Injecting ink into one's skin? Ya . . . NO. I protected my kids from sunburns when they were young and now that they are in their 30's, they are grateful for healthy skin. If one covers oneself in tattoos, it sure makes it a whole lot more difficult to locate skin cancer.
The author Primo Levi was tattooed against his will when he was taken to Auschwitz. When he returned to Italy after the war, he wore short-sleeved shirts so that people could see his tattoo. On his tombstone, we see his dates, his name, and the number on his tattoo:
1919-1987
Primo Levi
174517.
Doesn't seem to bother LeBron.
"More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette." A popular advertisement in the not-all-that-distant past.
Inhaling smoke and tar into the body is not natural, and the scientific evidence has overwhelmingly backed up this very obvious "duh" conclusion. But it took a while until medical science and the sample groups converged.
When tattoos were "Mom" on sailors' upper arms, it didn't comprise a sample group of the consequences of large areas of the body tattooed with ink. Now, we have both the passage of time -- a requirement for a scientific sample group -- and we have large numbers with large areas of bodies with ink. That's how you get a study-able sample group.
We are going to face a major health care crisis. This, like cigarettes, falls into the "duh" category. It's not natural. It's not something the body is built to handle.
As time and sample group sizes converge, the study findings are going to be scary -- but not shocking.
I like to say about the FACT that young adults can't know what they'll want around their entire lives, "I'm glad when we got perms back in the 80s they weren't permanent," but this situation is not something to joke about. It's occam's razor. That the effects take the passage of time to be measurable does not negate what is already obvious.
And, as B. J. Honeycutt remarked when Radar wanted a tattoo, "I never understood why anyone would permanently put on their body something they wouldn't hang in their living room."
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I'd like to know as well what that brand on the back of a steer does to its sweat glands. Perhaps not being able to freely sweat is why they look so forlorn and scarred.
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I don't think many farmers and ranchers brand these days, it's messy and dangerous. Most of the cattlemen I know use ear tags with computer chips to track their animals. Still disgusting -- I'm a vegetarian -- but probably less painful and fewer infections.
Problems of sweating while sporting tattoos are nothing compared to the real problem of tattoo art outside of tribal contexts, which is the reliance on degraded art. The tattoo of Western culture relies on the contour line (obviously, for there's no such thing as chiaroscuro or sfumato in tattooing skin). Invariably, the art reflects schlocky adolescent taste--harsh outlines of 7th-grade-level cliched images of roses, snakes, various cartoons and the like.
The tattoo is fine. The sweating isn't a big problem. It's the art.
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I am surprised by the "hate comments" concerning tattoos. I'm an old middle-class white guy and have no tattoos - I always associated them with sailors (or the Popeye cartoon character) and disliked them. But lots of cultures view them very differently and I think we should at least be respectful. Some of my younger relatives have tattoos that I must admit are striking and dare-I-say-it beautiful. In the past I also thought of tats as being mainly for gang members but clearly that's not the case anymore.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think if you're older, richer, and white (in other words, like me) you're more likely to be anti-tattoo. That should give one pause.
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Interesting. One quibble: Ink does not "dissipate" in the lymph nodes.
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I have very happily passed out of the target demographic.
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Amen
Interesting findings, but I wonder if the NYT should have held off on reporting the issue until a study with more than 10 non-diverse participants were included.
That...is not a statistically significant number. (To be fair, the article does comment on the fact).
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I'm so glad I'm past the tattoo phase.
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A tattoo is a permanent reminder of a temporary feeling.
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For some, that is why it is important to us. All feelings are "temporary", but remembering them is still important sometimes.
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That's an interesting perspective. I don't think this is wholly inaccurate, except that you're umbrella-ing ALL tattoos as permanent reminders of a temporary feeling. In defense of my tattoo: it's of a bird. As a birder, I don't see anything temporary about my admiration for birds. In fact, I'd be saddened with myself if I lost the respect I have, and have had, for our avian friends. And it's not just any bird that I decided to permanently place on my body, but of the Florida Scrub Jay, a rare and endangered bird common only to Florida. As a Florida native who grew up around these amazing birds, and who fears the extinction of them in the future due to Florida's grotesque over-development in areas that the FL Scrub Jay needs for survival, I just couldn't help myself by choosing it for one of my tats. I don't know if I'll ever look at my tattoo of this darling and unique bird and think, "Man, I regret getting this." I'm quite taken by it, actually. And I plan to get more, because tattoos are wonderful forms of self-expression, and I am a firm supporter in all forms of self-expression that are not harmful to one's self.
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Like to see a long term study of what all that ink does to the inside/cells of one's body... A potential cancer causing agent?
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Agreed. Also, with respect to sweat glands, how about a study with a representative sample (or at least something more than 10) with sweat that's produced the old-fashioned way--physical exertion--not artificially induced.
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I'm kind of amazed at the very harsh judgement coming from so many people about tattoos. Something worth considering is that those of us with tattoos don't care what you think about them, or us. Additionally, my tattoos have not prevented me from getting two degrees and having a successful career.
I also noted a few comments about how especially women ruin their looks or some sort of "pureness" with tattoos. Again, I'm willing to guess that no woman who has a tattoo ever worried whether some middle aged man will think she is a "barmaid" or not. When I got my first tattoo at 18 I was immediately struck that I had just done something to my body that I wanted. My hair was long (men like long hair!), my legs often in short shorts, but not too short (men like a little leg, but not too much leg!) I drank, but not too much (don't be a drag, but don't be a lush!) etc etc etc. I had internalized all these messages trying to be the "best woman" I could be. And yet, here was something just for me. I claimed my body as my own. And I loved it. A teeny-tiny star on the inside of my arm, it is all for me, and guess what, it's not about you at all.
I also noted a few comments about how especially women ruin their looks or some sort of "pureness" with tattoos. Again, I'm willing to guess that no woman who has a tattoo ever worried whether some middle aged man will think she is a "barmaid" or not. When I got my first tattoo at 18 I was immediately struck that I had just done something to my body that I wanted. My hair was long (men like long hair!), my legs often in short shorts, but not too short (men like a little leg, but not too much leg!) I drank, but not too much (don't be a drag, but don't be a lush!) etc etc etc. I had internalized all these messages trying to be the "best woman" I could be. And yet, here was something just for me. I claimed my body as my own. And I loved it. A teeny-tiny star on the inside of my arm, it is all for me, and guess what, it's not about you at all.
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Call me old fashioned but I have no tattoos and think they are disgusting and highly unappealing. The younger generation today that has become more accepting of them is making a dumb mistake, as they will regret having them later when they are older and their perspectives/interests change.
Like tanning salons and cigarettes, it is a business that I despise and wish would go out of business and/or be outlawed.
Like tanning salons and cigarettes, it is a business that I despise and wish would go out of business and/or be outlawed.
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You are old fashioned. I have had my ink for more than twenty years and still love it! No regrets. Don't like them, don't get them, but a call to outlaw tattoos is entirely unreasonable.
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You're old fashioned!
Tattoos always make me think of pirates, a negative association with that body art. After pirates my thoughts turn to the Nazi prison warden who used the skins of tattooed American soldiers for lampshades. Remember her? Brrrr!
I wonder how many other readers have these unpleasant associations?
I wonder how many other readers have these unpleasant associations?
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A well-conditioned human arm, or back, or even ankle is beautiful. Most tats aren't.
Watch what you eat. Stay active.
Even the best art can't stand the comparison to nature. And tats aren't even the best art.
Watch what you eat. Stay active.
Even the best art can't stand the comparison to nature. And tats aren't even the best art.
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Tats do not age well - a toned human body always looks good.
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On the eve of my wife's 30th birthday, as she lamented her waning youth over mimosas, she drew a rabbit on a bar napkin that we subsequently had tattooed on our wrists. It was, at 33 years of age, my first tattoo. My chest and arms are now heavily tattooed. I have an Image of Sisyphus, taken from a piece of black attic pottery. Camus's "The Myth of Sisyphus" was part of the "sermon" portion of our wedding (I wrote a secular ceremony). I have an image of Prometheus, inspired by a Scott Eaton sculpture as arranged on a play bill from the White Bear theater, over my heart. It is, among other things, a reminder to live with passion and purpose and a bit of an homage to tricksters as written about by Lewis Hyde. I have a Valkyrie on my forearm to remind me to raise a daughter that is a chooser of heroes rather being subject to the need for a prince. I don't have tattoos because of a lack of intellect (MS/PhD R&D scientist). I'm a former college athlete who, at 38, has the same mass and body composition as when I was 21. I probably look better than you naked and my tattoos have nothing to do with self-hatred, rebellion or a need for external affirmation. Tattoos are a way to mark time, tell real stories about yourself, and to remind ones self what you hold dear. I'm not sure where the latent antipathy espoused by a number of people on this message board comes from. If you don't like tattoos, don't get one, but don't make unfounded assumptions about me or my motivations.
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eyebliss....don't be sure you look better than people without tattoos. also, when everybody has them, nobody has them.
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Vanity, vanity, thy name is "eye bliss". And good taste doesn't necessarily go with a PhD. Mirror, mirror on the wall, am I the fairest eye bliss of all?
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What I'm wondering eyebliss is why you didn't see fit to tattoo the literary citation to your PhD dissertation somewhere. And then, for those who might not understand the reference, you could have an adjacent tattoo that says "PhD dissertation cite" to clarify. All to "mark time" of your academic accomplishment, a framed diploma is simply insufficient of course, and not out of any "need for external affirmation."
It seems as though this comment thread has gone down the same, unfortunate, path of many internet comment threads. Rather than discuss the article's content and the interesting observations gained from this study many of the readers have made the decision to assign their personal values and beliefs on the actual tattoos and the people who get them. We should all try to take the article at face value.
As someone who has tattoos I found this article very interesting. I work out frequently and never considered the impact it may have on the skin's ability to sweat. I would be interested in reading more on this subject and curious to see where the eventual science leads.
As someone who has tattoos I found this article very interesting. I work out frequently and never considered the impact it may have on the skin's ability to sweat. I would be interested in reading more on this subject and curious to see where the eventual science leads.
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Commenting on something often involves one's opinion about extrapolation of its implications. That's called critical thinking. It's a fine line between sticking to the content of a piece and really thinking about it.
A study does not science make. I wish journalists were better and covering this sort of thing, i.e., scientific studies.
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"Of course, this was a very small study and involved chemically induced perspiration. The men were not exercising to create body heat and sweat. They also were not women or elderly. Dr. Luetkemeier and his students plan to study more expansive groups of volunteers in more real-world situations soon."
From the article.
From the article.
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Funny how this expression of individualism is so common now. At what point does a rebellious trend crossover to being conformist? And the people without ink are the rebles?
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It already crossed over into mainstream some time ago...nothing different, they are conformists....nothing individual or non conformist at all.
Mark and Sandra, spot on! These days, I feel like the rebel without a tattoo.
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Europeans are inking themselves like the end of the world is near. Like I said once, Clean is the new in!
Don't understand people justifying decorating their skin as an art? Enlighten me please!
Or because it's a way to express themselves... I guess there's a lot to say that's being repressed inside of them... Try writing instead! Oh! too much work... boring...
I told my kids... One tattoo and there's no inheritance at all... At all!
Don't understand people justifying decorating their skin as an art? Enlighten me please!
Or because it's a way to express themselves... I guess there's a lot to say that's being repressed inside of them... Try writing instead! Oh! too much work... boring...
I told my kids... One tattoo and there's no inheritance at all... At all!
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I mean...the best advice this tattooed person can give you is pretty cut and dry: Lighten up.
The amount of judgement from folks like you is awfully astounding. I'm pretty thankful to have two parents who love and respect me with or without tattoos. Losing respect for your children because they decided to use their body as canvas? I mean, really? Yikes.
The amount of judgement from folks like you is awfully astounding. I'm pretty thankful to have two parents who love and respect me with or without tattoos. Losing respect for your children because they decided to use their body as canvas? I mean, really? Yikes.
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A tattoo is a not-so-coded message: accept me, I'm one of you, and I'm not one of them.
Uh-huh.
My son in law and my family were in Tokyo recently and he was told by the management of a world class gym that he had to cover up the tattoos on his arms and body or leave the gym. The management told him tattoos in Japan are a sign of criminal gang membership. It was cover the tatts up or leave. Tattoos only seem "cool" in western countries I suppose. Silly stuff, but tattoos are silly looking on our lovely human skin.
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This thread is hilarious. I'm going to get this whole comment thread (as of 12pm ET 8/16/17) tattooed on my back. One lucky winner, drawn at random, will have their comment tattooed on my neck so it will be visible even when my shirt's on. Get your anti-tattoo comments in now if you want to make the cutoff!
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Herd mentality at it worst: tattoos look dirty and disgusting, they deface the body, and the wearers will surely regret them in their old age. Why put foreign chemicals into your body, especially such permanent ones?
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Agree, why would anyone disfigure the beautiful body that nature and our parents gave us?
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It's easy to spot a "non-conformist" because they all look alike
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Which prison group had prominent tattoos in the latest season of orange is the new black? The proto-nazis. How was a main character punished by these lowlifes? With a forced tattoo.
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Not having any tattoos is the new tattoo.
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The study does not include women as part of the test group (par for the course in medical testing it would seem!), but of course that doesn't stop the using of a woman's body to sell the piece.
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When I see someone with a lot of tattoos, I think income taxes are too low.
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I have never understood "body art." People fall in love, and get divorced; but a tattoo is forever. A tattoo is like a smart-alecky bumper sticker (e.g. "Where's the beef, Gary Hart?"), but cars get traded in. It's like a "snappy" tee shirt, but fads fade and tastes change.
I am interested in the psychology of tattoos: why the need for something permanent? why mar a perfect (no birth defects, we don't all have to look like George Clooney or Michele Pfeiffer) body?
Also, if you are planning to work out, one assumes you are careful about what you put into your body. So why do something your body's largest organ considers "abnormal?"
Questions, questions, questions. Can someone suggest a bibliography?
I am interested in the psychology of tattoos: why the need for something permanent? why mar a perfect (no birth defects, we don't all have to look like George Clooney or Michele Pfeiffer) body?
