The "first constitutional conflict" this administration thrust itself into occurred at the moment Trump was sworn in as president. The New York Times knows this because it is suing Trump for being in violation of the Emoluments Clause as all of his businesses continue to accept payments from foreign states.
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The nations selected by President Trump are the same ones identified by Obama for extreme scrutiny for visa applications. That was reported on NPR and Fox News yesterday. I don't know if the mainstream media reported those facts because I don't listen to their lies and fake news. The nations not included in the ban are not merely ones he does business with, but nations the USA does business with and has military relations. So let's report the full story here. Thank you.
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Angela Merkle of Germany explained how the Geneva Conventions obligate us to take in refugees from wars. She apparently did so carefully, using words even Trump could understand.
In addition to his other appalling behavior in a handful of days, he is now a war criminal.
It is time for Congress to throw out Trump and Pence, along with Tillerson. It's scary when the smartest, most rational man in the Cabinet is nicknamed "Mad Dog," but Mad Dog has so far, acted with dignity. Apparently he understands the difference between a war zone and a meeting room. He seems to understand the difference between an ATM and the US Treasury too.
In addition to his other appalling behavior in a handful of days, he is now a war criminal.
It is time for Congress to throw out Trump and Pence, along with Tillerson. It's scary when the smartest, most rational man in the Cabinet is nicknamed "Mad Dog," but Mad Dog has so far, acted with dignity. Apparently he understands the difference between a war zone and a meeting room. He seems to understand the difference between an ATM and the US Treasury too.
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More than any of the myriad moves Mr. Trump has made in his frenetic opening days in office, the immigration order has quickly come to define his emerging presidency as one driven by a desire for decisive action even at the expense of deliberate process or coalition building. It has thrust the nine-day-old administration into its first constitutional conflict, as multiple courts have intervened to block aspects of the order, and into its broadest diplomatic incident, with overseas allies objecting.
Don't sugarcoat it
These are actions of a DICTATOR
Don't sugarcoat it
These are actions of a DICTATOR
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This administration is trying to argue that additional, more thorough vetting of immigrants is required to keep Americans safe at home but, ironically, they and the many within the Republican Party see no need to extend that level of scrutiny to Americans who purchase guns for the sole purpose of slaughtering their fellow citizens. Apparently they fear and will do anything including trampling human rights to decrease the risk of foreign terrorism but the home-grown variety....not so much.
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President Trump has and will continue to hurt our country. He is belligerent. Bannon is his right hand man. A right wing extremist. To the moderate Republican voters, independents, is this really what you wanted? I understand you want change but to what extent and to watch your President tear down the heart and soul of this country, our CONSTITUTION....
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And so begins what most of us suspected: a repudiation of D. Trump ' s lack of political experience and his surrounding himself of yes men and women. Only the beginning 10 days....and 1450 days to go....God help us!
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Maybe those 850 Disney employees who lost their jobs to H1 visa holders, and even had to train those lower paid replacements, can get their jobs back.
Who is a traitor now, someone who fights for Americans to keep their jobs, or you who think this outsourcing is ok. I'm sure we can agree it is the latter group.
Who is a traitor now, someone who fights for Americans to keep their jobs, or you who think this outsourcing is ok. I'm sure we can agree it is the latter group.
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People, remember through your outrage that we are a "government of the people, by the people, for the people...."
Trump did not seize the Presidency by military coup. He went through the election process like everyone else and, although he was clearly not fit to be President, we put him there.
What we, or at least I, found out on election day was that a large minority of white women in this country, including 45% of educated women with four year degrees, were harboring a deep dislike for Hillary Clinton. Some organizations had to know this. Could some, like perhaps this influential newspaper, have shined a light on this while Mrs. Clinton was still seeking the nomination and this could have been taken into account?
The great cities of the east and west costs dominate the news and entertainment industries. They tend to have beliefs that run counter to those held in the Midwest and South. Great newspapers that used to have their own political leaning felt that it was their duty to give due representation of all sides. This is rarely the case anymore. The greater of the news media has now embraced their ideology and probably are largely convinced that most agree with them, since that is the only feed back that they get.
And I also hold myself responsible for not voting in the election. I believed that Mrs. Clinton was certain to win so I didn't have to bother to go out and vote. Wrong. From now on I will consider voting my civil right and duty and vote in every election.
Trump did not seize the Presidency by military coup. He went through the election process like everyone else and, although he was clearly not fit to be President, we put him there.
What we, or at least I, found out on election day was that a large minority of white women in this country, including 45% of educated women with four year degrees, were harboring a deep dislike for Hillary Clinton. Some organizations had to know this. Could some, like perhaps this influential newspaper, have shined a light on this while Mrs. Clinton was still seeking the nomination and this could have been taken into account?
The great cities of the east and west costs dominate the news and entertainment industries. They tend to have beliefs that run counter to those held in the Midwest and South. Great newspapers that used to have their own political leaning felt that it was their duty to give due representation of all sides. This is rarely the case anymore. The greater of the news media has now embraced their ideology and probably are largely convinced that most agree with them, since that is the only feed back that they get.
And I also hold myself responsible for not voting in the election. I believed that Mrs. Clinton was certain to win so I didn't have to bother to go out and vote. Wrong. From now on I will consider voting my civil right and duty and vote in every election.
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Your honesty and introspection are admirable. But you live in a solidly blue state, so please don't be too hard on yourself. But yes you are right to want to vote in every election--the local races especially need you.
There is logic to your argument and I am a proponent of the idea that one must work within the system or with whatever circumstances exist rather than what we think should be the circumstances. That said, I get a little tired of catering to the ignorant and misled. Many of them may have had undergrad degrees which makes their buying into the 30 year long campaign of lies worked against the Clintons all the more inexcusable. When are we going to see some enlightenment within the extreme right wing? They have people believing that center right politicians like Clinton and Obama are Communists! Worse yet, some are so stupid they will call them communists and Nazis in the same discussion being unaware of the simple fact that those two things are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. How does a politician appeal to people who are this ill-informed? They can't be reasoned with. They are too indoctrinated. So I ask you Mr. Keating, what do we do when even the supposedly educated are not educated enough to see past the lies told by Republicans?
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No, "we" didnt . The Trump voters and the folks that voted 3rd party did- it was obvious that he would be a disaster from the get-go but you have to believe people.
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When is the Trump impeachment? This guy is from my home town of NY and he has zero credibility here.
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Trump is trying to succeed where Lindbergh failed, install a Nazi government in the US.
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Had the executive order been executed in an effective manner, I would be terrified. Instead, I suspect this mess is for showmanship.
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Trump can neither tweet himself around the checks and balances of the U.S. Constitution nor circumvent the individual rights and civil liberties enshrined in that document. The genius of the U.S. Constitution is on full display here. Signed christopheralberto.com
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"It has thrust the nine-day-old administration into its first constitutional conflict..."
The Constitutional conflict exists only in the minds of those on the left and in the media who oppose Trump on this issue. Any serious reading of people like Andrew McCarthy make it clear that Trump is on unassailable legal ground with this order.
See:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444402/trump-muslim-ban-goal-ban-s... and
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-orde...
The Constitutional conflict exists only in the minds of those on the left and in the media who oppose Trump on this issue. Any serious reading of people like Andrew McCarthy make it clear that Trump is on unassailable legal ground with this order.
See:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444402/trump-muslim-ban-goal-ban-s... and
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-orde...
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@Hurry. I read the articles. They are embarrassingly vapid, dishonest, and stupid. Trump isn't trying to stop Shariah law from visiting the United States, as this mind-numbingly stupid author claims. God Almighty, how did that drivel get past the editors? Oh, that's right, it's the National Review. This dreck gets published and people read and get influenced by it. No wonder this jerk got elected.
Trump's ban is a Muslim ban, pure and simple. The seven countries are 95% Muslim. The EO gives preference to Christians in those countries. How freaking transparent could it possibly be? Oh, and, not for nothing: none of those countries has ever sent a single terrorist to U.S. soil. But the countries that did send the 9/11 terrorists here? None of them is on the list. Why? Because the Trump Organization does tens of millions of dollars in business with those countries.
Can you say banana republic? Sure you can.
Trump's ban is a Muslim ban, pure and simple. The seven countries are 95% Muslim. The EO gives preference to Christians in those countries. How freaking transparent could it possibly be? Oh, and, not for nothing: none of those countries has ever sent a single terrorist to U.S. soil. But the countries that did send the 9/11 terrorists here? None of them is on the list. Why? Because the Trump Organization does tens of millions of dollars in business with those countries.
Can you say banana republic? Sure you can.
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Strange, why before arguing people wouldn't look at the law?
U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part II › § 1182
8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182#
U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part II › § 1182
8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182#
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@areader. A "finding" is an act of legal consequence that requires study, expertise, input from federal agencies. It involves a formal administrative investigation with a finding of facts to support it. That's why the statute doesn't say, "Upon the whim of the President..."
Trump made no administrative "findings" of any kind. He signed a ukase authored during the transition period by his wife-beating White Supremacist Iago, Steve Bannon, with no administrative deliberation or investigation whatsoever. That's not what the legislature intended when it enacted 8 U.S.C. 1182.
Trump made no administrative "findings" of any kind. He signed a ukase authored during the transition period by his wife-beating White Supremacist Iago, Steve Bannon, with no administrative deliberation or investigation whatsoever. That's not what the legislature intended when it enacted 8 U.S.C. 1182.
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Just because it's legal doesn't make it right. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, FDR imprisoned Japanese Americans.
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@areader. Well, I'm a former Marine and what would make me feel safer would be an Executive Order banning the sale and possession of all semi-automatic firearms and high capacity magazines. Now that would be something worth applauding...but I won't hold my breath! www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf
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Our country is being shamed into a wake up call://////
And perhaps Donald J. Trump ...being the antithesis to our core values is the
best...worst....EXAMPLE.....for us to address...
A selfish democracy which has existed since Ronald Reagan's economic policy..
which was so disingenuous that only the really gullible could .."buy this"
No one in their right mind would BELIEVE Reagan thinking that there is
no greed....and that all wealth filters down from one percent...What a CROCK..
didn't buy it then...don't buy it now or EVER...
And so the Tea Party is really the Party which the middle class HATES...and
Trump once again ...played the Middle Class for FOOLS..
so...Did Not buy Reagan...no way...and now the obvious Huckster...and may
I remind all who still believe in this JERK...who had to settle his fraudulent
Trump University lawsuit just before he was inaugurated to $25 Million.
Well...for God's Sake ...what did you expect....Trump is a liar and a cheat..
and not as SMART...as you...so...let us hope he is impeached very very soon
And perhaps Donald J. Trump ...being the antithesis to our core values is the
best...worst....EXAMPLE.....for us to address...
A selfish democracy which has existed since Ronald Reagan's economic policy..
which was so disingenuous that only the really gullible could .."buy this"
No one in their right mind would BELIEVE Reagan thinking that there is
no greed....and that all wealth filters down from one percent...What a CROCK..
didn't buy it then...don't buy it now or EVER...
And so the Tea Party is really the Party which the middle class HATES...and
Trump once again ...played the Middle Class for FOOLS..
so...Did Not buy Reagan...no way...and now the obvious Huckster...and may
I remind all who still believe in this JERK...who had to settle his fraudulent
Trump University lawsuit just before he was inaugurated to $25 Million.
Well...for God's Sake ...what did you expect....Trump is a liar and a cheat..
and not as SMART...as you...so...let us hope he is impeached very very soon
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Donald Trump is the first U.S. president who is sincerely embarking on the epic of keeping America safe. Every country is recognized as a terrorist state by the act of terrorism sponsorship led by its government. Obviously the governments of these 7 countries are sponsoring act of terrorism, Saudi Arabia was not included in the list because its government is not involved in an act of terrorism, 911 attack was carried out by the citizens of Saudi Arabia and not its state. If the people of these 7 nations have any objection to immigration law enforced by any country in the world, they should redirect their protest toward their own governments. The immigration order was issued without any warning because it was going to ban the terrorists from entering the country, it was not planned to warn them in advance, which would result in a futile outcome. The new immigration law imposed by Trump is strongly supported by the real Americans who love their country and the future of their next generation.
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Sorry, but you're not "the real Americans."
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Saudis did 9/11 yet Trump exempts them. I am a REAL American and his exemptions of countries whose terrorists have actually attacked Americans makes me ill. But You are good with that, eh?
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Wait until they start coming....through Canada!
I want to express my appreciation to President Obama for making his definitive statement opposing the Trump/Pence administration's effort to reverse America's long-standing belief in welcoming immigrants. My grandparents came to this country 110 years ago. They had little to contribute, being illiterate in both English and their own language, but were welcomed nonetheless. As a result, their descendants have made significant contributions to our nation. That's how it works in America. That welcoming policy is one of the most important values that built this country.
The former president is one of the distinctly moral American voices in the world today and I hope he will continue the step forward and speak forcefully as our values are threatened by the current administration.
Thank you, sir.
Dan Sapone
The former president is one of the distinctly moral American voices in the world today and I hope he will continue the step forward and speak forcefully as our values are threatened by the current administration.
Thank you, sir.
Dan Sapone
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If the refugee ban is an indicator of how Trump will conduct business, the next four years will be a nightmare. It appears that Trump informed just a handful of his top advisors about his ban on Muslims immigrants from certain countries. There was no forethought about how this plan would be carried out by immigration officials. The result: chaos.
I'm also shocked by statements that Christians will be given preferential treatment. Trump's presidential campaign was so divisive. It looks like his presidential tenure will fragment our country even more.
I have a friend who does not have green card. She has worked as a caregiver to elderly patients for a number of years. She is terrified that she will be deported. Today she told me: "Donald Trump acts like this country is all his. But our country is for a lot of different people."
I'm also shocked by statements that Christians will be given preferential treatment. Trump's presidential campaign was so divisive. It looks like his presidential tenure will fragment our country even more.
I have a friend who does not have green card. She has worked as a caregiver to elderly patients for a number of years. She is terrified that she will be deported. Today she told me: "Donald Trump acts like this country is all his. But our country is for a lot of different people."
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Is this another cultural revolution in progress?
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Why should anyone believe the numbers they give for those affected? Or believe that there are no more people detained. This administration has demonstrated, above all, that it lies (that's not a slur: crowd size, voter fraud, landslide...). Why should we believe it on anything? They'll lie to avoid judicial oversight or any other kind of oversight. Popular protest is important. Pressure on legislators too -- but the GOP would clearly sell off the whole Constitution and our public assets for a few tax cuts and vouchers. I hope that foreign countries don't succumb to Trump's divide and conquer policies. Americans who want to get through this nightmare can only be helped by a strong and unified coalition of the willing obstructing all of the efforts of this administration abroad and at home.
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Trump should immediately be impeached. He is incapable of upholding the Constitution because he is incompetent. Foreign relations, civil rights, avoidance of conflicts of interest, basic operation of the government, our national security have all been trashed by Trump. His incompetence may derive from his own mental instability or from the extremist ideologues surrounding him. It really doesn't matter why - the damage and incompetence are clear. We need to remove him before he does any more harm. Trump is a clear and present danger to our country.
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I wholeheartedly agree. However, what do we do with the ideologues? I'm afraid that we've been left with so few choices. The checks and balances don't really seem to be working...we've really done it this time.
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Jason Juno Lee, who identifies himself as a Marine, posted a comment comparing the United States after the order to a safely locked house.
“I lock my doors every night,” he wrote. “I don’t lock them because I ‘hate’ the people outside. I lock them because I love the people inside!”
Wes Schmaltz was more concise: “Thank you President Trump for doing exactly what you were elected to do.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/trump-travel-ban-republicans-conse...
“I lock my doors every night,” he wrote. “I don’t lock them because I ‘hate’ the people outside. I lock them because I love the people inside!”
Wes Schmaltz was more concise: “Thank you President Trump for doing exactly what you were elected to do.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/trump-travel-ban-republicans-conse...
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If Trump really cared about our security, he would not have Steve Brannon on the NSC. Madness!
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The immigration ban, as I see it, served two primary purposes. Inconveniencing millions of travelers and immigrants was largely a red herring in service of the larger scheme. As red meat for rabid (and Christian) supporters it hit the spot, though Trump and Bannon's real objective is to set the table for a showdown with Iran. The object is to provoke a powerful, cosmopolitan nation by associating it with the Islamic world's most impoverished and dysfunctional states. It explains the absence of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan and others on the banned list, while lumping Iran with the devastation and desperation of Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, and Syria. The affront was not lost on Iran when it immediately fired back on the ban, calling it an insult, which was exactly the intended message. A precision hit, as it were, the first of many to come, with the ultimate goal of turning back the nuclear deal, and quite possibly a pre-emptive strike under the guise of protecting Israel. To that end, enduring some short-term bad press is a small price to endure.
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I live in an apartment complex that has residents from nearly 100 countries.
Representing every religion. Some work at the United Nations. Others are medical and dental students, and medical residents, and research scientists at NYU and Mt. Sinai. And, some of my neighbors, like many other neighbors in many other New York City buildings, have come to the United States from all over the world to build a new life. And, to build a new city.
Who doesn't love the diversity of New York City or Fairfax County, Virginia where I grew up -- with professionals in all fields like computer science, medicine, law, journalism, and all the arts -- and small business owners who open restaurants and shops of every ethnicity. Shutting "them" out shuts us
out -- we are who we are because of inclusion.
Tonight I will do laundry, and I expect to find others doing laundry - I may be the only one in the laundry room born in the United States. but we all
have the same dirty laundry, every week.
Representing every religion. Some work at the United Nations. Others are medical and dental students, and medical residents, and research scientists at NYU and Mt. Sinai. And, some of my neighbors, like many other neighbors in many other New York City buildings, have come to the United States from all over the world to build a new life. And, to build a new city.
Who doesn't love the diversity of New York City or Fairfax County, Virginia where I grew up -- with professionals in all fields like computer science, medicine, law, journalism, and all the arts -- and small business owners who open restaurants and shops of every ethnicity. Shutting "them" out shuts us
out -- we are who we are because of inclusion.
Tonight I will do laundry, and I expect to find others doing laundry - I may be the only one in the laundry room born in the United States. but we all
have the same dirty laundry, every week.
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Too funny!
Of 50 Muslim majority nations only 7 have a temp travel ban- boo hoo!
The seven countries were identified by obama and congress- oh yes they were!
More people are delayed at JFK on any snowy night than over this past weekend- check the records
Please- no foreigner has the "right" to travel to another sovereign nation without its approval- duh!
Of 50 Muslim majority nations only 7 have a temp travel ban- boo hoo!
The seven countries were identified by obama and congress- oh yes they were!
More people are delayed at JFK on any snowy night than over this past weekend- check the records
Please- no foreigner has the "right" to travel to another sovereign nation without its approval- duh!
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No one has ever been deported because of a snowy night
Attention: Hyper Self-Righteous Christian V.P. Pence,
Since you support Trumpty's ban on immigrants, that makes you:
1. Against aborting fetuses
2. In favor of aborting immigrants
In sum, you are an unconscionable Hypocrite.
Since you support Trumpty's ban on immigrants, that makes you:
1. Against aborting fetuses
2. In favor of aborting immigrants
In sum, you are an unconscionable Hypocrite.
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Americans value legal fights, settling differences by legal means. But court orders mean very little without real people behind them. Rule of law couldn't stop pogroms. It never did. Law is silent when people hate. When the Brooklyn Fr Court issued the order staying the executive order on Saturday evening, I wasn't that interested. After all, the toddler president with an ant farm was elected by a vast likeminded population. The fact that people mobilized behind suffering muslim immigrants is more important. Civil Rights movement started after the nation showed sympathy, not before.
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So many Americans support this racist grab for power and are willing to watch other human beings suffer for their percieved (not real) benefits. Now we know how Hitler and the Nazis got away with it so long.
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Keep up your excellent reporting, New York Times. I rely on you for facts and in-depth investigations that show what is really going on.
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Oh my God! Outrage! Chaos! Wait until tomorrow when President Trump tells us who the next Supreme Court Justice will be - immigrants from terrorist-breeding countries wil be long forgotton by the Soros crowd.
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This Executive Branch can't seem to get anything right. Perhaps they need to stop shooting from the hip? A little competence in government is not too much to ask.
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It is when the electorate is as incompetent and gullible as ours.
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Now Trump in spinning the blame for starting WWIII on McCain when in fact it his himself that is moving towards war. This raging dictator will destroy the world with a nuclear war within the next year.
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Well at least now we understand why Trump's casinos went broke. The guy can't even manage a money maker yet alone the government. Jeesh.
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The NY times, Madonna and the left still dont get it. They've bern told a thousand times since the election that they dont get it.
Every guy in our shop supports this....completely. In 2018 Trump and The GOP are going to pick up 6 to 12 Senate seats. The liberal press will still not 'get it'.
Every guy in our shop supports this....completely. In 2018 Trump and The GOP are going to pick up 6 to 12 Senate seats. The liberal press will still not 'get it'.
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That foxy Donald Trump actually snuck into the Obama White House and apparently signed a six-month freeze on Iraqi refugee resettlement in 2011 as U.S. authorities attempted to clamp down on serious screening problems.
Surely progressive icon Barack Obama wouldn't have done that, would he? Where were the airport crazies then?
90% of our angst-ridden snowflakes don't remember the wonderful Representative Barbara Jordan of Texas, but she was a strong voice for enforcing our laws on illegal immigration. Someone check with Mr. Soros to see if I can mention her.
Surely progressive icon Barack Obama wouldn't have done that, would he? Where were the airport crazies then?
90% of our angst-ridden snowflakes don't remember the wonderful Representative Barbara Jordan of Texas, but she was a strong voice for enforcing our laws on illegal immigration. Someone check with Mr. Soros to see if I can mention her.
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in 2013, Obama banned all refugees from Iraq for six months, and his action was hardly noticed: Trump is only proposing a ninety-day pause.
Two years later, Congress passed a law, the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act, that restricted travel visas for citizens of “states of concern,” i.e. Syria, Sudan, Iraq, Iran and “any other country or area of concern.” Obama promptly signed it. In early 2016, the Department of Homeland Security unilaterally extended these restrictions to Yemen, Libya, and Somalia.
In short, the legal and political basis of Trump’s executive order – which is being denounced as an unprecedented attack on our allies (Iraq), civil liberties, and decency itself – was laid during the previous regime. Trump has simply dispensed with the fiction that these travelers are welcomed by our government, and issued an ostensibly temporary outright ban.
Aside from the hypocrisy underscored in that history, however, a larger point needs to be made: this all follows from our bipartisan foreign policy of perpetual war.
And as for those who are now gathering at airports with placards denouncing Trump – where were they when the countries on the no-go list were being bombed by their hero, Obama?
They were nowhere to be found. Oh, but now they’re up there on their high horses, lances lowered and ready to do battle with the “fascist” Trump. Spare us the theatrics, my liberal friends, and contemplate your own sins, for they are many.
Two years later, Congress passed a law, the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act, that restricted travel visas for citizens of “states of concern,” i.e. Syria, Sudan, Iraq, Iran and “any other country or area of concern.” Obama promptly signed it. In early 2016, the Department of Homeland Security unilaterally extended these restrictions to Yemen, Libya, and Somalia.
In short, the legal and political basis of Trump’s executive order – which is being denounced as an unprecedented attack on our allies (Iraq), civil liberties, and decency itself – was laid during the previous regime. Trump has simply dispensed with the fiction that these travelers are welcomed by our government, and issued an ostensibly temporary outright ban.
Aside from the hypocrisy underscored in that history, however, a larger point needs to be made: this all follows from our bipartisan foreign policy of perpetual war.
And as for those who are now gathering at airports with placards denouncing Trump – where were they when the countries on the no-go list were being bombed by their hero, Obama?
They were nowhere to be found. Oh, but now they’re up there on their high horses, lances lowered and ready to do battle with the “fascist” Trump. Spare us the theatrics, my liberal friends, and contemplate your own sins, for they are many.
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I agree that Trump's order is totally undesirable. But many other countries follow such policies and there are never protests against these. And these same countries want to enjoy secularism, liberalism in USA.
None of the muslim majority countries of middle east are secular. No non-muslim can freely express their religion or build a temple or church. Many countries do not grant citizenship even if generations of a family have lived there. How many people of these countries residing in USA have raised voices against their own country? How many have tried to persuade their own country to be secular, to welcome foreigners?
All who are protesting against the ban order should also protest against all non-secular countries.
None of the muslim majority countries of middle east are secular. No non-muslim can freely express their religion or build a temple or church. Many countries do not grant citizenship even if generations of a family have lived there. How many people of these countries residing in USA have raised voices against their own country? How many have tried to persuade their own country to be secular, to welcome foreigners?
All who are protesting against the ban order should also protest against all non-secular countries.
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So our defense is, hey we're better than Yemen, Iran etc.?
Also, we claim to be better than those countries. None of those countries go around portraying themselves and their values as a beacon to humanity.
But the biggest bone I have to pick is with your assertion that the protesters should raise their voices against their "own country." Newsflash: THIS is their country and they are protesting against it's policies. As you said they are "residing in the USA.' Why should they have to go back to where they came from, change that society, and only then have the right to protest here? According to this logic any immigrant who has a complaint here needs to go back to their country of origin, fix a similar problem there, and only then have the right to complain here. The whole reason that the majority of immigrants are here is because they didn't like the rules/culture/economy etc. in the country of their birth and they certainly don't want those problems replicated here.
Also, we claim to be better than those countries. None of those countries go around portraying themselves and their values as a beacon to humanity.
But the biggest bone I have to pick is with your assertion that the protesters should raise their voices against their "own country." Newsflash: THIS is their country and they are protesting against it's policies. As you said they are "residing in the USA.' Why should they have to go back to where they came from, change that society, and only then have the right to protest here? According to this logic any immigrant who has a complaint here needs to go back to their country of origin, fix a similar problem there, and only then have the right to complain here. The whole reason that the majority of immigrants are here is because they didn't like the rules/culture/economy etc. in the country of their birth and they certainly don't want those problems replicated here.
Trump proposes to give special treatment to marginalized, discriminated groups in the Middle East - Christians, Jews, Kurds, Alawites and Yazidi. Why is this a problem? Why shouldn't USA attempt to reach out to the marginalized groups?
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Sean Spicier just cited the Quebec City mosque mass murder as justification for Trump's executive order banning travellers from Muslim countries.
New flash Sean, the suspect that was arrested was a white french speaking Canadian born white nationalist views and mental health issues...in Canada you pretty much have to have mental health issues to be a white nationalist.
Maybe Sean should walk down the hall to Bannon's office next time to see what his white nationalist/racist buddies have been up to before he starts spewing more "alternate truths".
Sean, how about you just leave Canada out of your conversation entirely, cause we are quickly coming to the conclusion we're better off without Trump's America...and yes we fully understand what that means, we might be poor but at least we'll still have our democracy based on freedom and truth.
New flash Sean, the suspect that was arrested was a white french speaking Canadian born white nationalist views and mental health issues...in Canada you pretty much have to have mental health issues to be a white nationalist.
Maybe Sean should walk down the hall to Bannon's office next time to see what his white nationalist/racist buddies have been up to before he starts spewing more "alternate truths".
Sean, how about you just leave Canada out of your conversation entirely, cause we are quickly coming to the conclusion we're better off without Trump's America...and yes we fully understand what that means, we might be poor but at least we'll still have our democracy based on freedom and truth.
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Gordon chooses to forget San Bernardino shooter Tasheen Malik,
the Tsarnaev brothers,
Chattanooga Recruiting Center shooter, Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez,
Ohio State University attacker Abdul Razak Artan,
NYC bomber Ahmad Khan Rahimi, and
Minnesota mall attacker Dahir Adan. Why? Don't or didn't they exist?
the Tsarnaev brothers,
Chattanooga Recruiting Center shooter, Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez,
Ohio State University attacker Abdul Razak Artan,
NYC bomber Ahmad Khan Rahimi, and
Minnesota mall attacker Dahir Adan. Why? Don't or didn't they exist?
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Osservatore - If you didn't notice, his subject was Canada, not the US.
The small number of detained people at airports is irrelevant if student visa and H1B visa holders outside the US can't board planes to get back to their studies, jobs and families.
Typical Trump administration dishonesty pointing out an irrelevant statistic.
Typical Trump administration dishonesty pointing out an irrelevant statistic.
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bannon>trump's incitements I interpret as directly tied to the attack in Quebec City - though the Canadian authorities are exhibiting diplomatic restraint (something we may lose memory of here in the US). Six gone, eight injured - condolences to the families and the community there.
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The ban of muslims may make USA actually unsafer. Since 9/11 American officials screen travelers at airports in other countries. Countries that do not stand up for discrimination in their territory and call to a stop to that arrangement. Imagine that all screening of inbound travelers needs to be done at USA airports - what a chaos that would be! It would not affect only muslims but every non-resident travelling to USA. USA gets isolated at top speed.
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If we survive the era of Trump, let's hope it is short lived, this will be a wake-up call that we need to rethink the function of government as it was originally meant to be. Money in politics has distorted reality to the point where 44% of the voters no longer know what democracy is and would prefer an authoritarian dictatorial approach than a government of the People, by the People and for the People.
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According to news reports, this catastrophic blunder was largely the work of rightwing firebrand Steve Bannon, formerly head of Breitbart News which peddled fake news. He reportedly honchoed the entire process.
If so, then this jaw-dropping blunder should disqualify him from any further power in the White House. A world-class blunder of this size is career-ending.
If so, then this jaw-dropping blunder should disqualify him from any further power in the White House. A world-class blunder of this size is career-ending.
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Americans are looking at the protesters and going "don't they have to work"? The Executive orders will keep coming, and the protesters will be scrambling to create new signs for each decree, barely able to write fast enough to keep up. Pick and choose your battles wisely.
And someone should tell Chuck Schumer that Lady Liberty was welcoming immigrants to fuel the industrial revolution. There were no social programs for my grandparents when they arrived in Ellis Island. The help given to immigrants today is burdensome, and the contributions made to the country by many recent immigrants are dubious. I hope readers don't find these thoughts too offensive. I think they are just realistic.
And someone should tell Chuck Schumer that Lady Liberty was welcoming immigrants to fuel the industrial revolution. There were no social programs for my grandparents when they arrived in Ellis Island. The help given to immigrants today is burdensome, and the contributions made to the country by many recent immigrants are dubious. I hope readers don't find these thoughts too offensive. I think they are just realistic.
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Realistic based on "common sense" - please look up facts re refugee help and immigrant contributions. Things that "sound right" and "straight" are often wrong and shortcut for critical thinking.
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Well you are wrong. Those thoughts are very offensive. This isn't the Middle Ages.
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Mark,says
"the the contributions made to the country by many recent immigrants are dubious."
I guess you didn't know that Steve Jobs father was an immigrant from Syria. Every heard of Apple?
"the the contributions made to the country by many recent immigrants are dubious."
I guess you didn't know that Steve Jobs father was an immigrant from Syria. Every heard of Apple?
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Why would anyone believe Trump that only 109 people were detained? Why has the media suddenly developed amnesia over Trump's campaign vow to ban all Muslims from entering the U.S. "until we can figure out what the hell is going on?" It could take Trump years to "figure out what the hell is going on." Why would the American people elect a president who has never even run for city council before, who knows nothing about government, history or diplomacy? Why would they elect a casino magnate who bankrupted all four of his casinos and looted Atlantic City? What the hell is going on?
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hey those factory workers in Ohio must be relieved that immigration detailed the 5 year old boy for hours, to make sure he was not a threat to the homeland
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All country is against this ban - except that it's not:
57% favor a temporary ban, 33% are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
57% favor a temporary ban, 33% are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
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The Rasmussen Reports is a conservative poll. What about other polls?
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Forget the polls.
Read the U.S. Constitution.
Read the U.S. Constitution.
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@emb,
No others yet. But, by the way, it was Rasmussen who was right about the results of the election.
No others yet. But, by the way, it was Rasmussen who was right about the results of the election.
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The incredible irony that very three governments that defeated the Nazis would succumb to fascist idealism, along with fascism’s most infamous victims the Jews, and would all be united like this is not lost on me. These are also the very same countries that screwed everything up the last time they started drawing lines. Historically, that means war is coming. In hindsight, the "war to end all wars" was a complete failure, because wars simply don't end, and neither does cause and effect. Either way the path is daunting, wrought with death and ironic reminders of what we are, collectively.
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Trump's handling of this reminds me of Woody Allen's 'Bananas' where a Latin America dictator command all his people to speak Swedish and wear underwear on the outside so he can make sure they are clean.
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I wish these people (and the media) were as loud and outraged when peace-loving people were slaughtered in Paris, Brussels, Berlin, San Bernardino, Orlando and other places (such as those countries in the travel ban). Where was the outcry then?
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These same people spoke up loud and clear when those things happened. Where were you when young, white American born men slaughtered U.S. citizens in schools, malls etc.?
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I was probably in Afghanistan (been there twice already) or in Iraq (was there on three tours) defending your freedom.
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Trump is literally delusional. He has a psychiatric disorder and needs medical care. And the United States of America, where people are free to practice their religions as they see fit, needs him and Steve Bannon out of our government.
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So, Obama's EOs prohibiting the detention of illegal aliens, inconsistent with the law, was embraced by all the political hacks, even though a Federal Judge later found his actions to be unconstitutional and she stayed the orders. But Trump does the same, but consistent with the law and you all lose your minds. Sleep well sheeple.
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So what is the extend of an executive order? Is Trump really just a king now?
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This is not a ban on Muslims, is only temporary, is well within both precedent and law, and is supported by a majority of U.S. citizens.
It appears that liberals are fully exercising the Three H's of modern political opposition - Hyperbole, Hysteria, and Hypocrisy.
At this rate, outrage fatigue should set in very soon. Thankfully.
It appears that liberals are fully exercising the Three H's of modern political opposition - Hyperbole, Hysteria, and Hypocrisy.
At this rate, outrage fatigue should set in very soon. Thankfully.
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It is a ban on Muslims, if it were not Trump would not have said that Christians would be excepted. Describe the precedent. Find a poll (not rasmussen or any right leaning organization) that supports your claim.
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Trump says there is no Muslim ban. Is he lying or delusional? Neither answer inspires confidence or trust. Both answers mean he should not and must not be president. He's far too conceited and self-absorbed ever to put our nation's interests above his own, so he won't resign. I'm not ready for another impeachment drama, but I see no alternative.
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Impeachment based on what perceived crimes?
Violations of Jims opinions?
Violations of Jims opinions?
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Impeachment based on directing CBP to disregard legal judicial orders, if that is proven to have taken place.
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To all the left-leaning, uninformed commentators and protesters out there....why didn't you protest when other Presidents did similar things? Hypocrites?
Below are Obama’s actions:
— July 25, 2011. Barred those under a UN travel ban, or who broke 29 executive orders covering transactions with terrorists.
— Aug. 4, 2012. Banned anybody involved in war crimes, or just about any other crime including human rights violations.
— April 23, 2012. Barred those helping Syria or Iran, or involved in human rights abuses for those governments.
— May 1, 2012. Another block on those helping Iran and Syria.
— April 3, 2014. Banned anyone known to threaten South Sudan.
— March 6, 2014 . Barred entry of those claiming government authority in the Crimea region of Ukraine, presumably on behalf of Moscow.
White House documents also show that former President Bill Clinton issued six immigrant bans; George W. Bush six immigrant bans; and former President Ronald Reagan four. And in 1980, former President Jimmy Carter banned Iranians after Tehran seized the U.S. embassy.
Below are Obama’s actions:
— July 25, 2011. Barred those under a UN travel ban, or who broke 29 executive orders covering transactions with terrorists.
— Aug. 4, 2012. Banned anybody involved in war crimes, or just about any other crime including human rights violations.
— April 23, 2012. Barred those helping Syria or Iran, or involved in human rights abuses for those governments.
— May 1, 2012. Another block on those helping Iran and Syria.
— April 3, 2014. Banned anyone known to threaten South Sudan.
— March 6, 2014 . Barred entry of those claiming government authority in the Crimea region of Ukraine, presumably on behalf of Moscow.
White House documents also show that former President Bill Clinton issued six immigrant bans; George W. Bush six immigrant bans; and former President Ronald Reagan four. And in 1980, former President Jimmy Carter banned Iranians after Tehran seized the U.S. embassy.
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Trump isn't banning people involved in war crimes; he's banning people who happen to come from seven specific countries. Your argument is specious.
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Too bad our Constitution does not allow "Vote of Confidence," which may ask Mr. Trump to step down.
10 days in, now, which part of Switzerland do I want to move to? I am working on it.
Obviously, this is more serious.
Question: what could be done moving forward.
Will not be easy.
10 days in, now, which part of Switzerland do I want to move to? I am working on it.
Obviously, this is more serious.
Question: what could be done moving forward.
Will not be easy.
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Lol. The 'vote' of confidence already installed him in the White House, incase you missed the elections.
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No surprise here. The President TOLD you every time he stood up to speak that he was going to start with immigration reform. Please don't pretend to be shocked. At least we have a headline now - ''Chuckie Scumer's tears!''
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'They' deserved collective punishment, and, by Jove, they got it.
This American resort to self-preservation makes it so much harder to push the democratic project elsewhere, as it clearly demonstrates that democracies do not mean anything better.
Hopefully the democratic forces - public opinion, media, and, yes, even the 'swamp' - will continue to stand up and be counted. Because the ban only takes care of those wanting to come in. What about the ones already inside? If rule is going to be by edict, better to brace yourselves.
