When I listen to AG Jeff Sessions announce the President's decision on DACA, I wasn't surprised by the string of lies he told,, about DACA recipients taking jobs away from American citizens, insinuating that they were criminals, i.e. it was the racist rhetoric I've come to expect from this man and the administration he was representing Tuesday. Do I dare hope that Congress can overcome its own racist sensibilities and stop demonizing these young people like so many ill-informed people who form the President's fan base do? I feel like I live in an America of shifting realities, or maybe shifting fantasies. But one thing I do know, is that the meaning of common decency is still intact, and many American people are waking up to it.
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Back in 2014 the DAPA for parents was overturned by a Federal Appeals court and upheld by the Supreme Court. Ten states filed a lawsuit back then that precipitated that action. These same ten states were prepared to file the same lawsuit against the EO for DACA and in all probability DACA would have met the same fate. Trump's rescinding DACA with a six month delay and handing it off to Congress to do it the right thing as the constitution requires and passing a law making it legal for dreamers to remain in our country with a path towards citizenship causing such a furor. It appears to me the left is trying to gain political capital out of this when in fact they know what would have happened if Trump let the EO remain intact the Supreme court would have overturned it 5 to 4 and then what would have happened. Rather than kick the can down the road Trump made Congress face the problem sooner rather than later and as I see it that's a good thing.
This program was justified by claiming prosecution discretion. The program is undone in the same way. These people are the victims of uncontrolled immigration policy.
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I am astonished at the simplistic coverage and commentary about the Trump decision. DACA will not end. The genesis of DACA and DAPA are constitutionally questionable. DAPA was put on hold by a prior law suit. The Paxton suit could get DACA declared unconstitutional due to Obama’s executive overreach.
Presidents test the limits of their power as a matter of course. This is evident in the constant and increasing use of signing statements with each new member of the executive office. When they do, it may lead to criticism or litigation. Obama acted because Congress would not. Now, Trump has forced Congress either to act or be the bad guy that did not save DACA.
In fact, this is a brilliant strategy. If Congress rewrites DACA, the children get to stay and Trump takes credit for 1) getting Congress to act and 2) repair DACA. Trump wins.
If Congress fails to act, Trump can simply extend the deadline and pound on Congress for failing to do its job. The kids get to stay, Trump criticizes Congress for its dysfunction, and he gets to be the hero who keeps the DACA kids in the country despite Congressional inaction. Trump wins again.
And, the six month deadline conveniently brings the country to the beginning of the primary season for the 2018 Congressional elections. No one in Congress wants to be part of the institution that failed to do its job and failed to keep DACA in place.
Presidents test the limits of their power as a matter of course. This is evident in the constant and increasing use of signing statements with each new member of the executive office. When they do, it may lead to criticism or litigation. Obama acted because Congress would not. Now, Trump has forced Congress either to act or be the bad guy that did not save DACA.
In fact, this is a brilliant strategy. If Congress rewrites DACA, the children get to stay and Trump takes credit for 1) getting Congress to act and 2) repair DACA. Trump wins.
If Congress fails to act, Trump can simply extend the deadline and pound on Congress for failing to do its job. The kids get to stay, Trump criticizes Congress for its dysfunction, and he gets to be the hero who keeps the DACA kids in the country despite Congressional inaction. Trump wins again.
And, the six month deadline conveniently brings the country to the beginning of the primary season for the 2018 Congressional elections. No one in Congress wants to be part of the institution that failed to do its job and failed to keep DACA in place.
Not being articulate in the law Trump may never have heard of 'prosecutorial discretion' which lies at the heart of DACA. Obama ordered his Attorney General to exercise it and not bring charges against the 800,000 children of illegal immigrants. Trump could have done the same but owes so much political allegiance to Sessions and his fellow travelers that he feared the right-wing backlash. Now he's washed his hands of the matter by kicking it to Congress-so much for Presidential leadership.
Our loss may be Canada's gain if congress does not enact a means for these individuals to become permanent legal citizens. Many are well educated and bilingual, and it would not be difficult for them to integrate into Canadian society.
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“This is a sad day for our country,” Mark Zuckerberg, the Facebook founder, wrote on his personal page. “It is particularly cruel to offer young people the American dream, encourage them to come out of the shadows and trust our government, and then punish them for it.”
I agree with Mr. Zuckerberg; it's cruel, and now Congress needs to act. Congress needs to create a specific bill to make a path to citizenship for these blameless young people. Let them finish their educations up to Bachelor's level, but at least high school. Let them stay if they have a job or are expected to be employed. Exclude those with felony convictions. Set an ending date, if they want; for example, all children born after a certain year, one that will encompass nearly all of the dreamers. If they meet the requirements, give them a green card and plug them into the regular citizenship system at that point. THAT would at least be reasonably fair.
The dreamers deserve a chance.
I agree with Mr. Zuckerberg; it's cruel, and now Congress needs to act. Congress needs to create a specific bill to make a path to citizenship for these blameless young people. Let them finish their educations up to Bachelor's level, but at least high school. Let them stay if they have a job or are expected to be employed. Exclude those with felony convictions. Set an ending date, if they want; for example, all children born after a certain year, one that will encompass nearly all of the dreamers. If they meet the requirements, give them a green card and plug them into the regular citizenship system at that point. THAT would at least be reasonably fair.
The dreamers deserve a chance.
Trump is a bully. All his actions are actions of a bully: he picks on people weaker than he is: immigrants, children, the gay community, transgender people. He threatens other bullies. He is insecure and threatened by anyone with power, and so courts them (Putin).
But what's important to remember is that all these diversionary techniques are try-outs. These are try-outs for the rule of tyranny. How far can they go? Those people talking about the rule of law and endorsing this are endorsing harsh and inhumane treatment to a category of powerless persons. From there, we go to deporting anyone who Trump and his henchmen want to deport.
But what's important to remember is that all these diversionary techniques are try-outs. These are try-outs for the rule of tyranny. How far can they go? Those people talking about the rule of law and endorsing this are endorsing harsh and inhumane treatment to a category of powerless persons. From there, we go to deporting anyone who Trump and his henchmen want to deport.
Aside from being heartless, Trump's action will disrupt not only the lives of 800,000 people whom most of us consider fellow Americans, but it will also disrupt the lives of the millions of us who depend upon them as workers, friends, community volunteers, taxpayers, and sometimes actually part of our own literal family.
Why do this, Donald Trump? What do we gain?
At the same time, I do ask myself what can we do to control the population of our nation? I don't care what people look like, though I do particularly appreciate people who are truly bilingual and in that way bring special types of brainpower and intellectual health (for example, less Alzheimer's). But though I don't care about people's ethnic background, I do care about overpopulation.
I could say more, but I don't think that overpopulation is even vaguely in the minds of the American right wing.
Why do this, Donald Trump? What do we gain?
At the same time, I do ask myself what can we do to control the population of our nation? I don't care what people look like, though I do particularly appreciate people who are truly bilingual and in that way bring special types of brainpower and intellectual health (for example, less Alzheimer's). But though I don't care about people's ethnic background, I do care about overpopulation.
I could say more, but I don't think that overpopulation is even vaguely in the minds of the American right wing.
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President Trump once agains delivers on his campaign promises. All the "Nobel Prize" DACA recipients can apply for LEGAL immigration to the US after they first go back to their native countries along with their criminal parents. And perhaps in 10 years they will be able to return after all LEGAL immigration applicants have been processed.
Lesson to be learned, ignorance of the law does not give you the right to be rewarded with US citizenship.
Lesson to be learned, ignorance of the law does not give you the right to be rewarded with US citizenship.
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DACA written by Obama............................pushed by Obama.
These are not children, but young adults who should blame their criminal parents for bringing them to the US illegally, breaking OUR laws. They're gotten free public education, speak two languages fluently and will be an asset to their native lands.
These are not children, but young adults who should blame their criminal parents for bringing them to the US illegally, breaking OUR laws. They're gotten free public education, speak two languages fluently and will be an asset to their native lands.
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Promise them anything, but give them...threat of deportation.
With DACA, President Obama acted to do what he could to resolve a humanitarian crisis by issuing an executive order, in the absence of action by Congress, to enable these people who were brought here by their parents, who know no other country, speak English as their primary language, and who have by and large benefited us, to stay, conditionally.
Now Obama's successor, the child who thinks he is a prince, in his maniacal desire to erase his predecessor's every action regardless of the effects, has reversed DACA. This in spite of his promise to help these people, in his often self-contradictory campaign for the presidency.
We are all immigrants, or children of immigrants, unless we are Navajo, Hopi, Cherokee, Iroquois, Cheyenne, Apache, Paiute, Lakota...
With DACA, President Obama acted to do what he could to resolve a humanitarian crisis by issuing an executive order, in the absence of action by Congress, to enable these people who were brought here by their parents, who know no other country, speak English as their primary language, and who have by and large benefited us, to stay, conditionally.
Now Obama's successor, the child who thinks he is a prince, in his maniacal desire to erase his predecessor's every action regardless of the effects, has reversed DACA. This in spite of his promise to help these people, in his often self-contradictory campaign for the presidency.
We are all immigrants, or children of immigrants, unless we are Navajo, Hopi, Cherokee, Iroquois, Cheyenne, Apache, Paiute, Lakota...
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If Trump like issuing pardons at photo ops why not pardon 800,000 children?
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What Trump did with DACA is nothing more than gutless pandering to hate.
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The majority of Americans want the Dreamers to stay. So what's the problem?
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Why doesn't Trump let Congress know what he is looking for in an immigration bill? He says he has great love for the Dreamers. dunky dust to that. If he did he never would have never acted like he did, and he would have spoke to the Nation and not send out AG Sessions. Same old Trump If Congress doesn't fix this it will be there Fault not his... Never trump.
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Ending DACA is an asset to our nation, not a cruel action. For so long we have been keeping immigrant children in the United States because of one simple reason: they have children who were born or brought here. If we treat the children as the illegal immigrants they are, then they will no longer be able to play on the humanity of our nation's populous to stay in the country. If congress repeals DACA, immigrant families will not have to be split up-they will all be deported together. Why should illegal immigrant families be given more opportunities at better lives in this nation than it's own citizens are? The idea that all immigrants have low-paying menial jobs is an outright lie. Most immigrants are given comfortable jobs, new cars, houses, and government paychecks-although the media may not project the truth, it exists nonetheless. A man I know worked at a manufacturing company, and that company employed several immigrants who could barely speak English, and yet had all of the aforementioned items. Just as well they made more money than most of the foremen in the plant. I don't think the nation's policies on immigrants in that respect would've changed that much in the past decade. Put the citizens of America before the citizens of other nations. It only stands to reason that the U.S government should care more about the U.S citizens who fund it than immigrants/illegals who are just coming to this nation looking for a free ride.
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@jjrev, can you cite reliable sources for your claim that immigrants are given housing, cars and jobs? It sounds like quite a claim, and, as you know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Illegal immigration is a problem, but claims like this, without good evidence, simply exclude you from reasonable discussion.
Illegal immigration is a problem, but claims like this, without good evidence, simply exclude you from reasonable discussion.
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That is what the Trump supporters fail to understand. The jobs are not "given" to the DACA kids or the illegal immigrants. They work very hard to get them.
Nobody is given jobs, you work for them.
States like Ohio have job openings that they cannot fill because american applicants fail drug tests. Employers need someone who does the job and is willing to help their employer business, no lazy ones that believe they are entitled to it.
Nobody is given jobs, you work for them.
States like Ohio have job openings that they cannot fill because american applicants fail drug tests. Employers need someone who does the job and is willing to help their employer business, no lazy ones that believe they are entitled to it.
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Trump knows his only support is from those who voted for him. They share none of the qualities the rest of us regard as humane, empathetic, compassionate. These supporters are moral failures led by the über moral failure. He caters to their prejudice and intolerance because he is president to them and only them. For the rest of us, he is a traitor to the aspects of our society that we hold dear — tolerance, fairness, equality, doing the right thing. We need to do better, he is dragging us back to another century.
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One more item of uncertainty which will hamper our economy. "The Market does not like uncertainty" as the saying goes. And as the Market goes, so goes business. Maybe if this guy sufficiently hurts himself economically, he'll stop before he ruins the U.S. economy.
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As the dreamers bolster the tax rolls, increase GNP and add youth to the workforce, I wouldn't be surprised if Canada offered to take them. Canada runs a smart and robust immigration program, while ours is a mess due to years of inaction. Just another example of America in decline.
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Though I am pro-immigration, I do understand the point of those opposed to it. One of the major points brought up by anti-immigration activists is the illegality of these immigrants. Many people's response in any type of discussion about immigration is simple, "Come here legally." Though this seems to be an easy task, it can take five plus years to become a legal citizen. The "hoops" immigrants have to jump through to become a citizen are so taxing and time consuming that it makes sense to stay in the United States illegally. I believe that it is most important to reform the immigration application first before rashly deporting thousands of immigrants who do not even remember coming to this country. Most immigrants protected by the DACA did not make a conscience decision to come to this country and cannot even remember life before the came to the United States. Because most of these young immigrants grew up here and feel that the United States is their true home, they are just as American as me. Removing an immigrant who is as much as an American citizen as anyone else and knows this country to be their own is an issue that morally and ethically outweighs the issue of illegality. I believe the President Trump's declaration to end DACA was only done as a grand gesture for his more conservative constituents, and I believe it is unlikely that we will deport 800,000 young adults, yet we are in dire need of some type of moderate change to the immigration policy we currently have.
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On most issues, I strongly disagree with Trump, Steven Miller and Sessions, but for bringing the immigration issue back to a responsible, legal, and Constitutional focus, this democrat is grateful.
It amazes me that my Democratic Party can not see the logic of enforcing legal immigration; my faith in the party of FDR, LBJ is fading and I no longer can identify with the party nor Republicans.
It amazes me that my Democratic Party can not see the logic of enforcing legal immigration; my faith in the party of FDR, LBJ is fading and I no longer can identify with the party nor Republicans.
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JRS, the problem is not with "your Democratic Party". In 2012, the Senate passed a bi-partisan immigration bill that went to the House and was never brought up for a vote. The Senate bill did have a provision for Dreamers. By the way, the Repubs had control of the House.
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He's a reflection of the people who elected him. They don't want to plan, understand the obstacles that face them, work with people to make things better -- they and he just want to throw the ball up in the air and hope it lands in the right place. If you question them on it, they just get angry and lash out. We're in deep deep trouble. How do you change a culture of a country back to working with what you have, not the way you want it to be with a wave of the magic wand? Of course it's better to have policy shaped by Congress than by the executive, but for that to happen, the executive has to work with Congress, not vilify them at every turn.
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Explain how a group who gained entrance illegally into the USA are entitled to stay in this country ahead of anyone trying gain entrance through legitimate procedures. Age and circumstances have no little bearing on the claim of a legitimate right to remain. This illegal executive order has had several unintended consequences. In New York, for example, dreamers are entitles to tuition assistance afforded in-state residence, public assistance and medicare. In addition some of these benefits extend to family members as well. We all know the numbers are going to continue to increase as long as the border is not secured. It is unfortunate that the Gov Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio seem to focus more on the rights of illegal alien than the rights of its US citizens.
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"But despite broad and longstanding bipartisan support for measures to legalize unauthorized immigrants brought to the United States as children, the odds of a sweeping immigration deal in a deeply divided Congress appeared long. Legislation to protect the “dreamers” has also repeatedly died in Congress."
My Atlanta paper has a number of quotes from Georgia Congressional republicans, beating their chests, who all said that the DACA was illegal, un-Constitutional and other things. My question is: why has not something been passed one way or the other?
DACA has been in place since 2012, five years, yet Congress could not get an act passed with "bi-partisan" support? The republicans have had control of both houses of congress for two years and eight months and eight months with the president. If DACA is so bad, so illegal, so un-Constitutional, why didn't they republicans pass a bill one way or another, this year?
My Atlanta paper has a number of quotes from Georgia Congressional republicans, beating their chests, who all said that the DACA was illegal, un-Constitutional and other things. My question is: why has not something been passed one way or the other?
DACA has been in place since 2012, five years, yet Congress could not get an act passed with "bi-partisan" support? The republicans have had control of both houses of congress for two years and eight months and eight months with the president. If DACA is so bad, so illegal, so un-Constitutional, why didn't they republicans pass a bill one way or another, this year?
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Caught in a difficult situation of his own making Trump passes the DACA buck to the Congress which itself is looking for an escape route. In the mean time, the fate of the Dreamers hangs in the balance.
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"Man was not made for the law,
but the law was made for men."
In other words, all these comments
stating the "law" must he upheld!
Undocumented folks must go!!
(cue tikki torches here).
We (men/ women) write our own
governmental laws, and when we find
an injustice to said law, it is up to us men
and women to make it right.
A young women African-American
woman from Seattle was recently gunned
down in her home, in front of her
children, by the Seattle Police
Department, after calling them for help.
She was pregnant and shot twice in the
back.
Where is the "moral" outrage in our public
sphere?
Where are the cries for justice and
inquury?
Where is the punishment for abusers
of power?
Is our nation now a den of theives
and murderers, that emanate from
the "highest" offices in the land?
We are now a nation, where the
"President of the United States", the most
respected nation on earth, cannot
unequivocally call out Nazis?
We're now a nation where the President
of the United States, tells law enforcement,
they can go ahead and "rough" up
detainees.
Question: When brotherly love,
righteousness, and justice, depart from
your lands; what's left?
but the law was made for men."
In other words, all these comments
stating the "law" must he upheld!
Undocumented folks must go!!
(cue tikki torches here).
We (men/ women) write our own
governmental laws, and when we find
an injustice to said law, it is up to us men
and women to make it right.
A young women African-American
woman from Seattle was recently gunned
down in her home, in front of her
children, by the Seattle Police
Department, after calling them for help.
She was pregnant and shot twice in the
back.
Where is the "moral" outrage in our public
sphere?
Where are the cries for justice and
inquury?
Where is the punishment for abusers
of power?
Is our nation now a den of theives
and murderers, that emanate from
the "highest" offices in the land?
We are now a nation, where the
"President of the United States", the most
respected nation on earth, cannot
unequivocally call out Nazis?
We're now a nation where the President
of the United States, tells law enforcement,
they can go ahead and "rough" up
detainees.
Question: When brotherly love,
righteousness, and justice, depart from
your lands; what's left?
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So, you asked that great statesman, Mark Zuckerberg, for his opinion on the matter?
He doesn't get it. DACA means as long as people illegally cross our border, dragging along a kid or two, the kids will not only be taken care of and given an education here, they will then have fast track to citizenship. So, it will no longer be just babies of illegal immigrants born on our soil who become citizens, but now their children born in foreign countries that they bring in two with them. If this is allowed to stand, it won't get long before advocates of compassion will be demanding automatic citizenship for their parents and relatives, too - and in a sense, they already are with their unqualified support of so-called "sanctuary cities" where the laws of the United States are purposely flaunted and undermined. Mr. Zuckerberg just doesn't get it.
He doesn't get it. DACA means as long as people illegally cross our border, dragging along a kid or two, the kids will not only be taken care of and given an education here, they will then have fast track to citizenship. So, it will no longer be just babies of illegal immigrants born on our soil who become citizens, but now their children born in foreign countries that they bring in two with them. If this is allowed to stand, it won't get long before advocates of compassion will be demanding automatic citizenship for their parents and relatives, too - and in a sense, they already are with their unqualified support of so-called "sanctuary cities" where the laws of the United States are purposely flaunted and undermined. Mr. Zuckerberg just doesn't get it.
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So, if let say Arpaio comits a crime, violates the Constitutional individual rights, then proceeds to continue doing it after the courts order him to stop, that is legal.
Someone who is a citizen could be having dinner while perhaps speaking a different language, or looking a little darker, but unless they walk around with their passport to show proof of citizenship, they could be arrested.
That is legal, however, giving these kids who contribute to the economy and science is not.
Cannot support one but not the other. Otherwise is just called racism.
And don't forget, T promised to show Melania's immigration papers, but I guess he "forgot".
Someone who is a citizen could be having dinner while perhaps speaking a different language, or looking a little darker, but unless they walk around with their passport to show proof of citizenship, they could be arrested.
That is legal, however, giving these kids who contribute to the economy and science is not.
Cannot support one but not the other. Otherwise is just called racism.
And don't forget, T promised to show Melania's immigration papers, but I guess he "forgot".
Just this past Labor Day weekend the Boy Scouts of America had their annual sale of donated goods in our small town. It is a huge sale that attracts people from all over the state and requires a lot of prep. One of the organizers told us if they don't get more help next year in setting up they will not have the sale. He added that they had to "bring in the Guatemalans" and pay them to set up because they needed help so badly.
They did not ask for these jobs they were simply filling jobs no American apparently wanted. The sale went on a planned. What about next year?
They did not ask for these jobs they were simply filling jobs no American apparently wanted. The sale went on a planned. What about next year?
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While demonstrations are fine, those affected by DACA need to have their younger siblings who were born in the US and are American citizens register and vote if they are or will be 18 by Election Day, 20218. Also, all the friends and other relatives of the Trump's DACA cancellation edict who are citizens should register and vote.
Demonstrations, rallies, protests and sit-ins are not an end, but merely a motivation for participants and like minded observers to register and vote.
To change policy, we need to change policy makers, and that takes voting.
Demonstrations, rallies, protests and sit-ins are not an end, but merely a motivation for participants and like minded observers to register and vote.
To change policy, we need to change policy makers, and that takes voting.
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What seems cruel absolutely is. Congress has trouble making any decision.
Did you ever try and reach agreement with 100 or more on your committee.?
This pretend President is a towering idiot,and cruel to the bone.We don't have long to rid ourselves of this affront to humanity and his cabinet of horrors.
Republicans ,you did this,fix it or resign!
Did you ever try and reach agreement with 100 or more on your committee.?
This pretend President is a towering idiot,and cruel to the bone.We don't have long to rid ourselves of this affront to humanity and his cabinet of horrors.
Republicans ,you did this,fix it or resign!
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So it would appear that your suggestion is to allow the president to do whatever he or she feels is right? In that case, both Mr. Obama and Mr. Trump acted within your framework.
Call me old fashioned if you will, but I feel more secure when the Congress passes the laws and the President enforces them.
Call me old fashioned if you will, but I feel more secure when the Congress passes the laws and the President enforces them.
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To All DACA Families.
Come to Canada. We speak English (although some words are spelled differently and more often properly). We have a universal health care system, although you may need to wait a little while for a diagnosis, but it will not bankrupt you. We have a an excellent education system. Our Parliamentary system for the most part works and is civil. We do not have KKK and the Alt White/Right. I do admit there are a few wackos hiding in the weeds but the majority of Canadians are Kind, Considerate, and yes, Polite folk. We encourage multiculturalism. Maintain your culture and weave it into our Canadian landscape. Our money is very colourful. It may not buy as much as the American Dollar but the trade off is no need to worry about a bigoted, lying, and rather bloated President. Our Prime Minister is a "Hottie" some people would say.
Canada will gladly take these honest, well educated, hard working your people without reservation.
Come on Up Eh!
Come to Canada. We speak English (although some words are spelled differently and more often properly). We have a universal health care system, although you may need to wait a little while for a diagnosis, but it will not bankrupt you. We have a an excellent education system. Our Parliamentary system for the most part works and is civil. We do not have KKK and the Alt White/Right. I do admit there are a few wackos hiding in the weeds but the majority of Canadians are Kind, Considerate, and yes, Polite folk. We encourage multiculturalism. Maintain your culture and weave it into our Canadian landscape. Our money is very colourful. It may not buy as much as the American Dollar but the trade off is no need to worry about a bigoted, lying, and rather bloated President. Our Prime Minister is a "Hottie" some people would say.
Canada will gladly take these honest, well educated, hard working your people without reservation.
Come on Up Eh!
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Trump doing what Trump does best; pandering to the uneducated/unemployed white supremacists (while not actually giving them anything) while finding another way to reduce the taxes of the disgustingly rich.
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Oboob's DACA was an unconstitutional power grab and attempt to curry favor with Latino voters. The last "president" cowardly kicked the immigration can down the road leaving this president to deal with the problem.
What part of "illegal" are we not getting? Shouldn't the blame be put on the parents of these kids, you know, the ones that jumped the turnstile ahead of folks who paid the thousands of dollars and waited years to get into the US legally?
What part of "illegal" are we not getting? Shouldn't the blame be put on the parents of these kids, you know, the ones that jumped the turnstile ahead of folks who paid the thousands of dollars and waited years to get into the US legally?
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The part of "illlegal" that we are :not getting" is the part where the business models of US employers
include illegally using (and sometimes abusing) illegal immigrants and getting away with it.
include illegally using (and sometimes abusing) illegal immigrants and getting away with it.
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I am a legal alien and I agree with you. When my visa expires, I will have to leave the country and so will my American-citizen child.
When children who are legal citizens of the USA (like mine) do not automatically get to be raised in the USA owing to their parent's immigrant status- how can children and adults who came here illegally stake any sort of claim?
When children who are legal citizens of the USA (like mine) do not automatically get to be raised in the USA owing to their parent's immigrant status- how can children and adults who came here illegally stake any sort of claim?
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Congress should grant citizenship to DACA enrollees as part of a legislative package designed to stop future illegal immigration. The package should also:
1. authorize state, county and city police to enforce federal immigration laws;
2. empower states, counties and cities to make it unlawful for unauthorized immigrants to reside within their jurisdictions;
3. make E-Verify mandatory nationwide;
4. change asylum laws to deny asylum to anyone who enters the country illegally;
5. initiate a process to reinterpret or, if necessary, amend the citizenship clause to grant birthright citizenship only to children born to U.S. parents; and;
If these measures were put into effect, we wouldn’t need a border wall or a border fence, but the compromise package should designate the existing border fence the “Donald Trump Border Wall” so Trump will sign the bill. We can tear down the fence after he leaves
1. authorize state, county and city police to enforce federal immigration laws;
2. empower states, counties and cities to make it unlawful for unauthorized immigrants to reside within their jurisdictions;
3. make E-Verify mandatory nationwide;
4. change asylum laws to deny asylum to anyone who enters the country illegally;
5. initiate a process to reinterpret or, if necessary, amend the citizenship clause to grant birthright citizenship only to children born to U.S. parents; and;
If these measures were put into effect, we wouldn’t need a border wall or a border fence, but the compromise package should designate the existing border fence the “Donald Trump Border Wall” so Trump will sign the bill. We can tear down the fence after he leaves
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Ridiculous....when Obama put this in play he failed to lead and use political capital. Now like health care it's a mess and Trump is trying to workout the mess.
Leaving it be is not fair to the 320 million legal US residents....oh yeah the silent majority only is listened too every four years.!
Leaving it be is not fair to the 320 million legal US residents....oh yeah the silent majority only is listened too every four years.!
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Parents will do anything for their children. If you told them that they could rob a bank and their kids could keep the profits, what parent wouldn't? DACA encourages parents to break the law and their kids to profit from that crime. What bothers me is that it benefits those who are willing to break the law. There are millions of people all over the world who respect the US immigration law and wait their turn to emigrate legally who must feel like fools looking at the DACA kids getting everything they want because their parents laughed at US immigration law, came here illegally and refuse to leave. When will it end? How many millions of foreign nationals will come here thinking their kids can get DACA and never be deported because they don't have to follow US law. What makes anyone think they can thumb their noses at US law and then be considered a victim.
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DJT makes this a law and order issue, devoid of social considerations. He himself engages in constant criminal behavior and has for years. The hypocrisy is monumental.
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Would the Republicans do this to eliminate a large Democratic voting block? Probably
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So, Sessions believes this young promising people who never committed a crime should be deported because things have to be done following the law, not by overreaching of executive branch like Obama did.
I wish he applied at least the same standard to Arpaio who violated constitutional rights and failed to follow the orders of the court to stop doing it.
He could arrest a "brown" citizen if he looked suspicious and was not walking around with passport in hand!
I wish he applied at least the same standard to Arpaio who violated constitutional rights and failed to follow the orders of the court to stop doing it.
He could arrest a "brown" citizen if he looked suspicious and was not walking around with passport in hand!
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Racist Trump has been 'faithful' in trying to obliterate any and all Obama stood for, even if some of the ideas originated from republican heads (an oxymoron of sorts). Now its DACA's turn to bite the dust. What next? Declare lying, and cheating, and destroying the truth, the law of the land?
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Imagine if we are struck by a natural disaster or even attacked by an enemy? We would want to seek refuge somewhere. Will our neighbors accept us? Or, will we be told that we do not have proper documentation?
Imagine, our children in the same situation as these thousands of the Dreamers?
This is something Mr Trump and Jeff Sessions to think about.
Imagine, our children in the same situation as these thousands of the Dreamers?
This is something Mr Trump and Jeff Sessions to think about.
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it is a very dark times for out country, Trump has to go , he is taring our country to pieces , our Congress also sucks , all the problems we are having they took their long summer brake and they have their health insurance and their pennsion so they have to go too we have to clean the whole house, go to a new election if country still elect Trump than we have to live with it but the whole thing must stop now, any think Obama did Trump is distroying because he is black and his middle name Hussein, that makes him a enemy , than Trump goes to church and prays SNL
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Everybody wants an advantage. Everyone wants a benefit. Everyone wants something they are not necessarily entitled to! The mediocre student who didn't bother to do his homework wants to go to an Ivy League school. For free. The lazy people who have contributed nothing to society think it's unfair for those who are smart and who have worked hard to have any advantages. I believe the parents of the "Dreamers" took a calculated risk with the intention of playing on the heartstrings of humanity. Unfair and wrong!!! No one is letting me sneak into England or Switzerland or France and get all the benefits its citizens enjoy. Why bother being a citizen? Not everyone wins the lottery...any lottery! And yes! I'm tired of the number of seats at colleges being depleted by "Dreamers" who tend to show little gratitude. I'm mostly sick of immigrants siphoning benefits from medical care to seats at the best public schools while complaining about this country and how great "their country" is and how they long for the day to go back to their "beautiful country."
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"The lazy people who have contributed nothing to society think it's unfair for those who are smart and who have worked hard to have any advantages."
Trump to a T.
Trump to a T.
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tRUMP has lost Hispanics for the GOP for the next century. In two more presidential election cycles the will be the majority of voters.
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Time for Congress to also repeal the Birthright Citizenship Act of 1868.
Enough of the anchor babies. Currently there are at least 5 million of them living within the country, in which 4 million are receiving food and housing and medical benefits. Who knows the exact number living outside of our nation waiting to return here when they're 18.
Enough of the anchor babies. Currently there are at least 5 million of them living within the country, in which 4 million are receiving food and housing and medical benefits. Who knows the exact number living outside of our nation waiting to return here when they're 18.
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Trump and his ilk must do some soul-searching and answer this question: How can you punish a person for a 'crime' he or she did not commit?
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Wait a minute. If it was illegal for Obama to circumvent the constitutional process in creating DACA, how can it be legal to extend an unconstitutional (according to Sessions) executive order on Trump's part?
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I can't stand Trump, but he just threw the immigration problem back where it belongs. It isn't the President's job, neither Obama's nor Trump's, to say who should be given citizenship. Let the legislators fix the problem, and if they don't, dump them next election. It's easy to find out how they voted.
The lack of immigration control and enforcement of law has been going on for decades since the Reagan Amnesty. There are several business interests in our country who like it the way it is, poor immigrants working for low wages and unable to complain because they will be deported. Meanwhile, we tax payers subsidize those industries by covering health care and education for their workers.
Here is a statistic to remember: If 800,000 people are given citizenship, and each legal immigrant brings an average of three people into the US (siblings, parents) we will have a total of two million, four hundred thousand from this group. Will they be doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.? Or will they be uneducated and unable to speak English and assimilate? We don't know, but we can assume they will come.
The lack of immigration control and enforcement of law has been going on for decades since the Reagan Amnesty. There are several business interests in our country who like it the way it is, poor immigrants working for low wages and unable to complain because they will be deported. Meanwhile, we tax payers subsidize those industries by covering health care and education for their workers.
Here is a statistic to remember: If 800,000 people are given citizenship, and each legal immigrant brings an average of three people into the US (siblings, parents) we will have a total of two million, four hundred thousand from this group. Will they be doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.? Or will they be uneducated and unable to speak English and assimilate? We don't know, but we can assume they will come.
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I live in the central San Joaquin Valley. We have a fair number of "dreamers" living in this area and they are not a "problem". They are hard working young people who contribute positively to society. They attend our local colleges and they are good students. The idea of sending them back to countries many of them don't even remember is not just heartless and cruel, it is just downright un-American. How did the United States arrive at a place where we have a man occupying the White House who could support such an outrageous action? I cannot help but wonder if this is just another attempt to deflect attention about that nagging "Russian problem".
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In the past, Mr. Trump gave words of encouragement, creating the impression that he would do something to help the "Dreamers". At the end, he did nothing. Not even to tell the people of his decision. He delegated this to his AG. This is not the first time that we see our POTUS running away from responsibility. When he assured health care for all Americans, all he did was to say 'repeal and replace' or just repeal the ACA. Today, there is not much talk about the subject.
Providing a six month grace period, is as good as ending the DACA program immediately. A very half hearted approach. What does it take for people like Mr. Trump, Jeff Sessions and those numerous Attorneys General to think and act in a better way. To act humanely? The only crime committed by these thousands of "Dreamers" is that, as very young children, they entered our country illegally. They came begging, looking for a place to stay. Since then, these children have grown to be responsible people, like all of us. Is that a crime? There's more to it, which Mr. Trump is not being very clear about.
Now that the DACA issue has been referred to the Congress, will members of the Congress act on it, act fast to provide a permanent solution to the plight of these distressed DACA members?
Providing a six month grace period, is as good as ending the DACA program immediately. A very half hearted approach. What does it take for people like Mr. Trump, Jeff Sessions and those numerous Attorneys General to think and act in a better way. To act humanely? The only crime committed by these thousands of "Dreamers" is that, as very young children, they entered our country illegally. They came begging, looking for a place to stay. Since then, these children have grown to be responsible people, like all of us. Is that a crime? There's more to it, which Mr. Trump is not being very clear about.
Now that the DACA issue has been referred to the Congress, will members of the Congress act on it, act fast to provide a permanent solution to the plight of these distressed DACA members?
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Rrump is so dishonest and wavering that he cannot even spell out what would be a "constitutional" solution to the ambuguous citizenship of people who were brought into the US as minors without their own informed consent.
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Funny how trump was able to settle out of court on 3 class action lawsuits filed against him for fraud and racketeering, he's being investigated for money-laundering, obstruction, and collusion, and just pardoned a birther vigilante buddy of his who was deemed by our judges to have broken the law, and Sessions lied under oath, but this little bigoted gnome Sessions can get away with claiming these Dreamers are the ones who are breaking laws.
What law have they broken? DACA is actually constitutional. And former President Obama had every right to enact it as a stop gap measure due to a completely inept and dysfunctional GOP congress.
To add insult to injury, today we not only have a completely inept and dysfunctional GOP congress, we have a completely inept and dysfunctional bigoted lunatic in the oval office and a completely inept an dysfunctional bigoted eugenics - touting relic for an attorney general who should have been run out on a rail for lying under oath.
The day I heed a lecture from these GOP frauds about our constitution is the day I go in for a psychological evaluation. Because you have to be crazy to listen to their demented rhetoric about former President Obama and anything that comes out of Trump's mouth.
Trump and his supporters in office are venal frauds and a disgrace to our country who - while monuments like the Statue of Robert E. Lee - sure don't mind tearing down our Statue of Liberty, our actual judiciary, and our country.
What law have they broken? DACA is actually constitutional. And former President Obama had every right to enact it as a stop gap measure due to a completely inept and dysfunctional GOP congress.
To add insult to injury, today we not only have a completely inept and dysfunctional GOP congress, we have a completely inept and dysfunctional bigoted lunatic in the oval office and a completely inept an dysfunctional bigoted eugenics - touting relic for an attorney general who should have been run out on a rail for lying under oath.
The day I heed a lecture from these GOP frauds about our constitution is the day I go in for a psychological evaluation. Because you have to be crazy to listen to their demented rhetoric about former President Obama and anything that comes out of Trump's mouth.
Trump and his supporters in office are venal frauds and a disgrace to our country who - while monuments like the Statue of Robert E. Lee - sure don't mind tearing down our Statue of Liberty, our actual judiciary, and our country.
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Even Putin in his dreams couldn't design the free fall destruction of our country and of our constitution, could he? In 9 short months Trump & Co have managed to: bring us to the brink of nuclear war, is detaining and deporting hundreds of thousands of people, banned Muslims from many countries, removed regulatory protections for the public (clean water, chemicals, fracking, gas and oil transportation, coal mining, safety etc.), renewed and increased a losing strategy in Afghanistan, angered and lost trust with all American allies, started and continues the destruction of Obamacare by de-funding it, has embraced and promoted racism and of Neo Nazi groups, doubling down on minor crimes and longer jail sentences, pardons a racist convicted sheriff, bans transgender citizens from serving our country, repeals the defense of LBGTQ in employment, allows his own and family enrichment and the list goes on. What's next civil war?
