The Times has a point--about the candidates continuing to bait each other, but it fails to address the problem of how a meeting of the minds is possible within the current framework.
With FOX News, Brietbart, and the Wall Street Journal spewing venom 24 hours a day for the part 7 years and continuing to do so, there is effectively just one side of the story reaching most of the people.
How to get a two sided message across is the problem.
If we cannot meet and discuss, then we have to fight. Either way, Democrats are not caving in to undemocratic, fascist, authoritarian politics. Nor should the Times. If the Times doesn't have an answer, then its politics of healing will be caving and caving to Trump is a form of evil.
With FOX News, Brietbart, and the Wall Street Journal spewing venom 24 hours a day for the part 7 years and continuing to do so, there is effectively just one side of the story reaching most of the people.
How to get a two sided message across is the problem.
If we cannot meet and discuss, then we have to fight. Either way, Democrats are not caving in to undemocratic, fascist, authoritarian politics. Nor should the Times. If the Times doesn't have an answer, then its politics of healing will be caving and caving to Trump is a form of evil.
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Trump is the president of the U.S. who has been acting like a madman since he was elected and who is systematically destroying many of the good policies that have been adopted over the last 50 years. Clinton is a private citizen who won the popular vote but lost the electoral college and has been mostly quiet since the election but vented her frustrations recently. As Frank Bruni said in an accompanying op-ed, she's entitled to rage. If she can help the resistance, more power to her.
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This appears to be another effort to do the "fair and balanced thing". It is not fair and it is not balanced. It is a poorly written and twisted assault on Ms. Clinton.
"Her insights were strained by insinuations against the president." This is your opinion. It is not mine and I suspect not the opinion of the majority of you readers. What you heard in her conversation with Ms. Amanpour was filtered through your own negative view of Ms. Clinton.
I had a big problem with Ms. Clinton. I thought she was too middle of the roadish. To frightened to go the whole way. I called her halfway Hillary. But I also new she had a heart, and that it could be reached by the needs of the People, and so I had hope.
Ms. Clinton is a citizen of the U.S. She has a right to express her opinions about any subject she likes. She also has years and years of actual experience being in government. Her views re. what is going on in side of government are at least based on that experience. I think that everyone of the bits of "evidence" you marshal to balance her with the really heartless, mindless, ignorance of the 70 something unbalanced adolescent is dumb. I do not see her comments as "re-litigating old disputes". I see them as putting light on a seriously psychologically damaged individual. The NYT Editorial Board is avoiding this responsibility with their fair and balanced propaganda. Thanks to Ms. Clinton and the others who see the danger which the NYT editors do not.
"Her insights were strained by insinuations against the president." This is your opinion. It is not mine and I suspect not the opinion of the majority of you readers. What you heard in her conversation with Ms. Amanpour was filtered through your own negative view of Ms. Clinton.
I had a big problem with Ms. Clinton. I thought she was too middle of the roadish. To frightened to go the whole way. I called her halfway Hillary. But I also new she had a heart, and that it could be reached by the needs of the People, and so I had hope.
Ms. Clinton is a citizen of the U.S. She has a right to express her opinions about any subject she likes. She also has years and years of actual experience being in government. Her views re. what is going on in side of government are at least based on that experience. I think that everyone of the bits of "evidence" you marshal to balance her with the really heartless, mindless, ignorance of the 70 something unbalanced adolescent is dumb. I do not see her comments as "re-litigating old disputes". I see them as putting light on a seriously psychologically damaged individual. The NYT Editorial Board is avoiding this responsibility with their fair and balanced propaganda. Thanks to Ms. Clinton and the others who see the danger which the NYT editors do not.
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Hillary Clinton has served her country for decades, and owes us
nothing.
Trump keeps reminding us he is the President.
When we he start acting like one?
nothing.
Trump keeps reminding us he is the President.
When we he start acting like one?
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Keep it up HRC.
It drives the boy president crazy when you remind everyone that he needed comey and the russians to be appointed president by the elitist electoral college while still losing the American People's Vote.
It's like the Chinese water torture.
"Drip, drip, drip"...and with each drip draft dodger trump loses a little more of his unused mind.
Keep it up HRC....you are not done helping America yet.
It drives the boy president crazy when you remind everyone that he needed comey and the russians to be appointed president by the elitist electoral college while still losing the American People's Vote.
It's like the Chinese water torture.
"Drip, drip, drip"...and with each drip draft dodger trump loses a little more of his unused mind.
Keep it up HRC....you are not done helping America yet.
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Since the election, Hillary Clinton has been extremely restrained (she pretty much disappeared from public view). Given the circumstances -- which are that somehow the valedictorian lost an election to the class dunce, who subsequently has failed to do anything constructive with his post -- her until-recent silence seemed both disciplined and deafening.
But while she is now writing a book, making some public appearances, granting interviews and acting (at least in the opinion of the NYT Editorial Board) like a sore loser, Trump, who as POTUS should understand he has bigger fish to fry, has spent months proving himself a sore winner.
One of them has a public duty to change. And it's not Hillary.
But while she is now writing a book, making some public appearances, granting interviews and acting (at least in the opinion of the NYT Editorial Board) like a sore loser, Trump, who as POTUS should understand he has bigger fish to fry, has spent months proving himself a sore winner.
One of them has a public duty to change. And it's not Hillary.
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Oh, my, yes. "Both sides."
As if an interview with a now-private citizen really has anything to do with anything....
As if an interview with a now-private citizen really has anything to do with anything....
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In my view, being that he holds the office, it is up to Trump to heal the divide. After six months he unequivocally has not. When I hear stories about "lock her up" chants, it sends shivers down my spine. I am reminded of Obama on his campaign trail. Folks started booing when he mentioned Senator Mcain. He stopped the crowd and said we don't need that, 'We need you to vote.'.
As policy and legislation is of great import, so is the quality of character of a leader, because it is by their example that so many follow. Does anyone have any context of how the great attrocities of human history have occured? Groups of people in power waging a verdict on another group without any judicial protections or legislative representation. I have read that a republic is the most fragile form of government, and I believe ours is currently in great danger. That is why to preserve it, citizen Ms. Clinton must be allowed to speak, and the President must be held accountable for not only what he says, but what he allows to be said.
As policy and legislation is of great import, so is the quality of character of a leader, because it is by their example that so many follow. Does anyone have any context of how the great attrocities of human history have occured? Groups of people in power waging a verdict on another group without any judicial protections or legislative representation. I have read that a republic is the most fragile form of government, and I believe ours is currently in great danger. That is why to preserve it, citizen Ms. Clinton must be allowed to speak, and the President must be held accountable for not only what he says, but what he allows to be said.
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No matter where these two former candidates are, we need to be someplace else, a place that looks to the future and avoids candidates like these in every election from now on. A place that focuses on the people and the health of our planet.
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"...Now is the time for America to bind the wounds of division", Trump proclaims. And this coming from the most divisive candidate to have ever run for our presidency.
The country will never be united while you are our president, Mr. Trump. The only thing that you excel at is divisiveness, often spewing vicious lies against those who disagree with your philosophy, political tactics, and hateful rhetoric. Personally, I look forward to the day you are impeached and expelled from our White House.
The country will never be united while you are our president, Mr. Trump. The only thing that you excel at is divisiveness, often spewing vicious lies against those who disagree with your philosophy, political tactics, and hateful rhetoric. Personally, I look forward to the day you are impeached and expelled from our White House.
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Actually, Hillary Clinton stayed away from the press, and even the public, for months after losing the election. DJT continued, and still continues, to bring up the campaign, tell lies about the popular, and publicly bully/humiliate Ms. Clinton every single day. Exactly how long should someone under attack like this sit still and say nothing? How long would you yourself wait?
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It appears that once again Hillary Clinton is being held to a higher standard than would be required of any other public persona. After being denied the presidency through the machinations of an archaic construct that dates back to the origins of our republic and owes its very existence to the power of slave holding states, after the malignant intrusion into our election process by a hostile foreign entity, topped off by the belated admission of our own FBI director that his actions may have influenced our election, after more than 30 years of character assassination by the opposition party, Hillary Clinton is still, somehow, expected to rise above the fray and behave in some extraordinarily noble fashion. Really, NYT? But thanks for the acknowledgment that the actions of the current occupant of the White House might be more "pathetic". Oh, yes, thanks very much.
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Hillary has every right to say what she wants about Trump. They are no longer on equal footing in a campaign. He's the one who is destroying the country and deserves the scorn and criticism. Trump's is not a normal Presidency and should not be treated as such, even by Hillary, even if she appears ingracious, which Trump is about winning and every other matter.
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Wrong about Clinton, she was taken down by a civil servant, who disregard his own rules, and he is still in power under Trump, who was given the election on a platter. I don't blame her for sour grapes.
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I'm disappointed in the Times for perpetuating the mistake of false equivalency. If Trump childishly insists on grinding away at his old campaign insults, who could blame Hillary for continuing to defend herself. A flawed candidate, yes. But decent, reasonable and basically honorable. Trump is a psychotic, authoritarian, moral degenerate and therefore an enemy of our country. Period.
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This is another instance of false equivalency by the New York Times, equating Trump’s tons of tweets with your allegation that HRC is rewaging the campaign and attacking Trump. I’m not reading any news about Clinton in your paper, and the column’s hyperlink to a Clinton-Amanpour “conversation” is a piece praising Women for Women International, not diabolical attacks.
In 2016 the NYT breathlessly covered Clinton’s email server and undercovered Trump’s character, financial misdealings, bankruptcies, Trump University; your newspaper treated the candidates as equally corrupt. Now I’m reading many news articles breathlessly repeating Trump’s outrageous tweets. But I wish I did have more news articles covering Hillary Clinton, who did after all win the national vote.
The evidence we have overwhelming suggests that the Trump campaign and Moscow coordinated political attacks on Clinton and the Democrats, and the Congressional investigations are not proving otherwise. Republicans are wasting time on leaks and ignoring treason. The Senate and House “investigations” into the Russian attacks on my country’s democratic elections are not going anywhere. We need an independent special prosecutor but won’t get it. It’s high time for all patriotic Americans to speak up.
I want Hillary Clinton to continue to speak for me. We didn’t have a fair election in 2016, we need fighters to see if we can get fair elections again in 2018 and 2020.
In 2016 the NYT breathlessly covered Clinton’s email server and undercovered Trump’s character, financial misdealings, bankruptcies, Trump University; your newspaper treated the candidates as equally corrupt. Now I’m reading many news articles breathlessly repeating Trump’s outrageous tweets. But I wish I did have more news articles covering Hillary Clinton, who did after all win the national vote.
The evidence we have overwhelming suggests that the Trump campaign and Moscow coordinated political attacks on Clinton and the Democrats, and the Congressional investigations are not proving otherwise. Republicans are wasting time on leaks and ignoring treason. The Senate and House “investigations” into the Russian attacks on my country’s democratic elections are not going anywhere. We need an independent special prosecutor but won’t get it. It’s high time for all patriotic Americans to speak up.
I want Hillary Clinton to continue to speak for me. We didn’t have a fair election in 2016, we need fighters to see if we can get fair elections again in 2018 and 2020.
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It amazes me how much effort is is exerted by the readers to post a comment on the NYT.
I wonder if these comments were instead sent to a Congressman, if the outcome wouldn't be more beneficial. Everybody on this site more or less agrees.
I have a suggestion therefor: The NYT should there add a feature where we could select our local Congressman and cc both the article and our comment.
I wonder if these comments were instead sent to a Congressman, if the outcome wouldn't be more beneficial. Everybody on this site more or less agrees.
I have a suggestion therefor: The NYT should there add a feature where we could select our local Congressman and cc both the article and our comment.
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The DNC and Hillary Clinton were more responsible for the loss than anything else. It certainly did not help that some on the Committee undermined the Sanders campaign every step of the way. Trump was right on one thing, that the system in both parties was rigged. And to top it off we have Comey, a supposedly dis-interested party, throwing out the final death knell.
We are now stuck with a truly flawed person in charge of America's future.
Hillary needs to accept that she did not respond to the every day ordinary citizens concerns. She is definitely the better qualified politician, except her ego got in the way of her common sense.
We are now stuck with a truly flawed person in charge of America's future.
Hillary needs to accept that she did not respond to the every day ordinary citizens concerns. She is definitely the better qualified politician, except her ego got in the way of her common sense.
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This country will divide sooner or later. "Healing" , just another politically correct term that makes me gag By dividing, many points of view can flower, that are now stifled, by a will to silence those with a different perspective. I see about three to five different countries to replace the USA. I can't wait.
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"Both..undermining their promises to help America heal"...? Only one of the former candidates now has the power to help America heal. That person continues to deepen the wounds with Tweets and comments. This "editorial" needs editing.
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Solid argument, but I'd question if the demeanor of a defeated candidate is really worth the attention of the Editorial Board.
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In 1933, FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
Now, 84 years, later, I think the problem is that here is not enough fear.
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People voted for Trump without fearing that he might make terrible mistakes. But we may good have to pay a heavy price for Trump's mistakes. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton and Pres. Obama made mistakes that cost the election.
I hope that fear will prevent more costly mistakes to democray.
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Now, 84 years, later, I think the problem is that here is not enough fear.
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People voted for Trump without fearing that he might make terrible mistakes. But we may good have to pay a heavy price for Trump's mistakes. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton and Pres. Obama made mistakes that cost the election.
I hope that fear will prevent more costly mistakes to democray.
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Actually, this is a newspaper stuck in time. Donald Trump is president of the United States; Hillary Clinton is a private citizen. What he says matters, what she says doesn't.
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Recall that the in 2016 the two least-liked and least-trusted presidential candidates since modern polling began squared off. There was a slight difference: she was more disliked and less trusted than was he. He won and can't quit rubbing it in- like a child in a sandbox. She lost and can't accept responsibility for her flawed candidacy and campaign- "blame it on Russia...blame it on James Comey..." To both please let go. Only one of these rivals is relevant any longer: for hook or for crook he is the President and not "my opponent".
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It seems the Times Editorial and others mainly men seem to think it is unseemly for Hilary Clinton to answer a question posed to her during a 35 minute interview, but OK for Bernie to continue to campaign for President 4 years in advance. Many have completely disregarded the entire interview which was excellent and dealt with many issues especially those of women's issues which many men seem to disregard.
In fact bringing on the writers of "Shattered" was rather unseemly by the news media even though the Times gave their book a great rating which I do not
understand. Much of the book remains unverified and seems like a rush to make money.
In fact bringing on the writers of "Shattered" was rather unseemly by the news media even though the Times gave their book a great rating which I do not
understand. Much of the book remains unverified and seems like a rush to make money.
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I have been a NY Times subscriber for over 20 years but I am sick of your attempts at false equivalence! You did this during the election and the result is one of the worst presidents in US history. Stop with this foolishness!
HRC is a private citizen. She can say and do whatever she wants, whenever she wants in whatever way she pleases. DT is the problem! He is an ignorant, narcissist and a failed president. He needs to be criticized at every turn for his petty, vindictive, short-sighted and authoritarian tactics.
HRC is a private citizen. She can say and do whatever she wants, whenever she wants in whatever way she pleases. DT is the problem! He is an ignorant, narcissist and a failed president. He needs to be criticized at every turn for his petty, vindictive, short-sighted and authoritarian tactics.
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Mrs. Clinton should follow the lead of President Obama.
Trump will self destruct in due time.
Criticism from Democratic office holders is one thing, but criticism from Mrs. Clinton is just giving Trump another opportunity to start another distracting tweet storm.
Trump will self destruct in due time.
Criticism from Democratic office holders is one thing, but criticism from Mrs. Clinton is just giving Trump another opportunity to start another distracting tweet storm.
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The Times is doing what the Times was doing all during the campaign: equating Hillary's errors to those of Trump. Are you kidding me? A major part of the reason for her defeat was this kind of false equivocation. Please, Times Editorial Board, give it up yourselves! HRC is the past. You accomplished what you set out to do: get rid of the Clintons. For the sake of the country, move on.
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I'm glad to hear you acknowledge that Trump is in a worse position than Clinton with his failure to let go of the campaign. At least you give that much of a nod to true equivalence. But this is the first time we have heard from Hillary Clinton on a large scale. I'm sure, with time, she will let go of the campaign, but give her a break. She's a human being, having come so close to grabbing the brass ring, and not once, but twice, being beaten out by a silver-tongued man.
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Let's be done with the Clinton nonsense once and for all. She's lost her bid for the presidency twice now. Enough! Playing into Trump's blame game only tarnishes her reputation further. Given that democrats appear to have a realistic chance at taking back the House in 2018, the last thing we need is further meddling in the process by a very unpopular individual who is mired in the past.
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More of the same false equivalence that lead helped Donald Trump win the election. Trump is unfortunately the president he has an obligation to lead. Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton is not the president, she is not required to act presidential. I wish the press could stop treating these two equally!!
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A very strange editorial. It compares a man who should never have been elected president, who has neither the temperament nor the intelligence for the job, and actually seems to be trying very hard to do more harm than good to this country and its people...to a woman who has devoted her life to public service, ignoring the indisputable fact that if she were president now we would not be in this mess. And there's no denying that we're in a very big mess, nor who is responsible for it. We are losing the respect of the world, we are forced daily to watch and listen while a so-called president creates chaos and confusion and malevolence, and acts with an astounding lack of integrity and compassion, and the NYT chooses to criticize Hillary Clinton. Very, very strange, and for those of us who are living this never ending nightmare, offensive.
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I think this is what happens when an election isn't perceived to be free and fair. This was not an election in which the voters can reasonably conclude they chose the leader they wanted. It was tainted by hacking interference from foreign, hostile powers and interests over many months. It was tainted by FBI interference very close to Election Day. It was tainted by gobs of dark money, and determined despite a dramatic gap between the voters' preference and the Electoral College result. As a poll watcher in a mostly Democratic precinct in a battleground state, I personally observed interference in Mr. Trump's favor by private citizens and a police officer on the ground, and saw the discouraging effects of strict voter ID laws. One of the candidates was a woman, moreover, and sexism -- overt and subtle -- was rampant and widespread and overshadowed the candidates' suitable talents and qualifications for office in this race. When elections aren't really over, there is nothing that will convince voters to move on. I cannot call the current White House resident my president, or the president, regardless of what anyone else says, because this is America, and the election wasn't fair. Invalid elections and my country are supposed to be like oil and vinegar, and it does not compute. So it will not end.
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This is wrong - We are in an unprecedented level of danger from a demagogue who as president has tried to rip up the constitution repeatedly and to degrade our safety and health. The opposition to this has every right, as well as a responsibility, to question and demand that this illegitimate president and his party be called to account for their corrupt theft of power. These are not normal times, and HRC and every other moral person needs to stand up.
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This is an absurd false equivalence. Clinton is a private citizen and can say whatever she wants, which is in any case a far cry from "lock him up". Indeed, her comments are quite similar to what the NYT and its columnists have been saying all along. Trump, on the other hand, is the president and is supposed to be at least acting the part. But we know how that's been working out.
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This is a disingenuous and unfortunate appeal. Trump has not tried to unite the nation, aside from a few comments during and around his inauguration. He has not asked for the support of those who opposed him nor has he done anything to merit it. He has done everything possible to continue to stir division imaginable, including accusing his predecessor of being a criminal. Even if one were predisposed to "give him a chance", he has repeatedly invited scorn. Have we been asleep the 3 1/2 months?
Trump's presidency is a continual celebration of Trump and how wonderful he is. He and his talking robots bristle like porcupines at any criticism, then they invent a false issue to take the attention away from it.
I was not a supporter of Hillary Clinton for president, though she would be far superior, and far, far less threatening to the world, than Trump. It is grossly unfair to equate any of her comments about the election with the actions and words of Trump.
She was asked questions about the election. She responded. Comey and the Russian interference in the election are not in the past, they are important current issues for now and the future. Of course, dwelling on them might not be helpful, since a complete answer as to their critical nature is not possible. yet, the editorial board can be assured that if the shoe were on the other foot, if Trump had lost the Electoral College, screaming would be the order of the day and calls for criminal indictments would not cease.
Trump's presidency is a continual celebration of Trump and how wonderful he is. He and his talking robots bristle like porcupines at any criticism, then they invent a false issue to take the attention away from it.
I was not a supporter of Hillary Clinton for president, though she would be far superior, and far, far less threatening to the world, than Trump. It is grossly unfair to equate any of her comments about the election with the actions and words of Trump.
She was asked questions about the election. She responded. Comey and the Russian interference in the election are not in the past, they are important current issues for now and the future. Of course, dwelling on them might not be helpful, since a complete answer as to their critical nature is not possible. yet, the editorial board can be assured that if the shoe were on the other foot, if Trump had lost the Electoral College, screaming would be the order of the day and calls for criminal indictments would not cease.
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Hillary Clinton lost period. When I voted for her it was because I was voting for a Democrat to win. Now she should move off the stage and make way for others. Period!
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False equivalency indeed. Why not count the number of times Mr. Trump has said negative things about Mrs. Clinton since the election (and the types of things he’s said) and compare it to the number of times Mrs. Clinton has said negative things about Mr. Trump. This editorial is flawed because it fails to do just that. If you did an internet search after Hillary Clinton’s interview with Christine Amanpour was broadcast, you would find many op-ed articles about sour grapes on her part. No one seems to point out the winner of the electoral college has groused, lied and complained about Mrs. Clinton repeatedly before and after the election in a manner most un-presidential and continues to do so. Since the election, Mrs. Clinton has been interviewed twice, once by Nick Kristoff and now by Ms. Amanpour. Mrs. Clinton is a private citizen and can say what she likes. Her restraint and dignity thus far has been remarkable.
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This is the worst editorial I've read in the NYTimes. False equivalency as others have said. We are told to support journalism with our dollars, but it is pretty hard when you publish this destructive baloney, and also hire a person who is very clever at giving climate change deniers a voice about the most important issue of our time!
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I don't think Hilary Clinton is wrong to keep the spotlight on what went wrong with the 2016 election. Comey's late interference (a moral qualm that did not seem to plague him in the case of Trump's questionable involvements) and the Russian hacks, constituted is unique and deeply troubling corruption of our political process--and the egregious disparity between the poplular vote and the gerrymandered-districted electoral college is also deeply disturbing. This is not a matter of Clinton's so-called botched campaign and the cartooning of her as an obsessive narcissist. who can't get over her grief. This is a pivotal moment in national history, which no one should forget or be urged to "move on" from. I am glad that Clinton insists that this is a major issue. It's not "introspective." Its externally important.
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indded. It's way past time for Hillary to stop her whining and become a true elder statesperson who is gracious and wise. She may need lts of therapy to get there.
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So Trump tells lies and stirs up his followers against Hillary. Hillary makes the same case against Trump that millions of Americans are making. This makes them equivalent? What's she supposed to do, keep her mouth shut when she sees Trump driving America off a cliff? Bravo to Hillary for speaking out.
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How strange a column, NYT. The division is not between those two politicians, the division continues because of the long war on the middle class, globalization, mega-corporations more powerful than governments, extreme income inequality, unseen since the Roaring 20s, the ability of corporations to buy Congress, the only concern of so many on the Hill being only to secure lucrative lobbying jobs once they leave, and good health care while they're there. You think if these two people stopped bringing this division up, this division would disappear?
Never a mention of the most popular politician in America (Bernie), looking away from an election influenced by a foreign power and an intelligence agency head, given to the loser of the popular vote—a vote contrary to exit polls.
Editorial Board—the division is not over, it's not about those two people. This division plays out daily on Fifth Avenue-Wall Street, and Appalachia-Rust Belt; on the Champs Elysees-Bourse; and Hallencourt-Seine Saint-Denis.
You cannot "shake free" of this division, you cannot list all this travesty, and then, like some craven ballerina, TURN— on a normalizing "BUT..."
Never a mention of the most popular politician in America (Bernie), looking away from an election influenced by a foreign power and an intelligence agency head, given to the loser of the popular vote—a vote contrary to exit polls.
Editorial Board—the division is not over, it's not about those two people. This division plays out daily on Fifth Avenue-Wall Street, and Appalachia-Rust Belt; on the Champs Elysees-Bourse; and Hallencourt-Seine Saint-Denis.
You cannot "shake free" of this division, you cannot list all this travesty, and then, like some craven ballerina, TURN— on a normalizing "BUT..."
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Jared is out this weekend selling EB5 visas to rich Chinese. Will he personally greet them at JFK immigration after "extreme vetting"? No, he will make his sister do it so that it 'looks' proper.
On a weekly basis, Trump and his family grab as money as they can from the American taxpayer and nary a word of 'condemnation' from the NYT. Russian hacking aided by Trump campaign? NYT says time to move on?
Hillary answers a question about the campaign and the NYT is all over her.
Focus. Focus. Focus.
Trump is the President. Focus on what he is doing. HRC is at best an 'elder stateswoman' now. Trump has the damaged ego. Trump is the vile narcissist.
Focus on his damaging liabilities. Focus on what his White House is doing.
Is the NYT stuck in the past because like Rep. Chaffetz you can not bring yourselves to do the hard work?
On a weekly basis, Trump and his family grab as money as they can from the American taxpayer and nary a word of 'condemnation' from the NYT. Russian hacking aided by Trump campaign? NYT says time to move on?
Hillary answers a question about the campaign and the NYT is all over her.
Focus. Focus. Focus.
Trump is the President. Focus on what he is doing. HRC is at best an 'elder stateswoman' now. Trump has the damaged ego. Trump is the vile narcissist.
Focus on his damaging liabilities. Focus on what his White House is doing.
Is the NYT stuck in the past because like Rep. Chaffetz you can not bring yourselves to do the hard work?
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This kind of lazy and misogynistic false-equivalence piece is exactly why we have a lazy and misogynistic ignoramus as our head of state. I'll give the NYT a while to sort out the approach it's going to take to Trump, but not forever. Much more of this tripe, and I'll send my subscription dollars to a news organization capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
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We have the president threatening to lock up a private citizen should she dare to answer questions for an interview. And you're criticizing her? Shame on you, New York Times editors. I'm sorry for the NYT; it is like the country, in the hands of those who look likely to wreck it.
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That's rich. The candidates should be working together to help a divided America heal? Is that what the Times has been doing in its hysterical reaction to the election?
No, but that's what the Times would be doing if its greatly admired and deeply missed former Publisher was still around.
No, but that's what the Times would be doing if its greatly admired and deeply missed former Publisher was still around.
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Mrs. Clinton's attempts to explain how she "lost" an election where she got 2.8 million more votes, is understandable. She was right: there was a terrible confluence of events that she had no control over: the media obsession with everything trump, to the exclusion of real policy discussion, and the blatant interference from Comey, who gave us catastrophe, by re-opening his "investigation" of much-ado-about-nothing emails, while concealing serious investigations into the trump campaign collusion with the Russians. Yes, she should move on, but this last act of her career appears to be a defining moment. It must be incredibly frustrating.
So what is trump's excuse? He's actually running for re-election in 2020! But he cannot even get past 2016. So what's his excuse?
So what is trump's excuse? He's actually running for re-election in 2020! But he cannot even get past 2016. So what's his excuse?
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I listened to the entire interview, and agree with other commenters on this page about the false equivalency present in the OP ED. I found the ideas that Ms. Clinton put forth were interesting, thoughtful, and if any of them had been allowed to float above the din of negative coverage, the election results might very well have been different.
Clinton clearly explains the challenges facing our nation in terms of job loss due to robotics, how clean energy (not coal) can be an economic driver, just to name a couple of things she mentioned. She is also able to articulate how education and jobs and internet connectivity are linked and impacted by each other. It was a great interview.
We need her ideas, and if -- in answer to Amanpour's question -- she mentions the election's circumstances (which were bizarre by anyone's standard), it is well worth listening in order to get the rest of the package. There is really NO comparison to anything Mr. Trump is doing, has done, or can think up, so please...can the NYTimes move on from these false equivalencies?
Clinton clearly explains the challenges facing our nation in terms of job loss due to robotics, how clean energy (not coal) can be an economic driver, just to name a couple of things she mentioned. She is also able to articulate how education and jobs and internet connectivity are linked and impacted by each other. It was a great interview.
We need her ideas, and if -- in answer to Amanpour's question -- she mentions the election's circumstances (which were bizarre by anyone's standard), it is well worth listening in order to get the rest of the package. There is really NO comparison to anything Mr. Trump is doing, has done, or can think up, so please...can the NYTimes move on from these false equivalencies?
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Healing? By this, do you intend that we affect some mass Kumbaya with the racists and xenophobes that support 45? Never. We don't know need healing, we need to beat them in four key swing states. Onward...
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One might erroneously conclude from reading this article that The New Times is a beacon of unity and harmony in the post-election dystopia that has befallen the US.
As a comedian said, repeatedly, that's absurd.
It's also hilarious that The Editors would chastise anyone for re-litigating old disputes and attacking someone. This Board has a stellar record of throwing high octane aircraft fuel on every aspect of the new presidency. Trump breathes : Times fulminates.
What's the point? The trooth is, The Times is laughing all the way to the bank. Trump is the best thing to happen to the retrenching Times in a long time. Kicking Hillary back under the bus just adds to the bottom line.
As a comedian said, repeatedly, that's absurd.
It's also hilarious that The Editors would chastise anyone for re-litigating old disputes and attacking someone. This Board has a stellar record of throwing high octane aircraft fuel on every aspect of the new presidency. Trump breathes : Times fulminates.
What's the point? The trooth is, The Times is laughing all the way to the bank. Trump is the best thing to happen to the retrenching Times in a long time. Kicking Hillary back under the bus just adds to the bottom line.
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Americans, especially thinking Americans who followed the election saw what was going on with Russian tampering and discounted the impact played by Putin. Many of my fellow Americans don't want to believe that they could have so easily manipulated by a foreign and hostile power, that they were taken in by Russian disinformation and fake news sources. We don't want to discuss the high probability that Donald J. Trump is in fact an agent of Moscow. The mere thought of that possibility a few years ago during the Cold War would be too far fetched, but not today. Trump's actions and behavior, especially his illicit efforts of he and his family to game the presidency for personal enrichment is so far out of the mainstream that he cannot be normalized. For those reasons alone Trump is seen by the resistance as illegitimate and his election as fraudulent. Whether some dislike the current political tone and tempper of our country's politics, Donald J Trump has done nothing to reduce those anxieties and fears. Instead he has amplified them in his hundred plus days in office.
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And I'm so very disappointed in Bernie Sanders, especially how easily he rolled over, and joined with Clinton.
His candidacy represented the last opportunity for a real revival of the America many of us older Americans built, lived in, and benefited from. He ran on a platform that promised true representative government, for all of the people, a return to equality, and equal opportunity.
But the Republican and Democrat elites were having none of it, terrified their scheming would be exposed and their ill-gotten wealth placed at risk, so the battle was joined, Bernie and his wholly healthy aspirations for the poor and the middle-class, were ridiculed, labeled as socialism, that word which the status quote protectors made into a paper monster, backed up with whispered comparisons to communist ideals, effectively skewering Bernie, and paving the corporate engineered drive to continue its control of government.
Corporate America realized it's dream of holding the reins and driving the wagon of inequality hither and thither across the land, further grinding the hopes of the eternally foolish electorate into the dust.
No good will come of this abuse; look at Brexit, watch what occurs in France today; even if Le Pen doesn't win, Macron will be a last dying breath of the European Union, that elite controlled affair which has caused populism and nationalist fervor to be born again.
His candidacy represented the last opportunity for a real revival of the America many of us older Americans built, lived in, and benefited from. He ran on a platform that promised true representative government, for all of the people, a return to equality, and equal opportunity.
But the Republican and Democrat elites were having none of it, terrified their scheming would be exposed and their ill-gotten wealth placed at risk, so the battle was joined, Bernie and his wholly healthy aspirations for the poor and the middle-class, were ridiculed, labeled as socialism, that word which the status quote protectors made into a paper monster, backed up with whispered comparisons to communist ideals, effectively skewering Bernie, and paving the corporate engineered drive to continue its control of government.
Corporate America realized it's dream of holding the reins and driving the wagon of inequality hither and thither across the land, further grinding the hopes of the eternally foolish electorate into the dust.
No good will come of this abuse; look at Brexit, watch what occurs in France today; even if Le Pen doesn't win, Macron will be a last dying breath of the European Union, that elite controlled affair which has caused populism and nationalist fervor to be born again.
She shouldn't have destroyed her 33,000 emails. She shouldn't have accepted Donna Brazales' questions in advance of her debate w/DJT. SHe shouldn't have allowed a Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to minimize Bernie. She shouldn't have allowed her campaign to become a predominant DJT hate affair. She was too entitled, elite, lacked stamina and courage to go speak directly with white voters in the rust belt. She was the worst candidate possible in an election the Democrats snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory. Go away Hillary. You're a distraction, as is your husband, to the Progressive Movement.
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Transitions.
It appears that we need to explain the concept better to our Democratic leaders, for the sake of our party and people.
There's an ending. Then there's an uncomfortable period which is no (wo)man's land. Then, a new beginning.
Much that I love President Obama, VP Biden, and wanted Secretary Clinton to be president, they all need to focus on their future path - and that should be something other than a conscious or unconscious hogging of the spotlight depriving the new Democratic leadership of its rightful moment in the sun.
And, much that I love Bernie Sanders, he has his own transition decisions to make: decide whether he's independent or Democrat. He can't have his cake and eat it too: be an independent and expect the party and its infrastructure to support him. If he's a Democrat, fine: I welcome that call - if not, he needs to support Democrats who are aligned with his vision and values and rightfully deserving of leadership.
I thought Secretary Clinton had taken the time away from spotlight to move on to the in-between space before transitioning to her next role in life. Perhaps, she needs to grieve a bit before she moves on. But, the onus is on her to do so as those in her former life will keep reaching out to her. She has to recognize that phase for what it is: an ending.
Trump WAS her opponent. He's our nightmare now. The citizens are now engaged. The Resistance will handle him just fine. I have full faith in us.
It appears that we need to explain the concept better to our Democratic leaders, for the sake of our party and people.
There's an ending. Then there's an uncomfortable period which is no (wo)man's land. Then, a new beginning.
Much that I love President Obama, VP Biden, and wanted Secretary Clinton to be president, they all need to focus on their future path - and that should be something other than a conscious or unconscious hogging of the spotlight depriving the new Democratic leadership of its rightful moment in the sun.
And, much that I love Bernie Sanders, he has his own transition decisions to make: decide whether he's independent or Democrat. He can't have his cake and eat it too: be an independent and expect the party and its infrastructure to support him. If he's a Democrat, fine: I welcome that call - if not, he needs to support Democrats who are aligned with his vision and values and rightfully deserving of leadership.
I thought Secretary Clinton had taken the time away from spotlight to move on to the in-between space before transitioning to her next role in life. Perhaps, she needs to grieve a bit before she moves on. But, the onus is on her to do so as those in her former life will keep reaching out to her. She has to recognize that phase for what it is: an ending.
Trump WAS her opponent. He's our nightmare now. The citizens are now engaged. The Resistance will handle him just fine. I have full faith in us.
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There's nothing to be done about the election. We are burdened with this administration until the next round. The problems that put Trump into office are still with us. The Russian hack and the Comey intervention are still worth discussing.
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A nice post. I am so completely and totally sick of the election. Yet is won't go away.
I wish Hillary could see that the best way to retain any relevancy going forward is to talk about anything but.
Mr. Trump, meanwhile, makes me want to cry. As far as I can tell, his only policy goals are about settling scores. Not good enough.
I wish Hillary could see that the best way to retain any relevancy going forward is to talk about anything but.
Mr. Trump, meanwhile, makes me want to cry. As far as I can tell, his only policy goals are about settling scores. Not good enough.
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Before the country can heal it must decide it wants to heal.
A new twenty first century constitution would go a long way in defining shared values which might define the country,
It isn't going to happen.
I would recommend a peaceful two state solution and that is not going to happen.
I read all the comments and the only thing I can say is not sharing someone else's values does not make you an elite or an ignoramus it just makes you people who don't share common values.
What has disappeared is respect for those that don't share your values and once trust and respect is lost I don't think it will ever return.
A new twenty first century constitution would go a long way in defining shared values which might define the country,
It isn't going to happen.
I would recommend a peaceful two state solution and that is not going to happen.
I read all the comments and the only thing I can say is not sharing someone else's values does not make you an elite or an ignoramus it just makes you people who don't share common values.
What has disappeared is respect for those that don't share your values and once trust and respect is lost I don't think it will ever return.
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One of the positives of the result of this disastrous election is that the Clintons are now insignificant. But, to the broader point of bringing the nation together, "How does the party of moral values compromise with the Republicans and Trump? That is the question this author nor anyone else can answer?
Interesting the attack on Hillary for speaking. Is she supposed to b a robot who shouldn't process and discuss what happened. Why is it a bad thing that she is bringing up what everyone else (including the NY Times) is bringing up. Why suddenly this attack on "rehashing" the election when she has finally given an interview. As soon as the female speaks, there are these editorials to shut her down.
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If someone, say some army generals, staged a coup and arrested the members of the Executive, Legislative and Judaical branches, would you still say "What's the point? General X is now president of the United States." The hacking, voter suppression, fake news and possible collusion with our enemies certainly should not be shrugged off as resentful sniping.
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I'd like to replay this newspaper's role in the election. False equivalency masquerading as "fair and balanced" when there could be no such balance without distortion; toadying columnists only now try to figure out which way the wind is blowing; bizarre cadre of headline writers who cast doubt on science and facts; soft journalism stories on the Trump "children" who are manifestly grifters; weird shifts on tone in your editorials. If Hillary wanted to point to this newspaper and say "Et tu, Brute" it would be perfectly reasonable. I haven't cancelled my subscription, I live hear, I read the cultural coverage, and, well, Pete Wells.
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This the kind of nonsensical false equivalency that validates Trump and the republicans.
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There is no healing from Trump. Not as long as he is still in power and wreaking havoc on our nation. Mrs. Clinton as a private citizen can do and say whatever she feels like. Not true for Trump although he acts as though he can say and do no wrong. Our nation has not been in such danger since 1861.
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Really, we don't need or want Hillary Clinton to have anything further to do with the aspirations and future of our party. Our party apparatus has been controlled by the Clintons for decades, since President Obama never sought to or was able to seize control, seeing the DNC chair going to Clinton's former campaign chair and recent V.P. candidate.
The success of my party depends upon moving on from the Clintons. They have lost touch with both the working and middle classes and see themselves as loyal members of the top 0.1%. There were many reasons HRC lost. Money-grubbing corruption tops the list, followed by neocon hawkery and uninspired public speaking.
The success of my party depends upon moving on from the Clintons. They have lost touch with both the working and middle classes and see themselves as loyal members of the top 0.1%. There were many reasons HRC lost. Money-grubbing corruption tops the list, followed by neocon hawkery and uninspired public speaking.
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We are seeing the nyt striving for balanced coverage when we need truthful coverage. Hillary is responding to question in interviews, nothing wrong with that. Trump is glorifying himself and needs that adulation of his supporters and can't get past it. A lot wrong with that.
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Did the NYT learn nothing about FALSE EQUIVALENCY over the course of the sordid presidential campaign? Clinton was victim and her complaints are not only factually supported but also integral to sorting through the malaise and corruption of our political process. Trump was perpetrator. So add the media to Comey and Russia hackers. There is ample quantitative, substantive analysis of media treatment of Clinton and Trump to substantiate that the press, including the NYT apparently, needs to do a lot more soul searching before we can expect improved reporting objectivity and integrity.
The huge question confronting us is and must be where are Clinton and Obama now that it is clear beyond question that we need more not less counterweight to the unraveling of good governance and American integrity.
The huge question confronting us is and must be where are Clinton and Obama now that it is clear beyond question that we need more not less counterweight to the unraveling of good governance and American integrity.
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Right on, NYT!
Stop equating Hillary, who made mistakes, with Trump, who is mentally ill. Stop asking for a "healing" and its requisite move to some Kumbaya middle ground of understanding when one side epitomizes demagoguery, sexism, repression of women and minorities, hate, fear of other, destruction of the environment, enrichment of the already rich, and the destruction of our educational system - and is quite transparent about all of it. No. I don't want any "healing." I want victory. So stop it with the "healing" please already.
