trump is beginning to look like he is going to lose so much he will be tired of losing.
I would appreciate a fuller explication of the sanctions, old and new, that we're talking about. I understand about credit limits and asset freezing, and even snatching property, but let's not pretend everybody who hears the term "sanctions" has a complete understanding of the subject.
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As a small, insignificant human being, I am willing to hear again and again that Trump had relations with the Russians or Russia, that Russian money at one time fueled his immense fortune, but what does it means exactly? Certainly the Democrats do not really like Trump has being elected president, but, in my humble opinion, what is important is whether these supposed rapprochements between the Russians and Trump have had an effect on the outcome of the presidential American election And how. Even though the communications of Hillary Clinton's team were disrupted by computer attacks which somewhat embarrassed his organization, is it because of this that the voters voted for Trump? Or, perhaps, were there any frauds during the counting of votes? If it turns out that there has been neither fraud nor manipulation of voting intentions in one way or another, we will talk eternally, but without saying nothing sensed, about the ambivalent relations of the USA and the RUSSIA, friends or enemies, or both, but, personally, this story begins to tire me, me small and insignificant human.
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People --and countries-- that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Russia's involvement in last year's election is no more wrong than has been the U.S.' involvement in the internal affairs of many other countries. The U.S. is not and never has been the shining example of purity and innocence that we brazenly and mistakenly pride ourselves to be.
The U.S. should get out of the business of trying to punish other countries. It is at best sanctimonious, and beyond that, other countries may think about responding in kind to us. And perhaps we deserve it.
The U.S. should get out of the business of trying to punish other countries. It is at best sanctimonious, and beyond that, other countries may think about responding in kind to us. And perhaps we deserve it.
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Looks like the mass media hysteria has worked great, and we are about to gain some return sanctions from .. wait for it .. the EU. The hacking story has been reported by the press almost everyday, but the fact is that apart form the word 'hacking' the American people have been given not an iota of evidence of what the hacking actually involved. If its the email Podesta foolishly clicked and sent his password to - then this can be concocted by any schoolchild versed in computing. It doesn't require Putin. The fact is it seems the 'sanctions' or in reality a trade embargo, because sanctions can only be imposed by the UN, are aimed at ensuring the EU buys our gas rather than that coming by pipeline from Russia. Its a trade move, whose import has not been lost on our allies. But our 425 representatives and 100 senators who can do nothing good for the American people except politicize health-care, seem so desperate to show they are not just a waste of our taxpayer dollars - they have just passed something based on media hype that they have no idea what the consequences of it are.
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In the Trump Whitehouse, corruption empowers and loyalty is a U-Turn.
Oh please, Mr. Trump, *please* veto this Bill!
...'cuz I want to watch the backlash when you are swiftly overridden, signalling the end of your political capital...
...'cuz I want to watch the backlash when you are swiftly overridden, signalling the end of your political capital...
If war with Russia has now officially become the sane, responsible American position, I am an American for the insane, irresponsible course:
Peace.
Peace.
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Earlier today I read Bill Browder's testimony to the Senate committee.
I found it extremely informative in regards to the entire investigation.
One won't question why sanctions against Russia are vitally important after reading it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/bill-browders-testi...
I found it extremely informative in regards to the entire investigation.
One won't question why sanctions against Russia are vitally important after reading it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/bill-browders-testi...
Putin may yet be sorry that he backed and worked to get Trump elected. Just like many of the vendors and contractors who work for Trump, he will learn that there is no payoff when you make a deal with Trump. Jeff Sessions and Reince Preibis learned that as well.
There's a reason most people in NYC didn't vote for him and NY banks won't lend to him.
There's a reason most people in NYC didn't vote for him and NY banks won't lend to him.
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Where is the beef people? There has been no evidence supporting these allegations. Writers and publications have been labeled "fake news" for asking the same question. This is no different than "weapons of mass destruction." Our government is preparing for war with Russia and this campaign and the sanctions that go along with it are the start. Incredibly reckless in pursuit of expanding the empire. This country now surrounded by NATO hs nuclear weapons. Nutty!
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Veto the Sanctions Bill, Donald!
Forget about “optics” or whatever. During your campaign you suggested we would have better relations with a President Trump. Now is a great time to start delivering on that.
Let me ask—who is running this show: You, or the press? I, for one, did not elect “the press.” They were not on the ballot. I did not check a box for “New York Times.” As my mentor might say, “Wag the dog, the tail must not.” (Yes, my mentor is Yoda. So what?)
In all seriousness I advise you to (a) refuse to sign the sanctions bill against Russia passed by the congress, and (b) definitely invite Putin to the White House for a beer. Let the usual suspects rant and rave all they want. Let Maxine scream “impeachment” from the highest rooftop in Inglewood. Dude, you are the President! No one said it would be easy, right? You will be criticized harshly, but what else is new? You can take it, and further, it’s your job to take it.
As my mentor might say, “If heat you cannot take, kitchen out of must you get.”
Good luck.
Forget about “optics” or whatever. During your campaign you suggested we would have better relations with a President Trump. Now is a great time to start delivering on that.
Let me ask—who is running this show: You, or the press? I, for one, did not elect “the press.” They were not on the ballot. I did not check a box for “New York Times.” As my mentor might say, “Wag the dog, the tail must not.” (Yes, my mentor is Yoda. So what?)
In all seriousness I advise you to (a) refuse to sign the sanctions bill against Russia passed by the congress, and (b) definitely invite Putin to the White House for a beer. Let the usual suspects rant and rave all they want. Let Maxine scream “impeachment” from the highest rooftop in Inglewood. Dude, you are the President! No one said it would be easy, right? You will be criticized harshly, but what else is new? You can take it, and further, it’s your job to take it.
As my mentor might say, “If heat you cannot take, kitchen out of must you get.”
Good luck.
Russia is present and accounted for in every single comment section of every single major daily. They are very easy to spot. It remains to be seen as to whether they remain as effective in spreading disinformation as they were during the run up to the election.
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Why? It seems all comments are filtered anti-Russian. But if a few are passed which are not, they are automatically labeled as 'Russian' by people such as yourself. I guess it is easier than actually arguing with another point of view, especially if there is nothing to say. Different points of view are a hallmark of a free society, while quashing dissent or stigmatizing it as being 'from the other side' is a characteristic of dictatorships. Which would put us well on the way to being exactly what we are accusing the other side of.
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Interesting that you said this. I see what you mean now.
Congress defies Trump? More like Trump defies the Congress. Sometimes people forget that the authority to govern in this country is lent to the Congress and the President with the sovereignty being retained by the people. The Congress is acting for the people and if Trump vetoes the bill either explicitly or simply failing to sign it, it's the people's representatives in Congress and the people's representative in the Presidency who are at odds. Given the circumstances, more people are behind the Congress than behind the President so the President would be defying the Congress.
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President Trump has 10 days to sign or veto this bill; however, if congress takes its recess during this 10 day period he can also POCKET VETO this bill. There will be no override option at that point. I think we have been played!
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I read somewhere that Congress is not taking a recess to block Trump from firing Sessions and installing a recess appointment. Hope it's true!
Just as Jeff Sessions has found out that the backstabbing Trump has no friends, Trump will find that Putin will decide that he has no need for him. Here come the tapes. More chaos. The Congress knows a lot more than the rest of us do about Trump's hijinks with the Russians. I'm hoping this is a sign they have realized enough is enough.
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Plain and simple, if Trump chooses to veto the sanctions bill, he should be called out for siding with Vladimir Putin and against the American people. It should be said loudly and repeatedly, until his supporters get it.
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Trump has good reasons to veto this bill. And he can be certain that the majority of the US population will follow him if he chooses the right reasons.
The first issue is the European allies. They are angry about the bill and have threatened countersanctions. It is pure madness to start a trade war with the EU without even bothering to have a decent discussion on the subject.
The second issue is more formalist. There is a good reason that the president
- or more general: the government - makes foreign policy and not Congress: flexibility, speed and consistency are needed and those cannot be provided by Congress. In addition the proposal would give the Democrats veto power on Trump's Russia policy if they might win the next elections.
The first issue is the European allies. They are angry about the bill and have threatened countersanctions. It is pure madness to start a trade war with the EU without even bothering to have a decent discussion on the subject.
The second issue is more formalist. There is a good reason that the president
- or more general: the government - makes foreign policy and not Congress: flexibility, speed and consistency are needed and those cannot be provided by Congress. In addition the proposal would give the Democrats veto power on Trump's Russia policy if they might win the next elections.
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I sincerely doubt that "The majority of the US population" would agree with a veto of this bill. The president has sort of painted himself into a box on this issue.
How about telling us who the five are that voted against sanctions?
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The panic over Putin is just as misplaced now as it was a year ago.
Russia did not "hack" the 2016 election. Russians hacked the DNC computers and not any computers having to do with voting.
The attempt by Russia to interfere with the election was not "revealed" last fall. According to your paper it was revealed just over a year ago. See your article: "Spy Agency Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked D.N.C." dated July 27, 2016, on Page A1.
By this time last year, the media was already creating a panic over Putin's supposed ability to elect the next president. See "Did Putin Try to Steal an American Election?" Nicholas Kristof July 28, 2016. The Democrats were eager to exploit a Trump-Putin connection. See "The Putin-Trump Admiration Society" By The Editorial Board July 27, 2016. It was seen as advantageous to Clinton to have an evil communist supporting Trump.
What New York Times contributing OP-ED writer Ivan Krastev wrote on August 8, 2016 in response to Putin panic is as relevant today as it was a year ago: "What is disturbing with the 'blame Putin' stance endorsed by serious Western politicians, analysts and news media outlets is that it makes the Russian leader appear omnipotent while making the rest of us seem impotent. ... Putin panic also unintentionally validates the Kremlin’s claim that Russia is strong and run by a great leader, at a moment when the Russian government fails to provide economic prosperity and social justice at home."
Russia did not "hack" the 2016 election. Russians hacked the DNC computers and not any computers having to do with voting.
The attempt by Russia to interfere with the election was not "revealed" last fall. According to your paper it was revealed just over a year ago. See your article: "Spy Agency Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked D.N.C." dated July 27, 2016, on Page A1.
By this time last year, the media was already creating a panic over Putin's supposed ability to elect the next president. See "Did Putin Try to Steal an American Election?" Nicholas Kristof July 28, 2016. The Democrats were eager to exploit a Trump-Putin connection. See "The Putin-Trump Admiration Society" By The Editorial Board July 27, 2016. It was seen as advantageous to Clinton to have an evil communist supporting Trump.
What New York Times contributing OP-ED writer Ivan Krastev wrote on August 8, 2016 in response to Putin panic is as relevant today as it was a year ago: "What is disturbing with the 'blame Putin' stance endorsed by serious Western politicians, analysts and news media outlets is that it makes the Russian leader appear omnipotent while making the rest of us seem impotent. ... Putin panic also unintentionally validates the Kremlin’s claim that Russia is strong and run by a great leader, at a moment when the Russian government fails to provide economic prosperity and social justice at home."
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Friday - 145 pm - Did I just hear right, on MSNBC, that the other day, the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon -- READ THIS: For 9 minutes, they were unsure of whether the President was going to declare war on North Korea -- in a TWEET!???
Please make it clear whether anything like this happened. If so, stop the presses!! Danger!
Please make it clear whether anything like this happened. If so, stop the presses!! Danger!
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Seems it isn't just the CIA that has an obsessive fetish with the reputed Putin crimes against the DNC's certain march to the White House.
Hard to believe given the Bush-Cheney crimes against humanity that Putin is even on the editorial board's radar. Must be personal.
Hard to believe given the Bush-Cheney crimes against humanity that Putin is even on the editorial board's radar. Must be personal.
Putin and Republicans share one common goal: To destroy the government of the United States and bury the wee people in its rubble.
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Putin has the audacity to say that it is impossible to put up with the boorishness towards his country after he interfered with our election to make Trump president? The true boor and thug is calling the kettle black. It is about time that we send a clear message to him not to meddle with ant country's free elections.
If he really had belief in his people, he would allow them free and fair elections and let the opposition speak, let the media publish freely, and respect the results. He and Trump both are boors and bullies.
If he really had belief in his people, he would allow them free and fair elections and let the opposition speak, let the media publish freely, and respect the results. He and Trump both are boors and bullies.
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These sanctions are largely a concession to the Russia haters (Israeli often) and have little or no basis in logic or fact. Hillary and Podesta were involved in the Russian trade as well as the Trump contingent. The Republican and Trump aims seem more concerned with creating and dispensing fake news than doing anything constructive like getting busy with infrastructure employment. Congress had better watch its p's and q's or Trump will ad them to his fired and tried-to-fire lists. Trump is building himself into a smaller and smaller group of sycophantic "loyalists".
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It's interesting that Russia didn't retaliate when Obama booted their diplomats out last December. Their usual response is swift, much like what's happening now.
What did the Trump administration promise them last winter?
What did the Trump administration promise them last winter?
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Wow, Congress actually managed to enact a rational, bipartisan bill to impose more sanctions against Russia.
I say, next up, considering the thick, dark cloud of deviousness which surrounds the Trump family business empire, wouldn't it be "loverly" if Congress could impose credit sanctions against Trump family businesses?
I say, next up, considering the thick, dark cloud of deviousness which surrounds the Trump family business empire, wouldn't it be "loverly" if Congress could impose credit sanctions against Trump family businesses?
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When all is said and done, I think a few things become apparent about the Trumpelstiltskin administration. They are clearly naïve, clearly incompetent, clearly liars and most likely traitors. They must go after 2018 and then Pence should be hamstrung as POTUS for his alliance with these "EVIL DOERS".
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What about the almost 3,000 American companies operating in Russia? What happens next.
http://www.aalep.eu/american-companies-operating-russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/08/03/headline-halah-t/#4dfa...
http://www.aalep.eu/american-companies-operating-russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/08/03/headline-halah-t/#4dfa...
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So, big sigh of relief, deep breath and brace ourselves for the next white knuckler?
We've got a monkey with a razor blade running the White House with a supporting cast made up of a sinister conspiracy paranoid, a foul mouthed wanna be gumbah, a battered, beleaguered AG, a Chief of Staff who is circling the drain, and a shameful, self-serving Republican Senate willing to sell their collective, hollow souls to the devil.
Thankfully we only have 1,274 more days of this nightmare.
We've got a monkey with a razor blade running the White House with a supporting cast made up of a sinister conspiracy paranoid, a foul mouthed wanna be gumbah, a battered, beleaguered AG, a Chief of Staff who is circling the drain, and a shameful, self-serving Republican Senate willing to sell their collective, hollow souls to the devil.
Thankfully we only have 1,274 more days of this nightmare.
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By big majorities, "Congress believes that he cannot be trusted" in dealings with our Russian adversary. What a statement about President Trump.
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July 28, 2017
For the love of the nature of politics one should not become threatened is the give an takes that is ever present and perennial to Democracies. Basics for Mr. D. J. Trump to adapt to the Washington beltway as this is not rolling dice or heavy top lawyers that influence the outcomes in way that are in the banking with Manhattan status to rule the decisions that never really come to trial, jury, verdict. But this is the real media in the time of what one could call a 'fake president' but that is or rather rest in the court of public opinion that ever shaking in its rootless barren White House administrative - dare one say swamp? As well the court of Congress interesting has continued to keep to its oath of service and with transparent discourse to save our culture, and our esteem for the nation and on the world stage.
jja Manhattan, N.Y.