IF we don't stop him and impeach him and his entire administration we will have nothing left at all. Where are our elected officials?
IF we don't stop him and impeach him and his entire administration we will have nothing left at all. Where are our elected officials?
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...and then he came for the Dreamers, but I was not a Dreamer. Shame on us.
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Really the nation is up in arms about extending citizenship for 800,000 kids who had no choice on immigrating? The US population is over 326 million. That's about 0.2% of the population. Less than a percent. Less than half of of a percent! A drop in the proverbial population bucket and we are spending time and millions debating this issue? Just give them citizenship and lets move on.
Plus, we need these kids. If we are relying on the lazy, smartphone tethered, video game playing entitled American born kids to "dream" (aka, actually do some work) that I come into contact with everyday, we are in trouble. From what I've seen, most recent immigrant kids value the opportunities here, rather than feeling owed by our society. They get educations, work hard and contribute.
Plus, we need these kids. If we are relying on the lazy, smartphone tethered, video game playing entitled American born kids to "dream" (aka, actually do some work) that I come into contact with everyday, we are in trouble. From what I've seen, most recent immigrant kids value the opportunities here, rather than feeling owed by our society. They get educations, work hard and contribute.
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An opinion based on contempt for American citizens is not an opinion worth considering.
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Thanks for speaking the truth!
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Irs more than 800k. All the health care concerns impact millions more constittuens and he is putting all that up in the air as well. Problem is, for Trump, people under prolonged pressure tend to seethe, then explode...
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Does anybody else think that he is just setting up Jeff Sessions to take the fall (so he can fire him for "mishandling the DACA matter) when this turns even uglier and more political as the legal challenges come in?
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Time for Congress to make some sausage. If it means discussing a border wall or ending anchor babies, well, so be it. Everything should be on the table. After all, there are Americans who support each of these positions. They deserve representation.
This might be the first real negotiation to take place over the status of children of illegal immigrants in a decade. No presidential demands or interference. At the same time, no one to fly air cover -- ex., no Harry Reid to shelter inaction then claim "obstruction."
Simply a president waiting for Congress to act. Congress has never been so free to act as it is now.
This might be the first real negotiation to take place over the status of children of illegal immigrants in a decade. No presidential demands or interference. At the same time, no one to fly air cover -- ex., no Harry Reid to shelter inaction then claim "obstruction."
Simply a president waiting for Congress to act. Congress has never been so free to act as it is now.
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Absolutely nothing about this it's simple. Especially not for schools, businesses, employers, families, friends etc., everything these 800 k kids are connected with. For politicians it is as simple as sending a drone to bomb a wedding ceremony who's participants they will never know .
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I believe that the greatest failing of Washington in the past 25 years is the inability of our Presidents and Congress to work together to solve the great problems of our time including immigration and healthcare. All of the issues we face as a nation require compassion and fairness. Washington has failed we the people.
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Those who argue that the young people covered under DACA will take American jobs are seeing only part of the picture. They will also participate in the economy as consumers, which participation will help to create jobs, and some of them will even go on to start businesses of their own which will employ people. These young people will contribute far more than they take from the American economy.
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The DACA kids are a red herring. As a standalone issue it would probably not get so much resistance. It's the gateway that people are worried about, quite legitimately. What about the parents, the rest of the families, and more potential relatives that are the concern. More lowered wages, more crowded low-income schools, more healthcare costs.
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Population stabilization is a global issue. Osmosis is a physical process you cannot resist.
If Americans felt our border and illegal immigrant population were under control, they would likely be much more lenient, even support amnesty. It's the sense that immigration is out-of-control that breeds this desire for stringent adherence to law.
Under Obama, Americans felt laws were completely disregarded. Illegal immigrants had to commit a seriously felony to be apprehended. This is clearly a violation of what people know deep down -- that is, that laws need to be observed. Most Americans don't live their lives believing they can disregard laws. Those that do are considered "criminals" and their actions eschewed by normal Americans. Sure, Americans get lawyers and the best defense they can afford, but they fully understand laws are meant to be followed. Obama, on the other hand, disregarded the law.
If Trump could regain control of illegal immigration, as he's begun at our border (the result of following laws again), Congress will have more room to grant rights to Dreamers and their parents.
Americans are not heartless. They are law-abiding. That's a GOOD thing and not something that should be treated with disdain or discouraged.
Under Obama, Americans felt laws were completely disregarded. Illegal immigrants had to commit a seriously felony to be apprehended. This is clearly a violation of what people know deep down -- that is, that laws need to be observed. Most Americans don't live their lives believing they can disregard laws. Those that do are considered "criminals" and their actions eschewed by normal Americans. Sure, Americans get lawyers and the best defense they can afford, but they fully understand laws are meant to be followed. Obama, on the other hand, disregarded the law.
If Trump could regain control of illegal immigration, as he's begun at our border (the result of following laws again), Congress will have more room to grant rights to Dreamers and their parents.
Americans are not heartless. They are law-abiding. That's a GOOD thing and not something that should be treated with disdain or discouraged.
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Statistics say: For every immigrant who becomes a citizen, the average number of relatives that person sponsors is three. We need to look at it this way. Two hundred thousand given amnesty will become six hundred thousand more in the near future. Perhaps the quota from that country should be reduced to accommodate the inevitable increase.
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Anyone who cannot see that Trump's ONLY reason for running on the GOP ticket was to smear Obama and Hillary, erase the Obama presidency (not that it will EVER happen) and while he was at it, shred the Republican Party.
If ever there was certainty of a Democratic president in 2020, this DACA ruling by Trump proves it beyond any doubt.
How is it Trump never once mentions his two wives are immigrants? How is it he never mentions his current wife's immigrant parents "somehow" entered the US courtesy of Trump money.
When he demanded to see Obama's birth certificate, he opened the door to Americans to demand to see Melania's immigration papers.
If ever there was certainty of a Democratic president in 2020, this DACA ruling by Trump proves it beyond any doubt.
How is it Trump never once mentions his two wives are immigrants? How is it he never mentions his current wife's immigrant parents "somehow" entered the US courtesy of Trump money.
When he demanded to see Obama's birth certificate, he opened the door to Americans to demand to see Melania's immigration papers.
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Note to liberals: Not everything is about you. This is the height of liberal arrogance to believe it's all about "undoing" your politicians, ideals, policies, etc. Taking it personally just brings out your nastiness.
There are millions of Americans who believe immigration laws were mishandled by Obama. It's perfectly legitimate criticism to say he overstepped his role.
There are millions of Americans who believe immigration laws were mishandled by Obama. It's perfectly legitimate criticism to say he overstepped his role.
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Trump is a nihilist's nihilist. He will lead a nation of lemmings over the cliff.
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I don't agree with Trump but must say the following:
It really IS congress's job to address this issue. What looks superficially like a cruel and heartless dodge on Trump's has a basis in the realities of our constitution. If Americans want a government that is merely a dictatorship of seesawing executive decrees...8 years GOP (conservative)...8 years Democrat (liberal)...so on and so forth than so be it, change the constitution. What do you expect from a citizenry that barely votes in mid-term elections.
As for Trump, if he really "loves" these people he should put away the golf clubs, turn off Fox News and sit down with Kelly and congressional leaders to get it done...and...if that means giving him a couple of billion dollars to draw up blueprints for a few miles of "the wall" then so be it. Might make a great handball court in 2021.
Without CONGRESS passing the 13th Amendment, the Emancipation Proclamation might just have just been another "executive order"...to be rescinded by Rutherford Hayes in 1877.
It really IS congress's job to address this issue. What looks superficially like a cruel and heartless dodge on Trump's has a basis in the realities of our constitution. If Americans want a government that is merely a dictatorship of seesawing executive decrees...8 years GOP (conservative)...8 years Democrat (liberal)...so on and so forth than so be it, change the constitution. What do you expect from a citizenry that barely votes in mid-term elections.
As for Trump, if he really "loves" these people he should put away the golf clubs, turn off Fox News and sit down with Kelly and congressional leaders to get it done...and...if that means giving him a couple of billion dollars to draw up blueprints for a few miles of "the wall" then so be it. Might make a great handball court in 2021.
Without CONGRESS passing the 13th Amendment, the Emancipation Proclamation might just have just been another "executive order"...to be rescinded by Rutherford Hayes in 1877.
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The fouteenth amendment directive of equal protection of the law is just another broken promise in the US.
I don't believe the 14th Amendment actually applies to "dreamers", who by definition, were not born in the US. That said, I strongly believe that in the next 6 months ALL who support dreamers should be lobbying and raising hell IN EVERY STATE to move congress to do the right thing. These kids are smart, motivated and great community members and I for one support their quest for full citizenship for themselves (and their families) 100%.
DACA was an evil "progressive" act that lured illegal immigrants with no real guarantee of obtaining legal status. All in an attempt to create more democrat votes.
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Trump, who ran on the immigration issue, has nothing meaningful to say on DACA. He sends his smirking toady, A.G. Sessions, out before the cameras to tell us DACA is illegal -- highly questionable -- but, if it is, why evenj let it continue temporarily? OK, so maybe Congress should enact a better, more comprehensive, and less controversial DACA. Perhaps these immigration "experts" might opine on what its key parameters and priorities should be. What criteria should Congress weigh? What opportunities, pitfalls, tradeoffs, etc. do they see? Not a word from Trump and Sessions on this. They are wimps, leading from behind.
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What are the anxiety-crippled lives of eight hundred thousand kids ("People think children, but they're young adults, really...") compared to getting Russia off the front page.
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I listened to Jeff Sessions' news conference. Blah blah blah: the claims of the lack of constitutionality, the standard Trump administration nonsense, their standard heartlessness, their twisted interpretation of the law. But what floored me was that Sessions also felt he had to obsequiously praise how great Trump is. Is everything that goes on with the administration required to have 10 seconds of how great Trump is imbedded into it?
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Trump wants to deport 800,000 young people who are for all intents and purposes Americans, yet he didn't even have the courage to stand up and say it himself or answer questions. What a coward.
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Simply put: Trump is bound and determined to erase or rename anything that Obama did whether it needs to be or not...
...to the point of a childish obsession.
These are not the actions of a president
They're the actions of a spoiled 5-year-old brat.
...to the point of a childish obsession.
These are not the actions of a president
They're the actions of a spoiled 5-year-old brat.
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DACA was signed by President Obama to be a temporary measure to buy time for Congress to act to provide a permanent solution to the problem. Instead, Congress took it as license to evade its responsibilities to deal with a political hot potato. With no expiration date, Congress felt free to do nothing.
With DACA under legal attack, the "Dreamers" future was already on shaky ground. The six month deadline returns the ball to where it belongs......Congress. Only through Congressional action will there be a permanent, lawful resolution of the Dreamers future
With DACA under legal attack, the "Dreamers" future was already on shaky ground. The six month deadline returns the ball to where it belongs......Congress. Only through Congressional action will there be a permanent, lawful resolution of the Dreamers future
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The issue is finally where it belongs. Congress must now step up and do the job it's avoided for the past 16 years. The next step for Trump should be to make them subject to the ACA. They have opted out of their responsibility too long.
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Instead of blaming the president, we need to look at the Congress and its failure to pass an immigration reform. Obama's executive order had a duel motive. To give a fair chance to the Dreamers while securing votes from the second largest ethnic group in our country. So, Trump's decision would put the onus back on the congress, on our elected officials, who indulge in cheap populist rhetoric while not taking responsibility for their decisions or facing consequences in elections. The real blame lies with the Democrats and Republicans for failing to address this important issue.
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The solution is so simple even this Congress can fix it. All of those who were brought to the U.S. under the age of 18 before 2017 should be given permanent resident status and be able to apply for citizenship as legal immigrants. Period. End of problem.
Then Congress must create new legislation to fix immigration for the benefit of all Americans, not just Mr Trump and his deplorable supporters.
Then Congress must create new legislation to fix immigration for the benefit of all Americans, not just Mr Trump and his deplorable supporters.
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And then what? I thought it's been considered cruel and heartless to pull families apart by deporting one (or some) family member(s) while the rest of the family stays here. Dreamers will become permanent residents with a path to citizenship. Fine. Then they shouldn't complain if they can't drag their entire families along for the ride. If staying here is the most important thing for Dreamers then let them make the courageous sacrifice and go it alone. It's either accept the opportunity to stay...created by your cavalier, rule-breaking families who brought you here against your will...and deal with your family The whole world can't have it their way entirely...so many millions would love to live here but cannot. Courage of convictions! Otherwise, ho home with your families and stop complaining. Life isn't fair. For anybody!
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Just as President Jackson is remembered in part for the "trail of tears" - the forced movement of Native Americans from their ancestral homes to west of the Mississippi, President Trump can have his own "trail of tears" as a legacy. Imagine, trucks, perhaps owned by friends of Trump (FOT) or Trump (POTUS) loading these young folks, so easy to identify, into the trucks. The trucks head south, stopping occasionally at FOT or POTUS owned hotels, with taxpayers paying to rid themselves of people who could have contributed greatly to the US. At the border, trunks are emptied and Dreamers are forced to walk across, belongings in hand to a Mexico or wherever they are to go. Great pictures of the young folks slugging along to their new countries, shot by drones, could make this an even bigger event than President Jackson's actions in a different century. Should Congress decide to act to prevent this "parade" of talented youth out of the country (act and prevent may be two words not available to this Congress especially when it comes to defenseless peoples), I hope that they pass a bill not only legislating a path to legal residence in the US, but a path to full citizenship. Creating a class of people who can never voice their opinions through their vote would be almost as bad as parading them out of the country.
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So, what's the plan in the quite likely event Congress fails to care for the DACA young people? Rage, fear, disgust, shock don't begin to cover the impact of this decision And what of the practicalities? What's the plan?
Build more detention camps and transport these 800,000 people who have grown up in this country, successfully completed many educational levels, who work, pay taxes and social security, possess unblemished personal records-- and house all 800,000 in these camps?
Drop them over the border of countries where they have barely lived, where they may not know the language, where they have no jobs or means of support, family or friends--with whatever they can carry in a suitcase? Where violence and chaos are rampant?
What about those who are still minors--who cares for them? What about the wives and children of those who have started families--how do they live?
And what does this country do, bereft of doctors, entrepreneurs, engineers, scientists, educators, healthcare workers, skilled laborers--robbed of 800,000 valuable people?
This certainly can't qualify as repatriation. But does it count as collective expulsion, internationally considered an illegal governmental act?
Shadows of the most inhumane decisions in America's history cloud this act. It is untenable.
Build more detention camps and transport these 800,000 people who have grown up in this country, successfully completed many educational levels, who work, pay taxes and social security, possess unblemished personal records-- and house all 800,000 in these camps?
Drop them over the border of countries where they have barely lived, where they may not know the language, where they have no jobs or means of support, family or friends--with whatever they can carry in a suitcase? Where violence and chaos are rampant?
What about those who are still minors--who cares for them? What about the wives and children of those who have started families--how do they live?
And what does this country do, bereft of doctors, entrepreneurs, engineers, scientists, educators, healthcare workers, skilled laborers--robbed of 800,000 valuable people?
This certainly can't qualify as repatriation. But does it count as collective expulsion, internationally considered an illegal governmental act?
Shadows of the most inhumane decisions in America's history cloud this act. It is untenable.
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How thorough was the vetting when people applied for the DACA program?
Are they all doctors, entrepreneurs, engineers, scientists, educators, etc. as you say? We should not assume they are all model citizens with college degrees.
I can't stand Trump, but he just threw the immigration problem back where it belongs. It isn't the President's job, neither Obama's nor Trump's, to say who should be given citizenship. Let the legislators do their job and if they don't, dump them.
This lack of immigration control and enforcement of laws has been going on for decades since the Reagan Amnesty. There are several business interests in our country who like it the way it is, poor immigrants working for low wages and unable to complain because they will be deported.
Are they all doctors, entrepreneurs, engineers, scientists, educators, etc. as you say? We should not assume they are all model citizens with college degrees.
I can't stand Trump, but he just threw the immigration problem back where it belongs. It isn't the President's job, neither Obama's nor Trump's, to say who should be given citizenship. Let the legislators do their job and if they don't, dump them.
This lack of immigration control and enforcement of laws has been going on for decades since the Reagan Amnesty. There are several business interests in our country who like it the way it is, poor immigrants working for low wages and unable to complain because they will be deported.
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It's easy to critisize Trump, Bush, Obama and congress. All have failed the dreamers. Having to apply every two years for this group of worthy Americans (de facto) was never a solution. Trump, being who he is, would accept congressional passage of a law legalizing permanently the dreamers who do not commit serious crimes for something in return. a small contribution toward the wall which will never be built. We all know the wall is a farce but if that's what it takes to end this nightmare for the dreamers- do it. The wall will never get built. Let Trump crow, the dreams continue to dream and move on. In short, a compromise. Is that a dirty word?
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This whole debate seemed to, intentionally or unintentionally made no distinction between legal and illegal immigration. Is it really that hard to have a comprehensive immigration policy? Like all the vendors selling fake designer goods on Canal street every day, glaringly illegal, is the government really that powerless to bring that under control? The term 'Dreamers' is troubling,implying what's illegal will become legal in time, so your dream will be rewarded, keep it up. Every parent has a child, every child has a parent, You can never cut the chain. Maybe this country really doesn't have the will to tackle this issue, or just too confused.
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Designer handbags don't use US taxpayer's support for schooling, housing, medical care and food.
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Illegal alien cannot be sugar-coated. It means a foreign individual entered a country without authorization. It's irrelevant if it's a child or an adult. Entering a country without authorization is illegal. This is relevant in every country in the world (i.e. China, Switzerland, Mexico, South Africa, Australia, India etc.). Why shouldn't it be relevant here?!
The parents and their kids broke the law and every single one of them should go back. They are welcome to return but stand in line like the rest of the legal immigrants.
The parents and their kids broke the law and every single one of them should go back. They are welcome to return but stand in line like the rest of the legal immigrants.
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Yeah try doing this in Mexico or just about every country on earth and see how far you get. Then demand and protest the government when they want to expel you and see what happens.
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For supporters of DACA it's easy to criticize President Trump for ending the program and sending the issue to Congress for a legislative solution. But that is precisely what should be done. Immigration policy is set by law. Laws are enacted by Congress democratically elected to represent the Will of the People. The President does not have the authority to unilaterally prevent enforcement of any law on an entire class of people. Supporters of DACA are incoherent on this issue. On the one hand they object to Presidential limits placed on immigration from Muslim countries as a violation of law but on the other hand they claim the President alone is empowered to exclude millions of people from enforcement of immigration law only because the Congress is unable to reach a consensus decision on this issue. This decision, like many others, requires consensus if we are to reach a durable resolution. Like the Affordable Care Act, any unilateral decision imposed on the Country will result in endless re-litigation depending on the ephemeral control of Congress, the Courts, the Presidency, by one Party or the Other. Congress needs to work across Partly lines, in good faith, to bridge their differences and come to a consensus decision for all of our Citizens and for those individuals affected by DACA.
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The constitutional arguments that Congress is supposed to initiate something like DACA -- not the Executive Branch -- are almost as thin as the constitutional arguments that the President may act when Congress is clearly incapable. Both are correct, but the presence of an humanitarian issue outweighs any constitutional pretexts here.
Congress, give these people green cards. States, grant state citizenship to this bulging class of potential refugees created solely by the USA's ineptitude. President, extend DACA if Congress fails to act.
This is not a separation of powers or federalism question in its essence. It is a moral crisis equivalent to the Fugitive Slave Act.
Congress, give these people green cards. States, grant state citizenship to this bulging class of potential refugees created solely by the USA's ineptitude. President, extend DACA if Congress fails to act.
This is not a separation of powers or federalism question in its essence. It is a moral crisis equivalent to the Fugitive Slave Act.
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Deport the parents who came here illegally. Deport those dreamers who have criminal records and put the rest on a waiting list for citizenship.
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Young, healthy, educated and brimming with vitality the DACA youth, if forced back to Mexico, will be the best gift that country could wish for. They could infuse the place with vigor and enthusiasm, put their technological knowledge and know-how to work and make Mexico great again.
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Trump is a cruel, heartless, soulless monster. So is Mr. Sessions and all the Republicans who support this heartless move.
Is this what America wants to be? Are we suddenly a nation that punishes hundreds of thousands of young people who were brought here as children and had no choice about their future? Does America seek to break up families and disrupt lives?
I truly hope that there are large and vocal demonstrations across the nation. I hope that there are demonstrations in front of Trump Tower and the White House.
I hope that Trump and his cronies get the message.
America! We can't tolerate this. This is not who we are. We are the nation of compassion and hope. Don't let Trump put out the light of freedom and hope that beckons the world.
Is this what America wants to be? Are we suddenly a nation that punishes hundreds of thousands of young people who were brought here as children and had no choice about their future? Does America seek to break up families and disrupt lives?
I truly hope that there are large and vocal demonstrations across the nation. I hope that there are demonstrations in front of Trump Tower and the White House.
I hope that Trump and his cronies get the message.
America! We can't tolerate this. This is not who we are. We are the nation of compassion and hope. Don't let Trump put out the light of freedom and hope that beckons the world.
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Trump pulled a "I washed my hands" fast one. Actually Obama did the same thing - he "passed the buck."
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Mr Sessions views having been shaped by the loss of poultry jobs in Alabama to illegal immigrants and the American worker needing compassion sounds reasonable but...the real CULPRIT in this debacle is the American EMPLOYER!!.No big raids on employers!!.A miniscule of employers have been prosecuted.THEY are the problem.We have met the enemy its us!!!!
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RE: 800,000 Face Hazy Future After Trump Revokes Program
Let me fix for the NYT: 800,000 Face Hazy Future After Criminal Parents Break The Law.
Viva Trump! Now illegal aliens will have to comply with law - just as US citizens must.
Let me fix for the NYT: 800,000 Face Hazy Future After Criminal Parents Break The Law.
Viva Trump! Now illegal aliens will have to comply with law - just as US citizens must.
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The left always has trouble with personal responsibility. Consistent with its rejection of facts (ex., 20% of Dreamers don't graduate high school) that don't comport with liberal narratives. Just shoot the messenger.
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Trump and Sessions are both victimizing the children for the sins of others. The law is no longer Justice. The law is now a tool of hatred.
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I thought President Obama needed to step in with an Executive Order when the Republican Congress wouldn’t. Primarily, because of children sent here alone by Mexican parents held up in shelters with other immigrants, possibly criminals, who might take advantage of the children.
I think that Republican top leadership in the House and Senate may have not wanted to pass any immigration reform in their co-contribution interest of the corporate food and agricultural industry not wanting to be required to pay immigrants more if they became legal U.S. Citizens. It may be that the rest of the Republican Elect, like then Senator, Sessions, bought top party leaders corporate-cover that they were not voting on any reform just out of their party’s hostile politics and own party division.
The GOP then appeared to appease the minority-judgmental of their party while inferring that their party’s leadership was held hostage by them. Donald Trump took advantage of the political hostility the GOP created to campaign on.
Lobbyists may have told McConnell and then, former Speaker Boehner, as well, that the price of food would go up nationwide if they lost their cheap-labor from immigration, when their corporations labor cost percentage increase would cut in to their huge profits. Like some Trump supporters, wanting to believe Trump’s empty promises to build on hostile agenda’s, McConnell and Boehner wanted to believe the lobbyists to rationalize accepting even more money from them.
I think that Republican top leadership in the House and Senate may have not wanted to pass any immigration reform in their co-contribution interest of the corporate food and agricultural industry not wanting to be required to pay immigrants more if they became legal U.S. Citizens. It may be that the rest of the Republican Elect, like then Senator, Sessions, bought top party leaders corporate-cover that they were not voting on any reform just out of their party’s hostile politics and own party division.
The GOP then appeared to appease the minority-judgmental of their party while inferring that their party’s leadership was held hostage by them. Donald Trump took advantage of the political hostility the GOP created to campaign on.
Lobbyists may have told McConnell and then, former Speaker Boehner, as well, that the price of food would go up nationwide if they lost their cheap-labor from immigration, when their corporations labor cost percentage increase would cut in to their huge profits. Like some Trump supporters, wanting to believe Trump’s empty promises to build on hostile agenda’s, McConnell and Boehner wanted to believe the lobbyists to rationalize accepting even more money from them.
It's a sad and heart wrenching prospect that people may have to upend their lives because their parents failed to follow the law. However, as Obama said, we are a nation of laws.
Constitutionally, legislation is introduced by Congress and if passed becomes law when signed by the President. The President by himself CANNOT decide to enact law or not enforce laws on the books. Obama's executive order was not legal. During Obama's two terms, Congress had the opportunity to enact or change existing laws, but they didn't. Trump is just trying to bring the situation back under the Constitution.
Constitutionally, legislation is introduced by Congress and if passed becomes law when signed by the President. The President by himself CANNOT decide to enact law or not enforce laws on the books. Obama's executive order was not legal. During Obama's two terms, Congress had the opportunity to enact or change existing laws, but they didn't. Trump is just trying to bring the situation back under the Constitution.
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At a news conference in June, 2012, President Obama stated clearly that DACA was a temporary fix to give time for Congress to act. Laws are instituted by Congress, not the President, and he acknowledged that. So, President Trump is doing nothing more than allowing it to lapse as was President Obama's intent.
The blame for not having a DACA law should be placed solely at the feet of Congress. In 2011, Democrats held the all the cards and could have done something, but they chose not to. Today, instead of wringing their hands and blaming President Trump, they could just do what they want, but they would rather take photo ops and do nothing. Typical Congress, don't you think?
The blame for not having a DACA law should be placed solely at the feet of Congress. In 2011, Democrats held the all the cards and could have done something, but they chose not to. Today, instead of wringing their hands and blaming President Trump, they could just do what they want, but they would rather take photo ops and do nothing. Typical Congress, don't you think?
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The focus is on Trump, of course. It should be noted that DACA's constitutional authority is subject to interpretation by the courts. Trump is right that it is possible the courts could rule it unconstitutional. Because of the emotions involved, for good reason I might add, Trump is crucified. Whilst I detest him as president as much as anyone can this is like getting mad at the waiter for the way your food was prepared after the waiter tells you he gave the correct order and instructions to the cook and served the prepared meal on time. The anger is directed at the wrong party.
This is and always has been a job for congress. Just like Trump congress was elected also. If you don't like the policy vilify congress, it is their responsibility. This is a prime opportunity for the body as a whole to show that when push comes to shove they can do the right thing, or that they are emblematic of Trumps worst traits and not better whatsoever.
This is and always has been a job for congress. Just like Trump congress was elected also. If you don't like the policy vilify congress, it is their responsibility. This is a prime opportunity for the body as a whole to show that when push comes to shove they can do the right thing, or that they are emblematic of Trumps worst traits and not better whatsoever.
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The USA is supposed to be a country of laws.
We need to impeach Trump. On any one of dozens of issues. His economic conflict of interests comprise at leas 3 or 4 of those issues.
We need to impeach Trump. On any one of dozens of issues. His economic conflict of interests comprise at leas 3 or 4 of those issues.
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You do realize that DACA is most likely against the law, right? And that the so-called Dreamers are here illegally, right? Your comment is a bit rich.
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In fact, calls for impeaching Trump demonstrate an ignorance of, and lack of, respect for elections and laws. Ironic since those calling the loudest for impeachment are the first ones to complain when they believe a voter's right is infringed upon.
Once again, this is why liberals have lost so much respect.
Once again, this is why liberals have lost so much respect.
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What Attorney General Sessions said was perfect: “Societies where the rule of law is subject to political whims and personal biases tend to become societies afflicted by corruption, poverty, and human suffering.”
That is, it's the perfect response to Trump's pardon of a racist sheriff whose contempt for the law was literally criminal.
For the perfect response concerning DACA, I think Huckabee-Sanders nailed it: If Congress can't take care of it, “they should get out of the way and let someone else do it.” That's right, Congress, if you don't pass the DREAM act, the President will take executive action. Oh wait, that already happened, and that's why we have DACA in the first place…
That is, it's the perfect response to Trump's pardon of a racist sheriff whose contempt for the law was literally criminal.
For the perfect response concerning DACA, I think Huckabee-Sanders nailed it: If Congress can't take care of it, “they should get out of the way and let someone else do it.” That's right, Congress, if you don't pass the DREAM act, the President will take executive action. Oh wait, that already happened, and that's why we have DACA in the first place…
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Why are we allowing the Far-Right wing to influence this President into making laws that the majority of the Country totally disagrees with...Sessions, Miller....these people are extremists, and the country is going to continue to suffer until the extremists are removed from advising him.
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The fact that there are people who are outraged over President Trump's ending of the DACA program outrages me. These people broke the law when they entered our country illegally and deliberately disrespected our laws. How infuriating is that? What is there not to understand? They should be held accountable and pay the price for their criminal acts which they are. They should never have been allowed to enter in the first place.
They should apply for citizenship legally and then we will welcome them with open arms. We are a land of immigrants but they must follow our rules. This is how it is done in the United States of America.
They should apply for citizenship legally and then we will welcome them with open arms. We are a land of immigrants but they must follow our rules. This is how it is done in the United States of America.
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Speaking of criminal acts: Funny, but last time I checked it was illegal for an attorney general to lie under oath.
And if you're going to claim that former President Obama - someone who knows a lot more about constitutional law than trump, his fans, and Sessions put together - enacting DACA was "illegal" then show me the Supreme Court decision that struck it down when your boys took it to the Supreme Court. It was upheld.
Just who is and who isn't following the rules here, WMK. Last time I checked, white supremacist rhetoric doesn't "rule" this country.
And if you're going to claim that former President Obama - someone who knows a lot more about constitutional law than trump, his fans, and Sessions put together - enacting DACA was "illegal" then show me the Supreme Court decision that struck it down when your boys took it to the Supreme Court. It was upheld.
Just who is and who isn't following the rules here, WMK. Last time I checked, white supremacist rhetoric doesn't "rule" this country.
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Rule of law President Trump? Let's see the evidence:
- Circumvent the legal process and pardon Joe Arpaio who has been found GUILTY in a court of law
- Pull the rug out from 800,000 young people who are personally guilty of nothing - in fact working, hard, going to school, staying out of trouble is a requirement of DACA
There is no rule of law under this horrible person!
- Circumvent the legal process and pardon Joe Arpaio who has been found GUILTY in a court of law
- Pull the rug out from 800,000 young people who are personally guilty of nothing - in fact working, hard, going to school, staying out of trouble is a requirement of DACA
There is no rule of law under this horrible person!
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The fundamental truth is that the "Dreamers" will be better Americans than Trump will ever be. And that's a fact.
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I think we should deport Sessions since he actually DID break the law when he lied under oath.
Whether he remembers Middle Earth or not, send him back there to live with long lost cousin, Gollum.
Whether he remembers Middle Earth or not, send him back there to live with long lost cousin, Gollum.
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I wonder what would had happened to these DACA people if they illegally entered any other country in the world and then went about life like nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.
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Did these kids parents not pay for their kids' education through property taxes levied through high rents or home ownership earned at minimum wage for work their parents did to enrich developers and businesses that depended on their cheap labor in almost every working sector. If your worried about your white sons or daughters having their jobs taken by these dreamers, then fine anyone who hires an illegal $5,000. and enforce it- then you would not have to spend billions on a wall. Why don't we have a law that does that? because the republicans who make their money off illegal cheap labor would lose money and those getting their jobs would not work as hard nor be any good at them even if they wanted to do them..... end of story.
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Am I the only one who sees what just happened???? Clearly, the congress and trump agreed on this some time ago. trump "punts" and congress will do nothing and allow the act to expire. I guess detention centres will be in order for most until they are processed out of the country. Concentration camps, here they come.
DACA was a blatant attempt by Obama to add millions of Democrats to the voting rolls. He was acting like a dictator, without the proper legislative balance.
Trump is merely trying to enforce the law and let Congress decide what's best for the country.
For this he faces tirades by the can't-get-their-way Democrats.
Let Congres make the laws, not the president -- unless Decmorats want to cede that power to the White House now.
Trump is merely trying to enforce the law and let Congress decide what's best for the country.
For this he faces tirades by the can't-get-their-way Democrats.
Let Congres make the laws, not the president -- unless Decmorats want to cede that power to the White House now.
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An American born in New York arrives in France in the 50s with her first U.S. passport. She is too young and uninformed to be aware of her citizenship status. It is a tourist visa duration of stay three months and she will be traveling on holiday from school in Paris to Spain and Ireland for the next eighteen years.
Her understanding of America is limited. It is the most powerful country in the world with less tea than China, and it is composed of a population of white and black people. Slavery was abolished. There was a Civil War. The Americans came to help Europe during WWII. The End.
It is not so long after WWII and we are given a copy of Anne Frank to read by the teachers, while I start a collection of American literature on the side. Huckleberry Finn is forgotten, but with an open if unformed mind, she devours without assimilating Uncle Tom's Cabin and everything that is placed in front of her, including the writings of Hitler which an English classmate gives her and these go into the bin.
Fast-forward when life is becoming more unpredictable and interesting, if daunting. Had I known that America was showing signs of Fascism, I would not have returned to The Land of the Free which makes it Exceptional.
An African friend is coming in from her Country, another from Germany, both with a Love for America, and I know they are calling about 'The Dreamers'.
There is nothing but to listen and report that what this Administration is doing is 'Damning'.
Her understanding of America is limited. It is the most powerful country in the world with less tea than China, and it is composed of a population of white and black people. Slavery was abolished. There was a Civil War. The Americans came to help Europe during WWII. The End.
It is not so long after WWII and we are given a copy of Anne Frank to read by the teachers, while I start a collection of American literature on the side. Huckleberry Finn is forgotten, but with an open if unformed mind, she devours without assimilating Uncle Tom's Cabin and everything that is placed in front of her, including the writings of Hitler which an English classmate gives her and these go into the bin.
Fast-forward when life is becoming more unpredictable and interesting, if daunting. Had I known that America was showing signs of Fascism, I would not have returned to The Land of the Free which makes it Exceptional.
An African friend is coming in from her Country, another from Germany, both with a Love for America, and I know they are calling about 'The Dreamers'.
There is nothing but to listen and report that what this Administration is doing is 'Damning'.
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, America's steadfast bearer of the white man's burden and the constitution's bulwark against presidential overreach, did get something right on Tuesday when he gleefully drove a dagger into Barack Obama's program for dreamers.
In announcing his verdict, the attorney general said of Obama's order, "It also denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same illegal aliens to take those jobs."
That's right. Those illegal aliens have been taking jobs in the United States. And just who has been hiring these aliens? The very true-blue Americans who put Sessions and the current occupant of the Oval Office into the positions of power that they hold today. Obviously, there can be no supply without demand. And there will be no crackdown on these Make-America-Great lawbreakers as long as Sessions is bearing their burden so faithfully.
In announcing his verdict, the attorney general said of Obama's order, "It also denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same illegal aliens to take those jobs."
That's right. Those illegal aliens have been taking jobs in the United States. And just who has been hiring these aliens? The very true-blue Americans who put Sessions and the current occupant of the Oval Office into the positions of power that they hold today. Obviously, there can be no supply without demand. And there will be no crackdown on these Make-America-Great lawbreakers as long as Sessions is bearing their burden so faithfully.
“Enforcing the law saves lives, protects communities and taxpayers, and prevents human suffering,” Mr. Sessions said.
So would enforcing the Affordable Care Act, but Mr. Sessions idly stands by as taxpayer dollars are used by this Administration to undermine the ACA's Outreach Program, the Administration directs the IRS not to collect the tax penalty provided by law to enforce the individual mandate, and the Administration seeks to cut individual tax subsidies that help individual obtain the access to health care that they and their families so desperately need.
So, it's not really about "enforcing the law" as Mr. Sessions claims. It's about punishing the meek in our culture who, through no fault of their own, have been placed in politically unpopular, precarious circumstances beyond their control. This Administration continues to pursue a policy of darkness that casts a long shadow on higher American ideals to satiate a political base of small-minded vengeful citizens who, in my view, are less than "American."
So would enforcing the Affordable Care Act, but Mr. Sessions idly stands by as taxpayer dollars are used by this Administration to undermine the ACA's Outreach Program, the Administration directs the IRS not to collect the tax penalty provided by law to enforce the individual mandate, and the Administration seeks to cut individual tax subsidies that help individual obtain the access to health care that they and their families so desperately need.
So, it's not really about "enforcing the law" as Mr. Sessions claims. It's about punishing the meek in our culture who, through no fault of their own, have been placed in politically unpopular, precarious circumstances beyond their control. This Administration continues to pursue a policy of darkness that casts a long shadow on higher American ideals to satiate a political base of small-minded vengeful citizens who, in my view, are less than "American."
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“Enforcing the law saves lives, protects communities and taxpayers, and prevents human suffering,” Mr. Sessions said.
