Judge not that ye be not judged.
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And they still keep voting Republican.
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Chaffetz is just another example of a politician that is totally out of touch with the average citizen of this country. There is a need for communication -- most that I know do not have land lines anymore -- they are really a waste -- and it does save money on a monthly basis to not have a land line.
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Maybe a little off topic but I am reminded of my sociology class in the 70's that cited polls being taken by telephone which disenfranchised a large portion of the population that had no telephone.
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An iPhone–for anyone–is a luxury, not a necessity. Seems that more and more Americans have trouble distinguishing between these two categories.
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So Chaffetz. What possessed you to say this about phones and insurance choices? Are you really as big of a jerk as you come across as being? Being a republican politician explains some of it, but not all of it. Have you ever had to make important life choices? Again, being a republican, you'll say you have even if you haven't, but such is life in dealing with people like you. Someday, I really hope you need something that's important to you in your life. Shelter, food, medicine, care. I honestly hope you get it if you need it. You'd better hope you don't need help from a fellow republican like yourself; an uncaring, selfish miserable hypocrite that obviously thinks he's better than anyone else. You must be a good friend of that miserable fool in the White House. You're both just alike; arrogant and basically, just plain useless.
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Why have three kids if you can't afford health insurance? Seems irresponsible. Just saying.
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Tell me, who in this country has a right to procreate? Only middle class and upper class people who get insurance through their employers? Where will the next generation of low paid workers who keep this country running (and make YOUR life easier) come from? And who are you to decide who has a right to have children and who doesn't?
Health care is a right in civilized countries, not a privilege.
Health care is a right in civilized countries, not a privilege.
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@james - have all the children you want, just don't ask me to pay for them.
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Mavin, How about giving up whatever tax deductions you get? I pay my taxes. Why should my taxes subsidize your deductions?
This lack of caring about one another, of taking care of one another in the country, the absence of some sense of collective common good - in part by paying taxes so that people in need might be supported - is stunning.
Do your realize if we had a single payer system, with universal coverage, it would cost us less than health care does currently. And people would be healthier partly because the level of anxiety and fear (both individual and general) would be reduced, and that would benefit all us? Of course not. "Why should I pay for someone else?" ought to replace "E pluribus unum" as the national motto.
This lack of caring about one another, of taking care of one another in the country, the absence of some sense of collective common good - in part by paying taxes so that people in need might be supported - is stunning.
Do your realize if we had a single payer system, with universal coverage, it would cost us less than health care does currently. And people would be healthier partly because the level of anxiety and fear (both individual and general) would be reduced, and that would benefit all us? Of course not. "Why should I pay for someone else?" ought to replace "E pluribus unum" as the national motto.
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There are pay as you go plans starting at $10 a month. Seems crazy to me that this family is choosing to spend $1200 a year for the husband's cell phone, given what he earns.
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Maybe those 10 dollar per month plans don't give the family what they need. It's easy to judge when you aren't in their shoes.
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Ditto you! I happen to have an $18 phone I purchased outright and an average "pay as you go" phone bill of $14 monthly. Works for me! I usually don't answer it, but use it mostly for occasional texts and emergencies such phoning for roadside assistance (which is the main reason I even have the phone).
I would never operate this way if I had a spouse and children. That would be absurd. And I would be a fool to judge a family's needs against my own.
Chaffetz is a fool to think everyone is even in the financial position to choose between an iphone and insurance. I can afford neither.
I would never operate this way if I had a spouse and children. That would be absurd. And I would be a fool to judge a family's needs against my own.
Chaffetz is a fool to think everyone is even in the financial position to choose between an iphone and insurance. I can afford neither.
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Yes, people need that cellphone if they don't have access to the internet. Jobs are online, email is online, much of our communication today is online. We cannot, as we once used to, walk into a store or a company and fill out an application: we're directed to fill things out online. A cellphone, if the plan is adequate, allows us to do all those things and more. Basically, a cellphone is a portable computer. What's really disgusting though is that we can find cellphone plans we can afford but not health insurance we can afford.
Once again, having health insurance doesn't equal being able to get the health care one needs when one needs it. Health care is what the conversation should be about. Health insurance in America is a waste of taxpayer dollars. We'd do better having a VAT tax or having employers take the money they spend on us for health insurance send it to the federal government to fund a good health CARE system. We wouldn't have to worry each time we see our doctor that a test or the lab isn't covered, that the hospital is in network but the doctors aren't, that we're being balance billed when we aren't supposed to be.
Our country has made getting health care so difficult that it virtually ensures patients will not get the care they need, that follow up care won't happen, and that the whole process is so aggravating that people won't go until they're nearly dead. Of course if that's what the GOP wants they're doing the right thing.
Once again, having health insurance doesn't equal being able to get the health care one needs when one needs it. Health care is what the conversation should be about. Health insurance in America is a waste of taxpayer dollars. We'd do better having a VAT tax or having employers take the money they spend on us for health insurance send it to the federal government to fund a good health CARE system. We wouldn't have to worry each time we see our doctor that a test or the lab isn't covered, that the hospital is in network but the doctors aren't, that we're being balance billed when we aren't supposed to be.
Our country has made getting health care so difficult that it virtually ensures patients will not get the care they need, that follow up care won't happen, and that the whole process is so aggravating that people won't go until they're nearly dead. Of course if that's what the GOP wants they're doing the right thing.
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Just imagine if the President said to these people, "if you looked at their cable bill, their telephone, their cell phone bill-it may turn out that, it's just they haven't prioritized health care.". President Obama said that at a town meeting in March of 2014!
In terms of this article, the Hunter's state many reasons why they don't purchase health care.
1." ...their $1800 monthly income to buy diapers..." Are they buying diapers for their 3 year old. Maybe time to potty train him.
2. "it pains Anthony to be away from his children" For many generations, working parents did not receive texts with photos of their children playing. Without sounding too harsh, grow up and be a man!
3. "He sends her inspirational quotes" Could not just tell in person when he gets home?
4. "...she updates her husband about filing their tax return" Again, you can talk about that when you are together.
Honestly, how is Anthony Hunter suppose to work with all of these interuptions?
Jose comments that he wouldn't be able to look up ...engine modifications" for his job. What did Jose do before he had a cell phone? He is 61. Jose's wife wouldn't be able to send photos to her family in Mexico. Oh the horrors! What about sending them via email?
Joana would not be able to look at job postings or check whether she should bring home food for her 18 year old son. Her son texts her to remind her to get quarters for their laundry machine.
Maybe President Obama was right. Just saying...
In terms of this article, the Hunter's state many reasons why they don't purchase health care.
1." ...their $1800 monthly income to buy diapers..." Are they buying diapers for their 3 year old. Maybe time to potty train him.
2. "it pains Anthony to be away from his children" For many generations, working parents did not receive texts with photos of their children playing. Without sounding too harsh, grow up and be a man!
3. "He sends her inspirational quotes" Could not just tell in person when he gets home?
4. "...she updates her husband about filing their tax return" Again, you can talk about that when you are together.
Honestly, how is Anthony Hunter suppose to work with all of these interuptions?
Jose comments that he wouldn't be able to look up ...engine modifications" for his job. What did Jose do before he had a cell phone? He is 61. Jose's wife wouldn't be able to send photos to her family in Mexico. Oh the horrors! What about sending them via email?
Joana would not be able to look at job postings or check whether she should bring home food for her 18 year old son. Her son texts her to remind her to get quarters for their laundry machine.
Maybe President Obama was right. Just saying...
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Forgot to say. Shari needs to get a job. There is no excuse for only making 1500-1800 a month.
Anyone can get a job at Wal-Mart, get your health insurance for cheap and in a couple years move up to management. Its not a matter of jobs, its a matter of will. Or go back to school and improve your self. People of these income levels get school practically for free.
Sorry people many of the poor are poor because they are lazy.
Anyone can get a job at Wal-Mart, get your health insurance for cheap and in a couple years move up to management. Its not a matter of jobs, its a matter of will. Or go back to school and improve your self. People of these income levels get school practically for free.
Sorry people many of the poor are poor because they are lazy.
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Wow! Two realists in a row. Where am I again?
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Chavez is ignorant; cell phones are already helping people improve their health at reduced cost. I use my iPhone as a pedometer, and also use nutrition apps to track my eating. I use the health benefits to justify the enormous, absurdly ridiculous amount that I fork over to AT&T every month, and I do it to try and REDUCE my long term health care costs by using apps to enhance my health.
The fact is that Chavez sets up a false choice between communication and health; the two are intricately related in ways that he does not seem to grasp.
In addition, both telecom and health insurance companies are basically taxpayer-funded monopolies in the U.S. Both are expensive because Congress has been feckless in addressing very real problems related to monopolies.
The fact is that Chavez sets up a false choice between communication and health; the two are intricately related in ways that he does not seem to grasp.
In addition, both telecom and health insurance companies are basically taxpayer-funded monopolies in the U.S. Both are expensive because Congress has been feckless in addressing very real problems related to monopolies.
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Chaffetz needs to learn basic math. It would take 25 iPhone payments per month to equal one month of my healthcare premium. And that's before I make the first doctor visit.
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I apologize for my previous post full of grammar and spelling mistakes. Reading such outlandish statements from Chaffetz, Republicans on the Sunday Shows and Trump's Twitter feed have all added to my mental depression, confusion (disbelief) and outrage.
Does the NYT have any data on increased rates of mental illness or anxiety as a result of the political nonsense we are going through? I depend on my iPhone for my mental health and distraction (meditation apps, music, etc.) from clowns like POTUS and Chaffetz. Anyone know of a Politician-Crush app game out there?
Does the NYT have any data on increased rates of mental illness or anxiety as a result of the political nonsense we are going through? I depend on my iPhone for my mental health and distraction (meditation apps, music, etc.) from clowns like POTUS and Chaffetz. Anyone know of a Politician-Crush app game out there?
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They also seem to be getting their clothing at actual stores and not GoodWill. Not to mention the top-notch plastic cup, container, and straws,...I'm observing.
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"Let them eat cake!"
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I am beginning to hate human beings- particularly the GOP kind. For me, it is Strictly Dogs and Flowers from now on.
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The article explains that these lower income folks are paying $30 to $100/month for their phone plans. But there are some very inexpensive non-data phone plans out there, starting as low as $3/month (which includes 30 minutes/month of talk time or 30 texts, and then it's 10 cents per minute or text after that). I would recommend anyone in a lower income group to consider those non-data alternatives. A person's health is much more important than being able to talk on the phone for non-emergency reasons, and $1,200/year might be able to put to better use.
And no disrespect to anyone, but I was wondering why someone who works at a call center needs a cell phone to call his wife? I can only assume it's because his employer doesn't let him use the work phone even during breaks?
And no disrespect to anyone, but I was wondering why someone who works at a call center needs a cell phone to call his wife? I can only assume it's because his employer doesn't let him use the work phone even during breaks?
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A phone is the main data device for many people. They use that device to access all the same information you do-- job info, news, transportation info, etc. Without a phone, they would need home wifi service and a laptop, which would not be cheaper than a phone with a decent data plan.
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I get unlimited talk/text/3GB of data for $27/month via H2O wireless. Base rate is $30/month, with 10% discount if charged automatically to a credit or debit card.
True, but for the most part, the article didn't evidence that that's what the people are using their phones for. Rather, they're being used for calls & texts. Much information can be obtained over the free TV airwaves, and internet access may be available at community centers or libraries. Remember the old days only a couple decades ago where the human race somehow survived without cell phones and internet?
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BTW, I haven't seen the commercials that a family could obtain Health Insurance for the cost of an IPhone?
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It seems strange to me, hearing the "practical" business-minded people here, commenting how we can't afford to have any help for families that can't afford health insurance, or how people like these should not have iPhones (or cars, perhaps), or certainly such luxuries as children. When I'd think they'd be howling at a system that is paying twice as much for health care than other advanced nations while getting no better outcomes than they do. Really, we have a clearly inferior, overly expensive, rotten system, and these supposedly economy-minded people think that ordering low-income people not to have cell phones or children is the issue. How blind can you be. It must be that; it couldn't be stupidity, could it?
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Jason Chaffetz is either:
1. A clueless fool.
2. A sadistic sociopath.
Since I try to believe the best of people, I lean towards #1.
1. A clueless fool.
2. A sadistic sociopath.
Since I try to believe the best of people, I lean towards #1.
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Arent the hunters just the exact demograhic that put Trump on power in the first place? I find it difficult not to be callous to these people right now.
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Instead of vilifying everyone who voted for Donald Trump, how about putting some blame on the Democratic Party and its supporters for their short-sightedness in nominating HRC as their representative in lieu of someone who could have defeated him?
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What part of their assessment is "Vilifying",.. their demographic, their last name?
Dems should've nominated someone to garner 4million more votes?
Dems should've nominated someone to garner 4million more votes?
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reply to Michael: Surely you jest? People did not have to be *in love* with Hillary Clinton to vote for her. People who voted for Donald Trump were just stupid- period.
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In the aftermath of the "2008 Great Republican Recession," where 6,000,000 Americans lost their good-paying jobs, millions more lost their homes, thousands of businesses failed, hundreds of banks went insolvent, and any American with investment lost 40-50% of that value, we have Conservatives today attacking poor families. In fact, the Conservative Party continues to be the crew that puts people INTO poverty, and then, once there.. ignores them. We have people making comments from Manhattan, New York City (of all places) insulting and vilifying this hard working family in Utah. These folks say that the poor should not own a cell phone, any phone. In the story it clearly identifies the phone as a SAMSUNG with a cracked screen. Not a brand-new iPhone. Again, we have Republicans lying and putting forth both a pejorative and racist narrative about the poor. Read the story! The father is hard-working and drives a long way to get to his job, and took classes to improve his chances at landing a better job! These folks are not lazy. They are hard working. The photo depicts a modest kitchen, and not what a Manhattan, NYC commentor suggests is a lavish lifestyle. Finally, we're reminded of what the Conservatives did after they punted their fiasco in 2008, the largest economic catastrophe in United States history, second only to the Great Depression: Do nothing, and let the bottom happen. My god, what a vision of pain.
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Telling people that a cell phone is some type of luxury that they should choose to give up is like telling people in the 1930 that they should 'choose' not to have electricity to tighten their belts. For many cell phones are their only phone, internet, computer, way to apply for jobs, check on latch-key children etc. And says nothing about how giving up a $50-100 cell phone bill will cover a $1,500 health insurance bill?
Fundamental problem is that a family plan health insurance costs more than millions of working people make. No "giving up" will cover that simple arithmetic.
Fundamental problem is that a family plan health insurance costs more than millions of working people make. No "giving up" will cover that simple arithmetic.
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This administration makes me glad that I'm no longer young, glad that I only have a few more years to go. But I'll be hissing and spitting the whole way down. RESIST!!
Write to your representatives - this is a great way to get it done.
https://democracy.io/#!/#%2F
Write to your representatives - this is a great way to get it done.
https://democracy.io/#!/#%2F
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BTW, are they spending their anniversaries at McDonalds or Red Lobster?
The answer better have a DriveThru, a Clown, and SuperSized Option!!!
With their kids, mind you.
The answer better have a DriveThru, a Clown, and SuperSized Option!!!
With their kids, mind you.
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With Republican Christianity, Jesus loves only the 1% and white male NRA members.
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Absent from ObamacareRepeal talk is any attempt at controlling Cost.
The Government keeps turning a blind eye at the Price gouging of the consumer despite all the government subsidies that helps drive up the cost of Health care.
The Republicans keep claiming cynically that the free market will resolve the cost issue but they will not allow the flow of cheaper drugs from Canada or Europe.
The Government keeps turning a blind eye at the Price gouging of the consumer despite all the government subsidies that helps drive up the cost of Health care.
The Republicans keep claiming cynically that the free market will resolve the cost issue but they will not allow the flow of cheaper drugs from Canada or Europe.
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Tracfone,Cricket, Netphone and other such phones are extremely cheap and offer at least phone and text for $10-20 a month over a year, many have smart capabilities as well. You pay only what you use and the phone (around $35).
If a smart phone is needed for work then the workplace should pay for and maintain it (an ongoing task of annoying complexity).
It amazes me that smartphones are so popular, so expensive and so unreliable. The phones may be smart but consumers are not.
If a smart phone is needed for work then the workplace should pay for and maintain it (an ongoing task of annoying complexity).
It amazes me that smartphones are so popular, so expensive and so unreliable. The phones may be smart but consumers are not.
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Here's a quiz for Mr. Chafetz: How many iPhones does it take to pay for insurance for a family of four, for the typical lifespan of said phones (i.e., a few years)? Roll in the deductibles and copays they will be paying over that period as well, on average.
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The courts have ruled that the internet is a utility, not a luxury, and until the Trump administration reversed, many major providers were scheduled to provide free or reduced price services to lower-income families - much as the FCC has required such service provision for phone access in the past. The Congressman can distract by suggesting that his poor constituents are making poor money management decisions by electing to pay for a smart phone, but in truth it's more of a necessity for them than for higher income individuals who also likely have land lines, home computers and greater ability to be tracked down during the day via a work phone.
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Mr.Chaffetz should buy a plunger to keep in his mouth so that he doesn't disrespect his constituents. Some of these Republicans make disparaging remarks about their supporters which will cost them come the next election. Chaffetz needs to chut up.
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Such is the level of discourse that we've been reduced to.
Phones vs Insurance.
To borrow from another commentator a few weeks ago:
"Any society that doesn't provide universal education and universal healthcare is morally bankrupt."
Is this not so?
Phones vs Insurance.
To borrow from another commentator a few weeks ago:
"Any society that doesn't provide universal education and universal healthcare is morally bankrupt."
Is this not so?
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This article is very sad. But, they prioritized having children and staying in place, which are definitely valuable, although not in a cash way, over education and moving. I agree that an iphone (which they don't have anyway) isn't the difference here.
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Perhaps it can be implemented if the (working) Poor Call 911, if it's from an IPhone they can be billed an additional SurCharge?
That'll show 'em.
That'll show 'em.
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Chaffetz' comment was punitive, folks. Pejorative. Conservatives denigrate the poor, or recently made poor (2008 Recession) as almost a knee-jerk reflex. Republicans believe everyone can "pull themselves up by their own boot straps" even when there are no jobs available, especially in small towns with only one industry. The fact that most poor are White, is even more ironic. These poor-Whites, many without college degrees, were the ones who elected Trump, the party that Chaffetz belongs too. So, forget trying to explain the reality of the need for a cell phone, here. The GOP know what they are doing. They're simply issuing derogatory insults to a constituency they never cared much for. See: Tom Price's Health Care Plan that 'block grants' Medicaid to the states, thus kicking off the estimated 10-15 million poor from the insurance rolls. Insurance? The poor don't need that, some Republicans would say. Nor do they need cell phones. I guess it's time for them to find a boot strap?
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I don't agree with what Chaffetz is saying. This issue is much more complex that he's presenting; but, the individuals in this article only help his cause!
In the aftermath of 2008 financial crisis, Obama who was just then elected president, told Americans to spend money judiciously and not waste by going to places like Las Vegas. The left did not have a problem with that stupid admonition but seems to be all over Jason for suggesting that if you have more days left at the end of your monthly income, then, maybe, don't buy that new-spangled iPhone 7 if you have an otherwise working phone.
Liberal hypocrisy is mind-altering, and more potent than the drugs.
Liberal hypocrisy is mind-altering, and more potent than the drugs.
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You seem to be accepting Chaffetz's assumption that everyone who doesn't have a job that offers health insurance and gets any government help paying for their healthcare has an I-Phone. Most people have/need a phone of some kind and the data show that most Americans on low to middle income get the cheapest phone and service they can...not a new I-Phone. The phone and service I have costs less than the cheapest (not cheap) landline I can get.
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As per usual, the GOP shows little capacity to deal with the real, complex issues of our times. They did not deal with Healthcare during the Bush years. Their goal during the Obama years was simply to have the country fail, rather than care about the American people. Shame on them.
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It would be wonderful if legislators had to buy their health insurance out in the marketplace. ( and their aides couldn't do it for them ) . I think we would have a single payer system sooner than it is ultimately going to happen anyway.
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I have the unfortunate luck of being one of Mr. Chaffetz' constituents, though he has yet to represent me or my family a single day he has held office. So when I heard his denigrating comment regarding iPhones and Healthcare, well, that's par for Mr. Chaffetz...he truly is THAT out of touch.
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Phones are considered utilities which means they are necessary. Our government doesn't think healthcare is important at all unless you are a congressperson and then you get the full works for nothing but you are supposed to pay but they don't. Let's take alll the perks away from Congress and see how happy they are.
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Have you noticed that Trumpcare also protects the Drug manufactures?
There is NO provision in Trumpcare to open American markets to the ability to purchase prescription drugs on the world markets. No, the republicans are keeping America closed so that the drug makers can continue to rake in Billions $$ of Dollars in profits off of Americans while the rest of the world pays much less for each prescription.
Tom Price was on Meet the Price and Gary Cohn, Trump's chief economic adviser, was on with Chris Wallace and both spoke of the republican "holy promise" of "Access."
Every last person in the U.S. now has "access" to doctors, hospitals, health care, so that's not a big deal. Trumpcare, the republican destruction of the Affordable Care Act and Medicaid will see to it that while "access" remains, Millions of Americans will no longer have the financial ability to actually have health insurance.
The republicans need to pass Trumpcare so they can give Billions of $$ Dollars in Medical Care Tax Cuts to the wealthy, even before they give more Billions of $$ Dollars in Income Tax Cuts to the Wealthy. See, in the republican mind, the wealthy are much more deserving of additional wealth than Average Americans are of having a health care plan. To republicans it's just simple: wealthy deserve more wealth.
There is NO provision in Trumpcare to open American markets to the ability to purchase prescription drugs on the world markets. No, the republicans are keeping America closed so that the drug makers can continue to rake in Billions $$ of Dollars in profits off of Americans while the rest of the world pays much less for each prescription.
Tom Price was on Meet the Price and Gary Cohn, Trump's chief economic adviser, was on with Chris Wallace and both spoke of the republican "holy promise" of "Access."
Every last person in the U.S. now has "access" to doctors, hospitals, health care, so that's not a big deal. Trumpcare, the republican destruction of the Affordable Care Act and Medicaid will see to it that while "access" remains, Millions of Americans will no longer have the financial ability to actually have health insurance.
The republicans need to pass Trumpcare so they can give Billions of $$ Dollars in Medical Care Tax Cuts to the wealthy, even before they give more Billions of $$ Dollars in Income Tax Cuts to the Wealthy. See, in the republican mind, the wealthy are much more deserving of additional wealth than Average Americans are of having a health care plan. To republicans it's just simple: wealthy deserve more wealth.
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Considering that the latest number I read indicates it costs 250,000 to raise a child, this couple will spend $750,000 producing kids. I have REAL limited sympathy. I chose not to produce children so that I would not be in this situation ever.
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Yet you'll benefit from those kids covering your social security.
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Nonsense, Harry. We childfree are the net payers, contributing for decades to myriad programs that exclude us, plus SS and Medicare.
And whose to say those kids won't end up on the mooch just like their parents?
And whose to say those kids won't end up on the mooch just like their parents?
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Oh...the way I paid for others?
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"Healthcare needs to be made affordable, but you cannot get everything you want in life simply by voting for others to pay for it.Healthcare needs to be made affordable, but you cannot get everything you want in life simply by voting for others to pay for it."
sure you can until the others run out of money.
Argentina voted that way and ended up withe election of Juan Peron.
Venezuela voted that way and ended up with chavez and maduro.
in both cases the countries ended up bankrupt and with hyperinflation.
bankrupt Detroit and Puerto Rico are the tip of the iceberg.
sure you can until the others run out of money.
Argentina voted that way and ended up withe election of Juan Peron.
Venezuela voted that way and ended up with chavez and maduro.
in both cases the countries ended up bankrupt and with hyperinflation.
bankrupt Detroit and Puerto Rico are the tip of the iceberg.
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Other nations, and plenty of them--the civilized nations, you might say--have their citizens covered at half our costs, and better health outcomes than ours. So stop the cherry-picking and take a look at the way other nations succeed where we are clearly failing.
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Chaffetz is clueless. He and others in government live in a cocoon and have no idea what goes on outside their sphere. Those of us who interact on a daily basis with real Americans know that the cell phone has replaced the land line for many. Still others don’t have computers in their homes and the only way to access the internet is thru their cell phones.
He needs to do some research on the phone “We the People” pay for as one of the perks of his job before making such absurd comments. Had he googled “American landlines” he would have found articles that discuss the results of the National Health Interview Survey released in December of 2015 by the National Center for Health Statistics which if I understand correctly is part of the CDC. According to the survey almost 47.4% of American homes use only wireless phones. But then these are pesky statistics done by those government agencies the Republicans want to get rid of.
Another Republican who showed no understanding of this trend was Rep. Bucshon. He stated “We don't want people to make choices in their life having to choose health care and leaving out other parts of their life that everyone else enjoys.”
It seems to me that the cell phone is not just something that provides enjoyment nor is it a luxury item for the few. It has become a necessity for many Americans; including me.
See:
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/wireless201512.pdf
www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/jason-chaffetz-health-care-iphones/
He needs to do some research on the phone “We the People” pay for as one of the perks of his job before making such absurd comments. Had he googled “American landlines” he would have found articles that discuss the results of the National Health Interview Survey released in December of 2015 by the National Center for Health Statistics which if I understand correctly is part of the CDC. According to the survey almost 47.4% of American homes use only wireless phones. But then these are pesky statistics done by those government agencies the Republicans want to get rid of.
Another Republican who showed no understanding of this trend was Rep. Bucshon. He stated “We don't want people to make choices in their life having to choose health care and leaving out other parts of their life that everyone else enjoys.”
It seems to me that the cell phone is not just something that provides enjoyment nor is it a luxury item for the few. It has become a necessity for many Americans; including me.
See:
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/wireless201512.pdf
www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/jason-chaffetz-health-care-iphones/
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The cavalier and dismissive attitude of the current administration is beyond unconscionable. Chaffetz's mindless, insensitive remark illustrates the dangerous mindset of the swamp .
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Just a reminder. The combination of voter apathy (90 million eligible did not vote) the energized racists and millennials throwing their tantrum because Sanders did not get the nomination, moved us from a position wher the Democrats would have kept the White Houes and regained the Senate to the disaster now upon us.
Many of those impacted as described in this article deserve exactly what they are going to get under this government.
Many of those impacted as described in this article deserve exactly what they are going to get under this government.
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Just let them eat Twinkies!!......(and sell the diabetes medicine, later).......I guess the Republicans are all about individual choices......they just want them all to be on a bad menu....
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Bravo France for your well regulated semi-free-market capitalism.We're still stuck with our government supported monopolies circa 1900s here in the US!
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The financial burden is a consequence of having three kids. The Mormon church isn't real big on family planning.
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This exemplifies everything that's wrong with Republican thinking. Isolate these folks, cut off their communications, make modern life impossible. Chaffetz and his party's leadership deserve to be tarred, feathered and run out of the country on a rail - preferably dumped in Mexico, where they'll get the reception they deserve.
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Yes Mr Chaffetz, mobile phones used to be a luxury item. In the 70s. Are you Another Confused Republican ?
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I have yet to hear Jason Chaffetz utter one statement that would give me cause to understand how ANYONE would vote for him... how is it possible this man was just re-elected to a fifth term ?
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Why not put a clause in your HealthCare Coverage Bill for folks to turn-in their IPhones and cars for HealthCare Coverage?
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Everyone should be aware of Jason Chaffetz's background as a fraudster. He spent ten years working for Nu Skin, an Amway type operation that is basically a fraud. Talking ignorant people into giving the wealthy top executives like him their money for nothing in return.
The Trump administration is all about fraud - from Betsy DeVos to Trump to Chaffetz it's all about lies and more lies. We aren't citizens to them; we're chumps waiting and needing to be defrauded.
The Trump administration is all about fraud - from Betsy DeVos to Trump to Chaffetz it's all about lies and more lies. We aren't citizens to them; we're chumps waiting and needing to be defrauded.
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OK, Mr Chaffetz - try making a doctor's appointment without your third hand iPhone 4? What choice will you give us next year? Invest in new breaks on our clunker or health care? How low do you want us to go? Mr. Chaffetz, go drown in your own swamp. We are too busy surviving out here without you putting your boot of choice on our neck.
The choice is not between health coverage and an iPhone. It is the Republicans' choice - "collective responsibility"? - between helping their individual citizens obtain health coverage or sacrifice 1,000 citizens for every few extra foot of their wealthy patron's yacht.
Taking health care away from others to give tax giveaways to those with the most ever in the history of our planet. It's the Chaffetz way. It's the GOP way. You people are morally depraved and sick with no cure for your disease. Even sicker is that your party leader and phony POTUS uses a cellphone to Tweet the country into disarray and disaster.
The choice is not between health coverage and an iPhone. It is the Republicans' choice - "collective responsibility"? - between helping their individual citizens obtain health coverage or sacrifice 1,000 citizens for every few extra foot of their wealthy patron's yacht.
Taking health care away from others to give tax giveaways to those with the most ever in the history of our planet. It's the Chaffetz way. It's the GOP way. You people are morally depraved and sick with no cure for your disease. Even sicker is that your party leader and phony POTUS uses a cellphone to Tweet the country into disarray and disaster.
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More false equivalence. At least in the cellphone arena, I can easily get a decent new smartphone for under $ 150 and good service for under $50/month. Healthcare? All bets are off, and the situation is about to get worse. BTW how are you going to even contact your doctor if you have no phone/Internet? Remember that many many people have no actual "home phone" these days.
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A family member out walking in rural area stepped in a hole and badly sprained ankle. A cell phone would have really helped! Luckily a young man in a pickup truck saw her and stopped, and luckily he was a fine upstanding young man and he drove her home. Now she carries a cell phone and pays for it.
Mr. Chaffetz, it isn't a luxury.
Mr. Chaffetz, it isn't a luxury.
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Cellphone, schmellphone. Kids, it wasn't so long ago that cellphones didn't exist, and we got along just fine somehow. Just as we managed to survive in the days before indoor plumbing, public education, electricity, shoes, cooking, money, etc. Kidding on that last one, everyone needs money, right? Although some of us need and deserve it a lot more than the rest of you lazy non-billionaires.
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The simple and frightening question I would be asking myself right now is: If I go to prison, do I get access to cheap, affordable healthcare??...
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I grew up in the 1940s and 1950s. We had no phone. When something important enough came up to use one, we went to the corner drugstore and use the one there. If we wanted to send someone a picture, we took it with a camera and mailed it to them. (We did not have a backlog of 20,000 photos stored in our phones.) We did not have to check in three times a day during breaks to see how the kids were, not did we have to get hold of them while they were in school; if a REAL emergency came up, we just went over to the school and took them out. We didn't even have a refrigerator, just an ice box with huge chunks of ice delivered three times a week. Guess what? My family was working class, BUT NOT POOR; we just had not accustomed ourselves to such nonsense as I see in much of this article, and spent what income we had for true necessities - rent, food, clothing. This article may not have been meant to stir the emotions, but it stirred mine as to how people come to depend on such things in lieu of other things that should be much more important to them (like health care).
PS: I do have a computer, but am still perfectly happy with my landline phone. It doesn't take selfies, but I'm hardly worth seeing at this stage of my life.
PS: I do have a computer, but am still perfectly happy with my landline phone. It doesn't take selfies, but I'm hardly worth seeing at this stage of my life.
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Ummmm try finding a pay phone these days, the " neighborhood" school you could just walk over to disappeared in the 60s, and the majority of us are 2 working parents- I could never just saunter out of my job, and walk over to my kids school- I would've been fired- and my jobs have always been over 30 miles from home.
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I am a dog walker. Without a cell phone, I wouldn't have a job at all.
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Oneof the biggest problems with healthcare and insurance is people think they are the same. You need insurance for a cataspophic sitution - so you're not on the hook for hundreds of 1000s or even millions of dollars. But some people think insurance means all you can eat on demand healthcare (go to the doctor for every cold, cough, and splinter) for a few hundred dollars a month. A lot of old people (especially those who did not save for old age) think they should get free or low cost healthcare simply because they're old as if getting old is some great feat. And a lot women (mostly poor) think having a baby is great feat and the kids deserve healthcare.
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The kids do deserve health care and so do we. We (generally) want all kids to grow up healthy and contribute (may be) as working adults. It reduces the risk of additional societal costs, if children and young adults get a good education. Cost-effective programs prevent kids from dropping out of school/getting into accidents while skipping school/become addicted to drugs at age 12/get pregnant/raped at young ages. Moreover, are you implying that rich women do not find having a child is a great/joyful feat? I am sorry to hear that. One hopes that Ivanka finds joy and love in her family as much as a poor woman working at McDo's. Incidentally, most people really prefer to stay away from doctors and overcrowded waiting rooms filled with people with, for example, influenza or worse, TB, which is returning in force.
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The primary reason the free market is championed by many, especially Trump supporters, is that it confirms their strongly held belief that the deserving should not be supporting the undeserving. The problem with this, as we are finding out in the health care debate, is that many of the "undeserving" are not just the "Welfare Queens" from the Reagan era, but solid, GOP-voting families in communities like Provo, Utah.
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Cell phones, health insurance etc etc .
Lots of things cost money .... One idea that I don't see written much about is the economic decision to have a child and the costs that are displaced to others who then financially support people (ie through the subsides of the ACA) who make the choice to have children they can't afford.
I make this statement as a doctor who is generally supportive of the ACA and as someone who has chosen to have one child in order to stay within my financial means.
Lots of things cost money .... One idea that I don't see written much about is the economic decision to have a child and the costs that are displaced to others who then financially support people (ie through the subsides of the ACA) who make the choice to have children they can't afford.
I make this statement as a doctor who is generally supportive of the ACA and as someone who has chosen to have one child in order to stay within my financial means.
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I could have sworn that the market was making cell phones a lot more affordable- you might want to compare service vs inflation to verify that.
But does this mean that a smart phone will be the new "right"?
But does this mean that a smart phone will be the new "right"?
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Telephone service is no longer a luxury just as air travel isn't. Most of the world's population have access to CHEAP cell phones and service; America? Telecommunication services should be a regulated business with teeth. No more Breakups then mega mergers; MA Bell-BABY Bells- AT&T , Sprint, Verizon and god knows who else. A piece of hardware typically costs 300-500% retail markup. The monthly plans are outrageous too. Why? Profit or course.
Many-poor individuals cannot afford a separate computer so the cell phone becomes their "computer". Personally, I have a Flip-phone and pre-paid service. My phone is used to "dial and talk". I don't need it telling me when to turn on my lights or feed the dog or where to buy gas; but many have gotten accustomed to the bells & whistles.
The comparison though- between buying a cell phone and health insurance is- of course specious. But we should expect nothing less than Republicans when trying to CYA by supporting a healthcare plan they would never wish upon their own families.
Many-poor individuals cannot afford a separate computer so the cell phone becomes their "computer". Personally, I have a Flip-phone and pre-paid service. My phone is used to "dial and talk". I don't need it telling me when to turn on my lights or feed the dog or where to buy gas; but many have gotten accustomed to the bells & whistles.
The comparison though- between buying a cell phone and health insurance is- of course specious. But we should expect nothing less than Republicans when trying to CYA by supporting a healthcare plan they would never wish upon their own families.
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In a comment here, Rebecca from Salt Lake notes that Republican Chaffetz lacks a sense of integrity, decency, and common sense. They all do.
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You can take away my health care and my tasty icecream cone,
But do not ever try to take away my Samsung phone!
Take away my food stamps till my hands are cold and boney,
Just stay away from my fliptop that comes direct from Sony!
Just how would YOU survive if your own iPhone went away?
I bet you, Jason CHaffetz, that you’d cry the livelong day!
So don’t tell me I’m choosing tween my healthcare and Blackberry;
You cannot keep a job without a cell phone, you dumb wherry!
But do not ever try to take away my Samsung phone!
Take away my food stamps till my hands are cold and boney,
Just stay away from my fliptop that comes direct from Sony!
Just how would YOU survive if your own iPhone went away?
I bet you, Jason CHaffetz, that you’d cry the livelong day!
So don’t tell me I’m choosing tween my healthcare and Blackberry;
You cannot keep a job without a cell phone, you dumb wherry!
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Agree with JoelK....
If the Representative and his associates would take it upon themselves to provide governance.... they would breakup the monopolies of the mobile phone empires.... akin to the breakup of the telephone dynasties about five decades ago!
One vital step to do this would to eliminate lobbyist influence first. But do you think that will happen based on the current system? Corrupt as it gets!
If the Representative and his associates would take it upon themselves to provide governance.... they would breakup the monopolies of the mobile phone empires.... akin to the breakup of the telephone dynasties about five decades ago!
One vital step to do this would to eliminate lobbyist influence first. But do you think that will happen based on the current system? Corrupt as it gets!
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About years ago on Bonnie Erbe's "To the Contrary" broadcast, they were discussing "Welfare, SNAP, WIC" etc.
Both sides agreed on two things, that there needs to be a review where more and more children enter a household already in this situation.
The second was, that if you go into this type of home your will find a flat panel TV, a gaming system of some type and smart phones. Their obvious meaning was where did that money come from.
If you are unfamiliar with the show, it is all women with two from the left and two from the right.