For the love of the nature of politics one should not become threatened is the give an takes that is ever present and perennial to Democracies. Basics for Mr. D. J. Trump to adapt to the Washington beltway as this is not rolling dice or heavy top lawyers that influence the outcomes in way that are in the banking with Manhattan status to rule the decisions that never really come to trial, jury, verdict. But this is the real media in the time of what one could call a 'fake president' but that is or rather rest in the court of public opinion that ever shaking in its rootless barren White House administrative - dare one say swamp? As well the court of Congress interesting has continued to keep to its oath of service and with transparent discourse to save our culture, and our esteem for the nation and on the world stage.
jja Manhattan, N.Y.
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The objection of Europeans is that the sanctions would have the effect they’re intended to.
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In the past, European allies would go along (reluctantly) with Washington-led economic sanctions against countries considered to be a threat.
This time, the new sanctions against Moscow could hurt essential EU's energy security. In addition, the US president is Donald Trump, an acid critic of NATO and the European integration process led by Germany.
The question is: will the Europeans go along with another round of US Congress-made sanctions that could jeopardize much needed Russia's natural gas supplies?
This time, the new sanctions against Moscow could hurt essential EU's energy security. In addition, the US president is Donald Trump, an acid critic of NATO and the European integration process led by Germany.
The question is: will the Europeans go along with another round of US Congress-made sanctions that could jeopardize much needed Russia's natural gas supplies?
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It is reported that the US has over 1,100 staff in embassy operations in Russia. Maybe Russia is doing us a favor by cutting that number down. Russia is a third rate economic power with an oversized military.
According to the Embassy website:
"The U.S. Embassy in Moscow is committed to expanding the trade and investment relationship between the United States and Russia."
Last I checked, Russia was under international sanction specifically targeting trade and investment and Congress voted like 530 to 5 to make sure Trump couldn't modify the sanctions. I think they need to update the website.
Bring home half the staff and use the savings to create a cybersecurity team that actually counters on-going cyber attacks by Russians and informs the American public of progress. They don't need to live in Russia.
According to the Embassy website:
"The U.S. Embassy in Moscow is committed to expanding the trade and investment relationship between the United States and Russia."
Last I checked, Russia was under international sanction specifically targeting trade and investment and Congress voted like 530 to 5 to make sure Trump couldn't modify the sanctions. I think they need to update the website.
Bring home half the staff and use the savings to create a cybersecurity team that actually counters on-going cyber attacks by Russians and informs the American public of progress. They don't need to live in Russia.
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...have you wondered how many of the 1,100 are spooks under diplomatic cover?
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Send the bill over ASAP now. We all know the president is waiting in the Oval Office "pen in hand".
aThe bill he wanted to sign didn't pass, but it shouldn't matter.
He just wants to do the ritual thing with cameras, smiling congressmen, etc.
aThe bill he wanted to sign didn't pass, but it shouldn't matter.
He just wants to do the ritual thing with cameras, smiling congressmen, etc.
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This is all a pillow fight. Sanctions will do nothing. Eventually someone needs to punch the other in the mouth and see how the other reacts. Give arms to Ukraine.
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Mr. Scaramucci "suggested that Mr. Trump could veto the bill, ostensibly as a prelude to pushing for 'tougher' legislation." Right.
The new sanctions are stronger than the old ones? Good. It looks like they are working.
Did Trump promise Mr. Putin something? Is Putin blackmailing him?
All available evidence says probably yes. If he vetoes the bill, we'll have our answer.
Scaramucci has already told how many lies on behalf of a likely traitor?
The new sanctions are stronger than the old ones? Good. It looks like they are working.
Did Trump promise Mr. Putin something? Is Putin blackmailing him?
All available evidence says probably yes. If he vetoes the bill, we'll have our answer.
Scaramucci has already told how many lies on behalf of a likely traitor?
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So, Putin is worried about Russia's economy?
Maybe Putin should give back the money he steals from his Mother Russia to help them out.
http://time.com/money/4641093/vladimir-putin-net-worth/
Maybe Putin should give back the money he steals from his Mother Russia to help them out.
http://time.com/money/4641093/vladimir-putin-net-worth/
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Now if only the congress would sanction the White House. No more junk food and sugary drinks getting in, no more microphones, no more cell phones, no more TV, NO MORE GOLF.
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What the Trumpistas seem not to understand is that Putin's goal is to undermine the US, not to support Trump or any other president. Once Putin dispatched with Hillary, he has set his sights on damaging Trump. That Trump and his minions are so blinkered is just icing on the cake for Putin.
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Trump, Unquestionably the worst president, ever.
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To the Russians, these sanctions are a joke signifying nothing.
Putin has demonstrated the dysfunction of the Federal government which is paralyzed by inane partisan in-fighting over inconsequential,if not "fake", issues with most Congressmen and women, primarily concerned with their own personal interests.
Putin has demonstrated the dysfunction of the Federal government which is paralyzed by inane partisan in-fighting over inconsequential,if not "fake", issues with most Congressmen and women, primarily concerned with their own personal interests.
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Seems silly to sanctimoniously declare sanctions on Russia when the DNC "hack" was just as likely to have been the DWS/DNC's own Pakistani IT crew selling DNC files - before fleeing the country.
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Congratulations to Donald Trump!
In an era of rising executive authority, he has figured out a way to reduce his Presidential power! All through his great skill as a "negotiator,"accomplished by once again demonstrating to the rest of us that he knows more about diplomatic and military matters than everyone, "including the generals."
Way to go, Don-O!
In an era of rising executive authority, he has figured out a way to reduce his Presidential power! All through his great skill as a "negotiator,"accomplished by once again demonstrating to the rest of us that he knows more about diplomatic and military matters than everyone, "including the generals."
Way to go, Don-O!
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Please, Congress, remove King Donald from the throne. He is decimating our country.
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But I thought Trump was emperor?
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Trump's efforts to warm relations with Russia and North Korea and to move away from our aggressive, sanctions-driven foreign policy model was a significant step in the right direction to reducing the nuclear threat level. Kim Jong Un has already responded to this new round of sanctions by firing another intercontinental ballistic missile. Congress has made a major mistake by passing this legislation. And you're cracking open the Champagne? This is madness.
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Appeasing an adversary is not a step in the right direction.
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The NYTs continues this nothing burger of a story. Punish the Russians vilify Putin and all that. The Russians did not steal the election through some sort of cyber attack. The NYTs has never shown any real evidence concerning the leaks of Clinton's or the DNCs emails. Just a lot of hysterical hot air. Special Council Mueller would do well to investigate Trump's financial connections with the Russians. Trump won the election because he got angry white people to vote for him in areas where the Democrats had done well in the past because Clinton was a lightening rod for their resentment.
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Vladimir Putin has already criticized the US Congress for the bi-partisan support for sanctions which take away President Trump's unilateral power to end them.
If Putin concludes that his extensive interference in the U.S. presidential election has backfired and made matters worse for Russia, he may release incriminating information about Trump to create even more domestic disruption.
If Putin concludes that his extensive interference in the U.S. presidential election has backfired and made matters worse for Russia, he may release incriminating information about Trump to create even more domestic disruption.
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This legislation is a good start in showing Putin the our Congress is not going to put up with the treasonesk behavior of Trump's WH.
But to really seal the deal, we need the GOP Congress, especially the senators, to publicly call out Trump on this unholy alliance.
Further, if we really want to payback Putin's Russia for interfering in the 2016 election, we need to REDO the 2016 election. This would send a strong message to Russia and any other foreign government that think they can sway US election results.
But to really seal the deal, we need the GOP Congress, especially the senators, to publicly call out Trump on this unholy alliance.
Further, if we really want to payback Putin's Russia for interfering in the 2016 election, we need to REDO the 2016 election. This would send a strong message to Russia and any other foreign government that think they can sway US election results.
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So the Republicans in Congress don't trust Trump to conduct foreign policy because they think he maybe a disaster. Why, then, do they go along with his domestic proposals?
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Nothing to trumpet about this. The pinnacle of idiocy. Trump bad, let's nuke Russia. That'll show him.
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I ask you to excuse me in advance, English is not my own.
Explain to me the Russian Vanka, as sanctions against European companies will change Russia's position with regard to Ukraine. If the money is already flat. Europeans are already in the fraction, and sanctions are practically against them. The gas of the USA, the Poland has already "vparila", the word is not suitable for English in the lexicon. He wants to "vparit" now and Germany, Austria and France, with Holland. And Europeans probably fools? $$$
Explain to me the Russian Vanka, as sanctions against European companies will change Russia's position with regard to Ukraine. If the money is already flat. Europeans are already in the fraction, and sanctions are practically against them. The gas of the USA, the Poland has already "vparila", the word is not suitable for English in the lexicon. He wants to "vparit" now and Germany, Austria and France, with Holland. And Europeans probably fools? $$$
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From Putin's perspective, has the 'Idiot' now outlived his 'Usefulness'?
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I think that the GOP started out thinking that the buffoon was going to be their own little useful idiot. I think actually he's going to be marginalized into oblivion while the real grown-ups run the proverbial show.
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Congress has revived the cold war which is not in the interest of the USA. This could trigger tit for tat. Congress has not defied Trump it has spiked America.
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Putin revived the Cold War first going in to Ossetia in 2008 and then Crimea in 2014 (?). This is a fair response to these moves and Russia's obvious involvement in so many elections here and in Europe.
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I believe, Jonathan, you may wish to do a search on the circumstances leading up to Georgia/Russia in 2008 and the overthrow of the democratically elected leader in Ukraine prior to Crimea in 2014.
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FAILING….Our President Trump is…FAILING….sad!
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Well, to my shock and surprise, I am so sick of winning that I wish the Congress would just close up shop and go home. I am so entertained by the White House soap opera "As the Worm Turns," I have had enough of the sideshow. G'bye, GOP, Hello insanity!
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To change the subject a bit if I may.
Recently Trump announced that someday his image will also be sculpted onto the face of Mount Rushmore where facial images of our greatest presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln appear.
This national monument is a tribute to our greatest presidents who persevered and guided our nation through deeply challenging periods in our nation's history...In this context, me thinks that Trump has, once again, allowed his huge and sensitive ego to get the better of him.
Perhaps his image will, in fact, someday be sculpted onto the face of a mountain, but it won't be his face and it won't be on Mount Rushmore...More than likely it would have to be sculpted onto a new, as yet unnamed mountain. I would like to suggest the name if I could -- Mount Anus -- perhaps located out west in the middle of some barren desert region.
There, in the barren lands, a sculpture of our 45th president would be ideal. The sculpture must accurately capture the essence, character, tone, and tenor of Trump's thoughts and deeds while in office. My suggestion would be a sculpture of a huge "derriere" -- one that would vividly and effectively remind us, and our descendants, of all of what we've come to think of Donald J. Trump, our 45th president.
Recently Trump announced that someday his image will also be sculpted onto the face of Mount Rushmore where facial images of our greatest presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln appear.
This national monument is a tribute to our greatest presidents who persevered and guided our nation through deeply challenging periods in our nation's history...In this context, me thinks that Trump has, once again, allowed his huge and sensitive ego to get the better of him.
Perhaps his image will, in fact, someday be sculpted onto the face of a mountain, but it won't be his face and it won't be on Mount Rushmore...More than likely it would have to be sculpted onto a new, as yet unnamed mountain. I would like to suggest the name if I could -- Mount Anus -- perhaps located out west in the middle of some barren desert region.
There, in the barren lands, a sculpture of our 45th president would be ideal. The sculpture must accurately capture the essence, character, tone, and tenor of Trump's thoughts and deeds while in office. My suggestion would be a sculpture of a huge "derriere" -- one that would vividly and effectively remind us, and our descendants, of all of what we've come to think of Donald J. Trump, our 45th president.
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How interesting to finally see the US Congress do something with integrity for a change. It is entirely appropriate to start restricting the power of the Presidency, especially in a time of having a dishonest and incompetent goon sitting in the White House.
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"The Constitution grants the president 10 days to review a measure passed by the Congress. If the president has not signed the bill after 10 days, it becomes law without his signature. However, if Congress adjourns during the 10-day period, the bill does not become law."
So is this Congress adjourning for August recess before Trump signs or vetoes?
So is this Congress adjourning for August recess before Trump signs or vetoes?
Is aiding and comforting an enemy by vetoeing the sanctions bill an impeachable offense?
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No. Signing a bill into law or vetoing it is part of his constitutional duties. Can't impeach him for doing his job. Why he signs it or vetoes it doesn't matter.
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The motivation for republicans to act in this way has Benedict Donald shaking in his Balenciagas. Republicans ,as required by their history, cannot look the other way when it comes to Russia. This is very, very bad news for Benedict.... Sad.
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I would rewrite the headline to take the focus off of Trump: Congress Protects Americans from Hostile Invasion
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The have been counted.....as patriots.....and they are looking Trump squarely
in the face....are you with us Trump or against us...that means are you
with the people of the United States of America or are you standing for
Russia instead...
This is the gauntlet thrown squarely at Trump's feet.....and I will add at
Mike Pence's feet.....and at the entire Trump cabinet....are you all with us
or against us.....the ball is in the court of Donald J. Trump.
in the face....are you with us Trump or against us...that means are you
with the people of the United States of America or are you standing for
Russia instead...
This is the gauntlet thrown squarely at Trump's feet.....and I will add at
Mike Pence's feet.....and at the entire Trump cabinet....are you all with us
or against us.....the ball is in the court of Donald J. Trump.
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a time will come that the editorial board will have to apologize to the readers(as was the case with the Iraq lies) for this article because it has turned out that there has been no proof what so ever of "Russian meddling in your so called "democratric process".
And that american pressure on foreign leaders you are talking about,isn't that illegal meddling in others'countries affairs?
hybris and arrogance!
And that american pressure on foreign leaders you are talking about,isn't that illegal meddling in others'countries affairs?
hybris and arrogance!
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The question that is yet to be answered in public is whether the Russians colluded with Trump or with Trump's campaign's stuff, NOT whether the Russians meddled in our election.
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kienhuis, actually there is no comparison between the two situations. You and the Trumpkins try to make that comparison but it is completely invalid because with the WMDs in Iraq issue, it was a matter of drawing inferences from the fact that inspectors were kicked out of Iraq after they had disarmed considerably. The idea among intelligence officials was that Saddam must still have some weapons of mass destruction that were so sensitive he wanted the West not to know about them. By contrast, the intelligence agencies have actual positive information showing Russia took active measures against it mostly by using bloggers to spread lies in western publications. There is a huge difference between drawing a faulty inference and seeing actual evidence which, of course. is classified.
Tweety is limited in ways he doesn't understand. He's ineffective and crazy. Time for him to return to his true business career of stiffing the little people.
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Mr. Trump, the jig is up.