Apparently, that no longer applies to an attorney general caught lying under oath.
Apparently, that no longer applies to an attorney general caught lying under oath.
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Could the fact most, if given citizenship, would likely not be GOP voters, have something to do a GOP controlled Presidency, House, and Senate being against it? I'm surprised that no one is pointing this out. Our legislative branch is busy enacting so many voter suppression laws targeting minority voters, as well as enacting and supporting a prison system which targets minority voters, and as convicted felons, strips them of their right to vote. They are also creating grossly gerrymandered districts carving away minority voter strength. They are basically looking for any way to smother, strangle, and suppress the rising tide of minority voters and preventing them from having political power in this country. This DACA decision is just another measure of the same and is a Crime Against Humanity.
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Bulls Eye, RJ,
Also, Thief McConnell Stole the Supreme court seat from Obama's Nominee.
Nothing is beneath a No Heart Conservative as they trash democracy.
"We The People" did not vote for Trump.
Also, Thief McConnell Stole the Supreme court seat from Obama's Nominee.
Nothing is beneath a No Heart Conservative as they trash democracy.
"We The People" did not vote for Trump.
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Yesterday Donald Trump demonstrated the system is beyond rigged. The 800,000 dreamers covered by DACA turned over vital information in order to be treated fairly by the United States government; now that Trump has rescinded DACA, that information can and will be used by DHS to track them down for deportation proceedings.
Donald Trump has alleged widespread voter fraud in the 2016 election; in fact, he insists he would have won the popular vote--which he lost by nearly 3 million--had it not been for illegal voting. To prove his false charges, he has appointed a commission which is attempting to collect voter data from every Secretary of State. What does the government intend to do with the voter information it collects? Talk about scary.....
Donald Trump has alleged widespread voter fraud in the 2016 election; in fact, he insists he would have won the popular vote--which he lost by nearly 3 million--had it not been for illegal voting. To prove his false charges, he has appointed a commission which is attempting to collect voter data from every Secretary of State. What does the government intend to do with the voter information it collects? Talk about scary.....
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Obama put the 800,000 in jeopardy by not adhering to the legislative process. Obama choose to govern by fiat, if he did not like a law he issued an executive order. Essentially, let the next guy fix the problem. Trump rightly put the issue where it belonged with Congress. Obama created DACA which was not enforceable. Put the blame where it rightly belongs!
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When will people learn that CONGRESS MAKES LAW, not the President by EO. Congress passes a law, sends it to the President for signature where it becomes law, if he doesn't sign it it is not law. When Obama used an EO to enact DACA it was illegal/unconstitutional.
I agree that children should not be held liable for the actions of their parents, but their is a right way to show compassion for these children who are now young adults and it is with Congressional action as it should have been done n the past. But Congress is more concerned with protecting their job and pleasing the voter not in doing what is right when it needs to be done.
I agree that children should not be held liable for the actions of their parents, but their is a right way to show compassion for these children who are now young adults and it is with Congressional action as it should have been done n the past. But Congress is more concerned with protecting their job and pleasing the voter not in doing what is right when it needs to be done.
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DACA was not law — it was a policy directive concerning enforcement priorities with respect to a group of people who met a very specific set of criteria. And such policy directives are well within the constitutional scope of presidential authority.
To read the reports, Trump is going to round up all the dreamers today and ship all 800,000 out the next day.That isn't even close. He has shown the fallacy in the Dreamer program. If it can be started on the command of one person and it can be ended by one person. Immigration laws should be the responsibility of congress. But they have been a failure. Obama started this because of their inactivation. But he should not have had to do that. He let Congress off the hook. Trump has said this time there won't be any hook removal. Six months should be plenty of time.. If they come up with a bipartisan comprehensive program, Trump will sign the bill. There are plenty in congress who want to work on this. The biggest threat in congress is that the leadership of both sides is a failure when it comes to working together to solve problems. They would rather make sound bites than do what they were sent to Washington to do. In this case, to make sure in the future no one person can start or end such an important program.
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Thank you President5 Trump. The illegal executive order of President Obama needs to be attended to. Trump correctly put this "repair and replace" in the hands of Congress where it should have been in the first place. Its about time that Members of Congress - Democrats and Republicans - do their job. I am confident that these "Dreamers" will be properly addressed and given the opportunity like others to be citizens of this fine Country. Let's stop the misleading rhetoric, Trump showed the guts to do the right thing!
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Hmm......I might agree with you until your last sentence.
If trump had the guts to do this, why did he not stand in front of the cameras himself to announce his decision?
If trump had the guts to do this, why did he not stand in front of the cameras himself to announce his decision?
Trump becomes "Presidential" when he pardons and makes these immigrants citizens instead of pardoning a "contemptible" sheriff.
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Here's a plan - send the dreamers to Canada where PM Trudeau can grant Canadian citizenship to all 800,000 upon arrival, how about that?
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As usual, the Trumpian use of language is ambivalent and ambiguous to the point to being meaningless. He "loves" the DACA kids. When the President says he "loves" someone or something, we should all run for cover.
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Obama thought of himself as some of kind of monarch and granted amnesty to 800,000 people. This can only be done by Congress and not by Presidential edict. Let Congress deal with the matter. That is why there is a Constitution out there. If you get deported that is your problem and not mine.
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Another quote, worthy of consideration:
“Take all men as your brothers; all women as your sisters; and all children as your sons and daughters.”
― Matshona Dhliwayo
“Take all men as your brothers; all women as your sisters; and all children as your sons and daughters.”
― Matshona Dhliwayo
I can agree with the quote and still believe that illegal aliens should be deported.
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DACA will get done, it is a bargaining chip. What will Dems trade votes on?
DAPA is the problem: Once DACA is done, & the children get "lawful green card status" under DAPA the parents can apply to stay in the USA legally. http://iamerica.org/do-i-qualify-for-dap This is de facto "chain immigration" and REWARDS the illegal immigrants who brought their children. Making the case for the illegal immigrants was too tough, getting them in by using the more sympathetic “children's” (adults) cause works.
This is a variation on the “anchor baby” theme.
DACA should NEVER be a gateway to reward illegal immigrants under DAPA. Period.
Part of the package should include paying back taxes and penalties before getting status. Period.
44 created a morass in governing by fiat; not allowing law to be our foundation, but his “better judgement.” This is the mess we have to clean up. POTUS is ending the twilight zone created by 44 and charging Congress with making a law-forged by a representative democracy-that is constitutionally sound. It is jarring to have your false hope exposed for what it was, a 44 illusion, by POTUS, but the promise of REAL change by law is at hand.
44 got a lot of money & influence from California (20% of all 2012 contributions: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/geog.php?cycle=2012&id=n00009638 ) and the vast majority of DACA /DAPA beneficiaries stoke the Cali economy ( https://nyti.ms/2xN3tIu ). Let us have a law that is good for the WHOLE country and not just for Cali.
DAPA is the problem: Once DACA is done, & the children get "lawful green card status" under DAPA the parents can apply to stay in the USA legally. http://iamerica.org/do-i-qualify-for-dap This is de facto "chain immigration" and REWARDS the illegal immigrants who brought their children. Making the case for the illegal immigrants was too tough, getting them in by using the more sympathetic “children's” (adults) cause works.
This is a variation on the “anchor baby” theme.
DACA should NEVER be a gateway to reward illegal immigrants under DAPA. Period.
Part of the package should include paying back taxes and penalties before getting status. Period.
44 created a morass in governing by fiat; not allowing law to be our foundation, but his “better judgement.” This is the mess we have to clean up. POTUS is ending the twilight zone created by 44 and charging Congress with making a law-forged by a representative democracy-that is constitutionally sound. It is jarring to have your false hope exposed for what it was, a 44 illusion, by POTUS, but the promise of REAL change by law is at hand.
44 got a lot of money & influence from California (20% of all 2012 contributions: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/geog.php?cycle=2012&id=n00009638 ) and the vast majority of DACA /DAPA beneficiaries stoke the Cali economy ( https://nyti.ms/2xN3tIu ). Let us have a law that is good for the WHOLE country and not just for Cali.
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What about all the illegal Europeans? Those who come here and overstay their visas. Thousands of Irish alone between New York and Boston. Oh wait, their skin is white.
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And supported by the liberal Icon Teddy Kennedy, which is how you got the "Diversity Lottery" in the first place.
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I don t care what country you are from ... if you don t belong here and not a citizen GO HOME ... America no vacancy
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The dreamers are white too.
Call it what it is. DACA was and is another illegal alien amnesty. No mas.
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Let us put the onus where it belongs--on the GOP. During the Obama administration, the US Senate passed comprehensive immigration reform that included a provision to protect the Dreamers. The legislation went to the House of Representatives where Speaker Boehner would not bring the legislation to the floor because of the Hastert Rule that says legislation only comes to the floor when it has a majority of the majority votes. (We will skip the part about Hastert's subsequent legal trouble.)
There were enough votes in the House of Representatives to pass the legislation with Democrats and moderate Republicans. But, the GOP did not want a solution, they wanted the issue. After that fiasco, President Obama issued DACA as an executive order.
Now here we are with a minority president, ignorant of policy and the way legislation gets done in Washington, having come into office on a wave of racism and xenophobia asking Congress to do what it ought to have done years ago. Will he hold the Dreamers hostage to funding for an ill-conceived wall that he promised Mexico would pay for?
In 2018, it is imperative that We the People give control of Congress to the Democrats.
We get the government we deserve.
There were enough votes in the House of Representatives to pass the legislation with Democrats and moderate Republicans. But, the GOP did not want a solution, they wanted the issue. After that fiasco, President Obama issued DACA as an executive order.
Now here we are with a minority president, ignorant of policy and the way legislation gets done in Washington, having come into office on a wave of racism and xenophobia asking Congress to do what it ought to have done years ago. Will he hold the Dreamers hostage to funding for an ill-conceived wall that he promised Mexico would pay for?
In 2018, it is imperative that We the People give control of Congress to the Democrats.
We get the government we deserve.
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The onus, every bit of it, is on the people who broke the law. It is they who put their kids. and us, in this position. With probably very few exceptions, U.S taxpayers paid for their education and health care.
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Once again, all Mr. Trump has done is to create confusion, uncertainty, and rancor through his words and actions. His is the single most dysfunctional White Hoyse administration in modern times. There are no guiding principles behind anything he says or does, other than to bolster his ego and pander to those who have enabled him.
What will really happen to DACA families after all is said and done? God only knows, because Trump's words are as empty as is his soul. The one certainty in all of this is that the United States will once again be the loser as a result of the actions of this untethered and petulant egomaniac.
What will really happen to DACA families after all is said and done? God only knows, because Trump's words are as empty as is his soul. The one certainty in all of this is that the United States will once again be the loser as a result of the actions of this untethered and petulant egomaniac.
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No confusion if you don t belong here legally GO BACK HOME
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Entering the country without proper documentation and "working hard" is not a legal means to naturalization. The U.S. cannot accept every migrant who wants to create a better life and these 800,000 should not be given priority due to geographical proximity. Trump has betrayed yet another campaign pledge by not issuing an executive order for their deportation. At what point will this country be overpopulated? We're barreling toward 400M, yet the politically correct are quick to forget their environmental bona fides for this one issue.
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How about dealing with overpopulation by sending out those who don't contribute to the GDP? Immigrants outperform people from here ( at least the ones that have been here a few generations ) any day of the week. Aside from that: Dreamers are not immigrants.
They would do well in Canada, and we would welcome these healthy, well-educated and motivated new citizens.
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Excellent. Please start reaching out so they can all cross the border before March 6, 2018.
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This push to end DACA brings two quotes to mind, both by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.
1). "The age of nations has passed. Now, unless we wish to perish, we must shake off our old prejudices and build the Earth."
2). "We are one, after all, you and I, together we suffer, together exist and forever will recreate each other."
I cry, secretly, for our beautiful sisters and brothers from other lands whose lives and dreams may be shattered now. Shame on you Donald J. Trump.
If we wish to survive, and this applies to all countries, we shall need to replace nationalism with global patriotism. Nothing less will do.
1). "The age of nations has passed. Now, unless we wish to perish, we must shake off our old prejudices and build the Earth."
2). "We are one, after all, you and I, together we suffer, together exist and forever will recreate each other."
I cry, secretly, for our beautiful sisters and brothers from other lands whose lives and dreams may be shattered now. Shame on you Donald J. Trump.
If we wish to survive, and this applies to all countries, we shall need to replace nationalism with global patriotism. Nothing less will do.
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800,000 potential Democratic voters taken off the voter rolls. This was not all Trump's idea. And you know that the Republican congress won't fix it.
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While Irma is looming on Miami's horizon, my daughters came home crying over the fate of several kids that are in their specialized high school. this despicable decision affects an entire generation not just 800,000 young people! Shame on Trump and his cronies.
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Those children did not deliberately break the law and are being tormented because their parents did. It's a new threshold that should alarm everyone.
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It is astonishing. It is astonishing that the President and his crony attorney general calls the withdraw of DACA as a move out of respect of rule of law. That is just a lie.
When has this administration ever truly given an ounce of respect towards the rule of law. Furthermore, DACA is a perfectly legal program set up by the former executive branch. The legal system is never perfect. Laws are rules that society creates. Not every law is always just, and not every just is always a law.
He is simply fulfilling his campaign promise, his promise of deporting every undocumented citizen. ICE has accelerated the deportation of everyone who fits into that criteria. There is no more prioritization of deportees based on criminal records or years of living. DACA is a pocket of that criteria, however grey it may be.
Bonus points come as he shares that finally push of the eject button with Congress. Given that Congress never passed DACA, he knows well that it will fail. This is a deception. To say that he had to respect the law, and pushes the responsibility on Congress, and yet still able to deport people.
Since Day One of his inauguration, he has declared a silent war, a war on all minorities and their rights. He banned Muslims from entering. He banned trans people from the service. He is now going after undocumented people. Given the full on incompetence of the Republican controlled congress, it is unlikely they will support DACA. It is every man for themselves.
When has this administration ever truly given an ounce of respect towards the rule of law. Furthermore, DACA is a perfectly legal program set up by the former executive branch. The legal system is never perfect. Laws are rules that society creates. Not every law is always just, and not every just is always a law.
He is simply fulfilling his campaign promise, his promise of deporting every undocumented citizen. ICE has accelerated the deportation of everyone who fits into that criteria. There is no more prioritization of deportees based on criminal records or years of living. DACA is a pocket of that criteria, however grey it may be.
Bonus points come as he shares that finally push of the eject button with Congress. Given that Congress never passed DACA, he knows well that it will fail. This is a deception. To say that he had to respect the law, and pushes the responsibility on Congress, and yet still able to deport people.
Since Day One of his inauguration, he has declared a silent war, a war on all minorities and their rights. He banned Muslims from entering. He banned trans people from the service. He is now going after undocumented people. Given the full on incompetence of the Republican controlled congress, it is unlikely they will support DACA. It is every man for themselves.
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It is real simple congress needs to sit down compromise and pass a bill.Wow what a concept.Do not blame Trump or any other president for this ineptitude on both sides.
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Require the dreamers to either serve two years in our armed forces or serve two years in a peace Corp type of service, in the US or overseas. After serving their two years they can receive a green card and a path to citizenship.
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Nope. Not an option. Go back to their country of origin and apply for re-entry first.
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Let's see these outraged millennials and others flock to the polls in droves in 2018....vote as if you mean it, not for some flaky 3rd party candidate just so you can moralize.
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Trump must feed the racist element of his base even if it makes him look more clueless. On one hand he says he loves the Dreamers and on the other he gives them 6 months to leave the country. He says Obama's order was illegal but then says if congress fails to act in 6 months he will. So in short he is saying if congress fails to act he will do an Obama like order which he says is illegal. Trump has a racist base that needs to be regularly feed and Trump never fails to feed them. The giddy look on Sessions face when he was announcing the end of the Dream Act was telling. While Sessions was explaining that we are a country of laws he must have forgotten his boss pardoned Arpaio last week. Tough talking Trump has shown that he is mostly talk and no actions. I know people who tell you how terrible Trump is but if the election was held tomorrow they would hold their nose and vote for him again. Maybe it is time we stop looking at Trump and start looking at ourselves. Sixty three million people voted for Trump knowing who he was?
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Deport 800,000 young adults brought here as babies and children who know only America, and so are "American-ish", to the countries or origin of their parents and we may have created a cohort of revenge seekers in the form of terrorists. These kids, many well educated and talented, know America, her strengths, her weaknesses and her vulnerable points. So "uphold the law", Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, just like you'll get people holding a little pot back in prison for years, and see what consequences you and your boss have wrought. Stop your messing around, Congress, and pass the already-introduced Dream Act of 2017.
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Does the phrase "basket of deplorables" seem not only nothing to be apologized for but more than apt?
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When it come to DACA, I remember the "duck test"? If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. With DACA it is the citizen test. If they act like an American, speak like an American, work hard like an American, then they are American. That's what we see in the highly-vetted DACA recipients. They are, in every way, citizens with the sole exception that white nationalists don't want to do the right thing and grant them the citizenship they've clearly earned. As the son of immigrants who fled religious persecution, I, too, would have been a DACA child if such neo-fascist racism that seeks to deny citizenship to people of color, Jews, and earlier (during the Coolidge Administration) even Catholics. This is wrong--both morally and legally. I am willing to resist, to make my home a sanctuary, and even, if possible, adopt a DACA young adult if that's what it takes to fight back against the white nationalist agenda of the Trump Administration. I have uncles who fought and died to defeat just such policies when I was a child in World War II. We must honor those and the shining light they embraced and work once again to defeat the dark shadow of racism that is being cast across the land.
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Do you then agree that we should extend the same opportunity to nonimmigrant children who are here legally with their parents?
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He has appealed to his base of angry white males. So conservatives love this move; that is the main reason they voted for him.
Stay informed voters. Pay attention to what he does, not what he says. He has shown you who he really is. Vote progressive in all local, state and federal elections.
Stay informed voters. Pay attention to what he does, not what he says. He has shown you who he really is. Vote progressive in all local, state and federal elections.
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DACA is a back door stopgap, not a solution.
As distasteful as it sounds, ending it would help reduce the illegal inflow of children across the border with or without their parents.
As distasteful as it sounds, ending it would help reduce the illegal inflow of children across the border with or without their parents.
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Will Congress please remove this buffoon from the WH? I'm not even convinced he's legitimate. DT has only 3 guiding principles in his decision making process a.) will it undo something Obama did? b.) will it energize his deplorable base?, and c.) will it cause such an uproar that it constantly keeps the focus on him? Then months later, "nah, just kidding". When he can't accomplish what he says, he finds a scapegoat. He is indeed a deplorable man, and a major disgrace to this country. He generates a lot of publicity, but doesn't actually accomplish anything. His foreign policy is totally incoherent.
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"There are two sides of a story"? Is that anything like there was blame on "both sides"? What in the world is wrong with this Trump. This is the way people who are ignorant cowards proceed. They attempt both sides of an issue for the sake of expedience. This way they can be on the side of whatever person or group they are addressing at the moment. Of course the draw back is they have no foundation of their own and are susceptible to manipulation and/or worse.
It is a sad revelation that even supposedly smart people like Mark Zickerberg cannot grasp that we are a country of laws. DACA was an illegal edict by Obama and that without fixing it through congress, as should have been done before Obama left office, all the dreamers will need to be deported.
Then we hear stories of Facebook shutting down pages of people and organizations that it deems "haters" so I guess we can figure out that Mark thinks that he is the law.
Then we hear stories of Facebook shutting down pages of people and organizations that it deems "haters" so I guess we can figure out that Mark thinks that he is the law.
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Zuckerberg's opinion should be taken with a grain of salt. He and other business leaders like him benefit greatly from inexpensive services, for which their companies now "contract" to avoid the expense of benefits and salaries.
When Zuckerberg and others put these individuals on their payrolls and pay fully for their services -- just the way American taxpayers pay for them -- we should consider his input.
When Zuckerberg and others put these individuals on their payrolls and pay fully for their services -- just the way American taxpayers pay for them -- we should consider his input.
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On NPR I read this morning:
"Obama executive action called DAPA, or Deferred Action for Parents of Americans. (Announced in November 2014, DAPA would have expanded DACA protections to certain undocumented parents whose children are legal residents or citizens of the U.S.) "
Wow!
"Obama executive action called DAPA, or Deferred Action for Parents of Americans. (Announced in November 2014, DAPA would have expanded DACA protections to certain undocumented parents whose children are legal residents or citizens of the U.S.) "
Wow!
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The next EO would no doubt have offered protection to any illegal alien not covered by DACA and DAPA. I am glad Obama is no longer president.
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Jeff Sessions gave up the influence and power that goes with being a United States Senator to become the hatchet man for a clown. There is nothing too derisive to say about these two guys with very small hands.
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Trump granted a pardon to a sleaze bucket who used his position to continually abuse the constitutional rights of thousands of individuals, These DACA recipients are law abiding people, professionals or students, hard workers, including some who serve in the armed forces.
He could have easily granted them a presidential pardon for having entered the country illegally (by the way, that is not a criminal offense). The president, however, lacks the moral integrity or courage to do what was right in the face of opposition from a minority in his base, and be accused of granting amnesty to such "illegal aliens" as labeled by Sessions., people who "steal jobs" from law abiding americans; in other words, they have not been hired by companies or accepted into schools for their hard work and merits. There is a US Congressman who was brought in illegally as a child; according to Sessions theories, one must wonder in what devious illegal manner he was elected.
The president is a pathetic human being who only cares about his hide, his money and his possessions.
I wonder how he will react if Mother Nature, as represented by the furious Lady Irma, destroys his Palace at Mar a Lago.
He could have easily granted them a presidential pardon for having entered the country illegally (by the way, that is not a criminal offense). The president, however, lacks the moral integrity or courage to do what was right in the face of opposition from a minority in his base, and be accused of granting amnesty to such "illegal aliens" as labeled by Sessions., people who "steal jobs" from law abiding americans; in other words, they have not been hired by companies or accepted into schools for their hard work and merits. There is a US Congressman who was brought in illegally as a child; according to Sessions theories, one must wonder in what devious illegal manner he was elected.
The president is a pathetic human being who only cares about his hide, his money and his possessions.
I wonder how he will react if Mother Nature, as represented by the furious Lady Irma, destroys his Palace at Mar a Lago.
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Stop trying to make a human rights issue out of ILLEGAL immigration. The NY Times always fails to include the word ILLEGAL in its emotional editorials.
What Obama did with DACA was illegal...don't blame Trump, if Congress wants to protect the undocumented people, it will.
What Obama did with DACA was illegal...don't blame Trump, if Congress wants to protect the undocumented people, it will.
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This is a lever to get massive amount of our tax money to build the wall Trump wants so badly. A wall that will not work. Can't wait for the next Harvey to flood and send debris against a structure. Oh, and destroy the Santa Ana Wildlife Reserve. Trump hates non white people and animals as do Pruitt and Sessions.
And with climate change barreling down on us, Korea developing a nuclear arsenal, income inequality, and a country in need of health care for all who does this little man go after? Patriotic Americans who are not white.
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Pack your bags, kiddos!
There's a better change of Congress funding Trump's Wall then there is of you getting a reprieve!
There's a better change of Congress funding Trump's Wall then there is of you getting a reprieve!
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And yet again, we see trump for what he is: A Liar.
He claims to have 'great heart' when it comes to DACA's .....right up until he throws them out of the country.
White House Armature Hour Continues.
He claims to have 'great heart' when it comes to DACA's .....right up until he throws them out of the country.
White House Armature Hour Continues.
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The public opinion polls for quite some times have been reporting that : overwhelming majority of Americans favor the Dreamers i. .e., 800,000 registered under DACA for granting permanent resident status . This program should be granted under immigration reforms by Congress sooner than later . Any one in the Trump Administration and Congress with heart , conscience and economic considerations if any would be opposed to DACA at this time , i. e. , unbelievable . They should think about their parents, grandparents and family members ' hardships on arrival as immigrants decades ago without security checks . The announcement by AG Sessions has created a huge challenge . A World now wonders about our value and family system , moral standards , humane decency as Americans . In the aftermath of continuing chaos and disarray in the Administration , that has adversely impacted upon relations with our allies and friendly Countries . What do you think ?
It is imperative for power to shift from the executive to legislative branch.
As such, we should all welcome Trump’s DACA approach as a restoration of Congressional authority. Whatever Congress decides, if anything, is fine. And the inability to reach a decision is a decision in itself. It means that there is insufficient support to change the law, so the existing law must prevail in the meantime.
Does anyone really want to give President Trump or any future president the ability to only selectively enforce tax, environmental, worker safety, and other laws simply because Congress is gridlocked on his/her preferred solution?
As such, we should all welcome Trump’s DACA approach as a restoration of Congressional authority. Whatever Congress decides, if anything, is fine. And the inability to reach a decision is a decision in itself. It means that there is insufficient support to change the law, so the existing law must prevail in the meantime.
Does anyone really want to give President Trump or any future president the ability to only selectively enforce tax, environmental, worker safety, and other laws simply because Congress is gridlocked on his/her preferred solution?
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Congress will remain a black hole of idiocy for as long as states continue to elect traitors to sabotage the federal government to deny equal protection of the law.
No, Steve, hopefully we shall see Congress operate again without an ideologue interfering. This is a very different situation under Trump. He's not insisting on an outcome based on an ideology or his own political fortunes, as Obama clearly did. He's just asking for solutions from either or both parties.
"Not a politician" is a benefit here.
"Not a politician" is a benefit here.
Having nothing in the cupboard but tax cuts for the wealthy and social safety-net roll-backs for the disadvantaged it's little wonder conservatives spend most of their time dismantling, hiding and obfuscating the efforts of their betters.
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You'd think people who pass laws would realize they shouldn't upset people unnecessarily.
Why, pray tell, didn't President Trump announce he wanted congress to formally pass some sort of law to replace DACA instead of cancelling it and telling congress it had six months to do something about it?
The first course would probably have led to some concern. But those covered by DACA would (for now) know the program is ongoing until congress replaced it.
The second course leaves open the possibility congress will be unable to do anything and the program will simply disappear.
It sort of sounds like the "Repeal, then Replace" for Obama Care.
And as for all those having the rug pulled out from under them, do you really think they're going to spend much time listening the next time the government offers them anything?
SAD!
Why, pray tell, didn't President Trump announce he wanted congress to formally pass some sort of law to replace DACA instead of cancelling it and telling congress it had six months to do something about it?
The first course would probably have led to some concern. But those covered by DACA would (for now) know the program is ongoing until congress replaced it.
The second course leaves open the possibility congress will be unable to do anything and the program will simply disappear.
It sort of sounds like the "Repeal, then Replace" for Obama Care.
And as for all those having the rug pulled out from under them, do you really think they're going to spend much time listening the next time the government offers them anything?
SAD!
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TRUMP Insists on pushing toward the total collapse of his faied presidency by ending the Dream Act. By definition, an Executive Order is legal. The GOPpers had 4 years to come up with a new plan during Obama's second term. But ever the Party to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity (a characteristic attributed by Henry Kissinger of the late monster Yasir Arafat), the GOPpers frittered away its legislative and governing responsibilities by engaging in a civil war that has only increased in its polarization and rigidity of the party. Many will find themselves on the wrong side of history in 11/2018. Trump will most likely no longer be on the scene, given Mueller's investigation of alleged money laundering under State laws initiated by the Attorney General of the State of New York. The unceremonious, nasty end of the DACA will haunt the GOP and antagonize groups who support those helped by DACA to be certain to register and then to show up on election day, or beforehand in States where that is possible, to vote out the executioners of The American Dream.
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I am a liberal and I believe children brought here illegally should have a path to citizenship. Moreover legal residency should be made available to a large part of the undocumented people already in the country (excluding criminals for instance).
At the same time, illegal immigration should be greatly restricted, as should be the opportunities for work without legal status. Restricting illegal immigration means of course strengthening borders but it also means guestworker programs (where residency is temporary and linked to work and where legal protections, minimum wages, and benefits are guaranteed). A New Zealand an Australia style working-holiday program would be fantastic too.
At the same time, illegal immigration should be greatly restricted, as should be the opportunities for work without legal status. Restricting illegal immigration means of course strengthening borders but it also means guestworker programs (where residency is temporary and linked to work and where legal protections, minimum wages, and benefits are guaranteed). A New Zealand an Australia style working-holiday program would be fantastic too.
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Dreamers by definition have lived in the US since June of 2007.
They are part of the five million undocumenteds who arrived under the GW Bush administration. That was when the law against employers hiring undocumenteds was no longer enforced, allowing a lot of cheap labor to arrive who wouldn't dare unionize,
How does the public forget that this is a problem created by Republicans in the first place, and worsened by a Republican congress who would not pass a reasonable, humane law during Obama's adminstration?
And why isn't every story about them, including in the NY Times, reminding everyone of the original source?
They are part of the five million undocumenteds who arrived under the GW Bush administration. That was when the law against employers hiring undocumenteds was no longer enforced, allowing a lot of cheap labor to arrive who wouldn't dare unionize,
How does the public forget that this is a problem created by Republicans in the first place, and worsened by a Republican congress who would not pass a reasonable, humane law during Obama's adminstration?
And why isn't every story about them, including in the NY Times, reminding everyone of the original source?
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The gig is up. Facing reality is tough. Start packing and booking your (and your parent's) tickets for the trip south. Then reapply to re-enter our country from there.
The enforcement of our immigration laws should be respected and Trump is sending a signal to those even thinking of coming here. Also to those who freely came here without any repercussions for many decades. No mas.
The enforcement of our immigration laws should be respected and Trump is sending a signal to those even thinking of coming here. Also to those who freely came here without any repercussions for many decades. No mas.
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Base. In every sense of the word.
Congress will never fix this, at least not while Republicans are running the show.
Trump simply passed the "buck" to Congress, and then he made Sessions make the announcement..
Trump can now blame them when it goes south on them
Trump simply passed the "buck" to Congress, and then he made Sessions make the announcement..
Trump can now blame them when it goes south on them
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Trump did not force the DACA parents to illegally migrate with their child into our country. Full stop. Blame the parents first.
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"Mr. Sessions said the program had 'denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same illegal aliens to take those jobs.” Horsepucky and they know it. It is only, that's only to keep the base in line. The Republican Party needs to rename itself Greed and Cruelty is coming for you.
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Sessions, being the racist he is, appeared very happy to be announcing the end of another Obama policy. Throw in the fact that it also involved imperiling the future of hundreds of thousands of young Mexican residents and you have the recipe for a day of sheer joy and glee for Trump and Sessions and most likely most of Trumps staff and cabinet. Trump supposedly agonized over the decision. Who in the world do they think they are fooling. He did exactly what he promised he would do and I can guarantee you did not feel an iota of despair. At this point his soul is so devoid of empathy that it comes across as demonic. Morality and compassion to repugnicans are only words of convenience. Sick sick people by any democratic standard.
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At the time when the Unionists on the left are working hard to remove the confederate flags and statutes from public places, our AG finally gets the chance to fulfil his life long dream - a highly coveted assignment to remove 800,000 DACA dreamers from our soil, Their crime: they do not look lilly white. They are mostly brown skinned. They bear Hispanic names and speak Spanish among themselves. Never mind the fact that these people came to the US when they were not in a position to form their opinion or decide where to live. They just obeyed and followed their parents. And even though above 90 percent of them have done rather well in the new country and surroundings, they must be removed from the only country they have known. Why? The new dispensation's obedience to law and order would brook no infraction of the rules and immigration laws. It must enforce our laws, as it alone sees and interprets them.
The trouble is that if law and order is going to be the strict criteria, shouldn'd the FLOTUS produce her immigration papers at a press conference, as promised by her husband a year ago? And what should we do with a certain high rise tower in Manhattan where a ton of violations of our laws have allegedly been conceived and carried out? Carrying the matter a bit further, shouldn't we cancel the pardon to an acknowledged racist sheriff for disobeying a court's order? And just what should we do with the country's AG who lies under oath to a Congressional Committee of his peers?
The trouble is that if law and order is going to be the strict criteria, shouldn'd the FLOTUS produce her immigration papers at a press conference, as promised by her husband a year ago? And what should we do with a certain high rise tower in Manhattan where a ton of violations of our laws have allegedly been conceived and carried out? Carrying the matter a bit further, shouldn't we cancel the pardon to an acknowledged racist sheriff for disobeying a court's order? And just what should we do with the country's AG who lies under oath to a Congressional Committee of his peers?
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America: Resist! "Live Free or Die," "Don't Tread on Me," We the People (note the word "People") need to tell OUR elected representative that THEY should inform Jeff Sessions -- who LIED to congress -- that they will IGNORE his decision on DACA. Enough!
Non Violent Resistance is the way. Peace, Not War! (Especially against our neighbors and friends!)
Non Violent Resistance is the way. Peace, Not War! (Especially against our neighbors and friends!)
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over 3000 comments now.
Trump is, of course, a complete coward, hiding behind his desk and congress. And no, doesn't love the dreamers.
Sessions is a throwback to 1861, and if this is how the south will rise again, Beauregard, your GOP has just lost the growing latino vote FOREVER. Some states will definitely become purple and blue, thanks for the gift.
And now, Beauregard, since you want to uphold the law and constitution, send out your mandate to arrest and prosecute the thousands of American employers who broke the law and hired all these undocumented workers. 10K and 10 years in jail..
And with Harvey and soon Irma requiring HYUGE rebuilding, you'll beg to have lots of those undocumented out there doing the work they've been allowed to do for oh so many decades. They have been a boon to the economy.
And to the angry white Trump supporters, go take all those jobs that you said illegals took from you: harvesting strawberries, working in restaurant kitchens, fixing roofs, and providing service in the hotel industry. 10 bucks an hour more or less, will that work for you?
Trump is, of course, a complete coward, hiding behind his desk and congress. And no, doesn't love the dreamers.
Sessions is a throwback to 1861, and if this is how the south will rise again, Beauregard, your GOP has just lost the growing latino vote FOREVER. Some states will definitely become purple and blue, thanks for the gift.
And now, Beauregard, since you want to uphold the law and constitution, send out your mandate to arrest and prosecute the thousands of American employers who broke the law and hired all these undocumented workers. 10K and 10 years in jail..
And with Harvey and soon Irma requiring HYUGE rebuilding, you'll beg to have lots of those undocumented out there doing the work they've been allowed to do for oh so many decades. They have been a boon to the economy.
And to the angry white Trump supporters, go take all those jobs that you said illegals took from you: harvesting strawberries, working in restaurant kitchens, fixing roofs, and providing service in the hotel industry. 10 bucks an hour more or less, will that work for you?
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I understand that Mexico is already struggling with the kids streaming back into the country. The schools are overwhelmed with students who do not speak the language....sound familiar to anyone?
In my small school district here in NY 75% of students are below the poverty line. Most of those are Hispanic and do not speak English. We spend precious funds and time and man hours bringing these kids up to speed. Special staff have to be hired to address their needs, and a superb teacher who speaks only English is not likely to be hired here.
Some 54% of the 14million illegals in the USA are from Mexico. If Mexico is such a wonderful place that we need to accept these illegals wholesale, why is sending them home such a moral dilemma?
In my small school district here in NY 75% of students are below the poverty line. Most of those are Hispanic and do not speak English. We spend precious funds and time and man hours bringing these kids up to speed. Special staff have to be hired to address their needs, and a superb teacher who speaks only English is not likely to be hired here.
Some 54% of the 14million illegals in the USA are from Mexico. If Mexico is such a wonderful place that we need to accept these illegals wholesale, why is sending them home such a moral dilemma?
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Too many cartel-directed drug gangs hide behind their Latino confreres in America. Their activity has made it impossible for people to receive the influx of illegals from south of the Rio Grande with equanimity, and someone like me who sees the endless array of narcotics cases being brought to trial in Chicago and northwest Indiana has palled at the endless recitation of their names...let them learn another lesson about the United States: that we don't tolerate heroin trafficking and conniving with drug dealers.
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There is apparently no limit to this man's stupidity and cruelty.
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As Europe hid Jewish children from the Nazis, will the United States hide immigrant children from ICE? What has happened to this country in less than a year?
I am embarrassed and mortified with this country.
Trump and his pals aren't leaders. Call them what comes to mind, but Leader is not a term I'd use for any of them. For shame.
I am embarrassed and mortified with this country.
Trump and his pals aren't leaders. Call them what comes to mind, but Leader is not a term I'd use for any of them. For shame.
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There is the law of the land and there is also the law of doing the right thing. Today I think of the many Jewish people who were fleeing from the genocide from the Nazis. They were largely turned away and many were forced to go back to Europe and their deaths.
There is much violence happening in Central America and Mexico. These young people were brought here by their parents who were fleeing the violence in their countries or looking to escape the poverty prevalent there.
Congress will drop the ball on this now just as they did when Obama asked for their help. Trump washes his hands of it and throws red meat to his racist supporters, gives the dirty job to Sessions who has no problem with hurting people.
