Good. Illegals aren't immigrants. It's not hard line to enforce our immigration laws. Obama had no right to promise amnesty in return for votes.
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I hate Trump but he's right here. There's nothing wrong with deporting people who freely break our laws. Illegals push down wages, use services they do not pay for and make life harder for many Americans. They are not owed the right to stay merely because they've been evading our laws for years or have birthed a few anchors on our soil.
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So if I steal someones SS card and then use it to buy a house, am I just an undocumented homeowner?
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I have to admit that cracking down on Illegal Immigration is one of the partial success of the Trump Administration. I say partial because as predicted he is not touching any of the H1 visa programs that benefit Corporate America. For the same reason I am convinced that he will never dismantle NAFTA nor allowed the Free Flow of drugs from the Canadian border. But let's not kid ourselves and understand that Trump will keep the support of his base of supporters by just keeping this one campaign promise.
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America benefits from the benign neglect of immigration enforcement. Push back, yes; draconian response, no.
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When you support illegal immigration, you support:
-Brain/labor drain of third world countries. Millions of blue collar workers, as well as future doctors, scientists, engineers and artists, have left Central and South America. That's great for us, but not so great for the countries they come from. This is one of the (many) reasons these countries are perpetually stuck in third world status.
-Sex slavery. Thousands of women and children are shipped back and forth across the border with the illegals. When you crack down on illegal immigration, you put a stop to sex trafficking. I thought the left was pro-women and anti-child abuse, right?
-Drug trade. Drugs have devastated communities in this country, especially black communities and of course, Hispanic communities. Drugs have now made their way to white communities - where do you think they came from, Canada? Like sex slavery, if you put an end to illegal immigration, you put a pretty large dent in the drug business.
-Lower wages. This one is well known. If you want higher wages, then you can't have that many illegal immigrants. They're one of the (many) reasons why wages have stagnated in this country. This is basic economics.
-Greedy corporations. As others have mentioned, corporations who hire these people are as much to blame as the immigrants are. You support illegal immigrants, then you support greedy corporations, whether you like it or not.
-Brain/labor drain of third world countries. Millions of blue collar workers, as well as future doctors, scientists, engineers and artists, have left Central and South America. That's great for us, but not so great for the countries they come from. This is one of the (many) reasons these countries are perpetually stuck in third world status.
-Sex slavery. Thousands of women and children are shipped back and forth across the border with the illegals. When you crack down on illegal immigration, you put a stop to sex trafficking. I thought the left was pro-women and anti-child abuse, right?
-Drug trade. Drugs have devastated communities in this country, especially black communities and of course, Hispanic communities. Drugs have now made their way to white communities - where do you think they came from, Canada? Like sex slavery, if you put an end to illegal immigration, you put a pretty large dent in the drug business.
-Lower wages. This one is well known. If you want higher wages, then you can't have that many illegal immigrants. They're one of the (many) reasons why wages have stagnated in this country. This is basic economics.
-Greedy corporations. As others have mentioned, corporations who hire these people are as much to blame as the immigrants are. You support illegal immigrants, then you support greedy corporations, whether you like it or not.
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Trump is solving America's obesity problem and its hypocritical modern day slavery -- deporting illegal immigrants and making Americans do their own work.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think there are two kinds of people, fully human and bad hombres, and those who think there are one kind, human beings.
During the crack epidemic, "they" were lawbreakers who deserved to be sent to jail, throw away the key, who cares. Of course "they" were mainly black and brown. Now opioid addicts, many now heroin addicts, are tragic members of us, who deserve not contempt but empathy and rehabilitation not jail, despite having broken the law. It just so happens that most of those people are part of the white "us." Coincidence?
There are Europeans and Canadians living her illegally. No one seems to care. I guess they are "us."
During the crack epidemic, "they" were lawbreakers who deserved to be sent to jail, throw away the key, who cares. Of course "they" were mainly black and brown. Now opioid addicts, many now heroin addicts, are tragic members of us, who deserve not contempt but empathy and rehabilitation not jail, despite having broken the law. It just so happens that most of those people are part of the white "us." Coincidence?
There are Europeans and Canadians living her illegally. No one seems to care. I guess they are "us."
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Yup, pretty much a coincidence. You see, when there are 10-15 million Hispanics here illegally, that's where as they say, the money is. Compare this to Europe. I'm guessing they don't pay much attention to Hispanics there. Does that make them some other kind of racist? Nope. They just know that the chances are, their illegal will be Arabic or North African. It has to be a big let down but this isn't all about racism. It's about illegal.
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Most illegals are Latinos and that's why they get the most attention,
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"When you start a sentence with the word 'illegal', you've got nowhere to go."
Wayne Rogers
Wayne Rogers
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Illegal immigration NYT...not immigration.
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I feel so much safer and greater now that only Christian Americans are harvesting our crops, building and cleaning our houses, and doing all the roofing and yard work, and those dirty Syrian children are stuck in their hellhole, wherever they are tonight. Let 'em sleep in their mosque, if the bombing doesn't keep them awake. And no more Mexican rapists and drug dealers. God bless Amerrica! We're #1!
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Neither major party, not even Democrats, has ever been "pro-illegal immigration. It has always been a matter how rationally you want to handle the problem. ICEs deportation budget actually grew under Obama, and overall illegal immigration declined. Obama wanted to focus on high value targets. What Trump offers is vindictiveness instead of rationality. Trump offers absurd policies like The Wall and chasing hotel maids instead of Cartel members.
You can shout me down all you want. It will be evident in time that these antics accomplish nothing but cheap headlines for Trump and a quick thrill for those who are angry because they believe their lives would be so much better but for illegal immigrants. Like so much of what Trump offers, it is emotional satisfaction based on a fake spectacle. Kayfabe, as they say in pro wrestling.
You can shout me down all you want. It will be evident in time that these antics accomplish nothing but cheap headlines for Trump and a quick thrill for those who are angry because they believe their lives would be so much better but for illegal immigrants. Like so much of what Trump offers, it is emotional satisfaction based on a fake spectacle. Kayfabe, as they say in pro wrestling.
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As always happens on stories like these, people are in a rush to condemn others for behavior they would do themselves were they in that other person's shoes. The stunning disregard for the plight of others convinces me that this country deserves Trump because we are (collectively) so selfish, petty, and lacking in basic human empathy.
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Where is your fury over the heads of such nations and their own poor treatment of their own citizens? Most illegals are simply economic opportunists looking for a quick buck. That may be understandable but it hardly gives them some sort of moral high ground.
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The last man who swore to enforce the law pointedly refused to do so. Is it surprising that illegal entries should fall if someone is looking?
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It is interesting to see the invasion of the TrumpBots on the comment section of this particular article. (No problem; I have also invaded your Breitbart safe space.)
Yes, we should enforce existing laws. We could start by making e-Verify mandatory, and enforcing existing laws against employers who hire illegal immigrants.
Yes, we should enforce existing laws. We could start by making e-Verify mandatory, and enforcing existing laws against employers who hire illegal immigrants.
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"Texas judge suspended when it’s learned she’s not US citizen" Washington Post yesterday, and Breitbart today (the latter does not count since it is evil)
I thought it was satire until I read the article
I thought it was satire until I read the article
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What is the obsession about immigrants truly about?
Have any one of you been personally negatively
impacted by an immigrant and if so how?
Wall Street and big business are the ones outsourcing your
jobs, cutting benefits and laying people off,
Not immigrants. I've worked with immigrants for thirty
years in the good business. They work hard , pay taxes
and rent then usually move back to their country. Food
business I meant. One of my current employees is a Bosnian
Serb who escaped the slaughter of Muslims in Sarajevo
( she is Muslim) with her two month old daughter, lived
in a refugee camp in Germany and now lives in Queens.
She makes 11 dollars an hour, I have no control over pay alas.
I believe trump wants us all to be obsessed with immigrants
so we don't notice they are taking our healthcare away
Ignoring climate change.
Find something better to worry about then immigrants,
for god's sake!
Have any one of you been personally negatively
impacted by an immigrant and if so how?
Wall Street and big business are the ones outsourcing your
jobs, cutting benefits and laying people off,
Not immigrants. I've worked with immigrants for thirty
years in the good business. They work hard , pay taxes
and rent then usually move back to their country. Food
business I meant. One of my current employees is a Bosnian
Serb who escaped the slaughter of Muslims in Sarajevo
( she is Muslim) with her two month old daughter, lived
in a refugee camp in Germany and now lives in Queens.
She makes 11 dollars an hour, I have no control over pay alas.
I believe trump wants us all to be obsessed with immigrants
so we don't notice they are taking our healthcare away
Ignoring climate change.
Find something better to worry about then immigrants,
for god's sake!
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Illegals are not immigrants.
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The ICE statistics are plenty ambiguous. The article indicates that: "at the current rate of arrests, ICE may surpass the highest annual numbers it reached under Mr. Obama". In other words, it's unclear whether Trump arrests are on a course to exceed maximum Obama arrests, or whether Obama will maintain his record high enforcement rates. As usual, we are game-playing with statistics and drawing misleading conclusions based on this game playing. So we get striking headlines that do not answer the basic questions. If you follow these things, you know that you get contradictory statistics on many policy matters, from gun control to birth control, from climate change to health insurance. Those who are affected by these policy matters are done a great disservice by statisticians, whose manipulation of numbers causes great social harm.
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Keep one thing firmly in mind: the more headlines there are like this one in newspapers all over the country, the more nervous the lawbreakers become and the fewer new ones there will be.
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Enforcement of existent immigration laws is both a deterrent and a commitment to securing the borders, capturing and deporting illegal immigrants. No other nation has laws that are blatantly ignored and disobeyed than US immigration laws; if illegal immigrants hide in the shadows, they believe America's compassion and liberality will grant clemency making illegal crossing a part of the American immigrant experience. Liberals in Maryland were amazed that newly arrived legal immigrants(who subsequently became US citizens) voted against a measure that would make parts of Maryland a sanctuary state. Newly arrived legal immigrants, many of whom suffered and have horror stories of their own, know the distinction between illegal and legal immigration; they know the trials, the obstacles and the waiting period they had to endure; to them no one should enter illegally nor no one should benefit because of their illegal status! However, their is a seedy underling truth to illegal immigration... Yes they do work Americans refuse to do because of low wages and their undercutting competition prices. Employers benefit from illegal immigration and it is time they should be penalized for hiring illegal immigrants. America is a nation of laws and acceptance; but acceptance and entrance into the US must be done legally as it has been done throughout our American immigration experience...
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What this article doesn't make clear is yes, arrests are up, but deportations are down. That is the report I heard yesterday. Many people are assuming that all these people are being deported, that seems like it's far from the case.
Orange, NJ
Orange, NJ
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We as citizens have to be willing to pay higher prices for food, mowed lawns, house cleaning, new homes, that would mean all small businesses would have to pay a 'living wage' to every citizen in our towns, cities and states. Are consumers ready to step up and pay a living wage to your neighbor. What a small businessman does is no different than Walmart having its merchandise made over seas in Chinese factories where they are paid nothing. We either settle for less or pay more.
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While clearly, educating, housing, providing health care and EBT cards is cost-free?
Do the math.
Do the math.
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The majority of people collecting the benefits you cite are, and I know you're going to hate this, white and living in republican controlled states. Do the research.
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I am dispirited and disheartened by the lack of compassion of people who are intelligent, literate, and likely sympathetic in general. Moreover, the "border" that everyone screams about defending is a very recent imposition. Our country was built by immigrants, slaves, and native Americans long before the border was imposed with bloodshed. People from most of the Western Hemisphere countries could attain visas to migrate here in largely unlimited numbers until 1965, even as racist exclusion laws dating from the 1880s and 1920s kept out Asians and people of African descent. The immigration law of 1965, by placing unrealistic, impractical limits on immigraiton from Mexican and other American countries, created the situation we have today with so many undocumented immigrants and so much irrational hatred toward them. It behooves those of us who are third or fourth or fifth generation Americans to remember that many of our own ancestors came without legal visas either (look up the meaning of hte pejorative phrase WOP, which used to be applied to Italian immigrants, for example). I have no idea if my great-grandparents came legally since they came in the pre-Ellis Island days to escape violence (pogroms, forced recruitment) like Central Americans coming today.
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Can NYT clarify how many of those arrested were *legal* immigrants ?
Reading these comments -- as usual, criminals, illegal immigrants, H1b abusers, and visa over-stayers are out in full force opposing these rightful arrests.
Reading these comments -- as usual, criminals, illegal immigrants, H1b abusers, and visa over-stayers are out in full force opposing these rightful arrests.
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Seems that Trump's mandate would be even more successful if he hit the employers where it hurts the most, their pocket book. Impose serious enough fines that affects their bottom line and maybe even give them a little jail time. No jobs, no illegals.
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Illegal immigration is caused by a combination of people fleeing poverty and/or violence, and a virtual invitation from employers who want cheap labor and US citizens who want low prices. To me, many of the comments here focused on the people who are mostly just trying to take care of their families miss the point. It's a bigger picture in which we are all complicit, including employers and our government. That's why we need comprehensive immigration reform rather than lashing out.
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The ICE cowards are going after EASY TARGETS, not the criminals or dangerous immigrants. We are losing the good people, not the bad.
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What's so good about people who ignore US immigration laws? Oh I get it, they are good at crossing into the US illegally and avoiding deportation while working off the books and utilizing public services meant for Americans. I understand now.
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The lack of empathy in so many of these comments just demonstrates how mean spirited and soulless this country has become. What have these immigrants who have often left horrific conditions done to any of you? Many of them pay taxes, btw. And, when they are gone who will clean the bathrooms in your hotels? It's all about me, isn't it? Just the way your Christian morals guide you.
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I found that Cardinal Tobin addressed the reason not to deport, saying that these people were already living in this country. In other words, it's ethically too late to deport people doing no harm who are living here. http://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/05/17/cardinal-tobi...
Frankly, these deportations are not about illegal entry and extended visas that may have occurred more than a decade ago, it's about white nationalism. That's who some of you voted for, folks.
I agree with jah that the country under Sessions, Trump, and ideologues is becoming vengeful. When the talk is about law and order, it's not humane laws which are meant. Law and order without humanity is cruel and unusual punishment. Next, vote out ideologues in state legislatures, whose overreach under the guise of law is limited to public institutions because the people's majority in private sectors don't want the state bills about relaxed gun laws, about over-reaching deportations, and about worthless health insurance.
Frankly, these deportations are not about illegal entry and extended visas that may have occurred more than a decade ago, it's about white nationalism. That's who some of you voted for, folks.
I agree with jah that the country under Sessions, Trump, and ideologues is becoming vengeful. When the talk is about law and order, it's not humane laws which are meant. Law and order without humanity is cruel and unusual punishment. Next, vote out ideologues in state legislatures, whose overreach under the guise of law is limited to public institutions because the people's majority in private sectors don't want the state bills about relaxed gun laws, about over-reaching deportations, and about worthless health insurance.
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I'll clean my own, thanks.
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It is not humane to force the American middle class to pay for the failures of Latin America.
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This is great news. Unlike the narrative the NYT pushes, which is that illegal immigrants only do jobs Americans dont want to do (why does the NYT want a group of second class citizens without worker protections or adequate wages anyway?), most illegal immigrants work in the construction and janitorial work categories. While wages for licensed work have increased, wages that dont require licensing, and thus citizenship, have plummetted. For example, drywall hanging used to pay up to $25/hr and was a great job. Now drywallers are lucky if they get $12/hr.
My wife is an master electrican, and she sees the effect that illegal immigrants have had on jobs like carpentry and drywall hanging. American citizens cant even get these jobs anymore even at $12/hr because then their employers have to pay unemployment insurance and workers comp, which makes them uncompetitive with groups of illegal immigrants whose employers dont have to offer their employees anything and pay them under the table. No FICA, no State Withholding, no UI, no payroll taxes = no way a citizen can compete. Meanwhile, my wife charges $80/hr for a journeyman and provides her employees with health insurance. The only reason she can do this is because illegal immigrants cant become journeymen or master electricans.
My question is: why are liberals willing to pay 500% more for strawberries labelled organic, but not 40% more for strawberries picked by people getting a living wage and workers comp?
My wife is an master electrican, and she sees the effect that illegal immigrants have had on jobs like carpentry and drywall hanging. American citizens cant even get these jobs anymore even at $12/hr because then their employers have to pay unemployment insurance and workers comp, which makes them uncompetitive with groups of illegal immigrants whose employers dont have to offer their employees anything and pay them under the table. No FICA, no State Withholding, no UI, no payroll taxes = no way a citizen can compete. Meanwhile, my wife charges $80/hr for a journeyman and provides her employees with health insurance. The only reason she can do this is because illegal immigrants cant become journeymen or master electricans.
My question is: why are liberals willing to pay 500% more for strawberries labelled organic, but not 40% more for strawberries picked by people getting a living wage and workers comp?
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"Progressives" are schizophrenic on this issue. They defend the illegal "immigrants" but foam at the mouth about employers hiring them and resist any efforts to tighten laws on illegal hiring. They hate Wal-Mart because so many of their workers are on entitlements to supplement their wages, when illegal "immigrant" families are very often on entitlements. It's as though they really approve of importing the third world over taking care of US citizens.
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Non-sequitur. Do you think really think strawberries (organic or otherwise) are eaten only by one group of people? It's not an either/or situation. Poor logic.
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One of the whole points of providing these workers paths to legalization is that they will get fairer working conditions and better pay, which would allow them to compete on a more equal footing with the people your wife works with. As long as we are persecuting them, unscrupulous employers will continue to pay them under the table.I don't know what you're talking about in terms of paying 40% more for strawberries. Most people where I live would not be able to afford that and would stop buying American strawberrries. More damaging to this region, they would stop buying American apples. So we'd be getting them all from Mexico, and all those farmers up here would go out of business. We need a comprehensive solution to the farm labor problem, but driving people into the shadows so they can only work illegally is not the answer; it undercuts everyone and leads to horrific abuses and the police state we're living in now in regions within 100 miles of the international borders.
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Besides wrecking the agriculture, construction, hospitality and food service industries, Trump's immigration policy is also causing a major decrease in foreign tourism.
One of these days people are going to realize that all of this "winning" comes with a cost.
4.4%
One of these days people are going to realize that all of this "winning" comes with a cost.
4.4%
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Here are some basics.
A foreigner's mere presence here without legal authorization is illegal,
and he can be removed,
regardless whether or not he has committed an "ordinary" crime.
and regardless whether he has children or other "family" who might be citizens,
and regardless whether or not he is "paying taxes".
Legal authorization to be here is determined according to the laws of the USA,
as enacted by the Congress of the USA, elected by the citizens of the USA,
and determining priorities for removal is a matter or executive discretion
of the President, elected by the citizens of the USA,
in carrying out the executive function of enforcing the laws of the USA
(including the immigration laws of the USA),
with the assistance of officers appointed by him and approved by the Congress.
Neither legal authorization nor priorities for removal are a matter
to be decided by the foreigner,
nor by his children or other members of his family who might be citizens,
nor by his advocates and sympathizers
nor by anyone in the Fourth Estate, the Academy or in the Pulpit,
nor by their sycophants,
nor by employers who want to exploit his labor,
nor by ideologues who support "free markets".
nor by ideologues who support open borders in general,
nor as decided by the various states or their political subdivisions,
nor by foreign governments,
nor by charities or "non-profits" or other non-governmental organizations,
nor by various international organizations.