Emergency type cell phone's are available for people ho can not afford regular rates. Their use may be limited to keeping contact and for emergencies, but they do exist.
I may not agree with the phrasing but it is true, as with our government, first handle the true requirements and add what frosting you can.
Both sides agreed on two things, that there needs to be a review where more and more children enter a household already in this situation.
The second was, that if you go into this type of home your will find a flat panel TV, a gaming system of some type and smart phones. Their obvious meaning was where did that money come from.
If you are unfamiliar with the show, it is all women with two from the left and two from the right.
Emergency type cell phone's are available for people ho can not afford regular rates. Their use may be limited to keeping contact and for emergencies, but they do exist.
I may not agree with the phrasing but it is true, as with our government, first handle the true requirements and add what frosting you can.
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$400 for a car payment? Are you serious? I'm upper middle class and I wouldn't dream of spending almost 30% if my income on a car. $100 a month for a phone? You can get a prepaid phone that costs a lot less. It's not a choice between a car and no car, or a phone and no phone, it's a choice between getting what you need, and getting what you want. People always have the money when it comes to getting what they want, and in the end, there's never enough to get what they need. It's all about priorities. I've never owned a new car. I didn't get a smart phone until 2015 and still, it was under 75 bucks when I did. I constantly try to figure out how to reduce my bills by switching service providers, monitoring usage, etc. I shop around for car insurance every time it comes up. If it came down to driving (which is enormously expensive even for a cheapskate) and having insurance, I'd get the insurance every time and ride the bus and/or walk to get where I was going. The authors of pieces like this want us to feel bad for people; people who made bad choices. I don't feel bad when I read that they're spending $400 of a $1300 monthly income on a car. I feel angry that I scrimp and save and politicians want to raid my savings to assist someone who doesn't even bother trying.
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Ok, but, even if they did what you do they aren't going to be able to afford insurance with what they save. As far as the car payment, loans for those with bad credit are expensive and you can only buy late model cars with loans.
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I agree that these taxes should come from the .01 percent, not the upper middle class.
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well....maybe these white, trump/chaffetz voting, mormon, republicans, should not have had three children if earning $13 an hour is the best they can do. maybe this family should have used their smart phone to do a little more research into the candidates that they chose to vote for.
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Perhaps, in your opinion, this couple shouldn't have had children because of their low earnings. So, you punish their kids, by not providing them adequate healthcare? Your lack of empathy for these kids is scary.
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So proper family planning and living within your means results in punishing your kids? Not in my world; there is no right to have kids you cannot afford.
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The parents who can't afford the kids are ones punishing the kids. Not taxpayers like me who want to take care of ourselves and our families. I did not have more kids than I could afford and ask others to care for them.
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By revealing his lack of intellect, Jason Chaffetz has ensured his reelection among Americans who think as poorly and prejudicial as himself.
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Chaffetz continually wins re-election by 40-50 points, if the folks in Utah don't like his arrogant, non caring attitude they can vote him out of office. However, he knows that will never happen, he knows there will be no accountability at the ballot box. As the saying goes, you get the government you deserve.
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As part of costing out legislation, the Congressional Budget Office should be informing each congressional representative how legislation impacts median income households in their respective districts. This information should be widely disseminated within each district. Examining legislation on a macro scale alone clearly does not give our representatives a sense of the consequences for their invisible constituents, who, in most cases, would be anyone who isn't a big donor or a firmly entrenched in their echo chamber.
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The fact that everything now is all relative to an iPhone is the most unsettling thing about this statement. That's now the only reality? Sad, such a waste of real reality. All I can say is, don't lose your charger cord, otherwise it's all over.
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What we are looking at is the difference between Obamacare, an attempt at leveling a system that we are all engaged in at one time or another and making it fair versus Trumpscare, an attempt to return power to the private sector to make money while saying free markets will lower costs. Both systems are rigged, Obamacare towards socialism and Trumpscare is rigged in favor of capitalism. Unfortunately it is not as simple as that. The free market is not free and is always rigged in favor of business while healthcare should not be regarded as a money making enterprise. This country very early on opted for free primary and secondary education. Yes, there were schools that you could pay a fee and receive something more, but the majority attended public schools and received a decent education. It should be the same for health care. What Trumpscare will do is throw this assumption on it's head and serve as the precursor to change all public benefits as fee for service options. Business will benefit while the people lose.
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Rep. Chaffetz's assertion is a straw man argument. It's easy for everyone to desire health insurance coverage - in Utah where family size tends to be larger than the national average, making sure infants, neo-natal care, toddlers, and teens are covered makes for a healthier society. However, when Chaffetz gives people a choice of cell phone coverage versus health care coverage, he misleads people to believe that is the only choice on the table.
The changes to ACA advanced by Paul Ryan (supported by Chaffetz) transfer the cost of health care to the vast numbers of Americans who are uninsured or under-insured from the relatively small numbers of very wealthy Americans who can easily afford health insurance. The re-distribution of wealth is the larger story here. No one really wants to speak to that issue.
LDS communities have long appreciated the concept of sharing and caring for your neighbor and requiring that all people in the ward pull their fair share of the burden. If one believes in the actions to benefit the whole (as opposed to a very select few who can afford cell phones and all other luxuries), then I really wonder why so many Utahans voted Republican.
Well, the majority voted for Chaffetz and now look what you got. Better ask for a very long strong and two tin cans for communications.
The changes to ACA advanced by Paul Ryan (supported by Chaffetz) transfer the cost of health care to the vast numbers of Americans who are uninsured or under-insured from the relatively small numbers of very wealthy Americans who can easily afford health insurance. The re-distribution of wealth is the larger story here. No one really wants to speak to that issue.
LDS communities have long appreciated the concept of sharing and caring for your neighbor and requiring that all people in the ward pull their fair share of the burden. If one believes in the actions to benefit the whole (as opposed to a very select few who can afford cell phones and all other luxuries), then I really wonder why so many Utahans voted Republican.
Well, the majority voted for Chaffetz and now look what you got. Better ask for a very long strong and two tin cans for communications.
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The point is that the internet is a utility, a necessity and for many people a smartphone is the only way to access it. Piping the internet into your home is expensive and not always possible. A computer is an investment. For many, many people, especially those for whom a cell signal is readily available, a smartphone is an outstanding solution to modern needs. It's not lobster and champagne, it's a car in any place other than NYC, it's electricity and heat. It's a necessary investment.
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I agree invest in your health insurance, but also instead of investing guns. As an insurance agent, I have seen people save thousands and some family's over $10,000 because of subsidy. And the Medicaid people getting free insurance too. People stocking up on guns and "depleted ammo" stocks. Many couldn't afford to buy guns and ammo if not for the tax credits.
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People can do whatever they want, I'm just tired of getting taxed out of my money to give to other people. It's not fair. I dont work so that joe blow down the street can afford healthcare when I can barely get by myself
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Something called the "common good." One fine example: if your neighbors are well, there's a lot lower chance of you catching what's "going around."
Hey, we all pay taxes for non-toll roads & public libraries, to name two, and we pay the same whether we use them or not. Those institutions are "socialized," despite the fact that you might hate that word.
Hey, we all pay taxes for non-toll roads & public libraries, to name two, and we pay the same whether we use them or not. Those institutions are "socialized," despite the fact that you might hate that word.
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There's something called the "common good." One fine example: if your neighbors are well, there's a much lower chance of your catching what's "going around."
Hey, we all pay taxes for roads and public libraries, to name two, and we pay the same whether we use them or not. Those institutions are "socialized," whether you like that label or not.
Hey, we all pay taxes for roads and public libraries, to name two, and we pay the same whether we use them or not. Those institutions are "socialized," whether you like that label or not.
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Why not tax the super wealthy then?
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Chaffetz is a horrible person, but these folks cannot afford 3 kids.
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You crack phone, er, cell phone addicts are pathetic.
I can be reached by landline at home and work. I have work and personal email. That's four ways I can be reached a good portion of the time. In my car? Nope, every day I see dozens of inattentive drivers on their phones putting my life in danger. You'll never convince me I should be on a phone while driving, and you'll definitely not convince me I must pay to be on an electronic leash. That leaves a few hours a day I'm not reachable. If you see me out and and about, say hi. That is, if you're not staring down at your phone.
I can be reached by landline at home and work. I have work and personal email. That's four ways I can be reached a good portion of the time. In my car? Nope, every day I see dozens of inattentive drivers on their phones putting my life in danger. You'll never convince me I should be on a phone while driving, and you'll definitely not convince me I must pay to be on an electronic leash. That leaves a few hours a day I'm not reachable. If you see me out and and about, say hi. That is, if you're not staring down at your phone.
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Doctor: "I see here it says that you can't afford the cancer therapy."
Patient: "yes Dr."
Dr.: "...and yet I can see that you have an iPhone."
Patient: "ummm..."
Patient: "yes Dr."
Dr.: "...and yet I can see that you have an iPhone."
Patient: "ummm..."
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Your headline is misleading. Chaffetz is not saying you should not get a phone. All he is saying is that, if you have a working phone like iPhone5S, decide if you need to pony up a thousand dollars to get the iPhone 7 or buy that insurance.
#FakeNews
#FakeNews
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Health insurance costs far more than a new iPhone, unless you think people are buying a new phone every month. A more apt comparison would be rent vs. health insurance.
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@Jasoninthehouse constituents need to vote this fool out of office because he is not working for you, just the insurance companies.
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I saw this sneering, crass, snarky comment by Jason Chaffetz on CNN and I could hardly believe it. Chaffetz should stick to his endless, frivolous investigations of all things Democrats and not root around into the concepts and social technology of which he has has apparently has no knowledge whatsoever.
Willy Nilly, Mr. Chaffetz, the information age, and the accompanying technology is upon us. Why don't you go home to the district that you supposedly "represent" and have a town hall meeting of this subject with your constituents. You might get an education.
But your comments suggests that it would all fall upon deaf ears. So to speak. Even though you likely have a rather new iPhone.
Willy Nilly, Mr. Chaffetz, the information age, and the accompanying technology is upon us. Why don't you go home to the district that you supposedly "represent" and have a town hall meeting of this subject with your constituents. You might get an education.
But your comments suggests that it would all fall upon deaf ears. So to speak. Even though you likely have a rather new iPhone.
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His iPhone is free, supplied by donors to his campaign, which turns out to be quite legal, as he and his friends in power have decided it ought.
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Why even debate this? Chaffetz is setting up a straw-man fantasy scenario in which some hypothetical poor person chooses to buy a new iPhone in place of health insurance. And this is his excuse for gutting an actual health insurance program that actually benefits millions of Americans, rich and poor, while showering even more money on the ultra-wealthy? Sick!
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before the Soviet Union collapsed people survived by gaming system. this country is headed in the same direction. there are probably millions of families in this country where they claim the father is not around and the mother receives a guaranteed government check. sure it is fraud but if new york is an example, chances of getting caught are nil. no wonder so many couples have children out of wedlock.
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So it's "Return of the WelFare Queen, Part Deux"?
This time it's personal.
This time it's personal.
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We spend about twice as much on corporation welfare than 'individual' welfare, but keep believing that social programs are the problem!
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I agree mostly w article & many comments. We have volunteered as Allies for the poor for our local "Circles Initiative program. It is very difficult. We've been married 44yrs, 3 kids ... But we NEVER considered starting a family until AFTER we were on sound financial footing. Never been well off, been low income, but thankfully never in these positions. A big reason is getting on our feet before reproducing. That's tough when you are devoted to a religion that practically demands that you reproduce to be considered 'worthy'. Notice the Senator never commented that having a family was also a choice!
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How do you call the ambulance you can't afford?
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You call it then you don't pay the ambulance bill. you don't pay the emergency room bill either because the emergency room is required to treat and stabilize. The rest of us who have insurance and up paying the bills.
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While Chaffetz' comments contain a small germ of truth (people do need to prioritize) but for the most part they are incredibly callous, particularly when "Trump Care" plans big tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans!
His politics are shameful.
Mr. Chaffetz has had 8 years to come up with an idea on health insurance for his constituents. Unfortunately, he's wasted his time spouting about repealing Obamacare rather than devising intelligent policy!
His politics are shameful.
Mr. Chaffetz has had 8 years to come up with an idea on health insurance for his constituents. Unfortunately, he's wasted his time spouting about repealing Obamacare rather than devising intelligent policy!
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would the big mouth-small brain senator from utah have a cell phone or cadillac insurance if he wasn't living off of the largesse of the american taxpayer....AND the corporations, that have bought and own him?
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I reread the article in vain looking for the very similar sentiment Obama expressed when pressed about how expensive the "Affordable Care Act" is: "I guess what I would say is if you looked at that person's budget and you looked at their cable bill, their cell phone bill, other things that they're spending on, it may turn out that it's just they haven't prioritized health care because right now everybody's healthy. Nobody actually wants to spend money on health insurance until they get sick." Would that make Obama seem callous and uncaring? And why can I remember what Obama said but Mr. Healy can't?
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I see the talking points have been released. Are you saying Obama wasn't callous and uncaring or that he is? In either case, what he said does not absolve Chaffetz.
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Yes, I know that the Fox bunch have fed that to right-wingers, and that's why you all say the same thing. But why not consider what's happening now, hm? Obama's gone, and your republican pals want to get rid of the help he got for people who need insurance. Time to talk about that. You for that, are you?
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You do know Inspite of Obama's Opinion on personal finances,..he didn't allow it to dissuade him from implementing a HealthCare Coverage Program to assist those same people?
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Poor conservatives who vote against their own interests blow my mind. It's a pattern that's been going on for years now and no matter how much contempt the Republican party has shown for the working poor, people like this couple just keep drinking the Kool-ade. I think it's a form of successful brainwashing. Republicans know how to play to their prejudices and their fears and deflect them from thinking about their own economic interests. Funny, but well-off GOP voters are permitted by this hateful political party to vote FOR their own interests. They do it as a rule and then they hope that the conservative poor will come along for the ride. And they do. It's sick.
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As long as the Republican Party parrots the right social value issues and racist positions, they can do anything they want economically to their supporters. It's a question of the supporters' priorities.
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Funny, Obama made the same statement. Another hypocritical story from the "truth seeking" NYT.
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Please provide the link to the video in which Obama "made the same statement." Gee, thanks.
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Your comparison would make (some) sense IF Obama ALSO advocated them not having access to HealthCare Coverage,..because of their choice of IT Products.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/03/obama_forget_your_cable_tv_a...
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President Trump boasts that he will negotiate the best deals for America. If his administration wants to help wants to help all of us with lower health care costs, the administration should require in their new law that the federal government negotiate all medical fees. This is done with Medicare now with enormous benefit. It would allow all to enjoy the same lower fees now restricted to large insurers or large corporate groups. (To wit: Medicare allows about 50% of charges and large insurance companies PPNs allow about 60%. Q.E.D.)
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NO what needs to done is to elminate Medicare. Taxpayers should not be required to provide healthcare for the irresponsible and lazy. Those who want to help can do so via charity
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DC Reader: When we retire the company requires we switch to Medicare as primary. When you start to get paper work you quickly realize how bad the overcharges are(folks without insurance only get the larger bills.) So you should hope that it will be there for you. Incidentally our carreer's worth of payrole tax prepaid out right to Medicare. IT IS A GOOD DEAL!
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DC Reader: If you dump Medicare, you dump the 80% with company provided insurance into a probable situation of un-affordable healthcare when they retire. Medicare is something to which we are "entitled" because we prepaid for it with 15% of our earned income. And pay yearly subscription fees which increase with higher retirement income (as should be).
(think I got the typos this time - sorry)
(think I got the typos this time - sorry)
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Obama used to give this line and it didn't work out so well for him. Does Chaffetz just go around parroting bad Obama lines?
As far as the Hunters go - obviously the price of the phone is meaningless since taxpayers essentially bought the cracked Samsung (it's a Earned Income Tax Credit not a Tax Refund when you make $18,000 a year with three kids) and they should simply switch to using Wi-Fi only for their phones. All phones include 911 capabilities for free (ever notice that little fee on your bill -yup that's what it's for) and Mr. Hunter most likely has Wi-Fi at work and neighbor at home that they can share wi-fi with. But I'm guessing that with 3 kids living on one $13/hr job that such solutions elude the Hunters...
As far as the Hunters go - obviously the price of the phone is meaningless since taxpayers essentially bought the cracked Samsung (it's a Earned Income Tax Credit not a Tax Refund when you make $18,000 a year with three kids) and they should simply switch to using Wi-Fi only for their phones. All phones include 911 capabilities for free (ever notice that little fee on your bill -yup that's what it's for) and Mr. Hunter most likely has Wi-Fi at work and neighbor at home that they can share wi-fi with. But I'm guessing that with 3 kids living on one $13/hr job that such solutions elude the Hunters...
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Don't forget, Utah voters, you can throw this guy out of office. If he's doing nothing for you, why keep him? Look at your tax dollars that he wasted on fruitless, frivolous investigations. Listen to him lie about the benefits of the Affordable Care Act. Angry white men may share his contempt for the poor, but I'm sure that a lot more of you don't.
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Can you just imagine if health care was universal 'Medicare for All', and telecommunications costs were on par with the rest of the world, and higher education was largely without cost to individuals? Yes, taxes would rise for many but would be more than offset in many cases by the removal of the individual costs of health and education (I actually worked this out for myself a few years ago, and found it to be true in my case, with a non-trivial six-figure income). The very rich would suffer, yes, in theory, but they are hard-pressed to spend it all anyway, and just sock it away in Scrooge McDuck money bins, where it does no one much good.
The inhabitants of America would be healthier, happier, better educated, and tax revenues would be up as incomes and the economy in general rose. The wealthy in this country may be rich but they are remarkably stupid and short-sighted. And morally indigent.
The inhabitants of America would be healthier, happier, better educated, and tax revenues would be up as incomes and the economy in general rose. The wealthy in this country may be rich but they are remarkably stupid and short-sighted. And morally indigent.
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The only problem with healthcare for all, is that people tend to overuse what's free. The British national health system is a case in point. Reading the British papers indicates that the emergency rooms are completely overwhelmed, often with non-emergency ailments, drunkenness, and other things that should be taken care of in other ways. But everyone expects free healthcare in the emergency rooms in the National Health System hospitals as a right so they just go there.
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Living across the Channel in another universal health care system, this is both untrue and - excuse me - stupid to assume. If you had a choice between going to a good movie or going to the doctor (or going on a nice cruise, from saving from USA's ridiculously expensive health care 'insurance') which would you choose? I can tell you that people in Europe travel during their paid vacations (and depend on the EU health care coverage in 27 countries). Moreover, it is wonderful to know that I can go in the morning to do my blood test (preventative health care in an aging population), receive results the same day, that are automatically sent to my doctor (that I chose). Mammogram - same day analysis (it took 1.5 hours including an ultrasound and doctor's analysis). The French system is awesome in its efficiency and competence. Trauma medicine is great in the States, ditto cancer research, but other countries do just fine. The French hospitals are not overcrowded, except during epidemics and heat waves. They've also invested in topnotch technology and have doctors who are committed to patient care.
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Cellphone costs are artificially high in the US...we can thank our governments that work for corporations but not the people they supposed to represent.
We need a governing body that looks out for our interest not the corporations'!!!
We need a governing body that looks out for our interest not the corporations'!!!
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SOMEONE FROM FRANCE POSTED:
Americans are being ripped off on all levels by the telecoms and the healthcare industry that have the politicians in their pockets. When will Americans wake up and realize that what they think is a free market is a rigged system of crony capitalism and corruption.
This is so true. It's because people don't understand business. In the US some the orginal licenses were given out by lottery*. Then the government auctioned subsequent license them making them more expensive increasing the carriers costs and hence monthly bills for consumers.
*Even though the lottery winners typically sold their license to carriers not for the amounts that the auctions raised.
Americans are being ripped off on all levels by the telecoms and the healthcare industry that have the politicians in their pockets. When will Americans wake up and realize that what they think is a free market is a rigged system of crony capitalism and corruption.
This is so true. It's because people don't understand business. In the US some the orginal licenses were given out by lottery*. Then the government auctioned subsequent license them making them more expensive increasing the carriers costs and hence monthly bills for consumers.
*Even though the lottery winners typically sold their license to carriers not for the amounts that the auctions raised.
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A cell phone is necessary for nearly everyone–an iPhone is not. An iPhone is a luxury. Nobody needs an iPhone. Unless it's your only means of internet access, not even a smartphone is necessary. Americans needs to stop conflating luxury with necessity. We need to (re)learn how to say no to ourselves. Our forebears would be so ashamed of our self-indulgence.
Chaffetz is my rep and I live near downtown. 1 in 4 Utahns voted for HRC. The congressional districts in Utah have been drawn to incapacitate the city, which is predominantly Democrat and voted an open lesbian for mayor on a social agenda. Utah is not as red as it pretends. It's just self-righteously corrupt. It ranks last in education funding, has a tremendous teacher crisis, and has one of the lowest average wages. Chaffetz's shame-based leadership is the local style.
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Just call it "Trumpdoesntcare"
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TrumpedUpCare
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A "tough-love defense of individual responsibility"....really? I hope the voters in Chaffetz district remember his arrogant, demeaning and dismissive attitude toward them next year when the House seat of this clueless fraud is up for grabs.
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The problem is, very clearly, not the cellphone. This family has not demonstrated any inclination to change their circumstances, yet the tone of the article is that those who have worked hard need to give up hard-earned dollars for them. For starters, they do not need a cellphone for texting/photo exchanges. Let's go back to 10 years ago when that did not exist. Save $50 a month on a phone bill, that's $600 to contribute to your own necessities. And $600 less that I have to give you.
I chose to stop at 2 kids for many reasons, college cost being one. Who told them to have more? Particularly when I will be paying for the 3rd kid that I chose not to have?
Healthcare needs to be made affordable, but you cannot get everything you want in life simply by voting for others to pay for it.
I chose to stop at 2 kids for many reasons, college cost being one. Who told them to have more? Particularly when I will be paying for the 3rd kid that I chose not to have?
Healthcare needs to be made affordable, but you cannot get everything you want in life simply by voting for others to pay for it.
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Just because the article doesn't mention it doesn't mean they don't use the phone for a myriad of things. It's their only computer and Internet connection - imagine your life without one!
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This country does not need to have billionaires. There should be maximum income/wealth laws.
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Ah, I see. But even though I'm childless, you have no problem with my tax dollars being used to educate YOUR kids, right?
Where does the "I got mine, sucker" idiocy of selfish Republicanism ever end?
Where does the "I got mine, sucker" idiocy of selfish Republicanism ever end?
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Obviously the congressman doesn't understand the cost of health insurance. Troubling is the fact that people vote against their own self interest. Freedom is just short hand for insurance companies making a profit even it does harm.
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I know this is going to sound callous, but here's what I think: You voted Republican, you get what you deserve. Maybe the good folks of Utah will think harder next time they vote for the likes of Chaffetz or Trump.
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I am a very frugal person. I pay $36 per month for limited voice and data on an Android. I have more than enough service because I use it wisely. When I read stories like this I tend to conclude that some families can manage their budgets more efficiently, but I believe that our elected officials tend to live in a different world than our poorer citizens and just do not understand what they deal with. Congress's lack of sensitivity over healthcare, and their lack of resolve to make sure affordable care is available to all is shameful.
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Around 1991, I recall a millionaire Arkansas lawmaker who said that women work "so the family can afford the second boat on the lake." The story that the poor are simply wasting money on extravagant things is a longstanding lie Republicans tell so they can steal tax money for themselves.
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When the working poor need to work two or three jobs to make ends meet or not, they have to leave their children without parental supervision before and after school. They need cell phones to able to watch their kids. This should be obvious. Even a politician should be able to see it as a necessity.
Not only is a smartphone a telephone but also a fact finder. Poorer people have less access to the internet. Not having a smartphone is cutting off yet another avenue for getting information. There is no time like the present to look something up, not only for adults but also for the children. A cell phone helps to keep the children safe while their parents are working to put food on the table and pay rent, yet still, can't afford health insurance.
Instead, he should look into why our healthcare is so exorbitantly expensive. My mom, on Medicare, was accidentally billed by a walk-in clinic because they wrote her insurance number wrong. They charged $500 for "new patient intake" to write out her health information in less than five minutes. They did it wrong. If this arrogant politician would look into that instead of pointing fingers at the poor, maybe there would be improvements in the future.
Not only is a smartphone a telephone but also a fact finder. Poorer people have less access to the internet. Not having a smartphone is cutting off yet another avenue for getting information. There is no time like the present to look something up, not only for adults but also for the children. A cell phone helps to keep the children safe while their parents are working to put food on the table and pay rent, yet still, can't afford health insurance.
Instead, he should look into why our healthcare is so exorbitantly expensive. My mom, on Medicare, was accidentally billed by a walk-in clinic because they wrote her insurance number wrong. They charged $500 for "new patient intake" to write out her health information in less than five minutes. They did it wrong. If this arrogant politician would look into that instead of pointing fingers at the poor, maybe there would be improvements in the future.
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Chaffetz is a product of a blatantly gerrymandered district. All of the Congressional districts in Utah contain a tentacle that occupies a small slice of Salt Lake City, so the heavily Democratic city (it's true!) is effectively disenfranchised.
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The comments are interesting. People are down on this family for how they spend their money, like a $400 car payment. One, if you don't have stellar credit everything is more expensive. Two, you need to have a dependable vehicle for a family of five and for the father to commute to work in an area where I assume there is no public transportation.
This is the problem with stuff like this. People want to get into other people's business and judge how they live. It's a cold world if you don't have money.
This is the problem with stuff like this. People want to get into other people's business and judge how they live. It's a cold world if you don't have money.
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The only reason people feel the need to get into this family's business is because of the argument that they should have other tax payers pay for their insurance. I have a job that pays almost three times her income and I do not feel I deserve a car with $400 monthly payments. I am not judging her decisions, but why should I have to decide between paying for insurance or a new car and she does not?
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It's not so much people are down but the article is not complete. How did the Hunters get to the point of trying to support a family of five on a $13 per hour job and governemnt assistance? And since taxpayers are paying they're entitled to answers.
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But the cellphone tethers the couple together when Mr. Hunter leaves for his nearly $13-an-hour job at a call center and Ms. Hunter stays home with their three children — 9, 4 and 3 years old — here in the Utah Valley.
Why does someone with a $13 an hour job have three kids? Did he have a better job at one time?
Why does someone with a $13 an hour job have three kids? Did he have a better job at one time?
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Why does Bill Gates and the Walton family make billions of dollars a year while millions of hard-working Americans make $25 thousand or less.
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They tried equality of income in Cambodia. It ended with a third of the population dead.,"Hard-working"? Not so much. Try "educated" and "smart".
Because Bill Gates chose to get an education.
If nothing else, we can have warnings on IPhones, Cars, HDTVs,...
"Purchase of this product is potentially detrimental to your (financial) ability to afford HealthCare Insurance."
OR
"Purchase of this product is potentially harmful towards judgement by others on your overall finances"
"Purchase of this product is potentially detrimental to your (financial) ability to afford HealthCare Insurance."
OR
"Purchase of this product is potentially harmful towards judgement by others on your overall finances"
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The only comment that has made me laugh!
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Jason Chaffetz is naive at very least, truly mean at most. Cell phones are life lines for many, whether elderly and alone, or the only phone a family has. In many cases, at the end of the month, many of these people run short of food. So now the likes of Chaffetz and Ryan are adding another fifty pound bag on their shoulders, saying "be like me", but they can't do that, nor should they have to. These people need health insurance, and we need a system that will cover them. They have nothing more to give, they're doing what they can do to stay afloat. This new program will make coverage impossible for them. So the next time there is a measles or polio outbreak, remember, people who have no coverage do get sick, don't get coverage until it's too late, and then you get sick. This is the consequence of myopia.
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It is not fair -- like David and Goliath -- to have individuals go up against the massive insurance companies, to fight these bureaucracies when insurers deny claims and deductibles, even as the insurers merge into increasingly monolithic oligopolies. Let anyone who does not have employer-based health insurance buy the same health insurance Congress has.
Make the premiums 5 percent of ones income and the maximum copay/deductible per year 5 percent of ones income.
Done.
Make the premiums 5 percent of ones income and the maximum copay/deductible per year 5 percent of ones income.
Done.
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Wow! The people making all these comments seem so self-righteous and punitive. It's really shocking! No wonder our country is n such a state. People are truly callous and uncaring.
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Mr. Chaffetz has a sense of disdain for his own constituents... President Bannon is out to destroy everything he can... Bannon is looking for a big place in history....
Mr. Chaffetz is just a follower ... SAD! SAD for Utah ...
Mr. Chaffetz is just a follower ... SAD! SAD for Utah ...
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I am a freelancer over 50.
In my business, no smart phone equals no job. Texts of locations of jobs, gps, the ability to receive up to date emails, to take and share photos of key documents or equipment, are essential. Without it, I would be unemployable.
It's not that I don't want a full time job either, but in my industry, the only one I have training in, most full time employees have been let go in favor of freelancers. Every, and I mean every, single job I apply to starts online.
There's a reason why non profit social service organizations give cell phones to their most vulnerable clients–they're an absolute lifeline.
The fact that I will be forced to pay higher premiums, coupled with the threat of a 30% fine if I should let my coverage lapse, feels not only detached and clueless, but cruel.
I don't care what Chaffitz or Price or Trump or Ryan says about this bill. Their noise is just double talk backed up by empty promises and lies. They have zero credibility. The one thing I am sure of is that I mean nothing to them what so ever.
In my business, no smart phone equals no job. Texts of locations of jobs, gps, the ability to receive up to date emails, to take and share photos of key documents or equipment, are essential. Without it, I would be unemployable.
It's not that I don't want a full time job either, but in my industry, the only one I have training in, most full time employees have been let go in favor of freelancers. Every, and I mean every, single job I apply to starts online.
There's a reason why non profit social service organizations give cell phones to their most vulnerable clients–they're an absolute lifeline.
The fact that I will be forced to pay higher premiums, coupled with the threat of a 30% fine if I should let my coverage lapse, feels not only detached and clueless, but cruel.
I don't care what Chaffitz or Price or Trump or Ryan says about this bill. Their noise is just double talk backed up by empty promises and lies. They have zero credibility. The one thing I am sure of is that I mean nothing to them what so ever.
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I pay about USD12 per month for unlimited data (3G but good enough) and something like 2000 minutes (never use them) in Hong Kong. There is intense competition and number portability in this market. The US consumers are getting ripped off.
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Just don't try to comparison shop in super markets (unless you love "wet markets") in HK as they're run by only a couple of monopoly cartels that keep prices on all sorts of daily necessities quite high in a city with no fair competition law.
The people who keep falling for Republican lies and keep voting for them have only themselves to blame.
Chaffetz's comments did not just sound callous, they were callous. He is a wealthy person with free health care provided by the citizens of this country. He has no heart and is in no position to criticize. It is high time we taxpayers stopped the free care for for congress people. They should have to seek out and pay for their own insurance.
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Just remember when you hear about how the states can handle Medicaid so much better than the feds that a family of 5 in Utah, making $1.800.00 a month receives Medicaid coverage for the three children and not the parents. The parents apparently get no Medicaid coverage.
I guess this is an example of all that unnecessary coverage people are receiving that turning it over to the states will remedy.
I guess this is an example of all that unnecessary coverage people are receiving that turning it over to the states will remedy.
$400 per month for a car payment? That amount caught my attention. Sounds like a new car and hardly a necessity when living on so little.
Why couldn't a second hand vehicle with a much lower loan do?
Why couldn't a second hand vehicle with a much lower loan do?
He looks down on the people whose backs he stands on, with a free phone and health care that they have paid for and says, " Let them eat cake! "
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Just to point out the obvious: the Hunters iPhone is probably their ONLY phone. So the choice for them is between health care or no telephone. Of course they need a telephone. It is a necessity for living today. What do they do in case of an emergency? How would they call 911? They probably could find a cheaper provider, but a telephone is not a luxury.
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If healthcare would cost as much as an iPhone, $600, and you'd have to purchase it every three years, everyone would have healthcare. Or if helathcare would be $50 per month like my phone bill, and cover EVERYTHING with no copays and deductibles, than again, everyone would have healthcare. That's how much it costs in Europe! How do they manage?
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@mytwocents: That's simply not true. In France, for example (where I lived) people contribute much more than $50 per month to cover their health care. It is deducted from their paychecks. They have co-pays on certain drugs, treatments, etc and some products are not covered. Dental, vision and hearing aids are poorly covered. And the government still doesn't manage costs well. Their healthcare system is deeply in debt.
Most people need a secondary insurance policy but that's an additional cost.
Free or low cost health care is simply a myth, albeit a well-entrenched one.
Most people need a secondary insurance policy but that's an additional cost.
Free or low cost health care is simply a myth, albeit a well-entrenched one.
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While a progressive tax means that some spend more on health insurance than others, I pay 26 dollars (23 euros) for a primary doctor's visit and I get about $12 back. A blood test is free, x-rays are about $12-20, and a fancy MRI is about $48 (including the doctor's diagnosis and report), though that may have changed. Medicines are cheap or free. Dermatologists cost almost nothing for doing minor interventions. Chronic diseases are 'free' (diabetes, arthritis, cancer, Parkinson's etc). People here in France would think it is outrageously expensive, if they would have to pay $5000 for anything, including heart transplants and major back surgery. Yes, specialists cost real money (up to $150), usually orthopaedic surgeons, and thus, people take out supplemental insurance. The main worry is disability insurance and long-term hospital stays (over 1 month). Yes, there is public debt, but the average citizen receives excellent care. Compared to the deficit spending due to war/military hardware in the States, France's deficit problems are somewhat minor league (accompanied by lots of polemics). A bigger worry are jobs. The Economist has a yearly economic report where the general economic status of countries can be compared.
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Vilki nothing is free you mean no direct user fee.
Can't decipher if they're despised for being (working) poor, yet own an IPhone?
or
They're (working) poor and had the nerve to grant access to the nation they can't quite afford HealthCare Insurance, oh and own an IPhone?
But clearly they're despised.
or
They're (working) poor and had the nerve to grant access to the nation they can't quite afford HealthCare Insurance, oh and own an IPhone?
But clearly they're despised.
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When my children were little and cell phones were huge and only made calls, my wife and I got one (just one) so we could stay in touch when one of us was out. It was just for emergencies.
Today cell phones and smart phones are a necessity. As is health insurance. No one should have to choose one or the other. There are plenty of inexpensive smart phones available. There's no comparison between the cost of a smartphone (a few hundred dollars) and health insurance (many thousands of dollars).
Chaffetz and his ilk have no idea what it's like to be poor in America, to not have health insuranc or worry about losing it.
The problem is people in Utah and elsewhere vote against their interests for Republicans. Until they wise up they are responsible for their own difficult situation.
Today cell phones and smart phones are a necessity. As is health insurance. No one should have to choose one or the other. There are plenty of inexpensive smart phones available. There's no comparison between the cost of a smartphone (a few hundred dollars) and health insurance (many thousands of dollars).
Chaffetz and his ilk have no idea what it's like to be poor in America, to not have health insuranc or worry about losing it.
The problem is people in Utah and elsewhere vote against their interests for Republicans. Until they wise up they are responsible for their own difficult situation.
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Eric, Who did you think voted in this Obamacare garbage in the first place? It wasn't the Republicans who caused all of this. The astronomical expenses, the ridiculous co - pays and deductibles, the staggering increase in premiums -_- all of that is a result of myopathy at best on the part of Democrats.
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Tony you couldn't be more wrong. The ACA (which 1/3 of Americans or maybe it's just Republicans don't even know is Obamacare but support it - ignorance runs deep in America) gave 20 million people good health insurance. Republicans want to take that away. No law is perfect. The ACA needs to be fixed my not repealed.
Obama gave Republicans every opportunity to help shape the ACA. They refused. They preferred to not do their jobs and became the party of No.
Every analysis of the Republican replacement for the ACA is worse. It will cost more for the poor, middle class and elderly. (It does benefit those who are better off financially.) It's provides worse coverage. Millions will have worse or useless health insurance or lose it entirely.
So tell me: Why are Republican proposals better? There are too many people who think like you. You've drunk Paul Ryan's Kool-Aid. Maybe it tastes good, but it just may kill you,
Obama gave Republicans every opportunity to help shape the ACA. They refused. They preferred to not do their jobs and became the party of No.
Every analysis of the Republican replacement for the ACA is worse. It will cost more for the poor, middle class and elderly. (It does benefit those who are better off financially.) It's provides worse coverage. Millions will have worse or useless health insurance or lose it entirely.
So tell me: Why are Republican proposals better? There are too many people who think like you. You've drunk Paul Ryan's Kool-Aid. Maybe it tastes good, but it just may kill you,
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A universal, single payer system would cover us all for less money. We all need to say it louder and louder until we are heard.
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The more important question is How do you expect to raise a family with 3 kids on a $13/hr paycheck?
Maybe these people should wait until they have a higher income before they go ahead and keep having kids.
You either have personal responsibility and accountability, which seems to have gone the way of the Model T, or you depend on the government.
Maybe these people should wait until they have a higher income before they go ahead and keep having kids.
You either have personal responsibility and accountability, which seems to have gone the way of the Model T, or you depend on the government.