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Was it Seth Meyers or Stephen Colbert who called this "stupid Watergate"? The transparency is startling. It's almost like no one is denying Trump and his cohorts are guilty -- starting with Trump. The Chucklehead in Chief goes out of way -- sits down with the NYT no less -- to broadcast that the incriminating evidence is his financials, so Mueller had better not go there. Which is why, of course, this is exactly where Mueller is going. And now Congress acknowledges that Trump is in Putin's pocket by passing -- with virtual unanimity -- sanctions legislation with an unprecedented no-waiver proviso. I mean think about that. Nearly 100% of Congress -- in an era when the two sides can't agree on the time of day -- agrees that the president of the United States, when dealing with a hostile foreign power, cannot be trusted to represent the interests of his own country. We are deep, deep into Wonderland.
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It is John Oliver who features "Stupid Watergate" on Last Week Tonight, Sundays at 11:00 on HBO.
So, now Putin steps up to give Trump a rationale for vetoing the sanctions bill. He seized US properties and ordered a reduction in the embassy staff. Expect a Twitter storm from Trump demanding Russia be dropped from the sanctions bill. Let's see if Congress maintains its backbone.
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Trump's vacillation in signing this bill is clear evidence of treason. Can you imagine the calls for impeachment--no, hanging in the Rose Garden, if President Obama did something remotely similar? I agree completely with this editorial, but I am amazed by how low this man has devalued and debased the presidency. Oh, I know, reasonable people believe such a finding requires extensive investigation and conclusive findings. It is distressing how his self-dealing, monarchical ignorance continues to be tolerated when it is so clear he is a Russian puppet.
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Proper respect for the Office of The President of the United States requires removal of the current occupant.
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Putin just retaliated by seizing U.S. property in Russia maybe if Trump signs the sanctions he'll get mad enough to fire his recent hire, his subordinate Trump?
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Trump just can't stop winning, can he?
It is the most delicious irony that he will now either have to sign the Russian sanctions bill now, thereby losing now, or veto the bill, only to have it become law without his signature, thereby losing a few days later. Either way he loses, big time.
I look forward to other bipartisan bills that clip away at Trump's wings until he's flightless.
It is the most delicious irony that he will now either have to sign the Russian sanctions bill now, thereby losing now, or veto the bill, only to have it become law without his signature, thereby losing a few days later. Either way he loses, big time.
I look forward to other bipartisan bills that clip away at Trump's wings until he's flightless.
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My fear is that he will remove sanctions after vetoing the bill in a preemptive move. That should be a clear sign that he is in the pocket of the Russkies, but the conservative media will tell us otherwise.
The buildup to war with Russia and/or Iran by our Congress and the media? Is this action for the benefit of the American people? Where are the sensible people on this issue?
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"Build up to war with Russia and/or Iran"? Hell, they have more troops on leave than we have in total. Any war with either (and North Korea for that matter) is going to require a draft. Period. Good luck with that.
It is indeed the end of Trump's presidency. No Scaramouche can spin the following as anything but three crushing failures in the same day:
1. Sanctions on Russia that will reveal his impotence whether he signs then r vetoes them.
2. Repeal and Replace effectively dead and wallowing in well-deserved ridicule and disgust (for him and for Republicans).
3. The president and his (new but probably still-born) communications director as the ultimate leakers in the White House, broadcasting savagely to the whole world their ignorance and insane vulgarity.
If Donald Trump has still the nerve not to resign this week-end, it may be time to send psychiatric care givers to save him from himself.
1. Sanctions on Russia that will reveal his impotence whether he signs then r vetoes them.
2. Repeal and Replace effectively dead and wallowing in well-deserved ridicule and disgust (for him and for Republicans).
3. The president and his (new but probably still-born) communications director as the ultimate leakers in the White House, broadcasting savagely to the whole world their ignorance and insane vulgarity.
If Donald Trump has still the nerve not to resign this week-end, it may be time to send psychiatric care givers to save him from himself.
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Veto-proof majority.
I'm thinking Putin is eventually going to regret his meddling.
I'm thinking Putin is eventually going to regret his meddling.
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Trump most likely was receiving his performance review from his boss Vladimir Putin during their extended meetings in Hamburg. He was certainly also receiving his instructions on how to respond to issues such as Congressional sanctions and upcoming Russian incursions into the Baltics and Middle East. In all likelihood, Putin probably conferred a "Needs Improvement" rating on Trump's performance review.
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With the passage of this bill we see that Congress really does have a spine. If only they would show it more often. The next 2 steps are to override a possible (likely?) veto and working together to devise a healthcare law that works for all Americans.
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Congratulations to members of the Congress. You have done your duty to the people and to the country.
This is actually a sanction on Donald Trump. The man who has his own view of the presidency and of the world. Someone who thinks he is larger than the presidency.
It was time the Congress placed the STOP sign. Although it was long overdue, it is never too late. Mr. Trump must understand, members of Congress, belonging to the same political party do not owe their allegiance to the POTUS. They do not have to be 'YES' people.
How Mr. Trump will react to this sanctions legislation is to be seen, and it is left to him to figure out. He better act wisely.
This is actually a sanction on Donald Trump. The man who has his own view of the presidency and of the world. Someone who thinks he is larger than the presidency.
It was time the Congress placed the STOP sign. Although it was long overdue, it is never too late. Mr. Trump must understand, members of Congress, belonging to the same political party do not owe their allegiance to the POTUS. They do not have to be 'YES' people.
How Mr. Trump will react to this sanctions legislation is to be seen, and it is left to him to figure out. He better act wisely.
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Congress may have reignited the Cold War.
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Oh. So the Europeans are worried about sanctions against Russia? Well tell Germany what it would do if Putin and Co. meddled it its elections. The U.S. should always try to accommodate our allies whenever we can, but this cyberwarfare in one of our most sacred actions -- our vote -- isn't negotiable. So Congress doesn't trust Mr. Trump? Welcome to the club.
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Well, there goes easy Russian financing for Trump Corp. Congressional distrust of T was fairly earned and foretells a broadening trend.
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The fact that a unanimous Congress would dare to step in to prevent Trump from further consummating his bromance with Putin was unthinkable prior to the Senate vote on the Russia sanctions bill. Following the House's unanimous approval of the bill, and its inclusion of the rogue states of Iran and North Korea in its sanctions package, the Trump-Putin infatuation received its first official view of how democracy in America really works.
By firing this warning shot across the bow of the SS Trumpanic and reasserting its authority as a co-equal branch of government, Congress has given Trump a preview of the opposition he will face until the work of the Special Counsel is concluded and his report is delivered. The next shot, if Senator Graham is to be believed, will take the form of bipartisan legislation and would require "judicial review" if a special counsel is fired while investigating the president or his staff. Senator Graham noted that Trump's efforts to fire the Special Counsel “could be the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency."
The Republican Congress' defiance of Trump in this matter marks, perhaps, the tipping point by which the fissures exposing Trump's dwindling support in that body are revealed. If so, the delivery of the Special Counsel's findings will make the writing of impeachment articles against Trump and indictment of his associates that much more likely to happen.
By firing this warning shot across the bow of the SS Trumpanic and reasserting its authority as a co-equal branch of government, Congress has given Trump a preview of the opposition he will face until the work of the Special Counsel is concluded and his report is delivered. The next shot, if Senator Graham is to be believed, will take the form of bipartisan legislation and would require "judicial review" if a special counsel is fired while investigating the president or his staff. Senator Graham noted that Trump's efforts to fire the Special Counsel “could be the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency."
The Republican Congress' defiance of Trump in this matter marks, perhaps, the tipping point by which the fissures exposing Trump's dwindling support in that body are revealed. If so, the delivery of the Special Counsel's findings will make the writing of impeachment articles against Trump and indictment of his associates that much more likely to happen.
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Not to worry, editorial board. Donald Trump's in Putin's pocket and Putin knows it. They'll find a way around this. I hope that Robert Mueller has 24/7 security.
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While the editorial board is no doubt giddy about any event that blocks Trump's agenda, I have to ask why no one see the hipocrisy of punishing any country for interfering in elections or spying when the US routinely does this itself throughout the world. What could exemplify this point more than Obama's interference in the Israeli election and the hacking of Angela Merkel's cell phone? What amazes me it that no alliances have been formed by other countries to impose powerful sanctions on us. I am without question, the furthest thing from a Putin supporter, but If that were to occur, would we feel any differently than Putin does now?
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I may suggest that Putin/Russia does not have the power that the U.S. has. We control the banking system, military might, the E.U., UK, etc. What may be happening though is pushing Russia and China together.
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Nobody in this country is "giddy." Only a lunatic would be "giddy" about the takeover of our country by a hostile power.
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Hey Big Text - Thanks for making my point about the editorial board.
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The socialistic democrats with their Russian collusion theory will get us into WW3. Obama did nothing when he learned about the meddling; let's start there. There is totally no evidence of any Russian collusion. If they had colluded, the Russians would have let HRC win with the electoral vote (she did not). HRC was for fracking (as Russia is); they did not want President Trump to win because he does not align with Russia. Plain and simple.
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Who knew that fracking was the key to the universe?
This could be the ultimate showdown for the Trump administration. I'm trying to think of the last time that a President of the US went against these kinds of odds and actually won in the end. Could any of you Historians help me out here? Oh, and please don't let Sarah or the Mooch answer this!
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"Congress believes that he cannot be trusted, and that Russia must be held accountable, even as America should try to work with Mr. Putin on Syria and other matters."
Good. The door to impeachment has not merely been left open, but it's mere opening gob-smacked that phoney golden hairdo only a clown would wear.
Next?
Drum roll please.
Good. The door to impeachment has not merely been left open, but it's mere opening gob-smacked that phoney golden hairdo only a clown would wear.
Next?
Drum roll please.
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When the Mooch said that if it HAD been Russia behind the hacking, no one would ever know it,
I wondered if Putin sends his talking points to Trump in Russian or already translated.
I wondered if Putin sends his talking points to Trump in Russian or already translated.
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Already translated.
It is a very sad day in America when you read in the paper that "Congress believes that he (the POTUS) cannot be trusted".
Think about that fact. The POTUS is not trustworthy and his own Congress is acting to curb his actions. All Presidents face limits on their power and are understood to have motives that may murky from time to time but this is different?
The level of distrust of this particular president is unique. As is often applied to Trump's Presidency the word 'unprecedented' springs forth. Could that be attributed to his being a compulsive Liar? Or is it because he has no interest whatsoever in becoming a president. He is obstinate in his refusal to work - read briefs, study the Constitution, learn how legislation gets passed etc.
It is enough for him to BE Trump and use the powers he has to his benefit in any way he so chooses.
It is the character of Trump that makes him untrustworthy.
Think about that fact. The POTUS is not trustworthy and his own Congress is acting to curb his actions. All Presidents face limits on their power and are understood to have motives that may murky from time to time but this is different?
The level of distrust of this particular president is unique. As is often applied to Trump's Presidency the word 'unprecedented' springs forth. Could that be attributed to his being a compulsive Liar? Or is it because he has no interest whatsoever in becoming a president. He is obstinate in his refusal to work - read briefs, study the Constitution, learn how legislation gets passed etc.
It is enough for him to BE Trump and use the powers he has to his benefit in any way he so chooses.
It is the character of Trump that makes him untrustworthy.
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It's all of the above.
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"Congress believes that he [The President of the United States] cannot be trusted..." This observation alone signals the dire situation our country is in. We may find Trump's presidency stimulating and entertaining, we may even agree with his politics, but the man himself is a threat to our democracy. We should work together to oppose his secret dealings with Vladimir Putin. Neither of them can be trusted...
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What Congress did to Trump's appeasement of Russia it should follow suit and do to all of Trump's proposals. Trump is, only six months in, the worse president in this nation's history. Yes, the worse, ever. And that historical landmark will hold for some time to come. The only good thing about the Trump experience is that this generation now has its worse than Watergate moment. Trump's presidency will hopefully cleanse the waters and create an atmosphere where the people, having had their fill of electing someone with absolutely no experience, and what's worse, no ability to learn anything, will not make this horrible mistake ever again, at least not in our lifetimes.
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Manhattan
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Congress is defying Putin and Russia. Trump is merely Putin's asset aka puppet/dummy bent on shredding our Constitution paid for by whatever is hidden in Trump's personal and family income tax returns and business records.
Trump took a solemn sworn executive branch Article II oath to faithfully perform his duties as President in order to 'preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States'.
And there are serious significant questions about the wisdom and legality of this Congressional questions in that oath context.
Is the Article I Congress unconstitutionally interfering in the legitimate duties of the President by this legislation? That is a judicial review Article III open question. Can Congress do this? Should the President acquiesce? What is the purpose of this legislation regarding Russia, Iran and North Korea that advances the interests and promotes the values of America? Where do the Secretary of State, Defense and Homeland Security stand on these sanctions?
Trump took a solemn sworn executive branch Article II oath to faithfully perform his duties as President in order to 'preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States'.
And there are serious significant questions about the wisdom and legality of this Congressional questions in that oath context.
Is the Article I Congress unconstitutionally interfering in the legitimate duties of the President by this legislation? That is a judicial review Article III open question. Can Congress do this? Should the President acquiesce? What is the purpose of this legislation regarding Russia, Iran and North Korea that advances the interests and promotes the values of America? Where do the Secretary of State, Defense and Homeland Security stand on these sanctions?
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Congress not only defied Russia, but equally important it defied Trump & demonstrates their alienation from Trumps Presidency.With the Midterm Elections coming up & no significant progress from the White House, it’s time for self preservation, & the rats are leaving the sinking ship.The latest defeat for their Health Care Bill,is still a defeat even though only three Republicans voted against it.It demonstrates internal conflict within their party, that is really greater than the Health Care Vote.Trumps rants against Sessions will prove to be his undoing.
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Trump must veto the sanctions if he expects the Russians to help him again in 2020.
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Now that Congress seems to be in agreement that Russia meddled in the US election, maybe we can dig into who was coordinating with Russian intelligence. In particular, I'd like to see an investigation into where Fusion GPS got the money to fund the creation of the "dossier" on Trump. Most of the allegations in that dossier came from anonymous Russian intelligence operatives. The ultimate source of funding for that operation has been concealed by funneling it though various parties, but there are credible allegations that the Democratic Party or its major donors provided the money.
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One aspect of multi- faceted Trump's debacle is now handled by a Congress which hitherto has acted as partisan politicians and not statesmen.
The next is to pass a law to make release of income tax returns for all presidential candidates mandatory and not volitional.
The last is throw the anachronistic electoral college into the dust bin of history where it deserves to be.
Progress is impossible if we continue to do things the same way we've always done them.
The next is to pass a law to make release of income tax returns for all presidential candidates mandatory and not volitional.
The last is throw the anachronistic electoral college into the dust bin of history where it deserves to be.
Progress is impossible if we continue to do things the same way we've always done them.
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Watch the EU defy the US on those new sanctions. The German foreign minister Gabriel announced that he will not go along with this. They rightfully will not allow the US to intefere with their own energy business, because this is all about helping the US fracking industry opening European markets. European firms have worked with Russia for many years on building a gas pipeline and they are not going to abandon that! Thus, instead of separating the EU from Russia this heavy handed attempt by our government to support domestic fracking will actaully achieve the opposite and cause a further rift between Europe and the US.
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I agree that Russia needs to be punished for election meddling, Crimea snatching, and dictator propping. However, having watched some German news last night, I'm quite concerned that this is likely to spark a trade war with Europe. These sanctions inflict damage on the EU economy, and that is why Obama was careful to make them multi-lateral, working with our allies in Europe. To make maters worse, the House bill specifically says that one of the goals of these sanctions is to increase and encourage American energy exports to create American jobs. This doesn't come off very well in Germany, which, second to Russia, will suffer the brunt of the economic damage from these sanctions.