A foreigner's mere presence here without legal authorization is illegal,
and he can be removed,
regardless whether or not he has committed an "ordinary" crime.
and regardless whether he has children or other "family" who might be citizens,
and regardless whether or not he is "paying taxes".
Legal authorization to be here is determined according to the laws of the USA,
as enacted by the Congress of the USA, elected by the citizens of the USA,
and determining priorities for removal is a matter or executive discretion
of the President, elected by the citizens of the USA,
in carrying out the executive function of enforcing the laws of the USA
(including the immigration laws of the USA),
with the assistance of officers appointed by him and approved by the Congress.
Neither legal authorization nor priorities for removal are a matter
to be decided by the foreigner,
nor by his children or other members of his family who might be citizens,
nor by his advocates and sympathizers
nor by anyone in the Fourth Estate, the Academy or in the Pulpit,
nor by their sycophants,
nor by employers who want to exploit his labor,
nor by ideologues who support "free markets".
nor by ideologues who support open borders in general,
nor as decided by the various states or their political subdivisions,
nor by foreign governments,
nor by charities or "non-profits" or other non-governmental organizations,
nor by various international organizations.
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If people are in the United States unlawfully and have committed crimes or have otherwise abused the privilege of being here, extending the invitation to leave, sometimes with assistance from the government, does not seem unreasonable.
What does seem unreasonable is that employers have known for years that they are obliged to verify capacity to work on the U.S. lawfully, and there are inexpensive means of doing so, but we here little of actions against employers for failing to meet their obligations. This is particularly problematic as employment of vulnerable aliens may support or exploit trafficking and other ills. And we ought not be high-minded about trafficking, but instead call it what it is: slavery.
It confers no social benefit if people are driven to migrate because of poverty only to be subjected to mistreatment at journey's end. For this reason it appears that any effort at deportation is but a half measure if no corollary enforcement measures are applied to employers.
What does seem unreasonable is that employers have known for years that they are obliged to verify capacity to work on the U.S. lawfully, and there are inexpensive means of doing so, but we here little of actions against employers for failing to meet their obligations. This is particularly problematic as employment of vulnerable aliens may support or exploit trafficking and other ills. And we ought not be high-minded about trafficking, but instead call it what it is: slavery.
It confers no social benefit if people are driven to migrate because of poverty only to be subjected to mistreatment at journey's end. For this reason it appears that any effort at deportation is but a half measure if no corollary enforcement measures are applied to employers.
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Employers are not "obligated to verify capacity to work in the U.S. lawfully."
Employers are obligated to collect I-9 Forms which is a complicated and confusing checklist of various combinations of documents which are a weak attempt -- but not foolproof -- to establish both identity and authorization to work.
Furthermore, employers are not obligated to do a forensic-level examination of the documents presented to them by the would-be worker.
They are obligated only to do a cursory examination of the documents presented to them by the would-be worker and, if they appear in order, to mark the relevant I-9 requirement as satisfied.
Yes, some employers do not bother even to do that much,
and enforcement proceedings ought to be brought against them.
However, many other employers do run the I-9 document checklist. An superficially valid SSN card usually satisfies the requirement for a document to establishes authorization to work. But employers are not obligated to "run" the data.
Further,it does not establish identity.
For decades, right up until now, pro-Latino advocates and other pro-open borders advocates have dug in and resisted tooth and nail all attempts to have a mandatory single uniform nationwide biometric ID system which sets out digitized biometric data on-line (with POS access by employers and government offices) to establish identity and which also ties into the SSN or other DHS data establishing legal authority to work as well as entitlement to government benefits.
Employers are obligated to collect I-9 Forms which is a complicated and confusing checklist of various combinations of documents which are a weak attempt -- but not foolproof -- to establish both identity and authorization to work.
Furthermore, employers are not obligated to do a forensic-level examination of the documents presented to them by the would-be worker.
They are obligated only to do a cursory examination of the documents presented to them by the would-be worker and, if they appear in order, to mark the relevant I-9 requirement as satisfied.
Yes, some employers do not bother even to do that much,
and enforcement proceedings ought to be brought against them.
However, many other employers do run the I-9 document checklist. An superficially valid SSN card usually satisfies the requirement for a document to establishes authorization to work. But employers are not obligated to "run" the data.
Further,it does not establish identity.
For decades, right up until now, pro-Latino advocates and other pro-open borders advocates have dug in and resisted tooth and nail all attempts to have a mandatory single uniform nationwide biometric ID system which sets out digitized biometric data on-line (with POS access by employers and government offices) to establish identity and which also ties into the SSN or other DHS data establishing legal authority to work as well as entitlement to government benefits.
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You mean enforce the law? Oh, the horror!
This is LONG overdue.
This is LONG overdue.
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I do not support illegal immigration. With that said, I also don't support racial profiling, and I don't support picking up these people and returning them to an environment where they may be assaulted, tortured, or killed. There has to be a middle ground. That's not being either considered or practiced by this administration.
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There was already a middle ground which the Obama administration pursued.
2
Since when are we to be the solution for Latino violence?
2
Many of those advocating strict law and order enforcement of immigration laws would attack the Federal government as authoritarian if tax laws or gun laws were enforced the same way.
I am a longtime Republican who has always placed a premium on law and order. But I cannot support strict enforcement of laws where doing so creates so moral and economic harm.
The entire economy benefits from those working illegally---not so much because we underpay them, but because they are here to work and generally are willing to work hard within labor-short niches of the economy.
The moral harm we do---disrupting families and lives---often is far disproportionate to the offense. If that were not enough, we create for ourselves decades of social and economic costs when deported workers leave behind American spouses and children.
I do support changing our laws to better manage immigration and have most immigrant come legally. But I can't morally or economically justify strict enforcement of the laws we have.
I am a longtime Republican who has always placed a premium on law and order. But I cannot support strict enforcement of laws where doing so creates so moral and economic harm.
The entire economy benefits from those working illegally---not so much because we underpay them, but because they are here to work and generally are willing to work hard within labor-short niches of the economy.
The moral harm we do---disrupting families and lives---often is far disproportionate to the offense. If that were not enough, we create for ourselves decades of social and economic costs when deported workers leave behind American spouses and children.
I do support changing our laws to better manage immigration and have most immigrant come legally. But I can't morally or economically justify strict enforcement of the laws we have.
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I wish they would enforce gun laws better. In own 10 guns, and Im all for universal background checks, 72 hour holds, denying guns to felons, DVs, and the mentally ill. Im even cool with ammunition background checks.
Im not cool with assault weapon bans. Ive never killed a living thing in my life, but Ive shot probably 10,000 targets with my hyper custom AR-15. The single deadliest school schooting ever was done by a man with two Glock pistols. Assault weapons do actually have uses. They scare away burglers so you dont have to shoot them, and they are a great way to reduce the feral hog population without using poisons that can infect pig meat and kill other animals in horrible ways. Would you rather a feral pig be killed by giving it warfarin and having it die over the course of a week from internal bleeding in horrible pain, or by an AR-15 bullet in 2 milliseconds and then have the meat sold for consumption by humans as prime wild boar?
I am also against illegal immigration, but not bc Im a racist. Its because I dont support the US having a group of second class citizens to abuse and pay substandard wages to. I say secure our border, deport criminals, and amnesty everyone else.
Us independents are not racist rubes. I live in a rural area, and I went to MIT and am a medical marijuana consultant. Keep an open mind, I own 10 guns and I hate the NRA.
Im not cool with assault weapon bans. Ive never killed a living thing in my life, but Ive shot probably 10,000 targets with my hyper custom AR-15. The single deadliest school schooting ever was done by a man with two Glock pistols. Assault weapons do actually have uses. They scare away burglers so you dont have to shoot them, and they are a great way to reduce the feral hog population without using poisons that can infect pig meat and kill other animals in horrible ways. Would you rather a feral pig be killed by giving it warfarin and having it die over the course of a week from internal bleeding in horrible pain, or by an AR-15 bullet in 2 milliseconds and then have the meat sold for consumption by humans as prime wild boar?
I am also against illegal immigration, but not bc Im a racist. Its because I dont support the US having a group of second class citizens to abuse and pay substandard wages to. I say secure our border, deport criminals, and amnesty everyone else.
Us independents are not racist rubes. I live in a rural area, and I went to MIT and am a medical marijuana consultant. Keep an open mind, I own 10 guns and I hate the NRA.
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From your post though u sound a lot like me. My response was more for liberals who would say, "Yeah those gun nuts are all racists who hate illegal immigrants."
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The entire economy does not benefit from illegals. Some people do but many do not. It's not immoral to send people home.
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Our country has laws concerning the obligations of those who would like to visit. Once an individual has circumvented those laws, they are committing a felony. If an individual, US citizen or not, has committed a felony, they are a criminal. Thus any individual residing in the USA without proper documentation is a criminal and should be held accountable for their actions. If I break the law, I have to pay the penalty for doing so. Why should anyone else be treated differently?
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So when it is proven that Trump has broken the law in some of his nefarious business dealings, he should be held accountable and pay the penalty right?
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Actually, many of the folks you call "illegal" have committed at most a misdemeanor, not a felony. Overstaying a visa is not a felony. I don't think that when Melania Trump worked while on her tourist visa she was committing a felony either (I could be wrong about that), not sure about her employer though. Why not deport the people employing these folks, stealing their wages, under-paying them and paying them under the table? Why don't we call the unscrupulous, abusive employers "illegals"?
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It's not automatically a felony. There are specific statutes governing specific situations. Mere unauthorized presence is not a crime, while different forms violation may be crimes of varying magnitudes. This issue is serious, so please do not perpetuate myths and falsehoods.
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Trump is overzealous toward those fleeing violence and poverty. But what about rich people evading tax? They are equally damaging.
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Indeed. But then we'd have to round up most of Trump's cabinet, not to mention Trump himself.
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By this illogic, we should just stop arresting anyone for any crime because some criminals are being caught doing some things. If it makes you happy let's go after all of them. One problem is that you don't have to be a tax cheat to pay little in taxes. It's the law. Let's change that first.
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Since when is Latino poverty an American problem to solve? Where is your outrage at Latino leaders who do not support their own people?
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Open border advocates tell us that told American farms could not survive without unauthorized immigrants. According to the Pew Research Center, unauthorized immigrants make up 26 percent of U.S. farm workers, but only 4 percent of unauthorized immigrants work on farms. So, we could deport 96 percent of the 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants currently residing in the United State without affecting farms. We could replace the 4 percent who work on farms by expanding the H-2A Temporary Agricultural Worker visa program or reviving the Braceros program of the 1950s and 60s.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/11/03/occupations-of-unauthorized-immigr...
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/11/03/occupations-of-unauthorized-immigr...
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Gee whiz mr case. Please don't confuse us with facts or numbers. Our immigration policy, like most things in this country, is best approached from an emotional, gut level, wing it basis. That way we don't have to deal with anything that doesn't fit our preconceived notions and "feelings".
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I don't get your point. Twenty-six percent of U.S. farm workers are unauthorized immigrants. So their removal will have a significant effect on the farming industry and food prices.
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I find myself forced to admit that the solutions on this one are not easily found. It is true that people should just not keep coming here, but my heart breaks viewing the real human costs of this problem. I live in a small town which has a significant number of Hispanics and almost all of them are members of my Church. A few months ago, our Church helped people fill out forms for temporary custody of children born in the U.S., in the event that their parents are taken. I can tell you even three and four year olds seem to know something frightening was taking place, and we have one member of our church with a wife and two U.S. born children currently in New Orleans. Yes, he did something wrong, but, as is the case with many of these people, he did something wrong that lots of people who don't have money do, but they do not get deported for it. I pray that one day our government representatives will sit down with compassion and a desire to solve a problem in their hearts and that they will talk and explore and do their best to help.
Many families are trying to re-unite. Most of us, U.S. born citizens, do not know that the waiting list to get into the country legally is incredibly long, as long as 15 years. By then, the person/persons with whom you wanted to re-unite are grown up, dead, or otherwise very different.
Many families are trying to re-unite. Most of us, U.S. born citizens, do not know that the waiting list to get into the country legally is incredibly long, as long as 15 years. By then, the person/persons with whom you wanted to re-unite are grown up, dead, or otherwise very different.
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Many of my countrymen venture into entering the USA with no knowledge of that complex and powerful machinery it is, and its ideological pyramidal classification of human beings. They escape reluctantly from Mexico, rather than to embrace the "American Dream", alien to our mentality, anyway. Mexico turned its back on them since decades ago, and the USA has accepted them as chip labor. What will happen to broken families now ? Mexico should for once be more sympathetic to its own people, recognizing above all its moral responsibility. The USA would also have to realize that by exporting to Mexico enormous quantities of corn for more than 20 years, many peasants have been dislodged from their communities, creating a surge of people going north. Any policy change in the USA disturbs the precarious balance here.
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@Rodolfo Quintero
We want good relations with Mexico, but we have more than enough of our own poor people to care for.
We can't care for yours too.
Mexico should stop using the United States as a dumping ground for poor Mexicans.
Export oil.
Export agricultural and manufactured products.
But please: stop exporting your poor to us.
We want good relations with Mexico, but we have more than enough of our own poor people to care for.
We can't care for yours too.
Mexico should stop using the United States as a dumping ground for poor Mexicans.
Export oil.
Export agricultural and manufactured products.
But please: stop exporting your poor to us.
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Illegal immigrants make up 3.5% of the US population. About half of them are from Mexico and the rest of Latin America. Stop blaming 1.75% of the population for all of America's problems.
As for agriculture, if they can't get reliable labor, they'll just relocate. Nothing says that our food has to be grown here.
As for agriculture, if they can't get reliable labor, they'll just relocate. Nothing says that our food has to be grown here.
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Melvin, stop hiring them. Stop underpaying them. Stop exploiting them. Why blame the people who want to work, not the people who hire them?
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Which one of us is not here illegally? Raise your hand! From Europe, Africa and Asia we came. No one invited us, but we claim birthright citizenship but deny those that came seeking the same as our fore parents? Did they come here illegally? You bet they did. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Let those that has been here stay. They are no different from any of us.
Let those that has been here stay. They are no different from any of us.
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Nonsense. Every modern nation has immigration laws including Mexico.
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The public position and behind the scenes action of our government should always encourage legal entry and discourage illegal entry. The fact that we still debate this is embarrassing.
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I find your point of view reasonable, but strongly disagree. The fact that we are denying legal refuge to these people is what I find embarrassing. What ICE is doing is (mostly) legal, but immoral. What the US has done by not providing a simple path to legality for Dreamers is immoral. And there was a strong consensus to make that change when George W. Bush was president, and when Barak Obama was president, but it was blocked by a MINORITY of legislators under pressure from the Tea Party, reactionaries disconnected from American ideals.
And the kinds of crimes that are listed as "felonies" for which people are targeted: lying to a police officer about your address or immigration status, traffic stops that are called felonies! I recognize that there are dangerous and violent criminals among the illegal immigrants, and these people should be pursued, arrested, tried, and deported. But I don't think anyone finds argument with that.
Anyone knows that "enforcing the law" is not a robotic activity, not black and white. The Law is a human invention, and it should be enforced humanely. Arresting people who are checking in - people whose deportation is on hold awaiting the outcome of a petition, on hold because of overworked, inadequately funded administrative courts - this is a denial of justice, and a most smelly and offensive way to enforce the law.
This is what is embarrassing. This is what I find embarrassing.
And the kinds of crimes that are listed as "felonies" for which people are targeted: lying to a police officer about your address or immigration status, traffic stops that are called felonies! I recognize that there are dangerous and violent criminals among the illegal immigrants, and these people should be pursued, arrested, tried, and deported. But I don't think anyone finds argument with that.
Anyone knows that "enforcing the law" is not a robotic activity, not black and white. The Law is a human invention, and it should be enforced humanely. Arresting people who are checking in - people whose deportation is on hold awaiting the outcome of a petition, on hold because of overworked, inadequately funded administrative courts - this is a denial of justice, and a most smelly and offensive way to enforce the law.
This is what is embarrassing. This is what I find embarrassing.
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To all of those happy to see these immigrants arrested and deported, look around do you that Armerica is now Great Again? Don't hold your breath.
If the government would start arresting employers who hire immigrants at sub minimum wages, you might actually see some improvement. Fat chance of that.
If the government would start arresting employers who hire immigrants at sub minimum wages, you might actually see some improvement. Fat chance of that.
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This is an excellent start and kudos to Trump for following through on this core campaign promise. The next phase should include arrests of illegals at work, and the levying of huge fines on those employers. Only when US employers of illegals feel the heat, will this problem be close to being solved.
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Sure let's throw all those farmers and home builders and oh, hotel owners, into jail too. That'll help make America great again.
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By your logic Anita we should just stop enforcing any laws. Or do you have a special list (I'm thinking you might) that should be ignored but the others are ok to enforce. That ain't how it works.
Immigration has destroyed the incomes of he bottom quintile of the American citizenry. Must Immigration continue unabated EVERY YEAR no matter the state of the economy, that sounds like ideology not policy.
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Keep your eye on the ball and the results will improve using existing laws on the books instead of ignoring them or waving your hand in the air saying nothing can be done..
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When people try to claim that he's too incompetent to actually accomplish anything, think of these children.
He's accomplishing plenty.
He's accomplishing plenty.
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I'll finish your sentence for you, Fran. He's accomplishing plenty of evil, rape and pillage of our beautiful country!
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Will those who think that the immigration laws don't need to be enforced please tell me what laws need to be enforced? And, perhaps more importantly, who gets to decide which laws need to be enforced? Should laws be waived for anyone with a sob story? Or, if they are willing to watch your kids, mow your lawn, do some contracting work or pick your vegetable for less than minimum wage? Why should poor hardworking citizens lose their homes if they can't pay their property taxes? Where is the "compassion" for them? Maybe if they got a leaf blower?
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These people are all in the United States illegally, it's as simple as that. Under the Trump administration, the laws of the country are being enforced and these people are being removed from the country.
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But Trump has no problem inviting Erdogan on our soil and keeps his mouth shut when his security force brutalizes protestors….
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"From Jan. 22 to April 29, ICE officers arrested 41,318 people," but then, "President Obama’s immigration agency apprehended 351,029 people, or about 29,000 a month."
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Suddenly you are a supporter of President Obama?
To all those who commented that this is good: yes, we need to change our laws and admit those already here and escaping violence at our southern border LEGALLY. Amnesty--a la Ronald Reagan!
The Reagan Amnesty was a mistake and must never be repeated again. It led directly to the mess we presently have. Reagan's Attorney General, Ed Meese, wrote about this in a NYT Op-Ed in 2006.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/24/opinion/24meese.html
What Meese doesn't mention is that the newly legalized illegal "immigrants" fled the fields and other "jobs Americans won't do" and went into fields Americans were doing. The empty jobs were backfilled by subsequent waves of illegal "immigrants".
No amnesty. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/24/opinion/24meese.html
What Meese doesn't mention is that the newly legalized illegal "immigrants" fled the fields and other "jobs Americans won't do" and went into fields Americans were doing. The empty jobs were backfilled by subsequent waves of illegal "immigrants".
No amnesty. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
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Ronnie at his worst and he was bad!
Amnesty , the driver of "Trickle Down".
Amnesty , the driver of "Trickle Down".
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No more amnesty! Violence at the southern border is Mexico's problem not ours.
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Mr. Hayes added: “That’s why I was so passionate for Trump,” he said. “I wanted to expose these guys for who they are, if they are hiring illegal immigrants.”