Also, if you are planning to work out, one assumes you are careful about what you put into your body. So why do something your body's largest organ considers "abnormal?"
Questions, questions, questions. Can someone suggest a bibliography?
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Has anyone done a study on the prevalence of tattoos among the <40 generations? Why is it so common among younger generations?
I find their embrace of enduring pain to put permanent symbols and message on their bodies fascinating, albeit bizarre. There must be some powerful psychological motivation, something more than sheepishly following a fad. Has self-decoration through hair, clothing, and jewelry simply become insufficient? Is it so much harder to feel unique in their world that they've upped the ante with body marking (some might say disfigurement)? In a world of incessant change, have tattoos become a symbol of some kind of permanence? Is it simply an addiction to the endorphins released during the painful process (one of my best friends with a couple of tattoos subscribes to this theory)?
I admit I've never seen a tattoo that made me think, "Oh, isn't that pretty or attractive." Instead, I have a similar reaction as when I see someone overly preoccupied with appearance, desperate to be distinctive, perhaps to mask insecurity, such a someone wearing too much makeup. And I think, "Oh, how primitive. I wonder if they realize that tattoos have a history of marking slaves and indentured servants?"
I find their embrace of enduring pain to put permanent symbols and message on their bodies fascinating, albeit bizarre. There must be some powerful psychological motivation, something more than sheepishly following a fad. Has self-decoration through hair, clothing, and jewelry simply become insufficient? Is it so much harder to feel unique in their world that they've upped the ante with body marking (some might say disfigurement)? In a world of incessant change, have tattoos become a symbol of some kind of permanence? Is it simply an addiction to the endorphins released during the painful process (one of my best friends with a couple of tattoos subscribes to this theory)?
I admit I've never seen a tattoo that made me think, "Oh, isn't that pretty or attractive." Instead, I have a similar reaction as when I see someone overly preoccupied with appearance, desperate to be distinctive, perhaps to mask insecurity, such a someone wearing too much makeup. And I think, "Oh, how primitive. I wonder if they realize that tattoos have a history of marking slaves and indentured servants?"
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and sheep and cattle.
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I've pondered many of the same aspects of the desire to decorate one's body so painfully and permanently, but you lost me with that last paragraph. Not sure what you would view as "desperate to be distinctive", but, having grown up in an age of conformity, I think it's wonderful that younger people these days seem to feel more free to express themselves in what they wear, and how they adorn their bodies. And, as one who enjoys playing around with makeup, I'm sooo tired of those who imply that that indicates some kind of psychological disorder.
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and victims of the Holocaust.
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John Irving's novel "Until I find you" describes many characters with extensive tattoos. He writes of them feeling cold all the time, suggesting relative surface vasoconstriction, possibly associated with neuropathic and vascular causes.
Although not previously medically studied, this dysregulation of autonomic function of the skin due to tattoos seems to be a commonly noted phenomenon among the cognoscenti.
Although not previously medically studied, this dysregulation of autonomic function of the skin due to tattoos seems to be a commonly noted phenomenon among the cognoscenti.
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Think what you may about tattoos, but I can tell you from 30 years of policing, and searching people after they are arrested; there isn't a tattoo in the world that looks good on someone over 50. The ink fades, the skin sags and you have to look long and hard to figure out what they are all about at times. So, when that little butterfly turns into a B52, remember, you thought it was cool, then.
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Many of the comments characterize tattoos as gross and ugly or confine tattoo sporting individuals to criminals &drunken idiots. One person even postulated that people were so uncomfortable with their "naked body" they needed to cover it up (thank you Dr. Freud). Always with the negative waves, Moriarty, always with the negative waves.
I'm sure these same commentators go to the beach or the mall and, with wrinkled noses and withering looks, critique everyone who isn't attired according to *their* standards. News flash: the world is a diverse place and, at least for now, full of free will and choices.
There are certainly plenty of poor quality tattoos - but then there's lots of poor quality goods available for purchase regardless of the category. Walmart, fast food, the list is endless - and endlessly consumed.
People often do regret getting inked, but then marriages that were made in heaven often loose their glimmer, too. Ask Cher on both counts!
This study doesn't earn the the space it took to publish it. Yet another filler piece with a promising headline that postulates a great deal and asks more questions than it answers. Please, publish research and wellness articles with some substance. At least then with it becomes so polarizing, it will be over something that matters.
I'm sure these same commentators go to the beach or the mall and, with wrinkled noses and withering looks, critique everyone who isn't attired according to *their* standards. News flash: the world is a diverse place and, at least for now, full of free will and choices.
There are certainly plenty of poor quality tattoos - but then there's lots of poor quality goods available for purchase regardless of the category. Walmart, fast food, the list is endless - and endlessly consumed.
People often do regret getting inked, but then marriages that were made in heaven often loose their glimmer, too. Ask Cher on both counts!
This study doesn't earn the the space it took to publish it. Yet another filler piece with a promising headline that postulates a great deal and asks more questions than it answers. Please, publish research and wellness articles with some substance. At least then with it becomes so polarizing, it will be over something that matters.
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Very well said. Thank you. I have no tattoos, but I view them as a matter of personal style and choice, like clothing. Not a big deal.
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Never understood the desire to decorate the body in such a painful and permanent manner, but yeah, to each his own. However, I found the article interesting, both as an athlete and as one interested in health issues. Especially that description of the body's physiological response to tattooing. Fascinating. Filler piece? Nah.
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I have considered a tattoo to cover a tiny scar. I am glad I decided against it.
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If you've the time Google mis-spelled tattoos online. It's hilarious.
Many years ago, I met a guy who'd the astrological symbol Aquarius on his bicep and the word was spelled wrong. He was unaware of it.
Many years ago, I met a guy who'd the astrological symbol Aquarius on his bicep and the word was spelled wrong. He was unaware of it.
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My favorite is "NO REGERTS". I sure hope so!
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Real story: There was a tattoo parlor in the East Village, NYT, with "tatoo" on their permanent sign. Now that inspires confidence!
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I always loved the billboard near Louisville, KY. "Tattoos while you wait."
Tattoos are gross.
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I was surprised when I moved over here to find that the young ones are sporting a lot of tattoos. I thought they were a bit smarter than that, however many of them like to emulate what goes on in the US for whatever reason.
When a fringe behavior like using your body as a billboard becomes mainstream, it is one of the sure signs that things are degrading fast.
Look for tattoo removal to be one of the better growth industries as these nitwits age and find that marring yourself on a whim is more or less permanent and not quite so adorable at 60.
When a fringe behavior like using your body as a billboard becomes mainstream, it is one of the sure signs that things are degrading fast.
Look for tattoo removal to be one of the better growth industries as these nitwits age and find that marring yourself on a whim is more or less permanent and not quite so adorable at 60.
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Thou shall have no graven image... the Germans made their hideousness more vile by tattooing my ancesters who,knew it was an insult to our God. Now it is an insult to the beauty of the body as tagging is to public space. It is art in Papua New Guinea and for the Maori. But Manhattan is no more their jungle than those distant archipelagos are for the young on concrete. And, for Jewish kids covered in "ink" the smoke of the crematoria rises from your skin - SHAME!
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Tattooing has long been a part of western culture. As a wise woman once said, to each their own.
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A college professor of mine suggested that the original "teffilin" mentioned in the Torah, those "signs upon your hands and between your eyes" might well have been tattoos, as the contemporary Bedouin in the area still do. The professor was a world-renowned scholar who also said that the similarity of tattoo and the Hebrew word "totafot" was a delightful coincidence.
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Im covered in tattoos. I have neck, arm, leg, hand, finger, and back tattoos.
Ive never experienced any problems sweating. Im also not a pro athlete so sweating is less important to me.
I love my tattoos though. I dont see how anyone lives without tattoos! I still got tattoos from when I was 17 that Ill be able to treasure for the rest of my life.
Plus tattoos are so cool and hot, and they give you self esteem! I get compliments all the time, but more importantly they make me feel beautiful and connect me with myself.
Here is my next idea. I just got breast implants and the scars are pretty cool looking. Im going to tattoo zippers on the scars beneath my new breasts. What do you think?!
Ive never experienced any problems sweating. Im also not a pro athlete so sweating is less important to me.
I love my tattoos though. I dont see how anyone lives without tattoos! I still got tattoos from when I was 17 that Ill be able to treasure for the rest of my life.
Plus tattoos are so cool and hot, and they give you self esteem! I get compliments all the time, but more importantly they make me feel beautiful and connect me with myself.
Here is my next idea. I just got breast implants and the scars are pretty cool looking. Im going to tattoo zippers on the scars beneath my new breasts. What do you think?!
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I think you need a different hobby and will regret all of this
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I think there are better paths t self-esteem. How about night school?
Tattoos can be appealing on others. But when my girls were young I told them that any tattoo was OK with me...however, whichever tattoo they got I was going to get the same tattoo in the same spot. YUCK dad!
I can recommend that this approach. They never got any tattoos. As parents we should never underestimate the horrifying yuckiness of our own bodies in our children's eyes. Use your yuck in a positive way.
I can recommend that this approach. They never got any tattoos. As parents we should never underestimate the horrifying yuckiness of our own bodies in our children's eyes. Use your yuck in a positive way.
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Is there an alternative? With the same result.
Yes there is!
I told my two girls their father and I would not leave any inheritance to the one tattooed and/or pierced one... An exception for one earing pierce on each ear... (it's already written on the will).
I told my two girls their father and I would not leave any inheritance to the one tattooed and/or pierced one... An exception for one earing pierce on each ear... (it's already written on the will).
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So this really nice looking and attractive young waitress at Ruby Tuesday's the other night has this extremely large and highly visible Tattoo right on her neck. I'm thinking to myself "Oh my Gosh" she is intentionally making her life an uphill battle, how could she do such a thing. I just don't get it and am frankly a little scared by it. Major drug issues or rape victim, I just don't know.
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I read a long time ago that those who cover their bodies with excessive tattoos will some day be candidates for liver transplants in their senior years because the liver becomes damaged.
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I find tattoos repulsive and can't stand to look at them. It doesn't matter what is depicted. Ditto for piercings--I literally have to avert my eyes. Maybe that's the point (disgust older people) but better to buy a trendy outfit that you can take to Goodwill when you realize it doesn't suit you any more. I still associate them with lowlifes, the group that started to have them. The idea of paying someone other than acupuncturist to put needles in you and scar you permanently, with pain, is revolting.
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Even though the sample size was small (N=10), the results can imply that no only is a tattoo ugly, but also harmful which is basically common sense.
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The best tattoo is no tattoo.
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Fashion is fickle - invest in tattoo removal companies and you'll clean up in 10 years.
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People who don't understand the cultural appeal of tattoos have been saying that for years. Guess what, tattoos are more popular than ever, and the quality of work, especially in a dense place like NYC with lots of top artists, is staggering.
My friend, an art school grad, is a talented tattoo artist. He does such beautiful work that I've been trying for years to convince him to put his designs on t-shirts so that I can sport one!
Not to mention that women with tattoos are a real turn-off.
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Trump will not even show us his tattoo. I understand from people who have seen it, it is as ugly as the man himself.
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I have been in my lifetime on occasion a slave to fashion fads. For example, I did own and wear a nehru jacket and a leisure suit once. I'm so glad that I was able to stop wearing them when that short fashion trend ended and that they weren't permanently attached to my body.
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No, author, I wasn't wondering.
The writers in NYT Well section would do well to understand that this forum ideally gives us scientific data to better our lives. I actually do not care about the personal experiences of Reynolds or Brody... I want the time- honored reporting style that highlights credibility over personal opinion.
The writers in NYT Well section would do well to understand that this forum ideally gives us scientific data to better our lives. I actually do not care about the personal experiences of Reynolds or Brody... I want the time- honored reporting style that highlights credibility over personal opinion.
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The sample size (as noted in the article) is profoundly small. A larger sample size might yield significantly different (or maybe not) results.
This article, while interesting really must be taken in the appropriate context.
This article, while interesting really must be taken in the appropriate context.
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The tattoo probably has little impact to the performance of the athlete; as witnessed by all the professionals who have them and seem to suffer no negative effects. So this article means little to me.
But that said I will say this. I've never understood the desire some folks have for writing on themselves in such indelible fashion. For most it isn't even a matter of tribal affiliation (New Zealand's Maori being an example). It's just a reflection of their current state of mind.
And as we know those states change over time. So no thanks. I will eventually leave this plain of existence, and I will leave behind a much used body no doubt about that. But I will leave it as I was given it, unadorned by such (to me) nonsense.
John~
American Net'Zen
But that said I will say this. I've never understood the desire some folks have for writing on themselves in such indelible fashion. For most it isn't even a matter of tribal affiliation (New Zealand's Maori being an example). It's just a reflection of their current state of mind.
And as we know those states change over time. So no thanks. I will eventually leave this plain of existence, and I will leave behind a much used body no doubt about that. But I will leave it as I was given it, unadorned by such (to me) nonsense.
John~
American Net'Zen
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I have never understood the need people who don't want tattoos for themselves feel to share their dislike, only to punctuate it with gross generalizations and socio-cultural inaccuracies. People who get tattoos, especially people who get more than one, very much understand that it is forever, and they do not have a problem with it. And re the comparison with Maori culture, for one, tattooing does have a long tradition in the west and if you want to learn more about it there is plenty of literature and occasional museum exhibits to consult. Second, sociological speaking, of course tattoos among kids here create tribal associations as well. They are more granular, reflecting a general trend towards many niche subcultures and communities, but these bonds are very real. But if it's all just nonsense to you I doubt I can cure you of your prejudices. To each their own.
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My apologies RM. I did not mean to insult you and yours. Just stating an opinion...not a prejudice per se as I grew up in Japan and so am well versed on the merits, the logic and the philosophy of the 'tat.' It's just not my thing, as I expressed in a fashion not much different from the way in which a tattoo communicates, reflects really, an unprompted opinion of yours/theirs, eh?
But mine can be more easily ignored or erased in accordance with your dictates, and I am quite fine with this distinction. To each their own.
Regards!
