‘Better Call Saul’ Season 3, Episode 4 Recap: Chicken vs. Ice Cream

May 01, 2017 · 152 comments
JustSayN2O (Miami)
So what was the "Bingo!" that Kim exclaimed at the end of this episode?

I have a theory. Kim was able to extract that there was a copy of the tape. This equates to a conspiracy, probably with Hamlin. Chuck would not have been able to accomplish this himself . . . unless he did, which negates his electromagnetic hypersensitivity claim. Either way, a "Bingo!"
Merrily We Go Along (Somewhere near Lake Tahoe!!)
I think it is amazing that Vince Gilligan knew exactly where he was going with both this series and BB!!( before he wrote down a single word) Utterly brilliant!!
Jo (<br/>)
Huh? Where did you get that idea? It's not true. It's all made up as they go along...
DrPencil.com (Chicago)
Good read...small correction. Max Arciniega played Krazy-8 on season 1 of Breaking Bad, episodes 1&2. No clue who played Gus's original partner that got shot by the pool in that flashback scene
Cal Elson (California)
I liked Breaking Bad, and Gus is a great character, but I wish the show had been more Saul Goodman and less Jimmy McGill. It's taking forever to make the transformation. Why not just have Saul helping an array of colorful criminals skate around the law each week, enriching himself in the process?
Pollo Rey (Kansas City)
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this recap & the comments/speculation. Some additional considerations:

(1) Don't assume Jimmy doesn't get disbarred. Saul Goodman may be a stolen identity, a dead lawyer, something like that.

Next, the speculation about the original vs copied tape doesn't matter much:

(2) Mike could easily locate the original & erase it. Even a simple magnetic tape eraser from Radio Shack would be powerful enough to penetrate a safety deposit box, etc. But the Bar would clearly suspect foul play.

(3) The copy tape wasn't really destroyed. The reel wasn't damaged, a simple repair to load it into a new tape. Doubtful this will come into play, just sayin...

(4) The physical tape is not required - both Howard and Chuck heard it, their testimony is enough evidence for a Bar review. Remember they're friendly with the review board, and Howard will vouch for Chuck's mental health.

Finally, some wishful speculation:

(5) When ADA Kyra pushed Jimmy for an apology, I got suspicious. The Jimmy we know should have stormed out, wouldn't normally swallow his pride like that. And he didn't want the preemptive judgment anyway, initially preferring to take his chances in court. Consider Kyra for a moment - she shows up at Chuck's doorstep, announces herself as a prosecutor from a different district but we saw no credentials or paperwork. Nobody saw her office, staff, etc. Perhaps she is an old friend of Jimmy, helping pull a con???
Casper Pike (Arizona)
Concerning the point that Jimmy to Saul transformation was to enable law practice after disbarment, this is very unlikely for the following reasons:

- Previous posters have confirmed that NM takes fingerprints of lawyers.
- Both Jimmy McGill and Saul Goodman have a wide media presence.
- Jimmy McGill is well known to ABQ district attorneys and Judges( they had
to go down to Belen to get someone to handle the case.
_ It is a farfetched and lazy concept.
Anne (Tallahassee)
I think it's time for AMC to bring this excellent show to its viewers twice a year, spring and fall! It's treacherously sinful and downright aggravating for fans to wait a full year for Jimmy & Co. to rear their lovely heads!
Commish50 (Port Chester, NY)
I keep thinking about the cassette tape. Cassette tapes were popular in the 70's and then lost their luster in the 80's with the advent of CD and then subsequently present day digital capture which is much more economical and easier to hide and transport. A cassette tape can be erased very easily if placed near a magnetic field versus a CD which will be unaffected. I'm wondering if the tape that is being wheeled into the courtroom is totally blank due to some innovative mass bulk erasing that Jimmy concocted with Mike. Will they prove Chuck as an "insane" individual??...therefore excusing Jimmy from further frustration by his brother and Howard?
Cilantro (Chicago)
Couple things I noticed in Ep 4 that I haven't seen in reviews or comments (I apologize if somebody else mentioned it...)

(1) In the scene in Gus's office at Los Pollos, Hector & Gus speak English to each other. I suspect this is because neither actor is a native Spanish speaker and it would've sounded pretty bad. (Gus spoke some Spanish in Breaking Bad, but as I recall, critics tore it apart.)

(2) At the end of the Don Eladio scene, the camera lingers on Hector while you can hear some bells tinkling in the wind. These bells foreshadow Hector's future life in the wheelchair.
Chris (California)
This episode really started heating up "Better Call Saul". We need those bad guys. For the first time this season I wished there was more so I could binge right away, not have to wait till next week. Good writing and acting.
skiddoo (Walnut Creek, CA)
Best written show on TV right now. Such a joy to see this excellent ensemble cast with two comic actors in dramatic roles - McKean and Odenkirk. I am so worried about what we may find out about what happened to Kim - I adore her and her little bobbing ponytail - she is the real workhorse of those law firms. And of course, Giancarlo Esposito as Gus - this show is amazing!
LoTRgeek1908 (Texas)
I think he gets Chuck committed to the mental institution or has Mike kill him. Whatever he does it is the thing that pushes him totally over to the dark side henceforth his role in breaking bad.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
Even at his worst on BB, Saul was not violent or directed Mike to do violent things. Walt was the one who tried violent stuff.
Michelle (Dallas Texas)
Jimmy and Kim are trying to set up an argument that Chuck is not of sound mind and is therefore, not a credible witness at Jimmie's disbarment hearing before the state bar. That is why Mike took pictures of his house..they will probably have the doctor from the hospital testify that there is no allergy to electricity and Chuck is just crazy. I think there will be a deal at the last minute in which Jimmy agrees to change his name to save Chuck the "embarrassment" that he and Chuck are brothers.
Victor Schwartzman (Vancouver, Canada)
Great show. Jimmy's plan, I guess, is to challenge his brother's competence on mental health grounds. He can show, thru the duplicate tape, that he was deliberately provoked into breaking in. The lamp on the newspapers and other issues, such as cell phone use, will be brought up to show the brother is not competent. Jimmy will then file for power of attorney over Chuck, and Chuck will fold. Note: I did not watch some episodes of Breaking Bad because they were too violent (and I love "The Wild Bunch.") Saul is better in many ways, as it always emphasizes character, and how character propels plot.
LR (San Diego, CA)
I'm probably the only one who didn't realize that the same actor (Stephen Bauer) who plays Don Eladio also plays "Avi" on Ray Donovan. I thought he looked familiar!
Utmf (New york)
Or more like Tony Montana's best friend Manny Ribera
oshbeg (Marion Illinois)
He also played Manny on Scarface
steven (nunya)
you think that's amazing? i still can't believe he's the number two in scarface!
John (Denver)
I think Kim turned the tables on Chuck by taping that conversation she had with Chuck, as she was leaving the building.
JoBeth (Michigan)
What did she say in that conversation? I just watched it last night but I can't remember!
Cynthia (New York)
It looks like Kim is gearing up for her own little taste of revenge -- against Chuck and Howard, no less, those princes of douchebaggery.

