Sorry folks, but Ossoff is just another conservaDem. Against single payer health coverage, not all that worried about voting rights. That must be why he's able to raise so much money.
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A Democrat for the people taking MILLIONS from special interests who will use him like a puppet ! ! ! !
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Trump won this district by a whopping 1 point. That is the reference point. Given the national polls, if the mediocre Republican were to win the election, the Democrats would have multiple eggs on their faces.
Trump has been just what the dems needed. He and his party don't get anything done or have had any good governance in the last 20 year and they're looking to be defeated in the mid terms and again in four years. Important issues will finally get looked at like how many prison sentences are cruel and unusual punishment, magazine weapons need to be banned, the environment protected and gerrymandering outlawed. We almost got there with Clinton but Trump is making it all look so much better for common folks who should have good governance. Go Ossoff!
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This is crazy. Elections have become frenzies. I thought America would die of exhaustion before the Presidential campaign finally culminated in election day. Does it really make sense to spend this much money and time electing people? No wonder it is hard to find good candidates. Then they go to Washington and can't get anything accomplished.
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The Republicans have pushed for money to be unlimited in elections, 'protected by the 1st Amendment.' Ironically to change and challenge that, Democrats are being forced to raise and spend to drive the Republicans from their illegally gained, Gerrymander protected majorities in both houses. Meanwhile, consummate hypocrites, Republicans whine and mewl when the allmighty dollar is turned against them by crowd funded movements like Ossoff or Bernie Sanders and they have to fight on equal footing. This is what comes from imposing a traitor and criminal bent on destroying the planet to serve his personal greed and narcissism. I have no idea how any Republican can look in the mirror with Traitor Trump running their show and attempting to turn this into an autocratic kleptocracy.
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The Democrats have to improve on their emails begging for bucks. There's too much whining and victimhood expressed. Even yesterday I received messages claiming that Ossoff was being outspent by the Kochs and other reactionary tRump'ites. This kind of false advertising adds to the general cynicism about democracy and elections.
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I think he is probably being outspent right now, and that a lot of the money is and will be coming in from third party PACs or political non-profits (I can't remember their IRS designation). This is in part how Trump won.
If he does not win the money campaign, he will lose the election. Democrats need to pour as much of their own or their allies money into the last leg to assure that he can keep up investing in ads and other outreach forms.
If he does not win the money campaign, he will lose the election. Democrats need to pour as much of their own or their allies money into the last leg to assure that he can keep up investing in ads and other outreach forms.
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Actually this race in my opinion represents everything that's wrong with politics today.
We have two remarkably unimpressive candidates with mediocre resumes at best, funding their campaigns with outside special interest money.
Neither is worthy of consideration, yet this is the best both parties can bring to the table? It's a race to the bottm
We have two remarkably unimpressive candidates with mediocre resumes at best, funding their campaigns with outside special interest money.
Neither is worthy of consideration, yet this is the best both parties can bring to the table? It's a race to the bottm
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Mark, are you going to run for a seat in your district? If not then what are you blaming the parties for? Why would anyone want to run in this post-Citizens United world when you have to raise so much money? Those who voted for Trump or did not vote for Clinton makes getting rid of Citizens United exponentially harder. And what is so wrong with Ossoff?
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I live in North Atlanta. The race has been pretty mean so far. Already cast my vote for Ossof, but can't say I'm all that impressed by him. For one, his mind is still in the Clinton era; he won't endorse a single-payer national health system, something that more Democrats are getting on board with daily. Indeed, his campaign has been pretty anodyne so far, largely because he's running in a suburban district that is split between liberal enclaves like Marrietta and Doraville that are closer to the city and whiter suburbs like Milton and Alpharetta. Places like Roswell, with its picturesque old neighborhoods, well-funded libraries and churches, small house-front eateries and little Confederate cemeteries, straddle right in the middle of this fault line, though to stand there on a placid day you'd hardly know it. Its a very complicated district. Ossof has a fair chance at winning the district, and I hope he does. But if and when he gets to Washington, I hope his fellow Democrats can instill in him some more fervor.
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A neighbor held a meet and greet for Ossoff early in the campaign. I didn't go, but those who did said he was most impressive. He has a good chance. My neighbor expected maybe 40-50 people. Over 100 turned up at her house. The street was almost impassable because of the cars parked everywhere.
He's well-educated ( Georgetown and London School of Economics), thoughtful, and committed to being the best rep. for our disctrict.
I just hope Fulton County doesn't have an "issue" with vote counting like they did in the primary. Jon had 50.1% minutes f the vote and would have won it outright. After the "recount", he was down to 48 or 49% and that forced this runoff with Handel.
He's well-educated ( Georgetown and London School of Economics), thoughtful, and committed to being the best rep. for our disctrict.
I just hope Fulton County doesn't have an "issue" with vote counting like they did in the primary. Jon had 50.1% minutes f the vote and would have won it outright. After the "recount", he was down to 48 or 49% and that forced this runoff with Handel.
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I live near there in Decatur. If he ran on single-payer, he would lose badly in the 6th district. Democrats cannot just put leftists up in districts that have been very heavily Republican.
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Why dont the Democrats change some of the Democratic platform to win votes? Throwing $23m on a single house seat is both surreal and disgusting.
If he loses, that will hopefully be eye-opening. If he wins, I fear that the Democrats will see money as the solution to their problems.
The real problem is that there are no party for the working class. Only like 30% of Americans have a college education, and you dont need a B.S. to do the math on that one. The Democrats do not have a motivated coalition that believes in what they believe in. Most of my friends vote Democrat only because the Republicans are worse. Relying on your opponent being horrible is no way to win votes. I got so fed up with Clintonian Democrats that I voted for Jill Stein, the other woman in the race who earned my vote by being progressive and standing with regular people. The guy who really had it all though was Bernie Sanders.
Bernie is my hero. He motivated me to join the Democratic party. He motivated me to go to the caucus for the first time. However, I wasnt allowed to vote bc Id not been a Democrat for two months (seems a bit arbitrary to me...two months, why?). My precinct voted 25 to 21 for Bernie, but in the end bc of the rules Bernie got 2 delegates and Hillary got 2 delegates.
Its stuff like what happened to me at the caucus that drives apathy in the party. Bernie really did light it on fire for me, but Clinton had the institutional advantage, as well as a 400 superdelegate head-start.
If he loses, that will hopefully be eye-opening. If he wins, I fear that the Democrats will see money as the solution to their problems.
The real problem is that there are no party for the working class. Only like 30% of Americans have a college education, and you dont need a B.S. to do the math on that one. The Democrats do not have a motivated coalition that believes in what they believe in. Most of my friends vote Democrat only because the Republicans are worse. Relying on your opponent being horrible is no way to win votes. I got so fed up with Clintonian Democrats that I voted for Jill Stein, the other woman in the race who earned my vote by being progressive and standing with regular people. The guy who really had it all though was Bernie Sanders.
Bernie is my hero. He motivated me to join the Democratic party. He motivated me to go to the caucus for the first time. However, I wasnt allowed to vote bc Id not been a Democrat for two months (seems a bit arbitrary to me...two months, why?). My precinct voted 25 to 21 for Bernie, but in the end bc of the rules Bernie got 2 delegates and Hillary got 2 delegates.
Its stuff like what happened to me at the caucus that drives apathy in the party. Bernie really did light it on fire for me, but Clinton had the institutional advantage, as well as a 400 superdelegate head-start.
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You are aware that Bernie Sanders has made it clear he completely supports Ossoff's run? Why do so many democrats lose the big picture for the petty ones?
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Exactly, I am so tired of these fanatical Bernie supporters who are shooting us all in the foot.
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Well she won the regular delegates too. Would you rather Ossoff lose and not have the seat? If you want change, then you have to do what is necessary. The failure to win the WH means everything is moving in the wrong direction as we see with Dodd-Frank being dismantled and tax credits for health insurance reduced and our country pulling out of the Paris climate change accord. People have to vote smart are our country goes backward
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Young, scrappy, and hungry...just what we need. The road to defeating trumpism begins with a single step. Go, Jon, go.
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Has it not been established that knocking on doors and speaking to voters face to face changes more minds than TV adds? And, hard fact, Democrats are sick of being dunned for money and we are almost a year and a half out from the midterms.
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So, all of the armchair pundits in America can lament about how much money is being spent on this election, and philosophize on the meaning of this in the short and long term. Or, we Dems can roll up our collective sleeves and donate as much money as it takes in order to put Jon Ossoff in office. Because, like it or not (and I don't), the US Supreme Court's Citizen's United ruling effectively guaranteed that most election results depend upon who raises the most money--it's reality, whether we like it or not. So get your checkbook out, Dems, and write a check to Ossoff's campaign. It's time we stopped complaining and put our money to work the only way that matters.
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Here's a thought. Both parties agree that the amount of $$ donated to this race is obscene. They then agree to spend no more than $1 million each and donate the rest to local food banks, charities etc. Then both can claim they took the high road and actually run on issues pertinent to their district............I know, not exactly how american politics work, but one can dream..
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Where does that money go? Big media companies who will never promote campaign finance reform. As a civic duty, media companies should be required to broadcast candidate debates and provide public service announcements on each candidate's positions. How many college scholarships in Georgia could that money have funded?
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Yes, and how much of that money was from small donations from individuals?