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I agree that people should not have children willy-nilly, without a thought to whether they can support them, but in reply to your last sentence, it isn't so cut and dried. People who work full time still cannot afford market-rate health insurance. That is the real problem. One should not have to have a lot of education or a high-paying job in order to be insured.
Insurance in any form, whether private market or government-supported, is a way of diffusing personal responsibility. Our insurance payments don't go to our own little accounts. They pay for other people's needs, with the understanding that when we are in need, it will cover us, too. We bank on the fact that not everyone has big health needs, and health crises do not arise all at the same time.
Insurance in any form, whether private market or government-supported, is a way of diffusing personal responsibility. Our insurance payments don't go to our own little accounts. They pay for other people's needs, with the understanding that when we are in need, it will cover us, too. We bank on the fact that not everyone has big health needs, and health crises do not arise all at the same time.
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Or better yet chosen to live in another country. Ours is cold hearted and materialistic. No longer what it's cracked up to be.
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In most cases, after the first kid, the 2nd and 3rd child doesnt add much or anything to healthcare premiums. And have some sympathy, their kid is here. They can't go back in time.
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I sympathize with the people in the article, I was laid off myself and I'm looking for a new gig. However, who has a $400 car payment, as a manager of a Micky D's? When I saw my possible lay off coming, I sold my truck and got something less expensive. It's not just the difference of cell phone or insurance, personal responsibility means you try and make good decisions for everything in your life.
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The most honest thing Jason Chaffetz has ever said!
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Like the rest of the Republican Congressmen, Chaffetz spits in the face of the American people as he kow-tows to the super-rich.
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The point is you can't get healthcare for what you pay for a cell phone!! This is a fake choice!!
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In many midwest rural areas, cellular service is not even an option because of so few cell towers. Many of these residents rely on landlines as THEIR lifeline. Somehow, they seem to manage okay without an iPhone. The biggest issue they face is the eventuality of landline service being eliminated completely. Now THAT will be a hardship for these people.
The question of whether to have health insurance vs. a cell phone - really? My God, what are these folks thinking? Having government subsidies pay for one's healthcare while they find the money for a cell phone is about as ridiculous as purchasing potato chips and salsa instead of milk and eggs with food stamps. Like one commenter stated, this conversation is ridiculous and their priorities are pretty screwed up.
The entire premise, including the headline, is ludicrous. The two things are not remotely comparable in cost; you cannot get anywhere near the cost of a health plan by giving up a smartphone; you could not have done so before the ACA went into effect. You will certainly be even further from that possibility when reduced subsidies and rolled back regulation restore our "freedom" to be charged more for less health coverage. Shame on Jason Chaffetz for making this callous, oh-so-privileged remark, and shame on the NYT for this snide headline, which suggests the people are somehow "choosing" phones over health care.
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The Republican Party is not a real party as such.
It is a business.
The real difference is in the goal - and theirs has nothing to do with country or it's people.
It's about self servin greed at the expense of the country.
And it appears that they will get away with it.
"I love the poorly educated"
- Donald Trump
It is a business.
The real difference is in the goal - and theirs has nothing to do with country or it's people.
It's about self servin greed at the expense of the country.
And it appears that they will get away with it.
"I love the poorly educated"
- Donald Trump
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These phones are necessary today for many legitimate reasons. And we should have universal single payor healthcare. But the Hunter's story did not make the case against Chavetz very well. The tone of the article made it sound like Mr. Hunter telecommuted from a great distance so needed it to stay in touch. Re-read it and realized he just missed the kids during his normal workday. Not very compelling. Also, a $400 car payment for a family living on $20K per year. I just saw a luxury car ad on TV for that amount. Perhaps Utah whether necessitates high end four wheel drive or some other explanation.
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I'd rather have a phone connection that connect the dots in this logic. The congressman knows better.
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Chaffetz's comments are representative of a successful conservative myth:
Poor people are ripping off the system at the expense of the rest of us. That they're buying filet mignon with food stamps, watching daytime tv while WE virtuous toil away. I think at heart conservatives actually despise the poor and middle classes. Even poor and middle class conservatives have been indoctrinated to hate each other to believe that their enemy isn't corporations or corrupt capitalists like tRump but each other.
Poor people are ripping off the system at the expense of the rest of us. That they're buying filet mignon with food stamps, watching daytime tv while WE virtuous toil away. I think at heart conservatives actually despise the poor and middle classes. Even poor and middle class conservatives have been indoctrinated to hate each other to believe that their enemy isn't corporations or corrupt capitalists like tRump but each other.
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Listening to Representative Paul Ryan this morning on talking heads, I thought the choice he was so anxious to offer the people who have benefited from ACA was between health care and food.
I pay $1331 per month for my health insurance; the USDA says that under their "liberal" food plan, I can feed myself for $301 a month (all meals made at home, from scratch, as part of a family of 4). The Thrifty food plan would be $161 a month. [source: https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/CostofFoodJan2017.pdf]
Now Representative Jason Chaffetz is telling us that those who can't afford unsubsidized health insurance should give up their cell phones.
How are these people so unaware of the realities of the lives of those they were elected to represent?
Or is this merely recognition that who they BELIEVE they represent are the very high-income folks who under ACA are paying 2.9% plus 0.9% of their income (quite a bit lower than the 6.2% Social Security withholding they are relieved of for wages over $127,200) to help provide affordable health insurance for ordinary working people?
I pay $1331 per month for my health insurance; the USDA says that under their "liberal" food plan, I can feed myself for $301 a month (all meals made at home, from scratch, as part of a family of 4). The Thrifty food plan would be $161 a month. [source: https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/CostofFoodJan2017.pdf]
Now Representative Jason Chaffetz is telling us that those who can't afford unsubsidized health insurance should give up their cell phones.
How are these people so unaware of the realities of the lives of those they were elected to represent?
Or is this merely recognition that who they BELIEVE they represent are the very high-income folks who under ACA are paying 2.9% plus 0.9% of their income (quite a bit lower than the 6.2% Social Security withholding they are relieved of for wages over $127,200) to help provide affordable health insurance for ordinary working people?
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He did not say NO PHONE, he was talking about the need for the newest, greatest , next best thing phone.
The story has been completely changed to fit the liberal narrative.
The story has been completely changed to fit the liberal narrative.
Nothing new here. Fox News has its yearly "poor" people statistics that are popular among its viewers. Did you know that 90% of "poor" people in this country have a microwave? 95% have a color television? 98% have a refrigerator. Among the base, comments like this are not controversial but rather factual.
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Good grief! Are you saying people should not have refrigerators if they are poor? Do you realize how utterly insane that sounds? This is not 1910.
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"She earns about $1,300 a month and has little left after paying $750 in rent (her son sometimes helps out), a $400 car payment and the $50 cellphone bill."
$400/month for a car payment. What kind of car is that? So, almost 1/3 of her earnings goes to a car?
$400/month for a car payment. What kind of car is that? So, almost 1/3 of her earnings goes to a car?
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She could have signed on to that car payment as a CNA and now makes less wages as a McDonald's manager.
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The reality is this: Poor people who want a car and have to obtain a loan are ripped-off in two ways. First, they have to pay high prices for old cars. Second, loans carry very high rates. If you are of low income, a $400/month car payment might get you a 2004 high mileage Subaru.........Real case of my mates son!
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From a cash flow perspective, one can understand the choices people make. In this case, suppose health care costs $400 a month, cell phone service is $100 a month, cable tv costs $100 a month, and after shelter, food, and other living costs a family has $300 a month for discretionary spending. If the family decided to forego cell phone service (consider a one time cost for the cellphone itself), which most people would agree has become a requirement for modern life in America, as well as cable tv, the family would still not be able to afford monthly health care.
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OK. I'm the last person to defend Jason Chaffetz, but you might want to keep your old iPhone instead of always buying the new version as soon as it comes out. I don't think he was advocating not having a phone, so I'm not sure what the point of this piece is.
Can we just focus on the fact that the proposed replacement law is woefully inadequate instead of drawing false conclusions based on one sentence? You need to keep your eye on the ball. This is a disservice to your readers, and honestly, it gives Trump and his supporters ammunition for calling you names...
Can we just focus on the fact that the proposed replacement law is woefully inadequate instead of drawing false conclusions based on one sentence? You need to keep your eye on the ball. This is a disservice to your readers, and honestly, it gives Trump and his supporters ammunition for calling you names...
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Not paying too much for a smartphone is a good thing. I got a good unlocked smartphone for 150 dollars and I have been using it for two years. A 500 or 600 dollar phone or a phone that locks you into contracts is unnecessary in my opinion. Phones are so easy to lose or break that it is not good idea to pay so much.
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That's really not the point. The point is that the out of touch and hateful republican majority think poor people should be punished in every way possible. They also think that having good healthcare is a privilege not a human right. Our country is singular in this punitive belief. Look at every other industrialized western country's policy.
And check out the Declaration of Human Rights while you're at it.
And check out the Declaration of Human Rights while you're at it.
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I gave up my cell phone as soon as it became clear from Snowden's leaks that my phone could be used as a tracking device for the authorities and the intelligence community. I've not missed it one bit and I save a lot each year.
LF
LF
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So, are you retired or do you work on a ranch herding cattle or doing some other job that doesn't require you communicate? There are many millions of Americans who actually need to have cell phones.
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Actually, I'm a health insurance agent. I work primarily with small businesses, less than 25 employees. But I do some work with individuals and families too (not nearly as interesting or rewarding as working with small businesses).
I've NEVER left my desktop computer and landline for the almost 10 years I've been in this business. It's never presented a problem to be without a cell phone.
No, I don't herd cattle. Indeed, only been on a horse twice in my life (but have ridden that barroom-bound bucking bull quite a few times).
I know this will surprise you, Philly Girl. But not everyone in Texas is involved in the cattle business. Just the best of us are.
LF
I've NEVER left my desktop computer and landline for the almost 10 years I've been in this business. It's never presented a problem to be without a cell phone.
No, I don't herd cattle. Indeed, only been on a horse twice in my life (but have ridden that barroom-bound bucking bull quite a few times).
I know this will surprise you, Philly Girl. But not everyone in Texas is involved in the cattle business. Just the best of us are.
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I think we should stop providing our legislators with tax-payer subsidized health insurance coverage and let them fend for themselves as we have to. Maybe then people like Jason Chaffetz and Paul Ryan would have more of an incentive to fight for consumers.
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Why does Delacruz have $400 car payment ? when you are financially strapped - you can surely have a decent working car for around $200 monthly. Again - poor choices and no expectation that other tax payers should help her out.
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You can get a cell phone for $15 a month through Republic wireless. Why is this family, where the wife refuses to work, so resistant to economizing? Think of all they could do with an extra $70 a month. I bet they have cable, too.
I wonder, why do I work? Why is it that the poor live better than I do? This is why we need immigrants- to do the work these people think they are far too good for.
I wonder, why do I work? Why is it that the poor live better than I do? This is why we need immigrants- to do the work these people think they are far too good for.
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So they're Modern Day IPhone "Queens"?
OR
HealthCare Queens?
OR
HealthCare Queens?
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The real solution is to generate the health care revenue by adding a fee to all cell phones. That way, people could get both necessities in one monthly bill.
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Too little additional information about the Hunter's financial situation, their employment history, and their spending leads to too many conclusions without the support of the facts.
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The last refuge of those who think that the poor or working poor bring everything on themselves is the old 'if you didn't have a iPhone, flat-screen, Wii, etc., then you could live without government assistance' canard. It comes from right in from people like Chaffetz or Dave Ramsey; from the left it comes from the Suzy Ormans of the world.
Do the math. This only works if the insurance costs the same $100/month they pay for the phone. It doesn't. Now of you take the $700 full price of the phone and add it to the $400 flat screen, that might pay for one month's health insurance. Of course, they won't have the deductible, not to mention the other 11 months of the year, but they will have proven their worthiness to ya'll frugal folks. Yeah, I know if they dropped the phone and saved that $100 in 50 years they would have a down payment for a house! Yoohoo! Of course, they will have paid their kids' college, fully funded their retirement, and bought long-term care insurance, too. Just so they would never have to expect anything from the government.
Do the math. This only works if the insurance costs the same $100/month they pay for the phone. It doesn't. Now of you take the $700 full price of the phone and add it to the $400 flat screen, that might pay for one month's health insurance. Of course, they won't have the deductible, not to mention the other 11 months of the year, but they will have proven their worthiness to ya'll frugal folks. Yeah, I know if they dropped the phone and saved that $100 in 50 years they would have a down payment for a house! Yoohoo! Of course, they will have paid their kids' college, fully funded their retirement, and bought long-term care insurance, too. Just so they would never have to expect anything from the government.
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Okay, I missed that monthly mortgage part; they are homeowners.
Three years ago Tuesday, Barack Obama said that ''if you looked at their cable bill, their telephone, their cell phone bill… it may turn out that, it’s just they haven’t prioritized health care.” He added that if a family member gets sick, the father “will wish he had paid that $300 a month.”
But a GOP Congressman says the same thing and the politicized media paint horns on him? What gives?
But a GOP Congressman says the same thing and the politicized media paint horns on him? What gives?
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Psst,
Yet Obama still managed to find a way to assist them to obtain HealthCare Insurance.
Can't say the same about the Great CONgressman or can we???
Yet Obama still managed to find a way to assist them to obtain HealthCare Insurance.
Can't say the same about the Great CONgressman or can we???
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What gives is that a smartphone doesn't cost $300/month. We just bought two such phones with data plans for under $100/month yesterday. Go ahead, shop for a silver plan with a middle class income for that kind of money. Barack Obama is no more informed than Chaffetz is about what things cost in everyday America. A second difference is that Barack Obama was not pushing for a cheapskate fraud of a health bill that screws that working poor and gives another round of tax breaks to the wealthy. Republicans reasons for this don't exist; they are sold on the basis anti-government ideology which amounts to no more than saying, "Because!" I can, I suppose, forgive Chaffetz for his ignorance, but not for his casual cruelty.
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Obama found a way to insure less than 5% of the US population - but it required billions in spending and the devastation of family finances across the country.
The PPACA was never intended to even insure HALF of the uninsured: at least that part came true.
The Founders are, once again, proved right in their determination that the national government has no business in such issues. (Amendments 9 & 10.)
The PPACA was never intended to even insure HALF of the uninsured: at least that part came true.
The Founders are, once again, proved right in their determination that the national government has no business in such issues. (Amendments 9 & 10.)
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Lived in Utah for 14 years. The politics of that state is strange to put it mildly. The state is operates as a theocracy with the LDS/GOP pulling the levers and making profitable backroom deals. Outside of Salt Lake City and Park City the state is a solid sea of red where voters vote against their interests consistently and elect mis-representatives like Chavetz to speak for them. The blue vote in Salt Lake City has been gerrymandered for years. by the state legislature. The state legislature opens their session on MLK day and spends the first 75% of the legislative term on "message bills" that serve as dog whistle to certain constituents. Chavetz will likely be forced out in 2018, but it won't happen in the general election. He'll be replaced by a different nutjob in the GOP primary that the lemmings will flock to in the general election.
The Times should run more articles digging into why voters in Utah and Kansas elect such horrible GOP politicians year after year that do not act in their best interests.
The Times should run more articles digging into why voters in Utah and Kansas elect such horrible GOP politicians year after year that do not act in their best interests.
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I do not think Jason Chaffetz is off the mark for a group of people. I find that at my work place - parking lot has lexus, audi and BMW vehicles parked by employees making between 60 K and 80 K per year but people making $200K plus are usually driving Camrys and Pilots. The main point is that lots of people live it up to the extent that is not financially smart. Swanky Iphone comes in the same category. People can spend $100 per month on cigerrates, couple of 100 dollars per month on beer, lease that Lexus for 700 per month but their health insurance needs to be subsidized!! Ofcourse this does not apply to the very poor but people in the middle are partly financially squeezed due to their behaviour - this is the group that will not buy health insurance because they are too healthy until disaster strikes.
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1. You don't who's car they're driving, if it's their only car, if it was given to them,...
2. How many of the Camry, Pilots,..own more than 1 vehicle, how new, how old,..?
3. You don't know another person's Bills/Obligations, unless you're a nice enough person that they'll offer you the information, only for you to later criticize them on the InterNets:):)
2. How many of the Camry, Pilots,..own more than 1 vehicle, how new, how old,..?
3. You don't know another person's Bills/Obligations, unless you're a nice enough person that they'll offer you the information, only for you to later criticize them on the InterNets:):)
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And it is for this reason that a mandate is essential.
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False equivalency.
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Great shill for a washed up Hillary Clinton or a give it all away Bernie Sanders , also I'd like to know how 800 a month obamma care with an 8000 deductible is considered even worth having for insurance government shouldn't be involved with insurance unless u want to be socialist !
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The issue has nothing to do with iPhones. Nothing to do with how much they cost per plan, nothing to do even with whether poor folks actually are out there buying the latest ones (although none I know are). It has to do with the fact that a little family of modest means though hard-working cannot, simply can't, afford health insurance, and even less under the republicans' plan. Chaffetz wants to turn out the "oh, those wicked poor" forces, so common on the right, to distract us and themselves from the fact that paying for medical insurance is likely to become impossible to all the poor and many of the middle-class, too, if Chaffetz and pals have their way. It should afford me no pleasure to realize that a number of those who scold the family here, who imagine that the cost of a phone would pay the exorbitant costs of even high-deductible insurance coverage, will in due course find themselves in trouble, too. I know. But it's about the only bright spot I see in what the republicans are going to do to the nation, including their most rabid supporters. Even now, even in Oklahoma, they are muted, muttering, as if they had lost instead of won. It's occurring to them already, the brighter ones, that they really did lose, yes, they lost after all.
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eventually it will be even worse if we continue to allow the trend: about 500 families will have all the money and the rest of us will be their serfs.
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Bravo!
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If people are strapped for money, then they can purchase a flip phone instead of a smartphone. There are also payment plans available for as little as 30 or $35 per month, and even less for limited plans.
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Why do you believe if you owned a Flip Phone,..you can suddenly afford HealthCare Insurance?
Why isn't the CONgressman adding an "If" clause in their HealthCare Insurance Plan(s)?
Why isn't the CONgressman adding an "If" clause in their HealthCare Insurance Plan(s)?
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The phone is not the point. He could have said they have electricity they shouldn't have if they're poor. The point is: health care is a right, not a privilege. And, Chaffetz's healthcare is paid for by the likes of you and me yet he is pushing to deny others and saying they should be punished for not being wealthy.
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I don't believe that and didn't say that. How did you derive that from what I said? And if they are on food stamps, they may be able to get a free phone.
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Time for all politicians to have no government health insurance, no cell phone, and no other taxpayer-paid resources and let them navigate the economic labyrinth they've created for the citizenry. If the free market they so espouse is so great, then give up your taxpayer-paid benies and show us all how great it is.
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All congressional jobs should come with zero pension, zero healthcare and the same salary as the median household in the US. And a lifelong ban on lobbying, with nest-feathering a felony.
You would see a far more realistic cross-section of America attracted to those jobs, that's for sure.
You would see a far more realistic cross-section of America attracted to those jobs, that's for sure.
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Honestly, this is an excellent point. Politicians should be paid only what the median wage is for the state which they represent. No extras, no free health insurance, no stipends. lol, bet things would change in a hurry.
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The choice isn't between an iPhone and health insurance. It's between taking away health insurance from the working poor and giving the rich a tax cut so they can buy Ivanka's $10,000 bracelet she advertised on "60 Minutes."
So I take it the folks that agree with the Great CONgressman that our (working) Poor are too Rich.
Or our (working) Poor just ain't Poor enough?
Or our (working) Poor just ain't Poor enough?
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I'm sure many will think so. This is the old Reagan strategy of proclaiming that the country is broke because the poor people took all the money. GOP: great at paradox, poor at logic.
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These are elected 'representatives'. When they are so out of touch with what insurance costs for a family and the cost of an iPhone, clearly they are speaking to a reality that is not grounded in what the common man is a part of. Who and whose interests are they representing anyway?
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How about having a debate between buying health care and buying guns? Let's see if Mr. Chaffetz wants to tackle that as an issue.
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Or how about a debate, particularly germane in Utah, between remaining a member in good standing of your church by paying the required tithe or buying health insurance?
Which "necessary expense" should the Hunter family prioritize, Mr. Chaffetz?
Which "necessary expense" should the Hunter family prioritize, Mr. Chaffetz?
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Obamacare is not a health care system. Virtually all of the 20 million or so people who have enrolled are subsidized. In other words, they aren't paying for their programs. You are. It isn't health care. It's income re-distribution.
It is one part of a hopefully all-encompassing government program of income re-distribution in an economy that for the first time in the history of our country has gone 8 years with less the 2% growth in any one year, all paid for by adding another 2+ billion dollars to our national debt every day with not even a thought of paying any of it back.
And the only response of progressives is: "Don't stop the merry-go-round."
Well, it's going to stop. On its own. Never to run again. Have a good day.
It is one part of a hopefully all-encompassing government program of income re-distribution in an economy that for the first time in the history of our country has gone 8 years with less the 2% growth in any one year, all paid for by adding another 2+ billion dollars to our national debt every day with not even a thought of paying any of it back.
And the only response of progressives is: "Don't stop the merry-go-round."
Well, it's going to stop. On its own. Never to run again. Have a good day.
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So his comment(s) (and the folks agreeing) wasn't about the (working) Poor and their IPhones?
But about income redistribution,..noted.
But about income redistribution,..noted.
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I am able to obtain I individual insurance as a result of Obamacare, and do not receive subsidies. I am by no means an anomaly, as I know of many others in my situation that were able to retire early without counting the days/months/years until Social Security eligibility.
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Hmmm?...Sounds like another example of Americans voting against their own interests. It's also an example of how a state had the opportunity to provide healthcare for a larger swath of people under the Affordable Care Act but didn't to do it. I work in Massachusetts. It's a liberal state and everyone's covered. There aren't any politicians scolding its citizens to ditch their cell phones for healthcare either.
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but you live in NH? When I lived in MA, moving to nearby NH was a popular way to avoid the much higher taxes in "Taxachusetts".
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I live in NH because I've lived here since I was 9. I still pay Mass taxes though in my paycheck. They take out a lot, but whatever. A lot of people are better off if we all pitch in. Happier people = less crime, nicer neighbors, and a greater sense of belonging to a civilized society. Yeah, sure, I wish I had more money, but whatever.
It's not cell phones nor even the entire gigantic tech industry that used to drive Americans to bankruptcy. It was the cost of health care prior to Obama Care.
My i phone 6 was free from Credo ( a small, socially responsible company with excellent service) for a 2 year contract for all the service I need for less than $100/month. With the exception of Medicare, try to find any health insurance for that price.
Unfortunately, Mr. Chaffetz can't see the numbers straight for being blinded by his own self righteousness.
And I'm wondering why the political elites of the Dem Party can't counter the continuous branding of benefits to the poor as "entitlements." Surely they can stick a similar stigmatizing label on the tax breaks we continue to provide to the wealthy 1%.
For shame, Democrats.
My i phone 6 was free from Credo ( a small, socially responsible company with excellent service) for a 2 year contract for all the service I need for less than $100/month. With the exception of Medicare, try to find any health insurance for that price.
Unfortunately, Mr. Chaffetz can't see the numbers straight for being blinded by his own self righteousness.
And I'm wondering why the political elites of the Dem Party can't counter the continuous branding of benefits to the poor as "entitlements." Surely they can stick a similar stigmatizing label on the tax breaks we continue to provide to the wealthy 1%.
For shame, Democrats.
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$1200 a year is fine for an affluent single person in uber-expensive San Francisco.
Not so much for a lower middle class, struggling FAMILY in Utah. This family has an income UNDER $30,000 a year! They need to save money, to pay for rent and food! not luxury phones!
A basic phone, sure. That's about $10 a month -- not $100 a month.
it must be nice to be very rich in San Francisco.
Not so much for a lower middle class, struggling FAMILY in Utah. This family has an income UNDER $30,000 a year! They need to save money, to pay for rent and food! not luxury phones!
A basic phone, sure. That's about $10 a month -- not $100 a month.
it must be nice to be very rich in San Francisco.
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Mr. Chaffetz, you have a deal! I'll pay $600 upfront (iPhone cost) AND $100 a month. In return, I get your healthcare plan.
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Trumpcare will completely bankrupt this family and likely put them in the streets. Their children will eventually become wards of the state, wiping out the pretense of so-called savings from this spiteful trumpcare health bill.
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Not surprised by the nasty comments to this article. I guess when you have the misfortune to be poor (no, it isn't a choice), then you should forgo any basic comforts like a phone, TV, car, appliances, clothes etc. when you are receiving minimal basic assistance from the government. Maybe all poor people should just live in an empty box on the side of the road!
Saying people have to choose between an iPhone and health insurance is a cynical comment from a GOP representative who has no idea how poor people really live. Are we Americans so mean spirited that we cannot spare any of the wealth in this country to help those less fortunate?
Yes, I agree we don't "need" iPhones but we do need access to healthcare and the GOP just made it harder for to get it.
Saying people have to choose between an iPhone and health insurance is a cynical comment from a GOP representative who has no idea how poor people really live. Are we Americans so mean spirited that we cannot spare any of the wealth in this country to help those less fortunate?
Yes, I agree we don't "need" iPhones but we do need access to healthcare and the GOP just made it harder for to get it.
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Unfortunately, it seems Americans really ARE that mean-spirited. The GOP has trained them well.
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And by the way, would the NYT reporter be so kind as to share this information with the Hunters -- perfectly good cell phone plans can be had from Cricket, Google Fi and Metropcs for $25-30 a month. No need to spend $100.
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How do you know he didn't?
OR
That he prevented them from reading the article?
OR
That he prevented them from reading the article?
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Since the Mormon Church tithes the income of all its "members" a full 10%, why isn't the Mormon Church - the same church that supports Chaffetz and that encourages its members to have as many babies as possible - paying for and/or providing any and all medical care the Hunters and their children need?
Isn't that why all the churches are not taxed, because they provide charity to those in need?
And Mr. Hunter, who is "pained" to be away from his children during the day so his wife has to send him photos of the kids (that he's been away from for a few hours) gives new definition to the word creepy. Even for so-called religious folk.
Isn't that why all the churches are not taxed, because they provide charity to those in need?
And Mr. Hunter, who is "pained" to be away from his children during the day so his wife has to send him photos of the kids (that he's been away from for a few hours) gives new definition to the word creepy. Even for so-called religious folk.
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why do poor people need climate controlled apartments, cars, cable TV, entertainment in general, computers, phones, clothes...
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I didn't have A/C when I was in my 20s and 30s and now that I am in my 50s with a six-figure income, i don't use it, even on 95-degree days. I use fans. A/C is too expensive. And my climate is a lot hotter than it is in Provo, Utah.
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Hopefully, that was sarcasm. Many of these comments suggest poor people should have even less and everything should be taken away from them until they get off their butts and decide to be rich!
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No, only until they get off their butts and try to make good decisions and only buy things they can afford and only have children they can support.
Chaffetz' comments are just another in a long line of "let them eat cake!" pronouncements from an out-of-touch GOP.
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Obama made essentially the same comment about the need to properly prioritize one's budget in order to afford health insurance. The left did not criticize Obama at the time.
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Every citizen should be given the means of dialing 911. That is a matter of safety and health. No one should be -given- expensive fancy technology that they cannot afford.
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If you don't have a phone you can't dial anything. When you say the poor should only be able to dial 911, I take it you think they should also be blocked from healthcare. Unless in an emergency and then the hospital should eat the cost.
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I wonder how people survive in the 50th or 60th without a cell phone?
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And herein lays the problem- they voted for Chaffetz. We need to figure out why people keep voting for Republicans that don't support policy they believe in.
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Because the alternative would be to vote for a democrat and that is unthinkable.
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I agree that in today's society everyone needs a cell phone. In other cultures families don't have home PCs but have smart phones that keeps them in the mainstream of their society. Nowhere does it say that the cell phone has to be the most expensive cell phone available. There are many phones that are given free of charge with a monthly subscription.
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ID's, some of those phones are the best. I have gotten 2 IPhones that way. Both about to be made second best cause a new one was coming out, but, hey, a new IPhone, even last years model is good, especially when F R E E.
Chaffetz's remark is clearly out of touch with the real problems poor people face. But the response in this article errs very far on the other side.
The "need" for a cellphone (actually a smartphone, but who can be bothered with relevant details?) is so ginned up here, it is hard to understand how this piece can be presented as news or analysis rather than a liberal push piece (btw I identity as progressive).
Just 10 years ago, no one had a smartphone. And no one complained that life was too hard without such a device. Life was even harder for the poor, but not for that reason. Just 15 years ago, most people did not have cellphones. And few complained that life was too hard without mobile phone service.
Somehow, over a very short time, a very large range of activities that used to be considered indulgences have become the new normal. Because people are now used to having such opportunities, going without them now comes across as being deprived of a basic component of life.
Some of these activities - being contactable by employers who require it, being aware of shifting work schedules, and others - now require smartphones or some mobile device, and so, are genuine needs. But almost all of the "needs" mentioned in this article are not basic. They only come across that way to people who have become addicted to what smartphones provide, and no longer appreciate how life used to be without them. Life was fine, often better, without the addictions these devices fueled.
The "need" for a cellphone (actually a smartphone, but who can be bothered with relevant details?) is so ginned up here, it is hard to understand how this piece can be presented as news or analysis rather than a liberal push piece (btw I identity as progressive).
Just 10 years ago, no one had a smartphone. And no one complained that life was too hard without such a device. Life was even harder for the poor, but not for that reason. Just 15 years ago, most people did not have cellphones. And few complained that life was too hard without mobile phone service.
Somehow, over a very short time, a very large range of activities that used to be considered indulgences have become the new normal. Because people are now used to having such opportunities, going without them now comes across as being deprived of a basic component of life.
Some of these activities - being contactable by employers who require it, being aware of shifting work schedules, and others - now require smartphones or some mobile device, and so, are genuine needs. But almost all of the "needs" mentioned in this article are not basic. They only come across that way to people who have become addicted to what smartphones provide, and no longer appreciate how life used to be without them. Life was fine, often better, without the addictions these devices fueled.
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I don't have a smart phone or iPhone as can't afford. I have a flip phone which I paid $50 for last year. Only bought new flip phone as AT&T was phasing out the older Samsung phone I had (and which I liked better than current LG phone) so had to get new one. Representative Chaffetz' comments were rude and stupid; maybe some families or people need the more expensive phones but I don't. I have limited minutes (250) on phone so have to watch so don't go over. But I pay under $30 a month for those minutes. Could increase minutes but manage with 250 mts. most months. Costs $1.47 per minute if I go over 250. To AT&T's credit they have given me a refund; my land line broke in Feb. and had to use cell exclusively so got refund due to that problem. Bought new land line phone. Chaffetz should not make 'blanket' remarks about people unless he KNOWS their individual circumstances.
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$1.47 per minute of overage. Seriously that is messed up.
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The PPACA was sold to America as a freebie even though it has devastated the family finances of millions of us across the nation. The political loyalties of the lame-stream media demanded that there never be an honest consideration of how families' spending on healthcare triple and sometimes tripled again due to this awful mess rushed through a one party Congress in 2010.
So now whatever we do to try to fix this mess is going to stop draining the taxpayers so badly. Health insurance consumers must face the reality that dealing with the damage Obama and his chieftains wreaked on us is going to be a complicated process.
Many conservatives want to simply erase the law and want to go back to the situation we had before when EIGHTY percent of Americans were satisfied with the coverage they had.
Even socialists have to admit that the PPACA will never have the support of eighty percent of us.
So now whatever we do to try to fix this mess is going to stop draining the taxpayers so badly. Health insurance consumers must face the reality that dealing with the damage Obama and his chieftains wreaked on us is going to be a complicated process.
Many conservatives want to simply erase the law and want to go back to the situation we had before when EIGHTY percent of Americans were satisfied with the coverage they had.
Even socialists have to admit that the PPACA will never have the support of eighty percent of us.
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Mr. Hunter and his family are currently being swindled @ $100 per month for cell service. I know Sprint and Sprint MVNOs operate in Springville Utah - all along the Wasatch Front. I use one.
My wife and I get by with $28 month total for our 2 cell phones using a Sprint MVNO. We use cheap Moto E 2nd Gen phones. Textnow/Tello/Ting - pretty much any Sprint MVNO rather than what you are using currently would save you money - even Boost or Virgin Mobile... seriously do some research man.
My wife and I get by with $28 month total for our 2 cell phones using a Sprint MVNO. We use cheap Moto E 2nd Gen phones. Textnow/Tello/Ting - pretty much any Sprint MVNO rather than what you are using currently would save you money - even Boost or Virgin Mobile... seriously do some research man.
We are all struggling but my question for Mrs. Hunter is, you didn't support the ACA but supported the idea that states should handle their healthcare, but how is that working out for you? ACA was put in place in conjunction with The Medicaid Expansion plan to help families like yours. Now your state representative is chastising his constituents for voting for his ideas which don't benefit your family household needs. Next time you and your husband may need to rethink your vote.
Funny how the so-called smart advice comes down from some know it all who has never worked a hard day in their life
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Always. No summer job after they turn 16, just school (don't bother to work hard, Dad will 'talk' to someone about your grades), college (PARTEE TIME!) (see that new building over there? Dad gave it to the college, so I graduated.), grad school for an MBA (now lets see, where can I buy my thesis?). Then they walk into a company, never having worked a day, & demand a corner office, company car, 10 weeks vacation a year. In this society, if dad is worth enough, they get it. They don't have to know a thing. They don't do the companies work. From CEO down, only out for themselves. Big salary, bonuses, & just in case they ruin the company with lack of knowledge, a platinum parachute (gold is passé now). The workers? Who cares they mean nothing. What would happen if all "workers" walked off at the same time?
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I agree that Chaffetz' attitude is reprehensible and that mobile phones are basically essential today. I do find this article strange, however, in that its examples are mainly about sending pictures, keeping in touch with relatives, etc. When I think of doing without my phone (cheap Samsung), I worry more about emergencies, work, etc. I don't think this article explains well why cell phones are valued today.
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I guess either you live in the same area as your family, or it is so toxic that you have decided to pretend they do not exist, keeping in touch is not important. With today's mobile society keeping in touch, if you don't have a computer, requires a cell phone. With a plan that allowed unlimited texting, long distance, & at least some data sharing (like photos). I have a brother. Last of my family. He worked with computers his whole working life. He hates them, & refuses to have a computer, tablet, or cell phone. The first two I can see as there is no cable in his area (middle of nowhere, NH). We talk every other Sunday. See each other at least twice a year, Thanksgiving & Christmas. He is about to be 74. I wish he had at least a tablet & cell phone, he can afford them. I worry. When he is gone I will have no one who remembers me as a baby. Who remembers when I had chicken pox at 6 months (I don't remember it, just the family story). Who offered to come home from NYC & take me to my prom when my date canceled just a few days before. The person who would rather listen to me babble for an hour then not call, when he has nothing to say. Family is important. Not a, well I have a cell phone to keep in touch with work, might as well call them. That is part of what is wrong in this country right now. Lots of people care only for themselves, not family, community or country. As *45 says, "SAD", "So SAD".
The tragic idea is that his constituents will keep voting for him even though his comments and much worse even though he will likely vote for the $54 billions defense increase. Then the question for the representative is should we stop funding his health plan and other benefits to cover trump plan?
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The solution to illegal immigration and in fact, legal immigration, is to make America the worst first world country on the planet to live in. Republicans are making America a Great Country to Avoid. Soon enough, American citizens will be crowding foreign consulates in pursuit of visas to move to more hospitable, socially enlightened countries. Next up: The American Humane Society pivots from advocating for animals to advocating for the humane treatment of humans.
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Canada has already announced that Americans can not come here seeking refugee status. If we wish to live there we must have an iron clad job offer, that cannot be filled by a Canadian, & will never be eligible for either their medical program or retirement program. They used to have a program where a rich American could move to Canada after signing a document that they would 'invest' X amount of money (in the millions) every year. They stopped it recently. 1st world countries are working hard to keep our upper classes out. I hope they keep it up.
Chaffetz is an extremist, of course, but this is kind of a story built around a straw man.
Chaffetz wasn't saying choose between phone service and health care, he was saying a new $700 iphone is not a necessity -- which is itself a straw man argument. Chaffetz is right about that but it's ridiculous to suggest foregoing even a $700 iPhone is going to pay for health insurance.
These families through Obamacare now, even if they're not eligible for Medicaid, can get subsidized insurance that will cost them as little as $10-20 a month. Under Trumpcare, that will become $1500-2000 a month because the subsidies -- funded by a tax on Chaffetz's billionaire sponsors -- will be the first thing to be abolished.
Forgoing the most expensive Iphone won't even pay for a month's worth of premiums -- so they will go uninsured. And then they will go bankrupt when they get sick and show up at the emergency room. And the hospitals will cover that loss by raising everybody else's hospital bills, raising insurance premiums for everybody in Utah.
The final irony, of course, is that low-income people in Utah voted Republican and will always vote Republican. They'd rather suffer economic hardship than be associated with "liberals" with their elitist big city ideas about abortion and gay rights.
Chaffetz may be a boob but he's smart enough to know that the only risk of him losing his seat will come from an even more extreme right-wing Repubican.