Attagirl.
JLM (Indiana)
Brillant, superior, stellar!

So good to have the gang (Mike, Gus, Hector and Jimmy/Saul) back together again.
Noam Sane (Harrisburg, PA)
I agree. The writing is so good. I didn't know McKean had this kind of a role in him. It takes a special kind of actor to make you loathe a character so much.
R (New York, NY)
"rule of thirds" lol
Jan Van Uytvange (France, Graveson)
We're back at the breath-taking storytelling of Breaking Bad. Gee, that feels good!
Brandon (Omaha)
This was one of the most satisfying BCS episodes in recent memory. All of our favorites got a lot of screen time and everything was tied up, and teed up, nicely. I think that's the genius of the BCS writing staff - they tie up enough loose ends, and start enough new ones, to create very satisfying and thought-provoking drama.
Mark Gleason (Balsam Lake, WI)
Jimmy's apology: "No one should treat his own brother like that, not ever". Jimmy was talking about how Chuck was treating him, and Chuck got the point, judging by his reaction.
Anonymously (CT)
During the apology, Jimmy looks Chuck in the eye, and says, "I'm sorry, this is not what brothers should do," (or something like that). That hit home. It was more a message to Chuck than an apology.

I like the way Gus dresses like a total dork. Short sleeves with a tie tip that doesn't reach his belt. Only thing missing is a pocket protector.

I checked, NM attorneys are fingerprinted. That makes a new identity as a lawyer impossible if you've been disbarred. And Gene doesn't want to be in any situation--hospital?--where his identity could be investigated.
Rupert (Princeton, NJ)
Jimmy was chucks legal guardian, when chuck was hospitalized. I wonder if the pictures of Chuck's house, especially the oil lamp on a pile of newspaper, will support a claim that Chuck still needs to be cared for. A man attempting to get his legal guardian disbarred, especially by relying on a tape that can now be found and doctored, could be fatally embarrassed in front of his peers.
Barbara (New Jersey)
I believe Kim's "Bingo" comment refers not only to the existence of the original tape, but how it will be used in Jimmy's Bar hearing. I think Kim will insist that the tape be played in its entirety. Context is everything. Jimmy's confession comes at the end of the taping. Prior to that, Chuck admitted he was covering his home office in foil to protect himself, that exposure to electricity has adversely affected his mind and led to his decision to retire. Playing that portion of the tape together with Mike's photos and the testimony of people such as Ernie, the copy clerk and even the physician who treated Chuck's head injury would seriously undercut Chuck's argument.
Viola1891 (Ohio)
Entrapment as a legal term defined precisely is an act that police officers and law enforcement in general may be guilty of against a citizen . The term does not apply to a situation involving one citizen against another neither of which is law enforcement. Chuck may be an officer of the court due thru his attorney status but I do not agree that his actions constitute entrapment.
steven (nunya)
i think what chuck and jimmy are doing to each other (at least what can be proven of it) is extralegal at worst.
Joseph Thomas Gatrell (Blue Island, IL)
There is no need for prediction since everyone knows what is going to happen. It is a matter of how it will happen, and that is why we watch. "Better Call Saul" is delicious in its intensity and simplicity. We watch because we love details and results. It slow-ly-dots-the-i-and-crosses-the-t-and-then-sub-tle-ly-POW! And thank you for the recap. It is necessary and enjoyable for those of us who did not watch "Breaking Bad" because you filled in some of the blanks.
steven (nunya)
if you haven't watched breaking bad and you are watching better call saul all the way through, when 'saul' finishes his transformation you have a truly rare gift in front of you which is the opposite of what most people have: the opportunity to watch breaking bad with the context of better call saul going into it. what a rare and incredible treat you have ahead of you.
Rob Kantner (Mt. Pleasant, MI)
Great and helpful overview of a great episode that had me laughing at times as well as riveted at others. I don't agree with Mr. Segal's comment about Don Eladio pointing out that Hector seemed jealous. I trust the brilliant creators of BCS well enough to suggest another interpretation: Eladio made that completely obvious assessment to rub it in, to humiliate Hector as completely as possible. That's entirely consistent with Eladio's character and also evidence of the Don's desire to motivate Hector to do better.
CFXK (Washington, DC)
Somehow when all this gets sorted out, Kim is the one who will be disbarred, and whose life will be destroyed. :(
Debbie Landon (Idaho)
They know Chuck's attention to detail. They lured him into itemizing " the tape" as being destroyed, and forcing Jimmy to pay for it. Chuck then admits "the" tape he testified was destroyed... was not. This could cause all sorts of legal issues for Chuck in the future. Chucks nit picking on facts could also bite him. What if Chuck agrees to a settlement with Jimmy.. that "Jimmy McGill" will stop practicing law. So poof Jimmy changes his name. To "Saul Goodman". I'm also getting the feeling there is way more to this women from the court that mediated the fact finding. Is she a Jimmy plant? She appears to be catering excessively to Chuck but is that all an act? Is she really a buddy of JImmy leading Chuck down a path of no return.
JD (NJ)
Thank you for crystallizing what I was thinking but could not articulate! Saul is setting up his brother as the unreliable one, the one whose judgment is not to be believed.
Cilantro (Chicago)
But Chuck didn't ask for the emotional value of a unique tape. He just asked for the retail cost ($3) of a cassette tape -- which undisputedly was ruined. That's not inconsistent with the possibility that he has a duplicate tape.
Vanessa Anderson (Portland, OR)
There is a rule of evidence called "the best evidence rule." It means that you need to admit the original and not a copy of the evidence. Although Chuck said the copy was destroyed, maybe Kim can argue that there is no way to know which one is the original and perhaps the tape was altered in making a copy. I'm not sure if the disciplinary bar follows those rules of evidence that would be required in court, but it may be their argument for keeping the tape out of evidence.
Operadoc (Newport News, VA)
One flaw in this BB prequel: you can make adult actors look convincingly young, as with Hector. But Mike's granddaughter? Children grow, and there's not much you can do about it. Kaylee seemed visibly bigger than the little girl Mike played with in BB. I wonder if they considered re-casting her??
Casper Pike (Arizona)
I had the same thought in the case of Kaylee. In the case of Hector I think they made him look older (which is easier) on BB.
steven (nunya)
i remember the girl in breaking bad being bigger. it certainly isn't the same young actress. they look completely different.
Joe (DeKalb IL)
I believe that Gilligan and Gould have gone on record admitting that they messed up on that one.
EMJ (Houston, TX)
1) Saul's written confession doesn't mention a "cassette tape" like Chuck and Harold wanted; the written confession only mentions "personal property" (i.e, the door)