This part I agree with. I think that businesses which hire illegal immigrants should be fined for it. One of the reasons people do stay here and remain illegal is because they can find jobs where it's okay not to have a social security number or any proof that you are authorized to work in America. It also makes it difficult to justify raising the minimum wage to something livable if too many businesses can look past Americans and hire illegal immigrants with no problems at all. I have no objection to hiring legal immigrants or seasonal workers that are legal. But when businesses or agencies use illegal immigrants to keep their costs down and endanger people's lives I have a problem.
The one thing however that Trump cannot take credit for is the drop in illegal immigrants entering. There are no uprisings occurring in the countries south of us. But if there is one or more and people can get out they will. And coming here has been seen as a logical choice. We are a free country. Parents wouldn't have to worry about their teenage sons and daughters being recruited for gangs or murdered in retaliation for something. If I were the GOP or Trump I'd wait before declaring victory.
This part I agree with. I think that businesses which hire illegal immigrants should be fined for it. One of the reasons people do stay here and remain illegal is because they can find jobs where it's okay not to have a social security number or any proof that you are authorized to work in America. It also makes it difficult to justify raising the minimum wage to something livable if too many businesses can look past Americans and hire illegal immigrants with no problems at all. I have no objection to hiring legal immigrants or seasonal workers that are legal. But when businesses or agencies use illegal immigrants to keep their costs down and endanger people's lives I have a problem.
The one thing however that Trump cannot take credit for is the drop in illegal immigrants entering. There are no uprisings occurring in the countries south of us. But if there is one or more and people can get out they will. And coming here has been seen as a logical choice. We are a free country. Parents wouldn't have to worry about their teenage sons and daughters being recruited for gangs or murdered in retaliation for something. If I were the GOP or Trump I'd wait before declaring victory.
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And add in the rising economic tide south of the border resulting in fewer persons coming toward the US and more going soitwards. There was already a reduction in illegals under Obama.
Illegal immigrants who work without authorization in the United States are pose as U.S. citizens are felons. 18 USC Sec. 1015 states “Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or claim that he is, or at any time has been, a citizen or national of the United States, with the intent to obtain on behalf of himself, or any other person, any Federal or State benefit or service, or to engage unlawfully in employment in the United States” shall be fined or imprisoned not more than five years. The same section applies to anyone who poses as a U.S. citizen or presents false documentation, such as a fake Social Security number. Congress made posing as a citizens a felony offense because it undermine the nation’s ability to provide work for its citizens, control its borders and regulate immigration.
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Well, then the obvious solution is to change the law so its not a felony. It all seems so arbitrary and artificial, doesn't it? I think the better solution is amnesty and an enforcement of our ethics to welcome refugees from violent nations overrun with militias. Are we not, in part, responsible for the political chaos from Columbia to Mexico? Are we not responsible for drug cartels with our misbegotten War on Drugs. Are we not responsible for the chaos in Iraq that arose, in part, from our Mission Accomplished attack of Iraq? And the rise of ISIS in the ensuing political vacuum? And the presence of ISIS in Syria? And our taking sides in the Syrian civil war?
It should not be a felony to think of Lady Liberty in New York Harbor and seek out a better life.
It should not be a felony to think of Lady Liberty in New York Harbor and seek out a better life.
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Reading these comments, one gets the sense that illegal immigration is widely tolerated by both the right and the left, for different reasons.
For those on the left, illegal immigrants are generally welcomed for humanitarian reasons, and for the hope that the children of such immigrants will be reliable Democratic voters (let's face it). There's also the comfortable illusion that immigrants rarely, if ever, displace jobs from naturalized citizens.
On the right, while there is considerable animosity against illegal immigrants on an individual level, there isn't any real desire to solve the problem as these workers provide businesses with a reliable, low-paid, and hard-working workforce. In the absence of draconian enforcement against employers who hire illegal immigrants, this can be expected to continue indefinitely. Walls may go up, and the border police may strut about, but workplaces big and small generally have little to fear (and much to gain on the bottom line) by continuing to hire illegal workers.
Bottom line: Trump's actions and the large-scale deportations under Obama may have slowed the tide, this issue isn't going to go away unless both the right and the left face up to matters they'd rather leave buried. Unless, of course, in their heart of hearts both sides are OK with the status quo. Which they seem to be.
For those on the left, illegal immigrants are generally welcomed for humanitarian reasons, and for the hope that the children of such immigrants will be reliable Democratic voters (let's face it). There's also the comfortable illusion that immigrants rarely, if ever, displace jobs from naturalized citizens.
On the right, while there is considerable animosity against illegal immigrants on an individual level, there isn't any real desire to solve the problem as these workers provide businesses with a reliable, low-paid, and hard-working workforce. In the absence of draconian enforcement against employers who hire illegal immigrants, this can be expected to continue indefinitely. Walls may go up, and the border police may strut about, but workplaces big and small generally have little to fear (and much to gain on the bottom line) by continuing to hire illegal workers.
Bottom line: Trump's actions and the large-scale deportations under Obama may have slowed the tide, this issue isn't going to go away unless both the right and the left face up to matters they'd rather leave buried. Unless, of course, in their heart of hearts both sides are OK with the status quo. Which they seem to be.
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This is great! In only 23 years, they'll all be gone!
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This approach is bad for the US economy, bad for our communities, bad for our culture, and bad for our souls. No good will come from it. No good whatsoever. I hope Trump & Co are pleased.
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FYI, being in this country without permission is being in this country illegally. I'm pretty sure that's why they are called illegal immigrants.
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Buried in this story, the Times reveals the liberal bias that has been driving the hyped coverage of immigration under Trump: in 2011, the Obama administration deported 351,029 unauthorized immigrants, or about 29,000 a month. That's more than twice the rate as now! Deportation dropped in Obama's last year, allowing the Times to misleadingly report a sharp rise. A lot of people with no legal right to be here were deported under Obama, and the vast majority were not serious criminals.
I'm all about supporting a comprehensive immigration package. I don't think we need to or can deport most of our unauthorized neighbors who have been working and living in our communities for years. But I don't support open borders, either, and the coverage from the NYT and other liberal outlets has been as misleading and incomplete as anything on Fox News.
I'm all about supporting a comprehensive immigration package. I don't think we need to or can deport most of our unauthorized neighbors who have been working and living in our communities for years. But I don't support open borders, either, and the coverage from the NYT and other liberal outlets has been as misleading and incomplete as anything on Fox News.
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Any illegal immigrant from what ever country who entered the US should be deported that's the law , end of the story. U
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If you are illegally resident in this country you need to leave or be deported back to your home country. This is pretty simple stuff.
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California's Hispanic legislators are actually proposing to use state funds to defend even illegal "immigrants" who have committed serious crimes. It is amazing how entrenched the illegal "immigrant" scofflaw lobby has become.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-u...
The new US Justice Department needs to bring charges against some of these folks for "Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting" or "Inducing illegal residency" or "Harboring".
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1...
http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-u...
The new US Justice Department needs to bring charges against some of these folks for "Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting" or "Inducing illegal residency" or "Harboring".
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1...
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And how many of those arrested/detained are Irish?
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The original Diversity Lottery program enacted in the late 1980s was essentially a gift to Ted Kennedy, allocating 40% of the available slots to Irish natives, with the proviso that Northern Ireland be counted as Ireland and not the UK. The 40% provision is gone, but natives of Northern Ireland is still considered Irish and eligible for Diversity Visas, while their UK born brethren are not.
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There are thousands of illegal immigrants from Ireland here, but you will never see the federal government deport them and break up their families. They are targeting non-white people.
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Thanks you President Trump and ICE for finally enforcing illegal immigration laws in OUR country. The fact that 14 million illegals have been allowed to live here with very little fear of deportation for so many years is outrageous to many, many Americans. Illegal immigration enforcement is what go Trump the GOP nomination and played a major role in his overall victory. Thankfully, he's fulfilling his promise.
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A guest worker program, with no rights to citizenship, social security or Medicare will take care of this problem. Tack on a guest worker tax, that goes into our SSI and those funding issues are taken care of too. Otherwise, wait your turn, like everyone else in the world that wants to come to the USA.
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No Guest Worker program without ending the lunacy of Birthright Citizenship first. We may arguably need Guest Workers but we don't need a back door way to a whole bunch of Guest Workers using taxpayer paid for and supported kids to extort being able to stay permanently.
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You haven't looked at what's happened with guest worker programs in other countries have you? Guest workers tend to stay, settle down, have families, children and those children are, for all intents and purposes, natives of the country they were born in and expect to be treated as citizens with all the same rights. A guest worker program will not end illegal immigration or solve a labor problem. Trump and his behavior however might put a damper on people's desire to live here or move here.
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How about no more guest worker programs at all? No more exploitation of non-white people. The people who complain about illegal immigration so much should do the work themselves. No more welfare, no more unemployment checks, no more disability payments. Get off he couch and get to work.
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Go to the Emergency Room any week day.
Go the county jail drunk tank any weekend night.
Notice all the illegal aliens?
You're paying for their healthcare and their (temporary) incarceration.
It's time for this to stop.
Accelerate the pace of deportations.
Go the county jail drunk tank any weekend night.
Notice all the illegal aliens?
You're paying for their healthcare and their (temporary) incarceration.
It's time for this to stop.
Accelerate the pace of deportations.
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Melvin, how do you know they are illegal aliens? And why are you hanging out at the emergency room and county jail?
Using rough numbers, 2,700 of those swept up committed "serious crimes," divided by 41,000 swept up, equals 6.6% of those captured by ICE are some sort of criminal.
This is hardly the picture that the Trumpettes have painted of a raging horde of rapists...but then, they knew that. Kinda like Hitler and his supporters knew that the Jews they demonized were just people. And note, "his supporters." Anyone who wants to give the benefit of any doubt to Trumps minions is deluding themselves.
This is hardly the picture that the Trumpettes have painted of a raging horde of rapists...but then, they knew that. Kinda like Hitler and his supporters knew that the Jews they demonized were just people. And note, "his supporters." Anyone who wants to give the benefit of any doubt to Trumps minions is deluding themselves.
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I lay the blame for this not just at the doorstep of the Trump administration, but on lawmakers who for decades kicked the can of immigration reform down the road. If all the illegal immigrants were to be removed we would feel the pain of their departure in numerous ways. The 300 Million paid into the Social Security fund every year. The jobs no American will perform such as farm work, meat packing plants, housecleaning, on and on. This, then is the Trump plan for job creation, removing those undocumented workers assuming that legal citizens will automatically take their place. It is a calculated gamble that will implode in short order.
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Think of this as a jobs program for all those unemployed coal miners. They'll get away from the toil of the dark and dirty mines (strip mining, notwithstanding) and out into the fields picking lettuce and tomatoes. They can pack up the pick-up sporting the truckticles and follow the harvest. Upside is that it can be great exercise and possibly lessen their opioid dependency as work relieves the stress they feel. It's just a matter of framing.
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Yeah all those unemployed coal miners are going to love laboring in blistering heat to pick fruits and vegetables for 10 cents a bushel. What a great job opportunity.
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Too bad.
I do find it shocking that people are actually starting to do their job by the rules that were written. Perhaps this phenomenon could spread to Washington DC as well. And maybe if we're really lucky, to Wall Street, Big Banks and corporate boardrooms as well.
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The path forward to a functioning immigration system has always been through enforcement. Enforcement with a lot of publicity. This cleans up the current mess and, simultaneously, deters new illegal entrants. This is precisely what is occurring. It is precisely what those of us arguing for stronger enforcement have been saying for 20 years.
Further needed steps: mandatory eVerify with workplace audits to deter illegal hiring and a visa entry/exit tracking system to curtail visa overstays.
Further needed steps: mandatory eVerify with workplace audits to deter illegal hiring and a visa entry/exit tracking system to curtail visa overstays.
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It's amazing what happens when politicians say mean things about illegal aliens - they decide not to come. It was political malpractice that politicians spent so long lauding illegal aliens. Gross mistake. We didn't need to spend billions on the border patrol: politicians just needed to say mean things.
We are the exact demographic that other commenters refer to when they say that illegal aliens are needed to build things, clean our houses, take care of our kids, and maintain our garden. We must have an army of aliens tending to all those chores, right?
Wrong.
1. We do our own gardening.
2. We hired someone legally able to work in the US to look after our young children while we were at work and issued them a W2. That was part of our help wanted ad: "must be legally able to work in the US."
3. We hire only contractors that guarantee that all their workers are legally able to work and for whom their employer pays all the state required unemployment and disability insurance payments.
It's not hard.
I find everything about Trump deplorable, but on this issue you don't even need to lift a finger - just say mean things. How easy was that?
We are the exact demographic that other commenters refer to when they say that illegal aliens are needed to build things, clean our houses, take care of our kids, and maintain our garden. We must have an army of aliens tending to all those chores, right?
Wrong.
1. We do our own gardening.
2. We hired someone legally able to work in the US to look after our young children while we were at work and issued them a W2. That was part of our help wanted ad: "must be legally able to work in the US."
3. We hire only contractors that guarantee that all their workers are legally able to work and for whom their employer pays all the state required unemployment and disability insurance payments.
It's not hard.
I find everything about Trump deplorable, but on this issue you don't even need to lift a finger - just say mean things. How easy was that?
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Just an aside for those who think that we need illegal immigrant to take care of our kids, cut our lawns, and repair our houses:
Our help wanted ad for child care required all applicants to be legally able to work. We issued our household employee, who was legally able to work, a W2 and paid all applicable taxes.
Before signing construction contracts, I tell the contractor that all their workers must be legally able to work and they must be paying all applicable taxes. Illegal immigrants are not allowed on our property.
We take care of our own garden.
And, we are in the perfect location and income bracket to hire out all these things to illegal immigrants.
Our help wanted ad for child care required all applicants to be legally able to work. We issued our household employee, who was legally able to work, a W2 and paid all applicable taxes.
Before signing construction contracts, I tell the contractor that all their workers must be legally able to work and they must be paying all applicable taxes. Illegal immigrants are not allowed on our property.
We take care of our own garden.
And, we are in the perfect location and income bracket to hire out all these things to illegal immigrants.
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Thank you for taking care of our garden
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Illegal immigration is fundamentally a corruption problem. Despite laws that prohibit illegal immigration and prohibit employment of illegal immigrants, there has only been perfunctary enforcement within the interior of the country. This is by design as our politicians and business interests colude to keep the cheap labor spigot open. Immigration reform in the mold of 2013's S.744 repeats the failed policies of the IRCA of 1986 (summary legalization with the promise of future enforcement) and exposes our politicians venality for crafting legislation that is guaranteed to fail at controlling illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration is not a partisan issue. It is a sovereignty and existential issue for our country as we know it. Simply allowing the status quo to continue is corrosive to our democracy. We must vigorously enforce our immigration laws regardless of the consequences to the sectors of the economy that rely on illegal labor. Otherwise, there may not be an America in the future.
Illegal immigration is not a partisan issue. It is a sovereignty and existential issue for our country as we know it. Simply allowing the status quo to continue is corrosive to our democracy. We must vigorously enforce our immigration laws regardless of the consequences to the sectors of the economy that rely on illegal labor. Otherwise, there may not be an America in the future.
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"More than half of the increase in arrests were of immigrants who had committed no crime other than being in the country without permission."
So, what you meant to say in this line was "More than half of the increase in arrests were of illegal immigrants . . . "
So, what you meant to say in this line was "More than half of the increase in arrests were of illegal immigrants . . . "
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Good point. They could have also said "All of immigrants that were arrested had committed a crime; being in the county illegally."
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'Since Mr. Trump was elected, reports by Latinos of sexual assaults and domestic violence have declined sharply.'
This article's interpretation of this development is that Trump's more muscular enforcement is keeping Hispanics from reporting crime for fear of deportation.
Isn't it at least as likely that there is less reported crime such as domestic violence because the perpetrators are committing less crime for fear of being deported when reported? Or because habitual street criminals are returning to their countries of origin because they recognize that their time in the US is limited to the next time they are caught and would prefer to leave at a time of their own choosing rather than ICE's? A domestic abuser is far more dangerous to his victim if he is turned loose into the community than if he is held and deported, isn't he?
Because the Obama administration ultimately didn’t consider close to 90% of illegal immigrants a priority for deportation, deportations of illegal immigrants in the interior decreased by as much as 70% during his presidency. I am frequently amazed at the criminal records of some of the illegal aliens who finally do get deported or imprisoned. Why wait to remove a habitual criminal from US society until after he is bound for prison on a murder charge if he has no right to be here in the first place?
This article's interpretation of this development is that Trump's more muscular enforcement is keeping Hispanics from reporting crime for fear of deportation.
Isn't it at least as likely that there is less reported crime such as domestic violence because the perpetrators are committing less crime for fear of being deported when reported? Or because habitual street criminals are returning to their countries of origin because they recognize that their time in the US is limited to the next time they are caught and would prefer to leave at a time of their own choosing rather than ICE's? A domestic abuser is far more dangerous to his victim if he is turned loose into the community than if he is held and deported, isn't he?
Because the Obama administration ultimately didn’t consider close to 90% of illegal immigrants a priority for deportation, deportations of illegal immigrants in the interior decreased by as much as 70% during his presidency. I am frequently amazed at the criminal records of some of the illegal aliens who finally do get deported or imprisoned. Why wait to remove a habitual criminal from US society until after he is bound for prison on a murder charge if he has no right to be here in the first place?
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I'm pretty sure the Trump companies employ MANY undocumented immigrants. Go ahead, let's arrest their employer.
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The racism of the Trump administration is certainly a more escalated version of than that of the Obama administration. But let us not be fooled into thinking that, as this article states, "Mr. Obama’s policy was rooted in both humanitarian and budgetary reasons, but to Mr. Trump and his supporters, and many ICE agents, it represented a failure to enforce the law and a de facto amnesty for millions of people in the United States illegally." Excuse me? Humanitarian? What was the "humanitarian" response to the children of Honduras by the Obama administration? Let me remind you of the year 2014 when the US faced historic numbers of Central American children arriving to the border. Let me also refer you to Nicholas Kristof's NY Times article: "We're Helping Deport Kids to Die (July 16, 2016)" or to a Guardian article of a similar nature: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/12/obama-immigration-deport.... Again, there was NOTHING humanitarian about deporting these children who braved multiple border crossings, human traffickers and narco-warfare only to be deported. I will never forget this failure of a real humanitarian response to children in crisis and one which happened just a few years ago.
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Most of those deported are Hispanics only because Hispanics make up about 85 percent of unauthorized immigrants. Canadian and Europeans make up only 5.6 percent. Hispanic can be of any race, but most Hispanics are white. In the 2010 Census, 53.0% (26.7 million) of Hispanics self-identified as racially white. The other Hispanics listed their races as: some other race 36.7%, two or more races (multiracial) 6.0%, Black or African American 2.5%, American Indian and Alaska Native 1.4%, Asian 0.4%, and Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 0.1%. So how can immigration laws be characterized as racist?
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The ACLU's Omar Jadwat says we need a "strategy that would actually try to keep us all safer going forward.” Well, a good place to start is - nearly 16 years after 9/11 - to stop making excuses for not having implemented a entry/exit visa system; jailing employers who knowingly employ illegal aliens; and putting and end to the nation's decades-long message to the world that we're not serious about enforcing our immigration laws.
