A Submarine Is Stuck in the Muck in Hackensack

Jun 12, 2017 · 37 comments
Maureen (<br/>)
The Ling is not the only one of its class surviving. Here's a list of the others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balao-class_submarine#Museums
Casey (California)
“It’s not on our property — it’s in the river and we don’t own the river,” said Malcolm A. Borg, 79, former chairman of The Record whose father, Donald G. Borg, helped obtain the sub when he was editor and publisher.

Something smells fishy and it ain't the sub.
david dennis (outside boston)
this thing shows up clearly on google earth. i can't even trace the river to the ocean and it can clearly be seen how many shoals there are in the river. maybe big inflatable pontoons could be strapped to it, filled with air to give it more clearance under the keel and then haul it out.
LIChef (East Coast)
Sounds like some wealthy people don't want to spend the money to finish what they started. I'm sure they would be happy to let the taxpayers foot the bill for the sub's removal. What a surprise.
Robbbb (NJ)
1) Install the cofferdam, and excavate the sub.
2) Cut the sub into 6 parts, each of which will fit on a 53-ft semi-trailer.
3) Truck to Battleship Place in Camden, NJ.
4) Reassemble and display on dry land adjoining the Battleship USS New Jersey.
Kevin S. (Montclair, NJ)
Bayonne Dry Dock could set her right, provided someone can pay for the tow and repairs. After that, the most obvious destination would be Independence Seaport in Philly, as the Ling was built about three miles upriver at Cramp & Sons: http://www.phillyseaport.org
Upstater (NY)
The Museum of Science & Industry has the German U-505, a captured submarine on display in Chicago. This particular boat sat at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery , Maine for almost 10 years after WWII ended. It was given to the city of Chicago, after $250,000 was raised to move it to the city. This was done in 1954. It was not in great shape, but it was towed from Portsmouth to Chicago, through the Great Lakes. restored, and now is on view INSIDE the Museum! If that could be done over 60 years ago, moving the Ling could certainly be moved out of"the muck" with today's expertise and technology. It would be a great addition to the Intrepid museum location, and hardly as long and difficult trip as the U-505 made. It's always about the money, isn't it. The Borgs own it, they should have to pay to move it!
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
Sometimes you just have to let things go, when people aren't really interested in them any more, and they have no real function. I'm doing a lot of that around my apartment these days, recognizing that I never use a certain thing, and donating or recycling it.

In this sub's case, seems like it's time to go. There are two main possibilities for its removal, first it could be taken apart on the spot, with a barge to move the scrap metal, and the metal could be recycled; it'd be expensive but probably worth it for those who want it out of there. The other option is to wait a few years for sea levels to rise, which should make the river high enough to float it out to sea, from which it could be taken to a naval yard for scrapping; assuming any naval yards make it through the rise in sea levels.
Pat (New York)
How about the Intrepid? Has anyone reached out to them?
KellyNYC (NYC)
The already have a sub.
Frank (Bayonne)
They have a sub. The Ling would need to be put in drydock for hull repairs. If the area surrounding the Ling could be dredged deep enough to accommodate a Floating Drydock it might shed some success on the future of its existence. As you might know, when Submarine are dismantled they are classified as 'Ceased to Exist'. To me this would be a grave misjustice to Our Strong Navy Heritage. The relocation at Paterson Falls Historical Site is a more Patriotic and feasible answer to this dilemma. Perhaps a location in the immediate area might be feasible. Maybe they should roster some volunteers from Bergen County Jail to work on this project ? Some Submarines are actually placed on fixed mounts on the beach! Let's Muster some Navy Vets and Active Duty Volunteers to get this project moving. For Neptunes sake we give away more money than this project will cost every day to unworthy recipients!!!❤️
Richard (New Jersey)
It was a cool and funky site for my kids birthday parties in the late 80's. Great memories. 9 years olds loved it!
Leo Vanderpot (Croton-on-Hudson)
Get in touch with Bill Gates or equivalent
Pat (<br/>)
If it could be moved, then having it displayed next to the USS New Jersey would be an added attraction when visiting
oinonio (<br/>)
The Borg family lacks imagination! Assimilate it into the waterfront development!
DTB (Greensboro, NC)
Right on the money. Why should Hackensack get stuck paying for removal. It would be cheaper to fit the sub into the development.
trblmkr (NYC)
These guys could fix it and move it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfhmYEx9qb0
MerlinMedic (New York)
The Ling is not historically significant; however her value lays in what she can contribute to education. Haul her out, restore her to dive status and start educating with and adding realism to Hollywood.
DJS (New York)
"' It's not on our property-it's in the river and we don't own the river ', said Malcolm Borg, former chairman of the Records,whose father, Donald G. Borg, helped obtain the sub when he was editor and publisher."

" ' He thought it would be a wonderful attraction , ' Malcolm Borg said of the now- languishing vessel."

Presumably, the Borg Family did not own the river when Donald Borg helped to obtain the sub when he thought it would benefit his interests, any more
than they do now, so this argument does not hold water.

