security for life at government expense.
Is there anyone who thought he and Pence and team would be conventional?
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Folks waiting for Trey Gowdy's next investigation will need lots of patience. But just how important was the email scandal in the first place?
Like the national debt crisis, ("mortgaging our children's future") when you're running against someone it's terribly important, but when you're in office, it doesn't matter at all.
“I am dealing with honorable professionals and getting what I need,” said Ty Cobb, the White House lawyer.
With all the nastiness and gloom surrounding the White House, it's nice to see Trump’s lawyer has a sense of humor, but he botched the punchline. I am pretty sure he meant to say he is dealing with "some very fine people."
They lied about Russian contacts until they got caught. And got caught, and got caught, again and again, each time exposing more lies and cover ups.
They lied about foreign business pursuits and conflicts of interest until they got caught.
And they lied about this matter until they cornered. How very honorable!
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If only the Congress and the American People were as interested in rebuilding Puerto Rico as they are in who emailed who on what.
Yes, it's important, but lives are shattered now. Let's get those folks the help they need. And this time bury the electrical grid for heaven's sake!
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Have we crossed the line of no return in this country? Is fairness, the rule of law, and just basic decency irrelevant, or maybe even undesirable, in the United States of America if these principles don't help your side win? Is there no moral low, no corruption that is out of bounds if it helps your side win? Please don't say that this is so. If it is, all is lost. America will never be great again.
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How can we be sure we have all the facts about Trump officials use of private email without a multi-million dollar congressional investigation?
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Did they use their personal email to conduct official business? This sounds pretty straightforward to me. It's up to the judge and jury to determine guilt or innocence.
Hillary Clinton's e-mail infractions were probably more serious, as she was using a private server for classified communications. However, just to be on the safe side, the Bannon, Miller, Ivanka Trump, Kushner, Cohn, Priebus and other e-mails should be subpoenaed to determine if classified information is contained in any of them. The FBI or Special Counsel Mueller will have to do this, since the hypocrisy of the Trump administration and Congressional Republicans on this issue is obvious.
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In the spirit of fairness, I look forward to Jared Kushner's upcoming 11-hour grilling by a House committee.
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I just hope he is treated in the same manner and with the same lack of respect as they treated Hillary Clinton.
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I suspect the Trump family will not be losing any sleep over this- the great and powerful do not have to live by the same rules. Our patriotic president with the bone spur and the son in law with the Harvard admission ticket and the daughter with Chinese market access are entitlements of a life in the 1%. Cheaters prospering- a condition that undermines the very fabric of a moral universe is well afoot and those who protest or point out the clothelsess emperor will be taken to the lash in public. Our just deserts for being too busy to show up in Florida last November-
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It seems to me that personal email account use would rapidly taper off once appointed officials have a government email account. I shudder a bit to think that this practice of using personal email would not be ended post haste. I certainly don’t trust any of the personal email accounts I use, primarily gmail but there are many others.
That’s not to say that a government email server has been proven to be safer. It’s just common sense that all official business would be run through a government account. This certainly applies in the private sector. Do any readers working for large companies use personal email to conduct company business? I doubt it, and if it did occur, would be stopped immediately.
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Most who have served in government chafe at the rules. Many of those rules are designed to make officials accountable and transparent about decisions. This administration is full of individuals who have never had to follow any rules and don't believe in them. There is no "public" in public service these days.
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Time to hire more federal prosecutors.
Trump and his flunkies have provided so much cause for investigations and indictments that U.S. attorneys, paralegals, and legal researchers will enjoy years of guaranteed full-time employment.
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The President conducts foreign policy on Twitter which is an unsecured commercial platform subject to hacking using a phone on an unsecured cell network. The use of private email accounts by his staff is not nearly as dangerous as using Twitter to threaten the use of military force.
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Once again...the Trump/GOP believes there are two universes...the first is their own, where facts, science, the law, the Constitution, and general perceptions of reality can be invented as needed. The second is for everyone else. Perhaps the first is actually an artifact of dark matter right here on earth.
The mistake usually happens the other way around for me. I accidentally send a personal email on a work account. Auntie Em hits reply-all on her response and suddenly my @work address is floating all over Oz. I can't imagine accidentally sending a monthly report to the board from a personal email though. The only way work gets transmitted through personal is if there is no other connection and the boss is waiting. With the rampant nepotism present in the Trump administration though, I can see how personal and work might get confused. Much the same can be said about Clinton.
There's one important distinction though. Clinton was hosting her own email server. You know who to blame when the information is compromised. Who is hosting the personal email addresses for Trump's advisers? I'd think that knowledge is pretty relevant to national security. Perhaps doubly important as the line between administration and business was never appropriately drawn. Also, Trump behaves like a gangster that won't pick up the phone. I'm guessing any subpoena is probably better served to Google or Yahoo than the Trump administration. Just saying.
These are not "private" email accounts, HRC having the server in her home is a "private" account.
Any LE agency that gets a warrant can get anything they want from the email company. This is exactly what HRC was avoiding, legislative branch oversight.
I don't know about you, but, if I had it my way, any one of the following would market those bumper stickers; Bill Maher; Stephen Colbert; Jon Stewart; John Oliver; and as a prohibitive possibility; Jimmy Kimmel.
Can their security clearances be revoked -- at least temporarily? Please?
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This is a republican administration. Ergo it doesn't count. Simple.
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Bwaa Haa Haa. The Trump populace has the brains of a gnat. They will brush over this without any regard for how truly hypocritical the whole "Lock her up" is. Nothing this group does will be bad enough to change their minds. Nazi's, KKK, nuclear war, the end of the planet to climate change-oh well.
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So these advisors have the email server in their house to avoid oversight (except on her terms)????
OMG is Kushner plain stupid , or just as crooked as he can be? I go for crooked like crooked hillary Clinton. Trump trying to rain back the country into the rule of law and here he is Kushner doing stuff behind his back. He should be fired
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Turump does not care that Jared is using private email. He doesn't care at all what others do as long as it can be made into a news story that will keep him on the front page.
Rein, not rain. And Trump isn't trying to rein anything back. He is crime figure #1 in his administration. No one will ever be even a fraction of how corrupt he is. Hillary Clinton couldn't come close to his levels of corruption if she spent her whole life trying.
It's interesting to me, (and many of us I am sure) how you are so quick to label a woman and a Jew as being corrupt, but not our white nationalist "President."
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Yes and yes.
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Lock them up!
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Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock 'em up!
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If the Senate approved Tom Price who was caught red-handed trading stock in companies he regulated, and has looked the other way while Donald and his family profits from public office, Congress is unlikely to even notice this email story. There won't be any next steps until Democrats control Congress.
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Couldn't agree more. I keep hoping this isn't over yet.
I wonder if Alex Jones and his Infowars propagandists will produce the "Ivanka for Prison" and "Jared for Prison" et al bumper stickers like they did for Hillary during the campaign. I'm gonna guess not.
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I suppose we could waive signs, and shout "Lock 'em up!", but that seems ridiculous, and unbecoming of a liberal democracy...
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Rules are for Trumps adversaries, not for the Trump family.
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"Lock 'em up!'
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Lock them up!!!!
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Perhaps they thought that the "G" in "G-Mail" stood for "government." Maybe AOL wasn't available.
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HRC use a private email server, which was easily hackable, to send classified information. Then she deleted thousands when Congress asked to see them.
There is a big difference in what she did and the Trump family's sporadic use.
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How so? Please, elaborate, I would love to hear why is it ok for the Trumps to use something a lot less secure then a private email server (which was routinely used before, even by Colin Powell). I am all ears.
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How exactly do you know that a private email server is easily hack-able? Actually, a private email server that is away from public view is arguably less hack-able than email accounts sitting on commercial email platforms.
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This is such a distortion of the facts. How was her private email server any more or less easily hackable than the Go Daddy server Kushner used (or any government server, which by the way actually were hacked)? Thousands of emails were retroactively classified, 110 contained information that was classified at the time but (importantly) wasn't marked classified, and something like 3 contained a "C" marking for "confidential" but the State Dept never confirmed they contained classified information. There was much testimony that aides used a separate system for classified information when they knew/realized it was classified (which is harder than the layman believes). The 30,000 emails were deleted prior to Congress asking to receive them; she deleted them in an October 2014 server wipe after preserving emails her legal team deemed work-related, which is all that is required under government regulations.
Please stop repeating false talking points.
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But what about Hillary's emails and Obama's . . . uh, blackness?!
Haters gonna hate. 37% gonna be 37%.
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The response ought to be obvious:
1. Immediately mount a full tilt investigation into this heinous practice, which has placed the security of the nation at risk.
2. Subpoena every last one of those emails, texts, attached documents. There no doubt will be something in there to embarrass someone, and if there isn't, surely one social media site or another can just make stuff up. Besides, we all need to see Ivanka's gefilte fish recipe.
3. Begin circulating conspiracy theories about human trafficking rings doing business at the Trump Hotel in Washington D.C. and a KFC in Bethesda, Maryland.
4. Hold hundreds of hours of hearings at which anyone even tangentially involved can be raked over the coals and members of Congress can fulminate and grandstand to their hearts' content.
5. Dominate the airwaves, internet and headlines with emails, emails and more emails.
6. Invite Russian agents to join in the fun!
7. Explain to us what any of this idiotic nonsense has to do with addressing the nation's pressing problems. Wait, you're telling me it doesn't? Imagine that.
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I suggest one revision to your list... The Russians don't need to be invited to join the party... they have had front row /celebrity seats in the grand ballroom for quite some time.
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Lock them up.
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The Republican party is running our Republic into the sewer. Plain and simple.
The conflict of interest. The nepotism. The lies. The hypocrisy. What will the next president be able to get away with? The bar is in the gutter at this point.
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If hypocracy were a hanging offense, the whole Republican Party would be dead.
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This is why Trump wanted to distract with the NFL players kneeling. Such a hypocrite.
I'd say lock'em up but I hated it when it was said about Hillary.
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these are criminals she is not - scream away
Hey Donald, Lock them up?
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Lock 'em up!
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Lock 'em up!
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The hypocrisy of the Trump family and the GOP knows no bounds.
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Lock. Them. Up!
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How about Mike Pence's Indiana emails??? Let's lock them up!
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LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK ALL OF THEM UP!!
With these fools they could be discussing any kind of treasonous subjects, including but not limited to state secrets.
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I guess it would be in bad taste and bad form to ask Russia if they have any "dirt" on the private emails of the 6 White House officials.
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This is completely, utterly insane.
Secretary Clinton's political career was in no small part destroyed by a fake scandal about a private server that, while inadvisable, was permissible.
Kushner and the other five cannot have 'not known' that private server use as White House officials was illegal.
LOCK THEM UP!
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It is revealing that the very cabal that attacked Mrs Clinton, accusing her of the very same act, are now silent. - Disgusting.
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This article totally distorts the situation. Clinton ran her own private email server - this is completely different from using an email account on Google, Yahoo, AOL, or some similar email provider.
When you have your own server, you can blow away all of the evidence. Yes, you can delete emails on your Google mail account, but Google still has them - at least for a very long time, and investigators can get at them.
In fact, thousands of Clinton's emails "disappeared".
Even worse, real mail servers are professionally managed, and secure - that can't be true for an "amateur hour" server installation in your basement.
What Clinton did was extraordinary, her private server was the host for her primary working email - she was hiding everything; she did not use her approved State Department email account in any meaningful way. And when she was caught, she tried to blame her actions on Colin Powell.
What the Trump staff did, was just trivial negligence, and they quickly admitted it. There is no equivalence.
Everyone is free to either support or not support Trump - but this is not a legitimate issue.
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I don't put any stock in the Bible, but it sure comes in handy every once in a while (as in daily) to point out the multifaceted hypocrisy of Trump, his inner circle and his deplorables. Sinners and their stone-throwing comes to mind here. Thou shalt not lie never gets a moment's rest with this crowd, along with turning the other cheek, especially for the top dog. Love thy neighbor. Lessons about humility and adultery. Have these all been omitted from the Official White House Version of the Bible?
Trump himself is, of course, innocent. He doesn't use email, possibly because autocorrect keeps redlining his version of words and we all know how touchy he is about criticism. With Twitter, no problem. So he feels he is justified in his accusations of criminal conduct on HRC's part. And he applies the part about forgiving others when it is convenient to his purposes.
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I always got away with it when I knew my mother had my back when dad came home from work.
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And so did Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Can we send her and the Trumps to Jail now?