So what do we do with the 800K make them stand in line with someone in front telling some of them to go to the right and most of them to the left?
The problem for all of us Americans is if will we do the right thing or will we allow so many young lives to be destroyed! The world is watching.
There is much violence happening in Central America and Mexico. These young people were brought here by their parents who were fleeing the violence in their countries or looking to escape the poverty prevalent there.
Congress will drop the ball on this now just as they did when Obama asked for their help. Trump washes his hands of it and throws red meat to his racist supporters, gives the dirty job to Sessions who has no problem with hurting people.
So what do we do with the 800K make them stand in line with someone in front telling some of them to go to the right and most of them to the left?
The problem for all of us Americans is if will we do the right thing or will we allow so many young lives to be destroyed! The world is watching.
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Trump is a selfish beast,.He would deport his own mother if he had one and she was Mexican. He holds an old outdated prejudice against Mexicans or he wouldnt be pushing his stupid, unnecessary and super costly wall.
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Our gutless president passes the hot potato to Jeff Sessions.
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In the mean time Melania arrived, no skills whatsoever, no degree... and apparently worked without a permit. She gets a free pass....hypocrites, racists
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I do not understand all this raised dust .... But until 2012, when that measure did not exist, how many people went ahead to defend the dreamers?
The decision taken by the President in my house is called "legality" !!! Helping measures should be legally decided, and above all, safeguarding the interests of the citizens who welcome them first. I'm sorry to see the Silicon Valley men's protests ... I understand that resources are needed for them, but when asked to bring their capital back from the tax havens, the answer is no, and they still claim to have a political role, affect the lives of citizens and dictate their lifestyle. Ahhh ... these Democrats !!!!
The decision taken by the President in my house is called "legality" !!! Helping measures should be legally decided, and above all, safeguarding the interests of the citizens who welcome them first. I'm sorry to see the Silicon Valley men's protests ... I understand that resources are needed for them, but when asked to bring their capital back from the tax havens, the answer is no, and they still claim to have a political role, affect the lives of citizens and dictate their lifestyle. Ahhh ... these Democrats !!!!
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Maybe Trump's epiphany regarding DACA goes back to his deep knowledge of the bible, as when he said 'Two Corinthians' at Liberty U. Maybe repealing DACA is linked to his 'understanding' of Exodus 34:7. As in, forgiving transgressions of the father (coming to America), by no means clears his guilt! The iniquity of the father will be visited on his children! As taught at Trump U., Religion 101.
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John Lennon's lyrics from his song "Imagine" are worthy of quoting here:
"Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world,
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one"
"Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world,
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one"
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In August 2016, Donald John Trump, DBA President of our United States explicitly touted he would terminate the DACA legislation stating it "defied federal law and the Constitution". So much for his promise he would show "great heart". It is all too obvious the guy doesn't have one
Someone please send me a copy of the version of our Constitution he is reading from or probably someone is reading to him.
This is not our America.
Someone please send me a copy of the version of our Constitution he is reading from or probably someone is reading to him.
This is not our America.
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This is not "America" as we know it or "GREAT HEART". Since when do we punish children for the errors of their parents. If that were applied to all of our lives it would be a disaster. Sadly, this president is an incompetent (and self-centered) windbag who had not the courage of his own convictions but waffles with the breeze. Let's hope Congress can make an intelligent decision as SOMEWHERE there must have common sense. Why aren't we keeping those who know America as their home country and are productive -- vs. the 'visas' the Kushner family is trying to sell to the Chinese with condos.
This whole term has turned out to be a disaster. Sad for all of us.
This whole term has turned out to be a disaster. Sad for all of us.
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Dreamers' amnesty: Must have arrived in the US before the age of five; will have a right to residency (green card) but NO PATH to citizenship; no record of gang-related, drug-related, or other crimes. Has not received welfare benefits in the two years prior to seeking Dreamers' amnesty. MUST speak and write English to an eighth-grade level.
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Most of the Dreamers I've seen have far better English skills than native born Americans.
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Trump is a moral coward, plain and simple. I don't for a minute believe that he is conflicted and that the White House put Sessions out there, as another article in the Times stated, so that Trump's body language wouldn't betray his uncertainty. Hogwash! Trump has shown time and again that he is as racist as they come. Whispers about his private conversations in the White House indicate that he is even worse behind closed doors, using crude and derogatory words to describe people of color and other races. I saw a clip last night of him landing a feeble punch on a man's face and then he backs up and his bodyguard (now gone from the WH), Keith Schiller, steps in to finish the job. That's exactly what he did with DACA.
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Here's a compromise. The "dreamers" can stay, but we put an end to birthright citizenship.
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By doing such a move with a population growth of 1.3 we put an end to the USA. Cutting off your nose to.....
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...As Trump continues to pander to what is now not his base, but
his 'dwindlinbase', that seething caldron of ignorance his con
manifested, the damage mounts.
The dwindlinbase won't make the final determination on DACA,
however, because it's a last gasp for Trump and Republicans as
they nosedive into a 2018 debacle and, hopefully, loss of control
of Congress.
Dreamers will be saved because this is one tortuous Trump
step too far. They and a humane majority will prevail.
his 'dwindlinbase', that seething caldron of ignorance his con
manifested, the damage mounts.
The dwindlinbase won't make the final determination on DACA,
however, because it's a last gasp for Trump and Republicans as
they nosedive into a 2018 debacle and, hopefully, loss of control
of Congress.
Dreamers will be saved because this is one tortuous Trump
step too far. They and a humane majority will prevail.
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I feel so sad for these young people and I'm ashamed that our country may support this. I hope they do not. Bottom line, Trump is a very bad man.
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A new low for the most mean-spirited, inept administration of our time. Trump, obsessed with his approval rating and pandering to his base, sends his bigoted, unctuous attorney general out to the lectern to do his dirty work. Jeff Sessions salivating at the opportunity to advance his anti-immigrant and racist agenda, sanctimoniously dissemblies about the rationale for callously disrupting countless bountiful young lives, laying to waste their hopes and dreams. This is red meat served on a platter for that part of Trump's base that needs to blame someone else for their station in life. The Republican congress will pay lip service to the plight of the Dreamers but in the end ruthlessly let them drift in the wind. For America to be great again, it must elect politicians who care about all of humanity and not just those likely to vote for them.
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President Trump is doing what he was voted into office for. And that makes him a representative of us. Thank you! Removing DACA will add jobs for American citizens, and it will allow deportation of illegal aliens--both worthy ideals.
If young adults who are part of DACA wish to remain, perhaps they could atone for the criminal acts of their parents. Perhaps acting as a volunteer for local charities 2 days a week for the remainder of their lives.
If young adults who are part of DACA wish to remain, perhaps they could atone for the criminal acts of their parents. Perhaps acting as a volunteer for local charities 2 days a week for the remainder of their lives.
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The innocent should "atone for the criminal acts of their parents." really . . . that is how we do it in the US? That's your level of compassion? We are at lowest unemployment in decades and disrupting this work force will add jobs for American citizens. It will bring recession not growth.
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Employed dreamers have already been contributing by paying taxes as many American born people and corporations have not been.
While we are at it I hope you in Texas appreciate how much contributor states pay toward Red states while our infrastructure needs go unattended in older cities and our protections against climate change go unmet.
While we are at it I hope you in Texas appreciate how much contributor states pay toward Red states while our infrastructure needs go unattended in older cities and our protections against climate change go unmet.
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Wrong! Deporting DACA recipients won't result in more employment of citizens who, according to employers, don't bother to show up for work and can't pass drug tests. Not to mention that businesses started by DACA recipients--that employ many Americans--will be forced to leave the country.
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Trump claimed, in an interview with Chuck Todd, that if an undocumented family is deported, any children born in America to that family will also go. These children are citizens. Section 1, Clause 1, of the Fourteenth Amendment, reads: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. Trump and Sessions will attempt to deport these American citizens, and that is when it will hit the fan.
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Why are we surprised immigration is a mess. Since the Simpson–Mazzoli Act over 30 years America has tinkered with minor parts of immigration laws five times but failed to address the most important issue - what kind of immigrants do we want and how do we go about attracting them - while protecting the country's sovereignty. Dreamers, illegal Immigrants, asylum seekers and the refugee crisis are just symptoms of a larger neglect. Our immigration laws affect every part of American life and we treat it like it does not matter. America is absolutely different from the country Ronald Reagan governed, yet our immigration laws have not been reformed. Instead of fixating on small groups, how about congress fix this problem for the next generation.
Immigration Reform should be more important than careless tax cuts for the rich.
Immigration Reform should be more important than careless tax cuts for the rich.
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You think Obama didn't fight for voters, warm hearted and all?! I am for an administration that wants clear boundaries, whichever they'll be. Keep the dreamers, make them legal. Or send them back, gifted with an American education. For dreamers it's a win-win, regardless.
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Understanding the muddled message of Donald Trump about ending DACA is simple.
Trump is a coward, so (1) he expresses positive views about the undocumented people adversely affected, (2) hands the issue over for termination to Jeff Sessions, who never met a disadvantaged person of color he didn’t want to persecute, and (3) for good measure, dumps everything in the lap of Congress to fix.
As long as he can keep his core group of scared bigots happy, Donald Trump is happy.
Trump is a coward, so (1) he expresses positive views about the undocumented people adversely affected, (2) hands the issue over for termination to Jeff Sessions, who never met a disadvantaged person of color he didn’t want to persecute, and (3) for good measure, dumps everything in the lap of Congress to fix.
As long as he can keep his core group of scared bigots happy, Donald Trump is happy.
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This Republican legislature has accomplished nothing for the past eight years, what makes Trump think they will be able to pass a DACA replacement bill?
Doh! That is the plan, isn’t it. Give it to the Congress that can’t legislate; the bill won’t pass, and Trump & Sessions will deport all these children as planned.
Doh! That is the plan, isn’t it. Give it to the Congress that can’t legislate; the bill won’t pass, and Trump & Sessions will deport all these children as planned.
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You have definitely hit the nail on the head about the dishonest and political nature of this move -- its' all a shell game where 'THE DONALD" does not have to take responsibility for harming others (as he has done his entire career). He is an unscrupulous self promoter with no moral compass -- and of course Mr. Sessions and he are once again outmaneuvering the few good people who work in our government.
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Trump revokes Dreamer Act...Well, we'll all be glad when we, the people, revoke Trump's fraudulent presidency. He has been an absolute disgrace to the Office of the Presidency. Let's repeal and replace Trump...and the sooner, the better.
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Trump is very in touch with the average voter the morons on the left are completely out of touch trump is doing exactly what I sent him there to do ... finally make America great
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Thanks Ryan and McConnell for endorsing this lying faker and doing nothing to stop the power grab. History will mark you as disgraces of the early 21st century. Men who could have done something but stood by.
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Obama broke the laws of the US by issuing an EO allowing this to happen. Obama did not have the authority to over ride the immigration laws. Obama and Hillary both said the same things in speeches, that it is beyond the power of the POTUS to change the immigration laws, but he did it anyway WITHOUT congress. Only congress can change laws. This mess falls squarely on Obama. Then we get to the focus of the dreamers anger. They should all be going to their parents and asking why they brought them here illegally. Our government had nothing to do with the law breaking. You all are so used to Obama not enforcing the laws that you can't handle it when the new POTUS enforces the laws. Trump did not write these laws, they have been law for decades.
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Clearly, you do not understand President Obama's order of the legal rationale on which it is based. It rests on the well-established principle of prosecutorial discretion; it does not change immigration law. Thus, EO was entirely within the President's constitutional aurhority.
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No, the prosecutorial discretion only applies to individual cases, not an entire group of cases. Do some research. These dreamers have never been served with a summons to appear in court, prosecutorial discretion does not apply.
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Ten years from now, once again hundreds of thousands of english speaking, well integrated, law abiding recent immigrants brought in USA illegally will say, ME TOO..
Don't you see a problem? An amnesty for 800k people without any additional law, preventing similar situation from reoccurring would be wrong. Forget about Trump and his wall, there is need for new law and enforcement to address modern immigration.
Don't you see a problem? An amnesty for 800k people without any additional law, preventing similar situation from reoccurring would be wrong. Forget about Trump and his wall, there is need for new law and enforcement to address modern immigration.
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Canada is here for the victims of the repressive Trump administration! It is time that we become the leader in welcoming political refugees from the US.
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Surely the rest of your fellow Canadian citizens and Justin want an endless trail of migration from south of your border. Not.
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Canada for President! Your country does a lot of things more sensibly than does America (sad for us). It's been a long time since America lived up to its own advertising.
1
No wonder Dreamers are nervous: How many treaties and promises to Native Americans did the US government break? We have a bad record in this department.
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I'm sorry my fellow Americans Trump is a small vindictive man grasping at straws trying to save a ever declining base of support. The fact that these kids are collateral damage is of no consequence to him or his supporters.
The thing that drives me crazy about republicans is that there are two crimes committed whenever a non documented person is employed. One by the employer and another by the employee why do they never talk about jailing the employer. They fully support drug laws that make possession a crime because without a demand there will be no supply but suspend this logic when it comes to illegal immigration. The cynic in me tells me this is because the employers are rich White republican voters. Please oh please NYT ask Jeff Sessions why he is not demanding all employers be punished too.
The thing that drives me crazy about republicans is that there are two crimes committed whenever a non documented person is employed. One by the employer and another by the employee why do they never talk about jailing the employer. They fully support drug laws that make possession a crime because without a demand there will be no supply but suspend this logic when it comes to illegal immigration. The cynic in me tells me this is because the employers are rich White republican voters. Please oh please NYT ask Jeff Sessions why he is not demanding all employers be punished too.
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Include the spouses and children of the Dreamers, many of them fully legal US citizens, and we're easily talking about a million people who are right now living in desperate fear of deportation. And given the conditions they're likely to encounter if they ARE deported, it's possible that ~1% could be dead within five years. That's 10,000 fatalities.
This isn't just a bone that Donald Trump is tossing to his base. This is incipient ethnic cleansing, otherwise known as genocide.
This isn't just a bone that Donald Trump is tossing to his base. This is incipient ethnic cleansing, otherwise known as genocide.
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Doesn't this seem to sound like the beginnings of ethnic cleansing? Didn't Jeff Sessions once endorse a eugenics movement from 1924 or so, which had its roots somewhere in the idea that certain nationalities were inferior to others?
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While slightly off topic, the real problem here is that we continue to just let people overstay their visas and do not track down illegals unless they do something awful. That's how you end up with 600 thousand kids here who have no other country to call home. Obviously, there's no point in deporting these folks unless the have committed felonies but equally until we have secure borders, any amnesty is just going to induce more people to come here without papers or overstay their visas.
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So Trump turns to a cruel, elitist, Southern White man from a state where the legislature has illegally implemented the first steps BACK to segregation, a man who wholly supports Ethnic Cleansing, internationally banned as a Crime Against humanity, to implement it.
And what does the GOP leaders say? They are going to hold these Dreamers, these victims of someone else's actions, even crimes, hostage to get The Wall instead of directing that money where it's needed: Flood and Hurricane control and management.
And they are doing this even as the BIGGEST Atlantic hurricane on record is already slamming into the Leeward Islands on its way to Florida.
Yet again, Trumpism and Republicanism at its lowest, holding those who cannot defend themselves hostage at risk of atrocities.
How many women did the Times report are murdered in El Salvador? 1 of 4?
Ethnic Cleansing: just one of the many steps to dictatorship.
And what does the GOP leaders say? They are going to hold these Dreamers, these victims of someone else's actions, even crimes, hostage to get The Wall instead of directing that money where it's needed: Flood and Hurricane control and management.
And they are doing this even as the BIGGEST Atlantic hurricane on record is already slamming into the Leeward Islands on its way to Florida.
Yet again, Trumpism and Republicanism at its lowest, holding those who cannot defend themselves hostage at risk of atrocities.
How many women did the Times report are murdered in El Salvador? 1 of 4?
Ethnic Cleansing: just one of the many steps to dictatorship.
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It appears that anything connected to president Obama is doomed. Trump starts there.
Most presidents build. Trump destroys.
Most presidents build. Trump destroys.
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This is the problem when any President takes lazy route of rule by fiat or decree. President Trump is asking the Congress to act, to take the constitutional path.
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Nonsense. He couod ask Congrrss to act, and indeed Congress is free to act at any time, without rescinding DACA.
2
Putin takes his vengeance against Obama out on orphans, while Trump takes his vengeance against Obama out on dreamers. I'm just not sure which it is they hate more, Obama or children.
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Do you think maybe, he is merely asking Congress to pass a "law" to protect them, instead of having lice under a "decree" that can be revoked at any time, or whim. Hence the six month delay?
I never saw President Trump as a constitutionalist, but perhaps he is evolving, which many have hoped for.
We should not be a nation ruled by decree, that is for Argentina and Venezuela.
I never saw President Trump as a constitutionalist, but perhaps he is evolving, which many have hoped for.
We should not be a nation ruled by decree, that is for Argentina and Venezuela.
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He could have asked Congress to act, and, Congress has been free to act all along, without rescinding DACA and cruelly throwing the futures of 800,000 young people up in the air.
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Giving these people the right to stay and work here only encourages millions more to bring their kids here. When does this invasion end? Before or after the U.S. becomes the third world they came from?
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I would agree, but was this bad policy thier fault. We must show compassion and justice to all men, if we are to be Christian nation. I don't correct this problem with these people in such a cruel way. Enforcing border policy is where we start, perhaps?
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Phil Bickel Columbus Ohio
Please with all due respect, use the lower case "c" when describing this country: "if we are to be Christian nation".
Millions upon millions of use are not Christians, we are native US citizens striving for christian values yet practice other religions or none at all and still deeply believe in equality.
Separation of church and state please!
Please with all due respect, use the lower case "c" when describing this country: "if we are to be Christian nation".
Millions upon millions of use are not Christians, we are native US citizens striving for christian values yet practice other religions or none at all and still deeply believe in equality.
Separation of church and state please!
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Phil Bickel, Yes, it is their fault for entering or staying in our country without authorization.
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Mr. Trump: Turn your administration around! Lead immigration reform and keep the Dreamers here!
1
Trump and Republicans are a disgrace to humanity. They will live in infamy for many generations.
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How about, "from this day forward, and forever?"
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Mr Trump, why not an amnesty for the Dreamers already in residence? You could stipulate,
"Any man, woman or child arriving after 5pm on 7th September 2017 will not have any right to stay. Children already in residence can stay.".
How did our countries (yours' and mine - yes mine ) become so heartless? Bring on a Dreamers Amnesty Bill.....
"Any man, woman or child arriving after 5pm on 7th September 2017 will not have any right to stay. Children already in residence can stay.".
How did our countries (yours' and mine - yes mine ) become so heartless? Bring on a Dreamers Amnesty Bill.....
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How about Congress enact laws, like he is suggesting, and we quit acting by Obama style fiat.
2
What did you expect? POTUS has nothing better to do than to pick on children?
Someone needs to be deported- and it's not a dreamer!!
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The first glimmerings of sanity returns to Washington. You come here illegally, you're illegal...Get out.
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Every day I find another justification(s) for my visceral hatred of republicans - the are sub human.
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Perhaps Canada can step in and offer to help these deserving youngsters at least until we can get this pirate crew out of government.
Republicans are people with stones and brambles where their hearts ought to be.
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When are we going to start prosecuting for the lies before the Senate from Jeff Sessions? No meetings with Russians?
Are there no patriots among those in the White House to deal with this problem?
Are there no patriots among those in the White House to deal with this problem?
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Instead of ranting more lies about 'dreamers' taking jobs from Americans, why doesn't Trump focus on creating all those jobs he promised - or, better yet, naturalize all those bad hombres stealing jobs, who can then be counted in official labor statistics as employed Americans ... but first he'd have to prove that they're stealing the jobs in the first place, which has proven to be untrue over and over again.
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Is he just doing this to distract attention from something else, and eventually retract this?
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They call them "Dreamers" because they were dreaming if they thought Trump was going to let them slide.
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Mr. Trump is doing exactly what he wants to do and is not in the least bit conflicted about this decision. He and other anti-Hispanic racists like the poor excuse for. an Attorney General Mr. Sessions are having the time of their lives in 2017. The bill however will inevitably come due in future elections as the Republican party is appropriately cut down to size.
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Dreamers need to follow the same procedure as everyone else.
It's not fair to those who have waited in line for years to give these people preferred position.
They get better treatment because their parents broke the law and the other applicants parents didn't?
The logic in that escapees me.
It's not fair to those who have waited in line for years to give these people preferred position.
They get better treatment because their parents broke the law and the other applicants parents didn't?
The logic in that escapees me.
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The logic is simple. We, decent Americans that we are (right?), asked these children brought here by adults to reveal themselves, hand over full information on their identities and behavior before the law, and we told them we would protect them from the horror of forced deportation from the only country they know. If they had a criminal record, they were not included.
I was proud to live in a country willing to do this. I am ashamed today as our attorney general defames these young and completely vulnerable innocents. He is a cruel and hateful liar.
We are deciding what America means to us and to the world. We are not defining the DREAMers. We know who they are, the calumnies of Jefferson Davis Sessions notwithstanding. We are defining ourselves.
I was proud to live in a country willing to do this. I am ashamed today as our attorney general defames these young and completely vulnerable innocents. He is a cruel and hateful liar.
We are deciding what America means to us and to the world. We are not defining the DREAMers. We know who they are, the calumnies of Jefferson Davis Sessions notwithstanding. We are defining ourselves.
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I thank president Trump for ending DACA. I know this is an emotional thing, but the country should not be governed by emotions. They should be governed by the rule of law.
This reminds me of a judge who jails a single mother of five small kids to life in prison because she committed a crime. That is called the rule of law. Taking the hard choices.
I know it sounds harsh to deport millions of young people whose parents came here illegally. But we need to ask several questions. One, what do you tell a jobless American who sees hundreds of illegal immigrants working and earning $20 a hour? I think its time we focused on those people.
Two, if we allow these kids to remain in the United States because they did nothing wrong, what do we do to their parents who committed the crime of coming here illegally?
Three, a common argument is that these people should not allowed to go to their countries because they are dangerous. Who do they expect to build the countries and make them safe? Is it good for America if the countries remain unsafe because the people who are fed up can cross the border to the safe United States?
Four. What do you tell the millions of people who are in line because they want to follow the law?
This reminds me of a judge who jails a single mother of five small kids to life in prison because she committed a crime. That is called the rule of law. Taking the hard choices.
I know it sounds harsh to deport millions of young people whose parents came here illegally. But we need to ask several questions. One, what do you tell a jobless American who sees hundreds of illegal immigrants working and earning $20 a hour? I think its time we focused on those people.
Two, if we allow these kids to remain in the United States because they did nothing wrong, what do we do to their parents who committed the crime of coming here illegally?
Three, a common argument is that these people should not allowed to go to their countries because they are dangerous. Who do they expect to build the countries and make them safe? Is it good for America if the countries remain unsafe because the people who are fed up can cross the border to the safe United States?
Four. What do you tell the millions of people who are in line because they want to follow the law?
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It was reported just three weeks ago that crops are rotting in California fields because of a lack of field hands attributed to Trump's immigration crackdown. Curiously, unemployed Americans have not lined up to take those jobs. The suggestion that these folks are taking jobs that Americans would otherwise take is a pernicious lie.
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This is the result of a president who despises anything Obama did regardless of its value. How can a person with such blatant hatred lead a country?
I am sure that Canada and many other countries would welcome these young people.
I am sure that Canada and many other countries would welcome these young people.
Don't blame Trump, blame your parent(s) for doing something wrong in the first place. It's like accidentally painting a house and demanding the owner pay.
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I suppose it's too much to expect this president to show leadership.
Ah well. Next time maybe.
Ah well. Next time maybe.
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According to a NYT article a few years ago, only 40% of illegal immigrant kids graduate high school. So how does that help the U.S.?
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Read DACA...you are required to have graduated HS, be in school or served in the military *and* have no felonies or no more than 3 misdemeanors in order to be eligible to participate in the program or renew your DACA application. Which costs $495 to do and lasts two years.
Which BTW is NOT a granting of citizenship
Which BTW is NOT a granting of citizenship
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Not true. You need only a GED or to be enrolled in a "program". No high school diploma required.
According to the Harvard study, about 20% don't graduate high school, and another 20% graduate high school but have no plans for higher education.
As with many emotional issues, the facts are considered "racist" and evidence of "hatred."
According to the Harvard study, about 20% don't graduate high school, and another 20% graduate high school but have no plans for higher education.
As with many emotional issues, the facts are considered "racist" and evidence of "hatred."
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This is a plot to blackmail democrats into supporting trumps wall and other such foolishness, will the dems be able to resist trump when the lives of the dreamers are at stake - using dreamers as pawns, the repubs think they have a winning hand and they just might
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Funny how all those that support ending DACA cite how the laws should be followed and respected yet when the corrupt tRump crowd ignores the emoluments clause and ethics rules .... well that's just fine and dandy
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I hope there is a merciful God and that s/he deals with Sessions and Trump promptly.
Autocracy
Everything now in place for an autocracy.
Everything now in place for an autocracy.
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Most of the posts below are basically saying--We don't care about the rule of law. It is dispensable. We can rearrange the laws as we want to. We don't need anything but heart. We don't need to have a border. We don't need a Constitution. We don't need a country. Most of you people posting, are not living in the real world where people have to pay bills. These young adults (average age is 25)--if they get what they want--will encourage more of the same--more minors entering USA illegally. You are setting a precedent with DACA. Others will jump on board that train. But many posters BTL could care less about future problems their actions will bring. The DACA in the video say they are beholden to their families and their culture. This shows their real concerns--they may say they are Americans--but their hearts are not in it. They don't support our country. They just want what we can give them; it is pure self-interest.Yet their NYT BTL supporters see that as worthy of putting them ahead of legal immigrants and citizens who play by the rules.
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Thanks to Obama thousands of unaccompanied minors flooded our border and were then quietly moved far and wide across our country into unsuspecting municipalities. That's what people are calling "heart"?
Any rational person understands that Obama created this situation, essentially providing a temporary and unsustainable situation for Dreamers. Lawsuits -- not President Trump -- pose a serious threat to their status. It is Congress' job to change the laws, not the president's.
Again, rational people understand that if anything President Trump gave them a reprieve by throwing it back to Congress. Ideologues will object because extremists in Congress will now have to compromise.
The days of ideologues are over. Perhaps this is what is behind so much of the left's outrage -- that is, the thought of having to "compromise."
Any rational person understands that Obama created this situation, essentially providing a temporary and unsustainable situation for Dreamers. Lawsuits -- not President Trump -- pose a serious threat to their status. It is Congress' job to change the laws, not the president's.
Again, rational people understand that if anything President Trump gave them a reprieve by throwing it back to Congress. Ideologues will object because extremists in Congress will now have to compromise.
The days of ideologues are over. Perhaps this is what is behind so much of the left's outrage -- that is, the thought of having to "compromise."
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He is the destroyer of worlds; youngsters' worlds, the climate he denies is changing and withdraws from a world-wide effort, and dismantle health care for millions. Maybe the disappearance of Mar-a-Largo will bring about an awakening. No, never mind.
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There is one constant, one unassailable truth: We can always count on Trump to do the wrong thing.
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We need some type of responsible immigration reform. Shame on both parties for doing absolutely nothing for decades...for refusing to address this problem head on before it became a crisis. But why do you continue to use the term unauthorized or undocumented immigrants, when the correct term is illegal immigrant. The right word is illegal simply because they are illegally in the US. Unauthorized is not a clear description of the act which has left those in violation of the law. They committed a crime by entering the country without permission. I know the left wants to stop others from using the term illegal immigrant, believing that no one is illegal, but that's nonsense. If it wasn't a problem, we wouldn't round people up and deport them.The term is accurate. It's not a semantic discussion. I think when progressives hear illegal, they decided, well, let's just change the word. Is there something about illegal immigrant per se that it can't be used in polite discourse for people who are trying to have an honest conversation?
We should not be afraid to speak about this problem in an unbiased way. We need to speak clearly so we define what is at stake. Undocumented seems to imply that some people forgot to fill out the correct paper work when crossing the border. It wasn't. They entered the U.S. knowing they were breaking the law. They are here illegally without permission of the the U.S. That's why it's an issue. We can't solve this tragedy if we can't have a frank discussion.
We should not be afraid to speak about this problem in an unbiased way. We need to speak clearly so we define what is at stake. Undocumented seems to imply that some people forgot to fill out the correct paper work when crossing the border. It wasn't. They entered the U.S. knowing they were breaking the law. They are here illegally without permission of the the U.S. That's why it's an issue. We can't solve this tragedy if we can't have a frank discussion.
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And a frank discussion cannot be had without first addressing the fact that there are employers who continue to blatantly flout the law by not verifying the status of the so-called illegals because it's to the employers benefit not to do so. The employers are never mentioned as part of the problem and precious few of the employers ever face fines or sanctions which are part of immigration law as well. Let's be honest and deal with the matter in its totality.
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The perspective that the Dreamers take more from America than they give back is simply wrong. They are held to higher standards than American citizens and are given less privileges in return. To add insult to injury, now Dreamers face the prospect that they may not become citizens of the only country they have ever known. They are innocents. Jeff Sessions lacks the compassion essential to being Attorney General... and lacks an understanding that laws serve people, not people serve laws. I’ve never been much of a flag waver, but must admit that I never imagined that something so nonsensical and heartless could happen in the United States.
Many decades ago, my mother taught me "those who do, go and those who don't, stay." I say the t has been true over the decades for this country was built on immigration. There is no reason not to believe that among the dreamers Include a very large number of people who "do"!
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Of course those who were brought here by w/o a choice of their own and are w/o criminal record should be able to stay.
That said, the only thing that really matters to politicians is being re-elected.
Re-election regardless of the price others pay is all that matters.
One term for Senators and Representatives would eliminate that concern.
Being a member of Congress should not be a life time occupation.
That said, the only thing that really matters to politicians is being re-elected.
Re-election regardless of the price others pay is all that matters.
One term for Senators and Representatives would eliminate that concern.
Being a member of Congress should not be a life time occupation.
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It's an old political trick used the world over; when in trouble direct the punters interests in another direction. It's the "Look over there" gambit and they use it because it works a treat. The fact that such gambits very often discriminate or disadvantage citizens does not cause them a whit of worry. Trump is in trouble and the 'Dreamers" were an easy target. These young people, who are facing an agonising future, have just been thrust into the path of the Trump bus which isn't going to stop until some responsible people wrests the wheel from the current driver.
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It's pretty hard to ignore 11 to 13 million illegals in our country Trevor. That is almost the population of Australia. Think about it.
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But if this forces Congress to pass a legislative solution to the problem, is that not a good thing? I am not implying that that is Trump's goal, but would such a result not be more long-term and safe?
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Dear Susanne, formally I agree. What you say is undeniable It´s based on unrefutable classic legal reasoning. Nevertheless it´s missing the point.
Sometimes we as foreigners are not aware of the huge flock of elephants in this room because the real problem here remains unspoken all the time.
Congress who´s legislative duty is to make reasonable laws - to say it in most simple words - was openly unable to do so on this issue. Because it had to be fixed and there was no other way but a presidential decree former POTUS did it. This behavior sidelined the exclusive constitutional entitlement of the institution "Congress" to pass federal laws but there was no option because otherwise there would not have been any badly required rule again.
The "charge" against POTUS is now to send this important issue to the legislation of Congress because most Americans assume Congress as institution with sole constitutional responsibility for legislation will fail again. This is based on their long time-experience with exercise of duty of Congress.
So the rule Mr. Trump is charged to have infringed can only read like this:
"POTUS, if there is anything to do that may not fail you may never involve Congress. You have to do it yourself by a reasonable decree."
Now draw logical deductions and further conclusions from this rule for ANY legislation by Congress by all logical skills demonstrated in your post.
All hidden elephants will stampede in the room. Too much for Europeans.
Sometimes we as foreigners are not aware of the huge flock of elephants in this room because the real problem here remains unspoken all the time.
Congress who´s legislative duty is to make reasonable laws - to say it in most simple words - was openly unable to do so on this issue. Because it had to be fixed and there was no other way but a presidential decree former POTUS did it. This behavior sidelined the exclusive constitutional entitlement of the institution "Congress" to pass federal laws but there was no option because otherwise there would not have been any badly required rule again.
The "charge" against POTUS is now to send this important issue to the legislation of Congress because most Americans assume Congress as institution with sole constitutional responsibility for legislation will fail again. This is based on their long time-experience with exercise of duty of Congress.
So the rule Mr. Trump is charged to have infringed can only read like this:
"POTUS, if there is anything to do that may not fail you may never involve Congress. You have to do it yourself by a reasonable decree."
Now draw logical deductions and further conclusions from this rule for ANY legislation by Congress by all logical skills demonstrated in your post.
All hidden elephants will stampede in the room. Too much for Europeans.
Resist! Resist the Attorney General's lies. The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program is not illegal, if it were, court actions would have killed it, making Session's lies unnecessary. A related Supreme Court 2016 case split 4-4. Resist Jefferson Sessions' paternalism, his “Big House” mentality. Named for the Confederate President who headed a government in rebellion against the country Session now serves, he has lessons to unlearn before he can teach others the meaning of citizenship and American values. He has been quoted as saying his only problem with the Klan was its drug use, civil rights groups were anti-American, and he had heard a Alabama judge was a “traitor to his race.” He denies being a racist, but his actions fit the mold. If Trump vision is the looking glass, Session's mission is teach the natives and “illegal aliens” the importance—and power--of being white.
But Sessions is only a spineless errand boy. A wide swath of America believes DACA take “hundreds of thousands” of jobs from Americans. How did that happen? Were these residents (not aliens!) with work permits better qualified when allowed to compete head-to-head? For their success, they are condemned. Racists love scapegoats; their raison d'etre is blame. At 5% unemployment, anybody who wants work can find a job. Barack correctly observed removing 800,000 adults who grew up American won't increase anybody's paycheck.
But Sessions is only a spineless errand boy. A wide swath of America believes DACA take “hundreds of thousands” of jobs from Americans. How did that happen? Were these residents (not aliens!) with work permits better qualified when allowed to compete head-to-head? For their success, they are condemned. Racists love scapegoats; their raison d'etre is blame. At 5% unemployment, anybody who wants work can find a job. Barack correctly observed removing 800,000 adults who grew up American won't increase anybody's paycheck.
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Sessions and those who serve in Congress should take responsibility for the lack of a fair law (or even just a modern law) on immigration status for these child immigrants. It is hipocrasy to talk about rule of law when Congress can't seem to show leadership in passing any law to address this urgent problem.
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I currently have two friends undergoing the immigration process to the US. In doing so they are delaying starting a family, even delaying entering into relationships since if they lose their jobs thy will have only 10 days to liquidate their assets and leave the country. They pay 1000's of dollars in fees for lawyers and directly to the government in order to pay for the process they undergo. They must return home on a regular basis to re-new their visa, and each time much schedule a interview at the American embassy in their home nation. When I look at illegal aliens on the streets chanting "I'm illegal and I'm going to fight to say.". I can only think that my friends who work so hard, and have waited so long, and have paid so much, and delayed so much are quite simply suckers. It's obvious they should just execute a immigration policy of their own making and when they are called out on it, cry racism.
I understand not splitting up families. I also understand not wanting to have your life interrupted by complying with the legal process of immigrating to this nation. However when you sit back and look at what is being proposed. Namely that whole groups of people are forcing their way into the nation. Jumping to the front of the line. Crying poverty and racism when the threat is made to make them account, or even return home to await the normal visa process, the chutzpah is just staggering.
I understand not splitting up families. I also understand not wanting to have your life interrupted by complying with the legal process of immigrating to this nation. However when you sit back and look at what is being proposed. Namely that whole groups of people are forcing their way into the nation. Jumping to the front of the line. Crying poverty and racism when the threat is made to make them account, or even return home to await the normal visa process, the chutzpah is just staggering.
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I agree that "the chutzpah is just staggering." I am a legal immigrant who has spent most of my life in USA. My dad waited 3 years to get a visa to bring his family here from UK. What is even more galling to me is that, given affirmative action, these people as members of a minority group, get preferences for various things, like jobs and college admissions. When I apply for a job, if I am not the desired 'demographic'--too bad for me.
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So the two year old being cradled in her father's arms as he crossed the border at night was, to use your language, 'forcing her way into the nation'.
What an odd sense of logic you have.
What an odd sense of logic you have.
I assume you're not talking about children fleeing drug gangs in Honduras, or Syrian refugees. In both cases - as in many other countries –the US has their hands in the game, and refuses steadfastly to take any responsibilities for the consequences of her actions. Time to bring out the yellow star and show some solidarity. Thanks – Stefan B, immigrant, legal, white, privileged
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"You may not be interested in war. But war is interested in you." -- Trotsky
Why are we talking about DACA and Dreamers with America poised on the brink of war with a nuclear armed state? Personally, I don't care that much one way or the other about illegal immigration. Although we might note that hurricane ravaged Texas is about to find out just how dumb an idea it is to deport a million people whose specialty is housing construction!