This just makes me sad at how our politics has become about raising dollars rather than espousing ideas. The Democratic Party has lost its soul.
This just makes me sad at how our politics has become about raising dollars rather than espousing ideas. The Democratic Party has lost its soul.
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The Democratic Party is hamstrung by Citizens United, a ruling they vehemently opposed.
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A lot of it is from small donations and, if we do not fight, it will get worse.
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The fund raising totals for both sides are impressive, but in the end only one thing matters. The Republican Party controls the voting machines and the vote counting software that will at the end of the day determine the winner. The final numbers will reflect the party's determination to hold this seat.
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The Democrats solution to all their problems, throw more money at it. If the public just knew about the Clintonian globalism and open borders policies, they would obviously vote for a Democrat, right?
Im a progressive. As far as Im concerned, the Republicans are far right and the Clintonian Democrats currently in power are center-right. There is no liberal left party in this nation.
Im a progressive. As far as Im concerned, the Republicans are far right and the Clintonian Democrats currently in power are center-right. There is no liberal left party in this nation.
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Democrats trying to buy elections again.
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Do you realize it is costing as much if not more to elect a member of Congress than a federal election in Canada?
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Hopefully the Democrats will continue to spend money on losing elections until even their most rabid supporters will say enough is enough and hang up in their fundraisers.
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Unfortunately for you, the pendulum is swinging back -- no surprise to a lot of us, as Trump fails. Democrats are coming closer to winning, and eventually will. Because the bottom line is that there are more of us against Trump than for him -- about two-thirds of the country is anti-Trump, as a matter of fact. So even if Ossoff loses, there's no way the Democrats won't eventually win.
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"In a sign of the intense national interest in the race, much of the money came from outside Georgia."
And how much money from Sheldon Adelson?
Do you know how much ad time $15 million buys in Georgia? Blanket tv/radio/print ads. Blanket.
And how much money from Sheldon Adelson?
Do you know how much ad time $15 million buys in Georgia? Blanket tv/radio/print ads. Blanket.
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This election, of course, is madness. Have we all gone crazy?
Since these are both ho-hum candidates, the winner will demonstrate it's still possible to buy an election. What about all those cutbacks in political giving we've been told have been made in the past few years?
The answer to that is Congress always leaves a loophole, a crack ever so small whereby tons of money can slip through. Yuch! -Zin out
Since these are both ho-hum candidates, the winner will demonstrate it's still possible to buy an election. What about all those cutbacks in political giving we've been told have been made in the past few years?
The answer to that is Congress always leaves a loophole, a crack ever so small whereby tons of money can slip through. Yuch! -Zin out
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All that money for Ossoff may have purchased something of value:
http://politics.blog.myajc.com/2017/06/09/ajc-poll-ossoff-opens-lead-ove...
I gave him a little money. I hope he wins.
http://politics.blog.myajc.com/2017/06/09/ajc-poll-ossoff-opens-lead-ove...
I gave him a little money. I hope he wins.
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People will read far too much into the outcome of this election, and not enough into the circumstances that have produced it.
It's likely to be a near-run thing -- unless Handel blows it big-time. There are signs that Handel is doing that -- she's not a strong politician, hasn't done all that well in Republican-on-Republican contests, and is prone to gaffes. This seat in congress was supposed to be an easy sinecure for her, after losing the senate nomination. Now Handel has been reduced to her campaign slogan "Don't let the Democrat's steal...."
Wow, is that pathetically tone-deaf or what? That's the best you can say for yourself, Karen? And the claim of Republican ownership?
The Republican worry reflects this -- they didn't expect this to be what it is, and they know she's not the horse they'd run in a high-stakes race. She oozes too much deer-in-the-headlights. And look at the money -- the big Republican donors have written her off. If they though she could win they'd be there for her... and they're not.
If Handel squeaks this one out or even loses narrowly ... she's beaten what the rest of the Republicans expect of her. If she blows it big-time the Republicans will blame her ... they already are.
Whether or not Ossoff wins the message is already clear to Republicans: 2018 will be a fight every inch of the way. How much more damage can the GOP take from Trump and itself before that battle even starts?
It's likely to be a near-run thing -- unless Handel blows it big-time. There are signs that Handel is doing that -- she's not a strong politician, hasn't done all that well in Republican-on-Republican contests, and is prone to gaffes. This seat in congress was supposed to be an easy sinecure for her, after losing the senate nomination. Now Handel has been reduced to her campaign slogan "Don't let the Democrat's steal...."
Wow, is that pathetically tone-deaf or what? That's the best you can say for yourself, Karen? And the claim of Republican ownership?
The Republican worry reflects this -- they didn't expect this to be what it is, and they know she's not the horse they'd run in a high-stakes race. She oozes too much deer-in-the-headlights. And look at the money -- the big Republican donors have written her off. If they though she could win they'd be there for her... and they're not.
If Handel squeaks this one out or even loses narrowly ... she's beaten what the rest of the Republicans expect of her. If she blows it big-time the Republicans will blame her ... they already are.
Whether or not Ossoff wins the message is already clear to Republicans: 2018 will be a fight every inch of the way. How much more damage can the GOP take from Trump and itself before that battle even starts?
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Handle is more focused on work and is a strong administrator - her experience as former Georgia Secretary of State shows that. Campaigning may not be her strongest skill.
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Margo, no offense but it appears you aren't that familiar with Karen Handel (not Handle) ... or possibly if you are you are alluding to what is in fact one of her biggest vulnerabilities? The Georgia Secretary of State is responsible for voter registration, and she conducted voter suppression for the Republicans, see here:
http://tinyurl.com/kqpny8o
specifically conducted voter registration purges that were subsequently found to be illegal.
She has been a willing Governor's apparatchik, perhaps a smarter Bridget Anne Kelly ... but this is not demonstration of fitness as a candidate.
Her "work" is a weakness on a congressional nominee's resume simply because of the rage it causes among Democrats across the country. A significant reason so much money is coming in for Ossoff is because Handel has done what she's done. (Her blunders at the Komen foundation ditto.) The Republicans could have run somebody less blatantly in-your-face, and triggered considerably less Democratic funds for Ossoff.
Politico says that she is losing by 7% points in current polling. If she loses by that much in the election -- that's a wipeout for Republicans in a district that she claims Republicans own.
http://tinyurl.com/kqpny8o
specifically conducted voter registration purges that were subsequently found to be illegal.
She has been a willing Governor's apparatchik, perhaps a smarter Bridget Anne Kelly ... but this is not demonstration of fitness as a candidate.
Her "work" is a weakness on a congressional nominee's resume simply because of the rage it causes among Democrats across the country. A significant reason so much money is coming in for Ossoff is because Handel has done what she's done. (Her blunders at the Komen foundation ditto.) The Republicans could have run somebody less blatantly in-your-face, and triggered considerably less Democratic funds for Ossoff.
Politico says that she is losing by 7% points in current polling. If she loses by that much in the election -- that's a wipeout for Republicans in a district that she claims Republicans own.
Her decision to keep Susan G. Komen funding from Planned Parenthood shows how little foresight she has as an administrator.
If she had thought this decision through, instead of applying her narrow-minded bias to it, she would have realized there would be a backlash. And there was. The Komen Foundation lost millions in donations as women protested this decision. Handel was gone shortly thereafter.
If you are going to be a legislator, a good legislator, you have to see beyond the words of the law you're passing and see how that law will affect folks down the line. You need foresight. In this one decision, Handel showed me she doesn't have that skill.
She's run for many positions in Georgia; some won, some lost, and hasn't made a real mark yet. I doubt, if she wins, that she'll be a standout in the House, either.
If she had thought this decision through, instead of applying her narrow-minded bias to it, she would have realized there would be a backlash. And there was. The Komen Foundation lost millions in donations as women protested this decision. Handel was gone shortly thereafter.
If you are going to be a legislator, a good legislator, you have to see beyond the words of the law you're passing and see how that law will affect folks down the line. You need foresight. In this one decision, Handel showed me she doesn't have that skill.
She's run for many positions in Georgia; some won, some lost, and hasn't made a real mark yet. I doubt, if she wins, that she'll be a standout in the House, either.
So why bother with the "voting" nonsense? Just declare him the winner because he raised the most money in a specified period of time!
It looks to me that America's system of choosing government has come DOWN to simply "who has the money?". Not who has the desire to serve, not who has principles or values, not who has leadership skills, not who has a love of humanity, not who has a burning desire to make a difference, not who is selfless enough to want to put their constituents before their own ambition, etc. etc...
It's simple--put a reasonable cap on campaign spending and level the freakin playing field so that ideals and character matter more than the volume of propaganda you can pay to disseminate.
Just my humble and perhaps naive opinion.
It looks to me that America's system of choosing government has come DOWN to simply "who has the money?". Not who has the desire to serve, not who has principles or values, not who has leadership skills, not who has a love of humanity, not who has a burning desire to make a difference, not who is selfless enough to want to put their constituents before their own ambition, etc. etc...
It's simple--put a reasonable cap on campaign spending and level the freakin playing field so that ideals and character matter more than the volume of propaganda you can pay to disseminate.
Just my humble and perhaps naive opinion.
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Not really. If it was about the amount of money a candidate raised during the election, we will be talking about President Clinton right now. I think the money issue is more an indicator of how divided the American electorate is right now.
