Wow! And I thought it was the Obama administration that provided Michael Flynn with top level security clearance for 7 years. Oh wait, that is correct. Trump rescinded his after 18 days.
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Presidents don't grant security clearances, so your point is pointless and lacks credibility.
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And what is worse, who has ties to China?
The Democrats dislike for General Flynn goes way back to his low opinion of the hidden details in the Obama Administrations' Iranian nuclear deal which is why he was dismissed . Interesting how Woolsey's claims against Flynn regarding Gulen's extradition at that September meeting sound like more baloney given the Trump Administration's recent outreach to the Kurds. The IndivisibleAgainstTrump / Biggest Sore Loser Democrats grow more desperate by the day. But they never give up.
You believe that's why Trump fired him or why he should've fired Flynn?
I imagine the Flynn was just doing what Trump asked him to do. Luckily someone told the press. I can see some mighty big awards going to the reporter or reporters that bring Trump down. Now is looks like Sessions will go to jail also. It is the coverup that gets them.
The cancer in the White House in spreading.
The cancer in the White House in spreading.
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Unless I was dreaming, didn't Flynn send out a tweet after his "firing" saying "Scapegoat"? And still today, Flynn is a fine man who was treated very unfairly and Yates is a political opponent. By the way, wasn't Pence treated unfairly if he was sent out to lie while Flynn was still being defended? Nixon is looking more and more like a piker.
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I note Ms. Yate's title as "Honorable Sally Q. Yates" - a title that could never be bestowed upon anyone currently serving in the West Wing. In my book, she outranks them all.
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Could Sally Yates be the next president from Georgia?
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Someone in the reader's comments opined that tRump is laundering Russian dirty money and that's the reason he won't show his tax returns. No reputable bank would lend him any more money so he turned to Russia.
This sounds plausible to me and explains tRump's reaction or lack thereof, to the Russian "affair."
Now, all we have to do is get the American people to care, and start embarrassing tRump by huge demonstrations in the streets. That what the French would do.
Remember when public opinion mattered?
This sounds plausible to me and explains tRump's reaction or lack thereof, to the Russian "affair."
Now, all we have to do is get the American people to care, and start embarrassing tRump by huge demonstrations in the streets. That what the French would do.
Remember when public opinion mattered?
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Sally Yates would make a darn good POTUS. She's smart, calm and collected, she has experience in Gov't and can hold her own against blowhards, bullies and opportunists and she's trustworthy. Sally, Sally, Sally.
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What a great idea. Just like Macron. Someone just like you said, Let's make him president. This is the Invisible Government isn't it. Do you post a lot? Do you have a health plan?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sean 'Spicey' Spicer just gave us the real true fake news:
Sally Yates is a political tool of Clinton's who violated her oath of office to go to the White House with a made up story besmirching that all around great guy Flynn. Trump knew it in his gut that Obama and Clinton were trying to get him so he just ignored them. And when partisan hack Yates refused to support his Muslim Ban on fake Constitutional grounds Trump was proved right! I win! I win!
I win!
Sally Yates is a political tool of Clinton's who violated her oath of office to go to the White House with a made up story besmirching that all around great guy Flynn. Trump knew it in his gut that Obama and Clinton were trying to get him so he just ignored them. And when partisan hack Yates refused to support his Muslim Ban on fake Constitutional grounds Trump was proved right! I win! I win!
I win!
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The remix edition is "Lock Us Up", "Lock Us Up",...
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this is is idiotic. Flynn has been fired and no damage done. All your doing is
is making the job of the President harder in dealing with North Korea, Syria and Russia for example. Obama fired Flynn congratulations and left us a mess in North Korea, Syria, Libya and Iran. Clearly Obama was the most inept President in foreign policy in my lifetime.
is making the job of the President harder in dealing with North Korea, Syria and Russia for example. Obama fired Flynn congratulations and left us a mess in North Korea, Syria, Libya and Iran. Clearly Obama was the most inept President in foreign policy in my lifetime.
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You're inaccurate.
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Trump knew. Pence knew. Ryan knew. McConnell knew. They all knew what Flynn was up to: throwing an American election with the aid of a hostile power. They are all innit up to their eyeballs.
The word you are looking for is TREASON. And these Republican traitors should be punished accordingly.
The word you are looking for is TREASON. And these Republican traitors should be punished accordingly.
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Agreed! So when are criminal charges coming? Not any longer with the firing of Comey?
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Wow
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When you're fired by two POTUS, do you put it on your Resume?
And will he get a letter of recommendation from the current POTUS?
And will he get a letter of recommendation from the current POTUS?
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Interestingly Yates told WH of Flynn's malfeasance and three days later YATES is fired and escorted off DOJ premises.
Flynn stays in office until things hit the press.
'Splain that Spicey.
Flynn stays in office until things hit the press.
'Splain that Spicey.
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The key element in this incredibly embarrassing episode is that VP-elect Mike Pence chose to disregard the November 18, 2016 letter from Ranking Member Elijah Cummings which clarified in no uncertain terms that Lt. General Michael Flynn, US Army, retired had compelling conflicts of interests from dealings with foreign countries.
http://www.ohio.com/news/nation/trump-transition-team-knew-of-flynn-s-lo...
http://www.businessinsider.com/elijah-cummings-letter-to-mike-pence-abou...
http://www.ohio.com/news/nation/trump-transition-team-knew-of-flynn-s-lo...
http://www.businessinsider.com/elijah-cummings-letter-to-mike-pence-abou...
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The Trump administration is rotten to the core. Does that about sum it up?
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If Trump was so concerned about Flynn and not our Country, Trump should have temporarily removed Flynn from his position immediately !
But we all know that Trump knew and was never going to fire Flynn.
I can't wait till 2018 when We The People say to Trump and Gorsuch,..
You're Fired !
But we all know that Trump knew and was never going to fire Flynn.
I can't wait till 2018 when We The People say to Trump and Gorsuch,..
You're Fired !
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Sally Yates has been by far the most coherent, composed and credible person in this entire debacle. Period!
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I don't know about anyone else, but I sure would feel a whole lot better and much safer if Sally Yates was sitting in the White House as our president. After President Obama left office, I didn't know we had anyone that intelligent left in the government who could run rings around all those political clowns. They should remove the White House and put up a circus tent for the new administration.
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I have that feeling too. I don't why. Maybe I am being influenced by powers that want to control me. Maybe someone is issuing hypnotic suggestions. It must be the Russians. Their agents are everywhere. Everywhere.
I have that same feeling, Wally. I don't know why, but I have that same feeling. Something in the way you speak inspires confidence.
Ms. Yates, a dedicated and serious public servant, has exposed how arrogance is being used to cover up the ineptitude of the Trump admin.
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Nothing is going to happen with the tRump/Russia affair until Americans care about it. They don't understand or are in denial how this affects them, or for that matter, why the Kushner affair is troubling, in fact, their indifference to tRump playing them for suckers.
What is it about most Americans that they shy away from real confrontation with their government and why do they vote for the men and women who exploit their passivity?
What's wrong with America?
What is it about most Americans that they shy away from real confrontation with their government and why do they vote for the men and women who exploit their passivity?
What's wrong with America?
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I don't get it. Sally Yates has the smarts and backbone to be a great Presidential candidate. She can give the Democrats a fresh start. And for every one else a breath of fresh air. Please stop the Clinton soap opera.
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One very impressive former DOJ lawyer who spoke truth to power and then, at the hearing yesterday, easily handled the awkward and deflective questions from GOP senators. The exchange with Senator Cruz was a classic case of intelligence vs. arrogance and Ms. Yates was the clear winner.
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This is an administration that never takes responsibility for ANYTHING. It's always someone else's fault. Obama or his administration did it; something Trump read misled him; it's still early days for this administration; the previous administration wouldn't cooperate with us on the transition (blaming Obama again); and so forth.
I would expect this kind of immaturity from a five-year-old; from a President, not so much. Maybe my standards are too high.
I would expect this kind of immaturity from a five-year-old; from a President, not so much. Maybe my standards are too high.
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Trump appointed Flynn to the position of National Security Advisor despite Obama's advise not to do so. But in addition to this, he ignored the acting Attorney General Yates's warnings about the potential of Flynn to be blackmailed by Russia, and in doing so compromised the national security of the United States.
This alone is grounds for his impeachment. These actions show that Trump is "...unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office...", as stated in the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
This alone is grounds for his impeachment. These actions show that Trump is "...unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office...", as stated in the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
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Trump thinking: if Obama did it then destroy it and if Obama offers advice do the opposite.
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Why would anyone expect Trump to fire someone over false statements. False statements are Trump's m.o., stock in trade, and reason to be. And why would he want to jeapardize the image of a tremendous team?
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This reader is left with the impression that the reason the president delayed firing Mr. Flynn is that he is obligated to Mr. Putin; that he fired Mr. Flynn only under pressure from congress and growing public knowledge of Mr. Flynn's questionable conduct.
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He certainly is acting the same way towards Flynn that he does Putin himself -- no criticism, ignoring any of the problems. Trump probably was completely informed of everything Flynn did. According to Flynn associates, he wouldn't act on his own but would inform the man he was working for. Trump is probably terrified that Flynn was testify under oath that Trump knew about the hacking of the election or had agreed to get rid of the sanctions in return for election help or due to some pressure by the Russians. This is all skirting treason at a minimum.
I also notice that Trump fired Sally Yates within four days of her warning the White House about Flynn but waited eighteen days to fire Flynn.
I also notice that Trump fired Sally Yates within four days of her warning the White House about Flynn but waited eighteen days to fire Flynn.
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But YATES was out of a job 3 days later. Hmmm
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The way I see it is Trump is guilty of gross dereliction of duty to our country.
He was warned by President Obama after the election Flynn was toxic, Pence was also warned by Eljah Cummings in writing. Christie also at the same time expressed concern.
Yes Trump had the right to be cynical but also had the obligation to do due diligence including ensuring that the Security clearance required of the head of National Intelligence.
He did none of those things instead he continued to involve this highly suspect character in sensitive intelligence matters and contact with other nations including Russia which had interfered in our Elections and was guilty of cyber warfare on our Democracy.
Deputy Attorney General Yates gave Trumps Administration in late January three profound warnings about Flynnn based on evidence which Trump Adminstration failed to examine but instead fired Ms Yeats who was doing her job and acting in the best interests of the USA . Even Republicans acknowledged this, the Chairperson Graham in particular
Further dericliction of his duty and a repudiation of his Oath to the American people
18 days later Trump had to act as he could no longer hide the facts thanks to the Washington Post and the advice given by so many and ignored by one was vindicated.
Any CEO faced with a similar situation would have been fired .
The compelling question is why Trump did not act , even to the point of suspending Flynn pending a full internal investigation.
He was warned by President Obama after the election Flynn was toxic, Pence was also warned by Eljah Cummings in writing. Christie also at the same time expressed concern.
Yes Trump had the right to be cynical but also had the obligation to do due diligence including ensuring that the Security clearance required of the head of National Intelligence.
He did none of those things instead he continued to involve this highly suspect character in sensitive intelligence matters and contact with other nations including Russia which had interfered in our Elections and was guilty of cyber warfare on our Democracy.
Deputy Attorney General Yates gave Trumps Administration in late January three profound warnings about Flynnn based on evidence which Trump Adminstration failed to examine but instead fired Ms Yeats who was doing her job and acting in the best interests of the USA . Even Republicans acknowledged this, the Chairperson Graham in particular
Further dericliction of his duty and a repudiation of his Oath to the American people
18 days later Trump had to act as he could no longer hide the facts thanks to the Washington Post and the advice given by so many and ignored by one was vindicated.
Any CEO faced with a similar situation would have been fired .
The compelling question is why Trump did not act , even to the point of suspending Flynn pending a full internal investigation.
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The whole Republican delegation to Congress is guilty of a persistent campaign to harass and intimidate bureaucrats who are simply acting in accordance with the purposes of their bureaus, as in forcing IRS executives to lawyer up to explain why they put the submissions of groups applying to be chartered to undermine the government's credibility to tax on the slow track to oblivion.
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After all this time, there is still no evidence that the Trump team colluded with Russia prior to the election. And yet, the Democrats, along with their fellow travelers in the media, persevere, hoping to find something—anything. However, we do know who did collude with the Soviets. It was none other than Teddy Kennedy, the Lion of the Senate, who in the year 1983 solicited help from the Soviets for the purpose of defeating Ronald Reagan. This act of treachery was well documented at the time by Forbes, The American Thinker, The Washington Times, and other publications, but has long since been conveniently dropped down the Memory Hole.
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When is Tom Arnold going to release his audio tapes of the President?
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How could someone in Flynn's position not expect to be listened to when talking with the Russian ambassador? Is he really that stupid or did he expect protection? Neither bodes well.
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something is soooo fishy at the White House.......and whatever it is makes us all in danger......Is anyone going to hold Trump accountable for putting the nation at such risk for so long?
And do we really know for certain when Pence found out? If Pence, the next in line, was not told a grave omission. if he was told and pretended not, a grave omission.
And do we really know for certain when Pence found out? If Pence, the next in line, was not told a grave omission. if he was told and pretended not, a grave omission.
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My question is: How did Flynn, a man of obvious poor judgement, ever get to be a three star general? The Pentagon should look into how it promoted such a flawed person.
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Why does this not surprise me, I guess the answer is because the Goober in Chief could not stand being lectured by a strong intelligence woman. But perhaps The Donald being a self aroused buffoon that he is most likely, maybe; perhaps; possibly had something else on his mind. We do not need to speculate, we all know what it is. Maybe the conversation went along the lines of something like this, "Sally baby, I am the most powerful man in the world, women love me, they always give me what I want, how about you and I try out the Lincoln bedroom, pretty please ........I am getting tired of Kelly Anne Conway". With this Goober in the White House this is entirely possible.
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On the one hand, the legal system has Flynn on track for serious jail time on multiple felonies...
On the other hand, I have ZERO doubt that he will be pardoned by Trump.
Regarding the 18 days+ he was left in his position after being notified by the Justice Department, I'm looking for a word that combines negligent, complicit, inept, and defiant...
On the other hand, I have ZERO doubt that he will be pardoned by Trump.
Regarding the 18 days+ he was left in his position after being notified by the Justice Department, I'm looking for a word that combines negligent, complicit, inept, and defiant...
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How about Republican?
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I sense a rapidly coalescing national consensus that we have a dishonest blowhard president in Donald J. Trump, abetted by his slimy underlings? The already usual suspects: Flynn, Conway, Spicer, Priebus, et al.
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Let me see if I have this straight:
The draft dodging daughter dater and chief took the word of Obama, somebody he thinks is a Kenyan Al Qeada sleeper cell agent, on flynn's vetting.
The coward claimed President Obama wiretapped him yet he still took Obama's vetting of flynn as gospel.
Is it me or are the draft dodging daughter dater's excuses becoming lamer and lamer?
The draft dodging daughter dater and chief took the word of Obama, somebody he thinks is a Kenyan Al Qeada sleeper cell agent, on flynn's vetting.
The coward claimed President Obama wiretapped him yet he still took Obama's vetting of flynn as gospel.
Is it me or are the draft dodging daughter dater's excuses becoming lamer and lamer?
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One wonders whether the real reason to fire Sally Yates was not her stance on the Muslem ban, but too much knowledge about Kremlingate.
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I think it's time for the Senate investigation require Trump to release his last 25 years of tax returns, investments, loans, and business transactions with domestic and foreign individual, and it Trump refuses, then I think they need to hire a special prosecutor and subpoena everything.
There seems to be more than just smoke and stink coming from this cesspool.
There seems to be more than just smoke and stink coming from this cesspool.
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The Russiagate Swamp will continue to emit fetid odors unless and until the Republican Party leaders are forced to act by independent journalistic investigation, or unless and until they are prepared to admit what they know full well, that Trump is a threat to our nation. We can be sure ti will be the former and not the latter that offers any chance to get to the bottom of the Russiagate Swamp and clear the putrid air hanging over the White House.
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Someone fired by a previous President shouldn't be picked up by the following administration. That being said, the day that someone brought this information of any concern to "President" Trump is the day "President" Trump should have revoked his clearances. If there was one hour past that, he was aware of these concerns, that he decided to let Mr. Flynn in, that is damning.
There's a potential risk, someone in cahoots, direction of a foreign intelligence agency sitting at the high level of the White House, who you are allowing to continue on in that position, frankly, that is unconscionable. Two questions: one, did the Russians recruit Mr. Flynn? Secondly, when did the White House,
Trump transition's, Trump know about this, did he decide not to remove Mr. Flynn knowing there were genuine concerns he was a Russian agent and traitor?
There's a potential risk, someone in cahoots, direction of a foreign intelligence agency sitting at the high level of the White House, who you are allowing to continue on in that position, frankly, that is unconscionable. Two questions: one, did the Russians recruit Mr. Flynn? Secondly, when did the White House,
Trump transition's, Trump know about this, did he decide not to remove Mr. Flynn knowing there were genuine concerns he was a Russian agent and traitor?
We are immersed ina sea of outrageous lies surrounding Trump's pseudo-presidency:
Mike Flynn and the link to the Russians
Jeff Sessions and the link to the Russians
James B. Comey and his perfecty-timed tall tales about Hillary's emails
Trump's wild Tweets about Yates are his own personal Pinocchio Meter.
The Republicans were able to convince half of this nation that Hillary was a criminal with lies and obfuscation and the help of Comey, but they turn their backs when our national security is truly at risk
Mike Flynn and the link to the Russians
Jeff Sessions and the link to the Russians
James B. Comey and his perfecty-timed tall tales about Hillary's emails
Trump's wild Tweets about Yates are his own personal Pinocchio Meter.
The Republicans were able to convince half of this nation that Hillary was a criminal with lies and obfuscation and the help of Comey, but they turn their backs when our national security is truly at risk
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Donald Trump is Putin's Agent Orange. Just like the original, leaving a wake of devastation and death in his wake.
I'd take Sally Yates and Valerie Plame over every single koch owned republican hack the gop has to offer.
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My personal take on Trump and Flynn?
1. Flynn was (one of) the first to endorse Trump's candidacy wholeheartedly.
1a. Flynn was an outspoken critic of Obama's policies.
It must have hurt his heart to make the decision to fire the man.
1. Flynn was (one of) the first to endorse Trump's candidacy wholeheartedly.
1a. Flynn was an outspoken critic of Obama's policies.
It must have hurt his heart to make the decision to fire the man.
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As I read the reader comments for this story, I amazed that some don't fully grasp why this is issue is a big deal. It isn't over Flynn getting $40K for a speaking gig (that's minor, and the sticking issue there is that he didn't disclose it when asked), it's whether he or not he engaged the Russians before Trump officially took office (and possibly on Trump's behalf) and informed them current sanctions against them would be lifted once Trump officially took office. If so, this could be viewed as an act of treason against the US since 1) Obama was still the President, and 2) it is a violation of the Logan Act which was put in place to prevent the undermining of the government's position when dealing with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. If Trump was in the know about this when it happened, he could (and should) be impeached. Do I think this will happen? No since the House, which we all know is controlled by the GOP, has to initiate the impeachment process and they are still in the process of wiping the egg of stupidity off their faces for passing a the TrumpDon'tCare bill that clearly many GOP representatives did not read in its entirety, or at all.
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The Reagan operatives who treated with the Iranian Revolutionaries holding the US Embassy hostages until President Carter was driven from the White House were much like Flynn, private citizens making representations about future official policies.
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Oh they know,..why do you think so many are trying to deflect, some even blame(d) Obama:):):)
Read the comments,..they're hilarious as they're desperate as they're obvious.
Read the comments,..they're hilarious as they're desperate as they're obvious.
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I'm waiting for the State Department to lift Flynn's passport, lest he "disappear" and the re-emerge in Moscow with the traitor Snowden.
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The simplest explanation why Trump would fail to fire Flynn when he discovered Flynn was a compromised liar, but would fire him when it became public, is that Flynn never lied. If Trump knew Flynn was in Russian pockets all along, the way he acted makes some degree of sense, and Flynn just fell on his sword to shield the administration from proof of Russian collusion.
This explanation is not proven. But unlike any other, it makes sense.
This explanation is not proven. But unlike any other, it makes sense.
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Who cares?
He's gone, right? And didn't he work for Obama first?
Non-news. How about if we stop giving Yates sound bytes and get the DOJ back to the business of enforcing the Nation's laws?
He's gone, right? And didn't he work for Obama first?
Non-news. How about if we stop giving Yates sound bytes and get the DOJ back to the business of enforcing the Nation's laws?
How come you trump zombies is so stupid?
If nothing else,..our government does seem to be more Pro Kremlin.
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Finally figured this story out. Trump wants to cover up any and all examples of why he's absolutely not qualified to be President. It's a hard job. Those of us who grew up in FDR times know. JGAIA
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Trump could go on TV and confess to being a Russian spy and even speak fluent Russian. His supporters could care less. Brown people are getting deported and more black people will go to jail as Sessions ramps up the new War on Drugs. That's all Trump's bloated racist supporters care about. In fact the only thing they are upset with Trump about is that they can't deny gays wedding cakes.
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Sean Spicer mentioned that Donald Trump is considering on sending more U.S. Troops into Afghanistan again, he said he wants to start winning again, how about I nominate him sending Eric and Don Junior as part of that new Troop deployment.
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Despite Crooked Hillary's collusion with foreign governments and corporate interests through the Clinton Foundation, Obama kept her on for four years. Shouldn't he have exposed her failure to abide by the agreements she had made when she was confirmed?
It is basic good manners to make charitable contributions for favors like introductions. The Clinton foundation was a vehicle to do so.
The double standards of you people are beneath contempt.
The double standards of you people are beneath contempt.
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Obama did this or Hilary didn't do that doesn't change Trump's culpability in this Flynn mess.
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But we always like to keep up to date on hypocrisy.
Squirrel! Move on nothing here. He was fired. We are not at war with the Russians. The Clintons did it. The White House attorney did not tell Trump about Flynn. Flynn only lied to other White House officials (unlike others who lied to the Congress.).
These are not loyal Americans. A potentially Russian operative is in one of the highest positions for defending our country and they do not care. Shane.
These are not loyal Americans. A potentially Russian operative is in one of the highest positions for defending our country and they do not care. Shane.
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I just heard Sean Spicer 'hypothetically' call Sally Yates a "political opponent of the president", as a justification for not acting immediately on Michael Flynn. Hmmm... Well, if so, then Sally Yates is possibly the president's and GOP worst enemy, having taken down, in order, the POTUS, Michael Flynn, Ted Cruz, John Cornyn, and John Kennedy.
While the 'real news' is still out there somewhere (maybe in closed senate hearings), we did learn that constitutionally challenged blowhards shouldn't joust with the Hon. Sally Yates.
Yates 2020... SHE keeps her promises!
While the 'real news' is still out there somewhere (maybe in closed senate hearings), we did learn that constitutionally challenged blowhards shouldn't joust with the Hon. Sally Yates.
Yates 2020... SHE keeps her promises!
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The Russians do it, and SO DO WE.
And both campaigns had "contact with the Russians." See The Times, April 23, 2015, Bill Clinton guffawing with Putin after he was paid $500,000 for a speech in Moscow.
I wish Hillary had won, but this is the truth.
And both campaigns had "contact with the Russians." See The Times, April 23, 2015, Bill Clinton guffawing with Putin after he was paid $500,000 for a speech in Moscow.
I wish Hillary had won, but this is the truth.
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She's not POTUS and her name has been hardly uttered in theses hearings, this is about the possible Kremlinification of our Government and officials at the highest levels.
So just saying her name won't change the subject.
So just saying her name won't change the subject.
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Bill Clinton in 2015 was neither an elected official nor in charge of national security.
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I have a question, maybe it is an idiomatic thing.
Is it correct when Sally Yates says : " the russians", instead of "the russian governement" or "russians", or "russians operatives."
Is it correct when Sally Yates says : " the russians", instead of "the russian governement" or "russians", or "russians operatives."
Ms Yates rode roughshod over the small minded Republicans who tried to besmirch her integrity rather than ask about Mr. Flynn and her warning to The Donald. It was a smackdown worthy of a professional wrestler. I hope that she now runs for public office. She has lots of admirers.
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Ms. Yates was truly stellar.
What's wrong with one official lying to another?
Hmm, perhaps the answer is too complicated.
18 days? Perhaps the stakes on the Apprentice were more pressing for him to just say those 2 words-you're fired. The nation? No big deal.
We have an administration who has yet to condemn Russia and its antics publicly and with the fervor that our national security demands. It is clear what matters, filling their wallets while sacrificing the republic.
Stay tuned.
What's wrong with one official lying to another?
Hmm, perhaps the answer is too complicated.
18 days? Perhaps the stakes on the Apprentice were more pressing for him to just say those 2 words-you're fired. The nation? No big deal.
We have an administration who has yet to condemn Russia and its antics publicly and with the fervor that our national security demands. It is clear what matters, filling their wallets while sacrificing the republic.
Stay tuned.
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What did the president know, and when did he know it? Time for congress to subpoena Trump. And once he's testified under oath, they'll no doubt want to begin the impeachment process.
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I wonder if we will all be surprised to learn that President Obama declassified the transcripts of Flynn's conversations with the Russian ambassador, before he left office. And maybe we will learn that President Obama encouraged the nine sources to reveal the contents of those conversations to the Washington Post. As I understand it, presidents can declassify anything they want. This conclusion is supported by dicta in Department of Navy v. Egan, 484 US 518 (1988), and it is consistent with the historical fact that classification and declassification decisions have been made by the sitting President.
Maybe the GOP and Trump are chasing a leak that wasn't a leak. at all.
Maybe the GOP and Trump are chasing a leak that wasn't a leak. at all.
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What a difference four years makes. Cruz like other Republican senators attacked Sally Yates in a highly partisan and misogynistic way while she calmly recounted her testimony and tutored him on the actual laws pertaining to the Muslim ban.
In 2014, Cruz said about then Sec. of Defense nominee and former GOP senator Chuck Hagel: ""We do not know, for example, if he received compensation for giving paid speeches at extreme or radical groups, ... It is at a minimum relevant to know if that $200,000 that he deposited in his bank account came directly from Saudi Arabia, came directly from North Korea.' ... The "only reasonable inference" to draw from Hagel's refusal to provide additional financial information, is that there was something in there that they did not want to make public."
A smear of a Vietnam veteran who dedicated years of his life to public service was no problem for Cruz, nor was brining up false accusations again about Clinton email. Yet when it comes to Flynn taking money from the Kremlin, or Trump's refusal to provide his tax returns despite his known conflicts of interest, Cruz is silent.
There must be an independent investigation. Republicans just want permanent witch hunts of Sec. Hillary Clinton, Pres. Barack Obama, or other senior women or minorities in Democratic administrations.
In 2014, Cruz said about then Sec. of Defense nominee and former GOP senator Chuck Hagel: ""We do not know, for example, if he received compensation for giving paid speeches at extreme or radical groups, ... It is at a minimum relevant to know if that $200,000 that he deposited in his bank account came directly from Saudi Arabia, came directly from North Korea.' ... The "only reasonable inference" to draw from Hagel's refusal to provide additional financial information, is that there was something in there that they did not want to make public."
A smear of a Vietnam veteran who dedicated years of his life to public service was no problem for Cruz, nor was brining up false accusations again about Clinton email. Yet when it comes to Flynn taking money from the Kremlin, or Trump's refusal to provide his tax returns despite his known conflicts of interest, Cruz is silent.
There must be an independent investigation. Republicans just want permanent witch hunts of Sec. Hillary Clinton, Pres. Barack Obama, or other senior women or minorities in Democratic administrations.
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After watching 3hrs+ of this hearing, I would say the NYT left out some important points.
There were many questions that neither Ms. Yates nor Mr. Clapper could answer as they were bond by law not to discuss classified information or that which pertained to on going investigations by the intelligence community. Their commitment to remain within the confines of the law was clear and this is something that is rare these days.
Both Clapper and Yates confirmed that information existed to answer most questions asked by committee members, but both could not legally disclose certain specifics during a public hearing. Both sides of the aisle encouraged an independent investigation as needed information could not be revealed in this context. Both Yates and Clapper stated that the information the committee sought was available and advised how to locate specifics.
Mr. Clapper gave a plump list of tactics and strategies used by Russia to skew information and disseminate fallacies. He solidly warned that the US needs to increase safeguards to protect against meddling in national and state elections and issues of national safety.
Now is the moment to write each committee member to insist on an independent investigation, as this will be our lawful chance to gain the truth concerning this administration's ties to Russia. Obtaining djt's taxes will also help, as both issues are tied and it is our right to know just how deep this goes.
There were many questions that neither Ms. Yates nor Mr. Clapper could answer as they were bond by law not to discuss classified information or that which pertained to on going investigations by the intelligence community. Their commitment to remain within the confines of the law was clear and this is something that is rare these days.
Both Clapper and Yates confirmed that information existed to answer most questions asked by committee members, but both could not legally disclose certain specifics during a public hearing. Both sides of the aisle encouraged an independent investigation as needed information could not be revealed in this context. Both Yates and Clapper stated that the information the committee sought was available and advised how to locate specifics.
Mr. Clapper gave a plump list of tactics and strategies used by Russia to skew information and disseminate fallacies. He solidly warned that the US needs to increase safeguards to protect against meddling in national and state elections and issues of national safety.
Now is the moment to write each committee member to insist on an independent investigation, as this will be our lawful chance to gain the truth concerning this administration's ties to Russia. Obtaining djt's taxes will also help, as both issues are tied and it is our right to know just how deep this goes.
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During his testimony yesterday James Clapper said:
"In conclusion, Russia's influence activities in the run-up to the 2016 election constituted the high water mark of their long running efforts since the 1960s to disrupt and influence our elections. They must be congratulating themselves for having exceeded their wildest expectations with a minimal expenditure of resource. And I believe they are now emboldened to continue such activities in the future both here and around the world, and to do so even more intensely. If there has ever been a clarion call for vigilance and action against a threat to the very foundation of our democratic political system, this episode is it."
This is reason enough to appoint a special prosecutor, but we also have a president who may have conspired with the Russian government to get into the White House. The Republicans who keep focusing on leaks need to open their eyes.
"In conclusion, Russia's influence activities in the run-up to the 2016 election constituted the high water mark of their long running efforts since the 1960s to disrupt and influence our elections. They must be congratulating themselves for having exceeded their wildest expectations with a minimal expenditure of resource. And I believe they are now emboldened to continue such activities in the future both here and around the world, and to do so even more intensely. If there has ever been a clarion call for vigilance and action against a threat to the very foundation of our democratic political system, this episode is it."
This is reason enough to appoint a special prosecutor, but we also have a president who may have conspired with the Russian government to get into the White House. The Republicans who keep focusing on leaks need to open their eyes.
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As does the news media.
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Yates is gone and Cornyn, Cruz and Trump, who are not worthy to carry her briefcase, are still here. They should come up with a better name for the place she worked at other than the "Justice" Department. I only hope virtue proves to be its own reward.
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Some children develop an internal moral compass that guides their thinking and decision-making as they become mature adults. When mistakes are made, the internal compass is strengthened by learning and experience. Others lack an internal compass, do not learn from their own mistakes, and respond only when compelled to do so by external forces or circumstances.
Where is the Trump administration's moral compass?
Where is the Trump administration's moral compass?
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Didn't Trump ask the Russians to commit espionage upon the server of the Secretary of State to find her emails? Didn't he at the same time claim that those emails contained classified information?
We have now seen a competent, intelligent, informed, dignified and honorable civil servant fired for her integrity. While a dishonorable man who led the audience in a chant of "Lock Her Up!" at the RNC convention (because HRC supposedly "endangered national security" with her private, unhacked email server) hired as head of National Security NSA.
How ironic that it was HE who was compromised and whose presence in the center of US power endangered our national security. Lock him up?
How ironic that it was HE who was compromised and whose presence in the center of US power endangered our national security. Lock him up?
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Comrades - when you are head of NSA or similar government position, cannot take money from foreign governments. Bad to be top advisor to President when caught taking money and cutting deals with foreign agents, then lying about it. Don't forget $500,000 he got from Turkey. Who knows what else?
That's what "so what?"
That's what "so what?"
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Corruption is the True North of this presidency.
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I am old enough to remember how slowly the Watergate scandal unraveled at first. Why do I have the feeling that Trump's poor judgment and insistence on General Flynn to head up security--despite the warnings he received from experienced and informed people--will be dated as the beginning of the Trump presidency's unraveling--with, I suspect, so much more to come.
Where there is smoke, there is fire--and it looks like we are headed toward a forest fire with Trump. Too many of his team were involved with the Russians to be a mere coincidence, only further raising suspicions about Trump's Russian connection(s). Let's see Trump's tax returns.
I also am flabbergasted that the once strongly anti-communist Republicans and right wing suddenly seem to have no problem with Russia meddling in our elections now that Trump is their POTUS. Wow! And these were the same people that often accused the Democrats and liberals of "moral relativism."
Where there is smoke, there is fire--and it looks like we are headed toward a forest fire with Trump. Too many of his team were involved with the Russians to be a mere coincidence, only further raising suspicions about Trump's Russian connection(s). Let's see Trump's tax returns.
I also am flabbergasted that the once strongly anti-communist Republicans and right wing suddenly seem to have no problem with Russia meddling in our elections now that Trump is their POTUS. Wow! And these were the same people that often accused the Democrats and liberals of "moral relativism."
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" If Mr. Flynn lied to his bosses, and Russian officials knew it, Moscow could use it as leverage against him. " if Flynn was lying to his boss about not having talked to the Russians, maybe he is working for the Russians.... is this not a possibility??
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What I found interesting was the obvious lack of respect for Sally Yates by the Republican senators. The sneer on Ted Cruze's face as he questioned her gave me the creeps. And where was he going with the Huma Abedin's emails sent to her husband to print? Even though Comey did not pursue them, Cruz didn't feel that decision applied to him.
I suspect the White House Council and Trump had the same lack of respect, and simply chose to ignore Yates' clear warnings. The real burning question is, what was really the reason for the haste in their firing her, and who leaked all of this to the Washington Post?
I suspect the White House Council and Trump had the same lack of respect, and simply chose to ignore Yates' clear warnings. The real burning question is, what was really the reason for the haste in their firing her, and who leaked all of this to the Washington Post?