2) When Saul is forced to apologize, he specifically mentions the door, but doesn't mention the cassette tape

3) Kim and Saul were happy ("Bingo") when they confirmed that Chuck still has the original cassette tape

The reason that Saul wouldn't credibly be able to claim he made a "false confession" to Chuck is because he destroyed the cassette tape.

Kim and Saul are going to say that Saul never destroyed a cassette tape and that they don't know what Chuck's talking about. They'll say that Saul damaged the door, which is what his written confession meant by "personal property". They will let Chuck play the tape and will not deny that Saul said those things, but they'll say Saul made a false confession because he loves his brother and didn't want him to go crazy. Mike's pictures will support the fact that Chuck is in a fragile state of mind. Chuck will say "if it was a false confession, why did destroy it?" - Saul will say "I confessed to destroying your door, not any tape". Saul and Kim will support the fact that Saul did not destroy any tape by saying, "Chuck still has the original tape. Why would he have a duplicate? We don't know what he's talking about"

The paper that Mike handed Saul was the address of Chuck's ex-wife, who will support Saul and Kim's claim that Chuck is in a fragile mental state
Phoenix (California)
Good points. The duplicate shows that Chuck fully anticipated Jimmy would come for the tape, and thus it was a set-up. Entrapment could easily be argued in view of Chuck's calculating behavior. The question of whether Chuck has the actual original or not could also be argued. The photos Mike took demonstrate that Chuck is a head case, and the kerosine lamp sitting on the stack of newspapers show that Chuck is a menace, not capable of good judgment. The lamp could easily have set the papers on fire. This could be used to show that Chuck is a danger to himself and others. Personally, I hope that happens. Chuck is such a mean schmuck to Jimmy who tries valiantly to help Chuck through his state of psychological collapse. What does Jimmy get back? Chuck's determination to destroy him. We all want to know exactly what Kim was thinking when she yelled out, "Bingo!" presumably not referring to the game Jimmy plays with the old folks.
ScottH (Washington, DC)
Great points about the confession and apology not mentioning the cassette tape! I hadn't noticed that when I was watching. I don't think Jimmy and Kim will argue that the destroyed copy never existed though.. didn't Howard and the private detective witness its destruction?
I was thinking that Bingo was because now Kim and Jimmy know Chuck and Howard's plan, but I think you're right.. it's because now they have a plan of their own.

Did you freeze frame the show to see what the paper said? (Chuck's ex's address) - or is that a speculation? Whoever mentioned bringing in the nurse to testify that Chuck's condition isn't real other than having psychological issues - great point!

Can't wait to watch the next episode!
Cilantro (Chicago)
OK, but there are two eyewitnesses (besides Chuck) to Jimmy destroying the tape.
Mary (Ct)
They will know where the tape is!! He won't be guilty without tape proof. By the way... Hester was the bad hombre who shot Ceretta on Law and Order). (Paul Sorvino). A very bad man!!!!
Scara (Los Angeles)
Prediction: Kim has such a traumatic experience in Better Call Saul, that she gives up her law practice and flees to her small hometown "on the Kansas/Nebraska border." Overcome with depression, she develops an uncontrollable craving for sweets. One day, she crosses the state line, desperate for a fix. As she enters a Cinnabon, the scene suddenly switches to black and white. We see Kim's face turn to shock as she gazes on Jimmy/Saul behind the counter. But Jimmy stares back blankly. He's unable to recognize Kim since she's gained so much weight. Freeze. Cue music. Enter title slate " Badder Still!" and we're now in the sequel to Breaking Bad.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
You should head out to LA and crash a writers room. In 2-3 years you could be running your BB sequel set in the underrepresented Nebraska environs.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
Oops I saw you are already in LA..... Are you already in the BIZ.... if so you have a leg up! Other than About Schmidt and the very tenuous linkage of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom and a film called Nebraska, this state needs equal time!!!
JD (NJ)
Great. But: "Baking Bad" is my choice for the next series (mmmm, donuts!)
bmfc1 (Silver Spring, MD)
The review and recap was excellent but this comment is for the brokers of the house featured in last night's ep: your website says that the house was
"Formally a B&B". Unless you mean that it was a formal B&B, I think you mean "formerly".
Casper Pike (Arizona)
If it was formerly a B&B the operators maybe did a poor job marketing it. In ABQ they have BB tours. Considering BB & BCS and gorgeous views whoever buys it may want to consider going the B&B route. Close to ABQ and Santa Fe but in a quiet remote area should be a plus.
Anne (Tallahassee)
Although I certainly knew that Ermantrout had shown up to work behind the scenes on behalf of Jimmy & Kim, it was absolutely wonderful to see Kim's stealth & steady effort resulting in Ermantrout's actually arriving, power tool in hand! The early, constant & steady focus on the power tool in Ermantrout's hand suggested that Chuck was about to be royally "screwed" in the manner of his own creation (and within the space of his own safety zone)! He might be a brilliant lawyer, but he's not about to out-slick Jimmy. Everytime Chuck came near the buzzing and super loud drill, Ermantrout revved the decibel, kerping Chuck at bay, the image suggesting that Chuck's eventual retreat was more than him leaving the scene but (perhaps) his eventual "backing away" from Jimny's behavior and allowing his him to just "be." The set-up might be a man vs man thematic, buy you can't out-slick a slickster.