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The EB has very much contributed to the lack of comity between the parties. This is the first editorial written that unquestionably admits that there is no evidence of Russian tampering and that Donald Trump won the election. The editorial also throws in some innuendo about ethics violations and "increased foreign belligerence abroad." Maybe it is time also for this newspaper to start reporting the news instead of spreading propaganda.
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The New York Times is at it again, promoting a false equivalence between Trump's outrageous language/behavior and Mrs. Clinton's very reasonable remarks.
Good job, NYTs. Do you ever learn?
Good job, NYTs. Do you ever learn?
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I think the NY Times is continuing to long for a country that has seized to exist. Being fair and balanced by sharing the blame between Mr. Trump and Ms Clinton does not make any sense to me. Sure, Ms Clinton could have been more circumspect. However, I don't see anything in her statements that makes her culpable for the country not looking forward. There are mistakes that are irreversible. Iraq invasion is one of them. In my opinion, electing Mr. Trump president is another one. When republican leaders continue to capitalize on the election of Mr. Trump to accomplish their regressive plans while pretending to separate themselves from the childishness that is our president's major contribution to the country's civil live, then the NY Times straining to remain balanced by assigning some of the blame for the current state of affairs is somewhat perplexing.
The candidates were the sideshow to the reality of the last election. To ask them to heal something is to talk of healing a problem not addressed. Hillary lost because the Democrats lost the people, and Trump won because the people had no where else to go to. Hillary hustled the status quo and Trump hustled what ever would work... Until the Democratic party changes and returns to a real party of and for the people, instead of the party of the comfortable well off liberal who does not mind war and wants to rock few boats while tossing bones to the needy and those disenfranchised. There will be no healing.
Seems the public prefers gossip and innuendo to dealing with issues. Much like our politicians.
36 years ago I told my wife, and other people, the American Experiment had entered its end game and, within 50 years, 70 at the outside, we'd be some sort of fascistic autocracy. Previous to that, in 1974, I was telling people the Soviet Union would collapse in 15 years, 20 at the outside. Societies don't change overnight, they don't hinge on any single election.
We had a President who warned us about the paths we could choose. We kicked him out of office and chose the path of selfishness and greed. We got what we deserved. Can we fix it? Doubtful, but I'll still be around to see.
We had a President who warned us about the paths we could choose. We kicked him out of office and chose the path of selfishness and greed. We got what we deserved. Can we fix it? Doubtful, but I'll still be around to see.
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Here we go again, the NYT drawing stupid and false equivalences! Clinton is a private citizen and can say anything she wants about this regime (much of which is absolutely dead on). Trump is the president. Can't the editorial board spot the differences? The NYT specialized in creating false equivalences in the run to the elections and therefore is largely responsible for having allowed a clown to be our president in the first place. Have you learned nothing?
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A reader - John, in Washington - concludes that "Clinton didn't lose by a narrow margin, she lost big time, and Democrats need to look deeper to explain the losses in all branches of government." He bases his conclusion by comparing voting results for Clinton (2016) and Obama (2012) in "the six flipped states": Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, and Ohio.
I wonder if a comparison of the TOTAL VOTES, cast nationwide, for Clinton in 2016 and Obama in 2012 would reveal that Clinton lost the election because of the number of Democrats who ABSTAINED from voting, refusing to vote for Trump OR Clinton. (My guess is that the number of Democratic abstentions dwarfs the number of Democratic cross-over voters for Trump.)
Would the Times please bestir itself to determine whether and to what extent abstentions might have affected Clinton's loss?
I wonder if a comparison of the TOTAL VOTES, cast nationwide, for Clinton in 2016 and Obama in 2012 would reveal that Clinton lost the election because of the number of Democrats who ABSTAINED from voting, refusing to vote for Trump OR Clinton. (My guess is that the number of Democratic abstentions dwarfs the number of Democratic cross-over voters for Trump.)
Would the Times please bestir itself to determine whether and to what extent abstentions might have affected Clinton's loss?
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Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, and Tim Kaine all need to sit down somewhere and be quiet. Their focus now is on how to get back the white vote. Let's move away from identity politics, they chorus. Which means, let's stop talking about mass incarceration, overpolicing, school-to-prison pipeline, equal education and let's obsess about the truly beleaguered. White people.
I say it's time for black voters, especially black women, to put forth their own local candidates. The Democratic Party wants the black voter to disappear anyway.
I say it's time for black voters, especially black women, to put forth their own local candidates. The Democratic Party wants the black voter to disappear anyway.
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President Trump is in serious violation of the Constitution by continuing in his businesses while in office, whether or not his campaign was run in conjunction with Russia, and thus treasonous. The Times wishes the nation to "heal" with this cancer in place?
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Shame on the NYT editorial staff. This editorial is all of the worst kind of false equivalence the media has to offer. Mrs Clinton has said basically nothing for four months. Meanwhile Mr Trump and the GOP have spent the last 4 months trying to run this country into the ground. Yet you have equal opprobrium to heap on Mrs Clinton. One of the reasons the world is saddled with president Trump is the false equivalence in the media. The both sides are at fault mantra of papers is absurd.
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It's difficult to move on when to leave the trauma behind means leaving critically unresolved issues without closure. Wounds covered up and left to fester do not heal. New injuries inflicted daily by a hostile administration and unacknowledged by those who are elected to call them out, add pain onto pain until the victims are unable to do anything other than to scream in agony and plead for help.
As important as healthcare for all, infrastructure, foreign policy, national security, and all the things that drive a nation's future and well-being are, I believe that until the gaping, hideous wound of possible treason in the election on the part of the Trump campaign is given the primary focus it deserves and is finally put TRUTHFULLY to rest, this nation will never be able to meaningfully heal and move on.
As important as healthcare for all, infrastructure, foreign policy, national security, and all the things that drive a nation's future and well-being are, I believe that until the gaping, hideous wound of possible treason in the election on the part of the Trump campaign is given the primary focus it deserves and is finally put TRUTHFULLY to rest, this nation will never be able to meaningfully heal and move on.
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This is a prime example of the media's penchant for creating false equivalencies wherever possible. It is hurting America and it is hurting journalism. Trump has brought up the election many, many times - generally on his own initiative; Hillary gave one interview and responded to questions. How on earth does a fair minded person draw an equivalency based on those facts? They don't because it is intellectually dishonest to do so. We expect more from the Times.
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Time for Hillary to go back to Wall Street and hop on the speaking fee gravy train; just follow Barack.
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What's the point of attacking Trump? Are you kidding me? Here's the point: so this despicable presidency never becomes "normal." So this abnormal personality never becomes "normal." So the world knows the American people do not passively accept the shame he brings our country and each one of us every day. So that Trump's approval rating remains in the basement and Republicans in Congress, thereby, are encouraged to vote against his hateful, disastrous policies. Resist this presidency every day, fiercely, and with every moral, patriotic bone in our bodies. I applaud Hillary for speaking out. You go girl.
Infuriating. Your equating Hillary with Trump to uplift us. Are you kidding?! When are you people (the media) going to give this woman a break. She ran an honest campaign focused on America, American's, and issues, yet you gave Trump headlines and undo attention and press all the time. While she got bashed for every perceived slight. And now, this lying, unqualified, incompetent crook is our PRESIDENT, and your holding Hillary equally accountable for moving us on and helping to lift us up. Good Lord. This is enough to make me want to cancel my subscription. What a ridiculous and unwarranted Opine. Find someone else to blame. Not her. Not still her. Why does she need to be held accountable for our nation's, the media's, stupidity.
"who after all has a nation to run"
Donald doesn't run things, he sells them.
Donald doesn't run things, he sells them.
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Yes Hillary said " … We must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.” Well we gave him that and in the short time he's been in office he has proven he knows nothing about anything. Just because the election is over does not mean the fight is over and Hillary as a private citizen is involved with the rest of us in that fight to neutralize and remove this guy from office rather than normalize him and allow the damage to our democracy to continue. The NYT is losing credibility by being involved in normalizing a man that continues to accuse it of lying and being fake news. You have yet to challenge him to point out your lies or something you printed that was fake which makes me wonder if in fact you are lying and promoting fake news. I've cancelled my subscription to the Times for this reason and this is probably the last comment I will be able to submit. If the Gray Lady ever returns I will sign up for another subscription. Until then I'll stay informed elsewhere.
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Heal and move on? You've got to be kidding. A modern-day version of Emperor Nero is in the White House--a seriously deranged narcissistic bully who can't stop watching images of himself on cable TV--and you talk of healing and moving on?
There is no healing. There is only fighting.
There is no healing. There is only fighting.
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I agree. I don't expect any better from Trump but did expect better from Hillary Clinton. Trump hasn't anything that makes sense to talk about. He is woefully unread and knows nothing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. He studiies nothing and does not understand government, world affairs or what people need. Mrs. Clinton is so above him in understanding all these things it amazes me she could have been so naive in her email server (which I'm sick of hearing about..(either indict her or shut-up), taking those speaking fees from Wall Street..(Obama listen up), and is very aware of what Americans need. However, that she didn't address this in her campaign was another botched job. now get over it, Hillary. You have so much to still give. So stop reliving the campaign. We have enough of a setback in really vital things with 4 years of Trump in falling more behind in climate change issues, people issue's, health care, foreign policy, and attacks on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, etc., etc. She still has an important voice and needs to stop using it to bring her down to the level of the mendacious and erratic and obsessive Trump. Watch out Republicans, your making allot of people angry.
I'm totally in agreement with Hillary that I'd rather have Trump making stupid inflammatory tweets about her than about Kim Jong Un. Please don't criticize her for that.
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If there is anything as irritating as hearing D.Trump chatter about the 2016 election, it's hearing H.Clinton join in. She should have been protesting before Nov.8 -- loud and louder. In the weeks and months since then, Hillary might have been calling attention to every rotten thing that's gone down. She is the opposition, and she claimed to represent the liberal -- or at least centrist -- perspective. She is an expert on health care policy -- why is she talking about her email server while health care goes down the drain? And especially for women and disabled children -- another cause. What about federal funding for black colleges? Any comments? Hillary's lack of engagement -- before and after the election -- makes me sorry she ran. Trump is flying his freak flag high. Hillary could raise her voice more effectively: she won the popular majority, and people all over America voted for her. At the very least, she could stop talking about last year's presidential campaign. Meanwhile, re: Trump -- "If it looks like a white supremacist, acts like a white supremacist, and quacks like a white supremacist, then it probably is Donald J. Trump."
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This editorial present a false equivalence. If Trump were really trying to be a normal President for all the people, what Hilary Clinton does really wouldn't matter. But he appears to be out to slash and burn the whole country. In that context, every citizen, including Hilary Clinton, should be loudly denouncing his activities and organizing to oppose his administration and the toadies in Congress.
Grow a spine, NY Times Editorial Board!
Grow a spine, NY Times Editorial Board!
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NYTimes faults Clinton for not 'stronger togethering' with now President Trump. Sad.
And ridiculous.
And ridiculous.
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I'm profoundly disappointed in the Times' coverage of the election and its aftermath. Hard on Clinton (again) and giving Trump a pass (again) by promoting this blatant false equivalency. It's also misogynistic and sexist to imply that the little lady should sit down and and shut up. Shame on the Times and its editorial staff.
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I still blame this paper for pretending that Hillary was a winner. Forget about her she means nothing compared to the thug we have in the white house. Please focus on what I consider to be a most dangerous time for us. From my personal observation we cannot rule out dementia but it does not matter when I look at his world of alternate truth and this is our reality
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It continues to amaze me when riders accuse Mrs. Clinton of failing to acknowledge errors in their campaign. I've heard her address the issue at almost every interview she's given since the campaign loss. I imagine it will also be a significant portion of her upcoming book. The fact that she points out call me is disgraceful actions as well as collusions with Russia as a significant reason for her loss seems to me to be logical. There is a double standard that continues to be applied to Mrs. Clinton. The author is no exception to this rule. It's one of the main reasons why we have an idiot for a president
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An editorial board stuck in time
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Please stop wasting time and space on an issue that you have deemed as irrelevant. The election is over. Stop covering this type of drivel!
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NYT editors, how about removing the logs from your own eyes before pointing out the splinter in Mrs. Clinton's? Be accountable, at long last, for your endlessly false equivalence when it came to actual scandals surrounding Trump and the fake scandals (promoted by you) of Mrs. Clinton. Disclose your ties to NY field office of FBI and their illegal leaks to NYT.
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Mrs. Clinton does not owe this imbecile now presumably running our country a speck of respect.
Please stop forcing the false equivalencies.
Bottom line: Hillary is speaking of factual events, some of them being investigated by a Republican Congress.
Trump, the guy with his finger on the button, engages in fantasies with no basis in reality.
Bottom line: Hillary is speaking of factual events, some of them being investigated by a Republican Congress.
Trump, the guy with his finger on the button, engages in fantasies with no basis in reality.
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Please stop writing about Mrs. Clinton. That she was interviewed by Christiane Amanpour is not news, nor even interesting gossip. The sooner she is in the Democratic Party's rear-view mirror, the sooner we can get on with making the U. S. a civilized country and working to keep the planet habitable for human beings.
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Trump is a thin skinned incompetent who probably wakes up every morning surprised he is president. Because he really had no agenda and no knowledge of gov, he has no major accomplishments under his belt. Gorsuch and this health care bill are not his accomplishments. To stoke his fragile ego, and like all bullies, he needs someone(s) to rail against. Hillary is perfect since he's already beaten her. He can rest on past lorals.
For Hillary, it still smarts. It's hard to give up the notion she 'should' have been president- especially to a man like trump. For some people it takes a lifetime to get over trauma.
I do believe Hillary will move on. If nothing else, world and national circumstances will force her. She, like Obama, need to become forces in the Dem party while fostering new leadership to emerge.
I think trump will never move on. His raisin d'être is to be the 'king of his hill.' He needs to keep reminding his base that he won and 'Hillary is crooked.' I fear we will continue to hear this for the next 3 years and 7 months.
For Hillary, it still smarts. It's hard to give up the notion she 'should' have been president- especially to a man like trump. For some people it takes a lifetime to get over trauma.
I do believe Hillary will move on. If nothing else, world and national circumstances will force her. She, like Obama, need to become forces in the Dem party while fostering new leadership to emerge.
I think trump will never move on. His raisin d'être is to be the 'king of his hill.' He needs to keep reminding his base that he won and 'Hillary is crooked.' I fear we will continue to hear this for the next 3 years and 7 months.
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Hillary Clinton & Donald Trump are both vain, petty people.
The problem with Hillary speaking out about the election is that as long as she keeps relitigating it, she will impair the ability of the Democratic Party to develop new leadership.
I know it's always dangerous to generalize from a focus group of 1 (myself), but Hillary was a flawed candidate from the start. Back in 2007, when I started getting contribution requests from party insiders who were all in for Hillary, I didn't give because I didn't want to go back to the constant investigations and tensions of Bill and Hillary's tenure. Obama was a welcome antidote.
I hoped Joe Biden would run in 2016, and when he didn't I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary. Why? Similar reasons -- although I thought Hillary would make an excellent President, her tendency to start negotiations by asking for half a loaf was the same approach that got Obama in trouble during the 2011 debt ceiling near-debacle; and that approach sure as hell wouldn't work when Jason Chaffetz and company were undermining her by investigating the "target-rich environment" she created.
I voted for her enthusiastically when the alternative was Trump, but now -- let's just move on. Let Hillary offer policy thoughts: she has many that are excellent. But let's not treat her as a party leader. Let's find someone new and less flawed -- or someone old who can still run for the office like Biden or Sanders, who can articulate a vision and help the new generation find a leader without all Hillary's baggage.
I know it's always dangerous to generalize from a focus group of 1 (myself), but Hillary was a flawed candidate from the start. Back in 2007, when I started getting contribution requests from party insiders who were all in for Hillary, I didn't give because I didn't want to go back to the constant investigations and tensions of Bill and Hillary's tenure. Obama was a welcome antidote.
I hoped Joe Biden would run in 2016, and when he didn't I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary. Why? Similar reasons -- although I thought Hillary would make an excellent President, her tendency to start negotiations by asking for half a loaf was the same approach that got Obama in trouble during the 2011 debt ceiling near-debacle; and that approach sure as hell wouldn't work when Jason Chaffetz and company were undermining her by investigating the "target-rich environment" she created.
I voted for her enthusiastically when the alternative was Trump, but now -- let's just move on. Let Hillary offer policy thoughts: she has many that are excellent. But let's not treat her as a party leader. Let's find someone new and less flawed -- or someone old who can still run for the office like Biden or Sanders, who can articulate a vision and help the new generation find a leader without all Hillary's baggage.
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I voted Libertarian and will continue to do so in the future.
Both of these candidates were not worth voting for. They do not represent the American people. One, Trump, is a massive egotist and moron. The other, HRC, is a massive egotist and not a moron.
Spoken as a former loyal Dem.
Both of these candidates were not worth voting for. They do not represent the American people. One, Trump, is a massive egotist and moron. The other, HRC, is a massive egotist and not a moron.
Spoken as a former loyal Dem.
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Trump won in large part due to the fact that the average intelligence in this country has been steadily eroding, just as the repubs have been planning it. Short memories and imaginary thinking seem to have edged out thoughtful evaluation of the various candidates positions. Of course, the merchants of fasle equivalence didn't help matters much. Talkin' about you, mainstream media!
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NYTimes/Mitch McConnell: "And yet, she persist(s)(ed)".
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Once again, the Times---as others in the main stream media ---are guilty of false equivalence. There is only one devisive party here---and that's our so called "president"---the hate inspiring, narcissistic, crooked, self absorbed, man-baby Trump. Having no core values--other than self enrichment and self promotion---he is not only betraying the values of the county at large, but also of his so called "base".
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I disagree with the sentiment, "You win some; you lose some. Let it go." The election, which resulted in a disaster for our country, was won by the Republicans using cynical, vicious and undemocratic tactics, not by a fair iissue-driven contest. That affront needs to be exposed and contained before the next general election.
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As usual the media's false equivalence and bias continue whenever it opines or reports on Hillary Clinton. The New York Times stuck it to her on the news and editorial pages almost daily during the primaries and the general. We as a country do not yet know what elements added to campaign mistakes made by Clinton. But never has a candidate had a biased press, raging opposition party chanting "Lock Her Up," intervention by a hostile foreign country against her, and an FBI Director who made sure he stuck his finger on the scale in Trump's favor. Where are the press, GOP, Dems, and American people demanding that Trump get off the campaign trail and govern the country? Where are the press, GOP, Dems, and American people demanding an independent investigation into Russia's intervention in our presidential campaign and government? I'm not hearing it. But I continue to hear the New York Times insist through false equivalence that Clinton and Trump are the same and blame both equally. When is this newspaper going to own up to its role in putting Trump in the White House? I'm waiting but your guilty silence is deafening and damning.
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Besides all of Hillary's--and her Campaign's-- dumb moves, she still had several things working against her:
1. The Racism--of eliminating all record of a Black President--and the Sexism of having a Woman President. Donald Trump harped on these latent tendencies of a still undeveloped American political reality.
2. Third Paties swerve no purpose, as they are merely Pop-Ups, like those Tax-Preparers, which only exist for a few months around April 15. That Party has not members serving in state, local or national government on a regular basis. Those who voted for Gary Johnson (Marihuana Legalization) and Jill Stein (Environment) were, in deed, wasted votes. And now, both are even further away from their goal.
Donald Trump could never be bogged down on details, which he always claimed were "to follow", while Hillary Clinton's record of great public services, over the years, was well-know. Donald found what he could misrepresent, and the Dumb Em,ails--with Huma and Anthony Weiner making her look asinine--just made things even worse.
Donald J. Trump, America's new P. T. Barnum! SCOTUS Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said it best: "He's a faker!".
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
1. The Racism--of eliminating all record of a Black President--and the Sexism of having a Woman President. Donald Trump harped on these latent tendencies of a still undeveloped American political reality.
2. Third Paties swerve no purpose, as they are merely Pop-Ups, like those Tax-Preparers, which only exist for a few months around April 15. That Party has not members serving in state, local or national government on a regular basis. Those who voted for Gary Johnson (Marihuana Legalization) and Jill Stein (Environment) were, in deed, wasted votes. And now, both are even further away from their goal.
Donald Trump could never be bogged down on details, which he always claimed were "to follow", while Hillary Clinton's record of great public services, over the years, was well-know. Donald found what he could misrepresent, and the Dumb Em,ails--with Huma and Anthony Weiner making her look asinine--just made things even worse.
Donald J. Trump, America's new P. T. Barnum! SCOTUS Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said it best: "He's a faker!".
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
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Clinton lost the election for the same reason Obama lost the SCOTUS seat: they wimped out. Obama should have filed a suit with the supreme court requesting his right to send canditates regardless of how long it took the Senate to select one. And Clinton should have said "I was the boss at the State Department. The email policy is what I say it was." Instead, Obama stayed quiet and Clinton stayed on the defensive.
In the rough and tumble of politics, tough players steal the wimp's lunch money.
In the rough and tumble of politics, tough players steal the wimp's lunch money.
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The longer blue state liberals are stuck in resistance the longer red state conservatives will stick by Trump for no other reason than it's "use against them". The fact that Trump is a megalomaniac makes him an easy target for personal abuse, but the fact he is incompetent should make his policies the focus of criticism.
By sticking to Trump's foibles Democrats dilute the very real issues with Trump's policies - its didn't work for the Democrats during the election and it won't work now.
By sticking to Trump's foibles Democrats dilute the very real issues with Trump's policies - its didn't work for the Democrats during the election and it won't work now.
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Well, finally some sense from the NY Times Editorial board. She was always this person, entitled, unwilling to accept responsibility for her own actions and even dishonest at times. Too bad the Times didn't bother to vet her better before cramming her down our throats during the primaries. Oh well.
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I have to wonder who is responsible for this--one of the dumbest NYTimes editorials I've read in some time. Maybe the editors of this newspaper have become so lazy they've just let computers generate this stuff and then head out to brunch. "Yeah, just type 'Trump Clinton Kumbaya' and press enter." This is not some spat at a junior-high debate club. It is a fight for the future of the country. Possibly treasonous acts by the Trump campaign should absolutely be front and center. (See editorial series by LATimes.)
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Let's wait until the campaign investigation is over. And when Mr. Trump stops trampling people's rights.
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Hillary lost, Trump won...................end of story
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Well draft dodger trump won the elitist electoral college appointment but HRC crushed him with The American People's Vote by a stunning three million American votes.
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It is a stretch for the NYT to compare the obsessive lunacy (about the 2016 Presidential election) of Donald Trump and the recent comments by Hillary Clinton. In recent months, it seems to me, the Times and other media have been reaching out to the Right, in both opinion and reporting, in order to appear 'Fair and Balanced'. Your efforts are unnecessary and not welcome. I am interested in facts, not myth, hearsay, nor might-be's. Donald Trump and the Republican Congress are a danger to the well-being of Americans and the future of the United States. I urge you to keep on course. Too much is at stake.
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This is as much true for the public as the candidates. Liberals need to stop using every public forum as a vehicle for bashing Donald Trump--all it does is make conservatives even angrier.
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Seems like the NYTimes, WaPo, and much of the "mainstream media " are running away from the fact that they carefully laid the firewood for this bonfire. The Russians only brought the tinder, and Comey/NY FBI traitors just played with matches. In comparison, it seems that the French actually respect their electoral process.
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Think back, please, to the last time a nation elected a demagogue without responsibility to history, reason, or justice. And tell me if you really think that the "contenders" of other parties in that nation should have tried to smooth it over for him. They did, you know, and to the world's incredible harm.
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At the start of his term, I kept an open mind about Mr. Trump. Then, he chose his cabinet officers. He lies daily and put us through the Bannon influence. We continue to hear more about Russia and to live with dangerous unpredictability as his actions suggest he has few or no core beliefs.
Here in Washington State and, in particular, in Seattle, I feel snubbed. I feel like our nation was on the verge of a civil war after the election. Tensions and passions ran so high. I looked to see what Mr. Trump would do to try to bring us together, to be inclusive in his comments and actions. Unfortunately, he only visits the places where he won. He threatens funding to sanctuary cities. He threatened to take away the money we need to try to protect and improve the Puget Sound, which is deteriorating. He guided us to a health bill that threatens me, threatens his primary constituency, and supports a belief that his main goal is to make Mr. Trump richer.
Passions may not be so obviously running high I try to avoid the bitterness and resentment that seemed to bring may to the polls for Trump, but he has turned his back on me in ways that go beyond benign neglect.
Here in Washington State and, in particular, in Seattle, I feel snubbed. I feel like our nation was on the verge of a civil war after the election. Tensions and passions ran so high. I looked to see what Mr. Trump would do to try to bring us together, to be inclusive in his comments and actions. Unfortunately, he only visits the places where he won. He threatens funding to sanctuary cities. He threatened to take away the money we need to try to protect and improve the Puget Sound, which is deteriorating. He guided us to a health bill that threatens me, threatens his primary constituency, and supports a belief that his main goal is to make Mr. Trump richer.
Passions may not be so obviously running high I try to avoid the bitterness and resentment that seemed to bring may to the polls for Trump, but he has turned his back on me in ways that go beyond benign neglect.
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Once a yellow-dog Democrat, now a strongly left-leaning Independent, I remain horrified by the Republican Party and disappointed in the Democratic Party. Both parties presently have one and only one virtue: a clear principle which dictates its position on all issues. For the Republicans, it is to cut taxes and regulations to increase profits, as if money makes and measures self-worth. For the Democrats, it is to serve, by turns, identity-based groups in the name of diversity, as if differences accommodate equality in all things. Neither party offers a coherent, much less a cogent, vision of an American society guided by a democratic Constitution. Instead, the structure of American democracy is being eroded by both parties as the political foundations based on Enlightenment thinking gives way to Romantic feelings. The decline of rhetoric--of respect for facts, logic, and one's opponent--gives way to "alternative facts," Tweets, and insults and insinuations. The alarming questions are where are we headed and what will he find when we get there? Neither party offers answers.
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Thankfully there are OpEd contributors worth reading here. Unfortunately, this editorial isn't, as regards Hillary.
It is very appropriate after three months for her to comment and offer her reflections on Trump's disastrous behavior in office and on the course of events during the election. He perilously debases the presidency and our standing in the international community. Forces within and without played roles, not yet well understood, in the election. Why shouldn't she speak up? How long is long enough to wait?
This harkens back to the quality of NYT Intifada editorials of the past ... sadly.
It is very appropriate after three months for her to comment and offer her reflections on Trump's disastrous behavior in office and on the course of events during the election. He perilously debases the presidency and our standing in the international community. Forces within and without played roles, not yet well understood, in the election. Why shouldn't she speak up? How long is long enough to wait?
This harkens back to the quality of NYT Intifada editorials of the past ... sadly.
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President Trump missed his opportunity. What he could have done after the election was to acknowledge that he lost the popular vote. Taking Leader McConnell's view that the election represented voters' choice for SCOTUS nomination, he could have renominated Judge Garland. That kind of magnanimity would have done a lot to heal the country.
Instead, he incredibly (literally, nobody believes it but Trump) and falsely claimed to have won the popular vote. With his self-delusional "mandate," he has run roughshod over the aspirations of more than half of America. As for Republicans who know better but hypocritically cheer him on? In the words of Jesus: Woe to them, their condemnation is just.
Instead, he incredibly (literally, nobody believes it but Trump) and falsely claimed to have won the popular vote. With his self-delusional "mandate," he has run roughshod over the aspirations of more than half of America. As for Republicans who know better but hypocritically cheer him on? In the words of Jesus: Woe to them, their condemnation is just.
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opposing Donald is not political partisanship; it's patriotic duty.
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The point is that people committed crimes and we have an insane person as our president. There are many unanswered questions and we may have a president that should be impeached. How are we supposed to move forward from there?
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Hillary does not belong in the same lecture with Donald. Shame on YOU.
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Would the NYTimes Editors prefer if Watergate passed unrevealed and unraveled? I'm totally sick of equivocating Trump's blatant lies with Clinton's plausible and as yet totally disproven allegations. There is no equivalence and media should stop it once and for all. NPR is a serious complicit culprit in this massive media mistake. Progressives should not forget and move on, but remember, learn and move forward with action. Not action against Trump, but action at local and state level elections. Get ready for 2018! It's just a few months away. Where are the new progressive candidates? Sanders and Warren are already elected. We need about 100 more equally inspiring new faces. Clinton's fact checking and reminding is just fine as far as I'm concerned.
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Well, this is all noble sentiment, but when a sitting president viciously attacks his predecessor, Obama, and accuses him of criminal actions, bugging the campaign, then nobility has to take a step back to outrage. Mrs. Clinton is right to be outraged even if there is no "proof" that Comey and the Russians critically swayed the election. There never can be proof because such questions turn on what happened inside the minds of millions of voters. As for Russia, who is going to go there and uncover a smoking gun or, more likely, a smoking computer used to hack the campaign? Besides, Mrs. Clinton was asked questions about these matters. Not answering them would have been seen as evasion.
Mrs. Clinton's biggest unforced error, however, was to run in the first place and to run without an overarching vision for the presidency. Did she really need the extra helping of abuse having been targeted by Republicans and right wing media for 25 years? A careful self assessment would have shown that she is far from a natural campaigner and loaded with more baggage than a 747 headed to Europe.
Sympathy she should surely get, however. When in American history has a chant calling for an opponent to be locked up been made a routine part of campaign rallies? When previously had such a vicious claim been made from the podium of a national convention? The efforts against her were so outrageous that they suggest our nation has come unglued and is moving toward being ungovernable by anyone.
Mrs. Clinton's biggest unforced error, however, was to run in the first place and to run without an overarching vision for the presidency. Did she really need the extra helping of abuse having been targeted by Republicans and right wing media for 25 years? A careful self assessment would have shown that she is far from a natural campaigner and loaded with more baggage than a 747 headed to Europe.
Sympathy she should surely get, however. When in American history has a chant calling for an opponent to be locked up been made a routine part of campaign rallies? When previously had such a vicious claim been made from the podium of a national convention? The efforts against her were so outrageous that they suggest our nation has come unglued and is moving toward being ungovernable by anyone.
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They're not candidates any longer as that election is over. But will not be forgotten for the bad smell detected the whole way around the world.
Why would you, the NYTs, use false equivalency in an editorial? Is it because without false equivalency the Right side has no real argument most of the time?
Why would you, the NYTs, use false equivalency in an editorial? Is it because without false equivalency the Right side has no real argument most of the time?
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False equivalence strikes again.
If anyone hasn't read the Nate Silver piece, nose your chance. As part of his broader argument, he presents some good examples of the NYT's poor handling of the election (and, by extension, complicity in Mr. Trump's triumph).
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clin...
If anyone hasn't read the Nate Silver piece, nose your chance. As part of his broader argument, he presents some good examples of the NYT's poor handling of the election (and, by extension, complicity in Mr. Trump's triumph).
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clin...
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Hmmm, Democrats who endured eight years of mindless vitriol are advised to just get over it half a year after the election? Inspirational advice, NYT, but occasionally anger is righteous and necessary to protect the weak and vulnerable. No, thank you.
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Simply put for what this is worth She needs to move on; He needs to move on and the NY Times Editors need to move on. You are all stuck in a time feeding yesterday and skipping today and looking for a brighter future.
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Hillary Clinton isn't thinking strategically about what's best for her party. The Democrats would be better off if they were able to move on after last November's disaster. Clinton was the most unpopular candidate in history, save for the guy who actually got elected. The thing to do is to put the Clinton's behind us and move on to fresh faces and new ideas.
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I agree with you that Mrs. Clinton needs to step aside for new voices to be able to come forward for the Democrats.
But there have been others in the Democratic Party who have been put forward by the exterme liberal and progressive wings of the Party, George McGovern and Michael Dukakis.
The message from those losses, like the one from Hillary's election, is that appealing solely to the Democratic electorate doesn't necessarily win elections.
But there have been others in the Democratic Party who have been put forward by the exterme liberal and progressive wings of the Party, George McGovern and Michael Dukakis.
The message from those losses, like the one from Hillary's election, is that appealing solely to the Democratic electorate doesn't necessarily win elections.
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Who cares what Hillary says?
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If there is one thing HRC is not it is a shrinking violet.
And if draft dodger trump or the NYT editorial board thinks she's going away after his behavior then you guys are living in a fantasy world.
HRC knows her overwhelming popular vote victory drives the draft dodging president crazy
Everytime HRC is on screen she is introduced as The Winner of the 2016 popular vote and you can almost hear draft dodger trump whining in the distance.
She only has to show her face and draft dodger trump is rendered an even bigger babbling fool than usual.
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
-Sun Tzu
And if draft dodger trump or the NYT editorial board thinks she's going away after his behavior then you guys are living in a fantasy world.
HRC knows her overwhelming popular vote victory drives the draft dodging president crazy
Everytime HRC is on screen she is introduced as The Winner of the 2016 popular vote and you can almost hear draft dodger trump whining in the distance.
She only has to show her face and draft dodger trump is rendered an even bigger babbling fool than usual.
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
-Sun Tzu
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I am reminded that Hillary is married to a draft-dodging husband.
Her loss to Trump clearly is driving HER crazy.
And, trotting out the "popular vote" tripe fails to recognize that the rules of presidential elections have been exactly the same since 1787.
It is telling that Hillary Clinton and her vaunted campaign operatives, as well as Hillary, couldn't figure that one out.
Are you really saying to us that someone who is that blind to the realities of elections actually deserved to be elected?
Her loss to Trump clearly is driving HER crazy.
And, trotting out the "popular vote" tripe fails to recognize that the rules of presidential elections have been exactly the same since 1787.
It is telling that Hillary Clinton and her vaunted campaign operatives, as well as Hillary, couldn't figure that one out.
Are you really saying to us that someone who is that blind to the realities of elections actually deserved to be elected?
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It is disturbing to read an NYT's editorial that advises anyone to shut up and not express their opinion. Is that what you want Clinton to do? "Just let it go," you advise.
Yes, Clinton maybe a very vocal loser for a long time just as Trump may boast about his ill gotten presidency every single day for the rest of his orange colored life. This is called freedom of speech and criticizing any form of it is bad form. Stop it.
Yes, Clinton maybe a very vocal loser for a long time just as Trump may boast about his ill gotten presidency every single day for the rest of his orange colored life. This is called freedom of speech and criticizing any form of it is bad form. Stop it.
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Jim Comey's inexcusable interference in the Presidential election, the Russia-Wikileaks attempted sabotage of the election, the increasingly obvious collaboration of the Trump Campaign with Russian democracy destabilization efforts, and the disgusting GOP efforts to stall and derail any investigation of the Trump-Russia links are the major political scandal of our times.
Hillary Clinton would be irresponsible if she were to remain silent. She, as was the nation, a victim of the Trump-Russia-Comey actions. If this is not to happen again Mrs. Clinton and this newspaper must aggressively push for transparency of what happened. Being quiet and gracious about these outrages is not good for our democracy
Hillary Clinton would be irresponsible if she were to remain silent. She, as was the nation, a victim of the Trump-Russia-Comey actions. If this is not to happen again Mrs. Clinton and this newspaper must aggressively push for transparency of what happened. Being quiet and gracious about these outrages is not good for our democracy
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One of the oddest. most painfully forced examples of the false equivalency doctrine I've seen in a while.
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Perhaps the NYT should start considering that Mrs Clinton is a person, with human feelings, who suffered through the worst election in history. This newspaper has contributed to undermine her during her presidential bid, so maybe it's time to stop criticizing her, and stop writing silly editorials, that have no other purpose than make the people who write them feel important. The NYT editorial board should move on from the campaign and stop bothering his readers with this kind of useless and aggravating writing.
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Currently, the aspirations of the Democratic party directly reflect our grievances. The two things are hardly separable at this early point in the new presidency. Every action Trump takes compounds my grievances. I aspire to see him and every Republican who supports him soundly defeated and (were it still possible) tarred, feathered, and run out of D.C. on rails, not only for their actions in 2017 but since 2008. The whole lot of them. Gone!
Calls for healing are premature and naive. From my perspective, Trump is trying to dismantle my government, and if the divisions are allowed to heal, he will do so with far more impunity than he currently enjoys.
Calls for healing are premature and naive. From my perspective, Trump is trying to dismantle my government, and if the divisions are allowed to heal, he will do so with far more impunity than he currently enjoys.
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If only the New York Times would practice what it so eloquently preaches in this editorial.
The gist of this piece is, of course, very much on the mark. Both candidates need to move on, and as president, the onus is on Mr. Trump.
That said, since the election, the opinion pages of the Times have been one of the most divisive forces in the land. It is certainly true that it is the job of the media to keep a vigilant eye on the current administration. And the Trump presidency, more that most, requires the watchful and critical eye of the press. But the Times, day after day, goes too far, with overwrought, often gratuitous Republican bashing. Occasionally, the opinion pieces even cross the line to falsehood, though more often yours are journalistic sins of omission rather than commission, with key facts that support to conservative perspective deliberately omitted from your coverage.
The Trump administration is going to be with us for at least three and half more years. Denizens of both sides of the aisle should govern with, pardon the condescension, maturity. And the Times, particular the Editorial Board and many columnists, should park their high horse on a distant ranch.
The gist of this piece is, of course, very much on the mark. Both candidates need to move on, and as president, the onus is on Mr. Trump.
That said, since the election, the opinion pages of the Times have been one of the most divisive forces in the land. It is certainly true that it is the job of the media to keep a vigilant eye on the current administration. And the Trump presidency, more that most, requires the watchful and critical eye of the press. But the Times, day after day, goes too far, with overwrought, often gratuitous Republican bashing. Occasionally, the opinion pieces even cross the line to falsehood, though more often yours are journalistic sins of omission rather than commission, with key facts that support to conservative perspective deliberately omitted from your coverage.
The Trump administration is going to be with us for at least three and half more years. Denizens of both sides of the aisle should govern with, pardon the condescension, maturity. And the Times, particular the Editorial Board and many columnists, should park their high horse on a distant ranch.
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If these two were to disappear today, I would say, "good deal, if I never see or hear from either of them again, it will be too soon." At some point, I hope the country will be able to move forward, and put this awful period, in American history, far behind us. I also hope that "the Resistance," will help make that possible.
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NY Times - stuck in false equivalency.
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Hillary has been silent for months!! Let's be fair here-- there comes a time when even the most disciplined person can no longer refrain from speaking out against slurs, lies and innuendo hurled their way day after day, week after week, month after month. Give her a break and let her have a little bit of fun - dishing out a few barbs of her own. This editorial was way over the top in its " analysis" of this recent interview.
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As an outside observer who was in Washington DC the week before the election and saw the political mood shift, I have no doubt that Mr. Comey's second press conference influenced enough people to tip the election to President Trump.
But that is not the end of the story. Mrs. Clinton made the critical decision not to distance herself from Ms. Abedin. However, commendable preservation of the friendship might have been, it was disastrous politically. It was Ms. Adedin's continued relationship with Mr. Weiner, with his sordid e-mail server that tipped the balance against Mrs. Clinton. That Ms. Adedin sent apparently classified e-mails to the server she shared with Mr. Weiner showed exceptionally poor judgment and indirectly led to Mr. Comey's "sexting" investigation finding the State Department e-mails.
Mrs. Clinton put her personal long standing personal relationship with Ms. Abedin ahead of political prudence. That ill fated step (as well as her own decision to establish a private e-mail server) led directly to her political downfall,
"Pride cometh before a fall".
But that is not the end of the story. Mrs. Clinton made the critical decision not to distance herself from Ms. Abedin. However, commendable preservation of the friendship might have been, it was disastrous politically. It was Ms. Adedin's continued relationship with Mr. Weiner, with his sordid e-mail server that tipped the balance against Mrs. Clinton. That Ms. Adedin sent apparently classified e-mails to the server she shared with Mr. Weiner showed exceptionally poor judgment and indirectly led to Mr. Comey's "sexting" investigation finding the State Department e-mails.