The FBI cleared Hillary. Maybe they will clear these clowns too, but at least I hope they are investigating.
What a bunch of arrogant human beings. After all the anger and vitriol against Secretary Clinton during the campaign over her personal email account, the criminal syndicate that is currently running the country has no problem with using their own personal email accounts. The Secretary never broke any law with the use of her personal email, but these clowns are now under the laws,rules and regulations in place for members of the executive branch and they broke the law. They broke the law. Where are the authorities and why is it taking so long to indict them with violating this law?
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This email thing really needs to be looked at from every angle:
Is every single phone call recorded? No.
How about every single utterance made face to face? No.
Do people use email and text like they would use a phone call or meeting? Yes.
Do people have "off the record" interactions? Of course they do.
It should be up to the individual employee to decide what information should or should not be put in a written form for the public or the history vaults. This is just common sense.
BIG BROTHER! Shocked to see so-called "liberals" making a hue and cry about some vague and unreasonable notion that every utterance made by a government employee must be in writing and collected for the ages. Nonsense!
Yes, Trump is out of his mind. Let's hesitate before we all start agreeing with him, shall we? Even if it is for the noble sake of revenge and the opportunity to point a finger and squeal "hypocrite!" Someone needs to be the adult in the room. It's not the present WH so that leaves we the people.
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The irony...
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Drain the swamp again.
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So should we now expect Donald to bomb someplace or to make a racially charged statement on Twitter to distract everyone?
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In the words of our illustrious leader, DJT...."Lock them up!"
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All I can say is LOCK THEM UP!
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It's very simple: these people, Republicans and Democrats, regard themselves as an entitled, quasi-royal class. They regard themselves as above the rules that apply to (and are enforced on) the government peons. God-like (in their entitled minds), they float above it all.
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This whole mess is, of course Obama's fault.
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Hypocrisy Now. Lock them up.
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Just have to say it: LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! Ok, I feel better now.
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Let's make it simple for the supporters of the current White House occupant to understand: "Lock them Up".
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What goes around, comes around. May they be as hounded for years to come just as they hounded Hillary Clinton.
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Once again, this gang proceeds to do exactly what they accuse others of doing. This is their hypocritical standard way of doing things. Accuse others of doing something as a smokescreen so you can do it yourself. They do this over and over.
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Let's 'lock 'em all up'.
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Another nail in the White House credibility coffin. And suspension of disbelief isn't working anymore. Wait, did I hear any chants of "Lock them up!" Oh no, it was just the wind blowing through the trees.
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Oh, leave them alone. It's not like they handed top secret information to the Russians in the Oval Office.
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Uncovered: more lies and blatant hypocrisy by Trump and his gang? Surprise, surprise, surprise!
The only real question is when do the impeachment or (stolen) election-invalidation hearings begin?
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Nothing to see here folks, just move it along. If you have any concerns you feel you must voice, then you will have to take it down the road behind the FREE SPEECH FENCE.
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I cannot even believe some here in the comments are able to somehow rationalize the difference between HRC's use of an e mail server and these six WH instances! 30,000 e mails? Do you have any idea how quickly a person accumulates those - at my job that can happen in a matter or one week! But for some people, somehow Kushner and Ivanka's e mails were "sporadic"? My god. It just proves that people can rationalize anything to suit their own point of view. Beyond sickening.
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So many of Trump's supporters liked to point fingers at places like Ferguson and Baltimore for rioting when they did not like the outcomes of a court case or investigation. But really they have rioted worse. They hated the outcome of the White Water investigation, the Monica Lewinsky affair, Benghazi, the Clinton email "scandal," etc. So they have taken it out on our country. They didn't raze Baltimore. No, they took down respect for truth, for civility in campaigning, for the news media, for the FBA, the CIA, the EPA, the CBO, the NSA, the joint chiefs of staff, supporters of the Paris Accords (some very successful CEOs!), you name. They took these down and installed a man of Trump's quality, a known cheat and scofflaw, a demagogue. The country has been damaged by this and I just look around and wonder when and how we are going to repair it.
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Masthead -- and extended coverage every day -- let's be fair after all. And while we are at it, add all of the other scandals, ethics and professional violations, sick tweets, and using the president's office for personal enrichment. Come on!
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Trump uses a private communications account every day: Twitter
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The answer is simple: Lock 'Em Up, Crooked Jared and the whole bumbling lot of 'em.
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Just one reminder for the President, his supporters and his "Crooked Six" in their own words: Lock them Up!
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Where is the same outrage as their was against Clinton. I'm not at all surprised that in the age of the Internet this happens. My outrage is how the Trump supporters want to imprison someone that is opposite their political ideology but silent about it when one of "theirs" does the same thing.
HYPOCRITES!
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NYT: While the private email accounts spurred accusations of hypocrisy from Democrats, there are differences.
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What are the differences?
1. Hillary had a private server, Kushner has a private domain on a public server. Use of a private server is actually harder to hack.
2. Hillary used a private server at a time when it was not easy to access secure govenment servers while travelling, and her job involved significant travelling. Current practice allows remote access of secure email with handheld phones.
3. Hillary was not known to criticize her predecessors from other political parties for this practice.
4. Hillary is a Democrat, big difference there.
5. Hillary has a uterus, gasp. That is the real difference.
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Let he who is without sin ...
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We're still waiting for the prosecution and conviction of Hillary Clinton and her gang...meanwhile anonymous sources keep hammering away at nothing in the Trump administration... this is nothing short of a fake media driven coup.
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I think you should probably learn to live with disappointment.
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You will have to keep waiting - HRC was cleared by the justice department. This is - truly - a light story in the midst of all that is happening right now - except for the fact that the current occupant at 1600 made such a big deal of HRC's use of a private server - and then does not have the brains of a monkey to ensure that his team members do not do same. (my apologies to monkeys, everywhere)
The point is - the current group at 1600 truly believe they are better than the rest of us - they are arrogant, smug, and self-important. And no one will be happier than I will be to see them all in orange jumpsuits clearing litter off the highways of America for their many misdeeds - like colluding with Russia to win trump election to an office he is neither temperamentally or intellectually suited for. Although - in the end - we are all going to pay the price for that blunder.
Disappointment doesn't begin to describe this fake media driven circus. It is not going to end well...
Trump now needs to shut it about Hillary's emails and stop his favorite 'lock her up' chants, at rallies - but that will never happen, just as his . supporters will never admit that he's proven to be the criminal, not Hillary.
Hypocrisy thy name is Trump.
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Just like Hillary, these White House Advisors will not be held accountable, will not be fired, will not be put in jail. What a shame that Hillary set the example of what people can get away with!
Is anyone really surprised? Really?
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It’s a question of degree.
The view from the Trump camp is that Hillary Clinton moved thousands of e-mail messages through her private server, some of them marked “confidential”. Those in the Trump cadre, on the other hand, were all political neophytes and the volume of e-mails processed by them was insignificant. Their actions were simply not in the same category as those committed by Mrs. Clinton.
Segue back a few years and the rallying cry against Obamacare was that it was a disaster because President Obama had said that, "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too” – an earnest attempt at minimizing any hardship that may have arisen from the implementation of the ACA.
Contrast this with the current Graham-Cassidy bill, which the CBO predicts will cause “millions of people to lose comprehensive health insurance.” A bill, therefore, with the simple message to a large swath of Americans that if you like your plan - you will lose it. Perfectly acceptable to Trump supporters - i.e. those who were complaining that a few persons had to switch doctors after the ACA became law.
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@ Mike Edwards: And let us not forget Trump's promise to replace the ACA with "a beautiful plan" that would be ever so much better and more affordable!
Where is that "beautiful plan"? Chalk it up to yet another one of Trump's campaign lies.
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The article leaves one with the impression that since this bungling bunch of incompetents only generated a few hundred emails, then it's nothing to worry about as compared to the thousands of Hillary Clinton emails. Unfortunately, this comparison is fallacious. If this story had been brought to the forefront two to three years after Trump took office, then we would be talking about thousands of emails from this bunch as well. Trump has only been in office 8 months, you wouldn't expect thousands of emails to be generated. 3 years from now there will be.
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OK, so what? They are bringing it up now, fully disclosing, and saying that they are properly stored.
I'm glad to see the Trump administration is using the same highly efficient best practices established by the Obama Administration.
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I think both Clintons have shown evidence of not always following the rules. But compared with Trump, they are amateurs at lying, cheating, and conning people. The Trump family, and most of all its rotten fish-head, are a blight upon the country. He has not done a single good thing since being inaugurated, and he has damaged the US by promoting hatred, violence, and division, while shaming himself and the country before the entire world. The only damage he hasn't yet done is to start throwing nuclear missiles around, but of course, he's working on that. Why aren't dangerous incompetence and mental derangement grounds for impeachment?
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I, of course, assume that the same people chanting "Lock her up" will now just expand their chant to include "Lock them up" right? I'm happy knowing these true patriots would understand the crippling hypocrisy if they decided THIS email issue is not worthy of their attention or outrage.
Because anything less would be a staggering public display of politically-motivated manipulation and showcase a dangerously-casual disregard of basic human empathy.
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Hillary's made a career of maliciousness. She is an extreme and life threatening symptom of the wider malaise.
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You must have missed this sentence:
But it is not illegal for White House officials to use private email accounts as long as they forward work-related messages to their work accounts so they can be preserved.
Comey was clear that what HRC did violated the law, but he found for some reason that looks more and more politically motivated, that the level of intent was insufficient to press charges. The article clearly states that this practice is not illegal. It goes on as if it is the same thing, inflaming the readers looking to be offended.
So what? Hiollary was proven to have used a personal server and multiple mailing devices to send confidential and classified government related e-mails, and she was given a pass by the Obama Justice Department and the F.B.I director. So this law no longer seems to apply, right?
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The point, Paul, is that these people shrugged and did whatever they felt like doing as if using private email is just no big deal. But, you see, they made it a giant big deal with Clinton, which proves it was just a lot of hooey witch hunt tactics to discredit her.
If I were working for the US government, after what happened to Clinton, I would be making absolutely certain that I wasn't using private email to conduct business.
As for the "classified" emails, nonsense. Being classified after the fact is meaningless.
What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Investigate all of these emails.
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I suppose if you're going to establish a back channel with the Russians, use of a private email account would be a good start.
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Congressman Trey Gowdy: So when are starting the hearings on this?
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I presume the New York Times will be leading with this story every day for the next twelve months as they did with Hillary's perfectly legal emails?
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It is a big deal because Comey's October surprise letter to Congress about the use of private emails by Clinton and her aides (mainly Huma Abedin) helped defeat Clinton. It didn't matter that Clinton's emails in that instance had already been vetted.
Arrogance and hypocrisy rule the White House.
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I guess nothing burger is back on the menu.
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Dear NY Times Editors,
Republicans have used private e-mails throughout the decade. Colin Powell, Karl Rove. But this newspaper acted as if Hillary Clinton's use of e-mails was corrupt. The NY Times helped the right wing propaganda machine turn Hilary Clinton's e-mails into a scandal.
This newspaper aided and abetted the propaganda effort that led to the public believing Hillary Clinton had committed unspeakable crimes in using a private server. The misleading prominent headlines about "questions raised" by the NY Times helped seal the deal. If a legitimate newspaper hadn't helped, the attacks would have gained no traction.
You are late to the game. You should have been reporting that private e-mails were often used in the Bush campaign instead of helping the smears with your misleading headlines. Your reporting of Clinton's e-mails "scandals" was a case study in terrible journalism that you have never apologized for. Trump is the result of that kind of reporting. This is too little late. And I doubt you will post the nasty headlines that you used to smear Clinton during the campaign.
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Trump probably has done it, too.
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Not to worry-----this is only the most recent exhibit demonstrating the rule of thumb in Trump-land: Do as I say, not as I do.
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Now that this will end immediately we have to realize these emails do not concern clandestine weapons drops in Libya and resulting in the deaths of 4 Americans including 20 others in the secret Benghazi compound,part of the Clinton state dept activities. These don't involve the private sale of US uranium with profits going indirectly to the Clinton foundation.Why even Obama had his own private phone and email used for government business. We havent discovered many devices intentionally destroyed by Clintons team and a near indictment.
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I'll be home, let me know when the Republican outcry begins.
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Use of private email accounts costed HRC the election. Even though that was a dumb mistake for her and no one got harmed.
But now, Republicans and their supporters are taking pride about the organized crime of the Trump family sabotaging country's security willfully for personal gains. Ironic!
