Totally wrong for these lawyers to be doing that. That said, as a lawyer, it would be nice if people showed up for court not looking they'd just got out of bed or the local tavern. Just try and look presentable.
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Thank goodness someone is finally looking into the pre set attitudes of those who oft times finish at the lower half of their class and unfortunately wind up working at Legal Aid or Child Welfare since they didn't make the grade for private firms.
One can hear many hateful things being said behind office door at Family Court.
One can hear many hateful things being said behind office door at Family Court.
This is an unfair nonfactual assessment of this article and of the lawyers in question. While I do not agree with the conduct of the attorneys- I have many colleagues that have chosen to work with Legal Aid and the District Attorney's office because they have a passion for their work. Many of them have left "white-shoe" private law firms to do so and others have turned down offers from "private firms" to continue working with at risk children and or victims of crimes.
If we are going to comment on this article let's all stick to the facts
If we are going to comment on this article let's all stick to the facts
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UWSgrrl,
Such an offensive comment. I know excellent attorneys who represent children or who are assistant atty general who represent the state and work in the child welfare system. Unless you have done this work, you know nothing, absolutely nothing of how hard this work is and how dedicated most attorneys doing this work, are. You are no better than the attorneys covered in this article.
To comment to the article, the attorneys covered in this article does not reflect the vast majority of attorneys that work many hours at lower pay than many other attorneys will make. But they do this work because they are dedicated to children caught up in this system.
Such an offensive comment. I know excellent attorneys who represent children or who are assistant atty general who represent the state and work in the child welfare system. Unless you have done this work, you know nothing, absolutely nothing of how hard this work is and how dedicated most attorneys doing this work, are. You are no better than the attorneys covered in this article.
To comment to the article, the attorneys covered in this article does not reflect the vast majority of attorneys that work many hours at lower pay than many other attorneys will make. But they do this work because they are dedicated to children caught up in this system.
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We live at a time when people attend church in tank-tops, shorts, and flip-flops. They dress just as casually when they go to court. Such casual attire in formal settings is undignified and low class. It shows disrespect for the institutions and for other people. Even the lowest classes used to know better. It's not surprising that those who have a clue are appalled and amused by such carelessness and ignorance. They should keep it to themselves, though. Nowadays it's considered gauche to have any standards at all.
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Well, well. Female attorneys snarking about other females. Nothing new here either in court, on the street, subways, or in the workplace. In fact, after 35 years in supervisory positions of professional civil servants, the worst treatment of women I ever saw was perpetrated by other women. Frankly, this is endemic among female attorneys and those from a certain economic class. It is out front, palpable and obvious even to those denigrated. And believe me folks, they have long memories and vote accordingly.
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Naturally, this is not nearly as bad as ACS failing to prevent the deaths of children who should have been removed from abusive households. But it shows a certain idiocy on the parts of the lawyers who made the disparaging comments.
To me, it's not so much that the comments were that hurtful or offensive. People should know better than to wear really revealing outfits to court; even jeans are a major faux pas. But it is a problem that these lawyers didn't realize that when they post things under their own names, it reflects badly on their department, and calls their professionalism into question. I'd think firing them would be reasonable.
To me, it's not so much that the comments were that hurtful or offensive. People should know better than to wear really revealing outfits to court; even jeans are a major faux pas. But it is a problem that these lawyers didn't realize that when they post things under their own names, it reflects badly on their department, and calls their professionalism into question. I'd think firing them would be reasonable.
More than anything to me, this reveals an ever-growing, and increasingly entrenched, class problem in our culture. Poor, uneducated people are not socialized to interact and integrate with the rest of society; and the more educated and privileged have little understanding of, or empathy for, such marginalized populations. Sadly, ignorance and indifference seem the order of the day.
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How the recording of the the fashion sense of Court House denizens by members of the New York State Bar different from the coverage of First Lady's footwear by the New York Times?
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The coverage of the First Lady's footwear by the press related to hers and her husband's betrayal of a public trust. The Family Court litigant is not the person in the story reported who is charged with providing public service.
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Coupla ways.
What the lawyers did was illegal.
The woman in the photos is not a public figure.
Mrs. Trump had her picture taken with her knowledge and consent.
Facebook is not a newspaper.
Need more or are you all set there sparky?
What the lawyers did was illegal.
The woman in the photos is not a public figure.
Mrs. Trump had her picture taken with her knowledge and consent.
Facebook is not a newspaper.
Need more or are you all set there sparky?
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Um...the first lady is a public figure?
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It is typical for employees of any organization - e.g., a law firm representing weathy people, a city agency representing the children of very non-wealthy people - to develop ideas and attitudes about the people they deal with in the course of their work. The junior level lawyers at the firms representing the Trump family are surely having a few laughs about Trump and his nominally adult children, just as the junior level lawyers and other personnel at the Administration for Children's Services are laughing at the mother of an abused child who might show up in inappropriate attire at a Family Court hearing. What makes this private laughter unforgivably wrong is making it public, and what amazes me, who am over 60 (yes, that's the way you say it (maybe)), is that many people do not understand the need for privacy.
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The culture of any organization that comes in contact with the public is the responsibility of management, (see Wells Fargo). The city should be looking to foster respectful and helpful attitudes for all city departments.
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