When Kim and Jimmy were at the table with Chuck and his partner, the tension was zero below freezing: one-word "greetings and zero eye contact except when Jimmy was forced to look at his evil brother. When Kim and Jimmy exited the building following the meeting, and Kim smirked and said "Bingo," her words harkened back to two earlier scenes: (1) Jimmy's bingo-calling days at the assisted living facility and (2) the judge's snarky remark at Jimmy's hearing when he says he practices elder law. (She says it's a "noble profession." ) Noble indeed.
jwawker (Georgia)
It feels like Breaking Bad is back on the air, sans Walter White, and it is soooo good.
J Smitty (US)
I agree with jwawker. It's like watching "Breaking Bad" all over again but with more insights into the original characters which makes watching "Better Call Saul" so much fun. I love this show!!!!
RS (Beachwood Oh)
Great episode! The drama is ramping up. Where are all the comments???
Anne (Tallahassee)
Just a fine-tuned show in every regard. And stellar writing. One of my favorite scenes harkens back to season one, where Jimmy does the the Bingo calling at the assisted living facility and then the (current) judge's snarky remark to Jimmy ("That's a noble field) when he says he pracyices elder law. When he and Kim exit the building and Kim says, with a smirk, "Bingo," I knew that Jimmy and Kim had indeed began to intersect in more ways than previously presented.

Mike's entrance into Chuck's home was a brilliant move. From Kim's unrelenting effort to locate the number to the repair shop to the constant close-up of the power drill in Mike's hand suggested that Chuck was going to be royally "screwed" in the space where he created this monster of his own making. Notice that Mike mentioned an old-fashioned screwdriver (and the time it would take to do the job) versus the swift use of the power tool and the steady high & low-pitched drilling noise. I know that the scenes were presented to gauge Chuck's whereabouts and to get him out of proximity so the photos could be taken, but also his absence from his own creation seemed a brilliant scene, suggesting that he, too, will be a factor in -- and contributor to -- his own downfall. The hints of his impending demise cannot be overlooked. He is the captain of his own fate.

Gus Fring's steely performance is scarily unnerving. His silence speaks volumes in every scene and his gaze is a deadly thing to witness.
JE (Portland, OR)
I think the "Bingo" is in reference to the admission that the copy in the tape recorder is indeed a copy. That indicates that they were expecting Jimmy to come after it, and thus in effect setting him up. While that doesn't excuse Jimmy's breaking and entering, perhaps it indicates Chuck's duplicity.
JohnAshton (Denver, CO)
Good one. I think you're on to something.
Anne (Tallahassee)
The word "Bingo" is not a singular reference; it wears many hats. As many of us know, every scene in each episode is in relation to an existing scenario or previous scene. That is not only the brilliance of the writers, it is the power of the entire production. Words, as much as the overt and subtle actions of the characters, are as powerful as anything I've ever witnessed on the small screen.
Cal Elson (California)
I was guessing the address book showed where Chuck is keeping the original tape, and Jimmy will now steal and destroy it. Without the tape, it's back to "my word against his word" and the photos show Chuck is paranoid and delusional.
Michael M (Drexel Hill, PA)
I am obsessed with the background noises. A few weeks ago it was crickets-- crickets everywhere.

This week it was passing cars and cellphones ringing. Gus gave a great speech to the employees. (I think I would still have quit right then and there.)

Kim is not with Jimmy/Saul in "BB," so she is not just a moral compass. She is either collateral damage or a character headed toward such a compromising and lethal choice that it destroys her. It's the denouement in the prequel! It has to be a new literary device, so it needs a name.
John (Michigan)
Just a quick point. We know Kim was not practicing with Jimmy/Saul in BB, but we don't definitively know she wasn't "with" Saul during the events of BB.
Ryan (NYC)
I believe the "Bingo" won with this episode has to do with Chuck's disclosure that there is in fact a copy of the oh-so-important tape and that more importantly, it is currently locked away in some box (don't recall the exact words used by Chuck here, but he often is soooo precise with his diction). Given the time and effort that Kim is apparently willing to spend to help Jimmy, it is probably enough info to help them track down and seize/damage this copy of the tape as well.

As for most of the photos that Mike took, I think they were an attempt to verify Jimmy's spin on his crime of "damage to property" (as opposed to a "destruction of a tape", which targets Jimmy's attempt to destroy evidence of a much more important crime to Bar). Not sure what made what Mike's picture of the lamp with WSJ made Jimmy so happy - maybe he would like to spin Chuck's health condition as some of state of overall mental/emotional disability, as any lawyer would?