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Wrong. Use of a private email SERVER, not available for oversight, and only surrendering documents after her people go through them, is why she lost.
Being in this Whitehouse is akin to being in a "nothing is restricted, illegal,unethical, immoral enough. We couldn't care less what constitution , laws, anyone says. " We will do what we want, when,how and where we want to. This though not illegal, shows just what this Whitehouse thinks of America. Kushner wanted a private line to Kremlin, no surprise here.
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Did they call Hillary for tips on procedures? Did Hillary call these goofs and thank them for covering her faux pas?
The article about Trump people's E mails don't mention if they had any top secret E mail servers hidden in the basement bathrooms of their homes. The article also does not mention if any one of Trump's people sent any top secret E mails to Anthony Weiner's private laptop.
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"Lock her up" begins to sound a little hollow just about now, no? Are Trump supporters appreciating the irony? Maybe not.
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Trump's fans will surely find a good reason to forgive him and his team. Again.
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they can't define irony
Hypocites at this level of irresponsibility cannot be trusted with the security of the nation, not to mention the fundamentals of good governance.
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The bigger concern with this group is if and how often they are using 'our' money for personal business or the amount of overlap between personal and 'official' business. Flights, use of Trump properties for official / personal business requiring government security ... It goes on and on, and as incidents emerge they seem to be sluffed off then new items come up ... Regardless of their political view, these people operate in a bubble far removed from the reality most of us face ... Read about the French revolution; this is reminiscent of 'The Sun King' and his court. Did not end well !
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I hate to point this out but receiving or send messages from a personal email account, however wrong, is not the same as a Secretary of State setting up a private server at her house and using it exclusively for all email correspondence thus making sure there is no official record of one's emails.
This is one reason many people, like me, supported Bernie Sanders.
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I supported Bernie Sanders also, but on issues not on emails. There was no evidence whatsoever that Clinton was hiding anything by using that private server. That's just silliness.
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Careful, reasoned responses are not the strong suit of the commenters here.
If you are involved in government affairs on any level and there is reason for you to discuss anything in regards to the government, you use a government authorized form of communication. There is no way anyone doing anything in regards to the government does not understand the seriousness of any and all communication, and if they don't fully grasp the concept of caution and care when involved in the government then they need to be selling hot dogs on a street corner.
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You're forgetting the most important insecure device used by this imprudent administration—Trump's Twitter phone. How this has been allowed to continue is beyond me.
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Alert the Republicans so concerned with the safety and well-being of the citizenry that they must spend millions of dollars and 14 Congressional hearings, investigating! Oh, wait. So doing would distract from Republican determination to strip health care from 30 million citizens. Move on, then.
Unless this piece of information us covered through right wing channels, too, Trump supporters will remain in the dark. Then what is the point? We have known and have been saying that he and his administration is a fraud; this is no news for people who watch and read other sources than right wing media.
Where is the indignation that the Republican Congressman exhibited during the Congressional hearings a little more than a year ago?
Representative Hurd of Texas was offended that the Benghazi investigation's side track to the Clinton email server when it was called political theater. He insisted that the mission he was on was serious, that hacked emails could cost American lives. Where is his indignation now? Where is the indignation of Representatives Chaffetz and Trey Gowdy displayed in the inquisition like Congressional hearings they chaired? Where is the orchestration of President Trump and Rudy Giuliani over their flock to the chant of "lock them up"?
Why are these great Americans so silent?
Sheer indifference to the law and its consequences is a growing issue across the country. Having it flouted at the highest levels of Government is its worst manifestation.
I see there are a lot of comments here bemoaning the Times covering something they consider trivial or the attention spent on it partisan. I disagree. Resolution of our more serious problems like health care, climate change, and income inequality are consistently stymied by Breitbart, Hannity, Limbaugh, and their Tea Party minions pushing an absurd and hateful ideology. McConnell, Ryan, and their GOP crew, even if they wanted to be rational, are too cowardly to act rationally. Their base is too lazy or drunk with an illogical but constantly hateful fervor, to understand complex issues like health care. But Hillary's emails seemed to be a small shiny object that was personal and unifying for them. I am confident that when Fox News addresses this hypocrisy, it will somehow be portrayed as the fault of George Soros or Nancy Pelosi. Nevertheless, it is just this type of issue that may be key to the Republican - Trump base realizing that they've been conned.
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realization relies on thought - no hope of that
And that's my problem: I keep hoping.
shall we lock them up too? i think not. is this really what our politics has devolved into?
Well, if it wasn't criminal for Clinton, than it's not criminal for Trump's staffers. Personally, I think all of them should be prosecuted, but if one isn't, then none of them can be. We got ourselves into this mess.
It is only criminal if top secret information is posted, Sharon. There is clear evidence that The Con Don's group is giving top secret information to the Russians.
Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton did not bring ANY important top-secret information into her private e-mail - ever - as the stupid "special special Trey Gowdy prosecution that cost WE THE PEOPLE hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funds and supposed "elected officials" time.
But you go ahead and hold that hate and hold onto those fox so-called news lies if it makes you feel better. The rest of us are moving on to put women like the Courageous Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton in power.
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Yep, especially since the RNC got away with eradicating 22 million emails from a private server while under subpoena!
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Sharon What happens is there is an investigation. As is proper. The practice is corrected and determined if there was any information leaked that could cause harm.
To use this type of mistake for political gain and to chant "Lock Her UP" is more harmful and polarizing than the original act. Finding an excuse this time is Hypocritical.
using personal email accounts clearly should be avoided at all costs and anyone caught doing so should be reprimanded and warned.
Having said that, the hypocrisy speaks volumes about this Administration and the vicious attacks on Hilary Clinton's practice of using her personal email accounts. The difference in volume is not a question here. It is the use of personal emails, particularly immediately after the 2016 election. If this doesn't demonstrate the entitlement this cabal believes it should have, then I don't know what does.
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I though the FBI already set the legal precedent with the HRC investigation. It's ok to lie, send and store classified on a personal server (even though the law clearly states that it is illegal), print out classified documents and cut off the classification headers, and to solely use a private email address for official government business. So what's the big deal if (non-cabinet) members use a personal address occasionally? Is there real news out there to report other that this? No wonder nothing is getting done in Congress.
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It is only illegal if you are a democrat. Doubly so if you are a female democrat.
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It's illegal no matter who you are. But according to the FBI it is not prosecutable (or not worth prosecuting) which essentially says it's ok to do it. At least it was not prosecutable for HRC. Lesser people, and dare I say males, have been prosecuted for similar but lesser infractions of laws related to the protection of classified materials. Now it's up to you if you think that the FBI is apolitical or gender neutral.
Sporadic use can be worse than regular use; the latter is due to a lack of knowledge of the rule or just sloppiness, but the former has a smell of some intention and/or cheating.
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This is not a topic for nuanced analysis. After Trump's hysterical demagoguery against Clinton and his rabble-rousing cries to unconstitutionally "Lock her up", the current White House staff has absolutely no excuse for breaking the rules.The remedy is not legal investigation but rather a political uprising against these Republicans. They endanger democracy with their campaign slogans. Their contempt for common sense and disregard of norms that have been accepted by all Presidents (including Nixon in many cases) disqualifies them for rule and certainly for re-election.
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Okay, what is the main point here? It seems to be lost with a discussion about Hillary being pilloried vs Trump's people getting a pass. Come on people. We would be better served by a discussion of the security of these communications using standard transmission, servers, etc versus the security of government operated and screened systems.
Why would anyone be so careless as to use private addresses? Well, as others have pointed out, maybe no one is being careless. Maybe purposeful is the better adjective. Who knows the full range of the private addresses? Who knows what has been said? And who knows who is on the 'readers list' of foreign intercepts at the hands of the Chinese and Russians for starters...
My guess? No one knows.
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My guess. they know and are now trying to cover it up with lies and excuses.
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The American people know that donald did and would not use a private email server.
He's restricted to 140 characters, he gets confused after that.
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I'm not an expert on email protocols, but isn't there a vast difference between setting up a private email server (and maintaining physical and electronic control and security of it yourself), and using commercial email accounts?
Google can scan everything that goes through gmail; that's actually the business model. Renting a domain through GoDaddy or another web host ipso facto gives someone else control over and access to your content. The idea that either would be appropriate for official government business is ludicrous.
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There is a huge difference between using a private email account and using your own SERVER.
No one in the Trump administration is being accused of using their own server which is what Hillary had in her bathroom.
private email is less secure than the server. In a way, it is worse. Especially if the conversations are spread across multiple email accounts.
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There's also a difference between using a private email account (say, Yahoo Mail or GMail) and commissioning a commercial provider to host an email server with a domain name you've registered. Jared Kushner did the latter, and for security he relied on GoDaddy.
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Where is the zeal to lock themselves up?
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha . . . can't stop laughing at the irony of it all. There was a time when we had to look overseas for such entertaining political families. President-For-Life Trump has been true to his word - he has repatriated this offshore industry. We now manufacture ironically moronic political progeny and in-laws locally!
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It doesn't count, because they are NOT Hilary Clinton. Just saying.
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Could Trump be more hypocritical, still hammering Hillary in his rallies and enjoying the crowd chanting "Lock Her UP" - over he private email account - when his Daughter, Son-in-Law and several advisers used their private email accounts to conduct government business after Trump was elected!
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Rules are for peasants, not Trumps.
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I wonder if Trump's supporters will ever rid themselves of the hypocritical notion that if it's Trump's team doing it then it is fine whatever it is. Trump does everything they claim to have despised in Hillary Clinton and other politicians yet that's cool with them. In fact, it is somehow miraculously making American "great" again.
I wonder what would happen if Trump was caught running a real pedophile ring out of a pizzeria or his D.C. hotel. Would these Trump fans care? Or would that be fine by them too?
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They wouldn't. They could see the video proof and they'd say "fake news" . It's sad, I know a few Republicans who I used to have some respect for and even with the obvious hypocrisy of these email revelations they still want to talk about NFL players taking a knee. I've tried to tell them that Marshawn Lynch isn't the President.
Throw the bums out. All of them.
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Clinton never once used an @state.gov email address.
Different than Mr. Trump's associates and family, Clinton used personal email exclusively, rendering her activities and thoughts unavailable when needed for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries.
What is so hard to understand about that?!
Wel, Francis, I have to admit that I'm a mite confused that some folks find it hard to understand why you shouldn't be doing the things you scream at other people for doing.
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Wow , good thing James Comey didn't know about these emails, or did he?
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Which of the following does one use to spell "hypocrisy"?
1. Kushner
2. Trump (both or either of Ivanka and her daddy)
3. Bannon
4. Priebus
5. Cohn
6. Miller
Lock 'em all up!
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Amy Chozick needs to get right on this. There must be "troves" of emails to scrutinize.
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"It is not clear why even sporadic use continued after a campaign in which email habits became a source of controversy."
It is not surprising at all for those who closely followed both news coverage of the controversy and legislators framing of it. Both framed the story solely in presidential terms and strenuously rebuffed any proposals to turn the controversy into a general debate about government official email policy. Even this article frames it that way while asking sotto voce (see the quote above) why the Trump administration did as well. The answer to the question above is that such email use is pervasive at all levels of government from the local and state level up to the national level. Until the reporters who write these stories publicly acknowledge that fact, they are as hypocritical as the Trump administration when they frame questions such as the one above.
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May one ask prcisely which brave news org you turned to to glean your inside dope about such use being "pervasive?"
In my experience as a government employee in two different states, officials often use alternative emails because they believe, incorrectly, that using a personal email account shields them from open records laws. The law in most states is clear that it is the subject of the email that makes them government records subject to disclosure. It makes it harder to monitor compliance, however, if people use personal accounts.
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Seriously, is anyone surprised? None of these people are grounded in ethics or humility. They have shown much more dangerous and damaging behaviors than this, both during the campaign and since Trump took office. There simply cannot be any more shock left in rational people. Trump and his family should surprise no one, even when they are indicted, or Trump himself throws us into a major war. The days of 'shock and awe' should be over.
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This needs to be fully investigated so we can reach the truth. Did they use personal email accounts to transfer classified material or to conduct US government business? If they did, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Since the Clinton email fiasco, there's no excuse for anyone in government to say they didn't understand the rules.
It would also be helpful to understand the whole story on their email use. Taking a look through stories on the internet, it's not clear that these folks are government employees. Some stories say they are "unpaid government employees", other say they are "not technically government employees". Are they contractors? What exactly is their role?