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They are Republicans, what else is new.
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Where'd it go? Too contrary for NYT online Berkeley group-think and high-fiving? Once again:
Based on her testimony, Yates seems not the brightest among Obama's moles. However could Flynn be a "blackmail" target when everyone on the planet--NYT-WP swamp leaks--knew he had talked to the Russians and what he had said?
This wasn't Yates' real message: It was fire the guy or Obama's moles in the CIA/NSA will make your life as president even more miserable with swamp leaks.
Based on her testimony, Yates seems not the brightest among Obama's moles. However could Flynn be a "blackmail" target when everyone on the planet--NYT-WP swamp leaks--knew he had talked to the Russians and what he had said?
This wasn't Yates' real message: It was fire the guy or Obama's moles in the CIA/NSA will make your life as president even more miserable with swamp leaks.
How can anyone take the Whitehouse and, especially, Sean Spicer as being credible, when he states that they feel vindicated in taking anything Sally Yates said with a grain of salt, since she was a Clinton supporter.
Trump is imbecile, and Sean Spicer is just as dumb, nothing but liars and lies coming from the Whitehouse.
Trump is imbecile, and Sean Spicer is just as dumb, nothing but liars and lies coming from the Whitehouse.
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Journalists, attorneys, WHISTLE-BLOWERS, investigators: we need you to keep the oven hot so the American people can divest themselves of this team of treasonous, racketeering crooks.
It cannot happen soon enough. The election was illegitimate as a result of Russian collusion. Why can't we do what South Korea has successfully done? President and vice president in 60 days (Pence was certainly an accessory who repeatedly covered up publicly for Trump).
It cannot happen soon enough. The election was illegitimate as a result of Russian collusion. Why can't we do what South Korea has successfully done? President and vice president in 60 days (Pence was certainly an accessory who repeatedly covered up publicly for Trump).
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Donald Trump has ties with Russia. If he wasn't so concerned he would reveal his tax returns. The pathetic, pathological liar in chief, Donald Trump.
A true patriot, Gen. Flynn was Barack Obama's DIA Chief and was intimately aware of things going on overseas. Mr. Obama refused to actually lead us toward resolution of Syria's and Flynn talked about it where people noticed.
Since Obama didn't like that he fired Flynn. An America-lover working closely with Obama sounds like a real stretch and sure enough, it didn't last. Remember that Obama went through a new Secretary of Defense every two years?
Flynn spoke to the Senate Democrats' fave talk-pal in Europe, the Soviet ambassador, on orders. It wasn't chit-chat as it always was for Hillary Clinton and John Podesta who both made serious money for the Russians in trade deals.
If you've bought the story that Flynn is the question mark in America's relations with any foreign country, you've been played again. Had fate intervened and Flynn had become President in 2008, the country would be much safer today and a lot of people wouldn't have died because of radicalized Muslims being allowed into the United States.
Since Obama didn't like that he fired Flynn. An America-lover working closely with Obama sounds like a real stretch and sure enough, it didn't last. Remember that Obama went through a new Secretary of Defense every two years?
Flynn spoke to the Senate Democrats' fave talk-pal in Europe, the Soviet ambassador, on orders. It wasn't chit-chat as it always was for Hillary Clinton and John Podesta who both made serious money for the Russians in trade deals.
If you've bought the story that Flynn is the question mark in America's relations with any foreign country, you've been played again. Had fate intervened and Flynn had become President in 2008, the country would be much safer today and a lot of people wouldn't have died because of radicalized Muslims being allowed into the United States.
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Flynn wasn't running in 2008.
But that was before he started taking money from foreign governments and got to sit next to Putin.
But that was before he started taking money from foreign governments and got to sit next to Putin.
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You explained why (you believe) Obama fired Flynn, why did Trump fire him too?
He fired him a lot quicker than Obama.
Which makes Flynn quite special being fired by 2 POTUS in different parties to boot.
Boot, literally and figuratively.
He fired him a lot quicker than Obama.
Which makes Flynn quite special being fired by 2 POTUS in different parties to boot.
Boot, literally and figuratively.
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President Trump erred in his judgment in not firing this man within 24-hours. But alas, despite him knowing about Flynn's shenanigans, he may have made a decision to keep Flynn - and only decided to cut him loose when the thing came out in the Washington Post.
Lesson from TRUMP debacle:
The parties should adopt a simple rule - No one should be allowed to run in a party primary unless they agree to release his/her TAX RETURN.
Lesson from TRUMP debacle:
The parties should adopt a simple rule - No one should be allowed to run in a party primary unless they agree to release his/her TAX RETURN.
Trump, et al:
Cunning enough to get into the White House,
Stupid enough to think they could fool all of the people all of the time.
Cunning enough to get into the White House,
Stupid enough to think they could fool all of the people all of the time.
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It has been said it's unfair to compare DJT to Hitler. Well, so be it.
But it certainly is fair to compare him to Nixon!
it's not just the lying, the war-mongering and the general unpleasantness, it's mostly the paranoia for me.
DJT really believes in the things he sees on Fox or Breitbart. He's convinced there is a "Deep State" full of Obama saboteurs and spies that are out to get him. He will therefor _never_ believe anybody from the "establishment", even so he's the head of that establishment now.
It is therefor logical that he ignored President Obama when he warned him about Flynn. It probably only made him want that guy more. "If Obama hates him then I like him!". That kind of thinking, like a 5-year-old, you know?
And even as Yates came to him with a strong warning and evidence (not seen on TV of course) he held on to "his guy". After the story broke he probably send out other "guys" to find out if it's true and _only then_ fired Flynn. There could have been testimony to his guilt written across the sky, it wouldn't have mattered, because it didn't come from "his guys".
It's tragic, and dangerous. Imagine some general telling him that Russia just invaded Ukraine with 10.000 tanks and he's just replying "Who paid you to say this, Soros?". The man is mentally and psychologically unfit to be dog catcher, let alone president.
I live every minute as if it were my last until he's separated from the "nuclear football" and locked away for everyone's safety...
But it certainly is fair to compare him to Nixon!
it's not just the lying, the war-mongering and the general unpleasantness, it's mostly the paranoia for me.
DJT really believes in the things he sees on Fox or Breitbart. He's convinced there is a "Deep State" full of Obama saboteurs and spies that are out to get him. He will therefor _never_ believe anybody from the "establishment", even so he's the head of that establishment now.
It is therefor logical that he ignored President Obama when he warned him about Flynn. It probably only made him want that guy more. "If Obama hates him then I like him!". That kind of thinking, like a 5-year-old, you know?
And even as Yates came to him with a strong warning and evidence (not seen on TV of course) he held on to "his guy". After the story broke he probably send out other "guys" to find out if it's true and _only then_ fired Flynn. There could have been testimony to his guilt written across the sky, it wouldn't have mattered, because it didn't come from "his guys".
It's tragic, and dangerous. Imagine some general telling him that Russia just invaded Ukraine with 10.000 tanks and he's just replying "Who paid you to say this, Soros?". The man is mentally and psychologically unfit to be dog catcher, let alone president.
I live every minute as if it were my last until he's separated from the "nuclear football" and locked away for everyone's safety...
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The Republicans wish to change the narrative away from the subjects of Flynn and the Russian intrusion into our election into one insisting that the Democrats (Yates and others) leaked classified info to the press and that was by far the greater crime.
They should be careful about what they sow.
In my opinion it is far likelier that someone in the White House (an acolyte of McGhan???) leaked the Flynn story to the Washington Post out of frustration that Trump refused to act on the Flynn problem for 18 days and seemed intent on jeopardizing our security by holding on to this misbegotten General.
They should be careful about what they sow.
In my opinion it is far likelier that someone in the White House (an acolyte of McGhan???) leaked the Flynn story to the Washington Post out of frustration that Trump refused to act on the Flynn problem for 18 days and seemed intent on jeopardizing our security by holding on to this misbegotten General.
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Trump's character judgment selects for duplicitous sleazeballs just like himself.
When will this nightmare end? A segue to Pence will only intensify it.
When will this nightmare end? A segue to Pence will only intensify it.
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The Senate should shine a light on White House counsel Don McGahn. He told Yates that he didn't care that Flynn had lied to the administration and the American people. Or, he didn't know why that mattered.
What a bunch of shameless, unethical, immoral, and ignorant people we have working for us in the White House. Flynn was just one of many rotten apples. Despicable.
What a bunch of shameless, unethical, immoral, and ignorant people we have working for us in the White House. Flynn was just one of many rotten apples. Despicable.
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Why would the WH listen to Sally Yates--after all she was a Democrat-- says Sean Spicer, more or less. One thing you can count on in today's WH--partisanship takes precedence over national security.
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Geez Louise.
President Trump is supposedly such a hot-stuff businessman that he wants to "run the country like a business". Okay, fine--even though actual REAL businessmen aren't afraid to share their tax returns. But, whatever.
Now we learn that President Obama--Mr. Flynn's previous employer--warned Mr. Trump not to hire him. Who the heck hires someone when the previous employer warns against him? That's the dumbest move in business ever--even if the previous employer is your political opponent.
Trump is no businessman. Not sure what he actually is, but his actions don't align with his claims.
President Trump is supposedly such a hot-stuff businessman that he wants to "run the country like a business". Okay, fine--even though actual REAL businessmen aren't afraid to share their tax returns. But, whatever.
Now we learn that President Obama--Mr. Flynn's previous employer--warned Mr. Trump not to hire him. Who the heck hires someone when the previous employer warns against him? That's the dumbest move in business ever--even if the previous employer is your political opponent.
Trump is no businessman. Not sure what he actually is, but his actions don't align with his claims.
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Good Lord, a Love in for Yates and Clapper. So always the ends justify the means. Crickets when a Democratic Administration conducts business this way.
Lois Lerner, Clapper, Yates, Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch, all Political Hacks. This waste of time reveals nothing. Flynn?? What about Clintons Russia ties? Again and Again just because the Democrats got caught with their pants down and their sad truth comes out they are outraged. Let's move on to the Next big Trump impeachment joke.
Lois Lerner, Clapper, Yates, Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch, all Political Hacks. This waste of time reveals nothing. Flynn?? What about Clintons Russia ties? Again and Again just because the Democrats got caught with their pants down and their sad truth comes out they are outraged. Let's move on to the Next big Trump impeachment joke.
So first Obama gives Trump a "heads up" on Flynn and Trump thinks it's just BS and goes ahead and appoints him. Then Yates tries to help Trump out and gives him what turned out to be very accurate information and she gets fired and labeled a political opponent. On some level it bothers me that Obama and Yates actually tried to help this lunatic but being decent human beings they did what was right. If someone still supports this idiot they are even more stupid than they were when they voted for him.
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Should Trump be impeached for ignoring Sally Yates's warning about Michael Flynn's mendacity? Flynn obviously posed a security threat to the country, and Trump was willing to turn a blind eye to it, placing loyalty ahead of integrity. He is not running a company, but heading a government.
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The bottom line is that Trump tried to protect Flynn because they're both working in the service of the Russians. Patriots everywhere need to oppose Trump in every way possible.
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Please stay this deluded because it makes you just so entertaining. You're all set for the Maxine Waters Presidential Campaign beginning in a couple of years.
This tells me the report that 80% of NYC high school grads have weak reading and reasoning skills came from reliable sources.
This tells me the report that 80% of NYC high school grads have weak reading and reasoning skills came from reliable sources.
It is no surprise that DT would assume that President Obama was lying and scheming when Obama, and Sally Yates, attempted to steer Trump away from Flynn. DT is constantly lying and scheming, all in his own self interest. He has no concept of The Office of President of the United States as being to serve and protect anyone but himself and his spoiled, complicit family. Most of the thousands of persons who work in the Federal Government, and serve in the armed forces really do believe in doing what is right for the nation, not themselves. DT could never understand that. His vengeful recklessness is impeachable and a stain on America's collective soul.
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Why? Easy. Trump knew. He wanted Flynn there. Flynn offered a backdoor to the Russians, and The Donald was all in. Only problem? You're not building apartments in NYC anymore, Mr. Trump.
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You are so right.
However, through his not-blind, not-really-a-trust, Trump no doubt continues to benefit from the investments/condo sales/bank loans his dear children obtain from their despot and oligarch buddies. He is still in deep with them.
However, through his not-blind, not-really-a-trust, Trump no doubt continues to benefit from the investments/condo sales/bank loans his dear children obtain from their despot and oligarch buddies. He is still in deep with them.
This half truth of a story is as old as dirt. Nobody is at this hearing, anyway. Lets open comments up on a new topic like the mayor of Seattle.
impeach trump and pence and the rest of the team. also, Ryan and McConnell are implicit. America needs a more thorough investigation.
The lessons of Watergate are a long road to stupidity by the Republicans and the voters and supporters of trump.
Reveal the cover up.
The lessons of Watergate are a long road to stupidity by the Republicans and the voters and supporters of trump.
Reveal the cover up.
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Based on her testimony, Yates seems not the brightest among Obama's moles. However could Flynn be a "blackmail" target when everyone on the planet--NYT-WP swamp leaks--knew he had talked to the Russians and what he had said?
This wasn't Yates' real message: It was fire the guy or Obama's moles in the CIA will make your life as president even more miserable with swamp leaks.
This wasn't Yates' real message: It was fire the guy or Obama's moles in the CIA will make your life as president even more miserable with swamp leaks.
Mrs. Yates for president, everything that the current potus lacks (character integrity ability) she possess.
As predictable the GOP is far more concerned with the leaks or "unmasking". they are more embarrassed by the political fall out then the security risk to our democracy. their concern is that their chito messiah will be unmasked for the incompetent twit that he is. They have no fear of what the Russians may do to our democracy, they have done far more damage. They have undercut the voting rights act and are in fact making it harder for minorities to vote. they have gerrymandered the house races to inflate their numbers. No they wish to silence the leaks so the people don't know how they are mismanaging our nation for the benefit of the 2%
As predictable the GOP is far more concerned with the leaks or "unmasking". they are more embarrassed by the political fall out then the security risk to our democracy. their concern is that their chito messiah will be unmasked for the incompetent twit that he is. They have no fear of what the Russians may do to our democracy, they have done far more damage. They have undercut the voting rights act and are in fact making it harder for minorities to vote. they have gerrymandered the house races to inflate their numbers. No they wish to silence the leaks so the people don't know how they are mismanaging our nation for the benefit of the 2%
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Trump scares me, but he'll be gone in four years one way or the other.
What scares me more is that something like half the US electorate is too dumb to understand why all of this is so wrong.
To quote Donald - "I love the poorly educated".
What scares me more is that something like half the US electorate is too dumb to understand why all of this is so wrong.
To quote Donald - "I love the poorly educated".
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Once again, another example of his self-love.
The judges Trump appoints to the federal judiciary will make dyslexia the law of the land by then.
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Flynn, Kushner, Manafort, Page, Sessions, Eric Trump....is there any doubt that the Orange Emperor is involved with the Russians as well.
If Trump were named Clinton with ties like these the Republicans would already have impeached, convicted and sent to Leavenworth.
If Trump were named Clinton with ties like these the Republicans would already have impeached, convicted and sent to Leavenworth.
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These folks are not deterred from posing as officials when they are only private citizens.
These are indeed frightening times. I would love to see some sign from the GOP that our democracy must come first, that people matter, and that truth and justice are not only valued but promoted. From rejection of science to disregard for ethics on all levels of politics, our role in the world is eroding while the country's ability to serve the interests of all citizens is at risk daily. We must get to the bottom of the alarming connections between Trump's gang and the Russians. Then our lawmakers, with the force of an independent judiciary behind them, must act accordingly. (Think "lock her up, lock him up" mentality.) During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump and associates harped on the ideal of no person being above the law. Now let's enforce it across the board. You can't effectively drain the swamp by removing all but the biggest gators. Whether resisting oppressive rule under Trump or encouraging responsible governance with Sally Yates as this week's hero, we the people demand responsible governance. Now.
EVERYONE has an agenda these days. There is NO REAL journalism or reporting on ANY front PERIOD. ALL television, print media, and internet news is unreliable, inaccurate, and seldom sourced. However, what they are able to do is control the narrative in unison by citing each other's "thought police" slant to THEIR perspective operating under the cloak of the first amendment while casting scorn on those who dare question how they can operate with complete autonomy and NO accountability. Thus, the most inherent danger to our democracy is "yellow journalism" by OMISSION.
We are so proud of Sally Yates. Ms Yates has the highest integrity and could not in good faith serve in the Trump administration.
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What were Trump's selection criteria for Flynn? In exchange for Russian election support, Trump needs to keep Russia happy and use people from Putin's favored list. Trump did not develop his own selection criteria.
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The indifference of the Trump White House, the GOP and even some of the responses here to a clear threat to our nation security is stunning and very troubling.
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Attorneys are under oath to defend clients. Compare the lawyers’ oath to Republican politicians’ muddying waters, defending unethical behavior, a kettle-of-fish for politicians whose oath is to uphold the Constitution. GOP politicians without an oath defend unethical or criminal behavior of GOP functionaries as if no standards applied. By defending bad behavior, politically-motivated GOP pols commit unethical behavior, serving their party, ignoring the oath of office to serve the nation’s Constitution and laws. Political motivations do not excuse unethical or criminal behavior. Members of Congress manufacture political duties to the GOP out of whole-cloth, and defend criminal and unethical behavior in Congress and the Administration. Criminal or unethical duties might be avoided if the oath of office were obeyed. Sally Yates is a Justice Department hero who distinguished performing attorney-duty from performing contrived, self-interested political duties practiced in the interest of money-grubbing by GOP politicians who brag in full view, and Ms. Yates added public service even when microphones and cameras were not on. GOP pols would not misbehave if they were ethical and dutiful like Ms. Yates and might be controlled if the public voted higher standards and enforced the distinctions which Ms. Yates exercised. Poorly-performed-voting produces what is plain in the halls of Washington.
It took one day for Trump to fire Sally Yates for not following an order she did not agree with. It took 18 days to fire someone who "supposedly" lied to him. Trump is not credible.
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And yet, he persisted.
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Several questions remain: 1) Why didn’t the Trump transition team vet Flynn? (His disclosures were inaccurate, incomplete and much less than other administrations have required). 2) Did they vet other appointees? 3) Who knew Flynn was comforting the Russians regarding sanctions? (Seems hard to believe he would walk out on this limb on his own?). 4) Was he asked to inform the Russians the Trump administration would not enforce the sanctions on Russia? By whom? 5) How could the Trump administration conclude he had done "nothing wrong," when they were told 18 days prior that Flynn had concealed undermining the Obama administration sanctions and lied to them all (and the public) about it repeatedly?
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Trump probably wants to keep Flynn nearby as a means to prevent him from spilling his guts about the nature and extent of Trump's Russia involvement.
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The best explanation I've heard for why Trump kept Flynn on after he was compromised is that Trump simply didn't care. Ties to Putin would have eliminated a candidate in every previous administration. For the Trump crowd, ties to Russia are standard operating procedure -- no reason whatsoever for concern.
Yates warned the White House Counsel of the problem Flynn had created by telling public lies that were visible to Russia.
McGahn wondered since when the FBI was worried about one White House employee lying to another. It seems likely that that derisive answer reflects the manner and tone in which the tale was -- according to Spicer -- "immediately" passed to Trump. Who took it so seriously that he responded by doing nothing.
The alarming element of this story is the incompetence of the White House staff, and the President's apparent vulnerability to the staff's unreliable judgment.
McGahn wondered since when the FBI was worried about one White House employee lying to another. It seems likely that that derisive answer reflects the manner and tone in which the tale was -- according to Spicer -- "immediately" passed to Trump. Who took it so seriously that he responded by doing nothing.
The alarming element of this story is the incompetence of the White House staff, and the President's apparent vulnerability to the staff's unreliable judgment.
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A lot of nothing.
Yay for Clapper. At the end of the hearing he was asked what he thought should be done now to enhance national security. One thing he suggested was a government program to educate our citizens on recognition of fake news!
Thanks NYT and WAPO for keeping it real.
Thanks NYT and WAPO for keeping it real.
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The great thing about the 2018 midterms is that after we Americans take back control of the house, we can then appoint a Special Prosecutor to do an actual investgation rather than pretending the bought and paid for FBI and comey the acumbag are being thorough.
And because the Statute of Limitations for these kinds of high crimes is irrelevant when we win back the White House in 2020 there will be a full blown Benghazi level investigation into all of the koch owned gop's wrongdoings in general and the draft dodging daughter dater in detail.
Starting with the coward's tax returns.
And because the Statute of Limitations for these kinds of high crimes is irrelevant when we win back the White House in 2020 there will be a full blown Benghazi level investigation into all of the koch owned gop's wrongdoings in general and the draft dodging daughter dater in detail.
Starting with the coward's tax returns.
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Trump did not rid himself of Flynn because he does not like having to behave in consideration of others because he is obliged to do so instead of choosing to do so. There you have it, an adolescent mind in a seventy year old body, enabled by having so much money that he just never has had to confront the consequences of his behavior with any seriousness. We are in for years of a silly rich boy twit as our President, enabled by a majority Party in Congress that thinks that by holding their breath altogether they can make the world do what they want because they control both houses of Congress, the White House, and nearly the Supreme Court. While some Republicans are going to want Trump to be a responsible President, most are just glad he's a Republican, and will let him continue to act poorly.
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We are imersed ina sea of outrageous lies surrounding Trump's pseudo-presidency:
Mike Flynn and the link to the Russians
Jeff Sessions and the link to the Russians
James B. Comey and his perfecty-timed tall tales about Hillary's emails
Trump's wild Tweets about Yates are his own personal Pinocchio Meter.
The Republicans were able to convince half of this nation that Hillary was a criminal with lies and obfuscation and the help of Comey, but they turn their backs when our national security, now possibly in the hands of a Russian stooge, is truly at risk
Mike Flynn and the link to the Russians
Jeff Sessions and the link to the Russians
James B. Comey and his perfecty-timed tall tales about Hillary's emails
Trump's wild Tweets about Yates are his own personal Pinocchio Meter.
The Republicans were able to convince half of this nation that Hillary was a criminal with lies and obfuscation and the help of Comey, but they turn their backs when our national security, now possibly in the hands of a Russian stooge, is truly at risk
At least Donald's hair will match the orange jumpsuit.
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According to Trump, every one of his disastrous ignorant, belligerent decisions is Obama's fault; every gift, such as the strongest economy ever to be given an incoming president, is due to him.
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A short list of known facts:
1. Trump is a proven, unhesitating, repeated liar.
2. Trump is manic about projecting an image of power, wealth, and fame.
3. Trump is hiding the information in his tax returns.
4. Trump hires close staff members with loyalty as the overriding qualification.
5. Trump has consistently praised and defended Vladimir Putin.
6. Trump confidently hinted that the Russians should hack Hillary Clinton's email servers to find 33,000 lost emails.
7. Trump knew that Flynn had lied to Pence about his interactions with the Russians.
8. Trump was content to retain Flynn until he was forced to fire him by the glaring revelations of the Washington Post.
9. Trump abruptly fired Sally Yates once he realized how much she knew about Flynn.
10. Trump has repeatedly denied any collusion with the Russians in the election skulduggery, even though no one has actually accused him of it.
It is not a big leap to the conclusion that Trump cheated his way to the presidency, and that he made some sort of deal with the Russians to help him do it.
It is conclusive that Trump's presidency is a catastrophic failure of the system that lets electors overrule the will of the majority.
1. Trump is a proven, unhesitating, repeated liar.
2. Trump is manic about projecting an image of power, wealth, and fame.
3. Trump is hiding the information in his tax returns.
4. Trump hires close staff members with loyalty as the overriding qualification.
5. Trump has consistently praised and defended Vladimir Putin.
6. Trump confidently hinted that the Russians should hack Hillary Clinton's email servers to find 33,000 lost emails.
7. Trump knew that Flynn had lied to Pence about his interactions with the Russians.
8. Trump was content to retain Flynn until he was forced to fire him by the glaring revelations of the Washington Post.
9. Trump abruptly fired Sally Yates once he realized how much she knew about Flynn.
10. Trump has repeatedly denied any collusion with the Russians in the election skulduggery, even though no one has actually accused him of it.
It is not a big leap to the conclusion that Trump cheated his way to the presidency, and that he made some sort of deal with the Russians to help him do it.
It is conclusive that Trump's presidency is a catastrophic failure of the system that lets electors overrule the will of the majority.
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But what you forget is that Trump is always right, because he is the boss. The boss is always right. What is it about this that you don't understand?
Besides, because Donald Trump has zero experience, he cannot be held accountable for his "mistakes." He has license to make mistakes, period.
Finally, Trump has millions of supporters who will support most anything he says or does. They will support him, through thick and thin.
No, we have to come up with better arguments to oppose Donald Trump.
Besides, because Donald Trump has zero experience, he cannot be held accountable for his "mistakes." He has license to make mistakes, period.
Finally, Trump has millions of supporters who will support most anything he says or does. They will support him, through thick and thin.
No, we have to come up with better arguments to oppose Donald Trump.
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Pat from Long Island says, "If this were Clinton or Obama, the impeachment hearing would have started this morning."
Apparently there is one thing most Americans do not understand. The Top 1% Global Financial Elite Robber Baron Good Old Boys Radical Religion Party who have taken over OUR government - and are trying to take over governments around the world so they can run them and profit from them - are the insatiably greediest, most socially unconscious group of men to ever inhabit the earth. They care about nothing but mindlessly making money. They have more wealth than half the world's population and want more. They're basically socially insane. They also control major media, the internet and entertainment complex so they control what we see and hear.
One has to understand that and stop trying to make them into decent human beings. They are not.
WE must get them OUT of our governments at all levels and preserve/restore democracy in America right now.
This must not stand in America. Not now.. Not ever.
Apparently there is one thing most Americans do not understand. The Top 1% Global Financial Elite Robber Baron Good Old Boys Radical Religion Party who have taken over OUR government - and are trying to take over governments around the world so they can run them and profit from them - are the insatiably greediest, most socially unconscious group of men to ever inhabit the earth. They care about nothing but mindlessly making money. They have more wealth than half the world's population and want more. They're basically socially insane. They also control major media, the internet and entertainment complex so they control what we see and hear.
One has to understand that and stop trying to make them into decent human beings. They are not.
WE must get them OUT of our governments at all levels and preserve/restore democracy in America right now.
This must not stand in America. Not now.. Not ever.
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Why didn't Trump fire Flynn immediately? Because Trump thinks being president is just like being CEO of a family business. He thinks he can hire/fire anyone he wants. He wanted Flynn because of Flynn's friendly relationship with Putin, not in spite of it.
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Presumably, in a democracy, it is the populace by elections that arbitrates the (approximate) direction of foreign policy they wish, not Ms. Yates.
But we're not a democracy, are we? We're a representative republic, remember? We're a unique form or representative republic that is saddled with a vestigial entity that was instituted as a sop to the slave states, that reneged on its one constitutional obligation (to prevent the accession to power of a demagogue, NOT, as some believe, to rubber-stamp the vote of the majority of their states) and afflicting our republic with a so-called president who the vast majority of the voters voted *against*! The true democracies of the west are aghast, justifiably distrustful and antipathetic to this incompetent and apparently deranged individual who would never have been placed in a position of importance in their countries.
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"Presumably, in a democracy, it is the populace by elections that arbitrates the (approximate) direction of foreign policy they wish, "
and in a democracy, the majority of voters get to decide.
In other words, in 2000, the majority of American voters chose an obsessive policy wonk who would not have ignored warnings of an imminent attack, with the planned 20th hijacker already in jail, 9/11 would have passed as another blue-sky September day, and we would not have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq
2) in 2016, a clear majority rejected Trump.
and in a democracy, the majority of voters get to decide.
In other words, in 2000, the majority of American voters chose an obsessive policy wonk who would not have ignored warnings of an imminent attack, with the planned 20th hijacker already in jail, 9/11 would have passed as another blue-sky September day, and we would not have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq
2) in 2016, a clear majority rejected Trump.
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She was not trying to direct foreign policy. She was revealing a threat to the government. A threat which was ignored by the incompetent president.
Of course you can't see that because the volume is too high on your 24/7 Fox Propaganda channel.
Of course you can't see that because the volume is too high on your 24/7 Fox Propaganda channel.
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From Nixon's 18 minute gap in the Watergate tapes, to Trump's 18 day delay in Russiagate? Wouldn't that be loverly . . . .
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pizzagate
flynn is a russian agent and a conspiracy nutter
whats not for trump to love ?
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I think that Mr Flynn was carrying a message to the Russians that Mr Trump wanted help in winning the election. After some of Flynn's conversations were caught on tape the Trump administration stonewalled and took no action because they did not know how Flynn would respond if they threw him under the bus. Should Flynn receive immunity it would be a fair bet to say that it will be in exchange for nailing Trump.
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There are a lot of politicians wasting time doing things that everyone knows will go no where. How many times do the Democrats have to be told there is no there there when it comes to Trump and the Russians. They did not seemed concerned when Hillary had a server with all kind of secrets in her house. Then there is Mr Flynn. Obama gave him the security clearance and the question is why did he not have his security clearance pulled? Did he let it go just to lay a trap for Trump? There is a felony to be looked into and that is the unmasking and leaking names. That is a story that has legs.
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Spin till you're dizzy C Tracy. This is all about the trump administration .
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Flynn was a Russian agent. So is Trump. He owes them tens of millions of dollars and he launders their money. So they own him. Trump was hoping the Flynn fiasco would blow over. That's why he waited eighteen days before firing Flynn. Now, Flynn is gonna hang Trump out to dry. Lock them both up.
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"a quickly unfolding scandal at the highest level of government"?
Clearly, a major scandal at the highest level of government and an apparetn major security breech...
BUT "quickly unfolding"?
This story -- and 'investigation' -- has been simmering for MONTHS, constantly back-burnered (or altogether concealed) by the Republicans and Trump. WHY the delay? (Well, we know the answer to that...)
This SHOULD have been "quickly unfolding" within DAYS of the election, or at the very least immediately when Flynn's actions came to light!
Clearly, a major scandal at the highest level of government and an apparetn major security breech...
BUT "quickly unfolding"?
This story -- and 'investigation' -- has been simmering for MONTHS, constantly back-burnered (or altogether concealed) by the Republicans and Trump. WHY the delay? (Well, we know the answer to that...)
This SHOULD have been "quickly unfolding" within DAYS of the election, or at the very least immediately when Flynn's actions came to light!
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What happened to 17 agencies' consensus? Now it became 3 agencies? It was such an assuring statement before.
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What happened was, the counterintelligence investigation, with its sensitive information and nature, was restricted to the three intelligence agencies most suited to the investigation. They were attempting discretion and containment of facts and sources, most of which has not yet been declassified.
The conclusions they reached were then broadly reviewed by the other 14 agencies, and among those secondary agencies there was no significant opposition to the report's conclusions. The heads of those agencies signed a statement of concurrence, along with those of the primary investigators, and the fact of those results and signatories was released or provided at the time (mid-October, I think it was).
As the Senate investigation has proceeded and detailed testimony and questions are being received and answered, the investigation breadth and process have been delineated. There is no confliction with past information on this point; just clarification that has led to confusion (and perhaps obfuscation by some parties) on the sound-byte reporting level.
Source : MSNBC in - depth reporting this subject, afternoon of May 8. Unsure of the name of the expert explaining this there, but he was in a position to know.
The conclusions they reached were then broadly reviewed by the other 14 agencies, and among those secondary agencies there was no significant opposition to the report's conclusions. The heads of those agencies signed a statement of concurrence, along with those of the primary investigators, and the fact of those results and signatories was released or provided at the time (mid-October, I think it was).
As the Senate investigation has proceeded and detailed testimony and questions are being received and answered, the investigation breadth and process have been delineated. There is no confliction with past information on this point; just clarification that has led to confusion (and perhaps obfuscation by some parties) on the sound-byte reporting level.
Source : MSNBC in - depth reporting this subject, afternoon of May 8. Unsure of the name of the expert explaining this there, but he was in a position to know.
@bbbabs,
You mean the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency was reviewing the conclusions? Air Force? Coast Guard? Drug Enforcement Administration?
Why?
You mean the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency was reviewing the conclusions? Air Force? Coast Guard? Drug Enforcement Administration?
Why?
@bbbabs,
From the yesterday's hearing:
FRANKEN: And I want to thank General Clapper and – and Attorney General Yates for – for appearing today. We have – the intelligence communities have concluded all 17 of them that Russia interfered with this election. And we all know how that’s right.
CLAPPER: Senator, as I pointed out in my statement Senator Franken, it was there were only three agencies that directly involved in this assessment plus my office…
FRANKEN: But all 17 signed on to that?
CLAPPER: Well, we didn’t go through that – that process, this was a special situation because of the time limits and my – what I knew to be to who could really contribute to this and the sensitivity of the situation, we decided it was a constant judgment to restrict it to those three. I’m not aware of anyone who dissented or – or disagreed when it came out.
From the yesterday's hearing:
FRANKEN: And I want to thank General Clapper and – and Attorney General Yates for – for appearing today. We have – the intelligence communities have concluded all 17 of them that Russia interfered with this election. And we all know how that’s right.
CLAPPER: Senator, as I pointed out in my statement Senator Franken, it was there were only three agencies that directly involved in this assessment plus my office…
FRANKEN: But all 17 signed on to that?
CLAPPER: Well, we didn’t go through that – that process, this was a special situation because of the time limits and my – what I knew to be to who could really contribute to this and the sensitivity of the situation, we decided it was a constant judgment to restrict it to those three. I’m not aware of anyone who dissented or – or disagreed when it came out.
And Sally Yates got fired. Sally Yates is the kind of person our government needs more of. Sally Yates has much to be proud of - intelligence, common sense, a sense if duty to the law and citizens, and composure in the face of inane posturing from elected officials intent on propping up the biggest mistake for a president our country has seen since George Washington.
If only there were many more people like Sally Yates in our government.
If only there were many more people like Sally Yates in our government.
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I hope she finds demand in the private sector.
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I hope the opposite, that she runs for Senate or something.
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Trump values blind obedience and ego-stroking over competence.
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Sally Yates immensely intelligent, composed, morally grounded, graceful, courageous, puts country above self.
Trump..none of the above.