Mrs. Clinton put her personal long standing personal relationship with Ms. Abedin ahead of political prudence. That ill fated step (as well as her own decision to establish a private e-mail server) led directly to her political downfall,
"Pride cometh before a fall".
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The failure that you catalog, former politician, is but one of many strategic and tactical blunders that Hillary Clinton made during her campaign.
It is likely that the cumulative weight of these blunders had far more to do with her loss than with any specific failure. Each one played to the conclusion Hillary Clinton was far too prone to committing such errors and far from being able to learn from her mistakes.
It is likely that the cumulative weight of these blunders had far more to do with her loss than with any specific failure. Each one played to the conclusion Hillary Clinton was far too prone to committing such errors and far from being able to learn from her mistakes.
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Well, let's see how quickly 'you' people would move on when something you fought so hard for, something so precious to you was stolen away by the failing school yard bully, too eagerly 'aided' by many you chatted and ate lunch with every day, and by those who had been horribly victimized by the same bully (e.g., white women?). Until you've been there, you can't know. YOU ask too much, and YOU know too little about the human condition. It's from the 'winner' we should be demanding MORE. And yet somewhere in your pontificating here, I noted even YOU recognize he is not up to the occasion, and never will be.
BE MORE RESPONSIBLE.
BE MORE RESPONSIBLE.
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"Hillary has a right to vent once about the terrible election!"
Haven't we had enough?
The Clintons & neoliberalism have had a stranglehold on the Democratic Party for 25+ yrs. Bill Clinton was competent but nearly destroyed his presidency w/ a sex scandal that arguably cost Gore the 2000 election. One would think we'd had enough of the Clintons but 2000 was just the start of Hillary's 16 yr campaign to reclaim the presidency for Clintonism - policies that unfairly imprisoned minorities - devastated black communities - & 'welfare reform' that left millions of women & children in poverty. The Clintons had no 'progressive' policies - Bill's policies harmed minority & working people & she was more of the same. The Clintons were furious in 2008 Obama got in their way - fury they repeated against progressive Bernie Sanders.
Hillary might have become a fine senator but was too busy running for president to leave a meaningful legacy. The Clintons overweening ambition for themselves at the expense of the people helped install George Bush & Trump in the White House.
The Democratic party needs to exorcise the Clintons because they refuse to go away on their own. Notice how quiet Carter & the Bushes are? Why do the Clintons still need so much attention?
8 years in the White House would have been enough for normal people. The Clintons belief they deserved 8 more yrs shows how narcissistic they are. FDR was elected to 4 terms but nobody thinks Bill & Hillary were the equals of FDR.
Haven't we had enough?
The Clintons & neoliberalism have had a stranglehold on the Democratic Party for 25+ yrs. Bill Clinton was competent but nearly destroyed his presidency w/ a sex scandal that arguably cost Gore the 2000 election. One would think we'd had enough of the Clintons but 2000 was just the start of Hillary's 16 yr campaign to reclaim the presidency for Clintonism - policies that unfairly imprisoned minorities - devastated black communities - & 'welfare reform' that left millions of women & children in poverty. The Clintons had no 'progressive' policies - Bill's policies harmed minority & working people & she was more of the same. The Clintons were furious in 2008 Obama got in their way - fury they repeated against progressive Bernie Sanders.
Hillary might have become a fine senator but was too busy running for president to leave a meaningful legacy. The Clintons overweening ambition for themselves at the expense of the people helped install George Bush & Trump in the White House.
The Democratic party needs to exorcise the Clintons because they refuse to go away on their own. Notice how quiet Carter & the Bushes are? Why do the Clintons still need so much attention?
8 years in the White House would have been enough for normal people. The Clintons belief they deserved 8 more yrs shows how narcissistic they are. FDR was elected to 4 terms but nobody thinks Bill & Hillary were the equals of FDR.
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My comment: What Marlowe and Glen Macdonald said! The first two comments I read, which nailed it: The NY Times is as much a part of the problem as the candidates they assail, especially when continuing a false equivalency.
And now they're hiring climate change deniers away from the (Up Against the) Wall St Journal. If I want to read lies and dissembling, I can get my own copy of the WSJ, or tune into Fox fake news.
Why am I a subscriber here again?? Having trouble remembering...
And now they're hiring climate change deniers away from the (Up Against the) Wall St Journal. If I want to read lies and dissembling, I can get my own copy of the WSJ, or tune into Fox fake news.
Why am I a subscriber here again?? Having trouble remembering...
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False equivalence once again rears its ugly head. How anyone could put Clinton's few, relatively measured remarks made in response to questions she was asked in anything like the same ballpark as Trump's constant, unprompted boasting and rally chants of "lock her up" is beyond me.
And for the poster below who couldn't vote for Clinton because she couldn't trust her to put country ahead of her own interests and ambition, I am honestly aghast. There were two choices in this election. Did you really think that Donald J. Trump would be LESS likely than HRC to put self-dealing, nepotism, personal avarice and pride over country? How has that vote worked out for you???
Whether it's the media equating Clinton's very mild remarks with Trump's egregious and nonstop offensiveness, or the voters who just "couldn't bring themselves" to vote for Clinton despite ample evidence of Trump's far greater flaws, it's clear once again that the first woman to be a true contender for the Presidency has to be far, far better than the man she ran against ... but she won't get any credit for her superiority.
And for the poster below who couldn't vote for Clinton because she couldn't trust her to put country ahead of her own interests and ambition, I am honestly aghast. There were two choices in this election. Did you really think that Donald J. Trump would be LESS likely than HRC to put self-dealing, nepotism, personal avarice and pride over country? How has that vote worked out for you???
Whether it's the media equating Clinton's very mild remarks with Trump's egregious and nonstop offensiveness, or the voters who just "couldn't bring themselves" to vote for Clinton despite ample evidence of Trump's far greater flaws, it's clear once again that the first woman to be a true contender for the Presidency has to be far, far better than the man she ran against ... but she won't get any credit for her superiority.
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We gave Trump an open mind and chance to lead.
He still hasn't taken advantage of it. He's still the exact same boorish, greedy fool he was one year ago.
Call a spade a spade.
He still hasn't taken advantage of it. He's still the exact same boorish, greedy fool he was one year ago.
Call a spade a spade.
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I'm not a big fan of Sec. Clinton, but I give her pass on her comments this week. Throughout the campaign I thought she behaved with remarkable self-restraint against an individual and party that redefined the meaning of crudeness. Add to this crudeness, Russian hacking and FBI interference, and then to win the popular vote---let Sec. Clinton have a month or more of letting her feelings hang out.
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MRS. Clinton. The rest is idle talk.
She and her over paid over partied, coddled, insulated advisors and STAFF(you really thought the republicans weren't gonna go after yer dirtbag fool of a husband HUMA)could be all of the above if they had chosen Bernie Sanders as VP. But no.
Same ego and personality issues mr wonderful has. The thought of listening to that grating harpy for ten minutes sent us into the twilight zone, we may never get back out.
She and her over paid over partied, coddled, insulated advisors and STAFF(you really thought the republicans weren't gonna go after yer dirtbag fool of a husband HUMA)could be all of the above if they had chosen Bernie Sanders as VP. But no.
Same ego and personality issues mr wonderful has. The thought of listening to that grating harpy for ten minutes sent us into the twilight zone, we may never get back out.
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I agree with the editorial with the following qualifications:
1. Clinton's post election comments are tiresome
2. Trump's post election obsession is very worrying
1. Clinton's post election comments are tiresome
2. Trump's post election obsession is very worrying
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I'm past believing that better and higher political discourse can be found in a grade school.
The newspaper of record for the 2016 election, an historical event that is far from running its course, has made a plea to just move on. How odd.
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In France today there will be an election with disturbing similarities to the US election in November. The most important is that a large segment of the French voting public find neither candidate appealing with as much of 20% of the electorate deciding to abstain from casting ballots. Factor in Brexit and the pattern is very clear. Established political parties are seen as impediments to the types of change sought by crumbling middle classes here and in Europe opening the gates to the likes of Trump and LaPen. The center, as it has been said, cannot hold.
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Mr. Trump and Ms. Clinton both were widely despised as being candidates of, by, and for the rich, and both were extremely self absorbed. Nothing has changed. Should we be surprised?
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Trump, after one of the stranger elections in our history, has failed to equip us with a functioning government. Clinton --- like scores of millions of her fellow citizens --- is concerned about the rush to disaster. She even says mean things about the perpetrators. Bad Hillary!
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I'll bet I'm not the only one who thought, from the headline, that this was going to be about Hillary and Bernie.
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Is it your presumption that now that the election is over all loyal Americans will pull together regardless of which candidate they supported in the election? Loyal opposition is very much a tradition of British government , even if only an occasional one. In America it has been quite the other way since John Adams was referred to as His Rotundity.
While my father was in Europe in World War II my mother worked for the DC Transit Authority. Her boss would never mention the president's name , only referring to That Man in the White House.
Trump does not know how to govern any more than he knows how to run a casino. He only knows how to get publicity and make deals, whether those deals turned out to be good or bad. You could make a case that Hillary should give it up and go back to being a housewife, but that has not been the style of either Bill or Hillary. And The Beat Goes On. Welcome to 2020.
While my father was in Europe in World War II my mother worked for the DC Transit Authority. Her boss would never mention the president's name , only referring to That Man in the White House.
Trump does not know how to govern any more than he knows how to run a casino. He only knows how to get publicity and make deals, whether those deals turned out to be good or bad. You could make a case that Hillary should give it up and go back to being a housewife, but that has not been the style of either Bill or Hillary. And The Beat Goes On. Welcome to 2020.
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Another case of a misguided false equivalency that the media seem to love so much. Trump is the president and as such is expected to lead the country and to advance the national interest. The only way this can be done is by acting in a mature and intelligent fashion, reaching out to people on all points of the political spectrum and compromising to get things done. Clinton on the other hand is now a private citizen, she is entitled to her opinions and owes no one anything. Perhaps more importantly, there is no equivalency to be drawn between the manner in which he has comported himself and the way in which Clinton has gone about her business since the election. He has behaved like a six year old despotic tyrant, whereas she has for the most part has remained out of the limelight.
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I get more than mildly nauseous every time I hear DJT talk about how "they said we couldn't get to 270" but I'm even more ill when I hear HJC talk about if "the election was held on Oct 28th". Secretary Clinton didn't lose because of the FBI investigation. The NYT's daily poll had her at 88/12 the day before the election. The FBI report should have made that 80/20 at best. She lost because somehow an unemployed welder from Michigan identified more with a billionaire living in a gilded penthouse than a woman who has worked for the public good since her 20's. The Democratic party needs to figure that out - and fast.
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Being in an early voting state, I'd already cast my vote before Comey jumped into the fray. He wouldn't have changed it.
There should have been no comments from Comey once early voting began. He should have thought it through, that the election was already in progress.
There should have been no comments from Comey once early voting began. He should have thought it through, that the election was already in progress.
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False equivalency. Trump lies daily, even about things that can be easily disproven. Clinton is telling the truth, albeit that she is not facing up to some hard truths about her own failures and those of the Democratic party for the last 30 years. Clinton has her flaws, but she is not mentally unstable nor is she President. There's no point in talking about healing until the cancer is removed.
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hrc never ever lied to the American public. right?
With its substantial left wing bias, the Times has only widened the partisan divide in the US.
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Yes.
Facts are known to have a distinctly liberal bias.
Facts are known to have a distinctly liberal bias.
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The best explanation of why HRC lost was given by former Obama Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack on a discussion program on WAMC-FM a public radio station in Albany, NY.
Vilsack explains why HRC lost rural America.
http://wamc.org/term/tom-vilsack
Vilsack explains why HRC lost rural America.
http://wamc.org/term/tom-vilsack
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Tom Vilsack is a foundling whose life was saved by the Roman Catholic Church.
Perhaps nominating him to be vice president would have given reassurance that Democrats don't want people who get shaky starts in life to be given-up on.
Perhaps nominating him to be vice president would have given reassurance that Democrats don't want people who get shaky starts in life to be given-up on.
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The false equivalency here is sickening and absurd. Hillary is not the president who is wrecking so much damage on our country both here and abroad. Who cares if she's bitter and disgusted. And is it her fault that Trump is using her as his foil? She has a right and a duty to speak the truth, or is she supposed to keep her mouth shut because the truth about Trump is so awful? You're supposed to be better than this New York Times.
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You captured my sentiment exactly!
Trump has a problem.
He made promises to his base of displaced workers that he can not keep.
The only thing he can do is inflame his base with rhetoric.
But at some point that base will understand they have been played for fools by Trump.
Trump needs the support of his base to put thru economic programs [tax cuts for the rich and slashing of social programs including health care] that will worsen the economic status of his base.
HRC lost because she did not address the concerns of displaced workers.
She lost Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, [total 64 electoral votes] and the election.
Telling laid off coal miners to become call center operators at a fraction of their former wage is not a solution.
There are programs that could have helped restore the income of the displaced workers but HRC did not propose them because such programs would decrease HRC's wealth.
The Democrats should now ignore HRC.
The Dems must propose programs to help the displaced workers.
If they do not these displaced persons will continue to vote for and elect demagogues like and worse than donald.
He made promises to his base of displaced workers that he can not keep.
The only thing he can do is inflame his base with rhetoric.
But at some point that base will understand they have been played for fools by Trump.
Trump needs the support of his base to put thru economic programs [tax cuts for the rich and slashing of social programs including health care] that will worsen the economic status of his base.
HRC lost because she did not address the concerns of displaced workers.
She lost Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, [total 64 electoral votes] and the election.
Telling laid off coal miners to become call center operators at a fraction of their former wage is not a solution.
There are programs that could have helped restore the income of the displaced workers but HRC did not propose them because such programs would decrease HRC's wealth.
The Democrats should now ignore HRC.
The Dems must propose programs to help the displaced workers.
If they do not these displaced persons will continue to vote for and elect demagogues like and worse than donald.
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"Telling laid off coal miners to become call center operators at a fraction of their former wage is not a solution."
But this is not the reality. Those jobs and nothing like them are coming back. Trump has lied to them. If they want something different, they will have to pick up and move, + upgrade their skills just like every other 55 year old in America who wants to continue working.
"There are programs that could have helped restore the income of the displaced workers"
The evidence does not support that. I've seen tons of 50 year old people in College Algebra classes in night school but they usually wash out. It's hard.
". . . but HRC did not propose them because such programs would decrease HRC's wealth"
Huh?
But this is not the reality. Those jobs and nothing like them are coming back. Trump has lied to them. If they want something different, they will have to pick up and move, + upgrade their skills just like every other 55 year old in America who wants to continue working.
"There are programs that could have helped restore the income of the displaced workers"
The evidence does not support that. I've seen tons of 50 year old people in College Algebra classes in night school but they usually wash out. It's hard.
". . . but HRC did not propose them because such programs would decrease HRC's wealth"
Huh?
The Con Don should have run as his real party's candidate - The International Mafia - and even the most deplorable might not have voted for him - or against a woman.
No, Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton only needs to help WE THE PEOPLE get The Con Don and his Robber Baron party OUT of OUR GOVERNMENTS at every level.
Here is a start:
https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/2017/04/28/la-city-council-committee-v...
No, Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton only needs to help WE THE PEOPLE get The Con Don and his Robber Baron party OUT of OUR GOVERNMENTS at every level.
Here is a start:
https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/2017/04/28/la-city-council-committee-v...
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For all of you Constitutionally challenged Trump haters, the proper phrase would be "Impeach and Convict Trump". Bill Clinton was impeached, but he wasn't convicted, so he remained in office, much to the chagrin of Al Gore. Also, you will note that, like electing a president in the US, the popular doesn't carry squat when it comes to impeachment proceedings.
Are you implying we should have a "One Party" democracy? i.e. The Democrats
Somebody has to be leading the opponents of Trump, which presumably would be Democrats, toward policies which address the still-growing inequality and lessening opportunities for working people. This cannot be ignored as a reason for Trump's win. Ms. Clinton seems to have no interest in this, nor should she be the leader - it should probably be someone who has a chance to win in the next election. Could the media, including the Times, play a role in this?
Probably a more important factor in Clinton's loss was her slide in approval rating from 74% in 2012 when she was Secretary of State to around 42% in early 2016 as the campaign was really getting underway. The Times and other supposedly "liberal" media should be examining their role in this through amplifying the fake Benghazi and email server "scandals". Will the next election be dominated by this kind of misdirection?
Probably a more important factor in Clinton's loss was her slide in approval rating from 74% in 2012 when she was Secretary of State to around 42% in early 2016 as the campaign was really getting underway. The Times and other supposedly "liberal" media should be examining their role in this through amplifying the fake Benghazi and email server "scandals". Will the next election be dominated by this kind of misdirection?
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maybe the media should just report facts without its own political spin.
She is a special case since Rupert Murdoch smeared her every single day for 20 years in the NY Post and Fox News.
Lies and a lot of really bad photos.
Lies and a lot of really bad photos.
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In my lifetime, Presidential losers go away or move on to other things. Stevenson, Goldwater, Nixon (though he came back 8 years later), McGovern, Ford, Jimmy Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Bush 1, Dole, Gore, Kerry. And by doing so, have allowed their parties to move forward. By hanging on, Clinton acts as a boat anchor on the Democratic Party.
She is a flawed candidate with a questionable track record. Are we better off with Libya in chaos than under Ghaddafi? Should she have used her brief hiatus before running for President to make an eight figure grab for "speech money"? Should the Clinton team have tipped the table so far in her favor to chase other viable Presidential primary candidates away from declaring? And to mention nothing of the e-mail server.
Why am I reminded of the movie Fatal Attraction? Go away! Take Bill and Chelsea with you! Stop holding your party back!!
She is a flawed candidate with a questionable track record. Are we better off with Libya in chaos than under Ghaddafi? Should she have used her brief hiatus before running for President to make an eight figure grab for "speech money"? Should the Clinton team have tipped the table so far in her favor to chase other viable Presidential primary candidates away from declaring? And to mention nothing of the e-mail server.
Why am I reminded of the movie Fatal Attraction? Go away! Take Bill and Chelsea with you! Stop holding your party back!!
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This really is disingenuous. Nobody else wants to experience the sewage shower Hillary got, and there is no reason for any other disfavored person to expect any different treatment from the same sources.
Who are those viable Democratic candidates you mentioned? Joe Biden?
The false equivalency here is sickening and absurd. Hillary is not the president who is wrecking so much damage on our country both here and abroad. Who cares if she's bitter and disgusted. And is it her fault that Trump is using her as his foil? You're supposed to be better than this New York Times.
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A lead pipe should have been able to beat Trump.
The fact is Clinton lost. Her nationwide 3mill lead was smaller than the Dem vs Repub lead in California (4mill). In other words, when all other states were considered, she lost 25% of her CA lead over Trump.
She had around 500 electoral college votes to Trump's thousands, which speaks to the geographic limits of her appeal (see above).
I'm a Dem. I want us to win. we need to rethink, replan, and move on.
The fact is Clinton lost. Her nationwide 3mill lead was smaller than the Dem vs Repub lead in California (4mill). In other words, when all other states were considered, she lost 25% of her CA lead over Trump.
She had around 500 electoral college votes to Trump's thousands, which speaks to the geographic limits of her appeal (see above).
I'm a Dem. I want us to win. we need to rethink, replan, and move on.
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Under the Electoral College voter nullification scam, it is the kiss of death to be considered the shoo-in, because too many voters who know that excess votes for the winner in their state will simply be discarded leave the voting to others.
During the campaign Bernie Sanders described Trump as "a pathological liar."
That about sums up our experience of President Trump so far.
Hillary ran a terrible vanity campaign, more about 'breaking the glass ceiling" than helping the people. That bizarre stage set at the Javits Center tells you everything you need to know about her campaign - she was setting herself up for a grand entrance into history. History had other plans. Its time to stop talking about her.
Focus on Trump. He's going to destroy millions of lives, cause people to die. The NYT must stop covering campaigns like they're dramatic, exciting horse races. They're only that for journalists & politicians. For the rest of us, our lives are at stake. The 2016 campaign coverage was an epic failure for the welfare of the people - the candidates themselves, the abysmal journalism that focused on Hillary's emails & failed to adequately cover Trump's enormous frauds, bankruptcies & other personal & professional failures. The constant sensational coverage of Trump "drama" & Hillary's "email scandal" did the American people little good figuring out who to vote for to protect our future. The fact that Trump won is partly an indictment of the media, which covered Trump in a sensationalistic way that didn't emphasize how dangerous he is, focused on manufactured scandals about Hillary, & basically never seriously covered the best candidate, Bernie Sanders.
Thanks for nothing NYT.
That about sums up our experience of President Trump so far.
Hillary ran a terrible vanity campaign, more about 'breaking the glass ceiling" than helping the people. That bizarre stage set at the Javits Center tells you everything you need to know about her campaign - she was setting herself up for a grand entrance into history. History had other plans. Its time to stop talking about her.
Focus on Trump. He's going to destroy millions of lives, cause people to die. The NYT must stop covering campaigns like they're dramatic, exciting horse races. They're only that for journalists & politicians. For the rest of us, our lives are at stake. The 2016 campaign coverage was an epic failure for the welfare of the people - the candidates themselves, the abysmal journalism that focused on Hillary's emails & failed to adequately cover Trump's enormous frauds, bankruptcies & other personal & professional failures. The constant sensational coverage of Trump "drama" & Hillary's "email scandal" did the American people little good figuring out who to vote for to protect our future. The fact that Trump won is partly an indictment of the media, which covered Trump in a sensationalistic way that didn't emphasize how dangerous he is, focused on manufactured scandals about Hillary, & basically never seriously covered the best candidate, Bernie Sanders.
Thanks for nothing NYT.
What utter nonsense. There is absolutely no, none, zero, zippo equivalency here.
Clinton was completely silent for six months. In that interview with Amanpour, she was poised and reflective.She said nothing about Trump, the person, She kept her remarks on Comey's actions and Russian interference, a very serious and still very current matter that should deeply concern all Americans.
Trump, meanwhile, continues to deride both Clinton and Obama with tweets and nasty quips full of massive fabrications -- all for the cause of keeping his base fired up as he prepares to undo their health care and transfer more wealth form them to himself and his fellow billionaires.
Whoever concocted this piece should be sent back to journalism school for remedial training and, upon return, kept off the editorial pages.
Clinton was completely silent for six months. In that interview with Amanpour, she was poised and reflective.She said nothing about Trump, the person, She kept her remarks on Comey's actions and Russian interference, a very serious and still very current matter that should deeply concern all Americans.
Trump, meanwhile, continues to deride both Clinton and Obama with tweets and nasty quips full of massive fabrications -- all for the cause of keeping his base fired up as he prepares to undo their health care and transfer more wealth form them to himself and his fellow billionaires.
Whoever concocted this piece should be sent back to journalism school for remedial training and, upon return, kept off the editorial pages.
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Re-education camp followed by limits on what they can say as journalists?
Liberals terrify me as much as conservatives today.
I guess I am now a progressive.
Liberals terrify me as much as conservatives today.
I guess I am now a progressive.
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liberals have become scarier than conservatives. and they cloak it by acting as if their position is the high moral ground and any other opinion or thought is evil incarnate.
Donald Trump has power. Hillary Clinton has no power. When Mr. Trump allows a crowd to chant "Lock Her Up," it is not just about locking Hillary Clinton up, but locking up anyone in the democratic party and anyone that disagrees or is uncomfortable with Mr. Trump. It is a threat, a threat to all of us that believe in democracy. Please, allow Hillary Clinton to speak without anymore condemnation. I've had enough, and so have many others that support liberal and democratic societies. Her grievances are not about the past, they are about the future. She is sounding an alarm. And if she were not a women that is also a "loser" we would all be listening instead of telling her to be quiet and let the man speak.
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SB--To be honest, Hilary Clinton doesn't have anything more to add to this debate. Newer voices, wiser voices are leading us out of the dark tunnel. If Democrats are smart, they will learn from their Clinton experience, and head in an entirely different direction, preferably a progressive one. I'd rather see Mrs. Clinton return to her quiet life.
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Summary of this editorial: Neither candidate was perfect and now one of them is president. The little lady should stop pointing out that she lost in the kind of rigged election that the winner warned it was. She should get over it and move on.
My reaction: How many women have been told to get over it and move on? Trump wants nothing more than to change the subject from the Russian connection. Witness what he has done in the last few days and witness where the Times has left the Russian story.
My reaction: How many women have been told to get over it and move on? Trump wants nothing more than to change the subject from the Russian connection. Witness what he has done in the last few days and witness where the Times has left the Russian story.
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This editorial is gratuitously critical of Mrs. Clinton's honest answers to direct questions, and it demonstrates why Trump won the election--false equivalencies. It makes me sick that the one paper I depend upon to publish the truth continues to pick Mrs Clinton apart--kicking the person who fell down.
The snide comment "Her insights were strained by insinuations against the president, whom she still refers to as 'my opponent'" reads like a Fox news sound bite. Does the writer of this piece not get that Trump is a malicious fool, surrounded by pawns who wish to destroy everything that is decent about our democracy?
This editorial reads like the dyspeptic words of a cynical malcontent who wants nothing more than to spread the misery, so that no one who reads it is happy. I believe that this country is on the brink of a catastrophic destruction of our way of life and our institutions and our laws. And this is what the Editorial Board comes up with?
Furthermore, the superior tone of this essay does not offer solutions to the challenge we face to steer this country in the right direction. Why reiterate Mrs. Clinton's errors--she freely admitted making them? Who is the writer who feels entitled to scold Mrs. Clinton? Let's hear more about the Democratic leaders who give us hope that the future holds positive possibilities!
The snide comment "Her insights were strained by insinuations against the president, whom she still refers to as 'my opponent'" reads like a Fox news sound bite. Does the writer of this piece not get that Trump is a malicious fool, surrounded by pawns who wish to destroy everything that is decent about our democracy?
This editorial reads like the dyspeptic words of a cynical malcontent who wants nothing more than to spread the misery, so that no one who reads it is happy. I believe that this country is on the brink of a catastrophic destruction of our way of life and our institutions and our laws. And this is what the Editorial Board comes up with?
Furthermore, the superior tone of this essay does not offer solutions to the challenge we face to steer this country in the right direction. Why reiterate Mrs. Clinton's errors--she freely admitted making them? Who is the writer who feels entitled to scold Mrs. Clinton? Let's hear more about the Democratic leaders who give us hope that the future holds positive possibilities!
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So, according to you, only Democrats, have American values and are fit to govern. A lot of the comments here suggest we should have a dictatorship run by democrats. The only rational Americans are democrats, and they are the only ones that can save the country
Let's be clear about Trump's motives behind the Harrisburg rally; it was cooked up to give Trump a barely believable excuse for not attending the White House Correspondents Dinner. There is no way this slow-witted lump of hair dye would let himself be ridiculed by professionals on a global stage.
Obama, by contrast, not only endured the roast eight times, but gave as good as he got when it was his time to speak, as did most presidents.
Trump's cowardice is truly the defining trait of his misbegotten presidency. I look forward to the Trump/Russia treason investigations, inevitable trials and the ultimate removal of Trump and all his cronies from seats of power. America deserves nothing less.
Obama, by contrast, not only endured the roast eight times, but gave as good as he got when it was his time to speak, as did most presidents.
Trump's cowardice is truly the defining trait of his misbegotten presidency. I look forward to the Trump/Russia treason investigations, inevitable trials and the ultimate removal of Trump and all his cronies from seats of power. America deserves nothing less.
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This article makes a valid point. Hillary is still talking about the FBI director impacting the election. She's not addressing her attitude about her blaze attitude with critical emails. No. She's unable to see the truth. Hillary wanted open borders and more abortion clinics. She hung herself with those credos.
Trump has a huge mess to clean up but thank God we're going in the right direction. Foreign affairs, health care, taxes; all logical corrections to be made in order to erase the impact of anything Obama.
Trump has a huge mess to clean up but thank God we're going in the right direction. Foreign affairs, health care, taxes; all logical corrections to be made in order to erase the impact of anything Obama.
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This piece is the epitome of false equivalency.
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Seen from here, a country that is boiling mad due to its home grown corruption, Brazilians tell me that they are relieved that the USA can no longer lecture them on this subject. Trump's nepotism, his use of tax payers' money to pay for weekends in his own hotel, the show put on by a First Lady who pouts in public behind her husband and refuses to carry out her duties all while spending public moneys .... Brazilians shrug: been there, done that - but of course the US does it all on a bigger and more breath-taking scale on a world stage. Nope, the US as an example of good governance is no more. We are a Big Mac Republic with "Cheese".
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I would think the point here is pretty obvious. Neither character here is especially psychologically complex (though Clinton is at least psychologically healthy.) Trump has no plan to make America survive, yet alone great again, so keeping the rivalry with her, (as well as the constant shadow boxing with a sort of Obama-as-nemesis-that-never-was) distracts from his flailing about. For Clinton, well, she's not dead is she? and in 2020 she will not be as old as Trump or past Presidents are or have been. I think a rerun would be the worst thing imaginable for the nation in 2020, but I don't think either of these characters nor theeir backers would mind it.
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We have one President of the United States named Donald John Trump who won the Electoral College majority right to occupy the Oval Office of our White House and who is behaving as exactly badly as he said he would.
And we have one major political party Presidential popular vote majority loser named Hillary Rodham Clinton who is acting according to her delusional denial dissembling nature.
Hillary is stuck in the powerless unchanging past while Donald controls the present ability to making an unknown future. Time will tell whose lives and lies matter most.
And we have one major political party Presidential popular vote majority loser named Hillary Rodham Clinton who is acting according to her delusional denial dissembling nature.
Hillary is stuck in the powerless unchanging past while Donald controls the present ability to making an unknown future. Time will tell whose lives and lies matter most.
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The French are going to put us to shame as they take the hack of their election seriously, while we have James Comey swanning around like a diva in a bad opera. Hillary has plenty of reasons to be ticked off, and I'm happy to hear about them. Donald Trump is a disaster in every way, and we've just seen the beginning of the damage he will try to do. I have no interest in "healing." The sooner we take the treasonous behavior in this election seriously, the better. And I'm really tired of the holier than thou Bernie bots sputtering their false equivalence. Maybe they'll lose their health insurance for a good wake up call.
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She answered questions the interviewer asked her. It isn't Clinton who can't move past the election, the press doesn't want to listen to her talk about anything else.
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Well said. It is an embarrassment for both GOP and Dems to have nominated two simplistic and childish people. China and other countries know how to please the President - say great things. Mrs Clinton - who didn't really do much for common women - wants to pretend she is. A lot of Clinton supporters think it is a women issue while Trump supporters are all about hating Clinton and President Obama.
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Dave, if you don't think that Hillary Clinton has done anything for "common women" during her 35 years in public office, then you have not been paying attention.
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The editorial board wades back into the conversation about the election with the same breathtaking lack of self-reflection and false equivalence that marked the Times's coverage of the election.
One is a sitting President likely doing immeasurable damage to the norms and institutions of Government, while golfing and tweeting away the time he isn't spending cozying up to strongmen and being roundly defeated in every "negotiation" he undertakes. He continues to lead calls for his political opponents to be jailed, and lies constantly (including leveling unfounded criminal accusations against his predecessor), only to reverse himself to the baying admiration of his salivating supporters. He permits his children, the product of the nepotistic hellscape that is the Trump White House, to enrich themselves and him daily, blatantly thumbing their noses at norms, decorum, and decency.
The other is a defeated presidential candidate who gracefully conceded and largely stayed out of the public eye for months. Any return is confronted with demands for public mea culpa in spectacles reminiscent of the "collaboration horizontale" mobs. Mistakes were clearly made, which she acknowledges--the editorial board conveniently failed to mention that she accepted full responsibility for a troubled campaign that came up short--and also points out the myriad of short-term shocks, magnified in these pages 10x, that likely were the proximate cause of the election result.
Do better, or do nothing.
One is a sitting President likely doing immeasurable damage to the norms and institutions of Government, while golfing and tweeting away the time he isn't spending cozying up to strongmen and being roundly defeated in every "negotiation" he undertakes. He continues to lead calls for his political opponents to be jailed, and lies constantly (including leveling unfounded criminal accusations against his predecessor), only to reverse himself to the baying admiration of his salivating supporters. He permits his children, the product of the nepotistic hellscape that is the Trump White House, to enrich themselves and him daily, blatantly thumbing their noses at norms, decorum, and decency.
The other is a defeated presidential candidate who gracefully conceded and largely stayed out of the public eye for months. Any return is confronted with demands for public mea culpa in spectacles reminiscent of the "collaboration horizontale" mobs. Mistakes were clearly made, which she acknowledges--the editorial board conveniently failed to mention that she accepted full responsibility for a troubled campaign that came up short--and also points out the myriad of short-term shocks, magnified in these pages 10x, that likely were the proximate cause of the election result.
Do better, or do nothing.
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Clinton's comments don't differ significantly from the columns I have read in the Times. Why the criticism?
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That's obvious and easy to answer: "Fair and balanced", which laid against logic, truth and justice, is anything but.
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Wow..This editorial sets a whole new standard for the media's "both sides do it" disease.
Hillary make a few observations about the election that generally fall in line with what most independent analysts have stated and you basically say she's exactly the same as a guy who after being elected president spends four months demonstrating his complete ignorance of policy, spouting the most juvenile and often racist insults ("Pochantas"), and issuing an almost daily stream of easily disproven lies about everything from the silly (inaugural crowd size) to the serious ("over 3 million illegal immigrants voted in the election").
And let's not overlook the many ways he has already used his office to enrich himself and his promote family's business interests.
Apparently your editors are incapable of understanding the difference between a private citizen, who speaks only for herself, and the President of the United States who is supposed to be working for all citizens.
Good God.
Hillary make a few observations about the election that generally fall in line with what most independent analysts have stated and you basically say she's exactly the same as a guy who after being elected president spends four months demonstrating his complete ignorance of policy, spouting the most juvenile and often racist insults ("Pochantas"), and issuing an almost daily stream of easily disproven lies about everything from the silly (inaugural crowd size) to the serious ("over 3 million illegal immigrants voted in the election").
And let's not overlook the many ways he has already used his office to enrich himself and his promote family's business interests.
Apparently your editors are incapable of understanding the difference between a private citizen, who speaks only for herself, and the President of the United States who is supposed to be working for all citizens.
Good God.
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The problem with America is that we have lost any semblance of democracy. The 2016 election has shown that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are in touch with the challenges and problems faced by the vast number of citizens who are languishing in debt, faced with job insecurity, have no pension plans, and a shaky healthcare system riddled with coverage gaps and deductibles that can bankrupt them at any time. Neither Hillary nor Donald not the vast majority of Senators or Congressional Representatives has a clue about what life is like down here in the trenches. And by the way neither does the NYTimes Editorial Board. It's time to clean house and rid ourselves of rich parasites who rob us of our hard earned money while stacking the deck in their favor.
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There's a little too much "both sides do it" in your editorial. Trump has spent the first 100 days of his presidency whining about crowd sizes, 3 million illegal votes, having his phones tapped and his executive orders reversed. Clinton gave an interview. That's right. She went away quietly after the election in November and reemerged the other day. She received about 5 minutes air time.
The New York Times is no longer the paper of record. They've abandoned journalism in order to present both sides as equals. That only works in mathematics.
The New York Times is no longer the paper of record. They've abandoned journalism in order to present both sides as equals. That only works in mathematics.
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Seriously? What would you have had her say? I thought she handled herself very well. How she can even talk about the election is beyond me. I can hardly bear to think about it and I didn't spend all the time for a year or so being dragged through the mud by a deranged candidate and hearing, "lock her up" by nasty people.
Enough with the criticism of Hillary. If we all had worked as hard as she did for the past 30 years to make this country a better place for all people, but particularly for women and children, we'd all be in better shape. Is she a flawed person? Of course she is. She's human.
Enough with the criticism of Hillary. If we all had worked as hard as she did for the past 30 years to make this country a better place for all people, but particularly for women and children, we'd all be in better shape. Is she a flawed person? Of course she is. She's human.
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when Trump stops campaigning and starts to do something positive for the country, maybe Hillary will stop complaining about how the election was stolen from her. Trump breaks all his campaign promises, both good and bad and just toes the Republican line rather than getting them to moderate their hate for poor Americans. He had some good ideas that they will never accept. Single payer health care is a start but a non starter with his party leadership. And he should stop calling people names like a school yard bully.
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This was an historic election in so many ways, including what will become even more glaring as time moves on: that she lost mostly because of her gender; that Comey and Russia played a HUGE and serious role, by breaking an important rule in the first case and the law in the second; and mostly, history will soundly condemn Americans who voted for Trump and those who refrained from voting due to petulant anger that Sanders lost the primary or the canard of a false equivalency that both candidates were just as bad.
This is an election which will have a lot of asterisks and reverberations throughout the rest of American history...and you want HRC to shut up and go quietly into a rocking chair somewhere?
No. she shouldn't. She should be a constant reminder of the enormous mistake we have made here, of how broken our system is (she couldn't survive a non-criminal private email server, but Russia can hack emails and interfere with our election, and there is nothing we can do, and the candidate on whose behalf they did that reaps the reward?).
Never shut up, Hillary. Persist.
This is an election which will have a lot of asterisks and reverberations throughout the rest of American history...and you want HRC to shut up and go quietly into a rocking chair somewhere?
No. she shouldn't. She should be a constant reminder of the enormous mistake we have made here, of how broken our system is (she couldn't survive a non-criminal private email server, but Russia can hack emails and interfere with our election, and there is nothing we can do, and the candidate on whose behalf they did that reaps the reward?).
Never shut up, Hillary. Persist.
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My god, was this one of those parody articles that was published by accident? This is shockingly obtuse. Long after the election, the beaten candidate was called a criminal (by the winning one) and accused of stealing millions of votes (yes, by the winning candidate). For what appears to be the first time in history, a hostile foreign power meddled directly in the election to make sure that Trump, its chosen candidate, would be the winner. Yet somehow, Hillary Clinton is depicted here as bitterly airing grievances? It appears the New York Times will not be satisfied until Clinton issues a statement along the lines of "Nobody, and particularly not THE NEW YORK TIMES, should worry about missing the Russian election interference story, because ALL OF MY ERRORS WERE THE ONLY REASON I LOST."
Disgusting example of "both side-ism." You've lost the plot, New York Times.
Disgusting example of "both side-ism." You've lost the plot, New York Times.
This paper's record on treating Secretary Clinton is abominable and yet it persists. Here's a thought experiment: Why doesn't The Times get over it's obsession with the election and the evident bias it showed while covering it? That same bias had a hand in electing a person who can't stop jabbering about his so-called victory because he's uniquely unqualified to hold the office he should have never been allowed near. Thanks NYT.
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So your thought is, let Trump wear his little twitter fingers out disparaging Hillary while Secretary Clinton tells people to "rally behind the winner"? That must be satire because no sane person would do that. After Trumps constant nasty remarks about her why in the world would she even attempt to unite people behind that buffoon?
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Benedict Donald's campaign tactic is another of his many red-herrings. Benedict is terrified of the end the RUSSIAGATE PROSECUTIONS will bring and so he's running for shelter.
Clinton's problem is the same as she has always had; monstrous ego. Hopefully she is NOT going to run for President again, because the Democrats cannot endure more Clinton!
Clinton's problem is the same as she has always had; monstrous ego. Hopefully she is NOT going to run for President again, because the Democrats cannot endure more Clinton!
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Yes, Trump must continually get his narcissism stroked by basking in his only 'so-called" "bigly win" last November. But, as a fervent Bernie backer, I find your attack on Sec. Clinton who you unrelentingly and uncritically supported on this page, unseemly. Mrs. Clinton was always a seriously flawed candidate with very questionable judgment from her choice for a running mate to her hawkish advocacy of "regime change" to her embrace of the Wall Street establishment to her overt as well as covert attacks that undermined the Sanders campaign. The time to criticize her was last year, not now after the personal and political catastrophe of November 8. It's time for all us, including The Times, to move forward no matter how dark and frightening the Trump era is. The message from Hillary is join "the resistance."