I thought it was "weak" in the end that with all the time dedicated so far in the past couple episodes to introduce the Mike and Gus allegiance that Gus did not give a green light to Mike's original plan to kill Hector (an attempt that would of course be a failure, but get that story into this season). Even if Mike was satisfied with how things played out, I could see Gus' revelation of what occurred at the Los Pollos Hermanos as being enough to upset Mike back into vengeance mode.
Paul G (Cleveland)
Mike fixed the door. Mike may have thus put in a new lock, keeping a copy of the key. He can then enter at will, find the tape, or whatever else Kim and Jimmy need. Well, that's my guess. Also, making a copy of the tape may prove that Jimmy was entrapped. Who knows? Can't wait to find out, though.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
I doubt it, Chuck made a point to say the door was not damaged, so no reason to change the lock. Besides with Mike's skill set, he don't need no stinkin keys.
katie (home)
you could be right and the paper he gave jimmy could be the combination????
Paul (Princeton)
believe the paper had the bank info that contained the tape
MH (Los Angeles)
My husband and I feel a bit let down by this season of BCS. They certainly have a subtle paced style that we became familiar with in the last few seasons. But now it just feels so SLOW. Last night's episode was far more compelling that 1-3 this season. But if it keeps up, I may have to give up on the show.
danno@large (Denver CO)
We know who the ultimate winners will be in the coming contests. (Take a bow, Jimmy and Gus.) - In the coming contests, yes. But the long game belongs to Walter White and Hector.

The pace of this season is maddening, but enjoyable nonetheless.
Sam Kanter (NYC)
"Bingo"! Delightfully frustrating ending.
DSM14 (Westfield Nj)
The scenes between Gus and Mike are far more interesting than those between Jimmy and either Chuck or Kim. As the author noted "show don't tell".

Sadly, the opening scene not only violated that, but was too long, which has happened more this season than before.

As much as I admire the brilliance of the acting in the scenes involving either Gus or Mike, I am by far most intrigued by the question of what will happen to Kim which accounts for her absence from Breaking Bad? My best guess is she realizes Jimmy is not going to change enough to be the law or love partner she needs and takes a great job in another region. But as we saw with Hank, the creators do not shy away from unhappy endings.
katie (home)
people seem obsessed with kim dying..i don't understand it! the way this is going, they will meet up with BB soon, then there is opportunity to start the sequel and for jimmy and kim to reunite....have some faith
Casper Pike (Arizona)
If the house was closer to Santa Fe proper, it would be worth 2-5 times the new asking price. Location, Location, Location. Still a nice looking property. Don't know if I would want to put up with BB and BCS tourists.
jerry (florida)
How do you know Jimmy isn't ultimately disbarred? Why else would he change his name (twice!), unless he's in some sort of a witness protection? We're supposed to think he has the upper hand on his brother, but it's that sort of overconfidence that may get him in trouble.

Also, anyone who sees Breaking Bad knows what Gus' victories utlimately cost him. His business and his life.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
If he was disbarred a name change would not allow him to practice, especially in the same state.
DSM14 (Westfield Nj)
As Jimmy has changed his name, but is still practicing law in the same city in Breaking Bad, he was not disbarred before then, although I have difficulty understanding how a lawyer who advertises himself widely as Jimmy McGill manages to thrive in the same place under a very different name without changing his appearance.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
As Jimmy McGill he is practicing Elder Law. Based on Saul's busy waiting room it is more of a Criminal/DUI/Personal Injury practice. Other than the clown wardrobe (which he kept when trying to get canned at Davis&May) no reason to change his appearance.
CFXK (Washington, DC)
Fpr tose of you who have been impatient the with "slow-going," "lingering scenes" and "action-less" focus on character development of the first three episodes of the season....

Here's your payoff. It's attention and patient development like that that allows for an absolutely breath-taking and breakthrough episode like this. Sorry, but you can't have one without the other. All action all the time would make Jimmy (and Mike and Gus) a dull boy. And Kim a dull girl. Thankfully, Gilligan et al. know that, and have taken the time to so what needs to be done to make such amazing story-telling possible.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
One thing I noticed in the other show, but was confirmed during tonight’s pool side opening. Don Eladio was played by Steven Bauer who played Tony Montana’s sidekick Manny Ribera in Scarface. Mr. Bauer has been very prolific he has over 170 credits in IMDb for almost 40 years of work.
DSM14 (Westfield Nj)
Bauer also plays the Israeli sidekick in Ray Donovan. I always found him a solid actor, although as Don Eladio, he overacted a bit.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
Yeah you are right I missed that. The accent must have thrown me off.
katie (home)
I don't know of him, but if he's not a spanish speaker, he is a helluva faker :)
Robert (Knoxville, TN)
Overall, the best BCS episode of the series. Sets of the promise of some good ones to come, too.
Jeff Klenow (Palm Desert)
The paper Mike handed over to Jimmy was probably an address of where the original incriminating tape recording is being kept "under lock and key." I also think that Jimmy plans to steal that tape and alter the recording before the court date. Once the tape is played in court, Chuck will have no idea he is about to be played.
katie (home)
good point steal it, alter it, put it back...good work!
Mary (Massachusetts)
Not sure that would work, since Chuck played the tape for Howard, who could support Chuck's claims about any changes that would significantly alter its meaning. I agree the paper is probably the location of the original tape, though. And I think the "Bingo!" at the end refers to Kim and Jimmy having deliberately snookered Chuck into insisting on the "destruction" language rather than "damage."
Michael Fallai (Phoenix AZ)
a potential fatal flaw in Jimmy's plot to show, in the disciplinary hearing to come, that Chuck "entrapped" Jimmy and/or is not mentally competent to practice law:

that one photo that Jimmy likes has a newspaper in it.

The newspaper gives the clue as to what date the photos were taken.

Chuck could then put two and two together: the guy sent to fix his door was the one who took the photos. If Jimmy is going to use those photos in a disciplinary hearing, isn't Chuck going to want to know who got into his house and took them? Or are the photos for some other, separate use?
Lily (Atlanta)
Yes, he might want to know, but wanting to know doesn't necessarily translate into actually knowing. Who's going to do the questioning of Chuck about the photos when they are brought up at trial? Kim will (even though they will have been presented to the prosecutor beforehand).
Cynthia (New York)
Over the weekend, I "speed-binged" through all of the Breaking Bad episodes that featured Saul. Mostly I was wondering if I had ever rooted for Saul as I root for Jimmy now. Was Saul ever in any way endearing?