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Please don't ever blame the employer. There is a bill currently up for discussion in my state that states only the undocumented worker would be imprisoned. No mention of employer not doing I-9 form or other functions required by federal and state law to determine eligibility for employment. We must always be aware that the legislators are usually well funded by businesses and corporate friendly groups. Never bite the hand that feeds you.
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If someone has committed a crime AND is an undocumented immigrant, why should they be allowed to stay in this country when there are many people in foreign countries who are not criminals and want to become American citizens?
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A law enforcement agency is enforcing federal laws. Not sure why that is news.
Unless of course it is a change from the previous eight years where a rogue President refused to adhere to his
constitutional obligaion requiring him to enforcing Federal law.
Despite all the unsubstantiated hysteria the MSM is creating around Trump these days, Trump = WINNING!
Unless of course it is a change from the previous eight years where a rogue President refused to adhere to his
constitutional obligaion requiring him to enforcing Federal law.
Despite all the unsubstantiated hysteria the MSM is creating around Trump these days, Trump = WINNING!
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"Guadalupe Garcia de Rayos, a mother in Arizona, had used a false Social Security number to work at a water park."
Nice try. What The Times won't tell you is that Ms. de Rayos stole someone's Social Security number aka identity theft. She deserves to be back in Mexico, she can make a good life for herself there, and if not, she should push for a better government. A government that encourages its citizens to move elsewhere should be replaced.
Nice try. What The Times won't tell you is that Ms. de Rayos stole someone's Social Security number aka identity theft. She deserves to be back in Mexico, she can make a good life for herself there, and if not, she should push for a better government. A government that encourages its citizens to move elsewhere should be replaced.
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Why do none of our national leaders speak this truth. How can Vincente Fox be so condescending and proud when his people die trying to escape. It's mind boggling no U.S. spoke person asks them where their shame is.
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If only the same effort were applied to financial crime
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While agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) are being pulled from other departments to work on this paranoid, racist agenda, customs warehouses are backing up from lack of personnel to inspect incoming mail and such. Or so it seems. LA customs houses must be overflowing by now.
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It it not racism to send illegals home.
As the enforcement picks up, we also need to think about the Dreamers. Those who were brought here as kids, often as young as 2 or 3 years old. Who have lived in the US for 20 or 30 years. Who went to school pledging allegiance to the American flag. Who are Americans except on paper. Who cannot even speak the language of their native country. Who have worked and paid their taxes and contributed to our economy. Who have benefitted our society in so many ways. Who have taken little or no handouts from the government. Who have children who are US citizens. Thousands of these Dreamers are still not protected by the current DACA (maybe because they are too old of the age requirement or do not meet any other stringent qualification that DACA 1 has). If we allow this enforcement
to continue without pushing Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform, we are a participant in the destroying of the lives of these "wonderful people" (our friends, coworkers, and neighbors).
to continue without pushing Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform, we are a participant in the destroying of the lives of these "wonderful people" (our friends, coworkers, and neighbors).
Americans who shout e-verify or punish the employers do not understand the economics of illegal immigration. It is always cheaper to hire an illegal rather than a legal because hiring a legal worker comes with all kinds of additional expenses like Payroll Taxes, Unemployment, FICA and Disability. Illegals usually work in sectors where typically there are cash sales. By hiring an illegal the employer is not paying all kinds of taxes and overhead and gets a dedicated employee to boot who will not call in sick or not show up and may be more qualified than the job demands or pays and is willing to work long hours without complaining. In these sectors, the employer always looks for an illegal first and legals last. Everybody likes patriotism until they have to pay for it from their wallets!
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You would be surprised how many illegal "immigrants" work on the books and the employers pay all the burdens you enumerated. The illegal "immigrant" supplies a forged Social Security card and a perjured I-9.
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@ Rahul
I think most people do understand that. They think that citizens should be first in line for jobs regardless. That's why they want the employers punished.
I think most people do understand that. They think that citizens should be first in line for jobs regardless. That's why they want the employers punished.
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The "economics of illegal immigration". Is that like the "economics of prostitution" or the "economics of illegal drug trafficking"?
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I'm no fan of illegal immigration and suggest that requiring ALL employers to use e-verify would go a long way to solving the problem.
However, I am alarmed and disturbed by the ICE raids throughout South Florida and in my own community. The entire state of Florida is within the "border zone" but never have I seen, until this year and after Trump was inaugurated, random ICE raids at parks, restaurants, schools, festivals, etc. I now, sadly live in an ICE police state and it is a huge waste of resources as well.
However, I am alarmed and disturbed by the ICE raids throughout South Florida and in my own community. The entire state of Florida is within the "border zone" but never have I seen, until this year and after Trump was inaugurated, random ICE raids at parks, restaurants, schools, festivals, etc. I now, sadly live in an ICE police state and it is a huge waste of resources as well.
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It used to be the focus was on criminals and not families regarding illegal immigrants.
The new, long lasting jobs are the ones in clean-air technology.
As China cuts their prices by more than a quarter to the solar panels they dump in the U.S., bankrupting our companies, we stop subsidizing wind and solar technology and companies . . . we will be concentrating on sending home immigrants, many who pick grapes and oranges at $8/hr with no health and pension benefits.
As Trump sues a windfarm near his Scottish golf resort, blade and hub manufacturers for windmills in the U.S. are struggling, because prices are falling as global players battle for market share, making it harder to turn a profit.
This is where the “real” jobs will be lost.
The new, long lasting jobs are the ones in clean-air technology.
As China cuts their prices by more than a quarter to the solar panels they dump in the U.S., bankrupting our companies, we stop subsidizing wind and solar technology and companies . . . we will be concentrating on sending home immigrants, many who pick grapes and oranges at $8/hr with no health and pension benefits.
As Trump sues a windfarm near his Scottish golf resort, blade and hub manufacturers for windmills in the U.S. are struggling, because prices are falling as global players battle for market share, making it harder to turn a profit.
This is where the “real” jobs will be lost.
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Many criminals have families. Your point?
I am all against illegal immigration but this is such a slow, inefficient and costly way to stop it. It's all a show for gullible Trump voters because the administration doesn't really want to make big moves against illegal immigrants, scared of the economic consequences.
Go after the employers who gain the most by hiring these people. Slap heavy fines and they will stop hiring them. Stop birthright citizenship. These are measures that will cost very little and as a result some illegals will go home and some will give up attempts to enter illegally.
Go after the employers who gain the most by hiring these people. Slap heavy fines and they will stop hiring them. Stop birthright citizenship. These are measures that will cost very little and as a result some illegals will go home and some will give up attempts to enter illegally.
The laws of the United States are being upheld - oh the humanity
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Republicans figure that if they incarcerate every immigrant there will plenty of jobs for their constituency of Trump worshipers. By now we all know the "constituency" - look at background heads in Trump campaign photos...
Extraordinary Americans all.
Book 'em Sessions is a willing "Republican" that will follow orders if you know what I mean.
Extraordinary Americans all.
Book 'em Sessions is a willing "Republican" that will follow orders if you know what I mean.
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All those 50-something white guys can get great jobs making beds and cleaning hotel rooms. Making America Great Again!
For what its worth, dear Republicans, the late President Reagan is probably spinning in his grave.
Yeah, poor RR. His "last amnesty" sure paid off. What was it, 3 million? Now it's 10-15? Let's make everybody legal again. Next time it will 25, maybe 30 million. Oh what the hell, let's just do away with the borders altogether.
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"Many of the arrests took place at immigrants’ homes, as teams of agents spread out in the early hours of the morning to catch people before they left for work ..."
Similar to what happened to the Jews in the Old Testament and WWII Germany.
Similar to what happened to the Jews in the Old Testament and WWII Germany.
The immigration solution is simple-arrest the employers!
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Are we now going to see American citizens clearing highways in blistering heat? Answer is no. This is all about Trump's hatred for Mexicans. It's horrible and disgusting the way peaceful families are being torn apart. We are rapidly descending into a third world country.
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Oh, stop. We are entitled to enforce our immigration laws, just like our neighbors...Canada and Mexico. This is long overdue.
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Whew! For a minute there I thought we were becoming a third world country by importing, wholesale, 3rd world people.
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I'm with you. If we can't have slaves to do this work. The next best thing is illegal "immigrants".
Why aren't the Employers ever arrested?? Could it be because they are usually well-off, white, and republicans???? Just asking.
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Or it could be that people are using fake documents.
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Democratic administrations tolerated illegal immigration as much as Republican administrations did. Eleven million illegal immigrants didn't arrive over night. This population has been built up over decades - decades that included the administration of Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. It was a bipartisan phenomenon.
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Or, just maybe, they own farms in CA and FL and depend on migrant workers, many of them illegal, to pick crops and put fruit and salad on your dinner table.
Considering the farmers' profit margins, it doesn't matter which political party they belong to -- they are just trying to avoid the bankrupt party.
Considering the farmers' profit margins, it doesn't matter which political party they belong to -- they are just trying to avoid the bankrupt party.
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Well, Ms. Garcia de Rayos certainly doesn't look like a "bad hombre", does she?
Too bad Trump was caught again in one of his numerous lies, about not breaking up families for the sake of the children.
Of course, this all would've been different had she been working in one of his resorts...
Too bad Trump was caught again in one of his numerous lies, about not breaking up families for the sake of the children.
Of course, this all would've been different had she been working in one of his resorts...
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Nothing lures out the neo-Know Nothing Party quite like an immigration article in the New York Times. Congratulations, New York Times, who knew you had such a loyal readership of people who absolutely hate everything you print because they are all liberal lies? But why do they come here if they hate your news coverage so much? Perhaps they come for Mark Bittman's recipes and fashion coverage. Or perhaps FAIR (snort) or similar groups have troll brigades that is mobilized via social media every time something on immigration in the "lamestream" media. Who knows?
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Or perhaps you live in a self-imposed bubble in which everyone is like you and shares your views? On this side of your sealed world there exist diverse viewpoints.
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Actually, we come to the NY Times to read the opinions of snowflakes and Chicken Littles to remind us how out of touch the Left is with reality. Reading the insights of Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and Chuckie, like drinking coffee, helps keep us regular as an added benefit.
No, Citybumpkin,
We are not trolls. We are regular Time readers, but we disagree with their position on this issue. Until recently the democratic party was strongly opposed to illegal immigration because of the damage done to American citizens. Illegal immigration hurts American workers, and those who can least afford to lose their jobs or to earn less to maintain a paycheck.
There is no reason that house painters, roofers, construction workers and other craftspeople should have to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs. The true liberal position supports the middle and working classes.
We are not trolls. We are regular Time readers, but we disagree with their position on this issue. Until recently the democratic party was strongly opposed to illegal immigration because of the damage done to American citizens. Illegal immigration hurts American workers, and those who can least afford to lose their jobs or to earn less to maintain a paycheck.
There is no reason that house painters, roofers, construction workers and other craftspeople should have to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs. The true liberal position supports the middle and working classes.
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How would all you Trump supporters feel if your President interceded on one of these illegal's behalf and asked law enforcement to look the other way because "He's a good guy" or "I know him" or "I stand behind him no matter how many women say he sexually assaulted them."? All excuses Trump has used to plead for leniency in the Flynn, Sessions and OReilly cases. Illegality is paramount to you unless it involves some inner circle of white people. There are half a million illegal Irish people in the northeast. Betcha they're not on your radar.
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I deplore the persecution of the illegal immigrants but what I deplore more is the hypocrisy of the Dem (and Republican) lawmakers and many Liberals regarding throwing the book at the employers of the illegal immigrants. When ICE and the Feds went after such business owners of the Illegal Immigrant Exploitation Industrial Complex under Obama and Bush (like farms and meat-packers in the mid-West) some of the loudest protesters were Dem lawmakers and many Liberals.
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If employers who hired illegal immigrants were arrested and penalized at the same time their employees were arrested this travesty would stop right away. Where is the law suit over unequal treatment under the law? Both parties are guilty.
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All employers are required to do under current law is look at a Social Security card and get a completed I-9 form. Illegal "immigrants" buy inexpensive Social Security cards that look just as genuine as yours. And the illegal "immigrants" cheerfully commit perjury to fill out an I-9. Employers hire illegal "immigrants" every day and break no laws when they do. We need mandatory eVerify with workplace audits.
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Recently in southwestern Ohio, ICE deported a married mother of four who has lived here for years, never committed any crime (except having undocumented status), was an active volunteer in her Catholic parish, and was paying taxes as an employee of a local plant. She was doing everything the "right" way, including weekly meetings with immigration to gain legal status. She was then taken without warning in front of her home, with no opportunity to say good-bye to her children (all US citizens and one a toddler with special needs) and her husband. Despite pleas from both Senator Rob Portman (R) and Sherrod Brown (D) and Governor Kasich that she is NOT the kind of person ICE should be targeting, she was deported.
To date, there has been absolutely no indication that her employer was ever prosecuted or cited. What kind of country are we when we target decent, hard working people whose only "crime" is wanting a better life and making America better for their efforts? If we don't want undocumented workers coming to the US, the simple answer is to start prosecuting their employers with heavy fines and mandatory jail terms.
To date, there has been absolutely no indication that her employer was ever prosecuted or cited. What kind of country are we when we target decent, hard working people whose only "crime" is wanting a better life and making America better for their efforts? If we don't want undocumented workers coming to the US, the simple answer is to start prosecuting their employers with heavy fines and mandatory jail terms.
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We must end the lunacy of Birthright Citizenship and end once and for all the bleating about separating families.
By the way, the employer probably broke no laws as this woman will have supplied a forged Social Security card and perjured herself to fill out an I-9 form. You could audit this employer and find a copy of the forged card and perjured I-9.
By the way, the employer probably broke no laws as this woman will have supplied a forged Social Security card and perjured herself to fill out an I-9 form. You could audit this employer and find a copy of the forged card and perjured I-9.
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I agree with your second paragraph, that the employers of illegal immigrants should ALSO be prosecuted. However, despite her later life as a law abiding citizen, the woman you describe still broke the law when she came into the country.
If a man robbed a bank years ago, then used the proceeds to live an exemplary life after that, would you be in favor of his prosecution once he was discovered?
If a man robbed a bank years ago, then used the proceeds to live an exemplary life after that, would you be in favor of his prosecution once he was discovered?
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End birthright citizenship, now. No more anchor babies.
How many of those babies are born with federal and state dollars?
You never see those statistics. Children cost money. Most people put off having them because they can't afford to have them. Yet the people who should be not in our country are having the most, those who can least afford large families go ahead and have way too many on the taxpayers dime. Enough. No mas.
At least one parent MUST be a full US citizen in order for their children to become instant Americans. The birth lottery is exploited, always winners.
How many of those babies are born with federal and state dollars?
You never see those statistics. Children cost money. Most people put off having them because they can't afford to have them. Yet the people who should be not in our country are having the most, those who can least afford large families go ahead and have way too many on the taxpayers dime. Enough. No mas.
At least one parent MUST be a full US citizen in order for their children to become instant Americans. The birth lottery is exploited, always winners.
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KT. You are absolutely right. It is the unoken back door access to the u.s. and it's social services. It has to end.
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We're not going back to the 19th century.
A long time friend often rails against illegal immigrants and the public services they consume. When I pointed out the great deal he gets on his lawn care is probably because the guy is illegal, he shrugs. And that crystalizes the hypocrisy. This isn't about illegality, its about wanting them to be invisible.
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Nope. For most of us it's about illegality AND punishing the employers. It isn't an either or. Just because trump/the gov etc are not going after employers, and they should, doesn't mean it's ok to be here illegally, invisible or not.
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Thanks all the same, but I pay an American citizen neighbor to cut my lawn, and I mow the pastures.
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I'm not advocating for illegal immigration. It is...illegal. But I find the many comments about how 'they take away jobs from Americans' to be somewhat scapegoating. Just two articles in the last few days have stated some interesting facts.
1) Employment has not risen as fast as we'd like because employers claim they can't find "qualified" workers. This means having the basic skills necessary for the job.
2) An article just yesterday (in WaP, NYT ot WSJ) stated that more and more people are showing up at job interviews on drugs or alcohol.
Neither of these problems are related to illegal immigration.
1) Employment has not risen as fast as we'd like because employers claim they can't find "qualified" workers. This means having the basic skills necessary for the job.
2) An article just yesterday (in WaP, NYT ot WSJ) stated that more and more people are showing up at job interviews on drugs or alcohol.
Neither of these problems are related to illegal immigration.
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Some illegal immigrants certainly do take jobs away from American citizens.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/lawsuit-alleges-discrimination-aga...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/lawsuit-alleges-discrimination-aga...
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Pamela Katz, It's supply and demand. Employers can't find "qualified" workers because (1) they pay too little. Raise the offered wages and see how many applicants you get. (2) Racism, ageism, sexism - there are tens of millions of skilled and/or trainable workers available - employers disqualify on invalid criteria, and refuse to pay a penny to train anyone to do their jobs.
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So what happens to the employers of these illegals? Or have we decided that the folks complaining about no jobs will now step in and pick oranges and strawberries, work in the roofing industry, work in the landscaping industry, etc. Trump supporters waiting for the government (Trump) to supply them with jobs so they can get off their couches and bar stools should maybe look at doing some of this, since it's available and is becoming more available with every deportation. I realize this is snarky but it seems that the same people who complain of no jobs refuse to seek training in new areas, or work in other areas, and refuse to work at jobs 'beneath' them, but then don't want them done by the poor souls from other countries who view the work as better than starving. So what is it Trump voters? You want work then yes Trump will supply temporary jobs for unneeded pipelines and much needed infrastructure (the last one is a 'maybe' as he views it more important to throw out workers than to hire them) but all of us are in danger of being replaced by robots, automation, and artificial intelligence. So frankly this big hoo-haa about throwing out people ready to do the work none of the rest of us want to seems like a bunch hooey to me.
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Bravo. These are illegal aliens -- its is misleading to call them "immigrants" --
who either illegally and knowingly sneaked across the border into the United States, or knowingly overstayed their visas. Doing jobs Americans won't do? These illegals literally created the demand among greedy American employers for jobs Americans don't want to take because the illegals are willing to work in harsh conditions for the $7.25 minimum wage, below it, or for under the table cash in amounts too low to make a living without boarding with groups of people. Read recent articles in the L.A. Times about how when mid-state California farmers raised wages (to $12 an hour or more) amid a lowered workforce of illegals, more Americans applied for those jobs -- surprise, surprise. Why don't Americans know more about Latin America? Most of the heroin and meth in this country comes from Mexican cartels, who just this week murdered another journalist who wrote about organized crime. Then yesterday, federal and state officers in the city of Zihuatanejo, Mexico arrested 60 people and actually disarmed the entire local police force because it was infiltrated by organized crime. That is the kind of influence that is permeating the U.S. with unbridled tolerance of illegals from Mexico, where 85 percent of illegals hail from. The U.S. has the right to enforce border and immigration laws (passed by its Congress) to protect its citizens and its permanent and lawful residents.
who either illegally and knowingly sneaked across the border into the United States, or knowingly overstayed their visas. Doing jobs Americans won't do? These illegals literally created the demand among greedy American employers for jobs Americans don't want to take because the illegals are willing to work in harsh conditions for the $7.25 minimum wage, below it, or for under the table cash in amounts too low to make a living without boarding with groups of people. Read recent articles in the L.A. Times about how when mid-state California farmers raised wages (to $12 an hour or more) amid a lowered workforce of illegals, more Americans applied for those jobs -- surprise, surprise. Why don't Americans know more about Latin America? Most of the heroin and meth in this country comes from Mexican cartels, who just this week murdered another journalist who wrote about organized crime. Then yesterday, federal and state officers in the city of Zihuatanejo, Mexico arrested 60 people and actually disarmed the entire local police force because it was infiltrated by organized crime. That is the kind of influence that is permeating the U.S. with unbridled tolerance of illegals from Mexico, where 85 percent of illegals hail from. The U.S. has the right to enforce border and immigration laws (passed by its Congress) to protect its citizens and its permanent and lawful residents.