If you didn't know, which one do you think was the President of the United States.
Trump..none of the above.
If you didn't know, which one do you think was the President of the United States.
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Ms Yates handled herself quite admirably yesterday. Having had an opportunity to see some of her testimony yesterday, I'm quite disappointed that the NYT failed to mention the humiliating performances from Cruz, Cornyne, and Grassley, who nearly strained their backs carrying water for Trump.
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My how the brave and the proud are cowed by the reality TV phony.
Trump "was warned and he yet persisted". The difference is that was Senatorial rules wrangling, this is was breaking the law.
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There is only one conclusion you can draw from all of this. Trump wanted Flynn as NSA Advisor because of his close ties with Russia. Flynn was loyal to Trump and likely was directed to do what he did by Trump. Why contact Russian officials on your own? As we know Trump has no respect for Obama, the legal system or US Intelligence, so why should he have listened? When the story didn't go away, and when Pence was made a fool of by Flynn, Trump had no choice but to fire him. Probably there was a crisis within the WH about it (the us or him scenario). Now Trump is desperately trying to confuse and hide the story cause if the truth be known, Trump's political career will likely be over.
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It's hard to believe there were not many, many "clean" experts on national security and intelligence that President Trump could have picked over Flynn. He always brags he has "the best people" in his administration. An ex-president's warning alone should have made Trump look elsewhere for his top adviser. This is a glimpse into the way Trump evaluates the people he hires. Flynn was an outspoken, active supporter during the campaign, so loyalty is one of his employee requirements. If is also apparent that a man who was fired by the previous president would have an axe to grind and would eagerly assist Trump is destroying that ex-president's legacy in every way possible, whether it was in the best interests of the nation or not. It is also apparent that Flynn's demonstrated intent to get rich off of his government service and acquired knowledge and contacts fit nicely with the Trump and Kushner famileis'.
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It smells like " Complicit".
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Flynn a Three Star General shouting at the Republican Convention "Lock Her Up". Rather than act like a retired three star General he choice that of a campaign hack. Sadly he very well may be locked up for that which he choice to hide.
Impeach the guy...enough already!!!
He will get us all killed if we let him, come on now...it's time to go...
He will get us all killed if we let him, come on now...it's time to go...
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I can't wait for the indictments to come on members of this corrupt administration, as well as the arrest of the traitor Flynn.
Russia is an autocratic state under the guise of a republic. And Putin has suborned murder of Russian nationals.
Russia is an autocratic state under the guise of a republic. And Putin has suborned murder of Russian nationals.
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Connect the dots:
1) Mr. Flynn thinks it is to his advantage to lie to the president. As security adviser he must know that foreign diplomats are monitored.
2) Mr. Trump - informed about the lie - feels it is to his advantage to brush the lie under the carpet; knowing that Mr. Flynn has to hide something. Yet also Mr. Trump feels safe that the truth will not come to light; or is ignorant.
3) Mr. Flynn is ready to snitch in exchange for immunity. Clearly he suggests that there is a bigger fish to fry than just himself; albeit what he tries to hide appears substantial.
4) Mr. Trump - through his tweets - is already appealing to the court of public opinions, presumably knowing that the facts are not in his favor.
5) The Republicans investigators in the senate look the other way and appeal to the court of public opinion by deflecting to email server.
6) Mr. Trump instead of being thankful to the leaker to correct his misjudgment of Mr. Flynn is condemning the leaker; eliminating the possibility to appeal to perhaps his slight ignorance of the gravity of the situation; ignorance is a trait that his supporters certainly would be willing to forgive.
The noose is tightening around many necks. Whose will it be ultimately?
1) Mr. Flynn thinks it is to his advantage to lie to the president. As security adviser he must know that foreign diplomats are monitored.
2) Mr. Trump - informed about the lie - feels it is to his advantage to brush the lie under the carpet; knowing that Mr. Flynn has to hide something. Yet also Mr. Trump feels safe that the truth will not come to light; or is ignorant.
3) Mr. Flynn is ready to snitch in exchange for immunity. Clearly he suggests that there is a bigger fish to fry than just himself; albeit what he tries to hide appears substantial.
4) Mr. Trump - through his tweets - is already appealing to the court of public opinions, presumably knowing that the facts are not in his favor.
5) The Republicans investigators in the senate look the other way and appeal to the court of public opinion by deflecting to email server.
6) Mr. Trump instead of being thankful to the leaker to correct his misjudgment of Mr. Flynn is condemning the leaker; eliminating the possibility to appeal to perhaps his slight ignorance of the gravity of the situation; ignorance is a trait that his supporters certainly would be willing to forgive.
The noose is tightening around many necks. Whose will it be ultimately?
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Why did it take 18 days for Gen. Flynn to be fire-tired? Because he reported to the "Liar-in-Chief" and would still be doing so, if it wasn't for that Fake News outlet otherwise known as the Washington Post. Trump's staff vetting was probably limited to a review of their Twitter accounts and what they had said in refernce to him. SpiceBoy, ReinceDeer and the Holy Ghost from Indiana can't stop this Train Wreck from happening.
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Whoda' thnk it?
The party of Hollywood Reagan is now the party of sawed off Putin.
The party of Hollywood Reagan is now the party of sawed off Putin.
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Is it possible for tump to be censored by congress? I think that would be fitting with the information we have discovered now. There has to be some consequences!
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I hate to agree with anything Trump says but when he asks in his tweet why Obama gave Flynn back his SC after firing him as chief of the DIA, he's asking a legitimate question. The answer is Obama did't. Why on earth would he? This was the goof of some bureaucratic nitwit, maybe more than one, in the Pentagon who just "didn't get the word." Happens a lot. But, Why, after being warned of Al Queda's plans to hijack planes in the U.S., did't Geo, W. Bush, then President of the United States, do something - anything at all . to foil their plans.? Instead, he did nothing.
We'll always have these bureaucratic goofballs in government or any big organization with thousands of employees, but please lets not have more nitwit presidents like Dubbya and Trump.
We'll always have these bureaucratic goofballs in government or any big organization with thousands of employees, but please lets not have more nitwit presidents like Dubbya and Trump.
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neither you nor trump know what a red herring is
its the thing that makes your post moot
have a nice day
its the thing that makes your post moot
have a nice day
Boxcutters were all the 9/11 hijackers had for weapons. I wonder if they were surprised that Allah let them succeed.
The passengers have foiled hijackers ever since.
The passengers have foiled hijackers ever since.
Absolutely, so what. Why should Trump dump someone just because Obama and Yates tell him to do so. As soon as Trump had first hand knowledge. he got rid of him.
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Actually, Trump fired Yates as soon as he heard the story about Flynn. trump didn't fire Flynn until reports about Flynn's conduct surfaced in the Washington Post, weeks later.
As to "so what", you might ask Flynn's attorney why Flynn is asking for immunity.
As to "so what", you might ask Flynn's attorney why Flynn is asking for immunity.
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So the president and the acting attorney general personally telling Trump that Flynn was compromised isn't "first hand knowledge"? I suppose it was only when Trump heard about it from Info Wars, or Fox News that the info is legit, huh?!
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Trump apologists like you need to get your facts straight.
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What that downsizing the 17 intelligence agencies report to 3 agencies was about?
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It took eighteen (18) days for President Trump to fire General Flynn. Why did it take that long. Important question.
It took eighteen (18) minutes of erased recorded tape to end President Richard M. Nixon's presidency.
Eighteen(18), very unlucky number.
It took eighteen (18) minutes of erased recorded tape to end President Richard M. Nixon's presidency.
Eighteen(18), very unlucky number.
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The reason DJT wants a cordial relationship with Russia is that may Russian citizens buy Trump condos, stay in Trump Hotels and are members of his Golf Country Clubs. He confuses business deals with political sensibilities. However, Putin is a KGB Agent, not a deal-maker, real estate developer or peanut farmer. DJT is learning the hard way that his business experience is clouding the reality of running a nation.
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Please stop trying to normalize the abnormality that is President Trump. Nothing about his time in office has been normal and nothing about him has changed. He is grossly incompetent and proves it daily. He is using the office to enrich himself and his spawn, and proves it daily.
If we survive the next 1300 or so days until he will be voted out of office if he is not impeached or removed via 25th Amendment sooner, the country will be forever changed for the worse.
If we survive the next 1300 or so days until he will be voted out of office if he is not impeached or removed via 25th Amendment sooner, the country will be forever changed for the worse.
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We’re still waiting for Trump's Tax Returns - let NYT and the rest of the media focus on that. To paraphrase Trump - please hack the so-called President's tax returns please, in order to get real clarity about him. Focus, focus!!!
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So had the information had not been leaked, there would now be a Russian agent working smack dab in the middle of our government.
Whoever leaked the information that finally forced the draft dodging daughter dater to fire Flynn is a National Hero.
Whoever leaked the information that finally forced the draft dodging daughter dater to fire Flynn is a National Hero.
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How I wish that, during yesterday's hearing, one of the Senators would have pointed out that Trump fired Flynn ONLY after the "fake news" media (some did mention the Washington Post by name) had revealed the truth of what happened.
It appalls me that Trump constantly belittles the legitimate press, and, thus, creates uncertainty in the minds of some naive individuals that major American institutions can't be trusted. He seems to be following Putin's game plan very closely.
It appalls me that Trump constantly belittles the legitimate press, and, thus, creates uncertainty in the minds of some naive individuals that major American institutions can't be trusted. He seems to be following Putin's game plan very closely.
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The simple reason why Donald Trump kept Flynn on, and why he hired him, Paul Manafort, and Carter Page in the first place is they were close to his world view and opinions of Russia and Putin. He trusted them and relied on Flynn's judgment. Why not, if Trump himself, as so many public documents show, received millions from shady Russian mafiosi and oligarchs close to Putin through money laundering in his business investments?
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Smarmy Senator Ted Cruz, in his nauseatingly superior manner shocked no one when he attempted to mansplain to Sally Yates about the law.
It was delightful watching the accomplished, prepared and brilliant Yates hand him his hat.
Small wonder Cruz is so disliked in the Senate.
It was delightful watching the accomplished, prepared and brilliant Yates hand him his hat.
Small wonder Cruz is so disliked in the Senate.
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Amen! And a tip of the hat to Ms. Yates who could be our next Pres.
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If you find yourself continuing to defend Trump, even after all the evidence of his tight web with Russia continues to mount, then you have bartered your dedication to America and its principles in exchange for temporary political victory bought with Russian rubles and white supremacy hate.
Benedict Arnold would be proud to call you comrade.
Benedict Arnold would be proud to call you comrade.
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She warned, yet she persisted.
Go, Sally, go!
Go, Sally, go!
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The Republicans at the Yates hearing seemed to be going through the motions, and did not seem to care. The House of Reps voted for a health care bill some had not even read, it was not scored, and the true numbers of how many will be harmed remains unknown. Yet they voted for this bill.
I do not understand. I endlessly read the news, looking for some explanation on why Trump is the new Houdini, or why grown men are afraid of him, or why service to others has become passe. Is evil now obvious or embraced or tolerated? Did I not get the memo? The part that remains so hard for me to get is even if Trump stepped down, or was run out of town on a rail, isn't Pence President? Aren't the Republicans still in charge? Don't they still get everything they want? Why, oh why, are they acting like pet dogs around Trump. I am so disappointed.
I do not understand. I endlessly read the news, looking for some explanation on why Trump is the new Houdini, or why grown men are afraid of him, or why service to others has become passe. Is evil now obvious or embraced or tolerated? Did I not get the memo? The part that remains so hard for me to get is even if Trump stepped down, or was run out of town on a rail, isn't Pence President? Aren't the Republicans still in charge? Don't they still get everything they want? Why, oh why, are they acting like pet dogs around Trump. I am so disappointed.
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This is simple. Trump didn't fire Flynn right away because that would have admitted that he had made a bad decision by hiring him. Trump's strategy was to hope that the Flynn issue would go away so he could keep him, but when news got out, Trump had to finally fire Flynn.
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Sheer nonsense--President Trump got rid of Flynn. The Democrats are whining their way to extinction.
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Nonsense.
The koch owned gop is whining it's way to High Treason and hopefully another Civil War.
The koch owned gop is whining it's way to High Treason and hopefully another Civil War.
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Sally Yates is an American hero! She cut Stupid Cruz down to size with their imbecilic questions. The question isn't why Trump didn't fire Flynn after being warned, but who else in the White House is compromised by Russia? My money is on Trump!
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I can sum up General Flynn in few words: What A Crock !
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I'm looking forward to a Giuliani subpoena. That'll be a heck of a lot of fun! He blurted, bragged and blabbed one day to the press about his insider information regarding the Russian hacker story, and reversed his statements the next. The time is come, time to force that particular fruitbat to start talking.
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I fear we are going to see the same result with the boy who cried wolf occur during the Trump administration. However, instead of crying wolf when one isn't present and then ignoring him when one is, we're going to be tired of hearing the wolves cry because it means another round of obnoxious twitters from Trump, more investigations and revelations that only confirm how bad things are, and last of all, our resignation that things aren't going to change because the GOP controlled Congress has no reason to change them.
When their standing in the GOP depends upon genuflecting at the altar of the Supreme Trump they will not move to rein him in, call him out, or impeach him if the situation calls for it. They will sacrifice us instead.
When their standing in the GOP depends upon genuflecting at the altar of the Supreme Trump they will not move to rein him in, call him out, or impeach him if the situation calls for it. They will sacrifice us instead.
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For 18 days, a direct information conduit existed to share our nation's deepest, darkest, most sensitive secrets with the Russians via Michael Flynn. Then, finally, Trump was forced to fire Flynn, only because it became known. This is treason!
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There is an entire armory of smoking guns. We need to know what Putin has on Trump that keeps the so-called president of the United States in Russia's pocket. Our national security is at stake.
The treasonous Republicans (the same one's that lie shamelessly about health care) will conduct a cover-up, not an investigation. Where are Deep Throat, and Woodward/Bernstein? We need them now more than ever!
The treasonous Republicans (the same one's that lie shamelessly about health care) will conduct a cover-up, not an investigation. Where are Deep Throat, and Woodward/Bernstein? We need them now more than ever!
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Trump. Flynn, Manifort are all Russian black -mailed with either financial accounts and sex tapes or both. Flynn has just 3 options,; turns on Trump, goes to Leavenworth and dodges about a hundred military prisoners who hate officers, esp. generals, or take the 45 exiit .. Turn on Trumpis is best bet with all the immunity talk.
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Is anyone looking at Trump's witness tampering? While Ms. Yates was testifying under oath, Donald was blasting her credibility and all but accusing her of violating federal secrecy laws.
The president doesn't seem to understand Congress is independent of the executive, and Ms Yates is now, conveniently, a private citizen.
The president doesn't seem to understand Congress is independent of the executive, and Ms Yates is now, conveniently, a private citizen.
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Trump understands absolutely nothing about the law, about the Constitution, about what it means to be a President. He don't need no stinkin' badge. He is the Donald.
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Come on America, what does it take to call the fire department when your house is engulfed in flames and by the way, not my house but the White House.
It is high time we as citizens demand full hearings into all Trump's dealings with Russia. We need to uncover this administration's treasonous activities.
It is high time we as citizens demand full hearings into all Trump's dealings with Russia. We need to uncover this administration's treasonous activities.
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How ironic is it that Michal Flynn, who chanted "lock her up" because the FBI said Hillary Clinton mishandled classified documents, attended meetings during which the seriously compromised former general was privy to our most closely guarded national security secrets.
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Yep, there's even a psychological term for that behavior-- projection.
Why not lock HIM up? he has revealed and conspired more than HRC ever did.........
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Bull poopy old sport. Bull poopy
A warning from the obama regime regarding anyone, is viewed as a rousing endorsement for that person. That is how much most of America distrusts and despises anything obama. However, the folks in that glass office building on 8th Avenue in NYC are out of touch with America.
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"Most?"
Nonsense.
There are far more Americans in this country than ignorant rightists
Nonsense.
There are far more Americans in this country than ignorant rightists
C.mon! Obama DOES have a black skin. And he IS a Democrat! Do you expect the Republicans to like him or believe him????
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So long as the Republicans continue to endure Trump, despite their misgivings, the president will continue to lie and obfuscate as he has always done. Instead, they continue to hope against all hope that this flawed, ignorant and ethically impaired troglodyte will eventually choose the right path. For the Congress and many in it, it is simply self over country.
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News Media will spot Big Foot before they find "collusion" between DJT and Russia. RE: Flynn, DJT is loyal to those loyal to him. Much ado about nada.
I think we need to hear Flynn's side of the story.
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Why? You would expect truth?
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Not necessarily. But he might reveal more than we know about Trump and Pence.
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It sounds like the judgment of Trump and how he would act. He has demonstrated that he is NOT Presidential material. But we elected him to demonstrate his incompetence and he does that well. On the other hand, and I write this embarrassingly, since I am a retired military officer, Michael Flynn shames me and the entire officer corps - again like Trump, by incompetence. Plus the shame of all those who encouraged him up through the ranks to allow him to become a General Officer. Believe me, please, America, your Officer Corps is much more skilled and caring than has been demonstrated by Flynn and several other Generals in recent years......
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Seems like 18 days is pretty fast for government? You can hardly blame Trump for not taking accusations of "ties to Russia" seriously when he himself had been subject to similar unsubstantiated claims.
I think we have just begun to peel back the skin of this Russian onion.
We should start questioning whether the reason Trump kept Flynn in his position after the Yates meetings with White House officials, is because of his link to Russia. Maybe Trump is being blackmailed at this moment.
Like they always say, "FOLLOW THE MONEY" !
We should start questioning whether the reason Trump kept Flynn in his position after the Yates meetings with White House officials, is because of his link to Russia. Maybe Trump is being blackmailed at this moment.
Like they always say, "FOLLOW THE MONEY" !
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There seems to be a certain similarity from the commenters defending Flynn and Trump on this today. Why, it's almost like a coordinated line devised by some central office somewhere. Perhaps outside Vladivostok.
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Fine and dandy, but we still don't know what General Flynn did that crossed the line, that made him untrustworthy.We do know that he urged Obama to keep his word on SYRIA,which Obama was unwilling to do, and finally reneged on his pledge to order a strike on Assad's air force, which conceivably could have saved thousands of lives,besides restoring America's credibility, but precisely what was his cardinal sin, what evidence is there that he gave Russians anything that could have influenced election results or that could be interpreted as traitorous. This appears to be a false narrative. Yates's favorite response yesterday was " I can't say," which is the equivalent of taking the FIFTH. If Ms. Gates could not say, why did she bother to appear?
Do we presume Ms Yates has information that Mike Flynn lied to Mike Pence? She kept saying that, but it's not been established. We have only the vice president's statement that "this is the first I heard about it" despite his leadership of the transition team and Flynn's prominent role in the campaign and the transition.
Message to Congress: A new broom sweeps clean.
Message to Congress: A new broom sweeps clean.
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What a breath of fresh air. An adult highly intelligent emotionally controlled, powerful and graceful woman told the unvarnished truth, and she even said why she could not tell the truth about certain other things.
It was a brilliant and powerful demonstration of what truth can do in the face of liars. Made me proud and more certain than ever that these golf balls in the Republican Club House are finished.
It was a brilliant and powerful demonstration of what truth can do in the face of liars. Made me proud and more certain than ever that these golf balls in the Republican Club House are finished.
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Clearly a cover up of immense proportions is being perpetrated by trump himself and his henchmen. It's obvious that Putin won trump the election and expects pay back. It's also obvious that trump isn't forthcoming on what he knows and when he knew it. Most troubling is Priebus et al running interference with the FBI to thwart its investigation. And the recent ‘private’ telephone calls between trump and Putin are ominous as well. Treasonous malfeasance now looms as a real possibility.
If Hillary's administration had done the exact same thing, how many Conservatives would be saying, "So what?"
I might speculate that the number would approach infinity.
I might speculate that the number would approach infinity.
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Confederate trash trey gowdy and kentucky whiner rand paul (I miss unethical hack and trump toady devin nunes) would have already held fifteen hearings and assigned a special prosecutor.
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What was the White House Counsel doing? The Acting Attorney General advises him that the National Security Adviser lied to the VP about his interactions with a foreign power (not to mention a rival foreign power) and he says basically "so what?" Does he need charts? Lying about interactions with Russia within the Administration isn't a cause for concern? Good grief! If were the President, I'd be questioning the effectiveness of this guy.
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"Gen. Flynn is a wonderful man. I think he has been treated very, very unfairly by the media, as I call it, the fake media in many cases," Trump said. "And I think it is really a sad thing that he was treated so badly."
“Why does it matter to D.O.J. if one White House official lies to another White House official?” Mr. McGahn (White House Counsel) asked at a second meeting the next day, according to Ms. Yates.
Well.... I think this pretty much sums up the entire Trump administrations viewpoint on truth telling and morality in general.
Well.... I think this pretty much sums up the entire Trump administrations viewpoint on truth telling and morality in general.
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It was actually almost funny to see the operatives for the Robber Baron Party try to defend The Con Don. Is it at all possible they are seeing how socially deplorable they have allowed themselves to become? Thanks to the democrats on the committee for asking such important questions, getting such important information and presenting such searing evidence of wrongdoing by The Con Don and his buddies.
There is no need to wait. The Con Don needs to be impeached - or otherwise driven out of OUR White House right now. Sign below.
https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/2017/04/28/la-city-council-committee-v...
There is no need to wait. The Con Don needs to be impeached - or otherwise driven out of OUR White House right now. Sign below.
https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/2017/04/28/la-city-council-committee-v...
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Thanks to Ms. Yates for her stellar appearance and Thanks to Rachel Maddow of MSNBC for keeping the heat on this investigation during her nightly 6 pm EST show.
It's interesting to note that MSNBC had all male commenters after their coverage - Ms. Maddow was not included - and CNN had mostly female commenters. It's also interesting that the female anchor on PBS news, supported by the wealthiest "foundations"in America, has been trying to play this down. Even BBC news now has replaced their female reporters with a man. Must be "real" news now.
We need a Resistance Central Women's News Network that addresses the economic/political issues today full on with no fashion, parenting, gossip or "women are bad" content. It's 11 centuries past time.
It's interesting to note that MSNBC had all male commenters after their coverage - Ms. Maddow was not included - and CNN had mostly female commenters. It's also interesting that the female anchor on PBS news, supported by the wealthiest "foundations"in America, has been trying to play this down. Even BBC news now has replaced their female reporters with a man. Must be "real" news now.
We need a Resistance Central Women's News Network that addresses the economic/political issues today full on with no fashion, parenting, gossip or "women are bad" content. It's 11 centuries past time.
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Sally Yates. Elizabeth Warren. Hillary Clinton. Three strong, intelligent, capable. and attractive women. The men in expensive suits who steal in Washington. D.C. just can't take them.
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What you don't understand is that Trump has IMMUNITY. period.
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Let me add, that the more bad press attention he gets the more he wins.
Trump has immunity from most any mistakes, because of his lack of experience on the job. This requires confusion and mistakes He has immunity because Trump trumps everyone. The boss, Trump is always right.
I think it is going to take more convincing arguments to get to Trump.
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Let me add, that the more bad press attention he gets the more he wins.
Trump has immunity from most any mistakes, because of his lack of experience on the job. This requires confusion and mistakes He has immunity because Trump trumps everyone. The boss, Trump is always right.
I think it is going to take more convincing arguments to get to Trump.
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Humpty Trumpty was building his wall,
then Humpty Trupty started to fall.
His horn he was tootin' to Vladamir Putin,
But his Rooskie pal Flynn got him in trouble again.
Now all Spicy's lies and all of Trump's tweets,
Are making a mess for these scoundrels and cheats.
then Humpty Trupty started to fall.
His horn he was tootin' to Vladamir Putin,
But his Rooskie pal Flynn got him in trouble again.
Now all Spicy's lies and all of Trump's tweets,
Are making a mess for these scoundrels and cheats.
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Only children do not listen to sound advice. trump is a brat.
Whoever leaked the Yates report to the Washington Post should be given a patriotic medal.
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prolly someone in the White House. Donald is a bad boss.
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Both the House and the Senate committees must first invite, then, if necessary, subpoena, Donald F. McGahn II.
He can corroborate Ms. Yates' two meetings with him; he should be asked if he took the opportunity to look at the classified source materials, and if not, why not; and what and when he told the President.
He can corroborate Ms. Yates' two meetings with him; he should be asked if he took the opportunity to look at the classified source materials, and if not, why not; and what and when he told the President.
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Between executive privilege and lawyer-client privilege, he'll skate, no matter what. The way to Donald the Second is through Donald the First.
Sally Yates was fired very quickly for refusing to carry out an unconstitutional order from Trump. Judge after Judge ruled against Trump's travel ban.
The liar Flynn was NOT fired after Trump was told, what he most certainly already knew. That the Russians had Flynn by the sensitives.
Trump is most likely compromised also and in league with the Russians.
The only way to know is by an "Independent Council". But Trump thwarts this every step of the way. Thank goodness for real news and Papers like the WAPO & NYT. The "Real News" overcame Trump's "Fake News".
Trump's "Nothing to see here, Move along" lying, could not resist the Real News. Flynn was finally fired after 18 days. 18 more days to compromise our security and do serious damage. Flynn would still be there if not for the Washington Post.
The free press with real news are guardians of our freedom. Trump is as much a danger as Flynn.
We need an Independent Council to get to the truth of the Putin/Trump connection.
The smoke turned to Fire with Flynn, even though an obvious cover up was in play by Trump. Those flames now reveal blaring signs of Treason pointing directly to Trump. Without an Independent investigation, NOT controlled by Trump & his republicans, our nation will continue to be in grave danger.
The liar Flynn was NOT fired after Trump was told, what he most certainly already knew. That the Russians had Flynn by the sensitives.
Trump is most likely compromised also and in league with the Russians.
The only way to know is by an "Independent Council". But Trump thwarts this every step of the way. Thank goodness for real news and Papers like the WAPO & NYT. The "Real News" overcame Trump's "Fake News".
Trump's "Nothing to see here, Move along" lying, could not resist the Real News. Flynn was finally fired after 18 days. 18 more days to compromise our security and do serious damage. Flynn would still be there if not for the Washington Post.
The free press with real news are guardians of our freedom. Trump is as much a danger as Flynn.
We need an Independent Council to get to the truth of the Putin/Trump connection.
The smoke turned to Fire with Flynn, even though an obvious cover up was in play by Trump. Those flames now reveal blaring signs of Treason pointing directly to Trump. Without an Independent investigation, NOT controlled by Trump & his republicans, our nation will continue to be in grave danger.
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It merely took longer than predicted, but democracy has failed. Not that the US was a democracy any more than the Soviet Union was a pure Marxist society, but we aspired to be democratic and have fallen far short. The stupid people the founding fathers feared have won. Shame on us all for this failure.
The Trump people did not listen to Yates because of their mind set. First She was a woman. Second she was part of Obama's administration.
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Trump will do anything, lie, cheat, steal and stand by it. The entire WH staff and GOP is floundering in denial. When that ship sinks, Trump will blame Obama and retreat to More-lago for business dealings with China. Insane.
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Isn't it obvious: all the paths lead to the President. It's just like the old movie "Z".
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Can we drop the charade? Trump stuck by Flynn because of his ties to Russia. The Toddler Tyrant in Chief wanted the connections to the despot Putin. Why else would he have so many people in his cabinet and as advisors who are close to the Russians? The "President" wants to be America's Putin.
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For the fact that Flynn was kept in his position by Trump after was warned, and kept his security clearances should be grounds for immediate impeachment of a President who cares nothing for the safety of Americans.
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Flynn and Trump WERE calling to Lock Mrs. Clinton up.
They said e-mails were THE security risk, not his ties to Russia and his appointing the very worse people to staff the Good Ship America.
Which, under Trump/Putin will soon be the Titanic.
No worries for Trump and his regime though, They have life boats reserved with vodka and gold plated toilets. For us in steerage? Gee , I just heard a lock click shut on the gates blocking the stairway....Hey! What's that water coming in? Let us out! Open the gate !! we're getting soaked down here. The water will be over our heads soo.....
They said e-mails were THE security risk, not his ties to Russia and his appointing the very worse people to staff the Good Ship America.
Which, under Trump/Putin will soon be the Titanic.
No worries for Trump and his regime though, They have life boats reserved with vodka and gold plated toilets. For us in steerage? Gee , I just heard a lock click shut on the gates blocking the stairway....Hey! What's that water coming in? Let us out! Open the gate !! we're getting soaked down here. The water will be over our heads soo.....
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So many unanswered questions. Here's one: What did Pence know and when? Timeline doesn't add up: Flynn lied to Pence, who then went on tv and asserted he knew nothing about the entire situation until that point.
But: Obama warned Trump about Flynn and other Obama administration officials warned the transition about Flynn,. Pence headed the transition. How is it that Pence knew nothing?? Is the story about Flynn's lie itself a lie?
Here's a more fundamental question: how is it that These People are allowed to keep governing--making judicial appts., dropping bombs, threatening allies, enriching themselves, and more while this earthquake rumbles toward the surface? Would it take an act of congress to put them on hold? The whole thing stinks to high heaven and nothing is being done to minimize the damage while the investigation creaks along.
But: Obama warned Trump about Flynn and other Obama administration officials warned the transition about Flynn,. Pence headed the transition. How is it that Pence knew nothing?? Is the story about Flynn's lie itself a lie?
Here's a more fundamental question: how is it that These People are allowed to keep governing--making judicial appts., dropping bombs, threatening allies, enriching themselves, and more while this earthquake rumbles toward the surface? Would it take an act of congress to put them on hold? The whole thing stinks to high heaven and nothing is being done to minimize the damage while the investigation creaks along.
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It seems clear that the GOP is determined to make this matter of treason drop--simply by ignoring it and trying to change the subject with senseless bullying. They are playing with fire.
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Why should it matter to DoJ when one government official lies to another? (W. H. Counsel McGahn).
For starters, both government and markets are dependent on mutual trust between participants. Beyond that, governance is supposed to be grounded on reality, not upon lies and fantasies, much less deception. Would McGahn respond similarly if a cabinet officer or military leader lied to the President about matters of national economic or military security?
McGahn is perhaps unfamiliar with the public service ethic that Ms. Yates
embodies, as Richard Nixon found Archibald Cox's ethics essentially incomprehensible. If you're predisposed to oligarchic rule, certain concepts are probably strange. McGahn took the same oath of office that Yates did, and that officers in the military take. You have to wonder if he understood any part of it.
For starters, both government and markets are dependent on mutual trust between participants. Beyond that, governance is supposed to be grounded on reality, not upon lies and fantasies, much less deception. Would McGahn respond similarly if a cabinet officer or military leader lied to the President about matters of national economic or military security?
McGahn is perhaps unfamiliar with the public service ethic that Ms. Yates
embodies, as Richard Nixon found Archibald Cox's ethics essentially incomprehensible. If you're predisposed to oligarchic rule, certain concepts are probably strange. McGahn took the same oath of office that Yates did, and that officers in the military take. You have to wonder if he understood any part of it.
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There is a simple explanation why General Flynn wasn't fired immediately. President Trump never admits he made a mistake. The fact that Barrack Obama warned him about hiring Flynn as National Security Adviser made him even more stubborn. It took 18 days to turn Trump around.
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At the risk of being overly simplistic, I believe that Trump's "governing" is driven by one calculation; Obama likes? Then I hate it. Obama didn't like? Then I love it.
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It seems clear that Trump's Russian ties will be his undoing, eventually. If any other president, given the data Yates delivered, ignored that information, there would be instant congressional hearings. Had it been Hillary Clinton, they'd be calling for her head. Why is no one in the Congress saying we have a Manchurian Candidate sitting in the White House...or worse.
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Over four decades ago, I spent a summer riveted to the TV watching Watergate hearings. I cannot wait for daily drip-drip to turn into a torrent leading to another impeachment process.
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Trump regards relationships with Russia as the top priority for all his appointees, since Russia is the only thing which stands between him and a total collapse of his financial empire. Trump will never admit that he does anything wrong, so he will always stonewall when confronted with evidence of misconduct, with Flynn as with many other poor choices he's made. This is just more evidence of the need for a Special Prosecutor to investigate all of the unethical behavior and danger to our national security posed by having a President who is completely beholden to a hostile foreign power.
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What a shocking difference between the eminently qualified, smart and principled AG, Sally Yates, and the slow-witted, dishonorable toady Trump appointed. Did Trump have a transition committee that he ordered to find the least qualified candidates for every top level appointment? Why does Trump hate America?
Now that all of the country knows the story, what's next? Will Congress confront Donald Trump about those eighteen days or about why Flynn was appointed in the first place? Now that we've all heard that even if someone has security clearance, to work in the White House as National Security Adviser requires a much higher and "invasive" process (according to James Clapper) that apparently the Trump administration dispensed with, will Congress ask Donald Trump why he subjected the country to possible danger by appointing someone he didn't bother to vet? Someone he'd been repeatedly warned about, even before he was inaugurated? Will this man ever be held accountable for anything???
Thank you Sally Yates for exhibiting all that's best and brightest about what many of us used to believe defined the American people. And thank you, Al Franken and others, for not being afraid to bell the cat! Too bad so much of your tenacity fell on deaf ears as Republicans continued to turn any honest search for the truth into an obsessive rant about leaks. Perhaps those leaks were made illegally, but without them--and a free press trying to do the job that Congress won't--we the people (does anyone remember who that is other than at election time?) would be even more in the dark than we are. Which, of course, is where this administration wants to keep us. Doris Kearns Goodwin needs to write another book: No Ordinary Time, Part Two.
Thank you Sally Yates for exhibiting all that's best and brightest about what many of us used to believe defined the American people. And thank you, Al Franken and others, for not being afraid to bell the cat! Too bad so much of your tenacity fell on deaf ears as Republicans continued to turn any honest search for the truth into an obsessive rant about leaks. Perhaps those leaks were made illegally, but without them--and a free press trying to do the job that Congress won't--we the people (does anyone remember who that is other than at election time?) would be even more in the dark than we are. Which, of course, is where this administration wants to keep us. Doris Kearns Goodwin needs to write another book: No Ordinary Time, Part Two.