In the process, I noticed a theme I appear to have missed entirely, even though now it seems embarrassingly obvious: so many of the characters have two or more names. Walter White is Heisenberg. Jimmy McGill is Slippin' Jimmy is Saul Goodman is Gene the Cinnabon guy. Walt Jr. is Flynn. Marie is whatever crazy name she makes up when she goes on a klepto-run. Even the company that Walt co-founded was a combination of names: White + Schwartz (black) = Gray, so "Gray Matter" it is. And Gus Fring is...??? We don't know yet. (Hank "casually" asks Gus if that's his real name; there are no records that confirm the existence of a Gustavo Fring before 1986.) I wonder how many more I missed.

So now I'm wondering how deliberately the theme was devised by the writers. Did they stumble on the idea? Did it emerge from some Freudian-like quirk of consciousness? Was it always deliberate?

It's fun to wonder.
Lisa (Ladd)
Kim got Chuck to acknowledge that Jimmy destroyed the copy of the tape. The original is still out there somewhere. Maybe the info Mike picked up will lead them to it. This is a great show, a fine followup to "Breaking Bad." Very enjoyable.
JC (GPW)
I'm a "it's the journey not the destination" kinda guy but at the pace these stories are unfolding it will be Season 10 when we get to see the James Morgan McGill to S'All Good Man metamorphosis complete. I was leery about BCS when it was announced as a spin-off program but has surpassed expectations. Bob Odenkirk is doing a great job in the nuance of his character letting Jimmy slowly build to what we know is coming. I too wish the writers would punch up Rhea Seehorn's Kim into something more than Jimmy's id. Perhaps she could be related to Badger in some way.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
Related to Badger, LOL and very sick.
Randy (Denver)
The "reverse engineering" of these characters is amazing to me. I don't "think" the BB writers anticipated exploring/inventing the backstory of these guys some day. It's so much fun! Can't wait for next Monday!!
Duncan (France)
I happened to like Don Eladio's pointing out Hector's otherwise tacit jealously as it magnifies his humiliation, and helps us see the fire of his revenge plan. Otherwise, I am in the dark about the photos and the original recording that Chuck as preserved and how they will work to free Jimmy.
Doug Ferguson (Charleston, SC)
I'm no lawyer, but the "bingo" is likely Chuck's unnecessary admission that the tape was not the only copy. Can't wait to see the next episode to find out.
Ellen (Ann Arbor)
I love this show, and I love the recap. I also love the fact that when Jimmy asked Mike his opinion of Chuck, Mike did not reveal anything. Very zen.
When Kim said "Bingo" to Jimmy, I took it to mean that they just wanted to get confirmation that Chuck had another recording, AND they also got confirmation that he was planning to use it in court.
CG (Chicago)
Mike prefers not to make snap decisions--he likes to have all the facts in mind prior to action or judgement. Thought the "bingo" was either about the tape, or that the address book contains Chuck's former wife's info. She could either have negative things to say of Chuck, or her mere presence at court proceedings could unhinge him. Love it when shows are unpredictable!
katie (home)
oh, great idea for the paper......
Mary Baxter (CT)
They got the combination and they will steal the tape. Without the tape, there is no case.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
Concerning the "Don Eladio’s " property I looked at the advertising bumf a second time and wondered other than being 20-30 miles from Santa Fe, why has a nice looking property has been reduced in price? Like all things in the west, water, what is the output of the well?????
Matt (San Francisco)
Well, tonight's episode, number four, is the first of the entire series to deliver the frisson that Breaking Bad always did.
And without Walter White, no less.
No doubt having Gus and "Pollos Hermanos" feature so prominently, along with Hector, delivered that high, but I think, for me, there was more than that. But I can't articulate it. It seemed to may be visually, too. But just maybe.
I can't wait for Chuck to get his comeuppance, even more than Hector, perhaps because, in his own way, Chuck is as cold blooded. And we know that Hector will, indeed, get some of the comeuppance he deserves, but not yet know how. How diabolical will Gus manage to make it ?
Or, for that matter, what diabolic plan Kim has up her sleeve.
I have to wait a whole week ( please Mr. Gilligan, not more than that ) for that particular frisson, which may provide an even greater high than blue meth.
Next week's episode should deliver. If it doesn't, that will be cold turkey to me.
katie (home)
it was a good episode but I miss jimmie....
David Wolf (Washington, DC)
I believe Jimmy is going to offer a "false confession" defense. The photographs are evidence of how sick Chuck is and why Jimmy would be sufficiently concerned to issue a "false" confession. Chuck's making a back-up tape is evidence that he orchestrated the entire scenario. Finally, I believe Rebecca's contact information is on the paper Mike hands Jimmy, so she can appear at the hearing and testify to how sick her ex-husband is, or at least was when she left him.
katie (home)
I hope you're right about rebecca, there had to be some reason to bring her up before. the two probably had a bad break up, but he was still wearing his wedding ring when his mother died and they weren't together...can't wait to see :)
Khalid (Toronto)
The trap Chuck walked into was by revealing where the original was to Kim at the end of the episode.
AmarilloMike (Amarillo, Texas)
I don't think it was a misstep that the writers had Don point out Hector's jealousy. The Don, in his greed, was trying to goad Salamanca into making more effort and more money. Contrast that performance to Hector's handling of his fast-food employees. Very clear who the more intelligent, more cunning and better leader is.
James (NJ)
I think Jimmy is going to try to prove in Court that ultimately Chuck is crazy. The lamp picture would prove that he could have made the small error and the others prove that he is living in insane living conditions. Knowing Saul, they may try to forge a new tape and replace the other so that in court it would play something different than what Chuck remembers (someone correct me if I'm wrong but has Howard actually heard the tape?) ultimately leading to either Chuck getting disbarred or forceful retirement.
Chris Smith (Chicago, IL)
I totally agree with you about the Don Eladio's opening scene. I think they dragged it on just a bit too long and could have shortened it without the unnecessary exposition. I so enjoy the mystery and the fact that the writers put enough faith into the viewer that we are smart enough to try and figure out what Jimmy's strategy is. That being said, I think Mike took the pics because Jimmy is going to switch tapes, now that he knows the original is being held under "lock and key". The pics were his way of "casing the joint". As for the slip of paper, it could be a combination or a locker no. at the airport that is holding the original tape. I... love... this... show!!!!!
puristartist (boulder, co)
Bingo means they got Chuck to admit the original tape is under lock and key. I'm guessing they will find it somehow?
Joe Gaspard (St. Paul MM)
Don Eladio's comment about jealousy struck me as being less about telling the audience something than just being a character note about Don Eladio -- who seems to like to stir things up between Hector and Gus.
Graham (DC)
I'm not so sure we know that Jimmy will be disbarred. I'm not sure this trumped-up family squabble will result in disbarment (there are lawyers who have done far worse practicing today). It's quite possible that whatever maneuver he and Kim are planning will work, he will retain his license, and he will voluntarily change his name in a final act of severing ties with Chuck.
Todd Goglia (Bryn Mawr)
My guess as to the "bingo" is that it relates back to the argument over the use of the word "destroyed" vs "damaged" in Jimmy's signed confession. They plan to undermine Chuck's credibility by showing him to be mentally unstable, acting on a personal vendetta, and most importantly lying in court over the extent of the damages.
Chief Cali (Port Hueneme)
This was a great "little taste" to followers of this prequel. I had to go back and find Sauls first introduction to the Breaking Bad Saga. Jessie and Walt have him facing a pit and Jimmy yelling about Enriqe Salamanca.
Now I'm sure for many this tale is like following the yellow brick road wind to Oz, for me who grew up in my little Colonia in Chiques Town it's about those dark characters who you knew and were told they were not to be friends with.
katie (home)
that's how I read sabrosito too )
Casper Pike (Arizona)
I wonder if that fire station was the same one Walt dropped off Holly and the end of the other program.
Jeffrey Janofsky (Maryland)
It was the same fire station as confirmed in this weeks Better Call Saul podcast
Casper Pike (Arizona)
BCS Podcast!!! I am going to check that out. Do they have writer participation?
Josh Backus (Toronto)
No theories, but David I have to say I'm a little confused by your criticism of Don Eladio remarking on Salamanca's appearance of jealousy. The writing in that scene was as brilliant as any other in the series. The purpose of his comment was not to inform the viewer of the fact. It was simply Eladio using Hector's jealousy to taunt him, which is among Eladio's favorite pastimes. It was also Eladio's subtle way of warning him that he better get his act together if he wants to keep his head firmly attached to his shoulders.
Remiliscent (San Antonio, by way of Dallas and Austin)
What I heard was Jimmy was praising Mike for being the the Ansel Adams of "covert" not "indoor" photography, which would make more sense in this context.

