LeBron should just join the Warriors too.
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Loved this series. After almost win in game 3 and blowout by Cavs in game 4 I was very nervous about series outcome. Warriors are not a shoe in next year. They need a stronger inside presence both offensively and defensively. Injuries are unpredictable. KD's concentration and confidence in his outside shot was incredible.
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The stars certainly played well and all that but the games were won in margins. GS has bench players that made the difference.
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Somehow it seems that in professional football & certainly baseball spending loads of money to get the best of the best doesn't guarantee a title, but in the NBA perhaps because of fewer players on the field or court - it does. Whatever - as a sports fan, unless it is your home team that is the consistent champ - interest by fans is damaged when one team can so heavily load up with uber amounts of talent. The best & most exciting sporting events are when the winner is in doubt until the end. If the Warriors continue to dominate I can't see how this is good for the game.
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I believe LeBron is correct; these Warriors are built to last, hopefully for the next six or seven years. Hallelujah, they is fun to watch.
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Unselfish play. Yes, the Warriors are loaded with talent, but look at how they play: constant moving, constant screen setting, superstars who are self-sacrificing in how many minutes they play and how many shots they take. In an era when the world is so full of bloated selves, I love the fact that the Warriors don't have any. And although I agree LeBron is the best basketball player in the world, he is also bloated. He cannot single-handedly beat the Warriors; all he can do is be the king of the second best team in the NBA.
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It took a team (Golden State) to beat the best basketball player in the history of the NBA (James).
Cleveland has the biggest payroll in the NBA. But their team play is a failure in comparison to Golden State.
Maybe Kevin Durant proved that a team lead by a "Prime Minister" is more powerful than a team lead by a "King."
Cleveland has the biggest payroll in the NBA. But their team play is a failure in comparison to Golden State.
Maybe Kevin Durant proved that a team lead by a "Prime Minister" is more powerful than a team lead by a "King."
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I have to laugh when I read that basketball is much worse today than in the past because teams are "stacked" by high priced free agents. The comments become surreal when LeBron James is blamed for his near misses at the title.
The Warriors are not the invincible team they are portrayed to be because of their big three. It is the supporting cast that made the difference.
Is there any doubt that in a one-on-one matchup that LeBron James is a better scorer and finisher than Kevin Durrant ; that Kevin Love is better scorer than Klay Thompson (both can shoot the setup 3-pointer but the latter is the worst one-on-one finishers and foul creators on a drive to the basket and the former is one of the best offensive rebounders and an expert at drawing fouls); Kyrie Irving consistently outplays Steph Curry and is usually unstoppable on a drive to the basket. So if it were a three on three game Cleveland would have won.
The Warriors are weak in rebounding, especially offense rebounding.
The Warriors won because of their use of their bench, very much like the San Antonio Spurs,
The Warriors are not the invincible team they are portrayed to be because of their big three. It is the supporting cast that made the difference.
Is there any doubt that in a one-on-one matchup that LeBron James is a better scorer and finisher than Kevin Durrant ; that Kevin Love is better scorer than Klay Thompson (both can shoot the setup 3-pointer but the latter is the worst one-on-one finishers and foul creators on a drive to the basket and the former is one of the best offensive rebounders and an expert at drawing fouls); Kyrie Irving consistently outplays Steph Curry and is usually unstoppable on a drive to the basket. So if it were a three on three game Cleveland would have won.
The Warriors are weak in rebounding, especially offense rebounding.
The Warriors won because of their use of their bench, very much like the San Antonio Spurs,
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Foul!
The Warriors depend on the team. They've made no secret of that. Their motto in fact is "strength in numbers."
It's a red herring for you to throw that out and shoot it down as if you've come up with some clever argument. You should have learned that in high school.
The Warriors depend on the team. They've made no secret of that. Their motto in fact is "strength in numbers."
It's a red herring for you to throw that out and shoot it down as if you've come up with some clever argument. You should have learned that in high school.
I have never felt so much love, respect and gratitude for any other sports figure as I do for LeBron James.
When he led the Cavs to victory in '16 he said "This is for you Cleveland!"
His deep love and loyalty to Northeast Ohio and the young people who admire him has uplifted and inspired so many of us!
Thank You LeBron and all of the Cavs!
When he led the Cavs to victory in '16 he said "This is for you Cleveland!"
His deep love and loyalty to Northeast Ohio and the young people who admire him has uplifted and inspired so many of us!
Thank You LeBron and all of the Cavs!
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Free agency has allowed the Golden State Warriors to assemble what I consider to be the best team in NBA history. But I personally don't like it. I feel KD should maybe stick around for another title or two, then head back to Oklahoma like LBJ did to Cleveland. I think KD owes it to the fans (not to mention Russell Westbrook). Actually, had Harding remained in Oklahoma you might have had another dynasty powerful enough to counter the Warriors. But, as it stands, expect to see the Warriors dominating for the next 2-3 years.
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"king james?" good as he is, GOATs don't lose like this.
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Exactly right. GOATs don't like to lose and would have played harder. He's not hungry like Jordan always was, and Durant was to win his 1st.
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What are talking about? Is there some validity to the acronym GOATS over there in MA? If so share it. Are you trying to dehumanize him like you call yourself doing by not capitalizing his first name?
LeBron did all he Could do... but GSW had more ALL-Round guys as well as a bench they trust. The Cavs have weak links on D and not a great bench.
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Let me be clear. GWS is the best team thanks to Kerr, the owners and the team, but I have to say that LBJ is actually one of the most important players for the NBA.
He is playing and he is acting as NBA representative (and its business as well) in every single match. I love to see him playing but at the end of the match I am usually still chasing him to listen his words.
He is playing and he is acting as NBA representative (and its business as well) in every single match. I love to see him playing but at the end of the match I am usually still chasing him to listen his words.
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" James never slowed down in this series " ??? ... maybe not on offense but he was outplayed constantly by the faster and taller Durant. And in the last game there were a couple times where he didn't run down the court following the play. Lethargic defense, not just him but the whole team. Esp in game 5. No urgency what so ever.
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It's so amazing that James isn't in the conversation for MVP this year. He carried his team all season -- and through the playoffs. I'm a Warrior fan, but you have to give LeBron his props. True dat.
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A little off topic but it needs to be said.
The MVP of the finals gets the "Bill Russell" trophy which he is presents in person. Last night he was on the podium, as he's been for many years, and Durant gave him a warm handshake.
But, for God's sake, no one ever introduces Russell.
He's just on the stage like some tall older guy who wandered in. So, weird.
Next year, at least say "we are honored to have the greatest winner of all time here with us - 13 NBA seasons and 11 rings! - the former center of the Boston Celtics, Mr. Bill Russell.
It's just freakin courtesy and respect.
The only excuse not to is that maybe he asked them to not say it. Which I think we would have heard about.
The MVP of the finals gets the "Bill Russell" trophy which he is presents in person. Last night he was on the podium, as he's been for many years, and Durant gave him a warm handshake.
But, for God's sake, no one ever introduces Russell.
He's just on the stage like some tall older guy who wandered in. So, weird.
Next year, at least say "we are honored to have the greatest winner of all time here with us - 13 NBA seasons and 11 rings! - the former center of the Boston Celtics, Mr. Bill Russell.
It's just freakin courtesy and respect.
The only excuse not to is that maybe he asked them to not say it. Which I think we would have heard about.
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I agree. Durant should have been honored to share the stage with Russell and have their picture taken together. Instead, Durant stepped away to bask in the glory solo. I felt it was very disrespectful. The NBA treated its greatest living player like a prop. Shame on the league and Kevin Durant!
I am happy in a cruel way. After seeing today that these players are taking political positions, the lack of competitiveness will be me not miss anything NBA.