Time to move onto the Trump family series of conflicts of interest. The President is so busy and preoccupied protecting his kingdom all over the world that he can't possibly multi task and think about anyone or anything but himself.
Health care, education, and climate are pretty boring to the jet setting first family including all the in-laws who are protecting and expanding their turf. Conflicts of Interest and finances of this family cannot be overlooked.
Health care, education, and climate are pretty boring to the jet setting first family including all the in-laws who are protecting and expanding their turf. Conflicts of Interest and finances of this family cannot be overlooked.
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I no longer believe or trust in any of these actors. I wonder too, inside the Pentagon, who remains there that supported General Flynn and still support his views?
As for Mr. Trump and Mr. Spicer there is a great disconnect with reality as well as a failure to understand the meaning, necessity and honesty required of officials nominated or holding important positions of national intelligence and national security of the United States.
Mr. Trump also seems to value his own counsel to that of experienced people of great integrity. A trait that he himself greatly lacks.
As for Mr. Trump and Mr. Spicer there is a great disconnect with reality as well as a failure to understand the meaning, necessity and honesty required of officials nominated or holding important positions of national intelligence and national security of the United States.
Mr. Trump also seems to value his own counsel to that of experienced people of great integrity. A trait that he himself greatly lacks.
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She might have warned Trump but Trump didn't care or didn't listen, or both. Each day the news is bringing forth more reasons that Trump should not be in office. The inaction on the part of the GOP when compared to what they did during the Obama administration (obstruct, send out treasonous letters to a government we were negotiating with, shut down the government, ignore a perfectly good nominee for the Supreme Court) is breathtaking. I wonder how many moral Mount Everests they've had to climb to justify what they are allowing to happen in America to the people they claim to be serving.
Last of all, it's our sweat and hard work that is being wasted when we pay Trump and the other GOP members in Congress or the Cabinet, particularly when their conflicts of interest don't result in decisions on our behalf but on the behalf of their rich supporters.
Last of all, it's our sweat and hard work that is being wasted when we pay Trump and the other GOP members in Congress or the Cabinet, particularly when their conflicts of interest don't result in decisions on our behalf but on the behalf of their rich supporters.
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"Instead, Mr. Flynn remained in office for 18 more days."
If the question is why Trump did nothing for 18 days, did it not occur to anyone that Trump might have been trying to squeeze some cash out of Flynn?
If the question is why Trump did nothing for 18 days, did it not occur to anyone that Trump might have been trying to squeeze some cash out of Flynn?
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We owe a LOT of gratitude to the reporters, newspapers, and media for exposing this travesty concerning Flynn. Sally Yates was fired to quiet her, and for 18 days General Flynn was allowed to remain unquestioned on staff at the White House...UNTIL the facts were published regarding the apparent knowledge of the Trump administration to Flynn's activity...while they did NOTHING. The free press is our only hope to obtain truths regarding this administration's diversions, manipulations, and outright lies. This bunch got into power in a highly questionable way ...based on lies, distortions, and false accusations. If there is any hope of getting rid of them...for the good of the country, our freedom of the press ( which the Trump bunch criticizes ad nauseum ) and brave individuals unafraid to testify are our only prayer. There is little doubt that there is far more to unveil than what has already been .
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There is a misinterpretation of the 18 day interval needed to fire Flynn, in my opinion. I think Flynn was installed as NSA firstly to keep Trump honest about promises made to Putin. He was Vlad's man in DC so to speak. As for blackmail, I think it's Trump who was/is at risk of blackmail and Flynn was there as an enforcer. Flynn wanted positions as Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, or NSA. What clout did this contentious, controversial, individual have to request such positions? He must have had some leverage with Trump. It now appears Trump knew Flynn was making false statements while they were being made to Pence. What was soooo crucial about keeping Flynn around. What was Trump afraid would happen if he dismissed him? Trump is neck deep in this and he needs to be held accountable before before his power base grows large enough to squash democracy completely.
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flynns lunatic involvement in pizzagate marks him as a gullible nincompoop
i wouldnt hire a dope such as he to be a pizza delivery boy
let alone national security advisor
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of course it took 2 weeks to figure this out
don was busy golfing and eating maraloco chocolate cake
jared had secret real estate dealing w a shady chinese conglomerate
and ivanka was getting her nails done
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Why do Texans elect such utter bozos as Senator Cruz and Senator Cornyn?
Because they are REPUBLICANs, qualifications not needed.
Sally Yates cut them both down to size, a very small size. She sliced and diced them, with a smile on her face.
Because they are REPUBLICANs, qualifications not needed.
Sally Yates cut them both down to size, a very small size. She sliced and diced them, with a smile on her face.
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When do the Treason Hearings Start?
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here agan we witness the latest congregation of the most useless - sit on their duff - bunch of water churners imaginable...
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Slightly off topic, but, my stars, Ms Yates was IMPRESSIVE.
Smart, composed, knowledgeable, calm, competent.
Wow.
Smart, composed, knowledgeable, calm, competent.
Wow.
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Let's dismiss the ridiculous notion that Flynn discussed sanctions with the Russians without Trump's, or at least Bannon's (forgot about him, right?), imprimatur. Once you understand that, it's easy to understand why he wasn't fired until that contact became public.
Thank God for good people like Sally.
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Just imagine the if anyone from the Hillary Clinton transition team discussed lifting sanctions with the very government that helped get her elected. Impeachment proceedings would have begun already. Meanwhile, what did Trump know, when did he know it, and what did he condone? Why did Putin suddenly calm down in December? I do think Mr. Flynn has a bigger story to tell, I find it hard to believe that he acted with complete autonomy.
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Even if we're to think Pence was "lied to" by Flynn, he is a cheerleader and enabler of an administration which anyone can see is corrupt to the bone. This many months in, he's seen it all. And he is complicit.
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Please report facts. The honor of both firing Mr. Flynn and having his security clearance revoked belong exclusively to Trump. Mr. Flynn was not fired by Obama, he retired:
http://www.dia.mil/News/Articles/Article-View/Article/567011/lt-gen-flyn...
Which is why his security clearance remained untouched post-retirement.
In lieu of punitive actions that the Obama people were obligated and authorized to do, they chose instead to let Flynn cook well into to the upcoming Trump presidency. A master move aka virus that probably had even the Russians scratching heads. Then, just for cover, the Obama people let loose a whisper campaign: first Yates, then Obama himself, then TWP, culminating in yesterday's "revelation".
Too bad it's all easily seen-through and fast coming to naught. Too bad it can't be reversed by executive order, like other spanners planted by the outgoing administration. But, in the end, thanks to a Trump administration's rapidly-honed instincts, no real damage done.
Yes, Flynn was a fall guy, but he was Obama's fall guy, the target of whistle-blower retaliation of the worst kind, that too from an ex-administration mostly on the outside and few disgruntled inside.
Mr. Flynn may have controversial views worthy of exclusion, but not even remotely deserving of the trauma he's being forced to endure. The urgent order of the day is immunity to get Flynn's real story out. Then, assuming he doesn't sue, a hero's medal.
http://www.dia.mil/News/Articles/Article-View/Article/567011/lt-gen-flyn...
Which is why his security clearance remained untouched post-retirement.
In lieu of punitive actions that the Obama people were obligated and authorized to do, they chose instead to let Flynn cook well into to the upcoming Trump presidency. A master move aka virus that probably had even the Russians scratching heads. Then, just for cover, the Obama people let loose a whisper campaign: first Yates, then Obama himself, then TWP, culminating in yesterday's "revelation".
Too bad it's all easily seen-through and fast coming to naught. Too bad it can't be reversed by executive order, like other spanners planted by the outgoing administration. But, in the end, thanks to a Trump administration's rapidly-honed instincts, no real damage done.
Yes, Flynn was a fall guy, but he was Obama's fall guy, the target of whistle-blower retaliation of the worst kind, that too from an ex-administration mostly on the outside and few disgruntled inside.
Mr. Flynn may have controversial views worthy of exclusion, but not even remotely deserving of the trauma he's being forced to endure. The urgent order of the day is immunity to get Flynn's real story out. Then, assuming he doesn't sue, a hero's medal.
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A lovely bit of fantasy writing you've concocted, alas, fantasies never have any connection whatsoever to reality. "Whistle-blower"? I think you're whistling in the wind, my friend.
Just a bit of research on your part would reveal that Flynn was forced to step down at DIA. Of course, he was allowed to retire, that's how these things are handled at flag officer levels.
A little bit more research in your part would have revealed that Flynn resigned as the National Security Advisor. You'd be hard-pressed to find any credible news source reporting that Trump fired him.
Had you bothered to listen to the hearing yesterday, you'd know that there were serious concerns about Flynn's conduct, over and beyond the lies he was implicated in concerning his contacts with the Russian ambassador.
I suppose you'll tell us next that Obama ordered Flynn to collect payments from Russian and Turkish sources in an elaborate scheme to embarrass the Trump administration ?
Don't hold your breath waiting for the medal to be pinned to his chest. It's not going to happen.
Just a bit of research on your part would reveal that Flynn was forced to step down at DIA. Of course, he was allowed to retire, that's how these things are handled at flag officer levels.
A little bit more research in your part would have revealed that Flynn resigned as the National Security Advisor. You'd be hard-pressed to find any credible news source reporting that Trump fired him.
Had you bothered to listen to the hearing yesterday, you'd know that there were serious concerns about Flynn's conduct, over and beyond the lies he was implicated in concerning his contacts with the Russian ambassador.
I suppose you'll tell us next that Obama ordered Flynn to collect payments from Russian and Turkish sources in an elaborate scheme to embarrass the Trump administration ?
Don't hold your breath waiting for the medal to be pinned to his chest. It's not going to happen.
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So Trump shouldn't of did a 180 and fired him? For Flynn's "Views" haven't changed.
@MarkAntney
Yes, start to finish Flynn was set-up by the Obama people. All this blackmail stuff is pure drivel. You don't rise up the ranks for 33 years to lose it all in one swoop for doing something like chatting-up an Amby weeks before taking a job you've already bagged. Goodnight stories such as these make sense to Christopher, but actually belong on SNL.
Yes, start to finish Flynn was set-up by the Obama people. All this blackmail stuff is pure drivel. You don't rise up the ranks for 33 years to lose it all in one swoop for doing something like chatting-up an Amby weeks before taking a job you've already bagged. Goodnight stories such as these make sense to Christopher, but actually belong on SNL.
The Trump Mantra: "I don't care if he's a crook, he's a loyal crook"
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Doesn't surprise me!
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Trump has o adult ability to allow suggestions. DJT is is an intellectual blank.
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Scandals, investigations, abuses, nepotism...Yet Trump is still there. Why?
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TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, ARMANDO, consider which senators were asking real questions that had to do with the subject of the investigation: Trump, Flynn, the Russians. And which senators were those engaged in a massive avoidance & denial plan--- the ones who avoided any question that might possibly touch on those 3 topics and instead took up as much time as they could with obfuscating issues that ranged from implied to overt attacks on Pres. Obama, Sally Yates, Hillary Clinton? Having attached these 2 groups to the parties they come from, now do a quick count of how many of each brand there are in the Senate (or the House, for that matter). Does the sum total not tell you everything you need to know about why Trump is still there . . . and why the hearings in both chambers are going at a snail's pace?? If the R's felt they could dismiss the investigations, they would do so. Just like Trump fired Flynn ONLY because all the dirt about Flynn suddenly appeared (via a leak) in the Washington Postt, these hearings are continuing only because the news media IS keeping the investigation so very much front and center that the Rs don't dare deep six them. So cheer on the media for their commitment to the issue.... in the media lie our best hopes of ever getting to the truth of all this, which most of us feel will find a very complicit Donald J. Trump at the bottom of the pile.
Because the Repubs want to use him to get as much of their right-wing legislation through and court appointees nominated before his incompetent and possibly traitorous administration implodes.
So now we know the truth about Trump firing Sally Yates. Trump's stated reason for firing her was her refusal to support his Muslim Ban Law. But that now appears to be just a canard. I'd bet that Boris Tiny Hands didn't even know who Yates was until she went to the White House, met with Chief White House Counsel Donald McGahn, and spilled the beans about Michael Flynn lying about his activities with Russia. Ms. Yates was scheduled to meet with Boris Tiny Hands on January 30th to tell him face to face about Flynn's misdeeds and lying, but he fires her before that meeting took place. And we're told that she was fired because she refused to support the Muslim ban! Really? Really?
Now it's time for the Senator Graham's committee to question Chief Counsel Donald McGahn about his conversations with Boris Tiny Hands:
Senator Blumenthal: So Mr. McGahn, what did President Trump say when you told him that the acting Attorney General of the United States told you that Mr. Flynn lied to the FBI and to Vice President Pence about his interactions with Russia, and now Vice President Pence is telling the same lie to the American people, and subsequently this leaves Flynn in a position to potentially be blackmailed by the Russians?
Chief White House Counsel McGahn: Uh, well, um, uh, well, I really don't recall... I mean, well, um...
Now it's time for the Senator Graham's committee to question Chief Counsel Donald McGahn about his conversations with Boris Tiny Hands:
Senator Blumenthal: So Mr. McGahn, what did President Trump say when you told him that the acting Attorney General of the United States told you that Mr. Flynn lied to the FBI and to Vice President Pence about his interactions with Russia, and now Vice President Pence is telling the same lie to the American people, and subsequently this leaves Flynn in a position to potentially be blackmailed by the Russians?
Chief White House Counsel McGahn: Uh, well, um, uh, well, I really don't recall... I mean, well, um...
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Ha, yes, this president lacks judgment. I'm shocked, just shocked.
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Essentially, the Trumpliban regime, and their enablers in Congress, have adopted a strategy of "opposite Obama". Spicer yesterday nearly admitted as much and in those exact terms. Perhaps it's time for the former President to triple-dog-dare Trump to hang in there rather than quit.
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“Why does it matter to D.O.J. if one White House official lies to another White House official?” Mr. McGahn asked at a second meeting
It matters because transparency and honesty are important, Mr. McGahn. Since this seems to be new concept for you, you should also be fired.
It matters because transparency and honesty are important, Mr. McGahn. Since this seems to be new concept for you, you should also be fired.
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We the People, cannot become despondent and paralyzed with fear. It is slowly unravelling that the stench radiating from the Trump White House is overpowering. Other comments shared here are insightful and accurate. Based on Donald Trump, Steve Bannon and Michael Flynn's previous behavior during the campaign, no one paying attention should be surprised. In fact, the majority of Americans were and still aren't surprised... they voted for Hillary Clinton. And ANYONE concerned that Mr. Trump has been the victim of FALSE NEWS needs to read the article posted in the guardian on May 7th. The link is: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-bre...
Trump, Bannon, Mercer, Theil and their minions were engaged in the same manipulative maneuvers with Mr. Putin... in their efforts to control the 2017 Election Results. They betrayed the American People and it's likely that they are laughing all the way to the Banks. BUT As Painful as this situation is: KNOWING the TRUTH, will set us free. American's believe in HUMANITY & we don't tolerate blatant dishonesty. AND Not ALL Guru/Technologists lack moral conscience. BRING IT ON... We will be bruised but wiser & Democracy will win.
Trump, Bannon, Mercer, Theil and their minions were engaged in the same manipulative maneuvers with Mr. Putin... in their efforts to control the 2017 Election Results. They betrayed the American People and it's likely that they are laughing all the way to the Banks. BUT As Painful as this situation is: KNOWING the TRUTH, will set us free. American's believe in HUMANITY & we don't tolerate blatant dishonesty. AND Not ALL Guru/Technologists lack moral conscience. BRING IT ON... We will be bruised but wiser & Democracy will win.
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What you don't understand is that Trump has IMMUNITY. period.
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Trump has immunity from most any mistakes, because of his lack of experience on the job.It This requires confusion and mistakes He has immunity because Trump trumps everyone. The boss, Trump is always right.
I think it is going to take more convincing arguments to get to Trump.
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Trump has immunity from most any mistakes, because of his lack of experience on the job.It This requires confusion and mistakes He has immunity because Trump trumps everyone. The boss, Trump is always right.
I think it is going to take more convincing arguments to get to Trump.
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Sally: woman. Obama: Black man. Does anyone think the Donald or his cronies would actually listen???? Seriously. If so, I've got some real estate to sell you. Or maybe a visa.
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Wait. Isn't there someone(s) in the IRS or some government agency that HAS seen Trump's taxes and could speak to it? In fact, if it is an issue of a criminal investigation, would it be considered accessory if they DON'T reveal/publish this information if it is, in fact, damning evidence? I'm confused.
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I wonder the same thing. I know that the Senate & House committees COULD subpoena the taxes, but the Republican chairs have so far insisted that they are not necessary, etc. etc. And they probably have instructions not to budge on that position. What I wonder is whether the FBI has the authority, as it pursues its investigation, to subpoena those taxes directly from the IRS...? The taxes are key to seeing what Trump may owe the Russians in terms of $$$.... so the FBI should have a very real reason for needing to see them. Subpoenaing them from Trump may result in the same outcome that occurred when the House Intel committee sent a joint letter to White House asking for documents vis a vis Flynn. The white house just said "NO." Period. End of story unless the Committee decides to hold the White House in Contempt, which they could do, but which will probably never happen with the Rs in charge of the investigation. The chair--- who initially signed the letter asking for the documents re Flynn--has decided in the wake of the White House's blunt refusal that they probably wouldn't really yield much anyway.....
This has nothing to do with Trump's bad judgment - we already knew it was lousy. It has nothing to do with his or his administration's lack of integrity - we already knew he and they are a pack of liars.
It has everything to do with Trump and the Russians working togther to throw the election Trump's way. That's why the administration knew Flynn had discussed sanctions with the ambassador and did nothing. Trump was simply keeping his side of the bargain, his end of the quid pro quo - help him get elected, and the sanctions will go away. .
It has everything to do with Trump and the Russians working togther to throw the election Trump's way. That's why the administration knew Flynn had discussed sanctions with the ambassador and did nothing. Trump was simply keeping his side of the bargain, his end of the quid pro quo - help him get elected, and the sanctions will go away. .
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Trump became president 1/24. He fired Flynn 2/13. What's the big deal here? Did Flynn give away the secrets of the Abomb? He talked about sanctions with a Russian ambassador and then got canned. Not an earth shattering moment.
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The big deal is that Flynn was compromised, and the POTUS continued to let him sit in on meetings of the highest security level.
But, this seems to be a concern only to liberals, not Real Americans.
But, this seems to be a concern only to liberals, not Real Americans.
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Earth shattering -- almost , when you realize that what Flynn apparently said about the sanctions was something much more like telling the Russians not to worry about the new sanctions that Obama had just imposed in punishment for the Russians' violation of our election, and not to worry about even the ones already in place because all those petty little inconveniences would be gone, baby, gone within days of when Trump took charge. This was going on before Trump was even inaugurated. And why, one might ask, were Flynn & Trump so eager to help out the Ruskys by getting rid of the sanctions imposed on them for interfering with our election? Smart money would be on the likelihood that the election interference was what Flynn & Trump et al wanted the Russians to do and part of the payment would be the lifting of sanctions. Then Obama went and imposed more, over the election, so Flynn felt he needed to reassure the Russians that this was just a blip on the screen--- nothing to fret about , because all such sanctions would soon no longer be a problem for Vladimir & the boys.
Maybe it's as you suggest, Jim and maybe it's not. We may never know. That is why it is important to vet and hire people with integrity and why it's important for those on a presidential transition team to be professional. By the way, Jim, how long do you think it takes for a government secret to be passed to a foreign ambassador (spy)? A lot less than 18 days I'll wager.
Every day of this administration proves just how crucial the First Amendment is to a free society. Flynn never would have been fired but for the report by the Washington Post.
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As the old Italians say, the fish rots from the head down.
Make no mistake about it. The reason why Trump hired Flynn was because of his ties to Russia. Russia OWNS Trump and his organization. Russian banks seeking to launder money stolen from the Russian people are the only ones who would finance his operations. Certainly no Western bank would, not after four (or is it six?) corporate bankruptcies and a penny stock scam that should have landed Trump in jail back in the 90's. It's why Trump refuses to release his tax returns.
My great hope now is that Flynn rats out Trump and drags him and the entire wretched waste dump that is his administration down into the abyss. Justice for treason deserves nothing less.
Make no mistake about it. The reason why Trump hired Flynn was because of his ties to Russia. Russia OWNS Trump and his organization. Russian banks seeking to launder money stolen from the Russian people are the only ones who would finance his operations. Certainly no Western bank would, not after four (or is it six?) corporate bankruptcies and a penny stock scam that should have landed Trump in jail back in the 90's. It's why Trump refuses to release his tax returns.
My great hope now is that Flynn rats out Trump and drags him and the entire wretched waste dump that is his administration down into the abyss. Justice for treason deserves nothing less.
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There is something delicious about James Clapper, who not so long ago lied to Congress about the extent of our government's spying on Americans, testifying before Congress about the perils of lying in the days of the Soviet Union.
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What is GOP waiting for to send Trump & his families into Jail?
Or may be they all want to go to jail together ?
CAT ALWAYS COMES OUT OF BAG, it may take some time but it always happens.
Or may be they all want to go to jail together ?
CAT ALWAYS COMES OUT OF BAG, it may take some time but it always happens.
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Would you like to know what is really going on here? DEMAND that this pathetic excuse of an American RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS. All questions will be answered.
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This is just more classic Donald Trump- "Its not my fault, its X,Y,Zs fault". Shift blame like the toddler he is. Even after all the despicable things he's said about him Obama still had the grace to warn Trump about Flynn and he failed to heed. What if next time Trump gets a warning about an imminent (God forbid) 9/11 scale type attack and he won't listen? That's my biggest worry.
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The question we must ask ourselves is, was Trump & his staff aware of Flynn’s contact with the Russians, before they were warned by Yates, & anyone with half a brain should respond yes.Trump as much, admitted it when he publicly said he wished the Russians could uncover the 3,000 emails that were missing.He wasn’t joking when he said that, it was the same mentality, when he boasted that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave & his support would never waver.He was correct, they have never wavered & are solidly in his corner.Why else was he so chummy with the tyrant Putin. He was even considering leaving NATO to payoff Putin for his help.
His collusion with Putin is traitorous & he should be impeached.
His collusion with Putin is traitorous & he should be impeached.
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So why isn't anyone asking who in the Trump administration knew of Sally Yates' visit to the general council regarding Mike Flynn. And out of concern for national security leaked the information to the Washington Post
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I understand Yates point about Flynn, and I think it was the right thing to fire him. Not because he spoke to the Russian ambassador about the sanctions, but because he may well have lied about doing so. What I don't understand is this: why wasn't it a concern that Podesta had strong ties to a Russian bank? Why wasn't it a concern that Russia donated millions to the Clinton Foundation, and were sold a huge amount of uranium under SoS Hillary Clinton? Why wasn't it a concern when Obama was caught on tape telling the Russian ambassador to tell Putin that when he (Obama) got re-elected he'd have more leverage? Why is "Russia" such a huge concern now, when it didn't seem to be when the Dems were in the WH, or if they had won this election? Does anyone believe that had Hillary won, and intelligence agencies knew Russia interfered with the election, that it would have mattered or become such a huge scandal as it is now?
btw, Obama endorsing Macron, is that not considered "meddling" with another countries election?
btw, Obama endorsing Macron, is that not considered "meddling" with another countries election?
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Given that republicans have their chance now to investigate both Clinton and Obama unfettered, I have to assume that either this is fake political rhetoric or this is not against the law or out of the norm. On the other hand Flynn's actions as an ex-military officer with the highest level of clearance is. Sometimes the devil really is in the details. Flynn certainly understood enough to lie about it. That is what we know.
So, Yates is fired immediately because she refused to carry out an EO which she felt was not constitutional, but Flynn doesn't get fired for his traitorous and criminal acts against our country for 18 days and only because it hit the press, not because she warned them of his actions. And then Sen. Cruz gets schooled by Yates in his pathetic attempt to change the narrative and the law. Yates is what America should be proud of and support, not this circus of clowns in the WH and GOP.
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How interesting.
Not even a year ago, Republicans constantly shrieked that Obama wasn't tough enough on Russia.
Today, on the Flynn saga, many Republican commenters here shriek, "So what?!" and then trot out the meme about the short length of time Flynn was actually on the payroll; must be a Fox talking point.
As if that weren't hypocritical enough, we are supposed to believe that Republicans would adopt the same defense for Obama or H. Clinton had the same thing occurred under either one of them.
LOL...right....
Not even a year ago, Republicans constantly shrieked that Obama wasn't tough enough on Russia.
Today, on the Flynn saga, many Republican commenters here shriek, "So what?!" and then trot out the meme about the short length of time Flynn was actually on the payroll; must be a Fox talking point.
As if that weren't hypocritical enough, we are supposed to believe that Republicans would adopt the same defense for Obama or H. Clinton had the same thing occurred under either one of them.
LOL...right....
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America, what have you done to yourself ? You have elected , sort of, due to gerrymandering & the Electoral College, a bunch of conmen & in the case of Trump a mentally sick person based on his characteristics as spelled out in DSM 5.
When will you fix this disaster ? Please do not tell me 2-4 years.
When will you fix this disaster ? Please do not tell me 2-4 years.
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What nobody will say publicaly. Flynn went off the deep end and was fired. He continued to be a nut job for Trump. Trump didn't fire him because Trump is a similar kind of nut job. Get rid of the whole basket of deplorables.
Best part was the dismantling of that smarmy, condescending, creep Ted Cruz. He was so sure he was the smartest one in the room that we never saw Sally crush him until it was too late and all he could do was snivel something about suspecting "partisanship." What an ass!
Best part was the dismantling of that smarmy, condescending, creep Ted Cruz. He was so sure he was the smartest one in the room that we never saw Sally crush him until it was too late and all he could do was snivel something about suspecting "partisanship." What an ass!
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Actually, Yates never spoke to Trump. Maybe you should correct your headlines to Yates warned Trump officials about Flynn and it would make you a little less partisan. But, I wouldn't expect that from the NYT.
And Obama never PERSONALLY renewed the security clearance for Flynn. So there! Partisanship everywhere!
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Obviously, it's all Obama's fault.
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According to Obama it was Bush's
I enjoy how the Party of Personal Responsibility tries to blame the Flynn debacle on...President Obama.
Flynn is just a pawn in the much larger chess game. Queen Yates took out a bishop (Cruz) and a rook (Cornyn) in yesterday's episode. More of the dark king's team will fall before long, especially if he keeps up his pointless tweeting, wasting precious moves. It may take a little time, but checkmate is coming.
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I love this: ' "Why does it matter to D.O.J. if one WH official lies to another WH official?" Mr. McGahn asked at a second meeting the next day.' Now who do you suppose may have suggested this follow up question in the interim between the two meetings?
Lieing is Trump's stock-in-trade. Can you not easily imagine him asking that question of McGahn in the most sincerely and genuinely curious manner? What do mean I can't lie?
Tick-tock Donald, tick -tock.
Lieing is Trump's stock-in-trade. Can you not easily imagine him asking that question of McGahn in the most sincerely and genuinely curious manner? What do mean I can't lie?
Tick-tock Donald, tick -tock.
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Michael Flynn and a few others, reportedly had contacts with the Russians. They were all part of the then Trump Campaign Team. What we are seeing is Flynn's communication with the Russian Ambassador. What we are not seeing here is Flynn's visit to Moscow. What was the purpose of that visit? There is a photograph, which NYT can reproduce, with Flynn seated at the same table, alongside with Russia's Putin. Did Flynn have a direct talk with Putin, and what was the subject discussed? Did he already discuss 'Sanctions'?
Whether it is Flynn or his other Campaign team members, their communication with the Russians, had some form of motivation from someone in the Trump Campaign. In doing so, not to know or even understand that Russia is an adversary, is simply dumb. And, very intriguing.
The question that remains unanswered is whether Flynn was acting on his own volition. Or, was he directed by anyone or encouraged to talk to the Russian Ambassador?
This is all not only it is confusing, but, puzzling. Like watching a Spy Movie, gone bizarre.
What is the real truth, and when will we all know the real truth?
Whether it is Flynn or his other Campaign team members, their communication with the Russians, had some form of motivation from someone in the Trump Campaign. In doing so, not to know or even understand that Russia is an adversary, is simply dumb. And, very intriguing.
The question that remains unanswered is whether Flynn was acting on his own volition. Or, was he directed by anyone or encouraged to talk to the Russian Ambassador?
This is all not only it is confusing, but, puzzling. Like watching a Spy Movie, gone bizarre.
What is the real truth, and when will we all know the real truth?
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This story is disturbing not because of what it reports but because of the facts it leaves out. There is no mention of the questions that queried each 'do you have any knowledge who unmasked Trump or his team's names and leaked these along with recorded national security info to others such as the Washington Post'.
There was not so much as a breath or whisper of this by the Times reporter. It might have ruined the hoped for Sainthood affect if it was reported both Clapper but more so Yates side stepped this direct question like a mud puddle in a rain storm.
Also of note this 'report' stated that the idea that Trump's temporary ban from certain terrorist countries was a ban against Muslims to which certain courts have agreed ... did not also state that the ninth circuit court of appeals is a liberal leaning court and is over turned by the supreme court around eighty percent of the time when contested to the highest court in the land.
As for waiting almost three weeks to fire Flynn for not telling Pence he spoke with the Russian ambassador so what. As soon as Yates notified the Trump administration of his misstatements he could not have been blackmailed by the Russians because Trump already knew the facts as presented by Yates. Obviously Trump wanted his military expertise but could not keep him. Flynn had not been honest.
There was not so much as a breath or whisper of this by the Times reporter. It might have ruined the hoped for Sainthood affect if it was reported both Clapper but more so Yates side stepped this direct question like a mud puddle in a rain storm.
Also of note this 'report' stated that the idea that Trump's temporary ban from certain terrorist countries was a ban against Muslims to which certain courts have agreed ... did not also state that the ninth circuit court of appeals is a liberal leaning court and is over turned by the supreme court around eighty percent of the time when contested to the highest court in the land.
As for waiting almost three weeks to fire Flynn for not telling Pence he spoke with the Russian ambassador so what. As soon as Yates notified the Trump administration of his misstatements he could not have been blackmailed by the Russians because Trump already knew the facts as presented by Yates. Obviously Trump wanted his military expertise but could not keep him. Flynn had not been honest.
Clearly the guilty must be punished.
Flynn lied. 10 years hard labor.
Unmasking perps. 25 years hard labor
Leaking classified materials perps. Life
Or visa versa
Flynn lied. 10 years hard labor.
Unmasking perps. 25 years hard labor
Leaking classified materials perps. Life
Or visa versa
Clearly, Flynn is the tip of the iceberg.
Sadly, Republicans barely want to see the tip
Sadly, Republicans barely want to see the tip
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Not so. In fact it was asked:
Who leaked classified information
and
Who unmasked Flynn
Both felonies
Who leaked classified information
and
Who unmasked Flynn
Both felonies
Someone correct me if I am wrong. However, I find it interesting that in all of these hearing of deflections by republicans, I have seen no republican women joining in to waste time on Clinton emails or pumping up Trump's false wiretapping claims. (And it is my opinion that republicans are only there to subtract from the total time the democratic congresspersons have to speak.) On the other hand democratic congresswomen have appeared and questioned the interviewee each time. Either our republican congressmen decided not to include republican congress women or theses women were not willing to put up a farce to defend Donald Trump. Either way this speaks volumes to me. Perhaps someone has some incite on this...
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Who or what country can trust Donald Trump? After all the hearings, that is going to be what is left.
Let let's be clear - trump did this because he already knew everything about Flynn. He is in the pay of the Russians and as such is betraying this country to an enemy. He must be removed.
And why did Trump ignore the warnings? Why did he have so many paid Russian operatives running his campaign? So many questions...and so few answers. Hope the FBI can do it's investigation in a nonpartisan fashion this time around, but I have my doubts.
Sally Yates displayed a conscientiousness and professionalism that appears to be sorely lacking in this Administration by Twit. The country can ill afford to lose the talents of such American Patriots in our Government "of the People, by the People and For the People. Note Corporations ( a legal person and taxable entity) are mentioned no where in our Constitution. So much for originalism....
Espionage and computer hacking is a two way street, even friends spy on each other and don't Russians collude with Americans?
Isn't it better to expand economic activity with nations like Russia at the risk of collusion, a natural byproduct, for the simple reason that dropping bombs on customers is bad for business.
The Trump Administration is a disaster for many other reason.
The media should focus on them.
Isn't it better to expand economic activity with nations like Russia at the risk of collusion, a natural byproduct, for the simple reason that dropping bombs on customers is bad for business.
The Trump Administration is a disaster for many other reason.
The media should focus on them.
Is it me, or does it seem like everyone is anxiously trying to lay this lone wolf, loose cannon label on Mr. Flynn? I want to know the full extent of Trump's and all of his lieutenants connections to Russia, and the 2016 POTUS election interference!
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I would have gone with bad apple.
If everybody in this administration is muddy, it's hard to recognize the Tar.
Mud won't burn. But once the tar is alight, there's gonna be a huge bonfire "of the vanities."
Mud won't burn. But once the tar is alight, there's gonna be a huge bonfire "of the vanities."
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Add another item to justify impeachment.
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how many will it take before someone acts ?
50 ?
100 ?
1, 000 ?
or never ?
Please report facts. The honor of both firing Mr. Flynn and having his security clearance revoked belong exclusively to Trump. Mr. Flynn was not fired by Obama, he retired:
http://www.dia.mil/News/Articles/Article-View/Article/567011/lt-gen-flyn...
Which is why his security clearance remained untouched post-retirement.
In lieu of punitive actions that the Obama people were obligated and authorized to do, they chose instead to let Flynn cook well into to the upcoming Trump presidency. A master move aka virus that probably had even the Russians scratching heads. Then, just for cover, the Obama people let loose a whisper campaign: first Yates, then Obama himself, then TWP, culminating in yesterday's "revelation".
Too bad it's all easily seen-through and fast coming to naught. Too bad it can't be reversed by executive order, like other spanners planted by the outgoing administration. But, in the end, thanks to a Trump administration's rapidly-honed instincts, no real damage done.
Yes, Flynn was a fall guy, but he was Obama's fall guy, the target of whistle-blower retaliation of the worst kind, that too from an ex-administration mostly on the outside and few disgruntled inside.