This American resort to self-preservation makes it so much harder to push the democratic project elsewhere, as it clearly demonstrates that democracies do not mean anything better.
Hopefully the democratic forces - public opinion, media, and, yes, even the 'swamp' - will continue to stand up and be counted. Because the ban only takes care of those wanting to come in. What about the ones already inside? If rule is going to be by edict, better to brace yourselves.
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Beyond faulty, uniformed policy- this ban indicates gross incompetence. That Bannon is guiding Trump on the red meat 'movement' issues, reveals the utter lack of administrative skill.
Reaction to this Trump/Bannon dumb fiasco makes 'heck of a job, Brownie !' (re: incompetent crony bungling FEMA response to Hurricane Katrina) see, like mild praise.
What utter wanton disregard for the President's duty to honor civil safety and order.
Reaction to this Trump/Bannon dumb fiasco makes 'heck of a job, Brownie !' (re: incompetent crony bungling FEMA response to Hurricane Katrina) see, like mild praise.
What utter wanton disregard for the President's duty to honor civil safety and order.
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America is the land of Immigration, freedom, free religious. All religions MUST stop being angry and mad about the USA, steps towards putting AMERICA FIRST. It is the first steps to make America safe for everyone, and everywhere.The president is aiming to make the WORLD better place and safe for everyone.ALL AMERICAN must believe on him, and be positive.The president not trying to make anyone feel bad or unwanted.People are protesting because they have more times in their hands, the get more public welfare.The USA media need to STAND UP to America and be more supportive towards their CITIZENS and their president. Protestors need to go the GYM to exercise and stay safe and leave the politics alone to do their works. People now have plans for their weekends just protesting. Those protesters need to spend times with their families and loved ones. All USA citizens regardless of your religion stand by the side of the president and be more supportive.
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I just read in the Boston Globe that President Obama rejects the statement Trump made that he based his travel ban on Obama's ideas.
We know who is really behind Trump's plan--Steve Bannon.
We know who is really behind Trump's plan--Steve Bannon.
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One commenter on another story on the ban mentioned that the shooters in the Quebec City Mosque attack were Syrians as justification for banning Syrian refugees.
I do not know where he got his "alternate facts" but I did some additional research on reputable news sites only. The lastest is that though two people were arrested, only one is suspected of being the shooter. The shooter was definitely NOT Syrian. Definitely a Canadian of non-Syrian, non-Muslim ethnicity.
Is there some new rule that anyone is allowed to make up alternate facts, skip the research, and say whatever they want to support their views? There seems to be a lot of Trump imitation going on these days. The problem is that if you are not a billionaire who has been elected president, it is just not going to work out well for you. I am waiting to see how this new rule works out for the billionaire president in the long run.
I do not know where he got his "alternate facts" but I did some additional research on reputable news sites only. The lastest is that though two people were arrested, only one is suspected of being the shooter. The shooter was definitely NOT Syrian. Definitely a Canadian of non-Syrian, non-Muslim ethnicity.
Is there some new rule that anyone is allowed to make up alternate facts, skip the research, and say whatever they want to support their views? There seems to be a lot of Trump imitation going on these days. The problem is that if you are not a billionaire who has been elected president, it is just not going to work out well for you. I am waiting to see how this new rule works out for the billionaire president in the long run.
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Add to that list - whatever information one dislikes or finds objective, regardless of factuality, instantly gets written off as "fake news." That's being promoted from the White House itself all the way down to anonymous Twitter trolls.
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Dylann Roof who murdered nine black parishioners at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, SC would be allowed in Trump's America but a five year old Muslim baby and his family trying to escape persecution in Iraq are banned. What is the deal here? The racist, misogynist, xenophobic in chief would prefer his racist white male compatriot Roof in these borders over someone of the Muslim faith. Trump is no better than Dylann Roof and his hatred of people who look like me, an African American Christian.
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Time for Trump supporters to start marching.
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Yeah that'll happen. Take a look at the video footage from his rallies. Exercise isn't high on these people's lists of activities.
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They're all working so......
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Just having them reading the Constitution would be a refreshing change.
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Here's the latest poll after this E.O. -Jan 30, 2017
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
Similarly, 56% favor a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the government approves its ability to screen for likely terrorists. Thirty-two percent (32%) oppose this temporary ban, and 11% are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
Similarly, 56% favor a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the government approves its ability to screen for likely terrorists. Thirty-two percent (32%) oppose this temporary ban, and 11% are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
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I cannot believe that people who support a temporary halt to Muslim immigration had this fiasco in mind. This is bureaucratic bungling coupled with racist core beliefs (Bannon) and a wanton disregard for the consequences of unfettered ego.
The Rasmussen survey you quote is for: NEWCOMERS/REFUGEES
Grad students, grandmothers, families etc were swept up - people who already LIVE HERE.
Refugees are indeed vetted- many times. But Trump acts he cannot understand.
Grad students, grandmothers, families etc were swept up - people who already LIVE HERE.
Refugees are indeed vetted- many times. But Trump acts he cannot understand.
No ban no wall sanctuary for all! That the new rally cry, until your the victim, than its OMG how could this happen, What do we say to the Steinle family? Sanctuary for all?
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What did anyone expect when we put an adolescent mind in charge of our government?
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This is very dangerous......as was pointed out several times during the campaign, DJT is a rookie...not prepared or qualified for the job....he has surrounded himself with idiots (Mattis, Kelly and Pompeo possible exceptions...the rest of them...particularly Bannon, Conway and Spicer are Master Clowns...and ringleaders/ spinmasters...we are alienating all our major allies (Netanyahu (a well known hawk...and himself politically hanging by his toenails) an exception...won't even comment on the war criminal Putin.....how do we get out of this?...
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How do the Republicans get us out of this? And the sooner the better.
This is what happens when an overindulgent little brat is allowed to stomp around in his Daddy´s shoes, showing everyone he is in charge, however, all he has to show for is a path of chaos, destruction and irrevocable damage. Is it not time to remove the brat from the White House and allow the grown ups to take over before there is real irrevocable damage to the country and the world?
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Rasmussen poll released today finds that only 33% oppose Trumps temporary immigration ban. That pretty much says it all. Only the hard left base of the democrat party is opposed as they are to everything else Trump does.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
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I find that number hard to believe. Polls have been known to be wrong. Who did they ask?
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Why not click the link and find out who they asked. It's pretty self explanatory.
OK. I read it ---- And WHO did they ask???....Land-locked America which is more susceptible to Trump's "alt-truths" and tuned into 24/7 conservative hate-media????
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
Yes, we are a national of immigrants but it's not the melting pot we once had. Multiculturalism rules now. Everyone keeps their identity. How many identify as a US citizen?
Still, this order was misplaced.
Still, this order was misplaced.
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Unfortunately, the American Identity is not one that anyone will soon want to claim after Trump is through with it.
TAX RECORDS NOW!
Banning immigration from ONLY those countries with large Muslim populations where the president has NOT done business is absurd, seemingly arbitrary, but also borderline criminal.
We MUST see those tax records! Otherwise this man cannot continue to hold office. He must be sued to present those records, or be impeached.
Each day is darker than the day before.
TAX RECORDS NOW!
Banning immigration from ONLY those countries with large Muslim populations where the president has NOT done business is absurd, seemingly arbitrary, but also borderline criminal.
We MUST see those tax records! Otherwise this man cannot continue to hold office. He must be sued to present those records, or be impeached.
Each day is darker than the day before.
TAX RECORDS NOW!
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Consider two things that happened on the international Holocaust Remembrance Day: a speech that deliberately omitted all reference to Jews as the primary target of extermination and a decree banning refugees, modeled upon the decrees that banned Jewish refugees from Nazi-occupied Europe. It is not coincidental. Beyond the practical implications of this ban lies an attempt to change the public conversation in an alarming way that blends anti-immigrant xenophobia with neo-Nazi antisemitism. I am encouraged by the response of so many Jewish congregations and individuals who realize that prejudice against Muslims is bound to mutate into a new form of the oldest hatred, antisemitism, promoted by the alt-right. Shame on Kushner who allows himself to be used as a fig leaf for the administration! Unfortunately this would not be the first time individual Jews played such a role in relation to antisemitism regimes.
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The Bible Trump so seemingly proudly proclaimed was given to him by his mother must be missing the book of Leviticus (19:33-34), or, Trump just dismissed Leviticus because God doesn't know what he knows, which Trump will himself reveal at ta futuret press conference.
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The lying, name calling and cheating that went on in the 2016 presidential campaign caused me to leave the political party to which I had belonged for a long time. The immorality, vulgarity, criminality, inhumanity and duplicity of the current so called Christian administration and Congress will cause me to lose my religion. The only thing left with which to replace them both is a membership in the ACLU.
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Our new President is mentally ill, mentally unstable person. I don't say this with even a hint of aggression or anger. No one with a sense of reality would have ever created such chaos. Not republicans or democrats or even tea party. I hope the republicans can figure out a way to control him though it seems that many of them were blindsided by his executive orders. I fear our country is headed for a civil war.
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I don´t know where all this is going to lead. In Mexico we become rattled everytime something comes out from Trump´s mouth. What he proposes to pay for the wall sounds extravagant, to say the least. OK, if he wants a wall, he ought to build it with his money, we have many problems of our own already to carry more. It seems that all that he does, is done with the purpose of annoying, even naming the possibility of moving the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is a cause of concern because he wants to stir more trouble there. And it has only been nine days of him in the presidency. God, what has he in store for the days ahead, what other unpleasant surprises?. We have already had our fill of unpleasant news in Mexico. And on top of all the above, Netanyahu approved the idea of the wall. I believe, it is an unjustifiable comment on his part.
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Speaking of walls, why do rich and middle-class people in Mexico tend to live in properties surrounded by high walls topped with barbed wire and pieces of glass? And why are the leaders of government and business in Mexico disproportionately white, when 90% of the population is indigenous or mixed race? You DO have a lot of problems and you might be able to start solving them if your "best and brightest" citizens didn't have to emigrate to have a decent life.
I would ask you the same as to the tendency in US of white people who tend to go to live in the suburbs far away from the cities and the poverty.of innercities. I have seen in movies that exist a lot of poverty in big cities a lot of indigent people. We are not talking here about how to solve social problemas, the problema is the aggresivity of Trump´s policies. And when you say mockingly our best and brightest, where are yours who cannot solve so much indigency and crime in big cities?
If I didn't know better, one would think Trump was from Texas, shoot first and then ask questions. Every day, it gets worse. I will have no sympathy when those who voted for him, start feeling pain.
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About 170 travellers out of about 350k were affected.
I find myself empathizing with Ms. Conway: The media is ginning up selective Leftist outrage by deliberate misrepresenation.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/kellyanne-conway-rages-against-...
Protests are one thing - selective outrage based on misrepresentation by a hostile 5th estate is another.
I find myself empathizing with Ms. Conway: The media is ginning up selective Leftist outrage by deliberate misrepresenation.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/kellyanne-conway-rages-against-...
Protests are one thing - selective outrage based on misrepresentation by a hostile 5th estate is another.
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A "Left Libertarian" who supports Ms. Conway? Give me a break. You need to change your screen name to "Right Conservative."
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I agree with the other reply. You are not a left anything. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
As a fellow left libertarian, I empathize with you. In last one year, this one time great newspaper has turned into propaganda arm of loony wing of left. All facts contrary to loony left dogma are treated as offensive.
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I just heard a rumor that the next executive order is going to target LGBTQ.
My rage knows no bounds..... I went from being an independent to feeling at war with the GOP.
More than that, I'm incensed with my friends who voted for this buffoon. I may never forgive them.
My rage knows no bounds..... I went from being an independent to feeling at war with the GOP.
More than that, I'm incensed with my friends who voted for this buffoon. I may never forgive them.
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There's enough real news to be upset about without getting worked up over rumors.
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Boundless rage against a hypothetical EO. Pretty much sums up the opposition perfectly.
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No hypotheticals here. Everything Trump said during his campaign is being acted on now, without any preparation for the effects of his actions. This is stupidity, and waiting for the next stupidity...well, we might not have that long if this jerk provokes a nuclear war.
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I am getting sick of reading about Trump and his policies day in,day out! Every title,every page,HE is everywhere! How about some fresh air? An UNTrump article? Everything but Trump!
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It is overwhelming, but I believe it's most important to know as much as possible about what T**** is doing in the name of our nation. He doesn't speak or act for many millions of Americans, and we need to know how best to combat his foolish, dangerous moves.
I also love that the Times is finally calling him out, and backing it up with investigative proof, on every lie he tells. I hope this is happening with all news sources of honor.
Scroll down, Hussein - there are many other things reported by the Times, appropriately 'below the fold', besides our existential crisis. But for now this must take center stage.
I also love that the Times is finally calling him out, and backing it up with investigative proof, on every lie he tells. I hope this is happening with all news sources of honor.
Scroll down, Hussein - there are many other things reported by the Times, appropriately 'below the fold', besides our existential crisis. But for now this must take center stage.
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You're in Iran. Can you imagine how much worse it is living here? My life is here. My family (extensive) are here. My doctors are here. I am not rich. I speak only a little Spanish. I wish I could leave until Trump is gone but I cannot afford to do so.
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Yes, but we need to know. We need to know so we can resist, we can protest, we can provoke our elected officials into doing something to rid us of this tyrant. However, we do NOT need to see his face plastered all over our tv screens and front pages. And we do need to know what else is going on the world.
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Where is the Times article about trump's regulatory order today. For every new regulation 2 need to be rescinded. This is arbitrary, capricious and outrageous. We do regulations by number now? As stupid as Herman Cain's ridiculous suggestion that laws can't be more than 3 pages long. Come on NY Times--this is important.
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we judge congress by the number of laws passed, not by the content of the laws themselves. Why should regulations be any different?
There are good laws and bad laws, just as there are good regulations and there are bad ones. Simply reducing either to a number and calling it good (or bad) is a waste of time.
There are good laws and bad laws, just as there are good regulations and there are bad ones. Simply reducing either to a number and calling it good (or bad) is a waste of time.
Thats the best of all his EOs. Every new regulation by a career civil servant, means an extra hoop which a productive citizen will need to jump to continue putting bread on table. Now the civil servant has some heavy lifting to do before he/she/ze passes another regulation, whose enforcement will further increase his/her/it/zer job security.
I am 65 and have cried twice during the presidential elections over the years - once in 2008 and once in 2016.
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If you cried in 2008 then you couldn't have cried in 2016 and vice versa. They are a direct contradiction.
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Karen - Jack could have been crying for joy in 2008.
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If he supported Clinton he cried both times. I only cried once, when she won the primary. Seeing what the Democrats wrought with her nomination I am now shaking.
Can you see it coming, Trump is raising the chances of a terrorist attack on our soil so he can unleash a massive military response just to prove how tough he can be. It's even possible tactical nuclear weapons will be used, I hope congress takes action to stop a madman from such a world changing, or world ending event.
He has already proven he wants to dictate, not lead, he is MAD.
He has already proven he wants to dictate, not lead, he is MAD.
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Hmm, if the populations covered in the EO are so volatile that a 90 day delay will lead to them bombing US, then it proves Trump's point. Doesn't it. In fact, if you seriously take your theory, then ban should extend to life instead of 90 days.
Barbarika, EO's "are so volatile", your words, not mine.
I will say Trump is not in a hurry, nor are imminent threats posed by these country's known, but he has sown the seeds of further anger, a motivating factor for all who would join the terrorist cause.
He is setting a bad tone with four more years of erratic actions.
I will say Trump is not in a hurry, nor are imminent threats posed by these country's known, but he has sown the seeds of further anger, a motivating factor for all who would join the terrorist cause.
He is setting a bad tone with four more years of erratic actions.
I wonder if ISIS and Al Qaeda thought about this before they started killing people? Didn't they consult with their fellows first?
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And how about the 30,000 murders committed by Americans every year, do the murderers consult with you first?
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Were they actually killing people before Trump instituted this ban?
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This is not my America. I traveled from coast to coast in this new America last night and heard several of my fellow Americans reacting to this news. We are gutted, and disenfranchised, and angry, and afraid. I don't recognize this country anymore, and it breaks my heart, and it hardens my heart, and it sits heavy on my heart. This is not my America.
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Nor my America either. What you describe is what propelled Trump to the WH. His supporters said exactly what you just said and he won. If we - the non-supporters keep our anger and continue to fight him tooth and nail then we will, in fact, be them in 2018 and 2020 and get Trump and his deplorable alt-right Republicans out! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!
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The majority of terrorism in this world is linked to the core tenets of the religion of Islam and its literal calls for jihad, martyrdom and death to infidels, non-believers and homosexuals.
It is intellectually unacceptable that criticism of Islam is labelled as "Islamaphobia" or "racism" in order to suppress that criticism. We must reassert our sense of collective adherence to principles of decent and responsible human interaction that enables us to openly discuss and criticise religious and political ideas without persecuting people.
We need to show Muslims that it is possible to criticise their religion but still treat them with respect and decency as human beings and remember that there are many Muslims striving to overcome the same obsolete dogma as well.
Social change is not achieved in a day.
The Jim Crow apartheid laws in the United States were struck down a mere 50 years ago and the struggle to end religious persecution of LGBT people goes on.
The deep story of the Renaissance and age of scientific enlightenment is that the west liberated itself, at least partly, from the darkness of dogmatic religious belief and feudal existence to build a society with much greater respect for science, the facts, the law, rational thought and educated and informed debate.
It is and will always be a work in progress.
The ignorance, dishonesty and lies emanating from the White House do not serve the arc of human progress well nor honour the struggles of generations past.
It is intellectually unacceptable that criticism of Islam is labelled as "Islamaphobia" or "racism" in order to suppress that criticism. We must reassert our sense of collective adherence to principles of decent and responsible human interaction that enables us to openly discuss and criticise religious and political ideas without persecuting people.
We need to show Muslims that it is possible to criticise their religion but still treat them with respect and decency as human beings and remember that there are many Muslims striving to overcome the same obsolete dogma as well.
Social change is not achieved in a day.
The Jim Crow apartheid laws in the United States were struck down a mere 50 years ago and the struggle to end religious persecution of LGBT people goes on.
The deep story of the Renaissance and age of scientific enlightenment is that the west liberated itself, at least partly, from the darkness of dogmatic religious belief and feudal existence to build a society with much greater respect for science, the facts, the law, rational thought and educated and informed debate.
It is and will always be a work in progress.
The ignorance, dishonesty and lies emanating from the White House do not serve the arc of human progress well nor honour the struggles of generations past.
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While I do not like the way this was rolled out, I am not sure (other than the green card holders) what the problem is here?
Foreign nationals have a "right" to come here?
The problem is that on one side, we have people somehow claiming that violating immigration law is perfectly OK (witness cities and universities declaring that they will 'protect' people from the immigration laws that they do not agree with). This position is incompatible with a law abiding society.
Once again, we are where we are because of the ridiculous excesses of 8 years of extreme liberal governance.
Foreign nationals have a "right" to come here?
The problem is that on one side, we have people somehow claiming that violating immigration law is perfectly OK (witness cities and universities declaring that they will 'protect' people from the immigration laws that they do not agree with). This position is incompatible with a law abiding society.
Once again, we are where we are because of the ridiculous excesses of 8 years of extreme liberal governance.
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Foreign nationals with valid visas (student visa, tourist visa, resident alien visa, refugee admission papers) were granted permission to enter the US before they boarded their plane headed here.
That is why rolling out something like this requires notice and coordination. It is not only about what is beinimplements it is telling to see how it was launched and sprung on the public for maximum drama and no regard for the disruption.
Cynical and exploitative.
That is why rolling out something like this requires notice and coordination. It is not only about what is beinimplements it is telling to see how it was launched and sprung on the public for maximum drama and no regard for the disruption.
Cynical and exploitative.
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You never seem to have been on student and worker visas. I have been on them. Issuance of visa does not guarantee admission. It is quite clear on visa forms. The officer at point of entry does the determination.
The White House's website appears to state that the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution (which guarantees due process of law, among other things) only applies to U.S. citizens (see https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/constitution). This is false. The Fifth Amendment unequivocally applies - and has been uniformly construed to apply - to all persons. That our executive branch could err on this most fundamental tenet of constitutional law and civil rights is appalling but unfortunately not surprising, given the bald deprivation of Fifth Amendment and other rights that took place at our nation's airports this weekend.
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It isn't "unequivocal" and since it's only "uniformly construed" to mean what you want it to mean, it can easily be "uniformly construed" to mean something else when times change.
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There have been quite a few edits on that site in the past few days, all of them telling.
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I don't care if we are a "nation of immigrants" -- times have changed, economics have changed and we presently have about 11 million illegal immigrants that have free hospital services and tailored school services, among other things, and they send 90% of their cash home to their country of origin. That said, we are already carrying our share of the load in this country.
The argument that they pay taxes is not true. Any contributions (if they have any withholding at all -- many are paid cash) to Social Security and Medicare withheld from their paychecks are immaterial compared to the Earned Income Credits they receive via a check each year for several thousand dollars from the IRS. In other words, our federal tax dollars pay these illegal immigrants to work here. If you lived in Texas you might sing a different song!
The argument that they pay taxes is not true. Any contributions (if they have any withholding at all -- many are paid cash) to Social Security and Medicare withheld from their paychecks are immaterial compared to the Earned Income Credits they receive via a check each year for several thousand dollars from the IRS. In other words, our federal tax dollars pay these illegal immigrants to work here. If you lived in Texas you might sing a different song!
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This has been denounced as a “stealth Muslim ban” by some of the very same people who were conspicuously silent when the Obama administration pushed Christians – who the most savagely persecuted minority in the Middle East, with only the Yazidis offering real competition — to the back of the migration line.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/kellyanne-conway-rages-against-...
To be clear - the worst thing about this EO is its lack of clarity, but the MSM is, as usual, largely to blame for that.
The selective, at times unhinged "resistance" to everything and anything Trump does [and I voted for Johnson] likely feels great to the Left - but it is setting a dangerous precedent.
No, the media is not being fair - it is doubling down on the spin and bias it had when trying to get career criminal Hillary Clinton elected.
and lest we forget Trump has not killed anyone with his actions.
Hillary has.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_...
As the Left goes beyond peaceful protest, to lawfare, and selective outrage - please bear in mind, that next time a Democrat is elected - you have absolutely set the table for "resistance" not only from the Right but from moderates.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/kellyanne-conway-rages-against-...
To be clear - the worst thing about this EO is its lack of clarity, but the MSM is, as usual, largely to blame for that.
The selective, at times unhinged "resistance" to everything and anything Trump does [and I voted for Johnson] likely feels great to the Left - but it is setting a dangerous precedent.
No, the media is not being fair - it is doubling down on the spin and bias it had when trying to get career criminal Hillary Clinton elected.
and lest we forget Trump has not killed anyone with his actions.
Hillary has.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_...
As the Left goes beyond peaceful protest, to lawfare, and selective outrage - please bear in mind, that next time a Democrat is elected - you have absolutely set the table for "resistance" not only from the Right but from moderates.
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325,000 arrived in the US yesterday. 109 were detained. Get a grip on your hysterics.
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And what about the thousands that are still waiting in countries around the world who are stuck at airports and in foreign countries? This is only one days activity and doesn't reflect all the folks who haven't flown yet.
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trump has shut down the White House phone, and is taking no calls, the coward.
So, here's another way around the bigot-in-chief.
https://whitehouseinc.org/
So, here's another way around the bigot-in-chief.
https://whitehouseinc.org/
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Where to begin? I could write a full blown 1500 character comment on any of these points...but I guess a summary will have to do:
1. The executive order is not "anti-Islam". That's a made-up narrative to paint this in the most negative light possible. There are dozens of predominately Muslim countries that the order does NOT impact.
2. The list of countries identified by the previous administration was used as a basis. If you want to curb potential terrorists from entering the U.S., then starting with an agreed-upon list of countries where this is an issue seems like a logical place to start.
3. The ban is TEMPORARY...we need to stop reacting as if this were a royal decree to last evermore.
4. All the references to "Give me your tired..." mantra is from a simpler time. Terrorists looking to blow up buildings wasn't a factor back then. The world has changed.
5. Yes, the Exec. Order wasn't fully thought through...but the President has some experience here. Often the most effective way is to enact an order and see where it fails, rather than dither for weeks in "what-if" scenarios.
6. A small number of people were unnecessarily impacted...apologies.
7. Legislators should know that they don't have special rights or access at the airport...they're citizens, not law enforcement. Congressmen can't just show up and make demands for special access to the manager of Dunkin Donuts, much less the TSA.
I could go on...
1. The executive order is not "anti-Islam". That's a made-up narrative to paint this in the most negative light possible. There are dozens of predominately Muslim countries that the order does NOT impact.
2. The list of countries identified by the previous administration was used as a basis. If you want to curb potential terrorists from entering the U.S., then starting with an agreed-upon list of countries where this is an issue seems like a logical place to start.
3. The ban is TEMPORARY...we need to stop reacting as if this were a royal decree to last evermore.
4. All the references to "Give me your tired..." mantra is from a simpler time. Terrorists looking to blow up buildings wasn't a factor back then. The world has changed.
5. Yes, the Exec. Order wasn't fully thought through...but the President has some experience here. Often the most effective way is to enact an order and see where it fails, rather than dither for weeks in "what-if" scenarios.
6. A small number of people were unnecessarily impacted...apologies.
7. Legislators should know that they don't have special rights or access at the airport...they're citizens, not law enforcement. Congressmen can't just show up and make demands for special access to the manager of Dunkin Donuts, much less the TSA.
I could go on...
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The good news is that Trump is not swayed by this amorphous outrage. It will take more than protestors to dissuade him from keeping his campaign pledges.
Sean Spicer did a nice job with gratuitous questions at the press conference today. The same is needed for many of Trump's accusers.
Sean Spicer did a nice job with gratuitous questions at the press conference today. The same is needed for many of Trump's accusers.
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With the stroke of a pen, legal residents are no longer protected by the laws that have been valid for legal residents for decades. Families are torn apart, maybe for ever. Parents who have been abroad on a business trip no longer can come back, and maybe never. Legal residents living here no longer can visit their aging parents, and their sibling living abroad cannot visit here. Separation, maybe forever. Even if this ban is only "temporary", this is of no help for all those stranded abroad, because green cards require that you never ever leave the country for more than 6 months. And what about jobs and homes, who cares for the family left behind in the US? What about the kids who are US citizens and either have to grow up here without a parent and money, or have to move to a country that is not their home, that they do not know, with a language they do not speak?
How many families of law-abiding legal residents will be destroyed by this executive order?
How many families of law-abiding legal residents will be destroyed by this executive order?
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Ripped apart forever?
People gave been killed for no reason except they were not members of a radical Islamic group. Dead is dead.
Separated for a while to keep me safer?
People gave been killed for no reason except they were not members of a radical Islamic group. Dead is dead.
Separated for a while to keep me safer?
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You're feeling unsafe in Atlanta ?
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There are always reasons and excuses for doing something. With the travel ban, the excuse to keep America safe; the reason was to exclude Muslims from countries that didn't do business with Trump.
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It appears obvious he is doing anything and everything to be as outrageous and law breaking as he can, to stir up civil unrest and disobedience so he has an excuse to declare martial law. Then ya'll really are screwed.
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I am actually surprised by the outrage expressed at the travel ban by many of NYTimes readers. It looks like they are detached from the mass who actually voted for the current president and have largely mischaracterized them.
Several years back I was a graduate student at a reputed university which had an excellent engineering program, but was located in middle-of-nowhere midwestern state. My fellow international graduate students and local populace had rather interesting and revealing interaction. To me it appeared, most of the people were unconcerned about Americas preeminence in science and technology and uninterested in the world class research happening literally few yards away from their doorsteps. One of their major concern was presence of international students, especially Asians, in the community and their possible intention to stay in US. They define Americans as somebody who looks like them and subscribes to their narrow interpretation of Christianity. Everybody else had to be viewed with suspicion and possibly barred from entering. It does not matter to them whether it will affect their country's capability to compete globally or compromises its global standing. I think these people are in charge and will implement their version of America. What's sad is that this group of people is not a minority, but a significant part of the population, who have the key to power. People lamenting this administration's policy need to realize, its reflecting wises of their base.
Several years back I was a graduate student at a reputed university which had an excellent engineering program, but was located in middle-of-nowhere midwestern state. My fellow international graduate students and local populace had rather interesting and revealing interaction. To me it appeared, most of the people were unconcerned about Americas preeminence in science and technology and uninterested in the world class research happening literally few yards away from their doorsteps. One of their major concern was presence of international students, especially Asians, in the community and their possible intention to stay in US. They define Americans as somebody who looks like them and subscribes to their narrow interpretation of Christianity. Everybody else had to be viewed with suspicion and possibly barred from entering. It does not matter to them whether it will affect their country's capability to compete globally or compromises its global standing. I think these people are in charge and will implement their version of America. What's sad is that this group of people is not a minority, but a significant part of the population, who have the key to power. People lamenting this administration's policy need to realize, its reflecting wises of their base.
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The masses did not vote for him! That's the problem!
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Um, yes they did. And if your side represents "the masses," why is you only control *five* out of fifty state governments.
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How many counties did Trump win? How many did Clinton win? Seems like a much larger portion of the country voted for Trump than did for Clinton. Really, if you remove the major metro areas, the entirety of the rest of the country voted for Trump more than Clinton.
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The intensity, scope of the protests are a frightening remainder of how far out of control US immigration policy has become. Over the years, America has allowed aliens to believe they (somehow) have a right to come to and live in America. Countless fiction (refugees) and their (church) sponsors allow these alien peoples to bypass the immigration process entirely. Moreover, the radical left politically correct open border non-sovereign mindset controls major media. Unless the Trump administration enforces immigration and borders, the US will soon cease to exist. Welcome home to nowhere..
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It's hard to know where to begin describing my reaction to this reprehensible order. But one of the most frightening parts of it was the refusal of Homeland Security to obey court orders, or even meet with Congressional representatives. I would have fully supported calling out the National Guard to force them to follow the court orders, just as we once had to do in Little Rock.
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I keep on bring up F.G.M. Where is everyone on this?
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No Protest has ever made me more proud to be an American citizen.
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The White House Spokesperson said that they are doing extreme vetting of the 109 persons who were detained. One of the detainees was a five year old Iranian boy who was finally released to his mother in Dallas, Texas. Tell me, what was the threat of a FIVE year old??? And Mr. Spicer said the system works very well. Sure well when you detain five year olds.
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The genius of the U.S. Constitution is on full display here: The checks and balances between the branches of government coupled with individual rights and liberties no branch of government can infringe upon is not something Trump can tweet himself out of.
Thanks to the quick action by federal judges in Boston, New York City and elsewhere the rule of law reigns supreme in the United States.
Signed christopheralberto.com
Thanks to the quick action by federal judges in Boston, New York City and elsewhere the rule of law reigns supreme in the United States.
Signed christopheralberto.com
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Instead of focusing upon appearances, Trump should spend time making sure that what he signs or proposes are likely to do as he intends. He needs to learn to think through problems to the second and third outcomes before he creates policies which are intended to be implemented over time. His advisors like Bannon, Flynn, and Kashner evidently cannot analyse problems thoroughly, so he needs to find people who do and to listen to them.
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Trump can't think anything through the first time.
Don't hold your breath on that one
amazing how in one week our country has turned in a fascist state. I'm not scared though because people are uniting against this right wing Christian theocracy. He is a true nut ball!!!
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Here's a travel tip for all Muslims planning a trip to the USA. Plunk a Make America Great Again cap on your head and carry a bible in your carry on.
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The only terrorists are the ones in the WH.
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Can't US marshalls force the TSA officers to follow a court order? Who has final authority?
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Maintaining face on the “special relationship” Prime Minister May rewarmed during last week’s visit, the British government keeps encouraging vulnerable nationals to risk traveling to the US:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/presidential-executive-order-on-inbou...
Would anyone in their right mind trust any assurances by the US government while the rules may be changing by the hour?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/presidential-executive-order-on-inbou...
Would anyone in their right mind trust any assurances by the US government while the rules may be changing by the hour?
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consistently crazy behavior...
how much longer, Republicans?
how much longer, Republicans?
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Until they/he can declare martial law. A bit more civil unrest in the streets, it won't be long. Ten days likely.
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Mr Trump,
I know, personally, recent refugee families from Iraq and Turkey and I can state as a fact that YOU are terrorizing them. These are loving, generous people who have come to the United States to be safe because they were under threat in their home countries. If you are the Christian you claim to be you would never countenance the actions of your administration toward people who wish to come to this country simoky to be safe and would, instead, be finding ways to admit more refugees. I understand that you don't read much. Nevertheless, I encourage you to take the time you devote to twitter and television to, instead, read about heroes like Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Surely this Wikipedia article won't take up too much of your time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
I know, personally, recent refugee families from Iraq and Turkey and I can state as a fact that YOU are terrorizing them. These are loving, generous people who have come to the United States to be safe because they were under threat in their home countries. If you are the Christian you claim to be you would never countenance the actions of your administration toward people who wish to come to this country simoky to be safe and would, instead, be finding ways to admit more refugees. I understand that you don't read much. Nevertheless, I encourage you to take the time you devote to twitter and television to, instead, read about heroes like Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Surely this Wikipedia article won't take up too much of your time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
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He doesn't know how to read.
Sad.
Sad.
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Again, than you New York Times, its readers, and its reporters, and the actual reportage of all the news surrounding President Trump's extreme vetting and 90-day ban for non- citizens with citizenship and traveling documentation from entering the country this past weekend.
My orientation is completely with the law. There was no legal notice given to anyone traveling into the US this past weekend that they might be detained or prohibited from entering the country. The law is the only non violent method to alive human suffering, generally.
What concerns me most is that I believe President Trump had planned this executive order long ago, prior to becoming President. My belief is grounded in facts available to the ACLU and the NYTIMES with a FOIA request to the United State's international airport's security and management. The planning of this disruptive and vicious action should be investigated; the communications the president elect made to airports in the US that are international should be scrutinized.
President Trump, I believe knew well in advance that such an executive order would create chaos in US homes, US corporations working in the US who employee foreign skilled workers, and the US military working abroad in Muslim countries.
Listen to what Senator John McCain stated. He possess military expertise and he knows that alienating and isolating Iraq now, places Iraq in greater peril from violent acts by ISIS/ISIL.
My orientation is completely with the law. There was no legal notice given to anyone traveling into the US this past weekend that they might be detained or prohibited from entering the country. The law is the only non violent method to alive human suffering, generally.
What concerns me most is that I believe President Trump had planned this executive order long ago, prior to becoming President. My belief is grounded in facts available to the ACLU and the NYTIMES with a FOIA request to the United State's international airport's security and management. The planning of this disruptive and vicious action should be investigated; the communications the president elect made to airports in the US that are international should be scrutinized.
President Trump, I believe knew well in advance that such an executive order would create chaos in US homes, US corporations working in the US who employee foreign skilled workers, and the US military working abroad in Muslim countries.
Listen to what Senator John McCain stated. He possess military expertise and he knows that alienating and isolating Iraq now, places Iraq in greater peril from violent acts by ISIS/ISIL.
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Mccain's military expertise is limited to exploiting his fathers history in remaining employed in forces in spite of serious errors, which would have gotten anyone else fired. Lately, his expertise is trying his level best for world war III. There is not a war on planet with Mccain has not liked.
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The most recent Michael Shear story in The Times really sharpens the focus for me on the motivation behind the mess. Bannon wanted to give Trump's base supporters a big surprise on the Saturday news. His model? Maybe the big ghastly surprise the 9/11 terrorists gave the world 16 years ago. So Bannon kept the plans for the sudden travel ban order a secret, intent on creating the chaos, again for the Trump base. It was an attack on travelers, terrorizing many of them — and it was all theater!
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Just now live from the WH "diplomats who don't like the ban can leave".
What exactly is the ban? I'm still confused. But don't bother giving me any unnecessary details, since the WH will have a newer version of who's in and who's out by this evening.
What exactly is the ban? I'm still confused. But don't bother giving me any unnecessary details, since the WH will have a newer version of who's in and who's out by this evening.
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Monday, January 30, 2017
Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
Similarly, 56% favor a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the government approves its ability to screen for likely terrorists. Thirty-two percent (32%) oppose this temporary ban, and 11% are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
Similarly, 56% favor a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the government approves its ability to screen for likely terrorists. Thirty-two percent (32%) oppose this temporary ban, and 11% are undecided.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
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Don't you realize that this is an invitation only party? Nobody here wants to hear that.
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Liberals are allergic to public opinion lately.
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Don't worry. The SCOTUS nominee should give them new reason to protest. Cue the next "crisis", outrage and end-of-civilization predictions.
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When Steve Bannon says "I’m a Leninist, Lenin, wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment", what else are we to expect? Chaos, despair and uncertainty. Exactly his plan. This is no way to run a Country.
It is pretty obvious who is controlling the puppet trump. trump does not have the intellectual capacity or curiosity to think for himself and bannon is the intellectual and malevolant genius behind the last week. Steve Bannon must be removed from the White House along with this madman who calls himself president, but is moving toward being a fascist dictator.
It is pretty obvious who is controlling the puppet trump. trump does not have the intellectual capacity or curiosity to think for himself and bannon is the intellectual and malevolant genius behind the last week. Steve Bannon must be removed from the White House along with this madman who calls himself president, but is moving toward being a fascist dictator.