Why is this important? As a government contractor, I use my corporate email to discuss many things with the government offices for which I work. I have a government email account and use it for government business but some of my business with the government is business development or other activities on behalf of my company. For that I use my corporate email. Is it "government business"? Well, I'm trying to sell them our services so it's certainly business with the government.
Understanding the context of their "official" emails is important to understanding the context of this news.
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The point of all this is that when our politics devolves into a system of unrelenting harassment, investigation, and mean-spirited revenge of one side toward the other, that's exactly what you're going to get in reverse when the other guys get the chance. Democrats are never going to forget how Hillary was hounded, so here we are. Of course, Trump's White House is giving us almost too much material to work with.
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When will the House and Senate start committee hearings to investigate this outrageous breach of security? What's that, violations by Republicans aren't subject to congressional oversight?
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I assume that the current group in the White House discovered how obsolete the government computer systems are and decided to have easier communication- just like Hillary Clinton. People don't always make decisions based on nefarious behavior. It would have been nice to treat Mrs. Clinton in a more dignified manner rather than "lock her up".
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Who else harped on Clinton's emails? The name's right on the tip of my tongue, I've seen it recently somewhere...
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Call Rudy, maybe he wants to "Lock them up" as well?
Actually I agree with Ann from Dallas, 'it's silly'. However the question is, if the Trump people felt it was such a crime when Hillary did it. Why were they so stupid as to do it themselves?
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Trump people assume they are above the law.
OK, but Hillary usage for all those years with state secrets, we didn't mind? Podesta? For the sake of intellectual honesty, can we now at least moderately condemn Hillary for putting our country at risk?
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Intellectual honesty? Trump and his supporters wanted her in jail over this. Thus, it is intellectual honesty to ask why that doesn't apply here.
Why "now"? Does the Trump team's misbehavior and hypocrisy change the verdict on Hillary (which, by the way, was that there was no crime and no need to file any charges)?
Well,well. Another example of this administration being complete hypocrites. With "team Trump", whatever they accuse somebody of, it's actually what they are doing themselves. After all, those pesky laws and procedures are just for the "little people", not for their royal family and court.
This is what the Founding Fathers were trying to get away from when we had the Revolution. They foresaw that we could gravitate back to the same type of leaders so they put the checks and balances in place. Only trouble is, now these types have taken over all of our government and are in the process of dismantling our democracy.
When the Mueller investigation kicks in and all the charges are brought out, our nation will be shocked at the greed and corruption of this bunch. Only thing is, will we be able to follow through and remove this corrupt bunch from governing. The Trump Crime Family will not go easily(is the tax audit over yet?). Get ready for some things happening that you never thought you'd see in this country. It'll make Nixon's group look like a Sunday school picnic. Will the Times and other publications continue to go along with the GOP and continue to enable these crooks? Time will tell.
By the way, the dossier is all true and there's so much more. Bring on the Truth.
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A colleague of mine was on the attack this morning, stating that Hillary Clinton's email situation was far worse than the current White House Advisers' private email scenari0 because she was then the Secretary of State and her emails totaled in the 30,000+ range. I looked at him square in the eye and said "malarkey"! Either all of the rules are followed all of the time, or none of the rules are followed none of the time - but picking and choosing who to vilify, attack, investigate and condemn MUST be equal. Anything less is not only hypocritical and a double standard, but flatly wrong on ALL levels.
I honestly don't understand why people who serve at these high and visible levels continue to use private email. That's just careless and irresponsible, similar to the president tweeting messages all the time.
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My understanding has been that the government servers and system is unduly complex and time consuming---why am I not surprised?
Marge, I agree with your views on the double standard.
Why does this carelessness happen? Human nature. Sometimes people are careless. Heck the President has tweeted on an unsecure cell phone at times. Maybe that's been fixed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.
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LOL, Mularkey? Really and you actually believe that it's the same thing what Hillary Clinton did and what Jared Kushner did?
Explain to us alone for the information was passed along by Jared Kushner or any other of Trump's advisors when they use their private email? We know Hillary did this and then she lied about it no one denied in the Trump White House using their private emails and in fact the times story states that it's perfectly okay as long as the emails are forwarded to the government for archiving. Show me in the store on says these emails were not forwarded? And you can bet if they thought they weren't forwarded it would be part of the story.
This is just more fake news.
If these private communications by Jared et al were to the Russians, then it's almost game over for the Trump Administration. Mueller indictments would be days away.
Of course, Trump supporters are unlikely to end their blind allegiance, but they'll have to admit this. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... then it's a Donald.
Is this more Trump "winning"? Are these the tremendous people Trump promised?
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In a busy life choices are commonly made for convenience purposes. That is, until it's learned the choice is inappropriate and change is made. Thus this Kushner et al discovery about personal email use would also (as with Hillary) fundamentally be "much ado about nothing." That is, had "lock her up" not become a rallying cry and sick refrain prominent in this president's campaign. So, bottom line, it's clear that in the world of Trump (filled with transparent hypocrisy) what's okay for the gander isn't okay for the goose.
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So, republicans in Congress are going to demand hearings on this, starting immediately, right?
Right?
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hahahaha! That's rich. Don't hold your breath!
Jared certainly struggles with transparency, whether it is filling out forms, remembering attendance at meetings, disclosing assets, and now, sending and receiving emails from a private account.
Oh that's right, to paraphrase Leona Helmsley, rules are for little people. The Trump clan just pretends to champion little people, but they are certainly not little people themselves. Rules are probably just for losers. Well, Jared, look where Leona ended up --think you are following in your father's footsteps.
And what to make of Trey Gowdy seeking these records? He was apoplectic over Hillary's emails. Is it possible that he recognized that doing otherwise would be stunningly hypocritical? I wonder about his motivation--political ambition for himself or currying favor with Donald when he exonerates Jared et al? We'll see.
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I certainly expect some legal effort will very soon
be made to make public these emails. Perhaps it
might even be possible for the group Judicial Watch, which spent so
much effort trying to make public all those Clinton
emails, to join in. Aren't they as curious as everyone
else what Bannon might have been writing/receiving??
I guess it doesn't really matter after all.
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Given the naivete and inexperience of Jared Kushner, it is clear that he cannot be trusted with a security clearance and should resign. Moreover, with Papa-in-law Trump constantly bleating and tweeting to reopen the investigation of Hillary Clinton, ostensibly (but falsely) firing the FBI Director for it, still calling her "Crooked Hillary," and the chants at his continuing rallies of "Lock her up!" it seems as if it's time for Mr. Trump to look in the mirror and realize that others may be equally "crooked" and worthy of the cry to "Lock them up!"
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Hillary Clinton's "misuse" of private emails and the supposed risk to national security was one of the cornerstones of Donald Trump's campaign. Now that Donald is in office that concern can be ignored and everyone is free to use private email. Amazing. This man who refuses to release his tax returns, when all previous candidates have done so, who is violating the emoluments clause on a daily basis, continues to exist by a separate set of rules. His hypocrisy knows no limits. Most astonishing is that he continues to get away with it all. If challenged all he'll do is smile with a smirk, declare "Fake news", and turn his back.
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We're still waiting for the cries of "Lock! Them! Up! Lock! Them! UP!!!" from the baseball cap-wearing brigade who so, so enthusiastically brayed at The Donald's behest last year. And waiting. And waiting...
As pretty horrible and rotten a candidate as Mrs Clinton was, it's striking to note the utter hypocrisy of Trump's deplorables - his hired hands and paid goons, that is - in blithely ignoring the faults on their side.
Guess it looks like this won't be the mythical A Single Week Where Donald Trump And Associates Didn't Get Into Any Trouble, either...
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Perhaps Mr. Steinmetz needed bail or Vlad's back channel was down.
Who knows, give the boy a break--BUT NOT CLEARANCE!
"Lock them up. Lock them up."
Nah, that's apparently un-American when directed towards members of Trump's family, not a single one of whom before January ever served in the public sector or worked for the public good. This whole thing, everything propagated by this 3rd world regime is a sham, and it's already done irreparable harm to our nation and what we've stood for for over 240 years, but that was before January. I continue to cry for what's been lost, and for those who are truly and directly suffering at the hands of this self-agrandizing buffoon.
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Hypocrisy, people! This story is about hypocrisy, which is rife in this administration!
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Say it aint so...
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And, under Republican dogma, any Democrat who uses a private e-mail server should be crucified or the like. What shameless hypocrites!
Besides, they are happily collaborating with Trump Crime Family treason.
Rest assured that Putin's minions are listening to these White House advisors far better than Trump does!
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The NY Times has some soul-searching to do here:
1. Why should anyone trust what Kushner, the White House or any of the aides says about their use of private emails? They, especially Kushner, have had to amend original disclosures. They are known fact wasters. In short, Not trustworthy.
2. The NYTimes overstates the classified information on the Clinton private server.
3. Trump campaigned on the fact that even one official email using a personal account was a felony deserving of jail.
4. Clinton was Secretary of State for 4 years. These people have been in office for a few months. Obviously they wouldn't have had time to store as many emails.
The news here is not that Trump officials didn't followed w the law on emails. Because at the end of the day, neither their misuse or the Clinton's exposed this country to harm.
The news here It is that they have been exposed as rank hypocrites on the issue. And the NYTimes needs to stop defending its part in the hyping of the Clinton email story and ignoring the shady dealings of Trump.
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I agree. The NYT buried this story on A-18, but had Hillary's use of her private server on the front page several times. They are part of the reason Donnie is occupying the Oval Office right now. They didn't vet him enough during the campaign, and now they criticize him, but they don't harp on one thing day after day after day as they did Hillary.
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Since this was the "sin" they pulverized Hillary the most for, the fact that they went ahead and did the same thing shows that they really think they are untouchable.
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I expect to see the Times cover this email story with the same rigor and attention that the Clinton email "scandal" received.
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The next thing you know, we'll find out that Trump was actually born in Kenya.
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Thanks for that comment, Chuck! Made me laugh out loud...
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Did anyone count the silverware before letting him into the WH?
Depending on polls, he'll be mortgaging the place against the Westboro Baptist Church.
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The press holds a huge share of the responsibility for magnifying Hillary's email activities beyond reason (see the Harvard report on how much of the Clinton coverage was "scandal" while pretending that Trump was focused on issues). Our country may never recover from this presidency.
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Well here we go again. Except this time, it is not "evil Hillary" (or whatever Trump name calls her) but the Republicans who have snafus with their email accounts; also, from the White House, no less.
I am sure you won't hear a peep from any Republicans about this issue, whereas if it was a democrat, they would be piling on in their usual "kick 'em while they're down" mandate.
I am aware what Mrs. Clinton did was of more importance,; however, she apologized, and in the big picture it was no big deal; especially when you compare it to an absolute barrage of daily outbursts from Trump, and doing it on the world stage, no less.
The really bad thing now is he is in a tweet war of name calling with a truly dangerous person: Kim Jong-un. Right now, several former military leaders in the US have spoken out how bad this is. One went so far as to say that as of this very moment (I believe it was a former Chief of Staff), he believes the chance of some military action between North Korea and the USA is 50/50. In other words a coin flip. I agree; a 50% chance that either someone gets too close and fires a missile at one of each others potential targets.
I believe the chance of this in itself has increased even more, for the simple fact that both countries have stepped up plane flights, ship maneuvers, missile launches, etc. All of these things are occurring in very close proximity to one another. This highly increases the chance of an accident.
After that, all bets are off.
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Actually, it's nice refreshing to see that Trey Gowdy, a Republican "who most vociferously criticized Mrs. Clinton’s email use", also sent a letters questioning the Trump administration's use of private email servers. We're so used to abject Republican hypocrisy that the slightest move in the opposite direction, no matter how small or dim, seems a beacon of hope or at least normal normalcy.
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Don't believe the hype! Gowdy is only there to run interference. He cannot be trusted.
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The Trump family had private email accounts. That's not the same as having a private server located in a bathroom in her house. The devil is in the detail.
This is an example of how news and events get changed to mean something else.
Wow--look how low we have set that bar, Breathtaking.
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Why isn't Donald calling for them to be locked up. Why does Kushner still have a security clearance. Donald believes rules and laws are for others, not for him or his administration.
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It is perfectly simple when you factor in entitlement. No laws or rules apply to Trump or Clan Trump due to their own insane, surreal sense of entitlement. Part of their self-induced euphoria comes from billions of dollars acting as fluffy cushions whenever a Trump falls out of their alternative reality, where there are no truths except Trump truths, and lands in the real world.