John~
American Net'Zen
But mine can be more easily ignored or erased in accordance with your dictates, and I am quite fine with this distinction. To each their own.
Regards!
John~
American Net'Zen
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I have no tattoos and I don't like tattoos. However, I'm not sure what the article is ultimately saying. I like lead photograph, however.
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What we ingest or inject either Promotes life or is doesn't.
Yes, the body recognizes Ink as Abnormal.
When my daughter turned 18 and summarily declared, "Dad, I'm getting a tattoo," I made opportunity to accompany her to a reputable shop.
The owner was well-educated articulate; and clearly recognized why dad was present.
When my not-so-little girl described the tattoo, that she wanted drawn on her hip, he responded, "That's not going look the same in 10 years." He went on to explain that it would take nearly four (4) hours work.
At that point I made opportunity to ask him the approximate cost; and he replied "About $350." I turned to my daughter and said, "I'll give you $400 every year Not to get a tattoo."
As she concludes a fifth year of undergraduate preparation to become a teacher, paying her will continue to be some of the best money I've ever spent.
Yes, the body recognizes Ink as Abnormal.
When my daughter turned 18 and summarily declared, "Dad, I'm getting a tattoo," I made opportunity to accompany her to a reputable shop.
The owner was well-educated articulate; and clearly recognized why dad was present.
When my not-so-little girl described the tattoo, that she wanted drawn on her hip, he responded, "That's not going look the same in 10 years." He went on to explain that it would take nearly four (4) hours work.
At that point I made opportunity to ask him the approximate cost; and he replied "About $350." I turned to my daughter and said, "I'll give you $400 every year Not to get a tattoo."
As she concludes a fifth year of undergraduate preparation to become a teacher, paying her will continue to be some of the best money I've ever spent.
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Lame! Tattoos are awesome and cool. My sister is a teacher too, and shes got tattoos.
Almost every single person I know has tattoos. Im an MIT-educated consultant who makes a solid upper middle class living and I have tattoos on my neck, fingers and hands that havent ever lost me a job.
I would have gotten tats even if my Dad gave me $1000 a year. They are just worth so much more to me than a couple hundred bucks.
Also 4 hours for $350 is too cheap....my artist is one of the best in Colorado and she charges almost $150/hr. I would never skimp on something that is going to be attached to me forever.
Almost every single person I know has tattoos. Im an MIT-educated consultant who makes a solid upper middle class living and I have tattoos on my neck, fingers and hands that havent ever lost me a job.
I would have gotten tats even if my Dad gave me $1000 a year. They are just worth so much more to me than a couple hundred bucks.
Also 4 hours for $350 is too cheap....my artist is one of the best in Colorado and she charges almost $150/hr. I would never skimp on something that is going to be attached to me forever.
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My children are aged 6 and 7, but I'm going to remember this plan
money very well spent!!!
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I have a tattoo that I impulsively had put on myself when I was 20. I wish hadn't done it, but I will at least be believable when I tell my kids to think long and hard before getting a tattoo.
That being said, as a long distance runner it has surely had little to no impact on my performance. Bottom line, just don't tattoo huge portions of your body and you are probably okay sweat wise while doing athletics. Interesting article though.
That being said, as a long distance runner it has surely had little to no impact on my performance. Bottom line, just don't tattoo huge portions of your body and you are probably okay sweat wise while doing athletics. Interesting article though.
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Not too mention how unsightly they are. Let's hope this fad dies a quick death.
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And take skateboards with it. Worst fad ever.
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Skateboarding has been around for about 70 years. Hardly a fad.
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Haha I dont think it will ever go away. Plus once you get one, you become an addict forever because they are so awesome.
I have so many tattoos that I cant count them anymore. Its just one huge tattoo covering a lot of my body.
I love it when people say, "But what will it look like when you are old?!" To this I reply, Who cares what it looks like when Im old? By then Ill be old and not worry about what I look like. If anything it will make me look cooler than other old people.
Unsightly? I have a hummingbird flying up my hand to drink out of a columbine on my wrist...I think that is about as far from unsightly as I can imagine.
I have so many tattoos that I cant count them anymore. Its just one huge tattoo covering a lot of my body.
I love it when people say, "But what will it look like when you are old?!" To this I reply, Who cares what it looks like when Im old? By then Ill be old and not worry about what I look like. If anything it will make me look cooler than other old people.
Unsightly? I have a hummingbird flying up my hand to drink out of a columbine on my wrist...I think that is about as far from unsightly as I can imagine.
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Bottom line, after reading the whole thing: It doesn't appear to be significant. Why not wait until there is something significant to report, or at least give the ho-hum punch line at the top?
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Because it is interesting.
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I have a serious issue with one of the points that the author makes about the ink from a fresh tattoo being "absorbed" into the lymphnodes. That's not true, particularly if we're talking about black ink, which will most likely be composed of a nano particle that will bypass the filtering system of the lymph nodes. The real story that no one is talking about here (and that the FDA has failed the American public on) is the potential carcinogenic effects of pumping tattoo ink into your body. We need more scientists working on this because we just don't know enough about the effects of getting ink done.
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Really? Ask the tattooed woman who needed her axillary lymph nodes sampled for breast cancer staging. The pathology was confusing because of the tattoo ink living in the nodes long after the tattoo was placed. A foreign body does not belong in our bodies. Cancer messes up our bodies plenty on its own. Why amplify it by our own choosing? Like they say about chocolate..."A moment on the lips, forever on the ......"
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As a person who has had skin cancer, I would not go near a tatoo with a 10 foot tatoo needle (see what I did there? ) Mine was melanoma... a potential deadly form. Would I have noticed it covered in "ink". Maybe not. The doc said I would have been dead in 6 months if I didn't have it removed. No tatoos for me .
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I'm so sick of seeing so many trashy tattoos; most look awful and I still associate them with drunken sailors or convicts.
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And carnies.
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So glad you're sharing your feelings about it with the rest of the untermensch.
Double cappuccino. Easy on the milk.
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This is an interesting article, but I think more studies need to be done to have more definite results. From strictly a viewing standpoint (as a person who watches professional soccer religiously), I have never noticed any difference in performance between athletes that have tattoos and those that don't. www.orcuttfamilydentistry.com
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Was there ever a study on correlation between tattoos and IQ?
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Not that I'm aware of, but perhaps there should be a study on correlation between IQ and public displays of ignorance.
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All the doctors with tattoos that I know (including myself) would probably say no.
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Well, smart awesome people get tattoos. I went to MIT and Ive never tested my IQ (thats such a 1950s thing to do, who gets their IQ tested nowadays?), but I imagine its pretty high considering I aced both the SAT and ACT and built a successful consulting business after I got my degree.
I am also covered in tattoos. I have so many that its really just one big tattoo. Im covered in ink, yet Im also an educated small business owner who makes an upper middle class living..
So no, tattooed people are not all idiots.
I am also covered in tattoos. I have so many that its really just one big tattoo. Im covered in ink, yet Im also an educated small business owner who makes an upper middle class living..
So no, tattooed people are not all idiots.
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Why are medical studies, such as this, still done with only male participants? Seems like an incomplete study if there are no women in the groups.
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Maybe because it's much harder to find a bunch of tat'ed women?
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@S. Talarico
A researcher has to make a decision--at the start--whether to study males or females (to reduce the number of variables). In this case, it's obviously easier to find men to the study (football and basketball players) than women.
A researcher has to make a decision--at the start--whether to study males or females (to reduce the number of variables). In this case, it's obviously easier to find men to the study (football and basketball players) than women.
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I recommended Talarico's comment because it is very significant and in the last 3 years, the US National Institutes of Health have been increasing their requirements that researchers give a good justification for why they did not include males or females in their study. It's actually not hard to find women athletes who are tattooed -- just advertise in any gym for example -- so that is not a good excuse. This study was likely done a few years ago - studies usually take a while to publish -- so requirements may not have been as strict but going forward, all federally-funded studies have to recruit patients who reflect the population. After all, women pay taxes too.
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I cannot help but think that when these tattooed individuals reach their golden years and when their skin begins to become thin, frail, discolored and bruises and bleeds easily, it's not a pretty sight. Nature will show them this perverted skin that they inflicted upon themselves.
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I have saying this ever since tattoos started to go mainstream away from sailors and bikers. I could not agree more. I have seen many older folks,with tattoos that looked fine in pictures of their younger selves, but Lord, you should see these tattoos now. It's not pretty. In the future there will be many seniors with regrets.
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I saw a documentary about research on cadavers with tattoos. All their limph nodes were blackened with ink.
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I have a large tattoo on my right shoulder and arm. Flowers, bees, and honeycomb. I had it done when I was 46 years old and not only do I not regret it, I wish I had done it sooner.
I have had the most amazing conversations with strangers who approach me about the tattoo. Topics ranging from flowers, bees, honeycomb and tattoos (of course) to the power of color, permanence, pain, personal choices, self-expression, art, the body as a canvas, the tattoo as an invitation to conversation and so much more.
Several of these strangers became friends.
While there might be some risks to tattoos, I am not going to sweat it ;P
I have had the most amazing conversations with strangers who approach me about the tattoo. Topics ranging from flowers, bees, honeycomb and tattoos (of course) to the power of color, permanence, pain, personal choices, self-expression, art, the body as a canvas, the tattoo as an invitation to conversation and so much more.
Several of these strangers became friends.
While there might be some risks to tattoos, I am not going to sweat it ;P
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On the other hand, if you ran into me, I wouldn't even be able to look at you, and you have dismissed the countless others who feel the same. A T-shirt with a thought-provoking quotation would be far more interesting and you could take it off at night.
While a tattoo can be injurious, in the long run, to your health, the best argument I can make against them is that most of them, by far, are disgusting.
Certainly, this is my personal opinion, and I rarely give it to people with tattoos, feeling that, if they wish to desecrate their otherwise beautiful body with trash, that is their prerogative.
Nevertheless, most tattoos are quite disgusting, and I have no personal relations with anyone who sports one.
Certainly, this is my personal opinion, and I rarely give it to people with tattoos, feeling that, if they wish to desecrate their otherwise beautiful body with trash, that is their prerogative.
Nevertheless, most tattoos are quite disgusting, and I have no personal relations with anyone who sports one.
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Well that certainly settles that. Some of us may find your kind of ignorance disgusting, and honestly I would have no personal relations with anyone who displays this kind of ignorance. Some might also have the opinion Tom, that if your non-desecrated body doesn't look like a young Adonis it falls under disgusting. Should we presume you are physically perfect/
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Another story with a catchy headline about a small study with no impact on real world training.
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I gather that you have a tattoo (or tattoos) and are feeling a little defensive about it. I don't blame you.
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Uh, no steve, it doesn't have any real impact. Read the study. And no I don't have any tattoos.
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I find it interesting also odd that tattoos became popular worldwide at just about the same time young people were also defacing their living spaces with graffiti and having their tongues pierced. There must be some nihilist, self-destructive connection.
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Funny in that I'm currently visiting Montreal and was somewhat amazed at the number of walls sporting impressive grafitti style art (much of which resembles higher quality tattoos).
Personally I'm not sure why people get so worked up about other people's choices. They aren't on on your lawn.
Personally I'm not sure why people get so worked up about other people's choices. They aren't on on your lawn.
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No Riccardo. Tattoos became more obvious to your about the same time you became more aware of what you believed were increased events of "young people were also defacing their living spaces with graffiti and having their tongues pierced."
There is a difference, hence your confusion and distortion of civilizations and their cultural histories.
There is a difference, hence your confusion and distortion of civilizations and their cultural histories.
This study will be one of many conducted over the next 20 years or so, that will conclusively prove that large scale tattooing is hazardous to health. I don't mean a little rose, or a child's name, or the proverbial Marine Corp insignia on a forearm. I mean entire shoulders, legs, backs, etc. Re-visit this column in 20 years and I expect to see a discussion of incurable skin cancers and lymphomas. This is not much different from the cancers caused by leaking breast implants, except that the leaks were due to product defects. The tattoo ink, as described in the article, migrates into the skin and lymph system as an inherent aspect of the procedure. Chronic inflammation has been postulated (and may well be proven) to be an underlying cause of many diseases. Massive tattooing is like smoking. People, why are you doing this to yourselves?
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What about all the chemicals we eat and breath? What about the microscopic particles from tires drifting into the fields where our food is grown? I think that should be a bigger concern.
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Toning your body after vandalizing it with those ugly drawings? How absurd is that?!!!
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Tattoos can extend your workout because in many cases these dumb tattoos will prevent you from getting a job thereby freeing you up to exercise more.
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Hey, man, no sweat!
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Could be worse, could block the pores completely. Most tattoos are small and in discreet places, where major sweat glands wouldn't be anyway IMO.
I'd be interested in the results of the larger study. So many small tests already in Gretchen's columns that have presaged another study to come. Hope some come soon.
I'd be interested in the results of the larger study. So many small tests already in Gretchen's columns that have presaged another study to come. Hope some come soon.
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She should wait for the larger ones instead of wasting our time.
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I worked with a woman who was tattooed and who, when she had business meetings, would cover them up. See? She knew that there was something inherently wrong with them.
You're just not going to get hired by some employers if you're tattooed unless the job you want is prime minister of Canada.
You're just not going to get hired by some employers if you're tattooed unless the job you want is prime minister of Canada.
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Or she was acknowledging, wisely and maturely, that each social and business setting has a dress code.
Would shorts (or a bathing suit) have been acceptable at that same meeting? Does that mean there is "something inherently wrong" with those articles of clothing?
As to not getting hired if you have tattoos....OK, fine. I don't hire smokers for my business. Yes, it's against the law but fortunately smokers are easy to detect and finding other reasons to pass them over is easy. Same with tattoos. If it doesn't fit your business model, would potentially offend your customers or you, then don't hire them.
Truth is, there are plenty of businesses that don't care a whit about a tattooed employee.
All of our actions and decisions have consequences. Taking responsibility for those actions and decisions what matters.
Would shorts (or a bathing suit) have been acceptable at that same meeting? Does that mean there is "something inherently wrong" with those articles of clothing?