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We have yet to learn how much Russia spent on psy-ops, trolls, and other election interference on Trump's behalf. But, we do know that Putin had Dmitry Rybolovlev buy a $30M lemon estate for $90M to buy Trump's love and loyalty. All, not some, all of our national intelligence agencies agree Russia actively interfered with and is still interfering with our news and elections. And not just here, but in France, England, and Germany, where this is starting to backfire. Let's hope it backfires in Georgia and the result sends Russia and Trump a message.
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Sure! Overturn Citizens United!
While I am always at a loss as to the amount of money candidates spend on any election, I think this snapshot of Jon Ossoff's efforts and the contributions made to his campaign are a preview of what's to come in 2018 and 2020. I could not bring myself to voting for Hillary Clinton, but realized the colossal mistake I made in voting for Donald Trump. My breaking point came when he appointed Pruitt to the EPA and finally, when he withdrew from the Paris climate agreement. It's one thing to disagree about politics, but when that discussion spills over into the environment and more damage and harm is created rather than the fixing or mending of environmental concerns, well, I decided to throw in the towel and return to the Democratic party. I think there are as many varied reasons as there are voters who will go to the poles and defeated the GOP and defeat them badly in the coming years. I still have issues with the amount of money spent on campaigning, but if that's what it takes to regain control and the majority, then so be it. I just need to locate my checkbook. Good luck Mr. Ossoff. Please kick some serious butt.
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Trump campaigned on destroying the EPA and exiting the Paris Climate Agreement. He was an enemy of the environment from day one. People like you weren't paying attention. Perhaps you're part of the problem.
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I hope there are like you. You are forgiven in my book for voting for Trump. I voted for Hillary even though, I was not excited with how she ran her campaign. I knew Trump was a con and was never swayed by anything she said. It gives me hope that some are realizing that you cannot run the US government like a family business.
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Thank you for being kind and understanding.
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Don't underestimate the impact of an Ossoff win. This will terrify the establishment GOP and moderate Republicans, and MAYBE they'll start to crack on siding with Trump on pivotal issues like Health Care. If you live in the 6th, VOTE VOTE VOTE! #flipthe6th
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An Ossoff win is sure to dishearten the Republicans and provide wind-in-the-sails to Democratic fund raising.
But what it will mean for positions that Republicans take is not clear at best, and I am going to argue that there is no possibility for Republicans to try to move toward any sort of sanity in this election, with Trump as President.
If Trump doesn't resign or get impeached by 2018 every congressional election is going to be a referendum on Trump ... and Trumpcare, and TrumpTaxes ... no way Republicans can avoid it. It it looks totally toxic. Handel is isn't yet facing the brunt of all of that ... but whoever wins this seat will go through it again in 2018.
It would be hilarious for a Republican to run on a "impeach Trump to save the GOP" ticket ... and a very logical case can be made for it too ... but nobody will do that.
But what it will mean for positions that Republicans take is not clear at best, and I am going to argue that there is no possibility for Republicans to try to move toward any sort of sanity in this election, with Trump as President.
If Trump doesn't resign or get impeached by 2018 every congressional election is going to be a referendum on Trump ... and Trumpcare, and TrumpTaxes ... no way Republicans can avoid it. It it looks totally toxic. Handel is isn't yet facing the brunt of all of that ... but whoever wins this seat will go through it again in 2018.
It would be hilarious for a Republican to run on a "impeach Trump to save the GOP" ticket ... and a very logical case can be made for it too ... but nobody will do that.
Only Hillary could raise more. Something tells me the Yankees aren't going to take the seat.
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Hillary Clinton raised and spent way more money than Donald Trump. This seat does not change the majority balance in the House. There will be another election next year involving all House seats.
My enslaved African Georgia ancestors were freed after General Sherman's troops passed by on the way to Savannah. But their Georgia heirs never got their right to vote until after the enactment of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
My enslaved African Georgia ancestors were freed after General Sherman's troops passed by on the way to Savannah. But their Georgia heirs never got their right to vote until after the enactment of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
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Your ancestors were freed, but equality and freedom are two very different commodities. And, sadly, under Trump we have witnessed a retrograde in equal rights and racist acting out led by Trump.
And his opponent just said she was not interested "in a living wage" for Americans. A truer statement has never been made by a Republican.
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Handel stated during a debate earlier in the week that she doesn't support a living wage. In a sane world, Ossoff wouldn't need the $23 million to defeat her.
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If all the people wo sent money to Ossoff took
30 minutes
to call some friends or family who live in a state with an R Senator, and got that friend or family member to call the senator to oppose AHCA,
that would do a lot of good
30 minutes
to call some friends or family who live in a state with an R Senator, and got that friend or family member to call the senator to oppose AHCA,
that would do a lot of good
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OK, this is easy even in my home state. All a Georgia Democrat needs to win is say that they will support Social Security, improve Medicare, lower military spending and address the budgets. Oh yeah, and jobs. That's it.
Stay very far away from abortion, wealth redistribution, and race.
Stay very far away from abortion, wealth redistribution, and race.
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The money for Jon Ossoff should go elsewhere. I voted early for him and I support him, but receiving 5 or 6 postcards a day, multiple "early voting" forms, repeat phone calls, etc. ITS TOO MUCH!
The bad thing is that I have neighbors asking repeatedly to get help with absentee ballots but the Ossoff campaign has ignored them.
Too much money, too little thought about how to spend it. I hope he wins but the campaign is over the top!
The bad thing is that I have neighbors asking repeatedly to get help with absentee ballots but the Ossoff campaign has ignored them.
Too much money, too little thought about how to spend it. I hope he wins but the campaign is over the top!
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The problem with this particular race is that Handel has chosen the wrong Messiah.
You cannot spend 15 million in a Georgia congressional race. This is beyond ridiculous.
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Go for it, Ossoff! Bring a breath of fresh air to Georgia politics the way Jimmy Carter did!
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This is a broken record. Both parties keep pouring money into these elections and they are missing the fact that so many Americans are disillusioned with Both parties. Who raised the most is really irrelevant in this political landscape. Who raises more money has zero importance in my opinion.
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Ossoff better win. Most congressional challengers barely raise $10,000, yet the entire country is dumping money into this race, while totally ignoring the races in Kansas, Montana, and another election on June 20th, South Carolina. The $23M here would have been MUCH better spent helping all the democratic challengers running across the country. This is already a huge waste of resources, for 1/435th of the seats in the House of Representatives.
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I guess symbolism has some importance but considering that if Ossoff wins it won't make a dime's worth of difference with regard to what Congress does, perhaps it would have been better for that money to have been spread around to state house races and even some other Congressional races in 2018. If the Dems can take back state houses before the 2020 census, they'll have a much greater chance to create the bounds of Congressional districts which will have a major effect on whether they regain and hold the House.
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Wow, $23 million! That's a big number. But if past is prologue he's going to lose anyway. The only people who show up to vote in every single election are arch-conservatives. Democrats, on the other hand, have either given up or will only show up when their candidate is a national celebrity. Jon Ossoff is not a celebrity, so he isn't going to inspire regular people to turn out to the polls. Also working against him is the demoralization facing Democrats right now. For eight years, we watched a duly elected president get stifled at every turn for no other reason that partisanship by a bunch of people who not only got away with it, they were rewarded and gained even more power on the strength of a minority of voters. I'm sorry but it's over. We now live in an age where the educated and fair-minded are at the mercy of the self-righteous and angry hoards of Fox New viewers.
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Apart from the us-vs-them attitude that helps nobody, the 'educated' undercut their claims of superiority when they cannot distinguish between hordes and hoards.
I too am shocked at the amount of money that has been blown in this campaign - the ridiculous amount of printed materials produced *since* april 18 when his face was familiar to everyone within a mile of a TV set - the campaign has certainly spent money like a drunken sailor. I truly hopes he wins because if he loses, it is going to set back democrats about a 100 years. Perhaps that is what is needed for the party to finally take a principled position.
I too am shocked at the amount of money that has been blown in this campaign - the ridiculous amount of printed materials produced *since* april 18 when his face was familiar to everyone within a mile of a TV set - the campaign has certainly spent money like a drunken sailor. I truly hopes he wins because if he loses, it is going to set back democrats about a 100 years. Perhaps that is what is needed for the party to finally take a principled position.
The article might have included the date of the election --just saying --
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Re-read the 2nd paragraph please.
This headline is all wrong. It should read 'Money in politics out of control. Millions going to pad TV networks bottom line while constituents continue to suffer'
These numbers are staggering and disgusting. Think of what a state like Georgia could do with an extra 40 million in the coffers...
These numbers are staggering and disgusting. Think of what a state like Georgia could do with an extra 40 million in the coffers...
Yet I get ten emails a day from the DCCC, begging for more money. I very much want a Democratic Congress in 2019, and I will certainly contribute more to towards that end, but the DCCC very much needs to sharpen and professionalize their solicitation messages.
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Great News! Let's all take a lesson from this and support democracy-loving candidates across America. OUR collective small donations equal votes. The Adelson, Koch brothers money equals corruption.
Democracy will win in every election this year and in 2018 if WE make it happen.
Democracy will win in every election this year and in 2018 if WE make it happen.
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I disagree. This is terrible news, insofar as the overwhelming amount of money spent on this, and most every race nowadays is not from PEOPLE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATES in the race. Time to put an end to Citizens United and to donations to candidates by donors not in their districts/states/country, etc. By donated to Jon Ossoff am I not interfering in the election in his district?