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"Punished" ? You say? You have not seen any evidence supporting Russian govt meddling in the recent US election that even comes close to the US meddlings in foreign elctions, including B Clinton's outright campaigning for Boris Yeltsin who was a lackey of Oligarchs. Russia is not some subordinate, and they have held their fire through the silly US sanctions to date. Expect the retaliatory Kremlim gloves to come off if Trump signs this bill. If you haven't read Cohen, Mearsheimer and Chomsky on these matters, and have spent your time watching CNN, MSNBC, and the musings of the NYT, you are well versed in so called "fake news".
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Oh boy, now we're talking about Bill Clinton and Yeltsin.
Only Donald J. Trump and his Tony Soprano-like presidency could so unify this incredibly divided Congress. And Trump has no choice but to sign this as the veto override would be a given and the override would further diminish his amazingly disorganized administration.
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Congress gave Trump a good cover by including Iran and North Korea in the bill. If Trump wants to wash his hands of going against Russia, he can point to all of his bluster about North Korea and Iran and say he is putting his money where his mouth was.
And then, privately, he and Putin can resume talking about, er, "adoption" and the other, um, policies they spoke about behind closed doors.
And then, privately, he and Putin can resume talking about, er, "adoption" and the other, um, policies they spoke about behind closed doors.
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This bill is nothing more than an attempt to make it appear that congress will stand up to Trump. Along with the attacks on LGBT in the military, Scaramucci attacks on Pribus and Bannon, more drama with Sessions, McCain and Lindsey Graham begging not to be thrown into the briar patch, Ryan's "assurances" that everything will be alright - all of the above was choreographed by the White House and the GOP congress to divert attention away from the skullduggery being played by McConnell. When you intend to deprive 15 million Americans of health care, no amount of smoke and mirrors will be spared.
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A commenter writes:
"Of course the Russians don't like it, so yes they will retaliate."
Looks like our allies may join the Russians in retaliating. According to the article;
"The Europeans have their own complaints, one of which is that the sanctions could threaten a pipeline to transport Russian gas into Germany. .... the allies ... are threatening counter-sanctions [against the US]."
Our European allies are threatening counter-sanctions against the US? I hadn't heard this before. I wonder what the European sanctions against the US might be.
"Of course the Russians don't like it, so yes they will retaliate."
Looks like our allies may join the Russians in retaliating. According to the article;
"The Europeans have their own complaints, one of which is that the sanctions could threaten a pipeline to transport Russian gas into Germany. .... the allies ... are threatening counter-sanctions [against the US]."
Our European allies are threatening counter-sanctions against the US? I hadn't heard this before. I wonder what the European sanctions against the US might be.
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What part of futility does Trump not understand?
Does he really think he can veto the Russian sanctions bill and that will be the end of it? That the Senate that voted 98-2 and the House that voted 419-3 will sit back and accept it? "Oh, okay, we'll back off now that we know you disagree"?
Does he really think that vetoing the sanctions bill will encourage congress not to react when he fires one of their own in order to engineer the firing of Mueller? And does he really think getting rid of Mueller will put the Russia investigation to bed once and for all? That a congress that voted so overwhelmingly to tie his hands on Russian sanctions will sit back and yawn?
Methinks our president has a flat learning curve. And an inability to read the writing on the wall. Perhaps the message was too subtle.
Does he really think he can veto the Russian sanctions bill and that will be the end of it? That the Senate that voted 98-2 and the House that voted 419-3 will sit back and accept it? "Oh, okay, we'll back off now that we know you disagree"?
Does he really think that vetoing the sanctions bill will encourage congress not to react when he fires one of their own in order to engineer the firing of Mueller? And does he really think getting rid of Mueller will put the Russia investigation to bed once and for all? That a congress that voted so overwhelmingly to tie his hands on Russian sanctions will sit back and yawn?
Methinks our president has a flat learning curve. And an inability to read the writing on the wall. Perhaps the message was too subtle.
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"Typically, Congress gives presidents flexibility to temporarily suspend sanctions as a negotiating tool. But Congress believes that he cannot be trusted, ". I find that statement to be electrifying; when was the last time Congress couldn't trust the president to act in the best interests of the country on a matter of national security ?
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May 2017 - the President disclosed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador.
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A do-over election is the last thing likely to happen to clean up this mess.
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This editorial couldn't be more wrong. The sanctions imposed by Congress are directed primarily against the Russian people and the Russian economy. Yes, minor sanctions have been added against the FSB and GRU, but it's the people who will suffer most. It's as if you and I were punished for CIA torture.
These sanctions are a sledge hammer aimed against the wrong target. They are misdirected and overly harsh, When an intelligence service engages in misconduct you respond by attacking the intelligence service. Attacking the people is wrong. Just imagine if Muslim fundamentalists attacked American schools in retaliation for CIA torture. Sanctions should be directed against those who deserve to be punished. That's not what we're doing here and that is a big mistake without justification.
These sanctions are a sledge hammer aimed against the wrong target. They are misdirected and overly harsh, When an intelligence service engages in misconduct you respond by attacking the intelligence service. Attacking the people is wrong. Just imagine if Muslim fundamentalists attacked American schools in retaliation for CIA torture. Sanctions should be directed against those who deserve to be punished. That's not what we're doing here and that is a big mistake without justification.
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Russian meddling in the election contributed to Trump's victory and now the American people are suffering for it. The new Russia sanctions are tit-for -tat I would say.
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Perhaps, in their suffering, the Russian people will come to understand that it is Putin and his ilk who are ultimately repsonsible for their suffering and act accordingly.
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The Russians see impositions of this round of sanctions as 'official' designation of Russia as the archenemy of the United States. Of course, they are right, as we are not going to accept anything less than a complete capitulation from Russia this time, unlike 25 years ago when the Soviet Union disintegrated. No one knows when this moment of our triumph will have arrived. Until then, though, we will be living in the state of "cold war 2", i.e., under ever present threat of nuclear annihilation by Russia and local proxy wars to boot. In all probability, Syria and Ukraine are the prime candidates for to get the real taste of Russian displeasure. It will be somewhat ironic, given that the sanctions ostensibly are introduced to punish Russia for its past "bad" behaviour.
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To which I respond: If Russia's going to behave like the archenemy of the United States, we should treat Russia like an archenemy.
Russia brought this all upon themselves.
Russia brought this all upon themselves.
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At last there is a glimmer of hope that the Senate including the Republican majority are standing up to the BOGUS (Bag of Gas of US). Perhaps with the defeat of the assault on Obamacare the saner Republicans are realizing that BOGUS is a Rebublican liability and that the Dems might retake the House and Senate in 2018 elections. The man is an embarrassment to everything theUSA stands for!
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The fact that Trump is considering vetoing sanctions is crazy. He simply cannot recognize that he is his own worst enemy. He is in the middle of an investigation into his association with Russia and their influence in US policy, but he would veto sanctions against them? Why doesn't he just Tweet:"Russia installed me in the WH to stop sanctions against them, so I will"?
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The president will not veto the Senate’s sanctions against Russia any more than he would fire Robert Mueller as special counsel. He might be dumb but he’s not stupid. With the Senate’s 98-2 vote, maybe even he can see the handwriting on the wall. If he goes soft on Russia, Congress and most Americans will be very hard on him. Maybe even his base will wonder whose side he’s on.
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What makes you (or anyone else) think that Trump isn't stupid as well as dumb?
This is an effective way for Congress,overwhelmingly, to exert control over the do-nothing president. Now, they can issue a reversal on his insane actions on transgender people in the military. All these actions together with the Travel Ban prove his unfitness for office. With the president on his heels Congress has to issue proclamations on his treatment of Sessions. Start showing some spine.
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Trump believes there was no collusion, and no hacking aimed at getting him elected. He will likely veto these sanctions, believing they are unjustified. Allowing them to stand would mean accepting that Russia helped get him elected, which he is unable to do just like he can't accept losing the popular vote, or the crowd size at the inauguration. It's not so much that he is a liar as that he can't accept the truth.
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I have said it before here, Trump is a lame duck and it is entirely of his own making. Nothing of consequence will happen and fortunately for the Country his opportunity to effect his agenda via legislation is over.
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This legislation is a step in the right direction. But still, it is so sad that we have a So-Called who cannot be trusted to look after the country's best interests. By the time we succeed in flushing this trumpcancer out, the executive. branch of our government will be much weaker.
When will our congress legislate sanctions against So-Called?
When will our congress legislate sanctions against So-Called?
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Russia interferes with our elections and then punishes us because we object to the Russian invasion of our sovereignty. Meanwhile Puppet Trump is the weakest President v. Russia in the history of the United States. The planet is walking all over Trump because, not unexpectedly, he is completely clueless on all issues foreign and domestic. Trump is an entertaining president, you have to give him credit for that, but that's as far as the credit goes. Remember when the Trumpets including Trump were bloviating about Obama's perceived (by them) weakness? Where is there outrage at Trump's weakness which is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain?
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More evidence that the Trump campaign was making promises to Putin during the campaign. Pres. Obama put sanctions on Russia over the hacking and meddling, and threw Russian diplomats out of the country. Russia didn't react, an apparent very unusual response. But as soon as Congress defied Trump and put new sanctions on Russia for its interference into our election, and right away, Russia retaliated.
Why would they retaliate, and so quickly, in response to Congress's action, but ignore Obama's? The reason: Because the Trump campaign was in fact promising them they'd undo Obama's sanctions. That's why.
the macro question continues to be, why is the US president so utterly unconcerned with a foreign country's illegal hacking of US emails, especially considering his still insisting Hillary Clinton should be charged, tried prosecuted, and presumably hung in the public square over a legal personal email server "because it COULD have been hacked by a foreign adversary!"; and the micro question is, what does Russia have on Trump that he would promise to lift Obama's sanctions?
Something really stinks.
Why would they retaliate, and so quickly, in response to Congress's action, but ignore Obama's? The reason: Because the Trump campaign was in fact promising them they'd undo Obama's sanctions. That's why.
the macro question continues to be, why is the US president so utterly unconcerned with a foreign country's illegal hacking of US emails, especially considering his still insisting Hillary Clinton should be charged, tried prosecuted, and presumably hung in the public square over a legal personal email server "because it COULD have been hacked by a foreign adversary!"; and the micro question is, what does Russia have on Trump that he would promise to lift Obama's sanctions?
Something really stinks.
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The fact that the Europeans would threaten counter sanctions for sanctions on the Nord Stream pipeline (which would bypass Ukraine and put the Ukraine into more jeopardy with respect to Russia) is appalling. Some allies.
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Anthony Scaramucci is likely to curse out the members of Congress who voted for the Russia sanctions.
Never mind, his company is being to sold to a Chinese group, not Russian.
It is Trump whose businesses "see a lot iof money pouring in from Russia" and who got trademarks approved by China. It is hard to keep track off which of these two countries are giving us the business with help from the Trump administration.
Never mind, his company is being to sold to a Chinese group, not Russian.
It is Trump whose businesses "see a lot iof money pouring in from Russia" and who got trademarks approved by China. It is hard to keep track off which of these two countries are giving us the business with help from the Trump administration.
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Editorial mistake.
The title should read, "Congress Defies European Allies on Russia".
It's unbelievable, really. Democrats and Establishment Republicans accuse Trump of alienating our friends around the world, but take actions that cause our European allies to actually threaten us with counter sanctions.
We've gone down the rabbit hole.
The title should read, "Congress Defies European Allies on Russia".
It's unbelievable, really. Democrats and Establishment Republicans accuse Trump of alienating our friends around the world, but take actions that cause our European allies to actually threaten us with counter sanctions.
We've gone down the rabbit hole.
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I agree with this. This is a measured response. While Trump's slavishness to his crime syndicate friends in Russia who where so vital to his financial success must be opposed- neither should the Congress overreact to Trump's capitulation. I think this bill strikes the right balance.
The danger of war with Russia stems from inconsistent and weak US policy- precisely what Trump brings to the table. Miscalculation, not firm policy will hearld demise.
As for Trump wanting stronger sanctions GIVE ME A BREAK!
The danger of war with Russia stems from inconsistent and weak US policy- precisely what Trump brings to the table. Miscalculation, not firm policy will hearld demise.
As for Trump wanting stronger sanctions GIVE ME A BREAK!
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Congress didn’t defy Trump, they defied our European allies. Now our European allies are threatening counter-sanctions…against the U.S.
Congress, driven by Democrats and Establishment Republicans in particular, are doing exactly what they accuse Trump of doing - alienating our allies.
The irony and hypocrisy are rich.
Congress, driven by Democrats and Establishment Republicans in particular, are doing exactly what they accuse Trump of doing - alienating our allies.
The irony and hypocrisy are rich.
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It is ironic that sanctions may end up hurting us more than Russia.
It is comforting and promising to see that Congress acts with conscience and dignity. Observe that it takes initiatives with a view to safeguarding our country's security and safeguarding. Although six months have been discussed, under the intense and unhealthy pressure of President Trump Feverish determinations against all civic and human order, today our congressmen are, on the subject of sanctions against Russia, willing not to give in to the tricks of Trump, which with the story of making sanctions tougher, pretends to play with time . We know that the most probable is that the nefarious and pro-Russian ruler, vete the application of the sanctions in question. Congress has already foreseen, for the first time under the current administration, not allow outrages. It is motivating and inspiring to realize that The presence of Senator McCain has given new energy to our, until very recently, servile Congress led by a pusillanimous man who, like an old boxer without legs and no glue and in Full of fear, uses everything in a bag of experience not to be knocked down to the end, losing by points (subject pusillanimous that should not bear that charge in the acidic times we live by the biggest mistake of the GOP put To a despicable subject like Trump.
"Mr. Trump has already delayed congressional action for months with a fierce lobbying effort..."
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If only he could have lobbied so fiercely for the American people on health care. I guess we know where his allegiances lie.
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If only he could have lobbied so fiercely for the American people on health care. I guess we know where his allegiances lie.
The Senate approved it by a 98-to-2 vote, following a similar, resounding 419-to-3 vote in the House.
So congress is happy to do the right thing as long as it isn't the Kochs whose ox is being gored.
So congress is happy to do the right thing as long as it isn't the Kochs whose ox is being gored.
A first indication the two houses of Congress realize there is a child at the wheel and an adult needs to take control.
And we're now to believe the GOP have rediscovered their spine? It takes my breath away that 49 Republican Senators can somehow justify Draconian legislation to deprive tens of millions of people of affordable health care. And today, this miscreant of a President now threatens those same people with a barely concealed warning, via twitter, that he will allow their health care to collapse with 'Watch'.
I'll believe the GOP have rediscovered their humanity when they rein in this travesty of a Chief Executive and start to act like they represent all Americans regardless of political persuasion. Personally, I'd like to see this man literally and figuratively restrained in chains.
I'll believe the GOP have rediscovered their humanity when they rein in this travesty of a Chief Executive and start to act like they represent all Americans regardless of political persuasion. Personally, I'd like to see this man literally and figuratively restrained in chains.
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Perhaps the tide is turning. Our Institutions are holding. The military is pushing back, the Congress is pushing back.