I do happen to care about nuclear war. Call me a nuclear winter snowflake. THAT is what we should be talking about. That and pretty much nothing else until the North Korean confrontation is resolved.
Why are we talking about DACA and Dreamers with America poised on the brink of war with a nuclear armed state? Personally, I don't care that much one way or the other about illegal immigration. Although we might note that hurricane ravaged Texas is about to find out just how dumb an idea it is to deport a million people whose specialty is housing construction!
I do happen to care about nuclear war. Call me a nuclear winter snowflake. THAT is what we should be talking about. That and pretty much nothing else until the North Korean confrontation is resolved.
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You know, some have the intellectual capacity to focus on and to talk about both.
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It surely would be prudent to hire US citizens to do re-building in and around the Houston area. Why give away these very well needed jobs to illegals? We have so many people who seriously need jobs right now. How about giving them the opportunity first?
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just might help the country if they took a politician under one arm and a lobbyist under the other
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This is why the republicans and Trump want to scrap DACA:
1. It's a program which mostly concerns brown skin people who turned out to be hard working, went to college in most cases, trade school and became relatively successful comparing to local right wing Trumpian whites.
2. It' was put in force by president Obama, a black man.
3. People under DACA are easy target as they have done everything legally therefore became easy target for deportation.
4. They make local born and raised, look like failure in most cases.
5. Most of them have voted democrats.
It will be interesting to see how many white DACA beneficiaries would be deported. Probably none because most of the republican congressman and senators are racist and mindless. They nearly cannot see any thing successfully implemented by a black president especially when it involves mostly nonwhites. As an educated practicing physician in affluent Connecticut I do not see any other reason for trump and republicans to act so inhumanly.
1. It's a program which mostly concerns brown skin people who turned out to be hard working, went to college in most cases, trade school and became relatively successful comparing to local right wing Trumpian whites.
2. It' was put in force by president Obama, a black man.
3. People under DACA are easy target as they have done everything legally therefore became easy target for deportation.
4. They make local born and raised, look like failure in most cases.
5. Most of them have voted democrats.
It will be interesting to see how many white DACA beneficiaries would be deported. Probably none because most of the republican congressman and senators are racist and mindless. They nearly cannot see any thing successfully implemented by a black president especially when it involves mostly nonwhites. As an educated practicing physician in affluent Connecticut I do not see any other reason for trump and republicans to act so inhumanly.
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#5 is incorrect. DACA folks don't vote.
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"went to college in most cases," This is not accurate, although it is commonly touted as fact. Actually, about 20% of the DACA recipients hare attended or graduated from college. And that is less than the national average for people of their age group. Liberals have created a fictional representative of the DACA group that is nothing but a PR lie.
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5. I'm pretty sure none of them can vote. Unless of course they're one of the millions of illegal voters who inhabit the nether regions of our POTUS's potent imagination.
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GOP gerrymandering and voter suppression will not work forever to win elections--the Republicans know that they will need immigrant votes soon, so watch the party betray the hater base and continue DACA to get more voters on their side.
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POTUS seems focused on doing away with everything that President Obama did for America. It is easier to destroy than to construct. SAD... very SAD!.
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Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
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Tommy, that poem applied to people in the 19th and early 20th century who came here legally, built this country, and contributed to this country without receiving any government handouts unlike the majority of illegal immigrants today. Low wage illegal immigrants are a burden to this country. The NYT printed an article saying so. Look it up.
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This is Congress to decide not the President. For now all the central american unaccompanied kids will stop coming because all were following the footsteps of DACA people. After 10 years these kids would have been asking same like DACA amnesty. When this whole circle is going to end. I guess nowhere.
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That's probably the strangest comment to appear in this forum for some time.
You do realise, don't you, that DACA is not available to those arriving in America now and hasn't been for some years?
You do realise, don't you, that DACA is not available to those arriving in America now and hasn't been for some years?
Lazza May, No but the newly arriving children will form a new sub group with the help of various groups and another marketable moniker and heart string pulling justification for them to stay.
It's a scam, it really is.
It's a scam, it really is.
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Everything Trump touches becomes toxic. He is trying so hard to appear "presidential," he keeps painting himself in a corner from which he will never escape.
"Have a nice time" he tells some of the people in suffering Houston.
This incompetent narcissistic fool is causing more fear and chaos in an already unstable world. Leaders are responsible to lead, not commissioned to destroy the spirit and soul of a country.
"Have a nice time" he tells some of the people in suffering Houston.
This incompetent narcissistic fool is causing more fear and chaos in an already unstable world. Leaders are responsible to lead, not commissioned to destroy the spirit and soul of a country.
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I was gobsmacked when he thanked his wife for going to Houston fly in fly out we call those FIFO's. We were sitting in front of our televisions crying for the people of Houston seeing no matter their own losses they were there helping each other out. Those are the sights that make a great nation not a President thanking his wife for visiting.
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Let me first say that my heart, my intellect, are all with the dreamers. I hope their situation will soon be resolved to their satisfaction as otherwise it will be a loss to our country.
Your editorial is right that Trump is a coward. Not only that but a huffing, puffing, hot air blowing coward. He had to have his beleaguered AG to do the dirty work for him. Having said that I thought I read somewhere that the wonderful, self proclaimed "policy wonk", aka House Speaker, was mumbling something like that should be resolved by the "legislature". Well, in that sense, Trump did a politically correct cowardly thing, bounce the ball back to the Congress. It was their obstructionism that forced President (a real and not a stolen one) to do what he did.
In that sense, and only in that sense, I say Trump did the right, cowardly thing. Let them *Trump, the beleaguered AG, Ryan, McConnell, and the rest of the GOP obstructionists) eat crow!
Your editorial is right that Trump is a coward. Not only that but a huffing, puffing, hot air blowing coward. He had to have his beleaguered AG to do the dirty work for him. Having said that I thought I read somewhere that the wonderful, self proclaimed "policy wonk", aka House Speaker, was mumbling something like that should be resolved by the "legislature". Well, in that sense, Trump did a politically correct cowardly thing, bounce the ball back to the Congress. It was their obstructionism that forced President (a real and not a stolen one) to do what he did.
In that sense, and only in that sense, I say Trump did the right, cowardly thing. Let them *Trump, the beleaguered AG, Ryan, McConnell, and the rest of the GOP obstructionists) eat crow!
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If this is a contest between cowards, I'd say betting on Congress or the President is pretty much a wash.
If Trump thought Charlottesville was raucous- he ain't seen nothing yet if he tries to grab and deport hundreds of thousands of Dreamers. It will be Viet Nam error protest on steroids and an unprecedented levels of civil disobedience.
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Vote and sign up others who can legally vote. If ALL the protestors don't work on this from ALL the protests then barbarism wins.
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Especially cruel for the Dreamers who are still suffering because of the hurricane.
trump and Sessions show the world what they are made of.
While watching the most vulnerable try to recover from the devastation, trump and Sessions give them another kick in the stomach.
right wing , no heart republicans.. how pathetic. How mentally sick.
trump and Sessions show the world what they are made of.
While watching the most vulnerable try to recover from the devastation, trump and Sessions give them another kick in the stomach.
right wing , no heart republicans.. how pathetic. How mentally sick.
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Especially cruel for the family and friends of the dreamer who died in Houston trying to save fellow Americans.
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Trump lumps dreamers with "rapists and drug dealers", while he lumps Nazis with "good people". I can't wait for America to do a little lumping of its own, and lump Trump with treason.
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The door is not closed! And it won't be, unless Congress continues their hyper-partisan behavior of the last 9 years (on both sides of the aisle) by refusing to work together and get something done. Uncertainty and stress and fear, yes, and I think it's too bad innocent people are experiencing this. But let's remember, Trump is asking Congress to legislate a path to citizenship. As a conservative I support this. I wish it could be done in a more thoughtful and proactive way. Today's mess is the result of decades of looking the other way as people streamed across the border to provide cheap labor and do the work our spoiled citizens feel is beneath them. Dreamers should have legal status and be eligible to enter the naturalization process. Other illegals who are otherwise law abiding should be able to apply for citizenship and if they meet overall requirements and pay a significant fine, we should welcome them.
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Amnesty for dreamers is a no brainer as far as I'm concerned. But DACA was not the way to go. Our courts have held that broad immigration policy is to be established by law, not by presidential edict. When the ends are right but the means are wrong, you've still violated the Constitution, which is more than a technicality. Congress has failed to pass fair immigration laws for a long, long time. The Dreamers are the easiest issue they will ever face and there is good reason to hope that they will enact some form of DACA. Just as important, they will do it the right way. When a President unconstitutionally determines the status of Dreamers, their status is always fragile. Do it once, do it right, and deliver real justice to these kids.
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Easy to say, harder to do.
Congress under GOP leadership has shown nothing but cowardice in dealing with this issue. Where, specifically, is the Congressional legistlation to deal with this? They won't, because they need the red meet to throw to the NRA and Confederate flag-toting followers that help keep them in office.
While I agree that immigration laws should be followed, when Congress refuses to act I see nothing wrong, and everything right, with a President who decides to try to do the right thing absent of leadership.
Congress under GOP leadership has shown nothing but cowardice in dealing with this issue. Where, specifically, is the Congressional legistlation to deal with this? They won't, because they need the red meet to throw to the NRA and Confederate flag-toting followers that help keep them in office.
While I agree that immigration laws should be followed, when Congress refuses to act I see nothing wrong, and everything right, with a President who decides to try to do the right thing absent of leadership.
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Michjas, a no brainer would be to deport all illegals to discourage future illegals from coming here.
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The NY Times editorial on the subject of Trump’s DACA repeal ended with a statement “he doesn’t fully understand the scope of what he’s done.” This quip is true in more than one ways. Repeal of DACA is just one more thing Trump has done to sow an irreparable discord in the US. He oblivious to the fact that his divisive policies, actions and tweets are invariably leading to fracture in the society; and will would cause social, political and economic upheaval. Trump’s personal wealth and that of his family very much depends on the US staying a tranquil country with a humming economy. The result of his policies could cause social and political civil war and, god forbid, even an armed civil war between the right wing extremists and others. These conflicts would result in severely diminished prosperity in the US and possibly a depression. And who would want to spend money on expensive golf courses, high end hotels and resorts, and Ivanka Trump’s high priced goods? Very few, if any. NY Times editorial rightly concluded that “he doesn’t fully understand the scope of what he’s done.” Trump is not bright enough to comprehend the implications that what he has done and continues to do is hurting his own personal fortune and that of his family. That is called karma.
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It may be beyond Congress to pass a complete policy on immigration, but let them at least pass a clean DACA bill, incorporating all the points President Obama did by Executive Order. Much as I disagree with Donald Trump about just about everything, it's time to demand that Congress actually do something useful, and hold them accountable. Don't let them skate by with low expectations and keep their jobs while we are distracted with blaming Trump for everything.
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What if Congress doesn't want to pass a DACA bill?
What if Congress wants to pass the RAISE Act or get funding for a border wall or mandate E-Verify or start taxing remittances?
What if Congress wants to pass the RAISE Act or get funding for a border wall or mandate E-Verify or start taxing remittances?
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I think the people of America, not unreasonably, were expecting some sort of leadership from their President.
Ah well.
Ah well.
DACA, Harvey, it's all a smoke screen. Either each and every one of us sets down our separate interest and cooperates, or we all die. You cannot save yourself and live. This crisis is revelatory: potholes in our Constitution and our national character. The truth is not about you. The truth is about US. And "We" are failing.
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Didn't the Trumps say they came here from Sweden? Or didn't they come here from Germany? Why did they have to say they came from Sweden?
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What difference does it make? They didn't come in illegally, that's the point.
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Our economy needs not only people like the Dreamers, but also the contributions of their hard-working immigrant forebears. U.S. garnered its great wealth from cheap and unpaid labor. U.S. consumers get their cheap groceries from immigrant labor and their cheap goods at the box stores (and nearly everywhere else) from unregulated labor in China.
Is there a fairer way to do things for both people who were born here and those who arrived from the south? Yes, We could discourage future illegal child immigrations, and enforce existing labor laws going after businesses who utilize illegals. There are many things we could do to create a more equitable system.
But Congress won't commit to anything but divisive tactics to get them through the next election. Their lobbyists have relied heavily on this unregulated work force for decades.
DACA was born of a do-nothing Congress who refuse to take this on because it's too politically dicey. Obama acted when Congress would not. Obama also enforced our borders and laws and deported illegals in numbers exceeding all of his predecessors. But people need to believe the lies because it serves their lazy ideologies.
Congress will punt again and the nation can see the reality of deporting laborers that the U.S. economy needs. What should really happen is the immigrants should proactively strike. Rather than rely on the politicians who only care about their next election and not about doing what's best for everyone in the U.S.
Is there a fairer way to do things for both people who were born here and those who arrived from the south? Yes, We could discourage future illegal child immigrations, and enforce existing labor laws going after businesses who utilize illegals. There are many things we could do to create a more equitable system.
But Congress won't commit to anything but divisive tactics to get them through the next election. Their lobbyists have relied heavily on this unregulated work force for decades.
DACA was born of a do-nothing Congress who refuse to take this on because it's too politically dicey. Obama acted when Congress would not. Obama also enforced our borders and laws and deported illegals in numbers exceeding all of his predecessors. But people need to believe the lies because it serves their lazy ideologies.
Congress will punt again and the nation can see the reality of deporting laborers that the U.S. economy needs. What should really happen is the immigrants should proactively strike. Rather than rely on the politicians who only care about their next election and not about doing what's best for everyone in the U.S.
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If the price of approving DACA in Congress is to build "the wall", I say OK. Except the wall to be built only by unemployed white guys. Not likely, huh?!
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ozymandias why wouldn't white guys build the wall if they're paid a decent wage and not undercut by illegals?
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The planned deportation of 800,000 child immigrants can only be construed in one way: as 800,000 crimes against humanity.
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Cowardly and morally reprehensible act.
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Al B, what is cowardly and reprehensible is that this country has not enforced our immigration laws already on the books.
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Donald Trump - the son of an immigrant, married to two immigrants, and four of his children have mothers who are immigrants.
The man is a lousy hypocrite and coward and will always be so plus.
The man is a lousy hypocrite and coward and will always be so plus.
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"Donald Trump - the son of an immigrant, married to two immigrants, and four of his children have mothers who are immigrants"
Yes but all immigrants who came legally. .
Yes but all immigrants who came legally. .
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Along with all the other negative traits and descriptives, add this one:
Donald Trump is a sadist.
Donald Trump is a sadist.
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I didn't vote for Trump but I support ending DACA. DACA recipients didn't ask to be brought to the US but they also don't deserve to be getting jobs and university slots over American citizens. Sorry if that sounds harsh but that's the reality of life in the US now. This is not the 1900s where there are jobs for any able bodied immigrant. 3 of the 4 latest hires where I work are immigrant non-citizens including one that was very questionable hire bringing someone in from Hong Kong rather than US citizen. At some point, Americans have to question the amount of competition they are going to face for jobs with an endless number of immigrants coming to the US and expecting to be accommodated, legal or not. It's great that these DACA kids are doing well but there are plenty of American kids struggling. Why can't Apple hire 250 more American born kids instead of advocating for more foreign born employees? Where is the push for American kids to get jobs instead of foreigners.
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That's educational. Bill gates has gone to congress to talk about the importance of having an equitable education system. Foreigners, especially those who seek college degrees, come prepared to earn their degrees. The US education system, tracking, overpopulated, and underpaid teachers are all recipients of this unfair policy. Not the foreigners
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Oh brother.
LIsten. If so-called Americans can't compete for jobs maybe there's something lacking in THEM.
Did it occur to you that rewarding mediocrity is going to destroy this country?
LIsten. If so-called Americans can't compete for jobs maybe there's something lacking in THEM.
Did it occur to you that rewarding mediocrity is going to destroy this country?
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Why doesn't Apple hire more kids born in the USA? Maybe "American" kids need to spend more time learning how to code and less time taking selfies.
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I personally feel I am living in a foreign country.
I have known for sometime that democracy is fragile. It must be loved, and stood up for, and yes, fought for by citizens as if it were an innocent young child. There will always be the bad people who don't really want ALL PEOPLE TO BE EQUAL. Democracy is not a fairy tale. There is no happily ever after. We who care have our work cut out for us. And, we must tell our children that they too will have to take care of Democracy..as will their children.
I have known for sometime that democracy is fragile. It must be loved, and stood up for, and yes, fought for by citizens as if it were an innocent young child. There will always be the bad people who don't really want ALL PEOPLE TO BE EQUAL. Democracy is not a fairy tale. There is no happily ever after. We who care have our work cut out for us. And, we must tell our children that they too will have to take care of Democracy..as will their children.
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My brother is a DACA recipient and the program has transformed him into a confident, hard working, goal oriented individual. Only undocumented children can truly understand the dilemma of existing illegally in a land despite it being the only home they have ever known. We were taught to put our heads down, keep our voices hushed, and give up our rights even when harmed. More than a Social Security Number, DACA granted these kids the right to exist. Dignity. How can you give them their first breath of air only to take it away as quickly has they've taken it?
I am not a beneficiary of DACA but married my Canadian husband just months before DACA launched. I have been banned from re-entering the USA for having overstayed a Visa when I was eight years old. I haven't seen my brother in the 4 years since I left for Canada.
I am not a beneficiary of DACA but married my Canadian husband just months before DACA launched. I have been banned from re-entering the USA for having overstayed a Visa when I was eight years old. I haven't seen my brother in the 4 years since I left for Canada.
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I find it infuriating that Jeff Sessions, Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon, all three rabid anti-immigration, were able to convince Trump to terminate DACA in order to deliver the promises made to the white nationalist "base."
In my opinion Trump is fearful of not being re-elected if he loses his dwindling 34% base. So he accepted the advise of these white nationalist trio even though a 66% majority of Americans, the business community, most politicians of both parties and religious leaders are in favor of retaining DACA.
Also, the promise that Trump would not touch Medicaid, and that everyone would be covered by Trumpcare was not kept by him. So Trump is selective as to what promises he keeps. Appeasing the white nationalists seems to be his number one priority, Sessions. Miller and Bannon have undue influence in the country's policies in favor of white nationalists and xenophobes to the detriment of the rest of the American population,.
In my opinion Trump is fearful of not being re-elected if he loses his dwindling 34% base. So he accepted the advise of these white nationalist trio even though a 66% majority of Americans, the business community, most politicians of both parties and religious leaders are in favor of retaining DACA.
Also, the promise that Trump would not touch Medicaid, and that everyone would be covered by Trumpcare was not kept by him. So Trump is selective as to what promises he keeps. Appeasing the white nationalists seems to be his number one priority, Sessions. Miller and Bannon have undue influence in the country's policies in favor of white nationalists and xenophobes to the detriment of the rest of the American population,.
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To Trump it's all about 'ratings'. The man is still acting as a reality show host.
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He has alienated two thirds of the nation, Congress, the business community and the international community. All he has left is his 'base' and that must be protected at all costs.
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Here is an interesting and disturbing question well worth pondering:
In the last 7 months since the Inauguration of President Trump and the actions of the Republican Congress, how many Americans and other people have had their lives damaged, risked or threatened by attempted or successful actions by the above to:
*Lose Health Insurance/Health Care Coverage.
*lose Medicare/Medicaid coverage
* Go to Jail/Remain in Jail
*Be Deported, including dreamers
*Cut or Removed Immigration intake or specific Nationalities/Religion
* Cut or stopped Humanitarian/Refugee Intake.
*Endangered Health by Relaxing/Removal of Environmental Protections.
*Humanitarian Intake halted or Decreased.
*Denial of Worker Protections and Wages by States to County/Municipal
*Cut and/or end Budgets to support groups and programs for poor/children/unemployed/addicted.
*Weaken Consumer Protections and Safety
*Strengthen Corporate control and activity against Employees
...and many others including consequences and those affected by pulling out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
Specifically, How many Americans alone have been threatened , targeted, affected or risked by Trump and Republicans in the last 7 months so far?
I don't know but can confidently that it is:
* More than 25 MILLION American Citizens (Much More)
* More than the number of people that voted for Trump.
I wonder exactly how many people have/would be adversely affected by Trump and Republicans if they had had things their way?
In the last 7 months since the Inauguration of President Trump and the actions of the Republican Congress, how many Americans and other people have had their lives damaged, risked or threatened by attempted or successful actions by the above to:
*Lose Health Insurance/Health Care Coverage.
*lose Medicare/Medicaid coverage
* Go to Jail/Remain in Jail
*Be Deported, including dreamers
*Cut or Removed Immigration intake or specific Nationalities/Religion
* Cut or stopped Humanitarian/Refugee Intake.
*Endangered Health by Relaxing/Removal of Environmental Protections.
*Humanitarian Intake halted or Decreased.
*Denial of Worker Protections and Wages by States to County/Municipal
*Cut and/or end Budgets to support groups and programs for poor/children/unemployed/addicted.
*Weaken Consumer Protections and Safety
*Strengthen Corporate control and activity against Employees
...and many others including consequences and those affected by pulling out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
Specifically, How many Americans alone have been threatened , targeted, affected or risked by Trump and Republicans in the last 7 months so far?
I don't know but can confidently that it is:
* More than 25 MILLION American Citizens (Much More)
* More than the number of people that voted for Trump.
I wonder exactly how many people have/would be adversely affected by Trump and Republicans if they had had things their way?
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You know, a personal observation I have mad is that if there is a "low road" and a "high road" President Trump can always be counted on to take the low road. And I mean in every decision he makes.
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Another example of how immense a loss America suffered because Clinton could not beat Trump and protect/extend a progressive legacy that Obama got underway. She deserves a lot more criticism than she receives for losing such a winnable election.
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Clinton deserves criticism, not only for losing the election, but for running. Having been beaten by a first-term Senator in 2008, she should have drawn the inevitable conclusion: her time is past. And that in politics, it's nobody's 'turn'. Deserve's got nothing to do with it.
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I know you all agree, but I'm just feeling prouder and prouder and prouder and PROUDER to be an American these days.
Sometimes you can't hold back.
Sometimes you can't hold back.
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Congress should send a very strong signal to the Trump and Jeff Sessions. Green Card for all undocumented people who have not committed a felony. All people regardless of age, gender, country of origin, skin color and religion.
All undocumented people need to come out of the shadows of society and live freely.
All undocumented people need to come out of the shadows of society and live freely.
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An oligarchy pretending to be a democracy will always tend towards lots of political solutions but few truly systemic solutions designed to serve "people power" i.e. the true engine of any nation. However, the Law of Cause and Effect is not amused! That's because in a true democracy there are no "others" only Self! which means that the principles of democracy, being a Universal Template of Nature, cannot merely serve a single nation- for borders are meaningless to its paradigm. This is why borders are really meaningless in the big picture; for if one takes notice, the elites are never seen complaining about illegal aliens- only the bewildered herd known as voters who may have never read the Declaration of Independence- but if so, never understood its Universal meaning.
This is where Trump- "the boy grown tall", as Jane Elliot described him, along with his Alabamian cohort, who have conspired to argue against Nature itself under the pretext of defending our relativistic "the rule of law". But what about the immutable Rule of Universal Law! which this nation supposed to founded upon? But how would "a boy grown tall" know this despite standing in proximity to the Great Seal on a daily basis? Doesn't he know that if it were possible- that eagle would be laughing so hard to keep from crying?
This is where Trump- "the boy grown tall", as Jane Elliot described him, along with his Alabamian cohort, who have conspired to argue against Nature itself under the pretext of defending our relativistic "the rule of law". But what about the immutable Rule of Universal Law! which this nation supposed to founded upon? But how would "a boy grown tall" know this despite standing in proximity to the Great Seal on a daily basis? Doesn't he know that if it were possible- that eagle would be laughing so hard to keep from crying?
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So how will this latest faux pas from the hapless Trump administration play out? Here's what Ratna Omidvar, a Canadian Senator from Ontario, had to say in noting how the beneficiaries of the DACA program are exactly the kind of immigrants Canada should be pursuing for its economic migrant program: "These individuals speak fluent English, they've been educated in the U.S., most of them have been to college or university, some of them have work experience, and they understand the North American working culture. On top of that, in order to qualify to be a 'Dreamer' you have to have biometrics testing, you have to have a criminality check. check. So this is America's loss but it could be Canada's gain."
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Why is there never a mention, a condemnation of the businesses that enticed the parents of the Dreamers, employing them, making their profits off the Dreamers' parents backs?
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Yes! That was St. Reagan's promise when he gave amnesty back in 1986. It became illegal for businesses to hire undocumented workers. But it was never enforced. What is with the Republicans?
I'm Caucasian, lived and worked in California with Dreamers' parents in the eighties in orange groves, working for a Sunkist grower and believe me, his workforce didn't answer an add in the paper or visit any local employment organization looking to land a job. They were part of a network that had been in place for decades and decades. Busloads of field hands worked a circuit that traveled throughout our country emptying fields seasonally, all the while, some, if not most, here illegally. The Republicans are parasitic at best when it comes to their wants and needs. End of story.
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What kind of man purposely and unnecessarily disrupts the lives of 800,000 productive young people who are in the United States because their parents moved them here when they were children? How does this cruel and uncaring President not see the ultimate damage of his unconscionable act? I'm tired of this incompetent person and this scattershot administration. He takes twisted joy in making the world and the people who live in it uncomfortable, and it's despicable.
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Either way, Trump wins big time. If Congress does manage to write and pass immigration policy, the President has already deeply satisfied his supporters, probably enjoyed ringside seats to the spectacle of Congressmen burning their political capital on a divisive issue, and can even claim a "win" based on the propaganda foundation being laid now of his "agonizing". (Is this Ivanka's touch? To claim moral credits on the opposite side of your actual actions?) Or if, by March, Congress doesn't succeed, Trump has 800,000 hostages to exchange for a boarder wall or anything else he fancies. Spring is a good time to start major construction.
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The Republicans in congress already failed the Dreamers when they wouldn't pass the Dream Act. This was the Republicans traditional hatred of immigrants and "brown" people. The position of the Republican Party is already well established on this. Trump just did what his Party wanted.
This is what happens when you elect people who like the klan to power.
We can hope that their are enough Republicans with enough humanity to buck their party. Pass the Dream Act now. Do what respects the basic human dignity that all the Dreamers deserve, and many more immigrants on top of that. Make it a starting point, not the end.
Trump is a coward. An inhumane narcissist who cares only about the size of his crowds. The Republican Party is his party. For those people like Senators John McCain and Corey Gardner, If this is not the party you feel it is that you signed up to, now is the time for the courage and the leadership to take it from what it is and make it something better. Don't be Trump, Don't be McConnell or Ryan, make the Republican party great again, so that despite Trump, America can be.
This is what happens when you elect people who like the klan to power.
We can hope that their are enough Republicans with enough humanity to buck their party. Pass the Dream Act now. Do what respects the basic human dignity that all the Dreamers deserve, and many more immigrants on top of that. Make it a starting point, not the end.
Trump is a coward. An inhumane narcissist who cares only about the size of his crowds. The Republican Party is his party. For those people like Senators John McCain and Corey Gardner, If this is not the party you feel it is that you signed up to, now is the time for the courage and the leadership to take it from what it is and make it something better. Don't be Trump, Don't be McConnell or Ryan, make the Republican party great again, so that despite Trump, America can be.
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Any principled humanist or humanitarian, should one exist in the party of r, would have no choice but to leave the party.
The funniest thing in this tricky balancing act of Donald Trump is how he again shifted the difficult decision to Congress, once again putting the Republicans in a stupid position :)
Trump, as always, strive to avoid personal RESPONSIBILITY! :)
... although it is quite obvious that for a real solution to US immigration problems, one should recall the "Marshall Plan" for the reconstruction of Europe ... and spend money not on deporting illegal children and the fabulously expensive construction of a stupid Wall on the border with Mexico, but on a similar Marshall Plan package of Investments in the Economy of these countries and in helping them with the construction of a Democratic political order - so that the inhabitants of Mexico and the countries of Central America would not be meaningful to seek job in the USA!
Trump, as always, strive to avoid personal RESPONSIBILITY! :)
... although it is quite obvious that for a real solution to US immigration problems, one should recall the "Marshall Plan" for the reconstruction of Europe ... and spend money not on deporting illegal children and the fabulously expensive construction of a stupid Wall on the border with Mexico, but on a similar Marshall Plan package of Investments in the Economy of these countries and in helping them with the construction of a Democratic political order - so that the inhabitants of Mexico and the countries of Central America would not be meaningful to seek job in the USA!
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FAKE WORDS: " he was driven by a concern for “the millions of Americans victimized by this unfair system.”" Everything 45 says are FAKE WORDS.
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This president wouldn't know the right thing to do, the moral thing to do, the ethical thing to do - ever. My grandparents came here from Russia and Poland. They had 14 children. They all worked hard and raised families of their own. When her children got older and she could afford it, before social media, and tv charity shows, my grandmother"buptcha" would collect clothing, food, medicines, money and take a ship from NY to Poland. She sewed the medicines and whatever else she could in the seams and hems of her clothes. She would bring them to her family and others in need there. She would go as far as I can remember each year. Crossing into communistic countries. These trips were not easy. She would be ashamed of her adopted country now. Selfish is something she never was. Do we have enough to eat? Clothes? Homes? What more do you need? Not want. Need. What are they taking from you? Do you want to roof a house in 90 degrees, mow lawns, pick fruit, can you not go to school ? Apply for jobs? Attend college? Better yourselves? It takes drive and effort. Its there. They have learned that.
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There are many "dreamers" at colleges and universities especially the more competitive ones. Since admissions are not all based on academics you can bet there are dreamers for "diversity" taking slots that would have gone to US citizens.
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'... you can bet ...' That is the typical type of argument brought forward by your ilk. Without a single shred of evidence or data, just a hunch. Deplorable.
Where is the Democratic response? Where are the billboards? Where are the speakers? If you want to know why Republicans win it is because Democratic
politicians stand around doing NOTHING! Fraidy cats is what we used to call
people who couldn't respond to provocations.
politicians stand around doing NOTHING! Fraidy cats is what we used to call
people who couldn't respond to provocations.
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Trump and his followers are touched by the inferior demons of their nature.
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Jeff Sessions, the Jeff Sessions who lied about meeting with Russians lecturing people on the law is really rich. He has been taking heat from Trump for weeks and now he is as close to a little swelled up frog as you can get - look at his pictures in the NYT. Where could such a source of such sour hatred come from??
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Imagine being 26, having grown up here, gone to college and gotten jobs, paid taxes and been a good citizen only to find that because of the GOP racism you are suddenly going to be exiled to countries you know nothing about? The cruelty of the Trump administration and the complicit GOP knows no bounds. History will forever remember your racism with absolute shame.
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How can it be racism when legal Mexican / Latino immigrants are welcomed? Try googling legal and illegal.
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i think this will go down in history as among the cruellest acts of an american president. (thinking slavery, genocide of indians and rounding up of japanese-americans as the nadir of our democratic experiment.) this has got to be fourth or fifth and it is, no surprise, based in the same racism that caused the foregoing three holocausts.
shame on you, donald trump.
shame on you, donald trump.
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It's scary that you are able to vote if you are comparing removal of protected status from a subset of illegal immigrants to slavery, genocide and incarceration of citizens.
Perhaps you should think about what slavery is and what genocide is.
Possibly sending illegal immigrants home isn't slavery or genocide.
Perhaps you should think about what slavery is and what genocide is.
Possibly sending illegal immigrants home isn't slavery or genocide.
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Dream on your own time and money.
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These are good, hard working American kids. Maybe you don't understand DACA or have the first clue who the Dreamers are.
They work or study. Some are in the military. Some are first responders. They pay billions of dollars a year in taxes. They are NOT eligible for government benefits.
Nobody is taking your money or your time.
They work or study. Some are in the military. Some are first responders. They pay billions of dollars a year in taxes. They are NOT eligible for government benefits.
Nobody is taking your money or your time.
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Sophia, And these DACA 'kids', who are now technically adults, were not given a dime of US taxpayer's money for their educations, medical care, housing, food, etc.? I think not.
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Best comment I've seen so far (courtesy of CherryBombEMag on IG):
"Keep the Children, Deport the Racists"
"Keep the Children, Deport the Racists"
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Brother. Trump has all the empathy of an axe murderer. Hopefully he'll parlay his declining popularity to a landslide loss in 2020. I'd love to see him cry.
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Once again, the Times and its readers see a glass that is 80% full and choose to concentrate on the 20% that is empty.
The "Dreamers" were relying on an Executive Order that many, if not most, Constitutional scholars believe is illegal, and is now under challenge in the courts. Of course, as an EO, it could be reversed with the signing of a pen, with no further due process or grounds for appeal.
If Dreamers really want to have a secure future, they need to be able to rely on a legal status put into law by Congress. That opportunity now exists. If Congress fails to act, then the President will have one more opportunity to take whatever action he deems appropriate and necessary.
Elsewhere, the Times describes the President as a coward in his action today. No, the real coward is Congress if it fails to act. The overwhelming majority of Democrats, and many Republicans, voice their support for DACA. So why not put it into law, giving it a more legitimate and difficult to reverse than a mere Executive Orderz
The President is giving the Dreamers a shot at a Warranty Deed on their right to remain in this country. At best, they now have a Quitclaim Deed on a future in America.
The "Dreamers" were relying on an Executive Order that many, if not most, Constitutional scholars believe is illegal, and is now under challenge in the courts. Of course, as an EO, it could be reversed with the signing of a pen, with no further due process or grounds for appeal.
If Dreamers really want to have a secure future, they need to be able to rely on a legal status put into law by Congress. That opportunity now exists. If Congress fails to act, then the President will have one more opportunity to take whatever action he deems appropriate and necessary.
Elsewhere, the Times describes the President as a coward in his action today. No, the real coward is Congress if it fails to act. The overwhelming majority of Democrats, and many Republicans, voice their support for DACA. So why not put it into law, giving it a more legitimate and difficult to reverse than a mere Executive Orderz
The President is giving the Dreamers a shot at a Warranty Deed on their right to remain in this country. At best, they now have a Quitclaim Deed on a future in America.
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Oh, you have got to be kidding. Congress? You know the sorry Repub's that run that circus. Ah, the Constitution! A last refuge. What is all the talk about pre-emptitive strikes against North Korea? Constitutional? I'd say not, but I'm sure it's fine with you. Look -- if we REALLY wanted to control immigration, we'd prosecute employers (JOB CREATORS??) who employ them. Somehow, that is not being done. Hm?
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Yet another person without faith in, or support of , the Constitution. How about the courts? If DACA is declared illegal, what is your plan B?
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"There are two sides of a story. It's always tough." Hmmm, sounds familiar. What are the two sides? Generosity and compassion versus racism and cruelty. Wow, that's a tough one. And you know Trump didn't agonize for one second over this. He just pardoned Sheriff "Joe," a man who deprived so many latinos of their constitutional rights. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it? How can we possibly have a civilized debate about this? I have worked with many, many DACA students and they are the ones that allow us to see the hope and promise of the next generation. This reader is sick, disgusted, depressed and feeling utterly hopeless. But as a Californian, I know Trump is just wishing us an earthquake. With him as leader of this new fascist country, I can help but hope my TV will crush me. Better than one more day of him.
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It would seem that Trump either does not understand or does not care that the vast majority of Americans strongly believe that the words inscribed on what is recognized world-wide as a symbol of America represent basic American values. Deport young people who came here as children and have done nothing wrong, and announce this plan just weeks after speaking up on behalf of Nazis? Talk about destroying the American Dream and replacing it with a nightmare....
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Had nothing done wrong? breaking the law by coming here illegally is not wrong? people are waiting for years and years to get legal status, even after they are married to a US citizen. It is a shame that obeying the law is no longer a virtue, and we are idolizing people who play the system, come here illegally, study here illegally, all on our taxes. Nothing is free, somebody's got to pay for it. It is not fair to all the legal immigrants to just let some people in illegally. Where do you draw the line? which group do you want to bring in next? there will be no basic American values left to talk about if the laws are not respected.
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Evetke they were CHILDREN, they did not break the laws.
What's wrong with you anyway? This is a huge country with a relatively low population and a low birth rate. The Dreamers pay taxes. Everybody who works, buys things, pays taxes. Nobody is getting away with anything here. The Dreamers aren't eligible for benefits yet they pay billions a year in taxes. They risk their lives in the military and as first responders.
What are you afraid of exactly?
What's wrong with you anyway? This is a huge country with a relatively low population and a low birth rate. The Dreamers pay taxes. Everybody who works, buys things, pays taxes. Nobody is getting away with anything here. The Dreamers aren't eligible for benefits yet they pay billions a year in taxes. They risk their lives in the military and as first responders.
