Traveling to America While Muslim

Jul 21, 2017 · 45 comments
Coutts (Vancouver)
You'll be more then welcome in Vancouver
Philly (Expat)
Dear NYT
Why did you even bother to open up this piece to comments? Only 30 comments were published as of 23 July at 6:40 ET, 2 days after the article was published. I sent a comment Fri night but it was not posted even though you sent the false notice 24 hrs later! My comment was opposite the sentiment of this piece, but definitely respectful, if I say so myself. I would expect that you would not post comments if 'vulgar' or 'personal attacks', or 'off topic', according to your own guidelines, but you should no censor for opinion! Readers can do that via the recommend, or not, button!

It obviously appears that you are reluctant to post comments on this piece if these comments run contrary to your position. It seems that the majority of comments, from mostly liberal NYT readers at that, are counter to your piece, which says how far left this piece is.

If you do not want to hear the opinions of your paid subscribers, then you should not have opened this up to comments in the first place!
Cod (MA)
Agreed. Often the comments are censored for no other reason that they don't agree with the narrative of the writer of the article or the NYT PC'ness.
Then the comments are often carefully curated, then posted.
So the comments are not a true reflection of the readership's opinions and thoughts and facts.
I've had comments posted then permanently removed, even after receiving a high amount of readers' picks.
NMAAHC (Bronx, NY)
More liberal catastrophizing. If someone wants to come to the US with a UK passport, that person gets in with the common US ESTA visa Waiver; no problem at all. The other, Somali, passport has nothing to do with it; you get in with your UK Passport. But the New York Times loves to see a catastrophe where none exists if it can demonize Donald Trump (and, in truth, any Republican). I can easily go to Saudi Arabia with my US passport, but with my Israeli passport, not at all. Which one do you think I take with me? When will the Times starting reporting honestly again?
Sebastien A. (Hollywood, CA.)
You are the one demonizing TNYT here, nobody's demomizing Trump and if you had done some research before commenting on here you would have found out that the ban applies to dual citizens of the banned Muslim countries as well. In short travelling with your other 'non banned' passeport still requires you to get a visa to get proper entry in the US.
Laura Wehrman (Brooklyn/Austin)
I'm horrified by some of the ignorant anti-Muslim comments on this thread...I read the NYTimes every day because I feel it is a more open-minded source (on BOTH sides of the political spectrum) but some of these comments might be from a Breitbart comment thread...extremism practiced under the guise of any religion or cause is exactly that, extremism and not representative of it as a whole...the folks mentioned in this article are just regular folks trying to live in the world...many years ago, I spent several months traveling around Syria, Jordan and Egypt and to date, were my favorite places I have ever visited and the warmth and hospitality I received was humbling...and the respect I received as a woman was also just standard from everyone...no one treated me like less of a person or like chattel...there is so much misunderstanding of the vast majority of peaceful and law-abiding Muslims in our world and that frustrates me...I do not what is to be done, but I do not agree with the travel ban at all and this article is just an example of what that looks like for those profiled...
MC312 (Chicago)
And just how welcoming would Muslim communities and countries be of my gay neighbor who would like to spend HIS tourist money there? He would be rightfully fearful he'd be thrown off the top of a building for being gay. But somehow the Left is entirely accepting of THIS as they choose to ignore this little inconvenient fact.
rella (VA)
There are dozens of Muslim-majority countries, and I seriously doubt that many people are being thrown off rooftops in most of them. Can you cite a documented case of someone being thrown off the top of a building for being gay in, say, Senegal? How about Albania? And so on down the line.
RJBBoston (Boston)
The fact that others may be non-democratic and/or intolerant does not mean we have to resort to the same standard. We set the example for the free world.
Cindy (Florida)
My first reaction - oh, get over yourself. I think it's good that we're being very clear upfront that people with certain profiles will likely be subject to more in-depth screening before being allowed entry. So, if you fit that profile, even a little bit, and don't want to answer some questions, then don't come. This includes me, when I returned from a trip to the Middle East - I was happy to be questioned about my activities. There is nothing wrong with trying to better protect ourselves from those trying to blow us up (unlike our French and British cousins who seem unable to do so). This isn't going to solve our long-standing social ills, but will provide an appropriate line of defense against a virulent threat.
Philly (Expat)
'But this year’s travel ban, shutting out citizens from entire countries with Muslim majorities, has shaken me to my core.'