As to not getting hired if you have tattoos....OK, fine. I don't hire smokers for my business. Yes, it's against the law but fortunately smokers are easy to detect and finding other reasons to pass them over is easy. Same with tattoos. If it doesn't fit your business model, would potentially offend your customers or you, then don't hire them.
Truth is, there are plenty of businesses that don't care a whit about a tattooed employee.
All of our actions and decisions have consequences. Taking responsibility for those actions and decisions what matters.
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Tattoos can be gorgeous, but about 90 percent of the ones that I've seen are inartistic and plug ugly. I imagine that in two or three generations the average young person will think that tattoos are gross things that boring old people have. Two groups that have a love of tattoos in common: Millennials and Aryan prison gangs.
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My parents tried to instill within me a deep revulsion for Tattoos. Having said that now I am in 50s, even though a tattoo for myself isn't going to happen. I have moderated in my own views... Basically if you are not comfortable with the idea of a Tattoo don't get one, but try not to pass judgement upon those with tattoos. If you are comfortable; please be careful about the subject and it's location on your body. I might also add make sure you visit a clean and reputable establishment.
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Don't mess with the natural body; you invite disaster, or at least unintended consequences.
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You are over-analyzing. Humans have decorated their furless bodies since the beginning of human existence.
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As long as the dyes you're decorating yourself with are non-toxic, it probably won't matter. Tribes have long marked themselves out with symbols of declaration, but then, those tribes didn't necessarily live past 50. I doubt I will live long enough to witness the mass of tattooed flesh pulled inexorably by gravity into unintended shapes, but perhaps your generation will find new meaning in your new configurations, just like astronomers have had to accustom themselves to movement of constellations over time.
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But mostly not by injection of ink. This does get into skins.
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You're one of many people to say so, but where did you learn this? So far as I know tattoos came from tribes on South Pacific Islands. They were discovered by sailors, made it to Europe in the 19th century and until very recently were limited to sailors and criminals (and for a short while, when they were still very expensive and new in Europe, with aristocrats). Besides, what's the relevance. You like them, go ahead. It's a free country even if it weren't no one cares much buy you, which makes sense because it's your body. Do what you want.
What do they have to hide? How afraid are they to actually be naked and vulnerable, to see themselves, that they cover their bodies with these permanent markings?
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God forbid that some people choose to express themselves through body art, something that has been done for nearly as long as civilization has existed. Why are you so concerned with what others decide to do with their bodies, especially when such actions have no impact upon you at all?
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Actually, if something you do causes disease or need for healthcare, it impacts us all. Think of the impact that cigarette related health problems have impacted our healthcare system and costs. Think of it as preventable trickle-down economics in healthcare cost increases.
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Actually it doesn't, and I would speculate my 65 year-old disease-free tattooed body is as healthy or even healthier than yours.
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I found this article very interesting and quite informative. I workout daily and go through intense training which always leaves me trenched. I've also been very fond of tattoos and would like getting one or more in the near future. Now I don't plan on inking up my whole body but it is good to know that leaving a permanent image isn't the only thing that changes in your body. I was shocked that the studies showed areas that are tattooed sweat only half as much as the in altered areas. If someone is heavily tattooed and they endure sweaty time periods throughout the day then that can cause some health issues. I would recommend this article to anyone considering a tattoo.
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So the dissipation of sodium was the same?
It seems you could do a more authentic study in a sauna,
And it would be within the range of anyone with a sauna, pads and a scale.
It seems you could do a more authentic study in a sauna,
And it would be within the range of anyone with a sauna, pads and a scale.
As Jimmy Buffett says so nicely"A permanent reminder of a temporary feeling an amnesic episode that never goes away" Unprofessional. With age they just start to look gross. Kinda of like the one that over an arrow said "pay before you enter"
Lets gild a rose
Lets gild a rose
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62 yrs. old and finally got a pair of tats last year: triathlon swim/bike/run and aviator wings! Going to get "Spirit of '76" on the other shoulder one of these days -- the year I graduated from college. 1976 -- not 17 or 18. I'm old but not that old, LOL!
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I often get asked to speak at career days for young women thinking about STEM fields, and the subject of visible tattoos almost always comes up. I have a tattoo on my back, that I got at 38 (I'm over 55 now), and I'd thought about it for 20 years before doing it. My advice to youth is: Think long and hard. A tattoo is forever: what was cool to you 7 or 10 years ago? Disney Princesses, Sponge Bob? Would you want that visible now? If you're doing it to be unique or special, put it where only those who deserve to see it can see it. Clients, supervisors, financers may not want to see it. And, always, I mention issues like Hep C and other infections. The sweat/immune response is another thing to add to the discussion. Thank you!
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There is data on just about everything. What are the numbers on the % of people who get tattoos as young people only to regret them at 50 or 60 years old. I find it particularly troubling to see a young woman with beautifully shaped legs covered by tattoos. What a waste.
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I find it particularly troubling that you are so concerned with what perfect strangers choose to do with their "beautifully shaped legs." Ick.
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If they tattoo their legs they are asking you to look at them.
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Hmmm, and if their legs are uncovered but not tattooed is that also an invitation to look at them? A short skirt? A bathing suit? Where do you draw the line between creep and curious?
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I'm an older (near 60) live and let live guy who, after a period of adjustment, believe that tattoos can be both stunningly gorgeous and abjectly ridiculous. While I would not allow my 15 YO twins to get tattoos at this age, down the road I will have no problem if either or both does so with thought and some level of moderation. For me, life is short; I have one particular athletic goal that, if achieved, I will reward and remind myself of that success with visible, though somewhat discrete ink. Interestingly enough, my kids have pushed back, saying "Dad, don't do that!"
We shall see . . .
We shall see . . .
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Examining the effect on perspiration should be just the beginning. It would be interesting to know whether the inks and trauma of tattooing have any effect on the lymph system and whether it's transitory or, as suggested by this article, permanent.
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In regards to this study, is there any proof of the tattoo dye being a factor in sweating? I've had laser hair removal, which also appears to damage skin tissue, and have suspected it has changed my sweat glands.
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I've read through many of the comments. Here are two takeaways:
One:
People who get tattoos love their tattoos and don't care if other people hate them.
Two:
Even in a changing world that generally stigmatizes tattooing less than in past generations, a significant percentage of people in our society are repulsed by tattoos and automatically judge those who have them very negatively.
One:
People who get tattoos love their tattoos and don't care if other people hate them.
Two:
Even in a changing world that generally stigmatizes tattooing less than in past generations, a significant percentage of people in our society are repulsed by tattoos and automatically judge those who have them very negatively.
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Tattooed friends in Japan can't go to resorts w/pools. They DON'T want to go where the tats fit in. You make your choices and then your options change. Sorry, kid. We thought you knew...no one can tell you everything.
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I think that they're ugly. I also do wonder about the tattood person's failure to recognize the risk that their tastes (and fashion) may change over time. There are very few articles of clothing that I like wearing for more than a few years.
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If you want to see a tattoo parade go to any crowded beach this summer.
It's highly entertaining, as if the circus is in town.
It's highly entertaining, as if the circus is in town.
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But its not the tats that is circus-like and perversely entertaining (and I use that term with reservation) ...its the bodies themselves on parade. Most of them should not be nearly naked tat'd or not! Its more a freak show exposing American gluttony, then a circus with animal tricks and acrobats.
Somethings can't be unseen...
Somethings can't be unseen...
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Most of the tattoos are as poorly done as the people who wear them. If you can't afford the very best, don't do it. If you don't know/can't tell the difference you're probably immune to other people's perspectives, as well. Just don't expect too much acceptance for your efforts to "just be you." When I turn my head, "you" disappear. Simple.
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Tattooing is getting to be almost universal among all classes and age groups in Western Europe. Kind of like dying their hair colors not found in nature – – it just doesn't shock there anymore at all. On my last trip, I realized that even people my age (early 50s) and class (upper-middle-class professional) are decorating themselves permanently.
For years, I hosted such pairs from Europe. On their applications, the young people had to indicate whether they had tattoos, and if so, they had to submit photographs showing any tattoos visible when in summer clothing. A significant number of American families, apparently, do not want to host au pairs with significant visible tattooing. Of my approximately 10 au pairs, I accepted only one with tattooing, toward the end of the run. By that time, I was no longer scandalized by a visible tattoo.
Societal norms change, and we need to adapt if we want to remain comfortably adjusted to the world around us. I'm hoping to stave off curmudgeonhood for aas long as possible.
For years, I hosted such pairs from Europe. On their applications, the young people had to indicate whether they had tattoos, and if so, they had to submit photographs showing any tattoos visible when in summer clothing. A significant number of American families, apparently, do not want to host au pairs with significant visible tattooing. Of my approximately 10 au pairs, I accepted only one with tattooing, toward the end of the run. By that time, I was no longer scandalized by a visible tattoo.
Societal norms change, and we need to adapt if we want to remain comfortably adjusted to the world around us. I'm hoping to stave off curmudgeonhood for aas long as possible.
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Do you know the only difference between a tattooed person and a non-tattooed person?
The tattooed person doesn't care if another is tattooed or not.
The tattooed person doesn't care if another is tattooed or not.
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I am not tattooed, but I really don't care if others are. Many of the friends of my (young adult) kids have tattoos. So what?
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"The tattooed person doesn't care if another is tattooed or not."
How may none-tattooed people are featured in the tat-mags, then?
You are clearly in denial. Well, first, the mags all feature tats that are better than yours. No judgment, right? Tat-status is all about being equal...
How may none-tattooed people are featured in the tat-mags, then?
You are clearly in denial. Well, first, the mags all feature tats that are better than yours. No judgment, right? Tat-status is all about being equal...
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How did this turn into a referendum on tattoos?
(Sure there isnt much to comment on here, and Im wondering why this article even has a comments section, while more important topics rarely do...whats up with that NYT editors?)
Come on people, get over it...IF you don't like them, don't get 'em. If you do like them...get one, or a 100.
To the anti-tattoo group. Wanna make a bet you do something others would deem weird and just plain stupid? (if not you're boring!)
(Sure there isnt much to comment on here, and Im wondering why this article even has a comments section, while more important topics rarely do...whats up with that NYT editors?)
Come on people, get over it...IF you don't like them, don't get 'em. If you do like them...get one, or a 100.
To the anti-tattoo group. Wanna make a bet you do something others would deem weird and just plain stupid? (if not you're boring!)
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"To the anti-tattoo group. Wanna make a bet you do something others would deem weird and just plain stupid? (if not you're boring!)"-Boregard
How did this turn into a referendum on tat-haters? It's an ineluctable modality of the visible thing. Once seen it really doesn't matter if you're sweat-blocked or not to your random viewing victim. Dystopic, imaginary, inner graphic dialogues are like sweat block algorithms. Everything is fine, until it isn't.
How did this turn into a referendum on tat-haters? It's an ineluctable modality of the visible thing. Once seen it really doesn't matter if you're sweat-blocked or not to your random viewing victim. Dystopic, imaginary, inner graphic dialogues are like sweat block algorithms. Everything is fine, until it isn't.
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Sounds like these comments are getting under your skin. heh heh.
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While it is a personal choice and I respect that, it really looks unattractive to me...as though someone graffittied or scribbled on the body. Most tattoos turn a bluish or dusky color resembling unoxgenated blood. The human body is an amazing creation just as it is. I do realize it is human nature to adorn it...duck lipped woman in Africa, piercings, etc. but leaving it be and keeping it clean and healthy always seemed the best adornment to me.
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"Having a better idea" is pretty much responsible for our species being in the mess it's in. Factory farms, toxic waste, carbon dumping, tattoos: we leave our mark, shrivel and die.
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You really do not understand the species, how it has evolved and why it does what it does. You don't need to. However, if you're going to make assertions about what is and isn't you need to have more evidence than just a myopic world-view based on some remnants of Puritan doctrine.
How do you know "Most tattoos turn a bluish or dusky color"? Have you done an extensive scientific study over a long enough time span to make such a judgement, or is this your opinion on what you have personally witnessed, which may not represent very much at all. My advice is don't offer yours, and whatever you do don't get a tattoo.
How do you know "Most tattoos turn a bluish or dusky color"? Have you done an extensive scientific study over a long enough time span to make such a judgement, or is this your opinion on what you have personally witnessed, which may not represent very much at all. My advice is don't offer yours, and whatever you do don't get a tattoo.
If tattooing affects the body in this way, I am surprised it has not been studied as a potential treatment for individuals who sweat excessively. There's often an upside to discoveries like this.
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Are you ready to divert your tax dollars to full-body tattoo parlors?
Just wait until the tatoo population reaches deep into middle and after age, like 50 plus. That saggy skin is not going to look so great all tatooed. Nor on the obese. Hopefully the next generation will abhor their parents tattoos. Will this fad finally come to an end? Besides being a terrible waste of money it is permanently ugly.
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"That saggy skin is not going to look so great all tatooed. Nor on the obese."
Just spray it orange.
Just spray it orange.
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Yea, because when I am old and broken down and its hard to ever get around anymore the thing I am really going to be concerned about is that I have all these tattoos that remind me of the good times.
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sheesh, you fuddy-duddies sure came out for this one, eh?
Hope your hot takes keep you warm...
Hope your hot takes keep you warm...
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Would you tattoo a flower? A sky? A flower? Heck, even your cat? If the answer is no then WE know that the reason behind tattooing a body is to first demote it from its original appeal: a sensuous, breathing, warm and minutely detailed piece of art to something no less than a canvass to be covered with what we think is superior. Your small finger is a marvel more capable of arousing wonder and awe than a Mona Lisa. There is a reason the girls and women are most susceptible to being painted -- marked, hennaed, and covered in blushes and lipstick: we men have devalued women and their sexual unfolding, especially menstruation as dirty and therefore the female of the species that it's no wonder they start fretting about looking pretty enough from day one on earth.
We have lost the art of appreciating the human body and so subconsciously, we keep tinkering with it in our hopeless and crude attempts to extinguish the lost yearning we all have for the touch and spell of a fully formed ravishingly alive human body.
Until then, there will be more breast transplants and more tattoos vying for the attention from the other. Until then we'll have 50% more depression among women than in men.