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We don't need to be saved from "Muslims"; but we desperately need to be saved from Trump & Bannon.
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Americans who voted Trump have put an absolute idiot in the Oval Office. Don't be surprised when his idiotic executive orders catch up with him and fascistic Amerika he is out to create.
Americans will be paying a heavy price for putting this demagogue in office.
DD
Manhattan
Americans will be paying a heavy price for putting this demagogue in office.
DD
Manhattan
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He's at a private screening of "Finding Dory" while folks are being detained at airports around the world?
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Such complete idiocy and lying on the part of the left. First, it's not a ban on all Muslims - Second it's only a PAUSE for 90 -120 days, third it's nothing different than Obam did with Iraq and Carter did with Iran in 1979. It's certainly not illegal and is completely common sense. Sad the left, in their utter hatred of Trump, has policized the safety of Americans.
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It's not the same as what Obama and Carter did - they did not ban 200 million people from potentially immigrating to the US. Read the fine print. And don't believe everything you read on conservative fake news sites.
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Trump and the Republicans who supported this inhumane and illegal policy should be ashamed of themselves and should be taken to court. The Republicans who opposed this policy should be commended. Especially gratifying though, is the HUGE response from the American public to fight this absurd Muslim ban, an affront to traditional American values.
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The problem with the discussion on this E.O. is that it starts with the premise the Democrats are upset with the order. The Democrats are using this issue to attack President Trump because they lost. The E.O. is a legal order and focuses on the same countries Obama focused on. The E.O. is also based on the same law that both President Obama and Carter used when they took similar action. The Democrats just hate President Trump. Here is the law in case you want to read it.
Section 212(e) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Section 212(e) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
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The action wasn't similar - read the fine print. Total spin by conversative fake news sites.
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Cant we just park this idiot-president in a Claires Boutique for the next 4 years, where all the small, shiny things will keep him occupied. Otherwise, hes a threat to everybody and everything.
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Unfortunately Republicans are doing a version of that, they're distracting Trump with toys like bigotry, sexism etc. while they go about dismantling our country.
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OK, for all the "NY Times is a leftist rag" and "lefties are unAmerican" groupies (not sure why you upset yourselves reading the New York Times since you regard it as unreliable, biased and fake; but nevertheless, here goes):
There's just no way to put a positive spin on this. At the very least, Mr. Trump didn't run his executive order by legal or brainstorm with those involved in implementing it.
My son-in-law works for a large corporation. Before they put out any promotional or informational material, they run it by their legal department. Is the promotion fair to all customers? Can they realistically deliver on the promotion being offered? Is the information in line with previous communications? What is the time frame in which the promotion will be valid? Is the promotion legal (as in, for instance, not gambling in any give-away type promotion)? Does the promotion or information conflict with previous promotions/communications, etc.? Have employees been briefed prior to public release? Has a press release been prepared?
That's why you have a legal department. Mr. Trump has the entire Department of Justice, Homeland Security, etc. at his disposal. They're getting paid anyway. He might as well use them.
So, even if you agree with Mr. Trump one thousand percent, the rollout was poorly implemented. Or, it was designed to create chaos, which would be even more disturbing. Either way, Mr. Trump owns it. (And, probably, Mr. Bannon.)
There's just no way to put a positive spin on this. At the very least, Mr. Trump didn't run his executive order by legal or brainstorm with those involved in implementing it.
My son-in-law works for a large corporation. Before they put out any promotional or informational material, they run it by their legal department. Is the promotion fair to all customers? Can they realistically deliver on the promotion being offered? Is the information in line with previous communications? What is the time frame in which the promotion will be valid? Is the promotion legal (as in, for instance, not gambling in any give-away type promotion)? Does the promotion or information conflict with previous promotions/communications, etc.? Have employees been briefed prior to public release? Has a press release been prepared?
That's why you have a legal department. Mr. Trump has the entire Department of Justice, Homeland Security, etc. at his disposal. They're getting paid anyway. He might as well use them.
So, even if you agree with Mr. Trump one thousand percent, the rollout was poorly implemented. Or, it was designed to create chaos, which would be even more disturbing. Either way, Mr. Trump owns it. (And, probably, Mr. Bannon.)
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Trump and his minions are all traitors to this nation. Every one of them. Add McConnell and Ryan to that group. They should all be arrested, charged and tried.
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Trump is bludgeoning the decent senses out of America. He is setting a dangerous precedent with his incompetence packaged as "Successful Businessman". Repeal, Redo, Revote whatever it takes.
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This should not come as a surprise to anyone. Trump made this promise many months ago on the campaign trail. Was half the country not listening? Too distracted by his theatrics perhaps. Nevertheless, we need to fight our new fascist leader at every step for the next four years or else we will loose all the progress we have made as a country.
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I'm sure half the Trump supporters are cheering against muslims the same way they did during the election. And half of them are likely regretting whom they voter for. Let's hope these idiots realize their mistake and vote for Democrats in midterms and 2020
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@Mark,
"And half of them are likely regretting whom they voter for."
Check the latest poll.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
"And half of them are likely regretting whom they voter for."
Check the latest poll.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
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@Mark,
"Let's hope these idiots ... vote for Democrats in midterms and 2020"
And what happens if there is more smart people around?
"Let's hope these idiots ... vote for Democrats in midterms and 2020"
And what happens if there is more smart people around?
Mark:
Trump supporter here. I know no one who is "cheering against Muslims." The only people pushing the anti-Muslim angle are liberals and democrats. Then, in the next breath, they are complaining that Muslims will be offended.
Gee, ya think?
Trump supporter here. I know no one who is "cheering against Muslims." The only people pushing the anti-Muslim angle are liberals and democrats. Then, in the next breath, they are complaining that Muslims will be offended.
Gee, ya think?
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We should prosecute the federal officers enforcing this illegal order.
"Just following orders," is no excuse.
"Just following orders," is no excuse.
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We should allow in any Muslims who assisted American soldiers during these misguided wars in the Middle East (supported by both political parties), but no immigrant has any 'right' to emigrate to our country.
We, not immigrants, must decide on an immigration policy based on what benefits our country. The bottom line is that we have absolutely no need now - or ever - of even more uneducated low skilled people. Or religious nuts. We have more than enough of both homegrown, especially since that often goes hand in hand.
(And what is with the Left's denigrating Christian Fundamentalist religions, while fetishizing Islam, the worst of the lot when it comes to women's rights?)
We, not immigrants, must decide on an immigration policy based on what benefits our country. The bottom line is that we have absolutely no need now - or ever - of even more uneducated low skilled people. Or religious nuts. We have more than enough of both homegrown, especially since that often goes hand in hand.
(And what is with the Left's denigrating Christian Fundamentalist religions, while fetishizing Islam, the worst of the lot when it comes to women's rights?)
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Sean Spicer basically said as much today. But he also said that their presence doesn't mean that we can be any less careful. No one is worth risking our security.
Obama has suddenly found his distaste for discriminating against people on the basis of their religious beliefs. I'm sure the Little Sisters of the Poor will be elated.
Obama has suddenly found his distaste for discriminating against people on the basis of their religious beliefs. I'm sure the Little Sisters of the Poor will be elated.
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AACNY - No one prohibited the Little Sisters of the Poor from practicing their religion, they simply aren't allowed to insert their faith into public policy. Ever hear of something called Separation of Church and State?
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Aren't basically all Syrian and Iraqi citizens refugees because of the crisis there? If would be chaotic if they all tried to migrate to America or Europe around the same time. And the American immigration office is probably already strained. Maybe we'll just lift the ban after summer so I think we should relax. Maybe the government can find a way to fund everything in the meantime. Isn't this a way to make sure all those refugees first try to immigrate to surrounding countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia or stable rich Muslim countries instead of relocating them to the western communities where they aren't really welcome? Unless you live in rich, multicultural communities in the US, we all live pretty much in social isolation with everyone so I'm not sure if we can handle the immigrants who may become terrorists. We don't have a supportive community for everyone yet. We've had our share of violence from extremists who were social outcasts. The clash of culture will happen and has been happening for a while. Those with families already here will be okay, I think. Just calm down and relax before protesting at the airport and stopping all traffic. The affected folks have a right to worry, but remember, the only thing to fear is fear itself and that goes both ways. Yelling at the president and his officials wouldn't do much to actually accomplish understanding.
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The Bannon/Trump strategy is to fatigue Americans with their “order out of chaos” doctrine. After a few months, when everyone is tired - on a Prozac, whisky, and Aspirin diet - they will keep your heads spinning with the passage of draconian laws at lightning speed but, by that time, you will be too weak to fight back and the lack of push-back will create a sense of normalcy. Evil geniuses. They don’t care about protests, petitions, laments or even the law. They have a plan and are wearing blinders to get there.
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I begin to wonder if T did this to draw attention away from is National Security Council (NSC) shakeup. Not sure removing Joint Chief's direct involvement, and putting Bannon on there, won't more than negate any security improvements that even might result from the travel ban.
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I'm wondering why the NYT isn't drawing more attention to this and why the brief article they have on this topic doesn't allow comments.
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The NSC changes are based on Trump's personal preferences. I realize this is anathema to his critics, but there you have it. No secret plot. No hidden meaning.
I'm sure it will made into a very big issue, of course.
I'm sure it will made into a very big issue, of course.
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I am well aware that we have had some terrorism committed in this country by people who were Muslims.
The Boston Marathon bombers were Muslims, or at least the older brother was. They were here legally, left here when their parents returned to their country of origin, a country that is not on the president's ban list.
The 9/11 terrorists were Muslims mostly from Saudi Arabia which is not on the president's ban list. They had spent years in Germany. They entered the US through Canada specfically to perpetrate the terrorist plot devised by Osama bin Laden (who was finally assasinated under orders of President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton). There were no Iraqis among the 9/11 terrorists but the first country our president then attacked after 9/11 was Iraq.
The suicide pilot who was Muslim and who killed an entire plane load of people by plunging the jet into the Atlantic Ocean after taking off from an East Coast airport, a terrorist act, was from Egypt which is not on the president's ban list.
The point I am making is that any ban should be fact based, not haphazard. If our president is going to ban countries, he needs to ignore his business interests in a country. Where his businesses are located should have no weight on whether a country is banned. If he is going to ban countries that are the source of Muslim terrorists, then Saudi Arabia and Egypt should be at the top of the list. Especially since the wealthy Saudis are funding it.
The Boston Marathon bombers were Muslims, or at least the older brother was. They were here legally, left here when their parents returned to their country of origin, a country that is not on the president's ban list.
The 9/11 terrorists were Muslims mostly from Saudi Arabia which is not on the president's ban list. They had spent years in Germany. They entered the US through Canada specfically to perpetrate the terrorist plot devised by Osama bin Laden (who was finally assasinated under orders of President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton). There were no Iraqis among the 9/11 terrorists but the first country our president then attacked after 9/11 was Iraq.
The suicide pilot who was Muslim and who killed an entire plane load of people by plunging the jet into the Atlantic Ocean after taking off from an East Coast airport, a terrorist act, was from Egypt which is not on the president's ban list.
The point I am making is that any ban should be fact based, not haphazard. If our president is going to ban countries, he needs to ignore his business interests in a country. Where his businesses are located should have no weight on whether a country is banned. If he is going to ban countries that are the source of Muslim terrorists, then Saudi Arabia and Egypt should be at the top of the list. Especially since the wealthy Saudis are funding it.
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Has it ever occurred to Mr. Trump to think before he speaks? This lashing out at everyone is really dangerous on so many levels, not just economically. Boy do I miss the dignity and restraint of the Obama administration. These people have no class.
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None of these executive orders should come as any surprise to anyone with a brain capable of critical thinking and eyes in their head. But the rapidity of these vile actions, coming one on top of the next, gives those of us resisting with little time to focus and direct our energies. Just one week in and it's beyond belief how quickly the damage is being done. And of course it will intensify and get worse.
I see only two hopes. One, the court system and two, the voices of those resisting. These are the sticks that will beat back this rising tide of fascism in the US. If, along the way, we pick up a brave, patriotic republican Senator or 3, we may have a chance. Otherwise, we are going through the looking glass to the other side. And this alternate universe is not simply the alt-right, but the alt-Reich.
I see only two hopes. One, the court system and two, the voices of those resisting. These are the sticks that will beat back this rising tide of fascism in the US. If, along the way, we pick up a brave, patriotic republican Senator or 3, we may have a chance. Otherwise, we are going through the looking glass to the other side. And this alternate universe is not simply the alt-right, but the alt-Reich.
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Great and encouraging to see conscientious Republicans stand up to Trump, our wild, bungling egomaniac of a president.
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This story, deplorable and as it is, and purposefully divisive, was created by the Trumps to divert from the larger concurrent issue: Steve Bannon appointed to the NSC, ejecting military and intelligence at the same time. In the new regime it seems the Minister of Propaganda can set policy. Seen this before.
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This fellow clearly doesn't know what he's doing. A presidential problem. Our problem.
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I know it's an utter shock - but he's actually fulfilling his campaign promises. What a concept! Oh, and Obama and Carter did EXACTLY the same thing with no big outcry. What he's doing is 100% legal and has been done before. Hysterics and emotion and hate (of Trump) is all this is about.
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Um lets talk facts: Your previous examples are not the same thing. Both of those times they were done with more checks and balances and processes in place that did not disrupt people who were already previously vetted and it was done in a way that didn't insult or hurt an entire religion. Jimmy Carter did what he did because of the Iran hostage crisis: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/dec/17/why-trumps-musl...
As far as Obama: Per Foreign Policy: Contrary to Trump’s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not “ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” For one thing, refugees don’t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time, and there was not a single month in which no Iraqis arrived here. In other words, while there were delays in processing, there was no outright ban.
3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees, still the only terrorism-related arrests out of about 130,000 Iraqi refugees and SIV holders admitted to the United States.
As far as Obama: Per Foreign Policy: Contrary to Trump’s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not “ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” For one thing, refugees don’t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time, and there was not a single month in which no Iraqis arrived here. In other words, while there were delays in processing, there was no outright ban.
3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees, still the only terrorism-related arrests out of about 130,000 Iraqi refugees and SIV holders admitted to the United States.
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I am so sad that my fellow Americans - desiring a political shake up - can and do cheer an executive branch action that has created a constitutional crisis less than two weeks after the inauguration. How bittersweet that 44 was a constitutional law scholar.
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In the Gospel, the Pharisees and Sadducees (leaders in the Jewish community) are constantly struggling to understand that Jesus didn't just come for the Jews but for the Gentiles, too. They are always harping on about the ways in which the Gentiles are different, or seem to be doing it wrong. They don't ritually wash their hands. They don't circumcise their children. Some are sinners. In response, Jesus tells them over and over that they just don't get it. Serving God as Jesus defines it has nothing to do with how you wash your hands and everything to do with how you love others. I do not understand how Christians who have read the Gospel can possibly be in support of this ban. As we hear in Matthew 35, the one who does not welcome the stranger does not welcome Christ. All Christians should be rallying to the aid of our Muslim brothers and sisters in order to help them find refuge and safety for their families. To do otherwise is denial of the Gospel message, plain and simple.
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@ Nora
Well said!!!
Well said!!!
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Find out how it has been going for Arab christians lately. They along with other non-muslim minorities in middle east are the only genuine refugees.
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So according to interpreter's legal guide, Trump was neither totally right nor totally wrong in his order. That sounds about right, because nothing ever is.
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This is getting crazier by the minute. When did Democrats, for the sake of 500 or so refugees, start putting the entire country on hold...disrupting airports, blocking law offices, blocking streets, causing traffic? All for refugees? Where were these protesting morons when social workers were struggling to get funds to resettle refugees from Vietnam, Laos, Bosnia, Serbia, Rwanda, Congo...? Many of these protesters could not locate the seven countries on the ban on a map. Lets call it what it is , "Anti Trump Pro Islamic Pro Democratic Pro Israeli Interests Protest,,,".
If Trump and his team sometimes sound like blithering blathering babbling prattling morons (on this matter), the protesters sound like "passion without clarity, rebellion without a cause, resistance for some hidden agenda and revolt for theater and drama".
We have become a country of tyrants and idiots. Officially we have imported all the Middle East nonsense, and slowly devolving into a Middle East country.
Better call the State troops and start drawing regional boundaries. We are definitely going to split three ways...with sectarian violence on New York streets.
This is crazy...
If Trump and his team sometimes sound like blithering blathering babbling prattling morons (on this matter), the protesters sound like "passion without clarity, rebellion without a cause, resistance for some hidden agenda and revolt for theater and drama".
We have become a country of tyrants and idiots. Officially we have imported all the Middle East nonsense, and slowly devolving into a Middle East country.
Better call the State troops and start drawing regional boundaries. We are definitely going to split three ways...with sectarian violence on New York streets.
This is crazy...
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Do you really think Trump won't turn on American citizens when he's done harming refugees?
When Trump offered to pay the legal fees for anyone who would assault protestors, he was advocating physical harm of American citizens. Wake up and get a clue.
When Trump offered to pay the legal fees for anyone who would assault protestors, he was advocating physical harm of American citizens. Wake up and get a clue.
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Too ignorant to know, too arrogant to ask. That apparently is the new Administration's approach to policy making. Look for further disasters.
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To the people on it, a sinking ship is a disaster. To the fish below, the wreckage becomes a new home. Everything is relative, remember. In the end, everything probably averages out. Be patient.
Agreed on all points. :)
I am very afraid of the Trump administration on many levels, but I think we in the resistance movement need to separate the wheat from the chaff in our reactions. The executive order itself is not so alarming to me. It is a short-term travel ban (except for Syrian refugees) with the intent of reviewing and strengthening the screening of travelers from some (but not all) high-risk countries. As a national security measure, that is not outrageous. What is outrageous is how it was enacted, with no warning to travelers and pre-screened refugees and apparently without the full knowledge of those agencies tasked with advising or enforcement. This botched rollout created confusion and chaos needlessly and threw our relations with Muslim countries into turmoil. It signifies that the Trump administration is either grossly inept or purposefully creating chaos and provoking protests. If it is the latter, we in the opposition need to watch carefully what comes next.
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Was the short term travel ban even necessary?
Sure, Trump campaigned on the idea of extreme vetting. But he presupposed, without providing evidence, that the vetting already done was lacking. In fact, the Obama Administration had singled out those countries for enhanced vetting because of increased terrorism activity.
So it is possible and even probable that, at most, some tweaking to the vetting may be necessary.
But Mr. Bull in a China Shop forges ahead impulsively and shoots himself and the rest of us in the foot.
Trump made many outlandish claims and promises to get elected. Once elected, you would hope the guy realizes the responsibility to act with thought and care. Not off to a good start.
Sure, Trump campaigned on the idea of extreme vetting. But he presupposed, without providing evidence, that the vetting already done was lacking. In fact, the Obama Administration had singled out those countries for enhanced vetting because of increased terrorism activity.
So it is possible and even probable that, at most, some tweaking to the vetting may be necessary.
But Mr. Bull in a China Shop forges ahead impulsively and shoots himself and the rest of us in the foot.
Trump made many outlandish claims and promises to get elected. Once elected, you would hope the guy realizes the responsibility to act with thought and care. Not off to a good start.
This notion is a gross misunderstanding of the situation, and law.
Take just one aspect of the executive order, where valid Green Card holders, (and holders of other valid visas) were detained or sent back upon entry without notification. Foreign born, current or former Green Card holders, former students etc, who may now be citizens, in this country probably rank in the 10's of millions contributing disproportionately (far more than the native born) to the economy on a per capita basis (that is to your current well being, just so we are clear), with total value to the United States definitely well north of trillions of dollars annually.
How arrogant is it for anyone to summarily jettison their due process rights without any specific, not the slightest suspicion of illegal activity, these who were going about lawful business, in which they entered into what were supposed to be valid contracts, on the honor and tradition of this country, with the United States Government for "Permanent Residency", and just like that when they are in the air back home to their husbands, wives, children, they get to the airport and they are seized, or summarily sent back to foreign nations where they may not have made homes for decades prior?
Such a mind that contemplates such clear injustice irrespective of whatever legal wiggle room they may think they have will very soon trample on your own rights. Do not think you are safe, whatever category you may count yourself.
Take just one aspect of the executive order, where valid Green Card holders, (and holders of other valid visas) were detained or sent back upon entry without notification. Foreign born, current or former Green Card holders, former students etc, who may now be citizens, in this country probably rank in the 10's of millions contributing disproportionately (far more than the native born) to the economy on a per capita basis (that is to your current well being, just so we are clear), with total value to the United States definitely well north of trillions of dollars annually.
How arrogant is it for anyone to summarily jettison their due process rights without any specific, not the slightest suspicion of illegal activity, these who were going about lawful business, in which they entered into what were supposed to be valid contracts, on the honor and tradition of this country, with the United States Government for "Permanent Residency", and just like that when they are in the air back home to their husbands, wives, children, they get to the airport and they are seized, or summarily sent back to foreign nations where they may not have made homes for decades prior?
Such a mind that contemplates such clear injustice irrespective of whatever legal wiggle room they may think they have will very soon trample on your own rights. Do not think you are safe, whatever category you may count yourself.
As someone on various visas and green card, it has always been clear to me reading the fine print, that they do not guarentee unquestioned entry into US. In fact for student and work visas (F1 and H1), the immigration officer on airport has wide latitude in determining entry. The fact that Obama ran roughshod on law, and Trump is setting a clear and legal policy seems like a shock to liberals, who didn't raise a peep when their Dictator was in charge. All that outrage for a few hundred temporarily delayed immigrants, and silence when nobel laurate with Hillary, destroyed middle east over 8 years.
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What an utter mess. Now Israel and Britain are trying to sort through the Confusion: According to Israeli News sites- it is trying to determine the status of approximately 140, 000 Israelis( born in the seven banned Countries), where the ban applies to them. Britain has had to seek clarification for Somalian born British Resident Soccer star Mo-Farah. The problem seems to be the lack of clarification in Trump's Order; what constitutes citizenship? Is it the Nation of one's birth, current nation of residence or race and ethnicity? In the mean time; A Somali-born Refugee having languished in a Camp in Kenya for nine years- granted clearance to settle in the U.S,( days before the order) is now stuck. Yet we are told how "smoothly" the operation has gone.
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Name me any president in U.S. history who so quickly plunged our USA into chaos. Trump stands alone, showing all who he is, naked.
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That is not a pretty sight.
Finally, someone who keeps his campaign promises! What a concept! The chaos is being created not by Trump but by the left wingers and their accomplices in the media.
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Yikes! that's an image I could do without.
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It will not be too long before he is roaming the halls of the white house, eating dog biscuits and speaking to the pictures of past presidents. And his henchmen will end up in jail, ultimately to write books about being born-again. And nobody will remain to proudly declare that they voted for him. Sad.
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Best possible scenario.
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the shocking ignorance and hypocrisy of this administration portents far worse things to come. If trump and bannon were serious about protection they would recognize the the bad should be first on the wahabbis of saudi arabia- the greatest supporters of al qaedi and daesh but, of course, if a business partner of the gop is involved they get immunity. Now trump and bannon can turn their attention to killing dodd-frank and precipitating the next gop-lead (as usual) recession. Idiots.
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When I lift the covers on bannon's idea that Christians have been globally and markedly persecuted, while it's reported in columns of the NYT that such cases are rare when compared to facts, I look closer at where this argument could land. As the protests become louder, saying that the numbers for Christian persecutions just aren't there, the argument will shift. The bannon presidency will then say that liberals are attacking US Christians as a means to turn us against each other, a clear divide and conquer technique as a prerequisite to imposing more restrictive rule.
The argument will shift to Christians in the US as a way to impose religious rule over our nation under the guise of religious freedom. They've already started the US Christians are persecuted build-up with: the false "war" on Christmas; the false "war" on the threat to Christian marriage with those pro-LGBT policies that are "shoved down our throats" (a purposeful analogy!); and the false "war" on Christian civil liberties with those left-wing policies such as having medical decisions between a woman and her doctor.
Take the 30,000 foot level view of how quickly bannon imposed the Muslim ban-under the cloak of night. That's how fast you can expect that when you wake-up next "Tuesday" you may find that that your civil liberties are disappeared.
The argument will shift to Christians in the US as a way to impose religious rule over our nation under the guise of religious freedom. They've already started the US Christians are persecuted build-up with: the false "war" on Christmas; the false "war" on the threat to Christian marriage with those pro-LGBT policies that are "shoved down our throats" (a purposeful analogy!); and the false "war" on Christian civil liberties with those left-wing policies such as having medical decisions between a woman and her doctor.
Take the 30,000 foot level view of how quickly bannon imposed the Muslim ban-under the cloak of night. That's how fast you can expect that when you wake-up next "Tuesday" you may find that that your civil liberties are disappeared.
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OK - the Assyrians of Iran who are Christian, and the original Babylonians, were and are persecuted in IRAN, so are the Sufis and other non Muslims in IRAN. They are truly persecuted.
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Pre US intervention in Iraq, Christians held prominent positions in Iraqi state (remember Tariq Aziz). Same in pre Arab spring Egypt. Lately after 8 years of chaos, show me christian politicians in Iraq. Look at the violence against christians in all ISIS held areas, where they have been eliminated or driven away.
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Thank you for your clarifications. I do not disagree and do not condone that historically Christians are persecuted in the Middle East (and elsewhere). I intended no callous attitude toward Christian persecutions. My alarm and point of view is on what the argument means for the long-term horizon for public policy in the United States.
I believe bannon will use the global argument to engender public support for imposing controls here, in order to keep me safe. He's already working on delegitimizing the media (opposition party; media shut up). I believe the fraud investigation will result in voter suppression. I believe we will see a full court press toward dismantling our political systems right before our eyes.
I believe bannon will use the global argument to engender public support for imposing controls here, in order to keep me safe. He's already working on delegitimizing the media (opposition party; media shut up). I believe the fraud investigation will result in voter suppression. I believe we will see a full court press toward dismantling our political systems right before our eyes.
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"Muslim ban" is the poster child and example A of the definition of fake news.
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Democrats purposely claiming this should be voted out. Instead of tormenting Muslims further, they should be helping them with the facts and to understand how this does or does not affect them.
Riling up Muslims is the lowest form of democratic pandering.
Riling up Muslims is the lowest form of democratic pandering.
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It has thrust the nine-day-old administration into its first constitutional conflict,
How is this a constitutional conflict?
I know in the eyes of the NYT and their liberal followers this executive order is an outrage. How could President Trump do such a thing to all these innocent travelers, bla bla bla.
The fact is the President of the U S A, through the Government of the U S A, has the authority through to enforce the laws of the U S A. The primary oath sworn to by ALL elected officials is to protect and defend the constitution of the USA.
Our immigration laws have been overlooked and abused over the years that the majority of Americans don't know what is required by these laws. Our POTUS TRUMP is finally taking a look at these past abuses and is paving a path to correct them. By the way, one of those little hidden clauses in our immigration laws stipulates that the Government can rescind "ANY VISA, GREEN CARD, etc" at their discretion.
Nothing in our constitution guarantees foreigners/visitors a right to stay here without our approval.
By the way Chuckie, do you need more kleenex for those fake tears.
How is this a constitutional conflict?
I know in the eyes of the NYT and their liberal followers this executive order is an outrage. How could President Trump do such a thing to all these innocent travelers, bla bla bla.
The fact is the President of the U S A, through the Government of the U S A, has the authority through to enforce the laws of the U S A. The primary oath sworn to by ALL elected officials is to protect and defend the constitution of the USA.
Our immigration laws have been overlooked and abused over the years that the majority of Americans don't know what is required by these laws. Our POTUS TRUMP is finally taking a look at these past abuses and is paving a path to correct them. By the way, one of those little hidden clauses in our immigration laws stipulates that the Government can rescind "ANY VISA, GREEN CARD, etc" at their discretion.
Nothing in our constitution guarantees foreigners/visitors a right to stay here without our approval.
By the way Chuckie, do you need more kleenex for those fake tears.
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The Emoluments Clause is now in play. He's arguing he did this because of 9/11, and then ignores the nations whose citizens were responsible for that attack. He's got property interests there. There you go, deflate that football.
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Except the people who were detained did and do have a right to be here.
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We already have an extremely thorough vetting process. Takes average of 18 to 24 months to get a visa. Tons of interviews and background checks. Each applicant run through databases of all intel agencies plus social media checks. Very small number of applicants accepted. And the 9/11 hijackers? We didn't ban their country of origin (Saudi Arabia).
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Facists love to create conflict and chaos which they did with the immigration "ban" on Friday/Saturday....political theatre at its worst. I suspect the real reason was to mask Bannon's new "seat and vote" on the National Security Council. As follows:
"In one of three executive actions Saturday, President Trump reshuffled the National Security Council to include his chief strategist, Stephen Bannon, and limited the roles of the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff."
"The memorandum makes the chief strategist a regular attendee of the principals committee, the Cabinet-level interagency forum that deals with policy issues affecting national security. For Bannon, the Washington outsider who ran the conservative website Breitbart News, it's another area of federal government in which he will have influence."
"In one of three executive actions Saturday, President Trump reshuffled the National Security Council to include his chief strategist, Stephen Bannon, and limited the roles of the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff."
"The memorandum makes the chief strategist a regular attendee of the principals committee, the Cabinet-level interagency forum that deals with policy issues affecting national security. For Bannon, the Washington outsider who ran the conservative website Breitbart News, it's another area of federal government in which he will have influence."
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Let's not let the other end of the dirty stick off the hook.
Lenin's Cheka were quite good at turning Russians against themselves, too. They insisted one had to steel their hearts against the enemies within or be seen as one of them. Between 800 and thousands who objected to Bolshevism were slaughtered by the budding GPU who like to hack us, too.
Let's not forget Bannon doesn't discriminate when stealing reprehensible propaganda from either end of the dirt stick.
Lenin's Cheka were quite good at turning Russians against themselves, too. They insisted one had to steel their hearts against the enemies within or be seen as one of them. Between 800 and thousands who objected to Bolshevism were slaughtered by the budding GPU who like to hack us, too.
Let's not forget Bannon doesn't discriminate when stealing reprehensible propaganda from either end of the dirt stick.
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If this is not about discriminating against people's country of origin, ethnicity and religious beliefs what's it all about then, the rolling out of a generic Police State where laws are decreed by diktat and arbitrarily applied and selectively enforced and where the authorities can do what they darn well please to whom they want when they want?
What if they don't like you exercising your human and constitutional rights and freedoms? You'll be considered a free-speech troublemaker that's surveiled and worse, beaten or tossed in jail like Martin Luther King and John Lewis all over again? You'll be accused of being a commie or a lover of certain ethnicities and religions beside your own?
Didn't we go through authoritarian nonsense like this 50+ years ago during the civil rights movement? The ethnicity of the oppressive official(s) like a new-wave Bull Connor barking the orders is as generally expected only the ethnicities of their enforcers on the street and in the airports has become more multi-cultural? Is this really progress, when those enforcing unjust laws become more multi-cultural?
The West including the USA should do a better job overseas with foreign relations and in the peaceful assisting of nation building of the poorer nations by sharing knowledge and technology rather than creating refugee crises by fanning regional tensions and engaging in warfare. Where's the promise of George Bush Sr's New World Order gone to after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the USSR?
What if they don't like you exercising your human and constitutional rights and freedoms? You'll be considered a free-speech troublemaker that's surveiled and worse, beaten or tossed in jail like Martin Luther King and John Lewis all over again? You'll be accused of being a commie or a lover of certain ethnicities and religions beside your own?
Didn't we go through authoritarian nonsense like this 50+ years ago during the civil rights movement? The ethnicity of the oppressive official(s) like a new-wave Bull Connor barking the orders is as generally expected only the ethnicities of their enforcers on the street and in the airports has become more multi-cultural? Is this really progress, when those enforcing unjust laws become more multi-cultural?
The West including the USA should do a better job overseas with foreign relations and in the peaceful assisting of nation building of the poorer nations by sharing knowledge and technology rather than creating refugee crises by fanning regional tensions and engaging in warfare. Where's the promise of George Bush Sr's New World Order gone to after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the USSR?
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Are you completely unfamiliar with US immigration policy? You might want to do a little research.
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You might want to apply critical analysis to the order in order to understand what is going on.
What do those countries have in common? All but one do not have functioning government control over large swaths of land within their borders. How is the US supposed to get background information on people from a government that doesn't function? The exception is Iran, which has been violating UN resolutions against nuclear proliferation and the spirit of the awful deal Obama made with them.
"West including the USA should do a better job ... of nation building of the poorer nations"
You must not have spent much time in poor countries. I have. It is arrogant to believe poor countries want our help. They will take our money as long as a big chunk of it stays in the pockets of the politicians and bureaucrats, but the people in charge have no desire to change things. They are relatively rich, and often incredibly rich (Soeharto, Marcos, Qaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Clinton) due to corruption, and that is exactly how they want it to be.
Countries are poor for one reason: They are corrupt from top to bottom. Anyone who wishes to do business or charity must pay for the privilege of spending/giving away money. It is typically 15% to 25%, but I have heard of one ngo that lost 70% of its charity funds before it got to its intended use.
What do those countries have in common? All but one do not have functioning government control over large swaths of land within their borders. How is the US supposed to get background information on people from a government that doesn't function? The exception is Iran, which has been violating UN resolutions against nuclear proliferation and the spirit of the awful deal Obama made with them.
"West including the USA should do a better job ... of nation building of the poorer nations"
You must not have spent much time in poor countries. I have. It is arrogant to believe poor countries want our help. They will take our money as long as a big chunk of it stays in the pockets of the politicians and bureaucrats, but the people in charge have no desire to change things. They are relatively rich, and often incredibly rich (Soeharto, Marcos, Qaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Clinton) due to corruption, and that is exactly how they want it to be.
Countries are poor for one reason: They are corrupt from top to bottom. Anyone who wishes to do business or charity must pay for the privilege of spending/giving away money. It is typically 15% to 25%, but I have heard of one ngo that lost 70% of its charity funds before it got to its intended use.
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“Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III”, Mr. Trump tweeted.
That's right. Starting World War III is Donald's job.
That's right. Starting World War III is Donald's job.
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A blitz of horribles. A stream of one-two punches extending domestically and around the world. Endless propaganda (e.g., lies via "alternative facts," demonization of the media, more lies, constant question evading, utter disrespect for our democratic institutions and the immigrants who make our country great).
These are just a fraction of the epic distraction maneuvers designed to manipulate the media and the people. We must keep the pressure on ALL fronts -- not just what is directly in front of us!
These are just a fraction of the epic distraction maneuvers designed to manipulate the media and the people. We must keep the pressure on ALL fronts -- not just what is directly in front of us!
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It's nice to see the media here whip up rage and provoke emotions.
Regarding the countries being banned and why Saudi Arabia isn't listed or Pakistan, etc. The countries banned all seem poor with little connections economically to the US or at least aren't allies willing to join us or are actively opposed or in a state of turmoil.
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Phillipines, Pakistan, are all important countries we do a lot of arms business with and governments we chose or historically have chosen to be allied with. So while you can say Trump has dealings with those countries, I think this is more a warning to the other rich, Muslim nations not yet banned and he's using poorer Muslim countries with less migration to the US as a starting point. Don't mess with United States or me.
Targeting countries like Iraq and Iran could be seen as Trump trying to gain "leverage" against those countries in terms of negotiations.
So I'm not so quick to see this as immoral but part of his tactics and I don't exactly support but understand this isn't so simple that it's just anti-Muslim
Regarding the countries being banned and why Saudi Arabia isn't listed or Pakistan, etc. The countries banned all seem poor with little connections economically to the US or at least aren't allies willing to join us or are actively opposed or in a state of turmoil.
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Phillipines, Pakistan, are all important countries we do a lot of arms business with and governments we chose or historically have chosen to be allied with. So while you can say Trump has dealings with those countries, I think this is more a warning to the other rich, Muslim nations not yet banned and he's using poorer Muslim countries with less migration to the US as a starting point. Don't mess with United States or me.
Targeting countries like Iraq and Iran could be seen as Trump trying to gain "leverage" against those countries in terms of negotiations.
So I'm not so quick to see this as immoral but part of his tactics and I don't exactly support but understand this isn't so simple that it's just anti-Muslim
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It's immoral, illegal, unconstitutional and anti-immigrant, since more than Muslims have been caught up in it. Period.
It is more than just the economic ties.
Yemen, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, and much of Iraq do not have a functioning government. Iran is in violation of UN resolutions against nuclear proliferation and the spirit of the agreement Obama gave them.
Yemen, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, and much of Iraq do not have a functioning government. Iran is in violation of UN resolutions against nuclear proliferation and the spirit of the agreement Obama gave them.
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There's been a lot of signing. Has someone done a handwriting analysis on that signature?
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An end to this may come from an unexpected place. These daily doses of chaos will crash the stock market. Not today, but soon. And when that happens, even Trump's pals will cut him loose. He'll be too expensive to keep.
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Are there still any Democrats left in the USA?.. Where are there voices in Congress? Why Hillary is silent??
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I think Democrats are speaking up but it appears that most media outlets aren't covering it.
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Um, possibly they're a lot smarter than the gullible, hysterical, entirely predictable fools commenting here? Not a fan, but I'm willing to give that much credit to Democrats who actually managed to get elected.