Although the prospects for campaign finance reform are worse than ever, unless money in politics is strictly controlled, America will continue to decline as a viable democracy. This must include lobbying regulations. Dems (understandably) donating in unprecedented amounts to win this symbolic race, cannot pump tens of millions into every house and senate race. With unlimited billionaire donor money (mostly in the form of PACS) flooding into even local races, soon it will cost several million to sit on a city council. This situation is untenable. The fresh energy, so urgently needed, to inspire new candidates to run, will be killed by this onslaught of money. Then what?
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I gave a little money to Ossoff and all it did is trigger a spam-a-thon of begging for more. I had to unsubscribe from notifications because of how annoying it was. It's a shame that they can't campaign on the issues instead of the relative sizes of their piles of money. I still don't know what Ossoff's platform is - probably another partisan who won't vote his conscience but rather his party line. SAD.
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I have the identical frustration with giving to campaigns. It leads to grotesque intrusions, and I have complained about it, myself.
That said, Ossoff is actually quite an intelligent, well spoken, level headed, and apparently moral guy. More frustrating than the intrusions above is the fact that he deserves support against the truly curdled human being he opposes.
That said, Ossoff is actually quite an intelligent, well spoken, level headed, and apparently moral guy. More frustrating than the intrusions above is the fact that he deserves support against the truly curdled human being he opposes.
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So you gave money to him but "still don't know what Ossoff's platform is "?
Then you complain that HE is "probably another partisan."
Nope, no hypocrisy there.
Then you complain that HE is "probably another partisan."
Nope, no hypocrisy there.
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Ditto, it's disgusting - the American election process.
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HRC outspent Trump by a wide margin as well, and look what happened. The key in these local races is door-to-door interaction with the voters.
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Trump won and the last estimate I heard of his free media coverage put it at $2 Billion.
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First, she didn't have control over a vast amount of the spending.
Second, she did get 3 million more votes that he did.
But yes, location, location, location ...
Second, she did get 3 million more votes that he did.
But yes, location, location, location ...
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Not counting the $2 billion in free air time Trump got from conservative media. But yeah, when you have shaken hands and spoken with the candidate, it makes a lot of difference. I have voted for local candidates because I met them.
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How is Ossoff eligible to run in a district where he is not eligible to vote?
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If you knew Atlanta, you'd know that the northern Atlanta suburbs pretty much blend one into another. Jon Ossoff grew up in the 6th district and lives in the next-door 4th to accommodate his girlfriend's MD program @ Emory.
And again, no Constitutional requirement to live in the district one wishes to represent.
And again, no Constitutional requirement to live in the district one wishes to represent.
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There is no Constitutional requirement to live in the House district one wishes to represent.
I agree Dave T, and posted earlier on this. I live here, I work here, and I vote here. Whether you support Ossoff or you support Handel, if you actually live in this district, you know in your heart that the place he currently resides is demographically, economically, and geographically indistinguishable. That particular point (residency) is brought up only to generate partisan righteous-indignation. Focusing on differences of real points of policy, education, and goals of each candidates campaign would be a better focus for all of us.
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Why isn't Hillary or Obama stumping for Ossoff? Are their speaking fees too high?
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Don't know if this was just a stupid question or this MC312 just wanted to put them down, but for his/her edification, most politicians are IN OFFICE when they stump for others which is more effective and usually for senators as in some states there are too many congresspersons.
Democratic candidates do NOT need ANY of their party's politicians help, ironically, the president of their opposition party is doing a good job of inadvertently helping their campaigns for them with his inane behavior, the better question is why most politicians of the GOP aren't asking Trump to help THEM campaign.
Democratic candidates do NOT need ANY of their party's politicians help, ironically, the president of their opposition party is doing a good job of inadvertently helping their campaigns for them with his inane behavior, the better question is why most politicians of the GOP aren't asking Trump to help THEM campaign.
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Because it wouldn't make strategic sense for Jon Ossoff, but I think you know that already.
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If I were to guess, I'd say that either one pulling for Ossoff would be sure to alienate voters. If Ossoff wins in Georgia, it will be because Georgians are upset with Republicans and the president, not that they particularly like Clinton or Obama. I doubt it has anything to do with speaking fees.
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Here's a thought, in this campaign, and all others, how how about using the enormous amounts of money raised to actually fix the problems they talk about, that $$ would buy lots of textlbooks, renovate schools, provide job training and repair infrastructure. We need action, not adds.
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An endorsement by Mike Pence is now the kiss of death. GOP candidates should ask him to stay far, far away.
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Even as a life-long anti-Republican I don't see how you get that.
Outside money, for someone to "represent" a district he doesn't even live in? What's wrong with this picture?
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I would find this highly concerning, an indicator of (current) national mood. Either Dems are much more motivated than 'Pubs right now, or independents are also chipping in, or maybe a combination of both. Gallup says that Trump's approval among independents is 37%.
One could say that out-of-staters should not be allowed to contribute to state campaigns. Fair enough. I'd extend this mandate to corporations, PACs, and religious organizations as well - only individual voters get to chip in. I'd re-draw congressional districts to be more like Lego bricks rather than Sillystring, so that each represented a fair slice of the populations living in a geographical area.
As far as Ossoff being a non-resident, if I were a 'pub, I'd find his popularity in a traditionally red state highly worrisome.
One could say that out-of-staters should not be allowed to contribute to state campaigns. Fair enough. I'd extend this mandate to corporations, PACs, and religious organizations as well - only individual voters get to chip in. I'd re-draw congressional districts to be more like Lego bricks rather than Sillystring, so that each represented a fair slice of the populations living in a geographical area.
As far as Ossoff being a non-resident, if I were a 'pub, I'd find his popularity in a traditionally red state highly worrisome.
Interesting question. I wonder what Putin would say?
Hillary spent much, much more than Trump indicating that money does not always produce a winner.
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True- The GOP needed the Electoral College's thumb on the scale to win.
Sad
Sad
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Add in the free air time by the lame stream media and the "in kind" donations by Putin and you'll have a better idea of the money flow balance.
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I live in the City of Atlanta, just south of the 6th district where this election is.
It is possible that Ossoff might pull off a win. This is the northern suburbs of Atlanta, and overall very well-educated and upper middle class, including lots of tech jobs and corporate headquarters. Handel is not the most popular Republican, and faced a lot of opposition and attack ads from other Republicans in the first special election that led to this runoff.
The politics of greater Atlanta were also very interesting in Nov 2016. Two of the largest suburban counties, Cobb and Gwinnett, nearly always go Republican. However, both went for Clinton over Trump (but still supported local and state Republican candidates).
It is possible that Ossoff might pull off a win. This is the northern suburbs of Atlanta, and overall very well-educated and upper middle class, including lots of tech jobs and corporate headquarters. Handel is not the most popular Republican, and faced a lot of opposition and attack ads from other Republicans in the first special election that led to this runoff.
The politics of greater Atlanta were also very interesting in Nov 2016. Two of the largest suburban counties, Cobb and Gwinnett, nearly always go Republican. However, both went for Clinton over Trump (but still supported local and state Republican candidates).
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I sure hope Ossoff wins.
I live in this district. I find it really interesting that people have focused on Osseff's physical address, but people who actually live here know that Sandy Springs/Alpharetta/Roswell/Milton are all very much the same. The other fact that has largely been ignored, is the absolute explosive development that has occurred in the last year. This is being driven by the wealthy property developers, the huge IT companies in the area, the real estate agents, and the drive to build all this high-end rental and retail mixed use developments. Its broadly over developed without concern for the school capacity and road capacity, by the wealthy golf-course living mayors and councilmen and they wealthy developer/real estate pals. They are building their own political demise. The people who are moving in by droves to work at all these high tech world-class companies are young, well-educated, more socially liberal, very international, and far more blue than the "district". This district WILL flip. Maybe not June 20, maybe not 2018, but it will flip hard, and soon.
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The money comes from outside Georgia, from people who won't vote in the election. it is the voters that matter, not the money.
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Now that Jon Ossoff in GA-06 is flush with cash, how about getting some to Archie Parnell in SC-05, where another special election will be held on June 20?
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Yet again, the rank&file is 'way out ahead of the DNC, leaving those dinosaurs in the dust. Republican orgs have been trying to shore up Karen Handel, spending $12 million while Dems have spent only $6.7 million. Yet Ossoff has raised $15 million from the rank&file to Handel's $4 million.
What does this tell you and me? The RNC is willing to fight to keep their seats, but the DNC is trailing its voters 'way, 'way back in the dust. They blew it in Kansas and Montana, and, if Perez and the DNC/Dem dinosaurs have their will, Ossoff will lose as well, while they plan and count on their losing strategy of taking back the House in 2018, figuring there are enough seats in districts Clinton won or was close in they can flip.
But what will they base this on if all they find are hacks and have nothing to show in 2018? NOW is the time to fight for taking back the nation, not waiting to 2018.
What does this tell you and me? The RNC is willing to fight to keep their seats, but the DNC is trailing its voters 'way, 'way back in the dust. They blew it in Kansas and Montana, and, if Perez and the DNC/Dem dinosaurs have their will, Ossoff will lose as well, while they plan and count on their losing strategy of taking back the House in 2018, figuring there are enough seats in districts Clinton won or was close in they can flip.