One Jihadi terror attack after another after another has shaken many Americans to the core. The status quo was failing the American people, time to try a new tact.

And BTW, the killing of the good Samaritan Australian woman, Justine Damond, by a Somali American officer also has shaken many of us to the core.
MS (Somewhere Fun)
What does that shooting have to do with the subject of this article?
MS (Somewhere Fun)
So are you saying the Australian woman's shooting was a terroist act? Why does the officer's nationality have anything to do with it? Everyone is upset over this shooting. The had it coming due to white privilege remark is way off .
Frustrated Elite and Stupid (Atlanta)
Although there aren't too many comments yet, I am ashamed of my fellow Americans for their harsh intolerance exhibited in their feedback to this provocative article. If you don't want to go to Paris or London, it's not because a government is putting up travel barriers against you. Rather westerners who are fearful decide themselves a visit is not warranted. The very essence of the United States as previously seen the world over, was a highly desirable country to visit. The Muslim ban, for all the citizens whose sharp tongues have come to its defense, would not have prevented San Bernadino, Orlando, Boston, and Fort Hood. Americans should remember that in each of these calamities, all of the masterminds were permanent residents of the USA. Even if they had come back to the US, they wouldn't have been detained for long periods. Trump is a poor excuse for a POTUS, let's try to at least show some compassion and empathy. The danger of the trump ban and his matching rhetoric is they imply that all the world's 1 billion Muslims are terrorists wishing to do us harm. The ban wreaks of the Japanese interment camps of WW2.
Lynn in DC (um, DC)

Trudeau has laid out the welcome mat to all so you can vacation in Canada if you hate Trump or feel you are not welcome in the US.
John Ryan (Florida)
Sorry about the inconvenience of "answering questions" at the airport. How are screeners supposed to distinguish you and others with Somali passport stamps from killers who went for terrorist training? Oh, you attended a US university? Just like Somali Abdul Artan, who terrorized the Ohio State campus last November. Try cooperating instead of being indignant, it'll be safer for all of us. And maybe working in the Somali community in Britain to deter your young men from becoming radicalized instead of feigning astonishment over the reputation of Muslims might help.
Raindrop (USA)
Immigration officials have no idea what a Somali person looks like. Trust me on this one.
MS (Somewhere Fun)
We might do well to do the same with our home grown terrorists who are not necessarily Muslim or brown.
John (Thailand)
Think it's hard for a Muslim to enter the United States...try entering Saudi Arabia as a Christian or Jew!
Raindrop (USA)
There are lots of foreign workers in Saudi Arabia who are not Muslim. There are Westerners as well as Filipinos and Indians (among others), who are Christian, Jewish, and Hindu.
Baddy Khan (San Francisco)
Shameful, and should be utterly unacceptable. No large group should be discriminated against in this fashion. It is individuals who commit crimes.