What are you afraid of exactly?
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Sophia, perhaps Evetke is afraid this country will turn into a third world banana republic where laws are not obeyed.
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I think legislation that provides a path to legalization for these people can be achieved if the democrats can achieve a compromise. Funding for the wall comes to mind, I think it would be a fair compromise, a bill that provides status for dreamers and some funding for wall, this may be something Trump can get on board with. I hope they can reach some sort of compromise.
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Translation-You fund my wall, which I lied about and said "Mexico will pay for it" or I'll deport these innocent kids and people.
That sounds about right!
That sounds about right!
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Oh yeah, the wall would really be a great project to improve our infrastructure... NOT!! We don't need no wall.
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Democrats will now have to do something they didn't do under Obama. Compromise. Trump isn't an ideologue as Obama was, so, hopefully, there will be more room to strike a deal this time.
Congress is not competing with this president, as it did with Obama and his significant spin machine. Trump wants a deal and has signaled that he's open to different ideas. He doesn't seem to care from which party they come. He's quite apolitical when it comes to political party.
Congress is not competing with this president, as it did with Obama and his significant spin machine. Trump wants a deal and has signaled that he's open to different ideas. He doesn't seem to care from which party they come. He's quite apolitical when it comes to political party.
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You are quite the joker with your revisionist history. It is delusional to think Trump "compromises". He does lie a lot. He lied to these young folks as well.
The whole reason there was even a DACA to begin with was the constipated GOP Congress, who refused to work with the president to do anything on immigration.
The whole reason there was even a DACA to begin with was the constipated GOP Congress, who refused to work with the president to do anything on immigration.
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AACNY must be living in an alternate universe, in which history can be rewritten. (Or in a dictatorship, where that regularly is the case.) It was the party of r. that blocked the Obama presidency at every possible move.
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A lot of people here are arguing that this was always the job of Congress and that's true, but Congress has not solved it and it is wrong to punish the victims of their incompetence.
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It doesn't make sense that anybody can just walk in there and claim legal status. Why have immigration laws, if they are not enforced? instead, we could have legal routes and opportunities and bring in young, educated people as opposed to those that need welfare. Canada and Australia have point-based immigration system, that is education and merit based. Maybe it is time to follow suit.
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Despite the hysteria over this issue in the media, all that is happening here is a recognition that Obama's DACA order was illegal and unconstitutional. All that will happen in 6 months (assuming Congress does nothing) is a return to status quo ante, which means that very few if any of these people will be deported.
This problem is a Congressional responsibility. Congress needs to fix this problem with permanent legislation.
This problem is a Congressional responsibility. Congress needs to fix this problem with permanent legislation.
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In case someone forgets the "details" about DACA:
To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[27] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.
Aren't there better approaches than to focus on them? They seem to be better vetted than a lot of the 535 people in Congress.
To be eligible, illegal immigrants must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship,[27] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.
Aren't there better approaches than to focus on them? They seem to be better vetted than a lot of the 535 people in Congress.
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It's almost embarrassing the extent to which the Dreamers sell themselves short. Their parents, many of whom never even made it past the 3rd grade, were able to infiltrate the most powerful nation on earth and subsist on the most meager of wages. By contrast, the Dreamers are more educated and more cosmopolitan. They should do just fine in their home countries (i.e. the ones on their birth certificates). Alas, we are talking about Millennials. THAT'S a big part of the problem.
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Man. This is their HOME. What's wrong with you.
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Sophia, don't you think these kids should make their third world birth countries better? If they won't do it, who else will?
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Sophia, They and their parents have technically and illegally overstayed their time here. Time for them to return and reapply to re-enter, you know, the proper way. Jumping the queue is wrong.
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The President as Chief Executive has the prosecutorial discretion to defer prosecution against one class of criminal, and then enforce the law against another class. It is often a question of resources, especially among the Feds, who just do not prosecute all possible cases of any category.
Still, that leaves the Dreamers as criminals whose prosecution and removal has been deferred, for two years in this case. That is hardly a good position, except in comparison to even more immediate action. They are still waiting for the sword to fall on them.
We need a real fix for them. Only Congress can do that. It has been asked to do so repeatedly, and failed repeatedly.
Obama temporized with DACA, but it is just a very temporary fix, a patch on a broken system.
Blow it all up and dump the mess on Congress with a short fuze is a very harsh method that puts the most vulnerable at most risk. I do not approve the method, but the idea that Congress must fix this, must be made to fix this, that I do support.
Still, that leaves the Dreamers as criminals whose prosecution and removal has been deferred, for two years in this case. That is hardly a good position, except in comparison to even more immediate action. They are still waiting for the sword to fall on them.
We need a real fix for them. Only Congress can do that. It has been asked to do so repeatedly, and failed repeatedly.
Obama temporized with DACA, but it is just a very temporary fix, a patch on a broken system.
Blow it all up and dump the mess on Congress with a short fuze is a very harsh method that puts the most vulnerable at most risk. I do not approve the method, but the idea that Congress must fix this, must be made to fix this, that I do support.
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The entire issue could be laid to rest by issuing green cards to the entire group, and granting citizenshio to the children under the 14th Amendment. Those howling for their deportaion haven't a clue as to how negatively doing so will impact their lives - beginning with turning the GOP out of office in 2018.
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Sez someone living in Japan. Where there are hardly any foreigners, refugees or illegal aliens.
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So if Trump has these people deported does their country of "origin" have to take them back if they don't have papers or could Mexico for example say they are refugees fleeing Trumps America and ship them back across the border.
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The most important documents we all need to see are Don the Con's tax returns, so we can see how truly unfit he is to remain in office. We can then look forward to the results of multiple investigations by Mueller et al to see if he should be deported out of the White House to prison.
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Why nobody has leaked those documents is beyond me.
This guy is the Joker of Batman movies!! Cruel and sadistic. He is an insecure guy who wants to show his manliness on the weak. However when he is in front of the Chinese, Russian or even Kim Jong the bully he cowers for cover.
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Aside from being a proponent of American Nazism and White Supremacy, the American President has essentially launched a program of ethnic cleansing. This began with the Muslim ban, the Wall, Charlottesville, immigration "reform", and now the dismantling of DACA. The worst is yet to come. No American should underestimate the peril our country is heading for. Each day incrementally brings us closer to a "new" normal in which recalling what our nation was once like will be as much of a forgotten past as what it was like before computers and cell phones.
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Unless you are Native American, we are all here illegally.
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I was born here. I am a native American. The European civilized North American.
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Apparently the European is sneered upon by Trumpists, as the majority there cares about the welfare for all.
TPB, Believe me I'd return to the native country of my grandparents if they'd let me. But they have strict immigration laws in Scandinavia. Stop this statement it is ignorant.
1
Look up the Wagner-Rogers bill proposed in 1939
to admit children escaping Nazi Germany
to the United States. It would have
increased the quota of immigrants by admitting
10,000 to 30,000 children, similar to a special
measure that allowed 10,000 unaccompanied children
into Britain after Kristallnacht.
Critics charged that any breach of the immigration
quota was a step towards unrestricted immigration.
Vicious anti-semitism made politicians afraid to touch
the bill, President Roosevelt backed off...the bill was
not even brought to a vote. Here we are 78 years later,
our hearts still shriveled.
to admit children escaping Nazi Germany
to the United States. It would have
increased the quota of immigrants by admitting
10,000 to 30,000 children, similar to a special
measure that allowed 10,000 unaccompanied children
into Britain after Kristallnacht.
Critics charged that any breach of the immigration
quota was a step towards unrestricted immigration.
Vicious anti-semitism made politicians afraid to touch
the bill, President Roosevelt backed off...the bill was
not even brought to a vote. Here we are 78 years later,
our hearts still shriveled.
7
If only that dyspeptic Stephen Miller knows this fact.
The hatred, meanness and nothingness of this president is frankly repulsive.
12
Whose idea was it to call them "Dreamers"? Clever marketing. Those same people should be pressed as to why 20% never graduate high school and why 20% have no education beyond high school and no plans for college (according to Harvard study).
"Mythical" might be a more apt description of the person being portrayed.
"Mythical" might be a more apt description of the person being portrayed.
13
9 of 10 pay taxes, are in school or the US Military. The estimated loss of revenue for a decade from these folks is about 300 billion.
Trump folks probably enjoy bailing Trump out of his multiple bankruptcies and paying millions to guard his palaces but for most people it is a better use of time and money to recoup our money from people we educated and who actually PAY their taxes.
Trump folks probably enjoy bailing Trump out of his multiple bankruptcies and paying millions to guard his palaces but for most people it is a better use of time and money to recoup our money from people we educated and who actually PAY their taxes.
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Maybe if you had the faintest idea about the disadvantages many of these kids have when coming into our public schools -- and which many of our school systems do precious little to remediate -- and the difficulties they face trying to complete their education while trying to meet responsibilities at home (like taking care of siblings while their parents are struggling to make enough money to support the family) you might have a bit more understanding of their situation.
As it happens, not one of the students who failed to graduate from my school in the Bronx was a Dreamer. And one of the most impressive, hardest-working, and highly motivated students I've worked with in the past eight years was, in fact, a Dreamer. And, yes: she's in college now, and doing quite well. That's not marketing. That's fact.
As it happens, not one of the students who failed to graduate from my school in the Bronx was a Dreamer. And one of the most impressive, hardest-working, and highly motivated students I've worked with in the past eight years was, in fact, a Dreamer. And, yes: she's in college now, and doing quite well. That's not marketing. That's fact.
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The Dems tried to keep Elian Gonzales in this country. The Republican response is to deport 800,000. Let them own this. In the end, they will have to put the equivalent back in place. This is typical of the Republicans. They do what everyone knows is wrong anyway only to have to reverse course in the end. Fortunantely, this will probably destroy the party. There are enough good people here to see the ugly truth of some very nasty people who should not be called American.
2
I would not be the educated, financially secure, law-abiding, tax-paying American citizen I am were it not for a man and woman somewhere across the ocean who sent their two young sons -- Robert and Caleb Carr -- unaccompanied to this country in 1635. Caleb, my great x 12 grandfather was just 11 when he arrived in Boston. Parents want the best for their children and for generations that has meant getting them to the United States. And neither Trump nor his wall nor lack of Congressional action will stop that.
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It doesn't make sense and it shows Trump being a poor businessman. One of these days the majority of the 11, 800,000 undocumented are going to be self-sufficient, educated, taxpayers, and most importantly, consumers.
Trump and sessions, do you really want to lose a ton of customers?
Trump and sessions, do you really want to lose a ton of customers?
2
Sadly, I think these young people, whom it seems cruel to deport, are the victims of our collective over-protection of illegal immigrants, and the tendency of many to conflate "immigrant" with "illegal immigrant." If previous administrations/legislators had had the ability to develop useful immigration reform that would be more effective in clarifying immigration laws, deterring illegal immigration and/or enforcing immigration laws, it is quite possible that there would not now be a perception that these young Dreamers don't deserve protection, or deserve to stay in this county. In the same way that contempt for the white working class led to the rise of Trump, the left's refusal to acknowledge the difference between illegal and legal immigration may lead to unfortunate consequences for many.
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I think we can assume that
any action that we deeply feel
is humanitarian, progressive,
liberal, kind, and decent will be
met by an opposing front called
Trump. Pragmatic thought will
not be a factor. Human rights, forget
about it. Arts, sciences, research, medical,
and educational funding will be hard fought
to sustain. Mean politics will rule.
Nightmares, not dreams or dreamers.
It is sickening to contemplate.
any action that we deeply feel
is humanitarian, progressive,
liberal, kind, and decent will be
met by an opposing front called
Trump. Pragmatic thought will
not be a factor. Human rights, forget
about it. Arts, sciences, research, medical,
and educational funding will be hard fought
to sustain. Mean politics will rule.
Nightmares, not dreams or dreamers.
It is sickening to contemplate.
2
How laughable is this move of Trump who branded himself as a savvy businessman: walk away from the investment one has made at the time when return starts to pay off!
2
He was never a savvy businessman. His intellect got in the way of that. What he lacks in the upstairs he has made up in criminal and threatening behavior to make money illegally.
What is the purpose for constantly attacking the decisions of previous elected presidents, with vague words, no decisive plan, no call for unity and understanding? How can a democracy function when no government policy can be counted on?
IMPEACH DONALD TRJMP.
IMPEACH DONALD TRJMP.
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Once again this goes back to our dysfunctional congress. If congress had done the hard work of passing comprehensive immigration the last 15 years instead of political grandstanding and listening to the most extreme of their members we would not be where we are. Trump is a problem no doubt. He is an inconsistent thinker and extremely chaotic but he is fast becoming irrelevant. The ball in is congress' court. It's about time they start playing ball.
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The Executive doesn't have the power to change immigration, so Trump is simply saying that he is handing the issue to the Congress, where it belongs. No President should be able to skirt Congress or the Judiciary. Neither Obama nor Trump can proclaim amnesty. Now we all have to contact our Congressman and make our feelings known. We have six months.
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So let me get this straight. Joe Arpaio was tried and convicted for civil rights violation and for violating a federal judge's order, and Trump thinks he can bypass this judicial process and pardon Arpaio even before his official sentencing.
Yet he is all about Rule of Law the next day against immigrant children?
Seriously who is deserving more of a pardon? Answer is NO ONE.
These minors can't be pardoned because unlawwful presence is a civil offense, a fact the willful ignorant perpetually refuse to believe.
Yet he is all about Rule of Law the next day against immigrant children?
Seriously who is deserving more of a pardon? Answer is NO ONE.
These minors can't be pardoned because unlawwful presence is a civil offense, a fact the willful ignorant perpetually refuse to believe.
3
Citizens learned a long time ago not to trust and rely on the government. It's time for illegals to do the same. Just remember next time maybe those calls for limited government involvement aren't so bad after all. This isn't a Republican Democrat, Trump Obama issue. They're all players in the same team. Different sides of the same coin.
1
We are a nation of laws, not decrees. Trump is simply forcing Congress to pass a law.
6
What a cop out. Let's hear you say that next time Trump engages in overreach of executive power.
3
Remember, this is not Trump or Sessions, this is Republican Party policy.
4
The vast majority of Dreamers are too nice to do this.
But I wouldn't blame any Dreamer who used her or his knowledge of English and U.S. culture to help the drug lords destroy us.
Because we certainly deserve to be destroyed.
But I wouldn't blame any Dreamer who used her or his knowledge of English and U.S. culture to help the drug lords destroy us.
Because we certainly deserve to be destroyed.
That's a horrible opinion in many ways.
4
So the "dreamers" are here illegally and somehow it's the US' fault? No the "dreamers" need to take up the issue with their parents. They're reponsible.
7
If only the majority of the eight hundred thousand DACA young men and young women surnames were Collins, O Brien, Kelly, Murray,, Ryan, Shea, or Smith. We wouldn't be having this debate....
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7
With all the hue and cry over "the law" and "the constitution"...less than a week or so after pardoning a sheriff who was convicted of spitting on and trampling all over it...Trump could solve "his anguish" over "the children'" by the same method he used there...pardon them all.
6
Just curious what is this pure breed that Trump's base finds entitled? Most Americans are a culturally mixed today. Enlighten us on who exactly are the chosen ones?
1
are shotgun politics the only policy mr trump has to offer?
1
This president abuses everyone he comes in contact with; is it any surprise that he abuses these children too? Shame on him and all his enablers.
4
The most telling thing is that he was too much of a coward to make the call, and so left it to Sessions; wait 6 months and see if he doesn't claim it was all Sessions' idea as he throws him under the bus. "Pussilanimous" may not be the right word, but it's the first word that can be printed that comes to mind.
4
Elected Republicans must be joyous because Trump, Pence and Sessions are giving many of them what they have been campaigning on for years. They're stripping rights away from LGBT Americans, pardoning racist sheriffs, cheering on "good people" white supremacists and KKK members, and throwing brown people out of the country. Making America great again for white, straight, evangelical and bigoted citizens? But what about all the rest of us? By their continued refusal take action and offer more than the toothless "I politely disagree with the president" press statements, Republicans are telling the rest of us to go to heck.
2
These 800,000 undocumented foreign nationals faced uncertainty long before Trump ever announced his candidacy. They faced it the second their parents paid coyotes to smuggle them across international borders. Indeed, we all face uncertainty the day we are born. That's life.
11
If only the "Dreamers" were Neo Nazis, then Trump would have readily issued a flurry of executive orders allowing them to stay, and protest on federal lands---all without even needing a permit.
1
Trump punches down again!
7
Rationally speaking, its hard to disagree with President Trump on this( I am the opposite of his 'base')
Immigration as a policy has to be formulated by the Congress,not by Presidential decrees.
Immigration as a policy has to be formulated by the Congress,not by Presidential decrees.
9
Congress abdicated its responsibilities!
1
Simple fact - writing laws in the job of Congress, not the President - and would you want this President to be writing any laws? Let's not criticize Trump for the one thing that he has gotten right.
And hopefully, Congress will come up with a decent law; one that is not mean spirited, while at the same time recognizing that uncontrolled immigration is an unworkable situation.
And hopefully, Congress will come up with a decent law; one that is not mean spirited, while at the same time recognizing that uncontrolled immigration is an unworkable situation.
14
I don't support the revocation of this act, and I don't like Trump, yet the glaring hypocrisy of both parties on this issue is equally revolting. For three decades, our government has refused to enforce the immigrigation laws on the books; our "answer" has been to enforce immigration laws for those who choose to try to follow them and not enforce them for those who don't. Then, every 10 years, a politician comes up with some "act" to just legalize everyone here. Meanwhile all of those who tried to follow the law are in their native countries, still waiting their turn.
The Democratic response? "Have compassion." "Don't be racist." What about all the other people -- many minorities -- who applied and didn't get in? Don't they count? The Democratic/liberal stance on this issue is extraordinarily subversive.
If we want to get rid of immigration laws, get rid of immigration laws. If we want to change them, change them. But the ghastly mess we've been operating is enough to turn anyone's stomach, and laws do need to be enforced.
That being said, the children already here and their families should be allowed to stay.
The Democratic response? "Have compassion." "Don't be racist." What about all the other people -- many minorities -- who applied and didn't get in? Don't they count? The Democratic/liberal stance on this issue is extraordinarily subversive.
If we want to get rid of immigration laws, get rid of immigration laws. If we want to change them, change them. But the ghastly mess we've been operating is enough to turn anyone's stomach, and laws do need to be enforced.
That being said, the children already here and their families should be allowed to stay.
6
I'm a middle-aged US-born American, grand-daughter of Russian immigrants who thankfully had a chance at a better life here. This is heartbreaking. What are our values? Why are we so hateful and frightened of people who don't have anything and who are trying to make their lives better? America once stood for so much in this very unequal world. We are a big, big country and we can absorb and have absorbed the Dreamers without any detrimental on native Americans. I feel we are in for the fight of our lives if we want to preserve the best our nation has to offer.
More broadly, whether it is the dreamers, the penniless, miserable migrants in Italy who people accuse of ruining the country, or other large groups of displaced people - where is the human empathy and even respect for people who are struggling to make their lives better?
More broadly, whether it is the dreamers, the penniless, miserable migrants in Italy who people accuse of ruining the country, or other large groups of displaced people - where is the human empathy and even respect for people who are struggling to make their lives better?
4
Calling on Congress to act. That's a good one. In six months. So that's the plan? No plan? But first make a big announcement that reverses the policy with what, no plan? This has a name, it's called "incompetence."
5
"We are a nation of laws" when that suits Republicans' purposes, but not otherwise. Mr. Trump subverted the rule of law by pardoning Joe Arpaio, because Arpaio's crime was over-abusing those suspected of violating immigration laws and then violating a court order. He fired the FBI director to block a legal investigation! Trump skirted or broke the law with his tax returns and shady business deals in foreign countries-are Republicans clamoring for the law to be enforced against Trump? What about all the tax evaders that cannot be prosecuted because the Republicans underfund the IRS-do we hear the Repubs on this issue? No. How about speeding-a violation that endangers millions of people every day. Do we hear anything about cracking down on speeding, which is essentially routine in this country? No. "Rule of law" is a pretense for xenophobia and scapegoating, a favorite of demagogues and fascists-we need someone to blame for our problems, and it can't be the polluters who break environmental laws or bankers who break financial laws or coal mine owners who break worker safety laws or office holders who disenfranchise legitimate voters. They get slapped on the wrist while Trump hurries to eliminate the laws that protect us all. Let's blame the most vulnerable, least powerful people for our problems, instead of holding accountable the true causes.
6
Laws do not determine constitutionality because the US Constitution is above codified law and is designed so human rights and justice prevail.
1
The Constitution is just a piece of paper now. It occurred during the Civil War. Between the Commerce Clause and the 14th amendment everything is open to interpretation. For all you Constitution thumpers: it's about as useless as the paper on your fist currency.
Quit using the Constitution as an excuse not to think!
Quit using the Constitution as an excuse not to think!
1
With decisions like his Dreamer travesty, Trump is writing the fateful epitaph of the Republican Party and party leadership seems paralyzed to do anything about it.
1
Does Melania Trump have any views about immigration?
3
It is time for white people, the ones who believe that people of all colors and nations belong in America as equal citizens to speak this truth. I find myself speaking out as I've never before; to say what is right and true. I will continue to do so. I hope that people of color are able to hear what we say. We will defend your right to be a full citizen of the USA.
3
As the NYT Editorial board stated "DACA is morally right, legally sound and fiscally smart policy." It is also humane and basic decency by Obama. Precisely all the reasons why Trump destroyed it.
What guarantees are there the countries DACA youth are deported to would recognize them as their citizens, and not Americans, and accept them back? They have no documents after all. Would they take this administration's word for their nationality? Do they become nation-less? What are the chances Trump will be able to deport other Americans he hates to what ever country they look like they may have descended from?
What guarantees are there the countries DACA youth are deported to would recognize them as their citizens, and not Americans, and accept them back? They have no documents after all. Would they take this administration's word for their nationality? Do they become nation-less? What are the chances Trump will be able to deport other Americans he hates to what ever country they look like they may have descended from?
3
It's always important to know what Mark Zuckerberg thinks about politics. Unfortunately we're left without a quote from Taylor Swift. Perhaps next time.
9
Cover the Statue of Liberty in a shroud. Right now, we don't deserve her as an emblem of our country. Don't destroy her. One day, we will be a country she once again represents, a country that does her proud.
4
I cannot believe the cruelty and sheer stupidity of this DACA decision. The dreamers have played by the rules and are well educated contributing members of the USA. I hope Canada will accept any DACA recipients deported by the USA. The dreamers would be a great addition to Canada & I hope we welcome them with open arms if they wish to come here. The USA's loss would be Canada's gain.
4
It's embarrassing to note the stupidity and errors of my government, the US government.
1. When the parents of the so-called 'dreamers' came here illegally, my government failed to detect and stop their coming.
2. Apparently, my government, or at least Trump (abrogating his responsibility and throwing the problem instead at Congress), instead of putting the onus on the illegal parents when possible, is insinuating that the CHILDREN of these parents, when they were mere minors, broke the law BY THEMSELVES by coming here (and are stealing jobs in some fashion or other). Their punishment, unless Congress 'comes up' with something else, is to be sent 'home'....'home' to some country they were removed from without choice and which in most cases they don't remember.
3. So instead of tracking down among the illegal parents who are alive and can be found and who DID break the law, and having them 'pay' for their errors (prison, fines, assimilate into our culture through required training etc.), the government is punishing illogically their children!
I'm not agonizing over anything. To me it's clear. The government has made the wrong move every time, except for Obama's attempt to bring some sanity back to the USA. The only other 'guilty' party here besides our inept government are the illegal parents who were never caught.
1. When the parents of the so-called 'dreamers' came here illegally, my government failed to detect and stop their coming.
2. Apparently, my government, or at least Trump (abrogating his responsibility and throwing the problem instead at Congress), instead of putting the onus on the illegal parents when possible, is insinuating that the CHILDREN of these parents, when they were mere minors, broke the law BY THEMSELVES by coming here (and are stealing jobs in some fashion or other). Their punishment, unless Congress 'comes up' with something else, is to be sent 'home'....'home' to some country they were removed from without choice and which in most cases they don't remember.
3. So instead of tracking down among the illegal parents who are alive and can be found and who DID break the law, and having them 'pay' for their errors (prison, fines, assimilate into our culture through required training etc.), the government is punishing illogically their children!
I'm not agonizing over anything. To me it's clear. The government has made the wrong move every time, except for Obama's attempt to bring some sanity back to the USA. The only other 'guilty' party here besides our inept government are the illegal parents who were never caught.
5
Just when you think President Trump cannot go any lower...he does! One would think that as a savvy businessman, which he presumes to be, he would understand that with the devastation of Harvey, the threat of North Korea and all the domestic legislation he wants to be passed, the guy would know that more than ever, he needs ALL Americans on his sides, and yes: that includes Latinos. Furthermore, he would also know who to attack and go after, but noooo! Once again, he lashes against the most vulnerable in society, like a true bully. How truly sad! I just hope that Congress acts smarter than this guy and decides to finally pass legislation that would again makes us believe that America is indeed that city upon the hill the Founding Fathers wanted it to be.
2
Gratuitous cruelty: No economic or social justification. America is the only home these young people know. And America does not punish children for the crimes of their parents. Mr. Sessions and Mr. Trump are heartless and inhumane. Trump's mob relishes this race-based politics. And adores him when he gives it to them.
5
Letting Sessions deliver the message sent another message that racism is ok. Are you clear yet that he is intent on destroying the country?
3
We, in America, continue to live through the nightmare known as the Trump presidency. Is there no end to this man? Has he no decency? No intellect? No range of emotion? Does he know how to be president yet?
1
With Trump has proved himself to be a coward and a shirker. Rather than pressing/lobbying/cajoling Congress to do something with about DACA, he has turned his back on them to please his supporters and avoided taking any responsibility.
2
Imagine that. One day Obama's Pollyanna letter to Trump comes out filled with all kinds of gee whizz advice, and the next day he's accusing Trump of violating the laws of basic human decency by rescinding the illegal DACA executive order. Just goes to show what a cool standup guy Obama is. If only he would just go away.
4
And everyone simply sits back and allows this man to act as a king. Is there not a single leader in our "elected" government who will even attempt to thwart this king? Does anyone out there know anything about the history of the last century? Do any of you actually believe that someone who -- on a lark -- decides to deport 800,000 people won't wake up one morning and press that special button? Enough!
3
It's time for Dreamers to make Mexico great for the first time. Generation after generation after generation has fled that country. You were born there. You have family there. Why not fight for a better Mexico?
12
Dear NY Times,
Stop equivocating by saying a "conflicted Trump" Dear God. I never watch the Sunday shows but did this past Sunday where I saw other caving from Meet the Press. A woman from the WashPo was saying how she thought Trump was trying to be fair and just didn't have the language. On CBS Sunday Morning this homespun lad they trot out said --hey remember a week ago when we were all taking about the value of confederate monuments, fully ignoring the Nazi--dead woman aspect. Stop it. This guy is conflicted about squat. Conflicted sounds as if he has conflicting thoughts--that he has moral conflicts. We all know this is nonsense. Please cut it out.
Bob,
Boston
Stop equivocating by saying a "conflicted Trump" Dear God. I never watch the Sunday shows but did this past Sunday where I saw other caving from Meet the Press. A woman from the WashPo was saying how she thought Trump was trying to be fair and just didn't have the language. On CBS Sunday Morning this homespun lad they trot out said --hey remember a week ago when we were all taking about the value of confederate monuments, fully ignoring the Nazi--dead woman aspect. Stop it. This guy is conflicted about squat. Conflicted sounds as if he has conflicting thoughts--that he has moral conflicts. We all know this is nonsense. Please cut it out.
Bob,
Boston
4
Isolated and serving a small mob of supporters -- that's our President. Throwing the US into so much uncertainty, chaos -- not so different than tiny North Korea and its nutjob leader. Tired of "winning" yet?
3
This is just plain wicked.
Theres a point where you should look around and realize that you are on the side of darkness and evil. This would be a prime time.
Theres a point where you should look around and realize that you are on the side of darkness and evil. This would be a prime time.
3
Deporting undocumented immigrants who entered this country as children is akin to making the child of a convicted felon a felon as well, but we don't do that.
3
More like a parent giving their child a stolen bike for their birthday, then having to take away the bike when discovered.
8
Exactly!
The most positive thing that I find in Trump's Presidential activity is that he, by his idiotic actions, DISMISSES the true essence of the Republicans: greed, callousness, inhumanity, deceit, stupidity, hypocrisy, racism and great-power chauvinism.
It does not even occur to them that the foolish idea to throw out 800,000 people from the USА that were brought here by they PARENTS in a jury-disabled age is economically INSOLVENT - it will be TOO expensive! :)
not to mention the fact that the Republicans DURING all 8 years of Barack Obama presidency took up aggressive anti-Obama propaganda that led to the growth of racist sentiments and disunited the US as was never before in American history.
Trump is a hypocrite, he himself actively used illegal immigrants to clear construction sites for the Tram towers in the past, - so his action against DACA Program is not at all a striving for "legality" in the immigration difficulties of the US, but the same desire to incitement of hatred and provoke CONFLICT in society because it meets the selfish interests of Trump ( "Divide and rule" ) and the interests of the regime of Putin's Russia, which for the last 15 years has been conducting aggressive anti-American propaganda
Who is most admired and who is imitated by Trump? - Dictators - Vladimir Putin in Russia and Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines !!!
And you are surprised that he is ready to warp a life for innocent 800,000 people!
Dixi
It does not even occur to them that the foolish idea to throw out 800,000 people from the USА that were brought here by they PARENTS in a jury-disabled age is economically INSOLVENT - it will be TOO expensive! :)
not to mention the fact that the Republicans DURING all 8 years of Barack Obama presidency took up aggressive anti-Obama propaganda that led to the growth of racist sentiments and disunited the US as was never before in American history.
Trump is a hypocrite, he himself actively used illegal immigrants to clear construction sites for the Tram towers in the past, - so his action against DACA Program is not at all a striving for "legality" in the immigration difficulties of the US, but the same desire to incitement of hatred and provoke CONFLICT in society because it meets the selfish interests of Trump ( "Divide and rule" ) and the interests of the regime of Putin's Russia, which for the last 15 years has been conducting aggressive anti-American propaganda
Who is most admired and who is imitated by Trump? - Dictators - Vladimir Putin in Russia and Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines !!!
And you are surprised that he is ready to warp a life for innocent 800,000 people!
Dixi
3
Vote them OUT!
3
"... those in the country illegally are lawbreakers who hurt native-born Americans by usurping their jobs and pushing down wages."
Like your wife was?
Like your wife was?
4
Thsi is terrible cruelty to the young & vulnerable. America can never, ever wipe away the shame.
2
It will be forgotten in 100 years just like when we did it in the 1930s. Keep trying to erase the reminders of our past (bad or good) and we will repeat it within 4 generations.
Will these people be stripped of their shoes, hair and gold tooth fillings, too? America, the crossroads of the undocumented, is looking more and more like Germany and France of the late 1930s.
4
You can leave the Germans and the French out of this. May I remind you of the fate of American Indians, Japanese Americans and African Americans in the 19th and 20th century?
2
Some agonizing. conspire with infamous racist Jeff sessions, and let the dirty work be done.
5
Tragic for our country, our economy and these young people who we need so badly. We will be losing as much as they are losing.
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Hooray. The president followed the rule of law. How refreshing.
Why wait the 6 months? The states were 1 day away from suing as DACA was clearly unconstitutional.
Why wait the 6 months? The states were 1 day away from suing as DACA was clearly unconstitutional.
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If this was about rule of law, Arpaio would serve out his sentence for a pretty serious crime. You probably don't think so because Arpaio is on your "team" so to speak, but objectively speaking, none of this was ever about the "rule of law." Say what you will as a partisan hack, but please save us your tired excuses.
There is just so much misinformation about immigration law that having a thoughtful public conversation is proving to be difficult. Immigration law, as outdated it is, is more nuanced than "this is rule of law."
First, people should know that "being in the country illegally, the act of being present without authorization" is a civil offense, not criminal. This is why people in deportation proceedings are not entitled to a lawyer and local cops do not arrest people for unlawful presence. The hardliners conveniently ignore this fact and dishonestly push a different narrative. However, being caught "entering the country illegally at the border" is a crime and also a national security issue.
The people on the right also keep pushing this narrative that the executive action as known as DACA is an executive overreach. This is another merit-less argument not even discussed in the legal community. The President has ample authority to prioritize how the executive branch wants to use the resources to enforce any given law (or not take action). The memo DOES NOT grant any legal status, which only Congress can do. It simply defers low priority immigrants from deportation. Sure some people would like to see all the immigrants go away by any means, but prioritizing deportation is a right of the president.
DACA is not an overreach. It can be issued freely by Obama and it can be revoked freely by Trump. However, it is NOT an executive overreach.
First, people should know that "being in the country illegally, the act of being present without authorization" is a civil offense, not criminal. This is why people in deportation proceedings are not entitled to a lawyer and local cops do not arrest people for unlawful presence. The hardliners conveniently ignore this fact and dishonestly push a different narrative. However, being caught "entering the country illegally at the border" is a crime and also a national security issue.
The people on the right also keep pushing this narrative that the executive action as known as DACA is an executive overreach. This is another merit-less argument not even discussed in the legal community. The President has ample authority to prioritize how the executive branch wants to use the resources to enforce any given law (or not take action). The memo DOES NOT grant any legal status, which only Congress can do. It simply defers low priority immigrants from deportation. Sure some people would like to see all the immigrants go away by any means, but prioritizing deportation is a right of the president.
DACA is not an overreach. It can be issued freely by Obama and it can be revoked freely by Trump. However, it is NOT an executive overreach.
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Actually you are wrong as far as the criminality issue. The ONLY way being in the US unlawfully can be a civil offense is if the person entered the United States LEGALLY.
If the person entered illegally, then it is automatically a misdemeanor crime. It does not matter if the individual was an underage minor when they are brought into the country. They are still deemed to have entered the US illegally, and therefore are subject to criminal penalties, not civil.
If the person entered illegally, then it is automatically a misdemeanor crime. It does not matter if the individual was an underage minor when they are brought into the country. They are still deemed to have entered the US illegally, and therefore are subject to criminal penalties, not civil.
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Read what I wrote again. UNLAWFUL PRESENCE (as opposed to being caught at the border) is a civil offense. If the person entered the country illegally as I described above, and that person was caught, then that is a criminal offense. You are making a distinction where there is none.
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I deplore Trump - he is an unprecedented and unmitigated disaster - but people with no lawful right to be in this country, whether adults or children, have no reasonable expectation to remain. Lax enforcement of immigration laws has fostered a dangerous sense of entitlement that not only can you be in the United States apart from legal status, but you somehow enjoy the protections of legal residency and citizenship itself.
Sorry, but that's not the Statue of Liberty and the huddled masses it was meant to protect. Those people, many our ancestors, passed through the gates of liberty legally. They got in lawfully and, only then, did they set up shop to make a life here.
Flip this around and think about it for a minute. Would you move to Europe on a temporary visa or with none at all, begin living there indefinitely without legal permission, and then react with disbelief if the foreign country instructed you to leave because you had no lawful right to stay?
Congress is free to grant legalization - a legislative prerogative under the Constitution - but it's not a right.
Sorry, but that's not the Statue of Liberty and the huddled masses it was meant to protect. Those people, many our ancestors, passed through the gates of liberty legally. They got in lawfully and, only then, did they set up shop to make a life here.
Flip this around and think about it for a minute. Would you move to Europe on a temporary visa or with none at all, begin living there indefinitely without legal permission, and then react with disbelief if the foreign country instructed you to leave because you had no lawful right to stay?
Congress is free to grant legalization - a legislative prerogative under the Constitution - but it's not a right.
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So, my family came here illegally. Around 1635 they came without documents to Connecticut and just took land. If the native Americans, who were here centuries before, tried to get it back they put up tall fences or shot them. Should I be deported? Should you?
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Presidents Clinton and Obama rightly criticized Trump’s characteristically incoherent non-response to the DACA issue, urging him to take a course of action both humane and wise. Imagine if George W. Bush came out of hiding, practiced the “compassionate conservatism” that he preached, and joined his immediate predecessor and successor. That phalanx would comprise the last three presidents, representing 24 consecutive years in office, joining together across party lines to ”make America great”—not “again,” but going forward.
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I don't see what the big issue is. If the dreamers are such upstanding people they would want to follow the law and return to their home countries and immigrate legally rather than insisting on the right to break the law and to cut in line in front of others. Let's help them immigrate legally by sending them home to start the process.
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The thing is, for many, the United States *is* home. How much sense does it make to get deported to a country you've never lived in?
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There are not US citizens. They are citizens of other countries and lived in those countries before coming here.
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What process? Quit pretending you're on higher ground. The process you want them to start doesn't exist.
If you want what you say you want, you want comprehensive immigration reform.