A world where they refuse to believe they are subject to the law of the land or even the natural laws of the planet. Trump world is wonderful only if you are named Trump, for the rest of us it is Dystopia.
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Where's Wikileaks or the Russians when you need them? Right?
Donald Trump on several occasions opined how he loved Wikileaks.
We can only hope the Russians are still doing their jobs stealing private emails and handing them off to Wikileaks so there can be a constant drip, drip, drip of a new email revealed each day so the press and the world at large can focus on every new revelation.
Keeping it front page new for months. Or at least until 2018 to help the voters decide who to vote for.
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The only "skills" felonious Donald Trump possesses are lying, offending, dividing, deflecting, denying and distracting. These skills have not been lost on his family members who have brought their own self centered demands for privilege and entitlement into the White House. That Trump has populated his administration with individuals possessing sketchy ethics and a shared disrespect for the Constitution and the propriety of the most prestigious office in the land should surprise no one. For Trump and his rabid and reckless base, the optics of his behavior and those loyalists doing his bidding are what he says they are, not how they factually present.
As one of Trump's white male supporters stated on a recent segment of "60 Minutes" hosted by Oprah Winfrey, "I love him (Trump) more each day." The outrageous saga of dastardly "Double Standard" Donald continues to unfold like a fantastical dystopian novel that would never happen in real life, only in fake life. Right?
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I think that we all recognize the hypocrisy in what has happened with the use of private email by the administration. And dont forget that Pence used an AOL account when he was governor. The Republican party should be screaming "lock them up", but it wont. Frankly, if the Republicans are willing to turn a blind eye towards Donald's statements and actions in regard to white supremacists and women, private email use wont even phase them.
Hypocrisy is the new norm. Lies are the new norm. Let the decay of the office of the presidency continue. And before anyone realizes, it will be 1984. We the people need to push back not because this is an anti-trump thing. It is a truth thing and we cant let this decay continue.
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The people who drowned out any discussion of Hillary Clinton's tremdous capabilites, outstanding qualifications and thoughtful policy proposals with "the EMAILS!! lock her UP!!!" are now going to become nuanced detailers of the technical distinctions between her email circumstances and those of Trump & Co. We're going to experience this in private conversations and while watching talking heads on TV.
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"It is not clear why even sporadic use continued after a campaign in which email habits became a source of controversy." Because they're hypocrites who never really cared about the "principles" that they were bludgeoning Hillary Clinton with, perhaps?
Oh and here we have Trey Gowdy sending a letter. Is that supposed to demonstrate how consistently devoted to principle HE must be?
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This was a common occurrence among high officials in the Obama administration. Of course, there was Hillary with her own private email system...yet there were many others, including Susan Rice, using AOL or Gmail for official communications. This was exposed in the DCLeaks hack, which means it is possible the Russians had compromised members of the Obama NSC.
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Let's not worry about the 2.2 million emails people in the Bush administration sent on their accounts. Supposedly now found but still sealed from view.
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And here it is. Only 2 comments down from Jonathan's prediction about how Trump apologists will become experts in the details about the difference between Hillary and Ivanka's use of private emails.
What a bunch of hypocrites!
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I just went to the Fox News web site to see what their coverage is about these latest revelations. Only one email-related story is posted. And it is yet another attack on Clinton's improper use of email. Well, such hypocrisy pretty much sums it right up.
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In this day and age, you pull all your email account together, as in iPhone & mac. Occasionally, you find yourself accidentally writing a work email with personal email in phone, next thing you know, an avalanche of emails associated with that thread.
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That's why some of us have separate devices with totally different accounts for work and personal use.
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So if some of the emails contain classified information, under your scenario it will be ok to have used a private email account because it was just carelessness instead of disregard for the rules? Likewise, it was Weiner just being careless that led to photos being sent to a 15 year old instead of him being responsible for the messages?
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Should come as no surprise. The guys and gals consider themselves to be royalty. Never thought I would see the USA brought so low. Everyday brings several trips to the gutter, millions of us being forced to endure their bottomless corruption and endless lies. They've nothing of value to offer this country. When will enough be enough? Our president delights in destroying all we hold dear.
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Robert Mueller, let's speed it up now.
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Trump himself doesn't use the official POTUS Twitter account. Monkeys see, monkeys do.
How easy it would be for these 'private' email accounts to be used for covert communications with say, Russians? Or data manipulating corporations like, say, Cambridge Analytics? Or maybe arranging donations of other people's money to let Trump say he is using his own money to campaign? Or, let's see, sending alt-right organizations marching orders from Trump on next steps to a government take-over?
I see many reasons why all these officials would be using an unofficial email account to communicate with outside influences that the White House would not want to preserve a record of. All of them nefarious. LOCK 'EM ALL UP!
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I don't understand. Trump and many of his team plus supporters were adamant that Hillary be locked up for using private email serve. She admitted the mistake but they continued and continued (even to this day). Perhaps they really didn't care? Perhaps that was their excuse to say "Crooked Hillary?" Meanwhile Trump and family appear to be genuinely crooked (obstruction, money laundering, collusion with foreign power). Let's see who is in jail in 6 months to a year. It will not be Hillary but will likely be multiple members of the Trump crew. That will be our proof of who was really crooked.
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"“I am dealing with honorable professionals and getting what I need,” said Ty Cobb,..." What level of professional performance would it take to avoid what happened so recently to Hillary Clinton? Are these honorable people in a coma? Any descendants of first cousins working in this splendid, well-oiled organization? When Trump says he wants to have a crack team do they have to take him so literally?
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If this is not an example of karma, I am not sure what is?
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They used their own phones! They used their own emails! The horror, the horror.
I thought this was silly when they went after Hillary and I think it is silly now.
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It's not silly that this issue helped put someone deeply unfit for office into office.
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So rules don't matter? Funny how the left disagrees about so many other rules Trump disregards.
Picking and choosing which rules matter so you can excuse HRC for, let's say, fraud in cattle futures trading isn't exactly credible.
Is it "silly" that Trump doesn't have his finances in a truly blind trust, for example? I would say no.
I'm a moderate who thinks that rules and laws do matter, and picking and choosing exceptions is the pathway to fraud and corruption in government.
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Of course it's silly. This isn't about emails or phones, it's about hypocrisy -- and laziness. You don't make an accusation of an opponent's carelessness or criminality a major issue in your campaign and then not take care to eliminate even the slightest whiff of following the same course. It's insulting of and even contemptuous of the people who voted for Trump that they couldn't even be bothered to make a show of propriety.
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"Do as I say, not as I do".... and "The rules don't apply to me; get over it".
Really??
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It's OK if Republicans do it.
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>>Long before Mrs. Clinton’s emails were a campaign issue, Democrats criticized members of the George W. Bush administration for the practice.<<
How asinine!
Why is this so hard?
You do things the right way, and there is no reason for suspicious. You violate rules "sporadicly" or "very rarely" its the same story as violations for 40K emails. For maybe "very rarely" means just those emails they thought better to keep from the public eye.
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So will Jason Chaffetz return to hold hearings?
Trey Gowdy where is your indignation? Trump, where is the screaming about this? Throw in making Tom Price pay taxpayers back for use of government jets to the tune of 25K per hour. Talk about Rot.
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The hypocrisy of the Trump Administration and Republicans regarding government employees using personal email is obvious. Before Hillary Clinton, Condoleezza Rice's aides and Colin Powell himself used private email to conduct government business.
Maybe Democrats need to pointedly accuse Kusher et al using that silly Trump rally chant "LOCK THEM UP!"
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When you point a finger there are always 3 fingers on your hand pointing back at you.
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Amazing...
You expend at least half the verbiage in this front-page above-the-fold story, explaining why it has no business being a front-page above-the-fold story...
And then you tell us that someone - like Facebook - is going to monitor for fake news???
Why don't you send Jared a note - to his private email - asking him what he thinks about the story...And then do a hit piece, based on his replying - or not...
If he doesn't reply - tell us that he's stonewalling...
I hope this is simply a corrupt capitalistic play to garner more subscriptions and eyeballs...
And not something more sinister...
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What in the world are you going on about?
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We're all afriad of nuclear war now partly because of the stink you guys raised over HRC's private emails. And now you're trying to wiggle out of it by citing capitalism and implying some shadowy conspiracy theory.
We can always depend on conservatives for their clear, accountability-based moral leadership. Hahahahahaha
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Aaah, non-sequitur - masquerading as Socratic dialogue...
With a modicum of echo-chamber-echoing...
How about this???
"...A former administration official noted, though, that in many cases, people received emails to their personal accounts. In some instances, officials used their private accounts to talk with reporters...
Government email reserved for White House chit-chat. For all Kremlin related matters, please use my private email.
--Jared
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I'm a liberal but I've been reading across the spectrum for a while via Real Clear Politics, the Times left-to-right recommendations and others.
It's made me more aware of partisan writing. This is a good example, in comparing people who might have sent a few emails on a private email account with conducting all Cabinet-level correspondence off a private server.
And the reason is simple. Many Times readers are Clinton fanatics; they are calling for people to be put in jail right now.
The Times notes that such emails are not "necessarily illegal" as if they are in charge of pressing charges.
This is a small story being blow up big because it is guaranteed to gin up Times readers.
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If we want quick and easy access to the e-mails sent over private servers in the Trump White House, why not just ask the Russians to supply it? Also, nothing was mentioned in this article about possible classified information in these e-mails. But I'm sure that Robert S. Mueller III will check that out in his typically thorough fashion.
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One of the traits the Trump family and some politicians share, is the belief that rules and laws don’t apply to them, but only to others who do not have positional authority. There is this sense of entitlement and indignation even when they knowingly break laws and are confronted with that fact.
Mr. Kushner will probably claim he suffers from affluenza. The remainder will probably claim that don’t recall using personal email or that they are confused by technology.
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Laws don't apply to reps and they don't go to jail. Tom Delay anyone?
Will dem's do anything? no, not this millennia
What about the unsecured cell phone Trump brought with him to the White House, which he uses at 4:00 am for his entertaining tweets? I read previously that that phone was at high risk of being hacked, such as people being able to hear his conversations. Is he still using that phone? Doesn't that compromise national security?
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And remember that he was showing government documents on his cell phone while dining at Mar-A-Lago. Donald does whatever he feels like, whenever he wants. Rules are for the little people.
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I hope the Dems take this news, however accurate or not, and pin this to Kushner and Trump w/ the kind of un-relenting ferocity that Trump did in the 2016 election. Trump was able to brand an immensely talented, qualified, and intelligent candidate into seeming like a criminal to the point where HIllary Clinton's name--after a life dedicated to public service and the greater good--is now almost entirely associated w/ negativity when she was innocent in the first place.
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Well, they didn't press charges. I wouldn't say she was completely innocent. She conducted all of her business on a private server. She handed over the content of half of the e-mails only when pressed to do so. That's pretty shady. That's years worth of government business that the public would not have had access to had she not been caught.
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I would love to see Stephen Miller at a press briefing trying to explain this double standard of behavior and ethical practices to the public.
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The obvious issue that now needs to be investigated is whether any of them committed a crime(s) by transmitting confidential/secret information over these private email accounts.
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Actually, it would be nice when any of these problems is found to actually FIX IT. Our government repeatedly jumps up and down and promises to fix things, waits for the public to go back to sleep, and then does nothing.
From decades long corruption infestations like the VA to big one time events like massive power failures across the east, this happens again and again.
This is one reason I disagree with the liberal meme that more government is necessarily better. We pay so much for so little effectiveness. To magnify that is sheer madness. First, let's try effectively spending the $trillions government absorbs every year.
you mean, like Hillary did?
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In the era of Trump, it appears laws are only for Democratic leaders. Trump's administration is above the law due to the fact that they have transformed the office of the President to Dictator. Next we can expect that elections for the President will be cancelled.
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I'll admit to some downright glee when I saw this headline, until I read this:
While the private email accounts spurred accusations of hypocrisy from Democrats, there are differences. Mrs. Clinton stored classified information on a private server...
I thought I followed this issue fairly well, so pardon if I'm not citing fact, but by "classified information," does the Times mean the 3 emails marked improperly, with a small "c" somewhere in the body of the email, or the emails marked classified retroactively?
Then there is this:
...she exclusively used a private account for her government work, sending or receiving tens of thousands of emails. The content and frequency of the Trump advisers’ emails remain unknown, but Trump administration officials described the use of personal accounts as sporadic.