We have lost the art of appreciating the human body and so subconsciously, we keep tinkering with it in our hopeless and crude attempts to extinguish the lost yearning we all have for the touch and spell of a fully formed ravishingly alive human body.
Until then, there will be more breast transplants and more tattoos vying for the attention from the other. Until then we'll have 50% more depression among women than in men.
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A 2012 psychologic study showed that "personality differences between tattooed and non-tattooed individuals were generally small although those with tattoos tended to be more extroverted and display a greater need for uniqueness." Sort of fits with the superficiality of the "bling generation".
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Thanks for the mansplaination.
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"...a sensuous, breathing, warm and minutely detailed piece of art to something no less than a canvass to be covered with what we think is superior."
The body isn't "art." That's the reason for tattoos. Art is the process of seeking to create an intersubjective reality on top of the biochemical algorithms which actually represent reality. Theism/teleological consensus is a brain tattoo in the same way. Some should read more Harari/Homo Deus. it would save a fortune in tats and removals.
The body isn't "art." That's the reason for tattoos. Art is the process of seeking to create an intersubjective reality on top of the biochemical algorithms which actually represent reality. Theism/teleological consensus is a brain tattoo in the same way. Some should read more Harari/Homo Deus. it would save a fortune in tats and removals.
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This research could be a major breakthrough for people with hyperhidrosis. If this is true, imagine having areas of the skin (for me, the soles of my feet are the worst, followed by the palms of my hands) tattooed with colorless ink in order to reduce sweating in those areas.
Having hyperhidrosis is mortifying and uncomfortable, and even a partial decrease in the volume of sweat produced would be literally life-changing.
Having hyperhidrosis is mortifying and uncomfortable, and even a partial decrease in the volume of sweat produced would be literally life-changing.
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Wow. The comments on this article have given me pause. Why do so many readers care about another's decision concerning her own body? And why are so many of these comments ridiculously gendered? ("Tattoos look ugly on brides." "The only thing more ridiculous than some big brawny guy with tats is a beautiful young woman who looks like she just escaped a Biker convention.") Reading these comments is like stepping into Mad Men. If you don't like tattoos, don't get one.
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Like heroin addiction, tattooing is not just for society's disadvantaged anymore.
O Brave New World that has such people in it.
O Brave New World that has such people in it.
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Very strange the number of commenters who believe something along the lines of "everyone with tatoos is X and Y". The reasons people get tattoos are numberless like the sands of the sea, and you can't tell anything more about someone's character by whether they have a tattoo than you can by his skin color. I really thought better of the reasoning ability of NYT readers before I read some of these comments.
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These articles and the comments are so interesting. Same with the marijuana articles (which for the record I do believe should be legally available minus THC products that attract children). So the comment boards of this paper abhor non organic food, animal products at times, fur, artificial colors and flavors in food, trans fats, sugar and other dietary no nos. And god forbid smoking. And of course one should limit those over the counter pain relievers. But tattoos are great - ink of unknown origins injected into the body. And injected all over is true art. And pot smoked into the lungs is a-ok. So is recreational marijuana without bounds (so many comments supporting daily use) despite very few studies on the effects of long term use of this drug on the mind or body. The hypocrisy and lack of self reflection here is fascinating. Maybe these are not the same people - are the tattooed people also vegan pot smokers or perhaps not? I remember an episode of House where he basically told the tattooed wannabe doctor - you are not unique or original, you are a conformist.
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I've been reading the New York Times for decades, and I've been contributing comments and reading the comment boards for a few years. It is news to me that I am part of a monolithic group. You seem to be focusing only on those comments you find personally irritating for some reason.
It's best to replace lazy stereotyping with nuanced thinking.
It's best to replace lazy stereotyping with nuanced thinking.
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That's why it's called Comments: "a remark expressing an opinion or reaction".
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I have three tiny tattoos from 2005 that I never wanted, a spot in the middle of the pubes and one on either hip to orient radiation beams. Only my wife and doctors have seen them.
There is no better adornment for the body than solid muscle, and, at age 80, I am living proof. There is also no need for facial hair to look macho.
There is no better adornment for the body than solid muscle, and, at age 80, I am living proof. There is also no need for facial hair to look macho.
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And boasting about how muscled-up you are...now thats so Bro'!
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Did she have hair tattooed into her armpits, too?
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My thoughts go to a beautiful young woman in her 20s I know of, who works as a photographer's model for many purposes (not porn, as far as I know). Her arms, legs, and torso are covered with mid-sized individual tattoos. Most are cutesy, like a pink rat crawling up her upper arm. Successful as she is, I wonder about how many jobs she has lost because of them. She is so pretty and model-body-perfect, I'm sure she is in demand just for that. But if a fashion client doesn't want their clothing, or whatever, associated with a person with tattoos, then that model loses because attention is drawn to the tattoo, not to the fashion item. Some posts here, by the tattooed, say that 'they got tattooed for themselves.' Fine. But if you ever step out in public with them showing, you will be judged by others.
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Judged by some....not you of course...
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So many people have tattoos that it now seems edgy and different to be completely untattooed. I am now seeing a lot of women with tattoos on their neck, upper chest and face. What is that about? I suppose I am an old fogy because I can recall a time when women did not get tattoos.
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Perhaps you also may recall a time when women were not able to own property or vote.
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There was also a time when women did not vote. Times change.
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Guys, she already said that she may be an "old fogey," so why attack her? She's just sharing her own personal feeling. Second point: there is really no analogy between having the right to vote and having the impulse to permanently decorate one's skin.
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As scientists research more about tattoos,I wonder if scientists will find that this "ink", a foreign substance in the body triggers cancer and/or other life threatening illnesses?
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All scientists need to do is talk to ancient tribes the so called primitive who learned to master nature by living respectfully with Her. These ancients were no fools. Tattooing is an art form and a traditional expression of beauty in all kinds of cultures. "Western scientists" need only talk to, study and research already existing tattooing styles prevalent in traditional societies worldwide where they are not fads but part of lifestyle. Start with our own Hawaiian and Native American tribes...
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@Petey tonei: I'm not so sure we can gather all of the information we need from looking to "ancient tribes." The methods and materials used were different from those of the modern day, and people now live longer, giving more opportunity for cancer to develop from foreign matter in one's body.
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I've been watching the tattoo craze for years. And even when I had a student beg me to let her husband (a tattoo artist) give me one free, I said no way. I prefer to be different and not have one. I think it's a slippery slope, and once people get one, it's over.
A temporary tattoo is the maximum committment I can do and there are never any regrets.
A temporary tattoo is the maximum committment I can do and there are never any regrets.
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Do tattoos age better now than in the past? My first husband got tattoos while in the navy, in his late teens - early 20s. Fast forward almost 40 years, and they had "bled" so much they were unrecognizable as art, and just looked like huge ugly dark bruises or a weird skin disease.
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Yes, both the ink and the delivery system are significantly better now than in years past.
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How would anyone know? If the ink was invented in the past 10 years, you're just trusting the manufacturer, no?
Interesting. How about the study of how many people get tattoos that cover more than half of one percent of their skin surface area? Then a follow up study that determines what proportion of this already tiny proportion are athletes? Then a follow up study that asks of these athletes, how many have real-world consequences for their athletic performance (eg professionals)? We're getting down to like, Allan Iverson. My advice, don't sweat it.
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Odd but I recall a study a few years back tracking respiration (not perspiration) (end tidal Co2) in pre and post tattooed individuals/athletes.
There were signs that (lower serum Ph,) there was a loss of efficiency and metabolic potential.
It strikes me that PRO sports teams should prohibit the addition of any tattoos by the individuals they employ. they are paying for peak performance, the tattoos, (anecdotally at this point) seem to be potentially affecting performance, recovery and possibly recovery.
Folks there is no free lunch, you scar an organ, you will alter its behavior.
There were signs that (lower serum Ph,) there was a loss of efficiency and metabolic potential.
It strikes me that PRO sports teams should prohibit the addition of any tattoos by the individuals they employ. they are paying for peak performance, the tattoos, (anecdotally at this point) seem to be potentially affecting performance, recovery and possibly recovery.
Folks there is no free lunch, you scar an organ, you will alter its behavior.
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Nope. You are wrong. I've run for 53 years, had tattoos in my 60s, no effect whatsoever. You are explaining a personal bias, not FACT.
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The comments here are far more interesting than the article or the study. I've had a bit of one arm and most of the other tattooed for most of my adult life, and exercise religiously. I've never noticed any difference in how I sweat, and the article seems to suggest that whatever impact my tattoos have on that is minimal.
As to the comments - in addition to being a fitness nut I'm an executive in a relatively conservative industry where I have a six figure salary and manage a multi million dollar budget and over 20 staff. My tattoos are exposed every day at work (unless it's cold). Maybe they've impacted some of my career opportunities, but I'm doing quite well, and that's a price I've chosen to pay. If they impact my day-to-day work life, it's only in that occasionally someone that doesn't know me goes into a negotiation or contentious conversation assuming I'm a dumb thug. Frequently they learn too late that I'm neither, and nobody makes that mistake twice.
I didn't get my ink to accrue the advantage of being underestimated in a business conflict, but I'll take it.
As to the comments - in addition to being a fitness nut I'm an executive in a relatively conservative industry where I have a six figure salary and manage a multi million dollar budget and over 20 staff. My tattoos are exposed every day at work (unless it's cold). Maybe they've impacted some of my career opportunities, but I'm doing quite well, and that's a price I've chosen to pay. If they impact my day-to-day work life, it's only in that occasionally someone that doesn't know me goes into a negotiation or contentious conversation assuming I'm a dumb thug. Frequently they learn too late that I'm neither, and nobody makes that mistake twice.
I didn't get my ink to accrue the advantage of being underestimated in a business conflict, but I'll take it.
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Thank you. Well said.
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Thank you! I'm a college professor and a professional theatre designer. I am well respected by colleagues and students, I present my research internationally, and I continue to be hired for consulting work due to my reputation for excellence and hard work. I also am a prominent member of my community, mother of three, and town council member. Both of my arms are completely covered in ink, which I don't make any effort to hide. I only get positive comments, from my students through elders in my community. Perhaps I'm being silently judged by some, but I agree that being underestimated can be devastatingly used to one's advantage!
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Great to hear, Kristin. The only female mechanic at my auto dealership was tatted head to toe and she was beautiful AND smart and a mother. Alas, she moved onto a better job.
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In the area of individual freedoms, just do what you feel is right. But be aware that you'll deal with the consequences including the reactions of those that don't appreciate your 'body art'. Like anything else that's different, not everybody is so appreciative of your self expression. And sadly in the working world, self-expression is discouraged.
I cringe to think one day there will be lawsuits against employers or other businesses for discriminating against those with visible tatoos or piercings.
While it doesn't affect your ability to pour a cup of coffee or work as a teller. It does send a message about the institution that hired you. Personally, I'm not too keen in dealing with lawyers, CPAs, financial professionals who have a nose/cheek/lip rings on their person at this time. Nothing personal, I'm just 'old fashioned' that way.
I cringe to think one day there will be lawsuits against employers or other businesses for discriminating against those with visible tatoos or piercings.
While it doesn't affect your ability to pour a cup of coffee or work as a teller. It does send a message about the institution that hired you. Personally, I'm not too keen in dealing with lawyers, CPAs, financial professionals who have a nose/cheek/lip rings on their person at this time. Nothing personal, I'm just 'old fashioned' that way.
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Well, luckily for the many people whose personal expression has no bearing on their work ethic or skills, people with archaic, illogical, superfluous viewpoints such as yours are a dying breed.
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I spend a lot of time in East Asia where the expression 'the nail that sticks out gets hammered down' is used a lot to remind people of the danger of non-conformity. Despite your lip service to individual freedom, which many of us in the West value, you seem to prefer this sort of authoritarian mindset that seeks to quash self-expression. There may be a price to pay for being tattooed but it's much higher for the kind of conformity you're advocating.
And in terms of the professional impediments, that's changing. I recently noticed a wrist tattoo peeking out from my doctor's lab coat and in the past, say, 5 years the number of young faculty members (at absolutely top institutions and in non-arts disciplines ) with visible ink has really risen. So no, not just the person who pours your coffee but the one who teaches your kid economics may sport a tattoo.
And in terms of the professional impediments, that's changing. I recently noticed a wrist tattoo peeking out from my doctor's lab coat and in the past, say, 5 years the number of young faculty members (at absolutely top institutions and in non-arts disciplines ) with visible ink has really risen. So no, not just the person who pours your coffee but the one who teaches your kid economics may sport a tattoo.
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Tattoos also impact your acceptance at a blood bank, should you wish to donate blood whether for a relative or for complete strangers. It will depend on the blood bank's policies, your state's laws, and whether the tattoo facility is state-licensed and -regulated (which in turn depends upon whether your state regulates tattoo parlors).
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In NYC they ask if you have had a tattoo recently I think it is 6 months or a year. If you have one you are asked to wait until the 6 month or 1 year time period is over. Other than that they don't ask any tattoo questions.
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Who wants to donate blood? Certainly not I. Too lean anyway. So stop with the justifications. Just stop. And donate your blood--silently.
Tattoos might also impact your acceptance by oldsters like me, who tend to be repulsed by them. I associate them with the kind of guys I went to school with who dropped out at 16 and joined the Navy (not to mention the pregnant girlfriends they left behind in an era when contraceptive pills and abortions were both illegal). In Japan they associate them with gangsters, not a surprise to me, and often won't let tattooed people into their baths/hot springs. Some high-end tour operators from the US sometimes have to remind their guests of this before they sign up for trips.
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A friend of mine tells of an experience when dissecting a cadaver in med school. The subject had tattoos, not sure how many. When they got to carving up the liver, they noted there were "colorized" areas of the liver. Enough to dissuade me from ever getting any tattoos. Our livers work hard enough without adding self-inflicted toxins.
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Alcoholism affects the liver not tattoos. Please.
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Some tattoo inks are laden with heavy metals - a definite strain on the liver.
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Interesting. Could tattoos reflect some inner conflict or dissatisfaction requiring an external corrective? Hard to tell, now that tattoos have become so ubiquitous. But never natural, inflicted on one's own body's skin and beyond. Wondering if somebody is studying the long-term effects of our willful attack, for whatever reason, if any, to ourselves?