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Trump just threw a wrench at the heart of the fight against ISIS by including Iraq in his ban. This must be the "secret weapon" he promised during his campaign - the rapid and methodical sowing of worldwide chaos. In a matter of days, the world order will be in shambles. This is a test for Mattis, until now considered the only adult in the room.
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Did Trump kick out all of Obama's diplomats on January 20, as he planned? (Instead of waiting until his new ones were installed.) Are these seven countries now without US diplomats on the ground?
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There's not a single new policy or practice in Trump's misidentified travel "ban". But yet again non-thinkers (or group-thinkers, if you prefer) are jumping to misinformed conclusions and knee-jerk criticism of a presidential order they haven't read and history they haven't bothered to learn.
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These people pose NO THREAT. My understanding is that people with U.S. issued visas and green cards, including refugees, were the ones who were stopped. This order is an assault on our government because the people were already vetted. I repeat: There is NO THREAT. Rump is making this up to act like some dictator--all the while saying its for "our protection." What a crock!
I hope th courts can get in this ASAP and allow people to come in. There were refugees in the next few weeks trying to join family members, there were students stranded abroad. The court needs to force the CBP to let these people in. The place to their idiotic "review" for "extreme vetting" is going forward. NOT for people who have already been vetted. I repeat THERE IS NO THREAT! This is demagoguery on the part of Rump to throw red meat to his "base" voters. They are extremely base.
I hope th courts can get in this ASAP and allow people to come in. There were refugees in the next few weeks trying to join family members, there were students stranded abroad. The court needs to force the CBP to let these people in. The place to their idiotic "review" for "extreme vetting" is going forward. NOT for people who have already been vetted. I repeat THERE IS NO THREAT! This is demagoguery on the part of Rump to throw red meat to his "base" voters. They are extremely base.
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I think we can identify a few who were already "vetted" under the last administration who should not have been allowed into the country either as refugees or with green card status.
In those cases, the media was quick to show what their own investigations found.
You can't have it both ways. Terrorists look nice and friendly sometimes.
In those cases, the media was quick to show what their own investigations found.
You can't have it both ways. Terrorists look nice and friendly sometimes.
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just wait. when there are hundreds of thousands protesting and surrounding the white house and trump tower, he will declare martial.
it's only a matter of time.
it's only a matter of time.
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sorry. martial law.
Make no mistake people, the future of America demands the defeat of trump and his malignant gang. It's time for insurrection. It won't be easy.
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How about protecting our democracy from Mr Bannon? He is a frightening man with a plan, and I wonder if Trump is not his puppet!
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Today on 1/30/17 we see Sean Spicer making the interview rounds performing spin control. Many good questions asked but there's one question I've been waiting to see these interviewers drill down on with either him or Conway. Not that they would honestly answer it but it needs asking.
The premise Trump has put forward is that there is fundamentally either no vetting process currently in place, or an extraordinarily weak one, to protect our country from "bad dudes" entering from these 7 countries. They are streaming in to our country unchecked. Therefore he had no choice but to take immediate and secret action.
The facts are that lengthy vetting processes are already in place and it takes an average of two years to obtain a VISA. Trump has yet to explain specifically what additional actions will be added under his "extreme vetting" process that will ensure a greater level of safety.
The premise Trump has put forward is that there is fundamentally either no vetting process currently in place, or an extraordinarily weak one, to protect our country from "bad dudes" entering from these 7 countries. They are streaming in to our country unchecked. Therefore he had no choice but to take immediate and secret action.
The facts are that lengthy vetting processes are already in place and it takes an average of two years to obtain a VISA. Trump has yet to explain specifically what additional actions will be added under his "extreme vetting" process that will ensure a greater level of safety.
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The favored headline word to describe the refugee errors has been "chaos". The favored words to describe the computer crashes upon the introduction of Obamacare were "making progress." This is ridiculous. The newspapers are public relations firms for whichever side they support. Media impartiality is an oxymoron. Democrats need to be aware that their media is plenty biased and, more and more, simply not worthy of belief,
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Sounds like Trump and Bannon's opposition to the press and alternative facts universe they've created for supporters like you is working.
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Newspapers choose their own headlines. I blame them on who wrote them. Barbara blames them on the bogeyman,
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Yes it's hard not to compare this to the disastrous Obamacare rollout. Then the excuses were free flowing. The difference, of course, is in scale. Obamacare inconvenienced millions.
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109 people are detained for a few hours, and liberal media and ACLU react like Hitler climbed out of his grave. Were you sleeping, when "we came, we saw, he died Guffaw.." Hillary was destroying libya. Where was the outrage when wedding parties were regularly droned in Yemen by Obama/Clinton, Where was the investigative reporting when ISIS spawned out of nowhere in 2011, after Obama mismanagement of Iraq. Where were the complaints when a self-confessed Islamic Fundamentalist regime in Iran was coddled with the nuclear deal. Come on NYtimes and brother, public has seen through your incessant lies and your coddling of paid protesters. It is time for America First.
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"paid protesters"? That lie has been debunked.
The destabelization that lead the to the rise of ISIS began when Bush I destroyed Sadam's military. Sadam, who ran a secular government before 1991, began to turn to Islam as a rallying cry against Western powers. Then Bush the Lesser took Sadam out of power and invaded prompting more destabelization. The legally elected government told the US to leave Iraq. The group you know as ISIS started actually started in 1999. Pretty sure Obama wasn't president then, but you never know with Republicans and their "alternative facts".
Learn some history. Read a book. "Islamic State: The Digital Caliphate by Abdel Ariatwan would be a great start to curing your ignorance and, perhaps, get you to give up your addiction to the dishonest dogma fed to you by right wing extremists (aka, Republicans) who are terrified you might actually open your eyes.
The destabelization that lead the to the rise of ISIS began when Bush I destroyed Sadam's military. Sadam, who ran a secular government before 1991, began to turn to Islam as a rallying cry against Western powers. Then Bush the Lesser took Sadam out of power and invaded prompting more destabelization. The legally elected government told the US to leave Iraq. The group you know as ISIS started actually started in 1999. Pretty sure Obama wasn't president then, but you never know with Republicans and their "alternative facts".
Learn some history. Read a book. "Islamic State: The Digital Caliphate by Abdel Ariatwan would be a great start to curing your ignorance and, perhaps, get you to give up your addiction to the dishonest dogma fed to you by right wing extremists (aka, Republicans) who are terrified you might actually open your eyes.
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Yes point to an obscure unknown book by an Arab to support your propaganda. By the way Bush left power in 2008, and there was no ISIS then. What about Libya?
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What about Libya? You want me to prove a negative? You need to prove that it did happen. That is how logic works Barbarika.
The author being from the region (Palestine) is actually an asset to his writing on the subject. Your denigration of the book by calling it propaganda is meaningless without any evidence to prove that it is propaganda.
I have provided you the name of a source written by a journalist with tremendous knowledge on the subject to back up what I said. You offer bluster and dogma in return.
The author being from the region (Palestine) is actually an asset to his writing on the subject. Your denigration of the book by calling it propaganda is meaningless without any evidence to prove that it is propaganda.
I have provided you the name of a source written by a journalist with tremendous knowledge on the subject to back up what I said. You offer bluster and dogma in return.
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So, Trump wants to ban Syrian Muslims, but not Muslims from Saudi Arabia, which produced all but one of the 9/11 hijackers.
Why the discrepancy? Could it be that the Syrian refugees know that Trump's pal and benefactor Vladimir Putin has long propped up Assad's murderous regime, which created the Syrian refugee crises.
Why the discrepancy? Could it be that the Syrian refugees know that Trump's pal and benefactor Vladimir Putin has long propped up Assad's murderous regime, which created the Syrian refugee crises.
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We really are a nation of immigrants.
Some of my greatgrandparents and all of my grandparents arrived in the early 20th century. They all loved their new country even though they were poor and sometimes were discriminated against as new immigrants. As I said, they were devoted to the U.S. once they got here and had no desire to return to the old country. One flew an American Flag next to his house on a flag pole even though he remained a green card holder because he was illiterate; no education available where he came from. Otherwise I am sure he would have become a full fledged citizen.
Nowadays: I have had co workers who were immigrants. I have had neighbors who were immigrants. I have doctors and nurses who are immigrants. Some go back to visit the old country but they are dedicated to this country. Good solid law abiding citizens. I have known only one immigrant who returned permanently to her old country and only because the elderly members of her family there begged her to come back and take care of them.
I hate all this immigrant bashing the GOP, the new president, and flyover America are doing. They have to stop making immigrants into scapegoats.
Some of my greatgrandparents and all of my grandparents arrived in the early 20th century. They all loved their new country even though they were poor and sometimes were discriminated against as new immigrants. As I said, they were devoted to the U.S. once they got here and had no desire to return to the old country. One flew an American Flag next to his house on a flag pole even though he remained a green card holder because he was illiterate; no education available where he came from. Otherwise I am sure he would have become a full fledged citizen.
Nowadays: I have had co workers who were immigrants. I have had neighbors who were immigrants. I have doctors and nurses who are immigrants. Some go back to visit the old country but they are dedicated to this country. Good solid law abiding citizens. I have known only one immigrant who returned permanently to her old country and only because the elderly members of her family there begged her to come back and take care of them.
I hate all this immigrant bashing the GOP, the new president, and flyover America are doing. They have to stop making immigrants into scapegoats.
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I wonder what the real motivation for this executive order was? Steve Bannon had to have known that this would create chaos. The results were horribly cruel and yes played into the hands of terrorists. There is no doubt in my mind that Trump and Steve Bannon intended to cause this chaos to distract us.
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The only way we Patriots can keep abreast of what's happening is through the efforts of the Press, like the NYT's. Keep up the good work and don't stop digging and reporting.
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Now that Iran has defiantly broken the UN agreement what should the U.S. and its allies do?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the secretary of homeland security be the one interpreting executive orders and issuing directives to border agents?
Why are White House staff telling government departments what to do? Or issuing interpretations that have no legal standing and affecting people's lives.
WH Tweet "Horrible transition process - bad!!"
Why are White House staff telling government departments what to do? Or issuing interpretations that have no legal standing and affecting people's lives.
WH Tweet "Horrible transition process - bad!!"
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Until this and other matters are straightened out there should be a hold on approving his Cabinet. His boy's, once in place, will do irreparable damage.
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In San Francisco, the airport is owned and run by the city. I would like to see the mayor, Ed Lee, head to the airport with a bunch of Sherriff's deputies and leverage his authority and ensure that judicial orders and constitutional rights are being honored at the airport. He should go there in person, and fire anyone on the spot who is under his authority or remove anyone who is on city property and stands in his way.
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OK, but the airport needs the FAA and flight controllers to operate. You want to start something that would likely shut down the SF airport? Trump won. Deal with it.
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Your creepy "Joker", Rudy Giuliani, claims otherwise. In fact, he was more than DELIGHTED to brag about it (on video!) He states: Trump called me and asked me how to make a Muslim ban appear to be legal. Trump asked me to put together a panel of lawyer friends of mine, and I did. we came up with a way to make a Muslim ban "legal." I support Trump's Muslim ban because Muslims are a "DANGER" to our country.
But, Muslims are never a "DANGER" when they write HUGE CHECKS to listen to one of your "speeches," which you greedily deliver to your oil buddies in terrorist breeding countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt? I'm puzzled.
Perhaps you can mansplain?
But, Muslims are never a "DANGER" when they write HUGE CHECKS to listen to one of your "speeches," which you greedily deliver to your oil buddies in terrorist breeding countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt? I'm puzzled.
Perhaps you can mansplain?
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The American voter has elected the worst character ever to lead our country. Trump has not a clue on how to manage the government, and the only thing he thinks about, if he thinks at all, is the family Congratulations Trump voters, you have committed this country to economic disaster. If you are one of his clueless supporters, it might be dawning on the brightest among these cretins that we are in trouble.
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How do the members of the electoral college sleep at night, knowing they could have prevented this?
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I heard Joe Scarborough paas on this lie this very a.m. on Morning Joe, saying the list of countries on the travel ban came from the Obama administration. Even I new it was not true and the Trump Adm is perpetuating it:
Obama’s “seven countries” are taken out of context: Trump’s claim that the seven countries listed in the executive order came from the Obama administration is conveniently left unexplained.
A bit of background: soon after the December 2015 terror attack in San Bernadino, President Obama signed an amendment to the Visa Waiver Program, a law that allows citizens of 38 countries to travel to the United States without obtaining visas (and gives Americans reciprocal privileges in those countries). The amendment removed from the Visa Waiver Program dual nationals who were citizens of four countries (Iraq, Iran, Sudan, and Syria), or anyone who had recently traveled to those countries. The Obama administration added three more to the list (Libya, Somalia, and Yemen), bringing the total to seven.
But this law did not BAR anyone from coming to the United States. It only required a relatively small percentage of people to obtain a visa first. And to avoid punishing people who clearly had good reasons to travel to the relevant countries, the Obama administration used a waiver provided by Congress for certain travelers, including journalists, aid workers, and officials from international organizations like the United Nations.
Obama’s “seven countries” are taken out of context: Trump’s claim that the seven countries listed in the executive order came from the Obama administration is conveniently left unexplained.
A bit of background: soon after the December 2015 terror attack in San Bernadino, President Obama signed an amendment to the Visa Waiver Program, a law that allows citizens of 38 countries to travel to the United States without obtaining visas (and gives Americans reciprocal privileges in those countries). The amendment removed from the Visa Waiver Program dual nationals who were citizens of four countries (Iraq, Iran, Sudan, and Syria), or anyone who had recently traveled to those countries. The Obama administration added three more to the list (Libya, Somalia, and Yemen), bringing the total to seven.
But this law did not BAR anyone from coming to the United States. It only required a relatively small percentage of people to obtain a visa first. And to avoid punishing people who clearly had good reasons to travel to the relevant countries, the Obama administration used a waiver provided by Congress for certain travelers, including journalists, aid workers, and officials from international organizations like the United Nations.
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Just read aan item from an hisstorian that this kerfluffle re immigration might well be a smokescreen for the takeover of the miliitary and its subjugation to DJT's interests, hence Bannon. Something to consider.
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Only if you are brain damaged.
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Where was the liberal outrage, when over past 8 years, Obama/Clinton led machine led to destruction of these 7 countries with ill-thought off arab spring propaganda followed by bombings and drone attacks.
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Many of these 7 countries never had an arab spring. Hint: Sudan, Iran. Thanks.
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Sorry but the Bush team started that destruction, Once again blame Obama for everything. Where was your positive voice when Obama deported 2.5mill illegal immigrants and started a very intense program to let legal immigration continue. It takes on the average 2 years for visas to be granted legally.
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Speaking of that, I thought we were aiding Saudi Arabia with their war on the Houthi insurgents in Yemen by bombing those folks, not Saudi Arabia's terrorists in Yemen. I'm glad we went after Al Qaida, too. But why did a soldier die, an aircraft go down and three more are wounded? Another rush job by the Trump Towering Inferno?
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People should politics aside and stop referring to it as a "Muslim" ban. It's not true and must be so offensive to our Muslim Americans. Also it's only a temporary ban until we can be sure we have an ironclad process for preventing terrorists from entering our country.
Despite claims to the contrary, there have, in fact, been foreign-born terrorists attacks here. Many have been thwarted. Here are the more sensational ones:
- Tsarnaev brothers (children of asylees)
- Time Square bomber (Pakistani)
- Underwear bomer (Nigeria)
- Chattanooga shooter (Kuwait)
There were also 2 bombs found on 2 cargo plans bound for the US from Yemen. (AQ) And recently 2 Iraqi refugees were indicted on international terrorism charges.
Yes, terrorists do come here and pose a threat to Americans. This president would like to not learn the hard way how successful they can be.
Despite claims to the contrary, there have, in fact, been foreign-born terrorists attacks here. Many have been thwarted. Here are the more sensational ones:
- Tsarnaev brothers (children of asylees)
- Time Square bomber (Pakistani)
- Underwear bomer (Nigeria)
- Chattanooga shooter (Kuwait)
There were also 2 bombs found on 2 cargo plans bound for the US from Yemen. (AQ) And recently 2 Iraqi refugees were indicted on international terrorism charges.
Yes, terrorists do come here and pose a threat to Americans. This president would like to not learn the hard way how successful they can be.
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Did any of the people you mentioned come from any of the countries on the list?
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And yet NONE Of the terrorists you cite would have been hindered in the slightest by Trump's weekend order.
None of them. Do you even understand that?
His actions were not tailored to the threat.
They make us less safe, not more.
None of them. Do you even understand that?
His actions were not tailored to the threat.
They make us less safe, not more.
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I think you are missing an especially sensational attack by foreign-born terrorists but then, Saudi Arabia isn't included in the ban. As for Iraq, do two Iraqis indicted, not convicted, justify keeping out all the Iraqis who are in danger (as well as their families) for assisting our troops?
Terrorists posing as "refugees" have repeatedly attacked European civilians over the last two years.
The demonstrators lack imagination. I bet the demonstrators would change their mind if their loved ones lived in NY and got mowed down by a truck or machine gun.
Trump is smart to ban people coming in from terror-prone countries. There are plenty of refugees from other countries - e.g. Zambia, Zimbabwe, Myanmar, Philippines, Nigeria. Let's be smart and take refugees that are 100% not suicide bombers.
The demonstrators lack imagination. I bet the demonstrators would change their mind if their loved ones lived in NY and got mowed down by a truck or machine gun.
Trump is smart to ban people coming in from terror-prone countries. There are plenty of refugees from other countries - e.g. Zambia, Zimbabwe, Myanmar, Philippines, Nigeria. Let's be smart and take refugees that are 100% not suicide bombers.
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Tens of thousands of innocent Americans are killed by guns every year. If Trump wants to protect Americans he should ban guns, or at least perform extreme vetting of any potential gun owner.
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Forget guns--you're more likely to be killed from slipping in the bathtub than by a terrorist.
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Dr E, to your point, we already have sufficient unstable people with weapons in our country, why import more?
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Mattis was expected to be a rational influence. He stood beside Trump and clapped as the order was signed.
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Well, Trump won, so the order he signed is in direct alignment with the will of the people. It is you being irrational.
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What's this I hear about Flynn falling out of favor in the throne room? Accordion to inside sources, he's out at NSA and Bannon's taken over his duties.
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But, Joe, stuff has to be legal within the framework of the U.S. constitution. I mean people could say they want U.S. currency replaced with Little Debbie's cakes; and they want to be paid with Little Debbie's cakes; and they want their Social Security checks to be replaced with Little Debbie's cakes. But it would have to be determined if Little Debbie's cakes were indeed legal tender. And then there would have to be a plan implemented, more bakeries built, and a timeline for rollout of the new cake-currency.
I like cupcakes. But, be prepared for a legal challenge from Tastykake. And I need to have an opportunity to cash in my dollar bills for Little Debbie's cakes; otherwise, I'll be left holding worthless pieces of paper and I'll have no cake.
Any responsible entity (other than a punk band) does not encourage chaos as a strategy. Or do they?
I like cupcakes. But, be prepared for a legal challenge from Tastykake. And I need to have an opportunity to cash in my dollar bills for Little Debbie's cakes; otherwise, I'll be left holding worthless pieces of paper and I'll have no cake.
Any responsible entity (other than a punk band) does not encourage chaos as a strategy. Or do they?
"President" Trump is treating the Unites States like one of his real estate properties. He is now practicing religous instead of racial discrimination when deciding who is allowed into "his" America. How can Congress stand by and let this atrocity continue?
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The biggest danger to America is sitting in the Oval Office right now. Citizens must unite and act immediately before destruction is irreparable. We must demand a Constitutional Change requiring Majority Vote to become President. We must demand this change immediate and retro. Never in the History of America has a person been proven so incompetent as President. To continue with this outright unqualified Administration sets precedent for future incompetence. We simply cannot accept this.
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"We must...."
Who is "we"? Not me. Remember, Democrats are now the extreme left radical minority. And if you want to start a movement, do it yourself. Someone else just did, and he is now POTUS, so it does work.
Who is "we"? Not me. Remember, Democrats are now the extreme left radical minority. And if you want to start a movement, do it yourself. Someone else just did, and he is now POTUS, so it does work.
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Minority? Ridiculous- did you see arial pictures of the Women's March vs. Trump Inauguration. Get some glasses please. WE are not the minority.
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I see a few commenters are suggesting a nefarious plot regarding today's Google doodle. Just to put that to rest, it's Mr. Korematsu's birthday. Unless his mother carefully timed her pregnancy in 1918 (and birth in 1919) to coincide with Mr. Trump's executive order, I think your conspiracy theory is going nowhere. Back to the Breitbart drawing board.
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Maybe the first country on Trump’s list should have been the United States of America. Total terror incidents in the U.S. from the seven banned countries: zero! Domestic, non-Muslim-related, terror deaths since 1995: 168 deaths in Oklahoma City; 32 deaths at Virginia Tech, 27 deaths at Newtown, 12 deaths in Aurora, CO. More mass shootings occur in the United States than in any other country. So where is Trump’s executive order addressing how people really are getting killed in the United States – TENS OF THOUSANDS of firearm deaths caused by plain-old Americans. But let’s be careful to blame others for our own shortcomings and sow misplaced fear so that we can divide our nation.
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How can he say it's not about religion when he has long made a BIG deal about President Obama declining to label it "radical Islamic terrorism"? Americans have always known there was a religious component to the terrorist acts here, tied to the Islamic State groups fighting for dominance in the Middle East just as there is a religious component to the anti-abortion movement in the US that has spawned terrorist violence against doctors and clinics that perform abortions. But we haven't labeled that domestic terrorism "radical Christian terrorism." Nevertheless, now Trump cannot escape the accusation that he is targeting all Muslims by this travel ban and "extreme vetting." And his fight with Islam will have consequences for Americans at home and abroad.
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My family came to the United States in the 50's after living in a German displaced persons camp after the war. We were refugees with nothing but two wooden suitcases. And when the church people who sponsored us met us, we wondered why they were smiling at us. What had we done to deserve this? And THAT is what America is. It fills the persecuted, the dis-enfranchised with something so precious that some willingly die for it: HOPE. Trump is an aberration. He cares nothing for the hope, the dreams of other people. Life is a numerical calculation for him. Stalin once remarked "one life, it's a tragedy; one million lives, a statistic." We Americans still know the art of addition and that will continue to make our country the greatest on earth.
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He needs to be impeached before he does something that cannot be undone.
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Trump is an inept, ignorant narcissist who has surrounded himself with yes-men and right wing extremists.
When will we see some action from the cowering congressional Republicans to challenge his insanity?
When will we see some action from the cowering congressional Republicans to challenge his insanity?
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More Trumpian doublespeak & gaslighting. "Believe the words I am tweeting & doubt what is in front of your eyes."
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Not about religion? Of course it's about religion. It's about Trump's religion: $$$
Those excluded are from the poorest of Muslim world. They're broke. They are of no interest to Trump and his $$$. Those not excluded are from the wealthiest of the Muslim world. AND, they do business with Trump. In $$$ catechism they are to be welcomed and feted.
That these same wealthiest are also the sources of and financiers for terrorists is, per $$$ catechism, immaterial...
Those excluded are from the poorest of Muslim world. They're broke. They are of no interest to Trump and his $$$. Those not excluded are from the wealthiest of the Muslim world. AND, they do business with Trump. In $$$ catechism they are to be welcomed and feted.
That these same wealthiest are also the sources of and financiers for terrorists is, per $$$ catechism, immaterial...
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Didn't Repubs complain about Pres Obama being a "king" with his executive orders? So as long as Repubs are doing the same thing, it's okay? Is this what our country has come to with this mean-spirited, petty politics that totally negates the values and rights of its citizens so we can have power to make money for the 1% and turn the country "white" again? I am so frightened right now for myself, my family, our rights, and the people in this country and the rest of the world. Never again will I listen to a Republican lecture me about morals, family values and the Constitution. You are all hypocrites of the highest order there in Congress and Senate. This president is no Republican, he cares less about any of it and about power, control and his own fragile ego. He is a puppet.
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If the "not-my-president" Trump wants to protect the county from terrorism, he will ban all white men from buying guns...white American men have terrorized and killed more Americans than anyone from another country, including police who have been given license to gun black Americans down in the street without recourse...Trump is a perfect example of their tyranny.
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In 1972, I saw for sale a calendar in Georgetown on which you could cross out Nixon's face daily in a Countdown to Ecstasy, Bodhisattvas. You think Katy lied...
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Bar the door! Trump is gonna fry himself in record time! Just keep taking Bannon's advise, and he'll be wishing he was in Hoffa's shoes.
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This order is about one thing, and one thing only.
To keep the President's electoral base happy.
That is the most terrifying thing. We need to understand that there are many good Americans out there that are against people who don't look or behave like them. Some of these people are Muslim, others are Mexican.
The justifications are completely valid, or completely flimsy, depending whether people get their information from.
Anti Muslim sentiments are justified using national security and terrorism, while anti Mexican sentiments are justified via criminality and jobs.
The important thing to know is that the supporters of these measures are not quacks, except for a small minority.
This is one of the things that the democrats got completely wrong, apart from many others, during the election: You dismiss the feelings of a significant part of the population at your own peril.
To keep the President's electoral base happy.
That is the most terrifying thing. We need to understand that there are many good Americans out there that are against people who don't look or behave like them. Some of these people are Muslim, others are Mexican.
The justifications are completely valid, or completely flimsy, depending whether people get their information from.
Anti Muslim sentiments are justified using national security and terrorism, while anti Mexican sentiments are justified via criminality and jobs.
The important thing to know is that the supporters of these measures are not quacks, except for a small minority.
This is one of the things that the democrats got completely wrong, apart from many others, during the election: You dismiss the feelings of a significant part of the population at your own peril.
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" This is not about religion ",says Trump.And to paraphrase Trump on another recent matter, "My inauguration was the biggest, best, most spectacular in the history of the world.' And , he wonders why the media and a majority of people here in the USA and abroad don't believe him.
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I find it more than curious (and less than coincidence) that the countries President Trump singled out are those countries with whom he has NOT done busines. (E.g., Saudi Arabia is not on the list, neither is Egypt, and yet these two countries have supplied an enormous number of terrortists and a great deal of radicalized philosophy.) Is security based solely on whom President Trump does business with?
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He took the advise of agitators while ignoring the real reason lawyers get paid the big money. He walked himself right into a constitutional crisis and the Emoluments Clause by trying to craft his own "legal" Muslim Ban.
Did you read Flynn's son is at it again, tweeting support for Trump's #MuslimBan? Way to give away the Russian Connection, flubber fingers.
Did you read Flynn's son is at it again, tweeting support for Trump's #MuslimBan? Way to give away the Russian Connection, flubber fingers.
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I thought we were a democracy and big actions got voted on. Trump is treating this like a dictatorship and plunging the country into WWIII. Bannon on the security council? What qualifications does he have?
The Republicans have to do what is right for the country and rein Trump in and stop him from these reckless orders he is signing. Trump is a disgrace to democracy, he is a disgrace as the President of the US. Trump, Pence, Bannon and Ryan all have to be removed. What kind of country am I living in? This is horrible!!!!!!!!!
The Republicans have to do what is right for the country and rein Trump in and stop him from these reckless orders he is signing. Trump is a disgrace to democracy, he is a disgrace as the President of the US. Trump, Pence, Bannon and Ryan all have to be removed. What kind of country am I living in? This is horrible!!!!!!!!!
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This crisis is of the molehill, not mountain variety. By fixing the green card issue, it has, for all intents and purposes gone away.
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Two incidents in the last week have me very concerned they we are entering a new age of "dirty tricks" that are being done to make the president's points seem necessary.
There were very professional looking "protesters" breaking windows during the inauguration in DC. They were wearing black ski masks and hoodies and did their job with efficiency and proficiency. They didn't look like any of the other protesters. These were some of the people being filmed by the journalists who were then arrested for filming and given felony charges, with 10 years imprisonment and 25K fines.
The killers in Quebec City were similarly described in clothing and as killing with great precision and efficiency.
Now Trump can point at QC and say "see, we need these bans to keep us safe", as was done with the "violent" protests. in DC.
The CIA has done these types of dirty tricks across the world for decades. We need to realize its a tool that Trump would not hesitate to use.
There were very professional looking "protesters" breaking windows during the inauguration in DC. They were wearing black ski masks and hoodies and did their job with efficiency and proficiency. They didn't look like any of the other protesters. These were some of the people being filmed by the journalists who were then arrested for filming and given felony charges, with 10 years imprisonment and 25K fines.
The killers in Quebec City were similarly described in clothing and as killing with great precision and efficiency.
Now Trump can point at QC and say "see, we need these bans to keep us safe", as was done with the "violent" protests. in DC.
The CIA has done these types of dirty tricks across the world for decades. We need to realize its a tool that Trump would not hesitate to use.
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Just a week ago, during the inauguration, I wondered what Obama was thinking when Trump described this country as carnage. He did a pretty good job of remaining stoic, but you could see a glimpse of a smirk as he likely imagined the ignorant Trump facing the reality of a democracy once in office. I have to imagine that while it must be painful to watch a nincompoop undue much of what he worked for, Obama is enjoying the foolish spectacle of all this.
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Wendy, I don't think Obama is enjoying this in any way shape or form. He is a compassionate and I'm sure is as livid and angst ridden as the rest of us over this cruelty and chaos unleashed by a madman.
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Ironically Trump has made sure that he will always suffer in comparison to President Obama, it will be recorded in history forever.
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Welcome to the new USA! After 240 years, we've arrived at our first run as a new, fascist dictator state. When the executive branch ignores the courts, the result is a dictatorship. And ours is run by a total nincompoop. Facilitated by the modern GOP. It answers the dreams of the Tea Party, the evangelicals, and the financiers. The rabid collection of dogs involved with this operation are one Supreme Court person away from 100% control of the nation -- in a way in which they cannot even be accused of defying the judicial branch.
For those of you who have any experience in a third world nation -- you will recognize the similarity we've now acquired.
For those of you who have any experience in a third world nation -- you will recognize the similarity we've now acquired.
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Not about religion? Gee, that's odd. Rudy Giuliani said he was specifically ordered by Trump to find a legal way to ban . . . wait for it . . . Muslims!
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it is only about racism aka religion and the only thing which trumps this RW racism is trump's own business which is why egypt saudi and UAE are not on list and countries which have NEVER once done anything are. so even the racist policy itself is implemented in a partisan racist ad hoc manner.
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This was the Obama list of 2015. He omitted Saudi Arabia.
The president Trump order was poorly constructed and executed but it is no excuse to lie.
The president Trump order was poorly constructed and executed but it is no excuse to lie.
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Too bad most Democrats never paid attention to those early polls that showed Sanders had a better chance against Trump than anybody else. We could've used those few percent in the general. If you were one of those who blamed Nader voters for Bush, you have to also blame Clinton voters for Trump. Thanks for the fascism.
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No you can blame Comey for Trump.
But hey, thanks for the whining!
But hey, thanks for the whining!
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Blame Clinton voters for Trump? That's ridiculous, illogical and plain stupid. But I think you already know that.
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@Stephen Miller: "If you were one of those who blamed Nader voters for Bush, you have to also blame Clinton voters for Trump. Thanks for the fascism."
The same can be said for all the "Never Hillary" Bernie Bros and Jill Stein voters who actually DID tip the scales to Trump in the disputed sates.
A reminder: She won the primaries by 3.5 million votes and had 3 million votes more than Trump.
The same can be said for all the "Never Hillary" Bernie Bros and Jill Stein voters who actually DID tip the scales to Trump in the disputed sates.
A reminder: She won the primaries by 3.5 million votes and had 3 million votes more than Trump.
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THANK YOU, NYT, for your consistent, in-depth, cool-headed reporting and analysis!!!! We need you more than ever in these turbulent times.
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So...a short-lived immigration prohibition for a small number of countries with terrorist ties causes outrage on the left. Of course, there is no right to immigrate to the U.S., nor, do those individuals impacted have any U.S. constitutional rights. But lets not dwell on the obvious.
Whats funny is how leftists are perfectly willing to negatively impact millions of Americans through absurd EPA regulatory burdens, obamacare premium hikes, higher taxes and other democrat party policies. But cause 109 non-citizens a few hours of extra time at an airport and the world is in chaos.
Whats funny is how leftists are perfectly willing to negatively impact millions of Americans through absurd EPA regulatory burdens, obamacare premium hikes, higher taxes and other democrat party policies. But cause 109 non-citizens a few hours of extra time at an airport and the world is in chaos.
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So they have no U.S. constitutional rights, correct? Each of the countries in the list, have been devastated and destroyed even to this day by US policy. So what right does the American Government have to be there?
The immigration rule was totally unfair to people who have legitimately followed process and are green card holders. U cannot just all of a sudden wake up and destroy their lives.
Please read up on Silica dust and its harmful effects of exposure. EPA enforced strict guidelines to protect the health of employee's. While that is "burdensome" from a conservative point of view - is it wrong? Why is that thirst to make money at any cost?
The immigration rule was totally unfair to people who have legitimately followed process and are green card holders. U cannot just all of a sudden wake up and destroy their lives.
Please read up on Silica dust and its harmful effects of exposure. EPA enforced strict guidelines to protect the health of employee's. While that is "burdensome" from a conservative point of view - is it wrong? Why is that thirst to make money at any cost?
Of the many issues at stake here, here's one you might consider: Process matters. The ban received very little input or vetting from people who would understand what issues might come up in implementation — or what legal concerns might arise. This is just management 101, and by all accounts Mr. Trump managed the process poorly. In spite of all the rhetoric on the right, there was no precipitating event requiring such haste. And I, along with many others in this country, care deeply that our laws and processes follow through on our values. More than 109 legal immigrants were affected, but let's take your number: You call them non-citizens; I remind you that they were participating in good faith in a process that had given them visas, green cards, legal residence. In failing them, we fail ourselves. I disagree with you that this is only a matter of concern to the left. It is a matter of concern to all of us.
Imagine going to Europe to visit your brother, and on return, you are told your green card is no longer valid, and you are being threatened with return to a violent, chaotic country in the grips of war. Let's think about the Yazidi woman (Iraqi citizen) married to a translator for the U.S. military turned away from her US-bound flight to join her husband. Or an elderly Syrian couple with green cards, one blind and one disabled, detained at the airport. This is not a "short-lived" inconvenience and the restrictions still stand for many. For many of these people, this is a matter or life and death.
As a counterpoint, you carp about the "absurd EPA regulatory burdens", so I assume you'd love living in a country like China, where those pesky regulations about the environment barely exist. The Obamacare premium hikes came because instead of going for a public option, Obama adopted a plan based on Republican market concepts, in which insurance companies set the rates; the left had nothing to do with it. As for higher taxes, it was a Republican who wasted trillions on an idiotic war, money that will eventually have to be paid back by our taxes.
As a counterpoint, you carp about the "absurd EPA regulatory burdens", so I assume you'd love living in a country like China, where those pesky regulations about the environment barely exist. The Obamacare premium hikes came because instead of going for a public option, Obama adopted a plan based on Republican market concepts, in which insurance companies set the rates; the left had nothing to do with it. As for higher taxes, it was a Republican who wasted trillions on an idiotic war, money that will eventually have to be paid back by our taxes.
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Of course it is about religion, and isn't just about the heinous policy of banning people from Muslim countries for the sake of national security, especially when that ban does NOT include countries responsible for terrorism.
This is what happens when Bannon, a white supremacist, is, for all intents and purposes, running the nation:
"On Friday, his White House deliberately excluded mention of Jews from its statement on Holocaust Remembrance Day. A Trump aide, Hope Hicks, explained that mentioning Jews would have been unfair to the Holocaust’s other victims — a line that happens to be a longtime trope of anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers in Europe."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/trump-flirts-with-theocracy.h...®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0
The very awful thing is the number of people who either don't care or, worse, support it.
This is what happens when Bannon, a white supremacist, is, for all intents and purposes, running the nation:
"On Friday, his White House deliberately excluded mention of Jews from its statement on Holocaust Remembrance Day. A Trump aide, Hope Hicks, explained that mentioning Jews would have been unfair to the Holocaust’s other victims — a line that happens to be a longtime trope of anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers in Europe."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/trump-flirts-with-theocracy.h...®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0
The very awful thing is the number of people who either don't care or, worse, support it.
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It's about a religion that has extremists who think it is OK to kill people who don't think the way they do - and act on it. So, if that religion is the identifying factor use it help identify which ones are harmful.
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Given the hatred that exists between half of the Muslim world and perhaps half of Americans, although the Americans would never admit it, a return to U.S. isolation from the Middle East might be a very good idea. Currently a lot of our military over there is killing hundreds of civilians as part of the war between the U.S. and Muslim terrorists that is of little or no benefit to the host countries.
A ban on many Muslims from entering this country might be a large part of restoring that isolation. Not the Draconian and thoughtless order issued by President Trump, but a ban with some bite.
In return, this country must withdraw its military from the Middle East, as well as others that the occupants find objectionable.
This temporary interruption in travel on both sides would be a cooling off period. Friendship would gradually be restored when the sides no longer had any reason to hate each other.
Of course the removal of our military would require an end to dependence on foreign oil. But we now seem to have that ability through the new oil extraction technology along with the steady development of alternative fuels.
Those that oppose "fracking" as a means of producing great amounts of oil in this U.S. would have to get over whatever reason that they are against it. If necessary, opposition to drilling for oil in a tiny part of the Alaskan wilderness will have to go. About 99.9 percent of the U.S. mainland population will never come within 3000 miles of that site.