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Oh, I forgot about the NBA championships. Didn't watch a minute. And I'm a huge sports fan. When the NBA allows the teams to stack talent like GS does (you did it too, Lebron, in Miami), I check out. I'm interested in great talent and compelling games and without both, I'm not interested. With no real competition this year, I checked out of most of the games throughout the playoffs. That's not good for the NBA's bottom line. Neither are 4-game series's (a lot of lost revenue from those other 3 games).
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How is this different thank the Lakers and Cetics throughout much of the 80s?
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Three of the Warriors starters, Curry, Thompson and Green, were obtained through the draft. They won the title two years ago with a fourth player that was drafted, Harrison Barnes. This was after years in the cellar. This year, Pachulia and Durant were obtained via free agency.
Of the Showtime Lakers, only A.C. Green was obtained via a straightforward draft pick, the pick reflecting the Lakers' record.
Both Magic and James Worthy were obtained via trades with teams who gave them their No. 1 pick and then finished at the bottom of the standings. Byron Scott was obtained through a trade. Kareem was obtained through a trade -- finding your hometown too boring, I guess.
There are many ways to build a team, and the Warriors have been as effective in building their team from the draft and developing their players as any championship team. It's not how you get the players, it's what you do with them.
Of the Showtime Lakers, only A.C. Green was obtained via a straightforward draft pick, the pick reflecting the Lakers' record.
Both Magic and James Worthy were obtained via trades with teams who gave them their No. 1 pick and then finished at the bottom of the standings. Byron Scott was obtained through a trade. Kareem was obtained through a trade -- finding your hometown too boring, I guess.
There are many ways to build a team, and the Warriors have been as effective in building their team from the draft and developing their players as any championship team. It's not how you get the players, it's what you do with them.
I'm sorry but I' just tired of reading and hearing that LeBron has nothing to be ashamed of or does not have to apologize for (his performance). The fact is that he is a superior player but cannot live up to the standards set by MJ or Joe Montana. A transcendent player is not just superior but one who can lead his team to overcome overwhelming odds and deliver the ultimate prize in that sport. LBJ did not do that and he had 8 opportunities. Hall of Famer, yes but not the greatest. And to those who berate KD, I would pose this question. Would you leave your job for better pay and greater opportunities?
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Hey tma, you're comparing different athletes with different skill sets.
How about this? Name anybody who left a job for better pay and greater opportunity, won championships, then went back to lift up the team and town left behind and led them to a championship. And a championship they hadn't won in decades? Name one! LeBron is not only the greatest in this sense but an all around hero! Name another who's done it!! I'll be waiting.
How about this? Name anybody who left a job for better pay and greater opportunity, won championships, then went back to lift up the team and town left behind and led them to a championship. And a championship they hadn't won in decades? Name one! LeBron is not only the greatest in this sense but an all around hero! Name another who's done it!! I'll be waiting.
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Since when isn't James a de facto GM? He's used his superstar leverage to stack the deck around him for years, ever since his ludicrous machinations in Miami. This year's Cleveland roster was hand-picked by James, and wildly overpaid by their hapless sap of an owner.
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The de facto GM, as you claim, got paid, but the real GMs of both Miami and Cleveland made out like fat rats...getting paid for hardly doing anything. Pretty easy money if you ask me.
I love that the Warriors built this team. NBA basketball IS a zero sum game. The idea is to win, not come in second or last. LeBron has two problems, first He plays in the East, and second, he needs to cede to more savvy basketball people to build a team. He can't play, be GM and coach. He could achieve a triple double every night, but it don't matter if you don't win. MJ would have never allowed his team to be down 0-3 in the finals. I hope all this talk about who's better is over.
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MJ never played against a team like the Warriors when he was 32
That is one lop-sided, narrow minded way of looking at it.
Winning is the goal, but when you come in second you have to be gracious and congratulatory to the other team, and the CAVS did that as they showed great sportsmanship!
Look at it this way bk; two winning teams ended up in the championship game and one of those teams got the title.
Winning is the goal, but when you come in second you have to be gracious and congratulatory to the other team, and the CAVS did that as they showed great sportsmanship!
Look at it this way bk; two winning teams ended up in the championship game and one of those teams got the title.
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I'm a sports fan who didn't watch a single NBA game this year. It is not as fun as the NFL where every team can make it to the Super Bowl with good drafting, good free agent signings, and good coaching.
The NBA is a system that allows stars to stockpile themselves on the same team. Why even get excited about your team when it all boils down to 4-5 players' decisions about where to play?
I'll be satisfied with my memories of Larry Bird, Dave Cowens, Abdul-Jabbar, Magic, and Michael Jordan. That's when the NBA was fun.
The NBA is a system that allows stars to stockpile themselves on the same team. Why even get excited about your team when it all boils down to 4-5 players' decisions about where to play?
I'll be satisfied with my memories of Larry Bird, Dave Cowens, Abdul-Jabbar, Magic, and Michael Jordan. That's when the NBA was fun.
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It seems like you are trying to have it both ways. You decry the NBA as being too stacked and then express nostalgia for a team as stacked as Kareem's Lakers and Bird's Celtics. Those teams had multiple hall of famers and were dominant.
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If LeBron wants to win a NBA championship, he can always join the Warriors. At a greatly reduced salary, of course.
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Likely Lakers would fit James more, they are young, scrappy and on the rise but then he would leave Irving, Love behind. Off season will be interesting.
That would never work. Too many other egos to contend with.
As a Warriors fan, I have loads of respect for lebron. The man flat brings it. But part of success is luck, and he hasn't always had the best of it. One thing to consider when you compare supporting casts, is that the Warriors would be a heck of a team even without Durant. Good enough to make the Finals? Probably not, but the only team that I'd bet on over them would be the Spurs. So OTOH if you took Lebron off the Cavs, they'd be lucky to make it out of the second round and would be roadkill to anyone in West.
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After watching the finals, I must say that Lebron is the best player on planet earth. While he has been hurt by the constant "coronation" as someone put it, being a media sensation earns him millions of dollars. So I am sure he can endure the "pain" of listening to his critics babble non stop in silly debate shows. I was sitting on the couch with my son, just like I did in the 90s watching Jordan, and I am truly grateful to the NBA for an opportunity to enjoy the show which is Lebron James. I cannot believe the man will play his 15th season next year. In my opinion his game looks like he is in his mid 20s. Whether in Cleveland or Los Angeles or wherever the man goes, next year this Spaniard will be there watching. Success to the king in his future endeavours.
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It is a game, a sport. Watch and enjoy. Skip all the melodrama of who said what to whom, of who is the greatest of all time, of whose winning percentage in the finals is highest, et cetera, et cetera.
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With so much ego and self confidence oozing across the playing floor, I couldn't wish that time could pass faster so true play could be enjoyed.
The acting abilities, combined with a sense of greatness, detracts from the agame as I feel it should be defined. Yet, we see the NFL now endorsing all sorts of dancing and celebration upon scoring to raise the entertainment value of the game and help staunch the abandonment by paying fans. Let's see real sportsmanship, respect for the other players (even on their own team) and not reward the ego that goes with talent.
The acting abilities, combined with a sense of greatness, detracts from the agame as I feel it should be defined. Yet, we see the NFL now endorsing all sorts of dancing and celebration upon scoring to raise the entertainment value of the game and help staunch the abandonment by paying fans. Let's see real sportsmanship, respect for the other players (even on their own team) and not reward the ego that goes with talent.
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How about actually watching the games and listening to the players? I never heard anything but respect coming from LeBron, Curry, or Kevin Durant during this series. LeBron gave a big hug to Durant at the end of the game. None of the Warriors said this was an easy series. The only bit of hubris was a shortlived tweet from J.R. Smith after Cleveland went down 0-3, "Cleveland in 7."
Of course these guys are confident. They have to be to play at this level against competition this difficult.
Of course these guys are confident. They have to be to play at this level against competition this difficult.