Chaffetz wasn't saying choose between phone service and health care, he was saying a new $700 iphone is not a necessity -- which is itself a straw man argument. Chaffetz is right about that but it's ridiculous to suggest foregoing even a $700 iPhone is going to pay for health insurance.
These families through Obamacare now, even if they're not eligible for Medicaid, can get subsidized insurance that will cost them as little as $10-20 a month. Under Trumpcare, that will become $1500-2000 a month because the subsidies -- funded by a tax on Chaffetz's billionaire sponsors -- will be the first thing to be abolished.
Forgoing the most expensive Iphone won't even pay for a month's worth of premiums -- so they will go uninsured. And then they will go bankrupt when they get sick and show up at the emergency room. And the hospitals will cover that loss by raising everybody else's hospital bills, raising insurance premiums for everybody in Utah.
The final irony, of course, is that low-income people in Utah voted Republican and will always vote Republican. They'd rather suffer economic hardship than be associated with "liberals" with their elitist big city ideas about abortion and gay rights.
Chaffetz may be a boob but he's smart enough to know that the only risk of him losing his seat will come from an even more extreme right-wing Repubican.
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Or the Citizens' Army marching on Washington. Certain things (like health care & a good education) need mandates. Health care must first be made affordable, with decent benefits ($20 a month that pays for nothing is not worth $20 a month), then the mandate where the penalty matches the cost of the insurance. Most people will pay for insurance if the alternative is to pay the same amount for nothing.
As far as education is concerned, every school, in every state should be given a basic curriculum. With tests at the end of every year. Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, mathematics, history, geography, civics. Depending on grade level. Those who fail do not pass, no more social promotions for anyone. Once those courses are taught they can teach anything (except religion), basket weaving, home EC, technology classes (in tech high schools). Getting each child ready upon graduation to either (depending on courses & grades) to go to college or a tech school. To learn something that leads to a career. Unskilled labor is not a career. Flunk or drop out your "adult" national ID will be stamped unemployable for anything requiring learning. No GED classes will be held. If you don't graduate, don't ace the senior civics course, you don't ever vote. Your national ID will let you vote. In any state. All states connected by computer, on National Election Days the internet will be cut off from the world & monitored for any attempt to rig the election. Doing so will be a capital offense.
As far as education is concerned, every school, in every state should be given a basic curriculum. With tests at the end of every year. Reading, writing, arithmetic, science, mathematics, history, geography, civics. Depending on grade level. Those who fail do not pass, no more social promotions for anyone. Once those courses are taught they can teach anything (except religion), basket weaving, home EC, technology classes (in tech high schools). Getting each child ready upon graduation to either (depending on courses & grades) to go to college or a tech school. To learn something that leads to a career. Unskilled labor is not a career. Flunk or drop out your "adult" national ID will be stamped unemployable for anything requiring learning. No GED classes will be held. If you don't graduate, don't ace the senior civics course, you don't ever vote. Your national ID will let you vote. In any state. All states connected by computer, on National Election Days the internet will be cut off from the world & monitored for any attempt to rig the election. Doing so will be a capital offense.
Yes people need a phone and the cost pales in comparison to the cost of health insurance and Chaffetz should feel shame for suggesting otherwise. But it sounds bad to say but am I supposed to sympathize with people who have more children than they can afford? Of course I sympathize but whewn you have more children than you can afford, you have created a problem for yourself. We cannot help the circumstances into which we are born and I strongly support (through HIGHER TAXES) funding public programs (schools, libraries, the arts, medical care, child care) to promote equal opportunities regardless of wealth, but at the same time we certainly CAN help the number of children we have. If you make $1800 per month, three children is a lot of children to have. It seems people just treat it as a matter of routine that they have children and society should bear the burden of their choice to have a large family. It would be political suicide to suggest this, but family planning is part of budgeting.
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Two questions, both about the very recent past.
How did we survive before there were mobile phones?
How did we survive before there were smart phones?
For poor people: there is free computer & internet access in every public library.
How did we survive before there were mobile phones?
How did we survive before there were smart phones?
For poor people: there is free computer & internet access in every public library.
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Job postings and applications are mostly online now. Libraries have closed or cut hours due to government funding cutbacks. It's difficult for people who work or take care of family to get there. Cell phones are a necessity now, not a luxury
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Springville, Utah, has a lovely public libarary that is open till 9 p.m. five days a week and to 6 p.m. on Fridays. With plenty of resources for the cash-strapped family.
https://www.springville.org/library/
https://www.springville.org/library/
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Let's pay Chaffetz and the rest of his colleagues $35,000 a year and see what kind of a health insurance plan they come up with.
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And they actually voted for him?! Then suck it up or vote him out.
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Completely missing his point regarding the cell phone comment. There are many Americans (not all) that have very low incomes yet have the newest device, giant flat screen and craft beer in the refrigerator- yet the thought of saving extra money for those antibiotics and doctors visit when they get sick is a foreign concept.
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Because after saving the money from all that stuff they wouldn't have even half a months insurance premium under Ryan's plan.
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The "new iPhone" part of my bill is $31.24/month. My health insurance is $807/month. Like the family in the article, my phone is my lifeline for work, personal safety, and personal use. I believe Mr. Chaffetz is challenged in his math skills. One month of health insurance is 26 times more expensive than my phone. Health insurance in our family of 3 costs more than our mortgage. The Republican plan is going to take insurance away from millions, and leave the remaining with higher costs, not lower, and reduced coverage. It needs to be defeated.
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Why do people keep voting for these Republicans who despise them and constantly hold them under suspicion of laziness and stupidity?
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Because Republicans have cynically linked vote for them as a vote for Jesus.
Geez people, he wasn't saying you don't need a phone. He said a new iPhone 7, one of the most expensive phones on the market. If you are struggling to make ends meet, get an older smartphone or even (gasp!) a non smart phone. Get a prepaid phone and us it sparingly. He was trying to point out that people need to prioritize what is important in your budget.
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That's actually what most poor people do. Now how do they afford insurance?
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At this point in time, phones at EVERY price range are available at any price, and FREE. You can get a free phone from Tracphone and other places, by purchasing a "minutes card". My husband did this. It's not the latest -- it is reconditioned -- but it is a very nice touch-screen phone that you can text and go on the internet with! and take photos. IT WAS FREE.
Anyone on food stamps or disability automatically qualifies for a FREE Obamaphone with free minutes. Again, it will not be the latest phone, but you can get a touch screen. You can also choose a landline. FREE!!!
But I know people on welfare, my own nieghbors and family members, and they refuse the FREE Obamaphone to pay money for the latest iPhone. It is a very, very important status symbol. This article is not honest about how great the pressure is to have this kind of status symbol, even if you are in a homeless shelter or on welfare! that's how sick our society is.
Yes, you need a phone and because of that, our system gives FREE phones to the poor. The working class has access to many types of very inexpensive phones. An iPhone is no more "necessary" than is owning a Mercedes, when you could get a free or low cost Chevy Cruze!!!! Yet the poor are indeed spending their very few discretionary dollars on fancy phones and data plans, rather than on food, shelter, heat, health care.
Anyone on food stamps or disability automatically qualifies for a FREE Obamaphone with free minutes. Again, it will not be the latest phone, but you can get a touch screen. You can also choose a landline. FREE!!!
But I know people on welfare, my own nieghbors and family members, and they refuse the FREE Obamaphone to pay money for the latest iPhone. It is a very, very important status symbol. This article is not honest about how great the pressure is to have this kind of status symbol, even if you are in a homeless shelter or on welfare! that's how sick our society is.
Yes, you need a phone and because of that, our system gives FREE phones to the poor. The working class has access to many types of very inexpensive phones. An iPhone is no more "necessary" than is owning a Mercedes, when you could get a free or low cost Chevy Cruze!!!! Yet the poor are indeed spending their very few discretionary dollars on fancy phones and data plans, rather than on food, shelter, heat, health care.
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I was a tech worker in the first wave of this stuff in the 1990's. My background in school was the behavioral science of technology transfer. I am an off duck in that I had a PC on my desk in 1979 before Apple and Before Microsoft.
I watch today as people cannot disconnect from their hand held computers. For them it is as addictive as Heroin. It is a mass addiction to say the least. It has affected people when they drive, when they are sitting down with friends having lunch, and while they are supposed to be working.
I think the member of Congress was somewhat inarticulate in his comments. But, he is on to something. People are taking to these phones like a drug.
I have a iPhone. I turn it off when I go to bed, and I don't turn it on until I leave the house in the morning. (I have a land line for instant 911 location identification). I turn the ringer off when I am eating with my friends at lunch and I have forced them to do the same or get lunch with someone else.
We are in the midst of a national addiction. Either you control your technology or it controls you. If you are on a limited budget, dump the cell phones, get a "life line" account land line and learn to live without it.
Spend the money on the cell phone toward health insurance. If you cannot afford it with that saved money, then put it in the bank to pay for a doctor when you kid gets sick in cash.
Then, think before you vote the next time.
I watch today as people cannot disconnect from their hand held computers. For them it is as addictive as Heroin. It is a mass addiction to say the least. It has affected people when they drive, when they are sitting down with friends having lunch, and while they are supposed to be working.
I think the member of Congress was somewhat inarticulate in his comments. But, he is on to something. People are taking to these phones like a drug.
I have a iPhone. I turn it off when I go to bed, and I don't turn it on until I leave the house in the morning. (I have a land line for instant 911 location identification). I turn the ringer off when I am eating with my friends at lunch and I have forced them to do the same or get lunch with someone else.
We are in the midst of a national addiction. Either you control your technology or it controls you. If you are on a limited budget, dump the cell phones, get a "life line" account land line and learn to live without it.
Spend the money on the cell phone toward health insurance. If you cannot afford it with that saved money, then put it in the bank to pay for a doctor when you kid gets sick in cash.
Then, think before you vote the next time.
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The money you save by not having a smart phone won't be nearly enough to buy insurance or pay medical bills
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I'd like to know how dependent Chaffetz is on his cell phone. We already know his health care is paid for by OUR tax dollars - Every penny of his champagne policy comes from our hard earned money so why would he know that its cost far outweighs that of a phone.
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Wish I could "recommend" this post 1000 times. I too am an early adopter -- had an Apple II back in the late 70s -- countless laptops and desktop PCs -- I work in a tech-related field. I'm not a Luddite. But there is something crazed going on with the ADDICTION people have towards phones. It has literally changed society in just a few years. You can't go anywhere that people are not staring hypnotically at their phones, and not listening to anything around them -- as if they were in a trance.
The other day, I was driving behind a car that was meandering on the road, swerving to the center lines, then back and going too slow. I pulled alongside, to see that the driver -- a young woman in her 20s -- was STEERING with her KNEES (in fairly heavy traffic) -- while she had BOTH HANDS on her phone, texting. She was utterly absorbed in what she was doing, and barely glancing up to look at the road! it is a pure miracle she has not killed or maimed anyone, including HERSELF.
I've seen this many times, including people (adults over 45!) who were doing the same thing, often with CHILDREN in the back seat. Texting, sharing photos, checking Facebook, responding instantly to a phone call etc. were more important than THE LIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN.
This is sick and this is deeply troubling. People who can't pay their bills, can't afford health care or food or winter boots for their kids (or themselves!) cannot afford the latest iPhone, yet I see clearly they do have them.
The other day, I was driving behind a car that was meandering on the road, swerving to the center lines, then back and going too slow. I pulled alongside, to see that the driver -- a young woman in her 20s -- was STEERING with her KNEES (in fairly heavy traffic) -- while she had BOTH HANDS on her phone, texting. She was utterly absorbed in what she was doing, and barely glancing up to look at the road! it is a pure miracle she has not killed or maimed anyone, including HERSELF.
I've seen this many times, including people (adults over 45!) who were doing the same thing, often with CHILDREN in the back seat. Texting, sharing photos, checking Facebook, responding instantly to a phone call etc. were more important than THE LIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN.
This is sick and this is deeply troubling. People who can't pay their bills, can't afford health care or food or winter boots for their kids (or themselves!) cannot afford the latest iPhone, yet I see clearly they do have them.
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Why is no one asking their representatives how much they are paying for their healthcare and what is their deductible? In North Carolina, if a state politician has been in office for one year then their coverage is for life and their premium is paid for by the taxpayer. We need to ask the real question on how does this change in the ACA effect them?
Chaffetz has no idea what health care costs because WE pay for his and he gets the best policy that exists as a member of Congress - for FREE on our tax dollars. I think he should give that up and get himself some literature on what the real people's lives are like. I say it's simple - vote him out of the swamp and take away his benefits. That is the only way he will come to understand anything.
Jason Chaffetz mentality is straight out of the Reagan Republican 70s playbook wherein all "Those People" on government subsidies were "welfare queens." The classic line was that all "Those People" were "driving around in their Cadillacs."
So now, the GOP has substituted "iPhone" for "Cadillac." Wow. Now there's progress.
Republicans maintain their holier-than-thou attitude, magnified exponentially by Chaffetz' Mormonism, that anyone needing assistance is a bum, a freeloader, a lazy do-nothing slob lying around all day getting "free" money from the taxpayers.
Isn't that exactly what all the Republicans in Congress are? When was the last time they had to struggle for the basics, scramble to get health insurance, stand in line for hours to apply for a crappy job that pays $10 an hour with zero benefits, etc. They have no idea that you can buy a "disposable" phone at WalMart for about twenty bucks. Republicans don't realize most folks don't have nannies and servants.
NYTimes must publish the cost of Jason Chaffetz' taxpayer-paid health, dental, vision, pension (and the "employer" match), cell phones, internet access, email, staff, etc. for he and everyone in his family tree. He and all the rest of the lazy, freeloading bums of Congress who do absolutely nothing for the public good.
So now, the GOP has substituted "iPhone" for "Cadillac." Wow. Now there's progress.
Republicans maintain their holier-than-thou attitude, magnified exponentially by Chaffetz' Mormonism, that anyone needing assistance is a bum, a freeloader, a lazy do-nothing slob lying around all day getting "free" money from the taxpayers.
Isn't that exactly what all the Republicans in Congress are? When was the last time they had to struggle for the basics, scramble to get health insurance, stand in line for hours to apply for a crappy job that pays $10 an hour with zero benefits, etc. They have no idea that you can buy a "disposable" phone at WalMart for about twenty bucks. Republicans don't realize most folks don't have nannies and servants.
NYTimes must publish the cost of Jason Chaffetz' taxpayer-paid health, dental, vision, pension (and the "employer" match), cell phones, internet access, email, staff, etc. for he and everyone in his family tree. He and all the rest of the lazy, freeloading bums of Congress who do absolutely nothing for the public good.
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Chaffetz made a stupid remark (though he did say "THE NEWEST iPhone" and is being quoted incorrectly) and he will likely pay for this with his job. Just like HIllary and her "deplorables" comment. You'd think politicians would know better.
But in truth: nobody is saying "poor folks are not permitted cellphones". They actually can get FREE Obamaphones, with free minutes! They can get free landlines. And yes, every discount store sells $10 basic phones and phone cards starting at $10 a month.
The problem is that most poor people scorn this. They don't want a "poor phone" that marks them as a loser and a poor person. They want status and all the nice things they see on TV -- and on TV, all the cool people have the latest iPhone the second it comes out, or an equally expensive Android, Samsung Galaxy or what have you.
People in MY OWN FAMILY will come up, when we see one another after an absence, and say "oh looky at MY NEW PHONE!" -- not my kids pictures, my pets, my house, my life, my vacation pix. Look at my bleepin' new expensive PHONE and all its features. I am ashamed they are my relatives, with such pathetic materialism.
Poor people are the most susceptible to marketing schemes and ads; they often have no education to see beyond the pitch lines, and little self control. That is often how they ended up poor -- bad choices, no self-discipline, no ability to postpone desires -- and no ability to budget or have the slightest idea what they can afford.
But in truth: nobody is saying "poor folks are not permitted cellphones". They actually can get FREE Obamaphones, with free minutes! They can get free landlines. And yes, every discount store sells $10 basic phones and phone cards starting at $10 a month.
The problem is that most poor people scorn this. They don't want a "poor phone" that marks them as a loser and a poor person. They want status and all the nice things they see on TV -- and on TV, all the cool people have the latest iPhone the second it comes out, or an equally expensive Android, Samsung Galaxy or what have you.
People in MY OWN FAMILY will come up, when we see one another after an absence, and say "oh looky at MY NEW PHONE!" -- not my kids pictures, my pets, my house, my life, my vacation pix. Look at my bleepin' new expensive PHONE and all its features. I am ashamed they are my relatives, with such pathetic materialism.
Poor people are the most susceptible to marketing schemes and ads; they often have no education to see beyond the pitch lines, and little self control. That is often how they ended up poor -- bad choices, no self-discipline, no ability to postpone desires -- and no ability to budget or have the slightest idea what they can afford.
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When the cell phone companies (monopolies) offer payment plans based on the income of the participant, then Chaffetz can open his uninformed and frankly, quite stupid, mouth. Until then, he she should be about representing ALL of his constituents, not only those he deems financially worthy. And, oh yeah I almost forgot, he should be voted out of office.
Steven Kolpan
Woodstock, NY
Steven Kolpan
Woodstock, NY
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This was a great article and it really does show that choosing between a cell phone and insurance is a false choice. They are now necessities and not a luxury item.
I was interested in the questions of morality and leadership presented in the article. I am a compassionist, centrist. And I don't like Jason Chaffets. His cravenness once again has been demonstrated by asking the poor to make such a choice.
But I did find something off-putting in this article. Ms. Delacruz' expenses include a $400 car payment!! Is it just me, but isn't this way too much for a car payment! I make a good living, and I a remain uncomfortable about spending this much a month for my car!
I am happy for my tax dollars to go to Medicaid expansion because I believe we are all interconnected and think it is the morally right thing to do.
But, for example, let's say we could all agree that she should not be spending $200. It is my moral obligation to support the first $200, and to say with love and compassion that the other $200 is rightfully mine (directly or indirectly, be being spent on something else.)
The fact that Mr. Chaffetz doesn't understand how to communicate this truism with love and campassion may qualify him as a politician, but it surely does not make him a leader or a good person.
I was interested in the questions of morality and leadership presented in the article. I am a compassionist, centrist. And I don't like Jason Chaffets. His cravenness once again has been demonstrated by asking the poor to make such a choice.
But I did find something off-putting in this article. Ms. Delacruz' expenses include a $400 car payment!! Is it just me, but isn't this way too much for a car payment! I make a good living, and I a remain uncomfortable about spending this much a month for my car!
I am happy for my tax dollars to go to Medicaid expansion because I believe we are all interconnected and think it is the morally right thing to do.
But, for example, let's say we could all agree that she should not be spending $200. It is my moral obligation to support the first $200, and to say with love and compassion that the other $200 is rightfully mine (directly or indirectly, be being spent on something else.)
The fact that Mr. Chaffetz doesn't understand how to communicate this truism with love and campassion may qualify him as a politician, but it surely does not make him a leader or a good person.
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What you're saying is great in a utopian world - reality is you can't legislate love nor should you. Those types of charitable operations are better suited to the family's of the affected, churches and non-profits of the world at a local level - not the federal government.
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Rocknroller, interesting that you'd zero in on their car payment. In many cities, a car is essential to get to work as public transportation isn't a practical option. Do you know why her payment is $400? It may be because the family's meager earnings forces late or slow bill payment thus driving up their interest rates. That was my case several years ago when I was underemployed. The only way I was able to get out of that trap was to earn more money. Fortunately I was able to find a job that paid me more. Not everyone would be so lucky.
Let's ask a few questions before we cast judgement.
Let's ask a few questions before we cast judgement.
Having an internet connection is not a luxury; is a necessity in 2017. Banking, utilities, job searching, and many more day to day things cannot be done without internet access and hold people back if they don't. Having a computer and internet connection at home is much more cost prohibitive.
I fully support this family's choice to have smartphones.
I fully support this family's choice to have smartphones.
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Chaffetz's stupid and insensitive comment is just more proof to all of us, his constituents included, of how clueless and irresponsible the GOP are with their lack of decent, human perspective for others who are not like them and with their archaic and vindictive policies. Kick out the GOP in 2018!
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The basic financial issue with the Hunters is being Mormon. This "religion" has mandatory policies that induce poverty on the believers. Between the 10% gross tithing and the expectation to marry young and have as many children as possible regardless of circumstances keeps followers in poverty and the followers are so brainwashed they don't see a way out. LDS should be providing free insurance at the very least.
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Uh....except as a group, Mormons are wealthy and successful -- exceeding most American subcultures except for Asians.
They have slightly larger families, but do NOT prohibit birth control as Roman Catholicism does. PLEASE do not take your impression of actual Mormons in the official LDS Church from the old TV series, "Big Love", which is FICTION.
Mormons have less dependence on welfare than almost any other religious group. They are NOT POOR. This article is very misleading. Also, most of them do NOT tithe as it is simply too costly for young families with kids. They give what they can, but not a full 10% of pre-tax income.
BTW: no religion in the USA has "mandatory policies". Nobody can force you to join any church, or follow any religious rules.
They have slightly larger families, but do NOT prohibit birth control as Roman Catholicism does. PLEASE do not take your impression of actual Mormons in the official LDS Church from the old TV series, "Big Love", which is FICTION.
Mormons have less dependence on welfare than almost any other religious group. They are NOT POOR. This article is very misleading. Also, most of them do NOT tithe as it is simply too costly for young families with kids. They give what they can, but not a full 10% of pre-tax income.
BTW: no religion in the USA has "mandatory policies". Nobody can force you to join any church, or follow any religious rules.
Um, $13 per hour and three kids? Start with that.
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Strange interpretive article, I can't quite grasp the author's intent.
It's chock full of pointless detail ("chopping potatoes"), it includes odd misrepresentations (low income broke people don't have to discuss "doing their taxes" they just quickly fill out a form), and peculiar tidbits ("we'll pray for you") and unlikely events (tripped over a wheelchair causing longstanding back pain) while ignoring obvious points of substance that should have been included (the range of low cost phone services, do they have cable TV?) It's just weird.
Am I supposed to sympathize or be irritated? I'd rather not be either. I'd like to give consideration to their economic thinking, not their emotional lives.
It's chock full of pointless detail ("chopping potatoes"), it includes odd misrepresentations (low income broke people don't have to discuss "doing their taxes" they just quickly fill out a form), and peculiar tidbits ("we'll pray for you") and unlikely events (tripped over a wheelchair causing longstanding back pain) while ignoring obvious points of substance that should have been included (the range of low cost phone services, do they have cable TV?) It's just weird.
Am I supposed to sympathize or be irritated? I'd rather not be either. I'd like to give consideration to their economic thinking, not their emotional lives.
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Oh, the Hunters are religious!!!!
What a shock!!!!
What a shock!!!!
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Conservatives believe that if you are rich, you deserve it and are entitled to everything. They also believe that if you are poor, it is "obviously" your fault. A conservative woman I have known for many years, posted a very snarky comment on her facebook page about how unnecessary the Day without Women was for her. I counted 8 "I"s in 7 sentences. No mention, of course, about her being an only child of very well to do parents, or colleagues or mentors that helped her along the way, or anyone else but herself. And, one of her supporters suggested that the women involved with the Day without Women event were "whiny" and should be glad they don't live in Saudia Arabia. Of course, a conservative would say that poor folks should give up their smart phone....and probably their TVs, air conditioning -- anything that might make their hard lives easier or even slightly more pleasant.
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CBS Sunday Morning dedicated the entire program to the history of cancer and cancer research. Face The Nation host John Dickerson, ironically, is attempting to expose the GOP cancer soon to attack healthcare in the United States.
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Would the NYT please ask Mr. Chaffetz what phone he uses, when he last switched to it and who pays the bills for that phone? Pending that answer, I will continue to believe his statement about choice was (and is) nonsensical.
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Also review his life to see whether he got a college degree and got a good job before having kids.
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Mr. Chaffetz is not poor. He has a job. He earns $175,000 a year as a Congressman. That's what it pays. He can afford the latest phone, or his job pays for it. That's how life works, Robert.
Affluent people can have the latest phones. POOR PEOPLE CANNOT. Mr. Chaffetz may well drive a Lexus, too. Does it follow that every poor person deserves a Lexus?
Affluent people can have the latest phones. POOR PEOPLE CANNOT. Mr. Chaffetz may well drive a Lexus, too. Does it follow that every poor person deserves a Lexus?
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You clearly missed the sarcasm in my post as your comment was overwrought and missed the point. The point, to clarify it further, was about empathy, or lack thereof. and being in touch with people less fortunate. Which, btw, is exactly the point of the article. Remain calm.
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I worked at a county hospital. Most of our patients had smartphones. These were necessary, since many were homeless despite having jobs and absolutely required a cell phone to survive. Even the ones with homes used their cell phones to communicate with work, make doctor's appointments, make decisions about what food to buy and to remember their medications.
Jason Chaffetz is right that nobody needs a brand new iPhone -- but he's wrong to imply that the poor and uninsured are all running around with brand new phones. None of my patients had new iPhones. Mostly they had second hand phones (sometimes iPhones) or cheap smartphones that broke within two years, costing even more money.
Are there poor people with brand new iPhones running around? Sure. I haven't met them, but I'm sure Fox news has found ever single one of them and done a special. But even if you see someone poor with a "luxery" item, you don't know how they came by it. A classmate of mine, a single mom on public assistance, got a brand new iPad from her child's grandmother. She would have rather had groceries or help with the rent, but Grandma lived in another country and wanted to be able to facetime her grand-daughter. What's my friend going to do? She could maybe sell the thing for $250, but then she's alienating her child's family and not even getting enough money to pay her rent for a month.
Jason Chaffetz is right that nobody needs a brand new iPhone -- but he's wrong to imply that the poor and uninsured are all running around with brand new phones. None of my patients had new iPhones. Mostly they had second hand phones (sometimes iPhones) or cheap smartphones that broke within two years, costing even more money.
Are there poor people with brand new iPhones running around? Sure. I haven't met them, but I'm sure Fox news has found ever single one of them and done a special. But even if you see someone poor with a "luxery" item, you don't know how they came by it. A classmate of mine, a single mom on public assistance, got a brand new iPad from her child's grandmother. She would have rather had groceries or help with the rent, but Grandma lived in another country and wanted to be able to facetime her grand-daughter. What's my friend going to do? She could maybe sell the thing for $250, but then she's alienating her child's family and not even getting enough money to pay her rent for a month.
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Surely you know that there is a difference between a cellphone and a smartphone. I hope I don't have to explain it to you!
Nobody is denying poor people a basic cellphone, which in fact they get FOR FREE by the Obamaphone program.
The issue is that many such poor people FORGO that FREE phone, to PAY MONEY (they don't really have) to get the most expensive new iPhone or other high end phone. This is about status. Yes, poor people want the same high status things as everyone else. Many refuse to admit their poverty, or work to make things better because they give in to impulse purchases -- making them "feel good" for a few days, until they are overwhelmed with bills for the stuff they CANNOT AFFORD.
Nobody said "every poor person" has a brand new phone, but you'd be shocked how many do. I live amongst many neighbors on Section 8, welfare, food stamps. I see their phones, which are new and high end. They brag openly about their "great new phone" while their kids run around in torn t-shirts and no snow boots in winter. They brag about their new iPhone and unlimited data plan, while they are being evicted. I am not kidding. These are not "stories I have heard" but real people I know in person.
iPhones are not "superior phones", in fact they are fragile and break as much or more as plain ordinary phones.
That person who accepted a fancy iPad from Grandma? when they did not have rent or food? SHAME ON BOTH OF THEM. $250 would buy a month of groceries! or 2 weeks rent!
Nobody is denying poor people a basic cellphone, which in fact they get FOR FREE by the Obamaphone program.
The issue is that many such poor people FORGO that FREE phone, to PAY MONEY (they don't really have) to get the most expensive new iPhone or other high end phone. This is about status. Yes, poor people want the same high status things as everyone else. Many refuse to admit their poverty, or work to make things better because they give in to impulse purchases -- making them "feel good" for a few days, until they are overwhelmed with bills for the stuff they CANNOT AFFORD.
Nobody said "every poor person" has a brand new phone, but you'd be shocked how many do. I live amongst many neighbors on Section 8, welfare, food stamps. I see their phones, which are new and high end. They brag openly about their "great new phone" while their kids run around in torn t-shirts and no snow boots in winter. They brag about their new iPhone and unlimited data plan, while they are being evicted. I am not kidding. These are not "stories I have heard" but real people I know in person.
iPhones are not "superior phones", in fact they are fragile and break as much or more as plain ordinary phones.
That person who accepted a fancy iPad from Grandma? when they did not have rent or food? SHAME ON BOTH OF THEM. $250 would buy a month of groceries! or 2 weeks rent!
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I don't understand this contempt for the poor. Does Mr. Chaffetz understand that he himself is a beneficiary of so much government largesse? Or is he under the mistaken opinion that he is actually earning the substantial financial support that we pay for? Or that he has some special attributes or qualities that he can sneer at those who struggle? For those of us who don't have to choose between a cell phone and a computer, a monthly car note or an apartment large enough for a family, or any of the many competing needs that beset the poor, isn't charity of heart something that we can freely give?
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Again, any excuse not to provide affordable health care (and when I say affordable in a rich country like the US that supposedly is evolved and believes in equality for all -- it should be FREE) -- as if having a cell phone in this day and age is a luxury, wake up Chavetz, a cell phone in developing countries is a God-send, and most have it instead of a land line. What planet do you live on?
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Enough is enough. As a nation, we need to take a step back and see how we're doing healthcare wrong. Our system developed haphazardly and today represents no coherent plan. It costs too much, enriches a very few, and leaves far too many people behind.
Why is basic healthcare being treated like an optional service? When needed, it's not optional. In a civilized society, it should be available for all, and with equal access, and without personal financial ruin looming in the event of illness. In poll after poll, that basic idea is what a majority of Americans say they want.
So let's finally assume healthcare for all, then engineer a system that delivers it while preserving incentives to reduce costs, reward innovation, and support public health research. We'd save money, enjoy better healthcare, and stop the national anxiety.
Instead, Congress and Trump are moving to put in place another complicated half-measure, this one clearly rigged to benefit the insurance and drug industries, all under the guise of giving people "more choice." This from politicians who enjoy one of the best healthcare plans anywhere.
Let's make a real choice: one system for basic healthcare that covers all Americans equally. We're either one nation, or we're not. If you want plastic surgery, you could still get it if you're willing to pay. But if you're a machinist with long-term exposure to Methylene Chloride, a degreasing agent, you shouldn't think twice about seeing a doctor to get checked out.
Why is basic healthcare being treated like an optional service? When needed, it's not optional. In a civilized society, it should be available for all, and with equal access, and without personal financial ruin looming in the event of illness. In poll after poll, that basic idea is what a majority of Americans say they want.
So let's finally assume healthcare for all, then engineer a system that delivers it while preserving incentives to reduce costs, reward innovation, and support public health research. We'd save money, enjoy better healthcare, and stop the national anxiety.
Instead, Congress and Trump are moving to put in place another complicated half-measure, this one clearly rigged to benefit the insurance and drug industries, all under the guise of giving people "more choice." This from politicians who enjoy one of the best healthcare plans anywhere.
Let's make a real choice: one system for basic healthcare that covers all Americans equally. We're either one nation, or we're not. If you want plastic surgery, you could still get it if you're willing to pay. But if you're a machinist with long-term exposure to Methylene Chloride, a degreasing agent, you shouldn't think twice about seeing a doctor to get checked out.
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Inexpensive new and used cell phones that are not tethered to any cell phone company are readily available, and one can easily communicate with friends and family using free wi-fi service and apps such as WhatsApp. Time and again friends visiting from overseas have told me they'll call from the next 'hot spot' while visiting the US. These are folks that could afford cell service here, but don't bother.
For US residents who want cellular service, Metro PCS is about $30/month, while a 'single' health insurance policy on the open market in NYC is $550-$800, with deductibles and co-insurance in the $4500-$7500 range. A prepaid phone is another cheap alternative.
Rep. Chafetz seems unaware at best and unfeeling and unrepresentative at worst. Landlines are much more expensive and less useful, and many do without. But seriously, one cannot go without a phone in modern society. How would one go about setting up job interviews, doctor's (or any other kind) of appointment, keep track of children activities, and so on? This is not to mention the social isolation that not having a phone brings with it today.
For US residents who want cellular service, Metro PCS is about $30/month, while a 'single' health insurance policy on the open market in NYC is $550-$800, with deductibles and co-insurance in the $4500-$7500 range. A prepaid phone is another cheap alternative.
Rep. Chafetz seems unaware at best and unfeeling and unrepresentative at worst. Landlines are much more expensive and less useful, and many do without. But seriously, one cannot go without a phone in modern society. How would one go about setting up job interviews, doctor's (or any other kind) of appointment, keep track of children activities, and so on? This is not to mention the social isolation that not having a phone brings with it today.
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The biggest rip of cell phones is the two year contract. Originally, the idea was to incorporate the cost of the phone in the contract. When the phone was paid off through the monthly charges, however, the cell company kept on making the resulting profit.
Not having a contract was somehow promoted as being a lesser service. I would guess that most people don't realize that a non-contract phone uses the same, the very same, networks of the branded contract phones.
The worst part of a contract is that it allows the cell company to add various charges here and there on the bill and then the customer has to fight to try to get them removed. Good luck. Most people just pay the charges because they don't have the time to sit around waiting to talk to someone and because getting the charges removed is very unlikely anyway.
I once had three phones on the same contract. I no longer needed the third one, so I called repeatedly to have it removed. Month after month, unused, that third phone kept appearing on the bill. In this way, hundreds of millions of dollars are stolen from people, many of whom don't have any extra money to spare. Ain't free enterprise grand?
Very simple: if you don't have a two yr. contract, the company is beholden to you. If you have a contract, you are a mark for rip-offs, got it?
Not having a contract was somehow promoted as being a lesser service. I would guess that most people don't realize that a non-contract phone uses the same, the very same, networks of the branded contract phones.
The worst part of a contract is that it allows the cell company to add various charges here and there on the bill and then the customer has to fight to try to get them removed. Good luck. Most people just pay the charges because they don't have the time to sit around waiting to talk to someone and because getting the charges removed is very unlikely anyway.
I once had three phones on the same contract. I no longer needed the third one, so I called repeatedly to have it removed. Month after month, unused, that third phone kept appearing on the bill. In this way, hundreds of millions of dollars are stolen from people, many of whom don't have any extra money to spare. Ain't free enterprise grand?
Very simple: if you don't have a two yr. contract, the company is beholden to you. If you have a contract, you are a mark for rip-offs, got it?
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Typical, elitist hogwash from the better than thou, all knowing republicans. Do as we say because we know better than the rest of you. We are superior. We are in charge. You are incapable of running your own lives. It's so ironic that these are the traits that the republicans accuse the democrats of having.
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Whenever I see Mr. Chaffetz on television, I wonder what kind of people could continue to send such a despicable person to Washington as their "representative". The saddest part of this piece is that these people will never consider the fact that there is a connection between their hardscrabble existence and the way they vote.
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Message received mr. chaffetz, if TRUMPCARE passes we will start selling our shares of Apple stock.
Since, by your own admission, your idiot base won't be able to afford both an iPhone and TRUMPCARE together Apple will just have to go under.
America's becoming greater already.
Since, by your own admission, your idiot base won't be able to afford both an iPhone and TRUMPCARE together Apple will just have to go under.
America's becoming greater already.
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In Germany I pay 10 Euros a month for unlimited calling, 33 Euros for internet and 140 channels of TV and 112 Euros a month for medical and dental treatments, doctors visits and outpatient treatment no co-pay and meds 5 to 10 Euros.
I get really upset about how my country men and women pay through the nose for these necessities in the USA. Every time I hear the same old same old song about socialist Europe I want to pull my last 5 hairs out of my head!
Now with the new improved Trump care looming its just going to get much worse and one of the biggest tragedy's will be how many of the Trump voters will find themselves out on the street, but wait most of that will happen in 2020 after the Republicans squeeze one more election in between.
What does it take for Americans to finally wake up to how they are being Hugely ripped off.
Until one lives here you don't understand that the middleclass is alive and well here. Sure there are some poor but a huge difference is there is not so many 1%. CEO's make very nice money, many have multiple homes here and abroad but they don't get paid the obscene sums that corporate America and Wall Street feel they deserve.
Dieter Zetsche of Daimler Benz earned a modest 8.5 million Euros last year chump change compared to his American colleagues.
I get really upset about how my country men and women pay through the nose for these necessities in the USA. Every time I hear the same old same old song about socialist Europe I want to pull my last 5 hairs out of my head!
Now with the new improved Trump care looming its just going to get much worse and one of the biggest tragedy's will be how many of the Trump voters will find themselves out on the street, but wait most of that will happen in 2020 after the Republicans squeeze one more election in between.
What does it take for Americans to finally wake up to how they are being Hugely ripped off.
Until one lives here you don't understand that the middleclass is alive and well here. Sure there are some poor but a huge difference is there is not so many 1%. CEO's make very nice money, many have multiple homes here and abroad but they don't get paid the obscene sums that corporate America and Wall Street feel they deserve.
Dieter Zetsche of Daimler Benz earned a modest 8.5 million Euros last year chump change compared to his American colleagues.
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Your American counterparts will ask how you can be so mean to the ultra rich.
And then they will proceed to vote for more punishment by reelecting the swamp dwellers.