A ban on many Muslims from entering this country might be a large part of restoring that isolation. Not the Draconian and thoughtless order issued by President Trump, but a ban with some bite.
In return, this country must withdraw its military from the Middle East, as well as others that the occupants find objectionable.
This temporary interruption in travel on both sides would be a cooling off period. Friendship would gradually be restored when the sides no longer had any reason to hate each other.
Of course the removal of our military would require an end to dependence on foreign oil. But we now seem to have that ability through the new oil extraction technology along with the steady development of alternative fuels.
Those that oppose "fracking" as a means of producing great amounts of oil in this U.S. would have to get over whatever reason that they are against it. If necessary, opposition to drilling for oil in a tiny part of the Alaskan wilderness will have to go. About 99.9 percent of the U.S. mainland population will never come within 3000 miles of that site.
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So, apparently, many of the families now stranded by Trump*s action have been trying to get their visas approved starting back in the Bush years and continuing through Obama*s two terms.
What took them so long? Especially in the case of Iraqis who worked for the US military or its contractors? Weren*t they thoroughly vetted before being allowed into sensitive facilities?
Well, ACLU, instead of putting your lawyers to work on all these long-delayed visa applications, you were worried about bathrooms in NC.
All righty. At least a fire*s been lit under you now...
What took them so long? Especially in the case of Iraqis who worked for the US military or its contractors? Weren*t they thoroughly vetted before being allowed into sensitive facilities?
Well, ACLU, instead of putting your lawyers to work on all these long-delayed visa applications, you were worried about bathrooms in NC.
All righty. At least a fire*s been lit under you now...
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Republicans are not real Americans.
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Wow. You sound like someone in Germany in the 30s and 40s who was all about determining who real Germans were.
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Great line for the Democrats to use in the next election. Go with it. The deplorables one worked so well
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Forget Trump. Steve Bannon is the man behind the curtain, the hand inside the sock puppet. He is greatly to be feared.
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and loathed
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@JimBob That's a terrible thing to say. But if they don't stand up and speak up, I may end up agreeing with you.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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I wonder, is this order intended to create chaos? In other words a distraction from the legislation that was introduced on the same day - look here: http://docs.house.gov/floor/
Trump is said to be a master manipulator. I'd appreciate the NY Time's assessment of the bills introduced on 1/27.
Trump is said to be a master manipulator. I'd appreciate the NY Time's assessment of the bills introduced on 1/27.
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How These events are helping America and in which way?
Fighting with Mexico, Banning Muslims, Starting repealing Obama care in a rush, on and on.
This is not stability, if there is no stability how we are benefiting from his presidency.
America convulsing, Trump is literally feeding his ego.
Fighting with Mexico, Banning Muslims, Starting repealing Obama care in a rush, on and on.
This is not stability, if there is no stability how we are benefiting from his presidency.
America convulsing, Trump is literally feeding his ego.
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So now we hear that the two shooters in Quebec City are two Syrian refugees that just entered the country. Have you New Yorkers learned anything from and since 9-11. A president's first order of business is the protect the citizens of this country. When Bush took office he assumed the security procedures set up by the Clinton Administration. Consequently Bush picked up the blame for the 9-11 attack. Now that Trump has assumed the previous administration's security apparatus, it only makes sense that Trump take this action to ensure the citizens are property protected and that the current policies are adequate. Bottom line, Trump is on point no matter the inconvenience is may cause a few.
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This is a complete lie. There is one suspect, Alexandre Bissonnette, a native born Canadian, from Quebec. The man who was initially arrested outside the mosque with the Arabic sounding name was later identified as a witness, not a suspect.
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Trump isn’t a committed ideologue. He is well within the American tradition of pragmatism, the political method of “bold, persistent experimentation.” He has created the conditions for intellectual fermentation. All reasonable ideas, and some not-so-reasonable ideas, will be given a hearing and entertained, before the better ones are adopted, to be continuously refined. Policy is a process, and implementation improves. The President, Congress, courts, civil service, press, and we citizens, of course, are all part of this. We learn; we get better. None of us approaches this life in the same way; we disagree about things, important things; but we’re bound together, and so must work together. This is what has been lacking in America for some time. It’ll be difficult, even painful at times. But these are exciting times. If this makes you nervous, if you find it draining, get used to it. Life is unfinished. Finality is an illusion.
Terrorism is disproportionately devastating. Not everyone is willing to admit this, even as those who’re charged with protecting us must take this into account. The Boston Marathon bombing, for example, was, frankly, a minor event. But what happened? The entire city of Boston was paralyzed. Think about that: two guys on the run from the law, and more than 600,000 residents were locked down, until they were halted. This is reality; this is the reason for the abundance of caution. We learn from the past, and plan for whatever the future may hold.
Terrorism is disproportionately devastating. Not everyone is willing to admit this, even as those who’re charged with protecting us must take this into account. The Boston Marathon bombing, for example, was, frankly, a minor event. But what happened? The entire city of Boston was paralyzed. Think about that: two guys on the run from the law, and more than 600,000 residents were locked down, until they were halted. This is reality; this is the reason for the abundance of caution. We learn from the past, and plan for whatever the future may hold.
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This president is not "adopting the best ideas" but is putting into place whatever he fancies, without research or facts to back it up. He is putting into place rash ideas that come from the rash promises he made to his base voters who were motivated by hate and laziness and selfishness to vote for him.
We need to get off oil. There are alternatives. There is also another fluid that is more precious to life than oil, a fluid that is polluted by fracking: fresh drinking water. Every fracking site is a source of permanent deadly pollution. Stop dwelling on a fading past and start thinking about the future. If the U.S. ties itself to oil while other countries lead the way into a future that is no longer dependent on oil, America will never be First; America will be Last.
We need to get off oil. There are alternatives. There is also another fluid that is more precious to life than oil, a fluid that is polluted by fracking: fresh drinking water. Every fracking site is a source of permanent deadly pollution. Stop dwelling on a fading past and start thinking about the future. If the U.S. ties itself to oil while other countries lead the way into a future that is no longer dependent on oil, America will never be First; America will be Last.
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And the family of those two guys, not exactly model immigrants, or refugees - better investigation before they got here would have made a difference.
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Islamic terrorists who have acted on US soil have come from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Russia, Kuwait. NONE OF THESE COUNTRIES' CITIZENS ARE BANNED.
Trump bans Muslims from poor countries where he isn't doing business. He is a greedy racist.
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-01-30/trump-travel-ban-the-nations-where-te...
Trump bans Muslims from poor countries where he isn't doing business. He is a greedy racist.
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-01-30/trump-travel-ban-the-nations-where-te...
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Senate & House Democrats...you need to present as outraged, yell loudly your/our opposition before every form of media...forget the tendency for polite discussion. This country is in crisis...treat it that way.
And Republicans...what a pathetic shame and sham. For those of you who know/admit that trump et al behaviors are dangerous, pathetic, and cruel, come out of your protective, cowardly shell. Acknowledge that winning the next election is not vital to your existence; the current administration is a threat to all people's existence...step up to the plate...you also must sound the alarm.
And Republicans...what a pathetic shame and sham. For those of you who know/admit that trump et al behaviors are dangerous, pathetic, and cruel, come out of your protective, cowardly shell. Acknowledge that winning the next election is not vital to your existence; the current administration is a threat to all people's existence...step up to the plate...you also must sound the alarm.
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This is ridiculous. Not one American has been killed by any immigrant of child of an immigrant from any of the banned countries. This is all for show so Trump looks like he's doing "something". His supporters seem to think doing "something" is better than nothing. But surely everyone has had an experience where doing something has NOT been better than doing nothing. And can't most reasonable people agree that usually thoughtful reasoned plans usually work better than impulsive shooting from the hip.
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Try and learn something. As long as you stick to liberal media you will not understand why the heartland approves of this policy. Let me educate you
Aberdeen, SD: Somali refugee found guilty of sexual assault in December is supposed to be sentenced today
Iraqi interpreter Jasim Ramadon serving 28 years for raping Colorado woman.
And I have more you can add - these people are a menace and the ban should be permanent.
Aberdeen, SD: Somali refugee found guilty of sexual assault in December is supposed to be sentenced today
Iraqi interpreter Jasim Ramadon serving 28 years for raping Colorado woman.
And I have more you can add - these people are a menace and the ban should be permanent.
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Judyw - Nice cherry picking. Go ahead and provide the stats for the number of crimes committed by people like this vs. the number of crimes committed by white Americans who were born here. I'll make it easy on you, provide the stats for just the last 2 years.
DR - what is your acceptable number?
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Shame on you, Donald Trump!!
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This Executive Order's effects will be minimal. The seven countries include four (Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen) which have no real government. One is locked in a civil war (Syria). One is an avowed enemy of the United States (Iran) with which we have no diplomatic relations, and which controls the government of the other (Iraq).
We cannot trust these unstable, unfriendly governments to cooperate in investigating any visa applicants. It is not safe for Americans to travel to these countries. Travel is already heavily restricted, and the "ban" is simply to make sure that measures are strong enough before allowing travel to resume.
Green card holders were detained, and that was a big problem, but only 109 people were detained and they are all now freed. The uproar goes far beyond what was actually done. That was not in error. That was politically motivated. For two prominent Democrats to both say that the Statue of Liberty is weeping is pandering political silliness. This is not a Muslim ban or an immigration ban. All friendly, stable countries with Muslim populations are not affected.
For a country which went crazy at the almost nonexistent threat of Ebola from the countries of Sierra Leone, Guinea, and Liberia, it is strange for so many to suddenly bravely defend the right of people to enter from countries where lawlessness and terror reign.
We cannot trust these unstable, unfriendly governments to cooperate in investigating any visa applicants. It is not safe for Americans to travel to these countries. Travel is already heavily restricted, and the "ban" is simply to make sure that measures are strong enough before allowing travel to resume.
Green card holders were detained, and that was a big problem, but only 109 people were detained and they are all now freed. The uproar goes far beyond what was actually done. That was not in error. That was politically motivated. For two prominent Democrats to both say that the Statue of Liberty is weeping is pandering political silliness. This is not a Muslim ban or an immigration ban. All friendly, stable countries with Muslim populations are not affected.
For a country which went crazy at the almost nonexistent threat of Ebola from the countries of Sierra Leone, Guinea, and Liberia, it is strange for so many to suddenly bravely defend the right of people to enter from countries where lawlessness and terror reign.
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o Will Trump address domestic terrorism (Sandy Hook, et al) perpetrated by native-born white -- Christian or otherwise -- Americans ?
o Why did he not ban migrants from Saudi Arabia (from which most 9/11 perpetrators came)?
o Will he dare to ban refugees from countries where he is heavily invested?
o After allegedly completing college degrees, is Trump incapable of inferring the consequences of actions?
o Why did he not ban migrants from Saudi Arabia (from which most 9/11 perpetrators came)?
o Will he dare to ban refugees from countries where he is heavily invested?
o After allegedly completing college degrees, is Trump incapable of inferring the consequences of actions?
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He only has one college degree. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Just correcting the impression of many that President Trump has a post graduate degree. He does not.
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Largely due to his ignorance and lack of education (he presumably read business texts at a university years ago then abandoned books afterward) Mr. Trump probably had no clue as to why his plan would strike so many people as odious and un-American. Let’s continue to educate him, and bless those who are speaking out peacefully.
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I'm not sure what anyone expected when Trump promised he would do this. Did anyone expect it to go smoothly as though some magical force was in charge. Where were all the shouts about the constitution when he promised all of this. Where was the ACLU or others saying this was illegal. Probably like all the other politicians, no one really believed he would do what he said he was going to do. It was certain to have problems but the judge helped him out. He ruled that those there were some that couldn't be blocked. Over the next week the rule will be adjusted and deal with where it went too far. One group of people who are all for the order, the lawyers. Well over one hundred poured into Dulles this morning. They are rushing into Airports everywhere with contract for clients to sign in one hand and orders for Mercedes thy want to buy in the other. There is no ill wind that doesn't blow some one some good.
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The lawyers at the airports are pro bono lawyers. Get your facts right.
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Well, Schumer was one of the first to sound the alarm about Muslim terrorists after the Oklahoma City bombing, until Timothy McVeigh was arrested. As I recall Schumer still has not apologized for that rush to judgment...
Never fear. Hypocrisy is alive and well in in our fair country and especially in our halls of government, and lo, we*re still waiting for the Saudi government and its surfeit of bored princes to be held accountable for what they*ve unleashed and fund throughout the Muslim world--which is busily engaged in wiping out whatever sects the guardians of the holy places deem heretical.
Meanwhile, up in Canada, the two attackers in the mosque shooting have been identified, and guess who one of *em is...
Never fear. Hypocrisy is alive and well in in our fair country and especially in our halls of government, and lo, we*re still waiting for the Saudi government and its surfeit of bored princes to be held accountable for what they*ve unleashed and fund throughout the Muslim world--which is busily engaged in wiping out whatever sects the guardians of the holy places deem heretical.
Meanwhile, up in Canada, the two attackers in the mosque shooting have been identified, and guess who one of *em is...
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One has been arrested and he is a native Canadian with a French name. The other with the Arab sounding name is a witness.
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Trump travel order doesn't sow chaos, the opposition media does that.
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Chaos was created by a poorly written Order, imposed without notice. There were no directions to the agencies tasked with enforcing the Order.
Multi-national corporations do not like chaos. We are going to lose businesses because of the chaos.
After one long week watching Trump in action, it is clear to me that chaos is a goal.
Multi-national corporations do not like chaos. We are going to lose businesses because of the chaos.
After one long week watching Trump in action, it is clear to me that chaos is a goal.
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He's been in office a week and turned the United States into a refugee camp for a couple days. This nihilism smells like Steve Bannon. Bannon reminds me of the homeless person outside my grocery, that Trump put in a suit and made de facto President.
We see Breitbart herding people with valid visas into refugee camps, splitting families; we hear Breitbart issuing Holocaust-denying words as a Presidential message on Holocaust Remembrance Day; we have Breitbart on the NSC, bumping the Dir. of National Intelligence and Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. President Breitbart!
Paul Ryan has Stockholm Syndrome, total capitulation. He's useless except to rubber-stamp Bannon/Trump. We do have senators from the Republican side who 'get' that the Senate is a Breitbart target too--to be tolerated only so long as they 'shut up' (like the media), otherwise they'll be demonized in the alt-right press. Praise is in order for Senators McCain, Graham, Portman, Collins, Sasse, Flake for doing the right thing against the grain.
Starting now, we need to take the House of Representatives away from the Republican party. Bannon/Trump is doing crazy stuff with zero control, other than what the ACLU (another hero!) can do in court after the fact. The House owns the money; the House can exert control. What to do: go to www.swingleft.com and find your nearest contested District (for example, mine is CA-25). Take back that District, and take back our beloved Nation from these nuts.
We see Breitbart herding people with valid visas into refugee camps, splitting families; we hear Breitbart issuing Holocaust-denying words as a Presidential message on Holocaust Remembrance Day; we have Breitbart on the NSC, bumping the Dir. of National Intelligence and Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. President Breitbart!
Paul Ryan has Stockholm Syndrome, total capitulation. He's useless except to rubber-stamp Bannon/Trump. We do have senators from the Republican side who 'get' that the Senate is a Breitbart target too--to be tolerated only so long as they 'shut up' (like the media), otherwise they'll be demonized in the alt-right press. Praise is in order for Senators McCain, Graham, Portman, Collins, Sasse, Flake for doing the right thing against the grain.
Starting now, we need to take the House of Representatives away from the Republican party. Bannon/Trump is doing crazy stuff with zero control, other than what the ACLU (another hero!) can do in court after the fact. The House owns the money; the House can exert control. What to do: go to www.swingleft.com and find your nearest contested District (for example, mine is CA-25). Take back that District, and take back our beloved Nation from these nuts.
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There is no crisis except in the minds of those invested in globalism. The rest of American humanity applauds the president and is looking forward to some peace and quiet whenever the Libs can manage it.
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And now trump is announcing that he will announce his Supreme Court nominee via twitter tomorrow as if he's trying to hold the public hostage in suspense. And treating his presidency like it's a reality show. GIVE ME A BREAK, trump is a disgrace to the office of presidency. He's treating the American public like we are lazy tv zombies. SAD.
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I'm a second generation American, so no green card for me, thank goodness, and I like to say that this is a nation of immigrants. But even more important to me is that we are a nation of laws.
I will repeat, a nation of laws, and we have so many immigration statutes and policies in place already, it's stunning. I would have no problem with the administration's ramping up existing laws, but they just can't be bothered. This is because they just don't care and they think they can get away with it. Trump and Bannon have never worked in government and I don't think they understand that we do things in this country on the basis of law, and we mean it. Even Mitch McConnell is dodging the issue by saying it will be decided by the courts.
That's right, we have courts, and we have laws. What was done this weekend was a disgrace and an embarrassment.
And lastly, let's not forget that Saudi Arabia, who sent us the majority of the 9/11 terrorists, was not on the list. So we have hypocrisy, also.
If I look to see a light in this mess is that Americans will perhaps make a stab at understanding how our government does things. It's complicated, and set up in a way that prevents a dictator from taking control. We have a system of checks and balances that admittedly sometimes bog things down, but it also slows down an act like this which is nothing but a blatant Nazi power grab.
I will repeat, a nation of laws, and we have so many immigration statutes and policies in place already, it's stunning. I would have no problem with the administration's ramping up existing laws, but they just can't be bothered. This is because they just don't care and they think they can get away with it. Trump and Bannon have never worked in government and I don't think they understand that we do things in this country on the basis of law, and we mean it. Even Mitch McConnell is dodging the issue by saying it will be decided by the courts.
That's right, we have courts, and we have laws. What was done this weekend was a disgrace and an embarrassment.
And lastly, let's not forget that Saudi Arabia, who sent us the majority of the 9/11 terrorists, was not on the list. So we have hypocrisy, also.
If I look to see a light in this mess is that Americans will perhaps make a stab at understanding how our government does things. It's complicated, and set up in a way that prevents a dictator from taking control. We have a system of checks and balances that admittedly sometimes bog things down, but it also slows down an act like this which is nothing but a blatant Nazi power grab.
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Lately when immigration changes are put through the legislature they are so full of "gifts" to lobbyists they are trash. Like that bad SB 744.
The so-called Christians who wrote this ban are not Christians.
The so-called Americans who wrote this ban are not Americans.
The so-called Americans who wrote this ban are not Americans.
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I cried on November 9th
I was afraid of what was to come
Now I see my fear into realities
It is much worse than I ever thought
2018 cannot come quickly enough
An impeachment will give us Pence and he is no more reasonable as he is devoted to the Koch Brothers
We are really in for it
It will take decades to undo this harm
I was afraid of what was to come
Now I see my fear into realities
It is much worse than I ever thought
2018 cannot come quickly enough
An impeachment will give us Pence and he is no more reasonable as he is devoted to the Koch Brothers
We are really in for it
It will take decades to undo this harm
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1.) A republican House and Senate will not impeach their own: only under dire and extreme circumstances would they.
2.) An impeachment does not mean a president is thrown out of office. It is only the first step in removing a person from office. Removal from office only happens when the impeached president is brought up on charges and found guilty.
3.) Pence is worse than Trump!
4.) Maybe not decades. We can begin by taking back the House or Senate in the midterm elections two years from now. Let's hope!
5.) I suspect that if the majority of people who said they voted but didn't (those who post here and who are having their voices heard in other mediums: protests, etc.) we wouldn't be in this mess.
2.) An impeachment does not mean a president is thrown out of office. It is only the first step in removing a person from office. Removal from office only happens when the impeached president is brought up on charges and found guilty.
3.) Pence is worse than Trump!
4.) Maybe not decades. We can begin by taking back the House or Senate in the midterm elections two years from now. Let's hope!
5.) I suspect that if the majority of people who said they voted but didn't (those who post here and who are having their voices heard in other mediums: protests, etc.) we wouldn't be in this mess.
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I am sitting here trying to imagine the life of a refugee. How is it remotely possible that if I spent months even years at a miserably overcrowded refugee camp after leaving my own homeland against my will after either family members were killed or jobs/business lost or under threat of the lives of my family to even imagine that I would go to a country that has given me refuge after intensive background checks to bite the hand that fed me? I am sorry, my imagination is not strong enough to visualize it. These will more than likely be our most loyal and productive citizens of the future and we treat them with such disdain and loathing. Preposterous.
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Terrorists who have acted on US soil have come from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Afghanistan. NONE OF THESE COUNTRIES' CITIZENS ARE BANNED.
Trump bans Muslims from poor countries where he isn't doing business. He is a greedy racist.
Trump bans Muslims from poor countries where he isn't doing business. He is a greedy racist.
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We do NOT need to see a Muslim woman protesting as she has wrapped her head in an American flag. (your front page picture). Right there it shows a lack of respect for the United States and no understanding of what our flag means. I'm a "blue" from a "red"state, but enough is enough. My rights should mean something, too and those of us who are remaining silent might have an opinion as well.
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Sorry, but you NEED to see it. Flag desecration (and the values for which it stands)
is being committed by our president.
is being committed by our president.
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Sorry, but Trump and his enablers show no understanding of what the American flag means.
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Someone wrapping her head in the flag interferes with your rights?
Do tell. I can't wait to hear the logic on this.
Do tell. I can't wait to hear the logic on this.
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Trump seems completely indifferent to the chaos he caused. His lack of leadership is again and again troublesome.
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More than feeling indifferent toward the chaos, Trump, Bannon and Conway are delighted by it. Their intent is to destabilize our political system so that they can seize control of it. They've already accomplished this with the Republican Party.
Don't be confused about the lies. They don't expect us to believe them. Instead,they expect us to become accustomed to the lies, and abandon any hope of holding the administration accountable. If you don't want to protest in the streets, the best alternative is to send money to the ACLU.
Don't be confused about the lies. They don't expect us to believe them. Instead,they expect us to become accustomed to the lies, and abandon any hope of holding the administration accountable. If you don't want to protest in the streets, the best alternative is to send money to the ACLU.
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Isis has killed and persecuted more muslims than Christians... Fact............ So when President Trump says Christians go to the front of the line because they were persecuted this is anti Muslim retoric. Now that Mr Bannan the Alt Right Guru has a permanent seat of the "Nation Security Council" more of this kid of beheavior is coming...... Extreme Vetting has been going on for years. It takes as much as two years for someone to be vetted. President Trump wants to give Americans the impression that people were given an interview and then allowed to enter the country.
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Check yourself. You're OK with ISIS killing Muslim? Is that racist or what?
If ISIS is going around killing anyone, not just white people or Christians, on the basis of race or religion that is wrong.
We don't need or want them here.
If ISIS is going around killing anyone, not just white people or Christians, on the basis of race or religion that is wrong.
We don't need or want them here.
Exactly how long are we willing to let this little experiment of having a president with no qualifications on running a country to play out? It's a nice idea that anyone can grow up to be anything but it's simply not true. If you don't have a background in nuclear physics, you'll never become a nuclear physicist. But here we are in a time when someone with absolutely no idea (and appears to be unwilling to learn) about the rules of conduct in international diplomacy or how to run a country.
Back when the Constitution was written (and the world was run by 'educated' white men), the only specifications they felt necessary was that an individual was 35 or older and that he/she is a natural born citizen. I think we can all be realistic and recognize that is not enough qualifications to run the US (let alone any country). There needs to be stronger qualifications to being a president to prevent this from happening in the future. It's a lot easier rolling down a hill than trying to climb back up it and from what we have witnessed in just the first days into the new presidency, it seems like we're snowballing down the hill.
Back when the Constitution was written (and the world was run by 'educated' white men), the only specifications they felt necessary was that an individual was 35 or older and that he/she is a natural born citizen. I think we can all be realistic and recognize that is not enough qualifications to run the US (let alone any country). There needs to be stronger qualifications to being a president to prevent this from happening in the future. It's a lot easier rolling down a hill than trying to climb back up it and from what we have witnessed in just the first days into the new presidency, it seems like we're snowballing down the hill.
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I would like to see the actual analysis of the visa and immigration procedures that were in place when the current administration took office. What were the weaknesses? What was working? What data did they use to make the analysis? What might the consequences be of the proposed actions? The statement "we need extreme vetting" explains nothing.
In this instance, as in everything else, "trust me, I'm the president" is replacing reasoned, careful analysis of the issues. "Trust me" is never an appropriate basis for executive action, all the more so when it can mean a death sentence for those affected.
In this instance, as in everything else, "trust me, I'm the president" is replacing reasoned, careful analysis of the issues. "Trust me" is never an appropriate basis for executive action, all the more so when it can mean a death sentence for those affected.
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This kind of discord is clearly becoming Trump's MO. Impatient for change and eager to wake up Congress and American citizens, Trump is all too willing to send half baked demands out into the world to make them a priority. Politics and politeness in the past has been painfully slow and often results in watered down versions of the original intent. Look at Gitmo. It's still open.
Trump should have vetted his executive order with the proper agencies but that would not have scored him the political points he so desperately desires. Meanwhile, when the inevitable terrorist attack occurs under his watch, he now has the political cover to say that he made the effort to prevent it.
This is Trump's management style and it is not likely to change. What can anyone expect from a business man mentality where managers and bosses set unreasonably high expectations with results they want yesterday? CEOs do this daily knowing that they will probably get only half of what they are seeking in the same amount of time it would reasonably take to accomplish the goal. Politicians and government bureaucrats are not used to this but corporate employees live with this daily.
As terrible as his executive order on immigration has been, Trump doesn't really care. He achieved the goal he wanted to accomplish all along: to get people to pay attention and do something about it.
Trump should have vetted his executive order with the proper agencies but that would not have scored him the political points he so desperately desires. Meanwhile, when the inevitable terrorist attack occurs under his watch, he now has the political cover to say that he made the effort to prevent it.
This is Trump's management style and it is not likely to change. What can anyone expect from a business man mentality where managers and bosses set unreasonably high expectations with results they want yesterday? CEOs do this daily knowing that they will probably get only half of what they are seeking in the same amount of time it would reasonably take to accomplish the goal. Politicians and government bureaucrats are not used to this but corporate employees live with this daily.
As terrible as his executive order on immigration has been, Trump doesn't really care. He achieved the goal he wanted to accomplish all along: to get people to pay attention and do something about it.
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Chaos?! That's... that's.. *impossible*! A businessman is running the gubmint now! Have you forgotten??
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The executive order is not explicitly about discriminating against Muslims but it does give exceptions for those from minority creeds, and that tends to shape it as focusing upon Muslims. One may argue that the minority creeds have been targeted by the terrorists but the vast majority of people victimized are indeed Muslims, because the terrorists are not actually motivated by religious fanaticism but political fanaticism. The source of this executive action is not some clear and present danger, it's the product of people who have a narrative running in their heads that we are in a clash of civilizations and Islam is the adversary, that is more based upon fear of the unknown than any preponderance of the evidence but which has often been asserted by Flynn and Bannon's Breitbart. Trump's campaign pretty much defined how the world sees his actions as President, and it's a depressing and defeated view of the world that he continually repeated to cheering audiences and which grabbed the favor of 47% of the electorate. He's proving that he never knew anything about which he asserted he was a genius, and he continues to claim that every snafu is a perfectly execute coup. He and his excusers are rapidly becoming as believable as was 'Bagdad Bob'
Not an executive order, a moron order. Republicans finally realized their goal, a clown car in the Whitehouse. Watch out world
GOP, if you have any character and courage, now is the time to show it.
GOP, if you have any character and courage, now is the time to show it.
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The travel ban is the latest smokescreen to get the focus off the last bombshell. The security council issue is nearly forgotten already, along with the Russian hacking and the unqualified appointments. Seems to be a pattern here; scandal->outrage->new scandal->outrage->old scandal forgotten->new scandal. Maybe it is giving them too much credit, but it seems to be a working strategy.
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What worries me is Trump may start adding more countries to the list for other protectionist reasons.
1
Are there no sane Republicans left to stop this off the wall president? He is not well.
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You can blame this on Trump's new Rasputin (Bannon). Bannon will drive this country so far right It will fall off the flat earth.
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Our Congress had better Impeach Trump before this fool turns the entire world into an enemy. He just bolstered ISIS membership with a stroke of a pen. What he has planned next for trade will cause the next American and most likely a World wide depression. Who knows what can happen next. We now have a genuine know-nothing in the White House.
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Good grief C. Brown!
Trump will not serve out his term. At some point he'll realise what a mess he's made and leave it in Pence's lap. Of course by then there won't be much of a country left.
Trump will not serve out his term. At some point he'll realise what a mess he's made and leave it in Pence's lap. Of course by then there won't be much of a country left.
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You're right and what is left won't survive Pence, Ryan et al.
Make no mistake - under this administration, we as a nation are moving towards isolationism. Building walls, closing our doors, cutting ties, unilaterally abrogating treaties and agreements, spewing hate and spreading fear toward those who do not meet (religious/ethnic/locale/etc) requirements. As we continue to move towards isolationism, it would be useful to look at the various nations that have "functioned" under that policy. A current one that comes to mind is North Korea. The government has absolute control over all information, sources and media, shakes its saber at enemies real and imagined, and has no hesitation keeping the world on edge to meet its own ("North Korea First" sounds a likely slogan) needs.
And what happens to a citizenry living in a walled-off country, with all its doors and windows locked and covered to "protect" itself against the outside world, sticking its collective head in the sand, because the outside world, we are told over and over, is "dangerous" and we must, above all else, be "safe"? That citizenry becomes scared, more and more obsessed with the illusion of "safety" it has tried so hard to create, and ultimately withers into an empty shell of its former self, paranoid and afraid of its own kind.
It is heartening to see the citizenry react so quickly and clearly, and to hear leaders denounce such actions. The heat must kept up, for this administration shows the same attitude towards its own citizenry and the outside world as North Korea.
And what happens to a citizenry living in a walled-off country, with all its doors and windows locked and covered to "protect" itself against the outside world, sticking its collective head in the sand, because the outside world, we are told over and over, is "dangerous" and we must, above all else, be "safe"? That citizenry becomes scared, more and more obsessed with the illusion of "safety" it has tried so hard to create, and ultimately withers into an empty shell of its former self, paranoid and afraid of its own kind.
It is heartening to see the citizenry react so quickly and clearly, and to hear leaders denounce such actions. The heat must kept up, for this administration shows the same attitude towards its own citizenry and the outside world as North Korea.
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As the son of an immigrant from one of those listed Countries it was easy for me to imagine what it would have been like had my grandma, aunt, or cousin happened to have been traveling out of the country when this reckless order was signed.
My cousin - here now on a Green Card - left his parents to come to the USA in 2006 with dreams of going to college and owning his own Engineering business. Had he happened to take a weekend trip to Canada or Mexico last week he could have been sent back home or at the very least unlawfully detained. Despite this aberration of procedure and our longstanding tradition of welcoming immigrants, much less those that have been here a decade and are "American" in every way but for one slip of paper, what really concerns me is that this does nothing but bolster the claims of the terrorists it was put in place to protect us from.
My cousin - here now on a Green Card - left his parents to come to the USA in 2006 with dreams of going to college and owning his own Engineering business. Had he happened to take a weekend trip to Canada or Mexico last week he could have been sent back home or at the very least unlawfully detained. Despite this aberration of procedure and our longstanding tradition of welcoming immigrants, much less those that have been here a decade and are "American" in every way but for one slip of paper, what really concerns me is that this does nothing but bolster the claims of the terrorists it was put in place to protect us from.
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Impeachment proceedings should begin now. And, no approvals of his cabinet posts.
Thanks to all who were not listening to what this man was saying during the campaign and voted for this individual. And if you were listening, maybe check in on you American values -- you may have lost them!
Thanks to all who were not listening to what this man was saying during the campaign and voted for this individual. And if you were listening, maybe check in on you American values -- you may have lost them!
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This oppositional behavior is getting so tedious. Time to grow up and face reality. Trump is not only the president, but he's also delivering on his campaign promises.
Next time, pick a better candidate.
Next time, pick a better candidate.
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The orders are given as quickly as possible to prevent non-white immigrants under the cover of national security. The inflow of foreigners will be limited through 'extremely vetting' process, which simply means sit on the VISA applications without acting for an indefinite period. Steve Bannon is concerned about cultural changes in the society due to non-white immigrants. Next step to follow is set preferences with higher preferences to Europe as it was before. Trump will focus on personal business development while diverting the press to focus on trivial issues. The country took a big gamble in electing Trump, but as in casino, customers loose. Trump will be judged by his promise to create well paying manufacturing jobs. The jury is still out on that one.
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So right! The big test will be how he reacts to "No" from his party and "Can't Do" from the courts. If he ignores them, then we know where we stand and should take appropriate actions to impeach.
Disruptive? Poorly thought out? Sends the wrong message? Bordering on the xenophobic? Sure. All of those and more. But "worldwide chaos"? Pleeeze. What words will you have left to describe something truly horrendous? Is there anyone in the newsroom older than 25?
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So many sad things about mentally ill, Lyin Donald make constructing a list difficult. But, he helps whenever he opens his pie-hole or uses his thumbs. So ignorant! So dumb! So mentally ill! So lacking in any concept of right and wrong! Like many others, pretty much every time he shoots his mouth off, I'm ashamed to be an American. On the bright side: at least he did not [yet] launch nukes.
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Americans will be no safer as a result of this policy (the absolute risks from terrorist acts on American soil are already nearly immeasurably small), and quite possibly less safe. And the cost? We're selling out our country's core values. It's an awful policy for which we should all - Democrat or Republican, religious or atheist - be ashamed.
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Hey, the guy says it's not about religion or his business interests, it's about keeping Americans safe. He said it, so I believe it. Don's a standup guy, amiright?
3
Trump reminds me of a domestic abuser - the spouse who creates chaos in the family system or relationship that keeps the other party/parties in a high state of anxiety and fear. [Here, of course, in the case of Trump, I'm talking about the "other" as our nation, the work.] Living in this dynamic of terror, the other person also becomes confused, demoralized, depressed, isolated.
Power and growth for the abused other first comes from solidarity with others - first, to acknowledge they are in an abusive relationship, hearing their stories of abuse then taking "the long walk to freedom" together to claim their unique dignity.
Acknowledging that Trump is an abuser (I am concerned about First Lady Melania, as well) is critical. Then together, we take on actions together that say "NO!" to abuse wherever and however it is demonstrated. We will always be strong together in action(s) that honor our integrity as a nation.
Power and growth for the abused other first comes from solidarity with others - first, to acknowledge they are in an abusive relationship, hearing their stories of abuse then taking "the long walk to freedom" together to claim their unique dignity.
Acknowledging that Trump is an abuser (I am concerned about First Lady Melania, as well) is critical. Then together, we take on actions together that say "NO!" to abuse wherever and however it is demonstrated. We will always be strong together in action(s) that honor our integrity as a nation.
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If ISIS was putting together a playbook for what they want Trump to do, this would be exactly it.
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Not all of it: ISIS still wants the USG to be more openly anti Muslim. So right now, Trump is getting ready to order a badly thought out, impetuous plan to drop bombs on the ISIS capital, which, like the EO, going to hurt innocents a lot and terrorists not at all. Bet on it.
This kind of discord is clearly becoming the Trump's MO. Impatient for change and eager to wake up Congress and American citizens, Trump is all too willing to send half baked demands out into the world to make them a priority. Politics and politeness in the past has been painfully slow and often results in watered down versions of the original intent. Look at what Gitmo. It's still open.
Trump should have vetted his executive order with the proper agencies but that would not have scored him the political points he so desperately desires. Meanwhile, when the inevitable terrorist attack occurs under his watch, he now has the political cover to say that he made the effort to prevent it.
This is Trump's management style and it is not likely to change. What can anyone expect from a business man mentality where managers and bosses set unreasonably high expectations with results they want yesterday? CEOs do this daily knowing that they will probably get only half of what they are seeking in the same amount of time it would reasonably take to accomplish the goal.
As terrible as his executive order on immigration has been, Trump doesn't really care. He achieved the goal he wanted to accomplish all along: to get people to pay attention and do something about it.
Trump should have vetted his executive order with the proper agencies but that would not have scored him the political points he so desperately desires. Meanwhile, when the inevitable terrorist attack occurs under his watch, he now has the political cover to say that he made the effort to prevent it.
This is Trump's management style and it is not likely to change. What can anyone expect from a business man mentality where managers and bosses set unreasonably high expectations with results they want yesterday? CEOs do this daily knowing that they will probably get only half of what they are seeking in the same amount of time it would reasonably take to accomplish the goal.
As terrible as his executive order on immigration has been, Trump doesn't really care. He achieved the goal he wanted to accomplish all along: to get people to pay attention and do something about it.
Psychopaths are masters of misdirection. I'm telling you people, this chaos is the smoke screen. There is absolutely no benefit to this order. It doesn't increase safety, in fact, it weakens it, overburdening our defenses with petty paperwork.
So, the real question is, what is Trump getting away with as he distracts the population and media with this stunt?
What about all the power being consolidated under Bannon by eliminating top advisor positions in security?
So, the real question is, what is Trump getting away with as he distracts the population and media with this stunt?
What about all the power being consolidated under Bannon by eliminating top advisor positions in security?
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This is just Trump trying to bring back the 1300's to the world. With the factories, he wants the 1910's, with religion, a good deal earlier. The problem is that the USA is not the whole world. The Europeans are put on notice to take care of themselves, so do not be surprised aobut what happens next in trade or in regard to global US firms like Google or Facebook.
