Ball players have been stealing signs since day one, everyone knows this. So someone used technology, big deal. A. Rod was well known for stealing signs using eye sight alone so I say stop the distractions and play baseball.
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Hope the Sox and Yanks enjoy battling this out while the Indians cruise to the best record in the AL and a return trip to the World Series.
Well, starting 40 years ago, in 1977, the New York Yankees have been using their market/revenue dominance and the "free agent" system to steal from the Boston Red Sox AND every other team in baseball.
So I can't really get too outraged at the news that one of their rivals is trying to "balance the scales" in some other fashion.
When a long overdue NFL-style system of equal revenue sharing is FINALLY implemented by MLB, giving ALL teams an equal chance of success, THEN I might be a bit more appalled by a story such as this.
So I can't really get too outraged at the news that one of their rivals is trying to "balance the scales" in some other fashion.
When a long overdue NFL-style system of equal revenue sharing is FINALLY implemented by MLB, giving ALL teams an equal chance of success, THEN I might be a bit more appalled by a story such as this.
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The real story here is that someone found a way to make the overpriced iWatch useful.
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Major League Baseball, first and foremost, is for kids who are innocent and blessed with the time to imagine themselves in the shoes of their heroes. I remember being one of them. Yastrzemski could do wrong. I emulated Luis Tiant's windup in the backyard. But once you've lost that innocence, once you've grown to a certain age and see the world for what it is, professional baseball should be put in its proper perspective: It's a big-money entertainment behemoth that has lost its way. It's one more reminder that grownups need to pursue more enriching experiences that feed their spirit, rather than grumbling over millionaire twentysomethings chasing after a ball.
Sign-stealing? Who cares. Just, please give my Yankees more Chris Sale.
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So, the Apple Watch had nothing to do with 'stealing signs' but only had to do with speeding up one link in the communications chain that goes:
Video review guy -->
Trainer in dugout -->
Runner on Second -->
Batter.
And it only was employed because Fenway Park (unlike Yankee Stadium) isn't set up to enable quick verbal communication between Video review guy and Trainer in dugout.
And the Yankees, and every other team in baseball, engages in the same sign-stealing process.
And everyone in the business of baseball knows it and understands it.
Video review guy -->
Trainer in dugout -->
Runner on Second -->
Batter.
And it only was employed because Fenway Park (unlike Yankee Stadium) isn't set up to enable quick verbal communication between Video review guy and Trainer in dugout.
And the Yankees, and every other team in baseball, engages in the same sign-stealing process.
And everyone in the business of baseball knows it and understands it.
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False. Spare us the "everyone does it" justification to make you feel OK about your team's ethical shortcomings. Until someone produces evidence to the contrary, I'll continue to assume that my team and most others have too much respect for the came and the spirit of competition to cross the same line.
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"The Ancient Yankees-Red Sox Rivalry Gets a High-Tech Boost"
In other words ---
"More controversy to fill the air time and column space for the sports media."
If it weren't for "controversy" -- people would have nothing better to do than go the stadium - watch the game - and have a good time...
In other words ---
"More controversy to fill the air time and column space for the sports media."
If it weren't for "controversy" -- people would have nothing better to do than go the stadium - watch the game - and have a good time...
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On national television Thursday night, the Patriots will unveil another Super Bowl banner. How many is that????
Was Belichick in the dugout?
So, if they are guilty, and they won the game, will they have to forfeit? Seems that is the only penalty any team will take seriously. Everything else is just money and most teams are awash in it.
The Commissioner of baseball made it clear in his press conference that there is no rule in baseball prohibiting making note of another team's signals. To call this ''stealing" in the headline of this article and the teaser to it online is unethical journalism. Too bad you let go of the public editor. This should receive a slap on the wrist of the writer
With Boston's history of this, make you wonder if Paul Revere were still around, he’d be galloping around Fenway's warning track yelling “The fastball is coming! The fastball is coming!”
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The Red Sox should have to give up their Apple watches when ... and if... MLB Inc. gives up their Apple iBeacons that they use to track fans' location, movement and financial activity inside the stadiums, and when MLB Inc. stops collecting electronic data on fans' browsing and purchasing habits. I mean, fair is fair. The digital information MLB collects on fans is far more valuable -- and little known-- than whatever was happening with the watch gadgets.
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Once MLB allowed electronics to run the game, the fans lost as well as Boston opponents. Just saying. I could also say that electronics are justified under the catch phrase "Get it right". But the "get it right" refers to the eventual sports betting as a revenue stream. What bettor would plonk down any money on a game that is haphazardly called by umps? Baseball has always had an escapist quality about it no matter how vile the fans can get and how much money and drugs the players use. But the use of electronics is a real game changer. It needs a reality check or baseball will be no better than a night at a casino.
Wait! What? Sports teams trying to get an edge on the competition?!
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Is there no line at all? Have we become so accepting of bullying, lying and vulgarity that the golden rule is now "the ends justify the means"? And I'm sure there's nothing partisan in your ethics. Same attitude if it was the New York team cheating, I'm sure.
Why no mention of the Yankees' part in this "grand tradition"? That was, George Steinbrenner paying Gene Michael to sit in the outfield with binoculars and a talkie-takie to radio signs back into the dugout! (Yes, the same Steinbrenner who was found guilty of a felony for illegal campaign contributions to Nixon.)
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Because it has no relevance to this story. News flash: George Steinbrenner is dead and was not in attendance, as far as I know, at those games in Boston.
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From the Black Sox to the steroid era, isn't baseball all about cheating? It's kinda why I don't watch it.