The Borgs got it in- Let them pay to get it out. Then,they can donate it, and get a tax deduction.
Bruce Egert (Hackensack NJ)
Very glad that the area is being reclaimed and developed with good, luxury housing. Will boost Hackensack which is an area near everything including nice people. The Ling will be moved and likely scrapped. That's okay. Some things have to go and the Ling is past its prime.
Dean Swanson (New Orleans)
The WWII museum in N.O. needs to salvage this and put it next to or up river from the Kid in Baton Rouge! Then link the two museums for tourists! WWIIM even has a movie about the Tang which If I'm not mistaken is similar to the Ling here! But that makes too much sense!
Chucky Brown (Manhattan)
"Sounds complicated." - everyone at NASA who sent things to Mars multiple times
dugggggg (nyc)
those missions aint cheap, although relatively speaking NASA was able to pull off some miracles. in this case, though, no one wants to shell out a lot of dough to have this thing moved or cut up. I'd imagine that there are many environmental hurdles to clear before dismantling or moving it.
Anne (NYC)
New Jersey can sue to have the sub removed like Rhode Island did:

http://wpri.com/2017/01/26/court-k-19-the-widowmaker-sub-must-be-removed...
Rodrian Roadeye (Pottsville,PA)
Someone could raise funds by opening a sandwich shop selling "Submarine Sandwiches". Finance the sub's removal with subs (Hoagies).
Leave Capitalism Alone (Long Island NY)
I think you mean "heros."
jan (Madison, NJ)
LING is not "the only remaining high-speed submarine from World War II", as the article states. Other Balao-class museum ships include PAMPANITO in San Francisco and LIONFISH in Fall River, MA. Other fleet submarine classes are represented as well.
Frank (Bayonne)
My father served on the USS Dragonet SS-293. USS Ling is the sister Ship of the Dragonet. They were laid down in Philadelphia Naval Yard for WWII Service. Although Ling never saw action, Dragonet went on to The Pacific for Combat Patrol Duty earning two Battle Stars. My fathers Dolphins had one star in the center. She came under attack by a Japanese Aircraft while running on the surface to charge her batteries. I remember my Father telling me he was on the coning tower with the Captain and some crew members and he spotted the aircraft with his binoculars. As he told it it was quite a tense scenario as the Skipper kept asking him to identify the silhouette of the aircraft. After no response came from a 'Friend or For' transmission the Captain have the order to Dive. My Father said he was the last man down and had to Dog Down the Hatch as the Enemy Aircraft pelted Dragonet with machine gun fire. He said all of them wound up in a pile at the bottom of the ladder. After evading further contact they surfaced for Damage Control Assessment. Bud told me the Superstructure of the deck was heavily damaged and she returned to Guam for repairs and R&R before returning to Japanese Lifeguard Patrol rescuing downed pilots off the Japanese Coast. They went on to circumvent Japan and took pictures of the Russian Fleet Frozen in in Vladivostok. It hurts me to see USS Ling abandoned as it was part of our families Heritage.
Reader (Brooklyn, NY)
It would probably be better served on land. You would have lower maintenance costs and still be accessible for tours. And visitors would be able to see more of the vessel. My guess though is that this is soon to be razor blades.
Upstater (NY)
@Reader: The U-505, a German submarine is on display at the Museum of Science & Industry in Chicago, now inside! It was moved there in 1954! It was towed from Portsmouth Naval Shipyard through the Great Lakes to Chicago. I think a trip from the Hackensack river to the Hudson River is lots shorter, and definitely possible. This is the 21st century....anything is possible!
Paul Appelbaum (New York City)
There were no submarines at the Battle of Midway. It was the first major "sea battle" fought entirely with airpower.
Rutabaga (New Jersey)
There were 19 U.S. subs at Midway (World War II Database, ww2db.com) including the Nautilus, SS-168. A Japanese sub torpedoed the Yorktown after it had been hit by bombs. It also sank a destoyer. However, there was no ship to ship combat.
Frank (Bayonne)
The Submarine Fleet was further North and days away from Midway.
Richard Simon (New Milford, NJ)
Actually, the USS Nautilus made one of the most significant contributions of all. The Nautilus fired on the Japanese CV Kaga and actually hit it (the torpedo failed to explode). The Nautilus was then attacked by the destroyer Arashi, which eventually became separated from the rest of the Japanese forces. It broke off the attack and headed to rejoin the fleet. This was the destroyer that Wade McCluskey spotted and which lead him to the Japanese carriers.
dugggggg (nyc)
It seems odd that the Borg family could get away with contributing to the sub's arrival and then allowi the sub sit right alongside their property all this time, and then say hey, we're not responsible.
tony b (sarasota)
The Borgs wanted its there to make money, it's their responsibility to remove it. period.
MookieWilson (Chevy Chase)
It's a disgrace what has happened to Ling and to Clamagore, at Patriot's Point. Patriot's Point has let Clamagore rot while investing in other displays. Not too "Patriotic" if you ask me.

Someone should remove LIng's conning tower and tow the works to Groton.