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There is a Christian genocide in areas controlled by ISIS, Not giving preference to Christians from the ME would be like not giving preference to Jewish people during Nazi rule.
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But the EO bans refugees from the areas controlled by ISIS. So nobody is coming.
At this time, moreover, more Syrian refugees to the US are Christian than Muslim now; Trump simply lied when he said Christians are discriminated against.
At this time, moreover, more Syrian refugees to the US are Christian than Muslim now; Trump simply lied when he said Christians are discriminated against.
Why is the impeachment taking so long?
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Wow, global chaos! Hardly. Global chaos was unleashed with the invasion of Iraq which began the endless wars the world now suffers. The New York Times was
a co-partner of that invasion. Not Trump.
a co-partner of that invasion. Not Trump.
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So how is it that Obama kept our country safe for 8 years and Trump can't do it for 8 days without this cruel and unconstitutional ban? When Obama stopped Syrians coming in to our country briefly, it was to strengthen the vetting process. Now Trump for no reason other than ideology inflicts America with a muslim ban that runs counter to our constitution and our values.
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Obama did it for six months. This is clearly the same type of thing.
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"Cruel and unconstitutional ban"? The president clearly has the power to control our borders. And if you read the Executive Order, you will see that the "ban" is for 90 days until the vetting process can be strengthened, where Barack Obama banned Syrians for 180 days.
Only 7 countries are affected, and few travelers come from those war-torn, largely lawless countries (except for Iran, which is an avowed enemy of the United States chanting "Death to America" in government speeches). Now that the confusion as to whether green-card holders are exempt has been cleared up, the effects will be minimal as those who are thoroughly vetted will be allowed in on a case-by-case basis.
If Donald Trump had imposed a Muslim ban, that would have been cruel, possibly unconstitutional, and certainly counter to our values. But he did not. Far from it.
Only 7 countries are affected, and few travelers come from those war-torn, largely lawless countries (except for Iran, which is an avowed enemy of the United States chanting "Death to America" in government speeches). Now that the confusion as to whether green-card holders are exempt has been cleared up, the effects will be minimal as those who are thoroughly vetted will be allowed in on a case-by-case basis.
If Donald Trump had imposed a Muslim ban, that would have been cruel, possibly unconstitutional, and certainly counter to our values. But he did not. Far from it.
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insanity is the reason
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Wow! The NY Times & its readers seem to have panicked on Trump's TEMPORARY ban (three months) on immigrants from a few countries in the world. This panicked reaction is so over-the-top compared to the substance of the executive order that one can only read the commentary and note the protests in disbelief.
The sky is not falling and the USA will in fact survive the Trump presidency. It is past time for the country to tighten up its immigration requirements and secure its borders. Trump is only doing what he promised to do (even less when you read the actual effect of the orders) and has said repeatedly that he wants to reorganize our immigration system.
His opponents have the right to peaceably protest his actions and seek legal review of them. It is likely that the courts will be busy for the next couple of years carefully analyzing his actions in accordance with our Constitution. Let the litigation begin. At the end of the judicial review, these orders will probably be modified or changed somewhat but the substance of executive implementation of the nation's immigration laws will be sustained.
The sky is not falling and the USA will in fact survive the Trump presidency. It is past time for the country to tighten up its immigration requirements and secure its borders. Trump is only doing what he promised to do (even less when you read the actual effect of the orders) and has said repeatedly that he wants to reorganize our immigration system.
His opponents have the right to peaceably protest his actions and seek legal review of them. It is likely that the courts will be busy for the next couple of years carefully analyzing his actions in accordance with our Constitution. Let the litigation begin. At the end of the judicial review, these orders will probably be modified or changed somewhat but the substance of executive implementation of the nation's immigration laws will be sustained.
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Yes, and the ACLU is finally relevant again. It doesn't have a strong case but it sure has a strong fundraiser.
Throughout the campaign I observed a trend. Trump would project his own flaws onto Hillary. So when he said "there would be a Constitutional crisis if Hillary were elected", I knew that it really meant there would be one if he were elected.
I just thought it would take more than a week.
I just thought it would take more than a week.
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Trump says that this move is not informed by a bigoted agenda rather a desire to protect us from terrorists.
First off, Trump is a well established liar at this point. Nothing he says can be accepted as sincere. That is just a sorry fact. Sad!
The other problem with his statement is that it ignores other well established fact backed up by data regarding terrorist acts in the US since 9/11. This move would have had ZERO effect on preventing acts of terror in the instances where we had attacks in this country post 9/11. Not only that, but it doesn't take a master analyst to conclude that actions such as this only serve to justify terrorist acts and accelerate recruitment efforts by the likes of ISIL and Al qaeda.
Since this is the same guy who still thinks climate change is a farce, I have no problem believing that he would think something like this would not only work, but be readily accepted by Americans. Hopefully spineless Republicans will stand up to their dim leader, even if it is only because any association with Trump is starting to become an ever growing political liability. Again...Sad!
First off, Trump is a well established liar at this point. Nothing he says can be accepted as sincere. That is just a sorry fact. Sad!
The other problem with his statement is that it ignores other well established fact backed up by data regarding terrorist acts in the US since 9/11. This move would have had ZERO effect on preventing acts of terror in the instances where we had attacks in this country post 9/11. Not only that, but it doesn't take a master analyst to conclude that actions such as this only serve to justify terrorist acts and accelerate recruitment efforts by the likes of ISIL and Al qaeda.
Since this is the same guy who still thinks climate change is a farce, I have no problem believing that he would think something like this would not only work, but be readily accepted by Americans. Hopefully spineless Republicans will stand up to their dim leader, even if it is only because any association with Trump is starting to become an ever growing political liability. Again...Sad!
Are there any Trumpists who are beginning to have buyers remorse?
If so, why not? Do you honestly think Trump making enemies with our allies and neighbors to the North and South (Mexico and Canada have denounced Trump) and around the world is a good thing?
Do you think this is going to bring back your jobs when we have no one who is willing to trade with us?
What in heaven's name were you thinking? The people who are going to be hurt the most are Trumpians who voted for jobs and security, and will get neither.
You're not getting your old jobs back, your health care benefits will evaporate, as will your Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security benefits. You'll be more destitute than you are now.
You voted for an idiot, a demagogue and a mad man. What you'll get is madness. What the heck did you expect?
DD
Manhattan
If so, why not? Do you honestly think Trump making enemies with our allies and neighbors to the North and South (Mexico and Canada have denounced Trump) and around the world is a good thing?
Do you think this is going to bring back your jobs when we have no one who is willing to trade with us?
What in heaven's name were you thinking? The people who are going to be hurt the most are Trumpians who voted for jobs and security, and will get neither.
You're not getting your old jobs back, your health care benefits will evaporate, as will your Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security benefits. You'll be more destitute than you are now.
You voted for an idiot, a demagogue and a mad man. What you'll get is madness. What the heck did you expect?
DD
Manhattan
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I think we can all agree, regardless of red state or blue or political leanings, that we want our country to be safe. In theory, I've no problem with careful vetting and people form anywhere in the world coming here. But, this was rolled out without thought, without input from seasoned national security people, and with what appears to be a religious agenda. The religious agenda is precisely what ISIL wants- to be able to turn their cause into a clash of religions and civilization, which will help them recruit and radicalized even more young people. Additionally, from my fairly careful reading of news over the years, it seems as thought the Obama administration was doing careful vetting, and it's hard to understand what needed improvement. If anything, the process could be studied and made more efficiently if necessary, without alienating the world and blindly playing into the narrative of ISIL. And, at least for me, it's already been regrettable that even under Obama we let fewer refugees into our country that I believe we should have. Letting them into our safe haven is the best counter narrative to the radical fundamentalist narrative, and would help us be safer. So, I don't feel safer today than last week. I feel less safe, especially knowing that Bannon was probably driving this and now has a special place in our security apparatus, which he knows little about and has no experience in.
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Congress! Impeach him immediately . Protect this president from himself .
A typical Fri for Trump.. although Holocaust Remembrance Day is not typical for some. This administration does not represent most Americans, since so many of all faiths showed up to demonstrate their distain for a murky ill conceived, unlawful edict by the buffoon/tyrant. No surprises here. Donald Trump is NOT undependable; his public behavior for the last 18+ months has been unstable and we can depend on the same as long as he is in public service [I use this term lightly]. It was obvious that he wanted power for his own aggrandizement
and needy ego, and his experience has always been about the Donald.
For those who admire this maniac, the lights are going out on what once was a beacon of hope for so many. With the stroke of a pen he has decimated this country.
and needy ego, and his experience has always been about the Donald.
For those who admire this maniac, the lights are going out on what once was a beacon of hope for so many. With the stroke of a pen he has decimated this country.
Not only are Trump and his troops hateful and bigoted, they are bunglers of the first order. Does anyone in the administration think before they act?
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Let's face it! Trump and his followers are cowards and the one thing that they have proven without a doubt is that America is not a "Christian" nation. Those people who support this paranoid manic narcissist with delusions of grandeur are full of hate and fear.
America is better than this and Trump is supported by a minority of this population. It is time to get rid of the cowardly republican congress and senate and try and keep the Putin/Trump administration from destroying civilization.
America is better than this and Trump is supported by a minority of this population. It is time to get rid of the cowardly republican congress and senate and try and keep the Putin/Trump administration from destroying civilization.
I doubt it will raise any concerns among boobus americanus that adores Trump,but as that eminent scholar Kim Kardashian pointed out on social media and others have as well, what is amazing about this list is it includes countries that have killed 0 Americans at home, while countries that have supplied terrorists that have killed many Americans are not on the list: Saudi Arabia (the prime instigator of Islamic radicalism), Pakistan (the country that hid Osama Bin Laden), Egypt (roughly 160 US folks killed by those of Egyptian origin), Lebanon.....anyone wonder why? Could it be the 7 countries singled out have no business ties with Trump, while the others do?
We now hear about protests over new travel and immigration policies from CEOs from Ford, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Tesla, etc. who all wish to dislocate American workers by automating jobs with self-driving cars and chat-bots and who are now concerned that their foreign workforce visas will be more carefully scrutinized. I am sorry, but these CEOs do not care about American workers and make no effort to train Americans for these jobs, so they are the ones who are un-American.
These CEOs have no moral credibility on religious freedom. If concerned about religious freedom, then why not speak out against government's forcing Catholic nuns to pay for birth control in their health insurance?
These CEOs have no moral credibility on religious freedom. If concerned about religious freedom, then why not speak out against government's forcing Catholic nuns to pay for birth control in their health insurance?
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There are a lot of things I am opposed to that I pay for with insurance. I don't believe I should have to pay for men who want to have 4-hour erections, for example, when most insurance companies cover Viagra.
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You are right - follow the money. These companies are NOT interested in supporting the people who live here if they can squeeze out a few more bucks using third world employees.
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I'm beginning to think that Nigel Farage's aide that the FBI took away in handcuffs as they left the RNC convention on charges of laundering money on the Dark Net, was moving Russian money to award members of the GOP for disarming their party against Russian Aggression.
Sorry, FBI, I know how you like to hold your cards, but this one's an ace in the hole.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2521502/nigel-farage-aide-faces-20-years-i...
Money makes the world go mad.
Sorry, FBI, I know how you like to hold your cards, but this one's an ace in the hole.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2521502/nigel-farage-aide-faces-20-years-i...
Money makes the world go mad.
Do "We the People" really want Trump and the GOP's war? This country's security was based on the how the country is shaped. Oceans on two sides with a common country above us that has common heritage with another friendly country below us with common heritage. Now Trump is taking a dump on Mexico and South America...and Mexico is starting to align with China. Also, with Global Warming effecting the lower hemisphere of the world first, and Mexico already running out of water as is our western United states and the Trump dumping Global Warming policy, pretty soon we won't be dealing with people attempting to survive, we will be dealing with enemy aliens.
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The Russian clown says it is about keeping terrorists away from the US?
Well, the 9/11 criminals were from Saudi Arabia (i.e. Osama bin Laden) and the rest were American born. The other terrorists acting in Europe are from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirate, Egypt and Dubai. Now why would the clown exclude these countries KNOWN to produce terrorists? Well, as it happens, they are all countries rich in oil and hotels. Guess what, the fellow has financial interests in ALL of these countries.
Get now his hypocrisy?
Well, the 9/11 criminals were from Saudi Arabia (i.e. Osama bin Laden) and the rest were American born. The other terrorists acting in Europe are from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirate, Egypt and Dubai. Now why would the clown exclude these countries KNOWN to produce terrorists? Well, as it happens, they are all countries rich in oil and hotels. Guess what, the fellow has financial interests in ALL of these countries.
Get now his hypocrisy?
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Good for you, Trump. At least he has an agenda and is doing what he said he would do. Right or wrong in NYTimes reader's eyes, there are many who agree with him. If that frightens you, then run for office and change things. Run, don't march for democracy. Make a change. That's what we voted for in November, and the silent majority spoke. It's not like this is a surprise. vote him out next time. Rally your troops. Did not see it happen in November, but oh, that's right, it was the Russians...
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actually Trump lost the popular vote. he was elected by the minority.
"it was the Russians..." brought to you by the CIA, FBI and fifteen more homeland security agencies. And BTW, you're the silent minority, not the majority, but oh, that's right, it was the illegals...
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William, do realize how illogical that is? If Trump's "agenda" was to start a war with China or Iran, would you say, "At least he as an agenda...?" Agendas should be well constructed and thoughtful. Trump's "agenda" does more to help ISIS than it does you, your family, or this country. Ask your self why he didn't choose Saudi Arabia, more terrorists have come from there than any of the countries he did choose.
This man is devoid of any care, of any compassion, or of any American value that made this nation great. He is so obsessed with himself that he has to display his signature for the world to see on his Executive Orders. Anyone who has even a semblance of Christian values cannot see this man as fit spiritually, morally, ethically, and mentally fit as our leader. He is driven by his corrupt thirst for power and his insane ego. History has seen others like him and the destruction they leave behind. If there is such a thing as an Anti-Christ, he is clearly that one. A great nation will fail when it is led by one who demonizes groups, that plays on the fears of others, who lies to it's people, and who only offers false hope. And this will only be the beginning, next will be other groups, our free press, and our privacy and liberties. From the land of the free to the land of the oppressed. It's not that far down the road.
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Americans killed by nationals of the following 0. Nationals of the following killed by Americans: hundreds of thousands.
-Iraq: 0
-Iran: 0
-Syria: 0
-Libya: 0
-Sudan: 0
-Yemen: 0
-Somalia: 0
-Iraq: 0
-Iran: 0
-Syria: 0
-Libya: 0
-Sudan: 0
-Yemen: 0
-Somalia: 0
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If Trump wants to make America safe again, tackle gun control.
Gun deaths > terrorist attack deaths in US
Way, way more...
Gun deaths > terrorist attack deaths in US
Way, way more...
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What happens to the least of us, happens to the rest of us.
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The way this order went into effect is a disgrace to the United States. I am actually wondering if there are senior staff at the State Department or Homeland Security who intentionally withheld guidance or effected their actions or directions to subordinates in such a way as to bring chaos and embarrassment to the country. If so, they should be dismissed. On the other hand, if they provided due cautions and the like, but were ignored, President Trump and his White House staff should be called before Congress to account for their wanton disregard.
I am sensing a disconnect happening between the civil service and the executive branch, and this does not portend good things for the near future at least.
I am sensing a disconnect happening between the civil service and the executive branch, and this does not portend good things for the near future at least.
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"This is not about religion." Is Trump insane? Does he actually listen to what comes out of his mouth? Asked and answered, I'm afraid.
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It's about facism, it's about ignorance and hatred. Trump is being played like a violin by his nazi advisor Bannon and the money that backs him. Pence smiles like a Chesire cat as he sees his vision of a white, Chrsitian America being put into place. RESIST
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I think this executive order was intended to create chaos and it did. More garbage out of the Trump WH at the hands of Trump's righthand man Steve Bannon. Bannon needs the boot, but then again so does Trump.
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Everything is playing out just the way I was afraid it would. Yes POTUS will do more things that will make the country and the world disgusted and disgraced. Trump is squandering the power his supporters gave him. He is in a position to be a president for all of us if he acted like a thoughtful adult - which he has never acted like. Great negotiator maybe, but thoughtful & admirable NO. His supporters should be telling him to act more presidential, more inclusive, because he WILL (mark my words) do something to get himself Impeached. He has surrounded himself with folks who are just like him (Bannon) who are bullies too so they are encouraging him to be just the way he is. AND, then we will all be stuck with Mike Pence as president!! Even most non right-wing Trump supporters will be upset - beyond upset. In my opinion, the GOP is holding their breath just waiting for him to do something to get himself in such hot water they will have their real pick - Mike Pence - in his seat as quick as possible. Trump is a thin skinned ego-maniac and that will be his downfall, unfortunately he's taking all of us with him. Also I predict the GOP is setting up the stage for Nikki Haley to be the first female president. Perhaps they will have her be Pence's VP pick then she is set up to take the role of POTUS so they can try to make the US feel like they won with a female president - extending their stay in Washington. We'll see of course but just my opinion.
Neither Putin, nor Stalin, nor Hitler, could have picked a better way to destroy the United States than our current GOP trifecta.
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The absolute best was listening to propaganda minister Kellyanne Goebbels yesterday explaining to Chris Wallace that the list of seven banned countries was actually created by President Obama.
You can't make this stuff up!
You can't make this stuff up!
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Re Schumer "chocked up," we do not need a choked up person to lead Democrats in the Senate--or anywhere else. The present Democratic "leadership" in the legislative branch should step aside and, maybe, mentor resolute, strongly articulate leaders just in the intricacies of maneuvering. It may be time for concerned Democrats everywhere to start supporting alternative challengers to representatives who fail to act to counter crass, authoritarian diktats.
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Last night I changed my one time donation to the ACLU to a monthly one. They're gonna need it.
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While I do not agree with the policy that legal visa holders are denied entry, the whole "refugee" issue needs to be understood better.
1) Neither the US nor the West can accept all refugees - financial or otherwise. Their systems will get overwhelmed completely.
2) Safe havens in areas that are affected by various crises needs to be established or enhanced until the crisis has resolved. This by itself will reduce the pressure to accept a "token" number of refugees.
3) Those who have helped the US need to be first in line.
4) A complete overhaul of legal immigration is necessary to ensure only the immigrant his/her spouse and children are eligible. Currently US Citizens can sponsor close and far off relatives. This needs to end. Those relatives should independently apply for immigration. When a person chooses to immigrate for economic reasons, it is voluntary. If families are "broken" it is by their choice not by US law.
The West these days seems to assume too much guilt. Yes the Iraq war was a disaster. But if the Iraqis or the Syrians cannot/will not govern. then our guilt should not overwhelm rational solutions.
1) Neither the US nor the West can accept all refugees - financial or otherwise. Their systems will get overwhelmed completely.
2) Safe havens in areas that are affected by various crises needs to be established or enhanced until the crisis has resolved. This by itself will reduce the pressure to accept a "token" number of refugees.
3) Those who have helped the US need to be first in line.
4) A complete overhaul of legal immigration is necessary to ensure only the immigrant his/her spouse and children are eligible. Currently US Citizens can sponsor close and far off relatives. This needs to end. Those relatives should independently apply for immigration. When a person chooses to immigrate for economic reasons, it is voluntary. If families are "broken" it is by their choice not by US law.
The West these days seems to assume too much guilt. Yes the Iraq war was a disaster. But if the Iraqis or the Syrians cannot/will not govern. then our guilt should not overwhelm rational solutions.
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken
― H.L. Mencken
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What is that sound we are hearing. . .? It's ISIS celebrating this latest misguided and under-thought policy directive from Donald Trump. Yes folks, this man is still trying to appease his 40% base, but under the guise of "keeping America safe" he has given ISIS a golden recruitment tool.
And who will pay the marker that this man so callously used with this executive order? Our military and innocent civilians. But not Donald Trump.
The real question here is how long will it take for Congress to step in and roadblock this president?
And who will pay the marker that this man so callously used with this executive order? Our military and innocent civilians. But not Donald Trump.
The real question here is how long will it take for Congress to step in and roadblock this president?
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I remember when Carter kicked out 50000 iranian students. Libs said nothing. I remember when Obama banned Iraqis for 6 months. Libs said nothing. Why they speaking up now? Political hacks.
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Your previous examples are not the same thing. Both of those times they were done with more checks and balances and processes in place that did not disrupt people who were already previously vetted and it was done in a way that didn't insult or hurt an entire religion. Jimmy Carter did what he did because of the Iran hostage crisis: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/dec/17/why-trumps-musl...
As far as Obama: Per Foreign Policy: Contrary to Trump’s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not “ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” For one thing, refugees don’t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time, and there was not a single month in which no Iraqis arrived here. In other words, while there were delays in processing, there was no outright ban.
3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees, still the only terrorism-related arrests out of about 130,000 Iraqi refugees and SIV holders admitted to the United States.
As far as Obama: Per Foreign Policy: Contrary to Trump’s Sunday statement and the repeated claims of his defenders, the Obama administration did not “ban visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.” For one thing, refugees don’t travel on visas. More importantly, while the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time, and there was not a single month in which no Iraqis arrived here. In other words, while there were delays in processing, there was no outright ban.
3. Grounded in specific threat: The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees, still the only terrorism-related arrests out of about 130,000 Iraqi refugees and SIV holders admitted to the United States.
The Republican Party and its leadership must stand up to Trump, and take control. We have had enough of this ugly, hateful, and unconstitutional behavior. Do the right thing-- the moral thing -- and start putting your country before party. We are watching. Act with integrity and decency and be on the right side of history. Hateful, thoughtless campaign promises make for terrible and dangerous policy.
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First impressions of this presidency? Disorganization, ineptitude, pandering to Trump's base not the U.S. as a whole, payback, fighting with neighbors, schmoozing with Putin, and absolutely no crises management skills. Oops, forgot inserting conspiracy theorists into high level positions over the military. How low can you go? I guess we are finding out.
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we'll see a new low any minute now
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Reince Priebus defends the ban basing the selection of the seven countries from precedent set by President Obama and the Congress. Wasn't that the reason Trump ran and brought all these fine folks to his team...to change the course and set his own course because he won the votes of the Electoral College? Why would they not include the countries that have active Muslim terror groups, or their birthplace in Saudi Arabia, such as Indonesia, Turkey, France and Belgium?
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Yeah, and poll taxes and literacy tests were not about race.
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And a faint but oh so powerful voice is calling out, Yes we can. Yes we can.
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What a disaster! A perfect model of GOP leadership in the White House, again.
Meanwhile the British government keeps encouraging vulnerable nationals to risk travel to the US.
Would anyone in their right mind trust any assurances by the US government while the rules may be changing hourly?
Would anyone in their right mind trust any assurances by the US government while the rules may be changing hourly?
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I guess it is only a matter of time before the fake Christians of the political right decide to repeal and replace the Golden Rule.
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President Trump is a reflection of the 1950's values of male dominance, cold war posturing and the old economy where the individual scoops up the profits. We now exist in a global economy that relies on innovation (not real estate), collaboration (not isolation) and inclusiveness (not divisiveness). If President Trump doesn't see this, it is because he has spent too much time bullying competitors from his eagle's nest in Trump Towers. President Trump needs to get out more and wander through the labs and work spaces of the disruptor economy. The world is moving forward and President Trump is like a boat anchor for America - a very old man with old ideas who is hindering America's ability to evolve. Just because he can tweet doesn't mean that he is a citizen of the 21st century.
Trump registered eight companies in Saudi Arabia, Trump has a cosy chat with the Prime Minister of Pakistan both have state sponsored terrorism and of course they are not on the list. Pretty plain to see what the great deceiver cares about and it isn't anything to do with security.
As the US's reputation in the Middle East falls, this leaves a void for Russia's presence to rise.
trump's statement that "this is not about religion" is like Hitler saying imprisoning and gassing European Jews was not about "Judaism." Would it have been more acceptable? Good grief, trump is more ridiculous and unhinged with every passing day. Pathetic. Just pathetic.
Securing our borders from Muslim countries, but not all Muslim countries - those where DT has business interests remain open...hmmm.
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As others have commented, this has Steve Bannon's fingerprints all over it. And why provoke such a crisis this early in Trump's term? Undoubtedly it's a dry run for further actions like this, and to see how current CBP agents can handle the workload before additional appropriations are made in the name of "Homeland Security."
Get ready, America.
Get ready, America.
Do Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have a ban on allowing Syrian refugees to enter their countries? These predominately Sunni countries have so few citizens that they import throngs of temporary workers from abroad. People from the Philippines, India, and all over the world move to these countries to work in housekeeping, construction, and many other occupations and also in professions. Why are the Saudis and the Emirates not taking in any Sunni Moslem refugees from Syria?
It would be much easier for the refugees to acclimate to Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E., both literally and culturally. Why do Syrian refugees have to move to Western countries when they could more easily move to one of the Mid-Eastern countries?
It would be much easier for the refugees to acclimate to Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E., both literally and culturally. Why do Syrian refugees have to move to Western countries when they could more easily move to one of the Mid-Eastern countries?
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Mr. Trump please don't insult people's intelligence by suggesting the chaos was created by Delta. You created this mess, own it.
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Trump is consistently a liar.
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Wait a minute!!! President is completely ruling by EO? This is looking more like an authoritarian regime in a third world country. Where the hell is Congress? Has it given up or become a complicit to the dismantling of our democratic process? Will someone please tell me what is going on.
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I am thoroughly embarrassed to be an American here in the UK. If Trump thinks that he is projecting strength to people around the world, he is sadly mistaken. Over here, save for a few UKIPers, he is viewed as a dangerous idiot who is daily making the world a less safe place. He is a source of derision, unlike anything I have ever seen amongst people over here in Europe.
To my mind, if he really wants to make America safer he may want to consider banning reentry of people from states that have harbored terrorists such as South Carolina (Dylann Roof) or New York (Timothy McVeigh).
To my mind, if he really wants to make America safer he may want to consider banning reentry of people from states that have harbored terrorists such as South Carolina (Dylann Roof) or New York (Timothy McVeigh).
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How is this not about religion when you say you'll give preferential treatment to Christians?
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Oh, and for the record? Keep our collective eyes on Steve Bannon. He is quite dangerous, as it is turning out, and way too influential.
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This administration has already proven its amateur status. Rule by chaos will be the norm. It's time to begin a concentrated effort to take them down. Where do I sign up?
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The interesting effect of Trump's ban? Muslims will enjoy a popularity among the American people as the underdog...which they have been for quite some time in actuality. Now, a majority of Americans will understand their situations like never before, and stand in solidarity with them.
Bring it on! Can't wait to see many exhibits of Middle Eastern art and culture; appreciations of the tenets of Islam as people learn what it truly is about and it is placed in historical context of its emergence. And get to know the Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, and other peoples from the Middle East who have been our neighbors, our doctors, our restaurantuers, our friends and colleagues, much better. Personally, I have found Iraqis to be funny, have great food, quite enjoyable as friends and colleagues, wonderful neighbors, and truly a great addition to our nation.
Their people and their country have suffered greatly; I hope this turn of events will actually end up helping them in the longer term as people come to know them and their very old and fascinating culture much, much better.
Bring it on! Can't wait to see many exhibits of Middle Eastern art and culture; appreciations of the tenets of Islam as people learn what it truly is about and it is placed in historical context of its emergence. And get to know the Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, and other peoples from the Middle East who have been our neighbors, our doctors, our restaurantuers, our friends and colleagues, much better. Personally, I have found Iraqis to be funny, have great food, quite enjoyable as friends and colleagues, wonderful neighbors, and truly a great addition to our nation.
Their people and their country have suffered greatly; I hope this turn of events will actually end up helping them in the longer term as people come to know them and their very old and fascinating culture much, much better.
He has himself to blame for the tone he has set and that is the primary difference between this broad and unspecific action and the one taken quietly by Obama in 2011 after the Kentucky incident. Also, why these countries and why now? And why such a hurry. This action simply breeds more hostility towards fellow Americans.
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Impeach and imprison. Bannon as well. The last thing our nation needs is a quasi-fascist government established by fools.
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Welcome to the Trump world that 47% of the voting public inflicted upon the rest of the Americans. Thank you also the democrats who have shown during the 8 years of Barack Obama's presidency what appears to me is a "cowardice" to stand up against the nasty comments and overt methods used by the Republicans to do exactly what their leader and followers announced to the world what he is going to do. Make our overwhelmingly elected president Barack Obama a "ONE TERM PRESIDENT" by NOT cooperating with him on almost everything..and they sure did that.
Then the guy who gave "birth" to that ludicrous "birther claim" decided to run for the presidency of the US by denigrating and scapegoating almost everyone and everything he could think of while at the same time ripping apart his opposition where they also had no idea what hit them.
Now this guy is president and showing just how ignorant he is about how the world and the political system in the US operates, has already caused massive world-wide resistance to his ill thought out programs.
He attacks our trading partner in the south while praising our political enemy or at best some one of whom we should be very wary.
Most Americans wonder whether our election process was adveresly affected by this "friend' of our president.
We have a guy as president who proclaims that he is smarter than most people, knows more about the world than most people, castigates our intelligence agencies and simply tweets and thumps on his chest.
Then the guy who gave "birth" to that ludicrous "birther claim" decided to run for the presidency of the US by denigrating and scapegoating almost everyone and everything he could think of while at the same time ripping apart his opposition where they also had no idea what hit them.
Now this guy is president and showing just how ignorant he is about how the world and the political system in the US operates, has already caused massive world-wide resistance to his ill thought out programs.
He attacks our trading partner in the south while praising our political enemy or at best some one of whom we should be very wary.
Most Americans wonder whether our election process was adveresly affected by this "friend' of our president.
We have a guy as president who proclaims that he is smarter than most people, knows more about the world than most people, castigates our intelligence agencies and simply tweets and thumps on his chest.
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I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.
“Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”
“National Review and The Weekly Standard,” he said, “are both left-wing magazines, and I want to destroy them also.” He added that “no one reads them or cares what they say.” (Both are conservative magazines)
Lenin said, “The art of any propagandist and agitator consists in his ability to find the best means of influencing any given audience, by presenting a definite truth, in such a way as to make it most convincing, most easy to digest, most graphic, and most strongly impressive.”
“Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”
“National Review and The Weekly Standard,” he said, “are both left-wing magazines, and I want to destroy them also.” He added that “no one reads them or cares what they say.” (Both are conservative magazines)
Lenin said, “The art of any propagandist and agitator consists in his ability to find the best means of influencing any given audience, by presenting a definite truth, in such a way as to make it most convincing, most easy to digest, most graphic, and most strongly impressive.”
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I don't want to live in Fortress America. I want to live in a "City upon a Hill" that is referenced in Matthew 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden."
And to carry that theme a bit further the rabble rousing radical who spoke those words had even more to say about how we should treat one another, "I WAS A STRANGER AND YOU TOOK ME IN." Matthew 25:35. No wonder he got himself kill. Such a wild eyed Liberal! "What you do one another, you do to ME."
In the interest of full disclosure I was a R.C. nun for 9 years and have been a practicing Zen Buddhist for 40 years. Only as I got older did I come to more fully grasp the profound message he preached. He told us to Love each other! Talk about being a trouble maker and stirring up crowds. So irresponsible. Sad, just so SAD.
End of wild rant.
And to carry that theme a bit further the rabble rousing radical who spoke those words had even more to say about how we should treat one another, "I WAS A STRANGER AND YOU TOOK ME IN." Matthew 25:35. No wonder he got himself kill. Such a wild eyed Liberal! "What you do one another, you do to ME."
In the interest of full disclosure I was a R.C. nun for 9 years and have been a practicing Zen Buddhist for 40 years. Only as I got older did I come to more fully grasp the profound message he preached. He told us to Love each other! Talk about being a trouble maker and stirring up crowds. So irresponsible. Sad, just so SAD.
End of wild rant.
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Obviously you are not aware that the cities of the Biblical age were indeed walled and controlled by a series of gates. The writer of the verse was using a city on a hill because the oil lamp lights would be visible by those in the valley since the walls would run downhill on two sides.
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Obviously, you are not aware of the biblical injunction in the old and New Testaments to take in the stranger and provide hospitality. Read Genesis 19:8. Really very IRONIC. So important was the admonition to welcome the stranger that Lot offered his two virgin daughters to save the "strangers" from the townsmen who wanted to abuse them.
READ what Jesus had to say about how to treat others instead of getting into arguments about arcane "facts" (Yes, I know I just did that with you - but what do you expect from an ex-nun who spent 9 years studying the Bible.) You're missing the TRUE message. If we don't all get "it" (and that includes ME) there is NO HOPE.
READ what Jesus had to say about how to treat others instead of getting into arguments about arcane "facts" (Yes, I know I just did that with you - but what do you expect from an ex-nun who spent 9 years studying the Bible.) You're missing the TRUE message. If we don't all get "it" (and that includes ME) there is NO HOPE.
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Good for you Christians! At last Trump has done something that has aroused push back. Now please express your displeasure at the ballot box in the midterm elections so we can begin to get our country back. Republican or Democrat, we need to show the world that the ideals of compassion for others and justice for which America used to be known haven't been eradicated under the agenda of lies and hate that Bannon and Trump show to the world. As already demonstrated by the million signatures in England urging that the invitation to Trump be rescinded and the cancellation of the Mexican president's visit, Bannon and Trump will become pariahs everywhere. Is this how we want the United States represented in the world?
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Three observations.
1. There seems to be a general lack of knowledge, in the Trump administration. I would have thought that someone, anyone would have reviewed this order?
2. I suspect there's quite a bit of ego involved in this last decision? He seems to relish in the "power" he can yield? I believe he tweeted about how happy he was with what was going on? Odd comment.
This of course explains his assigning blame to protestors and Delta Airlines? He's infallible.
He does understand that the protestors are not airside, right?
3. He's checking boxes. No Obamacare, check; Build the Wall, check; Muslim ban, check.
I'm not opposed to an intelligent - emphasis on the word intelligent - solution to border security. But all of this is theatre. The ultimate reality show: LIVE Trump in the White House #TWH.
1. There seems to be a general lack of knowledge, in the Trump administration. I would have thought that someone, anyone would have reviewed this order?
2. I suspect there's quite a bit of ego involved in this last decision? He seems to relish in the "power" he can yield? I believe he tweeted about how happy he was with what was going on? Odd comment.
This of course explains his assigning blame to protestors and Delta Airlines? He's infallible.
He does understand that the protestors are not airside, right?
3. He's checking boxes. No Obamacare, check; Build the Wall, check; Muslim ban, check.
I'm not opposed to an intelligent - emphasis on the word intelligent - solution to border security. But all of this is theatre. The ultimate reality show: LIVE Trump in the White House #TWH.
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Funny how those that earn nothing, expect everything. Did their family members die protecting our Nation? What did they sacrifice? We do something here you may find surprising. We fight for and protect our own. Had you done the same your Nation would not be a disgrace. Please return to the land you helped destroy. Thank you.
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Ignorant, bigoted drivel. Most of Trump's supporters are lazy, ignorant bigots who won't adapt to a changing economy, haven't served in our military or in law enforcement and don't care for anyone but themselves.
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Here’s what is playing out in our home. This morning my wife was on the sun terrace at the top of our condo. On her way down she saw our maintenance man (Latino) and saw that he was wiping his eyes. She said good morning and then told me what she saw. She thought he was crying, and with all that is going on I could understand. So I went and checked on him. He was fine and thanked us for being so kind and considerate. It is shameful that we have to feel this way about our country.
We’re in our 70’s and have never experienced this kind of divisiveness and hatred by any of our past leaders. And we have vowed to do what we can to stop this man and others like him. We will protest, contribute to those organizations fighting against this tyrant, and support those politicians who fight back, regardless of party affiliation
We’re in our 70’s and have never experienced this kind of divisiveness and hatred by any of our past leaders. And we have vowed to do what we can to stop this man and others like him. We will protest, contribute to those organizations fighting against this tyrant, and support those politicians who fight back, regardless of party affiliation
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If the "Freedom of Information Act" can be used to make Donald Trump release his tax returns, why isn't somebody pursuing it?
One would think for national security that knowing what he has filed with the IRS is something a citizen should know.
What investments does Mr. Trump have in Russia that could jeopardize this country?
Why was Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and some other Middle Eastern countries spared the recent immigration order? Investments?
The public has a right to know and see those tax returns.
One would think for national security that knowing what he has filed with the IRS is something a citizen should know.
What investments does Mr. Trump have in Russia that could jeopardize this country?
Why was Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and some other Middle Eastern countries spared the recent immigration order? Investments?
The public has a right to know and see those tax returns.
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Why was Canada advised of the revised Immigration plans 3 hours before Americans? Let me explain. Late afternoon, yesterday, I watched the Canadian Immigration Minister hold a press conference on CBC. We had been surprised by the ban and he was trying to clarify how this affected Canadians with duel citizenship. He advised that the ban didn't apply to those with Canadian passports and during the question and answer period confirmed that those with valid visas and green cards would also be allowed to enter the USA. He confirmed this info had been confirmed by Flynn. I was leery that Flynn had the authority to override a Presidential executive order but then a lot surprises me from this administration. Clicked over to a ÙS station and not a peep. It wasn't until 7PM that the information was released to the American people. The only difference was that Kelly had replaced Flynn as the decider. We're living in very strange times these days.