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Who is stuck in time? The Times editorial board.
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It comes down to this: Were Hillary Clinton a man, at the end of her life, she'd have been able to add "US President" to her resume. I am utterly doubtless about that. The things she was scrutinized for would have been yawned at, never mentioned, or even praised had she been born with a Y chromosome. The simple fact that we put into the US Presidency a man who was heard admitting to serial sexual assault of women, a man who defrauded thousands of Americans and had to pay $25 million in settlement for that fraud, a man who mocked a disabled human being,...forget it, the list is too long, rather than a woman who had a never hacked personal email server rather than using the hacked State Dept. Server, or who called bigots deplorable, proves it.
Everyone bashes Hillary and her campaign (seriously? Her campaign was worse than Trump's? What color is the sky in your worlds?) and loves to say things like, "She was a terrible candidate. She should have beaten that lunatic by a long mile." Wrong way to look at it. Were she a man, she would have beaten him, by a lot. But she can't control her gender. The problems are twofold: her gender (not her campaign) and an electorate of which too many have become dangerously ignorant, stupid, racist, sexist, and who have EQs of angry, hormonal teenagers, and in some cases, toddlers. HRC is an adult. They couldn't relate. They could to Trump's meanness, surliness, hate, narcissism.
Everyone bashes Hillary and her campaign (seriously? Her campaign was worse than Trump's? What color is the sky in your worlds?) and loves to say things like, "She was a terrible candidate. She should have beaten that lunatic by a long mile." Wrong way to look at it. Were she a man, she would have beaten him, by a lot. But she can't control her gender. The problems are twofold: her gender (not her campaign) and an electorate of which too many have become dangerously ignorant, stupid, racist, sexist, and who have EQs of angry, hormonal teenagers, and in some cases, toddlers. HRC is an adult. They couldn't relate. They could to Trump's meanness, surliness, hate, narcissism.
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What's the point, you ask? The point is to resist complacency and to resist giving in to Donald Trump's self serving, undeserved presidency. Now is the time to increase the pressure regarding Trump's tax returns, his pre election dealings with Russia and his personal business ties to China. Tweeting is not an impeachable offense but colluding with the Russians to influence the outcome of the election of an American President is. Who cares if Trump is blathering away in his tweets? Let's get that dude impeached.
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More false equivalences that brought us this nightmare to begin with... really will the time EVER come when NYT can stop trashing Clinton and holding her "equally" responsible? This newspaper is mightily responsible for creating the Trump monster and is fiddling the same nauseating tune as the nation and the world goes down the drain.
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Typical of the media to bring up a subject and then to label the person attempting to answer their question as being obsessed with the subject. It's been said that Trump won his battle with the media, and for that I can't help feeling a wee bit happy. Not to worry, DJT being the prez is still something that, as FBI man Comey said, makes me nauseous. The media drums up the subject of the past election because it's been good for business - virtually all newspaper sales and TV viewer-ships have gone up.
Since read Mrs. Clinton has become a person of greater substance that's what I want.
It is QUITE CLEAR DJT does NOT know HOW to govern and can only campaign. He said it himself "I didn't know how hard this job was!". REALLY? REALLY? Which again proves DJT never really wanted to WIN the office - he just wanted to keep his stupid brand in the public eye. DJT is a sickening human being not FOR the people, only for HIMSELF. Shame on him and those who voted for him. He's a worldwide laughing stock and doesn't even realize it since he's so vacuumed in his ugly bubble. 1354 days and counting ...
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The comment about Hillary not admitting she was a 'vulnerable' candidate through her own actions -- valid. All other criticism of her in this piece is a tad condescending. Donald is a self-constructed low-life and it's important to keep forcing him to show his hand. If Donald keeps Tweetstorming among his vile little core, so much the better. When doctors bow out and profiteers strike the consumer, how many credit managers are going to say "blame it on Hillary"?
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Can we let this go? Hillary's strategy was completely off, as far back as Secretary of State, a private server and no one would come after you? And, ignoring key States with critical electoral college votes. All of this is on her.
What is most disturbing, is how blue class workers, en mass believed this New York carpet beggar. These people are grasping for anything to give them hope. Clinton missed this entirely.
The game is done, we must move on. Bill and Hillary can gracefully go into the sunset. We need a new, and young Democrat, who can understand the Nation's fear and address it.
What is most disturbing, is how blue class workers, en mass believed this New York carpet beggar. These people are grasping for anything to give them hope. Clinton missed this entirely.
The game is done, we must move on. Bill and Hillary can gracefully go into the sunset. We need a new, and young Democrat, who can understand the Nation's fear and address it.
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Plenty of ball games would have a different outcome if they ended in the eight inning. Hillary struck out at the bottom of the ninth. It's time for her to deal with it.
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Yeah, but from all accounts, this particular game was fixed. By the Russians.
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Should we all sing “Let It Go?” This isn’t a Disney animation; it is the real world. Yes, Mr. Trump is the President; that doesn’t make him presidential (à la Mr. Bruni’s column today…). Your comments seemingly argue for normalizing all of the flaws so blatantly evident in this administration. And, further, suggesting Hillary should shut up and soldier on. Mr. Trump is a minority president and must be reminded of that status every day; by Hillary, by the NYT, by me, by every thinking citizen who gives a tinker’ D about the path we are descending, lest the wagon pick up even more speed.
Seriously? What complete nonsense!
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Strange times indeed.
Living in the USA has become a disturbing ping pong match, and I'm getting very tired of it.
Trump is unquestionably the biggest offender as he does not act presidential and he's massively degraded the bully pulpit.
Living in the USA has become a disturbing ping pong match, and I'm getting very tired of it.
Trump is unquestionably the biggest offender as he does not act presidential and he's massively degraded the bully pulpit.
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Bill Clinton, by moving the Democratic Party to the the right, signing Nafta w/o sufficient resources to retrain & provide new jobs for all American workers adversely affected, making welfare harsher for the poor but not for big business & not just fix it to making it harder for either to abuse, repealing Glass-Steagall despite being easy to see it would lead to abuses it was meant to prevent which caused the great recession, having sex with an intern, disgracing his office, & poisoning Gore's chances to succeed him, etc.;
and Hillary, blind to the optics of raking in big bucks from the Clinton foundation & secret speeches to Wall St. bankers, by erasing 1000's of emails, unwilling to address character flaws responsible for low favorables, running such a lousy campaign, etc., all of which made it possible for a neanderthal to beat her, install neo-cons on the supreme court, as cabinet & regulatory agency heads, and do everything to quickly erase Obama's legacy of eight years in office;
both, had they been Republicans could have hardly done more to hurt all those the Democratic Party once stood for, or help the GOP advance their greedy right wing agenda and undermine our democracy.
Should Bill & Hillary wish to help make up for the above (and reap better press in history books) I suggest neither run for public office again, and instead of earmarking all that foundation money for third-world countries, devote it and themselves to working on it here as private citizens.
and Hillary, blind to the optics of raking in big bucks from the Clinton foundation & secret speeches to Wall St. bankers, by erasing 1000's of emails, unwilling to address character flaws responsible for low favorables, running such a lousy campaign, etc., all of which made it possible for a neanderthal to beat her, install neo-cons on the supreme court, as cabinet & regulatory agency heads, and do everything to quickly erase Obama's legacy of eight years in office;
both, had they been Republicans could have hardly done more to hurt all those the Democratic Party once stood for, or help the GOP advance their greedy right wing agenda and undermine our democracy.
Should Bill & Hillary wish to help make up for the above (and reap better press in history books) I suggest neither run for public office again, and instead of earmarking all that foundation money for third-world countries, devote it and themselves to working on it here as private citizens.
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It's very sad that this is what's become of our Democracy. Instead of informed adults working toward creating a better society, we have two narcissists engaging in the level of dialogue one could expect at a Fifth Grade cafeteria table. Put downs and verbal sparring...Six Months after the most pathetic, embarrassing election of my lifetime. We were presented with horrible choices on November 8th...then made the worst possible choice as a nation. Need proof? Take a look at the "health care" bill that just passed in the House then ask yourself, "Whose interests does this represent?" Not the American people, that's for certain. Politics...and especially Presidential politics has become a juvenile propaganda game. The spoils of the contest are self aggrandizement and endless talk of a "legacy". Meanwhile the people of this country suffer until something better comes along. Let's hope it happens soon.
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I am really tired of reading about how Hillary won't take responsibility for blowing the election. She ran a great campaign. Have we forgotten the night-and-day difference between the two conventions? The RNC Convention was dark and dystopic. The DNC Convention was positive, energetic, happy, and uplifting. HRC remained calm and dignified in the debates, unlike her "Nasty woman" sniffing, interrupting, lying, petty childish opponent. As usual, I can't find any real explanations for the contempt so many hold for Hillary Clinton. Calling bigots "deplorable" and a private email server. Better that she had defrauded thousands of Americans. She didn't go to some states at the last minute? So what? Are we a nation of babies who need to be massaged 24/7 and can't open a newspaper, a Web site, turn the TV on, get ourselves informed? We pick a president now over whether he or she made it to our state? Should she really have run a campaign, instead, where she assured us her genitalia was working fine, she mocked disabled people, attacked a gold star couple, admitted to serial felonious sexual assault, lied on average ever three minutes, was completely unqualified, mentally unfit, spoke like a demented child, expressed a fondness for Putin and other strongmen? Trump ran the good campaign here? AS usual, the woman has to be ten times better just to lose. Maybe the problem is just that half the electorate is too stupid, ignorant, sexist, and racist for its own good.
"Lock her up" repeated continuously and in a threatening manner, augmented by veiled threats at an NRA rally, all attended by "hugly" crowds.
Perhaps Secretary Clinton could take out an order of protection that would keep Trump away from us all.
Perhaps Secretary Clinton could take out an order of protection that would keep Trump away from us all.
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The writer tries to "be fair", criticizing both sides, when there the big problems are: (a) Trump; (b) Republicans -- Trump is the Republican candidate; (c) the media who treated Trump as a possible candidate; (d) Comey and the Russions; (e) the electorate -- which was simply ... well ... others can say it. Somewhere after all these is Hillary's not perfect campaign, although she is still clearly far and away the best candidate of either party in the last election. Yes, I wish Joe and Elizabeth had been contenders .. but the Republicans put up exceptionally weak candidates. We lost a chance for continued competence against a backdrop of Republican abdication of responsibility.
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Editorial Board, listen... you can't equate Trump and Hillary like this. Trump's behavior in office is so egregious, so blatantly corrupt, and so incompetent, that people need to speak out about it. Hillary a plethora of delectable morsels to pick at because of his inane, "all about me" behavior. And it isn't just his malfeasance from the day he took office. There is a major investigation going on about Trump's campaign itself, colluding with America's major adversary. How can she not pick away at that, too?
Trump has had enough time to demonstrate how good of a President he would be, and he has abjectly failed at it. The county, and indeed, the world, is in grave danger with him in the Oval Office. We all need people like Hillary to voice her opinions about him, to keep his lurid fecklessness in the spotlight. He has done nothing to deserve anything else. The fact is that he is openly campaigning for the 2020 election. Everything possible needs to be done to prevent him from succeeding in that.
For Hillary, I say "Go for it". Keep up the pressure. Isolate Trump as much as possible. Our survival depends on him disappearing.
Trump has had enough time to demonstrate how good of a President he would be, and he has abjectly failed at it. The county, and indeed, the world, is in grave danger with him in the Oval Office. We all need people like Hillary to voice her opinions about him, to keep his lurid fecklessness in the spotlight. He has done nothing to deserve anything else. The fact is that he is openly campaigning for the 2020 election. Everything possible needs to be done to prevent him from succeeding in that.
For Hillary, I say "Go for it". Keep up the pressure. Isolate Trump as much as possible. Our survival depends on him disappearing.
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At long last, New York Times, have you no sense of decency? Abandon your bizarre fetish with false equivalence, (and with criticizing Hillary Clinton) and let's get down to brass tacks about the only person who is tearing our country limb from limb! There is only one person who is flouting every single part of the Constitution, be it written (Emoluments clause) or not (showing tax returns); who threatens to start World War III with our allies, (Australia; Mexico;) while getting up to who knows what with our enemies; who can't keep a consistent position or thought in his head from one end of the day to the other ("You have a better health plan than we do ...and I should know, having just thrown a beer bash for the people who are making ours even worse"); who even wonders why we had the Civil War. Why waste a single sentence on Hillary Clinton, who deserves a dignified retirement? Leave her alone, at long last, and get to work.
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On her day of reckoning, Hillary Clinton will say what the lead character in the film "The Patriot" Benjamin Martin (based on the real person Francis Marion) tells his General after the loss of his children in the war of American independence;
"I have long feared that my sins would return to visit me and the cost is more than I can bear."
She lost the presidency. She should do what Trump's Bannon told the NY Times; "just shut up."
Can we say: False equivalence?
To equate HRC's comments with the fraud-trump is like comparing a mud puddle to a cesspool.
Heal the nation? Tell that to the repugs.
To equate HRC's comments with the fraud-trump is like comparing a mud puddle to a cesspool.
Heal the nation? Tell that to the repugs.
Many commenters have adopted the position contrary to the Times: she failed as a candidate and owes nothing to the body politic. Yet she apparently still harbors political aspirations. As long as the old Democratic leadership stubbornly cling to power, the future (2018) looks hopeless. People who don't like her see major character flaws. They see her service marred by terrible decisions that belied her pubic image. (Remember her cozying up publicly to Strom Thurmond? Voting for the Second Iraq War? To win a few votes for President someday?) People who support Hillary seem more motivated by her simply being a woman than by her apparent job success. So Voters spoke. The majority voted for her as "Not Republican". Most didn't like her- even women! They didn't believe "I'm With Her". Yes. We could use more female candidates, just not her. How about new blood? Hillary should lend her support to them and step aside.
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I don't know how this writer could find a way to lump these two people together and deliver a vicious attack on Ms. Clinton who has proudly served our so-called country her whole adult life. She has every right to look back at an election that was STOLEN from the Democrats with assistance from Russians and Comey. Does this writer think we are stupid out here and we like that idiot for our President? Think again.
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We the people have been and still are being duped into believing that the
Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign was about US...and the USA.
No both the Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign was and still is about
Hillary Clinton's ambitions for herself and Donald Trump's ambition for just
him...this is so obvious.......and Bernie Sanders and the Libertarian Party really
was and is about US and the USA......so New York Times....just when will
you write about the obvious ...TRUTH !!!!......Bernie a Social Democrat and
Gary Johnson & Bill Weld ...actual Republicans and fiscal conservatiives.
WE THE PEOPLE ARE >>>JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO BE SERIOUS about
the two most salient political arguments ...which lay at the feet of your
journalists attempt to be more sophisticated and cast away your mantels of
TABLOID NEWS...begone.......re start...TOM FRIEDMAN....have a worthwhile
debate.....bring in the academics....and get cracking ...enough about your
book !!!
Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign was about US...and the USA.
No both the Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign was and still is about
Hillary Clinton's ambitions for herself and Donald Trump's ambition for just
him...this is so obvious.......and Bernie Sanders and the Libertarian Party really
was and is about US and the USA......so New York Times....just when will
you write about the obvious ...TRUTH !!!!......Bernie a Social Democrat and
Gary Johnson & Bill Weld ...actual Republicans and fiscal conservatiives.
WE THE PEOPLE ARE >>>JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO BE SERIOUS about
the two most salient political arguments ...which lay at the feet of your
journalists attempt to be more sophisticated and cast away your mantels of
TABLOID NEWS...begone.......re start...TOM FRIEDMAN....have a worthwhile
debate.....bring in the academics....and get cracking ...enough about your
book !!!
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Exactly, who cares? The train to Trump's destiny with disaster has already left the station. Clinton for some reason thinks she's blameless in her loss-- a proposition that is equally as ridiculous as Trump's incessantly inane statements. Clinton needs to put her ego aside, and accept the fact that she did not have Sanders on the ticket, and the reason for that is obvious, Clinton belongs to the DNC's corporate minions, not the working class' Democrats. Sure Russia had their thumb on the scale, and sure, the FBI's Director Comby had his entire weight---and his car on the scale too; however, the fact Clinton would attack Trump on transparency for not releasing his taxes while simultaneously refusing to release her transcripts of her speeches to Wall Street says everything about her arrogance and ignorance.
Get over it Hillary, and step aside, please. If Hillary truly loves America then she would essentially outline why she failed and how the Democrats can address the needs of all Americans, not solely the needs of corporate America.
Get over it Hillary, and step aside, please. If Hillary truly loves America then she would essentially outline why she failed and how the Democrats can address the needs of all Americans, not solely the needs of corporate America.
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Just as they did during the campaign, the editorial board seeks to employ false equivalencies. Mrs. Clinton said clearly, "We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.” She then kept her mouth pretty well shut for these many months. The President, on the other hand, has despoiled (and soiled) the office beyond what any of us could have imagined.
Hillary Clinton was savaged non-stop by the Republicans for years, setting her up so that Trump and Putin could finish the job. This was more than the "rough and tumble" of politics.
Anyone (or any group, in this case) that maintains a desire to somehow keep the scales balanced between Hillary Clinton and the vile creature that sits in the Oval Office deserves very little respect.
Hillary Clinton was savaged non-stop by the Republicans for years, setting her up so that Trump and Putin could finish the job. This was more than the "rough and tumble" of politics.
Anyone (or any group, in this case) that maintains a desire to somehow keep the scales balanced between Hillary Clinton and the vile creature that sits in the Oval Office deserves very little respect.
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After 18 more months of enabling this travesty, the US judiciary will be infested with some of the most awful judges to sit anywhere since Torquemada was Grand Inquisitor of Span.
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This is baloney. It falsely equates Donald Trump, a bombastic, destructive, corrupt, clearly vengeful simpleton, with Hillary Clinton, a woman who has served honorably in the government for years and who speaks in full sentences and who in fact won the election.
So now you want Hillary to make nice? To patch things up? Is that what polite ladies are supposed to do?
The country is divided in part because the Republican campaign was fueled by partisan hatreds, empty promises, baseless attacks, and deception.
Now Donald Trump has appointed radical conservatives to lead the federal agencies that protect citizens' health, rights, education, and environment. Many of these new administrators have established a history of deriding and attacking the very agencies they've been recruited to lead. His first hundred days in office are choked in the smoke from his many false. gassy promises (where's that health care plan again? oh gosh it's complicated), all of which have gone up in flames.
These lies, these actions, have already affected and will affect the lives of many, many Americans.
And you want Hillary to be sweet and reunite the nation and ignore what's happening to our government and our country?
Let her take Trump to the mats and pin him. He's heavy, but out of shape. Bernie takes Ryan. Obama can wallop McConnell. You guys, with coaching from Elizabeth Warren, and Rachel Maddow, can handle Pence.
So now you want Hillary to make nice? To patch things up? Is that what polite ladies are supposed to do?
The country is divided in part because the Republican campaign was fueled by partisan hatreds, empty promises, baseless attacks, and deception.
Now Donald Trump has appointed radical conservatives to lead the federal agencies that protect citizens' health, rights, education, and environment. Many of these new administrators have established a history of deriding and attacking the very agencies they've been recruited to lead. His first hundred days in office are choked in the smoke from his many false. gassy promises (where's that health care plan again? oh gosh it's complicated), all of which have gone up in flames.
These lies, these actions, have already affected and will affect the lives of many, many Americans.
And you want Hillary to be sweet and reunite the nation and ignore what's happening to our government and our country?
Let her take Trump to the mats and pin him. He's heavy, but out of shape. Bernie takes Ryan. Obama can wallop McConnell. You guys, with coaching from Elizabeth Warren, and Rachel Maddow, can handle Pence.
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So, anytime this life long public servant and policy wonk has something to say it is equivalent to the massive ego stroking Donald Trump seeks at every opportunity. By looking to "balance" opinion, the media was used to enable the most unqualified and dangerous president ever elected in this country. It is sad to see The New York Times still going down the path of false equivalency.
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DJT is an illegimate fraud, place in power by the Russian Federation and Comey despite a massive win in the popular vote. Don't lose your bearings. America was hacked and this is not normal.
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"You lost."
"So, you're a bigger loser."
"No I'm not, I have the keys to the plane! You're the loser!"
"Wait, I smell something burning.."
"No you don't, loser." (lights firecracker)
"Im telling Mom and Dad!"
alas, there isn't any mom and dad to tell....
"So, you're a bigger loser."
"No I'm not, I have the keys to the plane! You're the loser!"
"Wait, I smell something burning.."
"No you don't, loser." (lights firecracker)
"Im telling Mom and Dad!"
alas, there isn't any mom and dad to tell....
If she or the FBI or the media have evidence of collusion between the Russians and Mr. Trump (as he then was), publish. If not, shut up. Schiff has admitted they got nothing.
As for Mrs. Clinton, can't she go away and do an American Express commercial or something?
As for Mrs. Clinton, can't she go away and do an American Express commercial or something?
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Quit writing about it.
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so true "Nothing in recent history can match the sorry spectacle of a sitting president so desperate for adoration and so indifferent to actual governing that the only satisfaction he can get is from perpetuating the campaign."
Right on! Trump is an ignorant buffoon with no substance whatsoever and things are only going to get worse and he becomes more desperate to cover his ignorance
Right on! Trump is an ignorant buffoon with no substance whatsoever and things are only going to get worse and he becomes more desperate to cover his ignorance
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NYTimes - aren't you paying attention?
Trump talks about his BIGLY win almost every day.
Clinton spoke once at a speech.
These are not the same. False equivalence.
Please try to up your game and write about things that are real and important.
Trump talks about his BIGLY win almost every day.
Clinton spoke once at a speech.
These are not the same. False equivalence.
Please try to up your game and write about things that are real and important.
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Ms clinton should stick to being a grandmother and stay out of the public sphere she was a terrible candidate and she ran a terrible campaign and the democratic party completely miss judged the the mood of the country (does "it's the economy stupid") ring a bell......
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They should both move on. Trump should stop trying to rape the country and start providing a plan for more "better" jobs and infrastructure. Clinton should realize that she had her chance - if she wants to talk about possible policies that can help people in this country, great, but I do not want her to refight the campaign or think that she should be a candidate ever again.
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I noticed that the NYT has selected as its Picks any of the comments that slam it for false equivalency. Huh.
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I meant "has not selected"
A leader, ie, The President, needs to lead. Nothing he has done or said indicates a willingness to do that. In fact, just the opposite, including participation in recent chants of "lock her up". not to mention the appointment of Neil Gorsuch and the insane, hateful AHCA passed by the House. Perhaps the only way the Republican Party could step up to the bring-theountry-together challenge is to impeach Trump.
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This is an odd editorial. We hear a few peeps from Hillary, and it's considered divisive. Compare that to the MOAP (mother of all presidents). Trump is annihilating our nation with his daily tweets and incoherent utterances.
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I do wish she'd just say that the election is over, rehashing it is not going to change anything, and it's time for us all to move on. There are plenty of issues she can get involved in...like health care, for example. Or take a page from Jimmy Carter's book and focus on the her foundation's good works.
But considering that Trump is compelled to focus on his winning the election at every opportunity, it's not strange that she's being asked these questions. So perhaps the media needs to move on, too. On the 6-month anniversary of the election, let's all agree on a moratorium on dwelling on Hillary's loss, and focus on the hugely important issues of Trump's presidency, which are going to do this country incredible damage if not curtailed.
But considering that Trump is compelled to focus on his winning the election at every opportunity, it's not strange that she's being asked these questions. So perhaps the media needs to move on, too. On the 6-month anniversary of the election, let's all agree on a moratorium on dwelling on Hillary's loss, and focus on the hugely important issues of Trump's presidency, which are going to do this country incredible damage if not curtailed.
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But isn't 'the resistance' more important and politically profitable than actually coming up with alternative policies that appeal to a majority of voters?
Healing the country would mean that Democrats and Clinton supporters would have to admit that the other half actually had a point and that there are very real issues and challenges that drove reasonable people to vote for Trump. And right now that is demonstrably untenable.
Healing the country would mean that Democrats and Clinton supporters would have to admit that the other half actually had a point and that there are very real issues and challenges that drove reasonable people to vote for Trump. And right now that is demonstrably untenable.
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"drove reasonable people to vote for Trump..."
Please. Any reasonable person who heard just a few days of Trump's vile rhetoric would not have voted for him.
Please. Any reasonable person who heard just a few days of Trump's vile rhetoric would not have voted for him.
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you presume people vote on policy matters. it's not clear that people understand how government works, who is responsible, how policy affects their daily lives or to whom to appeal for grievances. what is clear is that an ignorant loudmouth can fool half the people all the time.
I just want Ms. Clinton and all of her allies in the Democratic Party leadership to retire from politics.
They have brought the Democratic Party to the brink of irrelevance and helped to hand the country over to right wing extremists over decades by their unwillingness and inability to lead a loyal opposition to the Republican agenda, represent the best interests of the 99%, and articulate and fight for a compelling vision for the country that voters could believe in because they brought about tangible results.
Clinton and the Democratic Party have refused to acknowledge that the political realities have changed. They refuse to listen to their ever dwindling base while continuing to cling to the belief that they can just tweak the numbers to win the next election without a fundamental shift in priorities in the direction of actually standing for something besides their own self-interest. Their lack of vision and disinterest in changing to meet the needs and address the concerns of today's electorate is killing the party and pushing voters to demagogues like Trump or marginal candidates like Stein.
We need a vital and relevant Democratic Party to stop the extremist right wing now controling the Republican Party from sending our country into a tailspin from which it may never recover. The best thing that Clinton and her allies can do to make that happen is to retire and make way for a new generation of Democrats to lead the way.
They have brought the Democratic Party to the brink of irrelevance and helped to hand the country over to right wing extremists over decades by their unwillingness and inability to lead a loyal opposition to the Republican agenda, represent the best interests of the 99%, and articulate and fight for a compelling vision for the country that voters could believe in because they brought about tangible results.
Clinton and the Democratic Party have refused to acknowledge that the political realities have changed. They refuse to listen to their ever dwindling base while continuing to cling to the belief that they can just tweak the numbers to win the next election without a fundamental shift in priorities in the direction of actually standing for something besides their own self-interest. Their lack of vision and disinterest in changing to meet the needs and address the concerns of today's electorate is killing the party and pushing voters to demagogues like Trump or marginal candidates like Stein.
We need a vital and relevant Democratic Party to stop the extremist right wing now controling the Republican Party from sending our country into a tailspin from which it may never recover. The best thing that Clinton and her allies can do to make that happen is to retire and make way for a new generation of Democrats to lead the way.
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The dissatisfaction on the part of the candidates and the nation is inevitable when the majority did not win. Electoral college, counties, and land mass area of red states do not negate the fact the 3 million more people voted for the candidate that is not in office. Our nation is built on the very simple "majority rules" idea. It is very challenging to govern when the majority is told their votes do not matter because they live in higher population areas.
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The fundamental reason Clinton lost was her failure to articulate a positive, concrete rationale for her campaign that voters could latch on to. And if the Democrats don't elevate their message beyond their fixation with Trump toward innovative, 21st century solutions to the country's many serious problems, they will continue to lose, too. For starters, I suggest a platform based on dynamic partnerships between Washington and state and local governments in which Washington really listens, rather than dictates.
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To be successful as President one must have a balance of poise, integrity, and a grasp of the issues. Trump lacks that as he did before the election. The capability to govern is just not there. Why would anyone expect any difference.
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In this case, the bigger of the two people should be setting the standard. Mrs. Clinton needs to take the high road.
David Axelrod recently said: "It takes a lot of work to lose to Donald Trump. He was the least popular presidential candidate to win in the history of polling." Mrs. Clinton is now a divisive figure on the left. She should have beat Trump. It should not have been close. She only prolongs the pain every time she sends the message she does not take responsibility for this core fact.
She’s a good person. She should move on, and help the rest of us do so as well.
David Axelrod recently said: "It takes a lot of work to lose to Donald Trump. He was the least popular presidential candidate to win in the history of polling." Mrs. Clinton is now a divisive figure on the left. She should have beat Trump. It should not have been close. She only prolongs the pain every time she sends the message she does not take responsibility for this core fact.
She’s a good person. She should move on, and help the rest of us do so as well.
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Why must Hillary wear sackcloth and ashes. She is entitled to present her views on the election. You may want a better version, but that is another issue. trump, as president, should put the election behind him. He should be embracing the whole country and actually work at being president now. Not campaigning for next time. He should be working at overcoming Russian interference, not supporting it by omission.
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Keep in mind that Clinton's comments are answers to questions people are asking. Trump's declarations are prompted only from within himself.
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Rather than looking for Hillary Clinton to help "heal" the country, I'm looking for younger Democrats to step forward and take the lead in combating everything that Trump says and does. Neither she nor Bernie Sanders should be the standard-bearer of the anti-Trump movement, but I have yet to see that next person step forward.
4
Mrs. Clinton needs to stay in the background if Democrats are to have a chance to retake the House of Representatives or the Senate. She reminds too many people of why they did not vote for her.
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When 50 thousand psychological professionals are willing to sign a petition asserting that Donald Trump is unfit for the office of President of the US it is not in fact time for us to move on, as you say. It is time for all of us to do our duty as citizens and demand his impeachment. Why is he even still in office?
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The editorial is unfair. Its premise is that both candidates should just "get over it and move on." However, the candidates in that election were miles apart in their readiness for public office, in their preparedness to be president of the United States. Trump still has no clue what he is doing nor why. Clinton, as Obama once said, was the most qualified person in this country to fill the office of presidency. I watched her interview with Amanpour and was amazed again at how much she knows and how much she cares about real issues for real people in this country and abroad, issues she has talked about time after time in the years of her journey thus far. Of course she is still bitter! But she has staked out some positive ground for her future. She spoke at "Women for Women" of her enthusiasm to help women overcome hurdles she herself has had to face. That was the very environment for such reflections. I think that, in the effort to be unflinchingly fair, the NYT editorial staff has overreached here. Clinton is setting a course for herself to help others in spite of the election season. Has she forgotten the insults? No. But she is not locked up. And- she is planning a mission to help others overcome those things which helped to bring her down.
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We are 'struck' because society is being ripped to shreds (I'm not exaggerating--the monumental mess of the healthcare system, environmental regulations and this pending tax reform which will accelerate the bifurcation of society in ways we can't imagine) by someone who 'won' by 77,000--a football stadium can hold that many people--when we know those individuals were part of pockets being targeted with lies coming from sophisticated Russian hackers. And, on top of it, the top law enforcement officer in the nation intervened, against stand policy, when he failed to do just that for the other candidate--giving the hackers more fuel. I remember the collapse in the polls when that happened. So...no don't tell me we need to move on. This isn't finished yet.
This editorial could be the poster child for False Equivalency. Whether or not you agree with Hillary Clinton's continued carping about James Comey or her public criticism of the commander-in-chief, any unseemliness in this regard pales in comparison to Donald Trump's inability to focus on his job. Not to mention his vulnerability to flattery by foreign allies and adversaries alike. Thus, the editorial should have focused on Trump's disgraceful lack of dignity, while mentioning that Clinton too needs to move on. Given what is happening to our country, it is hard to criticize Clinton for expressing the outrage that so many of us feel.
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The DNC chose the candidate least likely to beat Trump. I know people who voted for Trump who would have voted for Bernie had he been the candidate - they just did not like or trust Hillary. The enthusiasm in the Democratic party is on the progressive side. Clinton is a corporate moderate..so is Cory Booker. The DNC is still in the way of a progressives - notice the DNC pushing through Tom Perez, who when asked about universal, single payer health care gave a mealy mouthed word salad as a response to the question. Progressives will win and if the DNC can't get behind them, then there will need to be another party.
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This was a very upsetting and consequential election that is taking a long time to emotionally recover from. Hearing from the loser of this election is a good thing for her supporters who have not really had a chance to hear her since that fateful day.
I seriously doubt she will continue to focus on that. In other words, give her a break, for once. You didn't during the election and yet again you are giving Trump a pass on this because the bar for him is so low. Just because you criticize Trump NOW, you don't need to criticize her. Maybe the Times editorial board should move on.
I seriously doubt she will continue to focus on that. In other words, give her a break, for once. You didn't during the election and yet again you are giving Trump a pass on this because the bar for him is so low. Just because you criticize Trump NOW, you don't need to criticize her. Maybe the Times editorial board should move on.
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I've concluded the NY Times will continue to try and keep the public focus on the Trump Clinton bash-up, as part of their long in-place agenda of managing the peoples' perception.
The alternative is to discuss the real problems in these no longer united, United States of America, the rampant government / corporate engineered inequality which kicks most Americans in the teeth, every moment of their hopeless lives.
That discussion is anathema to the goal of our masters, instead they keep the reality show atmosphere alive, creating outrage after outrage, all so the people will never ever see how quickly and how deeply they are being reduced to economic slavery.
Corporate America is in full control of government, become brazen and abusive as they continue their drive to beggar the people and garner the nations wealth for themselves.
I foresee great civil strife ahead for America, and for the world; the masses are connected now, sharing experiences instantly, exposing corruption and the corrupt, organizing quickly, and beginning to undermine the elite agenda
"The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls, and tenement halls, and whispered in the sound of silence"
The masters of mankind would do well, to listen, and hear.
The alternative is to discuss the real problems in these no longer united, United States of America, the rampant government / corporate engineered inequality which kicks most Americans in the teeth, every moment of their hopeless lives.
That discussion is anathema to the goal of our masters, instead they keep the reality show atmosphere alive, creating outrage after outrage, all so the people will never ever see how quickly and how deeply they are being reduced to economic slavery.
Corporate America is in full control of government, become brazen and abusive as they continue their drive to beggar the people and garner the nations wealth for themselves.
I foresee great civil strife ahead for America, and for the world; the masses are connected now, sharing experiences instantly, exposing corruption and the corrupt, organizing quickly, and beginning to undermine the elite agenda
"The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls, and tenement halls, and whispered in the sound of silence"
The masters of mankind would do well, to listen, and hear.
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It seems hypocritical for the NY Times to criticize Ms. Clinton when, since the election, this newspaper feels like not the NY Times, but the NY (anti-)Trump. You seem singularly committed to attacking, questioning, and undermining Mr. Trump. Of course that's your right, and there's a good number of things to attack -- I'm not a fan of Mr. Trump's -- but sometimes you make front page news out of speculations, when I'd rather have news. I recognize your responsibility as journalists and I understand your claim that Ms. Clinton, as a former candidate, has a responsibility to heal; but is your responsibility -- to provide a set of facts by which the reader can judge current events, without mixing those facts with too much speculation (or even letting the latter drive them), any less than hers?
A good dose of self-awareness on the part of the Times is in order here; it might keep you from calling the kettle black.
A good dose of self-awareness on the part of the Times is in order here; it might keep you from calling the kettle black.
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Clinton's recent behavior is sad but is it unexpected?
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If Ms. Clinton wants to help her party, she, Bill, and Chelsea need to stay in the shadows. A huge component of Trump's success was the intense dislike of the Clintons. Ms. Clinton is a talented aparachnik. Her experience, lended behind the scenes, would be beneficial. But staying in forefront only feeds Trump's narrative.
For the sake of the country, the Clintons need to just go away. They had their opportunities.
For the sake of the country, the Clintons need to just go away. They had their opportunities.
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Once again we see the same false equivalencies from the campaign being made between the two candidates which in large part have landed us in our current mess. I would have thought you had learned a lesson from that; I guess not.
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Donald Trump is a republican politician and by definition is incapable of governing.
Hillary Clinton is a democratic politician and by definition is incapable of seeing beyond her party's identity politics.
Neither is an outlier of their party's political identity.
Both are committed to their personal self aggrandizement as expressed in their financial, political power ambitions.
Neither are willing to self critically examine their roles in their respective party's inability to connect with the core of the American people or to lead the governance of our nation.
Both epitomize the insulated life bubble communities that characterize the political elites.
A pox on both their houses.
Hillary Clinton is a democratic politician and by definition is incapable of seeing beyond her party's identity politics.
Neither is an outlier of their party's political identity.
Both are committed to their personal self aggrandizement as expressed in their financial, political power ambitions.
Neither are willing to self critically examine their roles in their respective party's inability to connect with the core of the American people or to lead the governance of our nation.
Both epitomize the insulated life bubble communities that characterize the political elites.
A pox on both their houses.
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NYT, a liberal newspaper, has done the Democrats a great service by pointing out how Mrs Clinton seems to be living in a bubble. All those walks in the woods with the dog were spent not introspecting honestly but plotting revenge. Is there no one in her inner circle who can point out some home truths to her?
She was identified with the 1%. Her Wall Street speaking fees marked her as secretive. She cared more about LGBTQ rights than the plight of workers men and women, working for minimum wage. She was out of touch with the worries of the working class.
By doubling down on her misreading of the electoral mood, she is lending support to the wing of the Democratic party that wants to continue down the same path.
I really don't care how stupidly Mr. Trump behaves, I worry whether Democrats will be able to resist the blandishments of the Democratic 1% and chart a course that looks out for the 99%.
She was identified with the 1%. Her Wall Street speaking fees marked her as secretive. She cared more about LGBTQ rights than the plight of workers men and women, working for minimum wage. She was out of touch with the worries of the working class.
By doubling down on her misreading of the electoral mood, she is lending support to the wing of the Democratic party that wants to continue down the same path.
I really don't care how stupidly Mr. Trump behaves, I worry whether Democrats will be able to resist the blandishments of the Democratic 1% and chart a course that looks out for the 99%.
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I suggest that the Times does a disservice to Hillary comparing her very legitimate observations, with President Trumps wild Tweets and accusations. There is no comparison.
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Why did you all write this perturbing, reductive piece that falsely puts HRC's response to a journalist's question in a public forum, a brief response within the context of a much larger conversation, why compare it to the really awful behavior of the President who really is responsible to all of us and for all of us? The basic Constitutional contract between our President and our people is that he represents ALL of us, not just rich white people, something this President can neither intellectually nor emotionally comprehend. To equate the two? What were you thinking?
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To the NYTimes Editorial Board,
Get off your high horse. It was the media's obsession with false equivalencies that led to the disastrous results of the last election. You, at the Times, along with other main stream media outlets, were more concerned with promoting the "circus atmosphere" of the campaign than focusing on the substantive issues that we still face today. Circulation and subscriptions went up...but at what cost to the nation? As a subscriber I want you to focus on the Russian collusion issue and the increasing accumulation of wealth afforded the Trump family through nepotism. Do your job as the Fourth Estate. You have have a lot to make up for in my opinion.
Get off your high horse. It was the media's obsession with false equivalencies that led to the disastrous results of the last election. You, at the Times, along with other main stream media outlets, were more concerned with promoting the "circus atmosphere" of the campaign than focusing on the substantive issues that we still face today. Circulation and subscriptions went up...but at what cost to the nation? As a subscriber I want you to focus on the Russian collusion issue and the increasing accumulation of wealth afforded the Trump family through nepotism. Do your job as the Fourth Estate. You have have a lot to make up for in my opinion.
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This editorial, as well as many other opinion pieces I have read, bring up Clinton's "unforced errors" and mistakes made during her campaign. They suggest that this was a greater reason for her loss than Russia's hacking, the Wikileaks release of those hacks, Comey's statement and subsequent October letter, mysogyny, the amount and type of free press coverage given to her opponent, and other factors. Maybe. Maybe not. We will never be sure.
But what makes me question whether her mistakes were the actual determining factor is the mistakes made by her opponent, now our president. Time and time again, he made egregious "unforced errors" that were talked about as sure to tank his campaign. Shall I list them? Calling Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists, disparaging Senator McCain, accepting a purple heart from a veteran saying he always wanted one of them (but without actually earning one), spouting blatant lies every day, showing his ignorance about basic things such as the nuclear triad, hiring questionable people for his campaign, demonizing everyone who did not support him, calling his opponents school-yard names, etc.