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Yet you are fine with not questioning Melania's path to citizenship. Just because she is a US Citizen doesn't mean she didn't break any immigration laws to get there. If a bigoted and hateful man like Drumpf and his racist worshippers are going after brown people in the guise of illegal immigration then he should have to prove that his wife's path to citizenship was above board. Also, if you have ever driven over the speed limit then you are a criminal and should go and report yourself right now.
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You may as well rant and rave at the rising and setting of the sun.
Eleven million people from Latin America are here, and another 170,000 to 200,000 a year will manage to sneak in.
Then you have Latino birth rates, roughly twice those of European-Americans. Wherever you live in the U.S. resign yourself to the fact that more and more brown people will live in your city and town. We're everywhere.
The United States primed the pump in 1942 when it successfully requested of the Mexican government the importation of agricultural guest workers. Some four million came while the program lasted. The rest is history.
You will hate this, but Mexicans were in the Southwest before the first European Americans had set foot here. San Antonio, San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco were not named by urban developers. We are not alien to this part of the world, my friend.
Deport us, hate us, scream at the top of your lungs. But we are a permanent part of the landscape. Don't let the xenophobic demagogues fool you.
I leave you with this quote from Elie Wesel, addressing undocumented immigrants:
You, who are so-called illegal aliens, must know that no human being is illegal. That is a contradiction in terms. Human beings can be beautiful or more beautiful, they can be fat or skinny, they can be right or wrong, but illegal? How can a human being be illegal?
Eleven million people from Latin America are here, and another 170,000 to 200,000 a year will manage to sneak in.
Then you have Latino birth rates, roughly twice those of European-Americans. Wherever you live in the U.S. resign yourself to the fact that more and more brown people will live in your city and town. We're everywhere.
The United States primed the pump in 1942 when it successfully requested of the Mexican government the importation of agricultural guest workers. Some four million came while the program lasted. The rest is history.
You will hate this, but Mexicans were in the Southwest before the first European Americans had set foot here. San Antonio, San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco were not named by urban developers. We are not alien to this part of the world, my friend.
Deport us, hate us, scream at the top of your lungs. But we are a permanent part of the landscape. Don't let the xenophobic demagogues fool you.
I leave you with this quote from Elie Wesel, addressing undocumented immigrants:
You, who are so-called illegal aliens, must know that no human being is illegal. That is a contradiction in terms. Human beings can be beautiful or more beautiful, they can be fat or skinny, they can be right or wrong, but illegal? How can a human being be illegal?
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The penalty for speeding is a ticket and fine and points on your license.
The penalty for unlawful entry is detention and deportation.
Why do you have a problem with the second?
The penalty for unlawful entry is detention and deportation.
Why do you have a problem with the second?
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Thank you, President Trump, for stopping illegal immigration. We're with you on this.
I'm really waiting for the stories about rounding up the Employers. Oh, that's right. They are white, and usually well-off. Hypocrisy, much?????
You're not an "immigrant" if you don't do it legally. Stop crying about foreign crooks and worry more about American citizens.
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You might want to look up the word "immigrant" in a dictionary.
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While your looking up words, try "illegal" as well.
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Bumpkin, and you might want to brush up on the difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants.
The people who are being arrested and sometimes deported are people who have committed crimes and come from other countries. For all of you who are upset about this, I suggest you establish a fund to pay for the billions of dollars which we US taxpayers pay to provide room and board to Illegal alien criminals.
When your fund for housing criminal illegal aliens reaches a billion dollars, let us know and we can consider if we want to keep those criminal illegal aliens in the US. Until then good-bye!
When your fund for housing criminal illegal aliens reaches a billion dollars, let us know and we can consider if we want to keep those criminal illegal aliens in the US. Until then good-bye!
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This is a national disgrace. Tearing apart families and targeting those with minor offenses including traffic violations. Kelly is cruel, and has become one of Trump's generals which like the compliant generals of any dictator misuse their military background to oppress civilians. Some of the deportees have been removed from hospitals, taken in a court house after suffering from domestic abuse, driving their children to school, and so forth. These are parents whose children are left orphaned or partially orphaned. Two deportees just died in Georgia, one from suicide and the other from congestive heart failures.
Fewer than 3,000 of these people committed violent crimes: that means everyone else has been targeted mostly for being brown and having a Hispanic name.
The people who support this also supported the Muslim ban and would support the mass detentions of the Japanese in WWII or the Jewish people in Nazi Germany or other crimes against humanity.
Heartless and cruel but also extremely bigoted people. The GOP is a party of white supremacists and the 1%ers these days, not of people with normal American values.
Fewer than 3,000 of these people committed violent crimes: that means everyone else has been targeted mostly for being brown and having a Hispanic name.
The people who support this also supported the Muslim ban and would support the mass detentions of the Japanese in WWII or the Jewish people in Nazi Germany or other crimes against humanity.
Heartless and cruel but also extremely bigoted people. The GOP is a party of white supremacists and the 1%ers these days, not of people with normal American values.
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SMB's statements are so inaccurate it is hard to know where to start.
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Start anywhere. I'd like to know your opinion.
Deporting a non-citizen from your country is a wee bit different than trying to exterminate all of the Jews in the world.
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Fair-minded readers really should check out the Center for Immigration Studies. I promise their research findings on undocumented immigrants will blow your mind. For instance:
-- Immigrants are job CREATORS. They need food, housing, etc. They add more to the economy than the jobs they take.
-- If you are the victim of a crime, the perpetrator is much likelier to be a neighbor or family member than an undocumented immigrant.
-- Undocumented immigrants stabilize communities.
Look it up, or don't pretend you know it all.
On another level: If you want to deport all the people who came here to share in the American dream, Jesus would be ashamed of you. "Love thy neighbor" means the neighbors God puts in our path, not the ones we choose for ourselves in our gated communities.
Every new group of immigrants, since the Irish and possibly before, has faced hatred and ignorance, then gone on to make this country stronger and better. Unless you are a full-blooded native American, you almost certainly have ancestors who would have been deported if today's laws were in effect then. Lucky you.
-- Immigrants are job CREATORS. They need food, housing, etc. They add more to the economy than the jobs they take.
-- If you are the victim of a crime, the perpetrator is much likelier to be a neighbor or family member than an undocumented immigrant.
-- Undocumented immigrants stabilize communities.
Look it up, or don't pretend you know it all.
On another level: If you want to deport all the people who came here to share in the American dream, Jesus would be ashamed of you. "Love thy neighbor" means the neighbors God puts in our path, not the ones we choose for ourselves in our gated communities.
Every new group of immigrants, since the Irish and possibly before, has faced hatred and ignorance, then gone on to make this country stronger and better. Unless you are a full-blooded native American, you almost certainly have ancestors who would have been deported if today's laws were in effect then. Lucky you.
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Black Americans have by and large never been immigrants.
Policy that may have made sense in 1890 doesn't necessarily make sense in 2017. Nations mature. Needs change.
Most Americans today aren't immigrants.
Love thy neighbor doesn't mean open borders . And lastly I thought that this nation was supposed to have separation of church and state. Or are you just picking the parts of religious teaching that you find to support your political views. That's fine but liberals tend to get upset when conservatives do that. How about we set immigration policy on what is best for American citizens in 2017 and not what someone mythical might have said 2000 years ago.
Policy that may have made sense in 1890 doesn't necessarily make sense in 2017. Nations mature. Needs change.
Most Americans today aren't immigrants.
Love thy neighbor doesn't mean open borders . And lastly I thought that this nation was supposed to have separation of church and state. Or are you just picking the parts of religious teaching that you find to support your political views. That's fine but liberals tend to get upset when conservatives do that. How about we set immigration policy on what is best for American citizens in 2017 and not what someone mythical might have said 2000 years ago.
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The statistical picture is incomplete and misleading.
What's missing?
1. The number who elude detection or capture and get in. Estimates for 2015, latest available, put the total at between 170,000 and 200,000 per year.
2. Those deported often don't stay deported. An unknown number make their way back. So you have something of a revolving door phenomena.
3. In FY 2015, nearly 500,000 foreigners who came in on visas failed to return home. Thus they became undocumented immigrants with no traces left behind for the feds.
My ethnic Mexican family has lived in Los Angeles since 1943 and in Texas from 1870 until the move to California. We are all U.S citizens, of course, and we have seen this hyped-up, round 'em up and throw 'em out, theater time and again.
One would think these deportation drives would have ethnically cleansed California by now.
They haven't, plainly, nor will they.
Because the many economically important industries that absolutely depend on cheap immigrant labor won't permit it.
If the Trump Administration really wanted to end undocumented immigration it would issue 2017-era Social Security cards.
Take a look at your card. It's just a slip of thick paper with your name and Social Security number.
Make the cards as secure as a drivers license. These cards would be required to get a job. Employers who hire without having a record of the new Social Security cards would be heavily fined.
That's the solution, but it will never be put into effect.
What's missing?
1. The number who elude detection or capture and get in. Estimates for 2015, latest available, put the total at between 170,000 and 200,000 per year.
2. Those deported often don't stay deported. An unknown number make their way back. So you have something of a revolving door phenomena.
3. In FY 2015, nearly 500,000 foreigners who came in on visas failed to return home. Thus they became undocumented immigrants with no traces left behind for the feds.
My ethnic Mexican family has lived in Los Angeles since 1943 and in Texas from 1870 until the move to California. We are all U.S citizens, of course, and we have seen this hyped-up, round 'em up and throw 'em out, theater time and again.
One would think these deportation drives would have ethnically cleansed California by now.
They haven't, plainly, nor will they.
Because the many economically important industries that absolutely depend on cheap immigrant labor won't permit it.
If the Trump Administration really wanted to end undocumented immigration it would issue 2017-era Social Security cards.
Take a look at your card. It's just a slip of thick paper with your name and Social Security number.
Make the cards as secure as a drivers license. These cards would be required to get a job. Employers who hire without having a record of the new Social Security cards would be heavily fined.
That's the solution, but it will never be put into effect.
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Canada won't let me work a construction job without valid permits and a working visa. (and good luck getting one) Why should the US? My construction buddies are suffering, unable to find good paying jobs, mostly because people that are here illegally underbid their profession. Construction used to pay well, and was a great stepping stone for many. .....enough of this.
This is the one and only thing Trump is doing that makes some sense, even though the process seems haphazard and poorly executed and disingenuous......Personally, though I would like to go to Canada, there's no way that I would expect to go there illegally, raise a family, get a job, and EXPECT to get away with it.
This is the one and only thing Trump is doing that makes some sense, even though the process seems haphazard and poorly executed and disingenuous......Personally, though I would like to go to Canada, there's no way that I would expect to go there illegally, raise a family, get a job, and EXPECT to get away with it.
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No other country allows US citizens to just waltz in and stay and or work-NONE!
I would not mind moving to Canada or Norway or New Zealand or Australia.
Not an option. But anyone can come here to our country. ANYONE.
I would not mind moving to Canada or Norway or New Zealand or Australia.
Not an option. But anyone can come here to our country. ANYONE.
What I don't understand is how you are blaming the illegal aliens who have taken the construction jobs, instead of the construction companies willingly hiring these people instead of well qualified Americans such as yourself. The companies are the ones looking at the bottom line, cutting corners, thinking about how they can save money and keep profits to themselves. Where is your anger at them? Where is your expectation of them to follow the labor and employment laws in this country? I for one don't blame any person in this country (legal or illegal) for taking an opportunity over anybody else. Everybody has to worry about themselves, and if I'm illegal looking for work, I will take it.
Your comment brings to mind the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game"
Your comment brings to mind the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game"
Every spring there is an annual round up of criminal illegal aliens living and working on Nantucket Island and Martha's Vineyard but never on the rest of Cape Cod. Only in these very high end resort islands. Must clear out the riff-raff before the summer residents return. The local police departments hold these men until ICE can pick them up. Just happened last week, right before the Memorial Day holiday weekend. Selective geographic ICE enforcement indeed.
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Get the rest of the Cape.
To have a headline "Immigration Arrests Rise Sharply" while then discussing illegal aliens would give my 16 year old a D- at High School.
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Immigrants please go home, make great your nation not a nazi state. Also tourists, don't spend your money in a nazi state, and i hope that european states will be very hard with american citizens, like usa with europeans at airports (usa police check european mobile phone, and request facebook password).
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What about the other half of the equation: the illegal employers?
E-Verify should be mandatory for employer to use, not voluntary. Employers who hire undocumented workers should receive stiff penalties, not just "cost of doing business" fines.
Our government really is not serious about ending the flow of cheap, easy to exploit labor into this country. They are going after the most vulnerable link-- the desperate migrant. What about illegal employers?
E-Verify should be mandatory for employer to use, not voluntary. Employers who hire undocumented workers should receive stiff penalties, not just "cost of doing business" fines.
Our government really is not serious about ending the flow of cheap, easy to exploit labor into this country. They are going after the most vulnerable link-- the desperate migrant. What about illegal employers?
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Why only 38%? If we had 380% then we will be on the road to an illegal-alien free America. No longer will illegal aliens be subsidized by the American taxpayer when they use public services.
BTW isn't it funny the Democrats always stress the "rule of law" when it comes to anything that President Trump does. But try to deport illegal aliens and these same Democrats will impede ICE, violating Federal law.
BTW isn't it funny the Democrats always stress the "rule of law" when it comes to anything that President Trump does. But try to deport illegal aliens and these same Democrats will impede ICE, violating Federal law.
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This is not a trump mandate, it is obeying and enforcing American laws already on the books.
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If this were 1941, the headline would be "Many Obstacles Are Seen to U.S., Canada and Australia, Taking in Large Number of Jewish Refugees". We should all be ashamed - this country is special and should exercise more compassion. Our leaders have destabilized the Middle East (due to incompetence, not bad intentions) but now this is all Europe's problem?
We are all immigrants or descendants of immigrants. .
We are all immigrants or descendants of immigrants. .
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How's that "compassion" working out for Copenhagen?
Your federal government is looking the other way while 8 million illegal aliens remain in our workforce, most of them in construction and manufacturing. Jobs Americans "won't do?" Not according to the Labor Department that says the majority of these jobs are already being done by Americans. Meanwhile, 50 million working-age Americans are out of the workforce. How about "exercising more compassion" for these fellow citizens?
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If the ostensibly peaceful countries of Europe had joined in to fight the instability and terrorism in the Middle East, rather than relying upon the US to defend them against terrorists, the instability would have been resolved ten years ago. But the "peace lovers" are actually cheap and happy to freeload off the Americans for their safety.
The Europeans are now paying the price for having failed to act when America was attacked. The terrorists have less cash available since Bush diminished their access to the banking system, so they are only able to travel to Europe and terrorize there.
You can, however, thank Obama for giving the Iranians a couple of plane loads of cash to finance terrorists. It would have been illegal under US law to use bank transfers.
The Europeans are now paying the price for having failed to act when America was attacked. The terrorists have less cash available since Bush diminished their access to the banking system, so they are only able to travel to Europe and terrorize there.
You can, however, thank Obama for giving the Iranians a couple of plane loads of cash to finance terrorists. It would have been illegal under US law to use bank transfers.
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Sorry, not sorry. What part of illegal does the NYT not understand?
You don't have a country without borders. You don't have a country without laws. Why do illegals get to pick and choose which laws they will follow?
By the way, I'm not aware of any discussion or debate over how the endless flows of immigrants, legal and illegal, have helped the average American. Wages have not gone up for the average American during the past 40 years of crazy levels of immigration. The nation has not improved. The election of Trump was a giant wake up call that the average American is fed up with an elite that profits from cheap labor and population growth, while the average Joe is screwed.
You don't have a country without borders. You don't have a country without laws. Why do illegals get to pick and choose which laws they will follow?
By the way, I'm not aware of any discussion or debate over how the endless flows of immigrants, legal and illegal, have helped the average American. Wages have not gone up for the average American during the past 40 years of crazy levels of immigration. The nation has not improved. The election of Trump was a giant wake up call that the average American is fed up with an elite that profits from cheap labor and population growth, while the average Joe is screwed.
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The average American does NOT benefit from immigration, legal or otherwise.
If anything it hurts us. Legal immigration should be halved.
If anything it hurts us. Legal immigration should be halved.
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The recent outrage at ICE showing up at a public school in NY to find a 4th grader was all completely fabricated.
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How do you know?.... You aren't even here.
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That that fake news source came directly from de Blasio's office. Time for him to go as well.
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There was follow up news that it didn't happen that way (of course, got way less press and air time). Not ICE agents, but rather USCIS officers (USCIS adjudicates benefits, they do not do enforcement or deportation) asked staff at the school for information as part of an investigation into the bona fides of a benefit application. Nobody even asked to see the child. Nobody was sought for arrest. It was a panic/hysteria thing online yesterday.
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Pandering to the base, bigly. I'm mixed-part Cherokee. I find this all extremely ironic, amusing, and SAD. WE have more important things to do, like, maybe, getting a more competent government. Seriously.
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Phyliss. We do not care whether you are mixed-part chihuahua but certainly agree we all wish for a more competent government at all levels but that's been an issue since the country's beginning,
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I don't want to complain, but that's it? Only 38% increase?
America deserves better than that. The administration should strive to deport at least 4 million illegal aliens each year -- and that is being overly generous toward those scofflaws.
America deserves better than that. The administration should strive to deport at least 4 million illegal aliens each year -- and that is being overly generous toward those scofflaws.
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There are two other parts to the story. When the Obama administration picked up people who were entitled to be seen by an immigration, the policy was to catch and release. They would not show up for their hearings four years later, so they'd have to be re-caught, Those picked up by Trump are being detained. Anyone not in the country for over two years is no longer entitled to a hearing, Under Obama, if they hid out for two weeks, they were entitled to four years of residence.
Second part of the story is that attempted illegal crossings across the southern border are down 75%.
Second part of the story is that attempted illegal crossings across the southern border are down 75%.
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Why isn't the ICE also going after the tens of thousands of Irish who are in Boston illegally?
http://www.npr.org/2015/10/24/451213832/for-irish-illegally-in-u-s-a-lif...
Yeah - I wonder what the difference could be. Hmm...
http://www.npr.org/2015/10/24/451213832/for-irish-illegally-in-u-s-a-lif...
Yeah - I wonder what the difference could be. Hmm...
Wow, lots of concern here in the comments for crimes being committed. How many of you are also concerned about driving an illegal speed? I didn't think so. For some reason immigration laws spur a special response from those who pretend to be so well behaved. While it may feel good to lash out at people coming to our country to live and work, a large crackdown on immigration will end up hurting our economy and country.
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There is no crack down on immigration. There is however a more intense effort to enforce our laws against illegal-immigration.
Please work on understanding the significant difference.
Please work on understanding the significant difference.
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Yeah, so let's not enforce any law. You must have a lot of education.
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If I get caught speeding I get a ticket and pay a fine. That's the law.
If I get caught sneaking into someone else's country I get kicked back to my country. That's the law.