But what will they base this on if all they find are hacks and have nothing to show in 2018? NOW is the time to fight for taking back the nation, not waiting to 2018.
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It is so strange that an organization that continues to fail is topped by a leader that does not command trust and respect among the rank and file.
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We'll end up like the UK if you had your way. I prefer our answer to Kim Jung-Un governing. It may be that authoritarian governments and people accepting of authoritarians (and a consigliere that includes family members) respect Trump.
This is almost sick--and only hope it does not backfire on Ossoff. Just 2 days ago, for the umpteenth time, I received e-mail appeal to donate more MORE money, and even before seeing this anxiety-provking "success story, I testily wrote back to the campaign and said "enough is enough." And I am someone who is devoted liberal Dem, whose wife has already donated, whose Atlanta friend works as volunteer on campaign, and who's offered to make calls for Ossoff (still waiting for campaign reply.) But truly, if my Dem Party fails with THIS wad of cash in this highly targeted & publicized a race, hope for winning other contested seats--like recent disappointing special Montana election--may be lost. Ossoff needs to win BIG with this BIGGEST-ever purse.
AND, is he even allowed to pass along some of his un-used funds for other Dem candidates in need?
AND, is he even allowed to pass along some of his un-used funds for other Dem candidates in need?
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As a resident of GA 6th district, I say enough with the stinking phone calls! And, by the way, we don't want carpet baggers canvassing, too!
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Hmm... buying one's political seat. Not much different from ancient Rome times. I suppose everything has its price!
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It's OK when Republicans get money from outside their district, right?
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I just think it's odd that so much is flowing to Ossoff when a candidate down the road could use more help.
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No in fact it isn't, it's wrong no matter what your political party you belong to. Plain and simple.
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"the astonishing found-raising" not only shows the stakes in this election, it shows the ridiculous and ugly state of our money infested government system.
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Step one in getting rid of Republicans, all of them, each and every one of them, at every level of government, from the courthouse to the White House, in 2018 and 2020. They are a cancer on our democracy. Liars. Crooks. Neo-Fascists. Traitors.
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Concur on the treason. In a majoritarian society save the first ten amendments, for the mug-wumpian GOP to force their minority plank down peoples throats is indeed a form of coup or treasonous. As an evangelical Christian I was not taught to hate but they're evil and need reprogramming.
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Sounds to me like you just described, Obama, Hilary, and Holder, Lynch , and Susan Rice.
We'd be in the same imbroglio as the UK. Bullies smell weakness and hesitation.
What have we come to when the money I usually donate to the local food shelf went to help fund Jon Ossoff's candidacy? Win or lose it sickens me. As another reader commented, we need a cap on funding.
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Too many Republican voters will vote for the Devil himself, as long as their candidate sticks to the one position that seems to matter the most to them: abortion. They'll abort democracy itself, before they'll tolerate a woman's right to make that choice.
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They really want another pro-Israel democratic Senator, and money is no object.
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What? Israel has nothing to do with it for most donors. I live in Vermont, have very little cash to spare for campaigns in my own district let alone Georgia's and know (or frankly, care) very little about Israel. I care about jobs, taxes health care etc. Please understand, most liberals just want Trump out of the White House and supporting Ossoff sends that signal. That's it. Don't know what you are imagining about Israel. Do you think it's rich Jews that are backing Ossoff? I think most of us would be stunned by that assessment. Wow, we really are out of touch with each other if you think that's what is going on.
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I think that if Ossoff loses--even by a few hundred votes--it will represent a devastating loss for the Democratic Party. With the amount of money on the Democrats' side and the alleged enthusiasm in the base, the DNC should make sure that every Democratic voter is driven to their polling station in a chauffeured limousine while getting a back rub. Anything short of victory here means Tom Perez and his staff should resign from the DNC immediately.
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My take away is a few Republican PACs spent more than half as much to oppose Ossoff as have millions of individual Americans who support him.
Which is a better example of democracy at work?
Which is a better example of democracy at work?
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The fact that most of Ossoff's fortune comes from outside Georgia can be used against him ... especially if it is coming from New York, Hollywood, and George Soros-connected groups.
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And rightly so. He hasn't lived in the area since he attended a private high school outside the 6th district. Local communities have no knowledge of him apart from his ads.
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yeah, he has lived in the district most of his life and now lives directly adjacent, so what?
And Handel's money comes from unknown shadow orgs? Do you have a similar stance on that?
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At the same time DNC Clintonite candidates spend record sums the Sanders wing gets no money for it's candidates'. One Sanders Democrat got a lousy $12,000 for his race which of course against the 40 million spent by his opponent he lost, despite doing well with what he had. The DNC's excuse. We don't want to waste our money on loser candidates. Sure just as the entire press corps told us neither Sanders or any other Social Democrat can win (they fear leftists candidates winning and would prefer to lose with them as the money doled out proves).
Yup if you believe the NYT, Assange is a raping traitor who used truths to prevent Hillary having her turn. And if she lost despite record sums of money and despite her being according to these 'Democrats' the 'perfect candidate' with total media back up its Russia's fault so we don't have to admit WE WERE WRONG. Just as Tony Blair declared it best to vote for anyone but Labor as the NYT backs its fellow war monger in his attempts to smear a real social Democrat and non war enthusiast Corbyn!!!!
When the Egyptian military coup happened Tony Blair wrote headline articles in both the NYT and UK Guardian claiming that this was a victory for DEMOCRACY and SAVED THE REVOLUTION. Which was the complete opposite of the truth. Indeed Blair has spoken in favor of coups against 'hostile democracies' like Turkey, Venezuela, and the ones we pushed in the Ukraine and Egypt.
So we call the Russians Nazis and those who wave swastikas' Democrats!
Yup if you believe the NYT, Assange is a raping traitor who used truths to prevent Hillary having her turn. And if she lost despite record sums of money and despite her being according to these 'Democrats' the 'perfect candidate' with total media back up its Russia's fault so we don't have to admit WE WERE WRONG. Just as Tony Blair declared it best to vote for anyone but Labor as the NYT backs its fellow war monger in his attempts to smear a real social Democrat and non war enthusiast Corbyn!!!!
When the Egyptian military coup happened Tony Blair wrote headline articles in both the NYT and UK Guardian claiming that this was a victory for DEMOCRACY and SAVED THE REVOLUTION. Which was the complete opposite of the truth. Indeed Blair has spoken in favor of coups against 'hostile democracies' like Turkey, Venezuela, and the ones we pushed in the Ukraine and Egypt.
So we call the Russians Nazis and those who wave swastikas' Democrats!
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There's a curious fact in the Bangor Daily News this morning.
Advertising at "Brietbart.com" has dropped 90% from March, when they had 242 advertisers, to May, where they have 26 advertisers.
"Visitors" are down 53%.
How much of the money going to Handel is because it is being yanked from other sources, like Brietbart?
Someone has stuck a pin in the Rightie balloon and released all that hot air.
.... oh, wait - that would be Trump, himself!
Good luck, Jon!
From Maine to California, we wish you well!
Advertising at "Brietbart.com" has dropped 90% from March, when they had 242 advertisers, to May, where they have 26 advertisers.
"Visitors" are down 53%.
How much of the money going to Handel is because it is being yanked from other sources, like Brietbart?
Someone has stuck a pin in the Rightie balloon and released all that hot air.
.... oh, wait - that would be Trump, himself!
Good luck, Jon!
From Maine to California, we wish you well!
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I couldn't agree more about taking the money out of politics. Raising money takes the time candidates should have to think about solving governmental problems, yet one of the best predictors of a win is the amount of money the candidate raises.
I would be delighted to see public financing put in place in the US. I would also like to have all candidates be given and equal amount of media time to present their cases to the public. Then a vote. Year round campaigning is a bore!
I would be delighted to see public financing put in place in the US. I would also like to have all candidates be given and equal amount of media time to present their cases to the public. Then a vote. Year round campaigning is a bore!
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I am proud that so many Democrats are willing to put their money where their mouths are.
I hope beyond hope that Ossoff wins.
But I have another angel on my other shoulder. This win - if it occurs - will never be chalked up to a win for the hearts and minds of the people of Georgia, but will be credited - not wholly inappropriately - to the influx of money by Democrats - who decry big money in elections.
What a conundrum we are in. We denounce money, but need it to win local elections. We are the people we hate. Boy, I hope Ossoff wins and Boy I hope he is nor beholden to anyone or any company or any political pact that made this happen.
And the beat goes on...
I hope beyond hope that Ossoff wins.
But I have another angel on my other shoulder. This win - if it occurs - will never be chalked up to a win for the hearts and minds of the people of Georgia, but will be credited - not wholly inappropriately - to the influx of money by Democrats - who decry big money in elections.
What a conundrum we are in. We denounce money, but need it to win local elections. We are the people we hate. Boy, I hope Ossoff wins and Boy I hope he is nor beholden to anyone or any company or any political pact that made this happen.
And the beat goes on...
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Democrats don't decry big money in elections when it's from an aggregate of people who aren't billionaires.
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Wow - what a stunning comment Ms. Parker. Nicely said and I could not agree with you more.
The problem with that argument is Ossoff has received donations from across the country. The Democratic Party does not denounce money, it decries dark money and corporate money, not small or medium sized donations from supporters near and far. Bernie raised huge amounts with small donations, no one criticized that!
How sad that 100's of millions are spent helping people reap the reward of public service while children starve.