Creating prejudice in this way is un-American. It is akin to saying "all blacks are...." or "all Jews are....". Or, during the second world war: "all Japanese-origin people are....".
Baddy Khan (San Francisco)
Discriminating against an entire community in this way is un-American. It is also ignorant.
Cod (MA)
If you are carrying a British passport what exactly is the problem?
And if it's such a worry there are plenty of other places to go on vacation.
Canada is very nice this time of year.
Honestly, I don't know why anyone would want to vacation in the US.
We're a little too gun happy in this country. And most people are driving like complete drunken morons while texting on our roads and highways.
Make sure you buy good medical insurance if you do decide to come here.
Liz (Bloomfield Hills, MI)
I would recommend the Detroit area. we have a large Muslim population, water sports, great food, architecture, art, automotive history, fantastic music and easy day trips to Toronto, Chicago, the Great Lakes and Cedar Point.
Wolfgang Schmidt (Hong Kong)
Lots of countries (e.g. Indonesia, UAE) that Israelis cannot visit. Being Israeli, one faces far more travel constraints than Muslims.
ZHR (NYC)
And I as a Jewish American am more than a little concerned about traveling to dozens of Muslim countries. And the thought of wearing a symbol of my ethnicity or religion in any of those countries--forget about it.
Greg M (Cleveland)
So the US should be no better than a Middle-Eastern dictatorship?
Canto28 (South Carolina)
I'm sure most Americans are not upset at the reduction of Muslim travel here. Polls have been showing that most Americans favor President Trump's recent immigration ban. IMO this can only be because there is more awareness of the inherent evils in Islamic teachings and of the strife and Islam inspired terror in Europe. Hence, there is simply more awareness of the risks Muslims represent.
Ellen (Seattle)
I can certainly understand Ms. Abokor's reluctance to take her chances with American immigration at the moment, but she can be assured that many of us in Seattle would absolutely welcome her to visit our city.
Jack (NJ)
Maybe you should write her?
Ellen (Seattle)
How? Maybe the author will pass along the comment. And of course I can't guarantee that she won't have hassles at Immigration.
Crusader Rabbit (Tucson, AZ)
I think this is precisely the point of the Trump administration initiatives in this area- discourage Muslims from traveling and/or emigrating to the U.S. It is primarily a cultural message- we don't want your culture propagating here.
Michjas (Phoenix)
This essay describes the arbitrary enforcement of the law, approaching utter lawlessness. Many Americans fear similar treatment when visiting Iran or North Korea. That our immigration policy toward Muslims is similar to some of the most arbitrary regimes in the world is a sad, sad statement about the rule of law in the U.S..
Jackie (USA)
This is not a hardship. I won't travel to England or France now because of terror warnings. Who wants to go to a country that is in a state of emergency like France because of Islamic terrorism?
I'm not whining about it. There are lots of other places to go. I just had a wonderful trip to Switzerland.
Crossing Overhead (In The Air)
Agreed, don't come if you're ire scared or too thin skinned.
Dr. Max Lennertz (Massachusetts)
@Jackie: You must be kidding. England and France are too dangerous to visit? Think the USA is safer? How about the Australian woman just murdered by the police in Minneapolis?
Fabien (Lausanne)
I really don't see the relation between both decisions, you decided not to visit those countries based on fear of random terrorist act, on the other hand they won't go to the US based on a hostile climate set up by the US governement itsef and targeting a specific population
In your case I would say not going to France or the UK based on a potential terrorist act is very shortsighted...
heyomania (doylestown, pa)
No sympathy here; no doubt Muslim travelers from abroad will find themselves under closer scrutiny than was the case before the age of Muslim terrorists kicked in with a vengeance. Government regulations regarding immigration and travel are blunt instruments, inconveniencing many. The object, of course, is to bar those who would do grievous harm to the innocent.
Steven (New York)
So Muslims are reluctant to travel to the US because of Trump?

Why don't you write a story about American's reluctance to travel to many cities in Europe (inc. Paris, Nice, London, Manchester, Brussels and Berlin) because of the growth of Islamic terror and extremism?

Indeed the US State Department issued a warning this year to Americans traveling there.
John (Virginia)
Actually, I returned from a two week trip to London this past June. No problems, other than the heat wave during the first week. I've made it a habit to studiously ignore State Department "warnings" about overseas travel. I get better information from the people who are actually natives of the countries I visit, to include those in Europe and the Middle East. They have a much better read on things.
Bob Rossi (Portland, Maine)
I'm happy if fellow Americans are reluctant to travel to those places due to irrational fears of terrorism. It means I won't encounter as many of them on my trips there.
Ellen (Seattle)
I did travel to Britain this past winter, intending to stay for a week to visit my in-laws. The British immigration officer made me prove I had a return ticket (in an age when there is no longer such a thing as a paper ticket), kept me waiting for quite some time, informed me smugly that he had placed the British stamp on the picture of the Declaration of Independence on my US passport because, as he said, "I thought that was a good place to put a British stamp", and told me my passport was defective and that I should get it replaced (funny, it works everywhere else). And I'm white, so I imagine it could have been a lot worse. I have traveled extensively in Europe and never had this problem anywhere else, but this is not the first time I have had difficulty in Britain.
Cher Lewis (Pietrasanta, italy)
Welcome to life as a black person in The United States of America, except it's not only at airports; rejected from houses, at schools, churches, restaurants; a big red line, drawn by very visible hands, on our never quite "acceptable visas".
Crossing Overhead (In The Air)
Cry us all a river.......
Petey tonei (Ma)
Even elite colleges are now saying downplay your Asian-ness. Brown people also confused as middle eastern or Mexicans. At least white Jews can breathe sigh of relief as they mingle in with white Christians. What kind of world are we creating for our children?