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What is "natural" about modern post-industrial society? Driving a car? Watching television? Flying a jet? Bad argument.
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why don't people go back to painting their bodies and faces, similar to the North American Indians, and many other cultures, instead? You can put together symbols and signals and color schemes that are speaking to the current state of affairs, personal and otherwise. More expressive, on top of less toxic.
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They could also go back to the Maori or Polynesian cultures in which tattoos have been around for millennia. You don't like it, don't do it, but your cultural biases are as plain as the tattoo on a Maori elder's face.
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Because they don't want to or they would do so. They want permanent tattoos. Deal with it.
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Plus you can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery.
these two facts alone should make any millennial think twice--unless they're not Jewish of course.
these two facts alone should make any millennial think twice--unless they're not Jewish of course.
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FWIW, according to the couple of rabbis I've asked, that's a myth. Good thing too.
I'd hate to think that those holocaust survivors that have their camp numbers tattooed on their forearms would be precluded from proper Jewish burial.
I'd hate to think that those holocaust survivors that have their camp numbers tattooed on their forearms would be precluded from proper Jewish burial.
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Involuntary tattoos like the one you describe are granted an exception. otherwise, tattoos verboten.
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Neither can one can go into public baths in Japan.
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Years ago, I played a joke on my brother and sister-in-law. Their eldest son (16 y/o) was visiting and I took him to the Haight St. Fair where we came across a temporary tatoo vendor. So I shard the joke idea with my nephew and bought him a big, savage looking barbed wire band tat that encircled around his right bicep. He flew home the next day, showed it to parents and they went ballastic! Until my nephew finally explained to them it was only temporary and water soluable : )
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Since these comments have devolved into a referendum on tattoos in general, here's my perspective:
1967:
"I saw a woman with a tattoo!" "Oh my god, that's genuinely astounding!"
"And I saw a woman in a mink stole!" "So what?"
2017:
"I saw a woman with a tattoo!" "So what?"
"And I saw a woman in a mink stole!" "Oh my god, that's genuinely astounding!"
1967:
"I saw a woman with a tattoo!" "Oh my god, that's genuinely astounding!"
"And I saw a woman in a mink stole!" "So what?"
2017:
"I saw a woman with a tattoo!" "So what?"
"And I saw a woman in a mink stole!" "Oh my god, that's genuinely astounding!"
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In both cases I would find the woman most unattractive.
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The social judgement on tattoos here is astounding.
To each their own.
To each their own.
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We all judge each other socially every day. It's inevitable.
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This article is interesting, but fails to answer a nagging question: Why would anyone -- not athletes or rappers or convicts, but the rest of us -- want a tatoo? Why would someone go to the trouble of having a saying or slogan they've overheard indelibly written on their person?
Yes, I know in some cultures it's common. To me it shows a complete disregard for one's body.
I see a woman and then notice her tatoo, and I remember the line from Billy Joel's "Modern Woman": "maybe she's the quiet type who's into heavy metal".
What's UP?
Yes, I know in some cultures it's common. To me it shows a complete disregard for one's body.
I see a woman and then notice her tatoo, and I remember the line from Billy Joel's "Modern Woman": "maybe she's the quiet type who's into heavy metal".
What's UP?
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Why would or should this article address your question?
Thats like asking why a piece on a beef stroganoff (sp?) recipe didnt answer why people would want to eat beef...!
Why do people do anything? Answer that!
Thats like asking why a piece on a beef stroganoff (sp?) recipe didnt answer why people would want to eat beef...!
Why do people do anything? Answer that!
Billy Joel?? Really?
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This is what I told my dad twenty plus years after my first tattoo. He, too, thinks they show complete disregard for one's body.
Since I was old enough to have a self image it's included tattoos. Early elementary school at the latest. Why? I have no idea. I was raised by observant Jews in a middle class neighborhood right outside of Chicago. No adults in my family had them, none of my parent's friends had them, I don't remember being regularly exposed to anyone with tattoos.
Nevertheless, since I first became aware of them I've known that they are an imperative for me.
Now at 50 I have a work-in-progress full sleeve on one arm and a single tat on the other - in progress because while they are an imperative for me, they are also expensive and my kids' needs are higher priority.
I asked my tattoo artist during the Bush Jr. economic downturn if the economy was hurting his business. He said it wasn't, because for most of his clients tattoos are a necessary expense, not a luxury expense.
We all have a self-concept - an image of what we're supposed to look like. Mine has has included tattoos for ~45 of my 50 years.
That's what's up.
Since I was old enough to have a self image it's included tattoos. Early elementary school at the latest. Why? I have no idea. I was raised by observant Jews in a middle class neighborhood right outside of Chicago. No adults in my family had them, none of my parent's friends had them, I don't remember being regularly exposed to anyone with tattoos.
Nevertheless, since I first became aware of them I've known that they are an imperative for me.
Now at 50 I have a work-in-progress full sleeve on one arm and a single tat on the other - in progress because while they are an imperative for me, they are also expensive and my kids' needs are higher priority.
I asked my tattoo artist during the Bush Jr. economic downturn if the economy was hurting his business. He said it wasn't, because for most of his clients tattoos are a necessary expense, not a luxury expense.
We all have a self-concept - an image of what we're supposed to look like. Mine has has included tattoos for ~45 of my 50 years.
That's what's up.
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Chill out people. If you don't like tattoos, don't get one. Problem solved!
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The problem is that I do not like to see tattoos on other people either. You can say it is none of my business, but I wish other people did not have visible tattoos.
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Steve, you have got to be kidding. How can you imagine that others should care if you do or do not like how they decorate their own bodies? Really, don't you have anything better to think about them the choices of strangers?
If you don't like what you're looking at, then avert your eyes. Problem solved.
If you don't like what you're looking at, then avert your eyes. Problem solved.
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I spent four years on active duty in the Navy so I've seen lots of tattoos. I always questioned the wisdom of it.
My son once asked me why I didn't have one. I replied that despite a lot of drunken exploits I somehow maintained enough consciousness to avoid it even while watching someone else get one.
I love looking at these tattoos that were done 30 years ago after 40 pounds of weight is gained. Some of them are undefinable any more.
My son once asked me why I didn't have one. I replied that despite a lot of drunken exploits I somehow maintained enough consciousness to avoid it even while watching someone else get one.
I love looking at these tattoos that were done 30 years ago after 40 pounds of weight is gained. Some of them are undefinable any more.
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Remember when we were young and we'd squish silly putty on to the comics from the newspaper? Then stretched them?
This is what old tattoos can end up looking like on stretched, sagging skin.
This is what old tattoos can end up looking like on stretched, sagging skin.
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True! I work with seniors and see many old men's tattoos, blurry and misshapen enough to put me off getting any myself.
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Is a tattoo a sign of being psychologically damaged. It seems a lot of people who suffer from addiction and psychological problems get tattoos.
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I did find that dealing with emotional problems from a difficult childhood was very problematic. I have a couple of tattoos for myself proclaiming my independence and exclaiming my ability to conquer my fears.
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The comments are interesting anyway. Some say tattoos might hurt job chances and those who defend them say "not if they can't be seen"-but we all know they would if they were seen. Advocates say "tattoos are "art"" but those who don't like them say they debase the appearance of the body so if they are art they are a funny kind in that many find them not only not artful but quite the opposite.
Because proponents are a little defensive one has to wonder if they are giving the real reasons for being tattooed. The tattoos are art argument, seems to suggest that one reason for the phenomena is a "look at me" kind of narcissism but another possibility is that they are a signal.
One signal might be to like minded people that "I'm one of you and not one of them". However my view falls to another form of the "signal" motive. Men seem to be trying to look like gangbanger wannabes and one has to assume the signal is "I'm tough-don't mess with me". On women subtle tattoos give a sexual signal that they are confident and unafraid. In other words tattoos are very much like a bumper sticker- telling the world what you want the world to think you are. And although the content doesn't matter as much as the fact of the tattoo "artful", at least for women, would be better. For men's purposes "edgy" is better
Because proponents are a little defensive one has to wonder if they are giving the real reasons for being tattooed. The tattoos are art argument, seems to suggest that one reason for the phenomena is a "look at me" kind of narcissism but another possibility is that they are a signal.
One signal might be to like minded people that "I'm one of you and not one of them". However my view falls to another form of the "signal" motive. Men seem to be trying to look like gangbanger wannabes and one has to assume the signal is "I'm tough-don't mess with me". On women subtle tattoos give a sexual signal that they are confident and unafraid. In other words tattoos are very much like a bumper sticker- telling the world what you want the world to think you are. And although the content doesn't matter as much as the fact of the tattoo "artful", at least for women, would be better. For men's purposes "edgy" is better
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Tattoos indirectly promote profiling.
Yup. And so do hairstyles and clothing. So get over it and lighten up.
They called graffiti "art" too....an "art" that most people hated and didn't want to see around them. I still think tattoos are a way to subtly offend people without having to go to the effort of offending them.
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I have found the perfect solution to this quandry: don't get tattooed and don't work out.
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As someone who suffers from really debilitating hyperhydrosis I am now considering having my feet and armpits covered in tattooos.
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I should clarify: I'm considering having my feet and armpits covered in flesh colored tattoos.
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Criminal justice agencies including the police of very small towns share records. If you are ever arrested, they put your information in a database including photos of your tattoos.
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And if the tattoos don't destroy the sweat glands, the laser removal surely will.
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The only thing more ridiculous than some big brawny guy with tats is a beautiful young woman who looks like she just escaped a Biker convention. They look stupid, could injure your health (hepatitis C among other ways), will cost you jobs and cost a fortune to remove.
Before the pushback comes let me tell you this: If you are tatted up I would never hire you and neither would my employer or many others. I think it a sign of poor judgement and immaturity to jam ink under your skin. I do not want you serving me as your higher risk of Hepatitis is nothing I want near my food or medicine.
You want a growth job? Go into the Tat removal business. When millions decide they want their ill considered expressions of poor judgement removed they will have to come to you, and pay you- repeatedly.
BTW tatted America- they charge to remove by area. Start saving your money.
Before the pushback comes let me tell you this: If you are tatted up I would never hire you and neither would my employer or many others. I think it a sign of poor judgement and immaturity to jam ink under your skin. I do not want you serving me as your higher risk of Hepatitis is nothing I want near my food or medicine.
You want a growth job? Go into the Tat removal business. When millions decide they want their ill considered expressions of poor judgement removed they will have to come to you, and pay you- repeatedly.
BTW tatted America- they charge to remove by area. Start saving your money.
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Your judgement is noted.
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You want a growth job? Go into the Tat removal business. When millions decide they want their ill considered expressions of poor judgement removed they will have to come to you, and pay you- repeatedly.
I thought the same thing back in the 1990s when this craze took off. The industry has yet to even get started in earnest, never mind reach the point you mention. It seems that those who got tattoos don't want them off, even after 20 years.
I thought the same thing back in the 1990s when this craze took off. The industry has yet to even get started in earnest, never mind reach the point you mention. It seems that those who got tattoos don't want them off, even after 20 years.
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Mr. Gregory, I find your scorn and judgement very off-putting. Many of my friends have numerous tattoos and they are neither foolish nor immature. You wouldn't deign to hire or consult them? I know I wouldn't want to work for you with that attitude. I think we could both do well to open ourselves to the idea that other people's tastes and choices may not be for us but are not reasons to dismiss them entirely.
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Useless fad for self absorbed people as proven by some of the comments here
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we live in a nihilist society. Just look at how popular libertarianism has become over the past 30 years. Eisenhower and his generation thought this group to be degenerate. Today they are mainstream.
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I am tattooed and work circles around most crotchety, preachy retired Americans in charity and volunteer work--animals, children, politics, youth sponsorship, helping friends and family financially and emotionally and giving until it literally hurt--two months hospitalization from over-exhaustion with spinal meningitis. You know what made that hospital journey somewhat tolerable? My tattoos!!!! Medical staff loved them and this created a very necessary rapport with nursing staff which helped my roommate and I both.
As to personality type, I am quiet and low-key. Unpretentious clothing worn, little makeup or jewelry.
You might want to stop the simplistic judgments and look in the mirror.
Perhaps you are projecting your own selfishness onto the undeserving? I DARE you to outperform me in social contributions!
As to personality type, I am quiet and low-key. Unpretentious clothing worn, little makeup or jewelry.
You might want to stop the simplistic judgments and look in the mirror.
Perhaps you are projecting your own selfishness onto the undeserving? I DARE you to outperform me in social contributions!
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I just wish I could live long enough to see those tattoos when they hit sixty.
It's your body, do what you want with it, just keep your shirt on around me, thank you very much.
It's your body, do what you want with it, just keep your shirt on around me, thank you very much.
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but they will not keep their shirt on. These things will be visible (clearly). what are you going to do? avoid going into major metropolitan areas? using public transportation? going to the beach?
Family doctor here. I see many patients like that. Not a pretty sight. Even when compared with a typical 60 year-old body.
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how do you prevent from going blind vberling? do you wear very dark sunglasses? Please let me know, I need to know. The ride on the subway, I believe, is causing me eye damage.
In my field I often have the opportunity to see tattoos that are very beautiful and interesting. But as a lymphatic therapist I have been concerned about the effect on the lymphatic system and have wished for more research on large areas of inking.
Thank you for starting the conversation into this timely topic.
Thank you for starting the conversation into this timely topic.
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Wow, aren't so many of you freely judgmental? Has no-one ever stopped to consider that a well-educated adult--someone you would consider your peer in other ways--might make a choice that you would not make? Skip the "well-educated" part, because that's snobby: we are adults, who control our bodies. You might make a choice with which I don't agree, but it's not my business to condemn you or deride you or consider you less of a human being. Are you a smoker? Do you dress in a way I consider unflattering? Do you drink alcohol to excess? Maybe you smoke marijuana--maybe you smoked it once. Do you drive your car in a way that endangers me because you think your time is more precious than mine? Are you generally rude?