Kinda tells a story about how voters feel, don't you think?
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I can only hope the amount of money pouring into this race is matched by feet on the ground, pounding the pavement, and knocking on doors.
To those that can donate their time and prescience in support of their candidate of choice I urge them to do so. The time I gave to the Obama effort in 2007 North Carolina , like a compounding investment, pays dividends to me to this day in the form of civic pride.
Democrat or Republican: don't just donate your money, but commit yourself to the health of our body politic and participate fully. These times demand nothing less.
To those that can donate their time and prescience in support of their candidate of choice I urge them to do so. The time I gave to the Obama effort in 2007 North Carolina , like a compounding investment, pays dividends to me to this day in the form of civic pride.
Democrat or Republican: don't just donate your money, but commit yourself to the health of our body politic and participate fully. These times demand nothing less.
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According to Politifact Georgia:
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2017/may/26/congressional-l...
"...donations under $200 are not required to be itemized under Federal Election Commission rules... That accounts for about two-thirds of Ossoff’s donations through the end of March."
Folks, this is not about big money. It's about people like my husband who contributed a few dollars to the Montana and Georgia races simply because he feels helpless watching this ongoing GOP trainwreck and wanted to do SOMETHING to contribute to the Democratic efforts to retake the majority in Congress. Until the rules are changed, what else can the average concerned citizen do? When will politically-pure progressives come to realize this is a street fight for the future of our democracy?
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2017/may/26/congressional-l...
"...donations under $200 are not required to be itemized under Federal Election Commission rules... That accounts for about two-thirds of Ossoff’s donations through the end of March."
Folks, this is not about big money. It's about people like my husband who contributed a few dollars to the Montana and Georgia races simply because he feels helpless watching this ongoing GOP trainwreck and wanted to do SOMETHING to contribute to the Democratic efforts to retake the majority in Congress. Until the rules are changed, what else can the average concerned citizen do? When will politically-pure progressives come to realize this is a street fight for the future of our democracy?
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I sure hope to impose my views and favors on candidates in your district the next time there is an opportunity. Probably not the one you would vote for but why not?
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Margot, I for one would be perfectly happy if you and any other small donor contributed to a race in my district. What's good for the goose.....etc.
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@margo - donating to a campaign is the same as imposing ones views? Get a grip.
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All the money in the world won't help if sane people don't show up to vote!
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Citizens United is our guarantee that we'll always have the best politicians money can buy.
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But you're OK with unions being solidly behind Dems right? Because they aren't a special interest groups who want favors from politicians right? Just making sure you don't hold others to double standards.
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Ugh. The last think Georgia and America need is another liberal reporting to Nancy Pelosi.
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Hand-wringing over the amounts being spent by the Democrat remind me a bit of a quote by Secretary of State Henry Stimson, when in 1929 he closed the Cypher (cryptanalysis) Bureau: "Gentlemen do not read each others' mail". Today's Republicans are not gentlemen. In today's circumstances, fighting spending with spending is a necessary evil.
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The Dems may finally figure out that they have to play by the same rules as their opposition. Money talks. I'd rather have the money from small donors doing the talking for once.
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Given recent history, the Democrats will probably notch another resounding moral victory while losing the actual race. If they don't start showing some spine and the kind of win-at-all-costs mentality that the Republicans have had for decades, then people should stop giving them money and look elsewhere for progressive representation.
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I understand the money is mostly from out of state. That was true even before the run off election. I'm curious what the composition of the donations are though. Ms. Handel is obviously getting carried by outside interests some of whom choose to remain nameless. That pretty much characterizes the nature of her benefactors. What about Mr. Ossoff though? How is he breaking this record? I can't tell whether we're looking at a Sanders style groundswell or a Clinton style moneyed-interest drive. The difference is important context when judging the significance of the fundraising.
The presidential comparison is appropriate by the way. Jon Ossoff has currently out raised all of John Kasich's presidential campaign. In a House race, that's a big deal. I think he's currently somewhere in the middle for Senate races as well. I knew the run off was going to be interesting but wow!
The presidential comparison is appropriate by the way. Jon Ossoff has currently out raised all of John Kasich's presidential campaign. In a House race, that's a big deal. I think he's currently somewhere in the middle for Senate races as well. I knew the run off was going to be interesting but wow!
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It's just as exciting as Rep. Hank Jones' (Ossoffs' mentor) views on geographical properties of landmass as they relate to the island of Guam. Or former Rep. Cynthia McKinney slapping a Capital guard. Georgia does not need any more inexperienced unskilled people acting as US Rep.
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Don't the Democrats complain about billionaires/special interests funding Republican candidates? Soros/Speyer are no different than the Koch brothers!
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Sure they're different.
Soros is a liberal/progressive.
The Koch Bros are uber-John Birchers.
Big difference, no equivalence.
Soros is a liberal/progressive.
The Koch Bros are uber-John Birchers.
Big difference, no equivalence.
This is VERY different. Most of Ossoff's fundraising is coming small donors who feel it is the only thing they can do to try to counter the enormous influx of political money from billionaires and anonymous donor PACs.
I have found the strategy of the Democratic Party extremely disappointing overall. They decided to take the 'high road' and campaign with the typical wimpy political themes about how government spends our money. This election has NOTHING to do with that. It is about reinstating a functional check and balance system to our government. And yes, it is all about fighting Trump.
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Did I miss it?
Was there something of substance Ossoff COULD base his campaign on?
Was there something of substance Ossoff COULD base his campaign on?
My earlier comment on this is not here: trying again.
What do you expect Ossoff to campaign on?
He may have grown up in the 6th district, but attended private schools and went out of state to get his university degree.
Nobody knows him.
He has done very little for Georgia except as a helper for Rep. Hank Jones for a while.
There is little in his background to recommend him for the responsibilities of public office.
Yes, he has moderated some of his more partisan comments, but realistically there is not a lot he can do for Georgia with no clear agenda except to not be a Republican.
I personally am fed up with inexperienced, embarrassing Congressional representatives. Sure, Ossoff may have picked up a bit of the lingo around Capitol Hill, but give me a break: if, for instance, the issue of waste or abuse in cell phone use in Washington is such a problem, exactly how is Ossoff, as a freshman congressman, going to have any effect at all? Yet, this is something he holds up as an example of what he will tackle (presuming the GAO will stop laughing at him).
Better to have a representative who has better real experience, regardless of party, to make sure my interests are addressed.
What do you expect Ossoff to campaign on?
He may have grown up in the 6th district, but attended private schools and went out of state to get his university degree.
Nobody knows him.
He has done very little for Georgia except as a helper for Rep. Hank Jones for a while.
There is little in his background to recommend him for the responsibilities of public office.
Yes, he has moderated some of his more partisan comments, but realistically there is not a lot he can do for Georgia with no clear agenda except to not be a Republican.
I personally am fed up with inexperienced, embarrassing Congressional representatives. Sure, Ossoff may have picked up a bit of the lingo around Capitol Hill, but give me a break: if, for instance, the issue of waste or abuse in cell phone use in Washington is such a problem, exactly how is Ossoff, as a freshman congressman, going to have any effect at all? Yet, this is something he holds up as an example of what he will tackle (presuming the GAO will stop laughing at him).
Better to have a representative who has better real experience, regardless of party, to make sure my interests are addressed.
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Where is the money coming from? Individuals or a few large donations. I have no problem with lots of individuals raising this much but if it is a few large supporters it exactly why we need campaign finance reform.
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I donated to Ossoff's campaign and I hope he wins. I think we need to support emerging democrats all over the country, especially in conservative states.
Still, I am bothered by the money. I hope the money came from many small donors, I hope he didn't get a pot of gold from a corporation. He ought to make that clear, it's important to me and probably many others. And I think it's sad that a fresh democratic approach and message isn't as powerful as the talking points and sound bites an ad can buy. The people of Georgia ought to know they need a new direction without $23 million in sound bites.
Still, I am bothered by the money. I hope the money came from many small donors, I hope he didn't get a pot of gold from a corporation. He ought to make that clear, it's important to me and probably many others. And I think it's sad that a fresh democratic approach and message isn't as powerful as the talking points and sound bites an ad can buy. The people of Georgia ought to know they need a new direction without $23 million in sound bites.
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and yet raising money did not help Hillary...some people never learn.
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It worked for Obama, though.
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We learned, Kathy.
We learned that lies and misogyny rule the Republican Party.
We learned that lies and misogyny rule the Republican Party.
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I live a few miles from GA-06, and the airwaves have been saturated with Ossoff ads for the last several months. He's running on cutting spending and eliminating entitlement fraud while becoming a darling of resistance types across the country, not to mention deep-pocked Democratic donors.
I understand the importance of Democrats taking back the House in 2018, but can we change the media narrative and feature candidates who aren't running on Republican platforms in wealthy suburban districts? Sometimes I think the anti-Trump fever is so high that voters will go all in for anyone who has a (D) by their name. I can't see Ossoff voting for a $15 minimum wage or single payer once in the House, as much as I would be glad to be proven wrong.
Then again, maybe electing center-right Democrats is the goal of the donors behind the campaign. Could the party establishment once again be acting disingenuously when it signals how progressive it wants to become?
If you think my statements about Ossoff and deep pockets in the party are an absurd claim, look no further than a prominent party insider writing that Democrats need to become Romney Republicans to win:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/01/democrats-new-crossove...