Mr. Flynn may have controversial views worthy of exclusion, but not even remotely deserving of the trauma he's being forced to endure. The urgent order of the day is immunity to get Flynn's real story out. Then, assuming he doesn't sue, a hero's medal.
http://www.dia.mil/News/Articles/Article-View/Article/567011/lt-gen-flyn...
Which is why his security clearance remained untouched post-retirement.
In lieu of punitive actions that the Obama people were obligated and authorized to do, they chose instead to let Flynn cook well into to the upcoming Trump presidency. A master move aka virus that probably had even the Russians scratching heads. Then, just for cover, the Obama people let loose a whisper campaign: first Yates, then Obama himself, then TWP, culminating in yesterday's "revelation".
Too bad it's all easily seen-through and fast coming to naught. Too bad it can't be reversed by executive order, like other spanners planted by the outgoing administration. But, in the end, thanks to a Trump administration's rapidly-honed instincts, no real damage done.
Yes, Flynn was a fall guy, but he was Obama's fall guy, the target of whistle-blower retaliation of the worst kind, that too from an ex-administration mostly on the outside and few disgruntled inside.
Mr. Flynn may have controversial views worthy of exclusion, but not even remotely deserving of the trauma he's being forced to endure. The urgent order of the day is immunity to get Flynn's real story out. Then, assuming he doesn't sue, a hero's medal.
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Here is what we discovered via Yates and Clapper:
Trump administration waited 18 days to fire Flynn = no crime
Someone leaked classified info to WAPO= Crime as it's a felony
Clapper stated there is not one shred of evidence on Trump campaign colluding with Russians
Dem senators making fools of themselves using the words possible and potentially over and over
Trump administration waited 18 days to fire Flynn = no crime
Someone leaked classified info to WAPO= Crime as it's a felony
Clapper stated there is not one shred of evidence on Trump campaign colluding with Russians
Dem senators making fools of themselves using the words possible and potentially over and over
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"Mr. Flynn may have controversial views worthy of exclusion, but not even remotely deserving of the trauma he's being forced to endure." - TMK
Somewhere there's a small violin playing... Flynn deserved what he got and much more. It wasn't only his "controversial views" that got him in the hot seat, it was his DISHONESTY.
Somewhere there's a small violin playing... Flynn deserved what he got and much more. It wasn't only his "controversial views" that got him in the hot seat, it was his DISHONESTY.
Flynn is a traitor in the pocket of a Russian Despot hired by our own American despot because our little despot wannabe, Trump, wanted close ties to the murderer Putin he so lovingly admires.
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This is ludicrous. Flynn was vetted by Obama and his administration. If they had definite proof that he was colluding with the Russians they should have told Trump of the evidence in no uncertain terms. Meanwhile both Clapper and Yates testified yesterday that they have absolutely no confimed evidence that Flynn ever had a quid pro quo agreement with the Russians, or that solid information or state secrets were exchanged by Flynn and the Russians. This is a witch hunt, pure and simple, orchestrated by the Democrat party to diminish the Trump presidency. When you can't win an election honestly, throw as much mud in the hopes that some of it will stick. It's how the Democrats roll, and its why the American people did not elect Hillary Clinton.
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Perhaps the 18 minute gap of silence with nixon grew to an 18 day gap of silence because everything with trump has to be bigger and better than any thing anyone else has done and one must admit that this 18 day silence would be hard to beat.
The important question is whether Flynn acted alone or worked under the direction of someone else while serving as an advisor during the election and his short tenure thereafter at the white house.
Many Americans are waking up to the revelation: "We Aren't Exceptionally- Exceptional".
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It seems clear that Sally Yates was NOT fired because she refused to defend the Muslim travel ban. She was fired because she told the White House facts that they had thought they could keep secret.
Michael Flynn was NOT fired because he lied to the Vice President. How could he be? Mr. Pence was notified of Mr. Flynn's Russia ties in a letter from Elijah Cummings of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform dated November 18, 2016. Either Mr. Pence or a member of his staff did not read the letter OR they ignored its contents because Mr. Trump didn't care; he needed Mr. Flynn to spoon feed him intelligence and tuck him in at night.
This White House has been caught in the web it created by its persistent lying and blame-shifting. Yes, Mr. Flynn's basic security clearance had been renewed but the level of clearance required for the position of National Security Adviser is much more extensive.
All of this points to the fact that we need a fully-staffed joint committee of Congress or an independent commission to get to truth about the Trump Russia connections.
Michael Flynn was NOT fired because he lied to the Vice President. How could he be? Mr. Pence was notified of Mr. Flynn's Russia ties in a letter from Elijah Cummings of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform dated November 18, 2016. Either Mr. Pence or a member of his staff did not read the letter OR they ignored its contents because Mr. Trump didn't care; he needed Mr. Flynn to spoon feed him intelligence and tuck him in at night.
This White House has been caught in the web it created by its persistent lying and blame-shifting. Yes, Mr. Flynn's basic security clearance had been renewed but the level of clearance required for the position of National Security Adviser is much more extensive.
All of this points to the fact that we need a fully-staffed joint committee of Congress or an independent commission to get to truth about the Trump Russia connections.
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Republicans appear to be circling their wagons of protection around their highly duplicitous, painfully inept and corrupt savior, Donald Trump, while trying to shoot arrows into the credibility of messengers like Yates. These Russian hearings are turning into political theater that is anything but fruitful. Oh my god, the Russians have just breached the very foundation of our democracy, the Presidential election, resulting in the least qualified and most corrupt President in US history winning the White House. There is no historical precedent to this foreign crime against the United States, especially as it pertains to the world's most powerful position, the US Presidency. Trump's flagrant dismissal of warnings about Flynn alone should be impeachment-worthy If this were the actions of a President Hillary Clinton, Congressional Republicans would have had blood lust in the eyes.
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This will go on and on until we are all dizzy and just want it to go away. The FBI knows that Flynn discussed sanctions with the Soviet Union. I imagine Flynn was acting under orders. Where is Flynn? Will he take the fall for Trump or will he tell the truth? It's distressingly clear that Trump, his family and his staff, are comfortable with lying, even when they get caught. Then there's a flurry of more lies. The electorate should be insulted by the WH's assumption that we are stupid and gullible. The problem is, some of us are. I "get" that people voted for Trump in part because they wanted someone different. But there is no excuse for continuing to support someone who lies and blatantly favors the rich in every move he makes.
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As we continue to see Trump makes poor decisions and tries to spin the consequences. A true narcissist is running and ruining our country.
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The question isn't why didn't Trump fire him sooner but why didn't he at least put him on ice? Letting him in on high-level sensitive discussions and including him in a phone call with Putin -- plus his firing Flynn only after the issue became public -- should prompt Congress to investigate Trump. One has to ask...If Yates hadn't been left in place to serve as acting AG, would we even know about Flynn's illegal acts? Would he still be on the payroll?
So let's see. You tell Trump something he doesn't want to hear, he ignores it. Got it. He should be a barrel of laughs when an unpleasant crisis presents itself.
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No need to debate why Trump stuck with Flynn. Answer is....um, Obama! Same response all these republicans have to things they think are wrong.
Seriously, this action and all the actions by the Trump administration have one thing in common; the intent to completely wipe out anything accomplished by the Obama administration. Why? Well, certainly not because Trump has a different point of view, but rather because he is a vengeful narcissist who can't get past how Obama humiliated him at the Press dinner a few years ago when it because apparent that Trump was full of crap around Obama's birth certificate.
And you fools that try to draw false equivalence with Clinton or anyone else need to bear in mind that unlike Flynn, the Clinton foundation donations were public knowledge. The issue still is that the Trump connection with Russia is still a potential issue and needs to be resolved. Why not just deal with it, Donald? Answer, because there's a smoking gun there and his lies about Russian funding of projects will come to light and we'll know exactly how much he and his family owe the Russkies.
Seriously, this action and all the actions by the Trump administration have one thing in common; the intent to completely wipe out anything accomplished by the Obama administration. Why? Well, certainly not because Trump has a different point of view, but rather because he is a vengeful narcissist who can't get past how Obama humiliated him at the Press dinner a few years ago when it because apparent that Trump was full of crap around Obama's birth certificate.
And you fools that try to draw false equivalence with Clinton or anyone else need to bear in mind that unlike Flynn, the Clinton foundation donations were public knowledge. The issue still is that the Trump connection with Russia is still a potential issue and needs to be resolved. Why not just deal with it, Donald? Answer, because there's a smoking gun there and his lies about Russian funding of projects will come to light and we'll know exactly how much he and his family owe the Russkies.
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I wonder if Flynn will pull an Ollie North and show up to testify in his uniform, followed by a job with the skirt-chasers at Fox News?
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If this was a Hillary Clinton's administration, she would have been impeached within the first 100 days in office. For sure!
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Trump, a reckless, loud, incompetent egomaniac. Perfect personality ingredients for the presidential disaster that already afflicts our USA.
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The GOP has broadcasted loud and clear that it doesn't care about ethics, national security, the Constitution, the integrity of our national processes, or even basic morality. If any ONE of the now-hundreds of known facts about the Trump administration were true of a Hillary Clinton administration, they'd already be impeaching her. We have to replace every single Republican - even the so-called moderates always cave and comply - and institute strict new ethics LAWS (not norms) - if we want to be anything but a failed state in the future. And in the future, I never, never again want to hear any Republican currently holding office criticize any political opponent on grounds of ethics or national security. They don't care about those things unless they can use them as weapons.
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It is reasonable to assume that but for the Washington Post story, Michael Flynn would still be the National Security Adviser.
If the White House counsel did not pass on to the president the information of this grave nature, immediately after receiving it from the acting attorney general, he is guilty, too. Why didn't the president fire him, too?
A logical explanation is that the president received the information in a timely fashion and chose to ignore it until the Post story raised a hue and cry around the country, and he was left with no choice but to act, reluctantly, though.
That he kept praising Flynn even after firing him raises another question: Was the president afraid of antagonizing Gen. Flynn because the latter knew a lot about the president's own Russia connections?
If the White House counsel did not pass on to the president the information of this grave nature, immediately after receiving it from the acting attorney general, he is guilty, too. Why didn't the president fire him, too?
A logical explanation is that the president received the information in a timely fashion and chose to ignore it until the Post story raised a hue and cry around the country, and he was left with no choice but to act, reluctantly, though.
That he kept praising Flynn even after firing him raises another question: Was the president afraid of antagonizing Gen. Flynn because the latter knew a lot about the president's own Russia connections?
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This is why this corrupt administration must be investigated.
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General Flynn , " Just Following lawful orders."
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Once again, the whistle blower gets canned while the problem festers in the program. It would appear that fawning all over the Trump equals continued employment.
However that is not what this hearing was all about. It was looking for a scapegoat for Republican self-inflicted problems.
However that is not what this hearing was all about. It was looking for a scapegoat for Republican self-inflicted problems.
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When is McGahn coming to testify? Both Trump and Pence said they knew nothing of the Flynn situation until the WP broke the story. Is he going to testify that after Yates provided this info that he kept it to himself????
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Wouldn't this go easier on them and evaporate faster if they just said "i screwed up."
It worked for Bubba, why not for Trump?
It worked for Bubba, why not for Trump?
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So you're calling for a Special Prosecutor and excess of 70mil being appropriated (to investigate) in advance.
Don the Con is either incompetent, a criminal and/or a traitor.
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You forgot the option, All of the Above.
I don't really believe that Flynn lied to Pence.
Makes more sense that Flynn told Pence the truth, and then Pence lied to public.
But then when it came out, story has to change.
Why would Flynn lie? There is no reason. The whole group of them were in cahoots with the Russians.
Why would Pence lie? Because to tell the truth would indicate a breaking of law by the President and advisors, and would also be clear that they were working with the Russians.
Makes more sense that Flynn told Pence the truth, and then Pence lied to public.
But then when it came out, story has to change.
Why would Flynn lie? There is no reason. The whole group of them were in cahoots with the Russians.
Why would Pence lie? Because to tell the truth would indicate a breaking of law by the President and advisors, and would also be clear that they were working with the Russians.
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Unfortunately, I'm not sure anything will result from these illuminations of the incompetence we already saw coming. Until the next election, the best we can do is resist and criticize the stupid decisions so that only sensible decisions remain. You can't fix stupid, you can only replace it.
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"Until the next election, the best we can do is resist and criticize the stupid decisions so that only sensible decisions remain"
Unfortunately the Trump-GOP decisions will become law. The USA can not afford to wait 2-4 years. Obamacare is on the edge of being pulled in order for an $880 billion tax cut for the 2% to be passed. The EPA budget , the Dept of Ed budget , Planned Parenthood budget , NIH budget , etc are all being cut to pass a tax cut for the 2%. Plus changes to favor the Wall St crooks & Trump himself with real estate & inheritance taxes and the Trickle Down theory is being enacted which hs been shown to benefit only the wealthy (i.e. Trickle UP actually happens).
Trump is a mentally sick person & a conman. The GOP are using him to achieve their destructive agenda which the 2% demand of them.
America , you are failing in front of the world.
Unfortunately the Trump-GOP decisions will become law. The USA can not afford to wait 2-4 years. Obamacare is on the edge of being pulled in order for an $880 billion tax cut for the 2% to be passed. The EPA budget , the Dept of Ed budget , Planned Parenthood budget , NIH budget , etc are all being cut to pass a tax cut for the 2%. Plus changes to favor the Wall St crooks & Trump himself with real estate & inheritance taxes and the Trickle Down theory is being enacted which hs been shown to benefit only the wealthy (i.e. Trickle UP actually happens).
Trump is a mentally sick person & a conman. The GOP are using him to achieve their destructive agenda which the 2% demand of them.
America , you are failing in front of the world.
What's most disturbing from the reactions of President Trump and many but not all politicians is the lack of understanding of how national security is accomplished. Judging from the partisan reactions some love their party before their country ---- this is not the first case of insiders trading loyalty for riches or power ---- history tells of the damages done by insiders such as Judas, Brutus and Benedict! In other words General Flynn is an insider and immersed in National Security of America and he soured. His illegal acts reveal hatred for the law and America. He does not deserve a delayed response nor does anyone no matter how high or rich who puts himself before his Country.
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People (readers) need to pay attention. This is a very significant problem; not something where you just forget and move on. Flynn lied thinking that he could get away with it, yet the government had a recording of his conversation regarding sanctions with the Russians. Yes, we know politicians lie, but this is one case where a person who had significant authority lied thinking he could get away with it. Like the Democrat said, if leaks regarding this didn't occur, an immoral liar, Flynn, would still have his position. Please, pay attention to the significance of this problem.
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As the saying goes, Pride cometh before the fall.
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In 2008, in the midst of the financial Crisis, Trump sold a Palm Beach mansion to Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovev for $95 million — about $53 million more than he paid for it less than four years earlier.
Both Republican and Democratic opponents faced an orchestrated cyber-hacking and disinformation campaign from the Kremlin meant to clear the field for Trump.
A sophisticated state run campaign to defeat Secretary Clinton targeted battleground states to eke out a 77,000 vote win in the Electoral College despite a 3 million popular vote deficit.
Trump appointed Flynn to the most sensitive security position in the government despite being warned by the previous administration that he could be compromised.
Flynn accepted money from Russia and Turkey, receiving at least $500,000 from the latter.
At least 3 top Trump campaign surrogates were unregistered foreign agents or colluded with Russian hackers to throw the US Presidential election: Carter Page, Roger Stone and Paul Manafort.
Trump's Attorney General Sessions perjured himself before Congress when he denied communicating with anyone in the Russian government during the course of the campaign.
He spoke several times with Russian Ambassador Kislyak at the GOP convention just days before WikiLeaks released a slew of hacked emails.
Treason, perjury, bribery, foreign campaign influence - Russia launched a coup in the US and has tried to do the same around the world. The culprits must be held accountable.
Both Republican and Democratic opponents faced an orchestrated cyber-hacking and disinformation campaign from the Kremlin meant to clear the field for Trump.
A sophisticated state run campaign to defeat Secretary Clinton targeted battleground states to eke out a 77,000 vote win in the Electoral College despite a 3 million popular vote deficit.
Trump appointed Flynn to the most sensitive security position in the government despite being warned by the previous administration that he could be compromised.
Flynn accepted money from Russia and Turkey, receiving at least $500,000 from the latter.
At least 3 top Trump campaign surrogates were unregistered foreign agents or colluded with Russian hackers to throw the US Presidential election: Carter Page, Roger Stone and Paul Manafort.
Trump's Attorney General Sessions perjured himself before Congress when he denied communicating with anyone in the Russian government during the course of the campaign.
He spoke several times with Russian Ambassador Kislyak at the GOP convention just days before WikiLeaks released a slew of hacked emails.
Treason, perjury, bribery, foreign campaign influence - Russia launched a coup in the US and has tried to do the same around the world. The culprits must be held accountable.
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Welcome to Russiagate complete with a gap of 18 days with files yet to be turned over by The white House. When Donald Trump endlessly called his opponent "Crooked Hillary" for mishandling classified documents and had Michael Flynn lead the chant "Lock Her Up!" at the Republican Party convention, we should all argue for "equal justice" when he appoints a man on the payroll of Russia and is repeatedly warned about it. As former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, made abundantly clear, Michael Flynn was completely "compromised" and lied about it too boot. But President Trump, knew the truth, and appears to have been a willing accomplice. What classified information Flynn may have passed on to the Russians is not known (at least to the public), but Mr. Trump was criminally negligent in allowing for it to happen. It's time to get the complete truth out before more damage is done. It's time for the end of Republican denials and obstruction. It's time to appoint a Special Prosecutor.
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In regards to two things that Mr. Clapper addressed:
a) He believes we are not doing a good enough job educating the electorate on what/how Russia is CONTINUING to influence our politics and the politics of other NATO Nations.
b) The Intelligence Community cannot, and did not, prepare an assessment as to what effect Russia's influence had on the election process. Additionally, both he and Sally Yates said they believed there was no way to truly tell.
A) I agree entirely. Most Americans are still unaware that if they are on social media (more specifically Twitter) and navigate to almost any political related tweet (be it by a Senator or a celebrity), there are armies of networked bot accounts. Some automated and set to re-tweet and like posts, while others are actually paid Kremlin trolls in the Baltics masquerading as American citizens. Even though our election is over they are still attempting to sow division in our politics (and it's working).
B) If in that Senate hearing, one of the Senators read aloud a piece of false information about Hillary Clinton that was spread by Russian bots during the election season, then asked everyone in the room to raise their hand if they had heard that Hillary had done the actions described, I'm sure several people would have raised their hands having no idea that information was false. People voted and based their vote on information received from Kremlin sources.
a) He believes we are not doing a good enough job educating the electorate on what/how Russia is CONTINUING to influence our politics and the politics of other NATO Nations.
b) The Intelligence Community cannot, and did not, prepare an assessment as to what effect Russia's influence had on the election process. Additionally, both he and Sally Yates said they believed there was no way to truly tell.
A) I agree entirely. Most Americans are still unaware that if they are on social media (more specifically Twitter) and navigate to almost any political related tweet (be it by a Senator or a celebrity), there are armies of networked bot accounts. Some automated and set to re-tweet and like posts, while others are actually paid Kremlin trolls in the Baltics masquerading as American citizens. Even though our election is over they are still attempting to sow division in our politics (and it's working).
B) If in that Senate hearing, one of the Senators read aloud a piece of false information about Hillary Clinton that was spread by Russian bots during the election season, then asked everyone in the room to raise their hand if they had heard that Hillary had done the actions described, I'm sure several people would have raised their hands having no idea that information was false. People voted and based their vote on information received from Kremlin sources.
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So let's see if I've got this right. It took Trump more than 2 weeks to fire Flynn and less than a day to fire Sally Ann Yates?
Now, Kushner sells immigration visas to the Chinese and plays the "I didn't know" game? Really? And just how many of the Trump Organization employees made a mistake and Trump yelled, "FIRED!" for less?
Sally Yates' testimony was so tight and impervious to the boys of the GOP that every time Cruz, Grassley or Graham tried to trick her into disclosing what they KNEW might be classified information, she slammed the door shut on their Mr. MAN games.
Trump only fired Sally Yates because in typical Trump dictatorial style she represented a "threat" to his plans of government takeover starting with a rigged election.
And anyone who believes it isn't possible to rig the Electoral College needs their heads examined. It is far easier to rig the Electoral College because each state legislation appoints the electors. Let's pretend they would NEVER pull off a sneaky, underhanded pay off to electors to make sure they got Trump.
Sorry, but the GOP's dirty laundry is out there. Once again, it is a woman who takes down the most corrupt men in this country. Shrerron Watkins took down the almighty gods of Enron and now Sally Yates in clear, concise, articulate form is taking down the dirty little secret of Trump and his high handed attitude he can do just as he pleases with out tax dollars and our government.
That "I didn't know" Trump line won't work.
Now, Kushner sells immigration visas to the Chinese and plays the "I didn't know" game? Really? And just how many of the Trump Organization employees made a mistake and Trump yelled, "FIRED!" for less?
Sally Yates' testimony was so tight and impervious to the boys of the GOP that every time Cruz, Grassley or Graham tried to trick her into disclosing what they KNEW might be classified information, she slammed the door shut on their Mr. MAN games.
Trump only fired Sally Yates because in typical Trump dictatorial style she represented a "threat" to his plans of government takeover starting with a rigged election.
And anyone who believes it isn't possible to rig the Electoral College needs their heads examined. It is far easier to rig the Electoral College because each state legislation appoints the electors. Let's pretend they would NEVER pull off a sneaky, underhanded pay off to electors to make sure they got Trump.
Sorry, but the GOP's dirty laundry is out there. Once again, it is a woman who takes down the most corrupt men in this country. Shrerron Watkins took down the almighty gods of Enron and now Sally Yates in clear, concise, articulate form is taking down the dirty little secret of Trump and his high handed attitude he can do just as he pleases with out tax dollars and our government.
That "I didn't know" Trump line won't work.
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Flynn was not picked DESPITE his ties, he was picked BECAUSE of his ties. Flynn, Carter Page, Roger Stone and Paul Manafort were all working with Mango to steal the election using Russian hackers. It was why Mango was so quick to get Flynn in place. He needed the people in to try to stop any investigation of his treasonous theft of the election.
Trump Russia is the worst political scandal in US history. And it installed the worst president the US has ever endured. He is a disaster and a disgrace, and is not even 1/3 of the way into a year. If Republicans cared on whit for the United States they would be investigating Trump Russia with the vigor they had investigating bogus "scandals" about the woman we elected.
Trump Russia is the worst political scandal in US history. And it installed the worst president the US has ever endured. He is a disaster and a disgrace, and is not even 1/3 of the way into a year. If Republicans cared on whit for the United States they would be investigating Trump Russia with the vigor they had investigating bogus "scandals" about the woman we elected.
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Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that all of Trump's advisers went running to discuss things with Russia? Not Britain, not France, not Germany...but Russia?
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And, eventually, we'll see that Trump's PAC has been used to launder money from the Russians and other unsavory donors.
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Independent Counsel investigation - NOW.
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By attacking Ms. Yates, Senators Grassley, Cornyn and Cruz are complicit after the fact of collaboration with Russia.
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The Rs were far more concerned about the leakers than they were about the breaches in national security. Iowa's old and out-of-it Senator Grassley was the lead fool. Embarrassing.
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"In spite of ties to Russia"? No... 45 stuck with Flynn BECAUSE of his ties to Russia. You can't fly tons of illicit cash around the world without an entire battalion of dirty boys like Flynn.
Flynn thought that 45 had already shredded the Constitution, and that he would face no oversight. Flynn was optimistic by a few years, but that's all.
Soon enough, we'll have no free press and only an executive branch of gvt, and he would have gotten away with it.
Flynn thought that 45 had already shredded the Constitution, and that he would face no oversight. Flynn was optimistic by a few years, but that's all.
Soon enough, we'll have no free press and only an executive branch of gvt, and he would have gotten away with it.
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Memories are short. Flynn would still be there, IF THE YATES WARNING HAD NOT BEEN LEAKED.
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Yeah, and IF I had wheels I'd be a wagon.
We're concerned about what DID happen, not what MIGHT have happened. What DID happen is bad enough.
We're concerned about what DID happen, not what MIGHT have happened. What DID happen is bad enough.
The only people not listening--to anything: the republicans in congress. It's almost unfathomable that they are more than willing to let Trump and his family simply do business from Washington (with the weight of the White House behind them). Apparently, their total corporate sponsorship coupled with their racism, homophobia and disdain for women is more important than American democracy or even simple American integrity. The Trump administration has been a travesty from day one. But it's also riddled with ethics and legal violations.
And yet: that deaf, dumb and blind republican congress with their own demented mission to bring back the 1950's. But, of course, Donald Trump is no Dwight D. Eisenhower.
And yet: that deaf, dumb and blind republican congress with their own demented mission to bring back the 1950's. But, of course, Donald Trump is no Dwight D. Eisenhower.
To quote a friend of mine regarding Ms. Yate's testimony, "Remember when we had smart, articulate and caring people in government?".
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Trump delights in taking credit for good things he has not done and passing the blame for bad decisions he has made.
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He loves winning!
We live in challenging times...
Challenging times remain a constant...
My hope is that electing Trump, an on-going disgrace, will wake up voters to see how craven Republicans have become. Stark examples are clearly on display. Supporting anti-Muslim bans, voting to approve tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of health care for those who can not afford it, gutting the EPA, supporting coal, a dying energy source for cost and pollution reasons, relaxing air and water pollution standards, consistently trying to revoke women's rights to make some personal health care choices +++
Have voters had enough?
Vote out Republicans like Ryan, McConnell, all who voted for Trumpcare +++ who cater to the top 5% at the expense of the middle class and poor.
Then there is the fact that Trump remains unfit to govern. His appointees like Flynn & others who withdrew as they could not pass the vetting process, repeatedly show Trump is unfit.
Thank you Sally Yates for your service, your honesty, during trying times.
Voters, every election is a choice for freedom, fairness or do we give our country to the rich... Be informed, Vote!
Challenging times remain a constant...
My hope is that electing Trump, an on-going disgrace, will wake up voters to see how craven Republicans have become. Stark examples are clearly on display. Supporting anti-Muslim bans, voting to approve tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of health care for those who can not afford it, gutting the EPA, supporting coal, a dying energy source for cost and pollution reasons, relaxing air and water pollution standards, consistently trying to revoke women's rights to make some personal health care choices +++
Have voters had enough?
Vote out Republicans like Ryan, McConnell, all who voted for Trumpcare +++ who cater to the top 5% at the expense of the middle class and poor.
Then there is the fact that Trump remains unfit to govern. His appointees like Flynn & others who withdrew as they could not pass the vetting process, repeatedly show Trump is unfit.
Thank you Sally Yates for your service, your honesty, during trying times.
Voters, every election is a choice for freedom, fairness or do we give our country to the rich... Be informed, Vote!
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I don't know if anything was learned yesterday. Haven't we all known about this situation for months? And one question that I always have is; how do we know that Flynn lied to Pence?
How do we know that Pence didn't know this already? Are we to take Pence's word? Is there any documentation to prove this?
I'm sure both Pence and Trump already knew this.
How do we know that Pence didn't know this already? Are we to take Pence's word? Is there any documentation to prove this?
I'm sure both Pence and Trump already knew this.
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We need to be crystal clear: the main argument against Hillary was that she couldn't be trusted with national security matters because she used a private email server. Yet Trump has done something exponentially worse--allowing someone into his inner circle, with the highest security clearance to see the most sensitive information, despite knowing that he was compromised by a foreign government. And make no mistake, the Russians would've used Flynn to their advantage; they have many years of experience "turning" such sources of info, and you don't have to be at war with a nation to jockey for an advantage over them. And Trump wasn't just warned about Flynn by the media or someone in the Justice Dept or FBI--he was warned by a sitting President of the United States, who had come to the conclusion that Flynn could not be trusted. Appointing Flynn was among the most irresponsible decisions Trump has made thus far, putting our country at risk, and we need to know why he made it.
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I second this comment wholeheartedly. Why can't the Times convey the same sense of urgency over Trump's sloppy, treacherous handling of intelligence (the dinner party North Korea briefing at Mar a Lago, for instance) as it did over the Clinton emails?
Just as James Clapper–who has openly lied to Congress–continues to give evidence free opinions as to supposed Russian interference, the same can be said of Sally Yates, who spies on people for a living.
Sally Yates didn’t reveal anything new, she just confirmed from her own mouth that her decisions were not based on law, but by her own personal prejudices.
Repairing relations with Russia, thus forestalling the possibility of a nuclear war, was one of the few Trump policies that ever made any sense. Sadly, it’s the one the Democrats and the main stream media have been most determined to derail.
SAD.
Sally Yates didn’t reveal anything new, she just confirmed from her own mouth that her decisions were not based on law, but by her own personal prejudices.
Repairing relations with Russia, thus forestalling the possibility of a nuclear war, was one of the few Trump policies that ever made any sense. Sadly, it’s the one the Democrats and the main stream media have been most determined to derail.
SAD.
What a Shameful display for part of the Texan Republican wing conformed by Cruz- Cornyn trying to discredit Mrs Yates instead of looking for the truth.
A crude reminder that those two work for the GOP and not for their constituents fortunately for all of us who wants the truth to come out of this Mrs Yates managed to discredit them with her professional and calm demeanor. What a sorry display of partisanship for these two clowns Cruz/Cornyn We will do our best to get you out of your seats in 2018.
Apologies America Texas is much better than this....
A crude reminder that those two work for the GOP and not for their constituents fortunately for all of us who wants the truth to come out of this Mrs Yates managed to discredit them with her professional and calm demeanor. What a sorry display of partisanship for these two clowns Cruz/Cornyn We will do our best to get you out of your seats in 2018.
Apologies America Texas is much better than this....
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Something that the republicans seem to have forgotten: Russia is not our friend. Never was. Never will be. (During WWII we were leery allies, but that's all.) Something that trump defenders have forgotten (if they ever knew it): the rapacious history of Soviet Russia. RUSSIA IS NOT OUR FRIEND. Read a history book.
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The only question that matters is whether Congress will do the right thing and follow the Russia trail where it almost certainly leads. If the Trump machine was compromised, the lying, mendacious, puffed-up bully must be thrown out.
I have scant hopes for an honest outcome.
Cry, the Beloved Country.
I have scant hopes for an honest outcome.
Cry, the Beloved Country.
Again, another evidence that his judgement is very poor. Last night, I saw President Obama's speech which showed, again, how thoughtful and considerate he is - so sad and frustrated to realize that we still have another 45 months to see and hear ignorant reckless dangerous thoughts and actions of the President.
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“The first thing I thought of when I heard about it is, how does the press get this information that’s classified? How do they do it? You know why? Because it’s an illegal process, and the press should be ashamed of themselves.”
What is the secret information here?
It's been months now and I still am not aware of any secrets. All I remember reading or hearing is that Flynn lied about the nature of his contact with the Russian Ambassador after the election and there is proof of it. Where is the secret in that information? Please tell us.
What is the secret information here?
It's been months now and I still am not aware of any secrets. All I remember reading or hearing is that Flynn lied about the nature of his contact with the Russian Ambassador after the election and there is proof of it. Where is the secret in that information? Please tell us.
It's amazing that the GOP, in order to protect its new-found power in Congress and the Presidency, doesn't seem to care about any collusion with Russia.
There is just a rush to change the subject.
There is just a rush to change the subject.
There is a thing in psychology called projection where one attributes to others one's own feelings which are usually less than noble while denying that he has those feelings.
The Trump administration says Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn out of some personal animosity and not out of any concern for the country. No doubt it is because Trump can't believe that anybody would care more about the country than about settling some personal grudge.
The Trump administration says Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn out of some personal animosity and not out of any concern for the country. No doubt it is because Trump can't believe that anybody would care more about the country than about settling some personal grudge.
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Republicans are like pharisees - self righteous and like to stand in front of the crowd congratulating themselves and how good a people they are. In the back they are busy taking your earnings and giving it to corporate entities and the rich while smiling about it.
Mark my works "Social Security" will be killed by large deficits, not by retirees taking their money out. Republicans like borrowing to give out as tax rebates to the rich and the very people who will lose keep cheering.
Mark my works "Social Security" will be killed by large deficits, not by retirees taking their money out. Republicans like borrowing to give out as tax rebates to the rich and the very people who will lose keep cheering.
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Our Political and Media machines have been caught up in the spectacle of Trump. He made money for so many, by being a contentious "no holds barred" candidate who is ironically unfit for the presidency. But they were completely unprepared for a huge segment of the American population that has been sick of the broken political system and desperate for an outsider to "shake things up". Well, things sure have been shaking.
The signs of trouble were there. So many pending conflicts of interest, peculiar ties to Russia among the Trump staffers... but people weren't giving it much credence. "He's not going to win." Well, he did. But being an outsider gives Trump no excuse to be completely unfamiliar with the responsibilities of the president, which include maintaining dignity and integrity of the office. He has failed MISERABLY on all counts. This sorely delayed action on Flynn will undoubtedly reveal a nefariously disingenuous president, who wanted to keep Flynn because of his Russian connection (thinking he'd be helpful in the relationship) and was probably counseled repeatedly by many, including Yates, to fire him. This is but one account of Trump corruption. Remember his track record... Trump University.
The signs of trouble were there. So many pending conflicts of interest, peculiar ties to Russia among the Trump staffers... but people weren't giving it much credence. "He's not going to win." Well, he did. But being an outsider gives Trump no excuse to be completely unfamiliar with the responsibilities of the president, which include maintaining dignity and integrity of the office. He has failed MISERABLY on all counts. This sorely delayed action on Flynn will undoubtedly reveal a nefariously disingenuous president, who wanted to keep Flynn because of his Russian connection (thinking he'd be helpful in the relationship) and was probably counseled repeatedly by many, including Yates, to fire him. This is but one account of Trump corruption. Remember his track record... Trump University.
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I know I should be more compassionate, but watching Michael Flynn completely wreck his career has been amazing entertainment. He richly deserves his unhappy fate.
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I am getting angrier and angrier at the Repubs. WHY are they still making such lame excuses for all these ties to Russia and NOT seeking to investigate them?