So, yes, Clinton made many mistakes during her campaign, which is true of every candidate who has ever run. But Trump made his own mistakes, more numerous and serious than hers. So, if losing is based on mistakes, how is it that he became president?
But what makes me question whether her mistakes were the actual determining factor is the mistakes made by her opponent, now our president. Time and time again, he made egregious "unforced errors" that were talked about as sure to tank his campaign. Shall I list them? Calling Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists, disparaging Senator McCain, accepting a purple heart from a veteran saying he always wanted one of them (but without actually earning one), spouting blatant lies every day, showing his ignorance about basic things such as the nuclear triad, hiring questionable people for his campaign, demonizing everyone who did not support him, calling his opponents school-yard names, etc.
So, yes, Clinton made many mistakes during her campaign, which is true of every candidate who has ever run. But Trump made his own mistakes, more numerous and serious than hers. So, if losing is based on mistakes, how is it that he became president?
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NYT, in your attempt to be "even handed" you suggest that both 2016 candidates for president are guilty of keeping the country divided. Nonsense. Hillary Clinton has made few comments on the now over race, and when questioned, not volunteered. Donald Trump, however, cannot let a day go by without touting his puny, technical win, and appeals only to those who voted for him, discarding the rest of us. Trump has yet to travel to localities that did not vote for him because he knows that there is no adoration to be found, only energized opposition to his miserable policies.
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I am shocked to read the New York Times editorial Board's criticism of Hillary Clinton for her continued opposition to Donald Trump.
Mrs. Clinton has reminded the nation that her loss was due to unsubstantiated remarks made just before the vote by F.B.I. Director James Comey. He should be fired and indicted, yet he has kept his job.
She has also noted that although she won the election by more than three million votes, the Electoral College put the obvious loser in the White House. The New York Times should investigate the Electoral College.
Mrs. Clinton has reminded the nation that her loss was due to unsubstantiated remarks made just before the vote by F.B.I. Director James Comey. He should be fired and indicted, yet he has kept his job.
She has also noted that although she won the election by more than three million votes, the Electoral College put the obvious loser in the White House. The New York Times should investigate the Electoral College.
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I agree completely about Trump's many flaws, but I am focusing my comment on Hillary Clinton's behavior.
If she was as brilliant as the die-hard Clintonites claim, Hillary would realize that history will judge her relevance by what she chooses to do with her life AFTER two failed bids for the presidency.
If she looks to the future, lets go of her bitterness and resentment, and realizes her own shortcomings, Hillary could go on to construct a meaningful new chapter in her public life. If she were able to do this, I believe history would view her in a more positive way.
She's obviously tormented that her ambition of becoming President was derailed (yet again), this time by a buffoonish reality TV star who everyone viewed as a joke.
But Hillary Clinton is just as self-absorbed and self-pitying as ever. In the end, it's hard to feel sorry for her.
I couldn't vote for Clinton because I didn't trust her to put the country above her own ambition and self-interests. Anyone incapable of change or self-reflection cannot be an effective President.
Those who doesn't learn from their mistakes are condemned to repeat them.
Hillary, the ball is in your court...
If she was as brilliant as the die-hard Clintonites claim, Hillary would realize that history will judge her relevance by what she chooses to do with her life AFTER two failed bids for the presidency.
If she looks to the future, lets go of her bitterness and resentment, and realizes her own shortcomings, Hillary could go on to construct a meaningful new chapter in her public life. If she were able to do this, I believe history would view her in a more positive way.
She's obviously tormented that her ambition of becoming President was derailed (yet again), this time by a buffoonish reality TV star who everyone viewed as a joke.
But Hillary Clinton is just as self-absorbed and self-pitying as ever. In the end, it's hard to feel sorry for her.
I couldn't vote for Clinton because I didn't trust her to put the country above her own ambition and self-interests. Anyone incapable of change or self-reflection cannot be an effective President.
Those who doesn't learn from their mistakes are condemned to repeat them.
Hillary, the ball is in your court...
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It is unrealistic to expect trump to outgrow his juvenile behavior (which has served him, i.e. his bank account, well over the course of 50 years) in 4 or 8 years of facing real responsibility, let alone in 4 months. That certainly does not mean we need to give him a pass; we must confront him constantly, criticizing his immaturity. Take away his Teleprompter and trump immediately reverts to tantrums. trump will be "leading" in his own inimitable, unchangeable way on his last day in office (whenever that may be) as he has since his first.
As for Hillary, she is not in the White House because she did not "deserve" to be there. Oh, she was (and is) qualified. There is no argument from me on that point. She came up short for several reasons, some good, some bad, some ridiculous. One of the "good" reasons she lost, in my estimation, was her obvious sense of entitlement. No one, regardless of experience and preparedness is "entitled" to lead the United States. Another "good" reason was her failure to maintain the high road, wading into trump's muck with nose-high condescension. That doesn't play well, regardless or whether you are in Peoria or Philadelphia. It may have in Pasadena, but California could do only so much where the electoral college was concerned.
trump isn't growing up; Hillary is bearing a grudge. (Mad Magazine once had a hilarious cartoon with the caption "Bearing a Grudge." A poor soul with a monster on his back.)
We brought it on ourselves, folks.
As for Hillary, she is not in the White House because she did not "deserve" to be there. Oh, she was (and is) qualified. There is no argument from me on that point. She came up short for several reasons, some good, some bad, some ridiculous. One of the "good" reasons she lost, in my estimation, was her obvious sense of entitlement. No one, regardless of experience and preparedness is "entitled" to lead the United States. Another "good" reason was her failure to maintain the high road, wading into trump's muck with nose-high condescension. That doesn't play well, regardless or whether you are in Peoria or Philadelphia. It may have in Pasadena, but California could do only so much where the electoral college was concerned.
trump isn't growing up; Hillary is bearing a grudge. (Mad Magazine once had a hilarious cartoon with the caption "Bearing a Grudge." A poor soul with a monster on his back.)
We brought it on ourselves, folks.
What an interesting op-ed from the New York Times Editorial Board. While on they argue for the nation to come together, on the other they and the NYT in general write against Trump everyday. How does that bring the country together? This is not fake news, but rather fake opinion. Thank you.
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I'm not sure if Trump and Clinton are a reflection of their electorate or vice versa but they are emblematic of the partisanship that we all blame the other side for and desperately want to go away. By the way did anyone actually think the praise they cast on each other in the early part of this editorial was genuine? If yes, I've a bridge I can sell you.
As I have said before, if the government could figure out a way to tax Arrogance and Hypocrisy, the budget would be balanced in five minutes. After this editorial, I feel sorry for BOTH Trump and Hillary, neither of whom I voted for. The Times has led "The Resistance" to anything Trump, blasting his every attempt at liftoff of his policies. And "even-handedness?" The editors' definition of that appears to be a few laughs at Ms. Clinton campaign missteps, although for the life of me, I can't remember such advice DURING the campaign. This editorial appears to be the first step toward Revisionism...of The Times' past articles!
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This is false equivalence and a sign of intellectual laziness on the part of the Times. Hillary Clinton is free to spend her time any way she chooses and we are free to ignore her if she wants to live in the past. However, the 2016 election issues are not resolved. In a year or so we will be entering yet another election campaign. The gerrymander will deliver a large house majority to the Republicans. The press will present comforting
images of the "world's best" government system undergoing gentle cycles from left to right and back again. In fact, the US electoral system is increasingly corrupt and broken. Citizens United, voter suppression and the gerrymander combined are such severe wounds that the patient will not recover on his own.
The 2016 election truly was stolen, in more ways than one. Russia continues to work diligently to influence elections (right now in France), with no sign that the US or any other country has *any* countermeasures. Of course, Trump has no interest in stopping his benefactors in Russia even as they make covert war on the US.
The Muscovian Candidate was actually elected. The real question is what next? The US system of "checks and balances" has no mechanism to deal with a corrupt president if a corrupt congress chooses to look the other way. If the press doesn't step up then US democracy will continue its slide into banana republic status. The noise level is high -- lets not have the Times adding to it.
images of the "world's best" government system undergoing gentle cycles from left to right and back again. In fact, the US electoral system is increasingly corrupt and broken. Citizens United, voter suppression and the gerrymander combined are such severe wounds that the patient will not recover on his own.
The 2016 election truly was stolen, in more ways than one. Russia continues to work diligently to influence elections (right now in France), with no sign that the US or any other country has *any* countermeasures. Of course, Trump has no interest in stopping his benefactors in Russia even as they make covert war on the US.
The Muscovian Candidate was actually elected. The real question is what next? The US system of "checks and balances" has no mechanism to deal with a corrupt president if a corrupt congress chooses to look the other way. If the press doesn't step up then US democracy will continue its slide into banana republic status. The noise level is high -- lets not have the Times adding to it.
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Perhaps the editors should consider the beam in their own paper's eye first. Blow and Krugman probably couldn't get out two words at this point without one being "Trump" and the second being some variant on "deplorable." I hate Trump as much as the next reader, but really, who's more stuck in the election than the Times itself?
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They're stuck in time and so are we because we are still determining if Mr. Trump is our legitimately elected president. Investigations are being held, Grand Juries are convening, and at the end of this process, we may well find that Donald Trump won by election fraud, in collusion with Russia. Impeachment would likely follow, but the quesyton will arise of the possibility of nullifying the election.
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Mrs. Clinton would have been a fine President had a few more Democrats succeeded along with her. Russia wouldn’t be messing around with us like it currently is. Neither would Syria or Iran. Even Kim Jong-Un would be watching his step.
She’d be trying to work with Republicans. Efforts to repair Obamacare and the infrastructure would be brightening the future prospects of people without jobs and secure access to health care. There would be no Congressional investigations going on. Those would have been left to the FBI and the CIA. Merrick Garland would be serving on the Supreme Court. Nobody in his right mind would be talking about an idiot wall.
But for Trump and his supporters who would still be tweeting like mad about Benghazi and emails, we would now be living in a period of relative peace and quiet in our valley.
Peace and quiet. Think of it.
She’d be trying to work with Republicans. Efforts to repair Obamacare and the infrastructure would be brightening the future prospects of people without jobs and secure access to health care. There would be no Congressional investigations going on. Those would have been left to the FBI and the CIA. Merrick Garland would be serving on the Supreme Court. Nobody in his right mind would be talking about an idiot wall.
But for Trump and his supporters who would still be tweeting like mad about Benghazi and emails, we would now be living in a period of relative peace and quiet in our valley.
Peace and quiet. Think of it.
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Trumps need to deny his popular vote loss by 3 million votes; his need to characterize a squeaker of an electoral college victor as one of the "All time great {wins}; and his need to reproduce the adulation of his campaign rallies all shows how insecure the man is.
He is dangerously insecure and untethered to reality. He has an amazing ability to bend the truth in order to avoid unpleasant realities.
A man with such a tenuous grasp on reality has no business being in charge of our nation. There is no telling what he will do to double down on his mistakes that he is incapable of accepting.
He is dangerously insecure and untethered to reality. He has an amazing ability to bend the truth in order to avoid unpleasant realities.
A man with such a tenuous grasp on reality has no business being in charge of our nation. There is no telling what he will do to double down on his mistakes that he is incapable of accepting.
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This is a pretty bad article. It tries to present both sides as being equally bad just like during the election. Hillary Clinton is not president and therefore she can say and do anything within the law. She broke no laws. This all started with Donald Trump mentioning her time and again on twitter and in speeches. It started with him and you should call him out. He is the president. Hillary Clinton did not do anything wrong. On a side note more people voted for her on election day yet the loser still wins. So Hillary's purpose is to question Donald Trump because he clearly does not know what he is doing.
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She doesn't get it. It was apparent then, and it is apparent now.
Argyris described her situation exquisitely in "Teaching Smart People How to Learn".
Trump may be a lousy learner, but far less dangerous than a POTUS who will not.
Argyris described her situation exquisitely in "Teaching Smart People How to Learn".
Trump may be a lousy learner, but far less dangerous than a POTUS who will not.
Once again the New York Times ignores Clinton's multiple statements, including more than one apology, that she takes full responsibility for her loss. She is a feisty woman with a point of view. This is evidently a serious character flaw in the opinion of the New York Times. Keep speaking out Hillary! I for one am enjoying Hillary Unbound from the constraints of the campaign and relentless negative judgment of the media.
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My only complaint is that Hillary doesn't air more of her grievances. This paper failed to properly categorize the Trump-Russia scandal (read anything by Lichtblau) and over-emphasized the email nothing-burger. This whole article feels like the NYT is still sweeping their mistakes under the rug.
Marginalizing Hillary as just another disgruntled, failed candidate normalizes Trump. He has transformed the highest office in the land into something uniquely disturbing and dysfunctional. Minimizing her outrage minimizes my own, while it legitimizes a con, crank and likely traitor.
Marginalizing Hillary as just another disgruntled, failed candidate normalizes Trump. He has transformed the highest office in the land into something uniquely disturbing and dysfunctional. Minimizing her outrage minimizes my own, while it legitimizes a con, crank and likely traitor.
OMG, enough with the false equivalency!!! Trump has been spewing his vulgar venom since election day, still leading rallies and encouraging chants of 'lock her up'. Hillary speaks carefully and thoughtfully after months of remaining quiet and on the sidelines and they are both stuck in time ? Give me a break. Seriously, what are you talking about equating their reactions to the most bitter election in history. Hillary has been all class, Trump has been crass.
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We have a mentally ill, illegitimate president. We have an ex-candidate who 'won' but 'lost' because she didn't, for some reason, bother to go to the Rust Belt states and talk to those voters and the Electoral College and because of Comey, yada yada yada. We have an ex-President who should be the leader of the Democratic Party but is not and is cashing in big time. So there really aren't any leaders of the Democratic Party.
If I hear one more time about Trump's great mythical Electoral College win I will get sick. I guess it's a good thing that I cut out cable( my 'package' up to $166, do you believe that?) so, hopefully, I'll never see it again. What a boor! But now we're back to his mental illness. Sigh.
America. Round and round in suffering we go. Will the suffering ever stop? Actually, so much is really kicking in strong for all of those Trump voters who are on Medicaid. Lots of suffering gonna happen there.
Ok. I'll stop.
If I hear one more time about Trump's great mythical Electoral College win I will get sick. I guess it's a good thing that I cut out cable( my 'package' up to $166, do you believe that?) so, hopefully, I'll never see it again. What a boor! But now we're back to his mental illness. Sigh.
America. Round and round in suffering we go. Will the suffering ever stop? Actually, so much is really kicking in strong for all of those Trump voters who are on Medicaid. Lots of suffering gonna happen there.
Ok. I'll stop.
This editorial is a miserable example of false equivalence.
Really? You're equating the two? Ironically, the Times can't seem to get beyond its attention seeking utterly false equivalencies. Enough already. Trump is a vicious, incompetent danger to our well-being, here and abroad. Please focus on him, his cabinet and Congress' damaging actions and not this waste of time kind of pronouncement.
The majority of Americans think the election was illegitimate because of proven foreign sabotage. We are a free people with a democratic heritage.
Or do live with Putin's choice?
The Russian attack was successful but they are not stopping us from having a new election. Who among us will prevent it? Let them identify themselves. Even if a new election is blocked by the Republicans, the Democrats must stand up for it, in defense of our democracy.
Such a grotesque swindle
The sabotage well timed
No game plan to annul the coup
Mere impeachment will not do!
(We know just what the R's would do-
Shut it down,lock him up)
O, Dems! Your spines please find!
Or do live with Putin's choice?
The Russian attack was successful but they are not stopping us from having a new election. Who among us will prevent it? Let them identify themselves. Even if a new election is blocked by the Republicans, the Democrats must stand up for it, in defense of our democracy.
Such a grotesque swindle
The sabotage well timed
No game plan to annul the coup
Mere impeachment will not do!
(We know just what the R's would do-
Shut it down,lock him up)
O, Dems! Your spines please find!
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well after reading ms. Dowd and then this i decided to comment here. daily the boss opens his mouth and spews some garbage. i think of it as the Trump Trash. it happens each day. he cannot help himself. pay no attention to this noise. all he is saying is do not pay attention to the russian connections with my staff PLEASE. a fair amount of folks fall for it.
do not worry the investigation is in the works.
now for the democratic candidate to spout this tripe this week truly ticked me off. the headline alone was so ugh that i did not read for hours. he is a boob. has been one and will not change. she truly has the smarts to not do this. keep your opinions at the dining table with friends an family. i voted for you please do not remind me why i detested that vote. only once did i ever cast a vote for the elephants and that guy resigned in disgrace. dang hillary go away please. let someone else lead PLEASE.
do not worry the investigation is in the works.
now for the democratic candidate to spout this tripe this week truly ticked me off. the headline alone was so ugh that i did not read for hours. he is a boob. has been one and will not change. she truly has the smarts to not do this. keep your opinions at the dining table with friends an family. i voted for you please do not remind me why i detested that vote. only once did i ever cast a vote for the elephants and that guy resigned in disgrace. dang hillary go away please. let someone else lead PLEASE.
Off the mark, editors.
You want Clinton to play nce with a wretch of a president
who got far fewer votes than she did.
It's not Clinton's responsibility to bring the country together
in the face of a president who continues to lie about her
and everything else.
Clinton deserves to be a strong voice however she chooses
in this dire Trump situation.
You want Clinton to play nce with a wretch of a president
who got far fewer votes than she did.
It's not Clinton's responsibility to bring the country together
in the face of a president who continues to lie about her
and everything else.
Clinton deserves to be a strong voice however she chooses
in this dire Trump situation.
There seems to be a creep toward "fair and balanced" coverage on this page that portends a dilution of actual thought. Beware.
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Our current "so called president" is in the White House illegally.
A total fraud and an embarrassment to all.
A total fraud and an embarrassment to all.
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Hillary Clinton has been a target of Republican scorn and slander for decades. Much of the effort to brand her as dishonest began at The New York Times with William Safire and continued with Maureen Dowd, for whom Safire was a mentor.
When she ran for president in 2008, Mrs. Clinton was a lightning rod for people who hate uppity women. She also had scars from her treatment by the media. Any candidate is less attractive when he or she tries to combine ambition with caution.
Mrs. Clinton discovered a political truth in 2008. Although we are told that experience has great value, a person with a skimpy resume in government has an advantage running for office. Barack Obama could talk about dreams for change without having a record which needed defending.
In 2016, Secretary Clinton faced a similar problem. With absolutely no experience in government and amazing ignorance, Donald Trump only had to defend his business record. All voters think they know a thing or two about good governing, but most voters admit knowing nothing about the intricacies of big business.
Trump fudged the truth and got away with it. Clinton told the truth, but it wasn’t enough.
Beyond the Russians, the treachery of James Comey, the clumsiness of her husband's help, the ongoing misogyny and having an over-confident campaign staff, Clinton lost because she did not excite enough people to defeat a beatable opponent.
She has the right to speak of these things now, whatever The New York Times may think.
When she ran for president in 2008, Mrs. Clinton was a lightning rod for people who hate uppity women. She also had scars from her treatment by the media. Any candidate is less attractive when he or she tries to combine ambition with caution.
Mrs. Clinton discovered a political truth in 2008. Although we are told that experience has great value, a person with a skimpy resume in government has an advantage running for office. Barack Obama could talk about dreams for change without having a record which needed defending.
In 2016, Secretary Clinton faced a similar problem. With absolutely no experience in government and amazing ignorance, Donald Trump only had to defend his business record. All voters think they know a thing or two about good governing, but most voters admit knowing nothing about the intricacies of big business.
Trump fudged the truth and got away with it. Clinton told the truth, but it wasn’t enough.
Beyond the Russians, the treachery of James Comey, the clumsiness of her husband's help, the ongoing misogyny and having an over-confident campaign staff, Clinton lost because she did not excite enough people to defeat a beatable opponent.
She has the right to speak of these things now, whatever The New York Times may think.
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This editorial from the same newspaper that obsessively crucified Hillary Clinton over unverified, "leaked" emails.
Guess we can now make it official that the New York Times, like Donald Trump, has chosen to be Vladimir Putin's "puppet."
Guess we can now make it official that the New York Times, like Donald Trump, has chosen to be Vladimir Putin's "puppet."
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NY Times editorial board fails once again to grasp the gravity of the Trump/Neo-Nazi takeover rolling through this government and Europe. Hilary Clinton at least had the courage to speak her mind. The Times waffles and whines and wants the rest of us to make nice with the new overlords. Enough of civility and deal making. The time to take off the blinders has come. The NY Times board should join the struggle before Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump succeed in quashing even the well-behaved free press.
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The Amanpour interview was a reminder of why it didn't take Comey, the Russians, misogynists or Sanders for people dislike her.
If the Dems keep on making these excuses for the 2016 loss there will be a lot more loses ahead.
Hillary is a lost cause. She "took responsibility" and then blamed it on Wikileaks and Comey.
The Dems should be over Clinton by now and looking to the future, not forever rehashing the past and dredging up Hillary. And remembering civics class 101: it's the Electoral College, Stupid!
But I'm glad to see that the Editorial Board is over their torrid love affair with Queen Hillary.
Better too late than never, I guess.
If the Dems keep on making these excuses for the 2016 loss there will be a lot more loses ahead.
Hillary is a lost cause. She "took responsibility" and then blamed it on Wikileaks and Comey.
The Dems should be over Clinton by now and looking to the future, not forever rehashing the past and dredging up Hillary. And remembering civics class 101: it's the Electoral College, Stupid!
But I'm glad to see that the Editorial Board is over their torrid love affair with Queen Hillary.
Better too late than never, I guess.
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I must give it to Trump, he was a tireless and effective campaigner. He felt comfortable because he had his lines down solidly and he was able to rouse the crowds with the roars of adulation he so desperately needs to fan his Huge ego.
After January 20th, despite the press corps and cameras at the White House, he does not get that daily praise for being the master political entertainer that he needs. He has to learn new lines every day, none as effective as before. He is learning to substitute 'Fake News' for 'Lock her up' but they don't cheer for him in the Blue Room. So what is a bloated narcissist to do? Return repeatedly to the campaign trail for his 'fix'. He can return to his well known lines and smirks and stir up the masses into frothy mixtures of anger and adulation.
What can be said of Hillary? I am sure she does not want to return to the campaign and she does not at this time seem to have the ability to look objectively at her failures. I am sure she was devastated. Will more time allow her to see more clearly?
Since the main stream media and Congress seem to have either 'forgotten' or deemed it 'unimportant', mentioning the investigation of Russian interference into the 2016 election and possible collusion by Trump supporters by Hillary is okay by me. Clinton's loss is not the issue. America needs to definitively define what was done by Russia, did anyone help them in the Trump campaign and what our government is going to do in the future to stop cyber warfare.
After January 20th, despite the press corps and cameras at the White House, he does not get that daily praise for being the master political entertainer that he needs. He has to learn new lines every day, none as effective as before. He is learning to substitute 'Fake News' for 'Lock her up' but they don't cheer for him in the Blue Room. So what is a bloated narcissist to do? Return repeatedly to the campaign trail for his 'fix'. He can return to his well known lines and smirks and stir up the masses into frothy mixtures of anger and adulation.
What can be said of Hillary? I am sure she does not want to return to the campaign and she does not at this time seem to have the ability to look objectively at her failures. I am sure she was devastated. Will more time allow her to see more clearly?
Since the main stream media and Congress seem to have either 'forgotten' or deemed it 'unimportant', mentioning the investigation of Russian interference into the 2016 election and possible collusion by Trump supporters by Hillary is okay by me. Clinton's loss is not the issue. America needs to definitively define what was done by Russia, did anyone help them in the Trump campaign and what our government is going to do in the future to stop cyber warfare.
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Ho Hum. Will this never end? I think everything is terrible. The only plans afoot seem to be how to make the middle and lower classes suffer. But no one is talking about Gary Palast's claim that there was chicanery at the polls -- even though we know there was in many instances. No one is wondering why Jill Stein couldn't get her recounts and how that would have turned out. We are just playing tit for tat. Republicans aren't going to support abolishing the Electoral College. And God only knows what the Democrats will come up with next. Correction: Maybe even God doesn't know.
I want to Hillary to focus on midwifing the future Democratic Party. That is, nurturing young people who want to be the leaders of progressive democracy. Not just one person and definitely NOT Chelsea.
Some people are moaning that there's no one available at the national level. I disagree. Al Franken. Kristin Gillibrand. The Castro brothers.
Hillary, look forward. Use your experience. Use everything EXCEPT how to run a campaign because that's your Achille's heel.
Some people are moaning that there's no one available at the national level. I disagree. Al Franken. Kristin Gillibrand. The Castro brothers.
Hillary, look forward. Use your experience. Use everything EXCEPT how to run a campaign because that's your Achille's heel.
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And to think a billion dollars was spent on this election. I hope this isn't an attempt to keep the fires burning for a sequel. While Hillary clearly was the more experienced and more intelligent candidate, she should work behind the scenes to help mentor and elect the next generation of Democratic candidates. She certainly has the skills to do that. And Trump should. ....go back to TV. Now.
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I feel something has changed at the NYT. The paper seems to have been bending over backwards to provide trump "fair" coverage. The problem is it does not work. trump is president and he pathologically goes over and over and over this election and in doing so vilifies Hillary Clinton. He plans and attends rallys to do so. trump is unfit to govern and he has not effectively governed.
Hillary Clinton was answering the questions of a reporter. I would have the very questions she does regarding Comey and the Russians. What do you expect her to say as a response to these questions?
You are comparing apples and oranges and it does not work.
Go back to what you do well. Report the news, provide intelligent editorials and op eds. Don't let trump bully you into "fair" coverage. The only thing he thinks is fair coverage is Fox so the NYT is on a fools errand.
Hillary Clinton was answering the questions of a reporter. I would have the very questions she does regarding Comey and the Russians. What do you expect her to say as a response to these questions?
You are comparing apples and oranges and it does not work.
Go back to what you do well. Report the news, provide intelligent editorials and op eds. Don't let trump bully you into "fair" coverage. The only thing he thinks is fair coverage is Fox so the NYT is on a fools errand.
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Are you actually KIDDING me??? This a a master class on false equivalence. Clinton has been reticent, much more than I would like, but that's HER choice. As for the Presidential Apprentice, please provide one example, in his ENTIRE life, in which he has done anything not directly benefiting himself, or the " Family Business ". Go ahead, I'll wait............
Bluster, bragging and belittling others. That's all he's got. PEROID.
Bluster, bragging and belittling others. That's all he's got. PEROID.
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Oh stop it. She deserves to be bitter. What, are you guys perfect?
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A really dumb column , making a false equivalency of Clinton and Trump. I want everyone to stand up and push back against Trump who has worked hard from day one to divide and shake this country to its core. Maybe you can hire more right wing climate deniers to add to your recent collection of dreadful columns.
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"Mr. Comey’s actions, as well as Russia’s, merit continued scrutiny." What an understatement. Your paper is filled daily with news about the criminality of trump, his family. He is working hard with the GOP to destroy our social contract but you focus on Secretary Clinton who has been a force for incredible good since she started in politics. If you want to say "on one hand x and the other hand y", feel free but in criminality and venality, nothing in our history (or the history of most Western countries) compares to the evil that is trump.
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Yesterday on CNN sport's segment a woman who run 40 Marathons in 40 days was interviewed.She did it to draw attention to the fact that 13 yrs from now only 60% of H2O humans need will b available.A few days ago VOA reported that in Liberia 12 people died mysteriously from what is not Ebola or Yellow fever or other known disease.The Challenge to humans partly due to some Entity's blunder and partly to factors we haven't mastered yet keep cropping up.it is not arrogance or power that will equip us to tackle them it is our knowledge and experience based preparedness.inexperience shouldn't viewed as a virtue.Pres DT lately has come to realize that embracing some of the past Admin's approaches in FA and other areas is for the best.In Today's Frances' election the 2 r relatively new comers and the very seasoned Pres Francoise Hollande is handing over power.Even if they r not in high public office pres FH and HRC types r great assets in making this chaotic world orderly and safe enough.There will b times when Pres DT's team,Marie Le Pen ( God forbid she got elected ) have to consult to these 2 serious elder states persons types.The World's situation is too fragile to be left to new comers who r only focused on the narrow interests of their base and insist on being oblivion to the broadest picture the world is in.Whether in caging in NK or other tasks being the closest to power shouldn't b the only asset that matters.TMD,Indy Math researcher.
As long as you have a psychopathic narcissist as president, that's what you're going to get, someone who keeps touting false illusions about himself, because that's what sick people like him do. To pretend that he is a normal person who is going to act in normal ways (and I mean normal in the most liberal sense) is ridiculous. This is what the American voters wanted, and this is what they get. A celebrity who will keep seeking the limelight because it's all he knows, false adulation. Forget policy, forget keeping promises. It's a joke and we're living it daily.
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If she's going imagine having the election in October, the month previous to the actual election, why stop there?
“If the election had been on January 27, I’d be your president..."
or... "If Obama hadn't run eight years ago, I'd be your president..."
or... "If Huma hadn't copied my emails to her husband who was under investigation for child pornography because she's too lazy to do her own printing, I'd be your president..."
The permutations are endless.
“If the election had been on January 27, I’d be your president..."
or... "If Obama hadn't run eight years ago, I'd be your president..."
or... "If Huma hadn't copied my emails to her husband who was under investigation for child pornography because she's too lazy to do her own printing, I'd be your president..."
The permutations are endless.
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You have some nerve. Will there ever be a mea culpa for the coverage of the campaign? And you continue the pattern here. Clinton did contextualize her statements and surely the conversation was more wide ranging. But if the newspaper of record doesn't get some self-awareness or a conscience, the whole country is sunk. This is disgusting.
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Mrs. Clinton needs to apply herself to a new cause -- say UNESCO, or leading a small liberal arts college.
Mr. Trump needs to be impeached and removed from office.
The nation needs to move on from this national nightmare and disgrace, having brutally learned some valuable lessons about how to -- and how NOT to -- preserve our fragile democratic republic.
Mr. Trump needs to be impeached and removed from office.
The nation needs to move on from this national nightmare and disgrace, having brutally learned some valuable lessons about how to -- and how NOT to -- preserve our fragile democratic republic.
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Bunch of baloney, Editorial Board. There will be no moving ahead until the FBI delivers the fatal blow to the Trump administration, and the criminals therein are prosecuted. Trump will relive the campaign ad infinitum until he is removed from office. He is fixated on it because he knows what is coming. Mrs. Clinton is handling herself admirably.
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What short memories you have. Your free advertising for Trump covering his every verbal eruption, along with that of your rivals,elected this "President". Now you have the temerity to offer MORE false equivalence. You should hang your heads in shame, rather than offer up this poor excuse for an editorial.
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I'm as liberal a Democrat as they come and I'd like to suggest two words to HRC. Shut up. I'm sick to death of hearing about your emails. Get out of the way. We need new people with fresh ideas and not decades of heavy baggage and horrible pantsuits.
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How can this editorial be the takeaway from Clinton’s interview with Christiane Amanpour? Surely, nobody at this point, particularly the NYT, should want to return to the idiocy of our shameful national presidential election of 2016. It was an excruciating year that dumbed down our national political discourse to the level of professional wrestling and reality TV – with its preposterous trash talk, garish displays of alpha- male chest beating, and imbecilic politics that left our federal government in a state of perpetual reductio ad absurdum.
These two candidates are not even in the same universe with respect to qualifications, experience, and judgment. Hillary Clinton is a highly respected and accomplished world leader. Donald Trump clearly lacks any qualifications for the position of President of the United States. Most Americans and many world leaders worry that Trump lacks the intellectual heft to perform the job and that his actual education could not have extended beyond the 8th grade.
How can the fact that a hostile foreign government swayed this election through espionage, that the Trump Campaign may have colluded with that foreign power, and that the Executive Branch is apparently engaged in a cover-up of this criminality - become yesterday’s news?
This editorial suggests that the prospect of yet another loutish bout of mud wrestling between Donald Trump and the infinitely more qualified, Hillary Clinton, is all the news that’s fit to print.
These two candidates are not even in the same universe with respect to qualifications, experience, and judgment. Hillary Clinton is a highly respected and accomplished world leader. Donald Trump clearly lacks any qualifications for the position of President of the United States. Most Americans and many world leaders worry that Trump lacks the intellectual heft to perform the job and that his actual education could not have extended beyond the 8th grade.
How can the fact that a hostile foreign government swayed this election through espionage, that the Trump Campaign may have colluded with that foreign power, and that the Executive Branch is apparently engaged in a cover-up of this criminality - become yesterday’s news?
This editorial suggests that the prospect of yet another loutish bout of mud wrestling between Donald Trump and the infinitely more qualified, Hillary Clinton, is all the news that’s fit to print.
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Are you kidding me? Hillary Clinton is not dividing this country. Our Russia-assisted, popular vote losing, so-called President is dividing and hurting and ruining this country! STOP!
The press helped him get to the White House by pretending his hate monger it and lies were just politics as usual.
The press helped him get to the White House by pretending his hate monger it and lies were just politics as usual.
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Seems to me that anybody who spends time and effort defending or disparaging Clinton, or Trump, or anybody favoring either one of them and their programs is contributing to dividing the body politic. Clinton's conversation with Amanpour was pathetic; so is the nationwide campaign demonizing Clinton.
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Really? The New York Times is still bashing Hillary Clinton? Just Stop. Now. Hillary Clinton has a right to refer to Donald Trump in any way she chooses to, as do the rest of us. And he isn't a legitimate president. His presidency is the result of interference by the Russians, probable collusion/treason by Americans working with the Russians, Billions of free coverage (read: advertising) by the news media, partisan interference by the director of the FBI, and dark money abetted by Citizens United. He's the legitimate president of Nothing. Donald J Trump has done more to divide this country than any other political figure I can think of. IF he wants to bring the country together then onus is on him, and him alone. He could start by (finally) unequivocally denouncing the Ku Klux Klan and all the white nationalists and white supremacists who aided and abetted his victory. He could apologize for the dog whistle politics and the rampant sexism and misogyny that he engaged in during the campaign. He can then move on to apologizing for depicting our first African American president has an illegitimate Muslim Kenyan. That would be just the start of him trying to undo the damage that he's done to this country. Leave Hillary Clinton alone.
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Hillary should not have dropped to Trump level in the campaign. She fought
to make him look bad (he was, and is) instead of keeping on track with
her policies and explanations of them. Debates were pathetic. I am an
optimist by nature, but I don't feel our country will ever bounce back
from this horrible mess.
to make him look bad (he was, and is) instead of keeping on track with
her policies and explanations of them. Debates were pathetic. I am an
optimist by nature, but I don't feel our country will ever bounce back
from this horrible mess.
Wait. You admonish Hillary Clinton for taking aim at Donald Trump? And you end your lame editorial by suggesting she be nice for the good of her party? This all you got? Nothing else to write about this weekend like starvation in South Sudan or the burbling nationalism in the Balkans? Or, maybe more news stories on climate change to balance out the fact free denier you have put on your opinion page. Maybe you could take your dwindling readership some other edifying place rather than to your endless and tiresome scorn for Hillary Clinton.
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Your editorial board doesn't grow, doesn't learn from its mistakes and its stale criticisms of Mrs Clinton in this piece are as petty as the pettiness it purports to be decrying.
Give it a rest. On the subject of the election, you shed no light.
Give it a rest. On the subject of the election, you shed no light.
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Another terrific piece of FALSE EQUIVALENCE journalism from the Times. You must be kidding. Trump lies and boasts and tosses invective 24/7; that is nothing like Mrs Clinton's questioning his so-called "policies," which change from hour to hour, depending on who last flattered this toxic narcissist. Comey did cost Clinton the election, period. And she has every right to say so. Twice in 16 years, Republicans have stolen presidential elections, once via the Supreme Court, and the second time with the treasonous complicity of Trump with the Russians and the absolutely indefensible actions of Comey, a lifelong Republican. Add to that the Supreme Court seat that Pres. Obama ought to have filled and you have a radical, corrupt party utterly out of control. Trump is their avatar, their exemplar, and there is no way one can reasonably compare him to former First Lady, two-term senator, and distinguished Secretary of State, whether you like her personally (clearly some of the Times' political reporters have made clear they don't) or agree with her policies. You should be hammering Trump for his corruption, treason, and outright grifting of our government, making money off the presidency -- exactly what one would expect from someone of his low character. I hope Mrs Clinton speaks up more. The only chance we have to check Trump is to replace stooges like Ryan who do his bidding and get the House into Democratic hands, so it can investigate and stop this charlatan.
Trump has worked to divide our country more. He doesn't have moral compass to bring us together.
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Hillary Clinton lost the election, and we can hope will not run again. Yet the NY Times is still stuck in time and writing as though she will. Please, let's move on.
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Donald Trump should be every American's opponent. He is as big a threat to the security of our country as Kim Jong Un. The continuing absurd pretense by the New York Times that there exist some sort of equivalence between the unprompted delusional rantings of Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton's direct answers to specific questions by reporters about the very things the New York Times has specifically asked her about is poor journalism at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.
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The country is falling apart, we are the the source of pity and ridicule in the world and all you are concerned with is the temper tantrums of two egotistical personalities?
Remember, it was this Editorial Board that supported Clinton from day one instead of promoting a free and unbiased choice among democrats and independents in the primaries.
What are you smoking in the Editorial Board room? Get back to serious journalism or turn the lights off!
Remember, it was this Editorial Board that supported Clinton from day one instead of promoting a free and unbiased choice among democrats and independents in the primaries.
What are you smoking in the Editorial Board room? Get back to serious journalism or turn the lights off!
Oh dear, once again Hillary is not allowed to express her opinion, even when asked by a respected journalist.
To compare this with Trump's need to reenact his campaign rallies, insisting his inaugeration crowd was the biggest ever, and waving maps at people about the country's vote, is pathetic.
To compare this with Trump's need to reenact his campaign rallies, insisting his inaugeration crowd was the biggest ever, and waving maps at people about the country's vote, is pathetic.
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False equivalence
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Trump does not have the temperment to move on. No other president I can recall continued to hold "I love me" rallies after winning. He has not spoken publicly to any groups other than his most fanatic supporters. He is deplorable.
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Well let's just say you the NYT Did not help Hillary much and again, trying to put HRC on par with DT IS A JOKE.
He's spreads lies she for what it's with is still telling the truth.
In your effort to sell newspapers you helped Trump win.
Bottom line.
He's spreads lies she for what it's with is still telling the truth.
In your effort to sell newspapers you helped Trump win.
Bottom line.
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"Well, there you go again." This editorial is continuing your shameful path of false equivalence. It's the same laziness in NYT coverage that let the gullible believe the nonsense promulgated and amplified by Putin's bots. The first person Mrs. Clinton blamed was herself. There is no denying that misogyny and Comey were the determining factors in her loss, and the ensuing humiliation of the United States.
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For anyone in the Trump coterie of loud, angry clowns to chant "lock [anybody] up" is more than utterly absurd. I'm not sure there's even a word for what it is, but it would reek of irony if there were as much as a smidgen of wit to it. There isn't. In fact, one of the more depressing aspects of this Administration and all its minions is the profound dearth of humor, expect for the grimly risible spectacle of Sean Spicer making a fool of himself and his boss on a daily basis.
Give Spicer his due, though. He does a great impression of Melissa McCarthy.
Give Spicer his due, though. He does a great impression of Melissa McCarthy.
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I think the pres is a little more prolific in doing and saying stupid (nonconstructive) things. There ain't no comparison. Also, though under no obligation, Hillary has the ability to move on. The 'other?' No chance.
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Well written, well reasoned editoriaL,objective to extent an editorial normally partisan can be impartial, examining "au peigne fin" character faults of former antagonists. But Trump has accomplished a great deal in first 100 days:confirmation of SP Justice Gorsuch, removal of regulations preventing businesses from prospering--when has a poor man ever offered you job?--show of force in Syria,tightening of border controls and efforts to defund sanctuary cities, subject on which many differ. But Clinton should come clean, for her own sake and ours, that she is gay,my hunch, and that if she had done so at start of her career, she would have had smoother sailing,and would be President today.When you deny your true nature, nothing will go well. Voters would have accepted her.National Enquirer wrote article once quoting Bill Clinton who said that "Hillary has slept with more women than I have." "Hebdo" was right about Edwards's dalliances, and, according to my sources in Cuban exile community, Bill Novo, Veciana inter alios, Rafael Cruz was in Dallas prior to Nov. 22nd 1963. Friend who worked at Cuomo & Finder told me attorneys there said same thing about Hillary,as well as JFK jr. Take these "on dits" for what they're worth.Rent converted smistamento riverside iwith my 4 dogs in Wilton Manors, gayest per capita city in US.One's sexuality is no big deal.If HRC is so inclined, and if she had been up front about it years ago, she would be president today, my hunch.