If you want what you say you want, you want comprehensive immigration reform.
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Maybe we should stop resisting and start working with the GOP; otherwise, we will be the ones who cause this to go back to Trump for his version of exec action.
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Don't be fooled -- this is a gambit, and an easy one. Trump needed to act, to more or less keep his base satisfied. He acted. He killed another Obama achievement. But he, with full teamwork by Ryan & McConnell, handed the 'hot potato' off to Congress. This will enable Congress to get one, an easy one ... all they need do is come back with DACA-lite, under their name. Many Republicans can vote against it, but since the D's must vote for it .. it will pass easily, and Trump comes in and signs it, as a hero.
This is 100% for the 2018 midterm. 100% theater.
The GOP really doesn't care about DACA, except as a wedge issue. But they aren't stupid -- it's a made-in-heaven gift for 2018. They need the Latino votes. With this, the GOP walks off with solving the Dreamers' problem.
The GOP mantra is: voters have an incredibly short memory.
This is 100% for the 2018 midterm. 100% theater.
The GOP really doesn't care about DACA, except as a wedge issue. But they aren't stupid -- it's a made-in-heaven gift for 2018. They need the Latino votes. With this, the GOP walks off with solving the Dreamers' problem.
The GOP mantra is: voters have an incredibly short memory.
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You actually think the Latinos are going to hand this to trump on a silver platter, after they have had to live the heart ache, the worry, their questionable future. I don't think they are that forgiving.
I am not a Latino (legal/illegal) and/or LGBT. However, the events in the past few months have shown that a large number of people in this nation have no humanity. I am sorry but we may claim "American Exceptionalism" (see the definition in Wiki) but I feel that we are failing as a nation.
Everyday, this nation looses another part of its soul.
Everyday, this nation looses another part of its soul.
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American Exceptionalism comes from keeping foreigners out.
That is why the US is a magnet.
That is why the US is a magnet.
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About 8000 thousand Dreamers serve in the Armed Forces. I had the opportunity serve to with these brave men and women in Iraq on multiple deployments. If these Dreamers are willing to lay their life on the line for a country that may not want them, they are good in my book. For those who support mass deportation of these Dreamers. I ask you this simple question. Are you willing to take their place in the Armed Forces and lay your life on the line for your country that gave you the sweetness of freedom since birth?
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Damon, getting rid of the Dreamers is just the start, the thin end of the wedge. We're talking about ethnic cleansing here on a grand scale. To that extent, I wouldn't expect much account to be taken of prior military service, any more than in Nazi Germany, where some 50,000 Jewish veterans of the First World War were sent to extermination camps. Like the Nazis, Trump and his unholy alliance of white losers and billionaire backers need an enemy within. It looks like they've found one.
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It's this simple; if these kids were white, say of german extraction like Trump himself. This action today would never have happened.
Does anyone have any doubt?
Does anyone have any doubt?
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If they were white Germans they never would have broken the law. The Germans are great believers in process, systems, and order.
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The "kids" are mostly white Hispanics. I don't know why people continue to say that the dreamers are nonwhite - Hispanic is not a race and people who are not black or Asian are white.
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This isn't a Christian thing to do. Just the opposite. How can Christians support him?
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Keep the law abiding, educated ones. Get rid of the criminals. And the parents who are here illegally....they need to go.
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There are no criminals under DACA. Those eligible have to apply and undergo a background check to ensure there is no criminal record (and that they are either enrolled in school of have at least a high school education). So you are advocating for all 800,000 who have qualified for the program! Very nice -- I'm with you!
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It's such a shame that we've gone from a leader who tried to better the world to an imposter who just wants to watch it burn.
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I did not witness the cruelties which were committed by racists/KKK against blacks though I have seen their video footages. I have seen on TV the beatings of blacks by cops, e.g., Rodney King and a young black teen girl in Dallas (coming from a pool party). I also saw on TV a North Charleston, South Carolina cop shooting eight times a black man as he ran away ...
I am now witnessing this inhumanity committed by these heartless racists.
I am now witnessing this inhumanity committed by these heartless racists.
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Sessions gets the all-time top Pinocchio award. His nose is dragging on the ground.
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TO the 13% Latinos who voted Trump. Thank you.
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I wish that Sessions and his conservative cohorts would stop advancing the fatuous argument that these young people are stealing jobs from similarly -aged American citizens . The true reason they want this program cancelled is to discourage parents who are considering bringing their children into the country illegally . It is so obvious --- why not sat so ?
I also wish that those in favor of a protected status for these young people would stop calling them " Dreamers " - - - a cloying and corny moniker made up to generate sympathy . It's use has the opposite effect on me even though I am in favor of granting them legal status .
Finally , although I disagree with Trump's reversal of one of Obama's most noble actions , I think that this has been his most adroit political maneuver thus far ( they are few to non-existent ) . Punt the ball to Congress and let them revamp the entire immigration process to reflect the true will of their constituents . This issue should be decided by Congress , not by one man .
I also wish that those in favor of a protected status for these young people would stop calling them " Dreamers " - - - a cloying and corny moniker made up to generate sympathy . It's use has the opposite effect on me even though I am in favor of granting them legal status .
Finally , although I disagree with Trump's reversal of one of Obama's most noble actions , I think that this has been his most adroit political maneuver thus far ( they are few to non-existent ) . Punt the ball to Congress and let them revamp the entire immigration process to reflect the true will of their constituents . This issue should be decided by Congress , not by one man .
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The GOP congress refused to act when Obama asked them to, so he did what he could to help these people. Horrible, right?
I notice Trump doesn't mind signing EOs. It's pretty much all he's done so far.
I notice Trump doesn't mind signing EOs. It's pretty much all he's done so far.
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You give Trump too much credit...if he truly wanted to end this program of amnesty as he called it. He would simply would grant a mass pardon to these 800,000 Dreamers. The same pardon he used for the sheriff of Arizona whom infringed on the civil rights of Latinos in his county. He merely punted on this issue. You assume Trump is playing 3 dimensional chess when he is only playing checkers.
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Much of this discussion is lost in impractical academics. The fundamental problem is that Congress is incapable of acting. They'll get lost between the idea of passing a focused DACA bill and the option of comprehensive immigration reform. The debate will go on with impassioned rhetoric from both sides and no intention whatsoever of compromise, since they don't know what that is. Nothing will happen; it may not even come up for a vote.
Trump will get his way. DACA will be cancelled and he can blame Congress.
Trump will get his way. DACA will be cancelled and he can blame Congress.
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Did anyone honestly thing that his Ivanka and Jared would be an influence???
I don't know why anyone is surprised...Trump announced last week that he would do it.
Just another example of Trump pandering to his base. Just another example of a Trump and company distraction.
How many times do we need to be shocked? He has shown us again and again that he's a lose cannon hurricane, leaving destruction in his wake, and he couldn't care less. As long as his backers and base are happy, he's fine.
I don't know why anyone is surprised...Trump announced last week that he would do it.
Just another example of Trump pandering to his base. Just another example of a Trump and company distraction.
How many times do we need to be shocked? He has shown us again and again that he's a lose cannon hurricane, leaving destruction in his wake, and he couldn't care less. As long as his backers and base are happy, he's fine.
The parents broke the law by coming here illegally. Their children were brought to a strange country by their parents. How is it any different to return them to their country of origin where they or their children can apply for legal US citizenship if they chose to return.
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You really can't see how it's different? Wow.
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Liberals should understand that most conservatives are Christians who belief the Bible that teaches love, of God first, and then our neighbors. Even our enemies. So, work with us, DACA being a good place to start. Poverty and poverty-related crime are the real immigration issues, so, quieten your desire to impeach and open your minds. Make it easier for us to love you.
America's Constitution and laws are based on our European Judaeo-Christian heritage, the Magna Carta, and English Common Law, which have determined right and wrong in the eyes of the law, including the preeminence of the rule of law. The alternative is anarchy.
Christian beliefs are based on two principal relationships, the first man’s relationship with God, and the second, a Christian’s relationship with man. They both are based on an expectation of undeserved love, even for our enemies, and forgiveness, no matter how undeserved. Expect us to love you because your expectations have power. Stop your expressions of hatred, your ridicule, and your false concerns about the impossibility of, and the costs of securing our borders. We are a rich and capable nation and securing our borders is sensible. Expect the best from us because your expectations have power. Turn away from the dark side and walk toward the light, where real hope lives. America is, and always has been, the greatest source of good in the modern world. Help us to keep that tradition alive.
America's Constitution and laws are based on our European Judaeo-Christian heritage, the Magna Carta, and English Common Law, which have determined right and wrong in the eyes of the law, including the preeminence of the rule of law. The alternative is anarchy.
Christian beliefs are based on two principal relationships, the first man’s relationship with God, and the second, a Christian’s relationship with man. They both are based on an expectation of undeserved love, even for our enemies, and forgiveness, no matter how undeserved. Expect us to love you because your expectations have power. Stop your expressions of hatred, your ridicule, and your false concerns about the impossibility of, and the costs of securing our borders. We are a rich and capable nation and securing our borders is sensible. Expect the best from us because your expectations have power. Turn away from the dark side and walk toward the light, where real hope lives. America is, and always has been, the greatest source of good in the modern world. Help us to keep that tradition alive.
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DACA is a good place to start. It's hard to understand why someone would want it to stop. These people, Dreamers, are neither poor nor criminal. They are employed, tax paying, military members, and college students. Exiling them will be bad for the country by every measure good people like you believe in. And surely, in your love for all your neighbors, you agree that taking 800,000 of the best that America has to offer and casting them out isn't very Christian. I hope that you're able to express to Rep. Lujan and Senators Udall and Heinrich that your love for all people, but especially for the most vulnerable among us, compels you to want DACA enshrined as law so America's tradition as a place of goodness and hope for the entire world stays alive.
91% of all Dreamers are employed or in school seeking a degree to be a member of a productive workforce. Indeed most immigrants are Christians as well and attend church to pray to the Deity of their choice. Yes ,most liberals are Christians as well and we seek to reach those from a position of love and not hatred. We follow Christ because He Himself doesn't ask to see our citizenship papers in order to follow Him. For He seeks to heal the condition of our soul for he understands our true place of origin is with our Father. The majority of us are decedents of interlopers who with the first wave of European immigration took the land from the Native Americans with open warfare or deception. If the First People had asked them for their papers we would still be waiting in line at Plymouth Rock.
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Anyone who advocates ripping people from their lifelong homes and sending them off to a strange country simply because of their parents desire for freedom and a better life is not a practicing Christian, liberal or conservative.
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It's starting to look like Trump and the Republicans are holding the Dreamers hostage to get additional funding for "other immigration issues," like maybe a new wall.
"Nice group of hard working, tax paying, military serving American kids you got there. Be a shame if we had to exile them from the only country they've ever known. Of course, a few billion for a border wall and this whole problem goes away."
Republicans own this.
"Nice group of hard working, tax paying, military serving American kids you got there. Be a shame if we had to exile them from the only country they've ever known. Of course, a few billion for a border wall and this whole problem goes away."
Republicans own this.
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Why wouldn't any American citizen want an immigration policy that prevents people from coming here illegally and allows us to chose who lives in our country?
The children of these immigrants didn't break the law but their parents did and should have to pay serious consequences for their actions. Those who have committed additional crimes should be deported immediately.
The children of these immigrants didn't break the law but their parents did and should have to pay serious consequences for their actions. Those who have committed additional crimes should be deported immediately.
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Some who wish to support the current president even with regard to this (latest) colossally stupid action are denigrating DACA on the grounds that it wasn't legislation. That's a despicably misleading argument. Mitch McConnell promised on day one of President Obama's first term that he would do everything in his power to block any legislative accomplishment by that administration, and he largely succeeded in his venal goal of making the Legislative Branch unavailable to the American people for eight years. That President Obama achieved so much that was constructive - including DACA - despite that Republican, anti-American childishness is reason for admiration, not condemnation.
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The passage of Houston aid should be conditioned on legislation continuing DACA. Time for principled Democrats to be tough.
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Nonsense. I am all for continuing DACA but that's a ridiculous idea that puts Dems in the basket of deplorables.
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A lot of people in Houston might surprise you by agreeing with you. There were a lot of "dreamers" pulling people out of the floodwaters down here.
It feels like the US has joined the likes of the Burmese military junta currently persecuting the Rohingya, their own countrymen.
Trump's move fills me with deep shame.
Trump's move fills me with deep shame.
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trump is holding the dreamers hostage, and using their fate as a bargaining chip.
COLD - and very uncool
COLD - and very uncool
Some may say that I suffer from Trump derangement syndrome, but 2016 was sad, I feel sad. Many in my nation, many of my fellow brothers are cruel, mean spirited and some borderline sociopathic in their dislike of others. Call me a " snowflake" but I feel very sad about our state of affairs, I feel sad about prejudice and worst I feel sad that it comes from neighbors and fellow citizens.
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During the scary time when Trump was appointing Cabinet secretaries I was horrified with his appointments. I wondered how this man who was so ignorant about our government and our constitution was able to select the perfect candidates to destroy the departments they were selected to lead. Tom Price to head Health and Human Services...Scott Pruitt to head the EPA...Ryan Zinke to head the Department of the Interior (to name a few)...it's some kind of horrible joke. How did Trump even become aware of these potential cabinet secretaries? The answer finally appeared in this newspaper. They were primarily suggested by Jeff Sessions and Mike Pence, the evil brains behind Trump. The very idea that Jeff Sessions has become the Attorney General of the United States is frightening. Sessions and Pence are the two most dangerous men in America and they must be replaced
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In three years you'll have that chance. Until then, we can all ponder rather than merely emote on why he became president. Surely the aspirations and viewpoints of the millions who elected him are worthy of sympathetic analysis rather than unthinking vitriol.
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Typical Trump. He calls in Mitt Romney to discuss being Secretary of State, he calls in Al Gore to discuss Climate Change, etc. He tells DACA people he loves them. What he loves is playing with people then stepping on them. He is vicious and evil. A true bully.
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The buck stopped at Trump's desk... then he passed it to Congress.
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You guys are funny! All this energy from the left and the right put into these comments.
Well guess what, Dick Durban and Lindsey Graham got interviewed this morning on CNN. They claim they have a veto proof majority in the Senate, and that the House leadership has the votes to pass the old Senate DACA replacement bill. Lots of wasted emotion on this issue.
I'll tell you what's' unfair, whipsawing folks back and forth, whipping up folks into a lather, and inciting rancor among the masses. That's Trump, cause chaos, charge someone else with cleaning it up, and then move on.
I wonder if there's any truth to that National Enquirer headline? Is Trump going to declare moral bankruptcy on the part of the good old USA?
Well guess what, Dick Durban and Lindsey Graham got interviewed this morning on CNN. They claim they have a veto proof majority in the Senate, and that the House leadership has the votes to pass the old Senate DACA replacement bill. Lots of wasted emotion on this issue.
I'll tell you what's' unfair, whipsawing folks back and forth, whipping up folks into a lather, and inciting rancor among the masses. That's Trump, cause chaos, charge someone else with cleaning it up, and then move on.
I wonder if there's any truth to that National Enquirer headline? Is Trump going to declare moral bankruptcy on the part of the good old USA?
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It is rather amusing to read the comments proclaiming the legitimacy of illegal immigrant children brought here illegally by their illegal immigrant parents while also claiming Trump is an illegitimate or "so-called" president.
This is why liberals are no longer respected.
This is why liberals are no longer respected.
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True.
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This is dictating to Congress, a separate and equal power to the executive and he is a dictator with no respect for Congress as he blackmailed them to act. Congress should balance against Trump with an equally Compassionate law similar to DACA. Do you understand what this means? Trump is drunk with power.
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Trump is "dictating" to Congress by letting them do that which is their duty and right? You are drunk with anger.
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While we're talking about how important it is to adhere to laws, how about a fellow who commits multiple sexual assaults and batteries on women, brags about it, and then says he got away with it because he was "a star"? Any problems with that, you law-and-order fans? Or is that fine with you? Because I think I'd take a hard-working young person who speaks perfect English, is working toward a nursing or other degree, and doesn't assault anyone, for a neighbor over that guy any day.
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Ahhh ... isn't this "move" from the current POTUS who has [polite interpretation] chastised President Obama for "letting the enemy" know in advance what the plans are .... supposed to be?
In a radio interview with Bannon in Oct. 2015, Sessions praised the 1924 immigration law, the Johnson Reed Act, which established numerical quotas for immigration and limited the numbers from Eastern and Southern Europe in favor of more Anglo nations. Here is what a recent study said about the law and others similar to it. "In the 1930's, as the Nazis frequently noted, the United States stood at the forefront of race-based American immigration and naturalization law, culminating in the 1924 act. It was America's race-based immigration law that Hitler praised in Mein Kampf.... The United States stood at the forefront in the creation of forms of de jure and de facto second-class citizenship for blacks and others; and this too was of great interest to the Nazis... creating their own forms of second-class citizenship for Jews. As for race-mixing between the sexes, the United States stood at the forefront there as well. America was a beacon of anti-miscegenation laws... in thirty states, all carefully studied and catalogued by Nazi lawyers. Nazi lawyers made repeated reference to such laws in the drafting that led to the Nuremberg laws." [James Whitman, Hitler's American Model, p. 12-13] We can't say that the Nazi fascination with our racist laws inspired Trump, only because racist laws are home grown. On the one hand is our creed of egalitarianism which is severely compromised by American practices, which embrace racist deeds. Truly an American dilemma.
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Why would any Latino want to work for the Trumps, in public service or private?
Walk out!
Walk out!
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800,000 beautiful young dreamers VS a handful of angry, old white men?
i'd go with the dreamers. angry old white men is the problem.
i'd go with the dreamers. angry old white men is the problem.
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Yeah, except 63 million isn't "a handful," nor were they all angry, old, white, or men.
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"Trump, GOP should keep DACA but scrap birthright citizenship"...Liz Peek Sept. 4, 2017, FOX News/Opinion at http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/04/trump-gop-should-keep-daca-but...
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That might be the plan. Trade one for the other.
Trump is correct about one aspect of this issue, it is the Congress' responsibility to reform the broken, often inhumane and illogical immigration system that the country currently has. Trouble is that the never ending hyper-partisanship in Washington will likely prevent this from happening.
Like so many other major issues that this country faces, this one won't be solved until Congress learns to function as it is supposed to, as an organization that negotiates and compromises for the good of the country, not one that endlessly fights for the ideology and power of its factions.
Like so many other major issues that this country faces, this one won't be solved until Congress learns to function as it is supposed to, as an organization that negotiates and compromises for the good of the country, not one that endlessly fights for the ideology and power of its factions.
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Congress is actually doing more now than it has in years. Trump is good for Congress. He's making them work again.
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Inactions can have as many consequences as actions. Congress can be held responsible for not having a coherent and constitutional plan for immigration. The consequence of that inaction is the current confusion.
Parents can be held responsible for entering the country against the law, an action that now threatens their children's security.
And finally, perhaps we can all resolve to take our civic duties a bit more seriously, for - as President Obama once declared - elections have consequences.
Parents can be held responsible for entering the country against the law, an action that now threatens their children's security.
And finally, perhaps we can all resolve to take our civic duties a bit more seriously, for - as President Obama once declared - elections have consequences.
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Trump and his supporters are the most destructive force that has ever happened to our country since the Civil War - more than WWI or WWII, which we won, more than the Korean War, which was a stalemate (until now), and more than the Vietnam War (never declared as such) that I lived through. Instead, Trump's and his supporters' destructive force is not aimed at an external enemy but at us, the majority of American people, our way of life, our values, our economy, our justice system. Any possible Russian component to Trump's election could not have paid greater dividends.
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I find this hyperbolic anti-Trump venom destructive. I've always known that liberals can get nasty when challenged, but this is ridiculous. Their anger is like a cancer spreading and destroying anything around it.
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I'm not a "liberal" (these days I would be labeled a fiscally and socially responsible republican), and I see the cancer the other way around. I'm looking at facts as I always have, and the only thing that has changed over the last 30 years is the division caused by the rise of Fox-type "news", i.e., hyperbolic extreme right-wing propaganda.
It is ironic that we are talking about building walls and exporting DACA participants when we really could bring much of the controversy to an immediate halt simply by enforcing e-verify. No job and no one will come. Why do we let persons continue to come into the US without a challenge? The answer is simple. Our employers want the cheap labor.
Session knows that congress will do something or the farming industry in Alabama and elsewhere will suffer greatly. Unfortunately, for republicans they are going to suffer no matter what they do. Hispanics will never trust republicans again. Thanks Trump.
Session knows that congress will do something or the farming industry in Alabama and elsewhere will suffer greatly. Unfortunately, for republicans they are going to suffer no matter what they do. Hispanics will never trust republicans again. Thanks Trump.
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Why did they ever?
DACA was a rewriting of the immigration laws of the country by the executive branch. It was illegal, should never have been done and Trump should have dumped it immediately. I'm all in favor of letting most (not all) of these young people stay and become American citizens, but do it legally through legislation. Better yet, make it part of a broad immigration and border security package.
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And what is your basis for claiming DACA was illegal -- Sessions' announcement of such? In fact, many legal scholars consider DACA an entirely lawful exercise of prosecutorial discretion on the part of the executive branch. Also inform yourself of the context -- Obama only announced DACA after Congress failed to pass an immigration reform bill. Note also that DACA requires an application process to qualify, requiring documentation of adequate levels of education and the absence of criminal history. So there IS a legal process. With Congress incapable of doing its job, we damage the country in multiple ways by undoing this program.
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Trump's crocodile tears revulse me. This is just another sop to his supporters and to the pretense that Trump can actually accomplish something. His shills claim Obama's order was unconstitutional, but THEY don't get to decide that. The legality of the program should have been argued before the Supreme Court--which doubtless would have found it politically unpalatable to overturn.
This is the lowest kind of politics, playing games with the lives of hundreds of thousands of decent young people. Let's throw Trump out of office instead of throwing them out of the American family.
This is the lowest kind of politics, playing games with the lives of hundreds of thousands of decent young people. Let's throw Trump out of office instead of throwing them out of the American family.
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This is what you get when the majority of Americans voted for the other person.
The people didn't elect Trump, the Electoral College Electors did.
The people didn't elect Trump, the Electoral College Electors did.
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If we as a nation hadn't sabotaged the Electoral College "card" to prevent idiots like a Trump from being elected we wouldn't be afraid of the news on a daily basis. Electors were suppose to be a failsafe for the "mob mentality" that the founding fathers didn't want e.g. The FRENCH REVOLUTION. They wrote and said as much. They didn't trust the "mob."
Messing with the Constitution and not understanding the reasons for, or ramifications of it caused this mess. We should have had a 3rd option. Either enable the Electorial College do its job or abolish it. How is it even law that States can force electors to vote a certain way? That's a US Constitutional issue.
As to law, people especially attorneys twist it in a pretzel all the time. The legislature may mean one thing but attorneys will do what they want. Common sense and straightforward laws... Yeah right. Are there any ethical attorneys out there? I doubt it after my experiences.
Messing with the Constitution and not understanding the reasons for, or ramifications of it caused this mess. We should have had a 3rd option. Either enable the Electorial College do its job or abolish it. How is it even law that States can force electors to vote a certain way? That's a US Constitutional issue.
As to law, people especially attorneys twist it in a pretzel all the time. The legislature may mean one thing but attorneys will do what they want. Common sense and straightforward laws... Yeah right. Are there any ethical attorneys out there? I doubt it after my experiences.
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I would challenge any Trump supporter to identify one job that the beneficiaries of DACA have taken from them. Name one. I have had the opportunity to know and work with Dreamers and I can tell anyone first hand that these young people work harder and hold American values as dear as any native born citizen.
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The upside is that these excellent people will now bring their skills to their countries of citizenship, thereby improving the lives of millions of their countrymen! Everyone wins!
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The dishwasher who was able to become a busboy or waiter and then a maître d' with those work papers. The cleaning woman who worked for a contractor who was then able to work in retail.
In other words, people who were able to come out of the shadows and take more advanced jobs that, yes, Americans would do.
In other words, people who were able to come out of the shadows and take more advanced jobs that, yes, Americans would do.
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Not many Trump supporters read this progressively rich contant. You're safe here.
Chris Hayes just reported Trump has pulled back on this issue. He reported Trump now says if Congress doesn't reform DACA in 6 months he will "revisit" the issue.
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And now we will watch the circus in Congress. And watch Trump calling up and putting pressure on representatives and senators to pass a bill that will grant residence and citizenship to Dreamers... Somebody needs to make a movie about this farce. For posterity. Trump's legacy.
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Trump should have signed DACA because then the court challenge would have moved forward that would have ended DACA IMMEDIATELY. People are so busy hating President Trump and refuse to educate themselves. DACA was an overreach by the executive branch when it was created. If you want to see immigration laws changed then talk to your Representatives and Senators, and do some research before immediately blaming the President.
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You've not followed your own advice to educate yourself. Doing so requires seeking out sources beyond those that tell you what you want to hear. It is by no means clear that DACA would be declared illegal; the balance of legal scholars in fact believe it is an entirely legal instance of an executive decision on prosecutorial discretion. Trump is in fact damaging the country -- morally and, and indeed economically -- and continuing to divide us bitterly while pandering to his narrowing "base."
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I have. Why did the GOP congress refuse to act when Obama asked them many times?
Because Obama asked them.
The lives of hundreds of thousands of people who did nothing wrong counted for nothing to them.
Because Obama asked them.
The lives of hundreds of thousands of people who did nothing wrong counted for nothing to them.
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Why are you so sure DACA would have ended immediately? Lawsuits are heard, and, unless you can see into the future, there's no assurance the program would have ended.
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I'm a legal immigrant, a naturalized citizen, and voted for Senator Clinton. I agree with the President on ending the DACA program. All of those people who came to this country illegally must be deported to their home countries. We, the legal residents and the citizens cannot afford to support the half of the world's population. To keep the families together, illegal arrivals and their American born children can go back to their home countries. Sorry for being selfish, but we need to face the reality.
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Self preservation is not selfishness. You're right we cannot support half the world.
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The reality is that you have no idea what you are talking about. We are not supporting them, they are capable of supporting themselves and contributing to our economy.
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/consideration-deferred-action-childho... - guidelines
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/consideration-deferred-action-childho... - guidelines
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Why isn't all of America rising up to expel this horrible person from the White House?
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Maybe because he won the office and he's doing what he promised to do?
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Because half of America voted for him, and he ran on the promise to end DACA?
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President Trump is not ending DACA,. DACA is just expiring DACA was a very questionable constitutional executive order by Obama that is going to run out of time. DACA was NOT legislation and just expired it would be futile for Trumptomake another illegal executive order that would expire next president anyway. Trump is doing the right thing and telling congress to write legislation which is the correct way to handle this mess that the unsecure border has brought us.
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Exactly. The executive executes laws that the legislature created.
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Soon Trump will be recognized as the worst President in American history, even if he isn't impeached.
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Sounds like France in the 19th century. A little to penalizing.
Being here illegal is not a race or religion or a right! It is a crime! It has gone on for way too long! You want to stay here, become a citizen and work hard! Just like both sets of my grandparents did!
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No, Mark, all politics about illegal immigration aside, you're simply wrong. Being here illegally is not a crime. It is a civil offense, like parking in a no-parking zone. That's just the fact of the matter.
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Incorrect. It IS a crime. Title 8, Section 1325 of the U.S. Code (U.S.C.
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What a cowardly move. That's the hypocrisy of Donald Trump. And where is his "leadership"? Could he not take a strong stand and for once lead his party--as he tried to do with the dismantling of Obamacare -- to support this token Dreamer's Act? Politically and economically, the policy is even misconceived. So let's hear now from all those Republican Hispanics and ambitious young Hispanic leaders (mostly Cuban American) in organizations financed by the Koch Brothers--like the so-called "Libre-Initiative"-- paid to reach other Hispanics and recruit them into the Republican Party. What an embarrassment. Little spineless Trump. He cannot shoot one in the right direction.
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For centuries, behavior has been driven by law and, in contrast, by impulse, emotion, and romantic, utopian brutality, political manipulation, and mob massacres. If you support the former, you need to harden your heart and hold the line. Thousands of witless academics, hundreds of thousands of career bureaucrats, and hundreds of sensitive and ultra-clever wordsmiths will assail you with unbelievable blather. But always remember, "the law is the law". It can be changed and often should be. But until it is, those who ignore are prima fascie, disqualified from the debate.
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The same defense was used to justify slavery. Once upon a time it was the law of the land. The southerners of that era probably used that same quote; "the law is the law." Imperfect laws by imperfect men get changed because those whom are willing to make impassioned pleas on behalf of those whom don't have a voice among the halls of power. We don't mind the illegal immigrant that picks our fruit, clean our toilets, an watch our children for under the table wages. But the moment they demand to be brought into the light and be made legal citizens then we throw up our hands and say, "the law is the law."
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This guy is as insensitive as a rock! He just can't connect with anything that doesn't bring him adulation to his needy and narcissistic heart and money to his pocket! Sickening!
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Mr. President, "with heart", why not simply pardon all of these so called "criminals"?
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Trump takes decisive action! After all, "The sins of the father are to be laid upon the children." Its almost Biblical. Why should the US show no compassion for those who were brought here all unknowing when they were small children... explain that to me, Trump supporters? After all, if your father cheated on his taxes, and we can prove it, we should send you to jail because you lived at home when he did it... right? When someone breaks the law, its only justice to punish the whole family, even if they had no say in the decision to break the law in the first place, right? We have to make America safe for Americans, and protect American jobs, right? So all you "Americans" whose grandfather or father came here from Germany (I'm looking at you Trump!) should just prove you are legal immigrants or go back where you came from. If you're not Native American, you are an immigrant, or the child of an immigrant of some generation... and since we're holding you responsible for the actions of your parents, you need to prove you belong here now. Otherwise, we should just send you away... after all, that's what we're telling these DACA people. Wrong, wrong, wrong in so many ways. Trump scapegoating and deflecting again. Russia, Trump. What do you owe to Russia? What does Putin have on you? You can't hide it Trump - we will find out, and the law applies to presidents, too, not just powerless children.
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This reads line a wheelbarrow full of hysterical talking points tipped over. But since you ask, we do make children suffer hardship for their parents' crimes. If you rob a house and go to prison, your children may suffer without a father, or his income, for years. Blame the wrongdoer.
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"Native" Americans are immigrants also, having come to this continent from Asia, and possibly Europe, when it was still unpopulated by humans of any sort. For that matter, as a race we all came from Africa, which a lot of the old white men who voted for The Donald are loath to admit.
I can only hope that someone he knows personally is affected by this so he gets a lesson in human tragedy close up. Oh wait, he only knows immigrants who come in on EB-5 and K-1 visas.
I knew a fellow that was a dreamer from Canada.
Shame Shame Shame on Trump + Sessions.
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How about we run him up the flagpole literally and see if anyone salutes? How about that? And if no one does, leave him up there.
Thank you for your mature, reasoned opinion.
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Trump is a LIAR! He said he would protect Dreamers. Oh.... who would have known he'd break his word? HA! What a joke of a President. Aprils been over, let's let this joke go!
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Democrats? Where are you?
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Second generation immigrants, which DACA was designed to protect, generally have a positive effect on the economy. This is all the more true now that the population is aging and we need younger workers to help support those retiring, so once again Trump is going for a short term high while slowing long term economic growth and making our social security issues worse. But the DACA protesters are not doing themselves any favors by protesting in Spanish. Spanish only reinforces the right’s opinion that these immigrants don’t belong here.
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I am not without compassion for the Dreamers and have no problem with them remaining in the USA, but I have difficulty mustering any sympathy for them. If my parents moved me into a home which they did not own, I doubt if the rightful owners would allow me to stay once we had been discovered.
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Extremely simple concept; how can you pretend that your minor children have a right to something that the law explicitly denies to the parents????
In the case of immigration the children have no more right to enter/remain in the US just because they were "brought there"; in the case of trespassing or other illegal entry children (or any other individual) are not somehow entitled to continue trespassing/illegal occupation just because they were "brought there".
DACA proponents are only making things up in order to subvert the law and facilitate illegal immigration by any means necessary.
In the case of immigration the children have no more right to enter/remain in the US just because they were "brought there"; in the case of trespassing or other illegal entry children (or any other individual) are not somehow entitled to continue trespassing/illegal occupation just because they were "brought there".
DACA proponents are only making things up in order to subvert the law and facilitate illegal immigration by any means necessary.
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If you were two years old, you would be lucky to have a roof over your head. Or, you might not make it to three. Is that okay with you?
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As a Canadian, this could be a very big win for Canada. Our government has proven to be more than happy to boost our economy by admitting smart, well-trained, energetic ambitious people. That kind of immigration has a proven positive effect on economic growth for the whole country. The "Dreamers" seem to fit that bill to a T.
Not exactly win-win, but if Trump insists on a lose-win policy it's not our job to pull his bacon out of the fire.
Not exactly win-win, but if Trump insists on a lose-win policy it's not our job to pull his bacon out of the fire.
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Fair enough, but you also have to take the parents who are using them as anchors, the aunts and uncles and other relatives who chain- immigrate. Should be about 3.5 million altogether.
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Actually, Will, no they don't.
If the parents brought a minor child under 10 years of age to the US illegally, and have been here at least 5 years, the parents should be deported when the kid turns 18 for a minimum of 3 years. The kid can stay. Later, the kid can apply to sponsor the parents and go through the same process everyone else does.
DACA was a political decision on Obama's part to thwart congressional action (or inaction) with a calculated executive overreach in conflict with our constitution and his duty to enforce our laws.
I have no animus toward anyone: our borders are rightly enforceable, as are Mexico's, and our leaders have a duty to see to orderly and lawful consistent enforcement of our laws.
I have no animus toward anyone: our borders are rightly enforceable, as are Mexico's, and our leaders have a duty to see to orderly and lawful consistent enforcement of our laws.
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President Obama did this after immigration reform stalled in multiple congressional terms.You are also from michigan so please tell me how we will improve our state without these driven young people?People who trusted our govt to do the right thing if they came out of the shadows are now without trust in the rest of us.Detroit is rising because of the many immigrants who are taking advantage of our incredible natural and strategic resources while also creating more jobs for our native born.Our deep racial issues created much of our mess and I am afraid this will take us backward
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The US failure to enforce immigration laws created an "attractive nuisance".
In other words- the US immigration policy is culpable in the present reality that these kids were brought here as minors and potentially know no other culture.
Deporting them would be like sending an OldEngineer to Siberia.
In other words- the US immigration policy is culpable in the present reality that these kids were brought here as minors and potentially know no other culture.
Deporting them would be like sending an OldEngineer to Siberia.
How can our government willing inflict TRAUMA on ANYONE? Have we not learned that there are no good outcomes-- for all of us-- with such courses of action? PTSD. Mental Health concerns. Addiction. Violence. These are just a few of the known outcomes of trauma. Why? Why end DACA? What's the point?
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There is just no more to say than that Trump simply doesn't love enough to be president.
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Inconsistent? Last month Mar a Lago and the Trump Golf Club in Jupiter filed requests to hire H2B visa workers because; not enough American workers. The Trump administration has also moved to expand the H-2B program saying it would offer an additional 15,000 visas because; not enough American workers.
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It looks like the president is using his leverage on DACA to gather support for his other unpopular immigration bills. Such as the RAISE act and Funding for the border wall.
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So why would trump be doing this now when congress has so much on its plate?
It is because he is having trouble getting things passed and is having trouble getting funding for his wall.
I believe Trump intends to use the status of these kids as leverage.
I doubt he will agree to sign anything that does not have his other wishes attached to a bill. The funding for the wall is the most likely to be demanded as an attachment, but I would not be surprised if tax reform is attached was well.
DACA kids are now Trumps hostages.
It is because he is having trouble getting things passed and is having trouble getting funding for his wall.
I believe Trump intends to use the status of these kids as leverage.
I doubt he will agree to sign anything that does not have his other wishes attached to a bill. The funding for the wall is the most likely to be demanded as an attachment, but I would not be surprised if tax reform is attached was well.
DACA kids are now Trumps hostages.
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"I love this country and I belong here". Reminisce of what I believe Adam Clayton Powell said, "I live here, my life is here now" to combat what some said about African-Americans.
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I didn't think that I could think less of Trump and his gang as I do now!
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There were reports that Melania Trump did not comply with immigration law requirements to be here legally. If true, would we deport her?
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Those reports turned out to be fake news - look it up.
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Why punish people who were children when they came here? They had nothing to do with the decision to live in America. Shame on you Mr. Trump. This is a stain on our beloved country.
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Asking people to comply with the law (just American citizens must do) is not punishment.
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As Forrest Gump would say, "Despicable Is as Despicable Does!"
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How the GOP sees things:
Were you brought here in uterus? You're precious!
Were you brought here after birth? You've no worth.
Were you brought here in uterus? You're precious!
Were you brought here after birth? You've no worth.