If they had any sense of honor, they'd honestly want to get to the bottom of it all. As I think Graham said, this time it was the Dems, but next time it could be Repubs; if anyone in this system is attacked, we are all under attack.
Add to that the very bizarre things Trump said last week (about "no one" ever having thought about the causes of the Civil War and about no corners in the Oval Office), and we have enormous problems. Leave aside for the moment the craven vote to exchange health care for millions for a tax cut for the rich.
Now we know how hollow that bragging about patriotism was.
Lapel pins are cheap. Doing the right thing is not.
If they had any sense of honor, they'd honestly want to get to the bottom of it all. As I think Graham said, this time it was the Dems, but next time it could be Repubs; if anyone in this system is attacked, we are all under attack.
Add to that the very bizarre things Trump said last week (about "no one" ever having thought about the causes of the Civil War and about no corners in the Oval Office), and we have enormous problems. Leave aside for the moment the craven vote to exchange health care for millions for a tax cut for the rich.
Now we know how hollow that bragging about patriotism was.
Lapel pins are cheap. Doing the right thing is not.
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A real estate magnate from Queens and latterly a reality star on TV and then president of the US turns out to be a traitor who wanted to subvert democracy and hand, uh, our sovereignty and freedom, uh, and other stuff to the Russians because something something and so now we can impeach him so that we can "look into" Pence's ties to the Evangelical cabal that wants to subvert our secular nation and establish a hand maid's tale type system where, um, Ivanka with help from reactionary forces huddled in the South and with the help of certain foreign factions will....Looks like a mirror image of Obama Derangement Syndrome from 8 years ago...
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When you blame others, namely Obama, you are resorting to typical middle school behavior. That's our 70 year old president. Still in middle school. The GOP can sure pick 'em.
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Why's everybody so excited about Flyyn and about Trump acting with such glacial speed to can him?
To Trump, It didn't matter what Flynn did or said or didn't say. He was tough. Didn't matter if he was a loose cannon, a miserable person to work with, abusive, abrasive and so on. Didn't matter if he was a little shady, a little weasel. He was tough. A general, for pity's sake.
Doesn't matter if you are a lying, murdering, monstrous thug, if you are tough. Kim Jong Un is a smart cookie and strong, boy is he strong. Kills his own uncle and brother and who knows how many dissidents, of which there are none. That takes strength. Be an honor to meet him.
Duterte is really strong. Kills how many thousands of his own citizens just because they may, or may not be involved in some way with drugs. Duterte's tough. Doesn't matter that a lot of sewage comes out of his mouth, he's strong. Good guy. Give him a state dinner with Trump's very own, very old-aged steaks.
And the number one strong guy in the world, outside of Trump himself, is Putin, who is so strong that he doesn't care how he kills his opposition and he likes variety, shoots 'em in elevators, puts a little polonium in their tea, disappears them, he's got it down.
So tough and strong is the essential where-it's-at-ness of the Trump haha administration. What's the problem? That's what fully 42 percent of our fellow citizens want.
To Trump, It didn't matter what Flynn did or said or didn't say. He was tough. Didn't matter if he was a loose cannon, a miserable person to work with, abusive, abrasive and so on. Didn't matter if he was a little shady, a little weasel. He was tough. A general, for pity's sake.
Doesn't matter if you are a lying, murdering, monstrous thug, if you are tough. Kim Jong Un is a smart cookie and strong, boy is he strong. Kills his own uncle and brother and who knows how many dissidents, of which there are none. That takes strength. Be an honor to meet him.
Duterte is really strong. Kills how many thousands of his own citizens just because they may, or may not be involved in some way with drugs. Duterte's tough. Doesn't matter that a lot of sewage comes out of his mouth, he's strong. Good guy. Give him a state dinner with Trump's very own, very old-aged steaks.
And the number one strong guy in the world, outside of Trump himself, is Putin, who is so strong that he doesn't care how he kills his opposition and he likes variety, shoots 'em in elevators, puts a little polonium in their tea, disappears them, he's got it down.
So tough and strong is the essential where-it's-at-ness of the Trump haha administration. What's the problem? That's what fully 42 percent of our fellow citizens want.
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Sally Yates to Jeff Sessions: Where is YOUR integrity?
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Come on people! He was just waiting for Putin's OK!
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The Yates testimony helped reestablish at least one incontrovertible truth: Ted Cruz is still universally disliked by both his peers and subordinates. I imagine this sentiment extends comfortably to just about anyone he encounters. Witnesses included.
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Given Mr. Trump's pronounced antipathy for Mr. Obama, it seems highly unlikely to expect he would take advice from him. If anything Trump, childishly, could be expected to hire Flynn because Obama counseled him not to do so.
Flynn's ties to Russia are extremely important because we are, indeed, at cyber war with Russia. Trump's known ties to Russia are significant and serve, among other things, to give scary context to his positive comments about Putin. If there was nothing to all of this, as Trump claims, he would make his tax returns public and heartily support investigations so that he could do an "I told you so" at the end of the process. I think he knows, however, that being cleared of wrong-doing would not be the outcome of the investigatory process.
Flynn's ties to Russia are extremely important because we are, indeed, at cyber war with Russia. Trump's known ties to Russia are significant and serve, among other things, to give scary context to his positive comments about Putin. If there was nothing to all of this, as Trump claims, he would make his tax returns public and heartily support investigations so that he could do an "I told you so" at the end of the process. I think he knows, however, that being cleared of wrong-doing would not be the outcome of the investigatory process.
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Trump is a Republican.....Republicans, as demonstrated over the past eight years, do not like people with black skins, and do not want them to exceed at anything, nor advance opinions on anything. That is us, the good old USA............
I you asked Trump about Watergate, he would have responded; "Nice building, I could have really turned it into something, that's what I do, real estate flows in my blood..."
He sees the world through his own litigation-laced history, where you do what you want to do and let the lawyers clean up (try to clean up) behind you. He has done business with lots of shady characters and survived to tell (not tell) the tale. Flynn is shady and disreputable and even ironic (lock him up, ironic).
I can see a huge "burn pile" in the Rose Garden the day before Trump leaves office. Even now, you can kind of see the smoke curling above the White House if you look carefully...
He sees the world through his own litigation-laced history, where you do what you want to do and let the lawyers clean up (try to clean up) behind you. He has done business with lots of shady characters and survived to tell (not tell) the tale. Flynn is shady and disreputable and even ironic (lock him up, ironic).
I can see a huge "burn pile" in the Rose Garden the day before Trump leaves office. Even now, you can kind of see the smoke curling above the White House if you look carefully...
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Donald Trump has given no indication, by his acts, that he cares a whit for democracy. I would not be surprised to find out that he hired Flynn because of his Russian contacts, which could be leveraged into profitable deals for Trump, Inc.
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Thanks to Sally Yates, for her professional judgment and her commitment to our country.
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The Republicans are partisan patriots; there is no other way to explain their resistance to an independent commission.
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Throughout history all great empires eventually fall. We are now witnessing our own. The USA used to be a beacon of hope - one many other nations attempted to emulate. Now look at us. We are the laughing stock of the world and the only exceptional thing we still have is our military. On most other metrics, we are near the bottom compared to other industrialized societies.
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I'm not fooled one bit by Sally Yates's Joan of Arc act. She said she went to the WH because the public was not being told the truth.
I'd like to ask Ms. Yates where she was when the Obama administration lied, vis a vis Susan RIce, about Benghazi?
Ms. Yates was on the way out of Justice anyway. So she took a shot and threw a stink bomb before leaving.
That whole Justice Department was an Obama PAC for years. Now she's had her fifteen minutes of fame.
I'd like to ask Ms. Yates where she was when the Obama administration lied, vis a vis Susan RIce, about Benghazi?
Ms. Yates was on the way out of Justice anyway. So she took a shot and threw a stink bomb before leaving.
That whole Justice Department was an Obama PAC for years. Now she's had her fifteen minutes of fame.
Trump is out to destroy or dismiss anything Obama regardless.
Obama has either scared the hell out of Trump and/ or Trump is so jealous of Obama he can't see straight.
Will Trump's inactions or overreactions toward Obama be the end of his fortunes?
Either way, Obama knows Trump very well.
All he has to do is sit back, say nothing and watch Trump dismantle himself.
He hasn't been in office 6 months and he's already coming apart at the seams.
It is my hopes that he, Trump, doesn't go overboard and get us as a country deeper into unchartered waters to make himself look good in the eyes of those not paying attention.
Obama has either scared the hell out of Trump and/ or Trump is so jealous of Obama he can't see straight.
Will Trump's inactions or overreactions toward Obama be the end of his fortunes?
Either way, Obama knows Trump very well.
All he has to do is sit back, say nothing and watch Trump dismantle himself.
He hasn't been in office 6 months and he's already coming apart at the seams.
It is my hopes that he, Trump, doesn't go overboard and get us as a country deeper into unchartered waters to make himself look good in the eyes of those not paying attention.
Lock him up! Lock him up!
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Waiting for Hillary to say, "What difference, at this point, does it make?".
The question is what the FBI knows about the connection between the Trump campaign and the Russians. Otherwise the Flynn issue is moot. He is just another connection, another pixel in a bigger picture.
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Flynn IS a "connection between the Trump campaign and the Russians". The "Flynn issue" is not "moot". Comey knows, but I am beginning to think he will sweep the worst bits under the rug. The bits that prove treason.
What's the problem? I don't see a problem. I support General Flynn. I support President Trump. At least we are not dealing with Clinton drama. Thank you.
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Instead we have a spy novel.
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You'll be sad when he's impeached.
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Southern Boy. The problem is lying, corruption and collusion with Russia by our current government. It has nothing to do with Secretary of State Clinton. That is the past and this is the present, right?
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I am always amazed about the number of people who seem to not care if they wake up in Russia instead of the United States of America. If Putin had his way, he'd turn the U.S. into Russia. Don't people get this? How can you say collusion with Russia is OK?
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BECAUSE...the GOP puts their party and their tax cuts and their laws ABOVE THE NATIONS.
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Cold war's over
In all of the discussion, and it was cited by Clapper yesterday, the US does similar covert actions when it comes to other country's elections. This even continued under the Obama Administration. Though it wasn't mentioned at the hearing, the CIA killed a candidate in a Chilean presidental campaign back in the 70's.
Maybe we should stop assuming the high ground since we're just as bad as the countires we berate. It is of no wonder that the US is seen with low regard and a joke in so many countries.
Maybe we should stop assuming the high ground since we're just as bad as the countires we berate. It is of no wonder that the US is seen with low regard and a joke in so many countries.
So Trump is on a steep learning curve. At least he seems to be learning.
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While I am satisfied with the Yates testimony yesterday, I like most Americans want more information. In other words we want all the dirt out there about this President whom we have distrusted for 100 days plus.
So what? She was fired by Trump when she undercut his order restricting travel from Muslim countries to protect the US.
Also, apparently she has either not read the book "Clinton Cash" or is indifferent to foreign influence over appointed official if they are Democrats.
Also, apparently she has either not read the book "Clinton Cash" or is indifferent to foreign influence over appointed official if they are Democrats.
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Juergen Granatowski. Yates did NOT undermine Trump's inappropriate ban on Muslin immigration. She had a question and turned to federal judges. They canceled the ban which was prejudicial and against the law. Yates testimony was forthright. She had no reason to lie and she didn't. Truth is we have an evil corrupt government now that might be tied to Russian interests not American. This evil must be exposed!!
First off, I believe Trump world is "opposite world". So whatever Trump says he means exactly the opposite. His constant denila of collusion with Russia means there was collusion with Russia. The fact he ignored the warnings about Flynn as other commenters have said, it was because of his ties to Russia.
Whatever Trump accuses Hilary or Obama about is because Trump himself has done it. TRUMP COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA!!!! He cannot make that go away! We are on to Trump, he is no longer pulling the wool over our eyes.
Whatever Trump accuses Hilary or Obama about is because Trump himself has done it. TRUMP COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA!!!! He cannot make that go away! We are on to Trump, he is no longer pulling the wool over our eyes.
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I just took a trip over to Fox News' website and there is no mention of the hearing or anything related except if you go to a very specific section and hunt for a mention of it. How does that work?
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The last time a presidency began with such outrageous arrogance was 1972.
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Sorry we lost him. He wanted some eminently sensible policies like less conflict with Russia, less killing by the CIA, fewer US sponsored coups and secret arms sales. He was a babe in the woods with money though, and publicity. Guys like Lavrov, Shoigu and even Peskov eat Flynns for a light snack with Chianti. Putin is in another league entirely. Just look objectively at what Russia influences without ever having to use its nukes.
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"Eminently sensible policies..."
For whom?
And at what cost?
For whom?
And at what cost?
Taking our forces off their new Cold War footing with Russia would help a ton. We messed with them in Ukraine with political meddling and he returned the favor with Clinton. Time to put the past behind us and use a "Sunshine" style policy. The Russians are not bowing to our sanctions at all. Putin would be the best ally to vanquish Islamic Terrorism with, not the Saudis for goodness' sake.
sorry we lost him....are you living on another planet
From another NYT article on Flynn; “The president asked them to commit a review of whether there was a legal situation there. That was immediately determined there wasn’t.”
So, this president was looking for a "legal" way out of getting rid of Flynn despite the threat of a security compromise with the Russians. If there was one, would Flynn still be acting in his capacity, getting security briefings, and passing this information on to...?
If this isn't a treasonous act on the part of the Trump administration, what exactly is?
So, this president was looking for a "legal" way out of getting rid of Flynn despite the threat of a security compromise with the Russians. If there was one, would Flynn still be acting in his capacity, getting security briefings, and passing this information on to...?
If this isn't a treasonous act on the part of the Trump administration, what exactly is?
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america is a failure not be it elected trump
its a failure bc even after witnessing dozens of conflict of interest violations nothing is done to address them
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What this whole sad story boils down to can be summarized with two words.
Bad Judgement
Bad Judgement
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Mike, maybe, although we don't know yet, a third word: treason.
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You may be right, I guess I was trying to look at the "bright side!"
With all the Trump policy disasters in the offing this whole Flynn discussion seems like trivial backbiting by Obama and his administration. Clearly the wholesale destruction of Obama's so-called legacy has gotten his goat.
But in reality, this was an unwarranted and unnecessary blunder on Trump's part. He ignored advice, capriciously since some of it came from Obama and is now blaming Obama for his mistake. This is part and parcel of an unqualified president.
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Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to Mike Pence. So, following that logic, we the people can fire Trump for lying to us, right?
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Trump realized YATES was just TOO SMART for him to NOT fire her. It must have seemed to him - it was the easiest way out (and that's what he looks for in women - EASY).
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If Michael Flynn committed a crime, why didn't Mrs.Yates immediately go to a Grand Jury and try to get him indicted?
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Because there is an ongoing FBI investigation.
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Because they fired her too quickly for essentially doing what you suggest around the Muslim ban.
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Because of the FBI investigation which she couldn't or wouldn't interrupt.
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It's pretty obvious that Flynn was drunk on his own wine. After an improbable win for a guy he supported now the world was his oyster and he was going to benefit his old buddies the Russians by letting them know sanctions would be in his cross hairs.
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Right on! Flynn's ego got the better part of his honor. The Russians must have played him like Liberace played a Steinway.
A quote from the president;
“The first thing I thought of when I heard about it is, how does the press get this information that’s classified? How do they do it? You know why? Because it’s an illegal process, and the press should be ashamed of themselves.”
What is the secret information here?
It's been months now and I still am not aware of any secrets. All I remember reading or hearing is that Flynn lied about the nature of his contact with the Russian Ambassador after the election and there is proof of it. Where is the secrcet in that information? Please tell us.
“The first thing I thought of when I heard about it is, how does the press get this information that’s classified? How do they do it? You know why? Because it’s an illegal process, and the press should be ashamed of themselves.”
What is the secret information here?
It's been months now and I still am not aware of any secrets. All I remember reading or hearing is that Flynn lied about the nature of his contact with the Russian Ambassador after the election and there is proof of it. Where is the secrcet in that information? Please tell us.
Today's wars are being fought through data and the internet.
American's need to wake up and realize that this Russia connection-debacle is the tip of the iceberg that connects to corruption and ultimately, money.
Follow the DATA and the MONEY!
American's need to wake up and realize that this Russia connection-debacle is the tip of the iceberg that connects to corruption and ultimately, money.
Follow the DATA and the MONEY!
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The focus now is on Flynn infiltrating the White House as a Russian operative, but we should also keep in mind Flynn's role in getting Trump elected.
For a long time, Trump could get no endorsements (beyond misfits, has-beens, and white supremacists), which was pooh-poohed by his online propagandists as unnecessary.
And then he was endorsed by a senator, Jeff Sessions, which was cheered to high heaven by the Trump trolls as validating his candidacy.
And then he started to get public support from high-ranking generals, with Flynn as his headliner.
Flynn was a vital tool, provided to Trump via Putin and friends, in giving Trump a veneer of authentic patriotism to fool all the flag-waving Americans looking for someone to trust.
How they cheered and joined in when General Flynn chanted "Lock Her Up!"
Flynn was a lot more than a security threat. He was instrumental in getting Trump the White House.
And Trump became complicit as soon as he decided to keep Flynn on after finding out his true nature. His claim of ignorance is no excuse.
For a long time, Trump could get no endorsements (beyond misfits, has-beens, and white supremacists), which was pooh-poohed by his online propagandists as unnecessary.
And then he was endorsed by a senator, Jeff Sessions, which was cheered to high heaven by the Trump trolls as validating his candidacy.
And then he started to get public support from high-ranking generals, with Flynn as his headliner.
Flynn was a vital tool, provided to Trump via Putin and friends, in giving Trump a veneer of authentic patriotism to fool all the flag-waving Americans looking for someone to trust.
How they cheered and joined in when General Flynn chanted "Lock Her Up!"
Flynn was a lot more than a security threat. He was instrumental in getting Trump the White House.
And Trump became complicit as soon as he decided to keep Flynn on after finding out his true nature. His claim of ignorance is no excuse.
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In reference to the 3rd paragraph in this article, that says:
But President Trump did not immediately fire the adviser, Michael T. Flynn, over the apparent lie or the susceptibility to blackmail. Instead, Mr. Flynn remained in office for 18 more days. Only after the news of his false statements broke publicly did he lose his job on Feb. 13.
So Trump didn't fire Flynn for 18 days. Trump was told Flynn lied and was a possible target of blackmail by the Russians. Was this in part because Trump routinely lies himself and sets himself up to be blackmailed- but never seems bothered by these character flaws? It is probable multifactorial.
Over 18 days, Trump sat on the data. Was he in fact being manipulated by the Russians in those 18 days?
Someday, there will be a movie about this. Sooner, I hope we will see some pretty intense legal scrutiny and action!
But President Trump did not immediately fire the adviser, Michael T. Flynn, over the apparent lie or the susceptibility to blackmail. Instead, Mr. Flynn remained in office for 18 more days. Only after the news of his false statements broke publicly did he lose his job on Feb. 13.
So Trump didn't fire Flynn for 18 days. Trump was told Flynn lied and was a possible target of blackmail by the Russians. Was this in part because Trump routinely lies himself and sets himself up to be blackmailed- but never seems bothered by these character flaws? It is probable multifactorial.
Over 18 days, Trump sat on the data. Was he in fact being manipulated by the Russians in those 18 days?
Someday, there will be a movie about this. Sooner, I hope we will see some pretty intense legal scrutiny and action!
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Just like Al Franken said in the hearing yesterday, "maybe, just maybe" Trump had no concerns about Flynn and his Russia connections because almost his entire administration coming from his transition team has those questionable connections.
Maybe, just maybe Trump only fired Flynn after the WP article because he had no other choice, but actually wanted to keep Flynn because of his Russia connections. They seem to be the common thread along this administration after all.
Maybe, just maybe Trump only fired Flynn after the WP article because he had no other choice, but actually wanted to keep Flynn because of his Russia connections. They seem to be the common thread along this administration after all.
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I watched the entire hearing; Sally Yates was spectacular, credible, composed, and obviously on top of her legal game.
Cornyn, Kennedy, and Grassley were surly and their line of questioning came across as badgering and misogynistic. And altogether missing the point of the seriousness of the testimony. Cruz got schooled so hard by Yates twice that I'm sure he must feel really embarrassed. (Hence the cheap shot at calling Yates "partisan" as his time bell rang.)
These four Republicans are using unmasking and leaks to distract from a "President" who may well be just as compromised and corrupt as Flynn was, if not moreso! And they sure seem like they just don't want to go down that road of discovery, which they so easily could do. Doesn't this obvious fact make them as reprehensible as Trump?
And there, in a nutshell, is the conundrum of the American citizen. These craven Republicans are all too happy to give aid and comfort to a criminal enterprise inside the West Wing - rather than find out just how corrupted Trump and his officials really are. It makes me nauseous.
Cornyn, Kennedy, and Grassley were surly and their line of questioning came across as badgering and misogynistic. And altogether missing the point of the seriousness of the testimony. Cruz got schooled so hard by Yates twice that I'm sure he must feel really embarrassed. (Hence the cheap shot at calling Yates "partisan" as his time bell rang.)
These four Republicans are using unmasking and leaks to distract from a "President" who may well be just as compromised and corrupt as Flynn was, if not moreso! And they sure seem like they just don't want to go down that road of discovery, which they so easily could do. Doesn't this obvious fact make them as reprehensible as Trump?
And there, in a nutshell, is the conundrum of the American citizen. These craven Republicans are all too happy to give aid and comfort to a criminal enterprise inside the West Wing - rather than find out just how corrupted Trump and his officials really are. It makes me nauseous.
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The bottom line here is, the reason Trump didn't listen to Obama or Yates is that he knew full-well about Flynn's contacts with the Russians, because it was Trump who told him to go to the them and tell them not to worry about the sanctions, that they would be undone by Trump once he took office.
There's a word for this, actually: treason.
There's a word for this, actually: treason.
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The White House's explanation for the delay in firing Flynn is not credible. In the first week the acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, met with Trump's Counsel twice to explain what Flynn did and once more to show him the transcripts of Flynn's telephone conversations with the Russians.
So, what did Trump do? He fired Sally Yates! Then he included Flynn in sensitive national security meetings - even with Vladimir Putin! That is unforgivable. Only after the Washington Post made public this information about Flynn's Russian contacts and his lying about it, did Trump fire him.
So, what did Trump do? He fired Sally Yates! Then he included Flynn in sensitive national security meetings - even with Vladimir Putin! That is unforgivable. Only after the Washington Post made public this information about Flynn's Russian contacts and his lying about it, did Trump fire him.
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Lock him up! Or send them to Russia where he belongs!
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Politicians who seek the trust of the electorate have a unique opportunity to put their country before partisan ideology. This affair transcends domestic issues fought under the aegis of democracy as it concerns the very survival of democracy itself. And not least, the sovereignty of the American Republic.
Republican lawmakers may wish to pursue the source of leaking or whether Ms. Yates overplayed her hand in refusing to enforce Trump's travel ban, but to give such weight to sidebar issues compared to collusion with a hostile power is simply wrong. Senators Cronyn and Cruz, in particular, demonstrated their parochial approach to the matter; their pettiness and casual understanding of the law, exposed mercilessly by Ms. Yates. Their actions are not in the interest of America, but of themselves and their President.
This is a unique moment for the country. As bad as thing are, it is also the perfect opportunity for Republican Americans and their representatives to rediscover their courage for the sake of the nation. Should the moment not be seized, America will succumb to the authoritarian, mendacious and treacherous kleptocracy that now occupies the White House.
America is worth so much more, but needs to prove it.
Republican lawmakers may wish to pursue the source of leaking or whether Ms. Yates overplayed her hand in refusing to enforce Trump's travel ban, but to give such weight to sidebar issues compared to collusion with a hostile power is simply wrong. Senators Cronyn and Cruz, in particular, demonstrated their parochial approach to the matter; their pettiness and casual understanding of the law, exposed mercilessly by Ms. Yates. Their actions are not in the interest of America, but of themselves and their President.
This is a unique moment for the country. As bad as thing are, it is also the perfect opportunity for Republican Americans and their representatives to rediscover their courage for the sake of the nation. Should the moment not be seized, America will succumb to the authoritarian, mendacious and treacherous kleptocracy that now occupies the White House.
America is worth so much more, but needs to prove it.
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Why all the speculation about 'whether' Trump's 'people' encouraged or participated in Russian hacking?
As I recall, the candidate Trump asked the Russians to do so while television cameras were running.
Why look for proxies when it came from the mouth of the then candidate, now President?
As I recall, the candidate Trump asked the Russians to do so while television cameras were running.
Why look for proxies when it came from the mouth of the then candidate, now President?
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There's truth somewhere in all of this but, so far, the WH narrative makes no sense. Mr. Flynn formerly headed up the DIA, a massive intelligence agency. He absolutely had to know that any contact with Sergey Kislyak would be monitored and that discussing sanctions would trigger an incidental collection and (the highly) possible unmasking of his identity.
So, while Ms. Yates assumes that the WH was ignorant of Flynn's conversations *before* she informed the WH counsel, it makes more sense that they were already well aware of the discussion as they had instigated the very calls by Flynn to Kislyak.
This theory better explains the 18 days before Flynn was terminated, especially as that only happened *after* the Washington Post exposed the whole sordid story. This was not about Trump's loyalty to Flynn but about assuming a defensive posture hoping there would be no leaks. After all, what Yates told the WH counsel was classified. But not for the WaPo, Flynn might still be the NSA today.
This comports with the larger tangled web of Donald Trump's collusion with Russia, Flynn likely discussed removing the sanctions at Trump's behest - why else do so on his own? - and now the WaPo had the story, so it was time to duck and cover.
Comey is going to have some very difficult decisions to make including formerly outing a sitting POTUS compromised by the Russian intelligence services. Will he do the right thing as he so passionately claims as his only choice as FBI Director?
So, while Ms. Yates assumes that the WH was ignorant of Flynn's conversations *before* she informed the WH counsel, it makes more sense that they were already well aware of the discussion as they had instigated the very calls by Flynn to Kislyak.
This theory better explains the 18 days before Flynn was terminated, especially as that only happened *after* the Washington Post exposed the whole sordid story. This was not about Trump's loyalty to Flynn but about assuming a defensive posture hoping there would be no leaks. After all, what Yates told the WH counsel was classified. But not for the WaPo, Flynn might still be the NSA today.
This comports with the larger tangled web of Donald Trump's collusion with Russia, Flynn likely discussed removing the sanctions at Trump's behest - why else do so on his own? - and now the WaPo had the story, so it was time to duck and cover.
Comey is going to have some very difficult decisions to make including formerly outing a sitting POTUS compromised by the Russian intelligence services. Will he do the right thing as he so passionately claims as his only choice as FBI Director?
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The time line was that Fiynn was fired when he lied and embarrassed VP Pence, not when the WH was informed by Acting AG Yates that he presented a danger to the USA>
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How do we know that Flynn lied to Pence?
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Pence said Flynn did not discuss things with the Russians.
Clinton was impeached for a lie about oral sex. Donald has yet to tell the truth about ANYTHING. Do any Republicans see the difference here? I mean, really.
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"Ties to Russia" is not a bad thing. Let's face it. Many business have "ties to Russia" as do cultural organizations, families, etc. The big question is whether or not those "ties to Russia" mean colluding with them to swing an election or using them to help bring down an opponent. Further, I think we have a right to know if our President has significant "ties to Russia" that help him to profit financially or create a favorable condition whereby Russia profits from US policy. The only way to know that is to look at his tax returns. Personally, I believe there is much more to the Flynn story and to the Trump campaign's own dealings with the Russians. But frankly, I think the Ivanka/Kushner/nepotism/conflict of interest problem is much, much more serious and it requires intense scrutiny.
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The nepotism is definitely a very serious problem. It appears that Ivanka and Kushner are using their position to advance their own interests. It violates all ethics. Very dangerous for Trump to have his daughter and son-in-law right next to him and advising him. It's time for them to return to New York.
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"Let's face it. Many business have "ties to Russia" as do cultural organizations, families, etc."
Regardless if these end up being some sort of collusion, Trump's taxes would show if he has any business dealings with Russia (after repeated denials on his part) that, when investigated, could lead to money laundering charges. This, I'm surmising, is why Trump is so paranoid to avoid releasing them -- he doesn't want everyone to know he's a fraud, or worse, a crook. This would be the absolute downfall for his organization, and would bring down his family with him. That would be way too cool. Trump would be the Orange in the next season of "Orange is the New Black", now done as a reality show. Prison jumpsuits for everyone!
Regardless if these end up being some sort of collusion, Trump's taxes would show if he has any business dealings with Russia (after repeated denials on his part) that, when investigated, could lead to money laundering charges. This, I'm surmising, is why Trump is so paranoid to avoid releasing them -- he doesn't want everyone to know he's a fraud, or worse, a crook. This would be the absolute downfall for his organization, and would bring down his family with him. That would be way too cool. Trump would be the Orange in the next season of "Orange is the New Black", now done as a reality show. Prison jumpsuits for everyone!
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Regarding the number "18" in recent American history:
Not only did it take 18 days for the White House to be told about Mike Flynn and eventually fire him, but the famous gap in the Nixon tapes was 18 minutes long.
(Arlo Guthrie also pointed out that was the length of his song, "Alice's Restaurant"... ).
I do hope that yesterday's committee examines the White House counsel to find out just what happened with the Flynn information DURING those eighteen days!
Not only did it take 18 days for the White House to be told about Mike Flynn and eventually fire him, but the famous gap in the Nixon tapes was 18 minutes long.
(Arlo Guthrie also pointed out that was the length of his song, "Alice's Restaurant"... ).
I do hope that yesterday's committee examines the White House counsel to find out just what happened with the Flynn information DURING those eighteen days!
So what's the problem. We put Trump in office. What else did you expect. And the really exciting part is that there is surely more to come.
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I can only think of two reasons why Trump would have kept Flynn in spite of the warnings:
1. He is slightly paranoid and did not believe the warnings to be sincere.
2. He himself is compromised by the Russians and wanted to keep Flynn on to placate the Russians so Flynn could continue to be a foil for them.
My inclination is to believe the second reason.
1. He is slightly paranoid and did not believe the warnings to be sincere.
2. He himself is compromised by the Russians and wanted to keep Flynn on to placate the Russians so Flynn could continue to be a foil for them.
My inclination is to believe the second reason.
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Perhaps the most important point to come out of yesterday's hearing had to do with shell corporations, of which Mr. Trump has created more than his share. When asked if it is true that such corporations are often used for money-laundering, both witnesses gave a firm, unequivocal answer: "Yes."
Yet we see no action on the part of republicans to outlaw such corporations, behind which drug cartels and foreign government operatives routinely hide. And we're apparently the only major industrialized nation that hasn't done so.
Yet we see no action on the part of republicans to outlaw such corporations, behind which drug cartels and foreign government operatives routinely hide. And we're apparently the only major industrialized nation that hasn't done so.
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Sen. Graham, to his credit, wants to investigate this.
Unquestionably Obama was right: Trump is unfit to be president.
How much more evidence do we need? By the time we finally accept the fact that Trump was not the best choice it may be too late to "make America great again".
How much more evidence do we need? By the time we finally accept the fact that Trump was not the best choice it may be too late to "make America great again".
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And I am making zero progress "understanding" the Trump supporters.
Putin is the ONE person Trump praises unconditionally. He insults everyone from the Pope to Meryl Streep, but Putin he likes. And we haven't seen his tax returns. His sons have publicly admitted that the Trump dynasty is funded by Russians in large part. And now this.
Memo to Trump supporters: You idiots are taking the rest of us down with you. Can you wake up, please, and let the Democrats take back Congress so we can impeach this kleptocracy?
Putin is the ONE person Trump praises unconditionally. He insults everyone from the Pope to Meryl Streep, but Putin he likes. And we haven't seen his tax returns. His sons have publicly admitted that the Trump dynasty is funded by Russians in large part. And now this.
Memo to Trump supporters: You idiots are taking the rest of us down with you. Can you wake up, please, and let the Democrats take back Congress so we can impeach this kleptocracy?
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Wow! Then again, it's no surprise. Trump's loyalties are first to himself. Second, to his friends and blood relatives. Thirdly, to those who can provide some material benefit to one and two. So foreign powers, enemies or not, number three. Welcome to the TRUMP Very White House. We, the people? We get lip service while learn first hand what it was like to enroll in Trump University...and we didn't even have to vote for it. Guess he was lying when he took the Oaf of Office. Trump supporters say they were counting on him doing it-screwing us all. So Surprise/No Surprise.
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The media needs the gravitas to call out the partisanship of these investigatory committees. Our democracy is under assault, and the republican congressional members are distracting and focussing the investigation on leaks and "unmasking". Until this childlike behavior stops and the GOP takes the investigation seriously, our country will continue to lose credibility, our freedoms will be eroded, and we will live in a feeble illusion of a republic.
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My take as a big spy novel reader:
Flynn was a loyal advisor, aide in Trumps campaign. Loyalty is a big part of Pres. Trump's character. Trump was warned, and by being warned, and Flynn being aware of this, he was less able to be a security risk. And he could now be a valuable asset to misdirect, mislead Russians, a "double agent". Since it's probable Flynn was doing Trumps work, Trump figured he was too valuable to be fired. Only after the opposition, media kept pressure on Flynn, Trump decided loyalty, and his value as an insider, was not enough, so under the bus went Flynn.
Flynn was a loyal advisor, aide in Trumps campaign. Loyalty is a big part of Pres. Trump's character. Trump was warned, and by being warned, and Flynn being aware of this, he was less able to be a security risk. And he could now be a valuable asset to misdirect, mislead Russians, a "double agent". Since it's probable Flynn was doing Trumps work, Trump figured he was too valuable to be fired. Only after the opposition, media kept pressure on Flynn, Trump decided loyalty, and his value as an insider, was not enough, so under the bus went Flynn.
I used to be an HR manager. One day, a young woman came to me and reported sexual harassment. The person accused was put under paid leave and the matter was investigated. If a police officer shoots someone in the line of duty, that officer is put on administrative leave, and the shooting is checked out before the officer is returned to duty. In positions of trust in many areas, coaching, teaching, psychiatry, if there is a question that trust is breached, the question is addressed before the person can return to their job.