I understand the importance of Democrats taking back the House in 2018, but can we change the media narrative and feature candidates who aren't running on Republican platforms in wealthy suburban districts? Sometimes I think the anti-Trump fever is so high that voters will go all in for anyone who has a (D) by their name. I can't see Ossoff voting for a $15 minimum wage or single payer once in the House, as much as I would be glad to be proven wrong.
Then again, maybe electing center-right Democrats is the goal of the donors behind the campaign. Could the party establishment once again be acting disingenuously when it signals how progressive it wants to become?
If you think my statements about Ossoff and deep pockets in the party are an absurd claim, look no further than a prominent party insider writing that Democrats need to become Romney Republicans to win:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/01/democrats-new-crossove...
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So much money wasted on an election, the outcome of which will have little effect on the people of Georgia or the nation as a whole. But, $23M could do tremendous good when spent on education in Georgia, or for food programs, job retraining, housing or medical care for Georgia residents.
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Yes, MsPea. But nationwide, universally, Republicans have chosen those very programs to strip out so they can fill the coffers of the War Machine and strip out the environmental laws for their good-buddies, the Koch Bros.
Knuckle-draggers, all.
Knuckle-draggers, all.
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All this money spent on elections is a hidden economic stimulus program. That's the only benefit I can see from it, although a significant one.
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Less than 20% of Congress are women. Of the 83 women in Congress, only 21 or about one-fourth are Republican even though there are almost 250 Republicans in Congress compared with less than 200 Democrats. Less than 10% of Republicans in Congress are women compared with almost one-third of Democrats.
Women, and especially Republican women are so underrepresented in Congress it makes more sense to elect a Republican woman over a Democratic man.
It would be helpful if the NYT reported how much money each was getting from out of state vs. in state funding.
Women, and especially Republican women are so underrepresented in Congress it makes more sense to elect a Republican woman over a Democratic man.
It would be helpful if the NYT reported how much money each was getting from out of state vs. in state funding.
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I would hope that any person would vote for what is between a candidate's ears rather than what is between their legs.
A Republican woman is no more supportive of women's rights than a Republican man.
There is a HUGE difference between voting for "anatomy" and the RIGHTS of anatomy!
A Republican woman is no more supportive of women's rights than a Republican man.
There is a HUGE difference between voting for "anatomy" and the RIGHTS of anatomy!
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@rosa:
Women, regardless of their political orientation, see the world differently than men. The Republicans, since they are in charge and since they especially have so few women in Congress could use another Congressperson with a woman's perspective. The Republican Congress of men is much more likely to listen to a fellow Republican than they would a Democrat. Half the citizens in this country are effectively represented by 21 women in Congress.
As I said, fewer than 1 in 10 Republicans are women. That isn't much representation.
Women, regardless of their political orientation, see the world differently than men. The Republicans, since they are in charge and since they especially have so few women in Congress could use another Congressperson with a woman's perspective. The Republican Congress of men is much more likely to listen to a fellow Republican than they would a Democrat. Half the citizens in this country are effectively represented by 21 women in Congress.
As I said, fewer than 1 in 10 Republicans are women. That isn't much representation.
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Disgusting. Vast sums of money like this have no place in politics. If Ossoff wins, does anyone really think he will be impartial or not inclined towards "special considerations" to those that donated so much to his campaign? For that matter, the $4 million that Handel raised brings into question her impartiality as well. Voters are deluding themselves if they think either of these politicians will have their interests in mind when one heads to D.C. Bought and paid for by special interests.
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A little digging would probably reveal that most of Ossoff's money comes from small donors, not the big money corporations. His opponent, however, seems to be the recipient of the usual Republican backing, e.g. the Kochs.
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Sharon, being from out of state, you may not be aware of Handles' history of, at times, being at odds with the party line. She is smart and has demonstrated some integrity.
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$15 million all from small donors in his district? Must be an extremely wealthy district. Even if 100% of the money came from individuals and not PACs, I very much doubt there was no money donated from outside of his district and the state
I am so torn. The bad Nancy cheers that for once the Democrat has the gold and may have a chance to win because of the war chest we very rarely have- and believe me - I know the significance - beyond this one race - for Democrats.
I also know how Pollyanna it is to wish we could win on our message, our platform, our connection to the people, and that we are not just getting e-mails about money, and that how much money spent equals who wins.
This is just what we Democrats at the grass roots level are fighting against - money should not decide elections - ideas and legislation should.
Democrats need to introduce health care and tax legislation in opposition to the GOP plans. loud and in the media and fight for them. Let the people know what we would do if we had the ability. Let them know we were listening to the promises Trump made that they liked, and weave them into a constitutional and moral platform. Jobs and environment and America first - not only - and education and training and a real infrastructure plan and cogent trade pact.
Long before 2018 they must know Trump is a charlatan and we have understood our mistakes.
I also know how Pollyanna it is to wish we could win on our message, our platform, our connection to the people, and that we are not just getting e-mails about money, and that how much money spent equals who wins.
This is just what we Democrats at the grass roots level are fighting against - money should not decide elections - ideas and legislation should.
Democrats need to introduce health care and tax legislation in opposition to the GOP plans. loud and in the media and fight for them. Let the people know what we would do if we had the ability. Let them know we were listening to the promises Trump made that they liked, and weave them into a constitutional and moral platform. Jobs and environment and America first - not only - and education and training and a real infrastructure plan and cogent trade pact.
Long before 2018 they must know Trump is a charlatan and we have understood our mistakes.
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LOL as much as political fundraising is derided, and most politicians hate the process, it is one of the biggest economic development programs for an area. Most of the money flows into local businesses. Printers, pizza deliverers, restaurants, television stations, owners of vacant store fronts, hotels etc. benefit.
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I am all for Democrats to win but this is sad example on how the Democratic Party is turning into the Party of the Rich - Ossoff's money is not coming from small contributions a la Sanders, it is from vested interest groups that will make sure that the candidate they bought with $ 23 Million deliver the goods.
The Democratic Party needs candidates that can run, as Sanders did, on small donations, not candidates that are financed overwhelmingly by out of State money raised by pacs of the Uberrich.
The Democratic Party needs candidates that can run, as Sanders did, on small donations, not candidates that are financed overwhelmingly by out of State money raised by pacs of the Uberrich.
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I don't know; I gave money to him, and I'm not a corporation. Please try not to let the prism of fear get in the way of good news.
You've got that right. This is sad. I yearn for the days when a U.S. senator like Bill Proxmire from Wisconsin could spend a few hundred bucks out of his own pocket on his re-election effort, and nothing more. He took no campaign donations, and managed to win re-election five times. I know. Different times.
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Dig deeper. I would expect that the vast majority of the funds for Ossoff is coming from small donors.
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If all this money doesn't buy Ossoff the win, then the Democrats might as well give up. The strategy, if there is one, isn't working to either attract existing Democratic voters or to convert disappointed Trumpists.
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The fact that the race is this close in an always-red area is already a major victory! It virtually assures success in places where the population isn't so dominated by conservatives to begin with!
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Totally agree, as my own post here indicates.
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I wonder whether you noticed the amount the Republic party spent on their candidate as well - or the fact that he is coming from behind in a traditionally Republican place. It would be great to have this win, but I hope people (on both sides) don't overreact if it doesn't happen. If the Republicans don't get nervous about having a solidly Republican district get even close to a Democratic win, they're as stupid as I think they are.
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I sure hope that the wise and educated voters of Sandy Springs, Atlanta and surrounding areas, make the wiser choice and vote for John Ossoff the better
qualified candidate in the coming election. It is not a question of blind partisanship but choosing the best person for the job, regardless of party affiliation. Mr. Ossoff would be an asset to the citizens of Georgia.
qualified candidate in the coming election. It is not a question of blind partisanship but choosing the best person for the job, regardless of party affiliation. Mr. Ossoff would be an asset to the citizens of Georgia.
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Lived in Sandy Springs for many years. Conservative, wealthy area that is infused with cheap apartments and condos on the main roads. Hard to call.
Ossoff would probably win on local issues and someway to improve the worst traffic in Atlanta. But remember, Sandy Springs government is mostly privatized and operated by an engineering / construction company in the manner of a large utility or airport. It's not your usual suburb.
Ossoff would probably win on local issues and someway to improve the worst traffic in Atlanta. But remember, Sandy Springs government is mostly privatized and operated by an engineering / construction company in the manner of a large utility or airport. It's not your usual suburb.
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Maybe you could enumerate the Ossoff qualifications. Apart from the money and party.
I've looked. I can't find them.
I've looked. I can't find them.
Ryan - he's not running for Sandy Springs city council, not a lot of influence on direction of local matters like traffic. Can you clarify?
Here in the 6th District, we can't wait for it be over. I've already voted, so hopefully the calls and door knocks will stop. The energy is palpable, which is a good thing. I just hope all this money buys us a Congressperson who will represent us and not the large donors and national parties.
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You hope all this money buys you a member of congress who will represent you -- and not the large donors who gave him all that money? Really? Do you think all this money is coming in from outside Georgia from people who actually care about Georgia?
I live in Ga. and can only say that we will be relieved when it is over. Between political ads, drugs and ambulance chasing attorneys, the airwaves are dominated with the tiresome ads from both sides. Neither candidate is sterling by a long shot. Fortunately I don't live in that district so don't have to vote in the "who is the least offensive" race. Reminds me of Trump vs. Clinton campaign thinking that of all the people that live here this is the best we can do for candidates.