Failure, thy name is Trump. And the United States is starting the process of giving you and your deplorable minions the boot. We want our country back. Now.
Failure, thy name is Trump. And the United States is starting the process of giving you and your deplorable minions the boot. We want our country back. Now.
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A blunt instrument. Designed by a committee. But what are you going to do when you don't have a trustworthy president?
I think that the US foreign policy supported by both democrats and republicans is a desaster. The wars against Iraq and Libya unleashed the unprecedented flood of refugees to Europe and the sanctions against Russia will put an economic squeeze on this country that may entail unforeseeable problems worldwide. Very unwise leadership of the US.
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What a pity for the President, after all his hard work on adoptions. Last night four Senators asked for assurances that the skinny healthcare repeal would go through what they called "regular order" but with this, or any, legislation those assurances would have to come from the head of their party and I don't see how anybody, looking for assurances, with Trump in charge, could ever feel assured about anything. Even now, I can't believe I'm reading headlines like "Congress Defies Trump on Russia", when they should read "Trump Defies Putin on Russian Sanctions".
So when will Congress at least censure President Trump for a long laundry list of poor behavior and judgement?
The GOP led Congress has applied no checks and balances to the Trump Executive branch so far yet they should.
The GOP led Congress has applied no checks and balances to the Trump Executive branch so far yet they should.
It would seem a much better plan if trump can't be trusted to be a patriotic American to impeach and remove him. If he can be compromised by Russia china could be next. Or maybe North Korea. So only option is to impeach and remove trump 419-3 and 98-2.
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Seems the Russians have retaliated. Tit for tat. GOOD! Russian is stealing much more from us than we could ever get from Them. Good riddance putinists. Is there anything of value we could want from Russian intellectual property. Not much. However there are vast riches for them to steal here. I say go further with embassy reductions. Putin,s gift to America was trump. That should be enough to cut off all diplomatic relations. The damage inflicted will be felt for a generation. If not longer.
It is not on topic---the threat to America has apparently grown so large that the Republicans have joined in protecting the home that is America rather than stealing from the middle-class folks that live here. This is becoming a very long, painful nightmare.
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Republicans do the right thing, joining Democrats to punish Russia for its interference in our elections.
Republicans do the wrong thing, dragging their tails behind them slow going the investigations of Trump, family, campaign aids' collusion with Russia, and enabling a dangerous, mentally and emotionally damaged man to occupy the White House.
America's allies do the right thing, showing solidarity with NATO, not publicly shunning or shaming Trump, but encouraging and prodding him to re-think his withdrawal from the Paris accord.
America's allies do the wrong thing, threatening sanctions if we impose sanctions to punish Russia. Do they only support us when they need OUR support? Can we not figure out ways to redress inadvertent harm to our allies? Either we stand together or we are all on our own.
Republicans would do well to consider whether they stand for the American people or their campaign donors. That should help guide them to do the right thing going forward. LOL!
Republicans do the wrong thing, dragging their tails behind them slow going the investigations of Trump, family, campaign aids' collusion with Russia, and enabling a dangerous, mentally and emotionally damaged man to occupy the White House.
America's allies do the right thing, showing solidarity with NATO, not publicly shunning or shaming Trump, but encouraging and prodding him to re-think his withdrawal from the Paris accord.
America's allies do the wrong thing, threatening sanctions if we impose sanctions to punish Russia. Do they only support us when they need OUR support? Can we not figure out ways to redress inadvertent harm to our allies? Either we stand together or we are all on our own.
Republicans would do well to consider whether they stand for the American people or their campaign donors. That should help guide them to do the right thing going forward. LOL!
Now that the ACA is on the back burner, it's time for congress to take care of the health of our democracy. Rid us of the biggest scourge to our nation.
I'm so proud of our Congress! What action! What focus! What decisiveness! As usual putting a patch over a nail hole while the entire house is a blaze and looters are carrying off the last of the furniture. Maybe next week they can organize a Congressional lunch.
How hypocritical the Americans can be ? Democrats and Republican alike.
Sanctions against Russia meanwhile European companies involved in Nordstream pipeline are targeted, so the yanks can sell us overpriced liquefied gas.
Never mind, as far as the news are reporting over here, the EU commission plans to retaliate, its gonna be 2002 all. You're gonna feel it.
Secondly, it funny, the Americans are outraged because a foreign government meddled into their election? Which country was changing at will democratically elected representatives all over the world ? Well, just a taste of your own medicine.
Sanctions against Russia meanwhile European companies involved in Nordstream pipeline are targeted, so the yanks can sell us overpriced liquefied gas.
Never mind, as far as the news are reporting over here, the EU commission plans to retaliate, its gonna be 2002 all. You're gonna feel it.
Secondly, it funny, the Americans are outraged because a foreign government meddled into their election? Which country was changing at will democratically elected representatives all over the world ? Well, just a taste of your own medicine.
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Thanks Congress, I am glad you finally defied DT on Russia.
However, with his approval rating hovering around 36%, it was not that much of a daring move.
If his approval ratings were very good, I have doubts whether they would defy DT.
Thank goodness the majority of the country are not in a psychotic break from reality and see this Putin puppet's threat to this country's democracy.
Having said that, I am shocked that 36% of the country still support this pathological liar. Oh well, as Einstein said, the big difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
However, with his approval rating hovering around 36%, it was not that much of a daring move.
If his approval ratings were very good, I have doubts whether they would defy DT.
Thank goodness the majority of the country are not in a psychotic break from reality and see this Putin puppet's threat to this country's democracy.
Having said that, I am shocked that 36% of the country still support this pathological liar. Oh well, as Einstein said, the big difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
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SANCTIONS AGAINST TRUMP Trumptee Dumptee tries to rule the world with 140 character tweets. Sometimes he has to extend his blitherings to a second tweet. Trump uses the tweets because that's the HIGHEST LEVEL OF WRITTEN EXPRESSION that he can manage! It's not that he's a tweet-a-holic; it's that his language, memory and executive functions are so severely impaired due to dementia that he is incapable of anything longer than a tweet. The "Leader" of the US is mentally defective. Trump is medically incapable of fulfilling his official duties. The 25th Amendment MUST be invoked immediately!
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I guess they have a veto proof majority. So let's see, if the Dumpster is "all hat, not cattle". Or "his bark is worse than his bite". Maybe he "fades and doesn't trade". Personally I hope he vetoes the bill then tries to spin the "he wants it tougher". We will then be given specter of Little Boy Blew, the Mouch, going out to sell it. Great comedy, could be really fun. Russia, they don't need us so it matters little to them.
As noted in this Editorial, the Congress also defied our European allies with this sanction law. This sort of slap in the face to our European allies by the Congress is the sort of action that normally would elicit a strong rebuke from NYT editorial page. However we now live in the age of Trump derangement syndrome; the heck with Europe can’t let a dig at Trump pass.
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I am vehemently against anything Trump, but unilateral sanctions are not a wise thing to do. Instead of reaching out to our allies to work with them on sanctions, as is usually done, Congress further shows our allies that it is "USA, USA, USA," with and without Trump. Several of our European allies have already reached out to Washington because they are very unhappy about the US deciding something, yet again, that will have a huge impact on their economies without even consulting them.
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What is Trump's affinity for Putin Russia?
A basic tenet of psychology is: all behavior has a reason. I have to ask Is Trump having financial difficulties? Is he seeking Russian money, which is seeking a home here in the USA?
A basic tenet of psychology is: all behavior has a reason. I have to ask Is Trump having financial difficulties? Is he seeking Russian money, which is seeking a home here in the USA?
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Thank God, the Congress let Trump fire all the anti-Russian people in the embassy--especially, I hope, those spending full-time interfering in the Russian election by financing the opposition. Maybe Putin can help by declaring the leading embassy people in that effort persona non grata.
The sanctions were always going to be lifted as there was progress in resolving the East Ukrainian mess created by Obama's overthrow of the democratically elected President because he was going to win re-election and not go into EU. When Trump makes progress on that, and that is next on the agenda after the major progress in the Mideast, will Congress really vote against the lifting on the sanctions gradually?
Even the Crimea issue is easy to solve. Have an internationally-supervised plebiscite in which those in Crimea vote whether they want to return to Ukraine on the same day on which there is another internationally-supervised election on which those in the illegally seized California vote whether they want to join Mexico again. The results should be about the same, and both sides should accept the results.
The sanctions were always going to be lifted as there was progress in resolving the East Ukrainian mess created by Obama's overthrow of the democratically elected President because he was going to win re-election and not go into EU. When Trump makes progress on that, and that is next on the agenda after the major progress in the Mideast, will Congress really vote against the lifting on the sanctions gradually?
Even the Crimea issue is easy to solve. Have an internationally-supervised plebiscite in which those in Crimea vote whether they want to return to Ukraine on the same day on which there is another internationally-supervised election on which those in the illegally seized California vote whether they want to join Mexico again. The results should be about the same, and both sides should accept the results.
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This bill is insanity pure and simple. As s New Yorker I can say that I know bull when I hear it. McCarthyism sort of bull.
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There was a time in our history when Congress wasn't thought to be merely an appendage of an imperial presidency, when most of our sovereignty as a nation was vested in this bicameral institution, and we considered that fact to be reasonable and natural. If HRC had been elected instead of Trump, it's likely that the imperial presidency would have tottered on, despite the likely inability to get desired Democratic toys funded. Instead, we have a Congress that is battling mightily to heal after eight years of dysfunction, where moderate Republicans seek to slay excessive conservatives and Democrats are FINALLY re-engaging with interesting new ideas to minister to the needs of America's middle classes instead of wholly to the needs of our disinherited -- and as a consequence threaten to become relevant again to our governance.
Despite the theme of Trump-defiance that inspires this editorial, we should note that all the good that is happening -- even if it's not generally acknowledged by the MSM -- is due to the fact of the Trump presidency, his persona and his odd ambivalence toward Russia.
Like many Americans, I salute Congress for its new Russian sanctions, not merely because they were necessary to punish Russia's outrageous behavior but because they signal the ability to work together productively for the first time in a VERY long time. Trump, seeing veto-proof near-unanimity in both houses should pause and carefully consider how foolish a Pyrrhic veto would be.
Despite the theme of Trump-defiance that inspires this editorial, we should note that all the good that is happening -- even if it's not generally acknowledged by the MSM -- is due to the fact of the Trump presidency, his persona and his odd ambivalence toward Russia.
Like many Americans, I salute Congress for its new Russian sanctions, not merely because they were necessary to punish Russia's outrageous behavior but because they signal the ability to work together productively for the first time in a VERY long time. Trump, seeing veto-proof near-unanimity in both houses should pause and carefully consider how foolish a Pyrrhic veto would be.
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You speak of Russia’s outrageous behavior without specifying it. Do your mean the allaged hacking of the Emails of the NDC? That Russia was behind it is a claim of the American Intelligence Agencies. But I have not seen the hard evidence of it. This should be mandatory before such important political decisions are made. Or do you mean Russia’s interference in Ukraine? I read John Mearsheimers article „ Why the Ukraine’ crisis is the West’s fault“ and he claims that the West played a very dubious role in that region of the world. Besides that I think that the trade agreement between the European Union and the Ukraine was a severe mistake and clear provocation to Russia insofar as it cut off the trade relationship between the Ukraine and Russia. And now the new US sanctions against Russia. To punish Russia’s alleged interference in other countries? Their interference pales in comparison with the US interventions in Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria or Jemen. All of them being against international law because it is illegal to arm and support oppositionsgroups in other souvereign nations. Perhaps hard to swallow but Syria’s request for Russian military assistance was absolutely conform with international law.
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For those of us watching from outside your country, this near unanimous veto proof resolution is great news and not covered nearly enough by MSM who continues to be much more fascinated by the outrageous.
Hope someday to see bold headlines in the top left corner of the front page of this paper proclaiming the New Democrat party's new plan for America along with fresh and inspiring leadership. Enough with the senior citizens and their crusty fealty to the masters of Wall Street. It's time for the next generation to take the reins and boldly go where angels fear to tread. Would be nice for that to happen without the complete destruction of governance first, but in the long run it doesn't matter. Building a new house on the ashes of the old is a nice start.
Hope someday to see bold headlines in the top left corner of the front page of this paper proclaiming the New Democrat party's new plan for America along with fresh and inspiring leadership. Enough with the senior citizens and their crusty fealty to the masters of Wall Street. It's time for the next generation to take the reins and boldly go where angels fear to tread. Would be nice for that to happen without the complete destruction of governance first, but in the long run it doesn't matter. Building a new house on the ashes of the old is a nice start.
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C.O.:
I seem destined, when not attracting the ire of the left, to attract instead the ire of the right. Clearly, I mean Russia's efforts to interfere in the outcome of our election, which include the Wikileaking of the DNC's emails, which they hacked and filched; and I expect to the extent that it doesn't compromise sources and methods, that we'll have all the hard evidence of those actions that we need. That doesn't appear to be at issue -- although proof that the Trump campaign cahooted with the Russians in this act is laughably lacking.
All the other stuff? My country is no angel and never has been -- even including efforts to affect the elections of other countries, which I've admitted in this forum repeatedly. But this is MY country, it was attacked by Russia, and something needs to be done about that.
I seem destined, when not attracting the ire of the left, to attract instead the ire of the right. Clearly, I mean Russia's efforts to interfere in the outcome of our election, which include the Wikileaking of the DNC's emails, which they hacked and filched; and I expect to the extent that it doesn't compromise sources and methods, that we'll have all the hard evidence of those actions that we need. That doesn't appear to be at issue -- although proof that the Trump campaign cahooted with the Russians in this act is laughably lacking.
All the other stuff? My country is no angel and never has been -- even including efforts to affect the elections of other countries, which I've admitted in this forum repeatedly. But this is MY country, it was attacked by Russia, and something needs to be done about that.
This attempt to establish some kind of control on Trump reminds me of the warning military leaders got during the Nixon meltdown--which was, I recall, that if the Pres. issued extreme orders (nukes, attack, etc.), to ignore them until confirmed up and down the (sane) military chain of command.
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I want Senator Bernie Sanders to explain why he voted against these sanctions. What's up Bernie? Time to do some 'splainin'.
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Senator Sanders explained to a reporter that he voted against the bill because he fears that the sitting president may take us into war with Iran.
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Thank you. I missed that but I still don't get his reasoning.
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Bernie honeymooned in Russia. Who knew it was a lover's destination?
There is no doubt that Mitch McConnell, the Majority Leader and the Republicans in control of Congress have been milking President Trump, the incapacitated. As far as I know, there hasn't been any concerns on whether the President colluded with Russia. Their first priority has been to retain the 3 branches of government; keep President Trump in office to appoint Republican Federal judges. What strikes me the most is that they’ll go home on break without knowing if President Trump signed the sanctions against Russia, North Korea and Iran.
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Lord Gawd Amighty, WHAT A GOTCHA, McCain! The Good Lord is gonna HIGH FIVE YOU and THEN Some!
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Now if they would only move this quickly to clear up whether or not there was collusion between Trump, et al, and the Russians. This could really help the country to move forward. And hopefully this is done soon, before Trump somehow interferes with the investigation and throws it in to disarray, as is his wont.