But, our NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, was allowed to remain in a position of extreme national trust for EIGHTEEN days, after the administration was notified that he was compromised. Not only that, but the White House refuses to turn over documents relating to Flynn's application for security clearance. Not only THAT, but Sean Spicer is trying to shift the blame for Flynn's hiring.
All of the above strikes me as supremely suspicious on the part of the Trump administration.
But, our NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, was allowed to remain in a position of extreme national trust for EIGHTEEN days, after the administration was notified that he was compromised. Not only that, but the White House refuses to turn over documents relating to Flynn's application for security clearance. Not only THAT, but Sean Spicer is trying to shift the blame for Flynn's hiring.
All of the above strikes me as supremely suspicious on the part of the Trump administration.
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Fiery language and clever writing. In real life though, the testimony was actually much less interesting. With the exception of Sen. John Neely Kennedy, who appears to be auditioning for the antagonist role in the next John Grisham film, the meeting was largely uneventful. Some cross between Ambien and Night Quill. Sally Yates was obviously keyed up but I think that might be a language barrier. I can't understand Sen. Grassley either.
Missing from this description is the basic partisan division that underwrites the entire investigation. Republicans tried again, in my opinion unsuccessfully, to hammer the leaked information outrage into the public psyche. James Clapper got a good laugh on this one. Meanwhile, Democrats are continuing to build a case for an independent prosecutor. Most notably Sen. Blumenthal but it's a team effort.
The time lapse and the unrelated but convenient dismissal of Ms. Yates are about the only remarkable revelations. The question now is who knows what actions the White House took in those 18 days. Get them on the stand.
Missing from this description is the basic partisan division that underwrites the entire investigation. Republicans tried again, in my opinion unsuccessfully, to hammer the leaked information outrage into the public psyche. James Clapper got a good laugh on this one. Meanwhile, Democrats are continuing to build a case for an independent prosecutor. Most notably Sen. Blumenthal but it's a team effort.
The time lapse and the unrelated but convenient dismissal of Ms. Yates are about the only remarkable revelations. The question now is who knows what actions the White House took in those 18 days. Get them on the stand.
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Why would anyone in WH agree to go before committee?
The John Grisham line actually made me crack up. Brilliant.
It's essential that Congress prevents Trump from concocting any "Wag the Dog"- type military stunts. He seems to be currently in the process of trying to escalate the dormant Afghanistan war. Even the Republican-controlled Congress should be able to see through this, and refuse funding for this misadventure. Should be able to, but probably won't.
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I am deeply disturbed by the implication made by Republican senators Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham that an employee must always follow the request of an employer, even when the request is ethically or legally questionable. This could be naivety, but it could also speak to their inexperience in the private sector. They work in the highest branches of the federal Government and perhaps they get preferential treatment. There is no legal immunity to following orders blindly, for the rest of us. The implication is disturbing though, to say the least.
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As if they can't get past their "lets set you straight now, little lady" mentality. They have no idea how low they are on the food chain.
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This is exactly how the horror of My Lai happened in Vietnam. From personal experience, you have to have a higher calling then pleasing your boss, or maybe a boss in heaven.
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Is this sn impeachable offense yet!
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Now we know...POTUS Trump is OK having Flynn serve as National Security when Trump knew Flynn could be compromised by Russia. Good to know.
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Another phony headline. Clapper has been caught lying before, and it was obvious he was lying yesterday. Yates is another Obama appointee who toes the party line. They're both pathetic.
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And what do you think, Steve, about Trump waiting so long before firing Flynn? That's a central issue that you did not address.
Can't wait to hear what 45 says when he is under oath and on the box.
This is shocking! Never in my life have I ever heard of anyone lying in order to get a job. What has this country sunken to! So just exactly how many self-righteous old white men could they fit in that hearing room yesterday?
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It's beginning to feel like Trump is not really personally invested in being president. He just swooped in for a quick profit, and will exit the stage. I'm predicting that as soon as the heat is sufficient, he just resigns, and walks away.
The question is how, or if, the GOP distances themselves from Trump, and how that dynamic plays out.
The question is how, or if, the GOP distances themselves from Trump, and how that dynamic plays out.
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Wishful thinking and be careful of what you wish for.
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The stink from the the Trump-Putin affair is getting stronger.
Time for a Special Prosecutor.
Time for a Special Prosecutor.
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Yes, but Flynn is a bigot and a conspiracy theorist, so he fit right in the Trump Administration,
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Sally Yates -
Yesterday you were my hero, and I found myself cheering "You go girl!"
What a great role model you were for women and girls around the world as a consummate professional, and a woman who would not be bullied or intimidated.
When some of the male Republican senators, including Ted Cruz with his smirking, slimy condescension (what professional woman hasn't been there and experienced something like that) started to try to chip away at your teflon credibility, you held your head up high and stood firm in your views.
Your testimony should be required viewing for all - just like the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas testimony.
Yesterday you were my hero, and I found myself cheering "You go girl!"
What a great role model you were for women and girls around the world as a consummate professional, and a woman who would not be bullied or intimidated.
When some of the male Republican senators, including Ted Cruz with his smirking, slimy condescension (what professional woman hasn't been there and experienced something like that) started to try to chip away at your teflon credibility, you held your head up high and stood firm in your views.
Your testimony should be required viewing for all - just like the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas testimony.
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The Russians must have something highly compromising on trump, which they either shared with Flynn or he came to be aware of it through his previous position that prompted Trump to bring him into the campaign and later as NSA despite serious and consistent warnings against him.
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Trump's modus operandi (MO) has been when he is being investigated or looked at for illegal activity, he creates another story of greater emotional impact to draw, what he believes, is people with short attention spans in another direction. This would include the media. It is kind of like a magic show. Keep the people's eyes on one hand while the other is manipulating the situation. The size of the new story must be bigger than the story that is being investigated otherwise the "trick" doesn't work. The Syrian air strike and the events that followed, should give you an idea of how big this Russian "takeover" of the United States Government really is.
Would Trump and his Russian team be willing to be the cause of many deaths to keep this "Russian Takeover" of the US under wraps...one word that fits both Trump and Putin...NARCISSIST!
Let me see, Putin, the wall, North Korea, Now Jackson would have stopped the Civil War.
Would Trump and his Russian team be willing to be the cause of many deaths to keep this "Russian Takeover" of the US under wraps...one word that fits both Trump and Putin...NARCISSIST!
Let me see, Putin, the wall, North Korea, Now Jackson would have stopped the Civil War.
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I am still unclear on how the blackmail supposedly works. If it is generally known, and WH staffers expressly told Flynn in the weeks before he spoke with the ambassador, that conversations with the Russian ambassador are surveilled by the US -- how does a later Russian threat to expose an inconsistency between what Flynn says publicly and a conversation the US Government already has a transcript of mean much? Seriously.
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Reading all the NYT picks comments on this story really helps illuminate the situation for me. Thanks to all of you intelligent and incisive writers!
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This goes to tell you how unscrupulous a liar Trump really is, suspect in mafia-like dealings with the Russians (Putin, that is), and then washing his hands by blaming those exposing his treachery (kill the messenger, his coward reply). Thus far, it seems that our fraudster-in-chief has more sympathy to a hostile foreign government than allegiance to his own, smacking at least borderline as treason. Trump is dangerous not only because of his incompetence but his corrupted ways.
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DJT is clearly the laziest, uniformed, disinterested and aloof individuals ever to occupy the white house. He is dangerous to the well being of the country. If only congress had the good sense to impeach, convict and remove him.
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Emerging media narrative:
Trump didn't fire Flynn when advised of his activities: Trump is very loyal. He doesn't like to fire people.
Except: Paul Manafort and Corey Levandowski.
Where does the media come up with these narratives?
Trump didn't fire Flynn when advised of his activities: Trump is very loyal. He doesn't like to fire people.
Except: Paul Manafort and Corey Levandowski.
Where does the media come up with these narratives?
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Do you not remember how long it took for Trump to let those two go?
And that the Trump campaign continued to pay lewandowski while he worked to support them on CNN?
And that the Trump campaign continued to pay lewandowski while he worked to support them on CNN?
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Seems like he switched campaign managers every few months.
And yes, for many, money buys loyalty.
PS Is Trump's loyalty to his country or to his friends?
And yes, for many, money buys loyalty.
PS Is Trump's loyalty to his country or to his friends?
Flynn, with the complicity of Trump, turned the art of diplomacy into a tawdry, inappropriate, business venture. This seems to be at the heart of the Trump administrations philosophy, to turn government purely into a profit making corporate leviathan. The apparatchiks in charge will nurture new networks and skim a bit off the top before fading from public life and exploiting their various conflicts of interest. This characterises the politics of the new millennium to date; the cultivation of personal interests and Machiavellian agendas for individual gain. Reagan/Thatcher set the ball rolling, Bush/Blair compounded the inertia, and Trump is, hopefully, the final calamitous crash.
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You forgot to include the Clintons and The Foundation in your analysis.
The Trump Administration has no heart................
Who cares, he no longer works there and 18 days seems like way too short of a period to be worried about. Now if he violated the laws the courts should be doing their jobs. Almost nobody who supports the president cares at all.
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"Mr. Spicer sought to cast doubt on Mr. Obama’s warning, noting that the Obama administration had renewed Mr. Flynn’s security clearance in April 2016, well after his departure from the D.I.A."
Strange, why the renewal after departure? Was there a governmental position, way before elections, for Flynn to hold?
Second question: Has the president a privilege to call an investigation on wrongdoing of his staff? If so, why not doing in the period from 3rd to 18th for Flynn?
Third: was the reason of firing misleading Pense or something else more dangerous, and lying was just a cover-up based on WP report?
Fourth: Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn, what was the reason?
Fifth: Obama must knew something wrongdoing. If so, why not taking a an action more than just firing?
Sixth: Obama warning, does it give an impression that Flynn was playing with Russia while head of DIA?
Strange, why the renewal after departure? Was there a governmental position, way before elections, for Flynn to hold?
Second question: Has the president a privilege to call an investigation on wrongdoing of his staff? If so, why not doing in the period from 3rd to 18th for Flynn?
Third: was the reason of firing misleading Pense or something else more dangerous, and lying was just a cover-up based on WP report?
Fourth: Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn, what was the reason?
Fifth: Obama must knew something wrongdoing. If so, why not taking a an action more than just firing?
Sixth: Obama warning, does it give an impression that Flynn was playing with Russia while head of DIA?
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21jjouesseu. Obama did Not personally reinstate Flynn. It was done automatically without his knowledge
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So, fake news of Spicer. Still the question, why reinstated after departure? I have no knowledge of that.
I was impressed with Sally Q. Yates during her short stint as Acting Attorney General. And her testimony yesterday was totally professional. I hope that she will consider running for public office. I think her legal residence is still Atlanta, Georgia. And Georgia is turning blue. What a great place to start!
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Sally Yates superb testimony was the first major legal blow to the Trump regime, and could very well be the beginning of the end of it. Instead of firing Flynn, as Yates suggested, Trump fired Yates, and kept Flynn around for 18 days, knowing full well he was compromised. Flynn had top security clearance in this period, and was only fired when the Washington Post exposed his lies. As David Gergen, former Reagan aide, commented last night, this puts Trump in "deep water".
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He was warned, nevertheless he persisted
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Treason.
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He doesn't take advice from a former President and the acting AG---but, by God he'll take advice from two fashion models ( provided they continue to tell him what he wants to hear).
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Yes, he most trusted advisors. Pathetic and outlandish.
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With any administration there would be a lapse in time between learning information about an issue like this and firing a high profile appointee. However, 18 days is too long, and was only 18 days because there was a leak. How long would Flynn have served if no information was leaked, and what does that say about our President?
What is it going to take for Republicans to stand up against Donald Trump? When will he get questioned about his lapse in judgement? Or even more important, when will Donald Trump acknowledge that the overwhelming evidence shows Russian interference in the 2016 election and in his campaign.
It's exhausting to be upset or even surprised anymore with this administration. But it's also morally wrong not to be upset.
What is it going to take for Republicans to stand up against Donald Trump? When will he get questioned about his lapse in judgement? Or even more important, when will Donald Trump acknowledge that the overwhelming evidence shows Russian interference in the 2016 election and in his campaign.
It's exhausting to be upset or even surprised anymore with this administration. But it's also morally wrong not to be upset.
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I'm sure Pence was NOT lied to by Flynn, as Pence is just as involved as all of them.
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I agree. It only broke when the Yates warning was leaked.
One reason to think that is Pence was head of the Transition Team vetting. He was warned in a letter by Elijah Cummings, he SHOULD have seen Flynn's op-ed on Turkey. Either Pence is corrupt or inept, neither is a good option.
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You're likely correct. It's all about getting and maintaining power...so they can get "their stuff done"....looking the other way at anything that might affect them keeping that power. They are either compensating their campaign donors, or schmoozing the voters. The last thing they want is any negative smudges on their self-imposed glorification. I'm afraid the actual good of the country is no longer a top priority.
What did you really learn? That you can hide political advocacy behind the words, "classified I can't discuss that in this setting."
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Strange that Yates warned Trump about Flynn twice (Obama too warned) then Trump FIRED YATES, not Flynn.
What's going on?
What's going on?
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Mr. Henry, what's going on is that we life in a democracy-cum-kakocracy. Either because the Trump supporters are too stupid to recognize his grotesque incompetence, or they are so mean that they deliberately destroyed the credibility and dignity of the Office of the Presidency because they hate "liberal elites." Either way, America is in serious trouble.
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Benedict is a inept businessman that needed a great deal of money and found that money in Russia. In return for his helping their agenda as their agent the Russians gave him money he needed. Now its payback time and the country is in treasonous trouble.
PROSECUTE RUSSIAGATE!
PROSECUTE RUSSIAGATE!
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To quote Flynn, "LOCK HIM UP!!!!!"
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Yes, lock up Flynn, and please keep going after Trump & his minions for their corrupt ways. Jared's family using his political ties to woo wealthy Chinese to pay $500,000 & get US citizenship is yet another example of how Trump & his family are enriching themselves.
While Flynn was leading his "lock her up!" chant at Trump rallies, he had already knowingly broken many laws - by taking money from Russia. Flynn did not see the conflict of his position representing Turkey, and being in Trump's administration?
How fateful that he never realized his own brazen law breaking could eventual lead to his spending time in jail.
While Flynn was leading his "lock her up!" chant at Trump rallies, he had already knowingly broken many laws - by taking money from Russia. Flynn did not see the conflict of his position representing Turkey, and being in Trump's administration?
How fateful that he never realized his own brazen law breaking could eventual lead to his spending time in jail.
If nothing else have a hearing on WHEN Russia shot to the Top of the GOPs X'mas List?
When did they BFF each other on Face Book.
When did Vladimir check the Yes Block when Trump asked; "Will you be my Friend?"?
Was it the 1st, 2nd, 3rd,... 15th request?
When did they BFF each other on Face Book.
When did Vladimir check the Yes Block when Trump asked; "Will you be my Friend?"?
Was it the 1st, 2nd, 3rd,... 15th request?
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Since Flynn knew that U.S. intelligence agencies had eavesdropped on his conversation with the Russian ambassador, it could not be used to blackmail him. Press Secretary Sean Spicer said the White House knows what Flynn told the Russian ambassador and doesn't considered it a violation of the Logan Act.
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The question is when Flynn knew about this. After the WP article? If yes then up to this point Russia could very well have blackmailed him. If the article never would have been published and Flynn not fired he would be up for blackmail still.
William Case. It is the lie he told Pence that is the blackmail issue Not any eavesdropoing!
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Consider this writing from years ago, it speaks loudly of today..............
The Movie of 1921 was “Orphans of the Storm,” by DW Griffith, with the Gish Twins.
A film of before, and during, the French revolution, of two orphans who suffer first, through the tyranny, and selfishness of Kingly bosses, nobles, and aristocrats.
After the Kings Government falls, they suffer with the rest of the people as much, through the new Government established by the pussy-footing Robespierre, through Anarchy, and Bolshevism.
Strange that both these evil Rulers were otherwise highly moral men except that they saw evil in all who did not, THINK AS THEY DID.
The lesson: The French revolution RIGHTLY over threw a Bad Government. But we in America
should be careful, lest we with a Good Government, mistake fanatics for leaders, and exchange our decent Law & Order, for Anarchy, and Bolshevism.
Please note this old axiom: Those that do not learn from the Past, are doomed to repeat it in the future.
This is exacerbated by the lack of real reporters today being replaced by Re-Iterators, who have no curiosity of proper research, or reporting.
ARE WE ON THIS PATH????
The Movie of 1921 was “Orphans of the Storm,” by DW Griffith, with the Gish Twins.
A film of before, and during, the French revolution, of two orphans who suffer first, through the tyranny, and selfishness of Kingly bosses, nobles, and aristocrats.
After the Kings Government falls, they suffer with the rest of the people as much, through the new Government established by the pussy-footing Robespierre, through Anarchy, and Bolshevism.
Strange that both these evil Rulers were otherwise highly moral men except that they saw evil in all who did not, THINK AS THEY DID.
The lesson: The French revolution RIGHTLY over threw a Bad Government. But we in America
should be careful, lest we with a Good Government, mistake fanatics for leaders, and exchange our decent Law & Order, for Anarchy, and Bolshevism.
Please note this old axiom: Those that do not learn from the Past, are doomed to repeat it in the future.
This is exacerbated by the lack of real reporters today being replaced by Re-Iterators, who have no curiosity of proper research, or reporting.
ARE WE ON THIS PATH????
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Ms. Yates never directly warned the President. She told his legal counsel, a big difference. The NYT should at least get the story headline right.
We all know going back to the Clinton period, and earlier, that a President often receives bad or no information from his people. Until we know that someone directly told the President, you have to assume he did not know. It worked for Clinton, it should work for Trump.
We all know going back to the Clinton period, and earlier, that a President often receives bad or no information from his people. Until we know that someone directly told the President, you have to assume he did not know. It worked for Clinton, it should work for Trump.
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Spicer already admitted to being warned, saying:
“[Trump] instinctively thought that General Flynn did not do anything wrong, and the White House counsel’s review corroborated that.”
“The president asked them to commit a review of whether there was a legal situation there. That was immediately determined there wasn’t.”
“[Trump] instinctively thought that General Flynn did not do anything wrong, and the White House counsel’s review corroborated that.”
“The president asked them to commit a review of whether there was a legal situation there. That was immediately determined there wasn’t.”
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Nice try. Not going to work.
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...and we are hearing that Trump does not take bad news very well. So, maybe it didn't get passed up to him?
I want to know what the Trump administration was doing and thinking for the 18 days after being presented with this information. It appears they would have kept Flynn in the administration indefinitely, had it not been for the report by the Washington Post. Maybe because they were too embarrassed to admit Obama was right? Is national security not an important enough issue?
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The Russians elected Trump, not the American people who have been punked.
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The Trump Administration's response to Obama and Yates on this matter reminds me of the warnings the Bush II Administration received from the Clinton White House about Al Quaida when they first came in: "These Dems don't know what they're doing, and they're just trying to play some kind of politics with us. Sore losers"
As the years go by, it's looking more and more like the Republicans just don't know how national security works. But they sure have a lot of bark.
As the years go by, it's looking more and more like the Republicans just don't know how national security works. But they sure have a lot of bark.
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Run Sally Run.
This older white male has a new hero.
This older white male has a new hero.
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Maybe if the free press and the public keep up the pressure we may expose this adminstration in a worse than watergate scandal.
The senate has enough information to expose the Russia election collusion, sadly the GOP will do everything to obstruct and proctect their interest, NOT THE NATIONS!!!!
The senate has enough information to expose the Russia election collusion, sadly the GOP will do everything to obstruct and proctect their interest, NOT THE NATIONS!!!!
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As with Watergate or Iran-Contra, there is no news story or revealed fact that leads AWAY from a cover-up.
The train is rolling down the tracks. and the GOP is about to be run out of town,
The train is rolling down the tracks. and the GOP is about to be run out of town,
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We can only hope.
but there are no more people like woodward and berstein to doggedly pursue the story
the press now live in fear of trump
We will know a lot more about the President's prejudices and rational regarding Flynn, if and when his income tax filings are ever released. In the meantime he will have his critics flying in the dark and with the three branches of government covering his backside. He has chosen the oligarchical model for his personal style of government which is already bordering on a mass kleptocracy that might span 20 time zones.
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Why the constant emphasis on Flynn lying to Pence, just because Pence told the public that Flynn didn't discuss sanctions with the Russians. It appears that everyone in the Trump administration is lying. Why should Pence be the exception? We really have no idea what Flynn told Pence. We only know that Flynn was sacrificed by Trump while cover was given to Pence.
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Ms. Campbell, you raise an excellent point. Trump is a compulsive liar, but people expected Pence to tell the truth. I think it reveals that we have allowed Trump's habitual lying to be the "new normal."
Question no one seems to be asking:
Why is Kysliak willing to talk on the phone w any of these people given that he knows for sure that all his phones are tapped??
Wouldn't he be better off cutting them off politely and suggesting to chat on some social occasion?
Everyone involved knows that they are most likely being listened in on, and yet they talk??
Why? How come?
Why is Kysliak willing to talk on the phone w any of these people given that he knows for sure that all his phones are tapped??
Wouldn't he be better off cutting them off politely and suggesting to chat on some social occasion?
Everyone involved knows that they are most likely being listened in on, and yet they talk??
Why? How come?
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Not only are they duplicitous and traitorous they are also very very stupid people. Mr Kislyak was just doing his job of compromising Americans in high places.
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We have a rogue administration starting from the top. TIme to clean house!
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If Hillary's emails constituted a scandal, then it would seem that a far bigger scandal would be INTENTIONALLY appointing a National Security Adviser who was loyal to and paid by foreign powers and who had been fired and repudiated by our own government.
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It was not just 18 days before Trump fired Flynn. The issue is that push came to shove once the WP put out their story. So the question is why Trump would have been willing to hold on to Flynn ad infinitum- obviously longer than what turned out to be 18 days? Why had he no concerns whatsoever about a person in a major position with ties to Russia? He had more concerns about getting Sally Yates off his back rather quickly than Flynn. How long would Flynn have clung on? And now for DT to continue to try to deflect the probes into this matter- it does raise the obvious red flags, not to mention underline the stupidity of DT, so ill-suited to govern, so illiterate, so insensitive, so crass, so dumb. I despair that our electorate and system allow such a dimwit and a liar to take the highest position in the world, not to mention allowing a President not to have to abide by the same laws as the people he governs (show your taxes!). Let's hope these probes get the independent prosecutor they deserve and we get to the true bottom of all this. Keep up the good work, real media (and keep following the money)!
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Sally Yates, a native of Georgia, displayed dignity and grace answering questions from the Senate hearing. Aside from that there is something of greater importance that came from the hearing. Sally Yates is now a well-known national figure. Smart, articulate, served as Deputy Attorney General of the United States, and is now being recruited by the Democrats in Georgia to run for Governor.
We so desperately need candidates like Sally Yates to run for key positions throughout the country. Georgia is ever so slowly turning “Blue”, and individuals like Ms. Yates will help to accelerate that change.
We so desperately need candidates like Sally Yates to run for key positions throughout the country. Georgia is ever so slowly turning “Blue”, and individuals like Ms. Yates will help to accelerate that change.
Why oh why is Trump in office and why hasn't this entire election been invalidated? Everything about it has been bad.
I'm a little confused. If everybody in the Administration knew he had lied about talking to the Russians, what was the blackmail leverage? (Assuming Flynn knew that everyone knew.)
He should have been dumped either way, of course. As should the many other incompetent people who have been appointed.
He should have been dumped either way, of course. As should the many other incompetent people who have been appointed.
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I imagine an extremely intelligent and articulate woman like Sally Yates scared the you know what out of the white men brigade headed by Trump. So what to do? Fire her. She not only knew too much, but was not afraid to do the right thing, the opposite of what the Trump Administration does and will do.
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In the world of Donald Trump, who is barely past the toddler stage emotionally, the reasons for ignoring advice about Mr. Flynn are simple:
"I ain't gonna and you can't make me."
"I ain't gonna and you can't make me."
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This hearing clearly showed how the American people lost a well credentialed, highly ethical career prosecutor, Sally Yates.
Trump issues a Muslim travel ban yet demands her subordinates not tell her about it, leaving Yates to hear about it via the news.
Yates warns Trump that Flynn's Russian connections make him subject to bribery for lying to the VP.
Trump fires Yates. His ego can't stand a woman telling him something he doesn't want to hear. That's been his M.O. for decades.
Trump issues a Muslim travel ban yet demands her subordinates not tell her about it, leaving Yates to hear about it via the news.
Yates warns Trump that Flynn's Russian connections make him subject to bribery for lying to the VP.
Trump fires Yates. His ego can't stand a woman telling him something he doesn't want to hear. That's been his M.O. for decades.
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For whose interests and values were Michael Flynn and Donald Trump working before the Presidential election, after the Presidential election and after taking the Presidential Oath of Office?
What did Trump know about Michael Flynn's activities and when did he know them?
What should Trump have known about Michael Flynn's activities and when should he have known about them?
What did Trump know about Michael Flynn's activities and when did he know them?
What should Trump have known about Michael Flynn's activities and when should he have known about them?
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How the Trump regime has the temerity to blame Obama for their misdeeds appointing then keeping Flynn onboard despite warnings from the former President and from Yates is consistent with their behavior generally. Arrogant, refusing to take advice, retaliatory, unable to see and uncaring about the consequences of their actions for this country, and utterly, utterly unqualified to lead this great country. Republicans, for heaven's sake, act!
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The GOP is going to protect this president to keep their power. It appears that they don't really care what the Russians did to put their boy in the White House or what they are doing now to control our government. Sally Yates' testimony, in fact the woman herself, is one of the few things that has given me any hope in the past few weeks. No wonder Trump did not want her to testify. She is everything that he is not=honest, principled, intelligent, patriotic, loyal, and unshakable.
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"... President Trump did not immediately fire the adviser, Michael T. Flynn, over the apparent lie or the susceptibility to blackmail. Instead, Mr. Flynn remained in office for 18 more days. Only after the news of his false statements broke publicly did he lose his job on Feb. 13."
Already much has been said and written about that mysterious 18-day interval. Unsurprisingly, I'm reminded of the famous erased interval of 18 1/2 minutes in that Nixon-Haldeman taped conversation back in June, 1972, which, of course, came to be seen as part of a classic cover up largely exposed via Deepthroat's "leaks".
By analogy, "cover up" is beginning to smell like the operative words in the current Trumpian saga.
Already much has been said and written about that mysterious 18-day interval. Unsurprisingly, I'm reminded of the famous erased interval of 18 1/2 minutes in that Nixon-Haldeman taped conversation back in June, 1972, which, of course, came to be seen as part of a classic cover up largely exposed via Deepthroat's "leaks".
By analogy, "cover up" is beginning to smell like the operative words in the current Trumpian saga.
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These "hearings" remind me of the bridge to nowhere. Is anyone on this committee sincerely interested in anything more than scoring political points? It would not seem so. Likewise this article and many of the comments. All this "resist" stuff might make some feel less hurt after disappointing election results but they accomplish little else. Let's remove these folks from office starting with our own. Let's demand more competent appointments too. Let's end "hearings" where the only answer is " that's classified". Classified from whom, Clapper and Yates? Oh, from those of us who paid you? So what if Yates punched Cruz or if Cruz punched Yates. If you want to watch a good fight try a tape of Ali vs. Frazier where at least some talent was on display.
There are no questions about Trump's judgment. We knew his decision making regarding appointments would be based on who fed his ego. Flynn supported and flattered him and had been fired by President Obama, therefore Flynn was a "good guy" who deserved a high level position. Decision making, Trump style.
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If nothing else, Trump is loyal to those he perceives to be in his corner and loyal to him. While I find fault with his judgement and intelligence, his personal loyalty is admirable however, our government can't be run on the basis of personal loyalty.
What bothers me more than anything else about this latest caper is that Trump is trying to pass the buck to Obama and his administration via his Twitter messages. That Flynn had a some degree of security clearance or not isn't relevant to the fact that Trump ignored Obama's direct warning. Then he ignored the warning by Yates. This behavior leads me to think that Trump is up to his neck in this Russian meddling with the election. I truly wish that Congress would grow a backbone and investigate.
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The logic works better if you replace Trump stuck with Flynn after two warnings "despite ties to Russia" with "because of ties to Russia." Trump is a salesman not a planner, and Manafort put the team together while colluding with the Russians who had been paying his "consulting" fees and giving him "loans." It makes more sense that Flynn was part of the package deal that Trump had agreed to.
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I was glued to the television set, waiting for Sally Yates' testimony. I expected the content to be illuminating, and it was. What I did not expect was the impressiveness of Ms. Yates herself. Throughout her testimony, I kept feeling that this person had the qualities -- the intellect, the analytical ability, the calmness, the honesty, the warmth and the sense of humor -- to be an excellent President. I was blown away by her and hope that she will run for high office in the not-too-distant future.
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The amazing thing about both Clapper and Yates are their professionalism and dedication to duty. Some Republicans at the hearing and Trump himself look small by comparison.
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Me too. Go Ms. Yates.
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I agree about the way Ms. Yates conducted herself. She was smarter and more knowledgeable than the "brainy" Ted Cruz. None of the Republican Senators could lay a glove on her testimony nor could they score any points with "their " agendas.
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But there will be no ramifications for Trump, nothing will come of this. It's just another brick in the wall of lies, corruption and incompetence.
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McGahn wasn't concerned about Flynn's lying any more than lying by other shady politicians he has defended. It is the currency of the Republican Party. Tom DeLay, the young Illinois congressman, and others. Examine his activity on the Federal Election Committee and other activities. This is why it's called a legal system, not a justice system.
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Trump may not have been concerned because in his experience collusion with Russians was a common practice.
Trump's tax returns will eventually reveal lots of Russian money in his projects.(Or money impossible to trace)
Trump's tax returns will eventually reveal lots of Russian money in his projects.(Or money impossible to trace)
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Mr. Trump is proving himself day-in-day-out how clueless, incompetent he is.
If a man can't comprehend about Bush's metaphor of the Oval Office has no corners to hide - he literally takes it in that form.
How could we expect him to act any differently of Yates warning to the White House?
I believe there is a golden shower videotape exist - no matter what - Putin has upper hand with this tape.
If a man can't comprehend about Bush's metaphor of the Oval Office has no corners to hide - he literally takes it in that form.
How could we expect him to act any differently of Yates warning to the White House?
I believe there is a golden shower videotape exist - no matter what - Putin has upper hand with this tape.
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Fool me once...
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Or ... maybe Trump was encouraged by Putin to keep Flynn on board ...?
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Missing from all of this is "who profits from the Trump administration ties to Putin Russia?" Trump profits because he gets help from the Russian hacking for being elected. Putin profits because Trump policies reverses Obama policies of investing in renewable energy, and promotes US energy dependence on fossil fuel for many more years. Trump family company profits because of his (still hidden ) financial connections to Russians oil oligarchs. Makes sense? Come on Trump, show us your taxes...
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Trump is sounding more and more like Richard Nixon with each passing day.
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Nixon, however was a crafty, intelligent and unethical individual who had a smart, if arrogant team supporting him. He knew how to game the political system. The Donald just lies about everything, his support group (Spicer, Conway, etc.) distorts the truth, hoping it will just go away.
I think we all have to agree that the Senate and House Republicans will let the United States be destroyed, rather than investigate Trump and his cohort. They have absolutely no courage or character. Therefore, the way forward is clear.
ORGANIZE AND VOTE IN 2018 & 2020!!!
Only then will we learn the truth and be able to rebuild our society.
ORGANIZE AND VOTE IN 2018 & 2020!!!
Only then will we learn the truth and be able to rebuild our society.
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Why is our so-called president NOT following the code of conduct of most presidents so shocking? He as been doing this for over 100 days now! He has flaunted every tradition, treaty, treasured alliances with gusto. He, obviously, does not care one whit what anyone expects of him, whether things are lawful, nor the consequences of his actions. He holds it all in contempt, as he does just what he pleases and when he pleases, tweeting out lies continuously and boasting them at rallies. For the sake of our people, our country and the world, we must put a STOP to this. Thank-you Sally Yates and Mr. Clapper for standing up to this bully-in-chief! We are praying for you and many more like you to put an end to this hostage of our country to Trump and his 1% club. This is NOT who we are, although I am more and more convinced that for many Republican senators, this is exactly who they are and have been. They've just been "unmasked" for who they were all along.
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Isn't it strange that Republicans 5 to 6 years ago defended Romney's claim that Russia was our biggest adversary and security threat as if they believed it, but today have no problem with Russia acting on that reputation and even infiltrating the White House?
Then again, it's just another example of their peerless hypocrisy.
Remember how President Obama was the one maligned as the "Liar-in-Chief," "Golfer-in-Chief," and "Campaigner-in-Chief"? Those are the only three things that Trump outdoes President Obama in.
Or how people who didn't shoulder enough of the tax burden were "leeches" and "moochers," but Trump is now King Leech?
And remember how they were fiscally responsible and were alarmed by the national debt?
Then again, it's just another example of their peerless hypocrisy.
Remember how President Obama was the one maligned as the "Liar-in-Chief," "Golfer-in-Chief," and "Campaigner-in-Chief"? Those are the only three things that Trump outdoes President Obama in.
Or how people who didn't shoulder enough of the tax burden were "leeches" and "moochers," but Trump is now King Leech?
And remember how they were fiscally responsible and were alarmed by the national debt?
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More fake news! As soon as Yates told the trump administration about Flynn lying the possibility of blackmail (if it ever existed) was gone. How do you blackmail somebody over something that everybody already knows?
Trump was correct to give Flynn the benefit of the doubt and 18 days is not too long a time to determine the facts.
Trump was correct to give Flynn the benefit of the doubt and 18 days is not too long a time to determine the facts.
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Um, not "everyone" knew about it. Only the administration did. It was only when it was made public that he was fired. The possibility of blackmail continued to exist.
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This was Spicer's comment regarding first being warned by Yates:
“He instinctively thought that General Flynn did not do anything wrong, and the White House counsel’s review corroborated that.”
“The president asked them to commit a review of whether there was a legal situation there. That was immediately determined there wasn’t.”
They thought they knew better. They only called foul and fired Flynn because his misdeeds started to go public.