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Just wondered what is the implication of "sign stealing" on legal and illegal sports gambling by friends. distant relatives, and other interested parties of these two teams? Would not such insider info be very useful for calculating if one team could cover the elusive "run line"--and prove invaluable in nailing down that very difficult to calculate (as even Pete Rose knew) multi-game bet known as the parlay bet in baseball? Let's look at this gambling angle, please, NYT.
Despite the partisan, New York squeal of scandal, the surprising aspect of this is professional baseball's admission -- from management and teams alike -- that stealing signs tolerated, nay, part of a grand tradition. And even that cameras are tolerated, like the old school Yankees and many other teams have incorporated into their "game management" toolbox. Jim Bouton would have a laugh at our naiveté, and at the Yankee's arrogance to pretend they're any different.
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Honestly, who cares. Professional sports is no more than a pleasant fiction which does not bear close scrutiny. Players pretend their prowess is the result of lots of hard work, and we pretend to believe them. Steroids? Doping? Pain-killers? Cheating? Endless media hype?
Shhhhh. You'll wake the baby.
Shhhhh. You'll wake the baby.
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Must be something in the water in Boston. The Pats, now the Sox can't help but cheat.
MLB should do away with signs and have a mic/ear piece system or even use a smart watch between pitcher/catcher/coach.
MLB should do away with signs and have a mic/ear piece system or even use a smart watch between pitcher/catcher/coach.
I wonder who in the Patriot organization the Red Sox may have consulted with to engineer this spying episode. Frankly, baseball needs any distraction(s) within the game it can muster to try to keep people's interest.
With the NFL season beginning on Sunday, I'm not sure a baseball spy thriller will help generate more interest in baseball though.
A boring football game is far more exciting than an "exciting" baseball game.
With the NFL season beginning on Sunday, I'm not sure a baseball spy thriller will help generate more interest in baseball though.
A boring football game is far more exciting than an "exciting" baseball game.
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Steve Jobs would be proud.
If the batter is on tape, "checking to see what time it is between every pitch", case closed.
If the batter is on tape, "checking to see what time it is between every pitch", case closed.
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don't fret folks. baseball is close to a video game already.
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There will be no real penalty paid by the Red Sox, as no "crime" committed by any of baseball's so-called prestige teams -- Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cardinals -- is taken seriously. If it was discovered that Houston or the Brewers or one of the flyover teams was doing this and beating the important teams, there would be a true penalty: having a dozen games next year changed from home to road, or no draft picks for two years, something like that. No penalty other than serious money will truly change baseball's ways.
Sounds like high school shenanigans.
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The person happiest about this controversy is not a baseball fan.
His name is Tim Cook.
His name is Tim Cook.
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I have been trying to interest my godson in baseball. I told his parents it will build character. But I give up. I am not going to be party to teaching it is all right to cheat. Soccer, here we come.
Soccer? Are you kidding me? Where 110 degree, grass-free Qatar was awarded the hosting of the upcoming Soccer World Cup? No, there's no off-the-field machinations there, certainly.....
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Good idea, there's never been any cheating in soccer.
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In the leagues where I played baseball as a kid, we would attempt to steal signs from the opposition using perception and knowledge of the game and player(s) involved. Sometimes we were successful; sometimes not so much. Right or wrong, it was part of the game. Still it is sad to know that the pros would use technology over talent or guile to gain an advantage.
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Every fan of any sports team must decide how much "corruption" he can tolerate. Whether it's the use of drugs or this puerile garbage, it doesn't matter.
If winning matters more than how it's won, it's up to every fan to evaluate.
If it gets out of control.....
We might as well be watching professional wrestling, where the illusion doesn't pretend to be anything else. At least it's not making fools of the fans.
If winning matters more than how it's won, it's up to every fan to evaluate.
If it gets out of control.....
We might as well be watching professional wrestling, where the illusion doesn't pretend to be anything else. At least it's not making fools of the fans.
Hey! Go easy on professional wrestling, it's the really realist - reallyest thing out there… Just like senior Trumptet: it is instructive and shows good versus evil. That's why I binge on pro wrestling, 24 seven.
It's Boston, it's sports, it involves a ball and alleged cheating. There's only one thing to do. MLB must suspend Tom Brady for four games!
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Every time I see a comment or article that takes this kind of position regarding 'deflategate' I'm reminded of how institutions like MIT, the American Enterprise Institute, and Tom Brady, debased themselves by weighing in on such an inane controversy with bad information, inaccurate conclusions, or in Brady's case, outright lies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/sports/football/deflategate-new-engla...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/sports/football/deflategate-new-engla...
Tyler you show your young age. "Ancient ... Rivalry..."?
You flatter the Sox a second-tier club for the great majority of their existence. A true rival of the Yankees could be the Dodgers, but actually the Yankees have no historical peer.
You flatter the Sox a second-tier club for the great majority of their existence. A true rival of the Yankees could be the Dodgers, but actually the Yankees have no historical peer.
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??? the Sox have eight World Series; the Dodgers six.
The Yankees dominated the 20th Century. The Giants and Red Sox are the leaders in this century.
The Yankees dominated the 20th Century. The Giants and Red Sox are the leaders in this century.
You are absolutely right the Yanks have no peer ! The Sox (Red) have stunk (pun intended) for many many years. And in my book they still stink !
The Red Sox-Yankee's rivalry is a fairy tale wholly concocted by Boston Globe sports writers. If you say it often enough, they will believe it.
If the Red Sox are guilty of stealing signs, it certainly doesn't show in the team's offensive stats. This lineup can't hit.
On the plus side, it looks like someone finally found a use for an Apple watch.
On the plus side, it looks like someone finally found a use for an Apple watch.
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