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If James had any pride or any shame, he would slither quietly into the night. Then we wouldn't have to witness the sorry sight of him berating the zebras on every call or no-call. WTF does he thing he is?
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Through the magic of 24/7 coverage, the sports industry has conditioned fans to view the games through the lens of a team GM. Everyone takes fan-unfriendly concepts like salary caps and restricted free agency as strategic elements of the game, ignoring the fact that such rules simply protect profits for owners. And now the sports talk obsession has turned its attention to what LaBron, with or without the Cavaliers, must do to secure his next championship, as though players are simply chess pieces to be moved strategically..
What is abundantly clear is that most of the people doing the talking are not real athletes and perhaps not even real sports fans. People with a first hand understanding of sport witnessed a noble battle between two talented teams. Immediately after the game you saw the mutual respect among the players in their congratulations and embraces. The Cavaliers did not get swept, whipped or humiliated. Games 3-5 were hotly contested and game 3 simply slipped out of Cleveland's grasp through a couple of missed shots.
LeBron has nothing to apologize for and probably would love to have another go against the Warriors ASAP. He never once played like he was outmanned or expected to lose.
Real players play the games between the lines. All of this idiotic punditry is simply a way to fill air time and amuse those who cannot run, jump or shoot.
Congrats to both teams for a great series!
What is abundantly clear is that most of the people doing the talking are not real athletes and perhaps not even real sports fans. People with a first hand understanding of sport witnessed a noble battle between two talented teams. Immediately after the game you saw the mutual respect among the players in their congratulations and embraces. The Cavaliers did not get swept, whipped or humiliated. Games 3-5 were hotly contested and game 3 simply slipped out of Cleveland's grasp through a couple of missed shots.
LeBron has nothing to apologize for and probably would love to have another go against the Warriors ASAP. He never once played like he was outmanned or expected to lose.
Real players play the games between the lines. All of this idiotic punditry is simply a way to fill air time and amuse those who cannot run, jump or shoot.
Congrats to both teams for a great series!
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The best thing is that we got to watch great basketball played by great players, without referee "interference" and injuries. The Oakland Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers have been the best thing since the Red Sox beat the Yankees in the 2004 Playoffs, though in no sense did the Cavs choke as the Bronx Bunglers did.
I found myself in the unusual position of simultaneously wanting the Warriors to win every game yet wanting the Cavs to win one or two, so I could watch some more. What real sports fan in his or her right mind would not want to watch more of LeBron and Kyrie do their thing while Steve Kerr adapted a defense to contain them. Speaking of Kerr, I would encourage those who have not seen it to read the Times article on him last year: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/sports/basketball/steve-kerr-golden-s...
When I watch or play sports, I do not want to know anything about what the players are like off the field. For me, such negatively changes the dynamics of my involvement, the appreciation and enjoyment of athletic skill and competitive sports. That said, it is impossible to ignore the fact that the Dubs are an unusually decent bunch of guys.
I found myself in the unusual position of simultaneously wanting the Warriors to win every game yet wanting the Cavs to win one or two, so I could watch some more. What real sports fan in his or her right mind would not want to watch more of LeBron and Kyrie do their thing while Steve Kerr adapted a defense to contain them. Speaking of Kerr, I would encourage those who have not seen it to read the Times article on him last year: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/sports/basketball/steve-kerr-golden-s...
When I watch or play sports, I do not want to know anything about what the players are like off the field. For me, such negatively changes the dynamics of my involvement, the appreciation and enjoyment of athletic skill and competitive sports. That said, it is impossible to ignore the fact that the Dubs are an unusually decent bunch of guys.
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This year's Cleveland Cavalier's are the most amazing team I can remember seeing in modern times . . . except for this year's Golden State Warriors.
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Basketbrawl.
Go back to a less physical more agile game with guile, speed and shooting, and it would not boil down to who has the biggest bruiser swinging his elbows in the lane. That, and make players have to dribble the ball (no free step before you start dribbling), no three steps on a "continuation" drive, no hand checking, no woofing in your opponents (and referees face) and more teams would have a chance to win.
Notice that Wilt did not win every year back in the day. It's just Rugby now.
Go back to a less physical more agile game with guile, speed and shooting, and it would not boil down to who has the biggest bruiser swinging his elbows in the lane. That, and make players have to dribble the ball (no free step before you start dribbling), no three steps on a "continuation" drive, no hand checking, no woofing in your opponents (and referees face) and more teams would have a chance to win.
Notice that Wilt did not win every year back in the day. It's just Rugby now.
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That isn't true. They used to allow you to get away with far more contact. You could hand check and beat the hell out of guys in the lane. A team like the Bad Boys could never exist today. They'd all foul out in the first three minutes and guys like Mahorn and Lambeir would be getting thrown out right and left.
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It's 2017 dude. The Detroit Bad Boyz are history. The Warriors have better shooting than anyone else. They pass better than anyone else. Curry had no-look passes equal to anything Magic did.
While maybe you have some points about the carrying, that's been going for at least 20 years. And somehow the Warriors manage to defend those teams well anyway.
While maybe you have some points about the carrying, that's been going for at least 20 years. And somehow the Warriors manage to defend those teams well anyway.
Wilt did not win every year for one reason: Bill Russell. A more interesting question is whether the great Lakers teams of Jerry West and Elgin Baylor or the Royals teams of Oscar Robertson would have prevailed against Boston in a 3-point field goal league. I don't understand your comment It's just Rugby now." If you mean its now more rough and tumble then I think the exact opposite is true. In a center-dominated, hand-checking era in the past the rough play was pervasive and the driving lane was almost impenetrable . Nowadays, because of the threat of the 3 point shot kick-out and an offense requiring a switching defense, the driving layup is accessible and relatively painless.
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I didn't bother to even watch the finals. What is the fun of watching a team that purchases great talent to win, instead of building a team. What's the fun of watching a "King James" - truly a great player but in my world tainted by the media's "coronation" and ceaseless accolades and focus on him at the expense of the great diversity of talent in the NBA. Hoping the NBA can do something to prevent teams from "stacking the deck" in order to win. For me, how you build your team and how you play is more important than simply winning.
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"Purchasing" great talent suggests that the Warriors paid OKC to get Durant. That was not the case. Durant chose to go to the Warriors of his own volition. Perhaps he did see a team of superstars that he could win with. Or maybe he didn't like OKC. Maybe he didn't get along with Westbrooke. Other teams I'm sure through heaps of money at him, but if went there, he could then be accused of being slave to money. The guy can't win, no matter what, so he might as well take the NBA title, thank you.
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5 teams passed on drafting Steph Curry before the Warriors chose him; 10 on Clay Thompson; 25 on Draymond Green. This is the epitome of "building a team," not buying one, and of course it involved some luck. Kevin Durant wanted in on the team's philosophy of team-ness first - note the number of assists on the Warriors side of the ledger vs Cleveland. I note a lot of sour grapes out there. Clearly the Warriors deserved to win. This doesn't mean they'll always win: a healthy team isn't guaranteed in the rough and tumble world of NBA. For now, just enjoy this rare transcendent, talented group.
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Teams have STACKED THE DECK for decades. REALLY? This ain't NEW. There's a CAP so.... it's not like BASEBALL where $$$ means some teams always are a contender and many have maybe a 2-3 yr window.
How about putting these super teams a bit off balance in the playoffs by alternating playoff games in each series between those that allow the 3-point shot and those that don't? It would make the games more interesting and might lead to some delightful upsets, to say nothing of forcing teams to drive to the basket. After all, the World Series switches between NL and AL rules on the designated hitter, so why couldn't basketball do something similar? For my money there was just way too much shooting from "downtown" in these NBA finals. Oh that kills offense you say? Please remember Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points in a game in 1962 before this three-point stuff was invented. OR - if you love the three-pointer - OK then let's add a 4-pointer from way out in the suburbs, just for the playoffs.