Thank GOD for whoever leaked this to the press.
“He instinctively thought that General Flynn did not do anything wrong, and the White House counsel’s review corroborated that.”
“The president asked them to commit a review of whether there was a legal situation there. That was immediately determined there wasn’t.”
They thought they knew better. They only called foul and fired Flynn because his misdeeds started to go public.
Thank GOD for whoever leaked this to the press.
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WE didn't know. The blackmail could have extended to the entire administration that you claimed was in on it but took no action. I guess the Washington Post did the Trump administration and the people a favor by removing that threat.
And then there is what you don't know that could be leverage.
However the possibility of blackmail is not the crux and defending it is simply a deflection from the larger issue of influence on the national security of the United States from foreign sources that while openly peaceful have been holding a hostile hand behind their back.
And then there is what you don't know that could be leverage.
However the possibility of blackmail is not the crux and defending it is simply a deflection from the larger issue of influence on the national security of the United States from foreign sources that while openly peaceful have been holding a hostile hand behind their back.
I believe Flynn discussed sanctions with Kislyak because he was under orders to do so. The whole gang is in with Putin.
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How about some objective evidence that you are living in some alternative reality. We sent cruise missiles into Syria, at the UN we gave them a very hard time, nobody is in it with Putin, they would like to get along but if not well.
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"I believe." Not "I know." It's called an opinion.
They are all involved....it has to do with $$$ follow the money
Successfully gerrymandered, feeling secure, the entire GOP congress is hushed and wordless about the massive faux pas of Donald Trump. He can do no wrong, hear no wrong, see no wrong--his the perfect Presidency which abides in lies and cover-ups at every turn, putting his ego above the national interest, his narcissism placing the country at risk.
The new war is a war of attitudes--evidence has been thrown out! It is a war not over policy but spoils and power. Trump and Republicans steer the country with three levers: repression (fights against rights, including voting and healthcare), oppression (denial of liberty by tightening authority and undoing regulation), and exclusion (removing diversity from power, defying popular voices, disregarding evidence and facts--seen in the all white, all male Senate health committee McConnell appointed).
Trump brings something new to the table: the insistence that Russia and Putin have a seat at the American table no matter how much mischief they have caused, no matter the global damage they engage, no matter the domestic repression aimed at Putin's opponents or challenges to his ideas.
Trump has submitted America to a country whose economy is the size of Spain (its GDP declined last year!), a warmonger, territory thief, a military force that crosses borders, murder of civilians, country of socialist billionaires.
Wealth and power drive the love; from which his irrevocable infallibility refuses to budge.
The new war is a war of attitudes--evidence has been thrown out! It is a war not over policy but spoils and power. Trump and Republicans steer the country with three levers: repression (fights against rights, including voting and healthcare), oppression (denial of liberty by tightening authority and undoing regulation), and exclusion (removing diversity from power, defying popular voices, disregarding evidence and facts--seen in the all white, all male Senate health committee McConnell appointed).
Trump brings something new to the table: the insistence that Russia and Putin have a seat at the American table no matter how much mischief they have caused, no matter the global damage they engage, no matter the domestic repression aimed at Putin's opponents or challenges to his ideas.
Trump has submitted America to a country whose economy is the size of Spain (its GDP declined last year!), a warmonger, territory thief, a military force that crosses borders, murder of civilians, country of socialist billionaires.
Wealth and power drive the love; from which his irrevocable infallibility refuses to budge.
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Russia is hostile to the US, its friends and allies. Russia's overall goal is to weaken NATO, Europe and the US so that it can pursue its goals without fear of intervention, diplomatically or otherwise. Russia interfered in the past election through "active measures": hacking, targeted release of information, exploitation of the media and more than likely substantial campaign donations. Many would call that level of "active measures" an act of war.
The intelligence community is on high alert.
But the White House is, at best, indifferent to Russian hostile acts. We see this in its dealings with Flynn.
The White House argues that Flynn was vetted by the Obama Administration, so it didn't have to do anything further. A case of Extreme Non-Vetting?
Yet Obama personally advised against hiring Flynn. And the Acting Attorney General as soon as she is apprised of information about Flynn's compromising conduct with Russia calls for a meeting with the White House Counsel to explain in detail the concerns about Flynn.
And still Trump retains Flynn for another 18 days and releases him only after the Washington Post runs a story.
On its own, the Flynn narrative should raise concerns about the competence of the White House.
But coupled with the White House's studied indifference to Russian cyberattacks and active measure, perhaps the issue of competence is not the only problem. There is something very strange afoot.
The intelligence community is on high alert.
But the White House is, at best, indifferent to Russian hostile acts. We see this in its dealings with Flynn.
The White House argues that Flynn was vetted by the Obama Administration, so it didn't have to do anything further. A case of Extreme Non-Vetting?
Yet Obama personally advised against hiring Flynn. And the Acting Attorney General as soon as she is apprised of information about Flynn's compromising conduct with Russia calls for a meeting with the White House Counsel to explain in detail the concerns about Flynn.
And still Trump retains Flynn for another 18 days and releases him only after the Washington Post runs a story.
On its own, the Flynn narrative should raise concerns about the competence of the White House.
But coupled with the White House's studied indifference to Russian cyberattacks and active measure, perhaps the issue of competence is not the only problem. There is something very strange afoot.
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President Obama should have recommended Flynn to Trump. Child Psychology!
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Yates for President!
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Is anyone surprised at the pitiful pushback by Trump and his Republican stooges against Sally Yates (I'm looking at you Mr. Cornyn and Mr. Cruz)? Ms. Yates, a 26 year career government employee at the DOJ, who has served both Republican and Democratic administrations, was the one who got fired by the man in the White House, instead of Michael Flynn. If the story hadn't been revealed by the Washington Post, Flynn would still be there.
And who is buying the story that VP Pence was "lied" to and didn't have a clue? Mr. Flynn was not going to survive so he was thrown under the bus to save Mr. Pence.
The Republican Party has lost all credibility to protect and defend the United States. They are more concerned with going after the leakers who revealed the traitors in the White House than what the president and his men knew and when did they know it. If Republicans continue to see their job as protectors of Trump rather than protecters of the United States, they will find themselves on the wrong side of this scandal.
And who is buying the story that VP Pence was "lied" to and didn't have a clue? Mr. Flynn was not going to survive so he was thrown under the bus to save Mr. Pence.
The Republican Party has lost all credibility to protect and defend the United States. They are more concerned with going after the leakers who revealed the traitors in the White House than what the president and his men knew and when did they know it. If Republicans continue to see their job as protectors of Trump rather than protecters of the United States, they will find themselves on the wrong side of this scandal.
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NOT just protectors of the United States, but protectors of facts and truth....
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"The Republican Party has lost all credibility to protect and defend the United States."
Doris, this has been gradually happening since St. Ronald the Dimwitted.
Doris, this has been gradually happening since St. Ronald the Dimwitted.
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Robert Reich offers a very interesting explanation - “The likeliest explanation for this sequence of events is Trump ordered Flynn to call Kislyak on December 29 in order to assure the Russians that Trump was behind them and grateful for their hacking, despite Obama’s retaliation."
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There is another possible explanation of Trump's behavior: his contempt for Obama and everything Obama-related. And I can't help wondering whether this is based on anything more than the humiliation to which Obama subjected the thin-skinned Trump at the White House Correspondent's dinner. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4.
I find it wholly unsurprising that after Obama advised him to cut Flynn loose, Trump determined to do the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4.
I find it wholly unsurprising that after Obama advised him to cut Flynn loose, Trump determined to do the opposite.
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Plus, Trump would love that Flynn was a general willing to publicly support hm.
BUT, that of course means Trump was a massive dupe who not only allowed a Russian operative (Trump repeatedly referred to his support among generals, with Flynn at the top of the list), and was a General willing to lead cheers of "Lock Her Up," which also means that Trump became complicit when he looked the other way after finding out Flynn was dirty.
BUT, that of course means Trump was a massive dupe who not only allowed a Russian operative (Trump repeatedly referred to his support among generals, with Flynn at the top of the list), and was a General willing to lead cheers of "Lock Her Up," which also means that Trump became complicit when he looked the other way after finding out Flynn was dirty.
All i know is that any Democratic president who would have people like Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Corey Lewindowski, on their staff would be already impeached, and probably awaiting federal trial and eventual jail time...
When the dust settles, all this stuff going on with Trump's people will make Watergate look like jaywalking....
When the dust settles, all this stuff going on with Trump's people will make Watergate look like jaywalking....
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Here's the initial cover-up from Spicey about how Trump supposedly knows better, due in part to his infallible instincts:
“He instinctively thought that General Flynn did not do anything wrong, and the White House counsel’s review corroborated that.”
“The president asked them to commit a review of whether there was a legal situation there. That was immediately determined there wasn’t.”
Trump has the benefit of legal and spy agencies to inform him, yet he is too lazy to use them, instead "governing" on instincts informed by his puppet masters: the self-serving propagandists, billionaire Rupert Murdoch and dictator Vladimir Putin.
“He instinctively thought that General Flynn did not do anything wrong, and the White House counsel’s review corroborated that.”
“The president asked them to commit a review of whether there was a legal situation there. That was immediately determined there wasn’t.”
Trump has the benefit of legal and spy agencies to inform him, yet he is too lazy to use them, instead "governing" on instincts informed by his puppet masters: the self-serving propagandists, billionaire Rupert Murdoch and dictator Vladimir Putin.
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Honestly, no one outside of the Brooklyn Bubble gives a flip about Flynn. He was fired. Move on. Do you really think that whether or not he should have been fired two weeks earlier is an issue of the same magnitude as, say, healthcare, tax reform, the economy, etc.? Please, get a grip!
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We heard that same logic throughout the Watergate scandal.
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Anne. May I ask. Did you think Clinton's emails were of the same magnitued as, say, healthcare, tax reform, the economy, etc?
Might I also ask if you believe that Flynn would have been fired, even if news hadn't have leaked about Yate's trip to the White House?
I fully agree with you, though. Mr. Trump's administration is truly a distraction from the duties of our government to work for the people.
Might I also ask if you believe that Flynn would have been fired, even if news hadn't have leaked about Yate's trip to the White House?
I fully agree with you, though. Mr. Trump's administration is truly a distraction from the duties of our government to work for the people.
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I'm not in the "Brooklyn Bubble" and I care about Flynn and our compromised position vis-a-vis Russia. I also care about healthcare, tax reform, the economy, and many other issues.
I am curious as to whether you also said "move on" regarding the dozens of Benghazi hearings during the last administration, when we also had other things to worry about. Or were those different somehow?
I am curious as to whether you also said "move on" regarding the dozens of Benghazi hearings during the last administration, when we also had other things to worry about. Or were those different somehow?
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Is it any wonder that Trump ignored Yates and others about Flynn? The Trump administration is an administration of misfits. It's a game of opposites. Instead of finding the best person for the job Trump has purposely nominated misfits and fools like DeVos, Carson, Perry, Bannon, Flynn, and Sessions are just a few of the circus clowns. He holds court with conspiracy theorists, religious nuts, and racists and has denigrated the office of the presidency into a disgraceful joke. There has never been a more unqualified and ideologically perverted group of people in charge of the wellbeing of this nation.
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A. These hearings illustrate the incredible poor judgement of Trump and his team, who represent a party that alleges to be all about national security and the safety of the US. Apparently the Russian government and Mr. Putin interfering in US elections are not a threat but refugees seeking asylum into the US are.
B. Senator Cornyn from Texas actively supported spending millions of dollars and months of legislative time on the Benghazi hearings surrounding Hillary Clinton even though those hearings yielded no new evidence. However, in the case of Mr. FLynn potentiallly being a security threat to the US through his Russian associations, Mr. Cornyn (and Mr. Cruz) have been attempting to discredit Sally Yates and stop these hearings as quickly as possible to prevent any additional damaging evidence being made public. How hypocrical is THAT? It convinces me that they both know there is a "smoking gun" and that they are determined to hide it at all costs. Ethics be damned.
These are prime examples of good old boys protecting the status quo using the same sleazy tactics they've used in the past. In this case they underestimated the intelligence of Ms. Yates and grossly overestimated the intelligence of themselves.
B. Senator Cornyn from Texas actively supported spending millions of dollars and months of legislative time on the Benghazi hearings surrounding Hillary Clinton even though those hearings yielded no new evidence. However, in the case of Mr. FLynn potentiallly being a security threat to the US through his Russian associations, Mr. Cornyn (and Mr. Cruz) have been attempting to discredit Sally Yates and stop these hearings as quickly as possible to prevent any additional damaging evidence being made public. How hypocrical is THAT? It convinces me that they both know there is a "smoking gun" and that they are determined to hide it at all costs. Ethics be damned.
These are prime examples of good old boys protecting the status quo using the same sleazy tactics they've used in the past. In this case they underestimated the intelligence of Ms. Yates and grossly overestimated the intelligence of themselves.
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All of this proves that either a) Trump is a bumbling idiot, not competent to be Pres of our country, or b) that he knew about the discussion with Russia of sanctions; there is no c).
I, and other commenters, find ourselves questioning why nothing is apparently being done, or if and when something will be.
Perhaps NYT could provide us with an in-depth article on the procedures which are at play or are possible; when the ongoing investigations are likely to emerge and take action, what would constitute treasonous actions or impeachable offences, where the White House ethics process comes in, ...
I've kept a list of all the questionable and wrongful actions by this administration, mostly just brief notes each day; the list is now over 40 pages. That there are huge ethical and legal problems in the White House is no longer a question. The question I and many others have is WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL OF THIS? Perhaps NYT can help us understand what's possible or likely.
I, and other commenters, find ourselves questioning why nothing is apparently being done, or if and when something will be.
Perhaps NYT could provide us with an in-depth article on the procedures which are at play or are possible; when the ongoing investigations are likely to emerge and take action, what would constitute treasonous actions or impeachable offences, where the White House ethics process comes in, ...
I've kept a list of all the questionable and wrongful actions by this administration, mostly just brief notes each day; the list is now over 40 pages. That there are huge ethical and legal problems in the White House is no longer a question. The question I and many others have is WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL OF THIS? Perhaps NYT can help us understand what's possible or likely.
The most likely explanation why Flynn was allowed to stay as NAS is that Trump was too dim to understand the implications of what Sally Yates was warning him about.
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"Twice Warned, Trump Stuck by Flynn Despite Ties to Russia."
Despite, or because of?
Despite, or because of?
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The Trump-Russia connections are not a 'total hoax' and not the fault of Obama.
General Flynn, knowing better, was playing foot loose and fancy free with Russia and Turkey while also acting as National Security Advisor to President Trump.
They were/are best buddies from the campaign trail leading chants and stirring the angry mob.
Was Flynn the campaign contact with Russia coordinating the timing of the leaks? Did Flynn broker a deal regarding use of hacked emails for getting rid of sanctions? Flynn certainly thought he was a mover and shaker. Did he act on his own or did Trump know what he was up to?
Why did Trump decide that Flynn was going to be the sacrificial lamb? Is Trump 'giving' authorities Flynn to hide other dirty tricks? There is growing interest in the connections between Mr. Mercer, Steve Bannon and their company Cambridge Analytica. Does Cambridge Analytica do 'business' with Wikileaks?
Why was Nigel Farrage hanging around the Trump campaign and visiting Julian Assange? Was Cambridge Analytica involved in trolling the internet during the Brexit campaign of Mr. Farrage?
Mr. Mercer's money was very important to the Trump campaign as they paid for Steve Bannon. The Mercer's still influence the Trump administration big time suggesting policy and personnel choices.
Is Trump using Flynn to cover for the Mercer's still secret internet influence during the campaign?
General Flynn, knowing better, was playing foot loose and fancy free with Russia and Turkey while also acting as National Security Advisor to President Trump.
They were/are best buddies from the campaign trail leading chants and stirring the angry mob.
Was Flynn the campaign contact with Russia coordinating the timing of the leaks? Did Flynn broker a deal regarding use of hacked emails for getting rid of sanctions? Flynn certainly thought he was a mover and shaker. Did he act on his own or did Trump know what he was up to?
Why did Trump decide that Flynn was going to be the sacrificial lamb? Is Trump 'giving' authorities Flynn to hide other dirty tricks? There is growing interest in the connections between Mr. Mercer, Steve Bannon and their company Cambridge Analytica. Does Cambridge Analytica do 'business' with Wikileaks?
Why was Nigel Farrage hanging around the Trump campaign and visiting Julian Assange? Was Cambridge Analytica involved in trolling the internet during the Brexit campaign of Mr. Farrage?
Mr. Mercer's money was very important to the Trump campaign as they paid for Steve Bannon. The Mercer's still influence the Trump administration big time suggesting policy and personnel choices.
Is Trump using Flynn to cover for the Mercer's still secret internet influence during the campaign?
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It seems that as they are getting closer and closer to the heart of the Flynn - and Russian interference - matter, the "who cares?" crowd is getting more and more vocal. Why? Because they voted for this President and still cling to the belief that he is going to Make America Great Again, despite all evidence that the slogan should be Make The Trump Organization Great Again While Helping Out The Russians We Owe Money To...
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To me, there is absolutely no doubt about this: the question “Why does it matter to D.O.J. if one White House official lies to another White House official?” to Sally Yates on her second visit with Don McGahn came directly from someone high up in the White House, very likely Trump himself.
I believe it is only a matter of time before this whole Russian mess is explained. This is what I believe we will eventually learn: when Trump's financial situation was collapsing after his casino bankruptcies, and no reputable banks would lend him money, he rebuilt his finances on the back of Russian capital. I believe at least some of this Russian capital was illicit, money that was being laundered through Trump's organization. This is Trump's dark secret: his financial empire was saved by dirty Russian money. Trump never dreamed he would actually win the election, so he never really feared that any of this would be made public, so long as he avoided releasing his taxes during the campaign. Now this situation has changed, and this secret must remain so. This explains why Trump is so vehement about not releasing his taxes. It also explains why he deflects so desperately every time Mike Flynn or Russian connections are mentioned in a critical way in public. NOTHING is as sacred to Trump as his money, and he knows that a public examination of how he saved his financial situation will reveal him for the fraud he really is. He will never willingly allow that.
I believe it is only a matter of time before this whole Russian mess is explained. This is what I believe we will eventually learn: when Trump's financial situation was collapsing after his casino bankruptcies, and no reputable banks would lend him money, he rebuilt his finances on the back of Russian capital. I believe at least some of this Russian capital was illicit, money that was being laundered through Trump's organization. This is Trump's dark secret: his financial empire was saved by dirty Russian money. Trump never dreamed he would actually win the election, so he never really feared that any of this would be made public, so long as he avoided releasing his taxes during the campaign. Now this situation has changed, and this secret must remain so. This explains why Trump is so vehement about not releasing his taxes. It also explains why he deflects so desperately every time Mike Flynn or Russian connections are mentioned in a critical way in public. NOTHING is as sacred to Trump as his money, and he knows that a public examination of how he saved his financial situation will reveal him for the fraud he really is. He will never willingly allow that.
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I appreciate your analysis. It all fits very well with what we have seen (and not seen). I hope that you are proven correct.
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This is so plain to see! Thank you for laying it out so well.
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What a wonderful fantasy. The Manchurian Candidate lives! But maybe, just maybe ....
Yates' testimony shows Trump's character in clear relief. He's been a liar and con man all his life. He didn't care that a member of his administration might be lying to Congress, or to other members of his administration. What's the big deal? That's something that Trump does each and every day, and has for the last 50 years.
No, the only thing that's troubling for Trump is that someone shone a light on his little pack of lies. As Lincoln said, "What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself."
No, the only thing that's troubling for Trump is that someone shone a light on his little pack of lies. As Lincoln said, "What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself."
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The 18 day delay could be nothing more that Trump and his cronies deciding how to 'cover up' the Russian problem. It took 18 days to decide that Flynn would be given up and get the rest of their story straight. Who knows how many people had to be contacted, how many documents 'lost' and what the press would be told.
No matter what eventually comes to light or not, Trump owns this 100%.
The Obama blame game is lame and obvious.
No matter what eventually comes to light or not, Trump owns this 100%.
The Obama blame game is lame and obvious.
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President Obama fired him and warned Trump not hire him. President Obama could tell Trump anything and Trump would do the opposite. He's like a petulant child. And now this morning there are more tweets from this ignoramus. Deflect! That's all Trump knows how to do.
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Does anyone think if this were, hypothetically 2009 and the President was Obama, that the Republican's would have any trouble connecting the dots between Russian involvement and the Whitehouse asking for a special counsel or impeachment proceeding to be initiated?
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I am not prone to paranoia but reading about T-rumps disregard for anyone else's opinion is frightening. I can only imagine out of his nominees which ones shouldn't be allowed to have the power they have been given (Tim Price pops into my head).
The flouting of the law by this President and his family is stunning. Not a peep out of all the "right" media though.
The flouting of the law by this President and his family is stunning. Not a peep out of all the "right" media though.
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I think that is a valid and scary point you make, Trump is turning out to be more than draining the swamp, he's draining it right into his oval office and turning it into a disgusting cesspool.
This situation is so obvious that it seems to be screaming at us for attention.
It feels like the key to America was given to someone like Bernie Madoff, Bernie Cornfeld or Frank Abagnale. Trump is slashing and burning everything we hold dear while intellectuals and talking heads converse about Trump's affect on our country and the world with no resolutions in sight. In the meantime, the republicans in Congress are doing everything in their power to thwart any investigations into Trump's ties to Russia. Even Kushner, via his family, is blatantly selling paths to citizenship for $500,000 to wealthy Chinese, which certainly introduces a new rich man's approach to immigration. The reality of illegalities, swindles, and rip-offs is reaching a new high. Every Trump tweet is an insult to our intelligence while he and the world laugh at our confusion and endangered democracy.
It feels like the key to America was given to someone like Bernie Madoff, Bernie Cornfeld or Frank Abagnale. Trump is slashing and burning everything we hold dear while intellectuals and talking heads converse about Trump's affect on our country and the world with no resolutions in sight. In the meantime, the republicans in Congress are doing everything in their power to thwart any investigations into Trump's ties to Russia. Even Kushner, via his family, is blatantly selling paths to citizenship for $500,000 to wealthy Chinese, which certainly introduces a new rich man's approach to immigration. The reality of illegalities, swindles, and rip-offs is reaching a new high. Every Trump tweet is an insult to our intelligence while he and the world laugh at our confusion and endangered democracy.
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You see how it is, trump uses his own narrative to change or deflect the subject. Trump will never accept any responsibility for anything, he is a coward. See how some of the Comments are referring to Hillary? Hey folks, Hillary is not the President.
Flynn was Director of Defense Intelligence Agency under Obama, but was let go by Obama within 2 years for cause. Trump so hates Obama that he might have hired Flynn just because Obama said he shouldn't. But more likely Trump hired Flynn FOR his Russian contacts. That decision blew up in Trump's face and now he has to assign blame elsewhere. The buck will never stop with Trump.
Flynn was Director of Defense Intelligence Agency under Obama, but was let go by Obama within 2 years for cause. Trump so hates Obama that he might have hired Flynn just because Obama said he shouldn't. But more likely Trump hired Flynn FOR his Russian contacts. That decision blew up in Trump's face and now he has to assign blame elsewhere. The buck will never stop with Trump.
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45 didn't fire Flynn because of his ties to Russia. He was fired because his ties to Russia were exposed. He was hired because of his ties to Russia.
Keep in mind, Trump appointed McMaster a qualified, independent intellectual to replace Flynn. Trump is coming from a position of extreme unpreparedness to learn a very challenging job. But for the country it has been like honing a dull straight razor on its face. The ultimate extent of the damage is unpredictable.
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Have no fear. I'm sure Russia is willing to help him and take advantage of his confusion.
One can unleash all the judicial parlance all one wants, but the Trump team will deem them as teetle-tattles, which are tell-tale signs of their inveterate inadequacies. A tenacious Trump and a sardonic Sean Spicer will effortlessly fend off these trivial pursuits as fecklessly futile. Talk show hosts, TV interviews, and newspaper columnists may cudgel their brains all they want, but the GOP generally will remain unruffled.
Maybe Trump will re-hire Flynn for spite, despite this judicial juggernaut. Trump also mumbles that the tax payers' money is being squandered, which can mean all these are quite farcical and even a form of sophisticated sophistry. If something chimerical comes out of these, it can be headline news, and it can keep the news consumers busy as bees.
Jokes apart, Flynn needs to explain, as this is one of several sepulchral aspects of truth seeking steps. There are, and can be, no shortcuts, or talks about wasting money, since accountability can be priceless in a democracy. And it ought not to have any party affiliation.
Maybe Trump will re-hire Flynn for spite, despite this judicial juggernaut. Trump also mumbles that the tax payers' money is being squandered, which can mean all these are quite farcical and even a form of sophisticated sophistry. If something chimerical comes out of these, it can be headline news, and it can keep the news consumers busy as bees.
Jokes apart, Flynn needs to explain, as this is one of several sepulchral aspects of truth seeking steps. There are, and can be, no shortcuts, or talks about wasting money, since accountability can be priceless in a democracy. And it ought not to have any party affiliation.
When does the impeachment start?
Best guess at the moment is January, 2019. The current sitting members of Congress, the Republicans anyway, are either complacent or complicit. Let us hope their health care bill is the medicine that cures us of their intransigence.
Best guess at the moment is January, 2019. The current sitting members of Congress, the Republicans anyway, are either complacent or complicit. Let us hope their health care bill is the medicine that cures us of their intransigence.
While there was a certain drama to this hearing, it really did not address the obvious question: what was Mr. Flynn talking to Kislyak and other Russian agents about?
We can infer that it was sanctions -- because the explicit lie Mr. Flynn made to Mr. Pence is that he did not talk about sanctions.
OK, so what about sanctions? What was Mr. Flynn offering, for what quid pro quo? And bluntly, how could it be that Flynn was free-lancing, not carrying water for Mr. Trump? What scenario can anybody suggest that would have Flynn dealing with the Russian ambassador without Mr. Trump's imprimatur? What could Flynn have possibly hoped to achieve or benefit from that?
We are waiting to hear the answer to these questions. I doubt Mr. Flynn will be the next Scooter Libby.
And then as to what happened to Ms. Yates over the extraneous issue of Trump's immigration order; Ted Cruz made an idiot of himself and properly was handed his head. Ms. Yates' principled decision that the immigration order was unconstitutional has been fully vindicated by Federal court decisions AND Mr. Trump's decision to withdraw it. Yet further Mr. Trump's subsequent revised order that eliminated the most unconstitutional elements is STILL tied up in the federal courts.
And tellingly it did not take Mr. Trump 18 days to fire Ms. Yates, to get what he wanted.
We can infer that it was sanctions -- because the explicit lie Mr. Flynn made to Mr. Pence is that he did not talk about sanctions.
OK, so what about sanctions? What was Mr. Flynn offering, for what quid pro quo? And bluntly, how could it be that Flynn was free-lancing, not carrying water for Mr. Trump? What scenario can anybody suggest that would have Flynn dealing with the Russian ambassador without Mr. Trump's imprimatur? What could Flynn have possibly hoped to achieve or benefit from that?
We are waiting to hear the answer to these questions. I doubt Mr. Flynn will be the next Scooter Libby.
And then as to what happened to Ms. Yates over the extraneous issue of Trump's immigration order; Ted Cruz made an idiot of himself and properly was handed his head. Ms. Yates' principled decision that the immigration order was unconstitutional has been fully vindicated by Federal court decisions AND Mr. Trump's decision to withdraw it. Yet further Mr. Trump's subsequent revised order that eliminated the most unconstitutional elements is STILL tied up in the federal courts.
And tellingly it did not take Mr. Trump 18 days to fire Ms. Yates, to get what he wanted.
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Who cares what they were talking about, he had no power to deliver unless the president and other advisors thought it a good deal.
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Should we be so comfortable assuming the truth of the administration's assertion that Flynn lied to Pence? What if Pence knew all along and the Administration spin after firing Flynn was a lie, and that he truth is that he was fired to contain the cat being let out of the bag (a little)? That might explain why it took 18 days to fire him; why McGann would ask what it mattered if one White House official lied to another; and why Flynn seems willing to testify under a grant of immunity.
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'what was Mr. Flynn talking to Kislyak and other Russian agents about? '
I personally would like the US to have a friendlier relationship with Russia and not always be thumping our chest and shouting, 'Tarzan good, them bad'. To constantly denigrate Russia seems to be counter-productive.
So, I would not mind if the Trump or his coterie were talking to the Russians. But do it openly - IF, IF - you have the conviction.
If you are talking to them and then lying about it, you are up to no good. You are trying to do something behind our back, something you think the public would not approve of. You are probably scheming against our interest.
And, as such, you do not qualify as a 'public servant'. Period.
I personally would like the US to have a friendlier relationship with Russia and not always be thumping our chest and shouting, 'Tarzan good, them bad'. To constantly denigrate Russia seems to be counter-productive.
So, I would not mind if the Trump or his coterie were talking to the Russians. But do it openly - IF, IF - you have the conviction.
If you are talking to them and then lying about it, you are up to no good. You are trying to do something behind our back, something you think the public would not approve of. You are probably scheming against our interest.
And, as such, you do not qualify as a 'public servant'. Period.
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Another aspect address by this testimony was the American unmasking. Since the original "wiretapping" tweet which was condemned by some, information has surfaced supporting that the incoming administration of the opposition party was in fact under surveillance.
From https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/08/full-tra...
"GRASSLEY: OK. I want to discuss unmasking.
Mr. Clapper and Ms. Yates, did either of you ever request the unmasking of Mr. Trump, his associates or any member of Congress?
CLAPPER: Yes, in one case I did that I can specifically recall, but I can't discuss it any further than that."
I also understand the number of unmasked requests has risen enormously since 2013. Does anyone care that we may be moving in the direction of a police state? Or is that OK as long as the target is the opposition? Remember, in spite of all the investigations and surveillance there is still not ANY public proof of ANY collusion between the new admin and Russia.
If there is proof, please correct me but I know of none.
From https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/08/full-tra...
"GRASSLEY: OK. I want to discuss unmasking.
Mr. Clapper and Ms. Yates, did either of you ever request the unmasking of Mr. Trump, his associates or any member of Congress?
CLAPPER: Yes, in one case I did that I can specifically recall, but I can't discuss it any further than that."
I also understand the number of unmasked requests has risen enormously since 2013. Does anyone care that we may be moving in the direction of a police state? Or is that OK as long as the target is the opposition? Remember, in spite of all the investigations and surveillance there is still not ANY public proof of ANY collusion between the new admin and Russia.
If there is proof, please correct me but I know of none.
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The NYtimes portrays this entire incident as Yates defending the country against a Flynn appointment. This has now clearly been shown to be a false narrative.
Yates used the supposition that Flynn was vulnerable and that Trump was warned by the Obama Admin. Obama dismissed Flynn because of his views on radical Islam that were not in line with his own. Yates unmasked Flynn to embarrass the incoming administration. Flynn is a soldier and patriot. Yates is politically driven ideologue.
Yates used the supposition that Flynn was vulnerable and that Trump was warned by the Obama Admin. Obama dismissed Flynn because of his views on radical Islam that were not in line with his own. Yates unmasked Flynn to embarrass the incoming administration. Flynn is a soldier and patriot. Yates is politically driven ideologue.
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John, your central premise is false. No one has testified that Flynn was under surveillance. The Russian spymaster in the US, Sergei Kislyak, was under surveillance. Kislyak was surveillance speaking to Flynn several times on December 29. To help you understand this better, pretend Kislyak is a prostitute, and is under surveillance by law enforcement. Authorities catch Kislyak with one of his customers, Flynn. Several times.
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The ONLY proof we know of so far, since we haven't got the classified briefings is 4 of Trump's appointments had meetings with the Russian ambassador or others from Russia and neglected to share this under oath. Plus, we have just learned that Flynn may still have been National Security Advisor, had the public not found out about his discussions with Russia, as nothing was done the 18 days before, when they obviously knew he couldn't be trusted with National Security matters.
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This came about only because to Trump everything is politics. Maybe, just maybe, some government officials put the country first before politics. Does Trump?
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Are you serious? Trump is the only non-careerist politician in the game...
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For Trump, it is not politics. It is about ego boosting and revenge. He is incompetent.
Recently, according to another news outlet, a journalist was invited to play the 2014 Trump National Golf Club in Charlotte, North Carolina. Eric Trump told him the Trump Organization had access to a $100 million line of credit from Russians because the Russians love to pay golf.
When will Donald Trump’s taxes be subpoenaed? It is important to determine if Donald Trump was bought. Of course, if Trump had voluntarily released his tax returns like every other candidate running for the Presidency, the constant drumbeat of “disclose your taxes” would be a non-issue.
Please copy and paste the link below for further information regarding this disclosure:
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When will Donald Trump’s taxes be subpoenaed? It is important to determine if Donald Trump was bought. Of course, if Trump had voluntarily released his tax returns like every other candidate running for the Presidency, the constant drumbeat of “disclose your taxes” would be a non-issue.
Please copy and paste the link below for further information regarding this disclosure:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eric-trump-russia-golf_us_590fd976e4...
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Would General Flynn really speak to the Russians about sanctions without the president elect's consent? Would Putin immediately take such communications so seriously?
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Putin is not a fool, but he no doubt saw an opening that he could exploit in General Flynn. The question is did Flynn commit an act of betrayal to his country?
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Very good point, as Putin responded with a no response, which was not his form and Trump immediately tweeted how smart this was.
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The only explanations that come to mind for all these actions by the Trump administration are ignorance, incompetence and dishonesty. Taken individually or in any combination, these don't seem like qualities that make for good leadership.
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Miss Yates was truly professional and well spoken. She truly has the interests of this nation in mind. Thank you.
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yates is the one guilty here people
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Guilty of what, telling the truth????
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Of what?
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Of what?
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Trump built his reputation on firing people, and yet, when the country's security was at stake couldn't pull the trigger. It appears that incompetence and/or malfeasance in the Trump White House are not considered grounds for termination. I should add, watching both Yates and Clapper testify, you really see how far the bar has been lowered for Trump's nominees.
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Yes I can't believe Flynn is still the National Security Adviser--what an outrage! Oh wait, Trump DID fire him---oops. What is with this "outrage", and why is this a story?