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. ..Yokohamans named Bill with a Pinata (in this case mostly) to beat on with their Samurai swords from inside a nation so homogenous it would be the constant target if the NYT treated it like it was Ferguson. All the time knowing that Republicans will accomodate reason when congressional liberals recover their emotional centers.
Weird, please clarify your party nembership so as to avoid any misunderstanding. That comment has the potential to tax the suggestive gullibility of at least one third of commenters. Since Republicans do not think that way then the phony confession, how it would be processed in this echo chamber of free association, the result would be a phony thank you, anyway.
The interesting thing is that when I celebrate the premise of NYT pieces like this one it is because I wish it were true not because predictions, like 85% (inversely), ever come true. They are quite adroit for presenting politcally blind
The interesting thing is that when I celebrate the premise of NYT pieces like this one it is because I wish it were true not because predictions, like 85% (inversely), ever come true. They are quite adroit for presenting politcally blind
I don't see what the big issue is. If the dreamers are such upstanding people they would want to follow to law and return to their home countries and immigrate legally rather than insisting on the right to break the law and to cut in line in front of others. Let's help immigrate legally by sending them home to start the process.
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lots of these kids have no memory of anything but living in the US, this IS their home country.
you probably don't see what the big issue is because you don't care about anybody but yourself
you probably don't see what the big issue is because you don't care about anybody but yourself
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You're assuming that these kids 'came' from somewhere else. This clearly isn't the case for those BORN here. That is of no fault of there own. I don't believe for a second that you don't see how heartless it is to break up families and send children to places that, quite simply, they don't even know. I do believe that you are blindly and willingly ignoring the suffering these kids will go through -- for what? For a reality show host's whim?
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Good point. But they will never do that--it's all "no, we won't go, we are here to stay," etc. They are defiant.
This humanitarian mess is the totally predictable result of failing to secure our borders long ago. Reagan's 1986 amnesty was an open invitation for the millions who sneaked in afterwards, knowing full well that the US would never enforce immigration laws. Now a substantial proportion of the country is fed up and demanding action, which inevitably will hurt a lot of people. But without action to create disincentive, the flood will continue. Just like failing to discipline a child leads to worse behavior in the future, decades of feel good nonresponse is now exacting a terrible toll on those we essentially invited in the past.
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Well, duh.
Now, the "action" to create disincentive is to throw in jail every employer who hires undocumented labor. You see, we have this thing called e-Verify. It's a way for employers to check the validity of the applicant's papers. It's not mandatory. Know why? The Chamber of Commerce fights tooth and nail against having it be mandatory. Why? Because the business owners they represent want their cheap labor.
I would be happy to see my tax dollars going to hiring ICE agents to audit the books of every single employer in America. That, I would get behind.
Many people are fed up with the undocumented workers. I'm fed up with the employers.
Now, the "action" to create disincentive is to throw in jail every employer who hires undocumented labor. You see, we have this thing called e-Verify. It's a way for employers to check the validity of the applicant's papers. It's not mandatory. Know why? The Chamber of Commerce fights tooth and nail against having it be mandatory. Why? Because the business owners they represent want their cheap labor.
I would be happy to see my tax dollars going to hiring ICE agents to audit the books of every single employer in America. That, I would get behind.
Many people are fed up with the undocumented workers. I'm fed up with the employers.
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Having DACA in place did not encourage Congress to act. Now having it removed, will that encourage Congress to act?
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You betcha, and I predict the DACA program, much to disgust of the Trumpanistas, will become law. When 400 US chief executives write an open letter to congress objecting to rescinding DACA, they'll listen.
The president did the right thing.
He is asking the congress to answer a simple premise: How long must someone avoid immigration law before it becomes mute, regardless of age or circumstance, infant, 5, 10 or 60.
IF congress wants to pass a statue of limitations on illegal immigration so be it. For example if one came illegally before the age of 18 the limitation could be 5 years. What happens to the adults who brought them? What are to be the country's standards going forward? Good questions all.
Only the congress can debate and resolve all the complexities.
Please stop the demagoguery. None of the DACA individuals are going to be deported unless they choose to become felons.
He is asking the congress to answer a simple premise: How long must someone avoid immigration law before it becomes mute, regardless of age or circumstance, infant, 5, 10 or 60.
IF congress wants to pass a statue of limitations on illegal immigration so be it. For example if one came illegally before the age of 18 the limitation could be 5 years. What happens to the adults who brought them? What are to be the country's standards going forward? Good questions all.
Only the congress can debate and resolve all the complexities.
Please stop the demagoguery. None of the DACA individuals are going to be deported unless they choose to become felons.
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congressional republicans can't do ANYTHING except try to enrich the wealthy
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Your response is very thoughtful
It's often said that any given presidential administration can accomplish one or two major policy changes during its time. Trump keeps dumping more and more demands on Congress, always without blueprint or guidelines, and also demanding that they do all the heavy lifting.
In other words, this administration expects to change dozens of major issues, but doesn't want to do any of the actual work.
Decide, O President! If you want things done, you have to get your hands dirty; if you want to blame it all on Congress, don't expect them to support all your outrageous demands.
In other words, this administration expects to change dozens of major issues, but doesn't want to do any of the actual work.
Decide, O President! If you want things done, you have to get your hands dirty; if you want to blame it all on Congress, don't expect them to support all your outrageous demands.
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The GOP in general has made its mission to end The American Dream.
The idea of America that I grew up with is completely foreign to people like Trump. His idea is to slam doors, distain people, leave people behind and to cultivate a small hateful gang to pitch his equally uninspired, fearful message to.
Hopefully we can kick a lot of these guys to the curb in 2018.
The idea of America that I grew up with is completely foreign to people like Trump. His idea is to slam doors, distain people, leave people behind and to cultivate a small hateful gang to pitch his equally uninspired, fearful message to.
Hopefully we can kick a lot of these guys to the curb in 2018.
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What's clear in policy after policy, presidential order after order, treaty after treaty, is that he alone can't fix it, but he alone can destroy it.
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This is typical of anything the republican party stands for.
Say one thing ( lie ) while voting in lockstep for the policy that is so corrosive to the country, but highly profitable for a select few at the top. This decision just so happens to have the currency of children's lives.
Say one thing ( lie ) while voting in lockstep for the policy that is so corrosive to the country, but highly profitable for a select few at the top. This decision just so happens to have the currency of children's lives.
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I would be in favor of giving the dreamers citizenship and letting them stay without any penalties if:
1. All Federal laws are rescinded.
2. All the people who have broken federal laws are pardoned.
3. All penalties refunded to the offenders.
4. Restitution to the offenders for prison time served.
This would be merciful, and would put everyone who has broken the law on an even footing. Otherwise, it is difficult to know which crimes will get you an invitation to the White House, and which ones will land you in prison.
1. All Federal laws are rescinded.
2. All the people who have broken federal laws are pardoned.
3. All penalties refunded to the offenders.
4. Restitution to the offenders for prison time served.
This would be merciful, and would put everyone who has broken the law on an even footing. Otherwise, it is difficult to know which crimes will get you an invitation to the White House, and which ones will land you in prison.
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so, someone who came here as a 1-year-old is equivalent to a mass murderer?
republican logic strikes again
republican logic strikes again
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Why not ask Joe Arpaio.
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What about the hundreds of thousands who did not receive pardons, have no victims, and are rotting away in jail waiting for their invitation to the White House?
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It may be true that Congress should pass the laws allowing the "Dreamers" to stay in this country but our current congress does not seem capable of passing ANY laws. I worked with dreamers in Texas, I believe in the dreamers. Legal or not many of them are doing what immigrants legal or not have always done-work hard and live responsible lives. Do not allow this president and this congress to keep breaking down all the things that built this country to begin with.
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"...When the history of our times is written, it might relate that the majority repressed the rights of minorities by demonizing them using appeals to group prejudice—by blaming entire ethnic groups for the criminal behavior of some few members of those groups. That history might reflect that this was done for short-term political gain. If that happens, it will have changed America far more radically and dangerously than any wave of undocumented immigrants did. And that would be profoundly and perhaps irreparably un-American"
COPYRIGHT 2015 ANDREW P. NAPOLITANO
COPYRIGHT 2015 ANDREW P. NAPOLITANO
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This is what a true legislative compromise would look like:
Illegal immigrants should never be able to get a green card -- green cards should be wholly reserved for those who began their immigration path lawfully. Illegal immigrants should only be able to get "yellow cards" or "red cards".
The element of willfulness is key. For those whose initial act of illegal immigration was as a minor and non-willful (the "Dreamers"), amnesty should be in the form of a "yellow card". A yellow card would encompass the same rights as a green card, including the right to naturalize (after 5 years in yellow card status), but with a few key exceptions: 1) while in yellow card status, the inability to petition anyone for a green card; 2) a permanent bar to ever petitioning their parents or siblings for a green card; 3) upon naturalization, the ability to petition a spouse and minor children of their own for a green card; and 4) a permanent bar to holding any federal government job which is related to immigration law.
For those whose initial act of illegal immigration was willful, if they are to get any amnesty at all, it should be in the form of a "red card". A red card would encompass the same rights as a green card, with some major exceptions: 1) red card holders would be permanently barred from naturalizing; 2) red card holders would be permanently barred from petitioning anyone for a green card; and 3) red card holders would be permanently barred from holding any federal government job.
Illegal immigrants should never be able to get a green card -- green cards should be wholly reserved for those who began their immigration path lawfully. Illegal immigrants should only be able to get "yellow cards" or "red cards".
The element of willfulness is key. For those whose initial act of illegal immigration was as a minor and non-willful (the "Dreamers"), amnesty should be in the form of a "yellow card". A yellow card would encompass the same rights as a green card, including the right to naturalize (after 5 years in yellow card status), but with a few key exceptions: 1) while in yellow card status, the inability to petition anyone for a green card; 2) a permanent bar to ever petitioning their parents or siblings for a green card; 3) upon naturalization, the ability to petition a spouse and minor children of their own for a green card; and 4) a permanent bar to holding any federal government job which is related to immigration law.
For those whose initial act of illegal immigration was willful, if they are to get any amnesty at all, it should be in the form of a "red card". A red card would encompass the same rights as a green card, with some major exceptions: 1) red card holders would be permanently barred from naturalizing; 2) red card holders would be permanently barred from petitioning anyone for a green card; and 3) red card holders would be permanently barred from holding any federal government job.
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Interesting proposal. Stay but not without paying some kind of penalty, in this case a forfeiture of some rights.
It will never be enough for those who have come to believe Dreamers are entitled to all rights despite their having broken laws (thank you, democrats) but it might satisfy those who believe in the rule of law.
It will never be enough for those who have come to believe Dreamers are entitled to all rights despite their having broken laws (thank you, democrats) but it might satisfy those who believe in the rule of law.
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I see you've given this a lot of thought.
Trump's predecessor, President Obama wasn't perfect - no one is but Trump knows that comparatively, he's blatantly inept! Obama is an organized manager, a compassionate leader, and such an eloquent speaker. He's a hard act for Trump to follow! Since taking office, Trump has really only focused on indiscriminately reversing President Obama's policies. Perhaps if he erases Obama's legacy, he won't be compared negatively with the first black President. Trump hasn't taken aim on any other President's legacies only Obama's. Why's that? Donald Trump's a shell of a man and he knows it - His attacks aren't merely political, they're brought about by his own insecurities!
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I think we would all not be here today if we had comprehensive immigration reform. That issue was poisoned by democrats by demanding citizenship for illegals. I think if we came to a reasonable compromise that includes e-verify and no citizenship for illegals, then i think politicians would find it easy to let the so called Dreamers stay.
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Trump Ends "Dreamers" Program, Begins "Nightmare" Program
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yes cruel. Bargining with their lives
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he seems to know how to dreams into nightmares...SAD!
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Killing DACA is a "two-fer" for Trump.
First he gets the satisfaction of erasing yet another legacy of the Obama administration. He hates Obama with a passion (because Obama is everything classy, literate and urbane that Trump is not - despite Obama's lack of Daddy's money and his brown skin).
Second, by killing DACA, Trump gets to send another bullying message to his bigoted base that he will kick those "bad hombres" out of the county. Never mind that the actual Dreamers impacted by the repeal of DACA are A) here through no fault of their own and B) actually, in most cases, our "best and brightest" (as Prof. Krugman amply documents in his column).
But all Trump's base perceives is, "Good, Trump is Making America White Again".
Meanwhile, Lady Liberty weeps.
Mr. Sessions - you need to climb up Lady Liberty's arm and extinguish her torch. Then on the way back down you can pause to spit in her eye (just like you spit into the eyes of 800,000 Americans this morning).
First he gets the satisfaction of erasing yet another legacy of the Obama administration. He hates Obama with a passion (because Obama is everything classy, literate and urbane that Trump is not - despite Obama's lack of Daddy's money and his brown skin).
Second, by killing DACA, Trump gets to send another bullying message to his bigoted base that he will kick those "bad hombres" out of the county. Never mind that the actual Dreamers impacted by the repeal of DACA are A) here through no fault of their own and B) actually, in most cases, our "best and brightest" (as Prof. Krugman amply documents in his column).
But all Trump's base perceives is, "Good, Trump is Making America White Again".
Meanwhile, Lady Liberty weeps.
Mr. Sessions - you need to climb up Lady Liberty's arm and extinguish her torch. Then on the way back down you can pause to spit in her eye (just like you spit into the eyes of 800,000 Americans this morning).
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Today Jeff Sessions said of DACA "It denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same illegal aliens to take those jobs.” What is he talking about? How can he say such a stupid thing? Through no fault of their own, these kids and young people live here in the only country they've ever known. They are Americans. If they are working, they are contributing to the economy and they got their jobs like everybody else. They are taking nothing from anybody.
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“We are people of compassion, and we are people of law, but there is nothing compassionate about the failure to enforce immigration law,” Mr. Sessions said.
Jeff Sessions- Neither is the enforcement of immigration law compassionate. Neither is the enforcement or lack thereof properly described as "blue", "benign", "effortless", "delicious", nor any other inappropriate adjective.
Jeff Sessions- Your catchy juxtaposition of unrelated phrases does not render you intelligent, nor further any argument. One wonders whether you have any real mastery of the English language.
Jeff Sessions- Neither is the enforcement of immigration law compassionate. Neither is the enforcement or lack thereof properly described as "blue", "benign", "effortless", "delicious", nor any other inappropriate adjective.
Jeff Sessions- Your catchy juxtaposition of unrelated phrases does not render you intelligent, nor further any argument. One wonders whether you have any real mastery of the English language.
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The only time Potus is alright with foreign born workers is when he can pay them slave wages at one of his properties. Shame.
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This is a disgusting, hateful thing to do but - unfortunately - entirely consistent and in keeping with the immoral, alt-right / Neo-Nazi pandering behavior of our awful president.
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Please explain what in earth this has to do with neo Nazis and the alt-right? So tired of this kind of knee jerk reaction to Trump. You will convince more people if you make sense.
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He panders to white nationalist. This is something you know. Everyone knows. He has done this since the primary season. Everything he says or does will be tinged by that. Never Forget, Remember!
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Uh, no, Veritas. Everyone does not know. Some do believe anything, however.
Obama's "birthers" look quaint compared to the "white supremacist" Trump haters.
Obama's "birthers" look quaint compared to the "white supremacist" Trump haters.
House republicans passed a bill to repeal DACA in 2014:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/republicans-vote-to-end-daca
This is a link to the roll call vote on HR 5272, sponsored by my representative Marsha Blackburn:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll479.xml
The few republicans who are voicing some sympathy for the Dreamers, like Paul Ryan, voted to repeal DACA.
The republican party has shifted further to the right since 2014.
The core republican base views DACA as unacceptable amnesty.
While anything is possible, I would seriously doubt the GOP will bring up a stand alone DACA replacement since that would subject most of their members to primary challengers further to the right.
Instead, there may be a plan that would be tied to the Democrats agreeing to fund the wall and to limit legal immigration. That approach was hinted at today by Donald's press secretary.
I would not expect the a large number of deportations prior to the 2018 election.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/republicans-vote-to-end-daca
This is a link to the roll call vote on HR 5272, sponsored by my representative Marsha Blackburn:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll479.xml
The few republicans who are voicing some sympathy for the Dreamers, like Paul Ryan, voted to repeal DACA.
The republican party has shifted further to the right since 2014.
The core republican base views DACA as unacceptable amnesty.
While anything is possible, I would seriously doubt the GOP will bring up a stand alone DACA replacement since that would subject most of their members to primary challengers further to the right.
Instead, there may be a plan that would be tied to the Democrats agreeing to fund the wall and to limit legal immigration. That approach was hinted at today by Donald's press secretary.
I would not expect the a large number of deportations prior to the 2018 election.
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Trump did the right thing today. He asked congress to come up with legislation that will permanently address immigration, and give the Dreamers a deserved path to citizenship that they cannot have under a continuation of DACA, and to effectively regulate immigration on a going forward basis. I think there is enough bi partisan support on both sides to get it done.
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1. DACA allows Dreamers, under VERY strict and severe conditions, a path to citizenship, so if this is what Trump wanted, all he had to do is to continue the program.
2. There have been a lot of bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bills during the last years, in Congress, but they were never passed and written into law.
3. Trump today supports an extremely partisan, new immigration reform bill, that will never ever get through Congress and he knows it. He also knows a majority in Congress and a majority of the American people support DACA, so he threatens to end it only in order to force them to pass a highly unpopular immigration bill.
He tried the same strategy already with healthcare.
So he should have learned by now that it's totally ineffective and doesn't work ... which apparently he hasn't. My guess: just like with HC, he'll end up with NO bill at all, and then will blame Congress, rather to admit that he did NOT engage in real, effective negotiations nor any SERIOUS deal making with Congress ...
2. There have been a lot of bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bills during the last years, in Congress, but they were never passed and written into law.
3. Trump today supports an extremely partisan, new immigration reform bill, that will never ever get through Congress and he knows it. He also knows a majority in Congress and a majority of the American people support DACA, so he threatens to end it only in order to force them to pass a highly unpopular immigration bill.
He tried the same strategy already with healthcare.
So he should have learned by now that it's totally ineffective and doesn't work ... which apparently he hasn't. My guess: just like with HC, he'll end up with NO bill at all, and then will blame Congress, rather to admit that he did NOT engage in real, effective negotiations nor any SERIOUS deal making with Congress ...
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A great opportunity for Congress to unanimously pass a bill identical to DACA and it would be veto proof. Congress could show itself to be a bipartisan legislative body.
No one opposed it.
Will GOP which controls Congress have the courage and the moral backbone to do it?
No one opposed it.
Will GOP which controls Congress have the courage and the moral backbone to do it?
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Au contraire:
"I think Trump has given up on 2020."
Trump is an old geezer, and so he may be dead or disabled by 2020, or choose not to run. And a great deal can happen between now and 2020. But if Trump is alive, not disabled, and chooses to run, and if the election were based on voter sentiment today, Trump would win in a landslide. I didn't vote for him last time, and I don't know how I'll vote in 2020, but I'd vote for him today (especially given the Democratic alternatives), and so would most voters.
If you want to beat Trump in 2020, it may be time to get your head out of the sand. Start by not pretending that his loss in 2020 is a foregone conclusion.
"I think Trump has given up on 2020."
Trump is an old geezer, and so he may be dead or disabled by 2020, or choose not to run. And a great deal can happen between now and 2020. But if Trump is alive, not disabled, and chooses to run, and if the election were based on voter sentiment today, Trump would win in a landslide. I didn't vote for him last time, and I don't know how I'll vote in 2020, but I'd vote for him today (especially given the Democratic alternatives), and so would most voters.
If you want to beat Trump in 2020, it may be time to get your head out of the sand. Start by not pretending that his loss in 2020 is a foregone conclusion.
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His critics seem determined to spend the next 4 years trying to prove they were right about him. In other words, they're still unwilling to admit they got it wrong.
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Uh no. Trump will not win by a landslide in 2020. Are you among the few that think that HRC didn't get 3 million more votes than he did?
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GenerationXChick:
A "landslide" implies a "win". Hillary didn't win.
A "landslide" implies a "win". Hillary didn't win.
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By short-circuiting the legislative process via an executive action Obama did the hispanic community a disservice.
Legalizing illegal immigrants is a political problem, and should be done via the political process. If there is no consensus then legislation doesn't pass. It's pretty simple.
Legalizing illegal immigrants is a political problem, and should be done via the political process. If there is no consensus then legislation doesn't pass. It's pretty simple.
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Take emotions out of this and you will see that this is the right decision. People are allowing their feelings toward Trump to dictate the conversation and its clouding their sense or reality.
When Obama signed the executive order, he knew it was only a temporary fix. It would have been very hard for a court to uphold an executive order that is in direct contrast to laws on the books. Like it or not, its very simple. Even with an executive, these individuals have no legal status in the United States. The DACA order was simply a temporary solution.
People can call Trump what they want but this is the only way to truly fix anything. The only way to truly change the system is to pass legislation that provides a permanent solution for the DREAMers. If he continued the executive order, he would have just been kicking the can down the road.
When Obama signed the executive order, he knew it was only a temporary fix. It would have been very hard for a court to uphold an executive order that is in direct contrast to laws on the books. Like it or not, its very simple. Even with an executive, these individuals have no legal status in the United States. The DACA order was simply a temporary solution.
People can call Trump what they want but this is the only way to truly fix anything. The only way to truly change the system is to pass legislation that provides a permanent solution for the DREAMers. If he continued the executive order, he would have just been kicking the can down the road.
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Take emotions out and the right thing to do would be to broker a deal with McConnell and Ryan to fix this through congress. Republicans control both chambers, and it's not like if they wanted to make DACA permanent that Pelosi or Schumer would get in the way. Trump took the cowardly way out.
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If you haven't noticed, Congress isn't exactly jumping through hoops to help out Trump and vice versa. He is now forcing Congress to come together, do their job, and create legislation that will legally stand the test of time. Simple as that.
"Cowardly" is allowing your personal feelings on him into the conversation and overlooks the fact that there is no legal standing for any DREAMer in the United States. They are in limbo.
It's very easy to say he could broker deals and do this and that. What he is doing, is making those who create the laws, create the solution. Its the only way for this to work legally.
"Cowardly" is allowing your personal feelings on him into the conversation and overlooks the fact that there is no legal standing for any DREAMer in the United States. They are in limbo.
It's very easy to say he could broker deals and do this and that. What he is doing, is making those who create the laws, create the solution. Its the only way for this to work legally.
This is grotesque. We're the people who slaughtered the former inhabitants of our blessed land. All ours now. Excpet for those ruddy casinos we can't tax. We'll work on that. These kids are Americans for all practical purposes. Emphasize "practical." The urge isn't a plea for obeying laws. It's a program to get rid of various shades of brown people. The Statue of Liberty should be dismantled and put into storage until this madness is overcome. it won't abate on its own.
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Yet another step backward for the US by the President, while trying to satisfy his 30-35% supporters. Whoever the individuals are who make up the Trump base, it is constantly surprising to me that I do not back a single thing they seem to want. Based on their exclusionary positions, it seems to be a group afraid of the others, the people who do not look like them. What are they so afraid of?
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Perhaps I have missed it, but what is the Democratic Party's plan for immigration? I am familiar with their 'reform' but that is merely another word for amnesty. Is there a Democratic proposal that includes border enforcement or is the plan to encourage unlimited illegal immigration, the same as open borders? Is there consideration for the long term consequences of open borders?
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The Dreamer pitch is that they should be given legal status
because they were supposedly "brought here through no fault of their own".
So, who was at fault?
Their parents of course.
Will at the Dems and the pro-open borders crowd ever come out as say so?
Highly doubtful.
Instead, they will start pitching amnesty for their parents.
In order to prevent deportation which supposedly "breaks up families".
So, the Dreamers morph into Anchor Babies 2.0.
because they were supposedly "brought here through no fault of their own".
So, who was at fault?
Their parents of course.
Will at the Dems and the pro-open borders crowd ever come out as say so?
Highly doubtful.
Instead, they will start pitching amnesty for their parents.
In order to prevent deportation which supposedly "breaks up families".
So, the Dreamers morph into Anchor Babies 2.0.
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I am a teacher who has taught children of undocumented workers, and I don't think I have ever felt so strongly about an issue before. Now that my own children are grown, I can honestly say that I will lie down in front of planes, trains and automobiles to prevent Dreamers from deportation, and I'm not alone in my feelings. This is war!
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That would send the wrong message:
"President Trump does indeed have the power to fix this, he can pardon the Dreamers!"
To formally pardon the Dreamers would be to tell legal immigrants they'd wasted their time and money playing by our rules. Better to just look the other way unless a Dreamer commits a crime. I have no doubt (as in "zero") that no Dreamer will be deported unless he commits a crime. And if he's deported because he commits a crime, that's OK with me.
"President Trump does indeed have the power to fix this, he can pardon the Dreamers!"
To formally pardon the Dreamers would be to tell legal immigrants they'd wasted their time and money playing by our rules. Better to just look the other way unless a Dreamer commits a crime. I have no doubt (as in "zero") that no Dreamer will be deported unless he commits a crime. And if he's deported because he commits a crime, that's OK with me.
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Is there any monstrosity this human entity will not commit to appease his deplorable base? What about the 7 in 10 who are not his base? Do they come into consideration at all?
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I notice that all of the DACA discussion is around latino's. I was curious to see how the non-Latino DACA community was reacting. I checked some India blogs and newspaper comments and a lot of them are saying that we have to respect the laws of the country and accept what happens. They are not pretending as if they are entitled to permanently stay in the USA.
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Also Irish and others who overstayed visas. This is not about race and trying to make it so diminishes the arguments in favor of DACA.
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The Dreamer protest placards often are written in Spanish.
Never Hindi, Arabic, Chinese, etc.
Partly because well over 90% of Dreamers are Mexicans and other Latin Americans.
And partly because very few of the self-proclaimed Liberal cognoscenti can come close to managing any foreign language -- other than some who can possibly manage second year high school Spanish which they ludicrously consider the mark of cosmopolitan bilingualism and which they haughtily flaunt in the faces of the supposed Deplorables.
Never Hindi, Arabic, Chinese, etc.
Partly because well over 90% of Dreamers are Mexicans and other Latin Americans.
And partly because very few of the self-proclaimed Liberal cognoscenti can come close to managing any foreign language -- other than some who can possibly manage second year high school Spanish which they ludicrously consider the mark of cosmopolitan bilingualism and which they haughtily flaunt in the faces of the supposed Deplorables.
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DACA was a totally illegal policy by the Obama administration. This article describes those who fall under DACA as "unauthorized immigrants" when in reality it should read illegal aliens.
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DACA wasn't illegal or at the very least was not yet illegal. The court system didn't issue a final ruling on it (see Texas v. United States). The president is also able to choose through 'deferred action' which aspects of laws will be enforced first or where priorities will be placed due to limited resources. Hence DACA starts with Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, it isn't a law but a statement of priorities until later action remedies the situation.
Viva Trump! Now illegal aliens will have to obey the law - just as American citizens must.
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Yes, what most people fail to consider is that most Americans are not given a blanket exemption to break laws. When they break the law, they are prosecuted and face a penalty.
That's hardly "fair."
That's hardly "fair."
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Unfortunately, American citizens don't have to obey the law equally. If you have lots of money then lots of laws just don't apply. This notion that we are a country of laws and all of them have to be followed. I don't hear Trump telling Texas to end their quest for voter ID, even though it is illegal according to the courts and the voting rights act which was passed by Congress.
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I hope you never drive a mile over the speed limit. Did you ever jay walk? How about serving a beer to a 20 year old? Do all your recycling properly? Lie on your income tax? Believe a president who assaults women is okay? Or who lies? Who passes executive orders you like?
All of you people who say the must 'obey the law' are very selective. PB
All of you people who say the must 'obey the law' are very selective. PB
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As soon as the subject of extending DACA is broached, the right wing screams 'AMNESTY"!
But what does Trump give the right-wing poster-boy - Joe Arpaio? AMNESTY (euphemised as a pardon)!
Why doesn't Trump simply PARDON the 800,000 or so DACA-eligible immigrants???
But what does Trump give the right-wing poster-boy - Joe Arpaio? AMNESTY (euphemised as a pardon)!
Why doesn't Trump simply PARDON the 800,000 or so DACA-eligible immigrants???
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Trump, true to his base and loyalty to his followers, has thumbed his nose at American diversity and family values. Trump questioning Obama's birthright ls consistent with his kicking out legitimate American born kids. We have raised and educated them to be loyal productive citizens of America so that they can kicked out and become potential competitors and/or enemies of America. The damage done to American standing in the world is incalculable. Great job Donald! Russia and ISIS loves you.
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The rule of law is what keeps American democracy on an even keel.
Whether we approve of a certain law or not, we must (try our best) to abide it.
Whether we approve of a certain law or not, we must (try our best) to abide it.
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I hope you never drive a mile over the speed limit. Did you ever jay walk? How about serving a beer to a 20 year old? Do all your recycling properly? Lie on your income tax? Believe a president who assaults women is okay? Or who lies? Who passes executive orders you like? Take a hit on a bong?
All of you people who say the must 'obey the law' are very selective. PB
All of you people who say the must 'obey the law' are very selective. PB
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Rule of law and the Constitution trumps "American diversity and family values."
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This illegitimate president and his administration will continue to do great harm to this country until the people and their congress find the will to impeach. Why don't we follow the courageous example of Kenya and call for a new election. This president and his administration is tainted with criminal conspiracy, corruption, and collusion with a foreign adversary.
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It is time now the the ingdigenous people of this country follow Potus and take their claim to the courts and begin the removal of all illegal dreamers that have entered over the last centuries.
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Pitiful excuse for a leader. Didn't even have the "fortitude " to deliver his own decision! Sessions just as bad! Trump abuses him recently and Sessions says, give me more. Pathetic they can't see past their own ignorant noses. Trump thinks, no one will blame him because he has his little minion announce the dirty deed. No sense to be made out of this. Don't count on pathetic republicans.
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Cowards rule us. Cowards with vengeance.
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What about 800000 pardons? Oh those are reserved for people like Sheriff Joe who discriminate against Hispanics.
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The whole reason we are having this controversy is due to the establishment of the fourteenth amendment, which was approved by a congress determined to clarify the citizenship of the former slaves by stating that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States . . . . are citizens of the United States." Upon ratification, no one would be able to state that a former slave was not a citizen of this country, because he or she had been born here. And all Americans should agree that this intent of the amendment is entirely appropriate.
At the same time, this country was not experiencing the desire of people from other nations to participate in "birth tourism", and there had not been the sustained assault across its southern border by persons determined to reside here without regard to law. What are the chances that the amendment would have been approved during that period if America was experiencing the extent of illegal immigration of the past 20 years at the time the amendment was being considered?
In addition, those of us who have reservations concerning the numbers of both legal and illegal immigration are accused of a lack of concern for others and of heartlessness. The logical conclusion of those who favor the permitting of extensive immigration is that this practice should be expanded. Who for instance thinks that life in Somalia or the Democratic Republic of Congo is humane? We should then allow all of their citizens to emigrate here freely without restriction.
At the same time, this country was not experiencing the desire of people from other nations to participate in "birth tourism", and there had not been the sustained assault across its southern border by persons determined to reside here without regard to law. What are the chances that the amendment would have been approved during that period if America was experiencing the extent of illegal immigration of the past 20 years at the time the amendment was being considered?
In addition, those of us who have reservations concerning the numbers of both legal and illegal immigration are accused of a lack of concern for others and of heartlessness. The logical conclusion of those who favor the permitting of extensive immigration is that this practice should be expanded. Who for instance thinks that life in Somalia or the Democratic Republic of Congo is humane? We should then allow all of their citizens to emigrate here freely without restriction.
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"In addition, those of us who have reservations concerning the numbers of both legal and illegal immigration are accused of a lack of concern for others and of heartlessness."
More a lack of common sense and honesty.
1. It is US corporations, like Trumps many construction companies and hotels, who hire undocumented workers due to cheap wages, lack of labor law protection and ability to exploit them. So start there. Fine every company $250,000 for every undocumented worker. $50,000 goes to whoever provided the information $150,000 goes to the undocumented worker. $50,000 to US to cover expenses.
2. The undocumented workers don't take jobs, they have lower law enforcement issues than any other group, they pay billions in tax and fee dollars (SS, Medicare, Fed income tax, state income tax, sales taxes, local taxes, property taxes, gasoline taxes) for which they get no benefit.
If people are REALLY so concerned over undocumented work, then the above is a win-win for all concerned.
More a lack of common sense and honesty.
1. It is US corporations, like Trumps many construction companies and hotels, who hire undocumented workers due to cheap wages, lack of labor law protection and ability to exploit them. So start there. Fine every company $250,000 for every undocumented worker. $50,000 goes to whoever provided the information $150,000 goes to the undocumented worker. $50,000 to US to cover expenses.
2. The undocumented workers don't take jobs, they have lower law enforcement issues than any other group, they pay billions in tax and fee dollars (SS, Medicare, Fed income tax, state income tax, sales taxes, local taxes, property taxes, gasoline taxes) for which they get no benefit.
If people are REALLY so concerned over undocumented work, then the above is a win-win for all concerned.
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I find it very odd that Trump claims almost unlimited executive powers that allow him to keep immigrants from coming into the country, but he is now telling us he doesn't have any constitutional powers to allow those already in the country to stay in the USA. Go figure!
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He only has the power to do things he wants to do.
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This decision is shameful and will rank among the all too many dreadful decisions that have been made over the years: Dred Scott, Internment of Japanese Americans and the like. There are too many Javert's out there who espouse the ever importance of 'the Law'. failing to realize that sometimes the Law is just wrong. Individuals who are/were innocent of any crime may be given major punishment. Imagine being exiled to a place where you know no-one and don't even speak the language. This decision is unAmerican.
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Really? The same as Dred Scott and Japanese American internment camps?
Eleanor Roosevelt said "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." now what happens when their dreams are crushed... your sentencing dreamers to a nightmare.
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More than likely this issue will expand into a larger controversy. Birthright citizenship has experienced reduction through legislation in most other developed nations over the recent past. Undoubtedly, it will evolve into a corollary argument in the US debate. Visa programs, and their holders, in particular, have used birthright citizenship in a questionable fashion..
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So have people born here. Some assault women sexually, cheat creditors, and bully anyone they want, and then become president by appealing to the worst in others. I find that a betrayal of citizenship.
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Jb: Understand the comment. Any person born here, with limited exceptions, gains birthright citizenship. This is true of children born in the US of illegal immigrants and children born of foreign nationals on visas. Most nations no longer provide that liberal an opportunity. Let's make an attempt not to obfuscate issues.
I think you understand my point.
Is anybody still surprised that Trump is following up campaign vows with official action to appease the white victims that make up his and the Republican Party's base. The GOP will someday rue the day it tossed out what principles it had left to assemble a majority that cannot govern. But not yet. March 5 will come and go. Moderates Republicans will wring their hands at the legislative inaction while Republican voters cheer the commencement of the deportation of the innocent. We only can hope that Democrats use these accumulated atrocities to build a durable, multicultural majority. Included in it a white majority incensed at what their country has become.
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I am the grandchild of immigrants and pro-immigrant. And I will not be pulling the lever for anyone named Trump, ever. That said, I think this is the right decision because Congress needs to start passing legislation again. I am tired of our Congressional inaction being remedied by Presidential executive orders. The Democrats and Republicans need to work together to do what we pay them to do - run our country. Congress now has a deadline of March to create a progrom that will allow these wonderful young people to become citizens and to remain valuable tax-payers of our great nation.
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Why is this the right decision? Odds are Congress continues to not get anything done. It seems like to me that the responsible and moral decision is for the president to work with Congress to come up with an appropriate law to remedy the situation. He could sign the new law into being while ending DACA at the same time. Instead, he has decided to make the next six months an endless guessing game for almost a million people. This is a cruel decision or at the very least completely amoral.
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For a change, Trump did exactly the right thing. Obama's executive order was of questionable validity and could be reversed at any time. Very importantly, it also leaves the dreamers in limbo - they are not permanent residents and have no clear path to become permanent residents or citizens. This is a big disadvantage, e.g., it makes them ineligible for many forms of financial aid at many colleges. Trump has now forced Congress to do it's job. They can no longer sit on their tails and do nothing about the immigration mess. Now they've got to do what they should have done a long time ago and pass a law at least fixing the status of the dreamers and making them permanent residents, preferably with a path to full citizenship.
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America's greatest asset is its idealism. If we abandon this, we will eventually abandon everything.
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I disagree. America's greatest asset is it constitution.
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Putting this issue into the hands of Congress could establish a more solid foundation for the Dreamers to not only stay but also get a solid path to citizenship that can't be overturned by the courts later on. But this legislation needs to happen now while both houses have a majority of pro-DACA votes. If the Hill waits too long, and the anti-DACA reps in the House are able to gain traction, the Dreamers could be in jeapardy.
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