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Immigrants are not terrifying. This president is.
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Nothing new here, folks.
See the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act signed into law by President Obama in 2015.
See the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act signed into law by President Obama in 2015.
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President Trump, during his election campaign declared that he would take action to ban Muslims from entering the US. Interesting enough, the new Chief of Staff in the White House forgot this fact and just agrees with the President.
This decision to ban people from the seven countries is arbitrary and discriminating. The decision is very shortsighted and has not been given the desired thought and study. When you impose a ban directed on a country, whether the intention is to be temporary or permanent, the ban is aimed at the entire country. In this case, the majority of the citizens in the seven countries are Muslims. It is very clear the ban is on Muslims.
We have a double standard when dealing with foreign countries. First off, the US declared war in places like Iraq for the wrong reason and false strategy. People in that country are the clear victims. Yet, we do not even accept a moral debt to the people of that country.
The Russians have caused immense, intentional damage and harm to the people and the country as a whole in Syria. Millions of people there have been deprived of their living and forced to flee their homes. Today, these people, have a newly created status, and we all call them refugees. They are now been punished and ignored. All these people, if not a refugee, are perceived as potential terrorists.
The US is a country of immigrants. My family and I cherish this greatness. However, the politicians do not think that way. Very, very sad.
This decision to ban people from the seven countries is arbitrary and discriminating. The decision is very shortsighted and has not been given the desired thought and study. When you impose a ban directed on a country, whether the intention is to be temporary or permanent, the ban is aimed at the entire country. In this case, the majority of the citizens in the seven countries are Muslims. It is very clear the ban is on Muslims.
We have a double standard when dealing with foreign countries. First off, the US declared war in places like Iraq for the wrong reason and false strategy. People in that country are the clear victims. Yet, we do not even accept a moral debt to the people of that country.
The Russians have caused immense, intentional damage and harm to the people and the country as a whole in Syria. Millions of people there have been deprived of their living and forced to flee their homes. Today, these people, have a newly created status, and we all call them refugees. They are now been punished and ignored. All these people, if not a refugee, are perceived as potential terrorists.
The US is a country of immigrants. My family and I cherish this greatness. However, the politicians do not think that way. Very, very sad.
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I get that terrorism is a scary thing, and that globally speaking, most terrorist acts are probably committed by those who identify as Muslim. However I would ask those who support the ban to consider this:
is most street crime in the US committed by young black males? Likely the statistics would say 'Yes'. Does that therefore mean that most young black males are criminals? Of course not.
Similarly, if most terrorism throughout the world is committed by Muslims, does that mean most Muslims are terrorists? Again, we all know the answer to that.
So...why in this instance does anyone think it ok to punish an entire swath of people, for the attention-grabbing acts of so few?
People from Syria and some of the other countries included in the ban are suffering as we speak, and need our help desperately.
My heart is crying, as this ban is the antithesis of everything our nation supposedly stands for.
is most street crime in the US committed by young black males? Likely the statistics would say 'Yes'. Does that therefore mean that most young black males are criminals? Of course not.
Similarly, if most terrorism throughout the world is committed by Muslims, does that mean most Muslims are terrorists? Again, we all know the answer to that.
So...why in this instance does anyone think it ok to punish an entire swath of people, for the attention-grabbing acts of so few?
People from Syria and some of the other countries included in the ban are suffering as we speak, and need our help desperately.
My heart is crying, as this ban is the antithesis of everything our nation supposedly stands for.
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Ten days in and Trump is already a serious contender for worst President ever. Wow.
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A huge number of people in the U.S. do not have U.S. passports. [According to the State Department, there are 113,431,943 valid passports in circulation, which means 36% of Americans own a valid passport (and therefore 64% do not).] Therefore 64% have not travelled out of the country at all. This is due to people not having the finances, and/or interest to fly internationally.
This story, unfortunately, may not resonate or relate to a majority of people living in the U.S., which will dampen opposition to it.
This story, unfortunately, may not resonate or relate to a majority of people living in the U.S., which will dampen opposition to it.
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Mr. Trump, "Have you even read the Constitution" (yet)?
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ISIS and other extremist groups have sent the Trump administration a thank you card for showing the world that, in their interpretation, the USA is at war with Muslims (and has always been at war with Islam). Despite whatever may have been the intent of this fiasco, the optics are as important if not more so. Perhaps, Trump's team knows this and wants more terrorism in order to consolidate power. I do not know their intent. But, again, optics matter domestically, too.
Now, who will protect us against this meddlesome priest?
Now, who will protect us against this meddlesome priest?
President Stephen Bannon; VP Putin. There is a master plan that is much darker than we can imagine but that many are giving voice to - beyond the coup that has already taken place.
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With what seems like an atrocity a day, my wife and I are beginning to make weekly donations to the ACLU, Planned Parenthood and other worthy organizations who will be on the front lines of the fight against the "new normalcy".
Marching and demonstrations are all well and good, but money is essential to keep pushing back against the Trump regime.
Marching and demonstrations are all well and good, but money is essential to keep pushing back against the Trump regime.
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Obama did the same with Iraq in 2011 for six months. Where was the furor then?? Memories seem too be very short these days.
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"President" Bannon knew full well that releasing this on a Friday would result in a max-reaction over the weekend. What is being hidden? His coronation on the NSC? Trump & cabinet's tax returns and conflicts of interests? Nice to use the lives of ordinary folk who can't fight back to advance clearly political ends.
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So will Trump add a ban on visitors from Canada for the next 90 days?
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Trump, Bannon, Pence and the Oil Barons backing him are playing a vile game. They are consciously cultivating fear and insecurity within American society. Every American needs to ask themselves this question. If President Trump was seriously concerned about an imminent ISIS threat, WHY weren't immigrants with green cards or citizens ofSaudi Arabia on the list of countries affected by his Executive Order? The majority of individuals participating in ISIS are Saudi Arabian. The answer is POWER, Greed and Oil. This irresponsible President is asserting power by attacking innocent people who have done nothing wrong but do not have the power or the financial resources to strike back. This President primarily uses Twitter to communicate with the American people embracing the tactics of a Totalitarian Leader. Twitter does not promote Freedom of the Press. It promotes FAKE NEWS and fear. Trump's late night edicts are not meant to "CONNECT" with the American People. We need to stop this madness NOW.
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Bottom line: This "president" is an abomination!
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“This is not about religion"-- Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
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Of course, Trump said he would do something similar during the campaign and the Republican Party did not abandon him and many people voted for him anyway. He was a cruel man then and he was wrong then. No one should be shocked, did people not believe him?
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Trump is a simple bad man .
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there are 4060 comments to this article. Here is one more.
Trump seems to have a childish habit of saying the complainers his tactics are doing what they are accusing him of doing. Hillary, when pointing to his lies becomes "lying Hillary." Now he tells people who complain about his immigration policy as people who are looking to start World War III.
Trump seems to have a childish habit of saying the complainers his tactics are doing what they are accusing him of doing. Hillary, when pointing to his lies becomes "lying Hillary." Now he tells people who complain about his immigration policy as people who are looking to start World War III.
#impeachtrumpnow
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go trump go, not fast enough. . . . .
Let Blutarsky be Blutarsky
The Putin Plan is absolutely brilliant:
He worked to elect a mentally ill candidate,
who is impulsive,
who is a rank amateur in governing;
who is wholly inexperienced in international politics;
who is not a big picture thinker;
who is advised by serveral "friends of Russia" (Flynn, ReXXon Tillerson);
who will create disruption, dysfunction, distraction and
a weakening of American strength and influence worldwide.......economic and political......
BRILLIANT
The Putin Plan is absolutely brilliant:
He worked to elect a mentally ill candidate,
who is impulsive,
who is a rank amateur in governing;
who is wholly inexperienced in international politics;
who is not a big picture thinker;
who is advised by serveral "friends of Russia" (Flynn, ReXXon Tillerson);
who will create disruption, dysfunction, distraction and
a weakening of American strength and influence worldwide.......economic and political......
BRILLIANT
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Ringling Brothers is thru, now Trump steals the show as the ringmaster. Let the greatest show on earth begin- straight out of Mao's Little Red Book
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Republicans in Congress- do not be party to tyranny. Defend American values! Use your position to resist Trump.
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Let’s get one thing straight: locking the doors and turning out the lights has never made America great. When the world needs a hero, America shows up—THAT’S WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT. Our president believes that security comes first, but is overlooking the cost of such a priority and the distinctly American tradition that his sensibilities betray.
When millions of Italians poured into America in the early 20th century, we heard all the same voices we hear today. Angry mobs burned Catholic churches and insisted that Italians were treacherous and that Catholicism was incompatible with American democracy. In the face of these perceived dangers, American values prevailed—preserving American freedoms for Italians and countless other immigrant groups who fled their homelands in search of a better life. And good thing too, because when America needed her patriots on the battlefields of World War II, hundreds of thousands of Italian Americans showed up—serving with distinction.
Our president’s move to turn his back on the humanitarian crisis in Syria weakens America. The world looks to America for strength and leadership, and cowering in the corner undermines that privilege. It may be true that shutting our doors will provide some temporary measure of safety for the American people, but closing America off will compromise all that we stand for. I do not doubt our president’s sincerest intention to make America great; I simply doubt that he knows what greatness looks like.
When millions of Italians poured into America in the early 20th century, we heard all the same voices we hear today. Angry mobs burned Catholic churches and insisted that Italians were treacherous and that Catholicism was incompatible with American democracy. In the face of these perceived dangers, American values prevailed—preserving American freedoms for Italians and countless other immigrant groups who fled their homelands in search of a better life. And good thing too, because when America needed her patriots on the battlefields of World War II, hundreds of thousands of Italian Americans showed up—serving with distinction.
Our president’s move to turn his back on the humanitarian crisis in Syria weakens America. The world looks to America for strength and leadership, and cowering in the corner undermines that privilege. It may be true that shutting our doors will provide some temporary measure of safety for the American people, but closing America off will compromise all that we stand for. I do not doubt our president’s sincerest intention to make America great; I simply doubt that he knows what greatness looks like.
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One size fits none. Not surprised to see how Trump is disfunctioning on his first week in office and it was expected. His lack of experience in how government runs results in the issuance of executive orders. Perhaps in his businesses every time he barks an order stuff gets done - in the government, not so much. At least not without a lot of inefficiency, confusion and waste.
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Remember we're in a guerrilla war with enemies intentionally infiltrating our borders. If those of differing religious faiths want to immigrate, that's just fine. But there's very good reason to stop infiltration by those prepared to destroy freedom. The present temporary ban is necessary to enable implementation of secure vetting of migrants. The news media should recognize that fact. The present hysteria allies the media with ISIS. Of course the Trump Administration needs to recall our enemies came by air on 9/11 … after sending pilots across our borders for training. As in WWII, our nation's leaders may make mistakes that incarcerate innocent people. But now as then guerrillas may hide among the innocent. We the people ought not rush to judgment.
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The 911 terrorists came from countries not on Trump's list.
Cheers!
Cheers!
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Today $500 question. Name the Iraqis that Financed, Carried out or planned 9/11? Do the same for the Saudi's. You will notice the latter to be much much longer. Now look who is on the banned list and who is not. Make sense? I'm sure it does when you subscribe to Alternative Facts Monthly.
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Does anyone, other than those determined to criticize, believe that we should really be operating like it was 15 years ago? The Saudis started cracking down on terrorism when they suffered their own attacks in 2003. They've "retrained" thousands of imams. There's a government in charge that is not hostile to the US, which automatically differentiates it.
Time to move into the present. Those 7 countries were identified by Obama as having the worst terrorism situations today.
Time to move into the present. Those 7 countries were identified by Obama as having the worst terrorism situations today.
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There is a long and detailed history of temporary and permanent Presidential immigration bans put in place to protect Americans and American interests. The amount of "news making" exhibited on this issue by the leftist media outlets is not surprising and continues to feed the narrative that the rest of the country already knows. It's the reason Trump was elected.
CNN, NYT, MSNBC, NBC all have no interest in a strong America. Their sole purpose is sensational posing. Trump is on the right path. This should have been done years ago.
CNN, NYT, MSNBC, NBC all have no interest in a strong America. Their sole purpose is sensational posing. Trump is on the right path. This should have been done years ago.
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I bought Wayne Barrett's (the legendary investigative reporter who died the day before the inauguration) book, Trump: The Deals, the Downfall and the Reinvention, which has been reissued, and plan to read it and recirculate it to others, who will then (I hope) continue to recirculate it.
The more information we get out about our new, Narcissist Con-Man Commander-In-Chief, the better!
Thank you, NY Times, for continuing the vital work of responsible journalism!
My hope: to survive Tantrump's presidency--we and the military must be ready to say NO to any wars he starts, for nuclear war is now a greatly increased possibility.
The more information we get out about our new, Narcissist Con-Man Commander-In-Chief, the better!
Thank you, NY Times, for continuing the vital work of responsible journalism!
My hope: to survive Tantrump's presidency--we and the military must be ready to say NO to any wars he starts, for nuclear war is now a greatly increased possibility.
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You more or less missed the boat on this. It sailed Nov. 8.
I agree that the protests are chaos in action and ideology. The freely elected president has the right and the duty to enact his promise and that's what he has done. The idea that there is near Revolution over a temporary policy designed to enhance security is really disheartening.
This is part of a truly worldwide campaign to undermine and actually cripple or end the Trump presidency. What many in the world call 'democracy' amounts to street mob rule where the mob demands change and if not enacted, society grinds to a halt. That's undermines a real democracy such as the United States.
I heard a young man protesting chanting 'this is what democracy looks like' No, it's what a spoiled brat demanding his way looks like. We had an election and Trump voters mindfully voted for Trump with such a travel ban in mind. This is what democracy looks like. Get used to it.
This is part of a truly worldwide campaign to undermine and actually cripple or end the Trump presidency. What many in the world call 'democracy' amounts to street mob rule where the mob demands change and if not enacted, society grinds to a halt. That's undermines a real democracy such as the United States.
I heard a young man protesting chanting 'this is what democracy looks like' No, it's what a spoiled brat demanding his way looks like. We had an election and Trump voters mindfully voted for Trump with such a travel ban in mind. This is what democracy looks like. Get used to it.
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hope you feel just as sanguine about this democracy in action when it is your turn to experience the suspension of due process.
If this were not about religion, then he should ban entry by people from Belgium. Plenty of terrorist activity has been based in that European country. But, of course, this IS about religion ... two religions, actually: one is Islam and the other is capitalism. All Muslim-majority countries ... but not those with whom Trump has business dealings.
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And who committed the terrorist acts in Belgium? Muslims. And truthfully there is a danger from European Muslims coming to the U.S. that would be something that needs to be addressed.
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Both of the attackers in Brussels were Belgian nationals. So, this IS about religion, NOT nationality and THAT discrimination is un-American.
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So if I understand this correctly, if a someone from one of these seven countries shows up and claims to be a Christian - they can pass? That's the extent of the new improved vetting process? No wonder there's confusion.
One thing that can help for vetting is if they go online and get themselves what I call "The Real Rosary for Real Believers". You will have to check a box on the web site to guarantee that you are a Real Christian. And guarantee that you are not crossing your fingers behind your back.
RealRosaryForRealBelievers.com
RealRosaryForRealBelievers.com
When all is said and done this fiasco is simply a demonstration of the lack of competence at the top.
is this covered by the Constitution?
is this covered by the Constitution?
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Why are you not more truthful in your article. Recent polls indicate that only a small minority are against this action.
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists form coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided. "
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists form coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided. "
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/i...
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Impeach him, already! He was in violation of the constitution from Day 1, and now he's just running up the board.
So much for the notion of running the government like as business. Then again, Trump's businesses tend to get sued and go bankrupt.
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Oh, all this time I thought Trump was against illegal immigrants, only to find he's against Muslims immigrants, legal or not. Of course, if he has money invested, well, that's another story. Hey, you foreign countries out there who might be listening, invest in Trump while you can. It will money well spent if you want to get rid of some of your best and brightest and ship them over here to the USA. It's obvious we need about 70 thousand more in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
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I am beginning to think all that circus won't last for long, not because it is morally abject, but just because it is altogether impossible to implement, unuseful, counterproductive and inefficient.
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It's important to remember that opponents of Mr. Trump are far more likely to take to the streets in protest than are his supporters - on any given issue, like the immigration ban. In part this reflects their domicile location in or near the big cities (and big airports in this case). But mostly it reflects the more staid approach of conservatives, who are more likely to keep their thoughts to theirselves and their families and friends. The point being that all the hoopla over this latest Trump action probably is magnified way beyond reality by the opposition media and it's whipping up fervor among the usual groups, with their certitude and sloppy thinking in saying Trump is anti-immigrant. (And remember, polls are likely to understate Trump's support on this issue.)
One thing is sure. Emma Lazarus didn't live at a time when there was an organized movement with access to the internet, and intent on destroying our way of life - along with killing as many of us as possible. God (or whatever you substitute for God) help the protestors and their media supporters if they manage to force Trump to reverse his order, and refugee terrorists get into the country and commit mass murder.
One thing is sure. Emma Lazarus didn't live at a time when there was an organized movement with access to the internet, and intent on destroying our way of life - along with killing as many of us as possible. God (or whatever you substitute for God) help the protestors and their media supporters if they manage to force Trump to reverse his order, and refugee terrorists get into the country and commit mass murder.
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Well, if ClintonWorld hadn't throttled the life out of the Democratic Party--if the Congressional Black Caucus hadn't been a wholly-owned subsidiary of Clinton Inc.--we wouldn't have ended up with this debacle. Even bland-as-Wonder Bread Martin O*Malley could have beaten Trump, but he was easy to knock off by the DNC since he wasn't more than a show candidate. Bernie of course put up a genuine fight and we know how the DNC handled that.
This is a good thing. You know, like all the old Israelites needing to die off in the desert so a new fresh generation with no memory of servitude could enter the Promised Land. Now maybe the Democratic Party--which has had to be remade several times since its birthing--will become a truly rational progressive answer to the Republicans and not just the urban. East Coast branch of same.
This is a good thing. You know, like all the old Israelites needing to die off in the desert so a new fresh generation with no memory of servitude could enter the Promised Land. Now maybe the Democratic Party--which has had to be remade several times since its birthing--will become a truly rational progressive answer to the Republicans and not just the urban. East Coast branch of same.
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Never in the heartland. Your policy is strictly for the coastal lefties.
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This is total nonsense, an ill conceived directive with a fascist approach, unfortunately this government is full of hate and a complete misunderstanding of world realities, when we see this type of decisions it is the result of ignorance and bigotry which has ben installed in the government by those who wrongly think they are superior but who are just normal human beings like everyone else, the day that these people understand that the issues they see are more related to and education problem and not to the ficititious superiority of some "whites" we will see an end to a lot of problems that are undermining the US
Campaign promise was not a nuanced argument about security. He made a bigot's promise...and it was cheered on by narrow band of supporters. The president doesn't get to claim this is anything other than bigotry, now. I do not subscribe to his alternate fact construct.
I recall my church sponsoring a refugee family from Cambodia when I was still in grade school. My family helped get the house prepared for them and would meet with them during their first 2 years living in the US. We strove to help them adapt and become comfortable in this new place. That family gave up everything and was fleeing from things we can't even grasp. To demonize refugees is a hateful practice.
I recall my church sponsoring a refugee family from Cambodia when I was still in grade school. My family helped get the house prepared for them and would meet with them during their first 2 years living in the US. We strove to help them adapt and become comfortable in this new place. That family gave up everything and was fleeing from things we can't even grasp. To demonize refugees is a hateful practice.
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I wonder if any of the Rust Belters in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio who put Trump in office really care about what Trump's immigrant order does to innocent people. Or are they still sitting around waiting for the wall, a job pushing a button at gadget factory or for the wave of American Greatness that he promised would wash over them?
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Not being a constitutional scholar, but assuming there is nothing there that provides for a recall election for Trump, I would suggest a bi-partisan planning effort for impeachment to begin in congress to get ahead of the game, and not wait for a real and destined constitutional crisis, or Mr. Trump gets assassinated by desperate, outraged citizens of this country. It is not a result I could hardly wish, both in a moral sense, and a political one, in that he has finally become the object needed for a uniting of the progressive forces in this country. We are in a moment in political history, not to be wasted by a soft and all too compromising Democratic party not seen since the Great Depression.
It looks like Trump won't have to isolate America from the rest of the world...
The rest of the world will isolate America.
The rest of the world will isolate America.
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He's right. It's not about religion. Its about fulfilling a campaign promise to his constituents and looking like he did something about terrorism, even though these are the least dangerous countries for the US in terms of attacks on our soil. it is also about his business interests.
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Welcome to the new Trump, Bannon and GOP controlled "Amerika"......
These are the 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections
These are the 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections
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This is how you cover Trump. Not with emotion but with the mind of a business person. This executive order may be a lot of things but what it is most importantly is incompetent. Business people understand too well that incompetence costs money and causes embarrassment. Step One here has to be the removal of Bannon as advisor to Trump and the only way that happens is to consistently show that his influence leads to incompetence and embarrassment. Not sufficiently thought through, poorly executed and not even completely communicated to the Trump team - Incompetent and embarrassing.
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"It's not about religion. Christians first, please."
This guy is all lies, all the time.
This guy is all lies, all the time.
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I would see a fig leaf of merit in the Terrorism argument put forth by the Trump team if they banned Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan from where all terrorist attacks on the US came. But shockingly none of these countries make the Trump List. The argument that this travel ban is to prevent terrorism is therefore false, alternative fact, and specious.
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I propose a travel ban for Trump. Since there's no helipad on top of Trump Tower, he has to travel on city streets. 10000 or so people blocking 5th Avenue would mean he would have to walk to his tower or bring in the National Guard, maybe with tanks. Tiananmen Square in New York? With Trump, there's no end of consequences.
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Can't we classify Trump as a terrorist? He is certainly terrifying me.
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All American's and peaceful people around the world are interested in the security and safety of their friends, family, communities, regions and countries.
The American taxpayer pays for the infrastructure in the Executive Branch to assist with methodically evaluating security risks, prioritizing those risks and developing proposals to legally and effectively address any identified security risks.
It seems to me that this Administration continues to rebuff the resources that the American people pay for to support effective, legal and sensible decision making and instead has replaced these skilled and capable resources with a conspiracy theory hate peddler (Bannon) and a gaggle of lackeys that would sell their souls for power, influence, fame and the almighty dollar.
BTW… did I read correctly that Mr. Trump filed the paperwork necessary to run for re-election in 2020 - 5 hours after he was sworn in? Yes?
I suppose the message here is that he considers his re-election campaign (with Bannon at the helm) to be his 1st priority as president (prioritized above national security; above upholding the Constitution; above protecting and serving ALL American people...).
The American taxpayer pays for the infrastructure in the Executive Branch to assist with methodically evaluating security risks, prioritizing those risks and developing proposals to legally and effectively address any identified security risks.
It seems to me that this Administration continues to rebuff the resources that the American people pay for to support effective, legal and sensible decision making and instead has replaced these skilled and capable resources with a conspiracy theory hate peddler (Bannon) and a gaggle of lackeys that would sell their souls for power, influence, fame and the almighty dollar.
BTW… did I read correctly that Mr. Trump filed the paperwork necessary to run for re-election in 2020 - 5 hours after he was sworn in? Yes?
I suppose the message here is that he considers his re-election campaign (with Bannon at the helm) to be his 1st priority as president (prioritized above national security; above upholding the Constitution; above protecting and serving ALL American people...).
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Alcoholics and the United States have a similar path to failure and recovery. Both entities seem to need to hit bottom before serious attempts to heal are implemented.
It appears we have come close to hitting bottom with our current Executive and Legislative branches of government.
The recovering alcoholic has the 12 step program, which can be a fearsome struggle. The mindful citizens of the country must rally and vote this plague out of government entirely, which is relatively simple.
It appears we have come close to hitting bottom with our current Executive and Legislative branches of government.
The recovering alcoholic has the 12 step program, which can be a fearsome struggle. The mindful citizens of the country must rally and vote this plague out of government entirely, which is relatively simple.
It's always the same. The innocent and powerless pay the price that belongs to the violent and the criminal who are well capable of defending themselves.
It won't long now, in my opinion, when the question of Donald's mental stability is questioned, as well as his motives. Is he a president or a bully? Is he rational or under of the spell of his Svengali, Bannon? He's about to be labeled a white supremacist, elected to "preserve" Christianity and the white "race", by not only our press, but other countries and citizens of the world. Democracy dies daly under trump. It's up to us to revive it and make it thrive again.
Lock HIM up!!!
Lock HIM up!!!
I am so reminded of Joseph McCarthy (course Trump was advised early on by McCarthy's man, Roy Cohn). When will the leadership in the Senate stand up to this ill advised, ignorant, constitutionally challenged egomaniac? You need to stand up and be counted you feckless cowards.
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An American president has established a religious test for entry into the United States. We are now living in a Theocracy. I urge all concerned citizens to recognize the implications of this action, which goes DIRECTLY against one of the main reasons this nation was founded.
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Before, it was all about "radical Muslim terrorists" for Trump. Not just terrorists, not just Muslim terrorists, but the radical kind of Muslim terrorists.
Today I read in the Times that bannning only Muslims from the U.S. isn't about religion at all. So sad, Mr. Trump, so sad.
Today I read in the Times that bannning only Muslims from the U.S. isn't about religion at all. So sad, Mr. Trump, so sad.
Join the ACLU. If you live in a SOLIDLY RED state, such as South Dakota (as I do), and the only group formed through the "Indivisible" website is wa-a-a-ay on the other side of the state in Vermilion, SD, you can still be counted.
Join the ACLU and offer to donate and join for any member of your family or circle of friends who is willing. You can be a force multiplier even if there are no demonstrations or organized groups where you live. DO IT!
Join the ACLU and offer to donate and join for any member of your family or circle of friends who is willing. You can be a force multiplier even if there are no demonstrations or organized groups where you live. DO IT!
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Let's hear from a prominent family member of a victim of terror, recently profiled in the NY Times. From The Guardian:
"Steve Kerr has joined the chorus of voices in the NBA that have attacked Donald Trump’s ban on travellers and refugees from seven Muslim-majority countries.
On Sunday, the Golden State Warriors coach said the president’s executive order had personal resonance. “I would just say that as someone whose family member was a victim of terrorism, having lost my father, if we’re trying to combat terrorism by banishing people from coming to this country, by really going against the principles of what our country is about and creating fear, it’s the wrong way of going about it,” said Kerr whose father, Malcolm, was killed by two gunmen in 1984 while he was president of the American University of Beirut. Islamic Jihad, a precursor of Hezbollah, later claimed responsibility for the murder. “If anything, we could be breeding anger and terror. So I’m completely against what’s happening.”"
"Steve Kerr has joined the chorus of voices in the NBA that have attacked Donald Trump’s ban on travellers and refugees from seven Muslim-majority countries.
On Sunday, the Golden State Warriors coach said the president’s executive order had personal resonance. “I would just say that as someone whose family member was a victim of terrorism, having lost my father, if we’re trying to combat terrorism by banishing people from coming to this country, by really going against the principles of what our country is about and creating fear, it’s the wrong way of going about it,” said Kerr whose father, Malcolm, was killed by two gunmen in 1984 while he was president of the American University of Beirut. Islamic Jihad, a precursor of Hezbollah, later claimed responsibility for the murder. “If anything, we could be breeding anger and terror. So I’m completely against what’s happening.”"
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My despair at a Trump presidency is eased with each march, protest, tweet, email and voice opposing this reckless and dangerous man.
Just joined the ACLU-please consider!
Just joined the ACLU-please consider!
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The Liar In Chief says “a massive success story” and "not a ban on Muslims". Riiigghhht! I can't help it, have to laugh.
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The NYT is negligent not to point out that the countries named do not have functioning government control over their own territory, plus Iran which is in violation of UN anti-nuclear proliferation resolutions.
I have helped people apply for visas to the US. One of the things required is a clearance from their government police. That is kind of hard to do without a government.
I have helped people apply for visas to the US. One of the things required is a clearance from their government police. That is kind of hard to do without a government.
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Fortunately there are SO MANY generous countries for the immigrants & refugees to take shelter, but may @realDonaldTrump answer #WhyNotSaudi?
It would be bad enough if Trump and Banno were just violating the civil rights of immigrants and green card holders with this order. But even more worrying is his attempt to deputize local law enforcement personnel to enforce his order, as reported in the Washington Post and Boston Globe. We should all pay close attention to the possibility that Trump is raising a private army to do his bidding, analogous to Adolf Hitler's “Schutzstaffel" (SS). His elevation of Steve Bannon to the National Security Council - which approves extra-judicial assassinations among other things - simultaneous with demoting the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence to less powerful rolls on that same body, bodes ominously. This is all part of a very dark pattern - Bannon's comment that the press should "shut up,", Conway's comment that any press who criticize Trump should be fired. How long before peaceful protesters across America are met with Trump's security forces firing live ammunition? Think it can't happen here? Remember Kent State?
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/ss
http://www.newsweek.com/my-god-theyre-killing-us-our-1970-coverage-kent-...
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/ss
http://www.newsweek.com/my-god-theyre-killing-us-our-1970-coverage-kent-...
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I this was about concern for terror we would be banning the main source: Saudi Arabia and its extensive system of hyper conservative madrasas.
It seems to be a tactic to undermine the US security and advance an agenda of chaos as Steve Bannon might put it. What better environment for emergence of a strong man with small hands.
It seems to be a tactic to undermine the US security and advance an agenda of chaos as Steve Bannon might put it. What better environment for emergence of a strong man with small hands.
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This administration seems to be comprised solely of people whose only qualification was the ability to lie about everything.
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It was reasonable for Canada to admit refugees, who have gone through "extreme vetting" and who faced destruction and death in war-torn regions. The problem is the chaos of illegal gun sales and violent militia cells, cells who block the roads of dialogue by attacking friendlies, and who beat their plowshares into assault rifles so they can attack anyone who is not created in their own image of the Fantasy Citizen.
Local law enforcement, along with intelligence agencies investigation agencies on both sides of the border, should stop giving the gun industry enough time to arm everyone three times over, and restore order by enforcing the laws and promptly arrest domestic and international gun traffickers in violation of them.
A blood bath in a peaceful country is not a protest. Follow the gun money.
Local law enforcement, along with intelligence agencies investigation agencies on both sides of the border, should stop giving the gun industry enough time to arm everyone three times over, and restore order by enforcing the laws and promptly arrest domestic and international gun traffickers in violation of them.
A blood bath in a peaceful country is not a protest. Follow the gun money.
Well, this was necessary. Neither progressives nor conservative Republicans wanted Hillary--I sure didn't either. And we were saved from that.
Now moderate Republicans need to find a little courage, and recognize that while Trump is just a businessman with a tender ego, Bannon is a lunatic--but one of those really clever ones, making him ever so much more dangerous--and it*s time to show a little genuine patriotism and not the kind you signal by wearing little flag pins.
There*s nothing to lose, now, by standing up; a Democrat isn't in the line of succession, and any of you can handle Pence if need be, once the more foaming-at-the-mouth crazies have been dispatched.
But Democrats need to reach out to their colleagues across the aisle, and grow a few more pairs than they've so far shown, and the world can, you know, be saved...
Now moderate Republicans need to find a little courage, and recognize that while Trump is just a businessman with a tender ego, Bannon is a lunatic--but one of those really clever ones, making him ever so much more dangerous--and it*s time to show a little genuine patriotism and not the kind you signal by wearing little flag pins.
There*s nothing to lose, now, by standing up; a Democrat isn't in the line of succession, and any of you can handle Pence if need be, once the more foaming-at-the-mouth crazies have been dispatched.
But Democrats need to reach out to their colleagues across the aisle, and grow a few more pairs than they've so far shown, and the world can, you know, be saved...
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I'm not the first to note that Donnie and his claque seem to live in an alternative universe. Trump protests that his ban is not connected to Islam...yet he continues to use the term radical Islamic terrorism. The fact that he's banned Muslims from entering the United States does not seem to faze him in the least. Apparently he meant to say: "I'm banning people from entering the United States from countries that don't have a Trump Hotel." One wonders... does he have even an iota of metacognition...because his actions are all about banning Muslims from entering the United States.
The reader comments in support of his policy go on an on about securing our borders. Most of them are seemingly oblivious of the history of their own country or how those "borders" were established. One can only wonder when people in this country become aware that we are interlopers on this continent. We need to go through a process of reconciliation with the First Nations and Mexico. At that point--, we can begin to have an honest conversation about our "borders."
The reader comments in support of his policy go on an on about securing our borders. Most of them are seemingly oblivious of the history of their own country or how those "borders" were established. One can only wonder when people in this country become aware that we are interlopers on this continent. We need to go through a process of reconciliation with the First Nations and Mexico. At that point--, we can begin to have an honest conversation about our "borders."
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Early on Sunday, an American commando was killed and three others were killed on a military mission in Yemen. The mission was the first counter-terrorism operation authorized by Trump. The Obama administration had weighed the benefits of the operation for some months, but ultimately decided to leave the decision to the incoming administration. As the New York Times reports, Trump “was quickly persuaded that the rewards were worth the gamble, and he authorized the mission last week.”
The operation in Yemen, and the hastily imposed ban on immigrants and refugees from Yemen and six other countries are part of a pattern. They show us a commander-in-chief who will put our military in harm’s way without full deliberation, and a president who will harm even the most vulnerable of people in a misguided show of "strength." In every possible way, Trump is damaging the global standing of the United States, and all because of his failure to consider the full consequences of his actions.
The operation in Yemen, and the hastily imposed ban on immigrants and refugees from Yemen and six other countries are part of a pattern. They show us a commander-in-chief who will put our military in harm’s way without full deliberation, and a president who will harm even the most vulnerable of people in a misguided show of "strength." In every possible way, Trump is damaging the global standing of the United States, and all because of his failure to consider the full consequences of his actions.
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1) Designate an enemy (Latinos and Muslims). Check.
2) Silence academics/experts. Check.
3) Discredit the press. Check.
4) Publicly humiliate anyone who does not agree with you. Check.
5) Consolidate power. Check.
While this visa ban won't affect most Americans, the combination of the actions listed above unchecked can have dire consequences that will eventually reach everyone in this country. Just ask WWII era Germans. It's a long road to recovery.
2) Silence academics/experts. Check.
3) Discredit the press. Check.
4) Publicly humiliate anyone who does not agree with you. Check.
5) Consolidate power. Check.
While this visa ban won't affect most Americans, the combination of the actions listed above unchecked can have dire consequences that will eventually reach everyone in this country. Just ask WWII era Germans. It's a long road to recovery.
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Reality check i suggest that new york times take look back at future is about to unfold. Maybe by looking back at past we can stop events from happening now. Heres two events first the new york times paper day before pearl harbor event. What was head lines day before pearl harbor? Next what was head lines of new york times day before 9/11. Now what are we going to do too stop history repeating those two days before events happen day after?
Mr. Giuliani says this is a plan to keep Muslims out, and Mr. Priebus says it is not about religion. Meanwhile, the nations from which the 9/11 terrorists emigrated are not included on the list. This is insane, and the product of insane minds who do not understand the founding principles of our nation or or the contents of our constitution.
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As all the weirdos like Bannon and Flynn and Trump act out their childish fears and try to crush our political system, the ones who will go down in history as the enablers are the Republicans. Who to name? Ryan, Priebus, Spicer, McConnell, and and and. Their faces will be in the history books over the text saying, "Cowards, collaborators".
Those who created Trump and allowed him to be their candidate had better step up and take every political and judicial step possible to stop him cold.
Those who created Trump and allowed him to be their candidate had better step up and take every political and judicial step possible to stop him cold.
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These protesters don't realize they're being used by global interests, chief among them, George Soros, who in league with Google's CEO, recently donated $50,000,000 to make it easier for immigrants to move around the world as they serve the interests of their global employers. To them, the idea of country is an anachronism that should be replaced by a world without borders which essentially means greater profits for corporations without interference from pesky sovereign entities. The Democrats, who are essentially traitors to this country, are their willing tools. When I hear them fulminating against Putin, I have to laugh. With the Democrats in power, we wouldn't need Russia to destroy us.
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Maybe wait until the paint fumes wear off before you post.
what is the downside of open borders - other than scared rednecks electing a dictator who will impose martial law and cause the country to be destroyed by nukes, that is?
what is the downside of open borders - other than scared rednecks electing a dictator who will impose martial law and cause the country to be destroyed by nukes, that is?
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If you have a history of not respecting the principles and rule of law, and you have no history of working with policy, then perhaps you will make good governance decisions at the highest executive level.
A country is just a corporation and its territory is your private property. And you sell alternative facts.
A country is just a corporation and its territory is your private property. And you sell alternative facts.
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One should be very worried about a President who tweets to member of his own party phases that include " World War III" . It's interesting and frightening that the dooms day clock has already been reset just 10 day into this President's office. Shame on his administration for creating more fear in the world and being so out of touch with our long history of democracy and values.
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Now we begin to understand what kind of human filth has taken over our government with the help of voter suppression, gerrymandering and the Electoral College. We need to remember that Trump lost the popular vote, and Republicans lost seats in the Senate and the House. All is not lost!