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Trump has made it clear in the past that little things like sanctions and embargos and rules of law have no place in his world. Remember in the late nineties when his NJ casinos were failing he tried working with certain tribes to get something going in Florida. He sent a development group under the guise of a Catholic charity to Cuba to scout out the casino possibility down there, and even paid their $60,000 invoice from the Trump foundation. All of this revealed by Kurt Eichenwald's reporting in Newsweek Sept 2016.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he didn't have reps in Moscow right now negotiating hotel deals.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he didn't have reps in Moscow right now negotiating hotel deals.
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So far so good. Now let's hope that Congress has the gumption to override his veto.
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Let us hope that Congress not only overrides the veto, but overrides this excuse for a president and we get the impeachment we need! Trumpy is guilty on so many fronts, I've lost count. Take all your brash New Yorkers, go back to your tower, and let the country heal itself under some sane leadership, please!
Readers who have followed this story know that we have been told by the FBI and the CIA not only that the Russians hacked the DNC, but they did so specifically under Putin's orders and with the intent to disrupt our elections. That might be a fine prosecutors summation, but where is the evidence to support it?
According to an article from experienced former intelligence officers that has been published here https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-e... the transfer speed for data taken was much faster than could have occurred over the internet. They pointed out that no hacker can change the laws of physics, therefore the data was in all likelihood not hacked, but put on a thumb drive and given to Wikileaks.
Their conclusions are based on an examination of the data that has been released. A more detailed forensics examination might reveal even more about what really happened.
So why do we not hear about this in the NYTimes or cable news? This critique is from serious people, most former military, all with expertise and none prone to wild conspiracy theories that might taint their considerable reputations.
Some argue that the CIA would not mislead congress or the public. But they did with their WMD assessment that proved to be totally false.
As these sanctions push the nation closer to a potential conflict the American people have a right to accurate information and a full debate. So far our press guardians have provided us with neither.
According to an article from experienced former intelligence officers that has been published here https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-e... the transfer speed for data taken was much faster than could have occurred over the internet. They pointed out that no hacker can change the laws of physics, therefore the data was in all likelihood not hacked, but put on a thumb drive and given to Wikileaks.
Their conclusions are based on an examination of the data that has been released. A more detailed forensics examination might reveal even more about what really happened.
So why do we not hear about this in the NYTimes or cable news? This critique is from serious people, most former military, all with expertise and none prone to wild conspiracy theories that might taint their considerable reputations.
Some argue that the CIA would not mislead congress or the public. But they did with their WMD assessment that proved to be totally false.
As these sanctions push the nation closer to a potential conflict the American people have a right to accurate information and a full debate. So far our press guardians have provided us with neither.
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Nice try .... and so reasonable sounding.
There is every reason to be hopeful with this recent move by Congress to move forward with sanctions against Russia, while limiting the powers of a president who is still in denial about its complicity in the recent presidential elections.
At this point, it's only the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Constitution that is saving this country from an uncertain fate at the hands of an administration more interested in saving itself than the nation.
In my many comments I've made no attempt to hide my utmost distrust of Vladimir Putin's intentions.
Anyone who has ever lived in, or near the Soviet Sektor will tell you; the Cold War never ended. Russia is not a friend.
Most Americans have no idea how grateful they should be to their Congress for sparing them a sure slide down the slippery slope their president has set them on.
Of course, there are those who refuse to see this; but if Trump choses to veto this bill, there will be no doubt about which side he is on.
For the sake, and the future of the this country, I hope he doesn't.
At this point, it's only the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Constitution that is saving this country from an uncertain fate at the hands of an administration more interested in saving itself than the nation.
In my many comments I've made no attempt to hide my utmost distrust of Vladimir Putin's intentions.
Anyone who has ever lived in, or near the Soviet Sektor will tell you; the Cold War never ended. Russia is not a friend.
Most Americans have no idea how grateful they should be to their Congress for sparing them a sure slide down the slippery slope their president has set them on.
Of course, there are those who refuse to see this; but if Trump choses to veto this bill, there will be no doubt about which side he is on.
For the sake, and the future of the this country, I hope he doesn't.
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Trump, our fearless faux leader, appears to have been put down hard by Congress with the passing of strong sanctions against Russia. After the Tweet storm subsides, what options will he have? How soon will Congress awaken to the necessity of removing Trump from office despite Pence standing in the wings.
Trump's supporters apparently have yet to realize what a break they have gotten with the defeat of Trump health care, and they may never realize it but hopefully it will be the start of an awakening.
Trump's supporters apparently have yet to realize what a break they have gotten with the defeat of Trump health care, and they may never realize it but hopefully it will be the start of an awakening.
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The "supporters" may never wake up to the fact that they have been and continue to be tools of the administration and its Caligula- like leader. They can break democracy because the GOP leadership and its craven crime family know that no one else believes their lies or would elect them. So, they have more power through their unwitting ignorance or mendacity(whichever is their reason to support the dark Don and his white walkers) than they themselves realize. Power to do evil can be caused by ignorance as well as malice.
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Sanctions often lead to unintended consequences. The Russians have been remarkably restrained in their response so far, although recent steps ordering downsizing of American diplomatic presence in Russia might be a prelude to a stiffer, more symmetrical response. Thus far, Putin has been biding his time basing hopes for a more productive relations on a personal engagement with Trump. The Europeans are also unhappy with the sanctions, and it remains unclear what their response will be. The rank hypocrisy of this paper about other countries crossing lines, particularly in regard to election interference is staggering in the face of the realty that the US is the leading culprit in not only meddling but in violently overthrowing the governments of other countries.
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The Russians boldly interfered with our election. So, your response is simply to take it? Sorry, but such a non-response is unacceptable, and it would only encourage even more invasive efforts in the future. There are some lines that must be protected.
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Putin knows better than to do anything while his enemies are destroying themselves.
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Anything to say about US being a serial offender of "Interfering" with other people's elections?
Maybe one set of meddling leads to another.
“Meddling in our elections” is a phrase used by many as justification for possible actions against the Russians and/or President Trump.
However, if we go back to February 2014 and the ousting of the Ukrainian President, the pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych, we find that a year later President Obama stated that the US “brokered a deal” in support of the “regime change” in the Ukraine.
Now, I know that Obama was a much tougher US President than is Donald Trump but his actions clearly led Russia to be very dissatisfied with the US and have been the likely cause of their reaction in the Ukraine and elsewhere.
What goes around does indeed come around.
“Meddling in our elections” is a phrase used by many as justification for possible actions against the Russians and/or President Trump.
However, if we go back to February 2014 and the ousting of the Ukrainian President, the pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych, we find that a year later President Obama stated that the US “brokered a deal” in support of the “regime change” in the Ukraine.
Now, I know that Obama was a much tougher US President than is Donald Trump but his actions clearly led Russia to be very dissatisfied with the US and have been the likely cause of their reaction in the Ukraine and elsewhere.
What goes around does indeed come around.
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Yes, the Russians would have been much happier if they had been left to annex The Ukraine in peace. They are so irked by this that they hardly ever seem ready to just casually insert themselves into the Baltic states.
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Point taken, but so what?... Trump, Obama, doesn't matter, we can't kowtow to a foreign nation that interferes with our election process, end of story. We have to stand up for our principles no matter the outcome.
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I would like to know how the editors and the readers feel about American meddling in other nations' elections.
Would another nation be justified in imposing sanctions on America or even attacking America for such meddling?
Would an Iraqi or a Libyan be justified in flying a plane into one of our skyscrapers because we removed their leaders?
I am being serious not sarcastic when I raise these questions and really would like to know what people think.
Would another nation be justified in imposing sanctions on America or even attacking America for such meddling?
Would an Iraqi or a Libyan be justified in flying a plane into one of our skyscrapers because we removed their leaders?
I am being serious not sarcastic when I raise these questions and really would like to know what people think.
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You raise good points. Most of what has happened to America in the 21st century is due to our foreign policy in the 20th.
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Every war or lesser military action the US has undertaken since WWII has been about meddling in other nations' affairs. What is it that gives the US the moral authority to not just cajole but force other nations to do what our politicians and military leaders want? I want this to stop, to stop now, to stop until we are INVITED to intervene, not by the right wing kooks the CIA and military love, but by the moderates who actually run mosy nations until the kooks take over. Otherwise, unless we're actually attacked, we should butt the hell out.
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Yes they can impose sanctions. No they would not have the right to fly planes into our skyscrapers. No one has that right, including ALL of the countries that attack civilian targets.
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If Trump refuses to sign the bill it will be a clear indication that he is afraid of the dossier which was talked about prior to the election. Both Trump and Obama were made aware of this and it is most likely embarrassing or possible incriminating to Trump.
Also there is so much subterfuge and noise to the extent that we have never seen before, who is running the country while all of this is going on?
Also there is so much subterfuge and noise to the extent that we have never seen before, who is running the country while all of this is going on?
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"Sanctions are often controversial. But they are a nonviolent tool — and in this case a timely and appropriate one — for making clear when another country’s behavior has crossed a line and for applying pressure that could make its leaders reconsider course."
Clinton's sanctions on Iraq were violent for the several hundred thousand children who died.
Clinton's sanctions on Iraq were violent for the several hundred thousand children who died.
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I think it's pretty clear by now that Trump uses every opportunity to show Putin that he' will do everything that he possibly can to improve the U.S./Russia relationship.
Clearly, Putin has some secret information or evidence that would potentially destroy Trump's reputation and his presidency. And to have a president who is that susceptible to manipulation by a country regarded to be our primary adversary is certainly not a good position to be in. In fact, it's a dangerous position. If this is determined to be the case, then it is absolutely incumbent upon Congress and the Courts to use their collective power to correct this situation.
Clearly, Putin has some secret information or evidence that would potentially destroy Trump's reputation and his presidency. And to have a president who is that susceptible to manipulation by a country regarded to be our primary adversary is certainly not a good position to be in. In fact, it's a dangerous position. If this is determined to be the case, then it is absolutely incumbent upon Congress and the Courts to use their collective power to correct this situation.
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“(Russia) a country regarded to be our primary adversary”
Really?
Whatever happened to the war on terror?
What about the adversaries that the American military is actively confronting in the field at various war theaters throughout the World?
Really?
Whatever happened to the war on terror?
What about the adversaries that the American military is actively confronting in the field at various war theaters throughout the World?
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...And what about "preserving, protecting, and defending our democratic principles? Russia interjected itself into our democracy by attempting (and apparently succeeding) in helping Donald J. Trump (Putin's puppet) to get elected. If you don't regard that as being of monumental importance, then your set of values needs to be reexamined.
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We can do two things at once, don't you think?
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Is this the final straw? Will Trump's most critical supporter, Vladimir Putin, now conclude (correctly) that his most promising route to sanctions relief does not rely on Tang Kong?
An effective President would now have his Sec. of State push for waivers and his Atty. General challenge the law as a Constitutional overreach. It's a good thing Trump is on such good terms with Tillerson and Sessions. They may be his last hope before the Russian repo men come for the Presidency.
An effective President would now have his Sec. of State push for waivers and his Atty. General challenge the law as a Constitutional overreach. It's a good thing Trump is on such good terms with Tillerson and Sessions. They may be his last hope before the Russian repo men come for the Presidency.
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Putin expects Trump to turn the US against itself. Trump is certainly delivering that.
An important step has been taken to ensure our Constitution and overall our country, good. Unfortunately, Congress recognizes a much larger problem and fails to act on it, the Presidency. Congress takes no action to address this more substantive problem, it simply continues to enable this malignancy, the incompetent and incoherent Presidency.
Congress has lost its moral compass, its understanding of its role and duties, and its leadership responsibility. There should be no congressional kudos from the public on this legislation, in our recent past, this type of legislation would have been passed on a bipartisan basis without a second thought. Its only receiving outsize attention now, given the incompetent and incoherent presidency and the ineffective partisan congress.
We the people must demand from elected representatives that they find their mission, morals, and skills to execute their duties in a consistent and sustained bipartisan manner that's aligned with the history, norms, beliefs, and values that our institutions were founded upon. And when they don't, they'll be removed promptly, regardless of party. Our country, our institutions, our history, our values, our future are all much more important than one man, one party, or one set of beliefs.
Just let your voice be heard and vote, and we'll turn this mess around before its to late!
Congress has lost its moral compass, its understanding of its role and duties, and its leadership responsibility. There should be no congressional kudos from the public on this legislation, in our recent past, this type of legislation would have been passed on a bipartisan basis without a second thought. Its only receiving outsize attention now, given the incompetent and incoherent presidency and the ineffective partisan congress.
We the people must demand from elected representatives that they find their mission, morals, and skills to execute their duties in a consistent and sustained bipartisan manner that's aligned with the history, norms, beliefs, and values that our institutions were founded upon. And when they don't, they'll be removed promptly, regardless of party. Our country, our institutions, our history, our values, our future are all much more important than one man, one party, or one set of beliefs.
Just let your voice be heard and vote, and we'll turn this mess around before its to late!
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I cannot believe the commenters who criticize the passing of this Sanctions Bill. Why in the world would anyone complain that sanctions are placed on Russia for meddling in our elections? Who are these people?
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These people are Trump's friends. Without them, he wouldn't be president. They are not our friends.
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They're probably trolls, paid by the Russian government.
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Russia's troll army. Social media is a new battlefront: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world/europe/russia-finland-nato-trol...
My friend sent this to me before the election: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-how-to-hack-an-election/
I scoffed at the idea that a country like the US would fall victim to the tactics that have taken down far less developed countries in Latin America. Maybe it's that kind of hubris that made us vulnerable.
My friend sent this to me before the election: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-how-to-hack-an-election/
I scoffed at the idea that a country like the US would fall victim to the tactics that have taken down far less developed countries in Latin America. Maybe it's that kind of hubris that made us vulnerable.
I hope that McConnell and Ryan suffer the consequences of refusing to let Obama take stronger measures against Russia.
When Mueller cleans house, they should go too.
"September 2016: Obama directly confronted Putin at a world leaders meeting in China, telling him to stop -- or else, according to Post reporting.
September: Top members of Congress get a secret briefing by the intelligence community that Russia is interfering in the election, but to what end, they aren't sure. The intelligence community privately says agencies are conducting a broad investigation. The Washington Post later reported that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) voiced doubts about the accuracy of this in those secret meetings."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/23/even-democrats...
When Mueller cleans house, they should go too.
"September 2016: Obama directly confronted Putin at a world leaders meeting in China, telling him to stop -- or else, according to Post reporting.
September: Top members of Congress get a secret briefing by the intelligence community that Russia is interfering in the election, but to what end, they aren't sure. The intelligence community privately says agencies are conducting a broad investigation. The Washington Post later reported that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) voiced doubts about the accuracy of this in those secret meetings."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/23/even-democrats...
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At last we find that there is still some backbone on Capitol Hill. Of course the Russians don't like it, so yes they will retaliate. Since when would we let them get away with something as serious as meddling in our election (whether the Trump campaign coordinated with them is a separate issue) because they don't like it if we do anything?
Mr. Trump may grab onto the European discontent as an excuse for a veto. Certainly an autocrat, which he is, hates having his "rights" reigned in. Thankfully, his veto can be overridden. This match goes to the level headed grown-ups.
Mr. Trump may grab onto the European discontent as an excuse for a veto. Certainly an autocrat, which he is, hates having his "rights" reigned in. Thankfully, his veto can be overridden. This match goes to the level headed grown-ups.