I understand that we don't know the extent of the use of private email by Trump administration officials, but can't we just say that rather than making this kind of sensationalistic comparison? And, I'm sorry, but history will characterize this administration in many ways, however being able to take them at their word will not be one of them.
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Already the apologists say that other wrong transpired. Of course that is a leap of faith from the crowd that has lied about every contact with the Russians so far. Were they trying to keep incriminating conversations off the record? Robert Muller should be asking for every email that was ever sent on a private server by members of Trump's administration - just as was done for Hillary. Then we can determine if there was any malfeasance!
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This is more troublesome to me because Hillary used one email address, so when they went to look for emails, they had the address. Kushner and Co. used various emails, some addresses may never be discovered. How do we trust them to tell us anything truthful?
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Are you kidding me? We can't!
"Truthful" and "Kushner" cannot be in the same sentence.
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Of course we do not trust them. Kushner for example has already "forgotten" Russia meetings/contacts. No trust or truth here.
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Let's not forget that virtually ALL the media daily and relentlessly enabled the ridiculous assaults on Hillary's emails, constantly "ballancing" accounts of Trump's outlandish and offensive conduct with a stream of suggestions that what she did amounted to some sort of crime of the century.
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Representative Cummings has asked that all private emails be preserved. Let's hope that his wishes are enforced this time. The last time a congressional subcommittee expressed a desire to inspect a government official's private emails, she (Hillary) deleted them.
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Does Kushner really still have security clearance?
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Dear grant in Denver,
Thank you! I have been asking this ever since it became public that he lied under oath to the FBI on his clearance forms by omitting his many foreign contacts. His lawyer said the paper work was sent "prematurely." Seriously? Some rogue assistant broke into his computer or office in the dead of night to send this in without his knowledge of consent?
How does he have a security clearance? Why isn't the fact of his continued security clearance a major scandal?
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Simple answer - our federal government appears to be totally out of control. Sad !
Unfortunately, there are just too many scandals to track. That seems to be a strategy. Resist.
I look forward to the coming years and years of useless hearings and accusations. Ha! It is good to be a wealthy member of the Trump crime family. The rules simply do not apply.
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You seriously think that Darryl Issa, Republican of California, is going to investigate a Republican?
No, I do not think for one moment that they will.
Did you really think that Trump and team nepotism cared about their "base?"
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Hmmm.... Would be interesting to know if the NSA was aware of this. Given the level of NSA data mining on email in this country, I'd be surprised if they didn't know.
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This is really just silly when put in the context of things Trump lied, and continues to lie, about. Everyone with a three digit IQ knew that the 'lock her up' chant was absurd and calibrated to a sufficient level of outrage to distract people from serious questions about Trump's veracity, competence, and temperament. Hypocrisy in campaigning is trivial compared to real issues like obstruction of justice, nuclear war, racism/antisemitism - need I go on?
We need our news organizations to keep a laser-like focus on the things that Trump is doing that risk the destruction of our country. Lying on the campaign trail is not one of them.
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Conflicts of interest, everybody always forgets conflicts of interest.
In the interest of evenhandedness, let's stipulate that:
1) If they used private email accounts to send emails related to government business, then Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon should never be Secretary of State;
2) If they set up private servers, used them for government business and wiped them clean, they should never be President; and
3) If they transmitted classified info over private servers and lied about it, then they should be prosecuted.
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if they sent Unclassified emails to staffers at their state dept email addresses, or received endless chain mail emails about lunch dates, etc that were all Logged and Curated on the State Dept system (as HRC did), if they extracted a private commercial nuclear materials facility from Iran using a Swiss banking 'event', if they travelled to every State Dept out-post and were as smart as HRC.....diligent, hard-working, not needing One Hundred Million in Laundered Rubles to get out of Debt - Guess that disqualifies all the Trumps . In addition to their email problems Trumps/Kushners are reportedly chasing oligarch and foreign syndicate funds to prop up their various floundering ventures, shilling from some hotel in Azerbaizian....Handing out gov't secrets to Russian guys in the oval office ala Donald
Amazingly laws in 2008 are different than the laws in 2017. Would you make the same statements for Colin Powell or Rice?
And, none of them should ever be advisers to the president of the united states.
“I think Kushner was sloppy to do this,” he said. “I think Hillary was sloppy. I don’t think any of it was criminal.”
Maybe not, but didn't Kushner learn from the mistakes and controversy that surrounded the Secretary's private email accounts? What about Kushner's attempt to establish a secret communications channel with Russia and his part in the president's Middle East envoy to discuss peace talks? Wouldn't his use of a private email account be as serious as was Hillary Clinton's transgressions as SOS? If so, the president should lock up his own son-in-law.
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If Jared or the other 5 Trump Administration advisors reached out to the Russians with these private emails, then more Mueller indictments are soon to come.
While Trump supporters will not back down, they must soon agree that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a Donald.
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If President Trump uses anything other than Twitter, he may have a private email account...
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Wondering if Trey Gowdy (R) SC will squander US taxpayer funds again investigating these emails? Nah, don't think so. It is the breathtaking hypocrisy around this administration's actions and the startling lack of accountability by Republicans that is infuriating. - Annie
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If you read the headline "At Least 6 White House Advisers Used Private Email Accounts" while squinting your eyes, you cannot tell if you're reading the New York Times website or The Onion's.
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So when will we hear Potus & his supporters chant and screamt: lock Jared up, lock Ivanka up, lock Steve up, lock that Priebus up - etc.etc.
And while we're at it: when will this Potus finally be removed from office?
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The blatant hypocrisy of this is mind boggling.
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Well at least it is only some of the time and not exclusive use of private email. Also none of these have a private email server of their own.
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Oh come on!
Even the NYT article states "...there are differences. Mrs. Clinton stored classified information on a private server, and she exclusively used a private account for her government work, sending or receiving tens of thousands of emails."
This blind hatred of all things Trump is rediculous!
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It is not disrespect to steadily out Trump as he attempts to dismantle what has made this nation great in order to substitute his own doctrinaire definition of 'greatness.' It is patriotism in its fullest form.
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your blind patronage of the Trump hypocrisy is astoundingly ignorant. Trump won the election pushing these false allegations against Hillary, but it is OK for the Trump mobsters to do the same? Hypocrite!
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@JRW
Uh...that would be 'ridiculous'.
Just saying...
NOT my president
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This is almost as humorous as Mrs Trump's anti-bullying speeches.
I guess the motto is "When you lie, lie boldly!"
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"At Least 6 White House Advisers Used Private Email Accounts"
Six, plus son-in-law, used private email in the White House to conduct Official Business, after Trump yammered, raged, made wild accusations about Hillary Clinton and said she should be in jail. After Trump called Clinton "Crooked Hillary" and called on Putin and the Russians to hack into her email.
I don't know if this is pathetic stupidity or rank arrogance, or both. It seems that Trump plus, at least these seven, have expanded the D.C. swamp Trump promised to clean. I wonder how many more are yet to be found?
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Non of the six plus one used private exclusively a Hillary did and none of them have classified information in the emails. Now that Hillary has proved that it could be done what is the problem with it now?
Trump did not ask Russia to hack Hillary's email but since Hillary had already accused of Russia of hacking her emails if they had then they would have the emails and they might just share them with us. It would have been nice if they had shared with us if they had had them.
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Hillary did not use her private email exclusively.
The issue of whether anything on her private email was classified has never been fully resolved to my knowledge. Each Federal Agency makes it's own rules on that. What the FBI said was a classified document often was not, at the time of it's writing. There was never any indication that anything was TOP SECRET.
The best the then FBI director could come up with as a statement about those emails was that they were "sloppy."
Is anyone surprised?
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The issue is not how many e mails on PRIVATE services, but the trump republican WH did the same as HC and now trump supporters are saying "so what".
Why is anger, hate, racism, lying and fake news OK with trump & his supporters but honest actions due to social injustice are declared a disrespectful act?
Oh i know - because the majority of the honest actions were done by Black Men and white men can't deal with the truth.
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If I told you they were not the same, would you assume I support Trump?
Would you even care if they were not the same?
That's what's wrong with politics today, among many other things.
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Emperor and his courtesans have no clothes! Eh!
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Lock them up! Oh wait, these are Republicans. Never mind.
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Had they lock up H C then they should lock up these people also but since there was no crime to prosecute Hillary on and these people has done much less than Hillary there can not be any lockup now.
What many off us find frustrating is that these people play as if rules do not apply to them. And they often get away with it. This email kerfuffle is just one of many such examples.
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So far they ALWAYS get away with it.
the rules don't apply to reps - did you see any of the many child milesters in their ranks do any time? of course not
Ah, this takes me back. Back to a time when a politician's use of email seemed like the most important fixture on the political landscape. We've been through so much since then, haven't we? Russia; the immigration ban; the US's withdrawal from the Paris Accord; Charlottesville; the complete inability of the governing majority to...well, govern; stupid presidential tweets. And then there's pesky North Korea with its nukes. I'm sure I've left a few things out.
Oh for the days when emails were all that seemed to really matter.
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Let us be fair. I was a huge critic of Clinton's email server and this has some things in common and some things that are critically different. Some points:
1) There is nothing wrong with setting up and using personal email accounts. In fact, political figures should have personal email accounts for personal use. They should not be used for government use and, while it seems that some government business made it's way into these personal accounts, Clinton used the personal server/account for all government business.
2) It is impossible to believe that Kushner et al did not delete any emails from these accounts. I don't believe we saw all of Clinton's emails and I don't believe we'll see all of Kushner's either. This is precisely one of the problems.
3) As far as I can tell, these advisors used personal accounts housed on servers maintained by a third party (e.g., Godaddy). Clinton's account was on a private server maintained by her. In Clinton's case, the server was less secure and allowed her (or her staff) to delete messages with no trace or recourse. Emails hosted by a third party cannot be monitored by the government in real time but they could be made available with appropriate warrants.
4) The timing and optics of what these advisors did are both awful and raise my eyebrows as to why they did it. I believe the Clinton wanted to maintain secrecy and control. Given the way these advisors set up their accounts and used them, it's harder to know.
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What makes you think Clinton's email server was less secure than GoDaddy? There are lots of hacks these days, which only shows that even big companies can get hacked.
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Remember, Kushner was the one who wanted to set up a secret back channel to communicate with the Russians. I wouldn't trust any explanation given by any member of the Trump family nor any of the sewer rats Trump has installed in the White House and his Cabinet.
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You are absolutely right that GoDaddy (and other providers) may be hacked. This happens. Hacks of government and private company servers are not uncommon. However, as a general rule these organizations are more secure. They are likely to have security teams on staff monitoring systems and keeping them up to date. Clintons' server was maintained by a small IT firm and updates/patches were likely to be applied less frequently leaving the server more vulnerable. Your point is a good one. Nobody is completely safe. That doesn't mean that some behaviors are more reckless than others.
With all fairness to the Trump family, how can you expect them to know which is government related and which is their own private business? Since they make no distinction it would be impossible for any of them to know which email account to use.
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"The White House lawyer, Ty Cobb, leading the response to the investigation says 'I am dealing with honorable professionals and getting what I need',?" then remarks he's "doing all he can" to make sure it all gets to special counsel. Hubris? Even White House lawyers better be clear who will get thrown to the wolves when collapse is imminent. When someone says "Trust me, I always pay my bills" you know they will default. When anyone says "I will do what needs to be done" what's being done isn't going to benefit truth. Follow the trail of crumbs or better yet Money.
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I know the progressive media and commentariat have trouble making distinctions large or small, but there is a difference between using a private e-mail occasionally for government business versus using your own e-mail server for all the business you conduct for the government and not turning those e-mails over to be archived. Then lying about it. Then destroying e-mails you deem personal when they are under subpoena by congress. Then lying about why you used your own private e-mail server.
Moreover, using your own e-mail system is different from using an aol or g-mail or other publicly available e-mail systems. All of these have security against hacking whereas setting up your own e-mail system is in all likelihood less secure -- unless you are assuming that somehow you can somehow provide better security than a company in the e-mail business.
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Secure like Equifax? Target? What other big companies with dedicated IT staff are secure?
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Eric -- excellent point -- that's why we should be spending our time and $$$ on cyber security rather than investigating non-existent collusion with possible Russian hackers who might have gotten their directions from the Kremlin.