No Hillary Clinton is still not holding rallies. Unlike Trump who is probably still selling red hats to his cheerleaders.
Presidents typically go on to hold rallies to support others, not themselves when they are not running for office. The Donald looks very silly, and sounds sillier patting himself on the back for an election that was held six months ago.
Really, what's the point? Needing intermittent cheering gatherings because there are not enough cheerleaders on Pennsylvania Avenue? I mean, he's even got Jared and Ivanka right there holding his hand. He needs rallies, too?
So adolescent. So incompetent. So insecure.
Presidents typically go on to hold rallies to support others, not themselves when they are not running for office. The Donald looks very silly, and sounds sillier patting himself on the back for an election that was held six months ago.
Really, what's the point? Needing intermittent cheering gatherings because there are not enough cheerleaders on Pennsylvania Avenue? I mean, he's even got Jared and Ivanka right there holding his hand. He needs rallies, too?
So adolescent. So incompetent. So insecure.
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I get nauseous when Saint James Comey comes to mind.
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Although neither Macron nor Le Pen have held an office before, he has served in government, while Marine seems to have a chip on her shoulder--fighting back for her father, her party and herself.
Addition ally Emmanuel Macron seems intelligent enough mot to throw out the good with the bad. Modify to suit his own preference, and update things when needed. If France were to follow the U. K., and live the European Union, the trade pact that has seemed to prevent wars similar to the mid 20th Century,every twenty years or so, might fall into disrepair.
Remember that Russia has also shown an interest in the German Election next September!
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
Addition ally Emmanuel Macron seems intelligent enough mot to throw out the good with the bad. Modify to suit his own preference, and update things when needed. If France were to follow the U. K., and live the European Union, the trade pact that has seemed to prevent wars similar to the mid 20th Century,every twenty years or so, might fall into disrepair.
Remember that Russia has also shown an interest in the German Election next September!
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
Pathetic. There is no problem with the way Hillary has conducted herself post campaign. Your continued insistence on false equivalence is an insult to the truth and to your readers. I guess one shouldn't expect any better from the paper that created Whitewater and continues to carry Maureen Dowd. Save your lectures for the most unqualified, unfit and unworthy person to ever occupy the Oval Office. If you had stopped your column with your remarks about Trump, you would have been on solid ground. Quit looking for reasons to attack Hillary. How many more times must she endure the sitting president leading chants of "lock her up"? How dare you pretend that the are in any way equivalent.
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After the Times kept the Benghazi and e-mail flames burning, giving Trump and his party cover that "even the liberal (failing?) New York Times was suspicious of her, now she should "sing Kumbaya" to help push forward policies that are the Republican party's wettest dreams?
You people have got to be kidding.
Further, the Times was very much complicit in trying to reverse engineer a Clinton-Trump general election, so a lot of what happened one can reasonably assign plenty of culpability to the Times.
Think about how the Times helped establish an unprecedented situation where an election, and even a government, after a fashion, can be conducted by twitter feed. You were the outlet that, for months, ran a digital front page sidebar of "Trump's Twitter Insults." And you even marked his 100th day with a summary of presidential twitticisms. This longtime reader is here to tell the Times that it has committed, and continues to commit, egregious journalistic malpractice.
You people have got to be kidding.
Further, the Times was very much complicit in trying to reverse engineer a Clinton-Trump general election, so a lot of what happened one can reasonably assign plenty of culpability to the Times.
Think about how the Times helped establish an unprecedented situation where an election, and even a government, after a fashion, can be conducted by twitter feed. You were the outlet that, for months, ran a digital front page sidebar of "Trump's Twitter Insults." And you even marked his 100th day with a summary of presidential twitticisms. This longtime reader is here to tell the Times that it has committed, and continues to commit, egregious journalistic malpractice.
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Every morning since his first day in office, I go on Trumpwatch. I get up and read the NYT and the Washington Post to see the latest crazy thing or things the President has done. I watch CNN and MSNBC to gather more information. I watch the White House press briefing. I do all of this out of fear of what Trump can do to our country and our world.
In all of this I have seen absolutely no sign of reconciliation from Trump. You may be right in calling for both sides to bring the country together, but I think Trump is the one who should make the first move.
May God bless America and help us all make it through the next four years.
In all of this I have seen absolutely no sign of reconciliation from Trump. You may be right in calling for both sides to bring the country together, but I think Trump is the one who should make the first move.
May God bless America and help us all make it through the next four years.
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Shame on you NYT (again)
Clinton was asked and she is free to spend her energy whenever and wherever she chooses
(Can you spell France and the hack we just learned about)
Trump does nothing but campaign, rather than govern
Doesn't he have a job?
This is the kind of nonsense that got us into this mess to begin with
I saw a truck last summer with a bumper sticker that said "Hillary's lies matter"
the NYT helped Americans feel that Trump's lies didn't.
Keep it up- we can have 7 more years of this deplorable administration
Clinton was asked and she is free to spend her energy whenever and wherever she chooses
(Can you spell France and the hack we just learned about)
Trump does nothing but campaign, rather than govern
Doesn't he have a job?
This is the kind of nonsense that got us into this mess to begin with
I saw a truck last summer with a bumper sticker that said "Hillary's lies matter"
the NYT helped Americans feel that Trump's lies didn't.
Keep it up- we can have 7 more years of this deplorable administration
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Mrs. Clinton twice failed to be president; she should go quietly into that famous dark night.
This is time to allow others, less tired and less tiresome, to lead the opposition to the GOP Congress and that strange creature in the White House.
This is time to allow others, less tired and less tiresome, to lead the opposition to the GOP Congress and that strange creature in the White House.
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Anyone running for president of the United States is likely to have an exaggerated need for social validation and acceptance, and perhaps the last election cycle featured two candidates that exaggerate that need beyond the standard, but criticizing Hillary for these remarks after the truly brutal and unfair culmination of her career seems a low blow. She must still be in the extreme grieving stage.
If so many of her supporters are still nauseated by her defeat to this deplorable candidate by way of a perfect storm of unfortunate events, imagine how she feels. Of course, some of the blame is hers, but she is paying a heavy enough price without piling on.
She is now a private citizen- focus on our president.
If so many of her supporters are still nauseated by her defeat to this deplorable candidate by way of a perfect storm of unfortunate events, imagine how she feels. Of course, some of the blame is hers, but she is paying a heavy enough price without piling on.
She is now a private citizen- focus on our president.
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Are you out of your minds. There is no healing while Trump is in office. There is only resistance of fascism.
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Why try to normalize a president that uses all the markings of fascism to rule?
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Trump will go down as an awful President and I hope our nation does not get dinged up too much surviving Republican governance. But in the long run, a new collection of Americans will have a reference point of how ineptly Republicans govern when they have the keys. The last time Republicans held this much power was the late 1920's and we all know how that turned out.
Ms Clinton please stay out of the Democratic Party for a season. Bill Maher recently said it is time the shorter trees get some sunlight in reference to Hillary, I agree and do not mean Chelsea. Hillary claiming to be part of "the resistance" is about as ridiculous as my dog claiming to be a cat. Ms Clinton, you have had a good run, go call Al Gore about becoming a recovering politician- he has done very well since Y2K- the election.
We need to see people like Tulsi Gabbard, Kamaala Harris, Gavin Newsom and other rising stars get a turn at running things, making policy and standing out front. I only leave Ms Warren out as she is doing fine already.
There is a lot of work to do both now and to prepare for 2020. I would love to see Senator Warren and Congresswoman Gabbard as the Democratic ticket the next time around. Both are strong, smart, well spoken, amazing women with lots to say and it is their turn. The Clinton era is over.
Ms Clinton please stay out of the Democratic Party for a season. Bill Maher recently said it is time the shorter trees get some sunlight in reference to Hillary, I agree and do not mean Chelsea. Hillary claiming to be part of "the resistance" is about as ridiculous as my dog claiming to be a cat. Ms Clinton, you have had a good run, go call Al Gore about becoming a recovering politician- he has done very well since Y2K- the election.
We need to see people like Tulsi Gabbard, Kamaala Harris, Gavin Newsom and other rising stars get a turn at running things, making policy and standing out front. I only leave Ms Warren out as she is doing fine already.
There is a lot of work to do both now and to prepare for 2020. I would love to see Senator Warren and Congresswoman Gabbard as the Democratic ticket the next time around. Both are strong, smart, well spoken, amazing women with lots to say and it is their turn. The Clinton era is over.
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Donald Trump won because he ran an effective campaign. The Times Editors don't like to acknowledge that dirt, lies, and white fascism worked so well with our electorate. Hillary Clinton's "unforced ... errors" were forced and skillfully exploited.
Why does the NYT continue to focus on Hillary when there are many more post-election issues to write about?
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Nor can the NY Times move on and thus "Stuck in Time".
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Who wrote this? It's awful... are you being held hostage? Normalizing the twitter by using HRC as a false equivalent is embarrassing
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Dear NY Times Editorial Board,
Correction. Mr. Donald Trump is the villain keeping the election of November 8, 2017 alive. He can not get past the fact that 54% of the popular vote went to Mrs. Clinton.
The saving grace is that he is stupid enough to do so. It adds to the on-going list of the reasons this man is incompetent to hold office.
Correction. Mr. Donald Trump is the villain keeping the election of November 8, 2017 alive. He can not get past the fact that 54% of the popular vote went to Mrs. Clinton.
The saving grace is that he is stupid enough to do so. It adds to the on-going list of the reasons this man is incompetent to hold office.
Trump is the worst president this country has ever had. He's proven it on a daily basis, and he's done it all by himself. He's a monumental joke and an extreme embarrassment to this country.
Would Hillary Clinton have made a better president? Of course she would have. Unlike Donald Trump, she's intelligent, experienced and she isn't mentally challenged.
Trump, no.
Clinton, yes.
Would Hillary Clinton have made a better president? Of course she would have. Unlike Donald Trump, she's intelligent, experienced and she isn't mentally challenged.
Trump, no.
Clinton, yes.
Yay! It's the Times' favorite "both sides do it" game. It never gets old, editorial board. Really. Please waste more time bashing a Clinton. You're wearing on my nerves to the point of cancelling my subscription. The Clintons are not your enemy. Please stop.
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Another vote for false equivalency. Shame, NYT. We count on you. Facts are not partisan. Please don't go into squishy appeasement mode.
You left out one very important comment by Mrs. Clinton -- she said, in part, that if Mr. Trump had ramped it down and not been continuously bating and tweeting about her and the election, it's more likely that she would have gone quietly into that good night. Look, this is a great editorial and I agree with almost all of it, but Mr. Trump has taken this too far -- he knows he didn't really win this election -- not in the true sense of "winning". He's in over his head and is fast destroying the country. I'm grateful she is speaking out -- look at what the far right here in the U.S. is doing in France with the Russians and Wiki Leaks -- these white supremacists love Putin and are looking for a white world to be running everything -- that's how Mr. Trump got into office -- it's all a little more than terrifying, so I for one am very happy she's speaking out -- after all 66 million American's did vote for her and I would imagine now, many people who voted for Mr. Trump or a third party candidate (which was a vote for Mr. Trump) are regretting it -- although they may not be ready to admit it.
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Exactly right. Why shouldn't she speak out, especially considering what's been going on? I would have thought less of her if she hadn't. Go, Hillary!
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She should not rise to the bait for in doing so she provides the distraction he seeks.
Actually, most GOP do not have buyer's regret, while Hillary cost you the WH, the Senate, the House and multiple Gov Mansions..........Trump won fair and square, according to the US Constitution............name one voter who changed from Hillary to Trump over the Russians
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I really want to read the comments today.
for the love of god, PLEASE fix the Read More button!
for the love of god, PLEASE fix the Read More button!
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Another false equivalency, NYT.
This week, as far as I know, is the first time Clinton has talked publicly about it.
And, I suspect, if she had been a man, her comments would have been an "analysis," not just harping on the past and "baiting."
Very disappointed, NYT.
This week, as far as I know, is the first time Clinton has talked publicly about it.
And, I suspect, if she had been a man, her comments would have been an "analysis," not just harping on the past and "baiting."
Very disappointed, NYT.
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Oh please.. how long you keep talking about women discrimination. She got incredibly more votes than Trump. She ran identity campaign and ignored key electorates I needed WI, PA, MI.
One thing is for certain. President Trump won because of foreign intervention by the Russians. Hillary should get over that fact and move on. President Trump is attempting to destroy America. The President has a bogus bill going through the House of Rep. that will destroy Obamacare. The plan must and shall be abolished in the US Senate. New York has a lot to lose if The President's Health care plan passes in the US Senate. There are a lot of poor people in New York. A lot of poor people will be without healthcare if President Trump is successful. Let us look to the message of the Statue of Liberty. "Give us your poor,..." Why is Trump attempting to destroy the poor? Weren't Trump's grandparents and mother immigrants to the United States? Weren't 2 of Trump's wives immigrants? Why is the President so opposed to immigrants and the poor?
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Hillary Clinton should look at the studies that have been done on the voting pattern of the general election. If she had she would not blame the FBI and the Russians for her defeat. What they show is that any Central Republican candidate would have defeated her more soundly than Trump did as she could not activate the Obama supporters of 2008 as she wished to do. But she also owes “The Deplorables” an apology for so viewing fellow Americans who happened to prefer the other.
Trump is being house broken but is unlikely to conform to convention as he is what he is.
Trump is being house broken but is unlikely to conform to convention as he is what he is.
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The media keeps this alive - their endless speculation on non-stories - their dislike of Hillary Clinton, their inability to admit their role in the election of Trump. So give it up - look for real stories not your half- baked theories on the Trump wonder family. They are raking in billions at our expense. And where is the First Lady? Trump did not spend the night in his NY Tower - and now he weekends in NJ. More tax payer money on security instead of working in DC.
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Expected of Trump. Very disappointing to see in Mrs. Clinton, for whom I voted. Speak out but not ad hominem.
You make many good points here but the comparison between Trump's constant absurd use of Twitter and grandiose restaged campaign gatherings to dig at his former opponent and Democrats in general does not compare to the comments Clinton recently made. Of course she will be asked to comment about her opinion of the election six months ago. Naturally, she will find that election day an unholy mess. Just promise us all that you at the NYT are not rehashing the nonstop baiting criticism of Clinton you made so clear and so erroneously before the Republican primary. After the Republican primary debacle, when you realized the buffoon might actually win and take down the democracy, you tempered your baiting comments. Too late then wasn't it? So who is really stuck in time here? Looks like the NYT and Trump not Clinton and Trump.
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The NY Times continues its quest to normalize Trump with a classic example of both-sides-do-it false equivalence. Trump screams addled and unfocused tweets against Hillary into the void and that is exactly the same as Clinton responding logically to questions about the election and about the handling of specific events.
The NY Times terror of being labeled leftist has perverted and degraded it's news and opinion sections for far too long. Ivanka and Jerod as moderating influences? False spin you published uncritically, like the Comey letters and the hundreds of email and Bengahzi stories.
Any citizen and politician has a right to weight in on how this nation should proceed. You say as much but then criticize her for doing so. You continue your Third Way myth-making that everything would be alright if only those leftists wouldn't say such mean things about the racists and thieves. This is the same nonsense you spouted for so long during the Obamacare negotiations and the prior to the government shutdown where you refused to recognize that the Republicans were directly betraying the American democratic compact. Obama yielded and yielded and got no Republican votes for Obamacare and a government shutdown.
Has the Times has so quickly forgotten the President is supposed to represent the nation? Instead we have corruption, lies, self-dealing and nepotism and an indifference to the Constitution and the law. Yet Clinton is failing us with mild criticism.
The NY Times terror of being labeled leftist has perverted and degraded it's news and opinion sections for far too long. Ivanka and Jerod as moderating influences? False spin you published uncritically, like the Comey letters and the hundreds of email and Bengahzi stories.
Any citizen and politician has a right to weight in on how this nation should proceed. You say as much but then criticize her for doing so. You continue your Third Way myth-making that everything would be alright if only those leftists wouldn't say such mean things about the racists and thieves. This is the same nonsense you spouted for so long during the Obamacare negotiations and the prior to the government shutdown where you refused to recognize that the Republicans were directly betraying the American democratic compact. Obama yielded and yielded and got no Republican votes for Obamacare and a government shutdown.
Has the Times has so quickly forgotten the President is supposed to represent the nation? Instead we have corruption, lies, self-dealing and nepotism and an indifference to the Constitution and the law. Yet Clinton is failing us with mild criticism.
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Come on. Splitting the difference again? Hillary Clinton is not the problem. Donald's second rate mind, third rate character fourth rate leadership skills are. Stop wasting your time trying to figure out how to be fair to a man who has the same sense of equity as a grasping two year old. Where did the notion that this column is necessary come from?
Read that radical George Will. He can explain why
Donny is so far out of his depth that he is a significant threat to the nation. We ought, at this point, to be well past the need to say something negative about Hillary if we say something negative about Donald.
Finally, who really is stuck? Could it be the New York Times?
Read that radical George Will. He can explain why
Donny is so far out of his depth that he is a significant threat to the nation. We ought, at this point, to be well past the need to say something negative about Hillary if we say something negative about Donald.
Finally, who really is stuck? Could it be the New York Times?
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It's hard to move on after you've found out your opponent has essentially cheated.
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And the Pulitzer Prize for False Equivalence goes to... The New York Times!!!
It is perfectly normal for people who lose contests (sports, elections, etc) to focus on the loss and the reasons for it. Trump has redefined the term "sore winner." Get over it already. You won. Do your job.
It is perfectly normal for people who lose contests (sports, elections, etc) to focus on the loss and the reasons for it. Trump has redefined the term "sore winner." Get over it already. You won. Do your job.
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Mrs. CLinton has the opportunity to find a quiet happiness in retirement and not instead involve 325 million other Americans in some loud, painful search for her soul.
Yes Clinton, the martyr, could “represent the aspirations of her party rather than its grievances.” But Dems’ aspirations are limited by need of corporate big money to beat Trump. Dems turned away from their past liberal tradition in the 90s with the Clintons. This led to confusion-- what do our leaders owe to we the people?
The op ed page is full of anti Trump moral outrage. But that's not enough. Where are some policy aspirations they could push for the Dems?
How SHOULD we fund health care for all? Are Americans familiar with working role models in dozens of nations. How SHOULD a democracy fund elections? Columnists don’t want to go there.
The growing insecurity of the working/middle class led to the Trump takeover. Let’s face it, the Dem party, though way better than Gop, has helped weaken the New Deal & Great Society. The link between this and campaign finance is avoided by NYT columnists.
Trump gets worse daily and the Gop holds the 3 branches. Many Americans actually accept abuse by govt. No more raises or pensions. Workers thrown on the trash heap. The CEO/ worker pay ratio soared. ACA medical costs kept rising. College means big debt. The country fell into the hands of a mentally unstable authoritarian.
Clinton's identity was always a martyr to the GOP. Her halo shines brighter as mad Tsar Trump gets worse each day. Now we hear poignant violins in the background of her interviews. We need restoration of reality politics to combat our Reality TV politics.
The op ed page is full of anti Trump moral outrage. But that's not enough. Where are some policy aspirations they could push for the Dems?
How SHOULD we fund health care for all? Are Americans familiar with working role models in dozens of nations. How SHOULD a democracy fund elections? Columnists don’t want to go there.
The growing insecurity of the working/middle class led to the Trump takeover. Let’s face it, the Dem party, though way better than Gop, has helped weaken the New Deal & Great Society. The link between this and campaign finance is avoided by NYT columnists.
Trump gets worse daily and the Gop holds the 3 branches. Many Americans actually accept abuse by govt. No more raises or pensions. Workers thrown on the trash heap. The CEO/ worker pay ratio soared. ACA medical costs kept rising. College means big debt. The country fell into the hands of a mentally unstable authoritarian.
Clinton's identity was always a martyr to the GOP. Her halo shines brighter as mad Tsar Trump gets worse each day. Now we hear poignant violins in the background of her interviews. We need restoration of reality politics to combat our Reality TV politics.
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Oh, what nonsense. No amount of collaboration and reaching-across- the-aisle can, or should, eradicate the fact that Mr. Trump's asencion to the Presidency was enabled by several factors as undeniably real as they are disgustingly un-American: Citizens United allowing anonymous megafunding; the partisan pro-Republican/Tea Party Gerrymandering of too many states; the real and deliberate disenfranchisement of the poor and people of color in the South by the repeal of the Southern Voring Rights act -- nevermind potential/alleged collusion with foreign actors/agencies. Mrs Clinton isn't fighting the last election, nor are any serious Americans; we intend to fight ever harder for every next one. Mr. Trump can't let go of the 2016 election because it is the only thing -- unlike his flip-flop on climate change, his die-for-lower-taxes 'healthcare' plan, his curious gladhander's affection for amoral strongmen, his egomaniac's 'opinion' of his coverage in the press, his personal profitting from taxpayer dollars, his queasy and clammy need to blur religion and politics in the name of money and block votes -- even he cannot change his position on with a lie.
We've gone past fighting an election. The 'election' of Mr. Trump is actually an existential pass-fail question for America: Does the Constitution actually mean anything? And more importantly, how will we re-make. re-think and repair it and America both in the wreckage left behind in the dark wake of Trump's inevitable failure?
We've gone past fighting an election. The 'election' of Mr. Trump is actually an existential pass-fail question for America: Does the Constitution actually mean anything? And more importantly, how will we re-make. re-think and repair it and America both in the wreckage left behind in the dark wake of Trump's inevitable failure?
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Wow! Talk about hubris, talk about 'do as I say, not as I do.' The Times has waged war on Trump and fawned on Hillary from the beginning; they are still doing it.
I do not like Trump or his policies, but he has gotten some things right. That almost never appears in the press. If we are going to have a nation that functions, we have to find a way to compromise. That must include the press. The NYT should lead the way. I am not talking about never criticizing the President, but stop the stupid articles. I mean an entire piece on how shiny his ties are? Really??
Let's have articles on options moving forward. The Senate is talking about writing their own health bill, what should they keep in Obamacare and what should they keep from the Republican House bill? This is the kind of analysis I expect from the Times, so far I have been disappointed.
I do not like Trump or his policies, but he has gotten some things right. That almost never appears in the press. If we are going to have a nation that functions, we have to find a way to compromise. That must include the press. The NYT should lead the way. I am not talking about never criticizing the President, but stop the stupid articles. I mean an entire piece on how shiny his ties are? Really??
Let's have articles on options moving forward. The Senate is talking about writing their own health bill, what should they keep in Obamacare and what should they keep from the Republican House bill? This is the kind of analysis I expect from the Times, so far I have been disappointed.
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Why can't Hillary speak her mind? Good on her; I for one want to hear what she has to say. Why is that being stuck in time? What with all the stories about Russian hacking becoming by the way more credible every day, with the French election involved as well, what she has to say becomes more and more important. Trump is another story - he has nothing to say about Hillary, no more insults thank you, we heard enough already to last a lifetime, remember you won, by hook or by crook.
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How can this even be a mild equivalency? Donnie D is the President, Hillary is a private citizen. Hillary has very right to say or do whatever she likes and have whatever opinion she likes, her only responsibility is to herself. Donnie is acting like a petulant child in need of attention. One who has lied, cheated and stolen to get where he really doesn't want to be (" who knew this would be so hard?, I thought I'd have more time ....) total willful ignorance. His responsibility as the ultimate public SERVANT is to us- the people of the United States.
Hillary is inconsequential except to her hard core fan boi club so her comments are just intended to keep those wounds open to make her feel better.
Up to this point Trump has done nothing to bind the divisive wounds he claimed he would do.. Repeating the same mistakes his predecessor made, which Trump also pointed out. But remember he was voted in, in part, because he was not the typical Washington hack. So it's no surprise he's not filled all of these posts nor do I expect them to be filled.
President Trump needs to do is start trying dismantle the partisanship machine. That is something that he can concretely claim ownership to and the electorate will approve.
Up to this point Trump has done nothing to bind the divisive wounds he claimed he would do.. Repeating the same mistakes his predecessor made, which Trump also pointed out. But remember he was voted in, in part, because he was not the typical Washington hack. So it's no surprise he's not filled all of these posts nor do I expect them to be filled.
President Trump needs to do is start trying dismantle the partisanship machine. That is something that he can concretely claim ownership to and the electorate will approve.
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Seriously? This may be the weirdest piece of False Equivalency "analysis" I have ever seen in the NYT.
It's the media, and the Democrats, that can't leave Clinton alone. She went away for a few months... she's not able to stay away forever!
There have been constant Clinton focused editorials, speeches, and political second guessing - by both the Democratic Party and the Media, since the election. These have been almost entirely independent of anything Clinton herself has said and done since then. She keeps getting asked all these questions. This is not on her.
Considering that Trump has been far more clueless, dangerous, ignorant, and self serving than most of us thought he would be, she - and any Democratic Party Leader - owe Trump's efforts Nothing! If anything, she owes us as much "Resistance " as she can muster!
As the one still threatened with "Lock Her Up" rants from senior GOTP leaders and pundits - and even from voices in the Trump Administration, it's a dizzying pinnacle of disingenuousness to expect some grand "Let's all join hands" gesture from Clinton, or anyone on the Left.
How about Trump start taking his new job seriously, and stop golfing, stop campaigning and the endless looking for more praise, and stop using the Presidency as a Trump business money maker. Please focus your analysis there. Clinton has nothing to do with the wholesale carnage he is inflicting on the nation, and the world!
It's the media, and the Democrats, that can't leave Clinton alone. She went away for a few months... she's not able to stay away forever!
There have been constant Clinton focused editorials, speeches, and political second guessing - by both the Democratic Party and the Media, since the election. These have been almost entirely independent of anything Clinton herself has said and done since then. She keeps getting asked all these questions. This is not on her.
Considering that Trump has been far more clueless, dangerous, ignorant, and self serving than most of us thought he would be, she - and any Democratic Party Leader - owe Trump's efforts Nothing! If anything, she owes us as much "Resistance " as she can muster!
As the one still threatened with "Lock Her Up" rants from senior GOTP leaders and pundits - and even from voices in the Trump Administration, it's a dizzying pinnacle of disingenuousness to expect some grand "Let's all join hands" gesture from Clinton, or anyone on the Left.
How about Trump start taking his new job seriously, and stop golfing, stop campaigning and the endless looking for more praise, and stop using the Presidency as a Trump business money maker. Please focus your analysis there. Clinton has nothing to do with the wholesale carnage he is inflicting on the nation, and the world!
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Hillary Clinton should look at the studies that have been done on the voting pattern of the general election. If she had she would not blame the FBI and the Russians for her defeat. What they show is that any Central Republican candidate would have defeated her more soundly than Trump did as she could not activate the Obama supporters of 2008 as she wished to do. But she also owes “The Deplorables” an apology for so viewing fellow Americans who happened to prefer the other. Trump is being house broken but is unlikely to conform to convention as he is what he is.
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Right after President Obama was elected the Republicans accepted his election and worked constructively with the new President to make America a better country.
We don't owe djt the time off day.
We don't owe djt the time off day.
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It's false equivalence like this that got us into this mess in the first place. Trump has continued to campaign against Clinton ever since his inauguration. Clinton only spoke recently and in response to questions. You think you're being fair and balanced, but you're only normalizing the liar in chief. Maybe it's time I cancel my subscription to the Times and switch to the Washington Post.
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Trump has signed 15+ bills rolling back last minute regulations not supported by the law rolled out by Obama.
Gorsuch.
The illegal alien influx across our southern border has slowed by 75%. Illegal aliens from Mexico have increased by 10 times their requests for documentation for their American born children to immigrate to Mexico.
Democrats may not be happy with Trump's accomplishments, but those who welcome a return to the rule of law are satisfied with his progress.
Gorsuch.
The illegal alien influx across our southern border has slowed by 75%. Illegal aliens from Mexico have increased by 10 times their requests for documentation for their American born children to immigrate to Mexico.
Democrats may not be happy with Trump's accomplishments, but those who welcome a return to the rule of law are satisfied with his progress.
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This piece rings hollow with false equivalency. Until we know whether Trump is just a stooge working for Vladimir Putin, what else should Hillary do?? For the NYT it's just hugs all around and back to business with a capital B. To paraphrase Goldwater: Moderation in defence of democracy is no virtue. Resist.
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This country will never heal as long as trump, his administration and the heartless, bought and paid for, republicans continue their assault to deconstruct our democracy and wage war on our poor, sick, elderly and less fortunate. They are beyond offensive and pathetic. Hillary has every right to use "her opponent" as a sign of disrespect and disgust, and my way when I refer to him it is with no title and a small t intended. Trying to react to and discuss trump as if he were a thoughtful, intelligent individual genuinely interested in anyone or anything other than himself and his family's fortunes is a pointless waste of ink and breath.
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It was very Trumpian for Hillary to claim that she received in excess of 3 million more votes than Trump. She knows very well that the difference in the popular votes was acrual 131,000 votes less than three million. Why not just say she received nearly three million more votes, an astonishing margin for the loser. Doesn't anybody have ANY respect for the facts anymore?
Yes! We are all being kept busy with this silly, world-wide-wrestling-match style rivalry, when we should be paying attention to the many issues pressing on us. Clinton actually supported Trump's action in Syria (though she tried to hem and haw about it due to this childish rivalry). Let's give it a rest and focus on poverty, the economy, education, foreign diplomacy. Enough! We all need to grow up and let go. The game is over, don't hang around like a high school student looking for a fight with the "opposing" team.
For Clinton, it was always about her alone. About her power and about her money.
It was never about the millions of Americans being ground into the dust by her friends in the Hamptons, which whom she hung out all of August 2016.
Let's not amplify her greed and power hunger by helping her distract from the task at hand: pushing back against the onslaught of the Trump administration.
It was never about the millions of Americans being ground into the dust by her friends in the Hamptons, which whom she hung out all of August 2016.
Let's not amplify her greed and power hunger by helping her distract from the task at hand: pushing back against the onslaught of the Trump administration.
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Excuse me?
"...in a conversation with Christiane Amanpour, the television journalist, Mrs. Clinton was asked...(etc)"
She was ASKED, so she responded.
"...in a conversation with Christiane Amanpour, the television journalist, Mrs. Clinton was asked...(etc)"
She was ASKED, so she responded.
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Wow, NYTimes, I have never been so disappointed in your newspaper. The Editorial Board, really? The word I usually use only for DJT, despicable. False equivalences. You start with Trump, then go to Clinton. What is your point? Trump is president. His words matter, bigleague. Clinton is now a private citizen, albeit with a following and potential to lead some part of the resistance. Her answers to Christiane Amanpour were measured, balanced, accurate and a measure of her opinion and assessment of her thinking. She can lead again, but not in the way she has sought before. Don't you have something else to write about that is more important and insightful?
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What's the point? The NYT is the self-declared champion of keeping the hate alive as an explicit marketing strategy and make no mistake - the 'mission' of the NYT is monetizing fear, anxiety, and ignorance. Your own public editors openly acknowledge the NYT makes no attempt to provide accurate unbiased news. The barrier separating opinion and editorializing from news reporting disappeared long ago. How often do we read of Obama's CIA and NSA spying on citizens? Rand Paul wants to know whether political operatives (such as Susan Rice) used their high positions within the Obama administration to access and disseminate Obama FBI and Obama NSA files created and gathered for reasons of national security for political purposes. Every single day we read articles on the new administration that place Republicans in the worst possible light. The NYT treats one half to the country as unwitting agents of an enemy state on a daily basis and then has the temerity to question why the candidates won't move forward? Why not make it an editorial policy to take one day off per week, or even a month from the 365 24/7 partisan hackery and mud-slinging?
The New York Times' editors and writers say that both HRC and Trump are to blame for "America not healing," but we all see how Trump's staffing his White House with far right wingers like Gorka and Sessions, singling out Muslims for mistreatment, and keeping his spokesman even after Spicer repeated a bunch of lite Holocaust denial. HRC treated Black Lives Matter with respect, and she has a history of treating everyone with respect regardless of gender, religion, race, etc. Really, the evidence shows that the NYTimes gave far too much attention to the Comey letter (3 above the fold headlines?) and breathlessly covered the emails, throwing swing states to Trump. The NYTimes needs to print an apology to America for the way it has covered Hillary Clinton.
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Wait a minute. Hillary answers some questions, put to her by one of our most intelligent interviewers, truthfully and you compare that to the onslaught of unprovoked lies propagated by the most powerfully ignorant man ever to stumble into one of the most powerful positions on the planet. You did this during the election as well. These false equivalences are becoming tiresome. If a private citizen flips the president's motorcade the bird as it's passing by and the president then orders a missile strike on the guys hometown, the resulting carnage is not both their faults.
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They're you go again!
The NYT spends more time bashing Hillary Clinton who is a private citizen at this point voicing her opinions than listing the massive failings of Donald Trump who is now President and in a position for which he is totally unqualified and has the power to destroy the world as we know it. The equivalence as usual is false!
When will the NYT get over their hatred of Hillary Clinton and move on?
The NYT spends more time bashing Hillary Clinton who is a private citizen at this point voicing her opinions than listing the massive failings of Donald Trump who is now President and in a position for which he is totally unqualified and has the power to destroy the world as we know it. The equivalence as usual is false!
When will the NYT get over their hatred of Hillary Clinton and move on?
False equivalency much? Between this editorial and the climate change denier hire, I think it might be time to cancel our Times subscription.
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The NYT Editorial Board criticism of Trump,"who after all has a nation to run" is "more than a little pathetic" and hypocritical.
The NYT and many Democrats have endorsed a political tactic of "Trump resistance".
Battling the president at every step and then complaining that the government is not addressing the problems of Americans is disingenuous.
The NYT and many Democrats have endorsed a political tactic of "Trump resistance".
Battling the president at every step and then complaining that the government is not addressing the problems of Americans is disingenuous.
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HRC is a tragic figure really. So experienced as to be unqualified /because/ of her experience i.e. entrenchment. The country wanted a neophyte at a moment when it most desperately needed a steady hand. The ironies are layered knee-deep.
As for this let's-all-move-on braying: only after it is unequivocally proven that the election was legitimate.
Then, let's make sure our next woman candidate's wings are made of steel and carbon fiber so that they don't melt as they reach the sun.
As for this let's-all-move-on braying: only after it is unequivocally proven that the election was legitimate.
Then, let's make sure our next woman candidate's wings are made of steel and carbon fiber so that they don't melt as they reach the sun.
Here we go again! The New York Times were very late to start calling out Trump for his lies; I believe that did not start until the press were made to look ridiculous as he opened his hotel in DC and finally acknowledged that President Obama was American born while blaming Secretary Clinton for spreading the myth about his African birth!
And yet the NYT were constantly comparing the wrongs of the two candidates, though it is very clear that there is no equivalency in egregiousness. As your paper has focused on since the election, Trump' ethical, behavioral & psycholgical unsuitability for the presidency bears no responsibility at all to Secretary Clinton's outstanding record of public service.
I have serious difficulty understanding your mean spiritedness towards her.
And yet the NYT were constantly comparing the wrongs of the two candidates, though it is very clear that there is no equivalency in egregiousness. As your paper has focused on since the election, Trump' ethical, behavioral & psycholgical unsuitability for the presidency bears no responsibility at all to Secretary Clinton's outstanding record of public service.
I have serious difficulty understanding your mean spiritedness towards her.
I hate Trump and every person who voted for him. Every time I see a flood or tornado in a red state, all I think is... take that! There will be no healing.
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Please stop with the false equivalence, double standards and attempts at normalization. And focus on the real problem. The election may be over but the questions about Russian interference are not. There will be no "moving on" until the questions are resolved.
Clinton was asked in an interview about the election. She responded. What was she supposed to do? Tell the interviewer to shut up? If she ducks the question, she is criticized. As being too reserved, evasive, calculating, cautious, etc.
Trump is not asked. He injects infantile comments about the election at inappropriate times. He holds divisive campaign rallies to boost his fragile ego. He is President. Perhaps his failure to move on is because of a guilty conscience?
But Trump's infantilism and Clinton's answers about the election are not the obstacles to moving on.
Trump's opaque foreign business entanglements coupled with Russian interference in the election have cast a grey cloud of doubt and concern over the Elections. Comey's one-sided breach of policy, which favored Trump, also raises questions.
Until Russian interference in the elections and Comey's actions are completely understood, that grey cloud will remain.
If The NY Times wants the nation to move on after this election, spend your editorial wrath on Trump and the Republican Congress for slow walking the investigations. And for Trump's tax returns. The country should not and will not move on until these matters are fully explained.
Clinton was asked in an interview about the election. She responded. What was she supposed to do? Tell the interviewer to shut up? If she ducks the question, she is criticized. As being too reserved, evasive, calculating, cautious, etc.
Trump is not asked. He injects infantile comments about the election at inappropriate times. He holds divisive campaign rallies to boost his fragile ego. He is President. Perhaps his failure to move on is because of a guilty conscience?
But Trump's infantilism and Clinton's answers about the election are not the obstacles to moving on.
Trump's opaque foreign business entanglements coupled with Russian interference in the election have cast a grey cloud of doubt and concern over the Elections. Comey's one-sided breach of policy, which favored Trump, also raises questions.
Until Russian interference in the elections and Comey's actions are completely understood, that grey cloud will remain.
If The NY Times wants the nation to move on after this election, spend your editorial wrath on Trump and the Republican Congress for slow walking the investigations. And for Trump's tax returns. The country should not and will not move on until these matters are fully explained.
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I absolutely agree with you on every point. Mrs Clinton answers questions six months after the election and the NYT Editorial Board spouts that she is re-running the campaign. So unfair.
Since the election 6 months ago, Mrs. Clinton has made few public appearances. She gave one (1) interview recently. How things must have built up inside her, particularly with Comey's acknowledgement (finally) of Trump associates being investigated starting last summer.
Trump has ceaselessly re-played the election victory and maligned Mrs. Clinton. Still inciting his sycophants to "lock her up". Accused Obama of wire-tapping him. On and on and on, too many pathologically immature remarks to list. Please don't compare Mrs. Clinton's recent interview to the last 6 months of Trump's never-ending grand-standing and lying.
Trump has ceaselessly re-played the election victory and maligned Mrs. Clinton. Still inciting his sycophants to "lock her up". Accused Obama of wire-tapping him. On and on and on, too many pathologically immature remarks to list. Please don't compare Mrs. Clinton's recent interview to the last 6 months of Trump's never-ending grand-standing and lying.
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"pathologically immature remarks"
It is stunning isn't it? Has the NYT forgotten that just 60 days ago this "president" called President Obama a sick and bad guy who committed a felony against him?
And then the NYT has the audacity to say anything about Mrs. Clinton who has given but 1 interview. And has never said anything intemperate about the "president" except that he could be baited by a tweet and was unqualified. Both of these are true.
Give me a break.
It is stunning isn't it? Has the NYT forgotten that just 60 days ago this "president" called President Obama a sick and bad guy who committed a felony against him?
And then the NYT has the audacity to say anything about Mrs. Clinton who has given but 1 interview. And has never said anything intemperate about the "president" except that he could be baited by a tweet and was unqualified. Both of these are true.
Give me a break.
I bet Donald will be unable to resist attacking Hillary in the 2020 campaign.
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Yes, whether she runs or not...
He'll be in prison in 2020.
I remain mystified at both the editorial rantings and the continued public reactions to our president. Why in any rational person's mind would one expect the president to act any way other than the way he has acted all his life? Why would being President of the United States be any different to someone with his mental disorders than any other so-called "job" he has approached in the last 70 years?