The Bible tells us to welcome the stranger and to love our neighbor -- not the neighbors we choose but the ones God chooses for us. Unless you are a Native American, you are either an immigrant, or you are here because of an immigrant who came before. Every wave of immigration has 1) faced similar hatred, and 2) strengthened our country. Anyone who supports what is happening not much of a Christian and even less of an American.
The Bible tells us to welcome the stranger and to love our neighbor -- not the neighbors we choose but the ones God chooses for us. Unless you are a Native American, you are either an immigrant, or you are here because of an immigrant who came before. Every wave of immigration has 1) faced similar hatred, and 2) strengthened our country. Anyone who supports what is happening not much of a Christian and even less of an American.
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Trump did the right thing. The few hundred affected while in flight were inconvenienced, but will be taken care of. The fake narratives by liberal press and the usual well organized left wing marches will have no lasting effect.
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DJT is creating all this chatter and confusion and harm and awfulness so that "we the people" won't notice that he hasn't shown us his taxes.
We the people hired this guy and he can't do the job . Come on people, let's do our job and tell this this creep...YOU'RE FIRED !!
We the people hired this guy and he can't do the job . Come on people, let's do our job and tell this this creep...YOU'RE FIRED !!
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#StopPresidentBannon
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Can there be any better proof of his having Conflicts of Interest?? Business is business and to him it overrides the United States. Don't forget his denial to produce his taxes! I want to see those countries he's in bed with.
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In the beginning, Adolf Hitler told somewhat plausible lies.
It's call gaslighting, and it's dangerous to free societies. Very.
It's call gaslighting, and it's dangerous to free societies. Very.
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Trump is playing to his "fan base" and in his delusions, he's going for "ratings," just like a reality TV show. Horrifying. But what angers and confounds me is the complicity of our congressional leaders. What is the plan here folks? Watch him sign away on their campaign promises, get their supreme court justice, then set him up for impeachment and blame it all away? It's all a dreadful, catastrophic display of self-serving narcissism - what's next?
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A problem that I have with the ban is its signal to the world and allies. We are the richest nation in the world but you deal with the flow of refugees. Turkey, Europe, countries that face the immigration in staggering numbers bear the brunt! We will contribute the bombs and the weaponry, which contribute to the exodus, but you deal with the refugees. (We could contribute to humanitarian aid in the region but are we? and to what extent?)
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Outside of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Lebanon, Jordan have taken very few refugees, if any. These countries share the same faith as those trying to get to Europe or even the US. What gives? Why aren't they opening their borders to their faith brethren?
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You are wrong about Jordan. It has many refugees from Iraq. As for your implicit point, I am quite happy not to find myself in a set that includes SA and UAE as defining members. But, not to excuse them, they -- along with Kuwait, Dubai and Qatar -- do have many foreign workers, including many from countries that generate refugees.
With the SCOTUS announcement moved to Tuesday, and the objective being to divert everyone's attention from this story, this is a great opportunity for the media to not let "The Gang of One" control the story. Probably the best guideline to follow would be to do the opposite of Fox "News" who will most likely bury it back with the cat videos.
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“KKK, American Nazi Party praise Trump's hiring of Bannon.” “Trump administration seeks to muzzle U.S. agency employees.” “Emboldened by Trump, some police unions seek to overhaul Obama’s reforms.” “Trump Omits Jews from Holocaust Remembrance Day Statement.” – Those are just a few of the last week’s headlines. Under Trump, the United States of America are slowly, but surely becoming a semi-fascist state, much like Russia. The times of niceties are over. Trump needs to be stopped! The sooner, the better for this country and the world.
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At European hubs some US Government employees from the Middle East were turned away from flights to the US in the last two days. And an online search monitoring company reports that tourism-related searches for trips to the US hit an all-time low in Europe today. This Trump Executive Order is a moral and economic failure.
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I know the protesters mean well and it's certainly true that Trump completely bungled this Executive Order but if we truly want to stand against "religious persecution," we must acknowledge that religious persecution is the norm in Islamic majority countries.
By all means, let's stand up for the rights of our Muslim neighbors in the U.S., who should not have the rug pulled out from under them after having obtained legal permission to enter and live in the U.S. in peace and dignity. But let's make it a point to direct our most forceful activism toward the true religious persecution in the world -- in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, UAE, etc.
Let's not put the "persecutor" label on the Americans or Europeans trying to put up a shield against Islamic extremism. Islam was spread by the sword, by invasion of foreign lands, followed by violent intolerance toward and forced conversion of the native, non-Muslim populations. This has been going on for 1400 years and nothing has changed.
It's simply not accurate to say that ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Haram and the hundreds of other terrorist groups across the world have nothing to do with Islam. We should not accept broad statements that absolve Islam of all responsibility for the violence committed in its name.
By all means, let's stand up for the rights of our Muslim neighbors in the U.S., who should not have the rug pulled out from under them after having obtained legal permission to enter and live in the U.S. in peace and dignity. But let's make it a point to direct our most forceful activism toward the true religious persecution in the world -- in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, UAE, etc.
Let's not put the "persecutor" label on the Americans or Europeans trying to put up a shield against Islamic extremism. Islam was spread by the sword, by invasion of foreign lands, followed by violent intolerance toward and forced conversion of the native, non-Muslim populations. This has been going on for 1400 years and nothing has changed.
It's simply not accurate to say that ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Haram and the hundreds of other terrorist groups across the world have nothing to do with Islam. We should not accept broad statements that absolve Islam of all responsibility for the violence committed in its name.
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And the dog ate my homework.
The countries he LEFT OFF the list is pretty telling. I wouldn't have supported including Saudi Arabia in such a restriction either, but the fact he left them off the list kills the whole logic behind this decision.
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Talk about obfuscation. People who have visas and green cards are LEGAL immigrants who have been vetted. The fact that he tried to ban legal residents from specific countries and faiths is discriminatory. And outrageous.
Hurray for the ACLU and the attorneys who donated their time to help those victims of persecution.
Hurray for the ACLU and the attorneys who donated their time to help those victims of persecution.
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We want to fight terrorists but turn away refugees and immigrants from war torn countries!? We want to protect Americans but do NOTHING to address endless mass shootings of Americans at the hand of Americans!? We can't even discuss gun control because we might tread on gun advocates rights so I guess the carnage will continue. I'm disgusted by the actions of this administration! I'm disgusted by those that masquerade as patriots to deflect their cowardice and contempt for anything and anyone beyond their limited view of the world. To those that support this ban, to quote The Patriot, "Your sense of freedom is as pale as your skin."
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A great evil this way comes.
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I keep seeing photographs of the elderly, some in wheelchairs, and mothers carrying babies. But for the past several years I've read that most immigrants from Syria are young single men...is this true?
My thought on this...it has ALWAYS been the young men that come first...look at the Irish. The men arrive first, find work and a place to live, then send for their families.
How is this different?
My thought on this...it has ALWAYS been the young men that come first...look at the Irish. The men arrive first, find work and a place to live, then send for their families.
How is this different?
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There are also a great many people who favor sharply curtailed travel, immigration - and especially acceptance of refugees (although not just from "muslim countries"). There really should be some balanced coverage about this nuanced and fairly broad-spectrum support - not just the opposition, which is fairly predictable.
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If Trump says it is not religious ban, then it means nothing but exactlly, very extreme kind of mearciless fascist behavior ..oppressing particular ethinic people according to the racial lines. I cannot imagine why all the liberal US media are deceived and blindly repeating such meaningless words??
Don't be hoodwinked by this sly dog Trump. He chose those countries to deny US entrance and to snarl immigration because these are the countries that are competitors to Saudi Arabia. Trump needs to pay Putin back so desperately, he is now using immigration and deportation as a means to help Russia make greater oil profits.
Notice how he didn't include Yemen? Or Pakistan? Pakistan? Who hid bin Laden? Yemen who has provided arms to al Qaeda and recently ISIS?
This is not about protecting the US citizens at all. If it was, how did the moron in chief miss that 1 of the 9/11 Terrorists was an Egyptian and 2 more were Saudis?
The more telling issue is what Trump said in his tweet on Sunday. He said he and Putin (who hacked into our election) "discussed how to stop cyber attacks." He plans to now label any dissent on social media or in the general online media "cyber attacks" to give himself an excuse to take control of US computer systems and by association the rest of the country and the world.
This lunatic has to be removed. We are as close now to Nazi Germany as it can get. Muslims today, Jews tomorrow, Catholics next..and Pence sitting there on his Corn Pone butt grinning ear to ear at his MASS conversion to his so called "Christianity."
Notice how he didn't include Yemen? Or Pakistan? Pakistan? Who hid bin Laden? Yemen who has provided arms to al Qaeda and recently ISIS?
This is not about protecting the US citizens at all. If it was, how did the moron in chief miss that 1 of the 9/11 Terrorists was an Egyptian and 2 more were Saudis?
The more telling issue is what Trump said in his tweet on Sunday. He said he and Putin (who hacked into our election) "discussed how to stop cyber attacks." He plans to now label any dissent on social media or in the general online media "cyber attacks" to give himself an excuse to take control of US computer systems and by association the rest of the country and the world.
This lunatic has to be removed. We are as close now to Nazi Germany as it can get. Muslims today, Jews tomorrow, Catholics next..and Pence sitting there on his Corn Pone butt grinning ear to ear at his MASS conversion to his so called "Christianity."
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The man incessantly blamed terrorism on Islam, then with stupendous chutzpah thinks he can turn around and say "It's not about religion" and have the country believe him.
Why doesn't the president do what he loves most—appear on TV—and speak to the nation about this controversy?
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In the normal course of things, people who are given police powers go too far in using them. Why? Partly, it is just human nature. When you give someone power over others, they use it to their own satisfaction, not necessarily in exact correlation to the law. Plus, less criticism of they are tough.
The great problem with "discretion" is that it often abused. It can depend on how that person is feeling that day, whether someone else seeking entry gave them a hard time or whether their boss yelled at them. Or, maybe they are just a mean person trying to get back at the world.
I was crossing the border from Mexico once near San Diego (or it might have been near Tucson, not sure) when the border control agent screamed at a Mexican trying to cross in one of the loudest, insulting screams I've ever heard. Perhaps the guy crossing was a little too fast in thinking he could proceed, but visitors to our country should never be treated worse than stray dogs. The agent was using his discretion and there was no one else there to tell him to calm down and act civil.
By the way, in regard to Canada, Americans are NOT free to go there and live at will. Working in Canada generally requires special permission and retiring there is not an option for many people. One guy I know likes it up north, but he has to come back to the states from time to time because he doesn't have residency status and the Canadians generally don't like people taking advantage of their health care programs.
The great problem with "discretion" is that it often abused. It can depend on how that person is feeling that day, whether someone else seeking entry gave them a hard time or whether their boss yelled at them. Or, maybe they are just a mean person trying to get back at the world.
I was crossing the border from Mexico once near San Diego (or it might have been near Tucson, not sure) when the border control agent screamed at a Mexican trying to cross in one of the loudest, insulting screams I've ever heard. Perhaps the guy crossing was a little too fast in thinking he could proceed, but visitors to our country should never be treated worse than stray dogs. The agent was using his discretion and there was no one else there to tell him to calm down and act civil.
By the way, in regard to Canada, Americans are NOT free to go there and live at will. Working in Canada generally requires special permission and retiring there is not an option for many people. One guy I know likes it up north, but he has to come back to the states from time to time because he doesn't have residency status and the Canadians generally don't like people taking advantage of their health care programs.
People are pointing out that Trump is targeting nations that have little history of producing terrorists that have attacked the U.S., while taking no account of those that have. But is that new? What sanctions did Bush and Obama impose on Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the UAE for giving us the 9/11 terrorists? There's a history of economic interests with those countries that predates Trump and informs U.S. policy. Trump's actions aren't just ineffective and counter-productive, it scores political points with his supporters while costing little. Like most things in life it boils down to money.
Trump declares chaos at airports was caused by glitch in Delta computer system. As Reagan would say "THERE YOU GO AGAIN" blaming others.
The Republican controlled Congress needs to, without delay, put in place a new rule defining exactly the precise number of lies a president can utter before being impeached or accept guilt for all the havoc wrought under this mentally deficient, poorly educated REPUBLICAN president who would remind me of Peter Sellers if the situation weren't so serious.
The Republican controlled Congress needs to, without delay, put in place a new rule defining exactly the precise number of lies a president can utter before being impeached or accept guilt for all the havoc wrought under this mentally deficient, poorly educated REPUBLICAN president who would remind me of Peter Sellers if the situation weren't so serious.
The press has been "hyperventilating" ever since November 9 last year. The NYT runs an average of about 10 hyperventilating anti-Trump articles and editorials every day predictiing all the bad things they think will happen in the next 4 years because their own favorite, Mrs. Clinton - the best qualified candidate in the history of earth - no hype in that at all! - didn't win. And she's actually the one that started all the hyperventilating when she said before the election that she was the last thing standing between us and the "apocalypse." And there has been nothing but apocalyptic predictions by the press even since. Nothing "apocalyptic" has happened, of course, but all the chicken littles, as evidenced by the many hysterical comments in here, really do think the sky is falling. It's not, but whether we like it, or not, we're clearly at war against Islamic extremists, many of whom hail from these very countries.
We have a right to defend ourselves, and many Europeans wish their own governments had taken similar action several years ago - before their own countries, and Europe itself, became destabilized. Have compassion for refugees, but this situation is not analogous to WWII. Send money to help the refugees in their own countries. Be a volunteer and go there to help them. Put your compassion into action. But there is no need for us to play into the hands of ISIS by importing terrorists posing as refugees, destabilizing this country, too.
We have a right to defend ourselves, and many Europeans wish their own governments had taken similar action several years ago - before their own countries, and Europe itself, became destabilized. Have compassion for refugees, but this situation is not analogous to WWII. Send money to help the refugees in their own countries. Be a volunteer and go there to help them. Put your compassion into action. But there is no need for us to play into the hands of ISIS by importing terrorists posing as refugees, destabilizing this country, too.
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In the meantime, Trump appoints Steve Bannon to the National Security Council. A political appointee with no national security background and a connection to the alt-right. Scary!
NYT: Please follow this story carefully. There is something happening that needs to be exposed to the light of day.
NYT: Please follow this story carefully. There is something happening that needs to be exposed to the light of day.
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a time like no other in this country
we will get ready of this ogre and his minions
whether peacefully or with lives sacrificed is unknown
the voices of the people are crying
the American revolution shall follow in action
heeding Lincoln's call at Gettysburg that this nation
"...shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
we will get ready of this ogre and his minions
whether peacefully or with lives sacrificed is unknown
the voices of the people are crying
the American revolution shall follow in action
heeding Lincoln's call at Gettysburg that this nation
"...shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
In his first ten days, President Trump has shown quite clearly that his plan to undermine all of our nation's finest qualities is off to a rousing start. America's finest ideals are being dismantled by a tyrannical bully with no respect for the law, our traditions, our citizens, or the world we all share. This egocentric, unprepared, undisciplined, and unhinged behavior cannot be allowed to continue. Please! We must get our act together and run this man out of office.
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And what does Trump right hand man Jared Kushner have to say about a ban on Muslims from war torn countries, announced on Holocaust Remembrance Day?
The 9/11 attacks killed 3,000 people on US soil and none of the kihackers came from countries banned by Trump. Trump exempted those countries.
Jared? Ivanka? What does an observant Orthodox Jewish couple have to say about this? How will you explain it to your children? "Yes, grandpa banned Muslim people from war-torn countries but exempted the countries which actually sent terrorists to the US to kill 3,000 people. And yes, grandpa has not disavowed white nationalists and neo nazis and in fact has put some of them in positions of great power in our country."
The 9/11 attacks killed 3,000 people on US soil and none of the kihackers came from countries banned by Trump. Trump exempted those countries.
Jared? Ivanka? What does an observant Orthodox Jewish couple have to say about this? How will you explain it to your children? "Yes, grandpa banned Muslim people from war-torn countries but exempted the countries which actually sent terrorists to the US to kill 3,000 people. And yes, grandpa has not disavowed white nationalists and neo nazis and in fact has put some of them in positions of great power in our country."
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8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
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I do not question his powers... I question his judgement and his sanity... If you don't, I question your's too...
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all these countries have collapsed governments. they're the ones the most refugees are coming from. that's why trump is picking on them: they're most of the volume.
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Not about religion? Well, it's certainly not about either intelligence or competence.
Simple ... If you don't have a valid passport ... don't travel this way, at this time.
It's all very trumpy
It's all very trumpy
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"...the recalibration did little to reassure critics at home or abroad who saw the president’s order as a retreat from traditional American values. "
That's like saying "I believe it's an American value for everyone to drive a Ford." In fact, no such value exists, and saying we "believe" it does makes it no less untrue. There's NEVER been a tradition of allowing everyone in, no questions asked, much less from danger zones or countries we were at war with. The value simply doesn't exist. If it did, people would have complained when Obama banned Iraqi refugees from entering the country in 2011. Clearly this is just about partisanship and nothing more.
That's like saying "I believe it's an American value for everyone to drive a Ford." In fact, no such value exists, and saying we "believe" it does makes it no less untrue. There's NEVER been a tradition of allowing everyone in, no questions asked, much less from danger zones or countries we were at war with. The value simply doesn't exist. If it did, people would have complained when Obama banned Iraqi refugees from entering the country in 2011. Clearly this is just about partisanship and nothing more.
This is as un-American as you can get. AND of course this is a religious test. Christians getting priority over Muslims. GD Trump is hateful moron. I hope he fails massively because the US needs a drastic change of direction.
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This is what happens when you have rank amateurs with no knowledge of reality and only "alternative facts." It is like flying blind.
If you have a serious medical condition, would you go to a guy who claims that his "great" qualification to be a physician is that he saw an Advil commercial on TV one day?
If you have a serious medical condition, would you go to a guy who claims that his "great" qualification to be a physician is that he saw an Advil commercial on TV one day?
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Just wake me up when we get to the part where he tells the court martial how he figured out who stole the strawberries.
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When the latte sipping crowd like the CEO of Starbucks, along with the bailout kings like the CEO of Goldman-Sachs, are upset with an executive order because it is disruptive, this cannot be a bad thing. These CEOs and latte crowd do not speak out against the loss of middle-class American jobs and wealth due to their own unethical activities such as Blankfein and Goldman-Sachs during housing crisis. Yet they have ethical problems with executive orders designed to better screen refugees to target the 7 countries that Obama's admin identified as most likely harbors for terrorists. Sad!
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Trump's opinions are black and white, yet the world is made up of shades in between. Just curious... What is your educational level?
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On the headline photo of a glassy-eyed Trump and a dazed and confused Priebus:
An empty desk is a sign of an empty mind.
An empty desk is a sign of an empty mind.
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Here's an idea for some young entrepreneur hoping to start a business. Manufacturer pins and T-shirts for Americans traveling overseas. The pins and T-shirts should read: Don't Blame Me.
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It may not be about religion to Donald, but it sure is to Mike Pence, and quite probably Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, and many others among Donald's ill-advisors as well.
And who really thinks Little Donald is the one making these decisions?
And who really thinks Little Donald is the one making these decisions?
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If our leadership has forgotten what type of government we have in this country, they are about to be reminded. To quote Larry Diamond from Stanford Univ, with emphasis on the word "consent":
- Democracy is a means for the people to choose their leaders and to hold their leaders accountable for their policies and their conduct in office.
- Government is based on the consent of the governed.
- In a democracy, the people are sovereign—they are the highest form of political authority.
- Democracy is a means for the people to choose their leaders and to hold their leaders accountable for their policies and their conduct in office.
- Government is based on the consent of the governed.
- In a democracy, the people are sovereign—they are the highest form of political authority.
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Dick Cheney was the actual President in the George W. Bush administration.
Under Trump it is Steve Bannon.
Under Trump it is Steve Bannon.
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Would the Times please do a story on how other countries screen refugees? In particular, I'd like to know how Israel, Russia, and Australia screen and admit them.
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This "chaos" is being created by the media. People should read the full text of the Executive Order to better understand what it does and doesn't say. The problem isn't so much the order, but the fact that it was effective immediately and without a sense of "how to" for agencies involved.
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I urge President Trump to build the world’s greatest hotel in Syria, with Putin, even. Then we can admit Syrian refugees. If they wanted to join ISIS, they’ve sadly had ample opportunity.
Giuliani has said Trump wanted to ban all Muslims. This action just happens to be the “lipstick-on-a-pig” version of dubious legality.
Giuliani has said Trump wanted to ban all Muslims. This action just happens to be the “lipstick-on-a-pig” version of dubious legality.
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Of course this is what happens when the dumbest guy in the room thinks he's the smartest guy in the room...has construction on the White House cee-ment pond started yet?
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For years, President Trump's alt-right (translation - bigoted, hateful) allies have peddled the disgusting trope that Islam is not a religion.
So, of course he says it is not about religion. Because to him, it is not.
So, of course he says it is not about religion. Because to him, it is not.
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Trump has been only 10 days in office. This a complete nightmare. If he is going to govern all 4 years like this, our country will be completely unsustainable and could provoke chaos. He just made problems where there were no problem at all. It looks like he wants to create problems. His slogan America first makes little sense. I think this is the start of a desestabilization of the whole middle east, he will prepare us for a war worse than the Iraq war. He will go for Iran, and many other countries just because they are not our friends. Mr. President: live and let live, please.
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We have seen Trump in action for more than a year now. Does anybody think that if Congress says they won't support what he wants to do, or the court says he can't do it, he will back off? I don't think so. The test on whether or not we still have a democracy will be to see how he reacts to opposition from his own party or the courts; i.e. if they have the guts to do what's right.
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In all the petitions are any directed at Julian Assange?
No, and why not?
Petition and pressure Julian Assange to release EVERYTHING he has on Trump!
An Avaaz petition would get round the world, in minutes you would have millions of International supporters!
Assange has access to the info, he is very resposible for this election result. Hold him to account and demand the transparency he has dined out on and justified his existence with.
Its crazy not to. He has what you need.
No, and why not?
Petition and pressure Julian Assange to release EVERYTHING he has on Trump!
An Avaaz petition would get round the world, in minutes you would have millions of International supporters!
Assange has access to the info, he is very resposible for this election result. Hold him to account and demand the transparency he has dined out on and justified his existence with.
Its crazy not to. He has what you need.
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For a variety of reasons, not the least this latest xenophobic outrage, Trump is manifestly ill-suited to be president of the US. His emotional immaturity, narcissism, and impulsivity make him a dangerous commender in chief.
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I know this is an important issue, but what jumped out at me in the article was the statement by Priebus that they are not willing to be wrong on this issue. This is an issue with absolutely no evidence that immigrants from the named countries are terrorists. Yet, despite a mountain of evidence that human activities are creating devastating climate change, the Trump administration is absolutely willing to be wrong. Wow.
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Now more than ever is time for the authentic Republicans to show respect and dignity, The White House must not cost you your soul, as long you permit these atrocities to continue you are guilty by association, punish the racist and his gang for using national security as front to carry out their agenda of the KKK and white supremacist their true colors came out in just the last few days, and just to name a few instances, They omitted the Jewish people out of the holocaust, bash the Mexicans and hurt their economy, punish the Muslims for their faith making it clear by favoring Christians, inciting terrorist attacks on the USA and Muslims as well, stop this madness.
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Last night on either CNN or MSNBC (we were watching both), they reported that a Syrian with a lawful refugee visa was put on a plane in this country and sent back to Syria. Refoulement is a crime, under International Humanitarian Law, Human Rights Law, and Refugee Law.
Depending on whose authority that act was committed, someone should be answering to this presidential nonsense in criminal court. Article 6 of our Constitution makes the law of nations the "supreme law of the land." All of the relevant treaties are signed and ratified by this country. The President swore to faithfully execute the laws of this country and to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. Has he, or Steve Bannon, or Jared Kushner even read the document he swore to uphold? Or is that, like his PDB and advice from the Joint Chiefs and the DNI, a waste of his childish time?
I really do understand the pain and frustration that led millions of Americans to vote for this man. But in a democracy, you do not have the right to be ignorant. High time they educated themselves and told the rest of us how they intended to get us out of the maelstrom they got us into. This is not how you keep America safe, this is how you bring shame on America.
Depending on whose authority that act was committed, someone should be answering to this presidential nonsense in criminal court. Article 6 of our Constitution makes the law of nations the "supreme law of the land." All of the relevant treaties are signed and ratified by this country. The President swore to faithfully execute the laws of this country and to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. Has he, or Steve Bannon, or Jared Kushner even read the document he swore to uphold? Or is that, like his PDB and advice from the Joint Chiefs and the DNI, a waste of his childish time?
I really do understand the pain and frustration that led millions of Americans to vote for this man. But in a democracy, you do not have the right to be ignorant. High time they educated themselves and told the rest of us how they intended to get us out of the maelstrom they got us into. This is not how you keep America safe, this is how you bring shame on America.
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The NY Times, this comment board, and in general the whole Progressive ideal of concocting unity from diversity, of Balkanizing America with identity politics, is what made Trump possible, perhaps even necessary.
All the protests and caterwauling won't change a thing. You live by identity politics, you die by identity politics. Ever how far the pendulum swings one way, it swings back just as far.
The only way out of this mess is for the US government to gain control of its borders; for the US government to quit pretending its anything other than Islamic fundamentalism/fanaticism that poses a serious domestic terrorist threat from abroad; for the US government to quit pretending it seeks anything other than exploitation in favoring immigrants over its own citizens--in short, for the US government to become a government of, by and for its own people.
In his ham-fisted way, Trump has begun the process of returning the government to its own people. It was inevitable that one day some President would be elected to do just that. Trump is a flawed vehicle for its expression, but the choice could have been a lot worse.
All the protests and caterwauling won't change a thing. You live by identity politics, you die by identity politics. Ever how far the pendulum swings one way, it swings back just as far.
The only way out of this mess is for the US government to gain control of its borders; for the US government to quit pretending its anything other than Islamic fundamentalism/fanaticism that poses a serious domestic terrorist threat from abroad; for the US government to quit pretending it seeks anything other than exploitation in favoring immigrants over its own citizens--in short, for the US government to become a government of, by and for its own people.
In his ham-fisted way, Trump has begun the process of returning the government to its own people. It was inevitable that one day some President would be elected to do just that. Trump is a flawed vehicle for its expression, but the choice could have been a lot worse.
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I can't think of anyone who actually benefits from chaos. The reliability of the legal system (which includes immigration enforcement) is one of the major assets of the U.S. for all of us, including investors and businesses. So we can argue about legislative changes to immigration policy. We have been arguing about that for more than 100 years. However, adopting unclear policies by fiat on the fly that impose particular burdens on people who have already been given clearance to live here or enter -- that makes us an unreliable partner for other countries. If somehow you think you are immune when people start crossing us off the list of places that are desirable to visit and do business in, then you are deluding yourself.
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For eight years, Obama did nothing to protect the people of this country. To the contrary. And for those eight years the threats of terrorism--like new tactics such as driving trucks into crowds--have gotten more pronounced. And now the left is freaking out because Trump is doing something about it.
His actions wouldn't have had to be so drastic if Obama had dealt with the problem in more measured ways, but Obama wouldn't even admit there was a problem.
So now we have chaos.
Thanks, Obama.
His actions wouldn't have had to be so drastic if Obama had dealt with the problem in more measured ways, but Obama wouldn't even admit there was a problem.
So now we have chaos.
Thanks, Obama.
Please name the acts of terror commited in the US by people from the banned countries. I'll give you a hint. There haven't been any.
Cheers!
Cheers!
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“That’s why our administration has moved to aggressively secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens,” Bill Clinton, State of the Union address 1995. When Clinton made this comment before both houses of Congress he got a standing ovation. Some of those standing are still in Congress booing Trump. Hmmm.....
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Trump says this is not about religion. Who does he think we are? Of course it's about religion - he has said so many times. However, we are focusing on the wrong things. This is not about an executive order on travel, it's about Trump. We have to come to grips with reality that the government has been taken over by the radical right and is in the process of becoming an autocracy. To say it in simple terms, there has been a coup d'état and Trump is installing himself as dictator. Our discussions should be on what we plan to do about it.
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There are always the "give him a chance" comments.
If your child was sticking a metal object in a light socket or about to put his hand on a hot burner would you also "give him a chance" or would you try to stop him for the potential harm that would follow. While I believe that there are many things for which people could give Trump a chance (after all, as he says, "I won") but if you see something that could be actually harmful you have a right and obligation to speak up and try to affect the outcome.
If your child was sticking a metal object in a light socket or about to put his hand on a hot burner would you also "give him a chance" or would you try to stop him for the potential harm that would follow. While I believe that there are many things for which people could give Trump a chance (after all, as he says, "I won") but if you see something that could be actually harmful you have a right and obligation to speak up and try to affect the outcome.
saudis should be on that list way before 2000,
back when Bill was preoccupied with chasing Monica
around the oval table.
back when Bill was preoccupied with chasing Monica
around the oval table.
POTUS says this is not about religion-how come Middle Eastern Christians receive preferential treatment?
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Let's say the order is legal (questionable, but let's give the benefit of the doubt). There is still absolutely no excuse for signing an order without a legal review. There's no justification for not providing communication and training to the people on the ground who are responsible for carrying it out. It is unforgivable that airports, state and local officials were not given warning or guidance. In short, it was amateur hour in the white house and flat out incompetence across the board. THAT is reason enough to be enraged. The worldwide chaos is reason enough to be enraged. AND THAT IS IF THE ORDER IS LEGAL.
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The New York Times is biased - But now that OBAMA is gone (or is he?), the NYT still does not report the news as it is.
There is NOTHING wrong with exercising this country's being very careful about who they allow to live in this country -- we live in a different world - ISIS has spoken -- they will use migration to foreign countries as a means to destroy! Yet, the NYT and the main stream media have their heads up their rear ends! They want Americans to be killed by a terrorists.
There is NOTHING wrong with exercising this country's being very careful about who they allow to live in this country -- we live in a different world - ISIS has spoken -- they will use migration to foreign countries as a means to destroy! Yet, the NYT and the main stream media have their heads up their rear ends! They want Americans to be killed by a terrorists.
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What is congress and the senate doing about this? Why are they so quite?
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If you want to keep our country safe crack down on the epidemic of gun violence by limiting access to guns, crack down on hate crimes by going after white supremacists and right wing hate groups, give enough money to NIH and CDC and EPA and DOE to allow them to protect citizens properly.
Or just keep on being stupid. Your choice.
Or just keep on being stupid. Your choice.
If Trumpty Dumpty's directive to close the U.S. to refugees and people from certain predominantly Muslim countries is "not about religion," what IS it about: Trump Paranoia?
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The Koch Brothers rep took the words out of my mouth - “The travel ban is the wrong approach and will likely be counterproductive.”
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In no way do I agree with this absurd ban. But I also want to add, as a visa holder, I know that only US citizens are guaranteed entry into the US unlike visa and green card holders where the entry is upon CBP discretion. There have been many cases prior to the ban where visa and green card holders were denied entry at CBP.
I will take a chance and say here that instead of being a Massive Success as Mr. Trump's minions claim, this idiocy, this undemocratic and immoral stance of the Republican President has further diminished the US in the eyes of the world (luckily there remain 2 Republican Senators, Grahame & MaCain who continue to have a moral compass). Instead of a success, Trump and America have been ridiculed and so far soundly defeated by the Americans who do not accept his blanket, and racist policy constructed by Rudy Giuliani (who is so desperate for attention now that he stooped to this, without even considering the consequences for Green Card Holders, not a good flub up for a Lawyer I would say). World Leaders, still worthy of the name Leader(s) have roundly condemned and also taken action against this pathetic knee jerk reaction by someone who has no boundaries, who uses bully tactics, the tactics of the deal, i.e., low brow antics. I laugh that so many think a President who is a "businessman" is qualified, just because of that fact. I would then ask, what else has qualified him to be President? Does he know the meaning of Diplomacy? If we can go on from here, and now we have no idea what policy he will implement...can we last 4 years? What will America's place in the world be by then?
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As an outsider, looking in to the US right now makes me feel sick . The press (NYTimes & CNN most especially) and some disillusioned liberals are undermining a president who is trying to keep them and their loved ones safe. Very pathetic!
can you guys give Mr. Trump a break and let him do what he was elected to do??
can you guys give Mr. Trump a break and let him do what he was elected to do??
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I applaud your comment. Americans have to be killed by terrorists before these liberals and the press shut their mouths.
The confusion and unrest occuring in NYC right now indicates that Americans are extremely confused about who they are as a society. For over forty years we, as a nation, have reformulated our mythology to fit a new narrative. Previously we considered ourselves to be "pioneers", "outcasts from the old world", "fearless trailblazers".
Since the late 1960's we have set our education system our media outlets in motion to rebrand our nation as "A Nation of Immigrants" with the underlying assumption that the entire world desires to "be american"(without abandoning the old world cultural reference points) and, according to Scripture, everyone has a g-d given right to immigrate to the USA.
It should be acknowledged that the so-called "nation of immigrants" is a short forty year phenomenon, 1880-1920, when a giant wave of immigration was encouraged and subsidized, in order to supply manpower to the phenomenal growth of the industrial USA. Nearly 80% of all immigration during these forty years occured thru one point of entry.....Ellis Island.
But the Ellis Island narrative, tells only a narrow picture of what the USA and the Americans are all about. Today, From those immigrants who braved a one-way ticket with a desire to abandon the old ways, and become "american".....Their children and grandchildren take the mantel of leadership in US Congress, on Wall Street, across the country...and with an Ellis Island nterpretation of America....lead the ship of state on to the Rocks.
Since the late 1960's we have set our education system our media outlets in motion to rebrand our nation as "A Nation of Immigrants" with the underlying assumption that the entire world desires to "be american"(without abandoning the old world cultural reference points) and, according to Scripture, everyone has a g-d given right to immigrate to the USA.
It should be acknowledged that the so-called "nation of immigrants" is a short forty year phenomenon, 1880-1920, when a giant wave of immigration was encouraged and subsidized, in order to supply manpower to the phenomenal growth of the industrial USA. Nearly 80% of all immigration during these forty years occured thru one point of entry.....Ellis Island.
But the Ellis Island narrative, tells only a narrow picture of what the USA and the Americans are all about. Today, From those immigrants who braved a one-way ticket with a desire to abandon the old ways, and become "american".....Their children and grandchildren take the mantel of leadership in US Congress, on Wall Street, across the country...and with an Ellis Island nterpretation of America....lead the ship of state on to the Rocks.
How's that plan to let Bannon run everything working out for ya'll? Can we get this Dick Cheney over with faster than that last disaster?
"Keep the oil..."
The Atlantic Charter explicitly demands no reparations or property seizures as the outcome of conquest. No more empire, no Imperialdickheads; self-determination, not colonization. We stuffed that down Churchill's throat if he wanted our blood shed to save theirs. Kiss your Empire goodbye, Winston.
I think the Imperialdickheads are out to make a comeback, and we're JUST the right adversary to stump those chumps.
"Keep the oil..."
The Atlantic Charter explicitly demands no reparations or property seizures as the outcome of conquest. No more empire, no Imperialdickheads; self-determination, not colonization. We stuffed that down Churchill's throat if he wanted our blood shed to save theirs. Kiss your Empire goodbye, Winston.
I think the Imperialdickheads are out to make a comeback, and we're JUST the right adversary to stump those chumps.
While we fight the horrifying ban on refugees and immigrants, Steve Bannon slips into an even more powerful position in this vile administration. No coincidence, I'm convinced. We will need to be fighting on many fronts, because Bannon knows how to strike while people are otherwise occupied. We must stay on top of the Bannon crisis by organizing against his ascension to power. It will be a matter of life and death.
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The reason that these nations were chosen is not because they don't have financial ties to Trump as the lunatic conspiracy theorist commentators on this site and the fake newsters of the NYT are arguing, but for the same reason that your god, Obama, chose these nations for visa waiver restrictions, expanding the list of four to seven as recently as February, 2016. You do have to read down a few paragraphs to get to this fact, although the NYT only quotes Trump regarding this so as to throw doubt on its veracity. But amazingly Trump is not lying this time. Try expanding your news base beyond your left-wing bubble.
Trump has turned a once great America into a Fascist Amerika. Trump has promoted his right-hand Right Wing White Supremacist Steve Bannon, Trump's Goebbels, whose task is to destroy the Free Press, or what's left of it.
Unless credible journalists like those here at The Times and others do their due diligence we are in for a whirlwind of descent not seen since the radically divisive Sixties.
Amerika is a mess all right, since January 20th. The cause for its downfall will be the odious one who illegitimately occupies the Oval Office. Amerika, what are you going to do about your evil leader before it really is too late?
DD
Manhattan
Unless credible journalists like those here at The Times and others do their due diligence we are in for a whirlwind of descent not seen since the radically divisive Sixties.
Amerika is a mess all right, since January 20th. The cause for its downfall will be the odious one who illegitimately occupies the Oval Office. Amerika, what are you going to do about your evil leader before it really is too late?
DD
Manhattan
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How come countries Trump does business with avoided this ban? Can SOMEONE with kahunas start impeachment proceedings please.
So tired of leadership worrying about staying elected with pretty offices than standing up to bullies. Where have all the real leaders gone?
So tired of leadership worrying about staying elected with pretty offices than standing up to bullies. Where have all the real leaders gone?
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This is just what white people do! Enslave Africans, kill native Americans, intern the Japanese, wall off the Mexicans and ban Muslims. Good job on electing this guys white people. At least you're consistent!
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