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To all in the media who said LeBron was tired and playing on wobbly legs: "...the first player to average a triple double in the finals, and his 41 points, 13 rebounds, and 8 assists on Monday..."
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It seems worth noting that these giant, aggressive basketball stars love to hold their babies. Few other sports celebrations have this charming contrast.
two teams that are good in the nba . i remember when all the nba teams were good.. not anymore , championships are not as wonderful as they once were .
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I am sure he's thinking, "Why can't I join the Warriors?" Wahhhhh!
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I was thinking Why can't I join the Warriors. After all everyone wants to!
These comments are simply amazing. What's wrong with you people!?
You had the opportunity to witness basketball at its best. Played by the two best teams. Period. I've been watching basketball since Wilt C and Bill R were playing and I am thrilled that I am still here to see this level of excellence in this magnificent game.
If you are griping about KD having left the Thunder to pursue the dream of HIS lifetime, not yours - you need to get a life. Where are you when he is in the gym working day after day? Where are you when he has to recover from injury? He DESERVED a ring! That he made a decision to put himself in a better position to get one makes perfect sense to me. These players are not slaves, they are professionals. They should be allowed to work where the benefits are the greatest for them.
You all need to thank your lucky stars that there are so many outstanding players today (not all of them played in the finals) and apply yourselves in your own jobs half as hard as they do in theirs.
My favorite team is the Spurs, by the way, but I LOVE BASKETBALL and I want to see the very best teams play at the top of their games. Period.
This finals turned out to be fantastic. Thank you Dubs and Cavs.
You had the opportunity to witness basketball at its best. Played by the two best teams. Period. I've been watching basketball since Wilt C and Bill R were playing and I am thrilled that I am still here to see this level of excellence in this magnificent game.
If you are griping about KD having left the Thunder to pursue the dream of HIS lifetime, not yours - you need to get a life. Where are you when he is in the gym working day after day? Where are you when he has to recover from injury? He DESERVED a ring! That he made a decision to put himself in a better position to get one makes perfect sense to me. These players are not slaves, they are professionals. They should be allowed to work where the benefits are the greatest for them.
You all need to thank your lucky stars that there are so many outstanding players today (not all of them played in the finals) and apply yourselves in your own jobs half as hard as they do in theirs.
My favorite team is the Spurs, by the way, but I LOVE BASKETBALL and I want to see the very best teams play at the top of their games. Period.
This finals turned out to be fantastic. Thank you Dubs and Cavs.
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Golden State improved because LeBron forced them to when he led the Cavs to the title last year. The superteam isn't new, but Boston in 2007 went from the lottery to champions in one year when they formed a Big 3 of Pierce, Garnett & Ray Allen (with a young Rondo). Note that this Boston team beat LeBrons overmatched teams in the 2008 & 2010 playoffs. LeBron (a very bright guy) knew that as great as he is, he needed to form a Big 3 to get out of the east & back to the Finals. So he joined forces with Wade & Bosh (both not only AllStars but Olympians, & in Wade's case already a Finals MVP in 2006), and playing with quality teammates he elevated them to make 4 straight Finals, winning back to back titles.
When he returned to Cleveland in 2014 the Cavs had Kyrie Irving and LeBron knew he needed another All Star to form a Big 3 to battle San Antonio's Duncan/Leonard/Parker trio (that beat Miami's Big 3 in the 2014 Finals), so the team traded for Kevin Love -- & he again had two more Olympians beside him. 3 straight Finals ensued, one title (so far).
After last year the Warriors knew they had to upgrade/sign Durant because of Cleveland's big 3 & epic comeback, so now it's Cleveland's turn.
We should not be surprised if Wade & Blake Griffin or other similarly talented players are playing for Cleveland on (inexpensive) 1 year deals next season.
The Warriors are the most talented team in the league. Right now. A lot can happen over the summer,as Durant reminded us last year.
When he returned to Cleveland in 2014 the Cavs had Kyrie Irving and LeBron knew he needed another All Star to form a Big 3 to battle San Antonio's Duncan/Leonard/Parker trio (that beat Miami's Big 3 in the 2014 Finals), so the team traded for Kevin Love -- & he again had two more Olympians beside him. 3 straight Finals ensued, one title (so far).
After last year the Warriors knew they had to upgrade/sign Durant because of Cleveland's big 3 & epic comeback, so now it's Cleveland's turn.
We should not be surprised if Wade & Blake Griffin or other similarly talented players are playing for Cleveland on (inexpensive) 1 year deals next season.
The Warriors are the most talented team in the league. Right now. A lot can happen over the summer,as Durant reminded us last year.
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There is no way under the current cap structure for Cleveland or any other team to sign players who would make them competitive with GS. That's not to criticize the salary cap system, but it is to recognize that the sudden extra infusion of tv revenue that made it possible to sign KD while keeping the core of the GS team together put GS in a position to dominate the league. Unlike Durant, Curry, and Thompson, Wade is a poor shooter who was great because when he was young he could get to the rim and the league hadn't yet realized the true value of the three point shot If Wade could shoot from outside, the Heat would have won four titles with James instead of two. Griffin is an even worse fit; he needs the ball almost as much as Carmelo, There is no way to put together a team that will beat GS unless GS implodes or suffers debilitating injuries.
Thank you Marcus, for the well stated truth and the history lesson. Folks keep forgetting.
And BTW, NYC...my kind of town!
And BTW, NYC...my kind of town!
I EXPECT the Cavs look to trade K Love for George or Butler, then add a "ring chser" big man, maybe a ace D guard. GSW will look to add a depth guy or two, and like the Cavs won't be able to Throw big $. Boston CAN spend and has the #1 pick. Several teams (Rockets,Clips,Raps,Wiz are good enough to "get lucky" and take a big step. That said....... Talent like LeBron, Durant,Curry ain't growin' on trees. Who's the NEXT GREAT player? We may not know right away.
I thought this was a fantastic Finals, even though 3 of the games had large margins. Cleveland may have won every other Finals for the last 30 years the way they played. Except this one. I hope for next season that Golden State stays intact and healthy, that Cleveland finds a way to get a little bit better and deeper and stay healthy and that one other team in each conference finds a way to make a big step forward so both the conference finals and the league finals will be showdowns. I know that kind of imbalance makes the earlier playoff rounds somewhat irrelevant but there are still good series between 3 & 6 seeds and 4 &5 seeds (teams have to start out somewhere) and I'm willing to make the trade-off for the extremely high level of play that this Finals yielded.
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Not to take anything away from LeBron and his teammates, but it seems to me the essential difference between the Cavs and Warriors was that while the Cav's are "LeBron's team", the Warriors are Steve Kerr's and his underlying organization. LeBron seems to best function in an organization in which he's de-facto coach and g.m. That's been admittedly good for Cleveland, but how long can that last.
He's probably his own, long term career's worst enemy. Keeping himself in for close to 45 minutes each game is no recipe for a Tim Duncan or Ginobili-like longevity. I think one reason Curry, Green and Thompson used last summer to persuade K.D. to join them may have been: "Look we can win as we are, but at a physical price.With you on board, we can all add four or five years to our playing careers.
He's probably his own, long term career's worst enemy. Keeping himself in for close to 45 minutes each game is no recipe for a Tim Duncan or Ginobili-like longevity. I think one reason Curry, Green and Thompson used last summer to persuade K.D. to join them may have been: "Look we can win as we are, but at a physical price.With you on board, we can all add four or five years to our playing careers.
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Oh please. Steve Kerr is a superb coach, but give him any other team in the league and he'd have been watching GS play Cleveland in the finals on TV. Steve Kerr has the best group of players ever to grace a basketball court in the three point era; that's the real story in the GS victory. All credit to the players.