And then they will proceed to vote for more punishment by reelecting the swamp dwellers.
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Jack Healy raises an incredibly important point here.
Phones in America are a utility. In America, we treat phones, internet, water and electricity as a Utility not a luxury. We treat healthcare like a luxury not a Utility.
What if the Trump administration were to treat Health Insurance as a Utility, not as a luxury? https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/federal-court-back-rules-treating-health-...
Phones in America are a utility. In America, we treat phones, internet, water and electricity as a Utility not a luxury. We treat healthcare like a luxury not a Utility.
What if the Trump administration were to treat Health Insurance as a Utility, not as a luxury? https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/federal-court-back-rules-treating-health-...
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Perhaps Mr Chaffetz might want a refresher course in rudimentary basis and fundamental mathematics seeing as how he's unable to distinguish the cost of a cell phone in comparison to the cost of health insurance in the US for a household of two or more .
Mr Chaffetz . The epitome of todays sycophant RNC steeped in bully tactics while being completely devoid of substance and utterly clueless when it comes to the facts in their quest for an Ayn Randian narcissistic utopia the their benefit and the detriment of all others
Mr Chaffetz . The epitome of todays sycophant RNC steeped in bully tactics while being completely devoid of substance and utterly clueless when it comes to the facts in their quest for an Ayn Randian narcissistic utopia the their benefit and the detriment of all others
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First, this was an idiotic statement from Jason Chaffetz and just shows, again, how out of touch with average Americans many Republican politicians are. Second, a cell phone purchase and monthly bills don't even come close to how much health insurance costs per year. I know this first hand since our family, being self employed, has always had to pay for our own health insurances. Right now, for just my husband and I - our health insurance bill is $830/month - for mediocre coverage. My cell phone bill is around $100/month. I keep saying...why can many other countries figure this out, and we cannot?
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Cell phones and disease care insurance are separate issues.
Each are necessities at an essential level.
Rep Chaffetz's comment reflects both ignorance and arrogance.
Each are necessities at an essential level.
Rep Chaffetz's comment reflects both ignorance and arrogance.
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What gives? Skip a meal to see the doctor? This belief that people should substitute health care for an i phone is intrusion into people's personal choices - one would think that the objective of scrapping the affordable health care bill that helped many poor and the elderly get medical care was to provide personal choices - so now this member of the forty thieves is telling people what to do? Utah must wake up and vote him out of office
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This is why I'm continually amazed by people who vote against their own interests by putting out-of-touch Republicans in office. I'm hoping voters will wake up and smell the coffee for the 2018 mid terms.
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Like all two-faced GOP party elites, Chaffetz calls for government spending reductions, yet he makes $175,000 per year, has health insurance benefits and a pension all paid for by US. He spent most of his recent years chasing the Benghazi rabbit but never could catch it. For that costly misadventure he should be fired.
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Without a insurance, you need an IPHONE to call 911.
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Agreed . . . but does it have to be the next generation of an iPhone?
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I'm well off financially, but intentionally do not have cable or a cell phone. I enjoy my life without being tethered to such devices. As an additional point of note, I have no friends and wouldn't know what to say to anybody anyhow. I understand the convenience of the devices, but my point is that life can indeed be lived without a cell phone. On the other hand is this just my inner republican coming out?
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And yet white working class Americans continue to vote for Republican representatives, senators and governors. Chaffetz and his like will only get their attention after they stop receiving those votes. Once in office Republicans really don't care what those who voted for them say or want. And they don't care knowing full well that the next time around they'll get that same vote again.
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Like electricity, the telephone, radio and every other technology that started as an option for the rich, smartphones are becoming an integral tool of modern life. There is no going back if you want to be economically functional in the modern world, period.
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I heard his quote and I didn't think he was referring to monthly cell phone service. Rather than upgrading to the latest new iPhone, which is more expensive than keeping and maintaining their existing phone. I think the author could have still made his point without manipulating what the congressman said.
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The old ATT was fanatical in its efforts to provide total coverage to all at an affordable price. We need the same goal today including internet service.
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I am a liberal Dem, but I do think Chaffetz's point is being misinterpreted. He didn't mean to say that poor people shouldn't have cell phones. He was using "the newest iPhone" as an example of poor people putting expensive luxury goods ahead of basic needs. Obviously, the people profiled in this article are not examples of who he had in mind.
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Maybe he should have understood that it doesn't matter what people choose to have for a phone. Everyone should have affordable healthcare regardless. This is just more social Darwinism from the GOP.
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I haven't paid for home or cell phone service for the last three years - and I have 3 separate cell phone lines. And the 6 or 7 Android phones I have were either free or under $20. Even if the service I use went bust I still wouldn't have to pay more than $20 a month But I do have an Internet connection at home and at work. If I didn't have those it might be a different story. Baffles me why anyone who is off-contract is paying so much for phone service these days when even a quick search on the web will cause one free option to pop (little joke there) and several cheap ones.
At this point basic cell phone service should be provided almost as a right. It will save us all a fortune when we start using them to their fullest potential, for example voting in elections.
At this point basic cell phone service should be provided almost as a right. It will save us all a fortune when we start using them to their fullest potential, for example voting in elections.
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Conventional phone service came to regarded as a necessity.. a public good. It is clear that phone/ internet service in the modern form is too. You can't get by without it.
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Well we all managed to survive just fine without cell phones long before the cell phone was ever invented. Please, there is no way you will ever convince me that you have to have a cell phone to survive in this day and age. I see it all the time in my business. People sitting at my desk telling me how they can't afford their insurance but they have a brand new $600 cell phone in their hand. I'm not a big fan of Mr Chaffetz and perhaps he could have phrased it better but I think he has a point.
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A "brand new cell phone" is $20 a month for 2 years. what's your point?
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It seems to be characteristic of Conservative comments on this issue to focus on cell phone plans while the real problems are poverty and healthcare.
Representative Chaffetz blames those problems on poor money management by uninsured Americans but offers nothing to help them with that.
What Chaffetz represents is the political party that's never seen a social problem that couldn't be fixed by a good scolding.
Representative Chaffetz blames those problems on poor money management by uninsured Americans but offers nothing to help them with that.
What Chaffetz represents is the political party that's never seen a social problem that couldn't be fixed by a good scolding.
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I have seen many changes related to communications over the past 50 years and Smartphones today are a necessity they aren't just phones. They are computers and the link to the world. It's how people keep in touch with everyone from their family members to seeking employment and education tools. They have become a must have and they don't have to cost $800 to have similar functions. I believe the representative is out of touch and misspoke, but there are other things people might be able to do to lower healthcare costs. But if healthcare costs go to the moon and takes 100% of peoples income the ER will be the catch all for healthcare and that serves no one.
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This is one of the contentious difficult to understand issue in the US... people shooting on their own foot. Being poor and conservative? Governed by rich conservatives? Another conundrum in this amazing country of ours.
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Growing up in the 80s and 90s, technology promised to give us renewable energy, ultra efficient cars, space exploration, ever increasing computing abilities, etc. Instead, we got cell phones and social media. Part of it has to do with the physics of silicon. Another part of it has to do with a lack of competition in the semiconductor industry. Instead of progress in computing, technology has given us cultural cancer. I vote dem but I agree with Rep Chaffetz. Cell phones are usually used as toys. And the virtual connections accessible through cell phones are distracting us from the real social connections that actually have some value.
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It angers me that politicians continue to perpetuate the same biases and prejudices against others who have to make hard monetary decisions that they themselves cannot even imagine. After all their health insurance is paid for by - US! Maybe they should ditch their own health care and then come back to this conversation.
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I have an old Iphone 4 that was given to me when a friend upgraded and was going to toss it. I pay $45 a month for service (I'm not on a plan and don't want to be, so it's a monthly fee). I have a friend who pays $30 and thinks me a fool for throwing away that $15. I also use that phone to take pictures for a local farm's FB page, website, and newsletter (in other words, for work and marketing). The biggest complaint I have is about the short battery life, sick of carrying a cord to charge it. It's also a little hard to read. But overall, functional. I think that's key - function, figuring out what you need vs what you like/want. It's really hard to figure out what you need because if you look around, everyone seems to "need" to stay connected and now fears life any other way; as you say, it's unthinkable. But that's conditioning and addiction, imo, and it's weird/very suspect, to me. I am so tempted to go back to a land line only, because being tethered, with or without the cord, isn't fun. And sure isn't being free.
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I teach in a rural area of western NY. I know families who can't get cable--it's just not offered where they are. Our cable company is the biggest area provider of internet. So for families with no cable, cell phones are often their only connection to the internet. So kids can do homework, so parents can get work emails, and so on. Landlines may still be cheaper, but they DON'T connect to the internet, they don't take pictures, they're not mobile--you can't give one to your teen daughter in case the car breaks down at night. Cell phones are a BARGAIN for families in my region.
This is just like the "They're not really poor! Look, they have refrigerators!" FOX segment a few years ago. A distraction, framed in a very familiar conservative way: poor people are somehow always at fault for their condition. Hey, if they never bought new clothes and went naked they could afford health care! If they didn't pay rent and lived in big cardboard boxes they could afford healthcare! C'mon, poor people, make some sacrifices.
It's the most revoltingly un-Christian reasoning I can imagine.
This is just like the "They're not really poor! Look, they have refrigerators!" FOX segment a few years ago. A distraction, framed in a very familiar conservative way: poor people are somehow always at fault for their condition. Hey, if they never bought new clothes and went naked they could afford health care! If they didn't pay rent and lived in big cardboard boxes they could afford healthcare! C'mon, poor people, make some sacrifices.
It's the most revoltingly un-Christian reasoning I can imagine.
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I am a high-earner, and voted against my financial self-interest because I believe in liberal and Democratic principles. If I pay more in taxes so others can get benefits, so be it - I can afford. I am flummoxed that people in this article voted for people like Chaffetz and against their self-interest. But the longer Trump is in the Presidency, the less I care. If people that are struggling don't seem to care about their situation and vote the Republicans in office, then why should I care about their circumstances? I will enjoy my tax-break and extra disposable income. The phone and plan costs weren't shocking to me - it was the outrageous $400 car payment on a meager income!
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They don't "believe" in government health care? Well fine, let us have it and don't use it yourself just as you are now.
I don't "believe" in more than two kids. I am not preventing you from having three or more which to me is a major indulgence that you cannot afford.
I don't "believe" in more than two kids. I am not preventing you from having three or more which to me is a major indulgence that you cannot afford.
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"What a well-off person would say" indeed. What Chaffetz is out of touch with is the reality that low income people have likely already made a choice - they chose mobile internet computing over desk top wireline based computing. While middle income and higher households take for granted having both services, including mobile services for every member of the family, low income households have to choose between the two. The choice is easy: is there more utility in having a broadband device that goes wherever I go while providing the same service as a desk top device? Oh, yeah, then there is the insensitivity of Chaffetz who has been so far removed from paying for either healthcare or communications services that he doesn't know that a year of phone service would not cover even a month of healthcare insurance premiums. It's so comforting to know the lives of so many families are literally in the hands of people like Chaffetz, right?
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I have a cellphone that costs me $20 to buy and then $100/year for actual use including cheap calls to Europe. It even has a timer for hardboiled eggs. Anything else is a rip-off.
Health Insurance in the US is a rip-off. Get the minimum and just hop on a plane to Asia ($500 RT) for cheap but superior treatment if needed.
Health Insurance in the US is a rip-off. Get the minimum and just hop on a plane to Asia ($500 RT) for cheap but superior treatment if needed.
Maybe they should sell the cars they use to get to work too so they can pay insurance premiums, since secure healthcare is an "entitlement" while six figure tax cuts for the 1% apparently are not.
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Most people with little money use a cell phone, often of the throw-away variety with pre-paid minutes, as their main telephone. They don't have any other phone, any land-line, at home, so when Chaffetz says to go without a cell phone and use that money to cover very expensive health insurance, it just shows how little he knows of the life of most of his constituents.
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As opposed to the debate regarding a family getting health insurance vs a cell phone, there is an underlying debate that is more substantive. That is the debate between people who believe people should be judged on their worth as human beings by their financial balance sheet, and those who do not.
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I can see Rep. Chaffetz's point. Give up buying that $600 cell phone and use that money to pay for health insurance instead. But what does the uninsured then have to give up to pay the 2nd month's premuim?
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Prepaid cell phone: $40 to buy, plus $3 prepaid plan.
Computer & Internet: Free at the local library
Not being able to figure this out may be what is causing their low income....
Computer & Internet: Free at the local library
Not being able to figure this out may be what is causing their low income....
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Free at the local library? Are you sure? Please tell me the hours that this mythical still-open public library is open. Where I live, conservatives have made budget cuts so that the libraries are usually not open. They open for a few days during working hours. Only unemployed or retired people are able to make it there when they are open.
So there goes your magic solution to this problem. The decline of the public library is one reason why the poor need cell phones.
I wish conservatives had thought of this when they started slashing the public library budgets in local communities.
How do you think the poor are going to compete in our economy if they don't have any reliable timely Internet access?
So there goes your magic solution to this problem. The decline of the public library is one reason why the poor need cell phones.
I wish conservatives had thought of this when they started slashing the public library budgets in local communities.
How do you think the poor are going to compete in our economy if they don't have any reliable timely Internet access?
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Two points.
1 How many people are in the same situation?
2. [and this may seem cruel] this family is getting what it deserves.
You vote gop. You don't believe heath care is a constitutional right, just a frill a state gov can choose.
You believe in individual responsibility, (for health care) but you accept food subsidies. In the great world of personal responsibility, you need a 2nd job
You put all you faith in religion and none in government.
Maybe if you voted for candidates who:
support minimum wage increases?
support universal health care?
low cost continual education?
better workers compensation?
The gop controls most state governments, all three branches of the fed gov. They are wedded to trickle down eco and people like continue to support them.
You are the instrument of your own demise.
By the way its going to get worse, but don't worry stock market is at record highs.
1 How many people are in the same situation?
2. [and this may seem cruel] this family is getting what it deserves.
You vote gop. You don't believe heath care is a constitutional right, just a frill a state gov can choose.
You believe in individual responsibility, (for health care) but you accept food subsidies. In the great world of personal responsibility, you need a 2nd job
You put all you faith in religion and none in government.
Maybe if you voted for candidates who:
support minimum wage increases?
support universal health care?
low cost continual education?
better workers compensation?
The gop controls most state governments, all three branches of the fed gov. They are wedded to trickle down eco and people like continue to support them.
You are the instrument of your own demise.
By the way its going to get worse, but don't worry stock market is at record highs.
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If given the choice, I would first pay for a phone and for health care under the ACA before I would pay the salary for the so-called representation that I am getting in the U.S. Congress. For that, I am getting taxpayer subsidized support for (i) destroying the environment; (ii) dismantling of public education; (iii) elimination of social services; (iv) taking away a woman's choice regarding her own body; and (iv) equality and civil rights. So please, Mr. Chaffetz, don't lecture the American public on which choices to make when you and your Republican colleagues are tone deaf on issues important to the vast majority of those who you serve.
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I would extend the analogy to the internet more generally. A smartphone is simply a small computer with wireless internet. You can find a refurbished one for cheap or buy a new one for a few hundred dollars. That might sting but it's a one time expense every 5-10 years or even longer. The recurring bills are the true hardship. Healthcare is one huge recurring bill with tons of hidden fees.
I do have one grievance though. No offense to the Hunters but why do you have three children on a single income below $25,000 per year? The time to get a decent paying job was BEFORE you started having children. $13 an hour is a decent living wage in many parts of Utah for a responsible single adult. That's a generous statement. $13 an hour is certainly not a wage capable of supporting a single adult and 4 dependents.
I understand that certain faiths discourage birth control and surprises can and will happen but three children sounds like irresponsibility. You started a family with no ability to shoulder the full financial burden. Personally, I would like to have a family of my own some day. I get a little upset watching others practicing a "God will provide" approach in their daily life.
I deferred my own biological instinct to procreate so I can act responsibly and provide appropriately for my children. That includes not just health insurance for myself but life insurance too. Why do other people feel like it's okay to take a free pass?
I do have one grievance though. No offense to the Hunters but why do you have three children on a single income below $25,000 per year? The time to get a decent paying job was BEFORE you started having children. $13 an hour is a decent living wage in many parts of Utah for a responsible single adult. That's a generous statement. $13 an hour is certainly not a wage capable of supporting a single adult and 4 dependents.
I understand that certain faiths discourage birth control and surprises can and will happen but three children sounds like irresponsibility. You started a family with no ability to shoulder the full financial burden. Personally, I would like to have a family of my own some day. I get a little upset watching others practicing a "God will provide" approach in their daily life.
I deferred my own biological instinct to procreate so I can act responsibly and provide appropriately for my children. That includes not just health insurance for myself but life insurance too. Why do other people feel like it's okay to take a free pass?
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And yet they all vote Republican. Amazing. Truly amazing.
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Fools like these own the misery they voted for. Meanwhile, Trumpcare creates 3/4 of a trillion dollars for the richest taxpaayers in America, special interests, etc. Maybe they'll vote with their economic self interest next election cycle.
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I have a friend who has been on disability, food stamps and Medicaid for 20 years yet she votes Republican. Why? Because her fundamentalist church tells her to.
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My Israeli relatives have national health care, free college education, and five cellphones. They are aghast at the American health care system, which they call "barbaric."
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Their economy is subsidized by America -- you know that, don't you? About $4 billion annually in taxpayers' dollar and another $2 billion annually in private donations, which (uniquely) are tax-deductible in the US. That's the movement of money from "barbaric" America to a country the size of New Jersey with 1 million fewer people.
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Never had one, never will. Watch people use them: Just expensive toys for playing games, watching movies.
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Since the bare-minimum bronze individual (not family) plan is over $315/month, and Chaffetz's "iPhone" is about $31/month it's clear he doesn't care about people like the Hunters trying to make ends meet. It's also clear he sees their connection to their world and each other, their $100/month cell phone as a "luxury".
OTOH, the Hunters voted for him, voted Republican and now are reaping what they have sown. Republicans have SWORN to get rid of the ACA, and SWORN to cut every social welfare program that helps ordinary people and the poor either to the bone and beyond, and using the savings for tax cuts to millionaires, billionaires and corporations. THIS is what the Hunters voted for and have been voting for all along.
They are getting precisely what they voted for and deserve. I'll bet they talked all the time about how all those "others" need to get off their duffs, go to work and take personal responsibility for their lives rather than expecting the government to take care of them. Until now.
If you look at other web sites, where Conservatives post, or listen to their talk radio, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc, that's what they all say: The "others" are lazy, loafers who don't deserve help.
But now it's the Hunters who need that help. Too bad. I've long lost sympathy for those who vote for those who PROMISE to shaft them, then complain when those politicians actually keep that one promise.
Mr. and Mrs. Hunter, take some of that personal responsibility yourselves!
OTOH, the Hunters voted for him, voted Republican and now are reaping what they have sown. Republicans have SWORN to get rid of the ACA, and SWORN to cut every social welfare program that helps ordinary people and the poor either to the bone and beyond, and using the savings for tax cuts to millionaires, billionaires and corporations. THIS is what the Hunters voted for and have been voting for all along.
They are getting precisely what they voted for and deserve. I'll bet they talked all the time about how all those "others" need to get off their duffs, go to work and take personal responsibility for their lives rather than expecting the government to take care of them. Until now.
If you look at other web sites, where Conservatives post, or listen to their talk radio, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc, that's what they all say: The "others" are lazy, loafers who don't deserve help.
But now it's the Hunters who need that help. Too bad. I've long lost sympathy for those who vote for those who PROMISE to shaft them, then complain when those politicians actually keep that one promise.
Mr. and Mrs. Hunter, take some of that personal responsibility yourselves!
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Chaffetz's shallow comment feeds a stereotype image bias. Mobile phones replace land lines in the 21st century, who can function without a phone of any type. Read the poor should not have communication Mr Chaffetz.
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The fundamental problem with this family is that they have an expanding family without the means to support it. Under these circumstances, any unusual expense, any unexpected occurrence becomes at minimum a difficult situation and at worse a panic with few or no options. Government is then put on demand, and anyone who offers a note of criticism is selfish, greedy, out of touch, etc.
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Ms Hunter wonders why there should be a choice between health care and a cell phone, the lady apparently doesn't realize that 2+2 equals 4 when you continually vote for some one like Chaffetz or Hatch or no doubt trump.
The people you elect think it should and will be a choice.
The people you elect think it should and will be a choice.
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Don't forger their other Senator, Mike Lee, who is so far Right he makes Hatch look like a Liberal...well, a moderate Republican anyway.
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You have to be able to communicate, so you need a phone. And my phone doesn't cost me $1,000/month and then another $3500 before I can get any service.
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A not-uncommon tone deaf and seemingly heartless comment from Mr. Chaffetz. Republicanists and millerite-bannonists preach individual rights and freedom and then elect representatives who prefer making moral judgments about Americans than achieving their "make America great" vision. (A phony vision, but nevertheless one needs to take them at their word.)
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Another Congressman without a moral compass. Take his health care away and see if that changes his mind. In fact, as a taxpayer I am in favor of taking away the health insurance of every member of the House of Representatives, the Senate and any other high ranking person in government who has influence on whether or not voters get to have decent and needed health care.
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"They consider themselves conservative and think that health care should not be a federally mandated purchase..."
The United States, alone among developed nations, does not provide universal access to healthcare for its citizens. The Hunters, a family struggling to make ends meet, would benefit enormously from not having to worry about being unable to afford insurance, but their political beliefs trump their own welfare.
Humans are unique, not because of opposable thumbs or language, but because we are the only species that can persistently harm ourselves by clinging to wrong ideas.
The United States, alone among developed nations, does not provide universal access to healthcare for its citizens. The Hunters, a family struggling to make ends meet, would benefit enormously from not having to worry about being unable to afford insurance, but their political beliefs trump their own welfare.
Humans are unique, not because of opposable thumbs or language, but because we are the only species that can persistently harm ourselves by clinging to wrong ideas.
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What a ridiculous and elitist comment from this politician. Flagrant admission that you are totally out of touch with reality and your constituents. Comparing the cost of a cell phone and heath care is absurd. I would LOVE to find a health care plan for about $60 or $70 per month. I would drop my cell phone in a heart beat.
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The callousness of Jason in the House is boundless. Fortunately, Chaffetz now has a challenger for his job. Katherine Allen, a doctor, will be giving him some stiff competition in 2018. Every time we hear that corrupt, bleating, partisan and spineless ninny, we have the chance to drop a few dimes into her campaign. Cheaper than a cell phone plan; provides needed mental therapy. Try it, you will feel better instantly.
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Let's make a distinction between "cellphone" and "smartphone". Similarly, lets make a distinction between healthcare that is necessary and that which is elective. ACA mandates, among other things, that my health insurance (I'm 63) cover pediatric dental care. Huh? Yup. In Connecticut, for example, it covers sex change operations.
Should everyone have a cell phone? In this day and age, yes, and the Congressman's statement is an irresponsible one. Should everyone have a smartphone? I don't think so. Should everyone have health insurance? Of course, but my premiums have tripled since ACA took effect, covering things I don't need. I should be able to elect coverage that suits my needs, not the needs of the insurance companies.
Should everyone have a cell phone? In this day and age, yes, and the Congressman's statement is an irresponsible one. Should everyone have a smartphone? I don't think so. Should everyone have health insurance? Of course, but my premiums have tripled since ACA took effect, covering things I don't need. I should be able to elect coverage that suits my needs, not the needs of the insurance companies.
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Insurance has always included coverage for procedures you may not need. That is the nature of insurance. For decades I paid for insurance that included maternity coverage, with no ability to have children. No matter what your lifestyle, there is absolutely no guarantee you will not have a major health expenditure tomorrow or 10 years from now.
Everyone needs Internet access. You left that one out. If you apply for welfare now, they send you to the Internet to look for work. Every service or opportunity connected to helping the poor improve their own lives now requires Internet access. A smartphone is a cell phone with Internet access. This is why people need them.
I am totally stunned speechless (this is why I am barely able to type this) that the Utah Republican---this is the same one who became fifteen minutes' famous a few months back, correct?---would be so callous toward and hold such contempt for the working-class poor. The Republican who actually blames the working-class poor for their lot, I had thought, is a thing of the past. Totally, totally shocked here. I am sure that this Republican Representative makes sure he balances his budget at home carefully so that his phone bill and healthcare bill are met with a little left over for savings for not only his children's college but also basic needs, like a little treat every now and again.
Not to beat a dead horse, here, but how is this news? Our elected leaders stay way too long in these positions. The groupthink is palpable in the legislation they "debate" and pass on to the executive. We need to push our college students and young blue-collar workers to run for local office. We need get rid these chaps and elect not Trumps and Clintons and Sanders but Everyman and Everywoman and Anyone Else. The elite have taken care of themselves for hundreds of years in this country. It's time for the 99 percent to start directly deciding on matters that matter to them.
Not to beat a dead horse, here, but how is this news? Our elected leaders stay way too long in these positions. The groupthink is palpable in the legislation they "debate" and pass on to the executive. We need to push our college students and young blue-collar workers to run for local office. We need get rid these chaps and elect not Trumps and Clintons and Sanders but Everyman and Everywoman and Anyone Else. The elite have taken care of themselves for hundreds of years in this country. It's time for the 99 percent to start directly deciding on matters that matter to them.
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Hmmm...
That coronary procedure is going to cost a lot of iPhones.
That coronary procedure is going to cost a lot of iPhones.
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The Hunters voted for Chaffetz last November. What more need be said?
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His point is not popular but I ask anyone out there if the healthy young adult would choose healthcare over a new IPhone. Be honest, most would choose the IPhone.
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Forget about his point not being popular. His point is irrelevant because healthcare doesn't cost $100 a month. Maybe he should get a little more in touch with the rest of the known universe...or perhaps just those constituents he claims to represent as a starting point.
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A man and woman earning 1800.00 per month should not have 3 children. Lack of personal responsibility.
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Under the Republican plan, birth control not covered and abortions illegal. Figure it out.
So only rich people can have kids?
You have what you can afford. You can't expect society to pay for your children any more than you can expect society to pay for your entertainment.
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Yet another example of a clueless politician making judgements about people he would rather avoid than have an open discussion about to the challenges they face every day. Phones are much more than just phones in many instances they represent lifelines and safety devices for many of us who use them for more than watching cat videos.
The GOP is always ready to proselytize until they get called out for their callous remarks, then they get all apologetic. I liken that behavior to an abuser who apologizes for their behavior after causing harm, thinking all is ok since there was an apology. Mr Chaffetz , there is a reason why herpes has a higher popularity rating than Congress. I think you may be part of the problem.
The GOP is always ready to proselytize until they get called out for their callous remarks, then they get all apologetic. I liken that behavior to an abuser who apologizes for their behavior after causing harm, thinking all is ok since there was an apology. Mr Chaffetz , there is a reason why herpes has a higher popularity rating than Congress. I think you may be part of the problem.
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Doing away with a smart phone? My salaried job does not offer access to a phone at my desk. It's assumed that all professional calls (as well as personal, say in an emergency) will be to my personal smart phone.
I know A LOT of people who need a smart phone to check, during their off-hours, on the status of the shifts for their hourly wage jobs. Employers expect to be able to add, subtract, or change hours on a dime, and that their employees will have the capability to find out about these changes on their smart phones.
As others have noted, Mr. Chaffetz' comments were just tone-deaf and cruel.
I know A LOT of people who need a smart phone to check, during their off-hours, on the status of the shifts for their hourly wage jobs. Employers expect to be able to add, subtract, or change hours on a dime, and that their employees will have the capability to find out about these changes on their smart phones.
As others have noted, Mr. Chaffetz' comments were just tone-deaf and cruel.
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I'm not going to judge the parents on the basis of their misfortune. Fact: There's a lot of criticism being heaped on this family by others who are themselves only a paycheque or two from a similar plight due to their own poor financial planning. But the bigger issue is how much money and resources the United States spends abroad on regime change and foreign aid while millions of its own citizens live below the poverty line. Perhaps if Congressman Chaffetz were to spend a day walking around Detroit he would realize that.
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No, but you CAN judge them on who they vote for. They are the prey voting for their own predators. THAT is also their choice and I judge them harshly for that.
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OK, so I can judge the Democratic Party and its supporters for their short-sightedness in nominating HRC as their party candidate in lieu of choosing a candidate who could have easily defeated Trump.
Both the author and many of the comments fail to acknowledge that the phone is not just for convenience, support from friends, checking in with the spouse during the day. It's for calling 911 in an emergency, it's for making doctor's appointments, it's for reading job listings and calling or writing for job interviews, it's for getting calls from school that your child is sick and needs to be picked up, it's from the gas company saying they're going to cut off the gas if you don't pay. The idea that a cell phone is for frivolities shows absolutely no comprehension of the realities of life for the poor.
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You can get a $100/year payg phone for those necessary calls.
My god, i was making well into six figures, no dependents, and still thought a smartphone an unnecessary extravagance.
My god, i was making well into six figures, no dependents, and still thought a smartphone an unnecessary extravagance.
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Really, where? Find me a $100 a year phone plan and I'll take back my comment.
In most places a smart phone is cheaper and more convenient than paying for phone service and internet service, which you obviously have unless you ran down to the library on Sunday morning to snipe at my comment.
Have a little generosity. Doesn't sound like you struggled much, but others do.
In most places a smart phone is cheaper and more convenient than paying for phone service and internet service, which you obviously have unless you ran down to the library on Sunday morning to snipe at my comment.
Have a little generosity. Doesn't sound like you struggled much, but others do.
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Representative Chaffetz message is harsh and unrealistic. Does he realize the cost of health insurance for a family? It is health insurance or rent. The people making these decisions live in world with the best insurance, etc. I wish they had to pay for their own insurance so that they would understand and not be so callous.
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Reminds of a Roman Emperor who said give them cake when told people were protesting because because they did not have any bread to eat.
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Which Roman emperor?
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Um, actually that would be Marie Antoinette from France who said let them eat cake
If you can afford an IPhone AND to refrigerate your condiments and produce,...you can afford HealthCare Coverage.
Because everyone knows refrigerating Oranges, Apples, Mustard, and Hotsauce,..is a convenience and not actually required.
Because everyone knows refrigerating Oranges, Apples, Mustard, and Hotsauce,..is a convenience and not actually required.
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The poor should only get the cheapest cellphone available. They should not be getting the more expensive I-phone.
Personally I don't like cell phones and have a track-phone. There are cheap track phones they can get. They don't need one that texts photo. There are many types of cell phones available and the poor should not be getting the most expensive but the least expensive.
After all if you so poor that you need public benefits than you should be getting the cheapest one available.
Personally I don't like cell phones and have a track-phone. There are cheap track phones they can get. They don't need one that texts photo. There are many types of cell phones available and the poor should not be getting the most expensive but the least expensive.
After all if you so poor that you need public benefits than you should be getting the cheapest one available.
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Dear Apple,
How do you feel about the rightist's new take on American's discretionary spending?
I guess I'll start dumping my Apple stocks if the Koch owned gop ever manages to get TRUMPCARE passed.
Making American Health Insurance Companies Great Again!!!
How do you feel about the rightist's new take on American's discretionary spending?
I guess I'll start dumping my Apple stocks if the Koch owned gop ever manages to get TRUMPCARE passed.
Making American Health Insurance Companies Great Again!!!
Up until just 2 years ago, it would not have mattered to us. There was no cell signal at either location (our current home and where we are moving this year). Our mobile phones stay in a drawer at home and only come out when we were traveling. As to insurance, we are served by an oligopoly of just two carriers as well. There has never been any competition for health insurance and doubt there ever will be competition. Just like most states, the state insurance commissioner has the keys to entry in the market and the door is closed. Our employer provided insurance is adequate but we are lucky. If we were on the exchanges, the HSA limit is than a third of what the deductibles and co pays and again, it is the state insurance commissioner colluding with the two insurance companies that make sure it stays that way.
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I've been thinking (and saying) the same thing since November 9th: only when those who voted for Trump feel the repercussions of his *promises* in a QUANTITATIVE way (no new wonderful factory job; reduced healthcare etc.), will they realize that Trump is smoke & mirrors and cares nothing of them, only his own pocketbook and ego.
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I am in absolute agreement with this article and I thoroughly deplore this administration. That being said, I have worked in public health my entire life at the CDC in Atlanta and I can make the following observations. In this country we are experiencing epidemics of obesity, diabetes, and fatty liver syndrome (if you can believe it) among other things. For the most part, all of these are self-determined due to unhealthy diets and lack of exercise. If a politician wanted to get up on his soap box and preach about the cost of health care, it would be much better to address these issues and other lifestyle choices such as smoking and excessive alcohol consumption as treating the outcomes of these behaviors adds hundreds of billions of dollars, annually, to our health care expenses.
Michelle Obama had it right when she campaigned to get children to eat their veggies and exercise and maybe skip a dessert or two. I remember when she started that campaign she was excoriated by Republicans and conservative talk radio and TV.
Republicans once actually stated that we shouldn't regulate tobacco consumption as it is a personal right and it may limit a person's life span so that they wouldn't need expensive social services in old age. The cynic in me wonders if they have similar motives with their current plans to limit Medicaid and health care for the poor.
Michelle Obama had it right when she campaigned to get children to eat their veggies and exercise and maybe skip a dessert or two. I remember when she started that campaign she was excoriated by Republicans and conservative talk radio and TV.
Republicans once actually stated that we shouldn't regulate tobacco consumption as it is a personal right and it may limit a person's life span so that they wouldn't need expensive social services in old age. The cynic in me wonders if they have similar motives with their current plans to limit Medicaid and health care for the poor.
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So many people today are doing away with landline phones and going mobile only. There are companies out there that will sell you an inexpensive phone and charge less than $50 a month for service. When you add in the taxes and fees, landline phones can cost more than mobile phones. And one more thing, mobile phone service and cable television service are more expensive in the United States than in almost every other country in the world.
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The headline in this article is misleading as his comment was about an iPhone - which is indeed a luxury - and not a cellphone.
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You're free (still) to read the actual quotes within the NYTs article.
Very Rarely will you get the entire story via the Title.
And anyone thinking otherwise, aren't thinking,..otherwise.
Very Rarely will you get the entire story via the Title.
And anyone thinking otherwise, aren't thinking,..otherwise.
The article is about smartphone usage. That includes iPhones. And access to internet for mapquest, to check email, internet, job postings, etc , makes life a lot more manageable and convenient, it is not a mere luxury. A luxury is like a piece of jewelry , that has no real purpose. A smartphone has lots of purpose.
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Even giving up an iPhone won't provide enough money to afford insurance. With insurance premiums of several hundred dollars a month for people, my iPhone monthly payment of just under $50 a month (it would be less if I chose a less expensive version of the iPhone) doesn't compare. Add in a monthly service charge and an iPhone still doesn't come close to what it costs for insurance.
Disclaimer: I can afford my excellent insurance coverage primarily funded by my employer and my iPhone. In fact, I could buy my phone outright but chose to pay monthly for the privilege of getting a new phone every year. Nevertheless, to compare the two shows a lack of understanding of the needs and challenges facing the poor in this country.
Disclaimer: I can afford my excellent insurance coverage primarily funded by my employer and my iPhone. In fact, I could buy my phone outright but chose to pay monthly for the privilege of getting a new phone every year. Nevertheless, to compare the two shows a lack of understanding of the needs and challenges facing the poor in this country.
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And therein lies the problem, it is not healthcare costs, it is not cell phone costs, it is the simple fact you have something you simply cannot afford: a family. The Hunters chose to have 3 children on less than $13 dollars an hour. What would you say to somebody struggling to get by who drove a new European sports car and made $13 dollars an hour? Would you feel sorry for your neighbor who had a money problems but had a huge house he/she maintained on his/her $13 dollar an hour budget? You do not need to have so many children, and you do not need to have children at all when you clearly cannot afford them. Republicans like to talk about personal responsibility and then at the same time claim that birth control and family planning is dangerous. Chaffetz was just being a jerk and I wholeheartedly disagree with him. But I would have 100% agreed with him if he said, "Uninsured Americans should invest in their own health care rather than choosing to have a family at age 22 when they can barely take care of themselves or choosing to have that 5th kid when they can't afford the 4 they already have."
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Excellent response! Americans have no problem telling others what to do with their lives but don't you dare tell me how to live mine!
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This is one of the very few reasonable comments published concerning this article. Nobody seems to want to look at basic life decisions when determining financial need.
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So only rich can have kids?
Oh yes.
Don't let government mess with my Medicaid!
Hypocritical or ignorant, what a shame so many people don't realize their roads, their schools, their police, all the things that make society work, are best kept in good repair.
Don't let government mess with my Medicaid!
Hypocritical or ignorant, what a shame so many people don't realize their roads, their schools, their police, all the things that make society work, are best kept in good repair.
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It is useful to remember that Chaffetz and Republicans voted to defund embassy security, and then spent millions and years trying to pin the result on Hillary.
Working stiffs need phones. Unfortunately this is yet another expense for people whose income is not going up while every other expense skyrockets (rent, health - thanks to greedy anti-government manipulation, food, school fees - which are up thanks to tax cuts for the rich and DeVos et al.'s support of subsidies to people who won't support public education, etc. etc.).
The criminalization of poverty continues apace.