Since everything in this show has a purpose, I am wondering about the symbolism or foreshadowing behind the loud motorcycle noise during Mike's and Gus' discussion outside the toll booth. Were they being spied upon with the noise a red herring to draw attention from this, much like Mike shooting in the air to lull Hector's drivers into a false feeling of security that neither they nor their vehicle were the target? Did Gus hire the motorcyclist to obscure their conversation in case they were being recorded?

Last week I praised Mike for being such a multifaceted character. This week it's Gus, who - despite being a cold-blooded killer - truly seems to care about his Los Pollos Hermanos employees.
katie (home)
I didn't get the caring part...I think he wants them to keep up his front
katie (home)
he took a pix of the wiring which was all disconnected and frayed, remember? mike made the comment, looks like when they broke in, they were coming after copper wiring. the pictures are to show that chuck is crazy.
Derik Lattig (Fort Worth, Tx)
I suspect Kim will break Chuck Perry Mason style next week in Court using his mental illness as a defense as to why Jimmy did what he was going to do. What deranged person anyway lives in a house with no power, lanterns on paper and makes duplicate tapes to make sure he does his OWN brother in. At worst Jimmy gets off with a slap on the hand from the State Bar and I suspect this will send Chuck reeling, maybe even causing the fire I predict that will kill him. I say this based on overshadowing of the photo of the lantern and other hints dropped last season inside Chucks home. I also liked the symbolism of Jimmy and Kim walking out of the Courthouse together, not through the same door but, separate doors, they are still not working as one and are very different people. I tool caught the Don in the swimming pool thing and wondered if anyone else saw a bald headed DEA agent blurred out outside Hector's place as the camera pulled into Mikes car? If Hank was in the office during this time period, it is likely for such a major bust he would have been out there. I duuno, maybe just wishful thinking, but that shot sure looks like ol' Hank from a distance.
katie (home)
muy excelente! didn't think of a fire but maybe....
Neelie (Philadelphia, PA)
I'm gonna' watch that scene again........but I am sure Hank and Gomez show up sooner than later.
Steve (Illinois)
Maybe Kim is taping while Chuck admits it was a set up. Hence it will be Chuck getting disbarred.
tagans (Longboat Key FL)
The point of the telling over showing is to show what a sadistic buy Don Eladio is. Over the top, unnecessary to the plot, but necessary to the character
Ellen (CA)
The reviewer is wrong about why Don Eladio taunts Hector over his jealousy. The writers aren't explaining to the audience. They're showing Don Eladio deliver the final, humiliating blow to Hector. Yes, we in the audience and the characters on the screen all knew earlier in the scene that Hector was jealous. But Don Eladio, the cheerful sadist, would never let such a thing pass unremarked. It would be totally out of character. Stating the obvious is part of his mask. And that remark is the spark that sends Hector to Los Pollos Hermanos. So no, not a writing mistake.