If you think LeBron should not have been on the court for 40+ minutes a game, maybe you'd like to tell us who should have taken his place. And then you may want to explain the plus minus differential between the Cavs with LeBron on the court and LeBron on the bench. The reality is simple -- GS had a much better group of players in what is and always will be a team sport. LeBron did all that he could, and that it was not enough is neither his fault nor a tribute to Steve Kerr; it's a tribute to the exceptional skill of the GS players.
If you think LeBron should not have been on the court for 40+ minutes a game, maybe you'd like to tell us who should have taken his place. And then you may want to explain the plus minus differential between the Cavs with LeBron on the court and LeBron on the bench. The reality is simple -- GS had a much better group of players in what is and always will be a team sport. LeBron did all that he could, and that it was not enough is neither his fault nor a tribute to Steve Kerr; it's a tribute to the exceptional skill of the GS players.
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James scored a lot, but his energy was patchy. Clearly he wisely paced himself a lot, probably hoping he could surge in the 4th, but that would require stopping GSWs scoring as well as driving for 2 pointers at will.
His loss of the ball out of bounds in the final minutes was a big mistake as was his passivity at times seeking rebounds. Durant - in contrast- never let up on offense or defense.
Age is a bummer....but it seems despite triple doubles, James pooped out.
His loss of the ball out of bounds in the final minutes was a big mistake as was his passivity at times seeking rebounds. Durant - in contrast- never let up on offense or defense.
Age is a bummer....but it seems despite triple doubles, James pooped out.
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I'd say this loss was not a Lebron James issues, nor was it really an issue of Irving. This was an issue of Cavaliers having a terrible bench, and in key moment a coach that made terrible decisions. For example, JR Smith shot 5 of 6 3-pointers, and the coach couldn't make the team to pass JR the ball. The guy is red-hot. Get him the ball. But every time JR got the ball, it seemed as if by accident. No one was really looking for him. That's a bad coaching job.
As for the bench, you have guys that didn't score at all, or missed all their shots. I think Derron Williams scored two buckets in game 4...that was it for the entire series. Even Kevin Love, who is not a bench player, scored only 4 points i think in game 5. That's unacceptable for a guy making $21 million. I might have done better and I am only 5'7''.
As for the bench, you have guys that didn't score at all, or missed all their shots. I think Derron Williams scored two buckets in game 4...that was it for the entire series. Even Kevin Love, who is not a bench player, scored only 4 points i think in game 5. That's unacceptable for a guy making $21 million. I might have done better and I am only 5'7''.
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The Warriors' win shows the NBA needs a much better salary cap system. The Finals are getting increasingly lame...We could have skipped this entire two months of blow-out playoff games, and gone straight to this series. The Warriors couldn't have NOT won a title with that roster, and the NBA should never have allowed such a concentration of talent on GS' roster.
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This isn't a cap issue. Cleveland had the number one payroll in the league. Golden State was 14th. Teams like the Knicks spent more money.
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Careful ChapelThrill... Stating the facts truthfully, as you did, means nothing in 2017. It's the era of strongly held beliefs and feelings, punctuated with exclamations points, and totally unencumbered by any need to be accurate. You're in danger of sounding so 2015.
Keep it up!
Keep it up!
Everybody mention's LeBron's dunk on Andre Iguodala last year. But Iguodala's back was hurt, and the guy could hardly walk. Would a healthy Iguodala have been a step faster, or dunked it? That's what he did this year, and LeBron stepped out of the way and chose not to contest multiple dunks.
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BronBron lost me when he did that "Not one, not two, not three..." schtick about how many titles he would win. I don't care who he play, I'm happy when he loses. He's got a couple of rings and lots of money, he'll be fine.
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Congrats to the Dubs and Hats off to the Cavs. They kept it close with two all-stars in LJ and KI, a mediocre forward in Love and bunch of stew bums supporting them. The Cavs have a stupendously poor bench.
It was amazing that they could stay even close.
And to finally see KD win a title was justice and the MVP award, much to the chagrin of Curry.
It was amazing that they could stay even close.
And to finally see KD win a title was justice and the MVP award, much to the chagrin of Curry.
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"chagrin" of Curry???? You don't have a clue, mister, about what it means to Curry and everyone else on this team to work TOGETHER for a common goal. Let me guess: you're an american.
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All he had to do was not do "The Decision" and he might be the most popular player of all time. Don't really see why he'd leave Cleveland yet if he still wants to go to the finals. No better place to compete for chips. Cut your pay and recruit someone to join your team. Just don't join GS...
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Only player to average a triple double in the NBA Finals. LeBron will quite possibly finish his career as the best that ever played.
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Lebron is a gift to the NBA. Sensible, humble and an incredible player. If he had Jordan's rosters, he would have done as well at the least.
The finals MVP rarely goes to a player on the losing team. But LeBron played well enough for that to happen. James continues to play at a very, very high level.
Golden State won because they have a better team concept provided by their GM, consultant Jerry West, and Coach Steve Kerr. Durant fit in seamlessly, thus they are a juggernaut.
The Cavaliers are a mishmash of talented players. James could be helped by a point guard distributor. But Kyrie Irving thinks shoot first. The other Cavs, particularly the wing players, have deficiencies or are old.
The Cavaliers are a synthetic team, as if they were put together by an algorithm at Quicken Loans (the owner's business which does internet mortgages).
At this stage with his body aging, LeBron needs help and stewardship from management. He knows this. James won a championship for Cleveland and came close twice. He paid his due bill. Hence, he will leave again.
Could you imagine him with Coach Pop and Kawhi Leonard? LeBron would have another opportunity for a title. He won't with the Cavs.
Before the recent desecration of his Los Angeles home, there was speculation he would sign with the Lakers to further his interest in the entertainment industry. He may still, given that Earvin Johnson is now running the Lakers.
LeBron James sees the writing on the wall. He won't stay in Cleveland.
Golden State won because they have a better team concept provided by their GM, consultant Jerry West, and Coach Steve Kerr. Durant fit in seamlessly, thus they are a juggernaut.
The Cavaliers are a mishmash of talented players. James could be helped by a point guard distributor. But Kyrie Irving thinks shoot first. The other Cavs, particularly the wing players, have deficiencies or are old.
The Cavaliers are a synthetic team, as if they were put together by an algorithm at Quicken Loans (the owner's business which does internet mortgages).
At this stage with his body aging, LeBron needs help and stewardship from management. He knows this. James won a championship for Cleveland and came close twice. He paid his due bill. Hence, he will leave again.
Could you imagine him with Coach Pop and Kawhi Leonard? LeBron would have another opportunity for a title. He won't with the Cavs.
Before the recent desecration of his Los Angeles home, there was speculation he would sign with the Lakers to further his interest in the entertainment industry. He may still, given that Earvin Johnson is now running the Lakers.
LeBron James sees the writing on the wall. He won't stay in Cleveland.
The Warriors definetely were built to last. Last night Lebron James, Kyrie Irving, and J.R. Smith were all playing some of the best basketball of their life yet they still lost. With KD's amazing offence and defense due to his high stature and amazing jumping ability makes the Warrior's a much more formidable team then they were before. Having players such as Klay Thomson and Steph Curry, the Splash brothers, also makes the Warriors a force to be reckoned with. With such an amazing, gifted team such as this, the Warrior's were definetely "Built to Last."
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Durant's contract ends next year. He knows that people criticize him for creating a stacked team, just as LeBron did in Miami. LeBron returned home for the ultimate challenge. Durant is from DC, where the Wizzards are already a playoff team headed by all star John Wall. If Durant went to Washington, he and his mother would be returning home, and he would be facing a far greater challenge to test his abilities. The Wizzards have the cap space, they have the guard play, and with Durant and lesser personnel changes,they could get there. Most of Golden State's bench will be free agents this year. If Durant leavesr, we would have a competitive NBA back. I predicted the Warriors in 4 or 5 this year. You could tell they were going to win yesterday with 6 minutes left, even though they were ahead by less than 10. When you can reliably predict the outcone in sports, that's no good. Durant should move to a lesser team for his own benefit and the benefit of the League.