Death panels for those who can't afford the health care Chaffetz has never had to worry about for himself, provided at government expense. (and his free phone! wow ...)
Working stiffs need phones. Unfortunately this is yet another expense for people whose income is not going up while every other expense skyrockets (rent, health - thanks to greedy anti-government manipulation, food, school fees - which are up thanks to tax cuts for the rich and DeVos et al.'s support of subsidies to people who won't support public education, etc. etc.).
The criminalization of poverty continues apace.
Death panels for those who can't afford the health care Chaffetz has never had to worry about for himself, provided at government expense. (and his free phone! wow ...)
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It seems this is more about the haves and the have not's. This started with raygun by having people spend their savings to keep the country going and then his second term he said use your credit cards to keep it going. Money market at the time was paying 28% on your money. The rich became richer and raygun screwed us over but the rich got richer. A few years later GWB said every american should have a home so they gave them homes and then jacked the payment. GWB also said after that you can not go bankrupt and the rich got richer. Now here we are and have a so-called pres who is doing the same thing and the rich get richer. Having ins should be a right not a privilege and a cell phone ruined the last election with all the lies on social media. It's not about choice but about the rich getting richer. The gov't has great free ins why can't the rest of the country???
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Where is the cost comparison here? Mr. Chaffetz's comment reveals that he has no idea what health insurance costs. My husband and I pay $1300 per month for health insurance. My cell phone bill is $78.
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I think of the great state of Utah as an example for many to follow. Their mandatory service to others in the world are an example to be followed. And yet, they have elected an obtuse syncophant to his party rather than a leader to his state and citizens. I would hope that the citizens of Utah see this as a detrimental flaw in character rather than a slip of the lip. This man does not represent the people of Utah, at least the one I know.
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Service? Marketing their domineering cult in third world countries is not selfless service. Come on!
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These politicians sit there, with their staffs and their paid expenses, and make remarks like this! These frauds, especially the Republicans, are bought and paid for. They know how they are going to vote on everything without taking any time at all to study how their constituents will be affected. They get a great salary and perks for doing NOTHING. They are nothing if not sociopaths. They have absolutely no empathy, and are tied only to their own re-election. It is time for the public to wake up.
We read time after time about how Americans with the ACA will be affected by its repeal. We know Trump is a con man in a sea of con men. Please wake up. They don't care!! They don't care about you!
We read time after time about how Americans with the ACA will be affected by its repeal. We know Trump is a con man in a sea of con men. Please wake up. They don't care!! They don't care about you!
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The only thing sadder than Chaffetz's statement in his this story is the Hunter's support for him. I hope I never lose the empathy I feel for people in these circumstances.
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Well, I have lost all empathy for them because they keep voting for the people who make their situation worse, and they follow people who encourage them to have lots of kids before they can afford to raise them.
And by their voting actions, they and 63(?) million like them, have given us the worst, most corrupt, greediest, and totally incompetent leadership this nation has seen since Reconstruction.
And by their voting actions, they and 63(?) million like them, have given us the worst, most corrupt, greediest, and totally incompetent leadership this nation has seen since Reconstruction.
No doubt some of the working poor also have Cars,..another thing they can forsake in-lieu of HealthCare Insurance.
And I'm sure I've seen them walking around eating food, wearing clothes, using electricity,...and what not?
Man, you folks will say anything to separate yourselves from them,..and it's freakin hilarious.
And I'm sure I've seen them walking around eating food, wearing clothes, using electricity,...and what not?
Man, you folks will say anything to separate yourselves from them,..and it's freakin hilarious.
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I grew up without cars, phones, freezers, TVs, etc., etc., and lived to tell.
Debatable
"I grew up,..."
"I grew up,..."
Maybe the big question that the Hunters should be asking themselves is: where is it written that so many of us must struggle so hard just to survive? Who has decided for them that when you work your wages shall not be enough to cover your needs? Who has ordained it that that the Hunters are not worthy enough to have both a cell phone AND health insurance?
And, please, don't come up with that shtick about bad life-choices. That ain't what this is all about!
And, please, don't come up with that shtick about bad life-choices. That ain't what this is all about!
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Actually it is about bad life choices, but not the ones Republicans talk about. It's about the bad life choices of people like the Hunters who consistently voted for people like Jason Chaffetz, Mike Lee and Orren Hatch who consistently work to take away the Hunters' rights, their safety, and their money to give it to millionaires and billionaires.
The state of Utah overwhelmingly went for the crook who scammed thousands of desperate people with his "university", the pervert who brags about sexually assaulting women, the adulterer who has cheated on every wife he's had, the welcher who declared bankruptcy SIX times because he doesn't believe he should pay back money he borrows, the cheat who stiffs people who contract with him, the liar who promised everyone the Moon and a pony for their kids.
Yeah, I call voting for him and the GOP a serious bad life-choice!
The state of Utah overwhelmingly went for the crook who scammed thousands of desperate people with his "university", the pervert who brags about sexually assaulting women, the adulterer who has cheated on every wife he's had, the welcher who declared bankruptcy SIX times because he doesn't believe he should pay back money he borrows, the cheat who stiffs people who contract with him, the liar who promised everyone the Moon and a pony for their kids.
Yeah, I call voting for him and the GOP a serious bad life-choice!
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I seem to remember a famous line from my history studies "Let them eat cake>" If memory serves that did not end well. We want the same health care that Jason and his colleagues have! No difference and for life just as they do!!!!
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tell me, Mr. Chaffetz, who pays for your health insurance...and you phone(s)? i'm sure that as an elected official you must firmly believe that you are truly "earning" the salaray that allows you to conduct yourself in a comfortable lifestyle....except that your remuneration comes from our taxes...the ultimate "government handout"
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So, I guess, I, as a professor at a state university, was not entitled to my salary either, right?
IF health care was an entitlement as minimal retirement , disability and life insurance (survivors benefit), as Social Security is, this type of argument is unnecessary. A basic national Health Plan, with the option to enhance benefits through additional private coverage, as we do with employer provided pensions and INDIVIDUAL Retirement Accounts, should be the model we pursue.
We experienced citizens reaching old age, becoming disabled or leaving a widow with children without financial resources. Social Security solved that problem of citizens that wouldn't or couldn't plan. Yes, Virginia there is a need for a Nanny state because many citizens are irresponsible and need a Nanny.
We experienced citizens reaching old age, becoming disabled or leaving a widow with children without financial resources. Social Security solved that problem of citizens that wouldn't or couldn't plan. Yes, Virginia there is a need for a Nanny state because many citizens are irresponsible and need a Nanny.
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There was a time when things like electricity and running water were considered luxuries. Now they are considered necessities of life. Cell and smart phone service are well on the way to joining them.
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I just want the same health care that our legislators receive. Preferably paid for by the government. Let's just have a VAT tax and everyone gets free health care.
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Why is it that over-paid politicians who receive platinum health insurance coverage for FREE, thanks to taxpayers they supposedly represent are so darn quick to speak in condescending tones and hyperbole about the less well healed. For him and his cronies, their cell phones are probably a tax write off and they entitle themselves to the latest models, while the less fortunate cannot afford basic health insurance coverage, NOT because they have uber technology, but because their wages do not cover the ever increasing cost of health insurance coverage. Chaffetz: you are a rank hypocrite and insensitive boorish politician. You simply do not deserve to represent anyone in congress other than your country club cronies. Tell the American people about a single piece of legislation you have authored to HELP people, you know the ones who probably voted for you because you "say" you promise to help them when in reality, all you want is another term to fatten your personal wealth. "SAD."
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Funny that Chaffetz didn't notice all those Iphone users snapping Trump's photo at his rallies while ranting about the dearth of good jobs withe the other.
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American's should be able to afford both phone service and legitimate health care. Yes, phone and health care are too expensive, and both need greater regulation as life promoting services under the social contract we call America. Chaffetz wants to take away the choice of Utah to see ANY doctor at all! His constituents should at least have the chance to call and ambulance!
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Republicans truly believe that people who are less fortunate have done themselves in and deserve their fate. Anyone who accepts any government form of aid is slacking off, no good, unmotivated, lazy, irresponsible, and is a "taker". The poor want to be poor.
Republicans just don't and can't get it. They are indeed callous and dismissive of the hard choices that some people face. Regardless of physical handicaps, illness, abuse, lack of jobs and lack of access to affordable and quality education, no matter what the circumstances, Republicans believe, fervently, that the poor cause their own problems and should be held responsible. On the other hand if you can't afford $100 a month for a cell phone then maybe you need to purchase less expensive phone services. Our land line used to only cost about $18 a month and we didn't have cable TV, and when the baby came along, mom did a separate laundry for diapers. I also remember my dad borrowing money from Household finance at terrible interest rates to be able to afford Blue Cross and Blue Shield. I understand that this is 2017 and not 1961 when our last brother was born. But somehow we survived and carried on without the additional services. We also didn't go out to eat or to the movies often. My dad made about $14,000 a year then, a lot of money. There were 6 of us to feed. I worked at Food Fair grocery store on the weekends and made $1.14 an hour for extra cash. We didn't concern ourselves with sending photos via texts.
Republicans just don't and can't get it. They are indeed callous and dismissive of the hard choices that some people face. Regardless of physical handicaps, illness, abuse, lack of jobs and lack of access to affordable and quality education, no matter what the circumstances, Republicans believe, fervently, that the poor cause their own problems and should be held responsible. On the other hand if you can't afford $100 a month for a cell phone then maybe you need to purchase less expensive phone services. Our land line used to only cost about $18 a month and we didn't have cable TV, and when the baby came along, mom did a separate laundry for diapers. I also remember my dad borrowing money from Household finance at terrible interest rates to be able to afford Blue Cross and Blue Shield. I understand that this is 2017 and not 1961 when our last brother was born. But somehow we survived and carried on without the additional services. We also didn't go out to eat or to the movies often. My dad made about $14,000 a year then, a lot of money. There were 6 of us to feed. I worked at Food Fair grocery store on the weekends and made $1.14 an hour for extra cash. We didn't concern ourselves with sending photos via texts.
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You are attempting to compare two vastly different eras in America. Apples and oranges. Yeah, I'd like to return to that simpler time as well, but unless you have a time machine, those days are gone. Trying to say that people can and should make the kinds of choices today that a family did in the early 60s doesn't come close to understanding what a family needs in today's world.
How out of touch and ill-informed can a Representative be? Time to vote this man out of office.
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It's time to make the society argument for 100% medical coverage. Less bankruptcy, less crime, less poverty, less demand for social services, more prosperity.
And for single payor, which can be a private non-profit, with added-on private coverage for all who want it, and guaranteed confidentiality. This could lower the cost to zero for those who can't afford it, while not costing taxpayers a single penny more. Merely transforming employer contributions into public funding and recouping some costs from doctor savings on insurance clerks would fully cover everyone and still leave plenty of room for privately funded add-ons for everyone who wants them. What's not to like about universal coverage? Nothing.
Treatment patterns can be tracked, patient protections implemented and fraudsters more easily spotted.
And for single payor, which can be a private non-profit, with added-on private coverage for all who want it, and guaranteed confidentiality. This could lower the cost to zero for those who can't afford it, while not costing taxpayers a single penny more. Merely transforming employer contributions into public funding and recouping some costs from doctor savings on insurance clerks would fully cover everyone and still leave plenty of room for privately funded add-ons for everyone who wants them. What's not to like about universal coverage? Nothing.
Treatment patterns can be tracked, patient protections implemented and fraudsters more easily spotted.
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These are Chaffetz voters and (likely) Trump voters. The thing about supporting bullies is that sometimes you get bullied yourself. The stories of the Congress and the Administration turning on the people who elected them is going to be a major theme in the next four years.
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It's really frustrating that taxpayers pay Chaffetz's bills and he gets to avoid doing his job. Then on top of that, he gets to mock his constituents for not being, in his view, personally responsible people. Chaffetz is a reminder of the failure of "representative" government in America. More often than not, these "representatives" hold contempt for their constituents while they mock other forms of government as being inferior and 'too noisy'. I also find it amazing that Republicans complain about Liberals being the elitists when it's become quite clear in the last few decades that Republicans look down on many groups of people they do not feel are representative of their class or the 'true America.'
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This article makes it seem like cell phones are needed for people to be able to say hi to their kids while they are at work and for people to call home to get a shopping list for items needed for dinner. But those things are not absolulely necessary; what is absolutely necessary is getting and keeping a job so you can pay for food and shelter and clothing so you can physically survive. And it is now impossible to get or keep a job without a cell phone; because if you don't have a cell phone, you cannot get a job or keep a job.
Forget about helping Jr. with his homework over your Android; without a smartphone you can't get work, which means Jr. may die of starvation or freeze to death sleeping on streets.
Of course, the wealthy, smug congressman from Utah doesn't have a clue about the most basic realities that the vast majority of Americans live with everyday. He thinks his constituents just want the newest iPhone to be cool, like he does!
These clowns in Washington are a total joke. but we are all laughing at them, not with them.
Forget about helping Jr. with his homework over your Android; without a smartphone you can't get work, which means Jr. may die of starvation or freeze to death sleeping on streets.
Of course, the wealthy, smug congressman from Utah doesn't have a clue about the most basic realities that the vast majority of Americans live with everyday. He thinks his constituents just want the newest iPhone to be cool, like he does!
These clowns in Washington are a total joke. but we are all laughing at them, not with them.
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This family can't afford insurance, they barely have enough to pay their bills. Yet the article states they are conservative and don't believe in federal government getting involved in insurance. This is mind blowing.
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Not when you consider, Not All Women supported having (Just) the Right to Vote, not all Slaves wanted to be Free,...
We wouldn't have Men with Big Hats, Big Cars, Bling,..able to PERSUADE people to sell their bodies and give them 90+% of the profit if folks didn't have a certain "Self-Defeating" Mentality.
But I agree Deb.
We wouldn't have Men with Big Hats, Big Cars, Bling,..able to PERSUADE people to sell their bodies and give them 90+% of the profit if folks didn't have a certain "Self-Defeating" Mentality.
But I agree Deb.
My momma used to say - Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard fight.
Some more than others.
If we are not on this earth to make a hard life better for each other, to leave this place better than we found it, than why are we here? I mean that in the hokiest, most cliched, tree hugging spiritual way. How do we make the best use of the fleeting time we are here?
Making the most money? Having the most stuff? Winning the most? Being the biggest and baddest on a big bad school yard or city or nation or world? Old sayings become old because they ring true. You can't take that with you.
What you can leave behind, how you can inarguably live after you die, is in the hearts and minds and lives of those you helped with your life. The poor, the young, the old - the sick. I don't see how you can go wrong doing that - whether you believe you must justify your life before an ultimate existential judge of morality, or your own conscience as you lay contemplating the life you led.
Do not let politicians, or the detritus of the day, or one of the deadly "sins" or your own worst impulses drive the direction of your life. Do the right thing, the one that makes you feel good. Take care of people. Make life better for them.
Really. Haven't you always felt better giving something to someone else and seeing their joy, then getting something for yourself? If not, why are you here? What role do you play in the universe? What hole needs to be filled when you'er gone?
Some more than others.
If we are not on this earth to make a hard life better for each other, to leave this place better than we found it, than why are we here? I mean that in the hokiest, most cliched, tree hugging spiritual way. How do we make the best use of the fleeting time we are here?
Making the most money? Having the most stuff? Winning the most? Being the biggest and baddest on a big bad school yard or city or nation or world? Old sayings become old because they ring true. You can't take that with you.
What you can leave behind, how you can inarguably live after you die, is in the hearts and minds and lives of those you helped with your life. The poor, the young, the old - the sick. I don't see how you can go wrong doing that - whether you believe you must justify your life before an ultimate existential judge of morality, or your own conscience as you lay contemplating the life you led.
Do not let politicians, or the detritus of the day, or one of the deadly "sins" or your own worst impulses drive the direction of your life. Do the right thing, the one that makes you feel good. Take care of people. Make life better for them.
Really. Haven't you always felt better giving something to someone else and seeing their joy, then getting something for yourself? If not, why are you here? What role do you play in the universe? What hole needs to be filled when you'er gone?
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Just the GOP's new take on Marie Antoinette's "Let them eat cake."
Is anyone really surprised?
Is anyone really surprised?
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Chaffetz's comment is the attitude of his elected leader, so when it's time to cast the ballot let's change their attitude.
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Stop picking this family apart. The issue is not that he earns $13 hr, that they have 3 kids, use disposable diapers, have a smart phone etc.
The issue is that Republicans are clueless about healthcare coverage. Chaffetz equates smart phones with healthcare coverage, which should tell you that he has no comprehension of the complexities of replacing the ACA.
The issue is that Republicans are clueless about healthcare coverage. Chaffetz equates smart phones with healthcare coverage, which should tell you that he has no comprehension of the complexities of replacing the ACA.
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Please - enough with the stories that aim to make us understand Trump voters. I think I understand them pretty well, and I am not impressed.
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This decision to buy a phone is all about priorities. You either choose to pay for healthcare or buy an expensive monthly cell plan. Everyone can make their own choice. If the Hunters want an expensive phone plan to share texts and photos, then that is their choice. What's next? government-subsidized toilet paper or cable tv?
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Do you think that these people have the means to purchase health insurance,
Have you ever paid for health insurance. It is incredibly expensive even for a bad plan.
This is a false equivalency. Maybe you should check around with a few health care companies and see if it is possible for a family to have health insurance for a $100. per month.
Have you ever paid for health insurance. It is incredibly expensive even for a bad plan.
This is a false equivalency. Maybe you should check around with a few health care companies and see if it is possible for a family to have health insurance for a $100. per month.
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Have you ever purchased health insurance? I'd already have several lifetimes of cellphone service for one year of health insurance.
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If you figure a high-end phone plan at $140 a month, which comes to just under $1700, and the average cost of insurance at just under $17,000 (that is average employer cost per family; private plans are about the same on average, but many place the cost in a high deductible) a family would have to forego 10 family phone plans to cover the cost of insurance.
Yes, it is about priorities. About 70% of the country earns $75,000 or less. That makes the cost of family insurance, after taxes about 30% of income, best case. For a family making two minimum wage incomes, the cost might exceed 50% of income. The new proposal would reduce the burden at the top to 23% of after tax income; at the bottom it is still somewhere in the 30-40% range - and that is really only based on federal taxes.
Which 40% of your spending do you prioritize out to cover that huge expense? Rent? Food? Both?
Let's be real - the cost is extraordinary, and for most people unaffordable.
Yes, it is about priorities. About 70% of the country earns $75,000 or less. That makes the cost of family insurance, after taxes about 30% of income, best case. For a family making two minimum wage incomes, the cost might exceed 50% of income. The new proposal would reduce the burden at the top to 23% of after tax income; at the bottom it is still somewhere in the 30-40% range - and that is really only based on federal taxes.
Which 40% of your spending do you prioritize out to cover that huge expense? Rent? Food? Both?
Let's be real - the cost is extraordinary, and for most people unaffordable.
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Mr. Chaffetz is contemporary proof that simple minds view the world in simple terms and, therefore, offer simple solutions to complex situations.
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@ Alan R Brock. "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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Consequences of not having adequate health insurance are dire, not having a smartphone causes inconvenience, security risks and possible financial disadvantage for seeking and maintaining employment.
There are other differences between the two caused by the fact, that the health system is market controlled. In economic terms the "elasticity of demand" is vastly different. If you break a leg you cannot shop for a better deal, delay treatment, wait for a sale or go online. To make health of humans a commodity or in some cases luxury in a rich country is inhuman. So is getting rich on misfortune of fellow citizens.
There are other differences between the two caused by the fact, that the health system is market controlled. In economic terms the "elasticity of demand" is vastly different. If you break a leg you cannot shop for a better deal, delay treatment, wait for a sale or go online. To make health of humans a commodity or in some cases luxury in a rich country is inhuman. So is getting rich on misfortune of fellow citizens.
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These are the same people who Chaifetz and fake 45 conned. When will low income people stop tethering themselves to the GOP because they think they are more "Christian" or in this case "Morman?" The GOP's god is money folks and they use the bible to take from the poor and give to themselves and their rich friends. The Hunters need to grow up and realize that voting out their congressman and the fraud in the WH is their only hope for their children.
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Chaffetz' comments are so typical of the uncaring and disconnected GOP politician who only cares for his donor base.
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You can get a cheap flip phone to make calls you don't need a smart 4g phone to look for dates. Chaffetz is correct. Live with in your means and stop stealing from my kids
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anyone wondering why the current political nightmare we have in this country exists need look no further than this comment.
I live in an area where cell phone service is sketchy, so a lot of people don't have cell phones, especially smart phones. This is flip phone country. And it's also poor country. There's an info tech revolution going on, and milllions of people in the U.S. are being left behind. And it's not good for the United States.
When a Congressman writes it off as, hey, when you're poor you can't have everything, he's giving short shrift to the technology divide that is part of the larger division that is splintering our country. Part of the red state contempt for the blue staters is that the blues live in this tech world that makes life easier, more connected, etc. that's isn't available in red areas. And part of the Republican failure is to think that we can "make America great again" without doing more to make the infotech revolution affordable and accessible to more Americans.
That's not to say everything should be free. But my God, health and technology are essential to improving the national standard of living. And isn't what the goal of our policies should be?
When a Congressman writes it off as, hey, when you're poor you can't have everything, he's giving short shrift to the technology divide that is part of the larger division that is splintering our country. Part of the red state contempt for the blue staters is that the blues live in this tech world that makes life easier, more connected, etc. that's isn't available in red areas. And part of the Republican failure is to think that we can "make America great again" without doing more to make the infotech revolution affordable and accessible to more Americans.
That's not to say everything should be free. But my God, health and technology are essential to improving the national standard of living. And isn't what the goal of our policies should be?
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Looks like they are using a "smart phone". A track phone would achieve the same purpose and cost much less.
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Jason Chaffetz paid $738 of his donors' money for a new iPhone 6s in July, 2016. Not his own money. Chaffetz is clearly not suitable to represent the people of Utah. He looks down on them.
Healthcare should be a fundamental and affordable right in this country. Instead, we have elected officials who look down on the people who voted him in. I sincerely hope one day he experiences the anxiety and worry of having no health insurance.
Healthcare should be a fundamental and affordable right in this country. Instead, we have elected officials who look down on the people who voted him in. I sincerely hope one day he experiences the anxiety and worry of having no health insurance.
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"If they lived one state over"...Colorado did expand Medicaid.
I guess we heathens, instead of just praying, actually care to help the less fortunate.
So glad and proud to live in Colorado.
I guess we heathens, instead of just praying, actually care to help the less fortunate.
So glad and proud to live in Colorado.
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Here in Germany, this family would have statutory health insurance that would cost them just under 8% of ther gross salary. The employer would pay the other half amounting to atotal of about 15.5 % percent of gross income. Of course, people who earn more pay more but at least everyone has some insurance.
It is not a perfect system and it has its problems but people get treatment and do not go bankrupt if they get seriously ill.
I will never understand why this is not possible in the United States. When will people realize that they are responsible for each other in a civilized society so that everyone can belong when it comes to basics like health care and education.
It is not a perfect system and it has its problems but people get treatment and do not go bankrupt if they get seriously ill.
I will never understand why this is not possible in the United States. When will people realize that they are responsible for each other in a civilized society so that everyone can belong when it comes to basics like health care and education.
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Here's a suggestion for the current POTUS. If he's a billionaire as he claims, then he doesn't need sickness insurance. Let him by executive fiat, therefore, strip from the salary packages of all federal politicans and White House employees all their so-called health insurance policies. Then when they get sick, they can pawn or sell their iPhones at the current market value and use the proceeds to pay to get better.
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The guy who told you to just eat cake and pay your way lived for free in his office, while getting perks, pay, and allotments for an apartment he never got:
From the daily beast, 10/5/2015:
Chaffetz lives in his office:
"After defeating Cannon in 2008 Chaffetz quickly became one of the higher profile freshman members—in part because he, along with Colorado Democrat Jared Polis, documented his freshman year of Congress in a video diary for CNN.
One of the things he was most vocal about at the time was the fact that Chaffetz slept on a cot in his office.
As of December 2014, he was still sleeping on a cot—although the office has gotten bigger and better. We’ll update as soon as we know if he plans on using the speaker’s office suite as a crash pad if he makes the cut.."
From the daily beast, 10/5/2015:
Chaffetz lives in his office:
"After defeating Cannon in 2008 Chaffetz quickly became one of the higher profile freshman members—in part because he, along with Colorado Democrat Jared Polis, documented his freshman year of Congress in a video diary for CNN.
One of the things he was most vocal about at the time was the fact that Chaffetz slept on a cot in his office.
As of December 2014, he was still sleeping on a cot—although the office has gotten bigger and better. We’ll update as soon as we know if he plans on using the speaker’s office suite as a crash pad if he makes the cut.."
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The consciences of so-called Chrisitian free marketers are assuaged by the following Orwellia proposition: Allowed to operate unrestrained the health care market will create opportunities for profit-seeking health care providers to make profits selling health care to people with no money. Now how crazy is that? Even if one factor's in Chaffetz's bread and water injunction many poor folks will be left with a choice of health care or starvation. In that so many of Chaffetz's fellow social Darwinist profess to be devout Christians, America has given rise to a form of Christianity that renders unto God what is Ceasar's and vice versa. Trumpian Christianity!
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I am a liberal. I am certainly not defending buffoon Chaffetz, but can someone please tell me what a person with a $1300/mo income is doing with a $400/mo car payment? And tell me , too, is the car salesman a member of that very kind, considerate, and of course, compassionate, self-serving Republican Party?!??
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There's no point in debating the validity of Chaffetz' false equivalency ... he's shown himself to be little more than a propaganda tool for his superiors. And not a very good one at that, just the typical slogans, buzzwords, half-truths, etc., instead of presenting facts. Looks like more throwing crap against the wall to see how many suckers will bite. However, more revealing is his interest in telling people how to live their lives when the GOP, as I recall, wants government out of peoples' lives. I think we get a glimpse of how these people really think.
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While I would agree with Mr. Chaffetz's comment about the "i phone" specifically since it is outrageously pricey but I think he is way off base in making the assumption that everyone has this particular phone. He apparently doesn't realize that most lower income people use the trac or similar phones. And the $50 to $80/month bill comes no where close to paying the premiums for health insurance. Don't we wish? And having a phone is a necessity, not a luxury. We all know this. Mr. Chaffetz is showing such disrespect for those who are working minimum wage jobs and provide service to him and his high paid colleagues every day. Shame.
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Insensitive.... and such a false choice....
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As an outsider looking in, I find it hard to believe the level of opposition to universal health care in the US. The Australian Medicare system is not perfect and it does need to be fixed but no one is turned away from a hospital or a medical centre if you have your Medicare card. Yes we do pay a lot in income tax but we know it contributes towards payment for health coverage for ALL Australian residents. We also have private health insurance and that merely supplements the Medicare system. Just a thought.
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Some should ask Mr. Chavetz if he knows how much a gallon of milk costs.
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My friend cares for people in their homes and tells me they are impoverished yet all have their heads buried in cell phones as she fills out the Medicaid forms. I'm probably not supposed to tell you that so you would never know. Excuse me, a homeless guy wants me to show him how to take a selfie before he jumps. "Don't jump, and I'll do it."
"OK."
That was easy. It's not really that hard to be a saint in the city.
"OK."
That was easy. It's not really that hard to be a saint in the city.
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When will the conservative voters who are less well off financially in this country realize that the GOP has never done them any favors, and does not work on their interest?
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This good dog and I do not own a cellphone. A friend once tried repeatedly to give us one and wouldn't stop until we threatened to report him to the police for stalking us.
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Since I got a decent smartphone, I use a pedometer app and I walk at least 2 miles a day, carefully watching it. I'm able to look up nutrition for everything I eat or am thinking of eating. I use an exercise app and monitor my progress. I even use a mediation app. My smartphone will save lots of visits to the doctor.
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Representative Chaffetz would do well to dust off his resume.
When the results are in for the midterm elections, it appears that he may wishing that he had paid closer attention to his constituents than to the temporary incumbent at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
When the results are in for the midterm elections, it appears that he may wishing that he had paid closer attention to his constituents than to the temporary incumbent at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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By and by, Americans, especially those who voted for Trump, will realize that Obamacare was better than any other option Republicans have given them. Then, there'll be no shortage of schadenfreude from this reader.
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I just heard a quote on TV today about former President Obama saying the same thing in an interview as Chaffetz said. I was looking back for an article about how insensitive that was in the NYTIMES but didn't find one. Maybe though the real problem is how poorly the working class has done since 2000 and how much they needed a champion for their cause. The last 8 years they have not participated in the wealth that has made elites very wealthy. The ACA has serious problems and instead of working to fix them, the democrats have been obstructionists. We need to lower the cost of health insurance and increase the number of good jobs so people don't have to choose between phone service and health care.
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This is evocative and heart breaking reporting. I feel empathy for these families, although we probably don't share the same views on many issues. My heart breaks for them.
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Yes we may not?
Flaccid readership leads vapid leadership.
Your paper has reported prominently North Korea threating to nuke US bases in the Western Pacific.
Pine Gap is the the centre of Australia.
Mr Hockey, our ambassador to the US has been criticised as an inept Australian treasurer .
Your researchers may note that an inept Attorney General, Senator Brandis
may be appointed to a senior diplomatic post.
Apparently Mr Downer will not relinquish his post to Senator Brandis.
In 1972 Australia achieved universal health insurance and free university .
Australian politics is a monochrome version of Game of Thrones and Oz the latter a prison drama.
When America pulls its finger out concerning the pornography of arrogant ignorance in politics I hope my country survives North Korean nukes.
Mr Trump is a reflection of an America bereft of ideas and values.
Pennsylvania Avenue meets Wall Street and North Korea.
The perfect storm.
Michael
Flaccid readership leads vapid leadership.
Your paper has reported prominently North Korea threating to nuke US bases in the Western Pacific.
Pine Gap is the the centre of Australia.
Mr Hockey, our ambassador to the US has been criticised as an inept Australian treasurer .
Your researchers may note that an inept Attorney General, Senator Brandis
may be appointed to a senior diplomatic post.
Apparently Mr Downer will not relinquish his post to Senator Brandis.
In 1972 Australia achieved universal health insurance and free university .
Australian politics is a monochrome version of Game of Thrones and Oz the latter a prison drama.
When America pulls its finger out concerning the pornography of arrogant ignorance in politics I hope my country survives North Korean nukes.
Mr Trump is a reflection of an America bereft of ideas and values.
Pennsylvania Avenue meets Wall Street and North Korea.
The perfect storm.
Michael
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So the person in the story makes $13-an-hour, has a stay-at-home wife and three children, and the best thing he can think of doing with $100-a-month is pace for two cell phones? Sounds like a sub-optimal allocation of scarce resources.
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Many decision makers have little understanding what life is like for people who make $9.00-$10.00 an hour.The affluent take for granted having the basic societal tools needed to feel connected to the community. They may describe basic tools as television, phone, electricity, heat, car as "luxuries" or indulgences for poor people, yet on the other hand, they view these items as bare bones necessities for themselves. Few politicians could imagine not being able to call work, family, friends, or a doctor when they needed to. Few could imagine "cutting themselves off" from society by giving up telephone and TV, yet seem to recognize these as basic needs for others, when cut off, will lead to further marginalization and disconnection for working poor...and losing marketability to employers. Decision makers also may not know what it is like for a person making $9.00/hr--- work 7 days to pay for the month's food (nothing fancy, no salmon, little or no meat, no organic food); Another day and a half of work to pay the phone bill, and another day for television. Two day's work to put gas in the car for the month (drive to and from work only, no joy rides or out of town visits). Another two day's work to pay for the electricity and gas, provided you have kept the thermostat at 50 degrees all month. 14 days of work to pay from rent...So, all the money is spent- and auto insurance, health insurance, cleaning supplies, shoes are still needed. No extras, no vacation, It's just existence.
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Nonsense. I started out as VERY low income and did without a lot of things for a few decades to establish myself. Many of us here did.
We also didn't pump out kids in our 20s; we docised on bettering our job skills, work history and marketability.
We also didn't pump out kids in our 20s; we docised on bettering our job skills, work history and marketability.
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Two items struck me from the article. Why does the one family have a $400 a month car payment? That's exorbitant for a struggling family. Also, why does a family have three children that it can't afford?
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Chris, you're right, we should start mandating lower child rates based on income, and let him bike to work, right?
Actually, how can you presume to understand what their life is about? Do you have children? Perhaps they were not planned (but that's none of our business) and perhaps they needed a new car, with three kids you do want reliability, right?
How do you feel about abortion, is that a route they should have taken to limit the number of kids? They are lucky enough to be able to keep the mother home to raise the kids, it's a struggle they seem willing to take, who are you, or anyone, to judge?
Actually, how can you presume to understand what their life is about? Do you have children? Perhaps they were not planned (but that's none of our business) and perhaps they needed a new car, with three kids you do want reliability, right?
How do you feel about abortion, is that a route they should have taken to limit the number of kids? They are lucky enough to be able to keep the mother home to raise the kids, it's a struggle they seem willing to take, who are you, or anyone, to judge?
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I'm sure there are many in Congress who are wondering the same thing.
Stay tuned, then, for more legislation that will "fix" that "problem."
Stay tuned, then, for more legislation that will "fix" that "problem."
"Let them eat cake!" What I don't understand is why so many working class whites in these red states continue to vote for Republican leaders who clearly don't understand or even care about their struggles. I know many are manipulated into voting against their own interests, but surely they can now see the writing on the wall?!
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Health insurance is rip off for alot people who actually dont ever use it because they dont have health problems. Government has no bussness telling a person they have to have insurance so insurance compnays can make trillions on wall street. Eevery one knows medicare for all will work for people .Think of all billions of taxs in medicare employees pay an companys an employee dies before reaching age 65 to go on medicare wheres all money go ?
my monthly cellphone bill in Austria is EUR 12,00 = USD 13,00 for unlimited calls, unlimited text and 17GB data. The question is not if US-citizens need permission by their lawmakers to buy expensive cell-phones but:
How come US-citizens get ripped off so bad by US-phone companies ??
How come US-citizens get ripped off so bad by US-phone companies ??
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I always wondered why the Adoration Media Partners never called Barack Hussein O on his remark that people should remember what they spend on cable TV and smartphones when complaining about the new higher costs of his signature project to boost the power of the federal government.
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If Jason wanted to dig a little further, he might look at his constituents' proclivity for having more kids than they can afford to raise. Who pays for that, Jason?
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Good God, how did people communicate and survive before the cell phone? How did fathers fathers keep in touch with family while at work on oil rigs etc? It's called a landline, folks. Much cheaper, and you don't interfere with peoples' work by texting them pictures or messages.
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Not cheaper when you consider long distance charges.
Let me point out a factor which may not have been mentioned: The Hunters have three children. Children are expensive, though I'd leave it to the Hunters, or to other commentators, to calculate how this affects their budget. But it certainly does. And now, "full disclosure": I have three children -- but that was fifty years ago. My children have two, two, and one. I love them all dearly, and I have not been judgmental about this with them , nor would I be with the Hunters. But - we're in a different world now.
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$1800 a month and THREE children? Then maybe 4? 5? ... n?
How will they pay for the education of their offspring?
The $100/month on the phone does not seem to be the major issue this people have.
Do humans have free will? Do you believe in taking responsibility for one's choices? Do you think Society should support all and any "choices?"
How will they pay for the education of their offspring?
The $100/month on the phone does not seem to be the major issue this people have.
Do humans have free will? Do you believe in taking responsibility for one's choices? Do you think Society should support all and any "choices?"
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No one familiar with Republican-speak thinks that Chaffetz was actually talking about health insurance costs versus unnecessary expenses. He was simply employing that tired but effective (especially with low-information voters) trope that unworthy poor people are spending money the federal government gave them - money YOU gave them - to buy things they don't deserve.
Republicans have always hated the poor and less fortunate, but they have truly escalated their war against them so they can serve as an effective distraction to working class whites while the GOP shreds the few flimsy threads remaining in our pitiful safety net.
Republicans have always hated the poor and less fortunate, but they have truly escalated their war against them so they can serve as an effective distraction to working class whites while the GOP shreds the few flimsy threads remaining in our pitiful safety net.
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What infuriates me is the woman described as a manager at McDonalds. Why doesn't Ronald McDonald give her insurance? Unreal, shameful. Ditto the working poor at Walmart. The Walton family is richer than God. They can build a museum and collect art....but I wonder how they sleep at night.
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Poor people arguably need cellphones and smartphones more than rich and middle-class people do. My mother doesn't use a smart phone and barely knows how to answer the cheap phone I got her for emergencies, but she is retired and moreover, as a middle-class person--even a quite frugal one-- she can afford high speed internet, a computer, paying a guy to fix and show her how to use her computer, newspaper subscriptions, and cable TV. So she can stay in touch with family, friends, the local community, and the world. Without internet access at home this family would be isolated--particularly the stay-at-home mom, and further disadvantaged not only at work but also at school. Schools increasingly communicate with families via the internet and children have to do on-line assignments.
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The hunters don't earn enough income to pay tax penalties for not buying insurance...they would have qualified for expanded Medicaid but their representative Mr. Chaffetz and their governor are against that. These people should be furious with the government but they keep voting for the same people that block services to people like them and instead choose to give tax breaks to the well wishers that send texts.
They are getting the government they voted for...