Why do you have a problem with these laws? What is unfair about these laws?
If I get caught sneaking into someone else's country I get kicked back to my country. That's the law.
Why do you have a problem with these laws? What is unfair about these laws?
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If the Democrats believed in enforcing our immigration laws, there wouldn't be all of the above the fold articles in the NYT's about Trump because he would have lost the election.
The majority want our nation's immigration laws enforced. That goes for those who are here illegally from India and China; not just those from Central America. You aren't an immigrant if you are here illegally, you are a criminal.
The majority want our nation's immigration laws enforced. That goes for those who are here illegally from India and China; not just those from Central America. You aren't an immigrant if you are here illegally, you are a criminal.
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Too bad that's such a baseless argument, when Obama deported more illegal aliens than any other president thus far.
You must have missed the fact that he didn't do it with as much fanfare as you're used to seeing with Trump.
You must have missed the fact that he didn't do it with as much fanfare as you're used to seeing with Trump.
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Sorry n smith, but the supposed rise in deportations under Obama is a lie. An accounting trick whereby he started counting people turned around at the border, as had been done for ever, and not counted as "deportations" and decided to call them deported. This allowed him to claim he was departing more people, but in effect the deportations had hardly changed. Yes, st Obama was dishonest about that.
No. Prtesident Obama didn't deport more illegal immigrants than anyone else. What he did do was change the definition of deportation to include people that were caught at the border. But he simultaneously dropped interior enforcement.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html
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With the tax base weakening in most states and towns, can we really afford to keep allowing illegal aliens and their families? This is impossible to continue without generous tax revenues. It just can't work properly. There is no money left to support people who are in our country illegally. Period.
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I am sure that Guadalupe's daughters are also Mexican citizens and will have no problem in Mexico.
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Alright, and while we are at it, send those drunken Irish back, the Chinese, the Greeks, Italians...and those Germans who started two wars and got hundreds of thousands of real Americans killed...and hope THE GOVERNMENT doesn't make a mistake and deport US citizens in the process.
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If they are here illegally, then sure.
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QED - So, you support the nastiness and hypocrisy of Trump hiring illegal immigrants as contractors, then treating them with zero dignity and making their lives impossible. That makes your opinion worth what exactly?
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Hey, David, us Italians came here legally. It is VERY hard to enter the U.S. from Italy without a big ship. And mi amici e famiglia were sent right back if they did not have all their papers in order. Also, in re the wars, my father was fighting on Omaha Beach Day One while many Italians here in the U.S. were in camps in the midwest created by dear old FDR.
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As usual, Trump's policies benefit no one. The U.S. loses valuable contributors to our economy, contributors that were encouraged to live and work here, cleaning homes, busing tables, harvesting fields and orchards, landscaping, constructing buildings, babysitting, mucking stables and grooming horses, and working under some God-awful conditions in poultry plants, as the NYT reported recently. Yes, these are the people who do the jobs that Americans turn down because the wages are low.
Trump is also tearing apart families. Children without parents, etc., etc., etc. If Trump keeps this up, our economy will take a real hit. Much better to set up programs to legalize these hard-working people, unless they are hardened criminals, by which they should be deported or jailed.
For those that claim the illegal immigrants have taken away American jobs, their impact amounts to a fraction of the job loss. Automation, competition, and globalization are here. We can't run from it, isolate ourselves from it. The solution isn't closed doors, but the comparatively open doors that have made our country great. Trump flails and fails as he tilts at imaginary demons.
Trump is also tearing apart families. Children without parents, etc., etc., etc. If Trump keeps this up, our economy will take a real hit. Much better to set up programs to legalize these hard-working people, unless they are hardened criminals, by which they should be deported or jailed.
For those that claim the illegal immigrants have taken away American jobs, their impact amounts to a fraction of the job loss. Automation, competition, and globalization are here. We can't run from it, isolate ourselves from it. The solution isn't closed doors, but the comparatively open doors that have made our country great. Trump flails and fails as he tilts at imaginary demons.
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…Im absolutely agree!
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It is not just a claim that some illegal immigrants take American jobs.
There are American citizens who are being hurt by employers (and illegal immigrants themselves) having preference for illegal immigrants.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/lawsuit-alleges-discrimination-aga...
There is no job that American citizens won't do. Not a single one.
There are American citizens who are being hurt by employers (and illegal immigrants themselves) having preference for illegal immigrants.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/lawsuit-alleges-discrimination-aga...
There is no job that American citizens won't do. Not a single one.
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Shameful. Hardworking immigrants arrested on their way to work, to contribute to our society, to make their bosses richer and ease the workload of Americans who won't do their jobs. Immigrants who work hard for low wages to feed their children, mothers and grandmothers who care for the family. Shameful. The very vulnerable women and children can no longer report crimes in fear of being arrested. The immigrants are subject to theft, mistreatment and other crimes against them without recourse or aid from the police without fear of going to jail. Shameful.
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Not shameful, why do they insist on staying here illegally for years without going on for citizenship?
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What part of illegal don't you understand?
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Because it will take 15 to 25 years if you are from someplace like Mexico. These people work and create jobs. Things Americans have have forgotten how to do. We should be making it easier to immigrate.
Constructing a fence has become a contentious issue with landowners in Texas whose property abuts the Rio Grande given the eminent domain laws. Given the river varies widely in water depth at various points, a potential solution, in lieu of a wall, would be building locks all along the 1854 miles of the river so as to maintain consistent river deepness. This would allow for each section to sustain its own water patrol.
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Illegal immigration means one word, illegal. They are breaking the law. As simple as that. We need a chosen immigration, we need to welcome people who will add to this country, not people who will be another burden.
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I am glab to see people talking about the employer responsibility of hiring illegals and the fact that politicians never make this an issue. Let's face it rich republicans and corporate democrats love cheap labor so they really don't want to end illegal immigration. But there is a even bigger bug in the room that everyone ignores and that is how hard it is to become a legal citizen. The process is too difficult and hasn't been improved in decades. If policy is the focus and not politics then this should be the discussion. The whole narrative needs to change. I purpose everyone try to act like a non-citizen applying to be a citizen, so you can learn how difficult it is. As a matter of fact the NYT could create such an web-based application.
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Wow! The last few paragraphs of this article provide an example of how cutting back on immigration can help working-class Americans find more work and bid up their wages.
This acknowledgement might be a first for an immigration news article in the New York Times.
This acknowledgement might be a first for an immigration news article in the New York Times.
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If only H-1B an H-2b visas could be reduced or eliminated too.
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Yes. Let's employ and if needed, educated and employ u.s. citizens first and foremost. With 325 million people and millions unemployed it is totally dishonest to talk of bringing in anyone from another country to work here. We have an oversupply of people now. Let's put them to work before we import even one more person from abroad.
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I'd like to hear farmer's weigh in. As I understand it, farmers can't get "Americans" to work the crops?
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Just think of it! There are agricultural worked visas for that purpose!
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Correction. They can't get Americans to work the crops for the same wages they pay illegals.
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Good. Stop the whining and misplaced bleeding heart crocodile tears for people who have broken our immigration laws. Throw them out. The rule of law applies to everyone, and Americans are tired of watching illegal aliens thumb their noses at us while illegals game the system to their own benefit.
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What are the government's plans for all of the American citizen children of the undocumented who now face an even more challenging road ahead without 1 or both parents? Will the taxpayers be supporting them? How about the emotional and psychological effects as these kids grow and become adults? Will this make them better contributors to society? Likely the opposite. So what is indeed the end game here? Or has no one in power actually thought this through?
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Presumably the illegals will return to their country of origin with their anchor babies in tow.
After all, given that the Left believes illegals come to the US for the good of their children, how can you argue that said children will be abandoned by their loving parents?
After all, given that the Left believes illegals come to the US for the good of their children, how can you argue that said children will be abandoned by their loving parents?
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Just a bit of perspective as my community has a number of illegal immigrants. Absolutely certain types of employers encouraged illegal immigration; however, prior to E-Verify recall that a job applicant who presented with identification that appeared authentic could not automatically be rejected based on appearance and/or lack of English speaking ability. Of course, many of these people were applying for low level, low paying jobs requiring no special education. IDs that looked 100% authentic were easily & cheaply obtained thanks to printing technology. More companies (larger ones in particular) use E-Verify today, but small local ones such as landscapers, painters, restaurants, etc. usually do not & may pay workers in cash. Meanwhile, the societal costs are significant when a big enough illegal population clusters in a town or small city ... especially school systems, social service organizations, hospital ER's. Also consider that ~$25 billion was sent to Mexico last year - mostly sent by illegal immigrants. That's money not being spent in local communities.
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I wonder if the quoted Mr Hayes has looked at his own work. Perhaps he loses jobs because his work is not good. Or he overprices. Or he has a bad attitude. Etc. It is SO easy to blame immigrants for all that ails, isn't it?!
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Or, perhaps he is being underbid by less scrupulous competitors. I have known construction contractors who have been driven out of business because they were unwilling to hire illegal workers, and could not compete with competitors who did so.
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...Or maybe it's actually the ability of competitors to underbid companies like his by utilizing illegal immigrant labor (which is cheaper).
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Landscaping is not rocket science... if he's already in the business he's doubtless sufficiently competent to manage the work at an acceptable level.
Your comment resembles the arguments given by H1b contract companies...
Your comment resembles the arguments given by H1b contract companies...
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Problem is, whom are they arresting? Mostly the immigrants who have taken steps to comply and achieve legal status. Won't arresting people essentially for arriving for their required hearings discourage others from even attempting to become authorized? INS is filling quotas the easiest way possible. It is not in the interests of our country. Better would be to give INS quotas on investigating employers who are cheating the system (by hiring "illegals" to save money.)
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There is absolutely no pathway from illegal status to legal status save for leaving the country and applying to legally enter the country.
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Actually the INS has files on about one million criminal illegal aliens and these are the top priority for arrest and deportation as they should be. Who could be stupid enough to want to keep foreigners who have committed crimes in our country at taxpayer expense? There is no logic in that.
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Good luck to all the working class Trump voters that depend on these types of people to help grow their food.
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Only 38%? I was hoping for 3800%. It's going to take a lot more arrests and deportations to catch them all.
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More job does open up for Americans?
But we're not talking about skilled hi tech jobs, nanny jobs or washing dishes, we're talking about crop picking in the hot sun - fruit off the trees or vegetables out of the ground.
I'm white, and my parents had us "walk beans" for a local farmer in Iowa. We started @ 5 am and stopped around 1 pm due to over whelming heat in the fields. That's how we earned money for new school clothes.
BLACKS, WHITE, ASIAN, etc men, women & working age young adults, that are LEGAL American citizens will not do that kind of work because of the LOW PAY, low status or because of the BACK BREAKING PHYSICAL toll on the body.
So lets get ready for a major increase in FRESH food prices in the stores and in the restaurants.
But we're not talking about skilled hi tech jobs, nanny jobs or washing dishes, we're talking about crop picking in the hot sun - fruit off the trees or vegetables out of the ground.
I'm white, and my parents had us "walk beans" for a local farmer in Iowa. We started @ 5 am and stopped around 1 pm due to over whelming heat in the fields. That's how we earned money for new school clothes.
BLACKS, WHITE, ASIAN, etc men, women & working age young adults, that are LEGAL American citizens will not do that kind of work because of the LOW PAY, low status or because of the BACK BREAKING PHYSICAL toll on the body.
So lets get ready for a major increase in FRESH food prices in the stores and in the restaurants.
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Chances are you could not now get a farmer to hire your children to do that same bean work that was available to you. Low paying jobs that kids used to get easily are not readily available these days, can you figure out why?
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....create a class of wage slaves from underdeveloped countries?
http://nfwm.org/education-center/farm-worker-issues/timeline-of-agricult...
http://nfwm.org/education-center/farm-worker-issues/timeline-of-agricult...
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We already did.
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Out with the illegal aliens. Period. This is something the Administration is doing right.
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Trump is in deep with the Russians, yet you still support him? Don't you see? He's headed for impeachment and maybe even some jail time. Americans really need to get their priorities straight now.
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Scott does that include all the Europeans that over stay their visas and here illegally?
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These people come here to work hard an support their families. Whats more American that that. I say out with American citizens who wont work. These people are doing the work that whining because their factory job wasn;t guaranteed for life, opioid addicted, Americans won't . Maybe these are the ones we should be deporting.
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Pure Nativism! Nothing more!
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Good.
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On a visit to North Carolina. Strawberries in in season, full force. The farmers' markets are loaded with them. The sights and smells are wonderful! I asked one farmer, an somewhat older fellow, as I am, who did the picking. My curiosity - strawberry picking is back-breaking, labor-intensive, delicate work. He said with a slight flinch or twist in his neck and head, ''Mexicans''.
I didn't ask more. Wondered, of course. Legal? Illegal? And I then wondered: North Carolina - went red in the 2016 election. So many of the arrests I've read about are in blue states - California, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada. Curious, I thought. And while ICE may say it is focused on criminals, that apparently includes those driving without a license and other petty or minor offenses. Hardly protecting the nation. Meanwhile, back in North Carolina, the strawberries are so yummy ...
Something seems rotten here in Denmark.
I didn't ask more. Wondered, of course. Legal? Illegal? And I then wondered: North Carolina - went red in the 2016 election. So many of the arrests I've read about are in blue states - California, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada. Curious, I thought. And while ICE may say it is focused on criminals, that apparently includes those driving without a license and other petty or minor offenses. Hardly protecting the nation. Meanwhile, back in North Carolina, the strawberries are so yummy ...
Something seems rotten here in Denmark.
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North Carolina did go to Trump in 2016, but we managed to elect a Democratic Governor as well as Attorney General.
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And did those workers have visas? Why are you assuming they're illegal? I prefer facts.
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Sure, current immigration laws should be enforced, but enforced uniformly, across the board. The focus from most of the commenters is on those who ENTER the U.S. illegally. Very little is being done to deport those who entered the U.S. LEGALLY (usually with a tourist visa) and have simply stayed here. Stayed here for years past their visa expiration, frequently working at white collar jobs, because they are white, often well-educated, and speak English. These are the illegals who are taking jobs that our citizens need.
Why aren't they being targeted by ICE? Can you imagine your outrage if the lovely girl working in your department, the one with the charming Irish accent, was suddenly hauled away from her desk by I.C.E. agents?
Don't worry, it's not gonna happen because we all know the laws are only for the "little" people with brown skin who take clean your house, pick your crops, care for your kids & wash your car.
Why aren't they being targeted by ICE? Can you imagine your outrage if the lovely girl working in your department, the one with the charming Irish accent, was suddenly hauled away from her desk by I.C.E. agents?
Don't worry, it's not gonna happen because we all know the laws are only for the "little" people with brown skin who take clean your house, pick your crops, care for your kids & wash your car.
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I agree, your highness. However, those who you state are working white collar jobs et al. are probably paying taxes, SS, etc., so are contributing to pay for those who are here illegally and draining the system - hence, they are put on the back burner.
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Instituting mandatory E-Verify will take care of both those who enter the US illegally and those who overstay their visas. Neither will be qualified to work here. It can't happen too soon for me.
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Nearly all those who overstay their visas go home when ICE threatens them with legal action. Since there are no deportation proceedings, they don't count as deportees. People who overstay their visas are more likely to eventually go home than illegal border crossers even if they are not caught.
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won't the bigots be surprised when they have no one to do their labor. I live next to a Trumpkin who is always whining about "illegals", but every time he needs some labor he hire the "illegals" to do it. A hypocrite...like every republican I have ever known.
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Hallelujah they are leaving! The keyword ILLEGAL seems to mean nothing. I don't care for whatever reason they come here, just don't be an ILLEGAL. We must also go after the companies that hire them. Go to work Mr. Trump.
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Many would agree with you, but the VERY broken work visa program needs fixing. If it worked, we wouldn't have the problems we have now.
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The wage rate of the lowest quintile of workers will not rise till illegal immigration is taken care of. Blacks reached their peak household income towards the end of the Clinton years, after which massive illegal and legal immigration lowered their wages a great deal. Finally, is it proper policy to increase immigration EVERY YEAR no matter the state of the economy, that sounds more like ideology than policy.
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Immigration adds massive amounts of consumer dollars. Corporations love immigration-more and more spenders and buyers and people with needs.
Keeps rentals prices sky high too.
Keeps rentals prices sky high too.
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Exactly KT. The ultimate Ponzi scheme of American capitalism. The end game is a country that looks like China or India. Paradise on earth.
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"Since Mr. Trump was elected, reports by Latinos of sexual assaults and domestic violence have declined sharply." Then "Homan said that more than 2,700 of those arrested had been convicted of serious crimes like assault, rape or murder." Perhaps instead of the interpretation that is offered of folks being to frightened of deportation to come forward, there is actually less need to report crime as the criminals are the ones being deported?
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Juking the stats/papering over the cracks/etc etc.
This doesn't solve anything.
This doesn't solve anything.
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All these folks need do is scrape together a half million bucks each, invest it with the Kushner family and get a Green Card. What's the big deal?
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Making sure this is well publicized abroad could save us the $20 BB for an ineffective border wall.
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Republicans favorite activity is preying on the most vulnerable people of society. I don't know what kind of pleasure they derive from it, but it's really crude and socially unacceptable. It'll be interesting when our food prices skyrocket, for the lack of immigrant workers.
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At the same time, Democrats throw black, Latino and white American citizens under the bus by supporting/encouraging illegal aliens.
You tell me who's preying on the most vulnerable American citizens of society.
You tell me who's preying on the most vulnerable American citizens of society.
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This is a great beginning toward the goal of securing America's borders. Europe should pay attention and learn from Trump's border control policies.
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Yeah, because Europe has exactly one border where people come in, and it's not close to any worn-torn countries producing millions of refuges.
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UNfortunately the response of the dems will not be to put forth a reasonable immigration platform and plan but that we must just throw the doors open like that rocket scientist markel did in Europe, leading to the nightmare they are living now. It's time to not use emotion and heart tugging stories to decide our immigration policies.
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Says the man in Iceland...
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What we need is a national, mandatory E-Verify. And jail time for CEOs of companies that hire illegal immigrants. (Once they can't get jobs, illegal immigrants will leave on their own.) Trouble is, Democrats are willing to throw their traditional base--working class Americans--under the bus because they think most illegal immigrants, once legalized, will become Democratic voters. The GOP also doesn't want E-Verify because they like the cheap, easily exploitable labor, as it makes the wealthy even wealthier--at the expense of the working class.
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Ok, I live in Texas. Right now a local man and architect are building a restaurant and clearing another lot for, I am not sure. Many or most of the workers are undocumented. Not one INS person has been here at all, I can see from my office window the entire operation. I am glad for this but wonder how do these people that hire the men get away with this ? This work is going on right on the main street. I am sure if you live in a border state you see this all the time too, every single day.
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Because repubs take care of each other, they go after the illegals but never those that hire them. Who else would vote republican? Can't have one without the other. Don't look for INS any time soon.
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It would be a lot better just to build a wall north of Texas and give it back to Mexico...
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So, call in a report if you're so sure.
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Trump lost the popular vote by roughly 3 million and won the Electoral College with 306 votes. That's not a mandate. His entire presidency is built on bullying.
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Thank you for pointing out that the President lacks a mandate to enact this cruel and hypocritical policy based on lies and distortions. I too was very disturbed by this paper's use of the word "mandate."
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Yawn. This relates to the article how?