Are Americans so unacquainted with what I like to call "THE OTHER AMERICA" that they would believe that someone from that “country” would care about anything but themselves and what they can "get" in this life? A child in a candy store with no supervision will behave EXACTLY like one would expect a child to behave. Where is the mystery?
So, a small group of about 80,000 Americans voted to hire a New York billionaire to "fix" their problems. Why would they believe he had even the slightest awareness of anything but what he has been doing for 70 years?
I blame our school system for the rampant ignorance of our voters who did this. When I was in school, we learned about "propaganda" in politics and we learned that advertising was not supposed to be true. What happened to those lesson plans? What happened to teaching critical thinking?
Are Americans so unacquainted with what I like to call "THE OTHER AMERICA" that they would believe that someone from that “country” would care about anything but themselves and what they can "get" in this life? A child in a candy store with no supervision will behave EXACTLY like one would expect a child to behave. Where is the mystery?
So, a small group of about 80,000 Americans voted to hire a New York billionaire to "fix" their problems. Why would they believe he had even the slightest awareness of anything but what he has been doing for 70 years?
I blame our school system for the rampant ignorance of our voters who did this. When I was in school, we learned about "propaganda" in politics and we learned that advertising was not supposed to be true. What happened to those lesson plans? What happened to teaching critical thinking?
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Shameful false equivalence.
It ill behooves the NY Times, which devoted the entire above the fold front page to the nothingburger Comey announcement in violation of Justice Dept. guidelines, thereby raising the saliency of this minor issue, to equate Clinton's honest and accurate response to questions on the campaign with Trump's cheap shots.
It ill behooves the NY Times, which devoted the entire above the fold front page to the nothingburger Comey announcement in violation of Justice Dept. guidelines, thereby raising the saliency of this minor issue, to equate Clinton's honest and accurate response to questions on the campaign with Trump's cheap shots.
This is a false argument that the NYTimes for some reason thinks it has to perpetuate with this editorial. You're pitting them against each other in the same way you did during the campaign, normalizing Trump and email-servering us to death. Hillary Clinton, who has made few public appearances until recently, has said she will be working with the grassroots movement to regain power, but you focus on comments you think support your argument. Jeez Louise, the election was stolen, the Supreme Court seat was stolen...why do you hold her to a different standard, when you are paying a climate denier to pen a column. That's journalism? Maybe I just have to get used to the idea that you've lowered your journalistic and ethical standards. I am sure you won't publish this. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd publish comments directly rather than screening them.
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This is false equivalence.
Donald Trump continually brings up the election, unprompted.
Hillary Clinton was responding to a question from a reporter.
Do better, New York Times.
Donald Trump continually brings up the election, unprompted.
Hillary Clinton was responding to a question from a reporter.
Do better, New York Times.
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The very premise of this article is tragically depressing -let alone the number of commenters supporting it. Clearly, the left/Democrats have learned nothing from 2000. Perhaps if the Democrats were half as good as the GOP in sustaining outrage and having the media cover their outrage - we would still be talking about the gross overreach of the Supreme Court in 2000 handing the election to W and the affront that was to democracy - rather than treating it as a historical footnote. If the Democrats had channeled half the outrage that conservatives managed over the non-scandalous Benghazi. I have to admit - I admire the GOP for getting a nation to think that the tragedy of Benghazi was somehow Ms. Clinton's fault - while 9/11, Beirut #! and #2 and so on were in no way considered the fault of Bush and Reagan. Liberals need to channel a little of that outrage - quit blaming Ms. Clinton and start blaming the GOP for their systematic manufacturing of fake scandals, the ignorant populace who believes it - and start holding every Congress person's feet to the fire with the real scandal that is Comey, Russia and Donald Trump's daily double dealings and offenses as President.
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As others have pointed out here, Mrs. Clinton was answering pointed questions in front of an audience. She is also promoting her book, as she is required to do, no doubt. After I saw the interview in it's entirety, my initial reaction to the brief clips I'd previously seen was completely reversed. She really was answering honestly, and some of the questions were obviously hard for her to tackle. But she did. I wondered if the editorial board watched the entire interview, too, before writing this peculiarly slanted piece?
It seemed very important that she, the victim of election hacking by Russia, as well as outrageous, unheard of bullying by djt, not to mention dirty tricks by the FBI, should openly comment on all that has befallen her in this baffling new era of blatant corruption.
President Trump's crude and, in fact, ceaseless taunting of Mrs. Clinton, now a private citizen who is offering thoughtful insights into her situation, cannot be glibly held up for comparison. These are not normal times.
I am concerned that the NYT has taken Obama's comments comparing them to FOX too much to heart!
It seemed very important that she, the victim of election hacking by Russia, as well as outrageous, unheard of bullying by djt, not to mention dirty tricks by the FBI, should openly comment on all that has befallen her in this baffling new era of blatant corruption.
President Trump's crude and, in fact, ceaseless taunting of Mrs. Clinton, now a private citizen who is offering thoughtful insights into her situation, cannot be glibly held up for comparison. These are not normal times.
I am concerned that the NYT has taken Obama's comments comparing them to FOX too much to heart!
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Hillary Clinton has a right to be bitter about the way the November election turned out. She lost the election for president of the United States, not some local school board position. Come on, NY Times! Your paper emphasized those pesky e-mails day after day after day, while giving Trump millions of dollars of free publicity for his rallies.
I for one am glad that at least SOME democrat has decided to take on Donald J. Trump. Certainly Barack Obama is not up to that task. Yet the Times asks what's the point.
How dare Hillary Clinton speak out. Maybe she should just act like the good little woman and fade into the woodwork?
I for one am glad that at least SOME democrat has decided to take on Donald J. Trump. Certainly Barack Obama is not up to that task. Yet the Times asks what's the point.
How dare Hillary Clinton speak out. Maybe she should just act like the good little woman and fade into the woodwork?
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Wow, am I disappointed. This article is constituting the problem it seeks to eradicate. You're right, the campaign is over. Trump is the president. As such, it is your job as journalists to scrutinize his words, actions, and motivations. But regardless of how Clinton refers to Trump, the two are no longer opponents. Stop acting like they are. Stop comparing what she "would" do with the presidency to what he is actually doing. And stop acting as if she has some responsibility to the Democratic party of the future. She has only the same responsibility as all of us: to stand up, speak out, and vote.
Trump got the job. If you don't like the divisiveness, blame him. He works for us now. She does not.
Trump got the job. If you don't like the divisiveness, blame him. He works for us now. She does not.
Oh please, NY Times Editorial Board - False equivalence much? I am about as far from being a fan of HRC as anyone on the left could be, but she was answering specific questions about the election, and her answers were certainly reasonable. On the other hand, as the Washington Post Fact-checking team noted just a few days ago, Donald Trump spoke or tweeted 488 separate lies/misstatements in the first 100 days, is utterly enmeshed and embroiled in such a deep level of business emoluments as to make Ponzi schemers everywhere blush, twists in an astoundingly bipolar fashion on everything from healthcare to North Korea, and let's not even get started on his being under investigation by the FBI for collusion with Putin's Posse to hack the election - I am only stopping because my fingers got tired.
You compare this singularly dishonest, ethically bankrupt and pathologically insecure narcissist, one who has to be fact-checked if he says it is sunny (see the inauguration boast), you compare THAT to a garden-variety centrist corporate Democrat answering questions at a forum?
New York Times Editorial Board, enough with the false equivalences. I know Donald Trump, I have watched Donald Trump, Donald Trump is a REAL enemy of the people. Hillary Clinton is no Donald Trump.
You compare this singularly dishonest, ethically bankrupt and pathologically insecure narcissist, one who has to be fact-checked if he says it is sunny (see the inauguration boast), you compare THAT to a garden-variety centrist corporate Democrat answering questions at a forum?
New York Times Editorial Board, enough with the false equivalences. I know Donald Trump, I have watched Donald Trump, Donald Trump is a REAL enemy of the people. Hillary Clinton is no Donald Trump.
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It is dismaying to see in an editorial by the New York Times a truly stunning example of false equivalence, comparing the comments of Hillary Clinton, on losing in what we may still find to be a fixed election, to the braying nastiness of the undeserving winner. We owe much to the press for this catastrophe we are living through. One would have thought that even a casual review of its reprehensible behavior during the election, and its results, would have motivated a semblance of fairness in offering such assessments as in this editorial. In brief, it stinks, though in a semblance of fairness one might argue that the comparison is so outrageous in its conception that no treatment could avoid condemnation.
It recalls the tidy balancing of the two lying candidates, as portrayed in most of the press, including all the fact checkers and the New York Times. You have, on the one hand, an occasional dissembler, Hillary, who is accused of telling lies 20 years old, all unproven, and one trivial episode of apparent invention in a war zone; on the other hand, we have a liar of monumental, unimaginable depth and scope, a world class liar. To compare these two on a scale of dishonesty is a travesty. To compare Hillary's interview where she points out some facts about the recent calamity to the ongoing train wreck in the White House is equally a travesty.
It recalls the tidy balancing of the two lying candidates, as portrayed in most of the press, including all the fact checkers and the New York Times. You have, on the one hand, an occasional dissembler, Hillary, who is accused of telling lies 20 years old, all unproven, and one trivial episode of apparent invention in a war zone; on the other hand, we have a liar of monumental, unimaginable depth and scope, a world class liar. To compare these two on a scale of dishonesty is a travesty. To compare Hillary's interview where she points out some facts about the recent calamity to the ongoing train wreck in the White House is equally a travesty.
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Yeah, but she's a girl. And an uppity one at that.
Agree. Clinton should take up painting.
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I disagree. Mrs. Clinton has a charity to run that helps people the world over, while Trump only causes havoc. Trump should be the one to take up painting. His absence would serve the country well, and the exercise might allow him vent his vindictive tendencies without causing harm to others.
Mrs. Clinton needs to step down from speaking on the election any longer. I am convinced that the health care legislation, having passed, by such a slim margin, was pure spite, and encouraged by Trump's megaphone, about her comments, last week, and helped him "win" again. Her public analysis is not helpful and, I hope, and pray, that good people around Mrs. Clinton will help her heal and move on. President Trump's cowardly vindictive and abhorrent tweets will always work with his base, but in courage and in strength, Mrs. Clinton must rise above this election. Mrs. Clinton is at her best working with her sleeves rolled up, in front of any loss. She is a General of our nation, and should not provide more opportunities for this President to keep treating her badly. It will always hurt to watch. She, alone, represented our nation's best hopes admirably, in one of the most hideous Presidential wins of our history.
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While I agree that both need to move on; I take issue with the Editorial Board's rather snarky conclusion:
"(Something is awry with Mrs. Clinton’s strategy if she thinks she is undermining Mr. Trump by volunteering to be the diversion that he clearly wants her to be.)"
I think she is right- that it is quite ok with her if Trump uses her as a twitter-target. If it means a diversion that keeps him away from involving himself in Foreign Affairs (and Domestic Affairs)- we're all winners.
"(Something is awry with Mrs. Clinton’s strategy if she thinks she is undermining Mr. Trump by volunteering to be the diversion that he clearly wants her to be.)"
I think she is right- that it is quite ok with her if Trump uses her as a twitter-target. If it means a diversion that keeps him away from involving himself in Foreign Affairs (and Domestic Affairs)- we're all winners.
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We need Hillary to go away. Far, far away. Her 15 minutes are up. It ended with a bang and now we're hearing the whimper.
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We need trump to go away more.
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Why wouldn't you say the same thing about Bernie. He lost, too. Maybe people who lose still have something important to say.
NYTimes: I find the comparison odious, yet another false equivalency. You accuse Hilary of being human--a touch of irony here, since the previous accusation was that she is anything but human.
It's difficult to imagine that anyone --male or female-- with her education, devotion to public service, and experience could take the nightmare of Nov. 8 lying down. She remained silent for months, and this reader, for one, wishes she had spoken out sooner. I hope she continues to call out this travesty for what it is. The words Comey, Russia, Trump, and treason cannot be spoken together enough times.
Makes me weep in despair. ENOUGH ALREADY!
It's difficult to imagine that anyone --male or female-- with her education, devotion to public service, and experience could take the nightmare of Nov. 8 lying down. She remained silent for months, and this reader, for one, wishes she had spoken out sooner. I hope she continues to call out this travesty for what it is. The words Comey, Russia, Trump, and treason cannot be spoken together enough times.
Makes me weep in despair. ENOUGH ALREADY!
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Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. I believe Mrs. Clinton has been a gracious loser. For months Mrs. Clinton kept a low profile but now she has the right to speak her mind just like any other citizen. If the situation were reversed and Trump won the popular vote but lost presidency he would have called it a rigged election & would refuse to concede. We know that is true because he said it during the campaign.
The Times is angry that Mrs. Clinton refers to Trump as her opponent inside of president. Nobody who voted for Trump regards him as our president for obvious reasons.
Mrs. Clinton may not have run a perfect campaign but it was good enough to win. Trump ran a terrible campaign where he did nothing to expand base his but that was obscured by Comey whose actions stole the presidency for him. Comey used a double standard. He reopened his investigation of Mrs. Clintons emails 11 daysdays before the election. According to Comey it would have been catastrophic for him not to do so. He concealed that Trump was under investigation for collaborating with Russia because he did not want to interfere with election.
Mrs. Clinton has been a model of selfcontrol.
She is not a saint & she should not be expected to act like one. Hillary Clinton won the presidency but it was stolen from her by the trio of Comey, Putin and Assange. If Americans knew Trump was under FBI investigation for collaborating with Russia Hillary would have won by a landslide.
The Times is angry that Mrs. Clinton refers to Trump as her opponent inside of president. Nobody who voted for Trump regards him as our president for obvious reasons.
Mrs. Clinton may not have run a perfect campaign but it was good enough to win. Trump ran a terrible campaign where he did nothing to expand base his but that was obscured by Comey whose actions stole the presidency for him. Comey used a double standard. He reopened his investigation of Mrs. Clintons emails 11 daysdays before the election. According to Comey it would have been catastrophic for him not to do so. He concealed that Trump was under investigation for collaborating with Russia because he did not want to interfere with election.
Mrs. Clinton has been a model of selfcontrol.
She is not a saint & she should not be expected to act like one. Hillary Clinton won the presidency but it was stolen from her by the trio of Comey, Putin and Assange. If Americans knew Trump was under FBI investigation for collaborating with Russia Hillary would have won by a landslide.
Given all of the important things going on in the world, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why the NYTimes wasted its valuable editorial space on what Hillary Clinton said to Christiane Amanpour - when she was asked! Comparing her comments - when she was asked-- to Trump is the type of false equivalence engaged in by the media that has landed us where we are today. I guess it is just too hard for you to give up the sport of Hillary-bashing.
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You write, "I guess it is just too hard for you to give up 'the sport of Hillary-bashing'." Or, may I add, 'the mind-set of misogyny'.
So much for the sincerity of the Times' worthless non-apology "apology" for their coverage of the campaign shortly after Trump's election.
Aside from Trump's bravado and Hillary's non-acceptance "acceptance" of responsibility for failing to beat the weakest opponent in memory. it is the Times that keeps ripping off the scab every few days for another junkie's fix of delusional spite from any available source. Rather than Trump, It is the NYT as much as anybody who is "stoking resentment", while the major parties take turns obstructing one another. This is hardly the sort of opinion-making that serves the public interest. I can see little in the future except Trump's re-election unless the Democrats stop confusing petulance with seriousness. and put some of their own skin in the game rather than flipping over the board when they lose.
Aside from Trump's bravado and Hillary's non-acceptance "acceptance" of responsibility for failing to beat the weakest opponent in memory. it is the Times that keeps ripping off the scab every few days for another junkie's fix of delusional spite from any available source. Rather than Trump, It is the NYT as much as anybody who is "stoking resentment", while the major parties take turns obstructing one another. This is hardly the sort of opinion-making that serves the public interest. I can see little in the future except Trump's re-election unless the Democrats stop confusing petulance with seriousness. and put some of their own skin in the game rather than flipping over the board when they lose.
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Hilary Clinton is not the head of the greatest country on earth. She is a private citizen and can do what she wants. Donald Trump is the President of the United States. His words and actions affect the well being of every person on this planet. Why is the New York Times, a news source I depend upon for accurate reporting of events, and considered evaluation of these events, perpetuating this odd idea that Trump' s choices and behavior can be excused because of what the losing candidate says or does? The competition is over. Please get some reporters and opinionators who are capable of thinking about world events in a different frame than a high school football game, and start doing some honest and accurate reporting on the serious damage this uneducated, uninformed, greedy crook is doing to our future.
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To criticize Hilllary Clinton for making truthful observations about why she lost the election is absurd. Comey cost her the presidency. No question.
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The editorial is entirely right, but there's something to be added at the very end.
Yes, Hillary Clinton "has the opportunity to represent the aspirations of her party rather than its grievances." That would be a selfless thing to do in service to her country, but selflessness comes even less naturally to her than to most politicians. Service to her country has been a means to an egoistic end. Now that this end has become a dead end, the grievances -- her own, not her party's -- must be all in all to her.
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Yes, Hillary Clinton "has the opportunity to represent the aspirations of her party rather than its grievances." That would be a selfless thing to do in service to her country, but selflessness comes even less naturally to her than to most politicians. Service to her country has been a means to an egoistic end. Now that this end has become a dead end, the grievances -- her own, not her party's -- must be all in all to her.
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I'm not sure I completely agree with the Times' take here, but I do confess to more than a little hope that Ms. Clinton would, ahem, step aside. Thank you for your service; we've seen enough.
Would we all be better off if Hillary Clinton had won? Of course. Unequivocally. But she didn't. And so we now have a petulant, ignorant, child in the most important leadership position in the world.
We need Hillary Clinton to be the adult in the room, because Donald Trump is incapable of it. And that means she needs to put aside her disappointments, her ambitions, her careerism - her ego, effectively - and marshal her experience, her intelligence, and resolve, for the needs of all the profoundly endangered people she claims to want to serve. It means tamping down her ambition, and throwing all of her enormous strengths behind a decent, smart, experienced, and ethical person - be it Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie Sanders, or Joe Biden - who is actually capable of something resembling statesmanship and governing. And of winning.
Because this is no bagatelle. The whole world is at stake. Really.
We need Hillary Clinton to be the adult in the room, because Donald Trump is incapable of it. And that means she needs to put aside her disappointments, her ambitions, her careerism - her ego, effectively - and marshal her experience, her intelligence, and resolve, for the needs of all the profoundly endangered people she claims to want to serve. It means tamping down her ambition, and throwing all of her enormous strengths behind a decent, smart, experienced, and ethical person - be it Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie Sanders, or Joe Biden - who is actually capable of something resembling statesmanship and governing. And of winning.
Because this is no bagatelle. The whole world is at stake. Really.
Strange editorial.
Trump being in a league of his own was a given before the election.
A minor real estate tycoon and obnoxious reality-TV personality, who bullied his way through the Republican primaries, abetted by the media who gave him more free airtime than anyone else.
It IS odd that enough registered voters went for him and, to an outsider, even odder that an 18th century holdover could skew the final result by wiping out 3 million votes and install him as POTUS.
But POTUS is what he is.
Yes, he does go on and on about the size of his inaugural crowd.
Yes, his campaign rhetoric drones on, too.
And yes, that is unexpected when compared to previous presidents, but is it unexpected for DJT?
Meanwhile Gorsuch has been nominated, the ACA has been repealed and unemployment and illegal migration are down.
For sure, a whole bunch of senior positions remain to be filled, but how many of those are truly necessary?
For sure, some of the appointed are decidedly odd ducks, and virtually certain to make a dog's breakfast of their responsibilities and departments, but hey, dismantling is what Trump and evil Count Bannon announced.
And so on.
If I had voted for him, I'd be quite pleased with the result.
The wall and the infrastructure, well you just wait (and wait and...).
I find it far more worrying that Hilary Clinton is not focusing on crafting a strategy to help take back Congress.
2018 is just around the corner, guys!
And, to his supporters, DJT is a big success.
Trump being in a league of his own was a given before the election.
A minor real estate tycoon and obnoxious reality-TV personality, who bullied his way through the Republican primaries, abetted by the media who gave him more free airtime than anyone else.
It IS odd that enough registered voters went for him and, to an outsider, even odder that an 18th century holdover could skew the final result by wiping out 3 million votes and install him as POTUS.
But POTUS is what he is.
Yes, he does go on and on about the size of his inaugural crowd.
Yes, his campaign rhetoric drones on, too.
And yes, that is unexpected when compared to previous presidents, but is it unexpected for DJT?
Meanwhile Gorsuch has been nominated, the ACA has been repealed and unemployment and illegal migration are down.
For sure, a whole bunch of senior positions remain to be filled, but how many of those are truly necessary?
For sure, some of the appointed are decidedly odd ducks, and virtually certain to make a dog's breakfast of their responsibilities and departments, but hey, dismantling is what Trump and evil Count Bannon announced.
And so on.
If I had voted for him, I'd be quite pleased with the result.
The wall and the infrastructure, well you just wait (and wait and...).
I find it far more worrying that Hilary Clinton is not focusing on crafting a strategy to help take back Congress.
2018 is just around the corner, guys!
And, to his supporters, DJT is a big success.
Really New York Times!
She was the queen of your presidential mountain when you held her coronation on these pages. Now she is past her sell by date, Then she was all things wise and glorious. Singularly you (and Krugman) went on to sandbag Bernie Sanders, who as of my reading, little reported here, is presently doing the work the president, Hillary and the Democratic party, by visiting the many pockets of misery this paper recently discovered in late stage mea culpas. Hard to fit those bleak West Virginia pictures next to those obscene Met Gala pictures of the rich and fatuous. Krugman painted Bernie as a wild eyed radical about to do the country in and this paper denigrated him at every turn. The New York Times got the candidate it deserved- the country did not. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/opinion/sunday/hillary-clinton-for-pr...
She was the queen of your presidential mountain when you held her coronation on these pages. Now she is past her sell by date, Then she was all things wise and glorious. Singularly you (and Krugman) went on to sandbag Bernie Sanders, who as of my reading, little reported here, is presently doing the work the president, Hillary and the Democratic party, by visiting the many pockets of misery this paper recently discovered in late stage mea culpas. Hard to fit those bleak West Virginia pictures next to those obscene Met Gala pictures of the rich and fatuous. Krugman painted Bernie as a wild eyed radical about to do the country in and this paper denigrated him at every turn. The New York Times got the candidate it deserved- the country did not. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/opinion/sunday/hillary-clinton-for-pr...
It is not only the 2 presidential candidates but a large portion of the country that is stuck in time, i.e., disgruntled democrats. Witness the anti-Trump protests, violent riots, e.g. Portland, and the Resist movement, as if Trump is an occupying force such as Nazi Germany was in WW II instead of the lawful legitimate winner via the Electoral College. Witness the biased and constant anti-Trump coverage by the MSM, and remarks made by Hollywood Royalty and formerly funny but now crude Comedians. (Steven Colbert, looking at you.)
Compare this to GOP voters, who must have been disappointed in 2008 and 2012 but accepted the loss of McCain and then Romney to Obama, without a single solitary riot.
Hillary could have been dignified and magnanimous by attempting to bridge the gap, but instead has announced that she has joined the 'resistance'. She is taking the easy road instead of the high road. Compare this to Al Gore who lost to Bush in 2000 in a very contested election with irregularities in FL, who accepted the outcome for the sake of the union; the peaceful transfer of power as expected in our Republic therefore occurred after the unprecedented and disappointing-to-many ruling by the US Supreme Court. Gore did not join any 'resistance', but found a new purpose as an environmental advocate.
Hillary would do well to follow Gore's (and McCain's and Romney's) lead.
Compare this to GOP voters, who must have been disappointed in 2008 and 2012 but accepted the loss of McCain and then Romney to Obama, without a single solitary riot.
Hillary could have been dignified and magnanimous by attempting to bridge the gap, but instead has announced that she has joined the 'resistance'. She is taking the easy road instead of the high road. Compare this to Al Gore who lost to Bush in 2000 in a very contested election with irregularities in FL, who accepted the outcome for the sake of the union; the peaceful transfer of power as expected in our Republic therefore occurred after the unprecedented and disappointing-to-many ruling by the US Supreme Court. Gore did not join any 'resistance', but found a new purpose as an environmental advocate.
Hillary would do well to follow Gore's (and McCain's and Romney's) lead.
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Clinton and Trump are not on parallel paths. Trump is the bad guy by leaps and bounds. Now Trump is stuck in his own corrupt and deficient brain, a great misfortune for our country. Imagine if future info tells a story of vast collusion?
Clinton had a right to comment, now that even more is known. Let's see what she does from this time forward. It may be quite positive.
We know what Trump will do: continue to unravel. Then what?
Clinton had a right to comment, now that even more is known. Let's see what she does from this time forward. It may be quite positive.
We know what Trump will do: continue to unravel. Then what?
She is not our president partly because Putin knew she would keep or increase sanctions snd establish a no fly zone in Syria. She was apparently defenseless against his kryptonite.
You quote a nice-sounding Trump quotation, but he spent way more energy being nasty to her. Going low. I think the premise of "both sides do it" is a recent New York Times thing, and does a serious disservice to your readers. It's not honest. It's superficially trying to sound balanced, but it's buying into the premise of fake news. Facts are facts. Trump was nasty to Hillary. A constant stream of it. New York Times -- please quit with the "both sides do it" opinion pieces. Seriously.
You can't be serious. This vile man is the worst excuse for a human being ever to become the chief magistrate of the United States. And considering the history of the office, that is saying something. I have no interest in national unity so long as he is in the White House. I look forward to his complete and utter failure. As for HRC I understand her frustration. How enough voters chose this unqualified and ill tempered man over a supremely qualified woman to give him his anti democratic Electoral College "victory" is something that still astounds me and obviously continues to vex her, for good reason. Hopefully, his rabid supporters, who will suffer the most during the next four years, will learn a painful lesson. Unity? If Trump has a successful term the country will be irrevocably damaged. He must be resisted on all fronts. Unify behind that.
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I am startled that the NYT continues to practice the false equivalency that sufficiently normalized Trump's disgusting behavior enough to get him elected in the first place. Clinton is virtually silent for three long months and when she finally comes out of hiding and does an interview or two she is suddenly nearly as bad as Trump. That my favorite newspaper is moving towards the right of the political spectrum is becoming increasingly disappointing.
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Perhaps it would help Hilary Clinton to move beyond the 2016 election if the New York Times could analyse and admit its role in her defeat by devoting an excessive amount of publicity to Comey's letter. It was clear at the time that the NYT had decided Clinton would win and wanted to get a jump on uncovering the "first scandal" of the Clinton presidency. In a misguided attempt at evenhandedness the NYT gave too much coverage to Comey and the email scandal, you even described him as a straight arrow, and far too little to Trump's Russia ties.
This editorial continues your somewhat pathetic attempt to normalise an abnormal situation. The election was stolen, Trump is not legitimate and it can never be time to move on until he is removed from office either by election or impeachment.
The current mood in the country makes manifest the serious problems with US democracy: gerrymandered districts, a Republican party with scant regard for the truth, a Democratic party that is out of touch with the real concerns of its natural base and an electorate that is so ill educated that it is totally unprepared for the critical thinking that is needed to vote effectively.
Democracy itself is endangered in the Republic today and you offer anodyne pleas for a return to normalcy. As readers we deserve better from you.
This editorial continues your somewhat pathetic attempt to normalise an abnormal situation. The election was stolen, Trump is not legitimate and it can never be time to move on until he is removed from office either by election or impeachment.
The current mood in the country makes manifest the serious problems with US democracy: gerrymandered districts, a Republican party with scant regard for the truth, a Democratic party that is out of touch with the real concerns of its natural base and an electorate that is so ill educated that it is totally unprepared for the critical thinking that is needed to vote effectively.
Democracy itself is endangered in the Republic today and you offer anodyne pleas for a return to normalcy. As readers we deserve better from you.
This Editorial is very disturbing. Donald Trump has continued not only his assault on Hillary Clinton by passing out maps of the United States with his electoral win during interviews, berating her in most public speeches and by basking in his "lock her up" chant at his post election rallies. He is a 4th grade bully who wants to remind people that he is the toughest. Hillary Clinton is now able to say what everyone including Trump knows. He was elected by extraordinary interference by the Russians, Wikileaks and Comey. She admits she made bad decisions but scholars will study this election for years. Books will be written and classes will be taught about this past election. The spot light does need to remain on how trump's anger and rhetoric (including his obsession with President Obama's birth certificate) fueled the hatred and division in this country. He is incapable of uniting America because he only roots for himself and his pocket book. Those in this country that elected an amoral reality star cheer for him even as his policies will destroy their lives. What his presidency is after a 100 days should never be normalized by the news media. Don't sugarcoat it, make excuses for it or blame this countries divisions on anyone else other that the person sitting in the Oval Office. After all isn't he supposed to be president to all of America.
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Just keep this in mind. If the roles were reversed and Trump had won more then 2.8 million more votes after Comey had made false accusations aboout one of his businesses and yet Clinton was holding the office the GOP would have simply made the country ungovernable. Remember what he said "I pledge to accept the result of the election if I win" To make this false equivalence is sickening.
Move on? That's why Bush and Cheney and the Bush Cabinet were never investigated and why we never jailed anyone for authorising torturing prisoners, invading and destroying Iraq, raking in obscene profits from war, and destroying the global financial market. Moving on is not acceptable when justice has been denied.
Trump is obviously unfit, unstable, and dangerous and he may have taken office as a result of crimes committed by his minions with his Russian Paramour Putin, Trump may be illegitimate. Clinton was wronged. She should sue everyone she can and stay out of the spotlight. Obama should show us that he has a backbone and that democracy is worth saving.
If this is too complex for the NYT it is not to Progressives.
Trump is obviously unfit, unstable, and dangerous and he may have taken office as a result of crimes committed by his minions with his Russian Paramour Putin, Trump may be illegitimate. Clinton was wronged. She should sue everyone she can and stay out of the spotlight. Obama should show us that he has a backbone and that democracy is worth saving.
If this is too complex for the NYT it is not to Progressives.
President Trump lacks the polish and smoothness of ideal president. But whether you like or dislike him, he's managed to keep a number of promises (outcome to be determined), within 100 days, far exceeding expectations.
Ex-candidate Hillary, has smoothness and little else. She had an unclear message. Her campaign's (and maybe she knew about) collusions with the press (including the NYT) and the DNC were disgusting and probably contained actions that were illegal.
Since the mainstream press (including the NYT) will never be able to give PDT a fair shake, they have been marginalized as being the "go-to" sources for information. Since the Democrats can't stop making purity tests for it's members, they are losing support among the persuadable masses that were not excited about either Hillary or Trump. And since the globalists/elite/open-borders crew are losing the war on bad policies they've forced down the US's (and many Western nations') throats, they are panicking that the unwashed horde of plebeians aren't buying their bullying nonsense anymore.
So it's not PDT stuck in time, it's Hillary, the Democrats, mainstream media, and the globalists/elite/open borders crew that are adrift, and stuck in time, thinking that the same tricks they used in the past are going to work again. And that is called madness.
Ex-candidate Hillary, has smoothness and little else. She had an unclear message. Her campaign's (and maybe she knew about) collusions with the press (including the NYT) and the DNC were disgusting and probably contained actions that were illegal.
Since the mainstream press (including the NYT) will never be able to give PDT a fair shake, they have been marginalized as being the "go-to" sources for information. Since the Democrats can't stop making purity tests for it's members, they are losing support among the persuadable masses that were not excited about either Hillary or Trump. And since the globalists/elite/open-borders crew are losing the war on bad policies they've forced down the US's (and many Western nations') throats, they are panicking that the unwashed horde of plebeians aren't buying their bullying nonsense anymore.
So it's not PDT stuck in time, it's Hillary, the Democrats, mainstream media, and the globalists/elite/open borders crew that are adrift, and stuck in time, thinking that the same tricks they used in the past are going to work again. And that is called madness.
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Just tell truth to power!
Pride is powerful. Fraud is ferocious. Reliving the election is not unreasonable considering the unique, disruptive circumstances that created the outcome. The liar trump will forever seek validation and not get it. He is a harmful aberration, nothing more. Hillary didn't lose. America did. Until next time.
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This is well said. Thank you, NYTimes.
I hope they both read it. Unfortunately, Clinton and Trump have huge egos and both are behaving like children.
I hope they both read it. Unfortunately, Clinton and Trump have huge egos and both are behaving like children.
You say you want the country to heal but how can it with Trump as president. Given who he is, what he has done so far in terms of appointments and executive orders, and what he still wants to accomplish, he will never represent me and I will never accept him as president. We need to battle him in every way possible until he is voted out or removed from office. He is a plague on our land.
This is the classic false equivalence editorial. Clinton in one interview was asked specific questions, and she responded honestly. I saw no baiting from Ms. Clinton.
Trump on the other hand.....
Trump on the other hand.....
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ABSOLUTELY NOT! It is not time to heal and move on. The results of this illegitimate election should never be accepted and the lessons should never be forgotten. Not only were we invaded by a hostile power which through dishonorable tactics managed to hoodwink a large and mentally weak portion of the electorate, but they succeed in bringing to power a man who's only interest is to retrace history and destroy what should be the proud product of 200 years of the painful but fruitful social evolution of our country.
This administration is the enemy of the American people and should be fought on every level. We must NOT move on until this wrong is righted!
This administration is the enemy of the American people and should be fought on every level. We must NOT move on until this wrong is righted!
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I'm not sure so-called "healing" is what we need right now. Continued alertness and activism seem the wiser course.
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I agree with the comments below. This is the most sickening editorial I have read on the aftermath of the election. It is a continuation of exactly the journalism that helped get Trump elected while pretending to hold him to account. Once again, there is the false equivalence between Trump and Hillary that gave him legitimacy before the election. Only now it's being used to give him legitimacy after the election. Trump continues to stoke hatred against Hillary after the election- what other president has ever done this to the candidate they defeated? Hillary's criticisms of Trump's foreign policy as well as her speculations about why she lost are opinions shared by many authorities including your own columnists. Why do you continue to set the ethical bar so high for Hillary and so low for Trump?
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"Nothing in recent history can match the sorry spectacle of a sitting president so desperate for adoration and so indifferent to actual governing that the only satisfaction he can get is from perpetuating the campaign."
That nails it. What is wrong with us????
That nails it. What is wrong with us????
Thank you for finally coming to the astute conclusion that Mr. Sanders was by far the most ethical and presidential of ALL the candidates from ALL parties. Nearly two years too late...but, better late than never. Here's hoping you truly recognize this fact and will do better in the future.
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It's too easy for a Sanders to spout ideals without having the responsibility of governing. Who could disagree with free college tuition? This however doesn't make him more "ethical." It just makes him unrealistic.
Most curious. I saw nothing in this editorial about Sanders. Silly me, I had assumed that if Sanders had been the best he would have won his primary and the general elections. As I recall he won neither. Aside from its flaw of omitting Sanders I thought the piece excellent. Trump's stupidity was unsurprising, but I thought Clinton was smarter. Maybe if she were she would have both.
DH:
No, free college tuition is not unrealistic, it is the norm in several other countries, most notably Germany, which is running a neutral budget and at times a surplus!
Why?
Because having a highly educated workforce makes for a competitive economy. An economy Trump wants to PUNISH with selective import taxes, because he wants to make the US a third world standard banana republic. Like every dictator in a failed state, having the people hang on to the fringes of their livelihoods instills them with fear and he positions himself as the only one who can protect them. He will only damage the US. The rest of the world will turn its back on us and arguably may be better off for it.
Bernie had idealistic ideas, but he would not have stood in the way of Congress and vetoed sensible legislation only to hang on to his utopia. He was charting out what we should strive for, not necessarily what the country was ready for.
I can't wait for this nightmare to end!
No, free college tuition is not unrealistic, it is the norm in several other countries, most notably Germany, which is running a neutral budget and at times a surplus!
Why?
Because having a highly educated workforce makes for a competitive economy. An economy Trump wants to PUNISH with selective import taxes, because he wants to make the US a third world standard banana republic. Like every dictator in a failed state, having the people hang on to the fringes of their livelihoods instills them with fear and he positions himself as the only one who can protect them. He will only damage the US. The rest of the world will turn its back on us and arguably may be better off for it.
Bernie had idealistic ideas, but he would not have stood in the way of Congress and vetoed sensible legislation only to hang on to his utopia. He was charting out what we should strive for, not necessarily what the country was ready for.
I can't wait for this nightmare to end!
Donald Trump still fears that his presidency will be exposed as being illegitimate and illegally obtained. Hillary still believes it too and fiercely clings to her charges that Comey's actions and the actions of the Russians, not her own, cost her the electron.
Donald ran a campaign filled with venom and vitriol. He appealed to people that he knew believed they were abandoned by the Democratic party. Hillary ran because she believed she was the most qualified and because she believed that the nation wanted and was ready for a woman to be president. She never understood her own shortcomings. She never connected with the people who could have put her in office. Instead she put voters off.
Both Hillary and Trump are greatly flawed. Neither was (is) desirable. In fact many people loathed both of them.
Yesterday we learned that Hillary is writing a book seeking to explain her loss and seeking absolution for her sins. She still believes that the people really want her to run. In the meantime Mr. Trump continues to operate in campaign mode to justify his ascension to the office.
Neither Trump nor Hillary understand nor really care about what the nation and our people truly need or want.
Trump's presidency will end in less than four years if he even makes it that far. He will be his own undoing. Hillary's future is already written despite the threat of her new book that begs forgiveness for her sins.
There will be a real candidate in 2020. We hope.
Donald ran a campaign filled with venom and vitriol. He appealed to people that he knew believed they were abandoned by the Democratic party. Hillary ran because she believed she was the most qualified and because she believed that the nation wanted and was ready for a woman to be president. She never understood her own shortcomings. She never connected with the people who could have put her in office. Instead she put voters off.
Both Hillary and Trump are greatly flawed. Neither was (is) desirable. In fact many people loathed both of them.
Yesterday we learned that Hillary is writing a book seeking to explain her loss and seeking absolution for her sins. She still believes that the people really want her to run. In the meantime Mr. Trump continues to operate in campaign mode to justify his ascension to the office.
Neither Trump nor Hillary understand nor really care about what the nation and our people truly need or want.
Trump's presidency will end in less than four years if he even makes it that far. He will be his own undoing. Hillary's future is already written despite the threat of her new book that begs forgiveness for her sins.
There will be a real candidate in 2020. We hope.
What else can one expect from polarized politics where a middle ground does not exist. Trump is spending his time tearing down the pillars of our society and everything that once made America great, only to leave it to the next enlightened president to rebuild at great expense and more debt to our nation.
Let's not forget that the debt went from $ 4 trillion and a budget SURPLUS under Clinton to 10 trillion and a massive deficit under Bush, resulting in a financial meltdown and the need to rebuild - at the expense of another $ 10 trillion - under Obama. Now we are having Trump lay waste to the social and environmental fabric of this once great country. It will take another $ 20 trillion to reverse that again.
How long can we continue like this?
Until we look like Venezuela????
Let's not forget that the debt went from $ 4 trillion and a budget SURPLUS under Clinton to 10 trillion and a massive deficit under Bush, resulting in a financial meltdown and the need to rebuild - at the expense of another $ 10 trillion - under Obama. Now we are having Trump lay waste to the social and environmental fabric of this once great country. It will take another $ 20 trillion to reverse that again.
How long can we continue like this?
Until we look like Venezuela????
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The 2016 campaign seemed to go on forever; the outcome was disastrous. But it is over. I hope HRC takes this message to heart and head. If she wants to play a role as a leader of the Democratic Party, she might take some time to recover, get her bearings, and really see what's going on across the country. Being part of the resistance is not enough. We need to fight for the values, ideas and policies that have been the hallmark of the Democratic Party at its best - which includes addressing the deep economic inequality that plagues our country, the very basic needs for access to education, health care, and work, which is the pressing need of millions of our fellow citizens, and the deep-rooted crisis of policing and incarceration.
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Only HRC?