But other things being equal -- e-mail from e-mail providers is likely more secure than one can have on a private server. Also, the e-mails are preserved, not bleach bitted away.
If the present advisors are putting classified information on private email servers then they could be considered Honorary Democrats and thus immune from prosecution.
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World Wide Web . . . interesting it's all based on a spiderweb the way it seems to trap whatever falls into it. It couldn't have happened to nicer creatures.
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Using the excuse that they only did it sporadically, while Hillary did it all the time, is like saying someone is only a little bit pregnant! If you're going to make a major campaign issue of Hillary's use of private email, then shame on you for doing it at all!
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"At Least 6 White House Advisers Used Private Email Accounts"....while flying in Private Jets?!
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Will the NYTimes tirelessly follow this store as non-development after non-development proceeds? Taking front page space away from other matters, such as the administration declaring war on north korea, or iran, or puerto rico, or countless other american groups under siege by this administration.
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yes they should, just like they did Hillary, which I'm assuming you were fine with.
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you mean like you followed the phony Hillary email story ND PUSHED FOR HER PROSECUTION?
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"It is impossible for the FBI not to recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton. What she did was wrong!"
- Donald J. Trump, 7/2/2016
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So the logical conclusion - though too high-brow for the dead squirrel: FBI should start criminal investigations into & charge Jared, Ivanka, Rein, Steve and the rest.
After all: it's on record that this potus knows all these folks 'Did what's wrong".
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"Lock them up"! With apologies the Pres. Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/22/a-brief-histor...
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Admittedly Clinton used a private system for all her communications. Which have been read, over and over.
So, will these Trump advisers at least be asked to forward ALL these "100 or less" private system emails for the FBI to review?
Equal treatment for equal "crimes" but with this crowd, I'm not holding my breath.
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I thought there was nothing wrong with HRC's email policy? So why submit anything to FBI?
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C,
They will probably do it voluntarily and without erasing them! They also don't seem to be running their own servers or lying about the whole thing!
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Hillary not only used a private email account for all official business, she set up her own server in order to keep all her official communications from the public domain.
Setting up your own server is very different from having a private email account. No one in the Trump administration is being accused of setting up their own server.
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"At least six of President Trump’s closest advisers occasionally used private email addresses to discuss White House matters . . . But it is not illegal for White House officials to use private email accounts as long as they forward work-related messages to their work accounts so they can be preserved."
There's protocol, there's that "gray area" and then there is the legality of this issue. Frankly, as long as the Republicans involved are treated the exact same way Hillary Clinton was treated, then at least the playing field is fair. Everyone I know realizes that once something is written and sent in an email, that information will NEVER go away. The fact that people who work at the White House are obviously unmoved or unaware of that fact and assume the White House Counsel will protect them is beyond me. Calling Jared Kushner and Hillary Clinton "sloppy" is being overly kind in this matter. The term "arrogant" comes to mind.
In the meantime, the lying continues . . . "Trump administration officials had previously said that senior White House officials did not use multiple email accounts."
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I just had a Republican friend sputter a month ago, "But her emails."
Hey Republicans in Congress, the private emails used by Trumpists are another thing you can now investigate, including the following:
Russian hacking
Russian ads on Facebook
Russian use of Twitter
Trump enriching himself with his office
Trump's use of his office for campaign rallies in Phoenix, Alabama, etc.
Price's use of private jets
Mnuchin's use of government jets
Trump selling his Florida property to a Russian for almost $100 million
Trump's firing of Comey
Trump's hiring of Manafort
You want to do your jobs, right? You would have investigated Hillary Clinton had she become president, right?
Do your jobs.
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now that's funny
1. witch hunt
2. nothing burger
3. beating a dead horse
4. sour grapes
Oh, so now it's okay?
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Not only is it OK, but recent experience with the past government has shown that you can get immunity from prosecution for related crimes.
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So Hillary was accused of hiding her actions because she used a secure server for all of her work emails. Now we learn that six Trump aids use personal email sporadically for work purposes, with no explanation of when or why they use personal communications. Seems to me there is a fair inference that they use personal email for matters they don't want the "deep state" to know about. Or perhaps to communicate with the Russians. All their personal email should be closely reviewed. As to "full cooperation" promised by Cobb, promises of this administration are empty. Only a full download of all of their computers will suffice, and I wouldn't trust them to do it, only the Mueller team.
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" .....secure server for all of her work emails..."
Still laughing.
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before Trump made a center piece of his campaign that HRC used personal email to conduct governmental businesses as many previous State Secretary had done before, we could say they didn't know better. now after constant chants at his rallies to "Lock her up" for using private emails ( and continues to do so), WH advisors and aides continued to use same method to conduct public business. if it was not to avoid public detection, what was the reason ? can it be more hypocritical ?!
But we've learned that HRC's server was NOT secure
All those people who so earnestly said to me a few months ago that HRC "should be in jail" for her having a private email account while Secretary of State are now going to be earnestly thinking up reasons why these cases are different. They're not. Email management is a pain in the neck for many professionals. and it's easy to make mistakes in this environment. One would think, though, that having led chants of "lock her up" at rallies over the non-crime of email sloppiness, these folks would have been a little more aware of the optics of engaging in the very same sloppiness.
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With Republicans in control of Congress and no legal repercussions for Hillary as a result of both denying sending classified email and deleting thousands of messages, it will likely be a fruitless exercise.
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When will Trump call on the FBI to investigate his aides'/families' use of private emails for government business? Will he fire them like he called on NFL owners to do when players don't stand for the national anthem? Will his crowds yell "lock them up"? Will any leading Republican call for their ouster?
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The use of a private email server was never a big deal. I'd be inclined to say it wasn't a big deal that Kushner did it for his family, either, but for the fact that they made such a big deal out of it and so with 100% certainty knew they were being hypocritical in the extreme. It just shows, with shocking clarity, how much they exaggerated and exploited Hillary's emails to fire people up into hating her, and supporting them. To all the people chanting "Lock her up," this proves they played you. Big time. Somehow, you still don't care.
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Where did you read that "Kushner did it for his family"? Read the article - especially part about "Mr. Kushner created a domain...to host his family's personal email. That domain was hosted by GoDaddy on a server in Arizona, records show." So much for your shocking clarity and hypocritical in the extreme.
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Oddly the Republican Congress ignored, and failed to investigate, Condoleezza Rice's aides and Colin Powell using private email accounts.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
GLC, since when was it the fact that it was a private server and not a publicly hosted server that caused the uproar? Either way, it ain't a government server.
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Oh...but that's different. Our emails weren't *really* government business.
Will we hear "Lock Them Up" at Trump's next rally?
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None of that is important, not the crisis in Puerto Rico, not North Korea, Russia meddling, or anything else I think is not important. Now, what's really important is this thing about kneeling in professional sports. This is what is important to the American people, not good health care, not food on the table, not a roof over their heads, or uniting the country. Now, I'm going to lavish praise on these good old boys in Nascar who are really good people. Those other black, brown Asian, Latino, and non whites don't count. Only my kind of people count...white folks who praise me and love me from dawn to dusk. Kim Jung Un, Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, I've got them all beat with my many good people behind me.
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Get the FBI to investigate and determine if any classified information was transmitted over those six email accounts. If no classified information was transmitted or received then it's NOT the same as Hillery's.
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The FBI is not enough. I need 6 or 7 congressional investigative committees headed by Democrats.
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Steve,
What you need is to win some elections! Then you get to head committies!
Also, allow the FBI to thoroughly conduct a review of the e-mails a few months later and determine if anything needs to be retroactively labeled as classified, and if so, then it will be exactly the same as Hillary.
But then again, Trump has already verbally leaked classified information directly to the Russians, and TWEETED classified information to the public... so he's a hypocrite regardless of this e-mail issue.
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It is my understanding that Hillary Clinton's private server which she used for official email correspondence along with her personal correspondence had never been hacked. But, during the same period many U.S. government email servers were hacked by agents working for foreign governments. If that is not true I need correcting.
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Good point. Trump's people don't need to worry about their emails being hacked, since they are already sharing everything with the russians. So, no problem with private emails. Treason is an issue though.
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You have the small part of the story
What really matters and is of most importance - Will they lie about it!
Ultimately this is what matters.
Many White House staff members have used private email accounts since the advent of email. However, 'under oath' I'm not sure anyone has lied and fabricated stories about it.
Sorry, except one person
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Do the Republicans now say, "Lock them up"?
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I hope they fear it. And I dearly hope Mueller and has team get each and every one of these liars.
Well, of course they did! Is anyone surprised by this morally bankrupt White House? Private email...who cares? Conflicts of interest...says who? Russian collusion...really? That's all just fake news, right?
Welcome to the American nightmare.
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It seems this administration looks for the hypocrisy in anything & then acts accordingly. Its like they think hypocrisy is a good thing.
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This administration CONTINUES to show its stupidity.
It's baffling.
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Stupitity is just a small part of the equation. You’ve left off arrogance, hubris, prejudice, small-mindedness, greed, collusion, etc. etc.
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Not if you see Trump as a devolved example of Jackie Gleason's Charlie Bratton. Except not funny.
It's baffling, shocking - and entertaining.
Ah, the results of talk, careless and un-thought-out, and provocative talk. Ah when the shoe is on the other foot, and then the foot is in the mouth. Ah, the pain of shooting your mouth off for show, and then not being able to take it back. I learned this in grade school, as a "big talker" who was constantly punished for such offenses. Apparently no. 45 never was forced to learn such lessons, sadly in that military school where he was sent to straighten out. I guess that never happened. I'm so sorry he might have to learn some lessons finally, when he's old, the hard way, and we will all suffer as he does so. Yes, hypocrisy. I don't think no. 45 is having a real good time in this job, too many new bits of action and decisions and consequences that fly at him daily.
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Like when it turned out that several of the inner circle were registered to vote in more than one place - supposedly evidence of major fraud, according to their rhetoric, but actually just normal casual behavior, when they do it just like everybody else.
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Occasionally mixing up email accounts is understandable, although an important issue for classified material. But even more serious than the email issue is the response from the Trump base to this revelation. They will surely not treat Trump's team the same way that they treated Hillary Clinton, but they will not even admit that they are being hypocrites. Our biggest challenge, should we avoid nuclear war, is not Donald Trump's foolishness, but that some of our citizens cannot recognize when they are being scammed by his populist driveling.
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They are just following Hillary's lead. After all, she used her personal email for thousands of emails containing highly classified information and nothing happened to her so apparently, no one really cares.
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"Nothing happened to her" - except losing an election she received the most votes for by having tens of millions of people whipped into a fury over the accusations.
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Here's what I've learned from this incident:
1) The rules don't apply if your last name is Trump/Kushner.
2) They'll say and do anything to get and stay elected.
3) Trump's people act like the privileged, spoiled brats they are.
4) The rules don't apply to them.
Had enough? I have.
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This adds up to a rotten image. The Trump crew have lied about their contacts with Russia during the campaign. They also called world leaders from Trump Tower and without State Department guidance. Now, we learn that they used private email for official business.
Something smells foul here. Rather swampy.
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Team Trump has lowered the bar again. They embody hypocrisy and have all the integrity of warm jello.
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and because dems refuse to fight he will get a second term
Trump supporters be like "La, la, la, la, la (hands over ears)...I'm not listening!"
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There's no scandal here. None at all. I know this because that's what NYT and ALL the other mainstream 'news' outlets have said forever about Hillary's illegal server.
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Uh, Henry, I don't know how to tell you this but the problem is the double standard. If you stand with a pack of dopes yelling Lock Her Up you now have to yell Lock Him Up. One standard for all people.
Trump cannot make a big deal about Clinton's use of a private server and then use private servers in his administration.
I realize this is hard but we all have to grow up sometime.
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Hey, that's fine. Except that you're not calling out the hypocrisy and irony of the Trump administration. Don't you find it even a teensy bit inconsistent and weird that this president wanted Clinton locked up for what he called major transgressions (well, not in those words- he needs the easy ones) and yet when he and his people do the same things, it's no big deal? Which is it?
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I really truly wish the Trump supporters could get past the campaign and election, but here we go again (here's to hoping you'll pay better attention this time) ...
1) It wasn't illegal. (it is NOW, but it wasn't at the time)
2) The NYT isn't claiming the Trump's use of private email is illegal. It's claiming that Trump's use of private email is hypocritical, given his campaign's focus on Mrs. Clinton.
Please try to pay attention.
Dictionaries should use this as a classical example of the word hypocrisy.