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Owen. He does have a mandate to enforce our laws, as does every president. Why don't you open borders people acknowledge that?
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Why don't we offer a path to citizenship to people who contribute more to society in actual productivity and pay more taxes than the president of the United States?
I cannot understand our immigration/visa policies. Why are we deporting people who work hard at jobs most Americans don't want?
The "75%" who are criminals are mostly guilty of traffic violations.
Why don't we fine these people steep fines measured in thousands of $ over a period of months?
Why don't we offer them expensive work visas that must be renewed every year? Adjust the cost of the visas to demand.
Deport real criminals and let capitalism decide who else goes and who is committed enough to stay.
I cannot understand our immigration/visa policies. Why are we deporting people who work hard at jobs most Americans don't want?
The "75%" who are criminals are mostly guilty of traffic violations.
Why don't we fine these people steep fines measured in thousands of $ over a period of months?
Why don't we offer them expensive work visas that must be renewed every year? Adjust the cost of the visas to demand.
Deport real criminals and let capitalism decide who else goes and who is committed enough to stay.
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Longer term review/comparison worth the time/effort
See 2008-2016 data set at the following link:
https://www.ice.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report/2016/removal-st...
See 2008-2016 data set at the following link:
https://www.ice.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report/2016/removal-st...
The "Trump Mandate" is the true "witch hunt."
Irony springs eternal.
Irony springs eternal.
I had to stop reading because the cruelty written is disturbing. As I travel around the world the richness of our world is there to be seen , it's how our countries , big businesses , the wealth , common man use it. The future is not walls but sharing and I will be happy when we finally evolve to the point that it's not about me,me me.
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Please feel free to tell us exactly how bringing everyone here will make the world a better place?
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It's great to start the day with some good news.
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I'll believe Trump's immigration crackdown isn't racist once I see the ICE deportation force start to raid Irish bars in the New York area, where there are plenty of undocumented people, including good friends of mine.
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The only reasons progressives are unabashedly pro-illegal immigrant is they want cheap labor and a permanent underclass that will vote for the white progressive power structure in perpetuity.
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Ironic, since it's the Republican base that's permanently stuck in limbo voting for the policies that increase income inequality...
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This makes no sense. If they are illegal they cannot vote. No matter what Trump tells his base there isn't evidence of massive voter fraud.
Trump was pushed into office by the "under class". These folks voted for a wealthy family with deep Wall Street connections who used citizens to gain an office that would enrich the Trump empire even more. Or do you consider the under class to be non white Americans?
Trump was pushed into office by the "under class". These folks voted for a wealthy family with deep Wall Street connections who used citizens to gain an office that would enrich the Trump empire even more. Or do you consider the under class to be non white Americans?
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Llewis. Do you not have a memory? There have been repeated amnesties. All leading to...wait for it...more amnesties. These people CAN vote. They also, legal or not, have legal children. They can then bring relatives in, and guess what they can vote too. It's really not that hard to u derstand. It a pyramid scheme rigged against u.s. citizens.
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Reading some of these comments is like an updated version of "1984". They are not undocumented. No one lost or misplaced their paperwork. They are here illegally, just like you would be if you crossed into another country without following their laws. They would arrest you and if you were lucky, you'd be deported and Maybe much worse, depending on the country. If you think the u.s. should do away with its borders and sovereignty, just say so, but until then we have borders and laws just like every other country and we should enforce them.
As far as your pesticide laden tomatoes being more expensive, I guess it's ok with liberals to exploit illegals economically as long as fruit is 10 cents cheaper? What kind of moral arguement is that? Even the right wingers are more honest. Besides, your not saving anything. Who do you think pays for the birthright kids education and social services they are now entitled to? Who do you think pays for the illegals birth health care while having the birth right kid? You do. If you're not smart enough to realize you're already subsidizing the growers as they exploit the illegals you deserve pay more for fruit. Make them hire legals. It's the right, moral And legal. End birthright citizenship and make them use e-verify.
Border apprehensions are WAY down. Whatever trumps problems ( and he has many) enforcing our border laws is having the desired effect. Good for us and, believe it or not, good for crossers, some of whom die crossing.
As far as your pesticide laden tomatoes being more expensive, I guess it's ok with liberals to exploit illegals economically as long as fruit is 10 cents cheaper? What kind of moral arguement is that? Even the right wingers are more honest. Besides, your not saving anything. Who do you think pays for the birthright kids education and social services they are now entitled to? Who do you think pays for the illegals birth health care while having the birth right kid? You do. If you're not smart enough to realize you're already subsidizing the growers as they exploit the illegals you deserve pay more for fruit. Make them hire legals. It's the right, moral And legal. End birthright citizenship and make them use e-verify.
Border apprehensions are WAY down. Whatever trumps problems ( and he has many) enforcing our border laws is having the desired effect. Good for us and, believe it or not, good for crossers, some of whom die crossing.
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Shouldn't the title of this piece read "Illegal Immigration Arrests Rise"? Funny how the left has co-opted our language. Just one more example of the propaganda that we get fed on a daily basis.
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The Left has co-opted our language?! They didn't invent alternative facts. They didn't give us Trump. Just stop.
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As a preteen growing up in a middle class neighborhood in the early 80s, two of my friends and I would haul our dad’s lawn mowing equipment around the neighboring streets and tend lawns just like other kids all throughout the subdivision. Doing this gave us a little spending money in lieu of an allowance (didn’t have to clean our rooms!) and began to teach us the value of a dollar.
By the late 80s that was disappearing (thanks Reagan) because, in large part because of the boom in technology – though it was DOS. Is that where the first domino fell? The “doing jobs Americans don’t want to do?”
Hard work helps build character; it’s a shame our immigration system doesn’t reward those whose only “crime” is crossing the border to make a better life for themselves and their family.
By the late 80s that was disappearing (thanks Reagan) because, in large part because of the boom in technology – though it was DOS. Is that where the first domino fell? The “doing jobs Americans don’t want to do?”
Hard work helps build character; it’s a shame our immigration system doesn’t reward those whose only “crime” is crossing the border to make a better life for themselves and their family.
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It seems very clear to me that deportation is all about racism and little or nothing about immigration.
Illegal immigrants come here because Americans and American companies continue to give them jobs. That is what drives them to traverse multiple countries on a train called "The Beast" and cross the border into the US without papers.
Coming into the US illegally is a crime. But so is hiring illegals. The difference is that the majority of the illegals are brown skinned Hispanics. The majority of the people hiring illegals are white folks. And what race is targeted?
Hiring an illegal immigrant is a federal immigration crime. Where are the raids against American people who hire illegals to do lawn maintenance or pick them up from Home Depot parking lots? Where are the raids against American companies that hire them as cheap labor instead of US citizens and legal residents?
Americans and American employers that hire illegals are the ones doing the damage. I once hired an American company for home improvement work. After the work order was signed, a truck full of illegals showed up a few days later to do the work. The entire work crew except for one person (driver) were undocumented.
Don't expect foreigners to respect our immigration laws when we as Americans don't follow them ourselves.
Illegal immigrants come here because Americans and American companies continue to give them jobs. That is what drives them to traverse multiple countries on a train called "The Beast" and cross the border into the US without papers.
Coming into the US illegally is a crime. But so is hiring illegals. The difference is that the majority of the illegals are brown skinned Hispanics. The majority of the people hiring illegals are white folks. And what race is targeted?
Hiring an illegal immigrant is a federal immigration crime. Where are the raids against American people who hire illegals to do lawn maintenance or pick them up from Home Depot parking lots? Where are the raids against American companies that hire them as cheap labor instead of US citizens and legal residents?
Americans and American employers that hire illegals are the ones doing the damage. I once hired an American company for home improvement work. After the work order was signed, a truck full of illegals showed up a few days later to do the work. The entire work crew except for one person (driver) were undocumented.
Don't expect foreigners to respect our immigration laws when we as Americans don't follow them ourselves.
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Blaming Americans because companies do not follow the law and the government is not interested in enforcing the law is nonsense and in no way excuses the actions of foreign nationals who knowingly violate our immigration law.
Making illegal immigration about race is not working anymore. Illegal immigration is about the labor market and it alway has been about cheap labor.
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The quickest way to stop employers continuing to hire illegal immigrants is to make it clear to those thinking of trying to enter illegally, that they will be caught and deported. Finally, society will start to pay proper (i.e. higher) prices for goods and services and employers can contribute to lowering unemployment. Who knows, we might have a minimum wage that buys as much as it used to in the '60s instead of far less.
I am (a legal) immigrant. It took me two years (not long by some standards) and a lot of paperwork.
I am (a legal) immigrant. It took me two years (not long by some standards) and a lot of paperwork.
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There have been major crackdowns on MS-13, the notoriously violent immigrant gang. The most recent was in LA. Why this didn't happen before is a mystery. Very good for Mr. Trump!
Where is the NYTimes article about this?
Where is the NYTimes article about this?
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NY Times linked an article in their California Today section about it.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ms13-sweep-20170517-story.html
Even a local paper with as large a scope as the NYTimes has limitations on what they can cover, so linking to a local paper with better information and access is an acceptable solution and intelligent use of resources.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ms13-sweep-20170517-story.html
Even a local paper with as large a scope as the NYTimes has limitations on what they can cover, so linking to a local paper with better information and access is an acceptable solution and intelligent use of resources.
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These crackdowns are in planning stages for months. And this was not the first raid on MS-13. Trump has nothing to do with it, other than using such raids as photo-ops to push his bigoted agenda and satisfy his bigoted fans.
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that raid was months in the making (prior to Trump taking office). Mayor Garcetti noted yesterday that raids like that rely on intelligence and tips collected from the undocumented community here in Los Angeles. Nice try to give credit to Trump. And why weren't you supportive of Obama, who, as this article points out, deported hundreds of thousands?
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Even as the media works itself into a froth, Trump's policies are paying big dividends for working class Americans.
For every illegal that is deported, one more job opens up for an American. And soon, with fewer illegals to exploit, employers will have no choice but to increase wages, benefiting all.
For every illegal that is deported, one more job opens up for an American. And soon, with fewer illegals to exploit, employers will have no choice but to increase wages, benefiting all.
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Yes, your right, one more job does open up for Americans.
But we're not talking about skilled hi tech jobs, nanny jobs or washing dishes, we're talking about crop picking in the hot sun - fruit off the trees or vegetables out of the ground.
I'm white, and my parents had us "walk beans" for a local farmer in Iowa. We started @ 5 am and stopped around 1 pm due to over whelming heat in the fields. That's how we earned money for new school clothes.
BLACKS, WHITE, ASIAN, etc men, women & working age young adults, that are American citizens will not do that kind of work because of the LOW PAY, low status or because of the BACK BREAKING PHYSICAL toll on the body.
So lets get ready for a major increase in FRESH food prices in the stores and in the restaurants.
But we're not talking about skilled hi tech jobs, nanny jobs or washing dishes, we're talking about crop picking in the hot sun - fruit off the trees or vegetables out of the ground.
I'm white, and my parents had us "walk beans" for a local farmer in Iowa. We started @ 5 am and stopped around 1 pm due to over whelming heat in the fields. That's how we earned money for new school clothes.
BLACKS, WHITE, ASIAN, etc men, women & working age young adults, that are American citizens will not do that kind of work because of the LOW PAY, low status or because of the BACK BREAKING PHYSICAL toll on the body.
So lets get ready for a major increase in FRESH food prices in the stores and in the restaurants.
I've yet to see an American of any stripe, color or creed, ever standing in front of a Home Depot begging for day labor work. However, less than a mile away, I see them begging every day at the freeway exits.
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Dream on.
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It's about time something was done. These people should be working hard to bring Mexico up to standards instead of lowering the quality of life in another country. The U.S. isn't long for remaining a first world country if it continues to import third world peoples.
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"The U.S. isn't long for remaining a first world country if it continues to import third world peoples."
I think you need to read a history book, hit the encyclopedia entry about the Statue of Liberty, and check the origins of the vast majority of the immigrants who have come here. The US wasn't built by wealthy investors and land owners.
I think you need to read a history book, hit the encyclopedia entry about the Statue of Liberty, and check the origins of the vast majority of the immigrants who have come here. The US wasn't built by wealthy investors and land owners.
What do you think we have been doing for 200 years ... importing poor people from other countries including slaves. That is how the overwhelming majority of Americans got here. We got to be a great country by taking the poor the rest of the world didn't want.
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gp. That may not have been right, but it made some twisted sense when we had an empty continent and a need for unskilled, u educated people. That need is long gone. It's now time for an immigrationolicy based on what is good for this country. Look at Australia and how they have come to the same conclusion. An immigration policy that's best for Australia first and the immigrants next.
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I sympathize with Mr. Hayes from Beverly Mass, but is he aware that Trump himself hired and abused undocumented workers in large numbers in the 1980s, and more recently on the DC hotel he now rents out at inflated prices to foreign interests?
I would...in a heartbeat...be in favor of strict enforcement....against scofflaw employers, retroactive to 1980 if possible, while continuing the Obama administration policy of targeting truly dangerous people for arrest and deportation.
I would...in a heartbeat...be in favor of strict enforcement....against scofflaw employers, retroactive to 1980 if possible, while continuing the Obama administration policy of targeting truly dangerous people for arrest and deportation.
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Finally, some positive news. But even that has a downside. Where they will be detained? America needs to partner with the countries of origin, for detainment there. Perhaps cost could be shared via some UN fund created to facilitate migrants.
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douglas-roy--AND...WHO will pick the lettuce, strawberries, and avocados?
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Reinstate the bracero program.
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From Yahoo! Tech: Meet this new apple-picking robot
"The robot can identify, pluck, and place apples into a crate at a speed similar to that of human pickers."
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/apple-picking-robot-181716495.html
Any more questions?
"The robot can identify, pluck, and place apples into a crate at a speed similar to that of human pickers."
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/apple-picking-robot-181716495.html
Any more questions?
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From The Great Dictator" (Charlie Chaplin speech):
To those who can hear me, I say — do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed — the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people and so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
To those who can hear me, I say — do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed — the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people and so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
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So, how many white Europeans here illegally have been included in Trump's purge?
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Yes, like Russian and Eastern Europe "models" and "dancers." How many of those have been deported?
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Will there be a WHITE picket fence along the U.S./Canadian border?
I hope any who is an illegal immigrate will be included.
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First of all, we have to separate fact from fiction here. Saying that these people have committed no crime is factually untrue, they committed a federal crime by entering the country illegally, nothing after that matters. Having children, going to church, getting a job illegally does not negate the fact if they broke US law and they should not be rewarded, they need to go back to their own country and begin the process legally like millions have done before them.
No sympathy here Guadalupe.....
No sympathy here Guadalupe.....
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It is also a felony offense to work in the United States without authorization. Those who do can be imprisoned for up to five years. It is also a felony to pose as a U.S. citizens to gain employment or government benefits.
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I hope the creator is more merciful when it is your turn to be judged, Buddy.
These arrests are very much justified because if an individual enters the United States of American illegally, then they have broken the law. Its as simple as that. Don’t get me wrong. I am not anti-immigrant. I am married to an immigrant, who entered the nation legally. Thank you.
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But of course they are here because someone WANTS to hire them. In California at least 70% of the farm workers are undocumented. Everyone knows about them and appreciates their hard work. If you have a few friends in Tennessee who need a job send them to us. And then there is California's economy....we are doing fine...how about yours?
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If 70% of the farm workers are undocumented, that tells me that the government has not been enforcing the law for decades. Such a shame.
Imagine if a state or city proudly claimed, "70% of our drivers are not licensed" or "70% of the working people in our community are off the books and don't pay taxes."
Is that fair to those who go through the legal immigration process? No.
Imagine if a state or city proudly claimed, "70% of our drivers are not licensed" or "70% of the working people in our community are off the books and don't pay taxes."
Is that fair to those who go through the legal immigration process? No.
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Wrong. They are here for the free food, housing, and medical care.
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More immigrants arrested! But, are we safer? Is America a better place because these "illegals" are in jail instead of contributing to the economy?
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Wage and job competition is real. So, yes the economy would be better off without illegal immigrates.
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they are not immigrants, geez
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While these poor people get sent away (the wealthy ones are always welcome, right?), Trump should remain stateside for the duration of the investigations into his criminal behavior.
With Trump's global operation, powerful friends in places that won't extradite American lawbreakers, and his unknown wealth, he is a classic flight risk.
With Trump's global operation, powerful friends in places that won't extradite American lawbreakers, and his unknown wealth, he is a classic flight risk.
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Yes, the wealthy are always welcome because they can pay for themselves. The only reason progressives have a problem with that is the wealthy are less susceptible to the patronage of the progressive white supremacist power structure.
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Ford pardoned Nixon
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I'm looking forward to paying $75 for a watermelon.
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DavieFLDon writes: "I'm looking forward topaying $75 for a watermelon
You don't understand the economics of agriculture. Farmworkers are so poorly paid that crop picking's contribution to the cost of produce at your supermarket is a few pennies on the dollar. Paying decent wages would cost the average American family a few tens of dollars a year.
You don't understand the economics of agriculture. Farmworkers are so poorly paid that crop picking's contribution to the cost of produce at your supermarket is a few pennies on the dollar. Paying decent wages would cost the average American family a few tens of dollars a year.
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That won't happen. We'll just import watermelons from countries that continue to pay low wages to farm workers.
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If our lawmakers would enact a sane and workable guest worker program for agriculture they would not be illegal. As an agricultural employer, I have looked into importing workers from the south, but for a small employer the process is way too expensive and cumbersome.
Now that they oil and gas business has cooled down, the labor pool is larger in our area. We still have difficulty finding people to work for $12-18 an hour.
Now that they oil and gas business has cooled down, the labor pool is larger in our area. We still have difficulty finding people to work for $12-18 an hour.
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Trump and his administration think getting tough on crime means arresting undocumented people because they had a tail light out or some other minor violation. When Americans have to take care of their own children even though they work, clean their own houses, cut their own grass, harvest their own food, pay more at restaurants and hotels because now these businesses have to pay a decent salary, maybe we will understand that these immigrants were really victims. They are not the perpetrators of unemployment for American workers, or the reason for crime. And, they absolutely pay taxes. Their money folds back into the economy faster and more consistently then the millionaires and billionaires who thanks to all the loopholes, hide their money and keep it safely out of the hands of the U.S. government. Our president is the poster boy.
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Doris2001--CRIMINALS will not get tough on actual crime. If they did, they would turn themselves in, for high crimes and misdemeanors. No, CRIMINALS always prey on the innocent and the vulnerable, and enjoy it while they do it. As children, they tortured puppies and kittens.
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The federal government should be enforcing its immigration laws. Illegal immigration hurts everyone except those employing undocumented immigrants. Those who are not allowed to work legally in this country drive down wages for low skilled work, while not having any protection themselves from their employers. This imbalance of power allows employers to exploit these foreign nationals to the point where they are trapped by their employers in unsafe conditions for very little pay.
On top of the immigration enforcement I would hope that the government would also crack down on those illegally employing those without the right to work in this country. The fines placed on these companies that fragrantly violate our employment laws should vastly exceed any profits earned by using illegal labor. This is the only real solution to the problem. They will claim that no American citizens or documented aliens will do the work, but what they mean is that no one else will do the work for the same wages and dangerous conditions. Organizations illegally employing those who are not allowed to work in this country are skewing the supply side of the supply and demand for labor with their illegal practices. Then they have the gall to complain about Americans and Green card holders not willing to work. That takes some nerve.