It appears, in Mr. Trump's mind, he "won" the presidency without the consequences of "being" the president.
Mrs. Clinton's career has been focused on being the groundbreaking "woman in command." Because she again failed to grab that ring, all she has left is to attack the one who kept it from her.
Sounds Shakespearean, or maybe fodder for high opera; it ain't no way to run a country.
Mrs. Clinton's career has been focused on being the groundbreaking "woman in command." Because she again failed to grab that ring, all she has left is to attack the one who kept it from her.
Sounds Shakespearean, or maybe fodder for high opera; it ain't no way to run a country.
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Harry, I wouldn't put it quite that way. I don't think Mrs. Clinton's wish was to become a "woman in command." I think her wish was to protect our country from the storm of destruction we are now experiencing.
Let's remember Boudica or Joan of Arc. They didn't go into battle to prove something or other about women. They went into battle to save their countries.
That's what Mrs. Clinton wanted to do.
Let's remember Boudica or Joan of Arc. They didn't go into battle to prove something or other about women. They went into battle to save their countries.
That's what Mrs. Clinton wanted to do.
Of course the NY Times referring to her as a flawed candidate every time they mentioned her name didn't help. Nor equating the not illegal use of a private email server with Trump's disgusting behavior toward women, refusing to release his health records or income taxes. The false equivalence of the reporting certainly had a part to play in the election results.
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Superb! Thanks Daphne, you hit the nail on the head. The GOP and their dog used the "flawed" line in many variations over and over. This wasn't news and it shouldn't have been used.
The facts behind Trump's* election are of major importance and they cannot be swept aside. There is no doubt at all in my mind that the false equivalencies of the NY Times have played a negative role in the current demolition of the best aspects of America. The fact that all articles that included any mention of Trump* was illustrated with a picture of him made me sick and still does.
The facts behind Trump's* election are of major importance and they cannot be swept aside. There is no doubt at all in my mind that the false equivalencies of the NY Times have played a negative role in the current demolition of the best aspects of America. The fact that all articles that included any mention of Trump* was illustrated with a picture of him made me sick and still does.
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DJT owns WH because of a failed Electoral College system. Its primary founding official purpose was to protect us from destructive incompetence and/or populous demagoguery that might be swallowed by enough voters to seal their own and their Nation's demise. Incompetence and demagoguery like DJT's.
DJT was and is clearly the least fit of the candidates in temperament, experience, reasoning power, associations, and commitment to higher principles and values we fought hard for and won through our evolution as a Nation. The EC should have protected us from the likes of DJT! In 2016 for many reasons/excuses it failed us and failed us spectacularly! It proved how worthless it is in practice today!
HRC for all her flaws would not be doing the damage DJT is doing/will do. I realize 42% of us willfully don't hold that opinion but 58% of us rationally do - and many of those grieve about what's happening.
Still it's that 58% that gives the 42% its voting majority. Too many of the 58% fail to vote and every vote counts! HRC lost the EC vote by about 150,000 total votes in States that "unexpectedly" flipped DJT's way. About 150K votes plunged us into darkness! More voters in those States probably would saved the day.
The 58% is under-represented in WH and vastly under represented in Congress. Why? EC - yup, gerry-mandering -yup, winner takes all system - yup, old-time slavery State protectionism -yup, etc. But mostly because we don't ALWAYS vote and vote seriously! VOTE!
DJT was and is clearly the least fit of the candidates in temperament, experience, reasoning power, associations, and commitment to higher principles and values we fought hard for and won through our evolution as a Nation. The EC should have protected us from the likes of DJT! In 2016 for many reasons/excuses it failed us and failed us spectacularly! It proved how worthless it is in practice today!
HRC for all her flaws would not be doing the damage DJT is doing/will do. I realize 42% of us willfully don't hold that opinion but 58% of us rationally do - and many of those grieve about what's happening.
Still it's that 58% that gives the 42% its voting majority. Too many of the 58% fail to vote and every vote counts! HRC lost the EC vote by about 150,000 total votes in States that "unexpectedly" flipped DJT's way. About 150K votes plunged us into darkness! More voters in those States probably would saved the day.
The 58% is under-represented in WH and vastly under represented in Congress. Why? EC - yup, gerry-mandering -yup, winner takes all system - yup, old-time slavery State protectionism -yup, etc. But mostly because we don't ALWAYS vote and vote seriously! VOTE!
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This was an exceptionally astute editorial. Sadly, the more astute the observations, the more dire the future of our country.
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"....sorry spectacle of a sitting president...". This "president" has done nothing more than use his office as a platform to show the world his "greatness" and to continue his self-dealing, again at the expense of the office.
I did not support Mr. Trump, however, I did have an expectation he would move on, govern as he should and attempt to unify and heal the country. Sadly, none of that materialized. He, the "president" continues to fracture the country rather than heal and treat the office of the executive rather than as our President, but as a reality TV show star. Sad.
I did not support Mr. Trump, however, I did have an expectation he would move on, govern as he should and attempt to unify and heal the country. Sadly, none of that materialized. He, the "president" continues to fracture the country rather than heal and treat the office of the executive rather than as our President, but as a reality TV show star. Sad.
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Trump and Clinton are the symptoms of our gravely ill political system. The cure can only come from the citizens who need to engage themselves for the values of our democracy: fairness, justice and equal opportunity. But even a healthy civil and democratic society will not survive until we actually face what ills the planet: climate change. Western countries are guilty of the potentially biggest mass extinction in world history. And eventually we will take down the planet, including ourselves. Right now we rearrange the deck chairs on the titanic and ask the band to up the volume, so we do not hear the creaking and crashing sounds of the sinking ship.
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Trump either cannot read, or does not read. 100% of his world view and mental landscape is formed by watching TV and in brief conversations with people, such as ten minutes with Xi Jinping.
Why is he stuck in the election? TV is a live entertainment medium, and it loves a good debate or spectacle. Without that, Trump knows nothing and has nothing to say.
Why is he stuck in the election? TV is a live entertainment medium, and it loves a good debate or spectacle. Without that, Trump knows nothing and has nothing to say.
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Or perhaps voters chose Trump's pro-America campaign over Obama/Clinton's pro-world policies? Perhaps Hillary was not such a bad candidate, rather the Democrats didn't have the right message and priorities? Just a thought.
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Pro America? Well maybe half of it. The GOP hates women.
Clinton's offer to be Trump's twitter "diversion" is actually a pretty noble thing to say, though this Editorial strains hard to make it seem ignoble. Moreover, Clinton does not "bait" anyone: she merely answers reporters' questions. In fact, this whole Editorial is a strained attempt to create a false equivalence, and plays right into the Trump/GOP narrative. More importantly, there has been a marked decline in the quality and thoughtfulness of NYT Editorials in the last month. They've become more reactive, more hysterical, more illogical. They increasingly have the crude tone of New York Post editorials. It reflects very poorly on the Times. One would think that there has been a personnel turnover in the Editorial department - perhaps in favor of younger, rasher thinkers - and one would hope cooler, wiser heads return to the department.
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No, Hillary just can't bear not getting attention anymore. She's as hungry for adulation and attention as Trump is.
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When McConnell said that the job was to ensure that Obama was a one-term president, the GOP was deemed racist and obstructionist, and this statement was oft repeated in the heat of political argument. Now we have The Resistance. The double standard is showing.
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Goodness, has the NYTimes editorial board been taken over by Berniebots?
You're right about DT, of course, he harps non-stop on his alternative facts about the election.
But Hillary? She was asked a question about the election and she answered it. She also discussed a host of other issues when asked about those. Does the NYTimes' seriously believe the Comey letter had zero effect on the election results? And that the extensive Russian hacking and trolling efforts, specific elements of which were telegraphed in advance by DT and his surrogates, were ineffective as well? And that misogyny is a figment of Hillary's imagination and played no role in the election coverage and outcome?
Very little of what Hillary has done since November 8 has centered on the election. Among other things, she has supported the post-inauguration Women's March, citizen efforts to protect Obamacare and the Resistance generally, politicians who have opposed DT's nominees, the courts' and activists' role in halting DT's unconstitutional Muslim ban, the activists and journalists working toward Colombia's peace efforts, and women's rights across the board, with a special focus on ways to widen opportunities for girls.
Hillary is, rightly, focused on the problems our country and the world face with DT in the White House, how to mitigate the worst of his actions, and how to end his sojourn there -- aims she shares with tens of millions across the land.
You're right about DT, of course, he harps non-stop on his alternative facts about the election.
But Hillary? She was asked a question about the election and she answered it. She also discussed a host of other issues when asked about those. Does the NYTimes' seriously believe the Comey letter had zero effect on the election results? And that the extensive Russian hacking and trolling efforts, specific elements of which were telegraphed in advance by DT and his surrogates, were ineffective as well? And that misogyny is a figment of Hillary's imagination and played no role in the election coverage and outcome?
Very little of what Hillary has done since November 8 has centered on the election. Among other things, she has supported the post-inauguration Women's March, citizen efforts to protect Obamacare and the Resistance generally, politicians who have opposed DT's nominees, the courts' and activists' role in halting DT's unconstitutional Muslim ban, the activists and journalists working toward Colombia's peace efforts, and women's rights across the board, with a special focus on ways to widen opportunities for girls.
Hillary is, rightly, focused on the problems our country and the world face with DT in the White House, how to mitigate the worst of his actions, and how to end his sojourn there -- aims she shares with tens of millions across the land.
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if Mr. Trump is President, we have seen no signs of that. He might be president of his base but not the leader of "all" of us, much less the free world.
Mrs. Clinton needs to move on. She has much to offer and is wasting her time and talents on rehashing the campaign.
The country is waiting.
Mrs. Clinton needs to move on. She has much to offer and is wasting her time and talents on rehashing the campaign.
The country is waiting.
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To be fair, people will be trying to understand the complexities of this upset election for decades to come. Even the principals may struggle to let it go. But strongly argued editorial. I will no longer be taking the bait on social media to refight 2016.
Just yesterday, I posted an article critical of Paul Ryan, and some guy tried to go there. Done.
Just yesterday, I posted an article critical of Paul Ryan, and some guy tried to go there. Done.
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It's really, really time for Clinton to retire. If the Dems are going to be successful, they have to jettison the arranged marriage with Clinton and find a new partner, a new leader and a renewed focus on what matters to people - jobs, healthcare and education. Clinton is old news and she needs to gracefully exit stage right if we are going to move on.
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Hillary Clinton does the Democratic Party a tremendous disservice when she says she'll join the Resistance. If she continues speaking out, she'll inevitably be depicted as the face of the Democratic Party--and you need read no further than Trump leading a rally in a Lock Her Up chant to know what a highly kickable face she has, at this point.
It would help if the face of the Democratic Party were not one that audiences are trained to reflexively kick and disrespect. Hillary has had her chances and she blew them. Please please please Hillary: GIve the Democratic Party the gift of your RETIREMENT! We need young faces, fresh ideas--not the tired old warhorse that will carry its rider, the Democratic Party, further down the trail of self destruction.
It would help if the face of the Democratic Party were not one that audiences are trained to reflexively kick and disrespect. Hillary has had her chances and she blew them. Please please please Hillary: GIve the Democratic Party the gift of your RETIREMENT! We need young faces, fresh ideas--not the tired old warhorse that will carry its rider, the Democratic Party, further down the trail of self destruction.
Sorry but your editorial exemplifies the false equivalency narrative that so captured you last year. It is repulsive to compare her behavior to that of the Con Artist in Chief who just spent the last few days lying through his teeth about the wonders of NoCare. As always the dainty NY Times holds women to an entirely different standard than family of kleptocrats and their camp followers who are now running this country..
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One thing to be said in favor of Trump: He IS making America Grate! And he is very skilled at the task........
This nest of lies and broken promises country is still mired in slavery, and it is getting more obnoxiously stupid about it every day.
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A short way to say it would be: Trump and H Clinton grow up!
Clinton ran an excellent campaign. Her biggest error was the onestatement that was about the nature of many who support Trump ("basket of deplorables") instead of focusing on the candidate. That probably was enough to lose the votes she needed most.
Something doesn't ring true in this editorial. Trump and Clinton are not equivalent. Yes, she has her faults, and perhaps she'd be wise to stop licking her wounds in public. It's somewhat unbecoming. But compared to Trump, she's on a so much higher plain as a human, albeit a flawed one, that this critique hits an altogether false note. It's fair to no one to compare Trump to anyone.
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Certainly the recent comments by Hillary Clinton reinforce the perception that she lacks character & and would have been a poor President.. --Hopefully Democrats can come up with a better candidate next time.
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"A generous foe beholds with pitying eye
The man whom fate has laid where all must lie."
Okay, I know--our late presidential contest was not--a gladiatorial fight. The defeated candidate did not lie bleeding on the sands of a Roman arena while her victor turned exultantly to the cheering throngs. Thumbs down! "Kill! Kill! Finish her off!"
Or should I say--"Lock her up!" Comes down to the same thing. Two things:
(1) I am still hurting for Mrs. Clinton. Yes. I know she brought "baggage" with her. Unanswered questions. A certain ingrained wariness--a want of candor. This and that. Still . . . . .
. . . .in spite of everything, I think she ran an extraordinarily decent, forthright campaign. "When they go low," she cried, "let us go high." And with all my heart, I say--for all your errors and miscalculations, Mrs. Clinton . . . .
. . . .you did. You really did. Thank you.
As for Mr. Trump--read the two lines at the top. (From a poem by Dr. Johnson). Oh that this man had generosity! Oh that the flash of decent feeling he showed during his victory speech had turned into a bright steady blaze! Instead of which . . . .well. . . .you know what the man says. We all do.
Pray for the President. He needs our prayers. We all do.
The man whom fate has laid where all must lie."
Okay, I know--our late presidential contest was not--a gladiatorial fight. The defeated candidate did not lie bleeding on the sands of a Roman arena while her victor turned exultantly to the cheering throngs. Thumbs down! "Kill! Kill! Finish her off!"
Or should I say--"Lock her up!" Comes down to the same thing. Two things:
(1) I am still hurting for Mrs. Clinton. Yes. I know she brought "baggage" with her. Unanswered questions. A certain ingrained wariness--a want of candor. This and that. Still . . . . .
. . . .in spite of everything, I think she ran an extraordinarily decent, forthright campaign. "When they go low," she cried, "let us go high." And with all my heart, I say--for all your errors and miscalculations, Mrs. Clinton . . . .
. . . .you did. You really did. Thank you.
As for Mr. Trump--read the two lines at the top. (From a poem by Dr. Johnson). Oh that this man had generosity! Oh that the flash of decent feeling he showed during his victory speech had turned into a bright steady blaze! Instead of which . . . .well. . . .you know what the man says. We all do.
Pray for the President. He needs our prayers. We all do.
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Worst editorial I have ever read. Period
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Bosh on your false equivalence. This weeks first real interview that Hillary has given since the election showed that she is a Stateswomen of stature. She not only can speak in complete sentences and parse complex issues. She took full responsibility for losing.
Compare that to the child like preening of Trumpolini who has yet to figure out policy and staffing let alone nuance. And most certainly does not act like a minority president who did not in fact win the popular vote but embraces the far right reactionarys ideas that will never gather popular support.
As for Comey. His chest thumping denial in front of the Senate Judiciary committee was an obvious attempt to distract folks from the fact that he violated every ethical, protocol, and DOJ directive in his letter to the rabid congressional over site committee to in fact try to throw the election. His guilt was pretty plain to anyone who watched.
This attempt to tar and feather a great American is far beneath the usual fact driven comments from the Editorial Board. Very disappointing.
Compare that to the child like preening of Trumpolini who has yet to figure out policy and staffing let alone nuance. And most certainly does not act like a minority president who did not in fact win the popular vote but embraces the far right reactionarys ideas that will never gather popular support.
As for Comey. His chest thumping denial in front of the Senate Judiciary committee was an obvious attempt to distract folks from the fact that he violated every ethical, protocol, and DOJ directive in his letter to the rabid congressional over site committee to in fact try to throw the election. His guilt was pretty plain to anyone who watched.
This attempt to tar and feather a great American is far beneath the usual fact driven comments from the Editorial Board. Very disappointing.
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Simply..."President" D.J. Trump does not know enough to Care...or care
enough to Know. After 100 days of his "Reign", we are being Led by his
Ongoing Pathology. 24/7...He is cultivating his primary occupation:
Being the chronic Center of Attention. (Our CEO is the COA).
enough to Know. After 100 days of his "Reign", we are being Led by his
Ongoing Pathology. 24/7...He is cultivating his primary occupation:
Being the chronic Center of Attention. (Our CEO is the COA).
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Trump won't stop his rallies, he needs applause too desperately. At MaraLago his paying members stand & applaud when he walks through--it would be hilarious if he weren't CiC.
Mrs Clinton needs to go against instinct and study why neoliberal economic policies have brought the EU and us to this place where farages, lepens, trumps can gain such a toehold.
Then she can maybe help the Democratic Party move forward. Some things taken for granted need to be completely re-thought by the party.
Mrs Clinton needs to go against instinct and study why neoliberal economic policies have brought the EU and us to this place where farages, lepens, trumps can gain such a toehold.
Then she can maybe help the Democratic Party move forward. Some things taken for granted need to be completely re-thought by the party.
One step forward by the Times, one step back.
A step forward: at least the Times is finally admitting that Russia didn't "hack the election" and that Hillary lost because, as even her own advisers now admit, she was a dreadful candidate lacking in any of the attributes of a leader: no vision, no charisma or force of personality, no strategic acumen.
A step backward: the Times continues to let its Trump-fear / Trump-loathing override its commitment to facts and truth. It is objectively false to state that President Trump has "no concrete accomplishments to boast about, and nothing meaningful to offer the working people to whom he promised jobs and a revived industrial America."
In short order, as a direct result of Trump's policies and his warnings, illegal immigration from Mexico has declined to its lowest level in more than a decade. That is an extraordinary turnaround. Not in 30 years have the American citizenry actually seen a president actually have a meaningful impact on this national scourge.
Obsessed with identity politics, the Times editors and writers of course don't see it as such: they deliberately conflate legal and illegal immigration and treat their readers to a stream of ridiculous sob stories about illegal aliens, replete with made-up Orwellian terms, fibs, and absurd analogies.
On this issue - the signature issue of Trump's candidacy, the reason he was elected - the Times has failed.
You are making Trump's re-election more likely. Please stop lying.
A step forward: at least the Times is finally admitting that Russia didn't "hack the election" and that Hillary lost because, as even her own advisers now admit, she was a dreadful candidate lacking in any of the attributes of a leader: no vision, no charisma or force of personality, no strategic acumen.
A step backward: the Times continues to let its Trump-fear / Trump-loathing override its commitment to facts and truth. It is objectively false to state that President Trump has "no concrete accomplishments to boast about, and nothing meaningful to offer the working people to whom he promised jobs and a revived industrial America."
In short order, as a direct result of Trump's policies and his warnings, illegal immigration from Mexico has declined to its lowest level in more than a decade. That is an extraordinary turnaround. Not in 30 years have the American citizenry actually seen a president actually have a meaningful impact on this national scourge.
Obsessed with identity politics, the Times editors and writers of course don't see it as such: they deliberately conflate legal and illegal immigration and treat their readers to a stream of ridiculous sob stories about illegal aliens, replete with made-up Orwellian terms, fibs, and absurd analogies.
On this issue - the signature issue of Trump's candidacy, the reason he was elected - the Times has failed.
You are making Trump's re-election more likely. Please stop lying.
Nobody seems to get it.
Ms. Clinton may have lost this round but, as is obvious to me, is starting her 2020 run for the Oval Office.
What it boils down to is:
a. Four more years of the "Big Bird" tweeting
b. Four more years of "press coverage" of every word Ms. Clinton mutters
c. Four more years of "Polling Predictions" which are always SO accurate
d. Another four years of 1/3 of the electorate "tuning out" of all this election babble and not bothering to vote at all.
As for "reconciliation" between the two groups? As your column pointed out, they're still yelling "lock her up" at "Twitler"s rallies instead of asking him about all those "promises" he made and Clinton is rehashing the past to be sure her name is still recognizable in 2020.
A fine example of "insanity" wherein one does the same thing over and over yet expects different results.
Ms. Clinton may have lost this round but, as is obvious to me, is starting her 2020 run for the Oval Office.
What it boils down to is:
a. Four more years of the "Big Bird" tweeting
b. Four more years of "press coverage" of every word Ms. Clinton mutters
c. Four more years of "Polling Predictions" which are always SO accurate
d. Another four years of 1/3 of the electorate "tuning out" of all this election babble and not bothering to vote at all.
As for "reconciliation" between the two groups? As your column pointed out, they're still yelling "lock her up" at "Twitler"s rallies instead of asking him about all those "promises" he made and Clinton is rehashing the past to be sure her name is still recognizable in 2020.
A fine example of "insanity" wherein one does the same thing over and over yet expects different results.
the times is doing the same thing...read what you wrote, still bashing trump and promoting H(R)C...whose "aspirations" have already been represented, revealed though the thin fabric of her rhetoric "stronger together" while "generalistically" preaching division, madame defarging bernie sanders and winking at wall street.
no fan or voter of/for trump here, but the slanted vision of the times is maybe scarier than trump...we're stuck with the times, of you will, but we can dis-elect trump, starting with getting the house back in '18 but, if the times persists in its petty pouting instead of platform grade analysis and cogent (fallacy free) policy argument, it will do more harm (energize the trump base) than good (see cogent, etc., above).
no fan or voter of/for trump here, but the slanted vision of the times is maybe scarier than trump...we're stuck with the times, of you will, but we can dis-elect trump, starting with getting the house back in '18 but, if the times persists in its petty pouting instead of platform grade analysis and cogent (fallacy free) policy argument, it will do more harm (energize the trump base) than good (see cogent, etc., above).
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The NYT editorial board has a bad case of Both-siderism. This is a widespread disease in the media. Maybe they think it will optimize the number of people who will read their op-ed page or, indeed, any part of their paper, but otherwise it is completely cracked notion. Clinton is not the problem here, neither are the Democrats, or the left, or the progressives, or any shade of liberal or Dirty Hippies. What is of national importance is that there is a severe narcissist who is a fraud and a con man in the White House, whose personal and business dealings with foreign governments is appalling, whose hate filled rhetoric has been and continues to rip the nation apart. Focus, NYT, focus. For god's sake, focus. Bothsiderism makes you look like blithering idiots.
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You can't drive a car looking out your rear view mirror, even if you knew how to drive a car.
"What's the point?" The point is the election was stolen. That's the big story and still unreported, because the FBI and the committees haven't finished their obfuscations--I mean deliberations. And the press is busy licking up the mess.
As in the campaign, Clinton can do no right and her opinion is just fodder for criticism, not consideration. Even now, her version of events, her efforts to prepare for and win the office, her take on what happened, is just defensive. So goes the narrative. So goes the nation.
As in the campaign, Clinton can do no right and her opinion is just fodder for criticism, not consideration. Even now, her version of events, her efforts to prepare for and win the office, her take on what happened, is just defensive. So goes the narrative. So goes the nation.
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If I read one more BS story like this alleging the false equivalence between Trump and Clinton, I'm going to put a bullet in my head. Clinton has her well documented faults and made many missteps in the campaign, no question. But she's a talented professional, more than qualified to be president. Trump is a liar, a fraud, a con man, a baby, a bully, a possible treasonous criminal, a used car salesman of epic proportions worthy of the deepest contempt. He should be horsewhipped in jail for what he put Clinton through, and removed from office by whatever legal means necessary as soon as possible. There is no equivalence between the two. Clinton is a Mercedes, Trump is an Edsel.
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You think Hillary is keeping this civil war between the civil and the uncivil going? You are delusional. We, the resistance, are pissed, and we're going to stay pissed until we get this country out of the hands of lunatics and out from under the influence of anti-democratic forces like the Russians and the Republican party.
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Worse election choices ever. Felt like I was gnawing my leg off and still didn't escape the trap. This president needs impeaching for having sold us to the Russians, for his graft and his insanity. Who cares now what her uncrowned majesty thinks about anything. May the heavens which do not exist preserve us.
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A goodly part of the problem here is described by the operative words: "Senate-confirmed." The Senate has no business in determining which people the President chooses to run the sitting Administration.
The Senate is another vestige and anachronism that has only served to slow down and retard progressive government in the United States of America. As The Beatles once sang, "Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the United States Senate Chamber."
Presidents, especially this President, Trump, are elected by the People to do the People's business. The Senate only manages to obstruct the progress of the People's business.
The United States needs to do away with the Senate and with the House of Representatives and adopt a form of government that actually works, gets things done, runs and moves the nation along safely and successfully. Our current apparatus of government is useless.
The Senate is another vestige and anachronism that has only served to slow down and retard progressive government in the United States of America. As The Beatles once sang, "Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the United States Senate Chamber."
Presidents, especially this President, Trump, are elected by the People to do the People's business. The Senate only manages to obstruct the progress of the People's business.
The United States needs to do away with the Senate and with the House of Representatives and adopt a form of government that actually works, gets things done, runs and moves the nation along safely and successfully. Our current apparatus of government is useless.
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Hire a climate denier as a columnist, and then suggest we accept a vulgar, ignorant, racist liar as president. Really, NYT?
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Amidst all the craziness, I have searched for someone on the right who could speak intelligently on what really motivates those crazy people - from voters to the White House. If the NYT token GOP can make a case for the right, and make me any less afraid, I support him.
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You took the words out of my mouth.
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At least they provide this place. What is truly viral will proliferate.
What this shows is what many Americans felt about the two of them, none of the above. We were given a choice between two deeply disliked candidates.
I, for one, am entirely sick of voting for the lesser of two evils, but I did. Now, I want Her to go away. Slink off and lick your wounds. She can't even ask her followers to let go of the election, so they can focus on addressing the issues confronting us. (It really is bigger than glass ceilings and abortion.) Corruption and nepotism, gross incompetence, and juvenile behavior on the part of Trump - as bad as they are - are not a reason to cling to her failed campaign. We are sinking fast into total plutocracy with a despot wannabe in charge.
Hillary, Bernie suffered your distortions, cheap shots, manipulations, and disinformation. You are no virgin to the sins of campaigns. He has moved on and is working to elect Democrats from dog-catcher to senator. He inspires the young, the old, the dispossessed, the workers, the students, the idealists, and the wary of all races. Trump voters like him. Independents trust him. He treats everyone with respect, and he does not get sucked into pouting matches with the so-called president. See in him a model for grace in defeat and emulate it.
We have moved on. Time for you to do likewise.
I, for one, am entirely sick of voting for the lesser of two evils, but I did. Now, I want Her to go away. Slink off and lick your wounds. She can't even ask her followers to let go of the election, so they can focus on addressing the issues confronting us. (It really is bigger than glass ceilings and abortion.) Corruption and nepotism, gross incompetence, and juvenile behavior on the part of Trump - as bad as they are - are not a reason to cling to her failed campaign. We are sinking fast into total plutocracy with a despot wannabe in charge.
Hillary, Bernie suffered your distortions, cheap shots, manipulations, and disinformation. You are no virgin to the sins of campaigns. He has moved on and is working to elect Democrats from dog-catcher to senator. He inspires the young, the old, the dispossessed, the workers, the students, the idealists, and the wary of all races. Trump voters like him. Independents trust him. He treats everyone with respect, and he does not get sucked into pouting matches with the so-called president. See in him a model for grace in defeat and emulate it.
We have moved on. Time for you to do likewise.
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You are kidding right? Among those who need to graciously exit is Bernie Sanders who
Will never be president. If he is now a Democrat helping to build support for candidates at the much needed state and local level across the country - great! But he doesn't seem to be doing that.
Will never be president. If he is now a Democrat helping to build support for candidates at the much needed state and local level across the country - great! But he doesn't seem to be doing that.
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Obviously from your post Bernie voters have NOT moved on.
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Bernie is a model of grace in defeat??? Every time he lost a primary, Bernie claimed that it was the result of a rigged system just like Trump. He lost the Democratic primary by 3 million legitimate votes. He met with President Obama after getting trounced in California, and claimed that he suspected widespread voter fraud in that state with absolutely no evidence. He refused to concede for weeks even though it was clear that he lost. He only half-heartedly campaigned for Hillary even though we faced a Trump presidency. He pouted through Hillary's speech at the Democratic convention. Then he went on every talk show and gloated after she lost. So much for being a model of grace in defeat.
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In treating President Trump's and Secretary Clinton's post campaign rhetoric as equal, the Times glosses over one key point: one is the President of the United States and one is a private citizen.
If Clinton wants to be slightly aggrieved and reopen old wounds on a public speaking circuit, that's hardly equivalent to similar behavior by the leader of the free world.
The onus to 'act presidential' only falls to one person.
If Clinton wants to be slightly aggrieved and reopen old wounds on a public speaking circuit, that's hardly equivalent to similar behavior by the leader of the free world.
The onus to 'act presidential' only falls to one person.
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But that wouldn't be BALANCED, and we must have BALANCE, even if it means treating a relatively common practice with email as the equivalent of treasonously conniving with a foreign power to meddle with the election.
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The onus to act presidential is lost on the "president". His yuuuuuge goal is to have the most bigly ratings of any reality TV show, including the show he is currently staging.
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The Clinton's Foundation and political network, and mega money speeches have become the post presidential norm. Obama began building a political organization long before he left office, and has begun his cashing-in post presidential speaking career. We can look forward to a presidential library that will become a sort of "hub" for Chicago...a center for the focus of political influence.
Reagan made lots of money, but stayed out of politics. Carter has a foundation focused on international development issues. Both Bush presidents have stayed out of politics altogether and this speaks well of their antecedents.
The new post presidential model ensures issues and positions will become institutionalized and never finally resolved. The political process will move closer to anarchy, pushed along by greed and more hands grasping for the levers of power.
Reagan made lots of money, but stayed out of politics. Carter has a foundation focused on international development issues. Both Bush presidents have stayed out of politics altogether and this speaks well of their antecedents.
The new post presidential model ensures issues and positions will become institutionalized and never finally resolved. The political process will move closer to anarchy, pushed along by greed and more hands grasping for the levers of power.
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You are not fair to Mrs. Clinton.
Mrs. Clinton has joined the ranks of "they also ran" - and lost.
She has every right to look to the past, and especially if she is asked direct questions about the past. She is not the leader of the Democratic party expected to invigorate it.
Mr. Trump's responsibility is to present and future. He should leave the past to historians.
Mrs. Clinton has joined the ranks of "they also ran" - and lost.
She has every right to look to the past, and especially if she is asked direct questions about the past. She is not the leader of the Democratic party expected to invigorate it.
Mr. Trump's responsibility is to present and future. He should leave the past to historians.
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How many United States Presidents continued to hold "campaign rallies" when in office, but before actually running for re-election? I can think of a German chancellor who did, in the 1930's and early 40's. Jared Diamond's book "Collapse" is more prescient with each passing day!
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Perhaps it's a septuagenarian issue. Former candidates living in the past. That's why 18 year old voters didn't register to vote by last November. The United States needs a future and candidates with vision. Clinton and Trump's mudslinging diminished our country.
I must disagree with your comments about Mrs. Clinton. Her remark that it's better that she be the target of the President's inane tweets, rather than some hyper-sensitive dictator, is astute. As for her comments about Comey and Russians: she was pressed in an interview to suggest other factors, besides her own errors, that led to her Electoral College defeat. However, she was at pains to acknowledge her own shortcomings first.
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I am no fan of David Axelrod. But he had it right when he said, after Hillary Clinton’s latest, "It takes a lot of work to lose to Donald Trump. He was the least popular presidential candidate to win in the history of polling."
The Times and its readers, in the comments here and elsewhere, can indulge in beating up on Donald Trump. He gives them ample cause. However, but for Hillary Clinton there would be no President Trump. It was not just her campaign, detailed in Allen/Parnes “Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign.” It was the candidate herself—the scandals, the lies, the actions that demonstrated the overriding principle for Mrs. Clinton and her husband: Do what’s best for the Clintons.
Mrs. Clinton, in her latest, started with “I take full responsibility” and then took no responsibility. It was the Russians, it was James Comey, it was, whatever. David Axelrod answered, “Jim Comey didn’t tell her not to campaign in Wisconsin after the convention. Jim Comey didn’t say don't put any resources into Michigan until the final week of the campaign. And one of the things that hindered her in the campaign was a sense that she never fully was willing to take responsibility for her mistakes, particularly that server. She said the words I am responsible, but everything else suggested that she doesn’t feel that way”
There is no “false equivalence” in this editorial. Hillary Clinton is included to send her the message, stop giving ammunition to Donald Trump.
The Times and its readers, in the comments here and elsewhere, can indulge in beating up on Donald Trump. He gives them ample cause. However, but for Hillary Clinton there would be no President Trump. It was not just her campaign, detailed in Allen/Parnes “Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign.” It was the candidate herself—the scandals, the lies, the actions that demonstrated the overriding principle for Mrs. Clinton and her husband: Do what’s best for the Clintons.
Mrs. Clinton, in her latest, started with “I take full responsibility” and then took no responsibility. It was the Russians, it was James Comey, it was, whatever. David Axelrod answered, “Jim Comey didn’t tell her not to campaign in Wisconsin after the convention. Jim Comey didn’t say don't put any resources into Michigan until the final week of the campaign. And one of the things that hindered her in the campaign was a sense that she never fully was willing to take responsibility for her mistakes, particularly that server. She said the words I am responsible, but everything else suggested that she doesn’t feel that way”
There is no “false equivalence” in this editorial. Hillary Clinton is included to send her the message, stop giving ammunition to Donald Trump.
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"It was the candidate herself—the scandals, the lies, the actions that demonstrated the overriding principle for Mrs. Clinton and her husband: Do what’s best for the Clintons."
I find this very amusing. Did not Donald Trump have scandals (more numerous than Clinton's and all the other candidates put together). Did not Donald Trump lie (again--more numerous than Clinton and all the other candidates put together). Did he not demonstrate over and over again the overriding principle to do what is best for Donald Trump (and continues to do so while holding the office of president). So why would these things matter in regards to her but not to him?
You also mention her failure to campaign in and put money in certain states. Yet, Trump continually bragged about how little money he was spending on the campaign. And, why would he have to? Many of his rallies were covered live on TV by the cable stations.
I find this very amusing. Did not Donald Trump have scandals (more numerous than Clinton's and all the other candidates put together). Did not Donald Trump lie (again--more numerous than Clinton and all the other candidates put together). Did he not demonstrate over and over again the overriding principle to do what is best for Donald Trump (and continues to do so while holding the office of president). So why would these things matter in regards to her but not to him?
You also mention her failure to campaign in and put money in certain states. Yet, Trump continually bragged about how little money he was spending on the campaign. And, why would he have to? Many of his rallies were covered live on TV by the cable stations.
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If you think that the electorate are bothered by scandal and lies, you must not have noticed who won the election.
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The last paragraph really says it all. Isn't it time to finally admit that Trump is the duly elected President of the United States and Hillary Clinton has to acknowledge that it's time to move on to something else?? It's also time for the bloggers to stop indulging in wild fantasies about Trump's imminent impeachment or the 25th Amendment to the Constitution will be enacted. That's not going to happen anytime soon. Also, please drop the outdated 100 day benchmark as some artificial yardstick of the president's performance thus far. Even FDR couldn't get everything done in 100 days. His signature legislation, the Social Security Act, didn't become law until August, 1935, a year and a half after he was elected!!
I'm glad to see that the Times is coming out of its long denial phase by actually publishing that Donald Trump is the President of the United States. It's a step the right direction.
I'm glad to see that the Times is coming out of its long denial phase by actually publishing that Donald Trump is the President of the United States. It's a step the right direction.
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It would be a step in the right direction if the so-called President stopped acting like a toddler.
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Yes, he's the President. He also displays his disastrous incompetence, colossal ignorance and cynical greed constantly, and has already created so much chaos that there's serious reason to wonder whether the nation can survive four years of this. Does it bother you at all that he's shoveling tax dollars into his private accounts in broad daylight (every time he stays at one of his own resorts and sends the bill to the taxpayers), hustles bribes through his D.C. hotel and his in-laws who are busy selling special visas to Chinese businesses? That he's brazenly engaging in conflict of interest, violating his promise to reveal his tax returns, and basically daring people to do anything about it? He got his "Presidency" the way Marine LePen is about to get hers -- bought and paid for with rubles. This is not a normal situation and we should not tolerate it.
We are all aware that Trump is president. We are also aware of the great damage that he can cause (and is causing), particularly in terms of our environment, climate, and health care. Also in terms of diplomacy. And because I am aware of that, I'm going to participate in trying to stop the worst of his actions.
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Neither Trump nor Clinton could have asked for a better opponent to run against than each other last year. And that hasn't changed.
There is an allusion in Clinton's comments to a possibility that has received little, if any, attention. Was the chemical attack and the missile response in Syria orchestrated to make election collusion appear unlikely? As noted in The Times podcast, The Daily, Trump himself did not condemn Russia. He left it to Haley and Tillerson. How better to draw scrutiny away than to make it seem that we are in a "low point" of relations with Russia? This possibility may seem to far fetched, but stranger devious productions have happened between countries and presidents in the past.
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The healing arts of much of the world equate healing with restoring balance. The body is susceptible to disease when it is out of balance and the body politic ceases to function as it should when it is out of balance.
The fissures of our society run much deeper than constant spats over the election. They are more symptoms than cause. Voters cling to these symbols just as fervently as the former candidates do because they, like the candidates are continually steered away from deeper causes and necessary solutions.
Inequality in America reflects our inability to function as a democracy. This is one glaring symptom of our national disease, but there are others. We have thrown our environment out of balance and are paying an increasing price every day. We have created a social environment of winners and losers, not a collective 'us'. We have abandoned our children, while claiming our devotion to them. We have lost the capacity for moral reasoning and instead worship our 'pragmatism'.
We have in essence lost touch with our collective self, believing that a nation is simply the sum of its parts, no matter how flawed and broken they may be. The healing we need goes well beyond the last presidential campaign. While some insight and leadership from the former candates might contribute to this effort,the lack of their capacity to provide that guidance is a mear example of our national dilemma. What we need is a spiritual healing and leaders to guide us in that direction.
The fissures of our society run much deeper than constant spats over the election. They are more symptoms than cause. Voters cling to these symbols just as fervently as the former candidates do because they, like the candidates are continually steered away from deeper causes and necessary solutions.
Inequality in America reflects our inability to function as a democracy. This is one glaring symptom of our national disease, but there are others. We have thrown our environment out of balance and are paying an increasing price every day. We have created a social environment of winners and losers, not a collective 'us'. We have abandoned our children, while claiming our devotion to them. We have lost the capacity for moral reasoning and instead worship our 'pragmatism'.
We have in essence lost touch with our collective self, believing that a nation is simply the sum of its parts, no matter how flawed and broken they may be. The healing we need goes well beyond the last presidential campaign. While some insight and leadership from the former candates might contribute to this effort,the lack of their capacity to provide that guidance is a mear example of our national dilemma. What we need is a spiritual healing and leaders to guide us in that direction.
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No meaningful accomplishments for President Trump? Near full employment. Supreme Court justice confirmed. Booming stock market. Deregulation. It's Hillary who hasn't been able to move on.
Many on the progressive left are still re-fighting the primaries, for pity's sake. Clinton could do a lot to stop the in-fighting going on among lefties these days. She could ask all of us to stop blaming each other for the defeat in November, move on from the election and unify to defeat the right. She could thank Bernie Sanders for traveling around with Tom Perez to rally the Democratic base. She could speak out on specific issues, such as global warming or supporting Planned Parenthood. Instead, we get "I woulda won if the election had been held sooner."
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If Sanders and Clinton married, I would still be completely disgusted with the Democrats. The best are ineffectual, the worst are corporate stooges.
Why should she do anything? She was vilified daily in the press, had donnie and his supporters willing to "jail her" or "exercise their second amendment rights " with her. Barbara, why don't you and the rest of the lefties get it together instead of waiting for someone to do it for you. Hillary did all she could do, time for another to step in.
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This editorial is a perfect example of drawing a false equivalence.