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Pleaseeeeee.
Hillary set up a secret server to hide all her correspondence from prying eyes, coincidentally she opened herself up beyond belief with this move, she then deleted and then bleached her operating system. She destroyed her Blackberry's and to this day has not supplied the hard drives or memory chips.
So, Hey, what da ya think ?
Does anyone relly see a correlation/parallel here ?
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Did you get this upset about Mitt Romney destroying the computers from his time as governor?
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What a surprise. Bigly.
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Say What ? : "At Least 6 Trump Aides Used Private Email Accounts"
So What?
It doesn't matter, even if there was classified material contained therein. Hasn't the DOJ/FBI already shown us that?
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Hypocrisy at it's finest, ladies and gentlemen.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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As long as this country is run by Republicans, it literally doesn't matter what the Trump kleptocracy does. They'll get away with anything and everything. And don't waste your breath talking to someone who STILL supports this overgrown infant. You'll have a more productive discussion with your cat, or a rock.
What this country needs is a true and real anti-corporate capitalist, anti-perpetual war, pro-science progressive political force; one that takes control of both houses and the White House. If this happens, maybe we can begin the awful unwinding of all the damage that's been done by Trump and the neo-liberals before him.
Short of that, I don't see how this country survives as a true democracy.
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red owl,
absolutely spot on!
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red owl: Your description of "what this country needs" sounds an awful lot like Bernie Sanders! I'm not suggesting he should run for President again - maybe a bit too old? - but the DNC better sit up and listen to Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and other Progressives whose ideas are gaining a lot of traction with voters.
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and the dems will fail to show in mid terms again
Cue the "Democrats are such hypocrites. It was OK for Hillary to keep a private server but Democrats are upset about private email addresses? Let's focus on the 30K emails Hillary hid from the American People. Who knows what was in those? This is just another example of it being OK for one group and not for us poor victimized targets of Democrat anger at losing the election bigly " - defense in 3..2..1.
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You've got it backwards. This is news because Trump and co. were the first to point fingers. With him, it's always "do as I say, not as I do."
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The point is not that Democrats were upset about Clinton's private server, it is that many Republicans we're, and to the point of hysteria. Now, not so much. Which is more of the same - conservatives do not have a coherent policy, unless it is to be against Democrats in general. Obstructionism 101.
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dems won't fight- why should reps be held to their own standards if dems wont hold them to acct
When will they be going to jail???? Oh, they are GOP. Never mind.
Hypocrisy, MUCH?????
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Am also wondering if they'll now claim lots of documents got lost - docs Mueller & his team are after.
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Oh, the irony!
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HRCs use was systemic and voluminous - more than 30,000 emails. the trump cadre seems to have been sporadic and their roles in his unorthodox cadre were unclear. it is obviously worth noting that some were "received" and not sent. but the focus on all of this will become trite and superficial if all it amounts to is "see they did it too." spare us!
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So you think iIt isn't that they did the same thing, it is the volume. HRC was Secretary of State for 4 years. Bannon and Jared and Cohn and Miller and Priebus and Ivanka haven't even been doing whatever they are doing for a full year. They didn't have TIME to amass emails. Regardless, we would need a chart to explain the difference between total number of emails, and emails deleted -- so we could compare. I don't believe we know how many emails this group generated. Nice try at diversion though. Big question -- do you think they'll change what they are doing? I bet not.
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Read the last paragraph.
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Aubrey, et. al., is there nothing this guy Trump, his family , or his base does that is above your reproach?
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The hypocrisy never ends. Just add another one to the pile.
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I wish I could shove this into the face of all the people spouting lock her up. But it wouldn't do any good. They are not smart enough to see the correlation, vent if it is blatantly obvious
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Trump has to fire them doesn't he?
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Use of private e-mails for government business in the Trump administration. I am shocked! Shocked! First get Comey to investigate and then shout "LOCK THEM UP".
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A rule should be enacted for government officials that prohibits sending out work related email from a non work email account. This would mean that even if a work related email is received on a private account, the reply can only be sent from a government account. Forwarding a conversation chain after the fact is not sufficient.
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This is entirely consistent with Republican hubris across the board. Their actions communicate the belief that the rules they so strenuously apply to others don't apply to themselves. And that, better than anything, is a working definition of elitism. They simply consider themselves above the rules that govern everyone else.
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In the wake of all of this, it would appear that regardless of how innocent and unclassified these emails may have been, the point is, in the public's eye, this may seem criminal. And although what Hillary Clinton did was far worse, as far as the general pubic is concerned, especially the Democrats, many may see this as a breach of security too. In short, it may be time to let this issue go since the damage has already been done and all the explanations in the world won't sway public opinion.
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The moral yardstick only applies to this group when pointed elsewhere. I find it hard to believe any credence is given to anything said by the White House anymore. Sad state of affairs to see a proud office brought so low.
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One can have great respect for The Office of the President even if one has no respect for the incumbent.
NOT MY PRESIDENT.
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Good point. Trump is useless and no one listens to him, not even the NFL. This too shall pass.
UcP - Yes, "proud office." Nixon on his tapes, Reagan sitting in dementia, Clinton and the girl in the Oval Office, Bush looking for OBL under the chairs. It's interesting how people pick & choose details that make their narrative real for themselves.
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Actually, private emails can be also available to the public, just ask the NSA.
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Are these six accounts being used for Top Secret Govt Business?
The issue w/Hillary is her installation of a private server while she was secretary of defense. She bypassed the govt servers.
Stop mixing apples with oranges.
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You mean Secretary of State and she was not using that e-mail for classified communications apparently.
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Yes, these six accounts are being used for top-secret government business, as well as co-ordinating with Russian Intelligence.
They are not being used to find out what's for dinner.
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I guess we can now name trump "king of the swamp". long live the king - and lock him up.
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looks like they should all resign immediately - if not sooner.
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'While it's not necessarily illegal . . .'
It is if you're a Democrat, it's not if you're a Republican. So look at the bright side. At least now we know the rules.
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Good news for American lock manufacturers.
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What about the texts?
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That this administration could be embarrassed by anything seems highly unlikely. Don't you understand their reasoning? "Crooked Hillary" should be pilloried for her private server because she's "crooked" and Hillary. Trump's men are above any rules or laws, including the Constitution.
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The Trump administration cannot be embarrassed because it is an embarrassment in and of itself.
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This from the same Trump team that claimed Hillary Clinton's private email server was grounds to "lock her up."
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"Representative Elijah E. Cummings, the senior Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, asked the White House to make sure that none of Mr. Kushner’s emails are deleted."
I'm afraid even a court order does not cause Jared to follow the law. Special Prosecutor, please have a forensics expert check for deleted emails.
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Do we all chant in unison "Lock them up"?
Where is are the Republicans on this? What no investigations of the six "criminal". Shouldn't we lock them up? No seriously?
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Can we please, please, please stop being surprised by things like this? Shame clearly does not alter this White House's behavior (in the direction it should). Why waste another cycle of news rage on a topic that was clearly just a tool for this administration to foist itself into position?
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The hypocrisy and cynicism of this administration knows no bounds. Do we now have Ivankagate?
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LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! in the wise words of the Repubs themselves...
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Looking forward to 600 days of front page news on this issue.
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Tell me something new besides, lie, deceits, cheating, racism, dividing, unAmerican, hypocrites, slavery from all these GOP & Team DJT.
My only unexplained questions is: When would the GOP base learn that these guys are coning them and the American and then planet Earth.
How do we solve it?
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Lock them UP. Lock up every White House Advisor that is using personal email.
LOCK THEM UP NOW!
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Yes, they were all likely just sloppy...it happens. However, the hypocrisy that it demonstrates is unmistakable.
Big Daddy Trump whips up his base (an apt word) with “lock her up” while his family commits the very same mistake. How about “lock them up” , Donald?
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Lock them up! Lock them up!
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Please let me know when Congress will open investigations on all of these folks and may they dig into this as vigorously as they did Hillary Clinton. And as vigorously as Trump went after Hillary during the election for these offenses. Anything less, will be a clear sign to the American people that our political leaders are completely corrupt.
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Remember Lord Acton, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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Does that include Chuck and Nancy? Or don't you consider them leaders?
I expect zero interest in this from Trey Gowdy- in fact I expect him to protect Trump to the max. Also, Jason Chaffetz was smart...exiting at a good time. Wonder what he knows.
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Lock them up! Lock them up!
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Congressional hearings, subpoenaing of these "private e-mails" and then dismassal. First, removal of their security clearance. Immediately.
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and how about confiscating their computers, as they did with Wiener? (I'm not saying the latter didn't get what was coming to him, but did his wife, or Hillary, or the rest of the country?)
Lock them up. Lock them up
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Lock. Them. Up!
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This is just the latest example of Republicans in power behaving with impunity. Trump violates the emoluments clause of the Constitution, with no enforcement from Congress, and cabinet members fly around in expensive jets paid for by taxpayers. Trump signals that he will counter any prosecutions with his pardon powers. This is what a banana republic looks like.
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People get the government they deserve and the trend right now is banana republic.
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without even the bananas
Given the NY Times relentless coverage of Hillary Clinton's email during the 2016 campaign, I sincerely hope your coverage of the Trump family's personal email issue now gets similar front page coverage.
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There's quite a bit of difference between this and Hillary sending classified emails on her private email. One is potentially illegal; the other merely sloppy.
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This is so rich. You can't make this stuff up. And Jared Kushner creeps me out, when I see a photograph of him.
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Is it the empty suit look that gets to you?
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slum lord. Based on stories of properties he & his family own, most of what they have is tied up in govt subsidized housing...same way Fred Trump made his fortune & ripping off the govt to the extent he had to explain himself at a Congressional hearing.
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The walking dead with hair polish.
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Lock them up!
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O what a tangled web we weave, when at first we practice to deceive.
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I'm just going to sit here and wait for all the Trump supporters who lost their minds over Hillary's emails to be outraged over these people using their private email. Yep, I'm sitting here...sitting...sitting...sitting...any moment now we'll hear their outrage...any moment...Oh boy. I'm going to be sitting here for a while.
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Hank,
Are they running their own "secure server" out of a bathroom? Do they have classified information on their "bathroom server"? Did they lie about all of the above? HRC did nothing wrong so exactly what are these people doing wrong?
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Just so long as you're not holding your breath too.
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In case you missed it, Richard, it's the HYPOCRISY!!
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The purpose of the article is what, exactly? It states it is not illegal, just so these are forwarded to White House accounts. SHARING classified info is completely different. Therein lies the issue. Dredging up old crap is not news.
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Please tell Trump.
"The F.B.I. closed its investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s handling of classified information and recommended no charges. But even after becoming president, Mr. Trump has prodded the Justice Department to reinvestigate."
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What Hillary did was also not illegal. Clumsy, but not illegal. Secretary of State Rice and Powell both used private email servers, too. It's the hypocrisy that is the "so what."
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I haven't seen the front page of the print edition, but after all the ink the NYT spilled on Hilary Clinton's emails, this news had better be front page with a screaming headline.
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Except this administration has done so many more toxic things, it's hard to weigh private email server usage against them.
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The living embodiment of hippocracy.
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I believe you mean hypocrisy. A hippocracy is a federation of large animals, run by a huge, ugly, aggressive beast, nothing like what we have.
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Rule by hippos?
We would probably be better off.
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LOCK 'EM UP! LOCK 'EM UP!!
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This will be a non-issue for Trump supporters. They haven't cared that Donald needed $100 million in laundered money from a pal of Putin to get out of some debt, haven't cared that he grabs women, muses about his daughters' breasts, defrauded Trump U clients, didn't pay contractors, used a Billion in $ lost by other investors to avoid an equal amount of tax liability. They Don't Care.
He's White. He's Racist. He's their homey. Bringing back coal jobs! Free Health Care! Out with Muslims! Up With Evangelicals!
We'd wish a Pox on their houses, but Bannon proves they don't mind a bit of Pox.
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So well stated....
It is hard to share the world let alone you sharing a country with such seriously morally bankrupt bunch as his supporters.
Yes, just like Hillary supporters overlook her giant flaws, i.e., support for racist policies (welfare reform), job-killing legislation (NAFTA), murdering foreign heads of state and dismembering those states based on transparent propaganda (Libya, Syria), promoting heedless aggression against nuclear states (Russia), support murderous neoliberal coups (Honduras), and blaming everyone conceivable for losing to DT after running one of the most negative campaigns in history. But #StillWithHer