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Don't you know it. One ambulance chaser has his ugly mug on every $20 a month small town billboard in the State.
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I have conflicted feelings about the amount of money being spent on our elections. On the one hand, I wonder about its corrupting influence and I am definitely disgusted by how much time Representatives have to spend fundraising, instead of working on behalf of their constituents. On the other hand, why should we be surprised that the wealthiest country that has ever existed spends so much on its elections? If what you spend on is a reflection of what you care about, then this level of spending makes at least some sense.
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Very good point, "FightFor..." And as I recall hearing once, our country spends a huge multiple of dollars more on pet food than it does on getting folks elected so the excess can be better seen in that light...especially when voter turnout continues to disappoint.
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What a gigantic waste of money. I despise Trump and really hope Ossoff wins, but couldn't all of this money be used for something better, like restoring funding to some of the programs Trump is planning to cut.
This country is completely polarized. I don't think there are many people on the fence at this point. You either love Trump or you despise him. This district is clearly split almost down the middle, so the key is getting people passionate enough that they make the effort to vote (and hoping that the Republicans do not suppress the Democratic vote) - all of the campaigning will not change anyone's mind.
This country is completely polarized. I don't think there are many people on the fence at this point. You either love Trump or you despise him. This district is clearly split almost down the middle, so the key is getting people passionate enough that they make the effort to vote (and hoping that the Republicans do not suppress the Democratic vote) - all of the campaigning will not change anyone's mind.
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Why should Democrats clean up Republican criminal budget cuts out of their pocket? The money should be spent on ridding ourselves of the traitorous Republican cancer that is ruining this country and destroying our democracy. The kind of fuzzy thinking that got us into the mess we are in the first place.
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yes, there is something better
The senate is this close to passing the awful bill known as AHCA
However, some Rep Senators could be persuaded not to support it
A few phone calls - really, not that many, from constituents would make all the difference
The senate is this close to passing the awful bill known as AHCA
However, some Rep Senators could be persuaded not to support it
A few phone calls - really, not that many, from constituents would make all the difference
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23 Million Dollars!! this is a true sign of how bad off we democrats are. First we are so desperate we collectively are throwing way too much money at a house race. Second we used to be the party that stood for campaign fin ace reform. third this amount obscures and partially can be used to off set the scandal of the corruption of the republicans and certainly will cause voters to pause in this election. And last what will it say if he looses.
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Do you have any idea how much the Koch network pours into each and every election? Pretty much every uber-rich person is part of this network and they, along with corporate allies, spend hundreds of millions of dollars to win everything they can. And don't fool yourself, money buys the best advertising and messaging possible. It is why multitudes of even moderate Republicans have lost their seats to more radical right-wingers (remember Eric Cantor?). It is a sad fact of our system, especially after Citizens United, that money is the name of the game.
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I think Democrats are still definitely for campaign finance reform. But what are they supposed to do right now? Allow themselves to get run over? There's nothing they can do about it right now. If they ever want to change things, they must retake congress first.
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I gave a small amount in the beginning of Ossoff's campaign. I am still for him and other Democrats making strong showings but was surprised to learn that he's raised much more than his opponent, especially since day after day I get annoying email messages about he is being out funded and in danger of losing. This kind of campaign only results in donor fatigue and will not restore a government of the people. We desperately need a cap on funding.
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Yes, but until we have that cap we have to play by their rules, or lose, again.
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Totally agree, Nancy. Am just as sick & disgruntled as you as receive repeated & alarming, overly-dramatic constant e-mail begging for more funds from Ossoff...but whom I certainly still do support.
i too donated a small amount at the beginning of his campaign--and also receive multiple e mails per day warning of dire straits, outspending by the republican candidate, and "we're counting on YOU!" type messages which leave the reader with the unpleasant effect of being "guilted" in to contributing yet more money. thank you for the article showing how much he's raised.
with all this cash raised, if he loses, it won't be because people like me (who can ill afford to donate in the first place) didn't keep reaching in to our pockets. democratic candidates need to run smarter, more brutal races in order to counteract the republican spin machines.
with all this cash raised, if he loses, it won't be because people like me (who can ill afford to donate in the first place) didn't keep reaching in to our pockets. democratic candidates need to run smarter, more brutal races in order to counteract the republican spin machines.
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And yet, the Grand Oligarchy Party continues to poll well in the Russian-Republican countryside.
What's the matter with America ?
Stop acting like Russian peasants and start voting for progress.
D to go forward; R for reverse, over the cliff.
What's the matter with America ?
Stop acting like Russian peasants and start voting for progress.
D to go forward; R for reverse, over the cliff.
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D to go forward? Hillary Clinton forward? Tom Perez forward? Andrew Cuomo forward?
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Well, so much for the myth that Republicans buy elections. Ours are no less slimy.
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You do what is necessary. What was his choice? Democrats have to first get back into power to enact campaign finance reform.
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How can voters in that district, aware of Tom Price's insider-trading and self-enrichment, allow themselves to vote for Handel, a proven, tried-and-true rightwing radical?
Wake up, people. Is this the party that best represents your values or have you turned a blind-eye to the corruption and greed of the GOP?
Wake up, people. Is this the party that best represents your values or have you turned a blind-eye to the corruption and greed of the GOP?
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Same types who voted for Phil Murphy to be the Democratic candidate fro NJ Governor. He has a fine pedigree with Goldman Sachs. No one is immune not even the dems.
Conservative sure. But if Handel is a radical in your eyes then you have a petty wide range.
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Karen Handel has bluntly stated that she does not believe in a "livable wage." If that does not resonate with voters on a very basic level, I do not know what will. I, too, am suffering from donor fatigue supporting out-of-state candidates whose constituents support a value system so completely different from mine, particularly on nuts and bolts issues like health care, Social Security, education, etc. I am forever feeling like the tail is wagging the dog on these.
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Is it time to resurrect a discussion of 100% publicly financed campaigns?
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For the benefit of America, I hope that the Democrat wins.
It will send a message that America does not care about the Grifter in Chief and policies enacted or about to be that do harm to a democracy. Time for divisive politics to end and it begins with this win.
It will send a message that America does not care about the Grifter in Chief and policies enacted or about to be that do harm to a democracy. Time for divisive politics to end and it begins with this win.
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This definitely not something to be proud of. Even Karen Handel's $4m is extremely excessive for a House seat. Shame on both candidates. A realistic cap on spending should be set and enforced. Funds raised over that cap should be frozen and donated to charity.
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And I think at least one of the candidates - Ossoff - would agree with you. But until the rules change he can't unilaterally disarm.
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Yesterday's Comey hearing is reason #1 why we need more Democrats in congress. The republicans are standing by and enabling the destruction of our democracy. This must not continue.
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Hypocrisy is destroying the USA. As in, Democrats who endlessly yap "Citizens United" .. then out-spend everyone. A "race to the bottom," indeed.
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Get this money out of our politics.
That said, 2018 will flip many GOP districts. They can spend all they want, the GOP is running out of political capital outside of Congress.
They have nothing to provide a majority of Americans, and they know it. The liars.
That said, 2018 will flip many GOP districts. They can spend all they want, the GOP is running out of political capital outside of Congress.
They have nothing to provide a majority of Americans, and they know it. The liars.
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Although these special elections are mainly for bragging rights and will not change the majority in the house and only reflect what is going on now and not 2 yrs from now, both sides can learn from them.
If the democrat wins, it will be a warning sign for the republicans to break from Trump and nominate a more established conservative.
If the republican wins, it will be a warning sign for the democrats to nominate progressive but middle of the road candidates who unlike Hillary will appeal to moderate republican and independent voters.
If the democrat wins, it will be a warning sign for the republicans to break from Trump and nominate a more established conservative.
If the republican wins, it will be a warning sign for the democrats to nominate progressive but middle of the road candidates who unlike Hillary will appeal to moderate republican and independent voters.
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Hillary IS a middle-of-the-road progressive
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It is obscene that this amount of money is what is necessary to 'win' a seat! We need to set strict limits on this spending and have candidates actually run and win on merit. What a thought!
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Hate to disagree Cameron....Hillary is an extreme identity female first candidate...extreme progressive/liberal who says we must have total equality now even if somebody doesn't deserve it(ie playing the card) or will fail because of lack of support, oh and too boot, an establishment candidate who never met a war, bad trade deal, or wall street running wild that she didn't like.
A lethal combo for her versus the ego maniac demagogue Trump.
A lethal combo for her versus the ego maniac demagogue Trump.
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When money talks, we should listen, as long as the money helps Democrats (smile).
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Perhaps we should lend an ear when the money in question comes from small donors, not corporate giants. Listen to *that* kind of money and you might hear the voice of the people.
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This is the first snapshot of the 2018 midterm elections. It is a referendum to rid the congress of the cowardly Republicans that would support a completely unfit President. I hope this money is well spent on the road back to a sane America.
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While I am heartened by the possibility of a Democratic House grab in the South, the sums of money in play here are absolutely obscene. Couldn't that money be used toward something more worthy? Or shouldn't the money come form the district at the very least, in the spirit of a representative democracy? In any case, we need campaign finance reform yesterday.
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Destroying the obscenity that currently calls itself the Republican Party is a worthy use of the money.
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