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The Senate's Russian sanctions bill grows the credibility gap of legislative government. Tough on Russia, but tougher on healthcare: the Senate's Republicans are willing to drop (by latest estimates) 16 million insured next year, if their bill passes. What threat does 18 million Americans hold against the nation--what danger to democracy do the currently insured represent?
The national government, both legislative and executive, seems bent on imaginary threats and false promises. These empty promises are a pretext: the word threat hides their threat; the word danger hides their danger, one greater than the one we are told it prevents.
This twisted double standard is sorted out in healthcare by a simple checklist: in healthcare, are premiums lowered? No. Are services expanded? No. Is the safety net expanded? No. Are more Americans covered? No. Both the insurance industry and medical providers and consumer groups oppose the Senate bill in every form.
No terrorists rushed in as Trump promised during the court's suspension of his travel ban. The military costs of all transgender medical services are one-tenth of what it pays for Viagra, Cialis and other ED treatments. Ending support for global family planning damaged America's leadership and hurts its mutual economic growth. A sway of destruction and bunce for the rich has followed the pledge to greatness that ignores the poor and working families, whose lives are worse.
The national government, both legislative and executive, seems bent on imaginary threats and false promises. These empty promises are a pretext: the word threat hides their threat; the word danger hides their danger, one greater than the one we are told it prevents.
This twisted double standard is sorted out in healthcare by a simple checklist: in healthcare, are premiums lowered? No. Are services expanded? No. Is the safety net expanded? No. Are more Americans covered? No. Both the insurance industry and medical providers and consumer groups oppose the Senate bill in every form.
No terrorists rushed in as Trump promised during the court's suspension of his travel ban. The military costs of all transgender medical services are one-tenth of what it pays for Viagra, Cialis and other ED treatments. Ending support for global family planning damaged America's leadership and hurts its mutual economic growth. A sway of destruction and bunce for the rich has followed the pledge to greatness that ignores the poor and working families, whose lives are worse.
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A bipartisan checklist is a simple, effective tool to assess the bills and actions of the national legislature (House and Senate) and executive (the President and cabinet).
1. If it's a budget cut, where do the “savings” go?
(In healthcare to the rich; transgender military healthcare costs 1/10th of the 1.2 million prescriptions for ED; in global healthcare, abortions, unwanted pregnancies, and deaths will rise; at home, 1,000 die every week from overdoses, 600 a day are shot, injuries to deaths, two to one.)
2. Is the safety net preserved?
(In healthcare, no. In civil liberties, no. In full meaning of constitutional equality, no.)
3. Are costs lowered?
(In healthcare and safety nets, no. They are transferred to other parts of the social order and burden the most venerable.)
4. Is the analysis of the decision faithful to its details and contradictions?
(In healthcare, no. Not one Republican has uttered their plan drops 18 million currently insured! Trade policy ignores a big contradiction: the efficiency and inclusiveness of multi-lateral agreements is pushed aside.
5. For the nation as a whole, is long term growth promoted?
(In education, the environment, the interior, immigration, energy, commerce, safety, equality, no/ By sanctions, yes.)
1. If it's a budget cut, where do the “savings” go?
(In healthcare to the rich; transgender military healthcare costs 1/10th of the 1.2 million prescriptions for ED; in global healthcare, abortions, unwanted pregnancies, and deaths will rise; at home, 1,000 die every week from overdoses, 600 a day are shot, injuries to deaths, two to one.)
2. Is the safety net preserved?
(In healthcare, no. In civil liberties, no. In full meaning of constitutional equality, no.)
3. Are costs lowered?
(In healthcare and safety nets, no. They are transferred to other parts of the social order and burden the most venerable.)
4. Is the analysis of the decision faithful to its details and contradictions?
(In healthcare, no. Not one Republican has uttered their plan drops 18 million currently insured! Trade policy ignores a big contradiction: the efficiency and inclusiveness of multi-lateral agreements is pushed aside.
5. For the nation as a whole, is long term growth promoted?
(In education, the environment, the interior, immigration, energy, commerce, safety, equality, no/ By sanctions, yes.)
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The world is closer to the brink of war than it has been in decades. Most people don't understand that the slightest miscalculation could set off a series of events that we would never be able to recover from.
This will not end well.
This will not end well.
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Well now it has started. They just grabbed some of our diplomatic properties and are kicking out our diplomats. Isn't this fun? Still think we'll be able to "work with them" despite this?
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Mark Thomason asks "Well now it has started...still think we'll be able to work with them". That's exactly the point in dealing with countries like Russia who look to diminish the US. Do you think Iran would have come to the negotiating table without the pain of financial sanctions? We certainly don't want military action which is where all the "savings" from other department cuts are going, and Trump has so far focused his State Department cuts on diplomacy. He shows no urgency in replacing Ambassadors he had resign and Tillerson visits countries without even speaking to diplomats in place. Something had to be done and sanctions work. If the Russians tried to assist the Trump campaign (and it's pretty clear they did - the only open question is if the campaign took the bait) it was because they are desperate to get the Magnitsky sanctions removed. How else can Putin get his hands on his laundered money and turn around his sagging economy? So, yes, we'll eventually be able to work with them.
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You disagree on these sanctions? Why Mr. Thomason? Do you think that it is okay for Russia to interfere in American elections when all the intelligence agencies say that they have???? Are you not anxious for the results of Meuller's ongoing investigation?
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It's about time that Congress acted to curtail Trump.
But wouldn't it have been great if they had input and advice from the State Department on the impact of the legislation first. If they had been able to debate how to go about retaliation for election meddling with the help of the Executive Branch, so that all the ramifications were on the table before the vote? If the State Department were staffed and laid the ground work with our allies?
In other words, if we had acted like a mature nation of laws, rules and norms and not some sort of tinpot banana republic in perpetual disarray?
Thanks Congress for finally stepping up. Want to try to make a habit of it? Maybe stop worrying about repealing health care and worrying about fixing our national problems here and abroad?
I won't ask the same of the State Department; they don't stand a chance.
But wouldn't it have been great if they had input and advice from the State Department on the impact of the legislation first. If they had been able to debate how to go about retaliation for election meddling with the help of the Executive Branch, so that all the ramifications were on the table before the vote? If the State Department were staffed and laid the ground work with our allies?
In other words, if we had acted like a mature nation of laws, rules and norms and not some sort of tinpot banana republic in perpetual disarray?
Thanks Congress for finally stepping up. Want to try to make a habit of it? Maybe stop worrying about repealing health care and worrying about fixing our national problems here and abroad?
I won't ask the same of the State Department; they don't stand a chance.
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Are there even any experts still in the State Dept. that they could consult with?
Maybe Congress will now finally get a higher approval rating than Chris Christie.
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Between this and last night's negative vote on the so-called skinny Obamacare repeal, I think it's clear that trump's congressional fan base is starting to collapse. And not a moment too soon. If I were him I'd be starting to worry. One thing, though - he's already destined to be an historic figure, with a prime position in the Hall of Infamy.
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Trump: "What me worry? Gracious NO! More people attended my inauguration than any President in history! God's on my side; just ask my Evangelical base. What's more, heh-heh, I have the nuclear codes."
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A welcome blow for independence has been struck. While it has been refreshing to see that SCOTUS has been able to arrive at decisions which reflect a real world awareness while maintaining respect for foundational Black Letter principles, for the most part the sensible justices have been able to state their support or disagreement without creating a national incident. Nonetheless I am encouraged that we may see a backbone that shows we may be able to rely on decisions that affirm the strength of the same-sex marriage envelope rather than the restrictions of minority reports in opposition to more widely held perceptions that rights common to all ought to be shared without contradiction...such as the alternate reality illustrated by the transgender exclusion from military service dictated by Himself.
What we can all open our eyes on is a similar coming out of denial by the legislative branch that we need to have confidence there will be de minimus cowboy/cowgirl displays from loose cannonballs for cheap sensationalism aimed at a few questionable positions by unruly senators and representatives. The broad spectrum media which we have is responsive to articulating responsible stands by a clear thinking mentality evidenced more than a little generally in the persons sent to Washington from these United States. The myth of the Washington Swamp is becoming more clearly a mirage fostered to prop up foundationless exhibitions of claimed support for new and unproven voter philosophy.
What we can all open our eyes on is a similar coming out of denial by the legislative branch that we need to have confidence there will be de minimus cowboy/cowgirl displays from loose cannonballs for cheap sensationalism aimed at a few questionable positions by unruly senators and representatives. The broad spectrum media which we have is responsive to articulating responsible stands by a clear thinking mentality evidenced more than a little generally in the persons sent to Washington from these United States. The myth of the Washington Swamp is becoming more clearly a mirage fostered to prop up foundationless exhibitions of claimed support for new and unproven voter philosophy.
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"But Congress believes that he cannot be trusted, and that Russia must be held accountable, even as America should try to work with Mr. Putin on Syria and other matters."
This can only ensure that America will not be able to work with Russia on Syria, North Korea, or anything else.
It is Democrats attacking Trump, and Republicans trying to look tough in response, but it is Cold War foolishness after the Cold War is over.
The attack on America is overblown, and it follows American attack on Russia in the same way. If we want to prevent it happening again, then like nuclear weapons we'd have to have an agreement, not intensified Cold War. The agreement would then limit America doing to others what it does not want done to itself, and these some Congressmen don't want that.
This can only ensure that America will not be able to work with Russia on Syria, North Korea, or anything else.
It is Democrats attacking Trump, and Republicans trying to look tough in response, but it is Cold War foolishness after the Cold War is over.
The attack on America is overblown, and it follows American attack on Russia in the same way. If we want to prevent it happening again, then like nuclear weapons we'd have to have an agreement, not intensified Cold War. The agreement would then limit America doing to others what it does not want done to itself, and these some Congressmen don't want that.
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Mark:
As usual, I agree 100%.
Two issues to consider:
1. There are many people in the U.S. public and private sector who explicitly benefit from an adversarial relationship with Russia, rather than "working with them". They are driving the national conversation.
2. Europeans are already seeing through the sanctions, so they will provide a brake to the craziness that has taken hold in the U.S.
I'm no fan of Putin, but realpolitik requires us to often deal with leaders/countries/systems that we don't like. It is incredible to me that our relationship with Russia is as bad as during the Soviet era, when they were a more intransigent, more powerful adversary.
As usual, I agree 100%.
Two issues to consider:
1. There are many people in the U.S. public and private sector who explicitly benefit from an adversarial relationship with Russia, rather than "working with them". They are driving the national conversation.
2. Europeans are already seeing through the sanctions, so they will provide a brake to the craziness that has taken hold in the U.S.
I'm no fan of Putin, but realpolitik requires us to often deal with leaders/countries/systems that we don't like. It is incredible to me that our relationship with Russia is as bad as during the Soviet era, when they were a more intransigent, more powerful adversary.
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There is not a single committee in Congress investigating Trump which is headed by a Democrat. The Republicans are investigating Trump, it is not, as you say, "Democrats attacking Trump." To be sure, the Republicans are moving too slowly, but the fact remains, every single Trump investigation exists because the GOP, the party in control of all branches of government, wants Trump to be investigated.
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Yep, it is all the Democrats fault. Really, the Repubs could easily shut this down, they control both the House and Senate, and you are blaming the Democrats?
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This is one of the most encouraging news for a long time and from afar adds to what looks like shift. Something has changed and Trump knows it too. Hence the further depths he plumbs and more erratic he behaves.
Trump seems to be driving this shift ever faster. Back in March I thought he'd be impeached within the next 12 months, but he seems to be driving the narrative ever faster. I wouldn't be surprised if a few members the GOP drive for impeachment within 8 months. But if they don't move on him by the mid-terms the GOP won't move at all. They'll be locked in and it'll be down to Democrats and the American people alone kick start any rebellion .
This ban on sanctions removal indicates that the GOP is just as worried about Trump as the rest of the world and I thank The Powers That Be for it,
Trump seems to be driving this shift ever faster. Back in March I thought he'd be impeached within the next 12 months, but he seems to be driving the narrative ever faster. I wouldn't be surprised if a few members the GOP drive for impeachment within 8 months. But if they don't move on him by the mid-terms the GOP won't move at all. They'll be locked in and it'll be down to Democrats and the American people alone kick start any rebellion .
This ban on sanctions removal indicates that the GOP is just as worried about Trump as the rest of the world and I thank The Powers That Be for it,
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Your parliamentary system allows political transformations to happen in one election. Not so in this sticky morass of flypaper system we have here. Only one third of the senators have to stand for election in 2018, and two thirds of those are Democrats.
The exceptional Congressional move of the Congress to defy Trump and punish Russia itself by imposing harsher sanctions on it for its direct interference in the US democratic process and undermining its legitimacy was perhaps forced by the long dillydallying of President Trump. If the Congress has taken full charge of the sanctions issue, leaving Trump little space for the executive mischief (not ruled out in Trump's case for his being a Putin admirer and beneficiary), it reflects two things: it's deep concern for the national security; and its growing distrust for Trump who can go to any extent to sacrifice the US national interests in order to serve his personal and business interests.
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Professor,
How do you feel about the United States interfering in other nation's elections and internal affairs? Would another nation be justified in imposing sanctions on us or attacking us for doing so?
How do you feel about the United States interfering in other nation's elections and internal affairs? Would another nation be justified in imposing sanctions on us or attacking us for doing so?
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Been there, done that. Iranian hostages ring a bell? The US is still paying the price of 'election meddling' almost 70 years later. Justified? Probably. Think we will still be challenging Russia 70 years from now for inflicting Trump on us? Hope so.
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What's wrong if the aggrieved nation retaliates through the sanctions which is a part of coercive diplomacy to seek behavioural change, and avoids armed conflict?
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It appears to me that the bill also includes sanctions on President Trump.
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...rightly so. Reel this buffoon in. VOTE AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!
Yes, Alan - and it's bloody well about time!
In the crucial stages of the Peloponnesian War, while trying to prevent the Athenians from launching a hubristic expedition against Hellenic Sicily, Nicias finishes his speech with a commonsensical advice: “the duty of those who hold office is simply this, to do all the good they can do their country, or in any case never to do any harm that can be avoided”. Alcibiades, the invasion’s chief promoter, countered strongly with the quintessential motto of hyper-rational Realism: “there is a danger that we may fall under the power of others unless others are in our power” -- and so sailed the Athenian fleet to distant Sicily.
The Editors stand is that up to now the sanctions didn’t “sufficiently punish” the Russians’ for interfering nor did they “ensure it wouldn’t happen again”. And indeed, D. Coats, the director of national intelligence, echoed Alcibiades’ logic of “always prevent first” and pontificates: “They are trying to undermine Western Democracy.” Not much intelligence is spent in trying to determine whether the Russians really have embarked on a clash of civilizations’ campaign and are they actually capable of carrying this global-domination task. The hybrid pro-Sanctions' camp doesn’t consider fully the less-expected consequences of pushing the already siege-mentality replete Kremlin farther to the corner of distressed-economy and low oil prices -- and so the American Congress sails into the “unchartered territory” of heavier sanctions’ regime.