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Durant's already done his missionary work. He wants to be part of a dynasty. The Warriors are moving in that direction, and are fun to play for. If Durant leaves now, it will reinforce the notion that he came to the Warriors as a mercenary. My guess is that he'll go back to Washington upon retirement and coach there.
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Durant has forced an imminent decision on himself by signing a two year contract. He certainly hasn't committed to Golden State in the long run. But he has talked about taking a lesser salary to keep the team together. He was equaly ambiguous when he left OKC. I don;t think we'll know his plans until we know his plans.
Lebron should sign with the Warriors, creating a super team and insuring he wins plenty of championships.
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Why play the NBA season at all? The players collude during the off season to determine which teams will make the Finals. I'm all for free agency for the players, but making deals with each other to form "super teams" has destroyed any competition in pro basketball.
What's the big deal?
GSW and CLE each went out and bought one superstar.
CLE bought Lebron, and GSW bought KD.
GSW front office just did a fantastic job with drafting (Curry, Green, K Thompson), and with adding role players. And with hiring of a great head coach (Kerr) and staff (Adams, Brown).
Big ups to Jerry West, Bob Myers and ownership.
GSW and CLE each went out and bought one superstar.
CLE bought Lebron, and GSW bought KD.
GSW front office just did a fantastic job with drafting (Curry, Green, K Thompson), and with adding role players. And with hiring of a great head coach (Kerr) and staff (Adams, Brown).
Big ups to Jerry West, Bob Myers and ownership.
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The difference is Lebron went to a team with so so talent. KD went to a team loaded with talent. Lebron winning last year was NOT a foregone conclusion whereas KD's was a GIVEN. KD did the easy thing. Granted he's free to do that but the fans of 29 teams have NO reason to tune into any regular season games next year. Let's see how attendance does around the league next year.
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thanks for the reply.
LBJ loves his Cleveland, but he wasn't going back unless there was a super team waiting for him there.
And he got it........Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and JR Smith. That's a powerful team. Don't forget GSW was considering trading K Thompson for K Love.
LBJ thought he was going to win for sure.he just didn't reckon on GSW drafting so well (Curry, Thompson, Green).
The league has plenty of quality........Boston, SA, Cle. And free agents will redistribute talent around league.
NBA did not die when Boston/Lakers won every year.
And it didn't die when the Bulls had absolutely zero competition for 6 championships (Bulls never played a team as talented as this year's Cavs).
Dynasties make great villains, and it's not even clear yet that GSW will be a dynasty yet.
BTW, sorry about the Nets.
LBJ loves his Cleveland, but he wasn't going back unless there was a super team waiting for him there.
And he got it........Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love and JR Smith. That's a powerful team. Don't forget GSW was considering trading K Thompson for K Love.
LBJ thought he was going to win for sure.he just didn't reckon on GSW drafting so well (Curry, Thompson, Green).
The league has plenty of quality........Boston, SA, Cle. And free agents will redistribute talent around league.
NBA did not die when Boston/Lakers won every year.
And it didn't die when the Bulls had absolutely zero competition for 6 championships (Bulls never played a team as talented as this year's Cavs).
Dynasties make great villains, and it's not even clear yet that GSW will be a dynasty yet.
BTW, sorry about the Nets.
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Awesome series and playoff run for James and a world-beating performance by the Warriors. Durant was amazing and earned the MVP.
In my opinion, the Cavs need to find a wing who can play lock-down defense and who shoots at least the league average for threes. (I wish them good luck finding such a player.)
Cleveland also needs to find a way not to be so awful when James rests. When James rested, the Cavs basically played at the level of a lower lottery tier team, which meant he couldn't rest and had to pace himself on defense more than I'm sure he was hoping to. The Cavs were something like 0-8 when James didn't play this year and their +/- over 100 possessions was on par with the Knicks. That is inexcusable.
In my opinion, the Cavs need to find a wing who can play lock-down defense and who shoots at least the league average for threes. (I wish them good luck finding such a player.)
Cleveland also needs to find a way not to be so awful when James rests. When James rested, the Cavs basically played at the level of a lower lottery tier team, which meant he couldn't rest and had to pace himself on defense more than I'm sure he was hoping to. The Cavs were something like 0-8 when James didn't play this year and their +/- over 100 possessions was on par with the Knicks. That is inexcusable.
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As a west coast fan I really enjoy the comments from your readers. Many of the comments are well thought out and not just emotional reactions so I am a bit surprised. I would also like to add that the Warriors went through 20-25 years of bottom of the barrel teams in which they made the playoffs only a few times during that period. The only thing that fans had to celebrate was in 2005 when as a number 8 seed the Warriors beat the number 1 seed. I believe the turnaround is purely due to a much better management from top to bottom that led to getting better players. Steve Kerr as coach and the new management has implemented a great system (note Coach Walton and Brown took over the reins while Kerr was recovering from serious back ailments) and actually did better than kerr. So I give a shout out to Steve Kerr, Lacob, Guber, etal. and the management for the turnaround.
Wes from SF Bay Area
Wes from SF Bay Area
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This great team vs great team reminds me of my Celtics maneuvering to keep up with the phenomenal Magic/Kareem/Worthy Lakers. Seeing the best compete against the best is really desirable.
The NBA "issue" is not "super teams". It is not the boring regular season, which has very often been boring to non-core-fans.
The issue in the NBA is way-too-many playoff teams that just are a useless waste of time.
Cut the playoff teams from 16 to 8. Eliminate 8 non-watchable playoff series, and then make the regular season count.
Further, no lottery. Give the top draft pick in this order of finishing record
1- 8th best team, ie last in, to the best of either East or West conference, so if you are just not good, then compete to be 8th at least and get a 1 pick
2 - 8th best team on the 2nd best conference
3 - 9th best team - 1st best conference
4 - etc...
The NBA "issue" is not "super teams". It is not the boring regular season, which has very often been boring to non-core-fans.
The issue in the NBA is way-too-many playoff teams that just are a useless waste of time.
Cut the playoff teams from 16 to 8. Eliminate 8 non-watchable playoff series, and then make the regular season count.
Further, no lottery. Give the top draft pick in this order of finishing record
1- 8th best team, ie last in, to the best of either East or West conference, so if you are just not good, then compete to be 8th at least and get a 1 pick
2 - 8th best team on the 2nd best conference
3 - 9th best team - 1st best conference
4 - etc...
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What a great series - even though it only went 5 games, they were exhilarating to watch. It's not only that the level of play was astronomically high, but the level of effort and the pace matched it as well. I have never seen anything like it; it seemed like a different sport than the high 80's / low 90's slugfests of the NBA's 1990s heyday.
One thing about the coverage that I found amusing is the constant reference to the Warriors as a "super team" which calls into question the structure of the CBA and so much more. The implication seemed to be that they were an assembled band of mercenaries. But, they really just had one key free agent - Durant (a big one, admittedly). The rest of the core were drafted - Curry, Thompson, Green. So the reality was that they were more homegrown than the Cavs, where essentially all of their key players other than Irving were acquired in free agency or trades - James, Love, JR Smith, Korver, and so on. But who am I to get in the way of a great narrative? It all made for such excellent theater.
One thing about the coverage that I found amusing is the constant reference to the Warriors as a "super team" which calls into question the structure of the CBA and so much more. The implication seemed to be that they were an assembled band of mercenaries. But, they really just had one key free agent - Durant (a big one, admittedly). The rest of the core were drafted - Curry, Thompson, Green. So the reality was that they were more homegrown than the Cavs, where essentially all of their key players other than Irving were acquired in free agency or trades - James, Love, JR Smith, Korver, and so on. But who am I to get in the way of a great narrative? It all made for such excellent theater.