They are getting the government they voted for...
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Can Republicans stop infantilizing constituents who weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths? No, of course not. We are talking about Republicans after all, the same people who expect Americans worthy of that name to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, to ween themselves off the entitlements such as medicaid, or, in the case of health insurance, subsidies, while at the same time denying an increase in minimum wage. Also, denial of childcare so that work can actually be an option.
Instead of sounding like a dad trying to use tough love to teach his teenager a lesson he sounds willfully ignorant and downright facetious. My premium, plus several medications which I need to function and which do not exist as generics, together add up to about $1,400 a month. For that amount I could literally purchase 2 iPhones. It's a ridiculous argument to make and completely inappropriate for a politician. A politician with a generous health care package for which we, the tax payers, foot the bill, I might add.
Clearly, Republicans don't let reality cloud their judgments. Why expect that they know the difference between Aetna and AT&T, between business deals and diplomacy, between weather and climate change. It's all a big pile of mystery to them, or so they claim. Unfortunately, others just as unenlightened, actually keep electing and reelecting these people into office where they now hold the power to run the entire planet into the ground.
Instead of sounding like a dad trying to use tough love to teach his teenager a lesson he sounds willfully ignorant and downright facetious. My premium, plus several medications which I need to function and which do not exist as generics, together add up to about $1,400 a month. For that amount I could literally purchase 2 iPhones. It's a ridiculous argument to make and completely inappropriate for a politician. A politician with a generous health care package for which we, the tax payers, foot the bill, I might add.
Clearly, Republicans don't let reality cloud their judgments. Why expect that they know the difference between Aetna and AT&T, between business deals and diplomacy, between weather and climate change. It's all a big pile of mystery to them, or so they claim. Unfortunately, others just as unenlightened, actually keep electing and reelecting these people into office where they now hold the power to run the entire planet into the ground.
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Like every argument made by conservatives it's a false choice. People need to be educated in classical fallacious arguments/logic in school. But then maybe there would a lot less Republican voters, because more would understand the mechanisms through which they are ever and always cheated and fooled by the people they trust.
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Chaffetz' comment is very revealing about how people in the US, and particularly the GOP, view healthcare.
In any other developed country, having healthcare is considered a basic human right. You are entitled to it by virtue of being a human being. In the US, we see it as just another consumer product, in the same category as an iPhone. If you're not willing to make financial sacrifices, you shouldn't have healthcare. If you can't afford healthcare, too bad for you for making bad life choices (like being born poor).
To use an analogy, imagine if police protection were available only to those who could afford it. If someone was being assaulted and couldn't afford police insurance, the cop would just stand by and watch, and people wold say "Too bad the victim made bad choices and bought his new iPhone rather than paying for police insurance." We (rightly) see that as crazy, but most of the world sees our healthcare system as being exactly like that. We're willing to watch poor people die because they can't afford insurance.
In any other developed country, having healthcare is considered a basic human right. You are entitled to it by virtue of being a human being. In the US, we see it as just another consumer product, in the same category as an iPhone. If you're not willing to make financial sacrifices, you shouldn't have healthcare. If you can't afford healthcare, too bad for you for making bad life choices (like being born poor).
To use an analogy, imagine if police protection were available only to those who could afford it. If someone was being assaulted and couldn't afford police insurance, the cop would just stand by and watch, and people wold say "Too bad the victim made bad choices and bought his new iPhone rather than paying for police insurance." We (rightly) see that as crazy, but most of the world sees our healthcare system as being exactly like that. We're willing to watch poor people die because they can't afford insurance.
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and actually there was a time in this country when what you describe was the case (not 100 pct abput policibg, but the fire dept for sure)
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Guess which country is missing from this list -
https://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-...
Hint: it's the richest country on the planet!
https://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-...
Hint: it's the richest country on the planet!
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Jason Chaffetz, the guy who has govt funded health care for life, AND who pays for his iPhone, iPad, and Verizon bill via campaign donations. Talk about a welfare queen.
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Maybe he Hunters don't know about those ObamaPhones ?
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Under the proposed repeal and replace of the ACA, the rich get richer and the poor get sicker. The wholesale changes that the administration is making to the American system is frightening and dangerous.
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Oh, was he the guy who said he could NOT support the serial sexual predator, Don the Con, because he could not face his daughter and then several weeks later was supporting the Orange clown? What a clown himself!
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It is both stunning and sickening that a country with as much wealth as ours opts to leave people without meaningful healthcare. Members of Congress should be ashamed. And deflecting blame by suggesting that people are irresponsibly choosing too expensive a cell phone is offensive. Effective governments around the world provide healthcare, ours would be no different if only it prioritized its whole citizenry over its super-rich and corporate constituents.
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The woman with the $400/month car payment needs to find a more modest vehicle.
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Why do these poor, downtrodden people keep voting republican? The Republicans do everything they can to make the lives of everyone who is not rich worse. At what point will these people realize they're being taken advantage of and flat out lied to about how the world works??
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Why? Faux news, bill orally, Sean hannity, sarah Palin, rush Limburger, etc....
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When I was in College (98-02), I had a landline through the lifeline program For less than $10 a month and if the power went out it still worked. I got a cheap mobile phone in 2006 and with a discount through my union paid less than $40/mo for service. I have a smartphone now and pay less than $60 for data.
I also am self employed as a tax preparer and accountant and pay for my own healthcare - something that was only possible after the ACA because I grew up with asthma. Preparing taxes after the ACA (when I had to ask about healthcare- amazingly informative) gave me great insight into the disinterestedness of clients to both care about and understand their own tax situations and financial health. One client read me the riot act about the mandate when I informed him he would pay a penalty for not insuring the health of his wife. He also leased a luxury car for nearly $500/mo.
I also am self employed as a tax preparer and accountant and pay for my own healthcare - something that was only possible after the ACA because I grew up with asthma. Preparing taxes after the ACA (when I had to ask about healthcare- amazingly informative) gave me great insight into the disinterestedness of clients to both care about and understand their own tax situations and financial health. One client read me the riot act about the mandate when I informed him he would pay a penalty for not insuring the health of his wife. He also leased a luxury car for nearly $500/mo.
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Health insurance companies just love the way it is - they just shovel easy money to their vaults in enormous quantities. Perhaps a mighty share of American law makers are beneficiaries in this business.
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My wife and I are paying less than $35 per month combined billing for our Android smartphone. That gets us 250 minutes (if we go over that costs $5), and 2000 text messages, and 200 MB of data usage. We can call each other for free.
Since the landline phone was costing us even more, we disconnected the landline which was giving us much less service. Moreover, it never stopped ringing with sales calls which ignored the do not call list.
When the phone clearly needs to be used for data "apps", then we wait and do it with wifi.
We are paying extra, $2 per month, for printed usage detail. That is included in the above figures, and the various inexplicable taxes and fees are included in the $35.
Since the landline phone was costing us even more, we disconnected the landline which was giving us much less service. Moreover, it never stopped ringing with sales calls which ignored the do not call list.
When the phone clearly needs to be used for data "apps", then we wait and do it with wifi.
We are paying extra, $2 per month, for printed usage detail. That is included in the above figures, and the various inexplicable taxes and fees are included in the $35.
Even though I do not yet own a cellphone or smartphone, it's ridiculous to think most people could do without theirs. However, how much do these people spend on TV (cable or satellite)? There is a budget item to cut and spend instead on health insurance.
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Umm, with just a little smart shopping and judicious use of publically available wifi, you can reduce your cell phone bill to under 20 dollars a month. And very capable phones can be had for under 150 dollars. Somehow people managed before smartphones. It can and should be done.
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People "managed" before refrigeration, ambulances, and zippers. Should we have to manage without them today? Or do you just mean poor people?
It boggles my mind that my fellow Utahns keep voting against their own best interests. The Utah Legislature is full of self serving powermongers who wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone in need. The Republicans here have so much power that they don't even try to hide their corruption. They will do anything to makes sure no Democrat has a say in anything that happens. So that means no healthcare, severely insufficient education funding, ridiculous controlling laws regarding liquor, and of course a deep hatred of anything associated in any way with the "Feds." No one can even offer a competing idea because so many meetings are closed door, and even if they aren't they make sure opposing ideas are not heard.
Chaffetz didn't even campaign for the last election because he knew as long as there is an R next to his name, he'll get elected, no matter what he does.
So when I read articles like this, I just shake my head. I want to feel badly for the Hunters, I myself was without insurance until the ACA. I don't want anyone to be uninsured. But the electorate here keeps shooting itself in its own foot. As long as they keep voting these bozos in, nothing will change, and healthcare will remain out of reach.
Chaffetz didn't even campaign for the last election because he knew as long as there is an R next to his name, he'll get elected, no matter what he does.
So when I read articles like this, I just shake my head. I want to feel badly for the Hunters, I myself was without insurance until the ACA. I don't want anyone to be uninsured. But the electorate here keeps shooting itself in its own foot. As long as they keep voting these bozos in, nothing will change, and healthcare will remain out of reach.
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The people interviewed got exactly what they voted for. Sadly, it's the rest of us who are forced to live under this idiocy.
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The debate is not either\or, but what is the minimum. ( always has been )
If you do not have any bootstraps, then you cannot lift yourself up. republicans think that all people, no matter what their condition or situation have bootstraps, and THAT is the problem.
We, as a society must choose once and for all, what the ''guarantees'' are for life. republicans ( and few democrats ) espouse that once life is created ( the tiniest amount of cells ), then that life must be nurtured and cared for ( even at the expense of the mother in some situations ) until brought into this world.
You would think that bootstraps are automatically given to the fledgling babies, once they take their first breath out of the caring comfort of the womb, but they are not.
So, there is no choice between phones and insurance, anymore that there is a choice between living and dying. There is only the choice of governments ( society ) to decide once and for all if we truly are a society, which has no choice but to take care of everyone, no matter the circumstance.
It's not a zero sum game.
If you do not have any bootstraps, then you cannot lift yourself up. republicans think that all people, no matter what their condition or situation have bootstraps, and THAT is the problem.
We, as a society must choose once and for all, what the ''guarantees'' are for life. republicans ( and few democrats ) espouse that once life is created ( the tiniest amount of cells ), then that life must be nurtured and cared for ( even at the expense of the mother in some situations ) until brought into this world.
You would think that bootstraps are automatically given to the fledgling babies, once they take their first breath out of the caring comfort of the womb, but they are not.
So, there is no choice between phones and insurance, anymore that there is a choice between living and dying. There is only the choice of governments ( society ) to decide once and for all if we truly are a society, which has no choice but to take care of everyone, no matter the circumstance.
It's not a zero sum game.
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"The Hunters have thought plenty about trying to cut out the $100 they spend on cellphone service every month."
Clearly they haven't "thought plenty" enough, considering one can buy a family plan with unlimited calls and unlimited texts for $35/month. Emphasis on FAMILY plan: it covers a family of four. The solo plan is $20/month. They charge $10 per gigabyte of data used, but these days one can obtain free wifi service everywhere from McDonald's to the local library, which should negate the need for most data service. Who offers such a wonderful plan, you ask? It's available from an obscure little company called Google (and it's called Project Fi).
I agree that internet access is a necessity in this day and age, but what's *not* a necessity is using some of the most expensive forms of access to it -- which is exactly what Rep. Chaffetz's constituents appear to be doing. No, you truly *don't* need that brand-new iPhone to access it - an iPhone 4 from 2012 works just as well. I'd also question the $400 monthly car payments one person interviewed is doling out; my son pays $160/month for the loan on his Toyota Camry Hybrid (bought used when it was five years old). It gets 50 miles per gallon, which I'm guessing is about 4x-5x times more than the full-size trucks that seem to be standard in northern Utah, an area where I spend three months per year.
Their advocacy for pols voting against their own self-interests is one thing, but their lack of basic common sense truly stuns.
Clearly they haven't "thought plenty" enough, considering one can buy a family plan with unlimited calls and unlimited texts for $35/month. Emphasis on FAMILY plan: it covers a family of four. The solo plan is $20/month. They charge $10 per gigabyte of data used, but these days one can obtain free wifi service everywhere from McDonald's to the local library, which should negate the need for most data service. Who offers such a wonderful plan, you ask? It's available from an obscure little company called Google (and it's called Project Fi).
I agree that internet access is a necessity in this day and age, but what's *not* a necessity is using some of the most expensive forms of access to it -- which is exactly what Rep. Chaffetz's constituents appear to be doing. No, you truly *don't* need that brand-new iPhone to access it - an iPhone 4 from 2012 works just as well. I'd also question the $400 monthly car payments one person interviewed is doling out; my son pays $160/month for the loan on his Toyota Camry Hybrid (bought used when it was five years old). It gets 50 miles per gallon, which I'm guessing is about 4x-5x times more than the full-size trucks that seem to be standard in northern Utah, an area where I spend three months per year.
Their advocacy for pols voting against their own self-interests is one thing, but their lack of basic common sense truly stuns.
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Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah is an idiot--please resign and let uninsured Americans "invest in their own health care" by voting in a decent Representative.
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These are decent, family people. The should have cell phones and health insurance. Life should not be so hard in this enormous wealthy nation.
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I dont call it decent to produce kids you can't feed without food stamps. I call it hypocritical when chaffetz voters do it.
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Hello Utah!
Judging by the comments, 98% of you cannot stand this guy!
Why did you elect him to mis-represent you? What good did he bring to you?
Get him out!
Judging by the comments, 98% of you cannot stand this guy!
Why did you elect him to mis-represent you? What good did he bring to you?
Get him out!
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Trump and all the Republicans believe and they are probably right even if they mess up the economy and health care, those folks like the Hunters that voted for them will stick with them because they are 'conservatives' who do not believe the government has a right to tell them what to do even if it is the right thing to do. Trump is banking on enriching himself and his family like third world dictators and get away with it. We are all betting his Republican enablers and voters like the Hunters will let him do it in spite of the suffering he is inflicting on them.
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People should have to pass a simple civics test before they are allowed to vote. They should also have to pass genetic and psych profiles before breeding is allowed. The self destructiveness of humanity is beyond infinity.
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It's difficult for me to find empathy for anyone who could even think of pulling a lever for the likes of Jason Chaffetz. I can barely stand typing his name. I'm sorry, but Those People - and I mean all of them, across the narrow spectrum of white "real" American - are the ones who have done this to us. Who they are, and whatever it is that rattles around in their credulous low-info heads, is how we got here, and it's not Ok.
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I surely hope Stuart Vance at Fox doesn't read this: he lost his mind when he found out from the Heritage Foundation that poor people have fridges!
On the other hand, maybe he won't be surprised because he believes that the only thing poor people lack is a "richness of spirit". And people making $39 million a year suffered a decrease to $29 million a year because of the 2008 crash...they were hurt significantly more than the poor and middle class in America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z659U9x6lcA
On the other hand, maybe he won't be surprised because he believes that the only thing poor people lack is a "richness of spirit". And people making $39 million a year suffered a decrease to $29 million a year because of the 2008 crash...they were hurt significantly more than the poor and middle class in America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z659U9x6lcA
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I was in the military for 21 years. I learned one key lesson. People of other countries are pretty much just like those in these United States. They want basic things in life. Safety, be able to raise their families, pray to whomever they were raise do to pray to, earn a living.
Trump and his misfits have created a certain kind of inertia attempting to take the United States in the direction of being controlled by dictator Trump and his little boyfriend Putin. To me, everyone seems to miss the part that this is not about just Trump and Putin, it is about the populations of the US [319 mil] and the population of Russia [143 mil]. What if the “people” of these two countries decided on a different path other than what Trump and Putin want? What if the people were to join together and change the direction of the world? What if the “people” of China were to agree to come along? How many other nations of “people” would come together?
It is my experience that it is governments that create the chaos… a handful of people causing so much pain for so many others.
If I was the Democrats, I would use this inertia to their advantage. Use the inertia to move in a direction for the “people”, all of the “people”.
Trump and his misfits have created a certain kind of inertia attempting to take the United States in the direction of being controlled by dictator Trump and his little boyfriend Putin. To me, everyone seems to miss the part that this is not about just Trump and Putin, it is about the populations of the US [319 mil] and the population of Russia [143 mil]. What if the “people” of these two countries decided on a different path other than what Trump and Putin want? What if the people were to join together and change the direction of the world? What if the “people” of China were to agree to come along? How many other nations of “people” would come together?
It is my experience that it is governments that create the chaos… a handful of people causing so much pain for so many others.
If I was the Democrats, I would use this inertia to their advantage. Use the inertia to move in a direction for the “people”, all of the “people”.
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Sometimes, I wonder if the GOPpers stay-up night just thinking of one being more asinine than another. If Affordable Health Care were so terribly "awful", and the Law was passed almost seven years ago, where were the boisterous crowds flocking to Town Halls, demanding its repeal? Instead, well over 20 million have signed-up for it.
Also, Speaker Paul Ryan says that Americans would be guaranteed coverage for "pre-existing conditions", and he also says that you shouldn't have to buy it if you don't want it. But, the GOP prefers to point-out that you have to have been paying into the insurance, all along, to be covered if you develop, say, cancer, Other wise, no health insurer could afford mot stay in business.
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
Also, Speaker Paul Ryan says that Americans would be guaranteed coverage for "pre-existing conditions", and he also says that you shouldn't have to buy it if you don't want it. But, the GOP prefers to point-out that you have to have been paying into the insurance, all along, to be covered if you develop, say, cancer, Other wise, no health insurer could afford mot stay in business.
https://thetruthoncommonsense.com
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Will you foolish Republican voters ever get a clue? Are you really so blinded by what you hear on Fox News that you cannot see what is plain as day? People...your 'representatives' on the right do not care one bit about you. They never have and they never will. Wake up! Save yourselves. It is only going to get worse for you if you keep people like Chaffetz in office. The only reason the ACA was not affordable for you is because the Republicans wouldn't agree to universal health care, which is what the Dems wanted. They settled for the ACA because of the Republicans, and it was a far cry above what you're about to get, which is zip.
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Chaffetz showed what an ignorant mean spirited elitist man he really is. Wait until his constituents feel the impact of health care "reform".
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Really! A smart phone versus Health care? Some people have to make a decision if they can afford Health Care or food. Especially since the Trump care will rip off the poor, and elderly while lining the pockets of the Privileged. For shame! Obamacare may need some changes to make it better, but it is has helped millions of people to get medical coverage not available before. The new plan will put people's health in jeopardy. Actually you ram through a plan without knowing what it will cost? When the AMA won't support it- the nurses and doctors can't support it, who do you think is going to accept the insurance?
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Taxpayers send over $100,000,000.00 a year to Utah to subsidize farmers. That doesn't count discounted grazing fees from BLM and a host of other welfare benefits. Chaffetz has some nerve calling out working poor people!
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The couple that voted for Chaffetz is as much of a problem as Chaffetz himself, probably even more so.
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Just another variation on the Reagan 'welfare queen'. Blame the victim. It's the repugnantan way.
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So... If I throw away my cell phone I'll be better able to cover my own health insurance cost? Great! I'm going out to buy a cell phone so I can throw it away!
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You have three kids and you don't have health insurance? That should be a crime. Either that, or you are lying.
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One question, what did we do before we had cell phones? It pains every parent to be away from their children, but getting updates everyday while you are at work is very childish. What the congressman was saying is prioritizing your expenses as to what is most important in your life and your children's lives. The old cell will have to work for now versus buying a new one versus not having health care.
why cell phones? we could also that people are choosing to buys cars, new clothes, travel, eat out etc instead of putting thousands of dollars towards insurance. having a cell phone even a smart phone is as much expected and a part of most society today as a car was 20 years ago. many jobs expcect their employess to be able to respond to email, check on employees etc from afar and outside of office hours. I would like to have insurance, yes. coudl i afford to if i canceled by iphone bill? no. what all these proponents the vital need for healthcare also don't mention is that after spending hundreds of dollars a month on insurance you still have thousands of dollars as a deductible and thus are paying out of pocket forr all dr. visits the average person needs a year. not to mention co-pays on visits and meds.
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How did we survive without cell phones years ago? Did the world not exist? I don't think the congressman was suggesting not having a phone, he was suggesting maybe you don't need the expensive phone, the old phone or budget phone will work just fine and meet your needs. The hysteria from the left and left wing media is funny.
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then he could have said just that. his (and and by extension your defense of his comment) is just as ignornant (and callous) as when people say "why do so many people on welfare have a tv" (tv's are very cheap) or a "bmw" (it could, and usually is a used one) or take your pick... as if poor people shouldn't have anything but the bare necessities and should not be allowed to save/spend their meager extra money on anything else. they are poor, and regardless of what material possesions they have, lead a very difficult life. phone or not.
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It's almost as funny as the right and right-wing media's hysteria towards the Clintons, and most of Obama's initiatives, isn't it?
Because so many of the services that were once provided by live humans in local offices have been replaced by labarynthian voice mail systems or "via the website." Add to thisthe disappearance of public pay phones and poor public transit ( library access) and it is clear that a smart phone or phone/ computer combo is a necessity.
My dentist told me I had to go to an oral surgeon.
I thought I'd be paying 3 to 4 thousand dollars. Nope, only 350 dollars.
I couldn't figure out why it was so cheap and then it dawned on me. The government hasn't taken over the dental industry.
I thought I'd be paying 3 to 4 thousand dollars. Nope, only 350 dollars.
I couldn't figure out why it was so cheap and then it dawned on me. The government hasn't taken over the dental industry.
Man, you are lucky. I can't walk through the door of my oral surgeon for less than a couple of hundred dollars. If I need some procedure done on my gums, I'd be paying thousands if it weren't for my dental insurance.
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You'll lose any intended audience trying to argue Dental Surgery is Cheap.
At least any and everyone familiar with Dentistry.
At least any and everyone familiar with Dentistry.
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Sounds like a variant of the "Post Hoc" fallacy to me.
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Democrat Kathryn Allen, MD has already raised almost $450,000 from almost 12,000 donors to run against Mr. Chaffetz. Her FEC filing was less than 1 week ago.
Perhaps the arrogance, condescension and ideology of Mr. Chaffetz, and the way he viciously chairs political witch hunts instead of objective oversight, have impressed his constituents, albeit unfavorably.
Perhaps the arrogance, condescension and ideology of Mr. Chaffetz, and the way he viciously chairs political witch hunts instead of objective oversight, have impressed his constituents, albeit unfavorably.
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Trump Care = No Care = GOP says, "Who cares?"
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If a family could get full health coverage for the cost of a cell phone bill, they would jump at that in an instant.
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Maybe the people of Utah should think about taking Mr. Chaffetz's federal salary away. The guy sounds pretty smug, presumptuous and arrogant!
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That Republican representative has set his salary and health insurance himself on our dime. He is the last one to lecture anyone about personal responsibility.
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My new iphone that I love that I got this year was slightly used and cost between 3 and 4 hundred dollars. I could not get much healthcare for that.
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During intermission at a New York Philharmonic concert last week, I was approached by a very pleasant individual who asked me if I was interested in an App which would enable me to pre-order a drink which would be waiting for me when I arrived. I responded, truthfully, by telling her that I do not drink. She then went on to inform me that I could use the App to purchase tickets on my cell phone. I then had to explain to her that, while I have been thinking for maybe the past 25 years about perhaps eventually getting a cell phone, I have yet to convince myself that I actually want one or need one. I would get fewer automated scam-calls on a cell phone than I get on my land phone, but they still would not be eliminated entirely. I often quip that I am the last person in the Known Universe without a cell phone. I rather like that.
The views of Jason Chaffetz are not in the least bit surprising. What continues to amaze me is that the Hunters - and many others in the same boat - voted for Chaffetz.
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This is the same person who said " I could not look at my daughter in the eyes if I continue to support Trump."
Well, maybe he does not sit at the dinner table with his family or he was simply lying and sold his soul like his president did.
Asking him to make a choice : His cell phone ( not his, provided by tax payers )
or his free " golden " health care, again, provided by tax payers.
What I like to know is this : Does he lie to his family too?
Well, maybe he does not sit at the dinner table with his family or he was simply lying and sold his soul like his president did.
Asking him to make a choice : His cell phone ( not his, provided by tax payers )
or his free " golden " health care, again, provided by tax payers.
What I like to know is this : Does he lie to his family too?
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As usual, the Republicans are engaging in their phony-baloney make believe game that they're going to make health care more affordable but they are doing NOTHING to make doctors, hospitals, and device and drug companies make care reasonable. In August of 2013 this paper ran a story about a man who facing a hip replacement without insurance costing $100,000 in 2007 in the US instead went to Belgium where the entire business, plane fare included, plus a week's rehab was about $13,700. Same prosthesis, same medical techniques, same quality of care.
A friend's wife who faced the same situation went to Guatemala a few years ago and with 6 weeks rehab the whole thing, same care, same prosthesis, was about $15,000. In the USA, the prosthesis alone costs $13,500, the surgeon's fee is about $25,000, and then there's the surgeon's assistant, anesthesia, operating room fees, ortho ward fees, and they send you home in 48 hours...and it all costs as much as $150,000!
But the Republicans aren't addressing THAT as the REAL reason costs are so high. Why should they? They mumble about "competition" but how is a scared, sick, hurting patient supposed to "shop around" for the most competitive hospitals, surgeons, anesthesiologists, etc? "Oh, but the insurance companies will do it!" Really? Why, when they can just charge higher premiums? NONE of them want the GOP to cut all their fantastically high fees even if our care in the USA is FAR from the best.
Just another Trumpian scam.
A friend's wife who faced the same situation went to Guatemala a few years ago and with 6 weeks rehab the whole thing, same care, same prosthesis, was about $15,000. In the USA, the prosthesis alone costs $13,500, the surgeon's fee is about $25,000, and then there's the surgeon's assistant, anesthesia, operating room fees, ortho ward fees, and they send you home in 48 hours...and it all costs as much as $150,000!
But the Republicans aren't addressing THAT as the REAL reason costs are so high. Why should they? They mumble about "competition" but how is a scared, sick, hurting patient supposed to "shop around" for the most competitive hospitals, surgeons, anesthesiologists, etc? "Oh, but the insurance companies will do it!" Really? Why, when they can just charge higher premiums? NONE of them want the GOP to cut all their fantastically high fees even if our care in the USA is FAR from the best.
Just another Trumpian scam.
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If everyone were accorded President Trump's exemption from evidence, the Hunter family could be told that if they turn in their phone to Representative
Chaffetz's office they will be given a voucher that will enable them to get affordable health insurance. Just bring along the certificate that shows they voted for him.
And if by chance they ignored Mr. Romney's warning and voted for Mr. Trump then their health care worries are almost over. The night before the Nevada
caucuses Mr. Trump proclaimed: “Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced. We’re going to have a strong country again and Obamacare has to go. We can’t afford it, it’s no good. You’re going to end up with great health care for a fraction of the price and that’s gonna take place immediately after we go in. Okay? Immediately. Fast. Quick.”
And Quick looks to mean in the next two weeks! So hang in there Hunters. Then with the Trump tax reform coming soon after you might be able to buy back your phone from Mr. Chaffetz at a fraction of the price.
Forget Romney, it's not a con.
Chaffetz's office they will be given a voucher that will enable them to get affordable health insurance. Just bring along the certificate that shows they voted for him.
And if by chance they ignored Mr. Romney's warning and voted for Mr. Trump then their health care worries are almost over. The night before the Nevada
caucuses Mr. Trump proclaimed: “Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced. We’re going to have a strong country again and Obamacare has to go. We can’t afford it, it’s no good. You’re going to end up with great health care for a fraction of the price and that’s gonna take place immediately after we go in. Okay? Immediately. Fast. Quick.”
And Quick looks to mean in the next two weeks! So hang in there Hunters. Then with the Trump tax reform coming soon after you might be able to buy back your phone from Mr. Chaffetz at a fraction of the price.
Forget Romney, it's not a con.
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Number 1: you don't need an expensive phone. There are many really good smartphones available in the range of 50 to less than 150 dollars.
RULE TWO: You don't need an expensive plan. One phone I use costs 30 per month. I have another phone where the lowest available plan is 10, but I pay a higher rate of 15 for more minutes.
Rule THREE: dump the contract. First, you pay more. Second, they add charges, sneaking this and that on there to get more money.
Rule FOUR: If you want a big plan at a low cost, form a group. If your group isn't your family, then get two or three relatives in together (as long as everyone is capable of making the base payment). This would save 20 to 40 dollars or more, since group plans have unlimited data and talk at 40/month.
Rule Five: get an unlocked GSM phone so you can switch carriers without buying a new one or call your provider and asked to get you phone unlocked.
This is a big issue with me. I got overcharged for years by T-Mobile till I finally went off contract for 30/month. Now, T-Mobile is offering monthly plans with no surprises, no extra charges. Last year, we took a trip to Europe and needed a low cost per minute international phone, so we signed up again for T-Mobile. We paid once before we left, once while we were away and they wanted to add another month after we cancelled on our return (we were gone 3 weeks).
More information about low cost phones can be found at http://olneyreporter.com/CELL-PHONES/cell-phones.html
RULE TWO: You don't need an expensive plan. One phone I use costs 30 per month. I have another phone where the lowest available plan is 10, but I pay a higher rate of 15 for more minutes.
Rule THREE: dump the contract. First, you pay more. Second, they add charges, sneaking this and that on there to get more money.
Rule FOUR: If you want a big plan at a low cost, form a group. If your group isn't your family, then get two or three relatives in together (as long as everyone is capable of making the base payment). This would save 20 to 40 dollars or more, since group plans have unlimited data and talk at 40/month.
Rule Five: get an unlocked GSM phone so you can switch carriers without buying a new one or call your provider and asked to get you phone unlocked.
This is a big issue with me. I got overcharged for years by T-Mobile till I finally went off contract for 30/month. Now, T-Mobile is offering monthly plans with no surprises, no extra charges. Last year, we took a trip to Europe and needed a low cost per minute international phone, so we signed up again for T-Mobile. We paid once before we left, once while we were away and they wanted to add another month after we cancelled on our return (we were gone 3 weeks).
More information about low cost phones can be found at http://olneyreporter.com/CELL-PHONES/cell-phones.html
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We americans are the biggest suckers and fools on the planet. single payer for all including those that "represent" us in congress. What a joke this administration has turned out to be...
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So which political protest group told all of their people to comment "let them eat cake"? Can't you compose your own comment?
So much information these days is only available via internet. What is a person supposed to do if they don't have a home computer and internet service? A smart phone has become the computer of choice for many people and as a bonus it also works as a phone. Our cell plan costs less than our land line.
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Library. You can get books there too, which the hunters would benefit drom.
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I have an idea. Why doesn't the government subsidize people's cell phone costs and then let everyone chip in to help pay for their own healthcare? Sounds like the cheaper alternative to me.
But wait...I forgot. Healthcare is a 'right'...but no one wants to pay for it.
But wait...I forgot. Healthcare is a 'right'...but no one wants to pay for it.
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I'd like to suggest that Congresmafn Chaffetz get by without his gold plated, taxpayer paid for health insurance and start paying for it out of his own pocket
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But this gutless idiot fails to tell us about his free health car insurance for life.
Keep's reminding us why the Secret Service didn't want, only place for him in Congress.
..the smallest minds and the selfishest souls and the cowardliest hearts that God makes.
- Letter fragment, 1891 Mark Twain on Congress still hold true, maybe worst
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
Keep's reminding us why the Secret Service didn't want, only place for him in Congress.
..the smallest minds and the selfishest souls and the cowardliest hearts that God makes.
- Letter fragment, 1891 Mark Twain on Congress still hold true, maybe worst
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
"They consider themselves conservative and think that health care should not be a federally mandated purchase, but should be left to individual states."
Conservatives, especially Christian ones, should re-read the parable of the Good Samaritan. It's not just a question about what happens to me and my family: it is also the poor in Idaho and Mississippi.
Conservatives, especially Christian ones, should re-read the parable of the Good Samaritan. It's not just a question about what happens to me and my family: it is also the poor in Idaho and Mississippi.
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Stupidity, as manifested by Chaffetz' iPhone remark and others in Congress who lack empathy for, and disregard their individual constituents, don't deserve to be there.
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It's been mentioned by others but it bears repeating. Chaffetz said "iPhone," not "cell phone." Many people here are generalizing it and that's a mistake.
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It's called "living within your means." If you can't feed your children you probably ought not have an $800 phone when a $50 or $100 one will do. Chaffetz (and I am by no means a fan of his) is right from the perspective of making good choices with limited resources. What are your priorities?
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I can afford an iPhone but I bought a Samsung S4 on eBay for less than $200, and there are much cheaper phones that will do everything you need it to do.
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It's called "living within your means." If you can't feed your children you probably ought not have an $800 phone when a $50 or $100 one will do. Chaffetz (and I am by no means a fan of his) is right from the perspective of making good choices with limited resources. What are your priorities?
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I can afford an iPhone but I bought a Samsung S4 on eBay for less than $200, and there are much cheaper phones that will do everything you need it to do.
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You (and the Congressman) know "Well Off" Poor People I don't Citizen and I grew up Poor my entire Child-hood.
I don't know One Person (when I go back home to visit) that owns an $800, $700, $600, or even $500 IPhone.
And I'm including the Few folks I still know (not in jail or dead) that have jobs where they don't Pay Taxes.
Since there's so many of them out there, why not add that to the Health Insurance Bill(s),
"Poor-Working Poor Income Levels-Owning $800 IPhones have to relinquish them in order to qualify for _____ towards their Health Insurance."
I don't know One Person (when I go back home to visit) that owns an $800, $700, $600, or even $500 IPhone.
And I'm including the Few folks I still know (not in jail or dead) that have jobs where they don't Pay Taxes.
Since there's so many of them out there, why not add that to the Health Insurance Bill(s),
"Poor-Working Poor Income Levels-Owning $800 IPhones have to relinquish them in order to qualify for _____ towards their Health Insurance."
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Why do republicans willingly push to limit free choice in private matters but consistently push for constitution al freedom for questionable values? Examples are their preference of right wing Christianity over freedom of religion for all, their insistence for freedom of speech for right wing extremists but not for atheists or flag burners, free choice for medical care for those who are affluent and male, but not for ave. Americans and women in particular. I could go on but you get the idea. We se it in their views on education, gun safety, and right to vote issues.
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Oh come on. I have a factory refurbished phone that was top of the line--last year--and cost me around $100. My MNVO unlimited service is $30/month. (Also, how does someone making $1300/month have a $400 car payment?) Maybe someone needs to teach these folks how to stretch their dollars; too bad if they feel insulted.
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I have a flip phone for emergencies, a home phone and a computer. For myself..that is all I need...and I can easily afford more. Chavez makes a good point on some level, but... who are we to judge what someone else truly needs re: phones. With that being said, I am totally in support of Obamacare and as much healthcare as needed to all. In truth, I believe Chavez idea is mixing apples w not even oranges, but frogs or whatever. Shame on him and all republicans.
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Chaffetz wins an award for being, consistently, the most arrogant, out-of-touch Representative in Congress. Of course, he has free gold-plated health insurance, and can look forward to a pension for his fine work insulting the very people he allegedly "serves."
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The surprise to me from this story is that Chaffetz's callous statement was callous for the opposite reason I had suspected. In asking his supporters (or whomever he was addressing) to forfeit a 'luxury' item in place of health care, he's actually picking on an essential item, yet no less essential than health care. Why are Republicans choosing to make their supporters pick between bad and worse options? Who genuinely believes a "free market" for insurance will improve this nation's health care, or a "free market" for phone service will lead to savings for the consumer (or employees of the phone company, for that matter)?
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Wait, didn't the SSA just say that owning a smart phone account for double authentication was really important?
Oh no, my mistake, that was Medicare, Medicaid, maybe Food Stamps, or was it VA benefits? I'm not sure??? I'm so confused, it's the paperless requirement that screws with my mind.
Oh no, my mistake, that was Medicare, Medicaid, maybe Food Stamps, or was it VA benefits? I'm not sure??? I'm so confused, it's the paperless requirement that screws with my mind.
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A woman I worked with in Washington, D.C. was just getting back from attending a conference out of town. She flew into Reagan National Airport, and it was pouring rain. She hailed a cab, and the cab pulled over to pick her up. Just as she was going to get in, she felt a man push her aside and get in the cab in her place. She was left standing in the rain, while the cab sped off
The next day in the office she said the face of the guy who pushed her looked familiar, and she wondered if he might be a congressman she saw on the news. Members of Congress often use National Airport, as it's closest to the Capitol. She looked him up in the Congressional Directory.
She was right; it was a congressman. It was Jason Chaffetz.
Heckuva guy, huh?
The next day in the office she said the face of the guy who pushed her looked familiar, and she wondered if he might be a congressman she saw on the news. Members of Congress often use National Airport, as it's closest to the Capitol. She looked him up in the Congressional Directory.
She was right; it was a congressman. It was Jason Chaffetz.
Heckuva guy, huh?
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As Jason Chaffetz and his buds might rationalize their stance, Anthony Hunter erred by choosing to labor at a call center instead of working as a radiologist, and Shari Hunter elected to be a stay-at-home mom instead of becoming a hedge fund manager.
There are consequences, you see, for our decisions. Right, Jason?
There are consequences, you see, for our decisions. Right, Jason?
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Wait - so there are so called "allies" of the family that are more well off Mormons willing to do what exactly? Give them the help that their government isn't expected to? Does the Mormon church help them with health care? I'm confused. I guess if this family voted for their representative that posits that they should choose between a phone and healthcare, then they agree with him.