On an unrelated point, I think the attack on Chuck will hinge on the word "destroyed." Chuck was lured into insisting on that word. But the original tape (and the sound record itself) wasn't destroyed. In fact, he intends to play it for the Bar Association. Jimmy could accuse Chuck of perjury, especially since Jimmy paid damages to Chuck.
katie (home)
oh, great insight...if the tape was not destroyed than the door was broken and that's it...and the fact that the item was paid for, may mean jimmy owns it!
Brandon (Omaha)
Completely agree - seems strange that David Segal would take issue with that bit. It's part of Don Eladio's personality, and also has the management function of motivating Hector to produce.
Neelie (Philadelphia, PA)
Great analysis. Totally agree. I was noticing in the opening scene how Hector looked especially younger....no grey hair was seen (even with the hat). When he shows up at Los Polos, I noticed his hair longed more grey.....so I wonder how much time went by. My guess is the opening scene was just the beginning of why Hector grows to HATE Gus. We all know why Gus HATES Hector.
Hector showed up at Los Polos AFTER Mike caused the DEA to shut down his route, but much later than the scene with Eladio which obviously Hector was still making a lot of money. Eladio is such an evil instigator just for the 'fun' of it. Also, spot on about changing damaged to destroyed. Chuck hung himself with that.......'bingo'.
Ophelia (Mountain View, CA)
In the final scene (I was watching with closed captions), one caption said [sound of metal detector]. Could it be that Chuck had the original cassette tape in his briefcase and it was magnetically erased? Could Kim or Jimmy have had a strong magnet with them in the conference room.
Casper Pike (Arizona)
The sound of metal detectors is constant in a courthouse. In order to erase a tape from 6 ft would be huge. To carry it, both Kim and Jimmy would have to actually use the gym equipment at the gym across the street from their office.
katie (home)
in BB, it took a truck full of magnets, I don't see it here
Merrily We Go Along (Somewhere near Lake Tahoe!!)

We LOVE when Mike enters a scene!!!!
katie (home)
Ok so, things are getting better, this is by far the strongest of the season. Here are things to ponder for me: is the last scene a set up for entrapment? Can a citizen entrap someone, of course that may have a different meaning given the Bar association vs court. Any thoughts on what the paper from the address book is? I have to give that some thought, nothing immediately comes to mind.
And thirdly, the reviewer here is trying to give rise to the Gus is gay line, which I find disturbing. In BB, Walter and Gus are having dinner at his house and Gus speaks of his children not liking the same cuisine. I have news for this writer, not everyone that doesn't have a partner is gay! Some people like to be alone. And if I were a drug dealer who worked with people that kill at a moment's notice, I probably wouldn't want to endanger someone that I loved, so all the more reason to stay single! We already have this Mike situation where something may put his family at risk, which may ultimately tie into the reason he accepts Gus' offer, to get protection for his family.

Anyway, I'm revved up considerably more this episode, but hopeful that we actually see Jimmy more, moving forward.
J Grunstra (Santa Cruz, CA)
When Kim talks to Chuck after the confession-signing scene, Chuck tells her about the duplicate he made of the cassette tape. She prompts him to admit that he wanted Jimmy to break into his house. When Kim rejoins Jimmy after this conversation, she says, "Bingo!". I'm sure she secretly taped her conversation with Chuck and that tape will be used as evidence of entrapment, which will keep Jimmy from being disbarred.
katie (home)
gonna watch it again, see if she pauses to tape something
katie (home)
I didn't see her tape anything, she wanted chuck to say he planned it. the thing with the ex wife may be part of the scheme...maybe chuck did something similar then
John Henderson (NYC)
Just guessing here, but it must have something to do with the fact that a duplicate tape was made, and that Jimmy destroyed the duplicate.
Don (Ithaca)
I think Jimmy and Kim are going to make the case that Chuck is not mentally competent to live alone and that he needs to be put into assisted living or worse. Hence Mike taking pictures of hazardous living conditions like the gas lamp sitting newspapers. They will make the tradeoff with Chuck and Howard that they will drop their case if they don't pursue getting Jimmy disbarred.
CFXK (Washington, DC)
Also, I love the attention to detail that reflects and subtly comments upon our society and its practices. e.g., red-headed white kid who looks barely out of high school managing a group of hispanics who are all clearly older than him...
Neelie (Philadelphia, PA)
Bingo......Kim discovers Chuck has the original tape My guess is that Jimmy will have Mike steal it & replace it (with static) or maybe Jimmy singing "He's not heavy, he's my Brother"
Mike fixed the door, but took photos of the damaged door first. But, Mike also was taking photos of the entire place. I'm guessing that Jim/Kim will ask the NM Bar Assoc to suspend Chuck's license on the grounds of his irrational behavior. We all know that Jimmy aka Saul does NOT lose his license.
The "thing" Mike hands Jimmy & reference to address book I believe has to do with the ex-wife of Chuck. What did ever happen to her? I think we are all going to find out soon.
Kim has in the past participated in cons with Jimmy. But that is not what she is doing now. She hates that Chuck 'set up' Jimmy. So, she is playing Chuck's game, not Jimmy's game.
I disagree with your opinion of the opening scene. It helped explain why Hector HATES Gus. We all know why Gus HATES Hector.
VSB (<br/>)
Good Morning: About that photo of the lantern on top of a pile of newspapers; did anyone else wonder if it indicated a foreshadowing of Chuck's ultimate fate?
Into the Cool (NYC)
Was Kim saying Bingo a reference to her baiting Chuck into saying that the tape that Jimmy destroyed was a dupe of the original that he has under lock and key? Does making a copy suggest that Chuck was baiting Jimmy? Would that mitigate toward not losing a law license? What about Ernie? Would she bring him into the hearing to testify that Chuck used him to set up Jimmy and then Ernie was fired? Maybe Jimmy loses his license and asks Mike for a contact to get a new identity and then passes the bar under the Saul Goodman name? Do you have to go to law school to take the bar?
katie (home)
a new name would not affect disbarment... yes, have to go to law school
Nicole (Falls Church)
Perhaps the photo of the lantern on top of combustible newspapers will be one of several things that show Chuck to be incapable of living on his own.