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As fans, regardless of which team we support, I feel we are particularly fortunate to have the current stars be so accessible, so articulate in sharing their feelings and thoughts with us - it's just an enormous pleasure to hear and see James and Durant and many of the other competitors share the richest of competitive sports experience with us! I love all these guys.
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That over the top rally fiasco in Miami, when he let his usually in check and relatively slight hubris get away from him, not withstanding, LeBron James since the age of 18 has been the class, conscience and king of basketball. Knowledgeable of its history, players and according it lots of due dignity and respect.
Recognized worldwide - so talented he is.
I was rooting for the Warriors but I recognize a man who has held the sport on his back like an Atlas for our time.
Long live LeBron.
Recognized worldwide - so talented he is.
I was rooting for the Warriors but I recognize a man who has held the sport on his back like an Atlas for our time.
Long live LeBron.
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Before anyone prepares multiple trophies in advance for the Warriors, let's first see what the off season has in store. Golden State has some key players eligible for free agency and it's far from certain that they'll take a "home town discount" to keep the group together. How much of a salary tax is ownership willing to spend to keep them all? And, is Steve Kerr in physical condition to continue coaching.
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Good point. Curry, Thompson, and to a lesser extent Green are all on much smaller contracts than they deserve and will be up for renewal in the next few years. Injuries can also play a role.
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LeBron can still challenge the warriors for supremacy, but only if he leaves Cleveland again after the 2017-18 season. A handful of other stars will have the option of being free agents at that time, most notably, the MVP level player Russell Westbrook (who has his own reasons to dislike Golden State). LeBron would have about 2 more years left of superstar level play, and if he were to join Westbrook in LA with one other star he'd likely be able to extend his championship window for another 2-4 more seasons.
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I'd love to see Lebron move to Los Angeles. He can keep doing his Hollywood work, and us West-coasters would get to see his brilliance more often. Boston and Washington are on the rise, so the East should still be able to manage a good representative.
I didn't hear LeBron talking about the Miami Heat being loaded with stars when he played there. He is too good a player to talk about why the Warriors beat Cleveland.
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“You need a few good bounces, you need good luck, you need to be healthy and you need to have players that can focus every night, not four or five games,”
The formula today is to have a Big Three. You need a reliable third.
The formula today is to have a Big Three. You need a reliable third.
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Last night may have marked the end of the LeBron James Era. He will play for at least a few more years, will no doubt play very well, and may even win another title or two. But his Era, which began after Miami's loss in the 2011 Finals to Dallas gave James the kick in the pants that he needed to finally turn his immense talents into the NBA's best, most complete, most game-changing player over the past 6 seasons, appears to be drawing to a close. He'll be 33 in December and will soon face the extremely complicated task of handing off the baton on his own team to Irving and Love, all while chasing a super-squad led by a player in Durant who may have just taken the title of the NBA's best player from him.
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Don't count on Love and Irving to replace James.
Donald, Father Time will force the issue eventually. James is 32. Irving is 25. Love is 28. These numbers will tell the tale, sooner or later.
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LeBron is a champ, and so are the rest of the Cavs. I mean "champ" in the sense of representing the excellence that sport and sportsmanship can bring out.
I would not write off the cunning of the Cavs and LeBron just yet. The Warriors are a truly spectacular team, but these finals matchups are no blow-out. It is really amazing basketball we are witnessing these days.
But I am guessing that today, already, my team is thinking, what piece can we add to cause those West Coast boys a wee bit more trouble?
North Coast! Defend the Land!
And sincere grats to the GSW. That was some amazing basketball. You deserve this one, for sure.
I would not write off the cunning of the Cavs and LeBron just yet. The Warriors are a truly spectacular team, but these finals matchups are no blow-out. It is really amazing basketball we are witnessing these days.
But I am guessing that today, already, my team is thinking, what piece can we add to cause those West Coast boys a wee bit more trouble?
North Coast! Defend the Land!
And sincere grats to the GSW. That was some amazing basketball. You deserve this one, for sure.
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Amazing how well-spoken all of the players are. They thoughtfully answer questions. They're graceful in victory or defeat. Great examples for kids and the rest of us. And the Warriors' team-ball style (inspired by the San Antonio Spurs) is a joy to watch. The NBA is in a good place right now. And yes, that Game 3--the pacing, the skill, the final 3 minutes--wow.
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As a Warriors fan I thought the Cavs put up a great fight and that the Warriors claiming of the championship was not a foregone conclusion. After watching the series I am even more convinced how critical it was for the Warriors to have signed Durant. Without him, the Cavaliers and LeBron & Co. very well could have been the favored team to walk away with the title.
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LeBron is not only a transcendent basketball player but also a great American. He is the rare athlete (nice comparison to Jerry West) who shines as brightly in loss as in victory. May he play many more years.
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What LBJ does off court is highly admirable, too! A fine man.
Like when he walked off the floor without shaking hands after losing to Dallas in the finals?
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Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen along with their changing Chicago Bulls supporting cast were 6-0 in NBA Finals Championships equally divided by Michael Jordan proving that he was an awful Chicago White Sox minor league baseball player.
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Jordan was not awful at anything - he simply was not quite major league baseball caliber, at the time he chose to work on that skill set. For most of us armchair warriors, a sniff of little league stardom was enough success to provide memories we'll never forget! Just making it in minor league baseball is quite an accomplishment.
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The Warriors win decisively and still, it's all about James.
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Please. The Warriors have gotten plenty of ink during and after the playoffs. Even as a Warriors fan, I found it very interesting to read Mr. James' thoughtful analysis of the series and the near-term future of basketball, to say nothing of Jerry West's insight into winning championships.
Give Mr. James his due. He's still the best basketball player on the planet and his embrace of Mr. Durant after the fifth game was classy and respectful.
Give Mr. James his due. He's still the best basketball player on the planet and his embrace of Mr. Durant after the fifth game was classy and respectful.
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He's that good.
because it IS all about James.
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If he's staying in Cleveland (which I assume he is and will), then LeBron really needs to get rid of Kevin Love, and bring in a fast strong Durant type inside outside threat. Beyond LeBron and Irving, the entire Cleveland line-up, other than sometimes Thompson, is completely second rate.
If LeBron leaves, I like the idea mentioned by Iowa Joe, Lakers! Or why not Celtics? Latch on to young legs and create a dynasty counterpoint to the Warriors, and do so at a storied franchise, though LeBron creates his own "stories" wherever he goes. I don't know if any other player, ever seen in the NBA, could have brought Cleveland back the way he did in last year's finals.
If LeBron leaves, I like the idea mentioned by Iowa Joe, Lakers! Or why not Celtics? Latch on to young legs and create a dynasty counterpoint to the Warriors, and do so at a storied franchise, though LeBron creates his own "stories" wherever he goes. I don't know if any other player, ever seen in the NBA, could have brought Cleveland back the way he did in last year's finals.
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Couldnt agree with you more...especially about Love. What a dead weight! Didnt get a single shot in last night.
there's an easy way LeBron can get another ring. Go play for the Warriors.
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I live in Cleveland and I don't blame LeBron one bit for leaving when he did. He owed Cleveland nothing, we were lucky to have him. Clevelanders behaved so badly and some continue to act like entitled babies because LeBron left. He didn't have the support of the management to get a good team together. I'm glad he's back and providing the city with a reason to get up in the morning because there isn't much else here.
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Oh, stop being so negative. There is plenty in Cleveland, and it is SUPER CHEEP to live here. Go to the Museum or maybe start patronizing the Cleveland Orchestra. I suspect you are just suffering from the realization another Browns season is coming up ;)
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Lebron & the Cavs can indeed hold their heads high as there's no shame in their game by losing to a stacked team that won 73 0f 82 regular season games, THEN added Kevin Durant, the 2nd best player in the world. Half of the Warriors bench would start on most other NBA teams & outscored the Cavs anemic bench 35-7 in the final game. Lebron had a record breaking series, the supporting cast was uneven & the bench downright sucked. So there you have it.