The Editors stand is that up to now the sanctions didn’t “sufficiently punish” the Russians’ for interfering nor did they “ensure it wouldn’t happen again”. And indeed, D. Coats, the director of national intelligence, echoed Alcibiades’ logic of “always prevent first” and pontificates: “They are trying to undermine Western Democracy.” Not much intelligence is spent in trying to determine whether the Russians really have embarked on a clash of civilizations’ campaign and are they actually capable of carrying this global-domination task. The hybrid pro-Sanctions' camp doesn’t consider fully the less-expected consequences of pushing the already siege-mentality replete Kremlin farther to the corner of distressed-economy and low oil prices -- and so the American Congress sails into the “unchartered territory” of heavier sanctions’ regime.
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Much ado about paranoid schizophrenia.
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All future and espacially the one involving nonideological russian cleptokracy is an "uncharter territory". The fear of unknown is not a good policy adviser.
To Servus,
Indeed sowing the “fear of the unknown” is the mark of expedient alarmism. In the case of Putin’s Russia we do know that they are under a gnawing, not totally unfounded, impression that the U.S. is coming first to take their regime and then to take Russia (as in the Nineties) – that makes trying a not yet unnecessary strong coercive policy on Moscow a very hubristic humanity-endangering campaign.
Indeed sowing the “fear of the unknown” is the mark of expedient alarmism. In the case of Putin’s Russia we do know that they are under a gnawing, not totally unfounded, impression that the U.S. is coming first to take their regime and then to take Russia (as in the Nineties) – that makes trying a not yet unnecessary strong coercive policy on Moscow a very hubristic humanity-endangering campaign.
If Trump does veto it, he can be assured of two things. First, that it will incriminate him even more - if that is possible - concerning his questionable past, and present, connections with Putin. Secondly, it will be overridden by Congress, I am almost certain. At this point, this group (of politicians) is the only "grown up in the room." As much as our legislative branch drives me to distraction, they have experience with governing and foreign affairs. And, if I am correct, they are historically suspicious of Russia and its known thuggery.
But let us take a minute to reflect on what needs to be done to rein in this president. When has this been done? To my knowledge the last time any action needed to be taken because of a POTUS's state of mind occurred during the last days of Nixon. I hope I am correct when I say that I think our Congress is beginning to grow a spine by realizing that this man who sits in a chair too big, metaphorically, in the Oval Office is daily becoming more erratic and less disciplined. He is a danger to our democracy, to us. In a nutshell.
But let us take a minute to reflect on what needs to be done to rein in this president. When has this been done? To my knowledge the last time any action needed to be taken because of a POTUS's state of mind occurred during the last days of Nixon. I hope I am correct when I say that I think our Congress is beginning to grow a spine by realizing that this man who sits in a chair too big, metaphorically, in the Oval Office is daily becoming more erratic and less disciplined. He is a danger to our democracy, to us. In a nutshell.
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He ain't no boy scout. They're coming to take him away ... the Scaramoochi appointment makes apparent Trumpsky's desperate attempt to throw all his toys out of the crib in an effort to distract from his obvious cover up antics ... he will go the way of his failed casinos (how does a casino fail?) and various other attempts to bilk the zealous short-sighted base he briefly established. The only promise kept will be draining the swamp of him and his kleptocratic croanies. Good riddance to bad rubbish. VOTE AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!
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America has a long history of interfering in other nations' elections. Obama provided Netanyahu's opponents with advice and funds. Other attempts in other countries have included bribery, supporting coups and even invasions. It's something to keep in mind.
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Oh so that makes it ok that Russia did it to the US? What kind of logic is that?
And what did Obama actually do? Facts/cite, please.
And what did Obama actually do? Facts/cite, please.
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The editors may well believe that sanctions are a nonviolent tool. What matters, however, is what Mr. Putin thinks and he may respond in some other ways. We already seem to have underestimated his cyber capacity despite having 17 intelligence agencies. What else have we overlooked?
Also do the editors seriously believe America will be able to work with Russia on Syria and other matters if these sanctions are imposed?
I hope the president vetoes this bill and if it is overridden as seems likely challenges it in court.
Also do the editors seriously believe America will be able to work with Russia on Syria and other matters if these sanctions are imposed?
I hope the president vetoes this bill and if it is overridden as seems likely challenges it in court.
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What makes you think that russians cooperate with usa in syria? Did they consult before giving assad gren light for the latest saarin atack? De facto cooperation is minimal and limited to avoiding air accidents and keeping away from zones of influence, that latest russian plan tries to make permanent.
Cooperation with russians is a big joke, unles you carry big stick in your hand.
Cooperation with russians is a big joke, unles you carry big stick in your hand.
Vlad Putin sure knows where the cleavages lie in this nest of rival states.
Perhaps the Democrats should now attempt to offer Putin a deal: we'll vote to lift the sanctions if you release the dossier you've been keeping on The Donald along with all the video/audio evidence you have that corroborates the material it contains. Considering the extent of Russia's involvement in the biggest debacle in the history of American elections, this would be a fitting way for Putin to make amends and, at the same time, rescue his failing economy.
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@Stu: an excellent strategery, but it'd be a shame to lose the sanctions against the oligarchs under the Maginsky Act. Maybe offer an acceptance of the status quo in Crimea for a pullout from eastern Ukraine and the deep dirt file on Trump.
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@stu freeman
Sadly, even if we had the dossier and all the supporting evidence, it would make zero difference to Trump's supporters. As for the congressional Republicans, if they're willing to sell their fellow citizens down the river on health care insurance, I see no reason to think that the dossier and the supporting evidence would do much to increase their willingness to impeach the execrable person occupying the Oval Office.
Sadly, even if we had the dossier and all the supporting evidence, it would make zero difference to Trump's supporters. As for the congressional Republicans, if they're willing to sell their fellow citizens down the river on health care insurance, I see no reason to think that the dossier and the supporting evidence would do much to increase their willingness to impeach the execrable person occupying the Oval Office.
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What you are calling for is for the Democratic Party to opening collude with a foreign power to oust an elected US President in return for lifting of sanctions against them.
Are you aware of how ridiculous your comment is?
Are you aware of how ridiculous your comment is?
A primer:
Trump will bloviate and lie and tantrum
GOP Congress will acquiescence and be complicit
The sad truth? I could post this at the end of ANY story on the NYT, WAPO, Breitbart or Daily Caller and I would still be correct.
Trump will bloviate and lie and tantrum
GOP Congress will acquiescence and be complicit
The sad truth? I could post this at the end of ANY story on the NYT, WAPO, Breitbart or Daily Caller and I would still be correct.
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The NYT editors simply assert as fact that Russia hacked or meddled in the 2016 US elections. There is no evidence yet made public anywhere that would support that empty claim, a claim now used to enact sanctions firmly cementing bad relations with nuclear-armed Russia, a country which only wants to be a cooperative "partner". Who benifits from this Cold War replay? Who is willing to risk war over unfounded allegations against Russia?
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The CIA, FBI and the NSA have stated that Russia is behind the hacking and meddling in the 2016 US elections.
They cannot lay out their evidence to the public:
"The Intelligence Community rarely can publicly reveal the full extent of its knowledge or the precise bases for its assessments, as the release of such information would reveal sensitive sources or methods and imperil the ability to collect critical foreign intelligence in the future."
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
They cannot lay out their evidence to the public:
"The Intelligence Community rarely can publicly reveal the full extent of its knowledge or the precise bases for its assessments, as the release of such information would reveal sensitive sources or methods and imperil the ability to collect critical foreign intelligence in the future."
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
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Your points are well taken with respect to not replaying the Cold War. This is not about some careless "assertions"; worthwhile to take a closer look:
(1) The Insecurity Of America's Old And Underfunded Voting Systems" http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2017/07/20/538312289/fresh-air-for...
(2) http://www.businessinsider.com/why-was-russian-money-laundering-case-dis...
(3) https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-t...
(4) http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/russian-organized-crim...
(1) The Insecurity Of America's Old And Underfunded Voting Systems" http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2017/07/20/538312289/fresh-air-for...
(2) http://www.businessinsider.com/why-was-russian-money-laundering-case-dis...
(3) https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-t...
(4) http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/russian-organized-crim...
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So true, Cord. Putin has denied many times that Russia is innocent! The NYT even reported on that. Strange that the NYT would believe the CIA, FBI, and NSA but not Putin... mystifying...
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Finally the GOP does a little something to restrain Putin's useful idiot in the White House from helping Russian oligarchs and human rights abusers. Oooh, the Russians might retaliate - that might mean no more Trump Tower in Moscow!
Go ahead, Mr. drama queen - make our day and veto this sanctions bill!
Go ahead, Mr. drama queen - make our day and veto this sanctions bill!
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I'm amazed Congress got their act together on this. It sure sends a signal to Trump that he can't be trusted and that Congress isn't going to stand by idly while Trump cavorts with his "new best friend" whose dictator powers he undoubtedly would love to possess himself.
Who knows how bold Trump will he (or how weak, based on your views of the relationship between him and Putin)?
But I certainly think it will be a litmus test over exactly how tight is the leash Trump is on . A highly unusual position to be in, particularly for a man who likes to be able to call the shots--but no longer reliably can.
Who knows how bold Trump will he (or how weak, based on your views of the relationship between him and Putin)?
But I certainly think it will be a litmus test over exactly how tight is the leash Trump is on . A highly unusual position to be in, particularly for a man who likes to be able to call the shots--but no longer reliably can.
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They also sent a signal to hundreds of the American diplomats in Russia to pack their bags.
Watch out America....This sanctions bill just might take Trump over the edge. I think we should expect even more outrageous behavior by Trump as he feverishly fends off the red hot Russia investigation and now Putin's retaliatory wrath.
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@vlb: yeah, his ROI just went up in smoke.
Not that they are without purpose, but sanctions targeting Russia will do nothing to (a) protect our elections from being hacked or (b) bring Mr. Trump to justice for compromising financial entanglements involving Russian power brokers.
Of the two matters, securing fair and trustworthy elections is more fundamental to our system of government and more straightforward to approach. Unfortunately, both the White House and the Republicans in Congress and many red state governments are not only leaving voting systems vulnerable to hacking, they are actively working to disenfranchise millions of legitimate voters.
At the same time, much more progress could be made toward clarifying Trump's troubling relationship with Russia if he would release his tax returns and, once and for, insist that all of his campaign officials account for all Russian contacts and conversations once and for all. Congress (and we citizens) should insist that Trump do his part to end the suspicions tainting his administration instead pointing fingers at those out of power and making up stories about wire tapping and witch hunts.
Instead, we are getting a big side show to distract us from the heart of the matter. Forcing Trump to abide by Russian sanctions is fine and well, but it is not nearly enough to protect our democracy. We should not be pleased with this token gesture given all that is at stake.
Of the two matters, securing fair and trustworthy elections is more fundamental to our system of government and more straightforward to approach. Unfortunately, both the White House and the Republicans in Congress and many red state governments are not only leaving voting systems vulnerable to hacking, they are actively working to disenfranchise millions of legitimate voters.
At the same time, much more progress could be made toward clarifying Trump's troubling relationship with Russia if he would release his tax returns and, once and for, insist that all of his campaign officials account for all Russian contacts and conversations once and for all. Congress (and we citizens) should insist that Trump do his part to end the suspicions tainting his administration instead pointing fingers at those out of power and making up stories about wire tapping and witch hunts.
Instead, we are getting a big side show to distract us from the heart of the matter. Forcing Trump to abide by Russian sanctions is fine and well, but it is not nearly enough to protect our democracy. We should not be pleased with this token gesture given all that is at stake.
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Economic sanctions are nothing but hot air. Any country, against which economic sanctions have been imposed, will always find ways to obtain the banned products elsewhere, even by using third-country intermediaries. If Congress wants to blow steam, let the babies do it, but get real in the dealing with the Cryptobolshevic Empire.
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You have forgotten one of the most important reasons Putin wanted sanction relief: so he and he cronies could move their stolen assets out of Russia. It has nothing to do with importing smartphones.
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We can only hope Trump vetoes this bill and then see if the Toadies in congress will stand up to Trump or continue to play to their base.
I'm guessing that congress will override the bill but it will be interesting to see which of the spineless change their vote.
I'm guessing that congress will override the bill but it will be interesting to see which of the spineless change their vote.
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@Brian,
So this bill is really about getting Trump?
So this bill is really about getting Trump?
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I'd say the bill is meant to affect anyone involved with the Russian cyber-offensive against the United States and its democratic processes. If someone within the Trump administration is complicit in that cyber-attack, then so be it.
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"The Europeans have their own complaints, one of which is that the sanctions could threaten a pipeline to transport Russian gas into Germany."
So I guess that for the Europeans it is Europe first, and in this case Germany first. Russian gas to Germany trumps Russian hacking of American elections and Russian supplying of arms to the Butcher of Damascus. ( "on foreign financial institutions that facilitate such projects [=Russian energy projects] and on suppliers of arms to Syria").
So I guess that for the Europeans it is Europe first, and in this case Germany first. Russian gas to Germany trumps Russian hacking of American elections and Russian supplying of arms to the Butcher of Damascus. ( "on foreign financial institutions that facilitate such projects [=Russian energy projects] and on suppliers of arms to Syria").
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"So I guess that for the Europeans it is Europe first, and in this case Germany first. Russian gas to Germany trumps Russian hacking of American elections and Russian supplying of arms to the Butcher of Damascus."
The US sanctions are designed to disadvantage Russia but do as little damage as possible to the US economy, just as the substantial EU sanctions currently in place against Russia were designed to do as little damage as possible to the EU countries. Neither the US nor the EU will be happy when the other set of sanctions causes them major problems in an area that their own sanction package had deliberately avoided. Europe is acting against Russia as well but just like the US it's trying not to shoot itself in the foot too badly in the process.
The US sanctions are designed to disadvantage Russia but do as little damage as possible to the US economy, just as the substantial EU sanctions currently in place against Russia were designed to do as little damage as possible to the EU countries. Neither the US nor the EU will be happy when the other set of sanctions causes them major problems in an area that their own sanction package had deliberately avoided. Europe is acting against Russia as well but just like the US it's trying not to shoot itself in the foot too badly in the process.
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You're actually blaming Gerrmany for wanting an exception? They're people - they need heat in the wintertime. The new cold war is not the Germans' doing. They should not be made to pay the price.
The sanctions should be directed at Russia. Not Germany.
The sanctions should be directed at Russia. Not Germany.
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And that is exactly the reason why countries usually work together when deciding on sanctions on a third party, to make sure that they do not inadvertently damage an ally's economy.
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Revolt of the spineless at last
A mini-die half-boldly cast,
A Don-Trump-defying
Despite all his lying
Small sample of Congress once past?
Or is it what's going to be?
Keep eyes on the Health bill and see,
With judgment suspended
Trump might be rear ended
With cause for a real jubilee!!
A mini-die half-boldly cast,
A Don-Trump-defying
Despite all his lying
Small sample of Congress once past?
Or is it what's going to be?
Keep eyes on the Health bill and see,
With judgment suspended
Trump might be rear ended
With cause for a real jubilee!!
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Larry Eisenberg, your comments are a treasure.
"Who knew that being a Russian stooge could be so complicated ?"
At least the Grand Old Peasants are happy to have voted for a giant, empty waving flag that Donald Trump soils on a daily basis.
At least the Grand Old Peasants are happy to have voted for a giant, empty waving flag that Donald Trump soils on a daily basis.
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