Do my tattoos have any impact upon you? Are they in any way your business? Am I not allowed to express myself as I see fit? If I were superficial, I would worry about what others think and not get tattoos...
I'm pleased to see that so many readers are willing to out themselves as closed-minded and, to turn it back around on some of you, superficial.
Do my tattoos have any impact upon you? Are they in any way your business? Am I not allowed to express myself as I see fit? If I were superficial, I would worry about what others think and not get tattoos...
I'm pleased to see that so many readers are willing to out themselves as closed-minded and, to turn it back around on some of you, superficial.
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quolivere,
but if tattoos cause health problems, as the article implies (possibly), will you also not want this problem to be "fixed" with public funds? And you say those of us who may have to pay for this are "superficial"?
but if tattoos cause health problems, as the article implies (possibly), will you also not want this problem to be "fixed" with public funds? And you say those of us who may have to pay for this are "superficial"?
I don't think we're closed minded.
I do think you might have that tatoo as a way of making a statement about the rest of us however;
It's my right to think that tatoos are ugly, and I have the same right to that as you do to have them done.
The idea that you'd come on here and trash others suggests that you're not all that comfortable with your own decisions. Noone is preventing you from expressing yourself, but in doing so you leave yourself open to criticism.
I do think you might have that tatoo as a way of making a statement about the rest of us however;
It's my right to think that tatoos are ugly, and I have the same right to that as you do to have them done.
The idea that you'd come on here and trash others suggests that you're not all that comfortable with your own decisions. Noone is preventing you from expressing yourself, but in doing so you leave yourself open to criticism.
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Thank you.
This country has lost its moral compass: Worried about tattoos instead of 32 million people losing healthcare access (maybe they don't "deserve" healthcare because they have tattoos or do not otherwise bend to the will of the sanctimonious).
Unbelievable.
This country has lost its moral compass: Worried about tattoos instead of 32 million people losing healthcare access (maybe they don't "deserve" healthcare because they have tattoos or do not otherwise bend to the will of the sanctimonious).
Unbelievable.
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Just a reminder: Tattoos mean different things to different people and not just adornments. I work with the undocumented youth who come from Central America. I ask if they have tattoos because the government presumes if they do, they are affiliated or have been affiliated with gangs in their home countries and will make the corresponding case against them. I sincerely hope they don't but understand that they made need them to survive.
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So, my jaw dropped a bit. I definitely noticed more sweat from my face/neck in the past couple years but didn't understand it. I've also accumulated many tattoos during this same time. Obv could be unrelated but ...
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Apparently the body's drive for equilibrium also happens with liposuction....the body wants the same percentage of fat no matter what, so if you remove it from, say, your thighs, it's only going to reappear on your back or waist or upper arms...
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I think that most people these days who get tattoos do it because they feel pressured to "be cool" and "fashionable." It's like mass hysteria. So they make a compromise, and get a tattoo on a "safe," less visible, place, where it won't be seen much while, at the same time, the person IS "cool" and HAS a tattoo.
So the usual result is a tattoo on the back of the lower leg. In the hot summer, when everyone is wearing shorts, the safe tattoo is visible to all, provided they look towards the floor, from behind. And from any kind of distance, these tattoos just look kind of like dirt, like the person's calves need a good scrubbing. I wouldn't get a tattoo like that for anything. But the need to "be like everybody else" brings on irrational choices. It's tough, and often sad, to be a human being.
So the usual result is a tattoo on the back of the lower leg. In the hot summer, when everyone is wearing shorts, the safe tattoo is visible to all, provided they look towards the floor, from behind. And from any kind of distance, these tattoos just look kind of like dirt, like the person's calves need a good scrubbing. I wouldn't get a tattoo like that for anything. But the need to "be like everybody else" brings on irrational choices. It's tough, and often sad, to be a human being.
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Interesting. I wonder if tattoos might also lower blood pressure, by causing more sodium to be excreted through perspiration.
I take a diuretic blood pressure med daily (triamterene), which causes excess sodium to be excreted through urination. Some enterprising researchers should determine whether tattooed individuals might require less, or different, treatment for hypertension.
I take a diuretic blood pressure med daily (triamterene), which causes excess sodium to be excreted through urination. Some enterprising researchers should determine whether tattooed individuals might require less, or different, treatment for hypertension.
According to the article, there is half the amount of sweat, but that sweat has twice the concentration of sodium.
That means that the same amount of sodium is being secreted from the tattooed and non-tattooed skin, but half the amount of water.
So no gain for sodium-rich.
That means that the same amount of sodium is being secreted from the tattooed and non-tattooed skin, but half the amount of water.
So no gain for sodium-rich.
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The funniest part of the reactions to this article is that they're pretty much not about the science, but about the very notion of being tattooed, which evidently is still quite transgressive for any number of NYTimes readers. I got my first tattoo at 57, my second at 59. Both are small, done to commemorate significant accomplishments in my life, and since they're on my ankles, I'm not too worried about the potential loss of sweat glands on those two small sections of my body's real estate. More importantly, I haven't lost my job or been subject to any overt opprobium for my choices.
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Looks like an older crowd here who have clung to previous generations views of tattoos as low class, nasty, or what have you.
I'm no spring chicken but both my kids are tattooed and I clearly see it has a completely different meaning nowadays, and I see a lot of really wonderful tattoos both out and about and sometimes in my health care job.
Conversely, I also see that they sometimes are not the best look on old skin, and I am uncertain how well the years will treat them. Touch ups of great art tattoos are needed for life to maintain them. I'm just not into pain. Also from a medical perspective, I think they are unlikely to have any significant medical impacts unless the ink used is actively toxic (unlikely) or you are 100% covered.
I love looking at good ones! They don't impact jobs or anything else anymore, so relax people.
I'm no spring chicken but both my kids are tattooed and I clearly see it has a completely different meaning nowadays, and I see a lot of really wonderful tattoos both out and about and sometimes in my health care job.
Conversely, I also see that they sometimes are not the best look on old skin, and I am uncertain how well the years will treat them. Touch ups of great art tattoos are needed for life to maintain them. I'm just not into pain. Also from a medical perspective, I think they are unlikely to have any significant medical impacts unless the ink used is actively toxic (unlikely) or you are 100% covered.
I love looking at good ones! They don't impact jobs or anything else anymore, so relax people.
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Nothing screams I am a member of the underclass or have very poor judgement like having ridiculous cartoons on your body. How many guys with flames on their neck or skulls on their arms get admitted to Professional Schools?
Something else that should be noted is the fad of Chinese tats being put on people who cannot read Chinese. The "artist" who probably cannot speak, read or write the language could be putting anything on your skin. Instead of saying "Wisdom" it could be saying "Kick me I am a stupid American".
Something else that should be noted is the fad of Chinese tats being put on people who cannot read Chinese. The "artist" who probably cannot speak, read or write the language could be putting anything on your skin. Instead of saying "Wisdom" it could be saying "Kick me I am a stupid American".
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Kind of like nothing screams I am a member of the underclass like those who voted for Trump?
My wife (we are in our early 70s) always wonders What will they do when they age and their large tattoos start to sag and distort the image?
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Is your skin sagging that much in your early 70s? Just wondering when people say that how much they really think skin sags.
probably deal with the disappointment that the outward marks of aging bring to almost everyone.
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They can have the tattoos refreshed, done all the time. And if their skin is sagging that much it is do to aging badly due to a sedentary, over-eating (especially meat) lifestyle.
I believe tattoos are an expression of oneself. I have 12 of them on my arms, inclusive of my zodiac sign, my dog and and the word love written inside a heart. They are very tasteful and non-offensive. I really do not care what other people think as my opinion is the only one that matters to me.
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I don't understand why a woman would do that to such beautiful skin! Tattoos look like skin fungi.
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Kind of makes sense: If you poke little holes into your skin and inject chemicals into them, you are going to damage your sweat glands. Further if you do that to a large portion of your skin, you are going to have problem sweating.
However, as the reporter pointed out, this is just one small study, but definitely more work needs to be done, given how prevalent tattoos are. I think people can do whatever they want to their body, but they should have full knowledge of what harm it can do.
However, as the reporter pointed out, this is just one small study, but definitely more work needs to be done, given how prevalent tattoos are. I think people can do whatever they want to their body, but they should have full knowledge of what harm it can do.
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Ever see a bumper sticker on a Ferrari? Exactly.
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Yes. The one that said, "Laugh! It's paid for."
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Interesting to read so many negative comments about tattoos from a usually liberal, educated, social justice conscience readership. I guess everyone has a negative view they feel need to share with the world. Hypocrisy does not discriminate.
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Most of the commentators want to share their opinion of tattoos in general. Some pro; some con. Not a lot of comments about the actual study that is the subject of the article. For the past eight years, I have done a lot of hot yoga, which, by design, generates a lot of sweat. Many of the participants - men and women - have tattoos, which seem very popular among this group of yogis. (I don't myself.) I have never seen any indication that anyone with tattoos doing hot yoga and sweating profusely performs any better or worse than anyone without tattoos. OK, not scientific, not controlled for the many other variables, not objective as to how performance is measured, etc. etc. But, just saying.
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Plenty of talented athletes sport tattoos, and it doesn't seem to have hurt their performance any. If their bodies compensate by sweating slightly more in the un-tattooed parts, and slightly less in the tattooed parts, what difference does it make?
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Yesterday the NYT ran an article about Jewish parents choosing not to have their sons circumcised, ritually or medically.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/well/family/cutting-out-the-bris.html...
Many of the comments attacked circumcision in any form as mutilation. I will not argue the point or the issue here; I did yesterday in my 2 (pro ritual circumcision ) comments.
I am interested in knowing though whether the anti-circumcision qua mutilation people are also anti tattoo which could be described as a form of mutilation and is certainly dangerous.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/tattoo...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/well/family/cutting-out-the-bris.html...
Many of the comments attacked circumcision in any form as mutilation. I will not argue the point or the issue here; I did yesterday in my 2 (pro ritual circumcision ) comments.
I am interested in knowing though whether the anti-circumcision qua mutilation people are also anti tattoo which could be described as a form of mutilation and is certainly dangerous.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/tattoo...
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FWIW, I'm against both.
Do you not see the difference between an adult choosing to get a tattoo for himself/herself and the circumcision of an infant? I think that most people who are against infant circumcision wouldn't have a problem with an adult getting circumcised on his own free will.
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since circumcision is rarely a personal choice, and tattooing rarely isn't, this doesn't seem a rational set of arguments. I'd rather see a comparison of piercing your child's ears vs circumcision.
Tattoos will not affect your workout.
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This study and article probably won't change any minds. But it is obvious that the act of injecting ink permanently into the body's largest organ is injurious. It is a form of mutilation.
Have at it, it's your body. But be honest about it.
Have at it, it's your body. But be honest about it.
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OK, under the banner of "honesty," let's explore the idea of self-mutilation. I'll start. Piercing of ears and other body parts; makeup: high heels; too much weight; too little weight; overly tight and constricting clothing; sleep deprivation; cosmetic surgery; extreme exercise and over-development of musculature; contorted yoga positions; playing football; smoking; "listening" to highly amplified noise; et cetera.
Now, someone please remind me what's so terrible about tattoos.
Now, someone please remind me what's so terrible about tattoos.
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Another fad that will fad long before the tattoo. Before you get one please wear bell bottom pants and gaudy polyester shirt,carry a pet rock and a cabbage patch doll and listen to a walkman. If you think that is the real you then get the tat!
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Tattoos are just plain stupid. There will come a time as you mature when you will glance at your tattoo and wonder to yourself "what was I thinking".
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Saddest ones are the tramp stamps across the shoulders of women. And I can't understand beautiful women who desecrate their breasts by getting tattoos on them. What a turn off.
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Sun around the navel is the worst.
The ink you devoted to this story would be better used on my body.
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Here's some things you may want to consider: I have tattoos and; I don't care what you think.
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Come to me to apply for a job with your tattoos showing and let's see how far you get.
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as long as you know some jobs won't hire you with visible tattoos
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Never let the facts get in the way of a belief or a defensive posture.
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Another example of the self-absorbed and their "look at me - I'm special and different." Tattoos are ugly and permanent reminders of superficiality.
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Sad fact is that many who get them feel very unspecial in their world and rather than doing something noteworthy they desecrate their temple.
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But that might hurt their feelings...... LOL!!!!
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Clothing. Another example of self absorbed "look at me - I'm special and different." Clothing is ugly and a reminder of superficiality.
Vehicles. Another example of self absorbed "look at me - I'm special and different." Vehicles are ugly and a reminder of superficiality.
Music. Another example of self absorbed "look at me - I'm special and different." Music is ugly and a reminder of superficiality.
Or, who cares.
Vehicles. Another example of self absorbed "look at me - I'm special and different." Vehicles are ugly and a reminder of superficiality.
Music. Another example of self absorbed "look at me - I'm special and different." Music is ugly and a reminder of superficiality.
Or, who cares.
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Another culture piece by the NYT that is twenty years behind the times.
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(A) It's a science piece, not a culture piece.
(B) It's reporting recent research, not something from 20 years ago.
You were correct, however, in noting that's it's in the NYT. Keep trying!
(B) It's reporting recent research, not something from 20 years ago.
You were correct, however, in noting that's it's in the NYT. Keep trying!
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They look great on jailhouse cons, convicted felons and gang members.
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How is it that jailhouse cons get tattooed in jail? It seems to me that being in jail implies a degree of depravation, like no tattoos or drugs or special diets or a bunch of other stuff.
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And carnies.
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And Yoga instructors, and women and men and professionals and electricians and plumbers and window installers and doctors and nurses!
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It's interesting to see all the negativity regarding tattoos. Common tropes, like "you won't get a job," or "it shows you have no respect for yourself," among other things, are on display here.
As a tattooed young professional working in econ consulting, let me state the obvious; except for tattoos on your face, neck, or hands - in other words, tattoos that cannot be covered by professional attire - in no way will having a tattoo bar you from getting a job. Many of my colleagues have tattoos. Many of my friends and friends' colleagues in strategy/tech/management consulting, finance, Silicon Valley, law, etc. have tattoos. Guess what? We're all graduates of top 25 universities, and we all do quite well for ourselves.