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The level of scrutiny of Lebron is off the charts. He proved in this series (actually the last three series) that he is by far the best player in the league.
The Warriors are the best team in the league but Lebron is the best player and most valuable player (checkout Cleveland when Lebron is NOT on the court).
The Cavs did not lose this series due to Lebron's play - the Warriors had a few more better players.
The Warriors are the best team in the league but Lebron is the best player and most valuable player (checkout Cleveland when Lebron is NOT on the court).
The Cavs did not lose this series due to Lebron's play - the Warriors had a few more better players.
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The Dubs didn't beat LeBron; they beat the Cavs. Many will focus on LeBron's stats for the playoffs and marvel at the records but Steve Kerr (using Popovich's masterful coaching strategy) knew that LeBron was going to rack up the stats and let him do that while quietly demolishing the Cavs but his lineups. Game 5 was a superb example of Kerr's genius. One can look at the series and realize that LeBron's superior performance was the underlying reason for the loss of the series. And because LeBron is the pseudo-coach and general manager, he deserves the blame.
Cleveland is really boxed in contract wise. They've made big mistakes with long term contracts and have little room to make moves. Last year they spent more than anyone in the league on salary (the Warriors were 14th) and they have very limited flexibility.
Tristan Thompson is signed to a big deal until 2020. Kevin Love is also signed until 2020 at a ludicrous rate. He made more than $21 million this year. By comparison that is about $5 million more than Klay Thompson, $6 million more than Draymond Green, and $9 million more than Steph Curry did this year. In the last year of his contract he is due to get $25.5 million.
JR Smith, who is 31, is also signed through 2020 and will be making almost $16 million in the last year of his deal. They've also got another two seasons of Iman Shumpert at a salary well above what he is worth.
Tristan Thompson is signed to a big deal until 2020. Kevin Love is also signed until 2020 at a ludicrous rate. He made more than $21 million this year. By comparison that is about $5 million more than Klay Thompson, $6 million more than Draymond Green, and $9 million more than Steph Curry did this year. In the last year of his contract he is due to get $25.5 million.
JR Smith, who is 31, is also signed through 2020 and will be making almost $16 million in the last year of his deal. They've also got another two seasons of Iman Shumpert at a salary well above what he is worth.
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I tip my hat to James who had a remarkable series. But the selflessness, teamwork and talent of the Warriors is off the charts. No doubt Durant deserved the MVP, but Curry was just as important.
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Let's not start anointing dynasties before they are earned.
The Warriors, remember, last year could not possibly lose. That's what the experts said. But they lost.
Yes, KD was a huge acquisition. But Iguodala isn't getting any younger, and he is, arguably, as important to the team's success as KD or Curry. Nothing stands still in the NBA. The Heat were built to a last a few years, to steal a line from King James (who would know), but they fell short of expectations.
Always hardest to defend, and who knows what lies in the rookie crop--no one saw Michael Jordan coming, really, until he arrived. Yes, smart money is on the Warriors next year, but even smart money is often wrong.
The Warriors, remember, last year could not possibly lose. That's what the experts said. But they lost.
Yes, KD was a huge acquisition. But Iguodala isn't getting any younger, and he is, arguably, as important to the team's success as KD or Curry. Nothing stands still in the NBA. The Heat were built to a last a few years, to steal a line from King James (who would know), but they fell short of expectations.
Always hardest to defend, and who knows what lies in the rookie crop--no one saw Michael Jordan coming, really, until he arrived. Yes, smart money is on the Warriors next year, but even smart money is often wrong.
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agree, don't start declaring dynasties now and don't forget that if Pachulia wouldn't have stepped on Kawhi's foot, who knows
Game 3 was the key. Could'a, should'a gone the other way, and now they would be heading back to Cleveland for game 6.
There is no shame in losing in the finals. Getting to 8 and winning 3 is a powerful statement by today's best player.
There is no shame in losing in the finals. Getting to 8 and winning 3 is a powerful statement by today's best player.
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James has backed himself into a corner. He left Cleveland for Miami to pursue the championship he needed to begin cementing his legacy as the best of the best. He returned to Cleveland when the pieces were in place to create a champion where one had never been won. By some miracle, the Cavs came back from the dead to win last year, and James was hailed as a franchise savior. Now, Golden State has bought the players needed to stay at the top for several more years while James is in his prime, but without the complimentary players he needs to win again. What will James do? He can't leave Cleveland again without his legacy being tarnished as a sellout to the city that re-embraced him. He is between a rock and a hard place of his own making. That is the nature of pro sports today, where one player can make or break the fortunes of a franchise just to suit themselves. And they often do.
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LeBron's not a GM ... yet. I can see him as his generation's Jerry West.
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Does he have the resources to go into ownership?
Estimated net worth 300 to 500 million. Good start.
Partner not dole owner.
Partner not dole owner.
With the gazillions he gets from playing + all his endorsements, one would think the answer to that question is a resounding: YES!
I can think of two impact players that the Cleveland Cavaliers can get,
each of whom will guarantee that the Cavs return in the finals and even beat their arch nemesis Golden State for the 2018 championship:
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1. Stephan Curry
2. Kevin Durant
each of whom will guarantee that the Cavs return in the finals and even beat their arch nemesis Golden State for the 2018 championship:
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1. Stephan Curry
2. Kevin Durant
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Basketball is a team sport, and Golden State is a better team from top to bottom. Their regular season and playoff performances reflects that.
That said, LeBron James is an absolute joy to watch. It has taken me a while to warm-up to him due to the way he left Cleveland for Miami, but I am now a fan. His athletic ability is off the charts, and he handles himself like a true professional on-and-off the court. I hope he plays many more years.
That said, LeBron James is an absolute joy to watch. It has taken me a while to warm-up to him due to the way he left Cleveland for Miami, but I am now a fan. His athletic ability is off the charts, and he handles himself like a true professional on-and-off the court. I hope he plays many more years.
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You put 5 guys at at a time on the floor. You have the best coaches in the sport. Every good team has offensive and defensive schemes that fit their talent. They are all playing team ball. When I think of teams that get the most out of their talent, I think of the Spurs, the Celtics, the Jazz and the Rockets. When I think of the Warriors, I think wow, that team i loaded.
I felt so-so about Lebron before too. I've grown to respect him as a person and as a citizen, but he's also now a much better and more complete player than he was and is a true joy to watch for everything that he does (like that left handed alley-oop pass to Tristan last night). What a fantastic series of great basketball. Much as I love Kevin Durant and the Warriors, I must say that the most exciting moments were provided by James and Irving - and that should include a shout-out to some unbelievable moments by NY Knicks alumni JR Smith to keep things competitive.
Crazy but I would love to see him in a Lakers jersey before he retires.
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Your first word says it all. Not gonna happen.
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LeBron James is not going anywhere. He only left for Miami to make sure he had his championship. He didn't want to leave Cleveland, he felt he had to. And he was right. James loves Ohio and the Cleveland area as does his family. All his friends are there and he is a homebody.
Orange, NJ
Orange, NJ
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What I like is how today's players are well coached to lose gracefully, leaving kind comments with the press about their opponents. Kids look up to these players and this behaviour may pass on.
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Right, and in being genuinely friendly with players from the other team, they remind us that basketball is only a game and a form of entertainment and, more importantly, that our rivals don't have to be our enemies. We can put battles behind us, regardless of the injury, and move forward as friends.
I only wish Washington worked that way.
I only wish Washington worked that way.
NBA players are overwhelmingly black. They join together in political. and charitable causes and have been playing with and against each other for most of their lives. I don't know why you attribute their mutual courtesy to their overwhelmingly white coaches who are outside their social circles.