On top of the immigration enforcement I would hope that the government would also crack down on those illegally employing those without the right to work in this country. The fines placed on these companies that fragrantly violate our employment laws should vastly exceed any profits earned by using illegal labor. This is the only real solution to the problem. They will claim that no American citizens or documented aliens will do the work, but what they mean is that no one else will do the work for the same wages and dangerous conditions. Organizations illegally employing those who are not allowed to work in this country are skewing the supply side of the supply and demand for labor with their illegal practices. Then they have the gall to complain about Americans and Green card holders not willing to work. That takes some nerve.
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The New Colossus
BY EMMA LAZARUS
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
BY EMMA LAZARUS
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
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Sentimental quotes do not apply.
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That does NOT pay my bills.
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It's long past time to extinguish the lamp. We don't need any more illiterate laborers. Those folks were expected to support themselves, the ones coming in now want us to support them.
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Still waiting for a few employers of illegal labor to be arrested.
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Bravo!
A lot of these people come here because they are coming to a better place. When all of these immigrants are deported, which one of these white Americans will do the low-paying lousy jobs that these people do? I am glad that NYC is a sanctuary city and I hope it stays that way.
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I for one am willing to find out.....
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The idea that people, in our country illegally, feel that they can walk around with impunity and no repercussions for their actions has went on long enough.
The USA is not your country. You are not immigrants.
Please, just go back to your own, respective, countries. Quit wasting our limited resources.
The USA is not your country. You are not immigrants.
Please, just go back to your own, respective, countries. Quit wasting our limited resources.
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To be fair, no country can afford uncontrolled crossings of national borders. Also to be fair, many Americans encouraged the comings of undocumented immigrants. We all want to pay less but many of us ignored the hidden costs behind. The society as a whole is bearing the cost ultimately. In fact, illegal immigration makes the society less productive because innovations are usually cost more at least initially.
There are better ways to stop illegal immigration. And every American can be part of the solution!
There are better ways to stop illegal immigration. And every American can be part of the solution!
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"More than half of the increase in arrests were of immigrants who had committed no crime other than being in the country without permission."
Who cares? A crime is a crime.
It's about time these people realized that they can head south as well as north. It will a lot easier for them going to similar culture. The issue though for most is that those countries like Argentina are defending their boarders better than the US was ( and probably still do ) and that they will not be able to game the system for support as easily.
Between a more active deportation program and a more effective effort to keep them from entering illegally we may yet get this problem under control.
Who cares? A crime is a crime.
It's about time these people realized that they can head south as well as north. It will a lot easier for them going to similar culture. The issue though for most is that those countries like Argentina are defending their boarders better than the US was ( and probably still do ) and that they will not be able to game the system for support as easily.
Between a more active deportation program and a more effective effort to keep them from entering illegally we may yet get this problem under control.
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Curious that you say nothing about the crime of companies (and individuals) illegally hiring these folks. If no one were to offer them jobs, then there would be no incentive to come. Like you said, a crime is a crime.
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Those who employ them are a separate subject. The subject of the articles is illegals. An offered job doesn't excuse the illegal act of coming here without permission and documentation.
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Not sure how anyone can be opposed to deporting illegal immigrants. President Obama certainly wasn't. He deported over 2 million illegal immigrants.
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Obama and his supporters are being dishonest. Obama decided to take credit for deporting people who were, during other admins, simply turned around at the border. They were not counted as "deportations" previously. In reality the "deporter-in-chief" was being misleading and counting people who previous weren't counted to bump his numbers up while not actually doing anything different. He was being a politician.
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Doesn't labeling Trump's shift on immigration policy as a "mandate" wrongly imply that a majority of voters approved of him and his platform last November?
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Per this article, and many others, it appears there is a domestic abuse and sexual assault crisis in immigrant communities.
What is being done to protect women and children from these and how can these crimes be reduced?
What is being done to protect women and children from these and how can these crimes be reduced?
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There are domestic abuse and sexual assault crisis in native, legal Americans, too. If the system doesn't address/care about them, then it surely won't do it for illegals. Sad but true.
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This mandate is cruelly enforced and often unnecessary. It separates children from their parents and that is dead wrong. It also poses a great problem for farmers in California and Texas who use temporary illegals to do field work that locals refuse to do. At a household level Mexican women are hard workers in the home where they serve as dependable maids and nannies. At the very least this mandate should be a lot more discriminating or it will not stand. In fact, it will anyway be abused.
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Sez the person with Mexican maids and others working within their home(s).
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Thank you Mr. President. This is what we elected you to do!
Now, if we can get the "so-called Republicans" in Congress to step up and do their job, we can make America great again! Driving the snowflakes and Chicken Littles crazy in the process is just icing on the cake.
Trump 2020.
Now, if we can get the "so-called Republicans" in Congress to step up and do their job, we can make America great again! Driving the snowflakes and Chicken Littles crazy in the process is just icing on the cake.
Trump 2020.
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It looks like most of the "snowflakes" commenting on the NY Times agree with enforcing the immigration laws.
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"From Jan. 22 to April 29, ICE officers arrested 41,318 people, at a rate of more than 400 people per day, compared with 30,028 over roughly the same period in 2016, the data showed."
There are 35-40 MILLION illegals in the US, only the dreadful, dishonest NYT can claim that "that's making real progress."
At that rate, it'll take 1 MM years to get rid of all of the illegals.
There are 35-40 MILLION illegals in the US, only the dreadful, dishonest NYT can claim that "that's making real progress."
At that rate, it'll take 1 MM years to get rid of all of the illegals.
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It's a start. At least you have the correct figures. Go to any Southern state--- it IS about 30 million.
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35-40 million? Where are you getting your information?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-im...
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-im...
For some perspective, 400 arrests per day X 365 days a year = 146K arrests, which not all 146K arrests would/will result in deportations. 400 per day, sounds like a lot, right? Well it's not. Most public estimates of the number of illegal immigrants in the USA is over 12M. If the current rate of arrests continued during all 4 years of President Trumps presidency, there would be 584K arrests of illegal immigrants, which is a mere 4.87% of the estimated illegal immigrant population. And again, not all of them will result in deportations. Less that 5% is not a lot, folks.......and the fears of "mass arrests and deportations" by the current administration are WAY OVER BLOWN. Glad some progress is being made to get out the really bad ones, though. They need to go!
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Mr. Hayes added: “That’s why I was so passionate for Trump,” he said. “I wanted to expose these guys for who they are, if they are hiring illegal immigrants.”
Just curious - has Trump ever promised to crack down on those hiring illegal immigrants?? If not, why does Mr Hayes think this will solve the problem?
Just curious - has Trump ever promised to crack down on those hiring illegal immigrants?? If not, why does Mr Hayes think this will solve the problem?
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This old line, again? They pass the required citizenship test with stolen IDs and stolen SS numbers.
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From "Return of the far right: Greece's financial crisis has led to a rise in violent attacks on refugees" (John Carlin, March 30, 2013):
"Pursuing the European dream, [refugees] have run aground in the swamp of Greek's economic crisis: undocumented, unwanted, despised, hungry and under constant threat of the sort of violence they imagined they had left behind at home.
The bad guys of this story are not hard to identify. The far-right Golden Dawn party (Chrysi Avgi in Greek) captures votes by using foreign migrants in the same way the Nazis used the Jews: as scapegoats for the frustrations, insecurities and hardships of today's Greek population. They blame Arabs, Asians and Africans (or 'subhumans' as they call them) for their country's dire lot. Accusing them of infecting Greeks with diseases and of turning the centre of Athens into a criminal jungle, young Golden Dawn militants hunt down foreigners in the streets, markets, parks and buses."
"Pursuing the European dream, [refugees] have run aground in the swamp of Greek's economic crisis: undocumented, unwanted, despised, hungry and under constant threat of the sort of violence they imagined they had left behind at home.
The bad guys of this story are not hard to identify. The far-right Golden Dawn party (Chrysi Avgi in Greek) captures votes by using foreign migrants in the same way the Nazis used the Jews: as scapegoats for the frustrations, insecurities and hardships of today's Greek population. They blame Arabs, Asians and Africans (or 'subhumans' as they call them) for their country's dire lot. Accusing them of infecting Greeks with diseases and of turning the centre of Athens into a criminal jungle, young Golden Dawn militants hunt down foreigners in the streets, markets, parks and buses."
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Stop equating enforcing our immigration laws with Nazism.
This mandate serves the often scurrilous intentions of Republican racists who erroneously consider Mexicans to be an inferior lot who speak a language inappropriate in America. Such reasoning is childishly ignorant. Like it or not Spanish IS America's second language as well it should be given our history. Americans are stupidly illiterate in other languages and this is unconscionable given that other countries know better. Furthermore, Mexico has a proud heritage inherited from a historically rich Spanish culture. Impoverished American history classes only make for further prejudice.
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Republican racists have nothing on the Mexican ruling class who look down on their own indigenous peoples and the fascinating languages they still speak. As a telenovela fan, I have always noted that the protagonists are as white as any European, while the darker skinned people are cooks, maids, gardeners, nannys and comic relief. Check out some old episodes of "La India Maria" for insight into Mexican racial attitudes. Then there are the soccer games with banana peels thrown out in front of Afro-Brazilian players, accompanied by racial epithets that would get you booted out of Fenway Park tout suite. The oppressed immigrants in America are not always noble and usually bring their attitudes with them.
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You do not know all Americans, many of us speak other languages...being against all illegal aliens is not racist......................it is wanting to live in a nation of laws
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The last people who get to lecture Americans about not speaking a foreign language are monolingual Spanish speakers who move here and still can't be bothered to learn English.
Good people trying to escape conditions that are unimaginable to most of us are living with constant anxiety and fear, and Trump thinks he's the victim of a witchunt.
This country is awash in inhumanity.
This country is awash in inhumanity.
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Spare me the sophistry, bleeding heart nonsense. The vast majority (99%) of the illegals are economic migrants from south america, who bypass dozens of other countries to get either an off-the books job in the US - displacing an american worker - or collect welfare via their anchor babies.
Yes, illegals collect welfare through their children, who get free healthcare, free schooling, free breakfasts and lunches.
You want to help these people so badly, go with them back to central/south america and help them build a functioning society down there.
Yes, illegals collect welfare through their children, who get free healthcare, free schooling, free breakfasts and lunches.
You want to help these people so badly, go with them back to central/south america and help them build a functioning society down there.
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Suzanne, besides inhumanity don't forget ignorance, stupidity and cowardice.
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One of the few comments on the string that make any sense, well done
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I agree to deport people that have committed crimes and have felony records like violence, murder, or outrageous crimes, but what it's not right is to arrest people that only come here to this country to work and support their families. For example, in this case with Guadalupe Garcia de Rayos she was arrested and deported. Cause of this action was due to her only crime was because she had fake documentation to work here in the United States so she could support and provide a good living to her children. To me that is not a crime but if the president thinks he is making America great again, he is completely wrong. Statistics show that Immigrants are the ones that support our economy due to the fact that their willing to work the jobs that American's don't want to work.
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My son was a victim of identity theft with his SS. I went through a lot to fix it. An illegal took it. She DESERVED to be deported because I know what it takes to fix this kind of problem.
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WHat utter nonsense
Creating fake documents is called "forgery"
Using documents one knows to be fake in order to get something in some way is called "uttering"
In most states forgery and uttering are felonies
Seems you would have no problem with someone selling you a car and giving you forged documents (a fake title they know is fake) to show they owned it - and taking your money and skipping off because they need the money "to support their family"
A crime is a crime.
Creating fake documents is called "forgery"
Using documents one knows to be fake in order to get something in some way is called "uttering"
In most states forgery and uttering are felonies
Seems you would have no problem with someone selling you a car and giving you forged documents (a fake title they know is fake) to show they owned it - and taking your money and skipping off because they need the money "to support their family"
A crime is a crime.
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Do not care what her motives were; she is a criminal trespassor who has stolen a job from an american citizen, and it is not rational to have open borders unlike every other country which has destroyed the wage base of the poor and working classes. If you allow the ones here now to stay you will have an endless migration into the US, which is plenty crowded already.
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"Mr. Trump’s policies also appear to have slowed the flow of people crossing the southern border illegally, which has reached its lowest number in years, as migrants are choosing to seek refuge in other countries or endure poor conditions at home."
Didn't take much did it
How many decades, how many millions of ignored immigration crimes
and all it took was letting these law officers do their jobs, to stop the invasion
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"had used a false Social Security number to work at a water park. "
how was this found? and can it be replicated, bigly
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"Juan Antonio Melchor Molina, a fugitive from Mexico, is wanted on a murder charge."
What an one say. beyond 'go get 'em, Mr Trump"
Didn't take much did it
How many decades, how many millions of ignored immigration crimes
and all it took was letting these law officers do their jobs, to stop the invasion
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"had used a false Social Security number to work at a water park. "
how was this found? and can it be replicated, bigly
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"Juan Antonio Melchor Molina, a fugitive from Mexico, is wanted on a murder charge."
What an one say. beyond 'go get 'em, Mr Trump"
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""Mr. Trump’s policies also appear to have slowed the flow of people crossing the southern border illegally, which has reached its lowest number in years, as migrants are choosing to seek refuge in other countries or endure poor conditions at home."
The trend started early in the Obama administration. Net immigration from Mexico was already negative when Trump took office.
"Didn't take much did it"
On the contrary, it took a lot of carefully considered policy and careful application of finite resources on the part of the Obama administration.
The trend started early in the Obama administration. Net immigration from Mexico was already negative when Trump took office.
"Didn't take much did it"
On the contrary, it took a lot of carefully considered policy and careful application of finite resources on the part of the Obama administration.
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Jasr - the slowdown occurred in anticipation of Trumps' presidency. They get the news.
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Jasr - the slowdown occurred in anticipation of Trumps' presidency. They get the news.
Hogwash. Net immigration from Mexico dipped below zero in 2015. It was declining steadily before that.
Hogwash. Net immigration from Mexico dipped below zero in 2015. It was declining steadily before that.
As has been the case with other "Trump" statements, I suspect he never intended for a wall to be built across the Mexican border, but rather signalled his move to severely restrict illegal immigration. That can best be done as it turns out by allowing the ICE to follow its mandate.
Whether restricting illegal immigration is a good thing, can be debated, depending on an individual's politics. This writer applauds the current efforts and hope that such immigration restrictions allow out of work Americans a chance to earn money. The trick here is whether those same Americans will work for low wages that they may feel are beneath them or will they stay on the "dole".
Whether restricting illegal immigration is a good thing, can be debated, depending on an individual's politics. This writer applauds the current efforts and hope that such immigration restrictions allow out of work Americans a chance to earn money. The trick here is whether those same Americans will work for low wages that they may feel are beneath them or will they stay on the "dole".
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I guess using a false Social Security number comes under the category of "bad hombres" according Trump. His core will applaud and that's what he wants. Perhaps he will eventually fall under that same category if certain things are uncovered about his dealings.
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Using a SSAN which is not yours is the crime of Identity Theft.
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If this is what it takes to enforce our immigration law, good. From the bottom up there will be benefits - as in the work for the landscaper described at the end of the article.
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I heard this story early today on NPR. If an ILLEGAL immigrant is in this country and is breaking the LAW then what is wrong with sending them back home? Absolutely nothing!!!!
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What if they were brought here as an infant, have stayed out of trouble, and been a productive member of our society? You really want to send them back to a country they were never "from" in a realistic sense?
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How about undocumented (okay, you like to call them illegal) immigrants who are working here in the US? It's ILLEGAL to hire them. What do you suggest we do with the ILLEGAL employers?
Before you suggest imprisoning these ILLEGAL employers, remember that the US, with 5% of the earth's population, already has 25% of the world's prisoners. Do you think we can afford to imprison all these ILLEGAL employers?
PS What benefit did you personally enjoy today from the labors of our undocumented workers? We've set up a system of living off these people: no workers' comp, no minimum wage, no maximum work week, no SS. We've benefited from this for decades.
The least we can do is show some gratitude. We have an immigration problem (and emigration--where our controls are even worse, so who knows who's still here?), but we don't have to be vindictive as we try to solve it.
Before you suggest imprisoning these ILLEGAL employers, remember that the US, with 5% of the earth's population, already has 25% of the world's prisoners. Do you think we can afford to imprison all these ILLEGAL employers?
PS What benefit did you personally enjoy today from the labors of our undocumented workers? We've set up a system of living off these people: no workers' comp, no minimum wage, no maximum work week, no SS. We've benefited from this for decades.
The least we can do is show some gratitude. We have an immigration problem (and emigration--where our controls are even worse, so who knows who's still here?), but we don't have to be vindictive as we try to solve it.
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The term "illegal immigrant" is a compound noun that became part of English because there are millions of illegal immigrants. While there many employers who hire illegal immigrant they are not numerous to make "llegal employer" a compound noun.
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Trump has done a great job on immigration. I can see the crime records across the US already going down. It is amazing how many criminals Obama allowed to stay in the country just so the Democrats could spike the vote.
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"Trump has done a great job on immigration. I can see the crime records across the US already going down. It is amazing how many criminals Obama allowed to stay in the country just so the Democrats could spike the vote."
What an impressive amount of self-delusion compressed into a single paragraph!
What an impressive amount of self-delusion compressed into a single paragraph!
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@Calico Bass: "It is amazing how many criminals Obama allowed to stay in the country just so the Democrats could spike the vote."
Remind me again how illegal aliens manage to vote. Legal immigrants are not even allowed to vote.
Remind me again how illegal aliens manage to vote. Legal immigrants are not even allowed to vote.
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At a rate of 400 arrests per day, ICE would arrest 146,000 unauthorized immigrant this year. This would amount to 1.3 percent of the 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants currently breaking immigration laws. This is an exceptionally low clearance, which means 98.7 percent are “getting away with it.” If ICE instead arrested 146,000 employers who employ unauthorized immigrants, millions of unauthorized immigrants would return to their home countries. We should make E-Verify mandatory nationwide,
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Yea, and if Trump goes after these guys too
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx
...he'll probably win 2020 landslide. MAGA!
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx
...he'll probably win 2020 landslide. MAGA!
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William Case, you are assuming that employers hiring unauthorized workers are large companies. I believe the majority are individuals or small companies, many owned by immigrants. Anyway the major benefit from detentions and deportations is discouraging others from attempting to emigrate to the US.
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"Yea, and if Trump goes after these guys too
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx"
If Trump goes after H2B visa abuser he'll be going after himself. He's abused the program with hundreds of hires at his own resorts.
No word from Trump on H1B visas. I suspect he does not even know what H1B visas are.
"...he'll probably win 2020 landslide. MAGA!"
If he's not impeached first.
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx"
If Trump goes after H2B visa abuser he'll be going after himself. He's abused the program with hundreds of hires at his own resorts.
No word from Trump on H1B visas. I suspect he does not even know what H1B visas are.
"...he'll probably win 2020 landslide. MAGA!"
If he's not impeached first.
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Make America White Again
A Donald Trump Production
A Donald Trump Production
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I understand the need for the Democratic party to "import" more voters but common sense immigration controls are necessary for a civilized society. We all came here from somewhere else, even the native Americans so don't think American will be "white washed" anytime soon, enjoy your posts but rancor devalues you progressive message to us mongrels.
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So how do you know the race of the landscaper referred to at the end of the article?
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Fine . . . make "open borders" part of the Democratic Party's manifesto and see what happens in the next elections - defeat!
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