Second, regarding respect for oneself; tattoos are, for my generation, often a form of expressing one's love for one's body. Tattoos are art, and treating oneself as a worthy canvass can be a form of artistic expression and self love.
Why the negativity and judgement? If you don't want a tattoo, don't get one. It's that simple.
As a tattooed young professional working in econ consulting, let me state the obvious; except for tattoos on your face, neck, or hands - in other words, tattoos that cannot be covered by professional attire - in no way will having a tattoo bar you from getting a job. Many of my colleagues have tattoos. Many of my friends and friends' colleagues in strategy/tech/management consulting, finance, Silicon Valley, law, etc. have tattoos. Guess what? We're all graduates of top 25 universities, and we all do quite well for ourselves.
Second, regarding respect for oneself; tattoos are, for my generation, often a form of expressing one's love for one's body. Tattoos are art, and treating oneself as a worthy canvass can be a form of artistic expression and self love.
Why the negativity and judgement? If you don't want a tattoo, don't get one. It's that simple.
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Tattoos are indeed a result of treating one's body "as a worthy canvas, " but the decision to have one, or many, shows shocking audacity. Many of our tastes and ways of expressing ourselves change throughout our lives. I would advise investing in tattoo removal methods, for the next few decades will produce a huge market of people who regret their tattoos.
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Doing well, perhaps despite tattoo, may have something to do with graduating from a 'top 25' university.
Others may face more obstacles.
Oh yarh, check back in 20 years.....
Others may face more obstacles.
Oh yarh, check back in 20 years.....
If I know you have a tat I will consider that you have poor judgement and would never hire you, retain your services or recommend you for anything requiring judgement. And I would be right to do so.
Love the skin you are in instead of paying someone to draw cartoons on your body.
Love the skin you are in instead of paying someone to draw cartoons on your body.
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Yakuza tattoos seem very artful. But of course if you're that deep into organized crime then things like "life span" and "long-term health effects" probably aren't a big concern.
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Regarding long term impact...
Many have seen the arms(usually the location) of older guys who most likely were Marines or military who decades ago got tattoos. The obvious finding in all of them is that they're pale and smudged, as outlines and coloration have changed. This is how our skin and bodies react to the presence of foreign substances in places where they are unintended.
Fast forward- the current tattoo craze will see the same thing in future years. If I were starting medicine now I'd specialize in tattoo removal, as the future is bright.
Real question though, will Medicaid and Medicare reimburse for these foolish choices in past years?
Retired emergency physician
Many have seen the arms(usually the location) of older guys who most likely were Marines or military who decades ago got tattoos. The obvious finding in all of them is that they're pale and smudged, as outlines and coloration have changed. This is how our skin and bodies react to the presence of foreign substances in places where they are unintended.
Fast forward- the current tattoo craze will see the same thing in future years. If I were starting medicine now I'd specialize in tattoo removal, as the future is bright.
Real question though, will Medicaid and Medicare reimburse for these foolish choices in past years?
Retired emergency physician
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My tattoo artist freshens old tattoos. Problem solved.
By the time one advances in age enough much their body will likely look pretty horrible anyway (at least compared to one’s younger self) - bald, sagging, gray, and all the other signs of aging. Not to even mention all the other potential health ailments one may get along the way of getting old. If the worst one has to deal with at an advanced age are some tattoos that have lost much of their original luster (much like life), I don't think life has dealt that bad of a hand.
I read recently that 1 out of 3 Americans have a tattoo. I remember my Dad saying to me early in life to never get one. His reasoning it signified you were a lesser class person or would be perceived as such. I tend to agree. This article as someone who works out alot is just another reason to listen to Dad's original advice. To each his own. I have seen some very artful ones and some really awful ones. Count me out.
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My guess is that if you are concerned about being signified as a "lesser class person" or being perceived as one, you are probably right to be concerned- and it has nothing to do with having, or getting a tattoo.
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As the only non-tattood person at my gym, I suspect these attitudes are fading rapidly among the younger generations
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Most fashion works its way up from the streets and into the mainstream. How else would we have men wearing their pants around their knees, jailhouse style?
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Another good reason not to get a tattoo.
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Agree. Oh, yes, when I was young I wanted a tattoo, and more piercing, but my parents forbade all of that. When I was older and into yoga I considered getting a ring of Sanskrit around my upper arm. My spouse said, "Well, sure it would look good on you now, but what if your arms don't always look like this?" Thank heavens I listened to him. I'm now 53 and those 28 year old arms are long gone.
When I was in my 30s I got my belly button pierced. At least no one would ever notice it if I didn't want them to. My last little rebellion.
When I was in my 30s I got my belly button pierced. At least no one would ever notice it if I didn't want them to. My last little rebellion.
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i have no tattoos, and i'm willing to give free readings to anyone interested, from Melville's MD, and i
prefer to speak as Queequeg, rather coughing back for an imagined audience i call Ishmael.
just sayin' . . . it's my contrived way to turn 'the coffin' into the lifeboat
prefer to speak as Queequeg, rather coughing back for an imagined audience i call Ishmael.
just sayin' . . . it's my contrived way to turn 'the coffin' into the lifeboat
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que?
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The outrageous excesses of "trends", fads, "fashion", and "what's in", mass imposed on often helpless masses, starting with the ones who are especially vulnerable, with opportunistic and self-centered "celebrities" and models doing their part of the tattooing epidemic travesty are (very) sad testimony of the ways the "system" (doesn't) work.
Excessive exposing of human body, now with increasing impacts of solar radiation due to living in tropical areas, further point out foolishness of too many and selfishness of those who profit from this "trend".
Excessive exposing of human body, now with increasing impacts of solar radiation due to living in tropical areas, further point out foolishness of too many and selfishness of those who profit from this "trend".
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Aside from looking really ugly, and appealing to those with no taste but lots of desire for self-inflicted pain, they will all look like hematomas too soon.
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Actually, no. You are wrong. Depends on the talent of the artist and on each particular body and body part being tattooed.
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Plenty of people out there now looking like walking hematomas, without the tattoos. Doesn't seem to bother them. Seems all their 'taste' is in their mouths.
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"Tattoos are decorative, often metaphoric, sometimes regrettable, but always injurious." This is an interesting article, and other than the fact that opinions differ as to whether tattoos contribute or detract from the natural aesthetics of the human body (as another comment stated: "each to their own"), the major point raised here is the violation of another natural rule of biology: do no harm to the self. Inflammation research, and how it can result in escalating problems for biological function, is one of the hottest areas of biomedical research. Thinking of damaging your skin to fit in? Think again. Go out and buy some nice new outfits, instead. Autoimmune inflammatory risk or some other distressing impact on skin cells is probably less likely if you do.
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Or apply temporary stick on or inked on tatoos
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Remaining question: If a tattoo was removed is the skin less damaged or more damaged?
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More damaged as the tattoo must be lasered (read, Burned) off. See the article below
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4411590/
From an old burn/plastic surgery RN: tatoos carry health risks. I saw infections from fungal contaminated ink, yuck!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4411590/
From an old burn/plastic surgery RN: tatoos carry health risks. I saw infections from fungal contaminated ink, yuck!
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Tattoo removed re-injures the skin
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It would be interesting to see differences in right and left side of body. I seem to recall that deodorant companies would advertise their products "by taking the challenge": put your deodorant under your right arm, theirs under your left to see which works better (knowing full well that you sweat more under your right than left arm).
I don't have any tattoos myself but I have always admired the artwork and creativity involved. Plus I have always thought the athletic body was a great canvas for that kind of art.
The fact that some people are willing to ridicule and critique others very personal choices in such a negative manner speaks to the character of those passing judgment more than the folks with the tattoos.
The fact that some people are willing to ridicule and critique others very personal choices in such a negative manner speaks to the character of those passing judgment more than the folks with the tattoos.
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For those of us with life long careers dedicated to classical arts the overwhelming number of tattoo's don't even rise to the level of a colonial coffee table.
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The good thing about this comments section is that a certain number of people who read it will decide not to get a tattoo. No one who reads it will be more likely to get a tattoo.
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Yes, tattoo art has come into its own. If one ever goes into a parlor and flips through a book of designs, they'll see some amazing assortment of intricate artwork. I think the addition of colors really made the difference. That monotone dark green was a little tiring.
Interesting, to be sure. But I always wonder where those inks come from and what is in them. Making the assumption that they are safe seems a real stretch to me.
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A few years ago, contaminated ink caused some terrible infections:
"When tattoo ink contaminated with mycobacteria is injected into the skin, the bacteria can cause an infection that remains at the site or that may spread throughout the body. Such infection might result in redness; swelling; itching; raised pink, red, or purple blemishes in the tattoo; or pain in the tattoo that does not go away. If you have these symptoms, you should seek medical treatment. You may also notice swollen and tender lymph nodes, at sites local and distant to the infected tattoo.
These infections can be severe and may require extensive treatment with antibiotics, hospitalization, or surgery. Sepsis, a potentially life-threatening body-wide infection of the blood, has been reported in cases of injection of contaminated tattoo inks. Once the infection has healed, the area may remain permanently scarred." https://www.fda.gov/food/newsevents/constituentupdates/ucm457439.htm
"When tattoo ink contaminated with mycobacteria is injected into the skin, the bacteria can cause an infection that remains at the site or that may spread throughout the body. Such infection might result in redness; swelling; itching; raised pink, red, or purple blemishes in the tattoo; or pain in the tattoo that does not go away. If you have these symptoms, you should seek medical treatment. You may also notice swollen and tender lymph nodes, at sites local and distant to the infected tattoo.
These infections can be severe and may require extensive treatment with antibiotics, hospitalization, or surgery. Sepsis, a potentially life-threatening body-wide infection of the blood, has been reported in cases of injection of contaminated tattoo inks. Once the infection has healed, the area may remain permanently scarred." https://www.fda.gov/food/newsevents/constituentupdates/ucm457439.htm
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According to a recent report on the "In Good Shape" program on DWTV, tattoo inks contain heavy metals which migrate to the lymph nodes. The show's host, an MD, strongly advised against getting tattoos.
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This has long been known in Japan. In The Tattoo Murder Mystery, a 1947 mystery by the Japanese writer Akimitsu Takagi, on character tells another: "When a person gets a major tattoo, there are some permanent physiological side effects, including a perceptible change in metabolism...having tattoos over a large area of the body radically lower the body temperature, [making] tattooed skin cool to the touch."
A page later, he continues, "It is a medical fact that all-over tattooing decreases life span because heavily tattooed skin doesn't breathe properly."
A page later, he continues, "It is a medical fact that all-over tattooing decreases life span because heavily tattooed skin doesn't breathe properly."
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I'm not sure why this is reported since the conclusion is that it doesn't matter...
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Please tell this to the ancient polynesians. "Like other Polynesians, the Hawaiian people imported their traditional tattoo art, known as kakau, to the islands. It served them not only for ornamentation and distinction, but to guard their health and spiritual well-being. Images of lizards, which were greatly respected and feared, and of the Hawaiian crescent fan (Peahi niu) for the highest-ranking members of society, dominated Hawaiian kakau. Intricate patterns, mimicking woven reeds or other natural forms, graced men's arms, legs, torso and face. Women were generally tattooed on the hand, fingers, wrists and sometimes on their tongue."
And the Maori warriors.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/tattoos-144038580/
And the Maori warriors.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/tattoos-144038580/
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As with the Swiss Guards, please do tell me in recent history, what armies have the fierce Maoris and Polynesians defeated? Just shakin in my boots!
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I remember as a kid growing up in NYC some men would have
a tattoo, usually on the forearm or the side of the upper arm.
Things like an anchor, or a rose, or a girls name.
Now, it seems to have become an art form. Some of the tattoos
on places like the back of the calf and the feet look really ridiculous
in my view but to each his own.
I was wondering though why would a women want to put a tattoo on her lower back just above the butt that she cannot see? What is the point of that?
a tattoo, usually on the forearm or the side of the upper arm.
Things like an anchor, or a rose, or a girls name.
Now, it seems to have become an art form. Some of the tattoos
on places like the back of the calf and the feet look really ridiculous
in my view but to each his own.
I was wondering though why would a women want to put a tattoo on her lower back just above the butt that she cannot see? What is the point of that?
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I think its for someone else to enjoy. I always laugh when I see a 50+ old with one.
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you really can't think of a reason? such as the enjoyment of it by a lover? or someone on the beach when her back is exposed? tattooing is indeed an art form. we turn our bodies into art in many different ways. i love to see the imagination folks display in their tattos.
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It's because the intended audience is not the tattoo wearer herself.
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Just another reason not to damage one's skin by getting an ugly, silly tattoo. People who get large swaths done either have no respect for themselves (and do not realize how ridiculous they look) or they are just ignorant. The fastest way not to get a job is to tattoo yourself; not to mention it looks horrible on brides.
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Good thing my wife and I didn't get our tattoos to seek your approval.
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Lol, I know dozens of tattooed people and none of them are unemployed. Many of them are highly educated professionals. Some of them are successful business owners. Not sure why you think you can't get a job if you have a tattoo.
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Ffirst, it's their body and they don't need your approval or permission or appreciation to exercise their liberty to decorate it to their own liking and that of others who understand it as an artistic statement. Why should you be concerned to scold them if it satisfies them? Nor is tattooing a disqualification for holding down most jobs. Third, please open up your mind. Tattooing is a wonderful and imaginative gift to the world of something beautiful, creative, and interesting. You sound a bit like those folks in the 60s who couldn't stand it that guys grew beards and long hair. Or that women wore short skirts. Or that African Americans wore big hair.
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It will be interesting to see long term impact.
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Yes! Long term. Body staining, piercing, branding, and modifying has been with homo sapiens for thousands of years in numerous cultures. It seems to have evaporated in western culture once white Europeans took on the mantle of master race. What does it mean that it came into modern white culture as a manifestation of self expression around forty years ago and continues as an augmentation and affectation that sustains over a dozen tattoo parlors in as many blocks in my small town? And millions elsewhere. Tattoos are signals that resonate with ancient traditions. We are a troubled species and we communicate any way we can.
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