I ain't ever moving to Utah.
I ain't ever moving to Utah.
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And while we're at it, lets have an income barrier for having children-yes I really want the Federal Government to tell me that I should allocate my earnings as follows:
1. Earn enough to pay some federal income taxes
2. Earn enough to pay for my own health care
3. Earn enough to pay for my cell phone
4. Earn enough to have children
And of course, the most important one is #1 'cause we need to be sure we can fund the wall, more military and most important, big tax breaks for the wealthy.
I feel like I want to go up to the entire Republican Congress and say "you know we can hear what you are saying-we are standing right here while you are talking about us as if we were not"
1. Earn enough to pay some federal income taxes
2. Earn enough to pay for my own health care
3. Earn enough to pay for my cell phone
4. Earn enough to have children
And of course, the most important one is #1 'cause we need to be sure we can fund the wall, more military and most important, big tax breaks for the wealthy.
I feel like I want to go up to the entire Republican Congress and say "you know we can hear what you are saying-we are standing right here while you are talking about us as if we were not"
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The income differential between Congressional members and the voting public is a large chasm. Chaffetz and his cronies in Congress earn alot more money than many like the Hunter's in Utah and around the country. There is no relationship there. These Congressmen and Senators are out of touch with the voters essentially. How else could that fool Chaffetz compare health insurance and a cellphone. These Representatives need to get acquainted with the national cost of living and income levels about them. And, stop ramming their party's principals down the throats of the constituents rather than providing for their needs.
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Talk about ironic. The greedy are just so callous and unthinking. Here's an idea, how about the Republicans tweek this philosophy a bit and apply it to our federal budget. Health Care First.
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Just another example of everyone over-parsing words from politicians they despise in order to get 'gotcha' points. I believe his statement inferred that we need more market oriented decisions in choosing how we spend money on healthcare. That's all. Sheesh...
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Jason Chaffetz's comment refers to the cost of a premium iPhone, not to cell phone service in general. If you replace iPhone with BMW, it doesn't mean people shouldn't drive. It means get a cheaper replacement.
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How on earth the white American lower classes allowed themselves to become a zombie voter bloc that Republicans can rely upon to vote against their own self interest again and again is the fodder for untold numbers of PhD theses, but the killing fields of trumpian health policy may finally give the Democrats a way in to detox these folks from their political addiction. If the Democrats don't screw it up, of course. Bernie would have won.
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Please stop with the "Bernie would have won." He was never attacked by either side. He had nothing but a stump speech and a bunch of slogans he had no idea how he would accomplish. It is tiresome and only makes me loath him more for turning a lot of first time voters against Hillary, giving the election to Trump. Those of you who withheld your votes need to stoop in shame every time you hear of a family divided by the immigration policy, or a family losing its health coverage, or see this abomination spouting lie after lie. This is on you. So stop with the Bernie nonsense. He knew what he was doing long after it was certain he did not have the election, and will go down in history as the man who gave us Trump
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Jason Chaffetz offers the same sleight-of-hand to his district as he earlier offered to the country. Mysteriously a few hundred dollars spent on an iPhone is the equivalent of thousands of dollars for health insurance and deductibles. Cutting the former does not in itself produce the latter. At the national level he offers Hillary Clinton's mis-statements on Benghazi as equal to or worse than Russian intervention in an election or penetration of the Trump administration. From the information provided it appears some of the families involved have made questionable or inexplicable financial choices, none of which would create an either/or choice between health care and diapers or phone service. Even more difficult to understand is the Hunters' vote for Chaffetz, a self-important simpleton dedicated to protecting and promoting the interests of his political patrons rather than those of his constituents. His disdain for those who disagree with him was underscored by dismissive stance in a recent town hall as well as by the inane comment reported here. But the real story is that people earning $1300 or $1800 monthly will be victims of of the health insurance charade promoted by the Republicans. At a time when these cases demonstrate why we should be moving to a single-payer health system that we waste time addressing some buffoon's enthusiasm for blaming the victims is indicative of the moral corruption that has come to pervade Republican politics. And I am a Republican.
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A couple earning $13/hour chooses to have three children.
The kids are supported by Medicaid, Food Stamps, Tax Deductions, and the option of public schools.
I wonder how this fits with conservative theory - it's OK for the taxpayers to support kids people can't afford as long as they are raised Republican?
Just musing...not concluding
The kids are supported by Medicaid, Food Stamps, Tax Deductions, and the option of public schools.
I wonder how this fits with conservative theory - it's OK for the taxpayers to support kids people can't afford as long as they are raised Republican?
Just musing...not concluding
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So only the rich should be able to have families? Nice vision of society you've got there.
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The husband was working toward a degree/certification for a better job. Another woman had hurt her back at work and therefore lost her job. Stuff happens, situations change. Let's not be so judgmental.
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This would be the same Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah who hopes to make health insurance inaccessible to Shari Hunter and her husband, Anthony....tough love or careless contempt for his constituents?
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An amazingly elitist remark. Maybe Chaffetz should work in the real economy, instead of the fake economy of congressional perks, self enrichment, and pompous behavior.
And for these people... they sound like rope-a-doped republicans. Now they know it's a party only for the rich.
And for these people... they sound like rope-a-doped republicans. Now they know it's a party only for the rich.
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Mr. Chaffetz is a man so lacking most natural gifts that he should no longer feel obliged to routinely provide additional proof.
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Another false equivalency offered by the cynical RWA nihilists - now at home in the WH and in Congress. Another inflammatory statement to promote internal conflicts. Divide, conquer, destroy!
If I took their bait I'd apply the Representative's logic and his Christian religion against his theme.
In that light I'd say anything non-essential the rich buy is irresponsible given the scope of our Nation's less fortunate. I'd say it's highly irresponsible to resist taking a farthing from a well lined pocket when the need for it is obvious. I'd say it is irresponsible that those same pockets are used to support narcissistic extravagance over the health of the Nation.
A logical (and in my view good) tit-for-tat. But it would be counter productive and lost in a storm of defensiveness, anger, and rhetorical counterpoints.
Here is my point: we could be infuriating one anther while the nihilists in power wreak their havoc or we can focus on holding our elected officials accountable to real facts and real solutions.
The facts are: hardly best-of-breed we rank poorly on healthcare. We cover fewer Citizens and have poorer statistics while spending MUCH more than about any developed Country.
The plan the R's introduced does NOT improve our standing. Probably makes it worse.
Why should we accept this?
Demand we move to #1! Accept nothing less! And any discussion not tightly tied to that goal – like judgmental ramblings about people and their lifestyles – are superfluous.
If I took their bait I'd apply the Representative's logic and his Christian religion against his theme.
In that light I'd say anything non-essential the rich buy is irresponsible given the scope of our Nation's less fortunate. I'd say it's highly irresponsible to resist taking a farthing from a well lined pocket when the need for it is obvious. I'd say it is irresponsible that those same pockets are used to support narcissistic extravagance over the health of the Nation.
A logical (and in my view good) tit-for-tat. But it would be counter productive and lost in a storm of defensiveness, anger, and rhetorical counterpoints.
Here is my point: we could be infuriating one anther while the nihilists in power wreak their havoc or we can focus on holding our elected officials accountable to real facts and real solutions.
The facts are: hardly best-of-breed we rank poorly on healthcare. We cover fewer Citizens and have poorer statistics while spending MUCH more than about any developed Country.
The plan the R's introduced does NOT improve our standing. Probably makes it worse.
Why should we accept this?
Demand we move to #1! Accept nothing less! And any discussion not tightly tied to that goal – like judgmental ramblings about people and their lifestyles – are superfluous.
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I wonder how much money Mr. Chaffetz's constituents give to the Mormon church every year? Probably at least 10% if they want to be in good standing. Maybe he should have suggested they stop their tithes and offerings to pay for health insurance (not saying they should have to, but surely it's a lot bigger chunk of money), but I'm sure we won't be hearing that suggestion any time soon.
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Reminds me of the bill put forth in Maine recently that would bar people from using food stamps to buy soda and candy. Let's address the root causes of inequality in this country instead of patronizingly telling people - some of the most vulnerable people in our communities - what they shouldn't or can't buy.
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I think that, as has been demonstrated in many aspects of federal subsidies, if the taxpayers give you money they have the right to tell you how you can use it. The federal government tells states all the time what they can and can't do with the money it gives them. It only makes sense to me.
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You can view it as patronizing but I see it as being responsible. If you're using food stamps or WIC money you shouldn't be spending it on soda and candy, anymore than you should be buying beer and cigarettes with it.
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You can view it as patronizing but I see it as being responsible. If you're using food stamps or WIC money you shouldn't be spending it on soda and candy, anymore than you should be buying beer and cigarettes with it.
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Thank you, Galfrido, for reminding me to bring up the point that consumer purchases are not the result of "rational choice." The entire set of axioms put forth as justification for "Market Economies" and the "Market Theory of Value" are nothing but a crock of self-righteous pieties which reduce to utter nonsense.
Sorry, not with you on this one. Making junk food eligible for food stamps is just another giant gift to Big Agriculture. Of course, in a perfect world, everybody would be educated enough to make good nutrition choices on their own, but big neon "Off limits" stickers will work in the short term. Use the savings to double the stamps' buying power for fresh fruits and vegetables.
How to fix the health insurance? It's mighty easy, actually, if we can get a law stating that ALL members of Congress are only entitled to the same health insurance as that which is available to the average American household. Make it happen and they'll find a smart solution in no time, I guarantee it! This may sound a naive or nuts, but actually I think it's very reasonable and practical!
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They get their healthcare through the ACA, it is required by law as of 2014. Before that, they got their health care via the Federal Employees Health Benefits program, the same plan that average Federal employees have. I am a supporter of single payer, universal coverage for all. It does our side no good to keep repeating this old saw about MOCs getting super-duper Gov't supplied healthcare. There are many perks that MOCs receive that the rest of us don't, but fancy, free healthcare is not one of them.
Deplorable. When Hillary used this term, the attribution was to blue collar uneducated white racist voters. As I imagine it now, however, its the politicians who are their representatives, ie Chaffetz. How can someone reach that level of success yet be so deplorable in their regard for their constituents? As a physician, I can't imagine having the contempt the republicans must feel for those they care for for those I care for. Isn't there an oath or some honor among these people?
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After hearing Chaffetz's absurd comment equating health care with discretionary spending I sent $50 to Dr. Kathryn Allen's campaign, through her Crowdfunding link:
https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/181376/the-us-congress-needs-a-caring...
I humbly suggest those who loathe Republicans for being the soulless hypocrites they are do the same.
https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/181376/the-us-congress-needs-a-caring...
I humbly suggest those who loathe Republicans for being the soulless hypocrites they are do the same.
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I will as well$50.
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People could have judged Chaffetz by the way he treated Hillary Clinton or Cecile Richards in Congressional hearings.
People could have judged Trump by the way he lied about Obama's birth certificate and known the kind of man he was.
People seem to be surprised that these guys with no morals treat *them* just like everyone else.
People could have judged Trump by the way he lied about Obama's birth certificate and known the kind of man he was.
People seem to be surprised that these guys with no morals treat *them* just like everyone else.
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President Obama made a comment that was similar to that of Congress Chaffetz when discussing Obamacare. People who are healthy may not prioritize health insurance at the expense of what they consider important or desirable. What is interesting to me is that there is no attempt to show that in both parties there are similarities in certain viewpoints. If Mr. Chaffetz sounded callous, I would urge a little research concerning Mr. Obama's comments. I wonder if both men would be similarly condemned for their positions.
The difference is Obama did something about it.
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This a false equivalence. Obama was speaking to the importance of having healthy people, regardless of income, be insured. That is how it is possible to insure everyone at a reasonable fee. It is a simple fact of the way that insurance works. Beating up the poor is a whole different deal.
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Obama did it. I know your are, but what am I. I am rubber, you are glue --- reality bounces off me and sticks to you. Praise JEESUS.
What an unfeeling, arrogant creep. I hope his constituents recognize how he demeans them and voted him out
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Chaffetz is exactly the type of politician that got the Hunters into trouble. He votes for laws that limits the wages of the Hunters. They he votes for laws that keeps the necessities of life (yes, that includes cell phone service) high. Then he blames them for not getting by. Mr. Chaffetz, it you only stop cutting off the shoe strings that people can use to pull themselves up they could actually live decently, Instead, you are a doing the work of your corporate masters when you are not following the cruel policies of your party. The problem is not the Hunters who work very hard, live a thrifty life, and follow the principles of God.
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I hope that the Public Library in the Hunter's community still stands, has funding.
I would like to suggest to Mr. Hunter that he will improve the results of his information searching, with his smartphone, if he frequently visits the library and asks the Reference Librarian for advice on how to find information.. It is an enhancement, not a substitute, to the smartphone-only approach.
For example, when you can't find information like an affordable insurance plan under the ACA, take it to the librarian, your information professional. Same on studying for certifications.. Especially, what information sources to work with, to study best, for the exam.
Think of a reference librarian like a car mechanic -- someone you go to, because they have specialized training that allows them to approach an issue you are facing, and work in it more effectively, than you could alone (although theoretically, you could fix that car, yourself.) Talking to your Reference Librarian is like getting time to talk one on one with a college professor, but you don't have to be enrolled in college and still you can have those conversations.
The smartphone gives you the convenience of being able to take what you have learned from conversations with your Librarian, and implement your new knowledge on the method of searching and evaluating information, on the fly. Without the conversations with your librarian, you're got the tool, but not the manual. Thank you and good luck.
I would like to suggest to Mr. Hunter that he will improve the results of his information searching, with his smartphone, if he frequently visits the library and asks the Reference Librarian for advice on how to find information.. It is an enhancement, not a substitute, to the smartphone-only approach.
For example, when you can't find information like an affordable insurance plan under the ACA, take it to the librarian, your information professional. Same on studying for certifications.. Especially, what information sources to work with, to study best, for the exam.
Think of a reference librarian like a car mechanic -- someone you go to, because they have specialized training that allows them to approach an issue you are facing, and work in it more effectively, than you could alone (although theoretically, you could fix that car, yourself.) Talking to your Reference Librarian is like getting time to talk one on one with a college professor, but you don't have to be enrolled in college and still you can have those conversations.
The smartphone gives you the convenience of being able to take what you have learned from conversations with your Librarian, and implement your new knowledge on the method of searching and evaluating information, on the fly. Without the conversations with your librarian, you're got the tool, but not the manual. Thank you and good luck.
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Well, often, cell phones are the poor's only link to technology and the world ---- I'd much rather my tax dollars go to providing cell phones for the poor than paying for some of Mr. Chaffetz's perks.
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People complaining about Chaffetz's remarks are being disingenuous here. Chaffetz said "IPHONE", i.e., the impedimeny of a high end (read expensive) cell phone. He did not simply say cell phone, i.e., an inexpensive phone that just does the basic job of keeping people in touch or calling 911. I agree with Chaffetz that WE taxpayers should not subsidize people who accept welfare so they can purchase IPHONES, Cable TV, Gas Guzzling SUVs. I've personally dealt with welfare recipients flauting all three of these NON-Essentials while WE taxpayers cover food, housing and medical care. It's not right. The basics come first including a BASIC Cell Phone - not an IPHONE.
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In common usage, iPhone references smartphones of any type. One of the couples in the article was using an old battered Samsung. If we take your comments to their logical conclusion, then why should we average taxpayers subsidize the wealthy by allowing them to get billions of dollars in tax breaks, as proposed in the new Repub budget proposal? In other developed countries, healthcare is seen as a right to be paid for by society as a whole. In the U.S., the vast majority of us give up this universal right in order to support the few among us who earn the highest incomes. How's that for fair?
Try math. Take the difference between a basic everything and a high end everything that a poor family has, and see whether that adds up to the cost of health care in Utah. There are only so many places to trim a household budget.
Here here. WE the CHOSEN people do DECLARE that these pesky poor people REPENT. 2 cans connected with string works well enough. FREE DUMB is just another word for nothing left to steal.
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"They consider themselves conservative and think that health care should not be a federally mandated purchase, but should be left to individual states."
.. Well that makes about as much sense as Mormonism..
.. Well that makes about as much sense as Mormonism..
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A despicable human.
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Today's cellphone is the equivalent of yesterday's landline. And like water, electricity/natural gas/propane gas, a necessary monthly expense(s).
Perhaps he should go one step further with his recommendation--"Hell, give up those luxuries of life e.g. A hot shower, clean clothes, a warm house/apartment, and take care of that health insurance policy!"
Perhaps he should go one step further with his recommendation--"Hell, give up those luxuries of life e.g. A hot shower, clean clothes, a warm house/apartment, and take care of that health insurance policy!"
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Big deal. Obama said the same: “I guess what I would say is if you looked at that person’s budget and you looked at their cable bill, their telephone … cell phone bill, other things that they’re spending on, it may turn out that they just haven’t prioritized health care because right now everybody is healthy."
Why the outrage now?
Why the outrage now?
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I can't believe the Times devoted this much ink to this ridiculous, though incredibly cruel, statement made by a neocon. Next he'll tell people that they should choose between a refrigerator and health care. Remember when Fox News reported that there wasn't much poverty in this country because 90-something percent of households had refrigerators? Anyway Trump wants to build up his nuclear arsenal so he and Putin can buddy up and attack their adversaries and they'll attack us back, right here at home. That'll make health care irrelevant.
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If Chaffetz wants to take away the ACA for me, then why should I subsidize his health insurance with my tax dollars? I'm self employed and bust my backside to make 100k per year. This guy makes 174k, with benefits. He's got a lot of nerve. He's nursing on the government teat and the middle class pays him to insult them.
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Jason. Jason, Jason. Stop dreaming about how you would have destroyed Hillary and spend some time thinking about your constituents.
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Well, we know for sure that Mr. Chaffetz has stopped thinking about having to look his 15 year old daughter in the eye if he supported Trump, referring to Trump's famous "p***y" grabbing remarks. He is on board with Trump as President as all of the Republicans in the House of Representatives are.
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Having a cell phone is having a phone, many, if not most, people don't have land lines (and land lines are not free). Is mr Chaffez suggesting poor people should not have phones?
In today's world, you can't get a job without a phone, or if you are working, you can't do your job without a phone. There aren't even pay phones around anymore.
Someone does not need the most expensive phone, but in 21sr century America to criticize the poor because they "choose" to have a phone sums up the Republican Party: they don't give a damn about the poor. I hope the "conservative" Hunter family who voted for Chaffez take note and don't vote for him again.
In today's world, you can't get a job without a phone, or if you are working, you can't do your job without a phone. There aren't even pay phones around anymore.
Someone does not need the most expensive phone, but in 21sr century America to criticize the poor because they "choose" to have a phone sums up the Republican Party: they don't give a damn about the poor. I hope the "conservative" Hunter family who voted for Chaffez take note and don't vote for him again.
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Many people in Red States vote Republican because that's what they always do. Most of them are probably voting against their own interests and yet they have it in their heads that's it's the right choice for them. For those enjoying the benefits of Federal programs that are being reduced or eliminated, suffer the consequences of your decision. If you voted for Chaffetz and you're not happy, well...
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Are those in agreement with the GOP on this serious? How much is quality health care for a family of four? They could rid themselves of their phone, and their home, and still not afford a quality health care plan. The average cost for an employer sponsored plan for a family of 4 is now $25,000, the employee paid portion of that is $11,000. So according to the GOP and Chaffetz, the cost of the phone at $100 a month will buy families health insurance?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2016/05/24/annual-healthcare-cost-...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2016/05/24/annual-healthcare-cost-...
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Cell phones save lives mr. chaffetz, unlike TRUMPCARE!
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This family's biggest expense unfortunately will be their endless supply of children urged on them by the Mormons. So if Chaffetz is really worried about what people can and cannot afford a kid costs a lot more a month than a phone.
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Well Mr. Chaffetz another option could be maybe one or your greedy, selfish, morally bankrupt, Anti-Christian campaign donors. Could take a tiny fraction of one of the tax cuts he paid you for. And "trickle down" and pay his employees a wage sufficient enough to support a family. But this will only happen when Hell freezes over. Because the rich have been waging class warfare against the poor and middle class since the dawn of time.
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Rep. Chaffetz's comment about buying an iPhone sounds strikingly similar to the comment about the so called "47%-ers" that Mitt Romney complained about during the 2012 presidential campaign.
Again, a complete lack of empathy and total disregard for those who live on the edge everyday. Try finding a job without a phone!
And Chaffetz, try making it through your busy day without your phone, yes, the one the taxpayers are paying for.
Today, a cell phone is a necessity to the point that economically it is a commodity and not a luxury. Somebody needs to bring him into the 21st century.
Again, a complete lack of empathy and total disregard for those who live on the edge everyday. Try finding a job without a phone!
And Chaffetz, try making it through your busy day without your phone, yes, the one the taxpayers are paying for.
Today, a cell phone is a necessity to the point that economically it is a commodity and not a luxury. Somebody needs to bring him into the 21st century.
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Past time to get real Congressman Chaffetz
If Obamacare is in such a "death spiral" and too many with individual policies are having difficulty with co-pays & deductibles, why is the MAIN THRUST of the GOP solution a HUGE tax cut for those making $1 Million or more annually coupled with a limit on benefits to the poor & working poor - approx $137 Billion over the next 10 years. Don't forget the very special tax cut for Insurance companies those of their executives making at least $500,000 yearly
I'm sure those of your constituents who are looking to cut expenses & save every penny so that they can get health care are just jumping with joy over the Tax Cuts the GOP will make especially when Planned Parenthood Clinics, who provide a great deal of care to those who otherwise can't get it are to be shuttered
So, great job with the Trump Ryan Death Warrant for those unfortunates who will receive ACCESS instead of CARE
For the GOP all is well with the world as shown by our new leading indicator for economic success - Membership Costs doubled for Mar a Lago
As the Leader of the GOP Trump is setting the model for how those in government should act; how will you be rewarded for ensuring ACCESS for all with no care for the poor or working poor because your policies will deprive them of the means to use that access
If Obamacare is in such a "death spiral" and too many with individual policies are having difficulty with co-pays & deductibles, why is the MAIN THRUST of the GOP solution a HUGE tax cut for those making $1 Million or more annually coupled with a limit on benefits to the poor & working poor - approx $137 Billion over the next 10 years. Don't forget the very special tax cut for Insurance companies those of their executives making at least $500,000 yearly
I'm sure those of your constituents who are looking to cut expenses & save every penny so that they can get health care are just jumping with joy over the Tax Cuts the GOP will make especially when Planned Parenthood Clinics, who provide a great deal of care to those who otherwise can't get it are to be shuttered
So, great job with the Trump Ryan Death Warrant for those unfortunates who will receive ACCESS instead of CARE
For the GOP all is well with the world as shown by our new leading indicator for economic success - Membership Costs doubled for Mar a Lago
As the Leader of the GOP Trump is setting the model for how those in government should act; how will you be rewarded for ensuring ACCESS for all with no care for the poor or working poor because your policies will deprive them of the means to use that access
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I hope to see these Utah families send Chaffetz packing at the next opportunity. Although he clearly has nothing but scorn for them, it's unlikely they will choose a Democrat over him.
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is he stupid? I got my smart phone for $30 on Black Friday at Best Buy.
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If Mr. Hunter got fired for some reason, and he and his family ended up homeless living in their car, then they would have healthcare.
Then maybe Chaffetz could get Trump to create a new department committed to making sure the poor spend what little money they have appropriately, say in the "company store".
He could also write a new Christmas fairytale about how Santa can only bestow toys upon the children of the rich, and that sometimes mommies and daddies die because they didn't work hard enough to be able to afford healthcare. And Fox News and Breitbart can market it for him.
Then maybe Chaffetz could get Trump to create a new department committed to making sure the poor spend what little money they have appropriately, say in the "company store".
He could also write a new Christmas fairytale about how Santa can only bestow toys upon the children of the rich, and that sometimes mommies and daddies die because they didn't work hard enough to be able to afford healthcare. And Fox News and Breitbart can market it for him.
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Guys,
When you vote for an individual, who is a billionaire, and he does not pay his contractors-you are really going to get stiffed.
Americans made their bed, and now it is time to sleep in it.
When you vote for an individual, who is a billionaire, and he does not pay his contractors-you are really going to get stiffed.
Americans made their bed, and now it is time to sleep in it.
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Likely, he has both, though, right?
And likely, his retort to such a comment would be "well, I can afford both."
Bingo.
Now if that would just sink in to his (and most of Congress') peabrain...
And likely, his retort to such a comment would be "well, I can afford both."
Bingo.
Now if that would just sink in to his (and most of Congress') peabrain...
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Please stop twisting or totally changing the entire story 180 degrees, Jason Did Not say no cell phones!! He said, you don't have to get the latest $700.00 dollar version of iPhone. Hello is anybody Home? Now everyone is going on about how the poor family needs a phone to survive. I'm Poor, but I'm a survivor, so I have a $30 smartphone from Walmart on the Walmart family mobile plan,unlimited talk text and data, $35 bucks a month. $30 each additional line, No contract. You have to find every way possible to stretch those dollars.
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Had that Top Ten Hated Enemy Congressman come up with a prayer recitation proven to cure cancer, the Times would be full of denunciations for his own personal faith much less the suggestion that cancer patients now had a cure that didn't involve the federal government.
Kurt, do you really think the reason people can't buy health insurance is because they're buying too many phones (I doubt that poor people are buying a new IPhone every year).
A family DOES need a phone to survive. Why are you defending a system that would make people choose between seeing a doctor and having a phone?!
A family DOES need a phone to survive. Why are you defending a system that would make people choose between seeing a doctor and having a phone?!
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$700 bucks still won't buy health insurance. People get their phones with a contract, they don't pay the $700 up front, in any event.
It was a poor analogy, and Chaffetz dug his own hole. Now he needs to crawl into it.
It was a poor analogy, and Chaffetz dug his own hole. Now he needs to crawl into it.
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Chaffetz is so out of touch with normal people. He might as well have said "Let them eat cake."
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Actually buying a cell phone is a thing of the past. The current, most affordable way to get a smart phone is to lease and swap. For $25 a month you lease the phone. When the new model comes in you swap. Of corse there is the monthly phone bill.
If you look at the cost of health care it is much higher than the monthly phone bill. You also have to pony up for copay, deductibles and pharmacy charges. The insurance company has you in their grip. They cN dump you for any number of reasons. The phone company wants to keep you.
It would cost a patient several hundred iPhones to pay off a moderate bill for hospitalization after an accident. So Chaffitz flunks basic economics and critical thinking 101.
If you look at the cost of health care it is much higher than the monthly phone bill. You also have to pony up for copay, deductibles and pharmacy charges. The insurance company has you in their grip. They cN dump you for any number of reasons. The phone company wants to keep you.
It would cost a patient several hundred iPhones to pay off a moderate bill for hospitalization after an accident. So Chaffitz flunks basic economics and critical thinking 101.
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The thing to understand about Jason Chaffetz is that he doesn't care about working people. It's not tough love. He's not asking upper middle class white guys why they are making payments on a new truck instead of paying for health insurance. Not that he really cares about them either. Jason Chaffetz cares about one thing and one thing only: supporting the Republican Party establishment. Period.
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I'd like to say Chaffetz is in for a big surprise when it comes time for reelection, but I suspect his party has gerrymandered a nice, safe district for him.
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I'd like to say Chaffetz is in for a big surprise when it comes time for reelection, but I suspect his party has gerrymandered a nice, safe district for him.
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Check out how long a 'president for life' remains in power in some of them afrikan countries,
Don't forget demagoguery - republicans have been manipulating poor/low income white people into voting against their own economic interests for decades.
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Why are they buying diapers? These days with heated homes, hot water, microwaves (you can sterilize cloth in a microwave) and the emphasis on green, IMO NO ONE should ever buy disposable diapers. (I love the one where we have to have a diaper service!) Stupid meaning stupid and not very green. I have one of those pay per minute phones that only does that and messaging, no camera. Phone cost 20$.
O course, I be old, I believe in Universal single payer and the tiny tax on the super rich that paid for it.. The government could probably do better by putting back the 10% luxury tax.
Yes, the welfare Cadillac discussion has raged for at least 50 years. Blame like rain can fall on all. PS I am not in favor of raising the gas tax-- another REGRESSIVE tax. BTW aren't there lots of taxes on phones at least 20 or 30$ per month.. Again regressive taxes. WHOLE STORY please... God or the devil whichever you want is in the details!!!
O course, I be old, I believe in Universal single payer and the tiny tax on the super rich that paid for it.. The government could probably do better by putting back the 10% luxury tax.
Yes, the welfare Cadillac discussion has raged for at least 50 years. Blame like rain can fall on all. PS I am not in favor of raising the gas tax-- another REGRESSIVE tax. BTW aren't there lots of taxes on phones at least 20 or 30$ per month.. Again regressive taxes. WHOLE STORY please... God or the devil whichever you want is in the details!!!
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A lot has been researched and written about cloth vs disposable diapers and environmental impact. Dirty electric generation and use of water in drought areas considered. Do yourself a favor and read up on it.
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Utah voters: send him message with your ote in 2018. Vote for Kathryn Allen. Running to unseat the one who said he didn't have to listen to you.
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Chaffetz sounds like an entitled very well off person. I live near Naples FL where wealthy 'snow birds' say simple mean spirited statements similar to his. Since he represents a republic district he'll most assuredly be re-elected. People vote against their best interests repeatedly. It's sad.
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Medicare for all is the ONLY sustainable solution!!
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At least when you pay $100 a month you're getting something back. When you pay $1000 for a new iPhone you get something back. When you pay +$100 a month or more and don't get anything back, you're wasting your money. (copays, $500 deductibles, etc.) Health Insurance has always been a scam and a con job, just a legal one.
It's time for a health care system like Canada's or Germany's.
It's time for a health care system like Canada's or Germany's.
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In Canada healthcare is a birthright, the federal and provincial governments cooperate to see that healthcare services are delivered. Any government which failed in its role regarding healthcare would be gone at the first possible opportunity.
About this couple, it is said: "They consider themselves conservative and think that health care should not be a federally mandated purchase, but should be left to individual states."
What are these people thinking? It is no wonder so many Americans are in the position they are in. It is so sad, xso wrong, so stupid, it is hard to read these reports.
About this couple, it is said: "They consider themselves conservative and think that health care should not be a federally mandated purchase, but should be left to individual states."
What are these people thinking? It is no wonder so many Americans are in the position they are in. It is so sad, xso wrong, so stupid, it is hard to read these reports.
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All the places where the national governments handle health care are running into serious economic issues.
It would be educational for GBC1 to read up on how even the smart Russians, Cubans, and British had to let so many patients die by starvation or injection simply because they were just too expensive to treat with proved techniques.
That number is ten thousand a month in Britain even these days.
The European countries manage state womb-to-tomb social services by taxing income and sales for a total of roughly two-thirds of average peoples' incomes. The young adults cannot afford having children.
We can expect many of their energetic young people with skills to begin coming here.
If only today's progressives could meet Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, or John Adams with their opinions on the-national-government-control-is-always-best.
It would be educational for GBC1 to read up on how even the smart Russians, Cubans, and British had to let so many patients die by starvation or injection simply because they were just too expensive to treat with proved techniques.
That number is ten thousand a month in Britain even these days.
The European countries manage state womb-to-tomb social services by taxing income and sales for a total of roughly two-thirds of average peoples' incomes. The young adults cannot afford having children.
We can expect many of their energetic young people with skills to begin coming here.
If only today's progressives could meet Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, or John Adams with their opinions on the-national-government-control-is-always-best.
How about if 11 million of us come on over "undocumented" and visit your ER. Would that be OK with you?
We are desperate, we need health care. Open your compassionate arms and let us squat in your country and save our families by using your hospitals, schools, libraries, food supplements. Whatever you provide, we will take.
We are desperate, we need health care. Open your compassionate arms and let us squat in your country and save our families by using your hospitals, schools, libraries, food supplements. Whatever you provide, we will take.
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We'll all be at Woodstock waiting for CSNY and the Stones to get warmed up.
Sounds like Chaffetz is channeling Marie Antoinette. The people have no bread so let them eat cake.
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Only when EVERYONE [incl Congress and ither politicians] has the same coverage will we have a sustainable solution. Medicare for all,
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While smart phones can be expensive, they are also available on plans that are reasonable.
Health care is vastly more expensive, and not available on plans that are reasonable, at least not without Obamacare.
Giving up a smart phone would accomplish nothing toward the goals mentioned.
It would just further cripple lives. A smart phone can do many things, and cheaper than other ways of doing them.
This suggestion is more than just nasty, it is ignorant.
Health care is vastly more expensive, and not available on plans that are reasonable, at least not without Obamacare.
Giving up a smart phone would accomplish nothing toward the goals mentioned.
It would just further cripple lives. A smart phone can do many things, and cheaper than other ways of doing them.
This suggestion is more than just nasty, it is ignorant.
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Exactly Right.
How easily the rich judge the poor.
Always, they find them wanting.
How easily the rich judge the poor.
Always, they find them wanting.
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It is clear that the privileged Representative Chaffetz is out of touch with a large segment of his constituents. Suggesting that they choose between two basic needs -- a telephone and healthcare -- is absurd. Sure, if you're on a tight budget it's unwise to get the most expensive device or even replace it every two years. But everyone needs a cellphone and it's also likely that a fully-loaded device is needed to keep connected for work as well as to family. And in this modern age it is necessary that each family member have some sort of phone to keep in touch. Asking a family to choose between insurance and a phone is like asking them to choose between food and medications. These are all basic necessities of life that should be affordable for everyone.
Why is it that the Democrats seem to understand this and the Republicans do not, and yet the very people who desperately need help obtaining affordable heathcare coverage vote Republican?
Why is it that the Democrats seem to understand this and the Republicans do not, and yet the very people who desperately need help obtaining affordable heathcare coverage vote Republican?
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"They consider themselves conservative and think that health care should not be a federally mandated purchase, but should be left to individual states."
Put another way, they support the Republicans. How sorry are supposed to feel for them?
Maybe when they show some empathy for the rest of the human beings in their country and on the planet — the Hispanic immigrants to came here fleeing the horrors of drug wars; inner city kids struggling with numerous issues; Syrian refugees — the rest of us can relate to their problems.
Chaffetz and his gang certainly won't.
Put another way, they support the Republicans. How sorry are supposed to feel for them?
Maybe when they show some empathy for the rest of the human beings in their country and on the planet — the Hispanic immigrants to came here fleeing the horrors of drug wars; inner city kids struggling with numerous issues; Syrian refugees — the rest of us can relate to their problems.
Chaffetz and his gang certainly won't.
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Very fine and sensitive writing by Jack Healy. I love the photo by Kim Raff of Shari Hunter with the Wasatch Range in the background. It is magnificent, but the well-to-do skiers up there are oblivious to what it takes to live in a Republican stronghold.
All the Hunter's are asking for is health care. Let's provide it for them, and us. We need a national, single-payer health care system that empowers all of us to be able look for a job, independently of health care... and independently of our necessary cell phone contacts with our families.
Let us not be held hostage over health care by the Republican elitists like Trump and Bannon.
All the Hunter's are asking for is health care. Let's provide it for them, and us. We need a national, single-payer health care system that empowers all of us to be able look for a job, independently of health care... and independently of our necessary cell phone contacts with our families.
Let us not be held hostage over health care by the Republican elitists like Trump and Bannon.
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I do not disagree with the general point of this article, but it sounds like Mrs. Hunter stays at home with the kids. The family could save significant money by washing cloth diapers, instead of buying disposable ones.
So the choice for the poor is between keeping telephone communication with their families, law enforcement, prospective employers, current employers, landlords, health care providers and plans, and immigration officials, and an attempt to communicate with the new "plan" that no one knows or understands tied to a new immigration "plan" no one understands...
Or "believing" in Trump and his cohorts, the wealthy he golfs better than and meets with, Lyin Spencer and Fired Flynn and Slick Sessions and Battering Ram Bannon... et al.
And maybe they can keep their appliances, radios and TVs on which they hear right wing propaganda before they sacrifice care for their children and old people, before they qualify for the third world poverty to get help from our obscene wealthy, getting huge new tax cuts under Trump Doesn't Care.
Or "believing" in Trump and his cohorts, the wealthy he golfs better than and meets with, Lyin Spencer and Fired Flynn and Slick Sessions and Battering Ram Bannon... et al.
And maybe they can keep their appliances, radios and TVs on which they hear right wing propaganda before they sacrifice care for their children and old people, before they qualify for the third world poverty to get help from our obscene wealthy, getting huge new tax cuts under Trump Doesn't Care.
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'They chat on his 15 minute breaks" Maybe he should have spent the time studying so he wouldn't blow the test.
"It pains Mr Hunter to be away from the children." His wife could take pics and show him when he gets home.
"he sends her inspirational quotes" He can go home and write them on a white board or on a piece of paper.
"Check whether she should bring home some food for her 18 year old son" Maybe she should teach her son how to cook for himself. Way cheaper.
"sends noted of encouragement when he is gone" She could write notes and put them in his lunch. Much more romantic.
So many excuses of why you need a phone and tons of data. For useless things that people found inexpensive ways of dealing with in the past without a cell phone. Write (on a piece of paper), talk and spend time with your family. So much better.